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Lindsay: Hey guys.

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Welcome, welcome to
Lifting Lindsay Channel.

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I'm super, is this a channel?

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Is that what this is?

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The podcast.

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Podcast channel.

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Do people call it a channel?

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My husband tells me all the time, like,
you're, you're such a grandma with all

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things technology, and it is so true.

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I, I so am.

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I wear that badge loudly and proudly.

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I do.

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It's very loud.

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I think it's very obvious
for everyone around me.

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But anyways, okay, we're gonna be
talking about something fun, but

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semi controversial if you will.

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Should you be banding your hip thrusts
or glute bridges and, you know, I'm

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just gonna throw in there squats.

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Should you be banding your squats.

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So let's actually talk about the
why, why do people usually band?

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Because  I think that there are some
different reasons why people do it.

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Sometimes when people are learning
how to squat or they're learning hip

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thrust movements, what happens is the
adductors can kind of take over and pull.

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And what happens with that and how
we know that that's happening is

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because, the glutes may be weak
and the knees will start caving in.

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And so there are many people who
will say, we can use a really,

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really light band, not a heavy one.

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Don't use a heavy one.

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A really, really light band,
just to give people an awareness.

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I.

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That you, maybe we don't want
our knees coming in, right?

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One because maybe that person didn't
go to the coach saying, Hey, I, I

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really want really big adductors.

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So if we can just grow
them, that would be great.

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You know, most people when
you're like, why do you squat?

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They're not like adductors mo.

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Most women are like, I
want glutes, I want quads.

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Right?

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And so that's usually why.

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But what happens is the adductors
can kind of initiate, uh, helping you

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get out of the bottom of that squat.

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And so when that happens
and they contract, they

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kind of pull those knees in.

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So that is a really good, if you are a
coach and you see that, that tells you,

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either the glutes are really, really weak

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for the high load that
we're using for the person.

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Maybe they're not strong enough, their
glutes aren't strong enough for that load.

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Or maybe it's just an awareness thing.

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Maybe they just need help.

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Like, Hey, don't push out.

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Like maybe push out against,
don't allow your knees to cave in.

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Maybe just push out a
little bit against my hands.

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But most people don't wanna, you know,
face their client, you know, in the eyes.

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Descend down with them while holding
like kind of the outside of their knees,

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like push out against my hands, right?

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So for these coaches, they're like, yeah,
I'm just gonna wrap a band around a little

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bit higher than knees their knees, so
that they just have this little cue of

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keep your knees  not out per se, but
just we're trying to keep them in

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line with actually trailing your toes.

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We don't want them to cave in.

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So some people use it for that, but that's
something you graduate out of, right?

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You need that maybe a few times.

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And then if you're being coached
correctly, you're being mindful.

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You graduate out of that.

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You get out of that.

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And then once again, the band
is very, very, very, very light.

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And so that can be applied to
both, uh, hip thrusts and  squats.

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Now, in recent years, though, the past 10
years, bands are no longer now being used

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as a way for coaches to kind of cue, but
what a lot of people are thinking is, hey.

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I really want to build my upper glutes.

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I want to build my, you know, glute mead.

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I want to round out my glutes.

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And so I, I've got to work maybe
my glute mead a little bit more.

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And they do have,  an
element of abduction, you

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know, pushing the knees out.

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There is a, an element now, not
necessarily at a 90 degree, they're

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not gonna be the primary mover

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at 90 degrees, if you're sitting down.

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Like if you kind of have those abductor
machines where you sit down and you go,

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just go straight out, that's actually
gonna line your piriformis up more

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than it will necessarily your glute me.

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So if you wanna work your
glute me really, really well.

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Then, um, I'll actually put in the
notes,  some variations with both

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bands and, cable work and how we can
line those up really, really well.

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We don't want a ton of hip flexion.

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We actually want to be
standing up a bit more.

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But a lot of people have been thinking,
well, since there is this, this

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slight element of, and maybe they've
exaggerated, uh, the element of abduction

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for glute medias, then let's do.

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Two things at one time.

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Let's work the glute max with a squat,
and then also if we have bands around,

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then we can push out and also be
that's going to help work Glute meet.

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That's the general thought of why a
ton of women have been using bands

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is they're like, I'm gonna try
to get a little glute max, and a

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little glute mead at the same time.

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Now in the biomechanics world,
this has been debunked for

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many, many, many, many years.

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Uh, now some individuals have built
their entire career around bands, even

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selling bands, so we're probably not
gonna see them preach, oh, I was wrong.

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I just learned 'cause.

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You know, that's kind of what's
hard when people bet their entire

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livelihood off of like one exercise,
or one diet, or one machine, or

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one band or whatever, you know.

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When new information comes out
that challenges it, do you think

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that they're gonna be the first
ones to jump on the bandwagon?

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Or maybe the ones who give the
most resistance to it, right?

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So that's kind of hard.

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But anyway, I don't wanna speak badly
of anybody or throw anybody under the

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bus there, but I'm just letting you know
that of course, the person who has built

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their entire life, livelihood, their
entire income on banding everything

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is probably not gonna be on board.

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Of course, the individual who's written
all of the books again, like pro and

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teaching all of the benefits for fill in
the blank diet, when research comes out

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saying actually just a calorie deficit
is all as needed for all of these things.

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Actually, any calorie deficit
will give you the benefits

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that you listed in your book.

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Yet they're not gonna be like, oh, okay.

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They're usually going to.

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Fight it the most, right?

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Because this is their livelihood.

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So that's just a really good thing
to just kind of keep in the back

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of your head as you're scanning
through information on social media.

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But anyways, there was a study that,
uh, put this whole ban's idea to the

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test before I di dive into this study.

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Let me just say this one other thing.

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There are a a lot of people who have taken
the bands around the the knees for hip

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thrusts, for squats, and they've really
kind of thought, well, if I always have

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bands around my knees, then my glute
need upper glutes will always be working.

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So I all see people  literally
it's glute day and they'll post on

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social media glute day and they wear

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the band for every single exercise.

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Even like calf phrases.

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And so I think, you know, this study, if
not ignored by the masses, I, I am excited

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for people to kind of be excited that
now we have more data on this and maybe

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we're gonna choose a, a different method.

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That's actually going to line
up better with our goals.

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So a recent study put this
whole bands around the,  knees

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thing to the test, and they were
applying it to hip thrusts, okay?

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And what they found was that the EMG
reading failed to show any increase

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in activity in the glute mead.

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Isn't that interesting?

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But, but even more important
because high low A MG, we're kind of

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seeing over time that that doesn't
necessarily mean maybe it's pro or

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cons or you're gonna grow or not.

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MG is just, it's kind like the scale,
one tool, one tool of many, right?

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But that was one tool saying,
Hey, we're not seeing it.

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Any increase in activation.

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The biggest and most important part of
actually all of this study was that band

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usage actually decreased performance.

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Okay, well now performance is directly
correlated to growth to hypertrophy.

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So yeah, like listen up, this
is actually really important.

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When bands were used, it decreased
the load around 45 pounds or, or

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about 10 point a half to 12.5%.

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So load, your ability to load actually
dropped, so performance dropped.

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Why does that matter?

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Well, when we're trying to build
muscle, we need to create tension on

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the muscle we are trying to build.

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Decreasing the load decreases that.

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Okay.

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That's not a good thing.

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Okay.

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So that is really, really important.

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And then the, the conclusion of
the study, and we're gonna talk

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about maybe some pros and cons of
the study here in a minute, but the

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conclusion of the study by researchers.

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Was actually that, you know, they
conclude, okay, this is may not

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produce expected results and cannot
recommend using bands around these.

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And I completely agree with that.

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Uh, like I mentioned, this is something
that even within like going to

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biomechanics courses over the past,
six years, all of the leaders in that

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industry have come to the same conclusion.

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So now we're seeing, okay, now
there's studies saying the same thing.

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N one Education did some in-house testing,
on females, they saw the same exact thing.

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This is clearly just not a good
tool, and if anything can actually,

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decrease the likelihood of the
overall  optimization of the exercise.

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So you could take a quality, good
exercise like, you know, glute

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bridge, like the hip thrust.

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And you've now actually lowered
the quality of it by banding it.

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So it's not that like, well,
but it's not gonna hurt.

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It's like, oh, but no, no, that's
actually like exactly what the study said.

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It, like, it hurts it, like it, it makes
the actual exercise not as effective,

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so therefore, like we shouldn't do it.

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Like there's really no reason to do it.

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yeah, I agreed with the
author's conclusion.

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If you want to build glute media, then
it's best to do separate exercises

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that work abduction specifically.

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And like I said, I'm, I am going to, uh,
add in notes, some links to some Instagram

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posts that I've done on glut mead.

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Now oftentimes, so there's,
there's two other things that

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I wanna talk about with this.

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Some people read that study and they're
like, but this study was done on men,

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so therefore it doesn't apply to women.

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And I do agree that we need to
see more women studies being done.

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There are some types of studies
that the, that the sex is going

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to influence things far more.

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Uh, nutrition studies when
we're looking at hormones.

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I like different things like that.

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Like that is real.

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Yes, 100%.

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We need to see that.

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But a study like this, I, once again,
N one education did do in-house only

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on women and saw the exact same thing.

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A reduction in output, uh, no glute mead
activation, really like, so this has been

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actually, I don't wanna say replicated
'cause it wasn't the exact same study,

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but it was relatively similar and done
on women and it showed the same thing.

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But it's really important when we're
looking at things like biomechanics, it's

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actually not necessarily sex that makes
the huge difference, but actually kind of

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the mechanics of the individual, right?

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And as long as we can make sure that
the readings are in the correct place.

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So when they're, when they are
setting everything up for EMG to

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be able to read, is there higher
activation, like all of that?

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Well, we need to make sure that
the most important thing is,

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is this on the right muscle.

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And what's hilarious is I have literally
seen studies where they're like, well,

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we're looking at different divisions of
the chest, but then they had the it all on

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the wrong divisions and not even reading
like accurately the different divisions.

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So I've seen them do it, poorly,
but in this, the fact that

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it's like lowering output.

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This type of study where we're really
just looking at the biomechanics and

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hypertrophy, there's not going to
be these differences between the two

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sexes that would actually make this
irrelevant because it was done on men.

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Okay.

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So when we're looking at more exercise
selection type of, studies, that's

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not going to really influence it.

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Okay?

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So saying that this was done
on men, so therefore you should

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keep doing bands is not accurate.

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So another thing is women will say,
but I feel it more if I have bands on.

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I feel it more.

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So unfortunately feelings don't
equate to truth nor hypertrophy.

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Right.

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So a another thing that people
will say is, but so and so does it.

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And she has amazing glutes.

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one, a lot of those who rise to the top
on social media have incredible genetics.

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Now, I don't want to
demean anybody's hard work.

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I'm not saying that they
haven't worked hard.

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I'm not saying that they haven't
built out their glutes, but it's

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really, really important to understand
that correlation is not causation.

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Okay?

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And most women don't just walk in and do
hip thrusts with bands around their knees,

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and that's the only exercise that they do.

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And then for Glute day walk
out of the gym, am I right?

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They're doing way more exercises.

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In fact, sometimes I'm like,
I think what's hurting you is

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actually you're doing too much.

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Are you able to, like, every
day you're doing glute stuff

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that's not helping you, right?

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So you gotta let your,
your muscles recover.

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So it's really, really important
to understand that if they have

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done some really quality changes to
their glute need, then it, it's not

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necessarily because they banded  their
hip thrust and that's the only way.

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It guaranteed they're doing
a lot of other exercises too.

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So that is one thing that sometimes
I get slightly like, uh, okay,

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well we've gotta teach this better
because just because somebody out

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there has a really, really nice body.

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And they do a really, really
poor exercise like frog pumps.

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Remember when frog pumps were big?

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Every single time I talk about frog
pumps, I have physical therapists

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writing me saying, thank you.

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Please tell people, please
keep telling people.

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Stop it.

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Stop doing the frog pumps.

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So just because they do that one
exercise, remember that it's not in,

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you're not looking at it in isolation.

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They're doing a ton of other exercises
as well, so we cannot say that it was

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that one exercise that got them there.

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Unless we cut out, we detrained
them and we cut out all movements.

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Except for that one.

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Except for that one, right.

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That's, that's the only
way we can say that.

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It was that one movement, that
one exercise, that one band

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that did something like that.

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There's just too many other
variables that we have to

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consider when we're looking at it.

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So am I anti band?

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I don't like, I love you guys.

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I just wanna put information out there.

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You take it, you apply it to you.

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Is it helping?

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No.

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Is it hurting?

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It seems to be.

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Um.

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Is it a tool that trainers can use maybe
to help a newbie kind of learn for Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I do actually think it is, and it can
be used wisely, but it appears in, um.

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Things like, you know, hip,
hip thrusts and squats.

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Like, we're really not doing
these two things at once.

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Like we think we are,
we're just really not.

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Um, and so it's better to just to
choose one exercise to really nail

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the glutes and then, I mean, not one
exercise, but here, wait, scratch that.

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It's better to choose exercises
of like, okay, this is glute max.

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Choose exercise where you
want to build the glute meat.

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Okay, this one.

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It's primarily Glu Mead.

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I swear whenever in life we're like,
I'm gonna do 2, 3, 4 things at once.

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It's like, uh, but you don't
do any of them as well.

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You just don't.

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And this study kind of shows the
same thing if we're trying to do

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it all, it's like, uh, but you're
trying to do hip extension and

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abduction at the exact same time.

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Like they're fighting motions.

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You're trying, like that's
just not going to be optimal.

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So just choose hip extension
and work that and abduction

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and really work and nail that.

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So thank you so much for joining me
today on the Lifting Lindsay podcast.

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You know, if you are interested in
optimized training, banded work is

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something that you're just not gonna find,
you're not gonna find in my programming

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because, this is just something that
we've known for a, a really long time

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and now we're kind of seeing a little bit
more studies rolling out, showing this.

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So if you're interested in optimized
training programs, you can always go

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to, uh, be strong lifting Lindsey.

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