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Hello and welcome to Pickleball Therapy,
the podcast dedicated to

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your pickleball improvement.

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It's the podcast that is
focused on your pickleball mind.

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I am your host of this
weekly podcast, Tony Roig.

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It's a pleasure to be with you.

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I hope you're having a great week so far.

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This week's podcast, we're going to be
visiting a topic that we've talked about a

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couple of times in the past, but
I was reminded of it

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recently doing some PPA work.

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As you may know, we're doing some
collaborations with the PPA, which is

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a professional pickleball association.

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And in doing some video review for a
project I was working on, I had come

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across some really good
interview answer by Anna Bright, I

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believe she's number two
player in the world right now.

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If not, she's up there, top five for sure.

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She's a very good pickleball player.

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And she, at the end of a match, and I'll
set it up for you a

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little bit, a little bit.

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But at the end of a match, she
expressed some of thoughts

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that just reminded me of how we
can have a better, a more constructive

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interaction with the sport that we play.

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And it reminded me also of a concept that
came out of the book,

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Mental Emotional Training for
Tennis: Compete, Learn, Honor by Coach

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Peter Skale, which is one of the seminal
books in my journey, in my mental

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journey as an athlete.

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And I'm going to share with you
some information on how to get...

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He did a workbook I spoke recently, and we
have a code that you

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can use to access that.
Actually, I'll go and give it to you now.

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So if you go down to the show notes,
there's a code in there that

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you can use to get 50 % off.

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I'm pretty sure it's 50 %, but
it'll be in the show notes.

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It's a high percentage
off of his playbook.

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And the idea, it's actually like a
workbook that you can use to

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help you through this process.

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I think you'll find it very helpful, and
so I would definitely check that out.

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If you do decide to use Coach Pete's
materials, please go to Amazon

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and give him a review on there.

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It really helps him to
reach other players.

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As you guys know from listening to this
podcast, when we ask for ratings and

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reviews, it just helps us
reach additional players.

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It's just the way that our
world is built these days.

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So If you can do that
for him, that'd be great.

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The code will not work on
Amazon, however, though.

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So the code needs to work on the
site that'll be in the show notes.

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So what I'm going to do now is let me set
it up for you, and then I'm going to play

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the audio from the
end of the match, and then we'll break it

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down and talk about
how that applies to us.

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So set up the match a little bit.

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Anna Bright plays with Rachel Rohrabacher,
Rachel is actually a local player here in

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the Tampa area, I've known
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I knew her when she was just getting
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been amazing to watch her rise.

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But Anna and Rachel play together, and
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Waters, and Katherine Prento.

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Anly and Katherine are a
dominant force in pickleball.

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In the women's tour, they
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You know, Anna and Rachel
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striking distance of Anly and Katherine.

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So Anna and Rachel had just beaten them in
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them in the next match
They had one game and this is in the

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final, so it's a gold medal match,
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So Anna and Rachel had one game number
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cruising, and then they
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3, and Anly and Katherine took those.

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And I'm not taking it through
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They played great.

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But if you watch Anna and Rachel, it
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There's a momentum change at three, three
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away from them a little bit.

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Then in game 4, it looked like Anna
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They were up 9-8 in game 4.

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That 9-8 score lasted like an hour.

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It didn't last that long,
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And then Anly and Katherine ended up
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believe it was 12: 10.

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And so you have
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match that for these players is there.

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It's how they earn a living.

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This is not just Tuesday
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the local courts, or at a
club, and things like that.

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It's also not
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Robin or something, or a league that we're
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This is how these folks make a living.

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And the result of this match impacts
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what they earn in that tournament, as well
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sponsorship and things like that.

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So it's important to think about that.

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It's relevant to think about that because
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perhaps a little more important in terms
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the results of our matches.

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But I want you to hear how Anna frames the
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about what happened in game 4 and how she
pivots the answer and provides a really

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good context that is going to help
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more long-lasting athlete, and can also
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when we're out on the court.

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Let's listen to the audio.

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On Championship Sunday, so Anna Bright and
Rachel Rohrabacher joining me now

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to pay off a great 2024 campaign.

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But let's go match-specific first game 4.

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Where did things start to
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We built ourselves a nice lead.

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I'm really proud of ourselves after
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But major kudos to Anna and Katherine.

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They locked back in there, and
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I think the both teams were stuck on 9-8
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able to get over the finish line.

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So major congrats to them.
We've had a great season.

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They've had a great season.
It's really special.

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Thank you to everyone for tuning
in and watching and cheering.

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It's really fun.

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Really fun to play these
matches, win or lose.

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Now, remember, this is at the end of a
gold medal match where they just lost game

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before in a very back and forth fashion.

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So just keep that in mind as we think
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heard from Anna just now.

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And then think about sometimes how we feel
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And we were playing with our friends in a
wreck situation or whatever, and we just

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lost the game and we feel like
the world is ending, or like we

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screwed up, or whatever it is.

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And let's break down the way that Anna
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of it, because I think it can really help
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losses, because losses will happen.

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So the first thing was how she pivoted.

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So the reporter asked a question about
how What happened in game four, right?

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The interview he
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It's a fine question.
There's nothing wrong with the question.

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But Anna doesn't really
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What happened in game 4?

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I missed a shot, they
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Instead, she goes very big picture, and
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view of the game, which is awesome.
She's reframing.

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That's the key there.

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That's something you can do after
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Instead of worrying so much about
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missed, whatever
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reason you lost that game, you pivot away
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bigger picture of the situation.

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into celebrating the back and forth,
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And that's what Coach Peter Scales talks
about in his book, which is his

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tenet is called Compete, Learn, Honor.

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That's what he developed, this
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So competing is one thing that we do,
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we compete, we give our best.

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We also understand
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and they are going to compete and do what?
Give their best, too.

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And that's the beauty of pickleball, is
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battle that we have between ourselves and
our opponents, us pushing them and them

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pushing us, which happened in this match
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Analee, and Katherine.

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Anna and Rachel had beaten Anly and
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and that was a push to Anly and Katherine
saying, Hey, guys, we're coming.

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And they started out
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Then Anly and Katherine turned
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Then in game Before Anna and Rachel dug
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they fought hard in game four.

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It didn't work out for them.

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It didn't turn out in their favor
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But they did, in fact, push each other
really hard in that game four with Anna,

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Lee, and Katherine coming out on top.

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And Anna recognizes that and respects that
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some stuff, and then
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That's the other thing
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So it's recognizing the value of
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opponent, understanding understanding that
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you're fighting, they're fighting, too.

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Anna says, Anly and Katherine,
they locked it down.

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They did what they had to do, and they
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That's pickleball, right?

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And So that's a really good reframing of
an outcome that is adverse to us, because

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there will be times that you will
be the victor in those situations.

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There'll be times that you'll be
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That is just part of life.

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That is part of the
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And if you're not ready to do that, then I
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is helpful to you because you're playing a
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and a sport is competition.

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And so that
recognition of her opponents and giving

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them credit is critical and
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There's no reason not to.

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Then she thanked everyone,
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There's other pieces to the puzzle that
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us on the court, more than just
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teammate, our partner in the game, there's
the opponents, there's those around us.

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So if you're playing an open play, for
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players who are there.

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So if a player behaves
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uncomfortable, that's going to reflect on
not just themselves, but that's going

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to impact everybody around there.

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There's also the organizers, there's
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All those people are necessary
for you to get enjoy the game.

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And in Anna's case, obviously, the
audience is important because they're

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playing professional sports, so she thanks
the audience, which is awesome,

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recognizing the bigger picture.

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And then what I really liked was the last
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going to quote it, right?

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She said, Really fun to play
these matches, win or lose.

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I'm going to read that one more time.

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Really fun to play these
matches, win or lose.

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She's focusing on the positive, of having
the opportunity to engage in this amazing

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sport of pickleball against
the best athletes in the world, against

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the best players in the world,
go out there, compete, give it your all.

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It's good win or lose.

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It's not good win only.

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And that's something that I think gets
lost sometimes when we play pickleball,

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is we end up in this mindset of,
pickleball is great, but only when we win.

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I'm going to tell you guys a side story
here that happened at Nationals

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a couple of years ago.
This was not in 24, it was in 23.

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It was a professional player.

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I won't say her name because I don't
have her permission to share it.

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It was a private conversation.

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But she's, at the time, I would say easily
top 20, maybe top 30, but top 20

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female pickleball player.

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And I happened to run into her, and I
didn't know her before, but she was

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sitting there next to the
courts where I was playing.

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And I just came up to her
and I said hello to her.

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And I told her that I really liked
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her play, that general stuff.

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But then I also told her that I
appreciated her style of play because it

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was a style of play that I used to help
our students, basically explaining how the

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positioning of the paddle and things like
that, it was super, and really

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appreciate her work and things like that.
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So I asked her, I said, Do you mind me?

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I don't want to be nosy, right?
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But I was like, Do you mind And
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So I said, Do you mind if
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And so I shared the idea
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If you haven't heard the bowl of ice
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down in the show notes.
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But basically, the premise of it is that
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like Anna said, win or lose because
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So when I explained to her the concept,
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of ice cream, there was pushback.

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And it was very polite pushback, very
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But the pushback was basically that
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a full bowl of ice cream.

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Because she hadn't played
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She didn't do what she wanted to do.

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So she doesn't get a
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But she did.
She got to give it a little bit.

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She was like, A little bit of ice cream.

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But that's not correct.

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And the reason it's not correct is because
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just by the fact that you get to play
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It's really fun to play these matches,
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It's not win only.

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And so when you can change your mindset
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order for me to enjoy this experience, I
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to a mindset of, that's a...

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Well, at its most basic level, the most
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I'm out here playing pickle Period.
End of story.

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There's nothing else.
I don't need to know anything else.

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Then you can say, I'm out here
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Fantastic.
I don't need anything else.

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Then you can say, I'm out here playing
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Fantastic.
Nothing else.

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I'm having front.

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I'm out here playing pickleball, having
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and competing, challenging myself.
That's fantastic.

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And you keep layering all
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I'm out in the sun.
I got to get out of the house.

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Whatever it is that's important to you,
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this, just add it to the Keep going.

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At the end, it's win or lose, win or lose,
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That's the thing we need to keep in mind.

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The reason it's important to keep it in
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into the win-only Yeah,
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If you can just remind yourself, just
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Just think yourself like, that
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Fill in the blanks with whatever is
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the end of your statement.

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Anyway, so I wanted to
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Again, check out Coach Peter
Scale's thinking on this.

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It really changes your perspective.

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There's those three elements or three
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Coach Pete, to me, is the best,
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And what I would say to you here is, at
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Anna's words, what she's doing
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bigger than you, bigger than Anna Bright,
bigger than Ben Johns, bigger

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than anybody who plays pickleball.

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The sport is bigger than any of us.

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So we honor the sport of pickleball.

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We honor our opponents, and by
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ourselves at the end of the day.

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So anyway, hope you enjoyed that
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words at the end of that tournament.

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I'll continue to look out for those types
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substance and helpful to us as we continue
to navigate our mental journeys together.

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As always, if there's any other coaching
that we can do for you inside our Better

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Pickable Community, Remember, this podcast
is part of the bigger

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Better Pickleball picture.
We are happy to do that.

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You can go to betterpickable.

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Com to find camps, to find other
activities that we have, other coaching

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opportunities that we have
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Around the time this podcast, not around,
a little bit So if this podcast drops,

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we will have our pickleball
system spring course opening.

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And if you've been waiting to do the
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do it because there's no time like now.

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That said, last thing I want to remind you
of is if you enjoy the podcast,

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share with your friends.

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Remember, if you enjoy the podcast,
they probably will too.

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Hope you have a great week,
and I'll see you next week in the

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next episode of Pickable Therapy.

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Be well..