The Words Matter Podcast with Oliver Thomson

Dr Peter Stilwell and Dr Oliver Thomson discuss the limitations of BPS model and how enactivism might offer stronger theoretical foundations to conceptualise and manage musculoskeletal pain.

Show Notes

Welcome to another episode of The Words Matter Podcast.

On this episode I speak with Dr Peter Stilwell. Peter holds a Kinesiology degree from the University of Calgary, Doctor of Chiropractic degree from the Canadian Memorial Chiropractic College, and graduate degrees (MSc and PhD) from Dalhousie University.

He is currently a Postdoctoral Researcher at McGill University and his research interests include pain, suffering, and patient-clinician communication. 

Many of you will be familiar with Peter’s excellent paper with Katherine Hartman on moving beyond the BPS model toward a 5-E enactivist approach to understanding and managing MSK pain.

In problematising the BPS model in the way that it did, the paper really caused me to reflect on how I viewed and implemented the spirit of BPS  into my work. I know that the paper was a similar stimulus for many other of my own colleagues and clinicians across the MSK professions.

So in this episode we:
  • Delve into some of the underlying assumptions and lack of theoretical foundations of the BPS model and how enactivism addresses these gaps.
  • We talk about some of the issues of the BPS model in regards to its vagueness in its application and its tendency to crudely separate out complex component properties of the experience of pain.
  • We also get into metaphors and how his qualitative research has illuminated the way in which metaphors are used and interpreted by both clinicians and patients.
Whilst it was my intention to drill down into his paper and enactivist model, time got the better of us- and I’ll be sure to invite Peter on for a follow up episode.

As ever with these podcasts, I enjoyed every minute of talking with Peter. His expression “I just wants to do it all” exemplifies his passion, determination and productivity in the furthering if knowledge in person-centred MSK practice.

His excitement and hunger is both palpable and infectious and have no doubt he will further build on his already significant contribution to knowledge in this area.

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And more about his work here

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What is The Words Matter Podcast with Oliver Thomson?

The Words Matter Podcast brings you insights, reflections and conversations focused on the latest evidence, theory, philosophy and practice of communication-focused healthcare.

Find out about the more tacit, 'softer' and personal side of clinical practice such as the role of philosophy, beliefs, behaviours, developing therapeutic relationships or the purposeful use of language with people experiencing pain from expert academics, clinicians and researchers from across the world and spanning the musculoskeletal disciplines. This podcast will help you reflect on your own current practice and inform and stimulate you to consider new ways of approaching your practice and patients, to create a better clinical experience and outcomes in people with musculoskeletal pain.

Hosted by Dr Oliver Thomson PhD, an osteopath and Associate Professor who is passionate about researching and educating clinicians on a revised narrative, communication and biopsychosocial approach to musculoskeletal therapy. If you like the podcast, subscribe and check out the online learning and resources at www.wordsmatter-education.com.

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