WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.080 Fitz: I just immediately 00:00:01.379 --> 00:00:03.900 had the experience of being on the outs of an in joke 00:00:04.850 --> 00:00:05.629 , and actually 00:00:05.629 --> 00:00:08.610 not being aware if it was an in joke or just watching my friend's 00:00:08.610 --> 00:00:09.540 brains meltdown. 00:00:10.650 --> 00:00:12.870 Alison: Our brains are really melty right now. 00:00:12.870 --> 00:00:14.940 They are like some stringy ass cheese. 00:00:14.940 --> 00:00:15.900 Matt: So that is the truth. 00:00:15.900 --> 00:00:17.100 Our brands are definitely melt. 00:00:17.775 --> 00:00:22.105 Melted because we just got back from G-G-G-GaryCon. 00:00:22.105 --> 00:00:25.254 GaryCon. 00:00:25.275 --> 00:00:25.545 Oh, right. 00:00:25.745 --> 00:00:26.185 Noise. 00:00:26.185 --> 00:00:28.635 G-G-G-GaryCon. 00:00:30.345 --> 00:00:31.125 That actually works. 00:00:31.125 --> 00:00:31.935 Making a good noise. 00:00:31.940 --> 00:00:32.145 Yeah. 00:00:32.655 --> 00:00:32.885 Fitz: I know. 00:00:32.885 --> 00:00:35.105 We're trusting Matt with the soundboard because we can't hear. 00:00:35.105 --> 00:00:35.625 Matt: Exactly. 00:00:36.405 --> 00:00:37.225 They're like, hmm. 00:00:37.230 --> 00:00:38.265 Strange, interesting. 00:00:38.270 --> 00:00:39.285 Uninteresting pause. 00:00:39.705 --> 00:00:46.155 Um, so for people listening to the show, we're just gonna make a blanket, not, 00:00:46.215 --> 00:00:48.525 you know, apology, not apology, right? 00:00:48.525 --> 00:00:56.475 Because we want, uh, to put this special edition of ADHd20 out. 00:00:57.090 --> 00:01:02.430 Uh, ADHd20 being a podcast that tries to find the intersection 00:01:02.430 --> 00:01:10.389 between ADHD&D&D, TTRPGs and TTRPGs. 00:01:10.410 --> 00:01:11.430 Alison: We're off to a great start. 00:01:11.430 --> 00:01:11.759 Yeah. 00:01:11.850 --> 00:01:16.290 This is actually the first episode of ADHd20 that you and I have recorded 00:01:16.759 --> 00:01:17.470 In the same room. 00:01:17.470 --> 00:01:18.540 Matt: In the same room. 00:01:18.660 --> 00:01:19.079 Yes. 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.500 So that's why the sound is different, and that's why we're not 00:01:22.500 --> 00:01:23.850 gonna do a whole ton of editing. 00:01:23.850 --> 00:01:25.920 And we're gonna start this little Time Timer. 00:01:25.980 --> 00:01:26.220 Mm-hmm. 00:01:26.550 --> 00:01:27.900 Um, right now. 00:01:27.905 --> 00:01:31.530 Alison: This is give herself that this ADHd20 gone wild. 00:01:31.530 --> 00:01:32.759 This is feral. 00:01:32.765 --> 00:01:33.390 Matt: This is feral. 00:01:33.870 --> 00:01:34.770 That's, that's even better. 00:01:34.770 --> 00:01:35.850 This is feral. 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.270 A…H…Feral… 00:01:38.295 --> 00:01:38.535 Alison: Adhd. 00:01:38.535 --> 00:01:41.195 Fitz: We can't even say ADHd20. 00:01:41.505 --> 00:01:41.835 Wow. 00:01:41.895 --> 00:01:42.315 Everybody. 00:01:42.315 --> 00:01:49.405 Alison: Welcome to the feral episode of ADHd20, the FeralWild. 00:01:49.545 --> 00:01:52.965 Matt: But yes, we wanted to put this out as quickly as possible because 00:01:53.025 --> 00:01:58.005 while it was fresh in our minds, our experience at GaryCon, as you can 00:01:58.005 --> 00:02:03.005 also hear in my voice, I've got some kind of cruft, probably from GaryCon. 00:02:03.945 --> 00:02:06.165 The Croup-a-ha, Con Crud. 00:02:07.035 --> 00:02:07.845 Con Crud. 00:02:07.905 --> 00:02:09.675 Alison: We got con Well, you have Con Crud. 00:02:09.675 --> 00:02:10.665 Fitz: Yeah, I can feel it. 00:02:10.925 --> 00:02:12.555 I can feel it emerging slowly. 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:13.015 Oh no. 00:02:13.105 --> 00:02:14.025 Alison: So, oh no. 00:02:14.025 --> 00:02:16.215 The beautiful voice that you're hearing, that's not 00:02:16.215 --> 00:02:16.825 Matt: Mine or Matt's. 00:02:16.845 --> 00:02:19.605 Who is the beautiful voice that you're hearing That's not Mine or Matt's? 00:02:20.535 --> 00:02:21.015 It's 00:02:21.165 --> 00:02:21.655 Alison: Fitz. 00:02:23.760 --> 00:02:24.490 Matt: This is Fitz 00:02:24.510 --> 00:02:24.990 Alison: Everybody. 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:27.780 Our lorekeeper live in studio with us. 00:02:27.810 --> 00:02:28.980 Yes, it's incredible. 00:02:28.985 --> 00:02:30.450 Fitz: I I am starstruck. 00:02:30.780 --> 00:02:32.010 Alison: She does exist. 00:02:32.070 --> 00:02:34.950 If any, if anybody out there thought that Matt and I were just being funny and had 00:02:34.950 --> 00:02:36.900 an imaginary friend, we don't, we don't. 00:02:36.930 --> 00:02:38.730 She's a real, real human. 00:02:38.730 --> 00:02:40.470 Matt: She's a real live girl. 00:02:40.530 --> 00:02:41.280 Fitz: Can I be honest? 00:02:41.310 --> 00:02:41.490 Yeah. 00:02:41.490 --> 00:02:42.630 With the audience. 00:02:42.720 --> 00:02:42.930 Yeah. 00:02:43.470 --> 00:02:43.770 Guys. 00:02:43.770 --> 00:02:44.640 They paid me to be here. 00:02:44.640 --> 00:02:46.140 I don't know who this Fitz person is. 00:02:50.910 --> 00:02:52.140 Alison: Off to a great start? 00:02:52.140 --> 00:02:52.590 Matt: Great. 00:02:52.950 --> 00:02:53.760 Oh boy. 00:02:53.850 --> 00:02:54.630 Yes. 00:02:54.690 --> 00:02:56.010 The truth comes out. 00:02:56.430 --> 00:02:58.310 There is no Fitz. 00:02:59.370 --> 00:03:00.540 She's our Canadian girlfriend. 00:03:00.540 --> 00:03:01.750 She's our Canadian Canadian girlfriend. 00:03:06.330 --> 00:03:08.040 Alison: Our collective Canadian girlfriend. 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:08.710 Matt: It's true, it's true. 00:03:08.710 --> 00:03:09.110 Fitz: Honored. 00:03:09.115 --> 00:03:10.620 Honored to be the imaginary. 00:03:10.920 --> 00:03:11.280 Matt: Yes. 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.340 We, we had to go, we had to, uh, Fitz had to join us. 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.460 Um, we were, we were hoping that, uh, brother Evan would be able to 00:03:17.490 --> 00:03:21.420 go as well, but no, but we, we, we, you know, made the best of it. 00:03:21.750 --> 00:03:25.320 And we're here today to talk about GaryCon, 2023. 00:03:25.380 --> 00:03:25.470 Mm-hmm. 00:03:25.710 --> 00:03:26.610 , which just happened. 00:03:26.760 --> 00:03:30.780 We just got back last night and, uh, yeah. 00:03:31.440 --> 00:03:39.150 Um, but before we start that, of course, right, we have to in person D 100. 00:03:41.220 --> 00:03:45.000 Someday we'll have a theme song for just the D 100 table. 00:03:45.180 --> 00:03:46.560 Alison: Now are we all gonna roll or are we just gonna 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.480 have our, um, our guest roll? 00:03:48.480 --> 00:03:49.050 Matt: I think we should. 00:03:49.170 --> 00:03:49.890 I I like that. 00:03:49.890 --> 00:03:51.300 I like, our guest should roll. 00:03:51.330 --> 00:03:54.930 We're actually stealing this from an idea that Fitz uh, and Evan have 00:03:55.200 --> 00:03:57.360 in their upcoming podcast spoilers. 00:03:57.365 --> 00:03:58.010 Fitz: Spoiler alert. 00:03:58.180 --> 00:03:59.050 Spoiler alert. 00:03:59.370 --> 00:04:00.390 Heard it here first. 00:04:00.760 --> 00:04:03.930 I mean, so wait, are we all gonna answer the same question? 00:04:04.530 --> 00:04:04.680 Wild? 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:05.820 Matt: Well, you know, we could do that. 00:04:05.820 --> 00:04:07.380 We could answer the same question. 00:04:07.380 --> 00:04:07.650 Alison: Same question. 00:04:08.430 --> 00:04:08.700 What? 00:04:08.760 --> 00:04:09.400 What Feral, 00:04:09.420 --> 00:04:10.729 Fitz: Even feral. 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:10.950 Yeah. 00:04:10.950 --> 00:04:12.150 I'm gonna, I'm gonna go crazy. 00:04:12.150 --> 00:04:13.380 Wait, no, that's not the, they're, 00:04:13.385 --> 00:04:16.650 Alison: I guess, listeners, I'm currently watching Fitz's Brain Break as she 00:04:16.650 --> 00:04:18.640 tries to choose dice from Matt's tray. 00:04:18.690 --> 00:04:19.410 Look, they're just so, 00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:20.910 Fitz: Okay. 00:04:20.910 --> 00:04:20.911 Okay. 00:04:20.970 --> 00:04:21.810 So many pretty, there we go. 00:04:21.810 --> 00:04:22.230 We're gonna go. 00:04:22.230 --> 00:04:23.220 These are really lovely. 00:04:25.020 --> 00:04:25.200 Okay. 00:04:27.090 --> 00:04:27.810 21. 00:04:27.810 --> 00:04:30.150 I was really hoping I'd get 69 again. 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:31.210 Matt: Nice. 00:04:31.215 --> 00:04:31.950 Nice. 00:04:32.940 --> 00:04:38.099 Uh, Fitz, what is one topic that you researched so thoroughly during 00:04:38.099 --> 00:04:43.290 a moment of hyperfocus that you are now an accidental expert on it? 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:45.550 Fitz: Well, guess what, as the lorekeeper. 00:04:45.570 --> 00:04:53.729 I know that this question has been asked before, but I can't answer it. 00:04:58.940 --> 00:04:59.430 Matt: Okay. 00:04:59.430 --> 00:05:00.900 So we do it, do we roll again? 00:05:01.050 --> 00:05:01.710 Fitz: I can roll again. 00:05:01.710 --> 00:05:02.830 Yeah, let's, let's get something new. 00:05:02.830 --> 00:05:03.349 Let's get something new. 00:05:03.349 --> 00:05:04.500 Let's get something new and fresh. 00:05:04.530 --> 00:05:06.390 Alison: Really good job with your job, though. 00:05:06.450 --> 00:05:06.719 Matt: I know. 00:05:06.719 --> 00:05:07.349 That was wonderful. 00:05:07.349 --> 00:05:08.010 That was wonderful. 00:05:08.070 --> 00:05:11.290 Fitz: You know what, I have one job and it's to be y'all's lorekeeper. 00:05:11.290 --> 00:05:11.849 Alison: And friend. 00:05:12.840 --> 00:05:13.349 Fitz: 42. 00:05:13.590 --> 00:05:14.190 42. 00:05:14.190 --> 00:05:15.359 Wait, I do, I just doubled the dice. 00:05:15.390 --> 00:05:16.260 Nice. 00:05:16.260 --> 00:05:17.400 I crit on this table. 00:05:18.150 --> 00:05:18.719 Matt: Oh no. 00:05:18.719 --> 00:05:21.810 And this doesn't even really apply to our guest. 00:05:22.620 --> 00:05:27.479 If you could choose to not have ADHD, would you, why or why not? 00:05:27.870 --> 00:05:30.270 Fitz: You know, we can flip, we'll flip, boom, flip it. 00:05:30.359 --> 00:05:30.690 Okay. 00:05:31.470 --> 00:05:38.450 If I could choose to not have OCD, absolutely I would not have it. 00:05:38.500 --> 00:05:42.460 It is, it does give you superpowers. 00:05:42.460 --> 00:05:42.520 Yeah. 00:05:42.640 --> 00:05:45.700 Like ADHD with the hyperfocus and things like that. 00:05:46.060 --> 00:05:51.340 But at its core, it's an anxiety based disorder. 00:05:51.340 --> 00:05:51.820 Yeah. 00:05:52.090 --> 00:05:57.910 And you know, it would just be lovely to not, you know, you know what would 00:05:57.910 --> 00:06:04.330 be great would be to go to a Con and be able to sit on a soft surface without 00:06:04.330 --> 00:06:06.790 my brain going, this is contaminated. 00:06:10.750 --> 00:06:11.350 So, yeah. 00:06:11.355 --> 00:06:14.980 Not to be depressing about it, but, you know, it would, it 00:06:14.980 --> 00:06:18.460 just, it puts like a filter over. 00:06:18.550 --> 00:06:18.760 Yeah. 00:06:18.820 --> 00:06:22.420 General day-to-day life things that would be wonderful to not have. 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:22.720 Yeah. 00:06:23.245 --> 00:06:23.575 You know? 00:06:23.665 --> 00:06:24.055 Matt: I hear you. 00:06:24.145 --> 00:06:25.255 Yeah, I hear you. 00:06:25.795 --> 00:06:27.025 Fitz: So let's bring the mood. 00:06:32.755 --> 00:06:34.045 Alison: Jumping into the deep end. 00:06:34.195 --> 00:06:34.835 I love it. 00:06:34.835 --> 00:06:35.195 Matt: Yep. 00:06:35.195 --> 00:06:35.395 Yep. 00:06:35.395 --> 00:06:36.235 Jump in. 00:06:36.235 --> 00:06:37.915 Well, I, I guess we could enter this too. 00:06:38.095 --> 00:06:38.185 Mm-hmm. 00:06:38.635 --> 00:06:44.905 um, uh, if I could not have OCD, uh, ADHD, sorry. 00:06:45.025 --> 00:06:45.205 Kidding. 00:06:45.595 --> 00:06:48.955 Uh, if I, if I didn't, yeah, I guess I would choose. 00:06:49.195 --> 00:06:51.055 Here's the thing, it's complicated though. 00:06:51.085 --> 00:06:51.175 Mm-hmm. 00:06:51.415 --> 00:06:55.825 Because I am fully aware that ADHD makes me who I am. 00:06:55.825 --> 00:06:56.095 Correct. 00:06:56.215 --> 00:06:56.275 Yeah. 00:06:56.275 --> 00:06:58.975 I'm fully aware that OCD makes you who you are. 00:06:59.005 --> 00:07:01.015 Fitz: It's tough cuz it's your brain, it's your personality. 00:07:01.015 --> 00:07:03.268 So it's your brain and personality's completely different person without it. 00:07:03.318 --> 00:07:06.288 Matt: Lindsay and I, my wife, who is profoundly deaf, and I 00:07:06.288 --> 00:07:07.518 talk about this all the time. 00:07:07.638 --> 00:07:07.728 Mm-hmm. 00:07:08.478 --> 00:07:10.038 Lindsay would not be Lindsay. 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:11.590 Would we have ever met? 00:07:11.710 --> 00:07:11.800 Mm-hmm. 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:13.690 Would she be the same person? 00:07:13.750 --> 00:07:14.380 So, no. 00:07:14.410 --> 00:07:18.250 So, you know, so that is, it is, it is a loaded question. 00:07:18.250 --> 00:07:21.260 And that is on you two, because you two came up with that question. 00:07:21.260 --> 00:07:26.560 Whoops, oops. 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:27.860 So I don't know. 00:07:27.890 --> 00:07:31.840 I mean, I think, I think if we could take away the parts 00:07:32.590 --> 00:07:34.240 that didn't feel as super, yep. 00:07:35.110 --> 00:07:36.940 I think that would be real nice. 00:07:36.945 --> 00:07:37.100 Yeah. 00:07:37.100 --> 00:07:37.420 Mm-hmm. 00:07:37.500 --> 00:07:38.020 , I'm proud. 00:07:38.020 --> 00:07:42.180 It's probably not great for me to take stimulants, all the time. 00:07:42.320 --> 00:07:44.860 Fitz: Just as a general rule. 00:07:44.860 --> 00:07:46.060 Matt: We'll find out, I guess. 00:07:46.300 --> 00:07:48.100 But no, I, you know, yeah. 00:07:48.130 --> 00:07:50.680 I think if I could pick and choose. 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:51.280 Yep. 00:07:51.610 --> 00:07:52.360 That would be nice. 00:07:52.990 --> 00:07:58.820 And Alison, bring us up, please, for the love of God, help help us. 00:07:59.320 --> 00:08:02.110 Alison: Well, interestingly enough, if I was actually thinking about that as, as 00:08:02.110 --> 00:08:06.237 you were talking about, Uh, I would want to pick and choose the facets of ADHD that 00:08:06.237 --> 00:08:08.457 I would like to keep versus leave behind. 00:08:08.487 --> 00:08:08.637 Yeah. 00:08:08.897 --> 00:08:12.387 And, and so for me, the number one that I would want to go out the fucking 00:08:12.398 --> 00:08:16.377 door that I drive myself crazy with and know that I drive everybody that 00:08:16.377 --> 00:08:17.997 I love crazy with is the impulsivity. 00:08:18.002 --> 00:08:18.057 Yeah. 00:08:18.087 --> 00:08:23.277 I really wish I could be less impulsive and l I promise anybody 00:08:23.277 --> 00:08:25.707 listening that doesn't know this about me yet, I don't do it on purpose. 00:08:25.707 --> 00:08:28.947 There's no part of me that wants to be constantly like interrupting and 00:08:28.947 --> 00:08:30.897 just like flying off the handle. 00:08:30.957 --> 00:08:33.237 I just, you know, it gets in my way a lot. 00:08:33.237 --> 00:08:33.297 Yeah. 00:08:33.297 --> 00:08:34.257 And I recognize that. 00:08:34.587 --> 00:08:38.847 But there are other facets of ADHD that I've managed to make my entire personality 00:08:38.847 --> 00:08:41.727 that I think are darling and that wouldn't, I wouldn't be Alison without. 00:08:41.727 --> 00:08:47.487 So I guess if, if I could pick and choose impulsivity is gotta go and I'll, I'll 00:08:47.487 --> 00:08:51.537 keep some of the other parts, but if it's all or nothing, I'm gonna keep it. 00:08:51.987 --> 00:08:52.347 Matt: Okay. 00:08:52.827 --> 00:08:53.967 Yeah, exactly. 00:08:54.057 --> 00:08:54.537 Exactly. 00:08:54.777 --> 00:08:54.897 Mm-hmm. 00:08:54.897 --> 00:08:55.077 I would, yeah. 00:08:55.077 --> 00:08:55.597 Yeah, yeah. 00:08:55.627 --> 00:08:56.277 I think so. 00:08:56.347 --> 00:08:56.997 I think so. 00:08:56.997 --> 00:08:57.197 Yeah. 00:08:57.197 --> 00:08:59.117 I would, I would, I would love to. 00:09:00.102 --> 00:09:01.692 Get rid of the second guessing. 00:09:01.692 --> 00:09:07.542 I would love to get rid of the, of the inability to do the same thing twice. 00:09:07.662 --> 00:09:07.722 Yeah. 00:09:08.262 --> 00:09:09.102 In my ever. 00:09:09.102 --> 00:09:11.832 Alison: Like you, Fitz, I would get rid of the anxiety, the things that 00:09:11.832 --> 00:09:15.972 crippled me for absolutely no reason that I, in a saner quieter space, I 00:09:15.972 --> 00:09:20.112 recognize as a, you know, a something I made a really big deal out of nothing. 00:09:20.172 --> 00:09:20.382 Yeah. 00:09:20.382 --> 00:09:20.472 Mm-hmm. 00:09:20.832 --> 00:09:24.912 But, so maybe we all just wanna get rid of our anxiety and not our O C D and adhd. 00:09:24.912 --> 00:09:25.692 Matt: Sure, yeah. 00:09:25.692 --> 00:09:26.712 The comorbid parts. 00:09:26.712 --> 00:09:27.402 Yeah, exactly. 00:09:27.407 --> 00:09:28.062 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:09:28.062 --> 00:09:28.902 That's what we're talking about. 00:09:29.022 --> 00:09:32.152 If, if we could, if we could remove the more comorbid elements 00:09:32.622 --> 00:09:34.572 of this, that would be cool. 00:09:34.692 --> 00:09:37.152 Alison: But, you know, there's also something exciting about being impulsive. 00:09:37.152 --> 00:09:38.142 I'm never bored. 00:09:38.352 --> 00:09:38.622 Right. 00:09:38.622 --> 00:09:40.022 I'm, yeah, exactly. 00:09:40.732 --> 00:09:43.462 I, I have not known boredom in decades at this point. 00:09:43.462 --> 00:09:43.982 Fitz: What does that like? 00:09:44.112 --> 00:09:44.562 Alison: Right. 00:09:44.562 --> 00:09:45.132 I love it. 00:09:45.192 --> 00:09:45.912 Matt: It's amazing. 00:09:46.062 --> 00:09:47.322 That, that I love mm-hmm. 00:09:47.562 --> 00:09:48.012 Deeply. 00:09:48.067 --> 00:09:49.027 Fitz: I need to pick that up. 00:09:49.087 --> 00:09:49.387 Yeah. 00:09:49.457 --> 00:09:49.897 Yeah. 00:09:50.017 --> 00:09:50.557 Can I trade? 00:09:50.647 --> 00:09:51.787 You want, you guys want a trade? 00:09:51.997 --> 00:09:53.197 Like little, like trading cards? 00:09:53.197 --> 00:09:54.777 Alison: I mean, what if we just have the focus? 00:09:54.777 --> 00:09:56.737 Like what if we just, you know, okay. 00:09:56.737 --> 00:09:58.687 We didn't have to take on yours, but we could give you some of ours. 00:09:58.837 --> 00:10:02.047 Fitz: Oh, so you're saying that my, I don't have any superpowers? 00:10:02.447 --> 00:10:06.457 Matt: I, no, I'm, I'm actually gonna probably talk about one of your, my 00:10:06.847 --> 00:10:11.257 assumed superpowers that you have uhhuh possibly due to your ocd. 00:10:11.287 --> 00:10:11.437 Yeah. 00:10:11.467 --> 00:10:11.947 In a minute. 00:10:12.017 --> 00:10:12.497 Okay. 00:10:12.497 --> 00:10:12.937 Sure. 00:10:12.942 --> 00:10:13.087 Okay. 00:10:13.357 --> 00:10:17.407 So with that slowly brightening choo train going uphill? 00:10:19.507 --> 00:10:21.777 Fitz: Start, we trauma dogs and now we're going, 00:10:21.907 --> 00:10:25.097 Alison: We have experienced our sheer trauma and now let us, wonderful. 00:10:25.897 --> 00:10:26.977 Good job everybody. 00:10:28.717 --> 00:10:29.977 This is gonna be so fun to edit. 00:10:30.067 --> 00:10:31.837 Matt: This is gonna be so fun to chaotic. 00:10:31.867 --> 00:10:33.637 We're not gonna edit, we're not gonna edit anything. 00:10:34.567 --> 00:10:34.837 Okay. 00:10:35.047 --> 00:10:36.217 So we have a little list here. 00:10:36.457 --> 00:10:37.397 Um, GaryCon. 00:10:37.417 --> 00:10:40.517 So for those of you who don't know, what is GaryCon? 00:10:41.287 --> 00:10:44.962 Alison: GaryCon is an event that takes place in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, 00:10:45.262 --> 00:10:50.722 which is the home of, uh, Dungeons and Dragons creator, but not really, 00:10:50.722 --> 00:10:52.072 Matt learned some new things. 00:10:52.462 --> 00:10:54.402 Matt: He is definitely one of the creators. 00:10:54.402 --> 00:10:56.122 Alison: One of the creators of Dungeons and Dragons. 00:10:56.122 --> 00:10:59.002 Really, the one who brought into the form as we know it today, 00:10:59.002 --> 00:11:00.382 gave it a lot of its shape. 00:11:00.442 --> 00:11:04.912 And so his family, his son, Luke Gygax and, and other members have, 00:11:04.972 --> 00:11:06.112 I don't even know for how long. 00:11:06.117 --> 00:11:09.922 I should have done my research, been hosting this convention. 00:11:10.002 --> 00:11:13.512 So, uh, how we kind of got here is, you know, as we've obviously, 00:11:13.512 --> 00:11:16.362 so we've just talked about how we managed to make our, you know, uh, 00:11:16.392 --> 00:11:17.982 neuro spiciness our personality. 00:11:18.252 --> 00:11:18.732 We also... 00:11:18.882 --> 00:11:19.362 2009. 00:11:19.362 --> 00:11:19.602 Okay. 00:11:19.662 --> 00:11:19.812 Yeah. 00:11:19.962 --> 00:11:22.842 We also managed to make Dungeons and Dragons our entire personality. 00:11:23.022 --> 00:11:27.492 So I went to, uh, a Critical Role Facebook Group, and I said, what 00:11:27.492 --> 00:11:29.112 are the best conventions to go to? 00:11:29.622 --> 00:11:31.932 And everybody said, if you wanna play, if that's why you 00:11:31.932 --> 00:11:33.342 want to go to a Con, mm-hmm. 00:11:33.582 --> 00:11:36.242 Because there's lots of nerd Cons out there, go to GaryCon. 00:11:37.032 --> 00:11:38.442 And it was exactly as described. 00:11:38.472 --> 00:11:38.532 Yeah. 00:11:38.537 --> 00:11:42.672 Just rooms upon, rooms upon rooms of people playing not only Dungeons 00:11:42.672 --> 00:11:47.112 and Dragons, but a whole wealth of tabletop role playing games. 00:11:47.117 --> 00:11:47.292 Yeah. 00:11:47.297 --> 00:11:49.692 And I mean, there were also board games, card games, yeah. 00:11:49.692 --> 00:11:49.932 Mm-hmm. 00:11:50.012 --> 00:11:52.542 All kinds of, so there were, there were scheduled games, and then there 00:11:52.547 --> 00:11:55.272 were just like pickup games where you could just walk up to a table 00:11:55.272 --> 00:11:57.072 and say, Hey man, what you playing? 00:11:57.132 --> 00:11:58.842 And, and, and learn something new. 00:11:58.902 --> 00:11:58.992 Mm-hmm. 00:11:59.237 --> 00:11:59.292 . Yeah. 00:11:59.292 --> 00:11:59.772 Yeah. 00:12:00.252 --> 00:12:03.162 So we decided to, we, we purposefully set our schedule. 00:12:03.507 --> 00:12:07.827 We, we put it on one D&D 5e game and decided we were gonna play some 00:12:07.827 --> 00:12:12.237 other things that we were curious about or just captured our attention. 00:12:12.447 --> 00:12:12.507 Yeah. 00:12:12.807 --> 00:12:17.337 Um, so it was a weekend of me doing things that were far outside of my comfort zone, 00:12:17.967 --> 00:12:21.117 um, which was strange and fantastic. 00:12:21.327 --> 00:12:21.837 And new. 00:12:22.137 --> 00:12:22.287 Yeah. 00:12:22.287 --> 00:12:25.497 Fitz: How many, how many games total did we actually end up playing? 00:12:25.497 --> 00:12:30.447 Alison: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 00:12:30.927 --> 00:12:32.487 Fitz: So about two ish a day? 00:12:32.787 --> 00:12:33.147 No. 00:12:33.897 --> 00:12:34.077 Alison: Well, yeah. 00:12:34.077 --> 00:12:36.967 Cause we, we only played one on Friday. 00:12:36.967 --> 00:12:39.687 Friday and Sunday and Sunday. 00:12:39.687 --> 00:12:41.547 So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 00:12:41.552 --> 00:12:41.767 Yeah. 00:12:41.767 --> 00:12:42.127 Okay. 00:12:42.127 --> 00:12:42.487 Okay. 00:12:42.777 --> 00:12:42.987 Yeah. 00:12:43.047 --> 00:12:43.887 Matt: But yes, the average. 00:12:43.887 --> 00:12:44.457 Yeah. 00:12:44.462 --> 00:12:44.567 Yeah. 00:12:44.847 --> 00:12:46.047 Um, which is a lot. 00:12:46.047 --> 00:12:46.677 Which is a lot. 00:12:46.677 --> 00:12:50.607 And, and especially because we wanted to try new things. 00:12:50.607 --> 00:12:55.842 There was a lot of thinking and so every, every game started off with this period 00:12:55.842 --> 00:12:58.512 of, and some of them stayed that way. 00:12:58.552 --> 00:12:58.952 Yeah. 00:13:00.782 --> 00:13:04.032 Fitz: Some of them didn't, never quite get over the initial hurdle. 00:13:05.622 --> 00:13:05.772 Matt: Yeah. 00:13:05.777 --> 00:13:06.312 The whole time. 00:13:06.672 --> 00:13:11.982 Um, uh, and so yeah, but we, we wanted to go as a, as this sort 00:13:11.982 --> 00:13:14.382 of a dip our toes in, right. 00:13:14.382 --> 00:13:16.932 Because we weren't sure whether this was gonna be what we wanted. 00:13:16.932 --> 00:13:20.952 And we weren't sure if, if, if, uh, if it was going to be fun. 00:13:20.952 --> 00:13:27.462 But I think, uh, the takeaway was that it was, we had, we had a really good time. 00:13:27.522 --> 00:13:29.742 We had a good time together, we learned a lot of things. 00:13:29.747 --> 00:13:32.832 We had some highs and some not as highs. 00:13:33.452 --> 00:13:37.482 And, uh, um, so this is what, that's what we wanted to share today. 00:13:37.592 --> 00:13:38.072 Yeah. 00:13:38.072 --> 00:13:39.572 Fitz: Well, let's high points. 00:13:39.662 --> 00:13:40.442 Matt: Let's high points. 00:13:40.442 --> 00:13:43.712 Well, I guess what we should, one of the high points, of course, because 00:13:43.712 --> 00:13:49.262 the other part of this trip was for Alison to experience on our way to 00:13:49.292 --> 00:13:56.492 Lake Geneva to experience the wonder that is the Mars Cheese Castle. 00:13:57.032 --> 00:13:57.302 Alison: Yes. 00:13:57.302 --> 00:14:00.932 Everyone, the eighth wonder of the world the eighth Wonder of the World, the Mars 00:14:00.932 --> 00:14:02.822 Cheese Castle in Kenosha, Wisconsin. 00:14:02.852 --> 00:14:03.692 Kenosha, Wisconsin. 00:14:03.692 --> 00:14:08.222 Which is a story that I won't tell here, but it is a, a fan 00:14:08.222 --> 00:14:10.262 favorite among my group of friends. 00:14:10.262 --> 00:14:13.772 And it, it kind of grew a personality of its own to where I was just, 00:14:13.862 --> 00:14:15.522 you know, itching to go to mm-hmm. 00:14:15.962 --> 00:14:18.272 Kenosha, Wisconsin to go to the Mars Cheese Castle. 00:14:18.272 --> 00:14:21.212 And when we were looking at this Con, when we, you know, I, like 00:14:21.212 --> 00:14:23.522 I said, I pulled this group and I said, where do I want to go? 00:14:23.522 --> 00:14:28.722 And the front runners were GaryCon, Gen Con in Indiana, uh, PAX Unplugged, mm-hmm. 00:14:28.802 --> 00:14:30.932 people mentioned Emerald City Comic-Con. 00:14:30.937 --> 00:14:31.082 Mm-hmm. 00:14:31.162 --> 00:14:33.752 Of course, the big comic-cons and Dragon Cons. 00:14:34.667 --> 00:14:38.237 So as we're looking at our list and, and GaryCon won by a mile, by the way. 00:14:38.267 --> 00:14:38.507 Mm-hmm. 00:14:38.867 --> 00:14:43.517 Um, Matt was the one who said to me, you know, you know Alison... 00:14:43.817 --> 00:14:45.257 Matt: because she talks about it all the time. 00:14:45.262 --> 00:14:48.707 I do love this, this magical cheese, the idea of a cheese castle. 00:14:48.767 --> 00:14:53.477 If anybody has not seen it, It is basically a grocery store without produce. 00:14:53.740 --> 00:14:57.340 But it is in the shape of an incredibly well done. 00:14:57.460 --> 00:15:01.780 The exterior is of a castle with, with, um, turrets and, 00:15:01.810 --> 00:15:04.720 and, and towers and all, all 00:15:04.950 --> 00:15:07.360 Fitz: And an exuberant amount of cheese. 00:15:07.420 --> 00:15:11.080 Matt: And it does have an exuberant amount of cheese and other things, 00:15:11.860 --> 00:15:13.270 Fitz: But the cheese is the draw. 00:15:13.300 --> 00:15:14.590 Matt: Cheese is the draw for sure. 00:15:14.590 --> 00:15:17.440 Alison: We've never seen so many flavors of cheese curds in your life. 00:15:17.470 --> 00:15:18.010 That's true. 00:15:18.190 --> 00:15:19.150 Matt: Yeah, that's true. 00:15:19.270 --> 00:15:20.470 Alison: We got a lot of cheese. 00:15:20.470 --> 00:15:21.130 Matt: Curds. 00:15:21.190 --> 00:15:21.910 Lots of cheese curd. 00:15:21.910 --> 00:15:26.110 And then another thing, another winning thing about, uh, a Wisconsin 00:15:26.140 --> 00:15:30.700 is that there is at least one brewery that does not export beer. 00:15:30.880 --> 00:15:31.030 Oh, sorry. 00:15:31.060 --> 00:15:34.630 Their, their brewery does not export outside of Wisconsin. 00:15:34.630 --> 00:15:36.430 So that's fun for a couple of us. 00:15:36.830 --> 00:15:38.950 Alison: And so as Fitz, I don't wanna, I don't wanna steal your 00:15:38.950 --> 00:15:43.330 joke, but you know, we, we quickly realized that before GaryCon came 00:15:43.510 --> 00:15:44.410 Fitz: Dairy Con. 00:15:44.710 --> 00:15:45.280 Dairy Con. 00:15:45.670 --> 00:15:45.880 Yep. 00:15:45.885 --> 00:15:46.000 Yep. 00:15:46.270 --> 00:15:49.540 Matt: Boy did we have Dairy Con, we had Dairy Con, we had Dairy Con. 00:15:49.540 --> 00:15:50.170 So, yes. 00:15:50.170 --> 00:15:55.060 So we, we had tried to prepare Alison that, you know, to, to 00:15:55.300 --> 00:15:58.760 keep her expectations at a, at a baseline, a lot of people. 00:15:58.760 --> 00:16:00.110 But she was, you still like it. 00:16:00.140 --> 00:16:00.630 Fitz: Yeah. 00:16:00.630 --> 00:16:05.180 I mean, you and Lindsay, everybody kept saying both to Alison and myself, 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:07.470 you know, maybe slow your roll. 00:16:07.730 --> 00:16:07.940 Yeah. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.430 It, it's, it's just cheese. 00:16:10.520 --> 00:16:10.640 Yeah. 00:16:10.640 --> 00:16:11.510 Like, it's fine. 00:16:11.540 --> 00:16:16.340 But I think people genuinely didn't understand that it didn't 00:16:16.340 --> 00:16:20.270 have to be more than just a castle with some, was everything met? 00:16:20.275 --> 00:16:20.600 Matt: Okay, great. 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:20.750 Yeah. 00:16:20.750 --> 00:16:22.890 Fitz: And exceeded expectations actually. 00:16:22.910 --> 00:16:23.110 Matt: Good. 00:16:23.110 --> 00:16:23.240 Good, good. 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:23.840 Alison: Was it a castle? 00:16:23.845 --> 00:16:24.110 Yes. 00:16:24.110 --> 00:16:24.770 Was there cheese? 00:16:24.770 --> 00:16:25.370 Yes. 00:16:25.375 --> 00:16:25.390 Yes. 00:16:25.500 --> 00:16:25.910 A hundred. 00:16:26.495 --> 00:16:26.735 Done. 00:16:26.735 --> 00:16:28.405 Fitz: Did it have lingonberries? 00:16:28.565 --> 00:16:29.735 Yes, it did. 00:16:29.945 --> 00:16:30.455 Alison: It did. 00:16:30.515 --> 00:16:32.285 It actually, it had more than I thought. 00:16:32.285 --> 00:16:34.655 Cuz it, it did, it had a lot of little snackies and cracker. 00:16:34.655 --> 00:16:36.185 It has a tavern attached. 00:16:36.245 --> 00:16:36.605 Yes. 00:16:36.610 --> 00:16:41.315 And you know, the townies drinking their beer at mm-hmm noon on a Thursday, 00:16:41.615 --> 00:16:43.475 like Spotted Cow at the Cheese Castle. 00:16:43.485 --> 00:16:44.435 I, I loved it. 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.345 I, I actually loved just about everything about Wisconsin. 00:16:47.475 --> 00:16:50.735 I, I, I give Wisconsin five stars would visit again. 00:16:51.035 --> 00:16:52.385 Absolutely loved it. 00:16:52.385 --> 00:16:54.845 So, yeah, so that was kind of our first adventure. 00:16:54.905 --> 00:16:56.615 You know, we flew into Chicago. 00:16:57.155 --> 00:16:59.375 First up we drive to the Cheese Castle. 00:16:59.375 --> 00:17:03.035 We load up with our snacks for the week and then we, we drove straight 00:17:03.035 --> 00:17:08.075 to the Grand Geneva Resort and, and basically walked in and started playing. 00:17:08.075 --> 00:17:09.245 Matt: Sat down and started playing. 00:17:09.695 --> 00:17:12.005 Alison: Yeah, so our first session, we can kind of just break this 00:17:12.005 --> 00:17:13.205 down quickly through session. 00:17:13.235 --> 00:17:13.445 Yeah. 00:17:13.715 --> 00:17:15.155 Uh, was, what was it called? 00:17:15.155 --> 00:17:21.065 Matt: It was Dungeon Crawl Classics, uh, DCC and it is part of the OSR, 00:17:21.065 --> 00:17:27.925 the old school Renaissance of, uh, of Dungeons and Dragons playing, meaning 00:17:28.055 --> 00:17:33.275 it's based the OSR games, and there's a few of them are based on the earlier 00:17:33.275 --> 00:17:39.065 editions of Dungeons and Dragons, so your first edition and your AD&D, and other, 00:17:39.095 --> 00:17:41.855 um, and other games surrounding it. 00:17:41.855 --> 00:17:45.715 But, but mostly just to get that style, that like super simple style, 00:17:45.945 --> 00:17:52.362 mostly in a dungeon, lots of tables and rolls and gritty, and you die 00:17:52.362 --> 00:17:54.012 easily, and that kind of stuff. 00:17:54.072 --> 00:17:58.092 Alison: And so with this table in particular, we were the only 00:17:58.092 --> 00:17:59.352 ones there that had not played it. 00:17:59.352 --> 00:17:59.592 Mm-hmm. 00:17:59.672 --> 00:18:02.022 And we were playing with some serious fan boys and girls. 00:18:02.022 --> 00:18:02.112 Mm-hmm. 00:18:02.412 --> 00:18:02.502 Yeah. 00:18:02.502 --> 00:18:03.942 Which I thought I thought was charming. 00:18:03.942 --> 00:18:04.362 I loved it. 00:18:04.392 --> 00:18:06.852 That was one of my, you know, I think we'll probably be weaving our 00:18:06.852 --> 00:18:08.142 highs and our lows and throughout. 00:18:08.142 --> 00:18:08.202 Yeah. 00:18:08.472 --> 00:18:12.432 But one of my highs was definitely just the how excited people were to share 00:18:12.432 --> 00:18:13.632 the things that make them excited. 00:18:13.662 --> 00:18:13.722 Yeah. 00:18:13.952 --> 00:18:14.232 Mm-hmm. 00:18:14.317 --> 00:18:16.662 Um, and so, and that was, you know, the, you could just tell 00:18:16.662 --> 00:18:18.732 that the DM really cared about it. 00:18:18.737 --> 00:18:21.222 And, and, and we announced ourselves as we, I said, Hey, this is our 00:18:21.227 --> 00:18:23.992 first GaryCon, and this is our first game at our first GaryCon. 00:18:24.012 --> 00:18:26.312 And they were excited there that well mm-hmm. 00:18:26.392 --> 00:18:26.632 Yeah. 00:18:26.712 --> 00:18:29.862 Um, and so what we did at all of these tables is, is that there were 00:18:29.862 --> 00:18:31.362 kind of pre-generated characters. 00:18:31.362 --> 00:18:33.582 So we didn't come in with any of our own characters that 00:18:33.587 --> 00:18:34.542 we're very comfortable with. 00:18:34.572 --> 00:18:36.912 We took aspects of them, of course. 00:18:36.942 --> 00:18:37.062 Mm-hmm. 00:18:37.392 --> 00:18:40.542 Um, but we got to play some really fun I that very first game, I've 00:18:40.547 --> 00:18:43.567 always said, I don't have much interest in playing a cleric, but 00:18:43.567 --> 00:18:45.867 I played a cleric in that game, and it turns out it was a lot of fun. 00:18:45.927 --> 00:18:46.287 Yeah. 00:18:46.317 --> 00:18:46.617 Fitz: You did. 00:18:46.617 --> 00:18:48.487 I was actually very shocked. 00:18:48.507 --> 00:18:50.847 I know you grabbed the sheet because it said 00:18:50.852 --> 00:18:51.987 Alison: Matt assigned me the sheet. 00:18:52.217 --> 00:18:53.127 Fitz: Oh, okay. 00:18:53.132 --> 00:18:53.457 Okay. 00:18:53.457 --> 00:18:57.057 So you assigned the sheet because it was a cheese monger. 00:18:57.057 --> 00:18:57.927 Matt: A cheese monger, yeah. 00:18:58.197 --> 00:18:59.847 Fitz: As like the background, I guess. 00:18:59.852 --> 00:19:00.357 Yep, yep. 00:19:00.362 --> 00:19:03.207 When I saw Cleric at the bottom of the sheet, I was like, AKs 00:19:03.207 --> 00:19:04.107 not gonna wanna play that. 00:19:04.107 --> 00:19:05.487 She's gonna pawn that off on me. 00:19:05.817 --> 00:19:11.637 But like, you, you took it, and you rolled with it and you did such a wonderful job. 00:19:12.207 --> 00:19:13.407 Alison: Aw, it was so fun. 00:19:13.467 --> 00:19:14.157 I loved that one. 00:19:14.162 --> 00:19:16.557 That was actually, that being a cleric was fun. 00:19:16.767 --> 00:19:19.557 This was all about pushing myself outside of my comfort zones. 00:19:19.557 --> 00:19:19.617 Yeah. 00:19:19.617 --> 00:19:22.467 And getting out of that, you know, place I, I liked to be. 00:19:22.472 --> 00:19:24.847 And so I was like, all right, at first, let's play a Cleric mm-hmm. 00:19:24.927 --> 00:19:27.867 and, and Matt did he, he saw Cheesemaker and he immediately was like, well, 00:19:27.872 --> 00:19:28.907 there's no question you have to. 00:19:28.907 --> 00:19:28.967 Matt: Yeah. 00:19:28.967 --> 00:19:30.557 We'd just come from Dairy Con. 00:19:30.662 --> 00:19:31.967 We had to, had to. 00:19:31.972 --> 00:19:32.067 Yeah. 00:19:32.277 --> 00:19:33.687 And I played a thief. 00:19:33.687 --> 00:19:34.687 And you played a, 00:19:34.837 --> 00:19:35.767 Fitz: I played an Elf. 00:19:35.772 --> 00:19:40.677 Matt: Elf, which in those older games, the Elf is an actual class, so it's 00:19:40.677 --> 00:19:43.287 somewhere between a fighter or cleric, or 00:19:43.767 --> 00:19:51.747 Fitz: It felt at least, I don't know if like, what the other spell options are. 00:19:51.837 --> 00:19:52.077 Yeah. 00:19:52.107 --> 00:19:57.477 But the ones that had been chosen for me, weirdly, felt a bit of a 00:19:57.482 --> 00:20:00.417 combo between a druid and a warlock. 00:20:00.417 --> 00:20:00.687 Hmm. 00:20:01.317 --> 00:20:06.717 It had two different patron spells, or three different patron spells. 00:20:06.897 --> 00:20:13.107 It had a Speak with Animal spell It had a, uh, Charm Person spell. 00:20:13.107 --> 00:20:13.137 Mm. 00:20:13.707 --> 00:20:20.247 Which I used to, to get a pet, but it, it definitely felt like the, the 00:20:20.307 --> 00:20:22.197 melding of a Druid and a Warlock. 00:20:22.247 --> 00:20:22.407 Mm-hmm. 00:20:22.487 --> 00:20:24.717 Which was a very interesting space to be in. 00:20:24.717 --> 00:20:25.317 Yeah. 00:20:25.857 --> 00:20:29.217 So I don't know if that's what the original flavor of Elves were, but 00:20:29.217 --> 00:20:31.647 that's at least based on the spells and everything that were picked. 00:20:31.647 --> 00:20:33.597 For me, that's where it landed. 00:20:33.677 --> 00:20:37.747 Matt: I don't remember, but I think it was kind of, the idea was "Elf-y". 00:20:37.767 --> 00:20:41.737 So maybe the elves were kind of more Woodlands, magic fae. 00:20:42.117 --> 00:20:43.167 So that would make sense. 00:20:43.167 --> 00:20:43.587 Yeah. 00:20:43.887 --> 00:20:45.027 Both of those things would make sense. 00:20:45.657 --> 00:20:48.597 Alison: Uh, so big shout out to Trevor, who was our DM for that one. 00:20:48.717 --> 00:20:51.387 The name of the, um, and had written the, and had written the module, 00:20:51.387 --> 00:20:52.677 it was called The Hangman's Garden. 00:20:52.707 --> 00:20:52.827 Mm-hmm. 00:20:53.067 --> 00:20:55.747 . It was very, you know, old school dungeon crawl-y. 00:20:55.767 --> 00:20:58.227 So we just kind of had like different rooms we were going through. 00:20:58.347 --> 00:21:02.367 And it was funny cuz we're us, you know, we, we didn't choose to fight every single 00:21:02.367 --> 00:21:03.987 Matt: 45 minutes to go through a door. 00:21:04.167 --> 00:21:04.497 Yeah. 00:21:04.497 --> 00:21:05.207 We talked to every single 00:21:05.327 --> 00:21:06.387 Alison: and we, we, we, yeah. 00:21:06.387 --> 00:21:09.987 We kept, we were amusing the others at our table cuz instead of fighting 00:21:09.987 --> 00:21:13.677 and killing, we were collecting new friends at every point. 00:21:13.947 --> 00:21:16.617 One of the guys got so mad because I went through this whole 00:21:16.617 --> 00:21:19.347 ordeal to like rescue a prisoner. 00:21:19.557 --> 00:21:20.787 Cause I wasn't gonna leave her. 00:21:20.877 --> 00:21:20.997 Right. 00:21:20.997 --> 00:21:21.747 I'm a cleric. 00:21:21.747 --> 00:21:22.197 I know. 00:21:22.257 --> 00:21:22.527 You know. 00:21:23.092 --> 00:21:25.952 Matt: And you could tell he was like, he was, why are you 00:21:25.952 --> 00:21:28.192 trying so hard to do this? 00:21:28.197 --> 00:21:29.112 That's just the way we roll. 00:21:29.172 --> 00:21:29.712 That's okay. 00:21:30.282 --> 00:21:30.702 I'm sorry. 00:21:30.762 --> 00:21:32.712 Fitz: No, no randos left behind. 00:21:32.922 --> 00:21:33.632 Matt: No randos. 00:21:33.637 --> 00:21:35.412 Fitz: No randos or monsters left behind. 00:21:35.712 --> 00:21:38.232 Alison: And you could tell, you know, in the end, and that's one thing I 00:21:38.232 --> 00:21:41.472 was very curious about going into GaryCon, was how is this gonna work? 00:21:41.562 --> 00:21:41.652 Mm-hmm. 00:21:41.892 --> 00:21:44.682 Knowing that we're all agents of chaos and things never take the amount 00:21:44.682 --> 00:21:45.762 of time you think they're going to. 00:21:45.822 --> 00:21:48.732 And so you could just kind of tell that the, the GMs, especially those 00:21:48.732 --> 00:21:51.942 who have been doing us for a while, were able to kind of jump to the 00:21:51.942 --> 00:21:53.592 place they needed to to get us out. 00:21:53.592 --> 00:21:54.192 The good ones. 00:21:54.192 --> 00:21:54.312 Yeah. 00:21:54.312 --> 00:21:55.122 The door on time. 00:21:55.122 --> 00:21:57.702 And that, that's what Trevor had to do, unfortunately, we could tell we didn't 00:21:57.707 --> 00:22:01.542 make it to all the dungeon rooms and we raised a little bit too much time getting 00:22:01.542 --> 00:22:03.072 through doors and making new friends. 00:22:03.552 --> 00:22:07.092 Matt: But the fun thing about that though is that if we were to pick 00:22:07.097 --> 00:22:12.402 up DCC Dungeon Crawl Classics and his module, we could play it again. 00:22:12.402 --> 00:22:13.432 We would be, be totally different. 00:22:13.432 --> 00:22:13.672 Mm-hmm. 00:22:13.752 --> 00:22:14.442 it'd be totally diff. 00:22:14.562 --> 00:22:17.682 Fitz: It would, because I know that there are rooms that we did not hit. 00:22:18.687 --> 00:22:21.387 There were encounters that we didn't actually fight. 00:22:21.427 --> 00:22:22.267 That we could have fought. 00:22:22.267 --> 00:22:22.987 That we could have fought. 00:22:23.037 --> 00:22:23.217 Yep. 00:22:23.307 --> 00:22:26.127 There were, I'm sure there was treasure that we didn't, there was 00:22:26.132 --> 00:22:28.407 a, there's a, my mysterious door. 00:22:28.467 --> 00:22:28.737 Yeah. 00:22:28.797 --> 00:22:33.327 At the end, end of the, or the middle of the endless circle of, of, yep. 00:22:33.332 --> 00:22:33.787 Mm-hmm. 00:22:33.937 --> 00:22:36.237 Jail doors that something was behind. 00:22:36.242 --> 00:22:38.037 There was something, so there's, there was stuff, 00:22:38.067 --> 00:22:39.777 Matt: There was stuff that, we'll, we'll, we'll go back. 00:22:39.777 --> 00:22:40.437 Maybe someday. 00:22:40.442 --> 00:22:40.677 We'll, we'll do it. 00:22:40.677 --> 00:22:40.737 Yeah. 00:22:40.797 --> 00:22:45.027 I thought I was not playing a spellcaster, but I thought that the game itself, one 00:22:45.027 --> 00:22:49.737 thing I really thought was neat, and y'all didn't necessarily agree, seemed like, 00:22:49.737 --> 00:22:55.887 but one, one of the cool concepts of spell casting is, number one, you have to roll. 00:22:55.887 --> 00:22:58.147 There's a, there's a chance that a spell will not. 00:22:58.147 --> 00:22:58.467 Mm-hmm. 00:22:58.547 --> 00:23:00.627 Will not, uh, even work. 00:23:00.927 --> 00:23:05.577 But this game, depending on where you rolled to make it work, had 00:23:05.577 --> 00:23:08.787 different layers of effects. 00:23:08.817 --> 00:23:12.297 The higher, higher the number, the, the, the more effect the spell. 00:23:12.302 --> 00:23:13.527 And I kind of loved, 00:23:13.617 --> 00:23:14.637 Alison: I loved that actually. 00:23:14.667 --> 00:23:15.177 Matt: Oh, you did love it. 00:23:15.327 --> 00:23:15.597 Yeah, 00:23:15.657 --> 00:23:16.647 Fitz: I loved it too. 00:23:17.067 --> 00:23:21.897 It was the only reason I, um, wasn't as exuberant in the moment 00:23:21.897 --> 00:23:23.187 was just that it was confusing me. 00:23:23.217 --> 00:23:24.117 Matt: It, it's, it was a lot. 00:23:24.177 --> 00:23:24.417 Yeah. 00:23:24.417 --> 00:23:24.777 A lot. 00:23:24.777 --> 00:23:27.987 Fitz: Just because we had sit, like it was a lot to read having sat 00:23:27.987 --> 00:23:29.697 down and you're trying to move fast. 00:23:29.967 --> 00:23:34.977 But luckily since we were the only ones who hadn't played before. 00:23:34.982 --> 00:23:35.037 Yeah. 00:23:35.042 --> 00:23:38.757 The others sort of knew how it worked and knew what those threshold numbers were. 00:23:38.757 --> 00:23:38.847 Right. 00:23:38.847 --> 00:23:45.147 So if I said, you know, I just rolled a 13, then, you know, the gentleman next 00:23:45.147 --> 00:23:49.767 to me, I think his name was also Matt, I think so, um, was like, oh, well, 00:23:50.277 --> 00:23:51.837 hold on, let me help you with that. 00:23:51.867 --> 00:23:52.017 Yeah. 00:23:52.197 --> 00:23:56.907 So there was collaboration to help people get their roles into certain zones to make 00:23:56.907 --> 00:23:59.337 it more or less ef Well, more effective. 00:23:59.367 --> 00:23:59.517 Yeah. 00:23:59.757 --> 00:24:05.097 Or when it's not worth it, which I'm sure we would pick up how we played it longer. 00:24:05.097 --> 00:24:09.132 It was just that since we were trying to move quickly, I was just 00:24:09.132 --> 00:24:12.862 sort of getting a little confused, but I lo I loved that concept. 00:24:12.862 --> 00:24:13.142 Mm-hmm. 00:24:13.222 --> 00:24:14.412 I loved that it could fail. 00:24:14.592 --> 00:24:19.632 I loved that if you really rolled well, that something amazing could happen. 00:24:19.722 --> 00:24:21.582 And I love the scalability of it. 00:24:21.582 --> 00:24:21.672 Mm-hmm. 00:24:21.912 --> 00:24:22.332 Exactly. 00:24:22.362 --> 00:24:23.782 Because at a lower level, mm-hmm. 00:24:23.862 --> 00:24:29.202 you're gonna be hidden in similar zones, so you're gonna be in the lower effects of 00:24:29.202 --> 00:24:31.362 that spell how much you can actually do. 00:24:31.722 --> 00:24:34.872 But that doesn't mean you couldn't accidentally roll really amazing. 00:24:34.872 --> 00:24:39.372 Or your whole party helped you by adding things to buff the number 00:24:39.672 --> 00:24:44.652 and that in a Hail Mary moment, you couldn't just have this surge of power. 00:24:44.982 --> 00:24:45.102 Yeah. 00:24:45.162 --> 00:24:49.422 And pop off a really high level version of that spell. 00:24:49.422 --> 00:24:49.482 Yeah. 00:24:49.512 --> 00:24:53.412 So I love the scalability as you level as a character as well. 00:24:53.442 --> 00:24:53.652 Yeah. 00:24:54.012 --> 00:24:58.812 You know, there's something really flexible and lovely about 00:24:58.812 --> 00:25:00.492 the unpredictability of that. 00:25:00.492 --> 00:25:01.182 Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:25:01.182 --> 00:25:05.667 Which is, which is a, a DCC specific, like that is not something 00:25:05.667 --> 00:25:10.257 that was in AD&D, so that's cool. 00:25:10.367 --> 00:25:12.207 I I, I definitely left going. 00:25:12.237 --> 00:25:14.547 I'm gonna get it and I'm going to, I would play it. 00:25:14.877 --> 00:25:15.087 Yeah. 00:25:15.207 --> 00:25:15.417 Cool. 00:25:15.927 --> 00:25:18.627 Alison: We probably won't have time to go bit by bit through every single game. 00:25:18.837 --> 00:25:22.767 The next one we played was Pathfinder, which we don't have, I don't 00:25:22.767 --> 00:25:24.087 think a lot to say about that one. 00:25:24.147 --> 00:25:25.497 Matt: Pathfinder One, in fact. 00:25:25.497 --> 00:25:25.647 Yeah. 00:25:25.647 --> 00:25:32.517 First edition, which is basically Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 edition and yeah, we were, 00:25:32.667 --> 00:25:35.727 Alison: So here's where we can talk about some of the challenges that we met Yeah. 00:25:35.757 --> 00:25:38.977 At the con as people who were neurodivergent. 00:25:38.977 --> 00:25:39.377 Mm-hmm. 00:25:39.957 --> 00:25:45.657 So you're in a room with a lot of other tables, a lot of distractions, a lot 00:25:45.657 --> 00:25:47.017 of things going on, a lot of noise. 00:25:47.017 --> 00:25:51.447 It can be hard, it can be hard to both hear, and then also process 00:25:51.447 --> 00:25:55.557 because there was just so much noise in space happening around you. 00:25:55.617 --> 00:25:55.707 Mm-hmm. 00:25:55.947 --> 00:25:57.357 And with a game like Pathfinder. 00:25:58.617 --> 00:26:00.867 There, there was just so much information. 00:26:00.867 --> 00:26:04.227 It was just this onslaught of information that my brain literally could not keep up. 00:26:04.227 --> 00:26:06.007 So that was a brain melt moment for me. 00:26:06.007 --> 00:26:06.567 It was for sure. 00:26:06.572 --> 00:26:06.727 It was. 00:26:06.727 --> 00:26:06.887 Yeah. 00:26:06.887 --> 00:26:07.047 Yeah. 00:26:07.052 --> 00:26:10.407 And one of the lower, you know, where I wish I was in a quieter room, I 00:26:10.407 --> 00:26:12.117 wish I'd had a little bit more time. 00:26:12.417 --> 00:26:16.707 That was where I felt like I was not served playing a pre gen character 00:26:16.712 --> 00:26:18.987 because everything was new to me. 00:26:18.987 --> 00:26:19.497 Mm-hmm. 00:26:19.577 --> 00:26:21.537 Um, and that was, that was one of the first places I felt 00:26:21.537 --> 00:26:23.817 like a, an ADHD anxiety flare. 00:26:24.057 --> 00:26:24.957 Matt: Yeah, for sure. 00:26:25.017 --> 00:26:25.617 Me too. 00:26:25.617 --> 00:26:26.157 Me too. 00:26:26.277 --> 00:26:33.087 And, um, uh, it did not help, I will say it did not help that, that that particular 00:26:33.087 --> 00:26:34.947 Game Master was not as prepared. 00:26:34.977 --> 00:26:35.097 Right. 00:26:35.577 --> 00:26:39.117 Uh, which is, which was also very, very distracting for me. 00:26:39.122 --> 00:26:39.447 Mm-hmm. 00:26:39.527 --> 00:26:39.927 Personally, mm-hmm. 00:26:40.007 --> 00:26:42.677 Because I, you know, I sat down, and really wanted to 00:26:42.682 --> 00:26:44.177 learn from all these mm-hmm. 00:26:44.417 --> 00:26:46.482 I mean, this is the most playing I've ever done in my life. 00:26:46.482 --> 00:26:46.812 Right. 00:26:46.842 --> 00:26:46.992 Nice. 00:26:47.022 --> 00:26:50.935 So, So I wanted to learn from these, these people who have been doing this. 00:26:50.935 --> 00:26:55.975 And so I, I got real distracted when, when they were not on top of their game. 00:26:56.305 --> 00:27:00.415 Um, and, and you know, we're gonna give them all the, all the credit in the world. 00:27:00.415 --> 00:27:05.402 We're Because you know, some, some of these people signed up 00:27:05.402 --> 00:27:07.322 for multiple tables during a day. 00:27:07.352 --> 00:27:10.472 And I'm sure that they were better prepared for some games than others. 00:27:11.252 --> 00:27:13.202 But it still was, that was a tough one. 00:27:13.202 --> 00:27:13.262 Yeah. 00:27:13.267 --> 00:27:14.312 That was a tough one to get through. 00:27:14.402 --> 00:27:14.772 Cause that's, 00:27:14.772 --> 00:27:19.922 Fitz: It could be intimidating being a DM for knowing that you have four hours to 00:27:19.927 --> 00:27:24.422 play a game or two hours to play a game or however long you've set for yourself. 00:27:24.752 --> 00:27:28.712 And you need to teach people who admittedly don't know the system. 00:27:28.742 --> 00:27:28.862 Yeah. 00:27:29.342 --> 00:27:31.202 And get them through an adventure. 00:27:31.352 --> 00:27:31.502 Yeah. 00:27:31.742 --> 00:27:33.032 In that time allotment. 00:27:33.062 --> 00:27:33.122 Yeah. 00:27:33.122 --> 00:27:35.852 Because you know the way the schedules are, they may have another game 00:27:35.852 --> 00:27:37.232 after that that they have to get to. 00:27:37.232 --> 00:27:39.332 So you really want to give them 00:27:39.392 --> 00:27:41.042 Alison: Well, and people are coming into that table. 00:27:41.252 --> 00:27:41.462 Yeah. 00:27:41.522 --> 00:27:45.032 You know, so you literally have to give up your space within the allotted time. 00:27:45.037 --> 00:27:45.202 Right. 00:27:46.037 --> 00:27:48.317 Fitz: So there is, there's definitely a challenge to it, and 00:27:48.537 --> 00:27:50.477 I'm sure it's intimidating, so 00:27:50.657 --> 00:27:51.377 Matt: Yes. 00:27:51.647 --> 00:27:55.857 But I will say this, that there are certainly times when the three of us play 00:27:55.857 --> 00:27:58.707 and I am more or less prepared, right? 00:27:58.827 --> 00:27:58.917 Yeah. 00:27:58.947 --> 00:28:03.263 Because we're friends and sometimes winging it can be fun, but, you know, 00:28:03.293 --> 00:28:08.093 you probably know when I'm less prepared than other times and you probably know 00:28:08.093 --> 00:28:09.893 when I'm more prepared than other times. 00:28:09.893 --> 00:28:09.983 Mm-hmm. 00:28:10.223 --> 00:28:11.003 to, to play. 00:28:11.063 --> 00:28:15.308 And, and my thought is that there, there are a number of these 00:28:15.313 --> 00:28:19.748 conventions, but this one was kind of billed, the build for this. 00:28:19.778 --> 00:28:20.018 Yeah. 00:28:20.108 --> 00:28:26.528 And, and it could be adhd, but I would never go into a situation like that. 00:28:26.558 --> 00:28:31.718 It not knowing every freaking thing about what I was going to do. 00:28:31.838 --> 00:28:34.538 Alison: And it's a control, the controllable situation too, because, 00:28:34.538 --> 00:28:37.238 you know, we, we pre-register for most of these sessions. 00:28:37.418 --> 00:28:37.478 Yeah. 00:28:37.868 --> 00:28:41.468 And so there's descriptions of what you'll be doing and there are 00:28:41.473 --> 00:28:42.758 levels at which you'll be playing. 00:28:42.763 --> 00:28:43.898 So you know exactly the game. 00:28:43.898 --> 00:28:44.918 Exactly the edition. 00:28:44.978 --> 00:28:46.328 And there are levels. 00:28:46.328 --> 00:28:50.108 So there are, you know, no experience needed up through, like, please 00:28:50.113 --> 00:28:52.178 be well versed in this system. 00:28:52.208 --> 00:28:52.838 Right, exactly. 00:28:52.938 --> 00:28:56.828 And this was billed as no experience needed. 00:28:57.248 --> 00:28:59.048 And you know, maybe that wasn't the case. 00:28:59.048 --> 00:28:59.138 Right. 00:28:59.168 --> 00:29:01.958 But So then, so then bill it correctly, bill, bill it correctly too. 00:29:01.958 --> 00:29:03.248 You would be better served. 00:29:03.548 --> 00:29:05.798 We only have two hours to get through this. 00:29:05.803 --> 00:29:05.838 Mm-hmm. 00:29:05.918 --> 00:29:10.118 So we're gonna be moving, you know, please be on time and have a character 00:29:10.118 --> 00:29:11.978 in mind and you know, we'll dig right in. 00:29:11.978 --> 00:29:14.198 So yeah, that was, that was our first day. 00:29:14.198 --> 00:29:17.408 But still, uh, I think we came away swinging and happy. 00:29:17.413 --> 00:29:18.548 Fitz: And Yeah. 00:29:18.548 --> 00:29:23.468 And combine, just combine that, I think with, you know, maybe one of the, 00:29:23.468 --> 00:29:29.198 the, I feel like the main thing that we struggled with, over the course of 00:29:29.198 --> 00:29:37.118 the weekend, regardless of the game or how well the table meshed or how 00:29:37.118 --> 00:29:42.998 well the DM was able to accomplish whatever the goal was for that session. 00:29:43.328 --> 00:29:49.988 The, the thing that was hardest, I think for us as neuro divergent, 00:29:49.988 --> 00:29:51.788 neuro spicy folk mm-hmm. 00:29:52.028 --> 00:29:55.178 was just the general distraction, yes. 00:29:55.178 --> 00:29:56.438 The noise level. 00:29:56.468 --> 00:29:56.528 Yeah. 00:29:57.068 --> 00:30:01.898 Um, there was, there was one moment, I don't know which day it was, where I had 00:30:01.903 --> 00:30:07.238 to be like, can we find somewhere where the decibel level is just reasonable? 00:30:07.298 --> 00:30:08.138 Reasonable? 00:30:08.228 --> 00:30:11.048 Because the anxiety, I could feel the heart rate 00:30:11.228 --> 00:30:12.198 Matt: In between games. 00:30:12.203 --> 00:30:12.938 Yeah. 00:30:12.938 --> 00:30:12.939 Yeah. 00:30:12.944 --> 00:30:13.118 Yeah. 00:30:13.118 --> 00:30:16.678 You had, you had to find a, a quiet space to We all did. 00:30:16.678 --> 00:30:17.198 We all did. 00:30:17.198 --> 00:30:17.398 Fitz: Yeah. 00:30:17.403 --> 00:30:23.798 Because it was, it, the lovely thing is it's a con full of just tables 00:30:23.798 --> 00:30:25.088 and tables and tables of games. 00:30:25.093 --> 00:30:25.158 Mm-hmm. 00:30:26.183 --> 00:30:29.663 The less lovely part is that all those tables create noise. 00:30:29.833 --> 00:30:30.113 Mm-hmm. 00:30:30.193 --> 00:30:32.573 in a small space and so hard. 00:30:32.813 --> 00:30:36.293 Matt: You don't want anyone to not have the level of excitement that they're 00:30:36.293 --> 00:30:38.393 used to and that they want to share. 00:30:38.513 --> 00:30:43.163 And yet you all the other tables also Yeah. 00:30:43.673 --> 00:30:46.073 Can't hear when you're having that level excitement. 00:30:46.073 --> 00:30:50.243 So we, we kept wondering why there couldn't be dividers, you 00:30:50.553 --> 00:30:54.023 know, basic dividers with some, you know, sound baffling or, uh, 00:30:54.083 --> 00:30:56.153 you know, just little bits, but 00:30:56.603 --> 00:30:56.843 Alison: Yep. 00:30:57.143 --> 00:30:57.623 Matt: That's not 00:30:57.623 --> 00:30:59.193 Fitz: Something, some feedback. 00:30:59.193 --> 00:30:59.473 Matt: Yeah. 00:30:59.478 --> 00:30:59.993 Just, yeah. 00:30:59.998 --> 00:31:01.013 So if we can, yeah. 00:31:01.013 --> 00:31:04.133 That would be one thing because, uh, like you said, it's an accessibility issue. 00:31:04.193 --> 00:31:04.403 Yep. 00:31:04.763 --> 00:31:10.193 And you know, this, this is a, this is not an accessible event, there 00:31:10.193 --> 00:31:18.263 was not one nod to anyone that might have had any disability that I saw. 00:31:18.323 --> 00:31:18.563 Really? 00:31:18.563 --> 00:31:18.713 Yeah. 00:31:18.953 --> 00:31:23.063 Not, not a, not a caption experience. 00:31:23.063 --> 00:31:23.753 Not, not. 00:31:24.323 --> 00:31:25.313 But that's okay. 00:31:25.373 --> 00:31:27.503 You mean, I mean that's okay and the, 00:31:27.527 --> 00:31:27.917 Alison: Is it? 00:31:28.247 --> 00:31:31.127 Matt: I don't know that it's, I don't know if it's okay, but it's something 00:31:31.127 --> 00:31:34.397 that we could, like, I don't know that we could give feedback to and 00:31:34.397 --> 00:31:36.167 say, look, this is an important thing. 00:31:36.172 --> 00:31:40.937 There's a lot of people who, who would like to, you know, be a part of this, 00:31:40.937 --> 00:31:43.307 that it's not very easy for them to do. 00:31:43.427 --> 00:31:43.777 So. 00:31:45.827 --> 00:31:46.847 Alison: Then came Mausritter. 00:31:46.917 --> 00:31:48.437 Matt: And then we played Mausritter the next day. 00:31:48.777 --> 00:31:51.217 Speaking of cheese, speaking of cheese, speaking of cheese, we 00:31:51.217 --> 00:31:52.127 got, that's kind of the theme. 00:31:52.177 --> 00:31:52.657 Mm-hmm. 00:31:52.742 --> 00:31:54.947 Alison: And that one was fun cuz we weren't, so in the first 00:31:54.952 --> 00:31:57.137 couple of sessions we were just kind of handed character sheets. 00:31:57.137 --> 00:31:57.257 Right. 00:31:57.497 --> 00:32:00.137 This one we actually got to roll dice to build our characters. 00:32:00.297 --> 00:32:00.577 Mm-hmm. 00:32:00.657 --> 00:32:02.987 And the dice determined who we would play. 00:32:02.992 --> 00:32:06.827 And I remember looking at the sheet going, I hope I don't get that one. 00:32:06.947 --> 00:32:08.357 And it was the one that Fitz rolled. 00:32:08.897 --> 00:32:12.467 Because I thought to myself, I have no idea how I would play that. 00:32:12.467 --> 00:32:12.797 Yeah. 00:32:13.037 --> 00:32:15.137 And Fitz played it so beautifully. 00:32:15.197 --> 00:32:15.257 Yeah. 00:32:15.257 --> 00:32:18.857 Like, it, it just, it it, it Fitz… so you're, if you, I don't wanna spoil it. 00:32:18.857 --> 00:32:19.017 Fitz: Yeah. 00:32:19.017 --> 00:32:21.557 Well and talk about playing outside of your comfort zone 00:32:21.557 --> 00:32:25.547 because one of the options that you could land on was a beekeeper. 00:32:25.817 --> 00:32:29.057 So, you know, if having given the choice mm-hmm. 00:32:29.747 --> 00:32:33.107 Nothing, I would not have seen anything else on the page as an option. 00:32:33.107 --> 00:32:38.177 My eyes would have seen that, locked onto it and just grabbed for it. 00:32:38.207 --> 00:32:38.297 Yeah. 00:32:38.302 --> 00:32:39.827 Nothing else matters. 00:32:39.832 --> 00:32:40.157 Right. 00:32:40.187 --> 00:32:44.567 Because that is my comfort zone is being some sort of bee related. 00:32:45.287 --> 00:32:48.557 I mean, it's my dream in life is to be a goddamn beekeeper. 00:32:51.257 --> 00:32:52.967 Of course, then I would reach for that. 00:32:52.967 --> 00:32:53.267 Right. 00:32:53.272 --> 00:32:56.327 But I rolled, I rolled "test subject". 00:32:56.572 --> 00:32:56.957 Alison: Yeah. 00:32:57.557 --> 00:32:58.467 That's just dark. 00:32:58.487 --> 00:33:02.447 Matt: So just, so the concept of Mausritter, I mean, it's kind of 00:33:02.447 --> 00:33:07.097 in the name, but the idea is that it is, it is D&D, but you are mice. 00:33:07.247 --> 00:33:09.797 And you are, so instead of dragons, it's cats. 00:33:09.857 --> 00:33:13.667 And instead of, you know, armor it's thimbles. 00:33:13.867 --> 00:33:14.357 Yeah. 00:33:14.362 --> 00:33:17.987 Instead of armor, thimbles instead of swords, it's needles instead of 00:33:17.987 --> 00:33:20.147 Orcs, it's, uh, rats or something. 00:33:20.297 --> 00:33:20.567 Owls. 00:33:20.597 --> 00:33:20.867 Owls. 00:33:20.997 --> 00:33:21.437 Owls. 00:33:21.437 --> 00:33:21.557 Yeah. 00:33:21.562 --> 00:33:21.677 Owls. 00:33:21.797 --> 00:33:25.357 And, and so it's very adorable and it's, but it's a much simplified 00:33:25.362 --> 00:33:29.268 system based on Into the Odd and it has a lot of humor in it. 00:33:29.268 --> 00:33:33.258 And one of the humorous things in my mind was the fact that you could play a test 00:33:33.258 --> 00:33:35.608 subject, a test mouse, subject mouse. 00:33:35.628 --> 00:33:37.728 So Fitz created this whole 00:33:38.218 --> 00:33:40.578 Fitz: I I I created, uh, Twitch. 00:33:40.998 --> 00:33:46.228 Twitch, the test test mouse, who escaped from a L'Oreal facility, 00:33:48.828 --> 00:33:50.478 and was terrified of soap. 00:33:50.718 --> 00:33:51.348 Yeah. 00:33:51.348 --> 00:33:51.738 Yes, exactly. 00:33:51.788 --> 00:33:54.618 Alison: She was, she did, she's a talk about a triggered response. 00:33:54.828 --> 00:33:57.288 That was, but it's fun. 00:33:57.348 --> 00:33:58.188 She made her eye twitch. 00:33:58.188 --> 00:34:00.708 Meanwhile, guess who rolled the beekeeper? 00:34:00.713 --> 00:34:01.188 Oh, no. 00:34:01.188 --> 00:34:01.528 Twas me. 00:34:01.738 --> 00:34:05.628 Two people, two people are, and there were like 20 different options, and 00:34:05.628 --> 00:34:07.338 somehow two of us rolled a beekeeper. 00:34:07.343 --> 00:34:07.828 Mm-hmm. 00:34:07.908 --> 00:34:09.528 So I played sweet little Peppercorn. 00:34:11.508 --> 00:34:11.808 Peppercorn. 00:34:11.978 --> 00:34:15.678 I, I went into a market and I, I started out with a coaster from the bar and 00:34:15.678 --> 00:34:20.118 I traded up and, and, and my, our DM awarded me with a a with heavy armor. 00:34:20.328 --> 00:34:20.538 Yeah. 00:34:20.808 --> 00:34:22.818 Um, and it was, and then what were you, 00:34:22.930 --> 00:34:24.650 Fitz: So remember you had a, you had a beetle. 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:25.070 Matt: Yeah. 00:34:25.070 --> 00:34:25.820 You, oh yes. 00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:27.800 I was actually a beetle herder. 00:34:27.890 --> 00:34:29.180 Beetle herder. 00:34:29.270 --> 00:34:29.630 Yeah. 00:34:29.660 --> 00:34:31.760 So I had a, I had a pet, had pet, short for Charlotte. 00:34:32.300 --> 00:34:35.360 I had a pet, a Beetle was a sidekick. 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:36.130 My hireling. 00:34:36.620 --> 00:34:39.200 Alison: And Mausritter was as adorable as it sounds. 00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:39.740 Yeah, it really is. 00:34:39.740 --> 00:34:41.450 And this was when we highly, highly recommend. 00:34:41.450 --> 00:34:41.630 Yeah. 00:34:41.660 --> 00:34:44.150 When we were putting the schedule together, I asked Matt and Fitz 00:34:44.150 --> 00:34:47.720 if they had any, any, you know, TTRPGs that were on their wishlist. 00:34:47.720 --> 00:34:47.810 Mm-hmm. 00:34:48.050 --> 00:34:51.290 and several that you gave me, Matt, were not even anywhere. 00:34:51.350 --> 00:34:51.560 No. 00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:54.590 And and it surprised me cuz like, you know, there were a couple things 00:34:54.595 --> 00:34:57.020 that caught my eye, but there'd only be like one playing of it. 00:34:57.020 --> 00:34:59.120 So we did have a hard time getting into a couple games. 00:34:59.150 --> 00:34:59.240 Mm-hmm. 00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.700 So Mausritter was one Matt mentioned by name. 00:35:01.820 --> 00:35:04.670 So I had it on our sheet and I was worried cuz there was only 00:35:04.670 --> 00:35:06.170 one session and the whole Con. 00:35:06.230 --> 00:35:06.410 Yeah. 00:35:06.620 --> 00:35:08.570 But I was delighted we were able to get into and I would 00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:10.490 happily play Mausritter again. 00:35:10.490 --> 00:35:10.640 Yeah. 00:35:10.670 --> 00:35:11.330 So that one. 00:35:11.945 --> 00:35:13.535 Fitz: A joy, a delight. 00:35:13.655 --> 00:35:13.835 Yeah. 00:35:13.835 --> 00:35:15.245 And the most adorable thing. 00:35:15.305 --> 00:35:16.265 Matt: And great for kids. 00:35:16.265 --> 00:35:18.575 It's, I mean, it's not a kid's, right? 00:35:18.575 --> 00:35:21.006 It doesn't have to be a kid's game, but, but if you have 00:35:21.011 --> 00:35:23.225 children, I would say yeah. 00:35:23.285 --> 00:35:25.845 It's easier, it's, uh, it's a lot of role playing. 00:35:26.405 --> 00:35:27.755 There's not a ton of dice. 00:35:27.755 --> 00:35:29.855 There's a lot of story that you can add. 00:35:29.885 --> 00:35:37.885 I mean, the whole concept is mice just go into a thing, a building a Yeah. 00:35:38.015 --> 00:35:39.785 A a a a human's house. 00:35:39.785 --> 00:35:39.845 Yeah. 00:35:39.875 --> 00:35:43.025 And they, they have to maybe they just a lot of sneaking around. 00:35:43.025 --> 00:35:43.415 It's fun. 00:35:43.415 --> 00:35:43.745 Yeah. 00:35:43.745 --> 00:35:43.965 It's fun. 00:35:44.615 --> 00:35:44.915 Um, 00:35:45.455 --> 00:35:48.605 Alison: Up next on our schedule was we purposefully did allow 00:35:48.605 --> 00:35:50.525 ourselves one D&D 5e game. 00:35:50.525 --> 00:35:50.615 Mm-hmm. 00:35:51.040 --> 00:35:51.365 Yes. 00:35:51.455 --> 00:35:55.145 Um, and you know, I say purposefully because we wanted to play some of what 00:35:55.145 --> 00:35:56.705 we knew, but not all of what we knew. 00:35:56.825 --> 00:35:56.885 Yeah. 00:35:57.125 --> 00:35:59.855 And, and so this was the one, while a lot of fun. 00:35:59.855 --> 00:36:01.325 So I actually did get to play. 00:36:01.385 --> 00:36:04.325 So I played a, I chose a Rogue, this was one that we had pre gen 00:36:04.330 --> 00:36:07.625 characters and I, but I'd never played the subclass Assassin. 00:36:07.630 --> 00:36:08.155 Mm-hmm. 00:36:08.240 --> 00:36:08.585 and hot. 00:36:08.585 --> 00:36:08.885 Damn. 00:36:08.915 --> 00:36:12.605 My, my dice were on my side, and I was like a killing machine. 00:36:12.605 --> 00:36:16.475 So spoiler alert friends, I will be rolling up an assassin 00:36:16.475 --> 00:36:17.945 rogue in my near future. 00:36:18.845 --> 00:36:21.695 But this was one of the places where like, if we start to talk about some of 00:36:21.695 --> 00:36:25.055 the low points, one of the things that we noticed at several of the tables was. 00:36:25.355 --> 00:36:28.355 And this is a hard thing to put on a volunteer GM who is giving their 00:36:28.355 --> 00:36:31.775 heart and their soul to running games for strangers at a conference. 00:36:31.775 --> 00:36:34.865 But there was an overall lack of table management. 00:36:34.895 --> 00:36:35.045 Mm-hmm. 00:36:35.345 --> 00:36:40.505 Coupled with you have strangers who all play different styles of games. 00:36:40.505 --> 00:36:43.805 And so like in our games, we're very role play heavy. 00:36:43.865 --> 00:36:47.345 We've already joked it takes us 45 minutes to go through the door because 00:36:47.345 --> 00:36:49.355 we want to ask what's my motivation? 00:36:49.355 --> 00:36:49.445 Mm-hmm. 00:36:49.685 --> 00:36:52.385 With which style do I walk through the door, you know? 00:36:52.865 --> 00:36:56.675 Um, and, and we recognize that not everybody is like that. 00:36:56.675 --> 00:37:01.235 And so at our 5e table, we had a very mixed bag of play styles. 00:37:01.240 --> 00:37:01.495 Mm-hmm. 00:37:01.835 --> 00:37:03.545 and neuro divergence. 00:37:03.940 --> 00:37:08.260 Which was very distracting because, you know, we had some people just 00:37:08.260 --> 00:37:11.830 wanted to chitter through everything, but not in a role playing way. 00:37:12.520 --> 00:37:12.610 Yeah. 00:37:12.610 --> 00:37:12.700 Right. 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.450 And so we were trying to, Yes, And the hell out of a lot of this, our, our 00:37:16.455 --> 00:37:24.190 goal in this game was to get a betrothed bride to her rich count for marriage. 00:37:24.490 --> 00:37:27.790 And so, of course the three of us chaos gremlins were like, but why? 00:37:27.790 --> 00:37:27.850 Yeah. 00:37:27.970 --> 00:37:29.260 Does she wanna get married? 00:37:29.260 --> 00:37:30.460 Does she even like this guy? 00:37:30.460 --> 00:37:32.980 So we're trying to like, talk the bride. 00:37:32.985 --> 00:37:36.670 Fitz: We, we gave her an opportunity to escape into the woods with us. 00:37:36.790 --> 00:37:36.850 Yeah. 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.810 Like we're trying in every way possible to just make a story that 00:37:40.810 --> 00:37:42.670 seems fun and make sense to us. 00:37:42.675 --> 00:37:44.500 But that was not the vibe to the table. 00:37:44.500 --> 00:37:45.060 Alison: That was not the vibe. 00:37:45.370 --> 00:37:45.490 Yeah. 00:37:45.490 --> 00:37:47.200 The first thing that, you know, drag him along. 00:37:47.350 --> 00:37:49.210 The first thing that GM had mentioned, you know, she's role 00:37:49.210 --> 00:37:52.340 playing the bride, is that the bride wanted to go to a card-hall. 00:37:52.670 --> 00:37:53.280 Mm-hmm. 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.470 . Well, I'm playing a rogue, I hear card hall, I want a slide of hands some shit. 00:37:57.650 --> 00:37:58.910 So I'm like, we're going. 00:37:58.910 --> 00:38:01.730 And, and it was, I could tell that others at the table were frustrated 00:38:01.730 --> 00:38:05.270 cuz they were like, no, we're getting paid to go on this adventure, you know? 00:38:05.270 --> 00:38:05.360 Yeah. 00:38:05.690 --> 00:38:08.300 And that was one of the first, you know, record scratch moments of 00:38:08.300 --> 00:38:12.440 like, oh God, I've mistepped, like, these people don't want to go off and 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.500 role play a, a, a seedy card hall. 00:38:15.710 --> 00:38:15.800 Right. 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.740 They just want to get on the road and find the foes on the adventure 00:38:18.740 --> 00:38:20.570 we're supposed to be having. 00:38:20.660 --> 00:38:20.750 Yeah. 00:38:21.230 --> 00:38:23.780 Fitz: Neither, neither play style is wrong. 00:38:23.810 --> 00:38:31.100 No, it's absolutely, some people just want to get an adventure, do that 00:38:31.100 --> 00:38:36.110 adventure, get some loot, you know, feel the accomplishment of just doing the 00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:38.960 thing that was on the, the job board. 00:38:38.965 --> 00:38:39.050 Mm-hmm. 00:38:39.290 --> 00:38:41.150 For that at that local tavern. 00:38:41.450 --> 00:38:44.570 And that is enough to bring them satisfaction because 00:38:44.600 --> 00:38:49.280 there's game mechanics that they can crunch and loot to find. 00:38:49.910 --> 00:38:54.050 The way that we find joy is, is not that. 00:38:54.050 --> 00:38:54.380 Mm-hmm. 00:38:54.660 --> 00:38:55.310 It's different. 00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:56.540 It's, it's just different. 00:38:56.600 --> 00:38:57.590 It's just different. 00:38:57.595 --> 00:39:00.080 And neither play style is wrong. 00:39:00.350 --> 00:39:00.470 No. 00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:07.880 It just, I don't think it is an entirely wonderful time when you 00:39:07.940 --> 00:39:14.330 get two groups of people from, you know, one from each play style and 00:39:14.330 --> 00:39:17.030 smash 'em on a table and say, go. 00:39:17.090 --> 00:39:17.300 Yeah. 00:39:17.300 --> 00:39:17.480 Yep. 00:39:17.780 --> 00:39:21.260 You know, the, the goals are different for each group and each 00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:23.060 group is going to annoy the other. 00:39:23.090 --> 00:39:23.270 Matt: Yes. 00:39:23.430 --> 00:39:23.750 Right. 00:39:23.750 --> 00:39:24.070 Right. 00:39:24.070 --> 00:39:24.270 Yep. 00:39:24.275 --> 00:39:24.530 Right. 00:39:24.620 --> 00:39:30.893 And I, I think this is where it became very clear to b to all of us that, it, 00:39:30.893 --> 00:39:35.953 it needs to be said that, that Gary Gygax and, Arneson invented the game. 00:39:35.953 --> 00:39:40.557 And so there's a lot of, there's a lot of Gary Gygax fanboys mm-hmm. 00:39:40.827 --> 00:39:43.942 That are at this, conference that knew these original games. 00:39:43.992 --> 00:39:47.322 Gentlemen in their fifties, sixties, mm-hmm. 00:39:47.502 --> 00:39:50.382 uh, that had been playing this game since they were 10. 00:39:50.502 --> 00:39:50.592 Mm-hmm. 00:39:50.837 --> 00:39:51.242 and earlier. 00:39:51.552 --> 00:39:55.792 And, uh, it's something that they do with their, with, you 00:39:55.792 --> 00:39:57.082 know, the drinking buddies. 00:39:57.172 --> 00:39:57.322 Yep. 00:39:57.382 --> 00:39:59.582 And it's not an emotional thing. 00:39:59.587 --> 00:39:59.802 Mm-hmm. 00:40:00.182 --> 00:40:00.183 Mm-hmm. 00:40:00.189 --> 00:40:03.392 it's, it's, it's, it's a way to express themselves. 00:40:03.392 --> 00:40:04.832 doesn't need to be therapeutic. 00:40:04.892 --> 00:40:04.952 Yeah. 00:40:05.042 --> 00:40:08.642 And the other thing of course, which that means then if I am 00:40:08.882 --> 00:40:11.576 a 50 year old that has adhd. 00:40:11.746 --> 00:40:13.336 I am diagnosed as such. 00:40:13.396 --> 00:40:13.486 Yeah. 00:40:13.486 --> 00:40:18.916 But there will be a lot of Gentlemen and, and women, uh, with ADHD and 00:40:18.916 --> 00:40:24.016 other neurodivergent brains that are undiagnosed and they don't realize this. 00:40:24.076 --> 00:40:28.726 And so that was one thing that we kind of hit us in the face was like, oh my gosh. 00:40:28.936 --> 00:40:32.806 One thing that's happening here is that there's a ton of people with 00:40:33.296 --> 00:40:38.746 ADHD and maybe on the spectrum of autism that will never know. 00:40:38.746 --> 00:40:40.096 That don't need to know that. 00:40:40.106 --> 00:40:40.346 Yeah. 00:40:40.351 --> 00:40:43.486 They, they, they're living their lives wherever they're living them and, and, 00:40:43.966 --> 00:40:48.346 you know, have loving wives and children and, and this is the game that they play. 00:40:48.346 --> 00:40:51.586 But we see these traits in these people Yeah. 00:40:51.586 --> 00:40:54.046 Who are like, oh my god, my dude. 00:40:54.076 --> 00:40:55.966 That's, wow. 00:40:55.966 --> 00:41:01.426 That's, that's what it's like to, to not be aware of your self. 00:41:02.146 --> 00:41:02.506 Yeah. 00:41:02.656 --> 00:41:04.096 Not to be aware of your brain. 00:41:04.126 --> 00:41:07.926 And, uh, again, it would've been very easy for me to not be 00:41:07.926 --> 00:41:09.726 diagnosed with ADHD, I think. 00:41:09.726 --> 00:41:10.166 Mm-hmm. 00:41:10.251 --> 00:41:11.346 So I'm not knocking them. 00:41:11.346 --> 00:41:14.446 But it, it answered a lot of like, what is going on here? 00:41:14.506 --> 00:41:14.656 Yeah. 00:41:14.746 --> 00:41:15.026 For us. 00:41:15.026 --> 00:41:15.426 Yeah. 00:41:15.431 --> 00:41:18.226 And especially in that game, we, we were saddled with some 00:41:18.231 --> 00:41:20.356 people who were perfectly nice. 00:41:20.596 --> 00:41:20.626 Okay. 00:41:20.716 --> 00:41:26.026 Um, but yeah, like you said, just not, not our crew. 00:41:26.386 --> 00:41:29.266 Fitz: Perfectly nice, perfectly passionate about the game. 00:41:29.266 --> 00:41:29.356 Yes. 00:41:29.361 --> 00:41:32.326 Just in a different way than we are, number one. 00:41:32.746 --> 00:41:39.826 And number two, they had, um, I feel like behaviors is a strong word, but 00:41:39.826 --> 00:41:44.776 I don't know another, another term for it, but just the way that they 00:41:44.781 --> 00:41:46.546 sort of exist in their own space. 00:41:46.546 --> 00:41:46.606 Yeah. 00:41:46.611 --> 00:41:47.626 And in their own body. 00:41:49.996 --> 00:41:55.826 Did so in such a way that was then triggering to ADHD tendencies. 00:41:56.536 --> 00:41:56.626 Yes. 00:41:56.626 --> 00:41:58.126 In the others who are maybe. 00:41:59.161 --> 00:41:59.891 It's like more aware. 00:41:59.891 --> 00:42:01.681 It's a, it's a cyclical thing, right? 00:42:01.681 --> 00:42:02.161 It was, yeah. 00:42:02.221 --> 00:42:04.921 Alison: One, like one of my things with ADHD because I have 00:42:04.921 --> 00:42:07.141 impulsive and not inattentive right. 00:42:07.171 --> 00:42:10.651 Is that I can be very focused until I'm not. 00:42:10.891 --> 00:42:11.131 Mm-hmm. 00:42:11.371 --> 00:42:17.191 And once, once I am pulled out of it, game over for me. 00:42:17.371 --> 00:42:21.601 And, and I definitely at certain tables throughout the weekend, like once I'd 00:42:21.601 --> 00:42:26.641 hit my max threshold of tolerance mm-hmm. 00:42:26.771 --> 00:42:27.011 mm-hmm. 00:42:27.451 --> 00:42:29.641 I then couldn't, I couldn't get back into it. 00:42:29.731 --> 00:42:29.931 Right. 00:42:29.931 --> 00:42:30.011 Right. 00:42:30.011 --> 00:42:34.081 I, there's nothing I could do to reinvigorate and replug myself back in. 00:42:34.171 --> 00:42:34.441 Yeah. 00:42:34.681 --> 00:42:35.821 Um, so, 00:42:35.881 --> 00:42:43.451 Matt: And my, and, and , my, my issue was I was struggling so, so hard to 00:42:44.401 --> 00:42:50.071 focus on the, the, the game and the Dungeon Master of what she was trying 00:42:50.071 --> 00:42:54.601 to do and say that by the, at the end of that I almost passed out. 00:42:54.631 --> 00:42:54.691 Yeah. 00:42:54.691 --> 00:42:55.801 I was so exhausted. 00:42:55.801 --> 00:42:55.861 Yeah. 00:42:55.866 --> 00:42:58.591 Mentally just crushed. 00:42:58.801 --> 00:43:01.541 Cause I was just using every ounce of my being. 00:43:01.541 --> 00:43:04.261 Alison: Well, you, you said it too, we're also very used to each other 00:43:04.261 --> 00:43:05.761 and like have a comfort level. 00:43:05.761 --> 00:43:05.851 Mm-hmm. 00:43:06.281 --> 00:43:10.051 , and again, comes with us being friends and not strangers of like, I know 00:43:10.056 --> 00:43:12.571 when either of you say to me, and not that you would ever say it this 00:43:12.576 --> 00:43:15.031 way, but like, you're at a 10 and I need you somewhere around a six. 00:43:15.036 --> 00:43:16.321 You would never say that to me that way. 00:43:16.321 --> 00:43:16.521 Right. 00:43:16.526 --> 00:43:19.081 But, but you can communicate that to me of like, the energy 00:43:19.081 --> 00:43:20.221 is overwhelming me right now. 00:43:20.221 --> 00:43:20.401 Right. 00:43:20.821 --> 00:43:22.441 Um, is there anything that can be done? 00:43:22.591 --> 00:43:24.691 I can go take a walk kind of a thing. 00:43:24.721 --> 00:43:24.841 Yeah. 00:43:25.051 --> 00:43:28.291 And, and, and, and we did, we did not have the free space to necessarily do that. 00:43:28.291 --> 00:43:28.381 Right. 00:43:28.411 --> 00:43:31.021 Which, you know, which, which we all felt. 00:43:31.081 --> 00:43:31.501 Fitz: Yeah. 00:43:31.591 --> 00:43:31.831 Yeah. 00:43:31.831 --> 00:43:36.481 I only hit overload for sure, once, maybe one or two other times. 00:43:36.481 --> 00:43:40.036 I, I was starting to be like, Do I need to miss? 00:43:40.276 --> 00:43:43.126 Because the problem is, is if you need to step away from the game, 00:43:43.126 --> 00:43:44.296 you're missing some of the game. 00:43:44.296 --> 00:43:45.826 And this is the only opportunity. 00:43:46.006 --> 00:43:46.156 Mm-hmm. 00:43:46.396 --> 00:43:50.656 it's, it's, it's harder to be like, can we take a five if it's our home game? 00:43:50.656 --> 00:43:53.326 Because we have an infinite amount of time to deal with this. 00:43:53.326 --> 00:43:56.896 We can, even if we stop right now, we have next week, we have the week after. 00:43:57.046 --> 00:43:57.166 Yeah. 00:43:57.166 --> 00:44:00.256 But when you're in a one shot like this, you gotta, you gotta, you 00:44:00.256 --> 00:44:03.226 gotta either power through or accept that you're gonna miss something. 00:44:03.286 --> 00:44:03.586 Yeah. 00:44:03.886 --> 00:44:07.396 And the fear of missing out is strong. 00:44:07.496 --> 00:44:08.006 It is. 00:44:08.016 --> 00:44:08.846 Oh, it is. 00:44:09.616 --> 00:44:10.166 Alison: It is. 00:44:10.366 --> 00:44:11.986 So that leads us to Saturday night. 00:44:12.016 --> 00:44:12.256 Yes. 00:44:12.326 --> 00:44:12.686 Yes. 00:44:12.691 --> 00:44:13.766 Matt: Luckily, luckily 00:44:13.771 --> 00:44:15.856 Alison: Beautiful cherry on top of a 00:44:15.909 --> 00:44:17.359 Fitz: A gorgeous, gorgeous Saturday evening. 00:44:17.359 --> 00:44:17.559 A 00:44:17.564 --> 00:44:18.639 Alison: Gorgeous evening, gorgeous. 00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:19.309 Fitz: In so many ways. 00:44:19.309 --> 00:44:20.955 Alison: And this one was not even on my radar. 00:44:20.955 --> 00:44:26.475 And I'm so thankful that Matt saw this and immediately went, wait, wait, wait. 00:44:26.475 --> 00:44:27.405 Let's get that on our schedule. 00:44:27.405 --> 00:44:28.815 So Matt, you wanna tell us a little bit about it? 00:44:28.845 --> 00:44:29.295 Matt: Yes. 00:44:29.295 --> 00:44:32.870 So, in researching this game in the last three years, there have 00:44:32.870 --> 00:44:37.910 been certain things about the fifth edition of D&D that I do actually 00:44:37.915 --> 00:44:40.250 miss from the osr from the old school. 00:44:40.340 --> 00:44:40.430 Mm-hmm. 00:44:40.430 --> 00:44:40.990 Things mm-hmm. 00:44:41.075 --> 00:44:42.980 , the, there's a little bit of stakes that I miss. 00:44:43.030 --> 00:44:43.270 Mm-hmm. 00:44:43.350 --> 00:44:46.760 there's a, I love the role, the role playing, I love the storytelling 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:50.271 element and I love the ease, but there's always a, there's a little 00:44:50.276 --> 00:44:51.710 bit that I've kind of wondered. 00:44:51.710 --> 00:44:57.440 So I would go scouring YouTube and, and the inter internet in general and try 00:44:57.670 --> 00:45:00.740 to find others that felt the same way. 00:45:00.770 --> 00:45:00.860 Mm-hmm. 00:45:01.105 --> 00:45:07.130 And in my research, I came across, uh, a fellow, uh, that his channel 00:45:07.130 --> 00:45:08.470 is called the Dungeon Coach. 00:45:09.515 --> 00:45:14.165 And immediately, uh, watching a few videos, I'm like, this is the guy, this is 00:45:14.165 --> 00:45:19.835 the guy, this is, he's saying everything that I feel could be adjusted in 5e to 00:45:19.835 --> 00:45:22.055 make me per personally happier, right? 00:45:22.060 --> 00:45:22.345 Mm-hmm. 00:45:23.045 --> 00:45:28.545 So I became, uh, you know, a, a big fan of his and, and, uh, started 00:45:28.685 --> 00:45:30.305 supporting him, the Patreon. 00:45:30.305 --> 00:45:37.145 And he, and he's released a book, um, with a lot of his, his homebrewed, um, 00:45:37.385 --> 00:45:42.785 adjustments to 5e, the 5e game, how to play 5e in a, you know, and, and he, he 00:45:42.790 --> 00:45:47.435 made sure that all of these different rules were modular so you could pick and 00:45:47.435 --> 00:45:49.295 choose, which I always thought was nice. 00:45:49.415 --> 00:45:53.525 Anyway, his energy is really bright and up, and he's a young guy and he's, 00:45:53.525 --> 00:46:00.065 um, he's a, you know, he was a, a, he, he was a high school teacher and, uh, 00:46:00.365 --> 00:46:04.445 and a coach, and then he, you know, but he just, you could tell that he loves, 00:46:04.445 --> 00:46:08.885 loves, loves this game, loves role playing, loves being a, a Dungeon Master. 00:46:09.620 --> 00:46:18.650 . And so, uh, when the, when the OGL, um, hullabaloo happened recently, he said, I, 00:46:18.860 --> 00:46:22.400 I, I love 5e, I love Dungeons and Dragons. 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.490 I'm not, not going to, but there is some riding on the wall and I'm going 00:46:25.495 --> 00:46:28.220 to take a crack at building my own RPG. 00:46:28.610 --> 00:46:31.610 So he started talking about that in, in his channel, and 00:46:31.640 --> 00:46:34.040 I said, yeah, man, go, go, go. 00:46:34.670 --> 00:46:41.300 Um, and he brought it to GaryCon to be an Alpha Play test, and 00:46:41.300 --> 00:46:45.740 I kind of thought, because this was, this was a few months ago. 00:46:45.745 --> 00:46:45.890 Mm-hmm. 00:46:45.975 --> 00:46:47.300 This was really just a few months ago. 00:46:47.750 --> 00:46:51.680 Uh, and I kind of thought that we would be playing something that was basically 00:46:51.680 --> 00:46:56.510 5e with a few of his adjustments, maybe change a couple of things here and there. 00:46:56.510 --> 00:47:02.330 But no man, he has really, uh, Alan has really, really built 00:47:02.330 --> 00:47:05.120 a beautiful, uh, It's very new. 00:47:05.120 --> 00:47:05.660 It's very new. 00:47:05.660 --> 00:47:06.410 There's a lot of stuff. 00:47:06.410 --> 00:47:08.690 He's literally working on it right now. 00:47:08.930 --> 00:47:09.450 Mm-hmm. 00:47:09.530 --> 00:47:11.510 , but, uh, some amazing things. 00:47:11.510 --> 00:47:15.540 And I'd say by far it was our favorite game of the, of the Con. 00:47:15.680 --> 00:47:16.250 Oh, for sure. 00:47:16.580 --> 00:47:22.070 And just so impressed with him and his energy and his, his talent 00:47:22.160 --> 00:47:24.740 and his, his drive and passion. 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.940 So we got to play this very small session with him. 00:47:29.030 --> 00:47:32.880 Uh, and actually another YouTuber, um, the, the DM Lair, 00:47:33.410 --> 00:47:36.070 his name is Luke, uh, DM's Lair. 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.590 Uh, also a great talent, um, scene. 00:47:39.620 --> 00:47:40.820 Those, those two are pals. 00:47:40.820 --> 00:47:45.490 And, and we got to try out this new game, which is nothing like 5e. 00:47:45.830 --> 00:47:46.310 Really. 00:47:46.340 --> 00:47:50.770 Fitz: Well, and it's interesting because it's nothing like 5e except 00:47:50.770 --> 00:47:56.840 if you've played 5e you absolutely have enough familiarity Yes. 00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:02.270 With it that you can pick up and go. 00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:02.480 Yeah. 00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:02.780 Yep. 00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:08.510 You know, I did not feel that much friction between being handed 00:48:09.020 --> 00:48:14.570 the new rules, the new character sheet, the new spell system, and 00:48:14.600 --> 00:48:17.060 being able to just let loose. 00:48:17.065 --> 00:48:17.180 Yeah. 00:48:17.660 --> 00:48:17.750 Alison: Yep. 00:48:18.350 --> 00:48:18.620 Yeah. 00:48:18.830 --> 00:48:20.690 Alan, you could tell he's a former teacher. 00:48:20.700 --> 00:48:21.060 Yeah. 00:48:21.065 --> 00:48:21.200 Yeah. 00:48:21.350 --> 00:48:26.270 And so, you know, he did a, an absolute magnificent job of leading us through. 00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:30.410 And so he gave us, they were pre-generated characters, but that we still had 00:48:30.410 --> 00:48:32.630 a little bit of finagling to do. 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.140 So he was able to walk us through the rolling for the stats and help 00:48:36.140 --> 00:48:38.450 us understand the character sheet. 00:48:38.720 --> 00:48:41.870 Fitz: Well, it wasn't even, I, you know, I would go as far and say 00:48:41.870 --> 00:48:43.820 that it wasn't pre gen characters. 00:48:43.850 --> 00:48:44.420 It's true. 00:48:44.540 --> 00:48:48.650 You know, he let us pick where to put our ability scores. 00:48:48.680 --> 00:48:49.490 Yes, you're right. 00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:52.700 And the ability score choosing was actually quite simple. 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:56.780 Alison: So it was, it was pre gen race class combos. 00:48:56.780 --> 00:48:56.870 Yes. 00:48:56.870 --> 00:49:00.390 So like I was handed a sheet where I was playing a tiefling, 00:49:00.410 --> 00:49:02.340 uh, type of a wizard, a Psion. 00:49:02.690 --> 00:49:02.930 Right. 00:49:02.990 --> 00:49:04.820 And that, yes, that was the only pre gen part. 00:49:04.820 --> 00:49:09.200 So it came with like a, a spell that was one of like a, it was a tiefling trait. 00:49:09.350 --> 00:49:12.380 Matt: And that's probably more in the simply the alpha. 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:12.680 Yeah. 00:49:12.680 --> 00:49:14.990 Than, you know, when he for sure fills it all out. 00:49:14.995 --> 00:49:15.160 For sure. 00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:16.580 You'll have far more choices, but 00:49:16.580 --> 00:49:17.060 Alison: Yeah, exactly. 00:49:17.060 --> 00:49:17.780 Yeah, exactly. 00:49:17.780 --> 00:49:18.080 Go for. 00:49:18.230 --> 00:49:19.040 But I like that. 00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:19.310 Yeah. 00:49:19.315 --> 00:49:22.520 Kind of to your point of like there was enough of enough rails for us to 00:49:22.520 --> 00:49:27.440 stay on, but I found the whole thing because I play 5e, very intuitive. 00:49:27.470 --> 00:49:27.560 Yeah. 00:49:27.560 --> 00:49:27.650 Yes. 00:49:27.740 --> 00:49:30.800 There were other things at other tables where I was given instructions 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.585 and I just had to keep asking the same questions over and over again. 00:49:34.335 --> 00:49:36.815 A, cuz I don't know that we were well taught Yeah. 00:49:36.845 --> 00:49:39.575 In the beginning and then and, and then two because what 00:49:39.575 --> 00:49:40.805 we were doing was confusing. 00:49:40.865 --> 00:49:40.985 Yeah. 00:49:41.255 --> 00:49:44.615 And this was neither, it was both intuitive and well taught. 00:49:44.675 --> 00:49:44.855 Yes. 00:49:44.935 --> 00:49:45.135 Yes. 00:49:45.140 --> 00:49:46.865 So everything he said made sense. 00:49:47.585 --> 00:49:50.315 One of my favorite things about Alan, besides his just general 00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:53.045 warmth and friendliness, Alan, we are all fan girls and boys, by the 00:49:53.045 --> 00:49:54.515 way, if you're listening mm-hmm. 00:49:54.755 --> 00:49:56.795 was, he wanted us to break it. 00:49:56.815 --> 00:49:57.095 Mm-hmm. 00:49:57.175 --> 00:49:58.655 And I love that sense of playfulness. 00:49:58.660 --> 00:50:00.515 Like that is why you play test. 00:50:00.545 --> 00:50:00.695 Yeah. 00:50:00.695 --> 00:50:02.915 Matt: He started off by saying, look, I've had it. 00:50:02.945 --> 00:50:05.735 I, I said, how, how, how are, have the other sessions gone? 00:50:05.740 --> 00:50:07.835 Because he, he did a few play tests. 00:50:07.835 --> 00:50:09.575 He said they've all gone so well. 00:50:09.935 --> 00:50:12.555 Not one person that said anything disparaging about this game. 00:50:12.665 --> 00:50:13.625 Alison: We said, game on. 00:50:15.085 --> 00:50:17.705 Matt: I want some honest, constructive, I want to know 00:50:18.135 --> 00:50:19.235 anything that does not quite work. 00:50:19.235 --> 00:50:21.155 So we did, we did give him some of that. 00:50:21.155 --> 00:50:21.365 So 00:50:21.535 --> 00:50:21.895 Fitz: we, yeah. 00:50:21.895 --> 00:50:25.175 Like I specifically, we asked him what had not been play tested. 00:50:25.175 --> 00:50:25.575 Mm-hmm. 00:50:25.745 --> 00:50:26.615 . And we wanted those things. 00:50:26.615 --> 00:50:27.135 Wanted those things. 00:50:27.135 --> 00:50:27.935 We took those things. 00:50:27.940 --> 00:50:32.195 So I, I nabbed his Cleric, cuz that's, it's, I'm familiar with it. 00:50:32.570 --> 00:50:35.240 But no one had played it and this was different enough. 00:50:35.660 --> 00:50:37.250 And boy did I try to break it. 00:50:37.340 --> 00:50:37.730 Alison: Yeah. 00:50:37.790 --> 00:50:42.980 Well we watched Fitz break Alan's brain with how masterfully she did 00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:47.120 something he, he wanted her to do, but he said nobody had ever done. 00:50:47.540 --> 00:50:50.180 And it's cuz Fitz is very good at being analytical and just 00:50:50.180 --> 00:50:51.530 reading step by step by step. 00:50:51.530 --> 00:50:53.180 And you can be a very linear thinker. 00:50:53.240 --> 00:50:53.360 Mm-hmm. 00:50:53.690 --> 00:50:57.260 . And so we wa well, but if this is happening, then this must happen. 00:50:57.260 --> 00:50:58.100 And he, he goes, yeah. 00:50:58.100 --> 00:51:00.680 And if that and that's happening, then this can happen. 00:51:00.680 --> 00:51:01.850 And you're watching him. 00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:02.090 Yeah. 00:51:02.150 --> 00:51:04.310 Like a kid on Christmas morning. 00:51:04.370 --> 00:51:05.780 Yeah, yeah. 00:51:05.780 --> 00:51:10.730 And you know, and she did she got this like just hellacious heal down because 00:51:10.730 --> 00:51:15.200 she just like, and I think that was Yes, it was logic you were reading, you know, 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.090 Fitz kept saying, oh, I was just reading. 00:51:17.095 --> 00:51:18.380 But it was intuitive for you. 00:51:18.385 --> 00:51:18.720 It was 00:51:18.725 --> 00:51:22.670 Matt: And that was that, by the way, that callback, that was the, that 00:51:22.675 --> 00:51:25.100 was the OCD magic power that, yep. 00:51:25.100 --> 00:51:26.150 That I, I think. 00:51:26.670 --> 00:51:28.310 It's so impressive to me. 00:51:28.340 --> 00:51:28.640 Yeah. 00:51:29.160 --> 00:51:29.660 Fitz: Watching you do that. 00:51:29.810 --> 00:51:36.470 So, I will admit, my one OCD superpower is that I, I not like, it's not a, I 00:51:36.470 --> 00:51:40.910 do not have a photographic me memory or whatever that's called where you 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:42.440 remember what you've seen mm-hmm. 00:51:42.740 --> 00:51:45.440 but I know exactly where everything I own is. 00:51:45.470 --> 00:51:45.530 Yeah. 00:51:46.150 --> 00:51:49.520 I know where every paperclip I own lives. 00:51:49.550 --> 00:51:49.970 I know. 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:50.720 Like, wow. 00:51:50.725 --> 00:51:52.760 I know where everything I own lives. 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.010 And if it's not in that spot, something has gone wrong. 00:51:55.310 --> 00:51:55.370 Yeah. 00:51:55.370 --> 00:51:55.460 Where, 00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:57.040 Alison: What is that, what is that like? 00:51:57.170 --> 00:51:58.120 Oh my God. 00:51:58.550 --> 00:52:01.250 Fitz: There've been, you know, there have been times where I call home, 00:52:01.250 --> 00:52:02.600 I'm, I'm out and about or whatever. 00:52:02.605 --> 00:52:04.460 Hey, could you grab my bathing suit? 00:52:04.460 --> 00:52:07.820 I want the green one that's in, it's in my top drawer at the 00:52:07.820 --> 00:52:09.380 back all the way to the left. 00:52:09.410 --> 00:52:10.080 Oh my God. 00:52:10.160 --> 00:52:10.370 Yeah. 00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.580 Like I know exactly where these things are and where they're folded and Wow. 00:52:13.970 --> 00:52:19.310 So when it comes to that character sheet, I was very intentional of reading the 00:52:19.310 --> 00:52:25.520 spots that were, significant to me cuz they're based on what I had chosen, 00:52:25.520 --> 00:52:27.050 some parts of the sheet were irrelevant. 00:52:27.130 --> 00:52:27.370 Mm-hmm. 00:52:27.450 --> 00:52:31.700 . So I didn't look at those and I just knew, you know, okay, this is, 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.160 this is where these things live, this is where these things live. 00:52:34.190 --> 00:52:37.040 And to then, I didn't memorize anything. 00:52:37.040 --> 00:52:39.860 You just know where to look on the sheet when you're doing 00:52:39.865 --> 00:52:40.640 so, when you're doing it. 00:52:40.670 --> 00:52:40.910 Yep. 00:52:41.180 --> 00:52:47.540 And so I intentionally spammed that, that that particular role 00:52:47.540 --> 00:52:52.520 was, I knew that I could spam it and so I wanted to try to break it. 00:52:52.520 --> 00:52:55.670 I wanted him to say, I'm gonna have to fix that. 00:52:55.850 --> 00:52:56.210 Matt: Yeah. 00:52:56.210 --> 00:52:56.690 Alison: Yeah. 00:52:57.120 --> 00:52:57.610 Yeah. 00:52:57.670 --> 00:53:00.800 But it was, it was, you know, one of the things that we had said that was, 00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.760 you know, we, and we get not the space and the time for it always, but we had 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.450 felt some lack of Yes, And at various other tables throughout the mm-hmm. 00:53:08.530 --> 00:53:10.100 and, and again, it's, it's a time constraint. 00:53:10.105 --> 00:53:10.160 Yeah. 00:53:10.160 --> 00:53:11.330 It's a different play style. 00:53:11.690 --> 00:53:11.750 Yeah. 00:53:11.900 --> 00:53:15.050 But this was one of the first tables where, so first of all, we were playing 00:53:15.050 --> 00:53:18.035 with Luke and I thought he was Hilarious. 00:53:18.040 --> 00:53:18.685 Yes, it truly is. 00:53:18.690 --> 00:53:19.285 It was. 00:53:19.290 --> 00:53:22.055 So, you know, and so he he was impulsive. 00:53:22.085 --> 00:53:22.145 Yeah. 00:53:22.145 --> 00:53:23.825 Both he and his character, right. 00:53:23.885 --> 00:53:26.315 And so there was just, it was, everything was done in the 00:53:26.315 --> 00:53:27.785 spirit and elements of fun. 00:53:27.935 --> 00:53:32.225 It was nothing, but Yes, And, yeah, I, I actually, so, you know, Matt and I were 00:53:32.225 --> 00:53:35.465 talking and I, I think I'm gonna roll up a version of this character because 00:53:35.555 --> 00:53:37.745 I liked playing it so very much mm-hmm. 00:53:37.985 --> 00:53:38.045 Yeah. 00:53:38.045 --> 00:53:38.855 And in this world. 00:53:38.855 --> 00:53:41.945 And, and, and we told Alan, you know, we gave him some really candid, 00:53:41.945 --> 00:53:43.355 honest feedback at the end of it. 00:53:43.745 --> 00:53:47.645 Um, but we also were like, if you need continuous play, because that's one thing 00:53:47.645 --> 00:53:49.325 he needs to continue to play test it. 00:53:49.365 --> 00:53:49.685 Mm-hmm. 00:53:49.775 --> 00:53:52.355 You know, out of one shots to see like, does it scale? 00:53:52.355 --> 00:53:55.445 So as you move up through the levels, do the things you think are gonna happen, do 00:53:55.445 --> 00:53:58.955 they happen or do, are you just suddenly level six and completely overpowered? 00:53:59.045 --> 00:53:59.165 Yeah. 00:53:59.165 --> 00:54:02.945 Fitz: He did admit, he self-admittedly said, I think at level five this is 00:54:02.945 --> 00:54:04.505 going to break, this is going to, . Yeah. 00:54:04.505 --> 00:54:08.825 But you know, he also put on us a few goal, like cuz we asked him what hasn't 00:54:08.825 --> 00:54:10.115 been done, what needs to be tested? 00:54:10.115 --> 00:54:12.605 And he said nobody's hit zero hit points yet. 00:54:12.995 --> 00:54:16.145 And our dear Matt said, I can do this. 00:54:16.215 --> 00:54:16.495 Alison: Yes. 00:54:17.235 --> 00:54:18.875 Matt: I accept that challenge. 00:54:18.875 --> 00:54:20.730 Fitz: Not only did you do it once, You did, 00:54:20.730 --> 00:54:21.320 Alison: you did it twice. 00:54:21.350 --> 00:54:22.160 Overachiever. 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:22.770 I know. 00:54:22.775 --> 00:54:26.120 And so your, your class that you played was new to the system. 00:54:26.120 --> 00:54:27.530 It was called a warlord. 00:54:27.530 --> 00:54:28.820 Matt: A Warlord, yeah. 00:54:28.820 --> 00:54:28.821 Yeah. 00:54:29.490 --> 00:54:29.690 Hardcore. 00:54:29.720 --> 00:54:32.630 It was a non-magic casting. 00:54:32.635 --> 00:54:34.130 I loved his magic system, by the way. 00:54:34.130 --> 00:54:35.600 I love the concept of mana points. 00:54:35.605 --> 00:54:35.770 Mm-hmm. 00:54:35.850 --> 00:54:40.460 . But, uh, it was a martial class, but it had elements of Bard. 00:54:40.570 --> 00:54:41.010 Yeah. 00:54:41.015 --> 00:54:44.600 Like, like, you know, sort of being able to rally readying the field 00:54:44.690 --> 00:54:47.840 and playing the field and bringing people up and giving them, you know, 00:54:48.260 --> 00:54:49.910 Alison: And you did that beautifully with me. 00:54:49.910 --> 00:54:53.480 There was a point where my character was very much in danger about to 00:54:53.485 --> 00:54:55.250 be beaten to death by a giant ogre. 00:54:55.250 --> 00:54:57.470 And you were able to kind of come over and use Yeah. 00:54:57.530 --> 00:54:59.930 Your powers to, to flip places with me. 00:55:00.230 --> 00:55:00.350 Yeah. 00:55:00.350 --> 00:55:02.120 So you could die instead of me. 00:55:02.210 --> 00:55:05.510 Fitz: It was almost like you could do area, like, or or batter, 00:55:05.540 --> 00:55:08.270 battlefield support, an area of effect. 00:55:08.270 --> 00:55:10.370 Things without access to magic. 00:55:10.370 --> 00:55:10.550 Right. 00:55:10.550 --> 00:55:14.750 Without magic, with all martial-based Uhhuh and just like commanding 00:55:14.750 --> 00:55:19.400 presences and things like that, that you were able to manipulate the field. 00:55:19.520 --> 00:55:19.910 Yeah. 00:55:19.910 --> 00:55:21.920 To make it more beneficial to the party. 00:55:22.220 --> 00:55:22.910 Matt: Yeah. 00:55:23.050 --> 00:55:27.410 And, and, and it's, I definitely urge everybody listening that, that plays this 00:55:27.410 --> 00:55:32.240 game to go and, you know, start, you know, start following him and, and get, get on 00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:36.590 the ground floor as far as like learning this thing, cuz it is, it is really cool. 00:55:36.590 --> 00:55:41.210 He has taken, he has taken the elements of 5e in other games that he really 00:55:41.210 --> 00:55:46.250 loves and I think is in the process of putting them together in such a fun way. 00:55:46.610 --> 00:55:53.180 And, and, and a really, it is, it is both slightly simpler in some 00:55:53.180 --> 00:55:57.680 ways, but also, you know, he's a math teacher so there are points there 00:55:57.950 --> 00:55:59.930 and the point system is really cool. 00:55:59.950 --> 00:56:00.310 Mm-hmm. 00:56:00.390 --> 00:56:00.470 Yeah. 00:56:00.470 --> 00:56:01.490 It's really cool. 00:56:01.490 --> 00:56:01.550 Yeah. 00:56:01.580 --> 00:56:12.470 And, uh, and, and trying to differentiate a Bard that like a, a, a war-casting Bard 00:56:12.470 --> 00:56:18.200 from a martial character or a barbarian and the points, you know, it's, it's 00:56:18.200 --> 00:56:18.590 just, 00:56:18.890 --> 00:56:20.360 Alison: I'm gonna say something shocking. 00:56:20.420 --> 00:56:20.810 Okay. 00:56:20.815 --> 00:56:24.830 So both Matt and Alan, and as we've discussed on this podcast, 00:56:25.040 --> 00:56:26.870 are not fans of multi classing. 00:56:27.080 --> 00:56:28.640 Matt: We're not fans of multi classing. 00:56:28.670 --> 00:56:33.560 Alison: And I actually loved in this module that you're 00:56:33.560 --> 00:56:35.450 either martial or Magic mm-hmm. 00:56:35.900 --> 00:56:40.140 and that like, it's, the multi classing is not a thing, but the 00:56:40.145 --> 00:56:44.360 things that you're gonna get good at, you're gonna get really Yeah. 00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:45.740 Really good at. 00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:46.100 Fitz: Yeah. 00:56:46.100 --> 00:56:50.780 Well, let's talk about fixing the multi-class thing, because I accidentally 00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:57.980 feel like I learned something and I'm, I'm sad I learned it, which 00:56:57.985 --> 00:57:02.870 is, So in our Thursday night game with Tey, which has been mentioned 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:04.670 a gajillion times on this show, 00:57:04.670 --> 00:57:06.470 Alison: We need a Tey sound effect. 00:57:06.535 --> 00:57:07.260 I know, I know. 00:57:07.260 --> 00:57:08.810 Matt: You need Tey sound effects. 00:57:08.810 --> 00:57:09.500 I'll come up with one. 00:57:09.500 --> 00:57:09.820 Fitz: Yeah. 00:57:09.820 --> 00:57:10.430 Pick out a good one. 00:57:10.430 --> 00:57:13.880 But you know, in that long running campaign I played 00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.190 a multi-class Monk Cleric. 00:57:16.370 --> 00:57:16.490 Yeah. 00:57:16.520 --> 00:57:17.450 Which was interesting. 00:57:17.510 --> 00:57:18.440 Super fun. 00:57:18.890 --> 00:57:23.870 But it definitely meant that I was not super great at either of them. 00:57:23.900 --> 00:57:24.080 Yeah. 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.650 You know, I did that at the detriment, at the overall 00:57:27.980 --> 00:57:29.960 functionality of that character. 00:57:29.965 --> 00:57:30.020 Yeah. 00:57:30.050 --> 00:57:32.390 Just cuz I wanted to fuck around and find out. 00:57:32.390 --> 00:57:34.160 And I had a great ass time doing it. 00:57:34.160 --> 00:57:34.250 Mm-hmm. 00:57:34.820 --> 00:57:38.570 Well, when we were building these characters, obviously I said I would do 00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:42.290 the Cleric because nobody had play tested it yet, and I'm pretty familiar with them. 00:57:42.290 --> 00:57:45.530 So I was like, I can break this, I'm confident I can do it. 00:57:46.040 --> 00:57:51.530 And he, one thing that he has introduced with the way that the ability scores work 00:57:51.770 --> 00:57:53.720 in this game, and I hope he keeps it. 00:57:53.720 --> 00:57:58.610 This is the one thing that, out of all the new changes, um, that he did, 00:57:58.670 --> 00:58:01.520 I thought this was the improvement. 00:58:01.580 --> 00:58:01.670 Mm-hmm. 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:10.910 was that your class or race do not change or are dependent on your ability scores. 00:58:10.915 --> 00:58:11.300 Mm-hmm. 00:58:11.380 --> 00:58:16.040 So I very specifically, I play, I chose his known race and I very 00:58:16.040 --> 00:58:21.050 specifically made my intelligence and wisdom scores the dump stats. 00:58:21.830 --> 00:58:24.230 Or the, he, he clumped them into one. 00:58:24.260 --> 00:58:24.350 Mm-hmm. 00:58:24.590 --> 00:58:29.900 , maybe it was just intelligence, but I purposely dumped it because in 5e, you 00:58:29.900 --> 00:58:32.870 need to have a high wisdom if you're gonna be able to function as a cleric. 00:58:32.900 --> 00:58:33.200 Right. 00:58:33.500 --> 00:58:35.480 I put all my points into dexterity. 00:58:35.510 --> 00:58:35.600 Mm-hmm. 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:41.210 I was like, this little thing, doesn't, super dumb, but can is mobile 00:58:41.210 --> 00:58:45.680 and can get around the field, can get to anybody and use her nimble 00:58:45.680 --> 00:58:48.140 little fingers to fix her friends. 00:58:48.740 --> 00:58:50.540 And it worked. 00:58:50.540 --> 00:58:51.100 Yeah, it worked. 00:58:51.105 --> 00:58:52.010 It just worked. 00:58:52.040 --> 00:58:58.490 There was nothing about having those those specific stats that are so necessary in 00:58:58.490 --> 00:59:04.080 these other games like Pathfinder and D&D where your class is so dependent 00:59:04.085 --> 00:59:09.110 on your stats in, you know, so as a Paladin you need specific things. 00:59:09.115 --> 00:59:11.150 As a Barbarian you gotta be strong as hell. 00:59:11.660 --> 00:59:16.280 But in this system it's infinitely malleable. 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:16.560 Yeah. 00:59:16.565 --> 00:59:16.670 Yep. 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:21.590 You can be the dextrous Cleric, you can be the dextrous barbarian. 00:59:21.590 --> 00:59:23.000 With smart barbarian. 00:59:23.030 --> 00:59:27.140 Alison: I went high charisma, low intelligence Wizard, 00:59:27.140 --> 00:59:29.120 which would never function. 00:59:29.540 --> 00:59:29.750 Yeah. 00:59:29.755 --> 00:59:30.370 In 5e. 00:59:30.570 --> 00:59:30.920 No. 00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:36.680 Fitz: So it just opens up this whole new world to characters that you can 00:59:36.680 --> 00:59:43.370 build based on an idea you have in your head and not being boxed in. 00:59:43.430 --> 00:59:43.730 Yeah. 00:59:44.150 --> 00:59:47.870 By making your character be broken in a bad way. 00:59:47.870 --> 00:59:48.380 Alison: Bad way. 00:59:48.815 --> 00:59:53.855 Matt: One of, one of the things I love the most about his, his thoughts and his, his 00:59:53.855 --> 01:00:00.684 theories on, on this game and evolutions of the game is that he feels that it 01:00:00.684 --> 01:00:06.144 is, you know, the, the, it is the player that should be, that should be happy. 01:00:06.564 --> 01:00:09.488 Um, and, everything that you want to do as a player should 01:00:09.488 --> 01:00:11.558 come out of a role playing Yeah. 01:00:11.738 --> 01:00:15.518 World thought, a role playing concept. 01:00:15.638 --> 01:00:21.428 So that, that I think is why he's detaching ability stats 01:00:21.428 --> 01:00:25.208 from classes, which I think is just, makes so much sense. 01:00:25.213 --> 01:00:29.363 And, and to answer your question about the, the not question, but your thought 01:00:29.363 --> 01:00:35.663 of the, the multi classing is I'm sure that there's an entire page of feats 01:00:35.663 --> 01:00:37.093 that he's going to implement mm-hmm. 01:00:37.173 --> 01:00:37.853 To all of these. 01:00:38.123 --> 01:00:38.183 Yeah. 01:00:38.213 --> 01:00:44.573 So that if, if, if my War Lord at second level wanted to start learning 01:00:44.573 --> 01:00:47.053 about magic, a feat would provide that. 01:00:47.213 --> 01:00:47.493 Mm-hmm. 01:00:47.573 --> 01:00:50.273 , and I don't know how he's going, but, you know, this was a play 01:00:50.273 --> 01:00:51.773 test was, dunno how it worked. 01:00:51.773 --> 01:00:54.473 Alison: But I think two of the, the biggest things that I loved, 01:00:54.743 --> 01:00:58.013 kind of following everything you guys have said, is the two biggest 01:00:58.013 --> 01:01:00.203 things it rewarded were roleplay. 01:01:00.333 --> 01:01:00.573 Mm-hmm. 01:01:00.653 --> 01:01:01.643 Which we've all talked about now. 01:01:01.648 --> 01:01:01.733 Mm-hmm. 01:01:02.213 --> 01:01:03.023 Ad nauseum. 01:01:03.023 --> 01:01:06.503 That is, that's our, that's our jam and collaboration. 01:01:06.503 --> 01:01:06.593 Mm-hmm. 01:01:06.923 --> 01:01:10.913 So you are, you are rewarded on the field for working together. 01:01:11.573 --> 01:01:14.693 And I couldn't love that more cuz that's one thing that I do 01:01:14.698 --> 01:01:16.013 get really frustrated about. 01:01:16.163 --> 01:01:20.573 It's probably why I don't normally play the support, the 01:01:20.573 --> 01:01:22.013 quote unquote support characters. 01:01:22.403 --> 01:01:23.423 The clerics. 01:01:23.483 --> 01:01:23.633 Yeah. 01:01:23.693 --> 01:01:24.803 You know, et cetera. 01:01:24.803 --> 01:01:25.403 The buffs. 01:01:25.943 --> 01:01:27.353 Because there's no reward for it. 01:01:27.383 --> 01:01:27.443 Yeah. 01:01:27.443 --> 01:01:30.203 We're just trying to kill the Baddie, so I just wanna slam as 01:01:30.203 --> 01:01:31.703 many Call Lightnings as I can. 01:01:31.733 --> 01:01:31.883 Yeah. 01:01:32.153 --> 01:01:35.273 Whereas this is saying, no, I want you to tell a story with how you're 01:01:35.278 --> 01:01:38.633 doing whatever it is you're doing, and I want you to work together as 01:01:38.823 --> 01:01:41.573 a team so that way you both win. 01:01:41.663 --> 01:01:42.773 Yeah, we all won. 01:01:42.833 --> 01:01:43.663 And that 01:01:44.033 --> 01:01:46.973 Matt: It really, I said it was the best as a player. 01:01:46.978 --> 01:01:51.653 I think it definitely was the best combat experiences I've ever had. 01:01:51.893 --> 01:01:55.403 It was just, it was just exactly the way you wanted. 01:01:55.403 --> 01:01:59.573 And, and one of Luke's comments was, currently the way that 01:01:59.573 --> 01:02:03.623 combat works in this, it, there are a lot of things happening. 01:02:03.623 --> 01:02:07.883 He's got a beautiful action system, a point action, again, another point 01:02:07.883 --> 01:02:12.083 system where there's four options and you all of these combinations, which 01:02:12.083 --> 01:02:14.903 could perhaps make combat longer. 01:02:15.353 --> 01:02:21.673 Uh, but it was so fun and, and free and the collaboration mm-hmm. 01:02:21.753 --> 01:02:24.953 and the role playing is, is one of the first times I've had them 01:02:24.953 --> 01:02:27.353 all in combat at the same time. 01:02:27.358 --> 01:02:27.443 Yes. 01:02:27.983 --> 01:02:29.603 Which was just so great. 01:02:29.603 --> 01:02:32.693 So I it is off to an incredible start at this game. 01:02:32.813 --> 01:02:32.873 Yeah. 01:02:32.878 --> 01:02:36.683 Fitz: Well, and I think DC 20 bouncing off of what you guys both did, both 01:02:36.683 --> 01:02:40.388 just said, first of all, AK, we are vastly different people because I 01:02:40.388 --> 01:02:47.168 find the joy in supporting my friends, oh, just enjoyable of damage, but 01:02:47.168 --> 01:02:48.218 Alison: Screw you guys. 01:02:48.218 --> 01:02:48.938 I'm going home. 01:02:50.618 --> 01:02:52.178 Fitz: Screw you guys, I'm going home. 01:02:52.548 --> 01:02:58.328 Um, I, I think maybe, uh, a takeaway of this system, unless things drastically 01:02:58.328 --> 01:03:05.378 change, is that if you are a person who loves role play and loves to be rewarded 01:03:05.378 --> 01:03:10.478 for role play in some sort of way, this is going to be the system for you. 01:03:10.508 --> 01:03:10.688 Yeah. 01:03:10.928 --> 01:03:18.758 If you like the crunch, if you like to MinMax and just, you know, if you 01:03:18.758 --> 01:03:24.368 love to do the action economy jigsaw puzzle, you might get something out 01:03:24.373 --> 01:03:31.358 of this, but I, I don't think it's going to be as rewarding to you as 01:03:31.358 --> 01:03:33.888 something like a Pathfinder or a 5e. 01:03:33.908 --> 01:03:34.118 Mm-hmm. 01:03:34.418 --> 01:03:40.493 This one, I think speaks to people who like to role play. 01:03:40.553 --> 01:03:46.703 And it also speaks to, I think people who do have neuro, neuro divergence 01:03:46.708 --> 01:03:51.653 because although combat took longer and it probably will, mm-hmm. 01:03:52.253 --> 01:03:55.433 based on the system, it's more engaging. 01:03:55.523 --> 01:03:55.613 Mm-hmm. 01:03:55.918 --> 01:04:00.083 because you can only pre-plan so far in advance. 01:04:00.113 --> 01:04:00.263 Mm-hmm. 01:04:00.653 --> 01:04:06.323 You really had to think on your feet depending on what you chose 01:04:06.328 --> 01:04:08.723 to do as your first action ca. 01:04:08.953 --> 01:04:09.193 Mm-hmm. 01:04:09.278 --> 01:04:11.003 point cash in mm-hmm. 01:04:11.009 --> 01:04:15.443 . And if that went wrong or if it went great, then you had three other 01:04:15.443 --> 01:04:20.243 points to cash in that may, your whole plan may have just changed. 01:04:20.303 --> 01:04:20.453 Right. 01:04:20.513 --> 01:04:25.843 And that happens sometimes in 5e, you know, but it's usually based on what 01:04:25.868 --> 01:04:28.448 happens by the players going ahead of you. 01:04:28.568 --> 01:04:28.658 Yes. 01:04:28.688 --> 01:04:32.678 So you're thinking about how can I maximize my turn based on action, 01:04:32.678 --> 01:04:38.408 bonus action, saving a reaction, free action, whatever you're thinking 01:04:38.408 --> 01:04:44.378 about, how do I fill in those specific things to maximize my turn? 01:04:44.528 --> 01:04:44.618 Right. 01:04:44.708 --> 01:04:48.578 Whereas with this, you had to think on your feet more and it was more engaging. 01:04:48.578 --> 01:04:48.638 Yeah. 01:04:48.698 --> 01:04:54.068 So I think for people who need more action to stay more focused, 01:04:54.278 --> 01:04:57.998 it's going to, that's maybe why the combat was better for you. 01:04:58.088 --> 01:04:58.388 Yeah. 01:04:58.448 --> 01:05:01.718 Because you didn't get bored cuz you had to think more. 01:05:01.778 --> 01:05:02.108 Matt: Yeah. 01:05:02.528 --> 01:05:06.668 I think that's, I think that's well said because I, you, you get into ruts with 01:05:06.878 --> 01:05:11.288 some, the Pathfinders and the 5e's because your character has this amazing move and 01:05:11.288 --> 01:05:13.238 you do that amazing move or you, yep. 01:05:14.093 --> 01:05:18.473 But another thing is he's a great, great Game Master. 01:05:18.473 --> 01:05:18.563 Yes. 01:05:18.563 --> 01:05:24.143 So he, he made sure to do all the check boxes he had, he had terrain, 01:05:24.173 --> 01:05:26.903 he had heights for his combat. 01:05:26.908 --> 01:05:27.113 Mm-hmm. 01:05:27.623 --> 01:05:28.523 for his battle maps. 01:05:28.523 --> 01:05:33.503 He had, he had monsters that were doing things and movements around. 01:05:33.503 --> 01:05:37.343 So on top of, you know, he, he also was a great 01:05:37.493 --> 01:05:40.763 Alison: And spoiler alert to your ADHd20 listeners, we are crossing 01:05:40.763 --> 01:05:43.613 our fingers and our toes and our eyes and everything else that Alan will 01:05:43.613 --> 01:05:45.443 be a guest on a future episode Yeah. 01:05:45.443 --> 01:05:46.193 of this here podcast. 01:05:46.193 --> 01:05:48.983 Putting that out there We are putting that energy into the universe. 01:05:49.013 --> 01:05:49.433 Yeah. 01:05:49.823 --> 01:05:51.473 Well, I kind of wanna end on that high note. 01:05:51.473 --> 01:05:52.763 We had a couple of other sessions. 01:05:52.763 --> 01:05:52.823 Yeah. 01:05:52.823 --> 01:05:57.473 But, you know, we, we really felt like we landed on something super special. 01:05:57.563 --> 01:05:57.803 Yeah. 01:05:57.803 --> 01:06:00.863 Um, and our time with working title DC 20 01:06:00.923 --> 01:06:02.153 Matt: Working title, DC 20. 01:06:02.273 --> 01:06:02.423 Mm-hmm. 01:06:02.663 --> 01:06:02.664 . Yeah. 01:06:02.669 --> 01:06:04.163 I, yeah, I think that was high. 01:06:04.163 --> 01:06:09.233 There was, you know, we, we were, I think we were very lucky to get to play. 01:06:09.998 --> 01:06:13.988 , uh, a lot of these games with people who had written the games. 01:06:14.078 --> 01:06:14.168 Mm-hmm. 01:06:14.413 --> 01:06:14.588 Yeah. 01:06:14.618 --> 01:06:19.988 Uh, either the entire system or in Trevor's case and, and DCC hit the module. 01:06:19.988 --> 01:06:20.678 The module, yeah. 01:06:20.678 --> 01:06:22.478 And that, that was just a delight. 01:06:22.568 --> 01:06:24.488 Those were definitely our favorite games. 01:06:24.488 --> 01:06:31.268 Those were definitely, um, just, uh, the time best well spent and, uh, yeah. 01:06:31.268 --> 01:06:32.528 So would you go back? 01:06:32.588 --> 01:06:32.828 Alison: Yeah. 01:06:32.828 --> 01:06:33.878 That was the big question. 01:06:33.883 --> 01:06:34.348 The big question. 01:06:34.353 --> 01:06:35.048 Can we do this again? 01:06:35.408 --> 01:06:36.818 Fitz: I think yes. 01:06:37.028 --> 01:06:37.118 Mm-hmm. 01:06:37.928 --> 01:06:39.638 Especially, you know, as, as a group. 01:06:39.788 --> 01:06:40.328 Yes. 01:06:40.388 --> 01:06:40.568 Yeah. 01:06:40.568 --> 01:06:43.088 But, uh, do more, do better. 01:06:43.238 --> 01:06:43.478 Mm-hmm. 01:06:43.718 --> 01:06:47.438 . Um, I think we've now learned a few things, not only about ourselves, 01:06:47.498 --> 01:06:56.168 but how to make GaryCon, uh, more efficient or, or at least to pre-prep 01:06:56.498 --> 01:06:58.988 better so that we are more successful. 01:06:59.078 --> 01:06:59.138 Yeah. 01:06:59.408 --> 01:07:06.098 Going, which is starting to, to know what games to sign up for. 01:07:06.158 --> 01:07:06.248 Mm-hmm. 01:07:06.878 --> 01:07:08.068 Knowing how. 01:07:08.813 --> 01:07:10.793 much we can take in a day. 01:07:10.943 --> 01:07:11.033 Mm-hmm. 01:07:11.873 --> 01:07:14.423 and, you know, deciding 01:07:20.273 --> 01:07:20.963 I'm not gonna say that. 01:07:20.963 --> 01:07:21.383 Nevermind. 01:07:26.593 --> 01:07:28.553 Alison: Sometimes there are secrets. 01:07:28.853 --> 01:07:30.873 Fitz: Sometimes my wheels were turning exciting that I 01:07:30.873 --> 01:07:31.913 had to just hit the brakes. 01:07:33.293 --> 01:07:33.983 . But yes, I think 01:07:33.983 --> 01:07:35.843 Alison: Is, is that what impulse control looks like? 01:07:36.133 --> 01:07:36.553 Yes. 01:07:37.243 --> 01:07:38.063 Fitz: Uh, yes. 01:07:38.063 --> 01:07:38.633 There you go. 01:07:39.078 --> 01:07:39.773 Alison: Wild. 01:07:41.303 --> 01:07:43.753 Fitz: Well, we'll do some tutoring sessions on impulse. 01:07:44.143 --> 01:07:44.793 Alison: Okay okay. 01:07:44.793 --> 01:07:45.033 Okay. 01:07:46.463 --> 01:07:46.953 Fitz: Yeah. 01:07:47.573 --> 01:07:50.753 But to be honest, like, you know, as we were, we, I think we 01:07:50.753 --> 01:07:53.873 did as much pre prepping as we realistically could have, right? 01:07:53.873 --> 01:08:00.293 For noobs, we had not gone, AK, you really took the reins of, you know, getting 01:08:00.293 --> 01:08:02.153 into the Discords and the Facebook group. 01:08:02.753 --> 01:08:08.603 Figuring out how to sign up for games, helping to pre-plan and find games 01:08:08.753 --> 01:08:12.593 to, you made a little spreadsheet for us to try to sign up, you 01:08:12.593 --> 01:08:13.853 know, you did as much as you could. 01:08:13.943 --> 01:08:14.003 Yeah. 01:08:14.033 --> 01:08:14.933 Going into it. 01:08:15.293 --> 01:08:19.433 And really this year we just needed to, to figure it out. 01:08:19.438 --> 01:08:19.553 Mm-hmm. 01:08:19.633 --> 01:08:22.193 We had to, you know, get thrown to the wolves and see how it went. 01:08:22.253 --> 01:08:24.593 Overall, I think Yeah. 01:08:24.593 --> 01:08:26.243 You did a great ass job. 01:08:26.313 --> 01:08:26.856 Matt: Yeah, Yeah. 01:08:26.946 --> 01:08:28.446 we'll be even better at it next time. 01:08:28.506 --> 01:08:28.806 Yeah. 01:08:28.836 --> 01:08:29.286 Next year. 01:08:29.466 --> 01:08:29.616 Yeah. 01:08:29.976 --> 01:08:30.486 Alison: This year. 01:08:30.486 --> 01:08:34.686 Um, Joe Manganiello, Tom Morello and Vince Vaughn were at the, uh, at the conference. 01:08:34.686 --> 01:08:34.687 Mm-hmm. 01:08:35.406 --> 01:08:41.106 Fitz: My most proud moment, oh God, of Alison Kendrick this entire weekend. 01:08:42.271 --> 01:08:48.591 The growth that I have seen within her, her, can I admit this toxic trait? 01:08:48.651 --> 01:08:49.551 Oh, for sure. 01:08:49.556 --> 01:08:49.731 Alison: Okay. 01:08:50.121 --> 01:08:50.611 Yeah. 01:08:50.901 --> 01:08:52.371 So we put it all on the table here. 01:08:52.376 --> 01:08:54.441 So I, I have no, I have no secrets. 01:08:54.441 --> 01:08:55.611 You are allowed to have secrets. 01:08:55.611 --> 01:08:57.021 I have no impulse control. 01:08:57.981 --> 01:08:58.011 Okay. 01:08:58.011 --> 01:09:01.311 Fitz: So I'm gonna, I'm gonna dump a, a secret of Alison's, which is 01:09:01.311 --> 01:09:02.871 that when she sees a celebrity, she, 01:09:02.876 --> 01:09:03.411 Alison: Oh, that's not a secret. 01:09:03.896 --> 01:09:04.101 Fitz: Okay. 01:09:04.101 --> 01:09:07.131 Well, to, to find viewers who have not met you. 01:09:07.161 --> 01:09:07.251 Yes. 01:09:07.521 --> 01:09:10.701 That when you meet a celebrity, you have to tell them their name. 01:09:10.851 --> 01:09:10.911 Yeah. 01:09:11.121 --> 01:09:16.461 And you came within, I mean, you brushed shoulders with Joe Manganiello, 01:09:16.821 --> 01:09:19.451 and you didn't tell him his name. 01:09:19.451 --> 01:09:20.361 His name, yeah. 01:09:20.361 --> 01:09:20.856 Matt: It was very impressive. 01:09:20.856 --> 01:09:22.941 Alison: I literally was biting my tongue. 01:09:23.001 --> 01:09:23.241 Yeah. 01:09:23.881 --> 01:09:28.401 I, I, I had my mouth like pressed together, like teeth on tongue. 01:09:28.491 --> 01:09:29.091 Don't do it. 01:09:29.131 --> 01:09:29.891 Matt: Celebrities. 01:09:29.891 --> 01:09:31.311 Celebrities don't always know their names, though. 01:09:31.341 --> 01:09:32.771 Alison: Maybe they need help, sometimes I don't. 01:09:32.776 --> 01:09:33.971 Sometimes they forget, so, yeah. 01:09:33.976 --> 01:09:37.911 And so I did, I, I, I've always long joked that I really wanna change my Facebook 01:09:37.911 --> 01:09:40.101 name to Alison "no chill" Kendrick. 01:09:40.161 --> 01:09:40.281 Mm-hmm. 01:09:40.701 --> 01:09:44.781 and I tapped deep into the well inside and I found an ounce of chill 01:09:44.781 --> 01:09:47.361 as Joe Manganiello brushed by me. 01:09:47.451 --> 01:09:47.871 Yeah. 01:09:47.871 --> 01:09:48.391 I'm proud of you. 01:09:48.391 --> 01:09:48.741 It's magic. 01:09:48.961 --> 01:09:49.751 It was magic. 01:09:50.511 --> 01:09:50.601 Yeah. 01:09:50.631 --> 01:09:52.551 We did, we, we had some magic this weekend. 01:09:52.551 --> 01:09:54.951 We even set that as our intention for one of the days we did. 01:09:54.951 --> 01:09:57.111 And that was the day that we met Alan, was that magic was 01:09:57.116 --> 01:09:58.551 gonna be the theme of that day. 01:09:58.611 --> 01:09:58.791 Yeah. 01:09:58.831 --> 01:09:59.391 And it was. 01:09:59.391 --> 01:10:01.101 And it really, really was. 01:10:01.191 --> 01:10:01.251 Fitz: Yeah. 01:10:01.401 --> 01:10:02.431 You know, it was magical. 01:10:03.036 --> 01:10:06.246 When none of us could stay seated for more than five minutes. 01:10:06.336 --> 01:10:06.816 Alison: Oh no. 01:10:07.266 --> 01:10:08.256 So much wiggling. 01:10:08.316 --> 01:10:08.556 Yeah, 01:10:09.576 --> 01:10:10.326 Matt: That's a good sign. 01:10:10.326 --> 01:10:11.076 That's a good sign. 01:10:11.076 --> 01:10:16.236 So we'll go back, you know, maybe, maybe I'll sign up to, to run a table. 01:10:16.296 --> 01:10:16.926 We never know. 01:10:17.046 --> 01:10:17.496 We'll see. 01:10:17.516 --> 01:10:18.396 We'll see how it goes. 01:10:18.496 --> 01:10:19.036 You should. 01:10:19.346 --> 01:10:21.456 Alison: Evan, you don't get a choice. 01:10:21.456 --> 01:10:22.176 You're coming next year. 01:10:22.276 --> 01:10:22.686 Yeah, yeah. 01:10:22.686 --> 01:10:22.986 We go. 01:10:22.986 --> 01:10:23.466 You go buddy. 01:10:23.466 --> 01:10:23.736 Coming. 01:10:24.576 --> 01:10:25.026 Matt: We'll do it. 01:10:25.056 --> 01:10:25.446 We'll do it. 01:10:25.446 --> 01:10:25.956 But yay. 01:10:26.046 --> 01:10:27.906 Thanks for this recap everybody. 01:10:29.166 --> 01:10:29.736 Fitz: Yeah, thanks. 01:10:29.976 --> 01:10:32.793 Thanks for telling us how our GaryCon went, everybody! 01:10:32.793 --> 01:10:33.113 Matt: Yeah. 01:10:33.118 --> 01:10:33.223 Thanks. 01:10:33.463 --> 01:10:35.573 Thanks for telling us how GaryCon went? 01:10:35.593 --> 01:10:39.113 Uh, Fitz, thank you for being on our podcast. 01:10:39.113 --> 01:10:40.033 Fitz: Did you just jingle me? 01:10:42.463 --> 01:10:42.913 Matt: I did. 01:10:43.063 --> 01:10:44.273 Fitz: I love y'all so much. 01:10:44.683 --> 01:10:45.713 Matt: We love you so much. 01:10:45.713 --> 01:10:46.543 Alison: I love you. 01:10:46.603 --> 01:10:46.993 Yeah. 01:10:47.053 --> 01:10:47.203 Yeah. 01:10:47.203 --> 01:10:48.553 Thanks for letting me on your podcast. 01:10:48.553 --> 01:10:48.763 Matt: Yeah. 01:10:48.793 --> 01:10:49.888 Thanks for letting me be on your podcast. 01:10:50.233 --> 01:10:53.433 Fitz: Thanks for letting me come over and, uh, uh, mutiny and have. 01:10:53.998 --> 01:10:55.348 Heist of your podcast. 01:10:55.348 --> 01:10:56.908 It's now mine, folks. 01:10:57.070 --> 01:10:57.740 Matt: Perfect. 01:10:58.240 --> 01:11:00.160 Fitz: We'll pretend we didn't turn it back a couple times. 01:11:00.160 --> 01:11:00.660 Matt: I know. 01:11:08.003 --> 01:11:11.933 Thank you for listening and being a part of our ADHd20 and larger 01:11:11.993 --> 01:11:13.970 Bivins Brothers Creative community. 01:11:13.970 --> 01:11:17.390 If you're looking for more, we have a hoppin' Discord that 01:11:17.390 --> 01:11:21.260 a couple of us affectionately call the Honeycomb Kill Room. 01:11:21.323 --> 01:11:23.243 Look for the join link in the show notes. 01:11:23.532 --> 01:11:27.762 Alison: We talk about all kinds of things, TTRPGs and ADHD for sure, 01:11:27.912 --> 01:11:31.992 but also TV, comics, video games, movies, theater, our pets, and 01:11:31.992 --> 01:11:33.432 really anything else on our minds. 01:11:33.642 --> 01:11:35.712 Come be nerds with us and all our friends. 01:11:35.832 --> 01:11:37.152 Matt: We also have a Patreon 01:11:37.512 --> 01:11:42.012 every day work on a Bivins Brothers Original is senselessly ignored 01:11:42.012 --> 01:11:44.262 for the sake of billable hours. 01:11:44.262 --> 01:11:48.653 And those podcasts, videos, and live streams are crying out for help. 01:11:48.653 --> 01:11:52.853 Alison: For just $2 a month, you too can be a Bivins Brothers Angel, 01:11:53.003 --> 01:11:55.553 ensuring this content is seen and heard. 01:11:55.913 --> 01:12:00.413 By supporting our Patreon, you are helping more Bivins Brothers Originals like this 01:12:00.418 --> 01:12:03.363 very podcast, see the clear light of day. 01:12:03.415 --> 01:12:06.565 Matt: The best way you can help us though, is just to share this cast 01:12:06.565 --> 01:12:08.545 with the people you think will like it. 01:12:08.545 --> 01:12:12.835 Alison: Thank you for being a pal, to us as people, to ADHd20 the Podcast, 01:12:13.015 --> 01:12:16.615 and to the Greater Bivins Brothers Creative Commonwealth of Nerds.