1 00:00:08,884 --> 00:00:12,124 Rob: Welcome back everyone to Subspace Radio. 2 00:00:12,124 --> 00:00:13,054 It is me, Rob, 3 00:00:13,708 --> 00:00:14,328 Kevin: and me, Kevin. 4 00:00:15,184 --> 00:00:19,324 Rob: And we are here to talk about a new episode of Star Trek that has dropped. 5 00:00:19,324 --> 00:00:25,264 We are here to talk about episode three of Star Trek: Starfleet Academy. 6 00:00:25,454 --> 00:00:28,994 We are going to talk about all the ins and outs of the episode and then 7 00:00:28,994 --> 00:00:34,304 that will springboard us off into deeper topics, related to, uh, said 8 00:00:34,304 --> 00:00:36,634 episode within the Star Trek oeuvre. 9 00:00:36,681 --> 00:00:39,501 Kevin: Specifically this week we're talking about sports. 10 00:00:39,877 --> 00:00:42,817 Rob: We are, we are going not just any sports, 'cause there are 11 00:00:42,817 --> 00:00:46,447 sports that we know now that may have popped up in, but also sports 12 00:00:46,447 --> 00:00:49,237 specifically of the future time. 13 00:00:49,401 --> 00:00:50,151 Kevin: Future sports. 14 00:00:50,151 --> 00:00:50,631 I like it. 15 00:00:50,631 --> 00:00:52,521 Yeah, that does narrow it down a little bit. 16 00:00:52,957 --> 00:00:55,057 Rob: It does narrow it down slightly. 17 00:00:55,057 --> 00:01:00,367 So we're at episode three of Starfleet Academy and I think we can safely say 18 00:01:00,367 --> 00:01:05,077 that this everything, all the sort of like the trepidation or, or the 19 00:01:05,077 --> 00:01:08,407 thoughts about what we were going into with a Starfleet Academy, people going, 20 00:01:08,407 --> 00:01:10,297 oh, it might be a bit high schooly. 21 00:01:10,507 --> 00:01:12,157 It might be about young adult. 22 00:01:12,487 --> 00:01:13,927 This episode is. 23 00:01:14,387 --> 00:01:19,307 All the young adult, all the, it felt like the high school drama 24 00:01:19,307 --> 00:01:22,997 that you kind of were gonna expect doing a Starfleet Academy show. 25 00:01:23,297 --> 00:01:24,647 It was all on display here. 26 00:01:25,056 --> 00:01:25,476 Kevin: Yeah. 27 00:01:25,476 --> 00:01:26,766 And what did you make of that? 28 00:01:26,766 --> 00:01:28,626 Was that, uh, for the worse for you? 29 00:01:29,122 --> 00:01:30,982 Rob: Look, it was, it was all right. 30 00:01:31,012 --> 00:01:31,822 It was all right. 31 00:01:31,827 --> 00:01:36,022 I, I, I liked the balance last week of the, the Starfleet diplomacy 32 00:01:36,022 --> 00:01:38,842 with the, the, the teenage stuff. 33 00:01:38,872 --> 00:01:43,812 It felt a little bit sort of like, you know, um, Buffy the Vampire Slayer lite. 34 00:01:43,827 --> 00:01:47,812 And I was a huge, I was a huge Buffy fan in back in the day. 35 00:01:47,962 --> 00:01:49,492 Um, and so. 36 00:01:49,897 --> 00:01:50,227 Yeah. 37 00:01:50,677 --> 00:01:55,447 Uh, you could see what they were going for and it didn't annoy me as 38 00:01:55,447 --> 00:01:57,877 much as it, uh, as, as it could have. 39 00:01:57,877 --> 00:01:58,507 How about you? 40 00:01:58,836 --> 00:02:00,636 Kevin: Yeah, it's well executed. 41 00:02:00,726 --> 00:02:04,296 Like I, I think you're right that this was the one I was like, oh yeah, this 42 00:02:04,296 --> 00:02:05,706 is what I thought it was gonna be. 43 00:02:05,736 --> 00:02:09,336 But, uh, it's done well and so I, I enjoyed it. 44 00:02:09,786 --> 00:02:10,476 There was certainly. 45 00:02:10,896 --> 00:02:16,116 Like for, for what might be described as a bottle episode where the stakes were 46 00:02:16,116 --> 00:02:21,966 low and they didn't really go anywhere, um, it was nevertheless very polished. 47 00:02:21,966 --> 00:02:25,446 Like the amount of phaser shots and transporter effects that 48 00:02:25,446 --> 00:02:27,216 they had to do for this episode. 49 00:02:27,786 --> 00:02:33,726 Uh, let alone the, the pyrotechnics of the, um, the trial field, uh, 50 00:02:34,552 --> 00:02:37,012 Rob: Yes, it was very, it was very danger room. 51 00:02:37,012 --> 00:02:39,652 If anyone is a a a an X-Men fan. 52 00:02:40,926 --> 00:02:45,216 Kevin: Um, yeah, so like I feel like the, the production value is still very high 53 00:02:45,216 --> 00:02:47,496 and the, the acting was still very good. 54 00:02:47,496 --> 00:02:51,576 I still love all the characters and we got to see more of them here. 55 00:02:51,576 --> 00:02:52,116 We got to. 56 00:02:52,831 --> 00:02:59,311 See that Genesis has a few cracks, like she's got some, um, daddy issues as, as 57 00:02:59,311 --> 00:03:01,981 it was called in the, uh, in the episode. 58 00:03:02,011 --> 00:03:07,171 And, uh, nice to see Reymi as well, brought down a peg as he, he very 59 00:03:07,171 --> 00:03:09,301 much, uh, clearly needed to be. 60 00:03:09,404 --> 00:03:14,130 Rob: And not surprisingly, he has his own mommy and daddy issues coming out as well. 61 00:03:14,130 --> 00:03:15,510 We had some, yeah. 62 00:03:16,410 --> 00:03:21,270 And we had some, um, uh, reveals of some romances within the staff. 63 00:03:21,974 --> 00:03:23,114 Kevin: Yes, indeed. 64 00:03:23,114 --> 00:03:23,294 Yeah. 65 00:03:23,294 --> 00:03:24,374 Very satisfying. 66 00:03:25,094 --> 00:03:29,474 Uh, everyone's favorite nerd jock, hybrid, uh, explained what brought 67 00:03:29,474 --> 00:03:32,849 them back from Discovery, and that's, uh, really good to see. 68 00:03:33,530 --> 00:03:34,500 Rob: And makes a sense. 69 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:40,110 Nerd Jock Hybrid is with a, you know, Jem'Hadar, um, Klingon 70 00:03:40,110 --> 00:03:42,840 hybrid and they want to eat French. 71 00:03:45,284 --> 00:03:49,764 Kevin: I want coq au vin. 72 00:03:50,190 --> 00:03:54,630 Rob: Um, she did have one of the best lines I have ever heard in Star Trek ever. 73 00:03:54,690 --> 00:03:59,550 And for, for a Comedy Star Trek line to outdo, uh, Lower 74 00:03:59,550 --> 00:04:00,900 Decks, I'm very impressed. 75 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:02,460 And they should tip their hat, you know? 76 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,730 Kevin: They have shennaned and they will shennan again! 77 00:04:06,016 --> 00:04:07,186 Rob: That's right. 78 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,810 And, um, I particularly like the fact they are the best and the brightest, 79 00:04:10,810 --> 00:04:14,590 but they are still kids and they will act like kids and the kids are idiots. 80 00:04:14,650 --> 00:04:18,580 Um, that, that's, that's my official word as a, as a high school drama teacher. 81 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:25,280 But also the fact that Ake had to explain subtly to the point of not 82 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:28,820 subtly about this is what you need to do. 83 00:04:29,119 --> 00:04:29,809 Kevin: Yeah. 84 00:04:29,899 --> 00:04:33,529 If there's anything about this episode that didn't fully work for me, it 85 00:04:33,529 --> 00:04:41,604 was that, that thing of, supposedly, Ake was like pointing the way to, uh, 86 00:04:41,604 --> 00:04:45,804 appropriate revenge the whole time, and it was all there to be seen in hindsight. 87 00:04:45,804 --> 00:04:50,694 I watched this episode twice and it's, it's kind of there if you wanna tell 88 00:04:50,694 --> 00:04:55,544 yourself it's there, but like that thing of, oh, Ake was, was the mastermind 89 00:04:55,544 --> 00:04:59,414 the whole time is not as satisfying as it should be because it doesn't 90 00:04:59,414 --> 00:05:01,814 quite feel really, really on the page. 91 00:05:02,414 --> 00:05:08,114 Uh, but yeah, that, that moment where she goes, uh, she goes, Kelrec and his 92 00:05:08,374 --> 00:05:12,644 tea loving eye, or whatever it was, and she just does the, does the, uh, 93 00:05:13,625 --> 00:05:14,405 Rob: a physicality, 94 00:05:14,514 --> 00:05:17,564 Kevin: Mad-eye Moody pose is what I, I thought of it as, 95 00:05:18,605 --> 00:05:21,965 Rob: There's a bit of a hump as well at point where she's doing like a, 96 00:05:22,265 --> 00:05:23,750 they're going, what do you doing? 97 00:05:24,004 --> 00:05:24,844 Kevin: That's what, yeah. 98 00:05:25,084 --> 00:05:28,924 Literally we're sitting on, we, we looked at each other on the couch and went, What? 99 00:05:30,509 --> 00:05:32,284 What was that supposed to be? 100 00:05:32,884 --> 00:05:34,774 Uh, and in hindsight, it makes sense. 101 00:05:34,894 --> 00:05:35,824 Uh, yeah. 102 00:05:36,034 --> 00:05:37,864 Uh, yeah. 103 00:05:37,984 --> 00:05:40,614 Uh, otherwise enjoyed this episode for what it was. 104 00:05:41,699 --> 00:05:43,259 Lots of, lots of phaser fights. 105 00:05:43,259 --> 00:05:48,329 Uh, a new, a new Star Trek Sport introduced in Calica and yeah, 106 00:05:48,329 --> 00:05:49,679 lots of, hi, lots of hijinks. 107 00:05:49,709 --> 00:05:51,159 Uh, Mugatu! 108 00:05:51,179 --> 00:05:51,719 Yeah. 109 00:05:51,719 --> 00:05:52,251 Awesome. 110 00:05:54,665 --> 00:05:55,925 No way I'm wearing that. 111 00:05:55,925 --> 00:05:57,885 Smash cut to Mu-ga-tu! 112 00:05:57,885 --> 00:05:58,835 High five. 113 00:05:58,835 --> 00:06:00,395 You know, really good. 114 00:06:01,106 --> 00:06:05,036 Rob: And there was some sort of reference about doing something to the horn. 115 00:06:05,306 --> 00:06:05,546 Anyway. 116 00:06:07,406 --> 00:06:13,076 Um, yeah, the, that when you ever see an, when you ever see an invented sport 117 00:06:13,076 --> 00:06:18,116 in fiction, whether it be Quidditch or whether it be here, um, trying to get 118 00:06:18,116 --> 00:06:23,051 a grip of the rules and so you're there going, alright, okay, so they're, they've 119 00:06:23,051 --> 00:06:27,251 got, it's almost like claim, claim the flag, but it's, you know, hit the mascot. 120 00:06:27,611 --> 00:06:31,181 Um, and they're using phasers and the phasers teleport and you go in the 121 00:06:31,181 --> 00:06:35,141 penalty box and there's certain rounds, so it's a little bit dodgeball as well. 122 00:06:35,471 --> 00:06:41,441 Um, but it's always the case of going to why are they in mascot costumes? 123 00:06:41,891 --> 00:06:42,521 Is that how they 124 00:06:42,730 --> 00:06:46,390 Kevin: There's like one line where it has become tradition that 125 00:06:46,390 --> 00:06:48,305 we use the mascots in the game. 126 00:06:49,031 --> 00:06:49,691 Rob: Yes. 127 00:06:49,905 --> 00:06:50,665 Kevin: You're like, okay. 128 00:06:51,371 --> 00:06:51,821 Rob: Okay. 129 00:06:51,971 --> 00:06:56,081 So I guess in if, if they do a World Cup version of it or you know, at the 130 00:06:56,081 --> 00:06:57,491 professional level, it wouldn't be 131 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:01,780 Kevin: A lot can happen in 800 years, Rob, I'm, I'm very forgiving 132 00:07:01,780 --> 00:07:03,820 about using mascots in the sport. 133 00:07:03,820 --> 00:07:05,050 That's okay by me. 134 00:07:05,681 --> 00:07:06,461 Rob: Very true. 135 00:07:06,461 --> 00:07:07,391 Very, very true. 136 00:07:07,391 --> 00:07:10,181 I, I have to be a bit more considerate, but it's always that 137 00:07:10,181 --> 00:07:14,471 case of sports invented by people who probably never played sports before. 138 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,160 Kevin: Yeah. 139 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:15,730 Would it? 140 00:07:15,790 --> 00:07:16,120 Would it? 141 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:16,630 Yes. 142 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,200 Yes. 143 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,110 I think that will be a recurring theme in our conversation 144 00:07:20,110 --> 00:07:21,790 about sports in Star Trek. 145 00:07:22,330 --> 00:07:25,990 The writers of Star Trek are probably not the world's biggest sports fans, 146 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:29,590 but yeah, you have to squint and go, would that be, uh, uh, would 147 00:07:29,590 --> 00:07:31,390 that work as a game in real life? 148 00:07:31,420 --> 00:07:32,320 Probably not. 149 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,970 There's this one shot that on the second viewing, Caleb takes out 150 00:07:36,970 --> 00:07:39,100 one of the war college people. 151 00:07:39,580 --> 00:07:43,240 He disappears, and there are two more crouching right next to where 152 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,280 he was in the same line of fire. 153 00:07:45,370 --> 00:07:47,110 And I'm like, come on, Caleb, keep shooting. 154 00:07:47,290 --> 00:07:48,460 Why wouldn't you keep shooting? 155 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:49,690 You take the other two out. 156 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:50,270 Nope. 157 00:07:50,740 --> 00:07:55,630 Uh, so yeah, it, it is definitely a, uh, made for TV sport that probably 158 00:07:55,630 --> 00:07:57,370 doesn't hold up under close scrutiny. 159 00:07:57,941 --> 00:07:58,511 Rob: Yes, yes. 160 00:07:58,511 --> 00:08:02,231 A lot of rules have changed in the 800 years, uh, Kevin. 161 00:08:02,501 --> 00:08:06,101 Um, but I like the, like simple stuff, like within the reality we set it up and 162 00:08:06,101 --> 00:08:08,291 so then they set up like having a sniper. 163 00:08:08,741 --> 00:08:09,941 I'm that's really clever idea. 164 00:08:09,941 --> 00:08:11,261 But they only use it once. 165 00:08:11,531 --> 00:08:15,491 Um, otherwise yeah, 'cause they're going well, that would kind of defeat the game. 166 00:08:15,491 --> 00:08:17,561 'Cause if you had sniper every single time. 167 00:08:17,921 --> 00:08:19,451 Um, but all the. 168 00:08:20,141 --> 00:08:23,891 All the traits that you would find in a teen drama or a 169 00:08:23,891 --> 00:08:25,661 high school drama were there. 170 00:08:25,661 --> 00:08:27,941 So it's the two opposing campuses. 171 00:08:28,211 --> 00:08:32,771 You had, the the two opposing deans you had the hazing 172 00:08:32,771 --> 00:08:34,901 rituals with involving mascots. 173 00:08:34,901 --> 00:08:41,171 Like that's been around since, you know, 1950s style, uh, teen dramas. 174 00:08:41,171 --> 00:08:44,021 It was sort of like, oh, you gotta get the mascot from the other campus 175 00:08:44,051 --> 00:08:46,631 and you've gotta do something with, you know, the mascot, there's a 176 00:08:46,631 --> 00:08:50,801 goat or a pig, or in this case, you know, an alien creature with a, with 177 00:08:50,801 --> 00:08:51,881 a horn sticking out of its head. 178 00:08:52,435 --> 00:08:57,625 Kevin: And you had the contest for who would be captain of our little cadet crew? 179 00:08:57,685 --> 00:08:58,645 Um, Reymi or Genesis? 180 00:08:58,841 --> 00:09:00,941 Rob: The love interest on the other campus. 181 00:09:01,450 --> 00:09:01,530 Kevin: Hmm. 182 00:09:02,621 --> 00:09:06,071 Rob: So, yeah, all those traits were they, they, they've sort of 183 00:09:06,071 --> 00:09:08,891 like spread them out a little bit like in the first two episodes and 184 00:09:08,891 --> 00:09:10,571 now they've just gone full episode. 185 00:09:11,321 --> 00:09:11,621 all 186 00:09:11,905 --> 00:09:16,615 Kevin: The fact that all of the, uh, the genre elements are there, makes 187 00:09:16,615 --> 00:09:19,255 this feel maybe a little less original. 188 00:09:19,255 --> 00:09:22,555 It, it's maybe a little pedestrian as plot. 189 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:24,036 Rob: Bit derivative. 190 00:09:24,036 --> 00:09:24,046 Yeah. 191 00:09:24,055 --> 00:09:27,625 Kevin: What, what makes it satisfying is the character work. 192 00:09:27,625 --> 00:09:29,275 Like all the little details. 193 00:09:29,545 --> 00:09:34,975 Having Jay-den stop the War College people with his attempts 194 00:09:34,975 --> 00:09:37,825 at Klingon humor was hilarious. 195 00:09:37,825 --> 00:09:41,030 And that character driven hygiene stuff is what really sells it for me. 196 00:09:41,761 --> 00:09:46,826 Rob: And one of the combat, uh, combat, uh, cadets act going, hear him out. 197 00:09:46,856 --> 00:09:48,386 And I'm there going, bit of a spark. 198 00:09:48,476 --> 00:09:48,806 Yeah. 199 00:09:49,016 --> 00:09:50,276 Kyle, spark there. 200 00:09:50,306 --> 00:09:50,726 Yeah. 201 00:09:50,785 --> 00:09:52,640 Kevin: Everyone loves a Kyle in Star Trek. 202 00:09:53,186 --> 00:09:56,396 Rob: Have you seen the, there's been a bit of video footage online of the actor 203 00:09:56,396 --> 00:10:03,356 who plays, uh, uh, Jay-den, um, showing what his real voice is how, and how 204 00:10:03,356 --> 00:10:08,816 he, he, he dips his voice to that lower octave, and he goes, this is my normal 205 00:10:08,816 --> 00:10:11,246 voice and this is my Klingon voice. 206 00:10:11,276 --> 00:10:12,266 And I've worked on that. 207 00:10:12,266 --> 00:10:14,546 And this is what they, they said, they may touch it up a 208 00:10:14,546 --> 00:10:16,616 little bit, it's pretty much me. 209 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:20,186 And you hear that change, you go, that's good acting, that's actoring stuff. 210 00:10:20,186 --> 00:10:21,056 That's the craft. 211 00:10:21,132 --> 00:10:22,715 Kevin: His voice is very impressive. 212 00:10:22,770 --> 00:10:22,890 The. 213 00:10:23,071 --> 00:10:25,081 Rob: Yes, very impressive. 214 00:10:25,081 --> 00:10:29,371 So, I like the fact, especially in this, um, all the characters 215 00:10:29,371 --> 00:10:34,261 are kind of made fun of, or not held at too much of a high bar. 216 00:10:34,591 --> 00:10:40,588 And so you, everyone is, you know, even like Caleb has been, has been, 217 00:10:40,858 --> 00:10:44,038 had the rug pulled out from under him many times to bring him down, which is 218 00:10:44,038 --> 00:10:45,418 great, but the other characters as well. 219 00:10:45,418 --> 00:10:48,448 So we're, I like that fact that they're not precious about the characters 220 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:52,948 and so we can all see them, um, humbled, which I really appreciate. 221 00:10:53,277 --> 00:10:56,517 Kevin: We got to see a lot more of your Arnold Rimmer lookalike, 222 00:10:56,577 --> 00:10:59,097 uh, Kelrec, this episode as well. 223 00:10:59,127 --> 00:11:02,932 He got, uh, he got face smooshed to steal his DNA. 224 00:11:03,583 --> 00:11:08,113 Rob: He did, he got very, he got, he got embraced in a very traditional, 225 00:11:08,113 --> 00:11:10,843 and I do in, in, in bunny ears way. 226 00:11:11,023 --> 00:11:15,313 Um, he's, yeah, the scene with, um, uh, him and Ake was great. 227 00:11:15,373 --> 00:11:18,673 Just the fact that he's there going, I'm not apologizing and I'm not gonna stop. 228 00:11:18,732 --> 00:11:18,912 Kevin: Yeah. 229 00:11:20,353 --> 00:11:21,703 Rob: Uh, and yeah, the, 230 00:11:21,792 --> 00:11:23,742 Kevin: If you must stir your tea. 231 00:11:25,318 --> 00:11:25,708 Rob: That's right. 232 00:11:25,708 --> 00:11:26,638 He's a tea nerd. 233 00:11:26,998 --> 00:11:27,958 Tea expert. 234 00:11:28,858 --> 00:11:29,998 And like the pranks as well. 235 00:11:29,998 --> 00:11:32,848 That's another thing we didn't talk about like the, I didn't mention the pranks. 236 00:11:32,848 --> 00:11:34,828 That's so high school kids as well. 237 00:11:35,008 --> 00:11:37,828 And we got bird, we got a Romulan flipping the bird. 238 00:11:37,962 --> 00:11:38,472 Kevin: Yeah. 239 00:11:38,755 --> 00:11:43,675 I think back to our past episodes, bemoaning a single F-bomb in, 240 00:11:43,675 --> 00:11:45,205 in an episode of Star Trek. 241 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:46,525 It's all over the place now. 242 00:11:46,525 --> 00:11:48,355 The the horse has truly bolted. 243 00:11:48,926 --> 00:11:53,786 Rob: Yeah, the, the horse is now a wild Brumby out in the highlands 244 00:11:54,356 --> 00:11:57,821 of, of New South Wales, new South Wales, up in the Blue Mountains. 245 00:11:58,570 --> 00:12:03,610 Kevin: Ake laying on the set or, you know, reclining and switching reclined poses 246 00:12:03,610 --> 00:12:08,230 between lines of dialogue is definitely, you know, that was not a one episode 247 00:12:08,230 --> 00:12:10,810 thing that is going to be her character. 248 00:12:11,170 --> 00:12:13,540 And, um, I like how the costume is playing into it. 249 00:12:13,540 --> 00:12:17,110 Like there, the fact that she has bare feet, they have given her like these gold 250 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:22,750 chain half sock things that like cover her, her ankle and half of her foot, but 251 00:12:22,750 --> 00:12:24,495 leave her toesies sticking out in the air. 252 00:12:25,140 --> 00:12:29,190 It's cool like little gold sock thing she's got going on. 253 00:12:29,626 --> 00:12:32,351 Rob: I'll have to pay more attention to Holly Hunter's feet. 254 00:12:32,621 --> 00:12:34,181 I'll have embrace my inner Quentin 255 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:35,190 Kevin: jewelry. 256 00:12:35,771 --> 00:12:36,851 Rob: Foot jewelry. 257 00:12:36,911 --> 00:12:37,481 Excellent. 258 00:12:37,481 --> 00:12:38,141 That's great. 259 00:12:38,471 --> 00:12:40,631 Um, yeah, I'm absolutely loving it. 260 00:12:40,691 --> 00:12:45,251 And um, I know we don't like mentioning the outside world too much, but there's 261 00:12:45,251 --> 00:12:50,951 been so much online negativity about, you know, disrespect for the captain's 262 00:12:50,951 --> 00:12:54,191 role or the rolling around or the feet up and all that type of stuff. 263 00:12:54,191 --> 00:12:57,341 And I'm there going, oh my heavens. 264 00:12:57,371 --> 00:12:58,871 It's just a bit silly. 265 00:12:58,931 --> 00:12:59,951 Um, it's a 266 00:13:00,070 --> 00:13:02,410 Kevin: You must read different websites than I do because I 267 00:13:02,410 --> 00:13:04,000 I have not seen that stuff. 268 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,260 I'm out there. 269 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,810 There's all, any new Star Trek series is bound to, uh, attract some, some 270 00:13:10,810 --> 00:13:12,880 hate with everything new they try, but, 271 00:13:13,046 --> 00:13:17,756 Rob: That's the thing I like, I put a post up just on my personal, uh, Facebook 272 00:13:17,756 --> 00:13:19,646 page and that's kind of open to everyone. 273 00:13:19,946 --> 00:13:23,606 Um, so normally when I, if I do a big post about Doctor Who, 274 00:13:24,236 --> 00:13:27,966 um, I did about like season two, the most recent one Ncuti Gatwa. 275 00:13:28,046 --> 00:13:31,496 And I got people who have never followed me, never seen me, people from all over 276 00:13:31,496 --> 00:13:33,686 the world leaving their negative comments. 277 00:13:33,686 --> 00:13:37,136 And I put up a post with, uh, Holly Hunter with her feet up reading the 278 00:13:37,136 --> 00:13:39,926 book, I love, and the glasses and. 279 00:13:40,301 --> 00:13:43,601 The amount of love I've been getting has been great, which I didn't expect. 280 00:13:43,601 --> 00:13:46,271 I didn't put up for anything other than I just wanted to talk about how 281 00:13:46,271 --> 00:13:49,841 I love the show and promote Subspace Radio, but then I'm getting messages 282 00:13:49,841 --> 00:13:53,711 from all around the world of people going, oh, it's disrespecting. 283 00:13:53,711 --> 00:13:57,251 I'm going, yeah, it, I, I, I'm being trolled. 284 00:13:57,256 --> 00:13:59,261 I I have been trolled Kevin Yank. 285 00:13:59,771 --> 00:14:04,481 Uh, uh, but yes, the positivity and the negativity is a bit balanced, 286 00:14:04,481 --> 00:14:07,931 but the people who are embracing it, uh, it's silly thoughts, 287 00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:09,431 which is silly, silly, silly. 288 00:14:09,820 --> 00:14:13,960 Kevin: Uh, well, speaking of silly things, what did you think of our digital dean? 289 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,690 This episode, Colbert was everywhere. 290 00:14:16,936 --> 00:14:19,931 Rob: He was, he was, there was, he was dropping gags everywhere. 291 00:14:20,021 --> 00:14:20,201 All 292 00:14:20,215 --> 00:14:23,815 Kevin: I, I am, I am struggling to understand the function of 293 00:14:23,815 --> 00:14:27,355 the Digital Dean, because he is not the only computer voice. 294 00:14:28,285 --> 00:14:33,115 Uh, so the, so he's not just the computer voice of Starfleet Academy, and yet 295 00:14:33,115 --> 00:14:38,365 he's calling scores on simulations to decide who's gonna be on the Calica team. 296 00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:42,310 And so he kind of is the generic computer voice. 297 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,500 I don't know if use him when he is funny. 298 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,400 He was using the ad, the ad that they were screening at the start 299 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,520 that got cut up with, uh, other footage later in the episode. 300 00:14:51,580 --> 00:14:55,480 But, uh, oh, my favorite, my favorite line of this episode was when Ake 301 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,550 went, Is the voiceover too stupid? 302 00:15:01,991 --> 00:15:03,131 Rob: That was a good line as well. 303 00:15:03,191 --> 00:15:04,001 That was really good. 304 00:15:04,961 --> 00:15:05,921 Um, 305 00:15:05,995 --> 00:15:08,785 Kevin: Oh, and where are my warp core pajamas, Rob? 306 00:15:08,785 --> 00:15:10,735 I need, I need a set of those right away. 307 00:15:11,126 --> 00:15:16,496 Rob: They have, uh, just launched a thousand, uh, online sites of 308 00:15:16,496 --> 00:15:20,996 people doing, cheap immitations until we get the official, uh, starch, 309 00:15:21,206 --> 00:15:24,176 Starfleet released warp core pajamas. 310 00:15:24,266 --> 00:15:26,876 Um, do not accept any substitutes. 311 00:15:27,085 --> 00:15:28,135 Kevin: Are they accordions? 312 00:15:28,165 --> 00:15:29,425 Are they little accordions? 313 00:15:29,716 --> 00:15:30,796 They are warp cores! 314 00:15:31,386 --> 00:15:35,466 Rob: That's, that's, that is the, the clearest sign I have seen of going, 315 00:15:35,496 --> 00:15:36,936 we're gonna be doing merchandise. 316 00:15:37,896 --> 00:15:39,336 If people watch it enough. 317 00:15:39,545 --> 00:15:40,085 Kevin: Yeah. 318 00:15:40,215 --> 00:15:45,390 The other thing worth just touching on is the, the basketball scene and later 319 00:15:45,390 --> 00:15:53,280 the, the confrontation in the Mugato costume of, uh, the Betazoid Princess and, 320 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,340 uh, Caleb, that evolving relationship. 321 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,390 Rob: And she's an Aussie actress as well, I've found, I found out, yes. 322 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,190 And the it, it's like a transparent almost basketball, or maybe it was just 323 00:16:05,190 --> 00:16:06,720 the lighting, but it looked like the ball 324 00:16:06,899 --> 00:16:09,659 Kevin: Yeah, it looked like it was like a web or a, a mesh or 325 00:16:09,659 --> 00:16:12,509 something, you could see more through the middle of it than the sides. 326 00:16:12,509 --> 00:16:13,019 It was interesting. 327 00:16:13,019 --> 00:16:15,329 I kept squinting at it, going, is that a CG ball? 328 00:16:15,329 --> 00:16:16,829 No, they seem to be holding it. 329 00:16:17,115 --> 00:16:17,835 Rob: Yeah. 330 00:16:18,555 --> 00:16:22,155 Um, now that relationship's developing really nicely. 331 00:16:22,155 --> 00:16:26,625 I was worried it would just be, you know, um, they'd be right 332 00:16:26,625 --> 00:16:30,705 into it and sort of like embrace the, the sexy sexiness of it all. 333 00:16:30,705 --> 00:16:31,485 But, um, 334 00:16:31,745 --> 00:16:33,545 Kevin: Look, they got a kiss this episode. 335 00:16:33,792 --> 00:16:34,852 It's moving along. 336 00:16:35,258 --> 00:16:37,688 Rob: Yeah, but it was that case of going, we've only known each other, 337 00:16:37,718 --> 00:16:39,548 you know, you know, five minutes and 338 00:16:39,682 --> 00:16:41,302 Kevin: We are strangers. 339 00:16:41,678 --> 00:16:43,448 Rob: We are strangers. 340 00:16:43,838 --> 00:16:48,128 Um, so yes, coming along nicely, both characters are well represented. 341 00:16:48,128 --> 00:16:53,168 Again, the whole case of they're not, no, there's no perfect idol character. 342 00:16:53,438 --> 00:16:57,068 It's sort of like they're just, you know, sorting their crap out and 343 00:16:57,068 --> 00:16:59,678 they're making mistakes as they go along, which I really appreciate. 344 00:17:00,397 --> 00:17:00,697 Kevin: Yeah. 345 00:17:01,598 --> 00:17:04,868 Rob: Can we talk about, can we talk about hologram logic? 346 00:17:05,432 --> 00:17:05,722 Kevin: Okay. 347 00:17:06,428 --> 00:17:06,938 Rob: Okay. 348 00:17:07,178 --> 00:17:11,948 Um, why does a hologram need to be in their underwear? 349 00:17:14,408 --> 00:17:14,648 And 350 00:17:15,007 --> 00:17:17,287 Kevin: She doesn't have ribs, but she does have underwear. 351 00:17:17,693 --> 00:17:18,203 Rob: Yes. 352 00:17:18,233 --> 00:17:25,163 And why does she need to have a tangible, physical, tactile jacket 353 00:17:25,163 --> 00:17:26,933 at the end when she could just, 354 00:17:27,367 --> 00:17:28,207 Kevin: Oh, interesting. 355 00:17:28,207 --> 00:17:29,497 Yeah, just there's 356 00:17:29,603 --> 00:17:30,533 Rob: Just zip it on? 357 00:17:30,683 --> 00:17:36,053 Yes, it is the whole thing if you do bring in like a character that is a hologram. 358 00:17:36,383 --> 00:17:40,943 Um, they did it really well with, um, the Doctor back in the nineties, and they 359 00:17:40,943 --> 00:17:44,843 did, but they had issues with that, with like Arnold Rimmer in, uh, Red Dwarf. 360 00:17:44,843 --> 00:17:45,143 That's right. 361 00:17:45,368 --> 00:17:47,648 I love the fact that we're bringing in Red Dwarf references 362 00:17:47,648 --> 00:17:50,378 in, in a Star Trek podcast. 363 00:17:50,648 --> 00:17:58,328 But yes, the logic of, uh, and like, uh, being teleported into water and they can 364 00:17:58,328 --> 00:17:59,708 have bubbles come out of their mouth. 365 00:17:59,768 --> 00:18:02,258 I know that's yeah, just the reality of a human, but it's, that's 366 00:18:02,258 --> 00:18:06,308 that of things you need to think about when you have a hologram. 367 00:18:07,207 --> 00:18:07,657 Kevin: Yeah. 368 00:18:07,657 --> 00:18:09,307 I did not notice the bubbles. 369 00:18:09,367 --> 00:18:12,427 They would've bothered me if they were especially noticeable, I think. 370 00:18:12,487 --> 00:18:17,077 But I did like the, she said, I, I had a bath for the first 371 00:18:17,077 --> 00:18:18,157 time, or something like that. 372 00:18:18,157 --> 00:18:19,147 After that experience. 373 00:18:19,147 --> 00:18:24,037 Like the fact was in water was an exciting first for her, uh, 374 00:18:24,067 --> 00:18:26,107 which I enjoyed the fun of. 375 00:18:26,137 --> 00:18:32,332 I, I. I get the sense she's here, just like Commander Data was, is she is 376 00:18:32,332 --> 00:18:37,582 reveling in every new humanoid experience, new corporeal experience she can have. 377 00:18:37,912 --> 00:18:43,432 So if all of our friends are in the change room in their skivvies, so will she be. 378 00:18:44,033 --> 00:18:44,393 Rob: Yes. 379 00:18:44,512 --> 00:18:47,662 Kevin: Now, did she actually remove clothing and is she 380 00:18:47,662 --> 00:18:49,492 dressing herself every day or is. 381 00:18:50,257 --> 00:18:54,997 Uh, is her, well, her, her cost, her costume must be holographic most of the 382 00:18:54,997 --> 00:18:58,027 time because she is, uh, porous as we see. 383 00:18:58,027 --> 00:19:00,157 And, and her costume disappears as well. 384 00:19:00,218 --> 00:19:02,498 Rob: And when she, yeah, when she gets shot, she, they goes 385 00:19:02,498 --> 00:19:03,458 straight through her costume. 386 00:19:03,458 --> 00:19:03,728 Yeah. 387 00:19:04,238 --> 00:19:05,078 Um, yeah. 388 00:19:05,557 --> 00:19:06,967 Kevin: I think, I think she. 389 00:19:08,032 --> 00:19:11,002 I'm glad she was given a physical jacket like everyone else. 390 00:19:11,002 --> 00:19:14,512 And I buy that a hologram can wear a physical jacket in Star Trek. 391 00:19:15,202 --> 00:19:18,682 Will she be wearing that physical jacket all the time or will she, you 392 00:19:18,682 --> 00:19:22,102 know, add it to her program so that she can project it whenever she wants to? 393 00:19:22,102 --> 00:19:25,582 Like maybe like, that's kind of where these things sit with me is that 394 00:19:25,703 --> 00:19:25,973 Rob: And she 395 00:19:26,152 --> 00:19:30,532 Kevin: can interact with physical objects when she wishes, but is 396 00:19:30,592 --> 00:19:32,722 mostly light most of the time. 397 00:19:33,413 --> 00:19:33,713 Rob: Yes. 398 00:19:33,713 --> 00:19:36,203 And she can keep that jacket, say, in her quarters. 399 00:19:36,203 --> 00:19:38,578 And that's a, you know, an heirloom. 400 00:19:39,337 --> 00:19:39,727 Kevin: Yeah. 401 00:19:40,687 --> 00:19:43,807 But the bubbles I don't think would wash with me either. 402 00:19:43,807 --> 00:19:48,817 I, I think I agree that, well, I mean, if you can project fingers and toes, 403 00:19:48,817 --> 00:19:51,007 why can't you project breath bubbles? 404 00:19:51,007 --> 00:19:51,727 I mean Sure. 405 00:19:51,727 --> 00:19:52,387 Go for it. 406 00:19:52,387 --> 00:19:52,747 But, 407 00:19:52,793 --> 00:19:56,183 Rob: Well, look, we're, we're using the 800 year, you know, a thousand years 408 00:19:56,183 --> 00:19:59,633 in the future, uh, uh, uh, loopholes as 409 00:19:59,797 --> 00:20:02,677 Kevin: I would hope if there's an episode where these, these 410 00:20:02,677 --> 00:20:07,747 characters are underwater with breath breathing apparatuses, that 411 00:20:07,747 --> 00:20:11,437 SAM would be the only one without bubbles coming out of her suit. 412 00:20:11,467 --> 00:20:14,347 Like that would be a satisfying detail for me. 413 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:16,417 So I, I hope they would be on top of that. 414 00:20:16,898 --> 00:20:20,138 Rob: Well, I assume we're at the point where now that we're getting to the, 415 00:20:20,738 --> 00:20:26,408 the crux of the show, we may see an episode focus on each of the characters. 416 00:20:26,408 --> 00:20:29,078 So we see a Jay-Den centric episode. 417 00:20:29,078 --> 00:20:29,288 This 418 00:20:29,407 --> 00:20:34,417 Kevin: Well, this seemed to be our, uh, Darrem Reymi episode, maybe. 419 00:20:35,213 --> 00:20:38,783 Rob: And so like Caleb seems to be our lead, so he's gonna have 420 00:20:38,873 --> 00:20:40,733 elements of his story every week. 421 00:20:40,943 --> 00:20:44,933 But yeah, hopefully we get, uh, a bit of SAM focus and a day in the 422 00:20:44,933 --> 00:20:47,453 life of Starfleet with a hologram. 423 00:20:47,872 --> 00:20:48,832 Kevin: Yeah, I hope so too. 424 00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:51,563 Rob: And no, Robert, this week we missed you. 425 00:20:51,802 --> 00:20:52,932 Kevin: No, Robert Picardo. 426 00:20:52,932 --> 00:20:53,332 No. 427 00:20:53,452 --> 00:20:55,492 And we're still waiting for Tilly's, uh, 428 00:20:55,673 --> 00:20:56,603 Rob: Tilly's, yeah. 429 00:20:56,753 --> 00:21:00,713 And I think I'm, yeah, like you said last time, I think she'll be a one and done. 430 00:21:00,773 --> 00:21:04,373 She'll pop in for a cameo and be gone, but we've got Tig and so if 431 00:21:04,373 --> 00:21:06,923 we get Tig more, I'm very, happy. 432 00:21:07,403 --> 00:21:10,223 Think this, some people have been saying it, this seems to be a 433 00:21:10,223 --> 00:21:14,188 better fit for her within, uh, the Star Trek universe than Discovery. 434 00:21:14,513 --> 00:21:14,723 And there 435 00:21:14,827 --> 00:21:18,127 Kevin: Yeah, she kinda wandered around engineering on Discovery being a 436 00:21:18,127 --> 00:21:22,507 professor of engineering most time anyway, so it is a very good fit. 437 00:21:23,437 --> 00:21:26,377 Dispensing pithy wisdom seems to be her natural state. 438 00:21:27,113 --> 00:21:30,023 Rob: And that, yeah, that, that throwing of shade seems to work 439 00:21:30,023 --> 00:21:33,503 well to, uh, generate and, uh, put the students into place. 440 00:21:35,347 --> 00:21:35,647 Kevin: All right. 441 00:21:35,647 --> 00:21:37,657 Well, there was a bit of sports. 442 00:21:37,687 --> 00:21:41,407 I mean, you could quibble over whether Calica is a sport, but it was. 443 00:21:42,322 --> 00:21:44,932 Literally in the dialogue called a sport. 444 00:21:45,292 --> 00:21:47,392 So we are calling it a sport. 445 00:21:47,482 --> 00:21:48,922 There's a bit of basketball as well. 446 00:21:48,922 --> 00:21:54,412 So we had the, we had the traditional recognizable, uh, existing sport that 447 00:21:54,412 --> 00:21:59,992 has lasted a thousand years and we had this made up space sport as well. 448 00:22:00,514 --> 00:22:01,454 Rob: Space sport!! 449 00:22:01,886 --> 00:22:05,006 Kevin: Yeah, I, I think I like going by sports because a lot of 450 00:22:05,006 --> 00:22:08,426 these things turn up like they're peppered over multiple episodes. 451 00:22:08,546 --> 00:22:13,826 Um, for me, if we're talking made up Star Trek sports, because we have 452 00:22:13,826 --> 00:22:17,186 talked to Earth sports in the past, like there's, there's the baseball 453 00:22:17,186 --> 00:22:20,636 of it all in Deep Space Nine, in Take Me Out to the Holosuite. 454 00:22:20,816 --> 00:22:22,226 We've talked about that at some length. 455 00:22:22,226 --> 00:22:26,726 So I think let's, let's play with the made up ones today and my first made 456 00:22:26,726 --> 00:22:30,596 up sport that always comes to mind first, we have talked about it before. 457 00:22:30,776 --> 00:22:33,326 It's from Star Trek: The Next Generation season two, episode 458 00:22:33,326 --> 00:22:36,326 14, The Icarus Factor in which. 459 00:22:36,451 --> 00:22:43,051 Commander Riker, uh, gets all kitted up in a laser tag outfit from the eighties, 460 00:22:43,141 --> 00:22:45,061 because that's when this show was made. 461 00:22:45,512 --> 00:22:45,802 Rob: Yeah, 462 00:22:46,021 --> 00:22:52,261 Kevin: and, um, confronts his father Kyle Riker in a grudge match between 463 00:22:52,261 --> 00:22:55,601 father and son in a game Anbo-jyutsu. 464 00:22:55,829 --> 00:22:56,049 Rob: Yes. 465 00:22:57,348 --> 00:23:03,078 Kevin: Uh, this has, uh, this has a, a pattern in Star Trek that I quite like 466 00:23:03,108 --> 00:23:06,018 where sports are considered dangerous. 467 00:23:06,078 --> 00:23:10,458 They're considered more dangerous than their everyday jobs exploring 468 00:23:10,458 --> 00:23:12,468 space in the final frontier. 469 00:23:12,918 --> 00:23:16,038 They're like, oh, well, you know, if you're gonna play sports, 470 00:23:16,038 --> 00:23:17,598 take your life into your hands. 471 00:23:17,598 --> 00:23:19,818 There's a bit of that going on in Star Trek. 472 00:23:20,464 --> 00:23:24,409 Rob: Well, there's definitely a sense of like, like in Deep Space Nine, 473 00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:29,614 like baseball is like, is, hasn't been played for hundreds of years. 474 00:23:29,913 --> 00:23:30,543 Kevin: Uh, it's retro. 475 00:23:30,748 --> 00:23:31,188 Coming back. 476 00:23:31,684 --> 00:23:36,754 Rob: Yes, and it has a sense of, you know, it's retro or it's ancient or 477 00:23:36,754 --> 00:23:38,764 it's outdated, but the element of 478 00:23:39,093 --> 00:23:41,763 Kevin: There's definitely a novelty, like playing sports is not an 479 00:23:41,763 --> 00:23:43,593 everyday thing for this world. 480 00:23:43,863 --> 00:23:47,013 It is, it is a novel, uh, pastime. 481 00:23:47,524 --> 00:23:52,654 Rob: Yeah, and it's like, because their part, especially in the TNG era and 482 00:23:52,654 --> 00:23:58,084 onwards, their leisure time are the games they play within the holodeck. 483 00:23:58,504 --> 00:24:01,174 Uh, and especially with this episode that's done within the holodeck, 484 00:24:01,174 --> 00:24:07,919 but whether it's doing, you know, a, a film noir style book reenactment 485 00:24:08,099 --> 00:24:12,779 or going to, you know, a, a, an Irish village hundreds of years ago. 486 00:24:13,229 --> 00:24:18,599 Um, that seems to be their leisure activity as opposed to physical 487 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:21,119 exertion and, uh, competition. 488 00:24:21,588 --> 00:24:24,588 Kevin: Well, Dr. Pulaski has a speech in this episode. 489 00:24:24,588 --> 00:24:29,748 You'll remember she, she once was in love with Kyle Riker, and uh, so she 490 00:24:29,748 --> 00:24:34,318 knows both of these men, and she has a speech where she's like, Ugh, males 491 00:24:34,318 --> 00:24:38,368 of the species, they just, they can't settle their differences except, you 492 00:24:38,368 --> 00:24:41,668 know, getting in a ring and knocking the stuffing out of each other. 493 00:24:41,818 --> 00:24:43,318 What, what barbarity. 494 00:24:43,318 --> 00:24:45,718 I thought we had moved beyond this as a species. 495 00:24:45,718 --> 00:24:51,748 And like that, that she, she's painting with a very broad brush there and, and, 496 00:24:52,408 --> 00:24:58,108 um, it, it feels to me like the nerds who write Star Trek talking about how 497 00:24:58,108 --> 00:25:01,228 pointless organized sport is as a pastime. 498 00:25:01,504 --> 00:25:06,274 Rob: Look, yeah, it does lean into the cliche that all nerds hate 499 00:25:06,274 --> 00:25:11,464 sport and jocks hate, hate science fiction and stuff like that. 500 00:25:11,464 --> 00:25:15,304 I'm there going, the lines have blurred a lot over the decades and 501 00:25:15,304 --> 00:25:21,694 you can have, you know, sporty, sporty nerds and you can have, you know, 502 00:25:21,934 --> 00:25:24,634 uh, you know, nerdy jocks as well. 503 00:25:24,634 --> 00:25:29,854 But yeah, at this point in the late eighties, early nineties, never the 504 00:25:29,854 --> 00:25:33,214 twain shall make, the Venn diagram are just two separate balls that should 505 00:25:33,214 --> 00:25:35,394 be in different, uh, orbital pulls. 506 00:25:36,438 --> 00:25:42,378 Kevin: Apart from their head to toe, laser tag get ups, uh, which are 507 00:25:42,378 --> 00:25:46,938 like made of molded plastic, uh, and in two different colors so you 508 00:25:46,968 --> 00:25:48,558 don't forget which one is which. 509 00:25:48,828 --> 00:25:53,658 They're, they're holding basically like quarter staffs with, uh, with 510 00:25:54,498 --> 00:25:59,418 boppers on the, on each end, like these, these cushioned mallets on each end. 511 00:25:59,418 --> 00:26:03,618 So they're like, you know, doing the typical spin the staff and whack each 512 00:26:03,618 --> 00:26:08,118 other and they're trying to knock each other off of a platform, seems to be the. 513 00:26:08,208 --> 00:26:09,948 It's very American Gladiator 514 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:13,609 Rob: I was just about say, it's very, it's very Gladiators. 515 00:26:13,609 --> 00:26:13,879 Yeah. 516 00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:14,809 Um. 517 00:26:15,454 --> 00:26:16,174 Uh, yes. 518 00:26:16,174 --> 00:26:19,414 We had our gladiator time here in Australia in the nineties, 519 00:26:19,774 --> 00:26:22,054 uh, but, and in the UK as well. 520 00:26:22,054 --> 00:26:25,744 And we in this exciting moment when you're a child, when the British 521 00:26:25,744 --> 00:26:27,514 Gladiators came over to Australia. 522 00:26:27,814 --> 00:26:28,864 Uh, but I digress. 523 00:26:29,194 --> 00:26:30,034 Uh, yes. 524 00:26:30,034 --> 00:26:34,714 It, it, if any, any raised platforms and you have to knock someone off, 525 00:26:35,044 --> 00:26:39,244 takes any legitimacy out of it and turns it into, okay, we're just 526 00:26:39,334 --> 00:26:41,464 doing a TV show called Gladiators. 527 00:26:41,663 --> 00:26:42,893 Kevin: So yeah, it's entertaining. 528 00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:46,763 I mean, the, the sport is kind of beside the point here, as it is most of the time. 529 00:26:46,913 --> 00:26:47,903 A means to an end. 530 00:26:48,533 --> 00:26:52,493 These characters, in the end, Riker discovers that his father 531 00:26:52,493 --> 00:26:56,273 has been cheating all these years by doing an illegal move. 532 00:26:56,273 --> 00:27:00,203 And, his father goes, oh, I had to cheat to stay ahead of you and 533 00:27:00,203 --> 00:27:02,183 keep you, keep you interested. 534 00:27:02,543 --> 00:27:06,653 And, uh, with that, the last shred of respect that Riker 535 00:27:06,653 --> 00:27:08,543 has for his father evaporates. 536 00:27:08,963 --> 00:27:11,813 Um, but they patch it up in the end anyway. 537 00:27:11,813 --> 00:27:16,966 So yeah, it's a, it's I think a very, um, a very typical use of a sport in 538 00:27:16,966 --> 00:27:21,616 a drama series is to, to bring some conflict between characters to a head. 539 00:27:22,006 --> 00:27:25,066 And, uh, it does that here, but just, I can't get over. 540 00:27:25,066 --> 00:27:27,706 It's worth, if you have not seen this episode, just go look 541 00:27:27,706 --> 00:27:29,596 up a photo of the costumes. 542 00:27:30,496 --> 00:27:35,566 Here season two of Star Trek, the Next Generation, I think the, the actors 543 00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:41,131 were still being surprised by the, uh, the costume of the week they were 544 00:27:41,131 --> 00:27:45,241 being asked to put on and go going, oh, well, I, I signed up for a space suit. 545 00:27:45,241 --> 00:27:47,161 I didn't sign up for a laser tag outfit. 546 00:27:47,837 --> 00:27:50,837 Rob: And this is the season two, so this is like 1988. 547 00:27:50,867 --> 00:27:54,887 So it in the height of neon, uh, a spandex. 548 00:27:55,651 --> 00:27:56,161 Kevin: Yes. 549 00:27:56,251 --> 00:28:00,391 Oh, it, it looks very much like a TRON outfit without the lighting, if you will. 550 00:28:00,767 --> 00:28:01,997 Rob: Oh, excellent. 551 00:28:02,027 --> 00:28:03,287 Oh, you're speaking my language. 552 00:28:03,707 --> 00:28:09,197 Um, well, I'm gonna jump ahead, uh, to, uh, my show of course, because it's, 553 00:28:09,197 --> 00:28:13,277 you know, we're doing a podcast on Star Trek, so it wouldn't, it wouldn't be 554 00:28:13,277 --> 00:28:16,337 right if I didn't talk about Deep Space Nine, but there's a sport in there that 555 00:28:16,337 --> 00:28:21,007 isn't actually mentioned in the show, but online it's known as Springball. 556 00:28:21,812 --> 00:28:26,151 Uh, it's from, uh, season four, episode 22, uh, 557 00:28:26,151 --> 00:28:27,141 Kevin: For the Cause. 558 00:28:27,329 --> 00:28:31,709 Rob: yeah, where, um, where we're like put into thoughts that Kassidy Yates 559 00:28:31,769 --> 00:28:37,859 is, uh, a smuggler for the Maquis, um, and Eddington is still there in his 560 00:28:37,859 --> 00:28:41,009 position of a trusted member of, uh 561 00:28:41,048 --> 00:28:42,828 Kevin: Well, not by the end of this episode. 562 00:28:42,828 --> 00:28:44,328 He is unmasked in this one, yeah. 563 00:28:44,398 --> 00:28:45,959 Rob: He is unmasked at the end. 564 00:28:46,289 --> 00:28:49,289 But we have, um, it's not really the focus of it. 565 00:28:49,289 --> 00:28:53,969 Like with, uh, your, the Riker boys using the sport to sort out their 566 00:28:53,969 --> 00:28:58,299 differences or find the resolution of their issues or stuff like that. 567 00:28:58,389 --> 00:29:03,599 Um, this is like, the game is the background and the focus is, um, 568 00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:07,799 you know, Garak and Bashir talking about, uh, Gul Dukat's daughter 569 00:29:07,979 --> 00:29:10,139 who is on, uh, the space station. 570 00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:13,499 And of course, uh, Garak is drawn to her. 571 00:29:13,709 --> 00:29:17,909 Um, whether they were trying to draw some sort of attraction, but we all know 572 00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:20,159 that it was Garak and Bashir all along. 573 00:29:20,699 --> 00:29:23,999 It was more that Cardassian connection 'cause she's part 574 00:29:23,999 --> 00:29:26,289 Bajoran, part, uh, Cardassian. 575 00:29:26,363 --> 00:29:29,453 Kevin: I, I remember Ziyal this is, yeah, 576 00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:30,239 Rob: Yes. 577 00:29:31,318 --> 00:29:31,948 Kevin: Dukat's daughter. 578 00:29:31,948 --> 00:29:35,693 There's the, the Cardassian flirting scene where they find 579 00:29:35,693 --> 00:29:37,403 themselves alone in the turbo lift. 580 00:29:37,433 --> 00:29:41,423 And uh, and one says to the other, you have nothing to fear for me. 581 00:29:41,423 --> 00:29:43,643 And the other one says, well, you have nothing to your fear for me. 582 00:29:43,643 --> 00:29:45,863 And it's like, oh, that's Cardassian flirting! 583 00:29:47,033 --> 00:29:48,503 I promise not murder you. 584 00:29:50,814 --> 00:29:53,994 Rob: So yeah, everyone's going, you know, Garak is just so, 585 00:29:53,994 --> 00:29:57,024 um, is, he's clearly gay. 586 00:29:57,054 --> 00:30:00,924 And go, well, what maybe we're limiting what, what, how he identifies, 587 00:30:00,924 --> 00:30:05,064 you know, Garak could, could be, you know, uh, could be poly, could 588 00:30:05,064 --> 00:30:07,224 be bi, could be, you know, pan. 589 00:30:07,464 --> 00:30:12,594 He, you know, he's a, he's a, he's a modern future, you know, man about 590 00:30:12,983 --> 00:30:14,213 Kevin: Don't put him in a box. 591 00:30:14,594 --> 00:30:16,184 Rob: Don't put him in a box. 592 00:30:16,304 --> 00:30:19,594 If he wants to, I was gonna do something very crude there, but I won't. 593 00:30:19,974 --> 00:30:21,684 We're a classy establishment here. 594 00:30:22,024 --> 00:30:25,694 Um, so yes, the game is in the background while this, these 595 00:30:25,694 --> 00:30:29,354 machinations and discussions are happening and it's Nerys playing this 596 00:30:29,354 --> 00:30:34,364 game, which is kind of like squash and wall ball and a bit of handball. 597 00:30:34,424 --> 00:30:39,089 So they're in like gladiatorial, sort of like, padding stuff. 598 00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:40,289 They've got helmets on. 599 00:30:40,439 --> 00:30:44,669 So you can have the cliche winning a point and you know, the, the 600 00:30:44,669 --> 00:30:48,089 player takes off the masks and does a ah breath of fresh air. 601 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:49,859 And Nerys does that quite a few times. 602 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:52,499 A bit of physicality in it, 603 00:30:52,733 --> 00:30:55,103 Kevin: Yeah, there's people knocking each other down. 604 00:30:55,253 --> 00:30:58,463 Like, I think there's an, there is another episode of Deep Space Nine 605 00:30:58,463 --> 00:31:05,273 called Rivals in Season Two, where, uh, Bashir and, uh, O'Brien have a 606 00:31:05,273 --> 00:31:09,683 rivalry of handball, uh, or racquetball, they call, yeah, it's racquetball. 607 00:31:09,999 --> 00:31:10,749 Rob: It's racketball. 608 00:31:11,439 --> 00:31:13,929 Is kinda like squash, but with a bouncier ball. 609 00:31:14,343 --> 00:31:14,663 Kevin: Yeah. 610 00:31:14,693 --> 00:31:18,173 Two seasons later, here, springball seems to be like the, the 611 00:31:18,173 --> 00:31:19,823 Bajoran version of raquetball. 612 00:31:20,393 --> 00:31:20,753 instead of 613 00:31:20,753 --> 00:31:24,083 like rackets, have these little like saucers attached to one hand. 614 00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:26,889 Rob: Yes, and they have to knock it up against the wall and the 615 00:31:26,889 --> 00:31:27,939 other person has to knock it. 616 00:31:28,269 --> 00:31:32,949 There's points awarded, but there's a point where like Nerys is on the floor 617 00:31:32,949 --> 00:31:38,139 and looks like she's lost, but she catches the ball and everyone cheers and screams, 618 00:31:38,169 --> 00:31:42,969 and so it appears she's won a point for catching it, but they don't do it all the 619 00:31:43,523 --> 00:31:44,903 Kevin: The arbitrary rules. 620 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:48,653 When when to only stand the scrutiny of one scene in the 621 00:31:48,864 --> 00:31:49,584 Rob: Yes. 622 00:31:49,944 --> 00:31:50,424 Yes. 623 00:31:50,484 --> 00:31:53,724 Um, so look, it looks like a hell of a lot of fun. 624 00:31:53,874 --> 00:31:57,864 Um, as we know within the Harry Potter world, uh, they have taken 625 00:31:57,864 --> 00:32:04,254 Quidditch and there are leagues and teams of many young youthful physical 626 00:32:04,494 --> 00:32:06,834 uni students playing, uh, Quidditch. 627 00:32:07,194 --> 00:32:12,384 Um, so I could see if there are any older but physically inclined 628 00:32:12,384 --> 00:32:16,074 Star Trek characters who would like to start a springball league. 629 00:32:16,314 --> 00:32:17,784 I will be more than happy to join. 630 00:32:18,518 --> 00:32:19,058 Kevin: Wow. 631 00:32:20,109 --> 00:32:22,659 Rob: How, that looks like, I used to play a bit of squash in my day. 632 00:32:22,659 --> 00:32:23,914 Not very well, but I did. 633 00:32:24,663 --> 00:32:28,133 Kevin: Springball is, follows the pattern of a lot of these sports where they 634 00:32:28,133 --> 00:32:31,283 are mentioned in dialogue a few times and then at a certain point they're 635 00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:33,983 like, let's actually show a match. 636 00:32:34,343 --> 00:32:38,903 Um, and uh, yeah, that, that this seems to be the one actual appearance 637 00:32:38,903 --> 00:32:42,083 of springball, although it is mentioned throughout the series as 638 00:32:42,083 --> 00:32:44,513 something people do as a pastime. 639 00:32:44,813 --> 00:32:49,733 And, uh, the next one I wanted to bring up, uh, Parrises Squares is 640 00:32:49,974 --> 00:32:52,494 Rob: I was gonna bring that up as well, which is mentioned, 641 00:32:52,494 --> 00:32:53,784 but we've never seen it. 642 00:32:54,038 --> 00:32:57,488 Kevin: We have seen it now in Prodigy for the first time. 643 00:32:58,494 --> 00:33:00,144 Rob: Oh, now I've gotta go back and watch it. 644 00:33:00,698 --> 00:33:02,798 Kevin: In Prodigy season two, episode eight. 645 00:33:02,828 --> 00:33:04,658 Is there in beauty, no Truth. 646 00:33:04,658 --> 00:33:09,788 This is the one where zero gets their, um, humanoid body, briefly. 647 00:33:10,298 --> 00:33:10,808 Yeah. 648 00:33:11,078 --> 00:33:15,453 In the background of this episode, like the, these, the, our Prodigy 649 00:33:15,483 --> 00:33:19,893 characters have made their escape from the Voyager-A, uh, secretly, 650 00:33:19,893 --> 00:33:24,903 and they have left their holographic replicas behind, fooling everyone. 651 00:33:25,203 --> 00:33:30,903 And the holographic replicas are unmasked in a match of Parrises Squares 652 00:33:31,263 --> 00:33:37,143 where the, uh, the Vulcan Maj'el kind of spots that the, the holograms' 653 00:33:37,218 --> 00:33:39,048 personalities are all mixed up. 654 00:33:39,558 --> 00:33:44,148 they, they play a game of Parrises Squares with them, uh, for Admiral 655 00:33:44,148 --> 00:33:48,018 Janeway to, to demonstrate that the personalities are wrong. 656 00:33:48,048 --> 00:33:54,618 And so we see a court of, uh, you know, it is a small basketball sized court, I 657 00:33:54,618 --> 00:33:59,508 guess you would, but the floor is made up of a grid of squares that rise and fall, 658 00:34:00,054 --> 00:34:00,839 Rob: Yes, that's right. 659 00:34:01,938 --> 00:34:03,718 Kevin: And the, there are, there are. 660 00:34:04,223 --> 00:34:08,273 Kind of targets at either end, but there's three targets instead of just one hoop. 661 00:34:08,903 --> 00:34:13,643 And something that is consistently mentioned, uh, when Parrises Squares 662 00:34:13,643 --> 00:34:17,903 is talked about in dialogue throughout the history of the show is ion mallets. 663 00:34:17,933 --> 00:34:21,473 So they're holding ion mallets and Parrises Squares. 664 00:34:21,473 --> 00:34:27,438 I think for me is the, the, prototype for the dangerous sport that people 665 00:34:27,438 --> 00:34:29,748 go, oh, he plays Parrises Squares. 666 00:34:29,748 --> 00:34:32,958 He's respon, uh, irresponsible, uh, you know. 667 00:34:33,108 --> 00:34:36,498 They, they do this dangerous thing in their spare time and it says 668 00:34:36,498 --> 00:34:38,028 something about their character. 669 00:34:38,388 --> 00:34:44,303 But, uh, by my research, it was first mentioned in TNG, season one, episode 670 00:34:44,303 --> 00:34:52,208 15, 11001001 with the Bynars, in which, uh, the ship is undergoing maintenance, 671 00:34:52,208 --> 00:34:57,308 and so everyone goes off and does their pastimes and Tasha Yar and some, some, 672 00:34:57,308 --> 00:35:01,028 and Worf and some other crew member are kind of wearing blue spandex suits. 673 00:35:01,028 --> 00:35:06,098 And talk Riker into going to play Parrises Squares to represent the ship. 674 00:35:06,158 --> 00:35:08,738 They're gonna, the, the Enterprise Parrises Squares 675 00:35:08,738 --> 00:35:11,678 team is gonna play against the Starbase's Parrises Squares team. 676 00:35:12,158 --> 00:35:14,498 Um, and, uh, it's, it. 677 00:35:14,793 --> 00:35:18,723 There is a beautiful detail that I never noticed in that scene before when I went 678 00:35:18,723 --> 00:35:20,973 back and watched it as Riker wishes them. 679 00:35:20,973 --> 00:35:25,653 Well, by doing this kind of hand sign, he says, do us proud, and he does one 680 00:35:25,653 --> 00:35:30,843 of these, which is like a live long and prosper, but with a thumb over the palm. 681 00:35:31,139 --> 00:35:31,489 Rob: right. 682 00:35:31,629 --> 00:35:31,849 as, 683 00:35:31,973 --> 00:35:34,973 Kevin: And he, he kind of does it sideways, like do us proud and 684 00:35:34,973 --> 00:35:38,183 it's, it's almost live long and prosper, but it seems like, is 685 00:35:38,183 --> 00:35:40,583 Riker trying to make this a thing? 686 00:35:40,583 --> 00:35:42,653 The, the Enterprise hand sign? 687 00:35:43,103 --> 00:35:49,253 It, it's Lower Decks, decades ahead of time, I never saw it before. 688 00:35:49,253 --> 00:35:50,933 It is hilarious to see him do it. 689 00:35:50,933 --> 00:35:53,093 I'm, I'm sure it wasn't in the script. 690 00:35:53,123 --> 00:35:58,733 It is, it is 100% Jonathan Frakes slipping in an ad-lib physicality. 691 00:35:59,364 --> 00:36:00,894 Rob: How could I have forgotten that? 692 00:36:01,164 --> 00:36:04,914 Oh, Prodigy, bringing the game again. 693 00:36:05,484 --> 00:36:07,974 It is a shame it has been so overshadowed. 694 00:36:07,974 --> 00:36:09,834 What a gem of a show that was. 695 00:36:10,253 --> 00:36:13,673 Kevin: We had a mention of Parisi Squares just last week when we were talking about 696 00:36:13,673 --> 00:36:16,043 the First Duty season five episode 19. 697 00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:20,033 That's the game that Boothby had to spend three weeks cleaning up the grounds 698 00:36:20,033 --> 00:36:25,553 of Starfleet Academy after the Academy team unexpectedly won against Minsk. 699 00:36:26,103 --> 00:36:29,453 Minsk has a team, and Starfleet Academy has a team, and they were 700 00:36:29,753 --> 00:36:31,793 rivals and Minsk was favored. 701 00:36:32,363 --> 00:36:32,963 Um. 702 00:36:33,203 --> 00:36:36,953 We had it again in Voyager, season three, episode 22. 703 00:36:36,953 --> 00:36:42,023 Real life in which the Doctor creates a holographic family for himself that 704 00:36:42,113 --> 00:36:44,243 goes home to after work every day. 705 00:36:44,333 --> 00:36:49,253 And his young daughter Belle plays Parrises Squares with older 706 00:36:49,253 --> 00:36:52,103 children and is killed in the game. 707 00:36:53,168 --> 00:36:57,788 She suffers traumatic brain damage and is going to die, and it's 708 00:36:57,788 --> 00:36:59,198 too much for the Doctor to take. 709 00:36:59,198 --> 00:37:03,998 He switches off the program, uh, and, and is dealing with his grief 710 00:37:03,998 --> 00:37:05,378 through the end of the episode. 711 00:37:05,439 --> 00:37:06,819 Rob: Oh my gosh. 712 00:37:07,148 --> 00:37:09,388 Kevin: So it is, it is deadly that Parrises Squares. 713 00:37:09,459 --> 00:37:10,119 Rob: Yes. 714 00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:11,529 It is really deadly. 715 00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:13,959 Those those are ion mallets. 716 00:37:14,109 --> 00:37:14,289 Oh 717 00:37:15,368 --> 00:37:17,978 Kevin: Yeah, there was talk of, I think Riker talked about, I've 718 00:37:17,978 --> 00:37:22,538 taken an ion mallet to the ribs tell the tail that sort of stuff. 719 00:37:24,008 --> 00:37:27,908 So yeah, Parrises Squares I think is f for me, the, it's the, the 720 00:37:27,908 --> 00:37:32,018 first kind of made up team sport that I remember in Star Trek. 721 00:37:32,018 --> 00:37:34,898 And, uh, it took it until Prodigy when they showed it. 722 00:37:34,958 --> 00:37:42,818 And inevitably, just like all of these, it is less satisfying to see 723 00:37:42,818 --> 00:37:45,158 it than it is to hear it told about. 724 00:37:45,158 --> 00:37:48,758 Like, I think it is very hard once something has been built 725 00:37:48,758 --> 00:37:53,468 up in myth and legend to make a satisfying, uh, embodiment of it. 726 00:37:53,468 --> 00:37:57,728 And the Parrises Squares game in Prodigy is brief and I would 727 00:37:57,728 --> 00:37:59,468 say somewhat underwhelming. 728 00:37:59,468 --> 00:38:00,338 Like, you're like, really? 729 00:38:00,338 --> 00:38:03,128 That killed the Doctor's holographic daughter. 730 00:38:03,128 --> 00:38:04,118 I don't think so. 731 00:38:04,569 --> 00:38:07,629 Rob: Yeah, there's a bit to, oh, I mean, that's, that's, you know, that's. 732 00:38:08,184 --> 00:38:13,404 Almost four decades of lead up and preparation sort of like wonder and 733 00:38:13,404 --> 00:38:18,144 nothing could ever match up to what we Star Trek fans have created in our mind. 734 00:38:18,444 --> 00:38:21,384 Um, and it's finding that balance of going, like adding in the levels 735 00:38:21,384 --> 00:38:25,794 that move up and down, trying to find something that's, yeah. 736 00:38:25,854 --> 00:38:26,244 Finding 737 00:38:26,403 --> 00:38:27,483 Kevin: a bit 3D chess. 738 00:38:27,483 --> 00:38:30,683 It's like what if the, what if we take this game that we know as 739 00:38:30,683 --> 00:38:32,303 flat and make it three dimensional? 740 00:38:32,784 --> 00:38:33,984 Rob: Yeah, exactly. 741 00:38:33,984 --> 00:38:36,894 And add in ion mallets, um. 742 00:38:37,283 --> 00:38:38,723 Kevin: I had one more on my list. 743 00:38:38,723 --> 00:38:40,943 Rob, I it's on your list as well. 744 00:38:41,619 --> 00:38:44,589 Rob: Well, you got Parrises Squares, uh, off my list, so I'm glad you 745 00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:46,959 got to do the deep dive into that. 746 00:38:46,959 --> 00:38:50,289 And I'm, I'm regretting that I did not remember the, uh, 747 00:38:50,769 --> 00:38:52,269 the, the Prodigy episode. 748 00:38:52,269 --> 00:38:53,049 Which one are got? 749 00:38:53,843 --> 00:38:57,413 Kevin: Uh, velocity, which is a game that is mentioned in 750 00:38:57,413 --> 00:39:00,083 dialogue in Voyager several times. 751 00:39:00,383 --> 00:39:02,693 And then we finally see it in one episode. 752 00:39:02,693 --> 00:39:06,023 Season four, episode 26, Hope and Fear. 753 00:39:06,533 --> 00:39:07,793 Uh, Janeway in Seven. 754 00:39:07,793 --> 00:39:12,923 Play a one-on-one match of velocity at the start and at the end of the episode. 755 00:39:12,923 --> 00:39:19,463 And these matches bookend the events of the episode in which, uh, uh, as seems 756 00:39:19,463 --> 00:39:23,513 to happen multiple times per season in Voyager, Voyager almost makes it 757 00:39:23,513 --> 00:39:25,553 home, but it turns out to be a mirage. 758 00:39:25,913 --> 00:39:30,983 Uh, they, they are working to decrypt a message they received from Starfleet 759 00:39:30,983 --> 00:39:35,873 command and a helpful alien comes along and says, here, I, I decrypted it for you. 760 00:39:35,993 --> 00:39:40,973 And the message takes them to a ship, the USS Dauntless, uh, 761 00:39:40,973 --> 00:39:45,743 which looks a lot like Janeway's Voyager-A in, uh, Prodigy, by the 762 00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:46,289 Rob: Oh yes. 763 00:39:46,748 --> 00:39:50,138 Kevin: And this ship has been outfitted with a quantum slipstream 764 00:39:50,138 --> 00:39:54,188 drive that supposedly will get them home in a matter of months. 765 00:39:54,518 --> 00:39:58,268 Uh, it's all too good to be true, and it ends up being a trap by 766 00:39:58,268 --> 00:40:03,488 this, uh, this alien who is scarred by his experiences with the Borg. 767 00:40:03,488 --> 00:40:08,408 And he's here to punish and take revenge on not just Seven, but the 768 00:40:08,408 --> 00:40:16,228 crew of Voyager who, uh, who allied with the Borg against Species 8472, um, 769 00:40:16,288 --> 00:40:20,368 allowed the Borg to continue to thrive in the Delta Quadrant and led to the, 770 00:40:20,758 --> 00:40:23,998 the, um, conquest of his home world. 771 00:40:24,328 --> 00:40:30,353 So yeah, all of this to say this is a Janeway/Seven relationship episode where 772 00:40:30,353 --> 00:40:32,573 throughout it they are butting heads. 773 00:40:32,573 --> 00:40:37,763 And Seven is experiencing fear about the prospect of returning to the Alpha 774 00:40:37,763 --> 00:40:42,683 Quadrant and having to live among the Federation being looked at as a Borg 775 00:40:42,683 --> 00:40:46,193 drone by all of these, these strangers. 776 00:40:46,823 --> 00:40:50,393 And Janeway is meanwhile trying to figure out how she, you know, 777 00:40:50,393 --> 00:40:53,273 can she trust, uh, Seven or not. 778 00:40:53,303 --> 00:40:56,153 And, and, you know, it's, it's one of those good ones. 779 00:40:56,663 --> 00:40:56,753 Um. 780 00:40:58,508 --> 00:41:03,458 Yeah, I, I think it's a good standalone Voyager episode that very much goes 781 00:41:03,458 --> 00:41:05,528 to the, the premise of the show. 782 00:41:05,918 --> 00:41:11,618 And, uh, this game of velocity, which I, I believe Kim, Harry Kim 783 00:41:11,618 --> 00:41:15,218 says he was a champion of multiple times at Starfleet Academy. 784 00:41:15,254 --> 00:41:16,474 Rob: I do think I remember, yeah 785 00:41:17,055 --> 00:41:21,638 Kevin: phaser based game where it's one-on-one, or at least it is in 786 00:41:21,638 --> 00:41:27,773 this, uh, episode and a holographic target appears hovering in the air. 787 00:41:27,773 --> 00:41:30,323 It's this little saucer with a ring of color around it. 788 00:41:30,743 --> 00:41:37,043 And the players shoot the target, and if you shoot it, it flips so that it is your 789 00:41:37,043 --> 00:41:39,563 color, and then you can shoot it again. 790 00:41:39,683 --> 00:41:46,428 And if you send the, the target flying into the body of your opponent while 791 00:41:46,428 --> 00:41:48,228 it has your color, you win a point. 792 00:41:48,468 --> 00:41:52,038 That's what I can, that's what I can learn from this episode. 793 00:41:52,038 --> 00:41:56,808 The, the computer is saying point Janeway, full contact, point Seven, like so 794 00:41:56,808 --> 00:41:58,548 it's explaining what's going on as it's 795 00:41:58,734 --> 00:42:02,334 Rob: So hit it, your color, and then you hit it again hit the person. 796 00:42:02,334 --> 00:42:02,844 Right. 797 00:42:03,043 --> 00:42:03,603 Kevin: Yeah, yeah. 798 00:42:03,863 --> 00:42:07,548 Or, or hit it once it turn your color and then hits the person. 799 00:42:07,548 --> 00:42:09,348 Maybe you can do it in one, I'm not sure. 800 00:42:09,684 --> 00:42:13,374 Rob: So do you see any of it like being acted out or you just, 801 00:42:13,913 --> 00:42:14,303 Kevin: Oh yeah. 802 00:42:14,303 --> 00:42:17,033 They're, they're, yeah, they're in, they're in outfits. 803 00:42:17,033 --> 00:42:20,123 They're bouncing around the holo, uh, suite, 804 00:42:20,274 --> 00:42:21,674 Rob: a, is it just a blank holo…? 805 00:42:21,674 --> 00:42:24,323 Kevin: It's a bare hologrid that they're playing 806 00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:25,809 Rob: So no levels going and 807 00:42:25,943 --> 00:42:27,623 Kevin: No, no. 808 00:42:27,623 --> 00:42:28,763 Levels going up and down. 809 00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:29,433 Yeah. 810 00:42:29,433 --> 00:42:32,483 The only holographic element seems to be the flying target. 811 00:42:32,979 --> 00:42:37,604 Rob: Okay, so no fear of a, of a, um, a, a prepubescent child getting 812 00:42:37,974 --> 00:42:40,604 concussion the point of brain death. 813 00:42:41,243 --> 00:42:45,263 Kevin: Yeah, no, they're jumping off the walls and, and and rolling on the 814 00:42:45,263 --> 00:42:48,653 floor and, and, you know, coming outta the roll and shooting the target. 815 00:42:49,223 --> 00:42:50,153 That, sort of stuff. 816 00:42:50,183 --> 00:42:50,483 Yeah. 817 00:42:50,483 --> 00:42:50,753 Yeah. 818 00:42:50,968 --> 00:42:51,128 Velocity. 819 00:42:52,074 --> 00:42:52,884 Rob: Well, there you go. 820 00:42:52,914 --> 00:42:54,264 Good discovery there. 821 00:42:54,864 --> 00:42:59,154 Out of all these games, Kevin Yank, which one would you like to play? 822 00:43:00,684 --> 00:43:03,894 I think that's a question that we should be asking ourselves after a 823 00:43:03,894 --> 00:43:09,414 full episode, discussing future sports, which one would you consider to, 824 00:43:09,444 --> 00:43:11,214 that, you could have be a dab hand at? 825 00:43:11,663 --> 00:43:13,253 Kevin: Uh, look. 826 00:43:14,543 --> 00:43:16,223 Velocity looks like fun. 827 00:43:16,283 --> 00:43:23,243 I don't know if I have the physique for it, but, uh, think back to, um, an early 828 00:43:23,243 --> 00:43:27,203 episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where Picard and Riker are playing are 829 00:43:27,203 --> 00:43:29,183 shooting targets in the phaser range, 830 00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:30,249 Rob: Yes. 831 00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:33,923 Kevin: Velocity feels like that, but active as a sport and, 832 00:43:33,999 --> 00:43:35,349 Rob: that like episode two or 833 00:43:35,483 --> 00:43:36,533 Kevin: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 834 00:43:36,623 --> 00:43:37,733 Very early on. 835 00:43:37,733 --> 00:43:37,943 Yeah. 836 00:43:37,943 --> 00:43:38,598 It's probably episode two. 837 00:43:39,938 --> 00:43:42,968 Um, and yeah, I, I like velocity, I think. 838 00:43:43,238 --> 00:43:46,418 I don't know if it would actually work in practice, but the idea that 839 00:43:46,418 --> 00:43:52,058 you could shoot this floating target, uh, with enough accuracy to determine 840 00:43:52,058 --> 00:43:56,978 where it goes flying and to hit your opponent, that does sound fun to try. 841 00:43:57,594 --> 00:44:00,144 Rob: A lot, that's a lot of mathematical angles. 842 00:44:00,144 --> 00:44:03,204 And does it ricochet off walls and stuff like that Anyway, 843 00:44:03,383 --> 00:44:06,503 Kevin: I don't fact that it's a one-on-one sport says something about me. 844 00:44:06,503 --> 00:44:11,723 Maybe I, like Caleb, am skeptical of organized team sports. 845 00:44:12,144 --> 00:44:13,494 Rob: Yeah, you're more of a tennis man. 846 00:44:15,324 --> 00:44:16,254 Or golf? 847 00:44:16,494 --> 00:44:20,874 Um, yeah, like I said, I think I, I, I, watching springball, I'm 848 00:44:20,874 --> 00:44:22,854 there going, this makes sense to me. 849 00:44:23,064 --> 00:44:23,484 Okay. 850 00:44:23,539 --> 00:44:27,594 I was, I was watching, uh, phaser fights and teleportation. 851 00:44:27,594 --> 00:44:31,284 I'm going, um, I'm okay, this is a stretching. 852 00:44:31,794 --> 00:44:32,544 I'm there going, okay. 853 00:44:32,544 --> 00:44:35,934 I can, until she caught the ball and everyone cheered. 854 00:44:36,114 --> 00:44:37,464 I was there going, okay, I get this. 855 00:44:37,464 --> 00:44:39,084 I'm going, well, what the hell does that mean? 856 00:44:39,114 --> 00:44:39,474 Okay. 857 00:44:39,474 --> 00:44:40,464 I need explained. 858 00:44:41,124 --> 00:44:41,514 Um. 859 00:44:41,779 --> 00:44:43,939 And all the flashing lights was really appealing to me. 860 00:44:43,939 --> 00:44:45,109 'cause I've just said, oh, I get a point. 861 00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:45,919 There's a flashing light. 862 00:44:46,703 --> 00:44:51,443 Kevin: was searching for springball, I saw a couple of eBay auctions for prop, 863 00:44:51,593 --> 00:44:58,193 uh, springball rule and scorecards that were made for this episode as props. 864 00:44:58,193 --> 00:45:03,263 I don't, I don't see them anywhere in the episode, but apparently the audience was 865 00:45:03,323 --> 00:45:06,353 given these little cards that have, uh. 866 00:45:06,423 --> 00:45:10,023 You know, fake rules and, and, and a scorecard grid. 867 00:45:10,023 --> 00:45:11,967 And it says Springball across the top. 868 00:45:11,967 --> 00:45:13,497 Rob: Was it in English or Bajoran? 869 00:45:13,836 --> 00:45:16,236 Kevin: I think it's English, but maybe there's some Bajor 870 00:45:16,236 --> 00:45:17,586 script under it as well. 871 00:45:18,186 --> 00:45:20,246 Rob: That would be good to know, so when I start 872 00:45:20,246 --> 00:45:21,096 Kevin: up my league 873 00:45:21,476 --> 00:45:28,977 Rob: of uh, uh, middle aged Star Trek fans working up a sweat, but I just 874 00:45:28,977 --> 00:45:32,037 wanna, I guess it's just the, the actor in me, I wanna do that moment 875 00:45:32,037 --> 00:45:36,117 where I win a point and then take off my mask or, catch the, oh yeah. 876 00:45:36,177 --> 00:45:38,637 And I can do the breath out or I catch the ball and I just 877 00:45:38,637 --> 00:45:39,927 want everyone to cheer and we 878 00:45:39,971 --> 00:45:42,641 Kevin: I don't know if just old and cynical, but every time an actor 879 00:45:42,641 --> 00:45:47,081 like pulls off their mask like that, it, it to me goes, oh, up until 880 00:45:47,081 --> 00:45:48,671 this point it was a stunt person. 881 00:45:51,717 --> 00:45:52,677 Rob: No, that's not cynical. 882 00:45:52,677 --> 00:45:53,577 That's reality. 883 00:45:54,087 --> 00:45:57,027 been watching, you've been watching a lot of media. 884 00:45:57,177 --> 00:45:59,757 You know, when they're, they're doing, they're putting on masks. 885 00:45:59,757 --> 00:46:01,167 So the actor goes, I'm out. 886 00:46:01,167 --> 00:46:02,517 I can just this. 887 00:46:02,522 --> 00:46:02,602 I. 888 00:46:03,521 --> 00:46:04,406 Kevin: I'll be, I'll be in my trailer. 889 00:46:05,787 --> 00:46:09,177 Rob: It's like a interview with, um, they had Ben Affleck interviewing Matt 890 00:46:09,177 --> 00:46:12,867 Damon recently 'cause they're doing big press for their latest Netflix show. 891 00:46:13,227 --> 00:46:16,917 And um, Affleck was talking to Matt Damon about doing stunts 892 00:46:16,917 --> 00:46:17,967 and all that type of stuff. 893 00:46:17,967 --> 00:46:21,837 And he goes, man, no, I'm the anti Tom Cruise where Tom 894 00:46:21,837 --> 00:46:23,307 Cruise does all his stunts. 895 00:46:23,547 --> 00:46:26,667 They go, if I've got someone, if I, if someone's being paid to 896 00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:28,047 do stunts, I'll let 'em do it. 897 00:46:28,047 --> 00:46:30,777 He goes, but Bourne Identity that jump over there goes, that's another guy. 898 00:46:31,181 --> 00:46:32,876 Kevin: I didn't read those pages in the script. 899 00:46:34,272 --> 00:46:34,902 Rob: Didn't need to do it. 900 00:46:34,992 --> 00:46:36,372 I'm sitting back there in my trailer. 901 00:46:36,762 --> 00:46:41,262 Um, so yes, if you got the opportunity, but with my league, 902 00:46:41,352 --> 00:46:42,552 there are no stunt doubles. 903 00:46:42,642 --> 00:46:43,272 Okay. 904 00:46:43,872 --> 00:46:47,352 You'll be taking, you'll be wearing that mask and catching that ball and 905 00:46:47,352 --> 00:46:49,152 getting that cheer for whatever reason. 906 00:46:49,571 --> 00:46:50,111 Kevin: Yeah. 907 00:46:50,232 --> 00:46:51,672 Rob: No stunt double to fill that role. 908 00:46:53,216 --> 00:46:53,696 Kevin: All right. 909 00:46:53,696 --> 00:46:54,746 Well, thank you Rob. 910 00:46:54,746 --> 00:46:56,996 It was fun to talk sports with you. 911 00:46:56,996 --> 00:47:02,156 I know we are such big sports fans that it's hard to hold ourselves back most of 912 00:47:02,156 --> 00:47:08,996 the time, but this one episode we let out our true, our true sportsmen tendencies. 913 00:47:09,117 --> 00:47:12,357 Rob: And look, and we're even saving, uh, for a future episode where we 914 00:47:12,357 --> 00:47:16,287 talk about real sports in the future because I, I, I like that you went, 915 00:47:16,287 --> 00:47:21,327 let's just talk on future sports this episode, so we can save our, our talk 916 00:47:21,327 --> 00:47:24,207 of raquetball, our talk of water polo. 917 00:47:24,567 --> 00:47:26,697 Any other mention of a sport that's been brought up. 918 00:47:26,727 --> 00:47:30,177 We did a little bit of a hint with, uh, basketball, but, oh, 919 00:47:30,597 --> 00:47:32,097 just wait till we go even further. 920 00:47:32,981 --> 00:47:35,831 Kevin: Yeah, that whole episode of Voyager, uh, that's a 921 00:47:35,831 --> 00:47:37,431 boxing match with Chakotay. 922 00:47:38,757 --> 00:47:39,477 Rob: Yes. 923 00:47:39,507 --> 00:47:42,087 Is that or, or the one with, is that the one with The Rock? 924 00:47:42,781 --> 00:47:46,631 Kevin: No, no, that one, that one is, uh, that one's another one as well. 925 00:47:46,631 --> 00:47:46,961 That's with 926 00:47:46,977 --> 00:47:49,617 Rob: And that's with Seven of Nine going against The Rock. 927 00:47:49,737 --> 00:47:51,627 Yeah, with the bumps on his forehead. 928 00:47:52,167 --> 00:47:56,937 Um, well look, thank you for, for being so restrained over the last couple of years. 929 00:47:56,937 --> 00:47:58,167 Three years we've been doing this, 930 00:47:58,331 --> 00:47:59,321 Kevin: Yeah, indeed. 931 00:47:59,997 --> 00:48:00,237 Rob: Oh my 932 00:48:00,371 --> 00:48:01,691 Kevin: keep new Star Trek. 933 00:48:02,037 --> 00:48:04,737 Rob: They keep on doing it and we keep on wanting to talk about it. 934 00:48:04,917 --> 00:48:08,517 Well, we'll see how we go with more, you know, new Star Trek after this season. 935 00:48:08,997 --> 00:48:13,587 Um, but uh, yeah, thank you for holding back your sports up until now. 936 00:48:13,587 --> 00:48:14,547 Your sports love. 937 00:48:14,607 --> 00:48:18,987 And we'll put it back in the, back in the box until the future episode 938 00:48:18,987 --> 00:48:20,187 where we can bring it out again. 939 00:48:21,761 --> 00:48:24,191 Kevin: All right, well thank you, Rob, and until next week, 940 00:48:24,251 --> 00:48:25,481 I'll see you around the galaxy. 941 00:48:26,112 --> 00:48:26,862 Rob: Cannot wait.