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Steve: We are not millennials.

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what's up on collaboration as
an art form delivered as value.

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Marijn: Hey, Steve.

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Steve: Hey, Marijn I 73, 73.

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Yeah, we just checked.

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So how do I say, Hey Steve in German?

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Marijn: Now does

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So you're fresh back from

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Marijn: a, well, we
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Yeah, exactly.

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I've been back for a few days already,
but yes, it was collapsed summit.

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It was everything.

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A big conference needs to be lots of
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speakers, lots of drunken banters,
lots of scootering around the city,

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Steve: but with a little hint
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Marijn: Exactly.

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Yeah, no, I have to say that the guys at
his expense really did an amazing job.

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Last, of course, a bunch of people that
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the, the, the numbers were going up.

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So we, we only had around 1800 people,
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But it didn't feel cramped
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Everyone was wearing their
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Their chin diapers all the time.

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So I'm, I'm really happy that I went.

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Steve: I was saying, I said to the
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myself, but but there will
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Just talking about that.

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So that's a definite Dewar.

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And before that, I think we'll go
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Marijn: bars set long.

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Nah, the, yes, I'm looking
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well, hopefully relative sunshine
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We had pretty nice sweater
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That was brilliant.

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So we will do a few days at the
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Barcelona, some formula, one testing.

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Some whiskey tasting or recording
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business and then we will fly to
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Where I will do a session.

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And we will do a lot of whiskey tasting
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And we'll bunch on a few planes
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So that's sorted out.

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We've got Christmas before then.

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Of course we have got, we
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Thank you for the very, very big welcome.

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I, for those of you that listened to
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weekend or last weekend, and I thought
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woodsy start and now he's powerful.

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I really enjoyed that.

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Marijn: Yeah.

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I was not feeling 100% last time.

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I still have like a little
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It's not Corona promises, not Corona
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really, really into it today.

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And I'm so freaking
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So let's just touch on what we're
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So effectively we are so
experienced with office 365.

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We are superheros.

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Marijn: know what we do,

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Steve: and we don't mean, secondly,
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So you're going to use it.

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It phoned you up and says I've lost my one
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That's so, okay.

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It's not, they're not lost.

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Go to your recycle bin.

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Well, Maureen, I lost my one drive files.

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Marijn: Okay.

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And there were in the recycle bin.

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What did you do?

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Well, actually I lost
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Of office it's five distilled all of
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files all of the music files for the
introduction music, all of it had gone.

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But it was all synchronized.

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It was actually in my synchronization
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I made an assumption, oh, I made
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I assumed that everything was
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So you know, where you synchronize
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which says SharePoint sites, and it puts
your domain name in and you get all the

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sites in there and everything's listed.

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So I had all the sites and
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That's been synchronized into
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against the synchronized section.

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So it's all good to go.

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But do you know that
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Did you, you know, if you go to your one
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one drive and you create a new folder and
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If you do that in the
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You can, you can go to the
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that don't get synchronized back.

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I did not know that.

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Well, think about the architecture.

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Your one drive is one folder already.

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Marijn: It's one document

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So your, your because you're doing it in
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site, one cyclist, and you got to go.

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But your SharePoint libraries
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furries, one folder per library.

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So you can create folders in
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So I found that out because I had to
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bunch of folders and I'm sitting there.

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He says, but they're not on my
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they must be a SharePoint site.

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the of the share, which wasn't actually
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happened is at some point, this driver
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me if I wanted to delete it.

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Marijn: I know what I'm doing.

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library, I had a bunch of folders.

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it's all very complicated.

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I will synchronize down from the higher
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So I now knew that I was synchronizing
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And it turns out that it, that I
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on my machine that were not getting
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Look, I'm being synchronized here.

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Steve: It was, I was.

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Marijn: So then you did what every normal
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net to the dark web, buy some Jacker
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drive and get back all those disconnected

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I to restore them all back.

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So yes, I had to kind of pay out
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of software, but of course, then it
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So one day when I've got nothing
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But for the time being, and of course
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So be warned everybody.

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We spend so many years and trust
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fall into the trap of Microsoft.

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Won't let me down.

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What'd your, t-shirt say the best way
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Fucking, you know what
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Steve: I don't, I don't even know what
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me what would Microsoft say about this

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Marijn: that's valuable feedback.

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Steve: did Jeff that's nice.

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Yes, everybody.

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So I had fun with that, but there you go.

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So what do we got planned?

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We're going to, we're going to talk about.

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Where we're at with with our rollouts
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and the businesses we deal with.

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And then we're going to taste a rather
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that on this podcast, but this woman,

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Marijn: oh, oh, I've been actually been
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this whiskey for a number of weeks.

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Ever since I knew you got one of
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Thank you to thank yous for.

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So most people will remember that a
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We did Cotswolds and we did towed
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Rye whiskey with heritage.

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Marijn: Yes, medieval re

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Steve: barley and wheat
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And one of you went to look at the
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Marijn: few bottles of that away
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Some days just because there was
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Steve: very, very unusual.

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So we tasted the number three
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And today he goes, is that good?

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It is amazing.

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And today we're going to do a number four.

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Exactly.

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So we're going to do number four
because  bought a bottle and he

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said, Hey, if you guys want to
taste it, go ahead and taste it.

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Marijn: You know how we, how well, well,
every time I do a presentation, every time

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I do a session, I talk about this podcast.

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I always make that same joke.

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Yeah.

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We try to do whiskey before we were
talking about technology, but that

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doesn't work very well, but maybe in this
case we should actually, but I can't.

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No, no, no.

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Okay.

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I can wait for just another half an hour

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Steve: to really try and stop myself
talking about whiskey, because I certainly

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listened to my comms verse recording
of the day, the first four minutes.

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We're talking about whiskey whiskey
because you know, in a silly way.

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Okay guys, let's stop and
move on and talk about Ms.

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Teams.

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Okay.

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So what I want to go with this today,
I actually want to look at how we.

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Can move forward in a very, very efficient
way, by looking at something that I have

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labeled as plan to evolve, how you plan
to evolve, how you constantly move on.

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And two podcasts ago, we did teacher
sizes and agile and all that.

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And of course that's exactly about
that iterative delivery and then

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iterative improvement and iterative
improvement improvement proven.

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Marijn: out how to do this kind of, we
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same or at the same level or on the same

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Steve: space.

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Yeah.

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We kind of go through
the same thought process.

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Marijn: we, we both have a
customer that has rolled out

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themes just for meetings and chat.

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Yep.

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And what we're, we both have a
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customers to kind of map out.

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How we go from this, where we

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Steve: go next, equally, I've also got a
customer that took a different approach.

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So they decided intranet first.

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Okay.

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So before we did collaborations because
they wanted to do something quick.

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So, and, and that I think is a
reasonable decision to take so short.

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The first thing is, you know, what is
the most logical thing to do work first?

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And this is not about
going to the business.

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Although most people do, okay.

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They say to the business,
what will add you most value?

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And they go for all the things that
they meetings, chat, messaging,

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sharing documents with external
people, that kind of stuff.

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And that's fine.

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If you want to do the quick
wins, you can go deliver that.

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And that's where you start
the, this other client.

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They decided that they wanted to, rather
than go down the long process of sorting

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out their content architecture and
their SharePoint sites and libraries,

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content types, and all that kind of
stuff wanted to go and hit something.

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So we did intranet.

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Sure.

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So we put pictures inside the route
they took and that then gave the

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business something to look at and
work on because they did not have an

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intranet in place let's say at work.

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So we have let's start off by
imagine cross this top of the page.

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You have all of the applications.

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Then you've started off with something,
whether it's exchange one, drive

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teams, whatever you do, whatever
you've started, you've started off

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with something and you'll have done
some kind of baseline governance.

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Hey, episode X, X, whatever the number
is, go and read about baseline governance.

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But it's about starting off quickly
with a rough idea, a rough outline,

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and then developing both the governance
as well as the developing the apps.

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And then you have the
really, really big question.

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And the really big question is right
in the middle of our board, the

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one that gets us going everywhere.

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And that question is.

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Marijn: What color of shower
curtains do I need to get right?

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Yes.

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What's next what's now.

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Oh, yes, yes, yes.

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What's next.

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Yes,

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Steve: because then we, because when
we talked about what's next, you

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said, yes, you go to the business.

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Marijn: Yeah, exactly.

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That was, that was my idea.

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So we've got so many things
that we can roll out.

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So what do we need to roll out?

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Oh, but we're it we're in, we,
we have to help the business.

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So let's ask the business,
what do you want next?

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Steve: And so I said, that's okay.

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But then I asked you what color
your bathroom was going to be.

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Marijn: And I said, di don't know,
we need to take a look at some.

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Oh, I said instant.

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Imagine

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that

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Steve: your mother's things.

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Yes.

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And then I said, imagine your
mother just giving you some shower,

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curtains that are blue and pink.

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Now, what color bathroom
you're going to have.

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And then you can think about it
because you have some context.

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Exactly.

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And so the whole point about what's next
is yes, value is incredibly important.

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So is strategy.

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So is vision.

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So is adoption.

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So is all those other kinds of things.

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And the only way you can do
that is if you plan to evolve.

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So you work out where your starting
point is and where your ending point.

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So that's what we really want to try
and talk about here is how we actually

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build an, identify those starting
and end points in small tissue sizes

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or big tissue sizes so that we can
evolve our office receives five in a

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positive way, align to the business,

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Marijn: love that, that
phrase plan to evolve.

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I think it's really cool.

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But do you plan to evolve all the way to
the end or is that an iterative process?

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Will that be something that.

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Every 30 days or every 90
days or something, if you're

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Steve: doing it agile, I think
you'll do a sprinty kind of stuff.

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But yeah based upon two or three
episodes ago, when we talked about

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epics and a t-shirt sizes, I think,
you know, Hey, I've got a year plan.

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So that's where that vision strategy
comes in and actually baseline vision

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strategy, because strategy really is
three to five, but so I'm dealing quarter.

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So in this quarter,
what am I going to move?

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Okay.

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What am I going to add to the business?

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All right.

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And do I wait to finish one before
I start the next store, do I have to

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have some kind of layered approach?

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And that's where you talk to the business?

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I believe to try and identify
the way forward, but.

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I am going to say something
that w that you will jump at

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and probably a few others.

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When I say that, it kind of knows best.

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Marijn: That is ridiculous.

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That is utterly ridiculous.

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No, it's true.

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It might.

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Well, it might be true.

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It depends.

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It's my favorite dancer.

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Yes, it depends.

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It depends,

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Steve: especially for honor.

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All right.

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So on his LinkedIn pages, he
can sit there and goes that's.

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Exactly.

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Thanks for the shout out, my friend.

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Thanks for the shout-out.

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That's cool.

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But yes, we do kind of know best, but we
don't actually want to put the lid on it.

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We actually want to just sit there and
say, in my opinion, with a Pinterest page,

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Marijn: yes, we can show you 50 examples
and you might like five of them.

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And we might go with one of those five.

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Yeah, I get that.

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But then again, I don't
want to say, I D knows best.

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I kind of want to say the experience
consultant that you're going to

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hire might know best because we,
as consultants are getting projects

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with a customer because there, it
doesn't know all the possibilities

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that you can do in office 365.

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Yeah.

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And that's why they're
bringing us on board,

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Steve: the experience that
we have to show and play.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yep.

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I get all of that.

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And I think there's, I think a lot
of it, people also want to turn

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around and say, you know, I don't
know, you know, I have no idea.

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I have a number of service providers.

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But that didn't do a great job
with managing it service, but

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they've got no real idea where to
start when it comes to, to this.

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Marijn: And that's okay.

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I mean, if I had to do an
exchange migration, I'll

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get a professional onboard.

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If I have to roll out an ERP system, I
will get a team of professionals on board.

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I don't know anything about.

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Steve: Yeah, last week I
had to do some workflows.

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I had to go at it for a week
and then I gave in and I bought

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professional in exactly, exactly.

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It was done in two hours.

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Marijn: Exactly.

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So I've been doing a really big PowerApps
project for the last few months.

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And I've also said to that customer,
because I said from the beginning, I

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don't know Jack shit about power apps.

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And we just started working and
it's a nice low code platform.

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So we now have around.

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2000 lines of code.

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So at that moment I said, okay, now it's
time that we bring in a professional

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that does review of everything that
we've done, that we've been doing,

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because I'm pretty sure that all these
things could be heavily optimized.

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Yeah,

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Steve: that's true.

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So let's we plan, we plan to evolve
and the important thing is an ident.

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And the simple thing by the way
is what's my starting point.

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And what do I want to get to before
I then say your definition of dumb?

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Yep.

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So that

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Marijn: starting point, would
that be something like the

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maturity model that we've

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Steve: talked about?

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It would, that's a really good reference.

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Yes.

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When we, when we talked about the the
maturity model and I can't remember

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what else we talked about, let's go.

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So I'm getting older.

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My memory is going, but we talked about
the maturity model along with one or

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two other things on a previous episode.

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So maturity model, definitely,
but also, you know, what is the

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sensible application to start.

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Based upon what the business
is telling you, they need.

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I mean, you can't ignore the business.

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I know we joked about the business,
but you know, the we talked earlier

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a lot of businesses and now saying
better meetings, better chat, better

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messaging, because all of a sudden we
really haven't gone back to the office.

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We're still working from home and it
felt like this was a kind of wartime

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emergency that we had to deal with.

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And, you know, we don't mind the
inconvenience because we know we're

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doing, we have to do safe, but actually
it's now been going on for a while.

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And so can we now make this

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Marijn: efficient action?

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Really a really cool narrative going on.

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I've seen that a few times already
where companies are now talking to their

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employees and not saying, let's go back
to the old ways or let's go back to work.

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But actually they're saying, okay, let's
embrace the new way of working hybrid.

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Yeah, instead of let's go
back to how it was before.

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No, let's go to the new way of work.

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I think that's for your adoption
and your communication purposes.

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I think that is super brilliant.

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It's a really good narrative staff.

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Steve: It is.

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It's kind of about 10 years old.

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Yes, no.

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And I actually created a new SharePoint
site with the title new way of working.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Marijn: I, I found a folder from 2015
or something on my one drive that hadn't

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been did that I was thinking about seeing
that, but I was going to be civil about

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it, but yes, with, with some presentations
from Microsoft with their stra strategy

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around N w O w the new way of work,

490
00:22:28,628 --> 00:22:30,158
Steve: let's just say we
have a logical order here.

491
00:22:30,158 --> 00:22:31,838
I mean, I can pull one
off the top of my head.

492
00:22:32,588 --> 00:22:36,488
One drive because it's easy and simple
and it has got personal drives exchange.

493
00:22:36,968 --> 00:22:37,658
Let's take her

494
00:22:37,658 --> 00:22:39,368
Marijn: own, let's take her own examples.

495
00:22:39,398 --> 00:22:44,198
The one where our organizations
just have a messaging, chatter

496
00:22:44,198 --> 00:22:46,352
messaging and, and meetings.

497
00:22:46,382 --> 00:22:46,802
Yes.

498
00:22:46,982 --> 00:22:48,332
Steve: So, so would you do that?

499
00:22:49,082 --> 00:22:50,732
Would you agree with them doing that?

500
00:22:50,847 --> 00:22:56,337
Marijn: If we would have limited
resources and COVID came knocking on our

501
00:22:56,337 --> 00:22:58,647
door, everybody had to work from home.

502
00:23:00,027 --> 00:23:01,477
We would no, no, no.

503
00:23:01,497 --> 00:23:03,057
Bear with me.

504
00:23:03,117 --> 00:23:03,597
Bear with me.

505
00:23:04,107 --> 00:23:04,617
I'll try it.

506
00:23:05,037 --> 00:23:07,387
We've got all our employees
sitting in the office.

507
00:23:07,405 --> 00:23:08,545
We've got fall shares.

508
00:23:09,085 --> 00:23:09,505
Okay.

509
00:23:09,505 --> 00:23:11,305
They're not optimal, but they work.

510
00:23:11,305 --> 00:23:15,955
Everybody knows how they work and suddenly
everyone needs to start working from home.

511
00:23:16,495 --> 00:23:22,645
What is the solution that they need
most urgently is something to have meet.

512
00:23:23,665 --> 00:23:25,405
So we're all out, but give

513
00:23:26,245 --> 00:23:29,605
Steve: second, I need to stop you a
second because you know, you're right.

514
00:23:29,605 --> 00:23:29,995
You're spot.

515
00:23:29,995 --> 00:23:30,715
And I agreed with it.

516
00:23:31,735 --> 00:23:32,605
Marijn: I'm a professional.

517
00:23:32,635 --> 00:23:33,595
You are a professional.

518
00:23:33,625 --> 00:23:35,425
Don't delete my files on one drive.

519
00:23:36,115 --> 00:23:38,245
Steve: You said you would go to say that.

520
00:23:40,565 --> 00:23:41,395
No, no, no, no, no.

521
00:23:42,415 --> 00:23:43,885
But you said everybody's in the office.

522
00:23:43,945 --> 00:23:46,825
That's where you started the journey.

523
00:23:47,185 --> 00:23:49,915
But if everybody was in the office,
you would take a different approach.

524
00:23:50,155 --> 00:23:52,885
You talk about, of course I want
to do files or we'd want to do

525
00:23:52,885 --> 00:23:56,335
collaborations that we want to do
it, but this situation today is yeah.

526
00:23:56,815 --> 00:23:58,315
Now it can make that call.

527
00:23:58,885 --> 00:23:59,155
Yes.

528
00:23:59,185 --> 00:24:02,305
Because it can do have a very, very
brief conversation with the business.

529
00:24:02,305 --> 00:24:03,775
So what is it you need in this case?

530
00:24:04,135 --> 00:24:05,985
I think the feedback, a
lot of people are getting.

531
00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:09,460
Meetings and chats and messages,
which is all well and good.

532
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:10,660
So that's the logical.

533
00:24:10,660 --> 00:24:13,570
And maybe then you think about
whether your exchange is there or not.

534
00:24:13,570 --> 00:24:17,431
Then maybe you think about SharePoint
online because then you actually

535
00:24:17,431 --> 00:24:20,911
do teams collaboration because
you can't do teams collaboration

536
00:24:20,911 --> 00:24:22,891
before you do SharePoint governance.

537
00:24:23,131 --> 00:24:25,531
And that again is IT-based decisions.

538
00:24:26,011 --> 00:24:30,151
So you have a kind of order and
you do this and this and this, you

539
00:24:30,151 --> 00:24:33,721
might throw voice in at them point
power apps first or voice first.

540
00:24:33,721 --> 00:24:36,241
I don't know which or power
automate, you know, those.

541
00:24:36,421 --> 00:24:44,371
So you've got a kind of logical baseline
strategy for moving towards Microsoft 365.

542
00:24:44,551 --> 00:24:44,911
Yes.

543
00:24:45,001 --> 00:24:50,911
And here's the thing, notice that pause
then just to build the anticipation.

544
00:24:51,211 --> 00:24:51,751
Awesome,

545
00:24:51,931 --> 00:24:52,171
Marijn: brilliant.

546
00:24:52,171 --> 00:24:52,981
Very professional.

547
00:24:53,101 --> 00:24:54,134
Steve: It was, yeah, I thought so too.

548
00:24:54,158 --> 00:24:56,860
If only had mentioned it because
I've now forgotten the thing.

549
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,890
So here's the thing about that is
that it's all, could we change.

550
00:25:03,925 --> 00:25:09,385
So the point about this plan to evolve
is that you have a rough order of where

551
00:25:09,385 --> 00:25:11,785
you're going, but it's not fixed in stone.

552
00:25:12,775 --> 00:25:15,355
Marijn: That's why the
dinosaurs died because they were

553
00:25:22,705 --> 00:25:25,675
They couldn't, they couldn't
evolve fast enough or

554
00:25:25,675 --> 00:25:26,305
Steve: fair dues.

555
00:25:26,365 --> 00:25:26,635
Yeah.

556
00:25:26,785 --> 00:25:29,425
But you need to stay at flexible,
but you say you have an outline

557
00:25:29,845 --> 00:25:33,055
strategy that says, Hey, this is
where, where we kind of need to go.

558
00:25:33,055 --> 00:25:34,195
We know where we starting from.

559
00:25:34,195 --> 00:25:35,125
We know where the value is.

560
00:25:35,425 --> 00:25:39,355
Let's work that through the only
time that you have to fix that is

561
00:25:39,355 --> 00:25:42,355
when you start the adoption program
and your communications plan.

562
00:25:42,895 --> 00:25:47,215
So there's a certain window that
says I can't change that part.

563
00:25:47,725 --> 00:25:49,705
And that's where your
quarterly planning comes in.

564
00:25:50,155 --> 00:25:50,885
So you've got your plan.

565
00:25:50,885 --> 00:25:52,525
Planning says, this is what
we're going to do this quarter.

566
00:25:52,525 --> 00:25:53,575
And we don't change your mind.

567
00:25:53,695 --> 00:25:54,955
It doesn't matter what comes forward.

568
00:25:55,135 --> 00:25:57,505
If we have to stop and
replan, that's fine.

569
00:25:57,895 --> 00:25:59,575
It's a kind of disaster, but.

570
00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:03,610
The idea, the opportunity to say this
is where we're going to start from.

571
00:26:03,790 --> 00:26:07,360
And this is where we're going
to evolve to is relatively easy.

572
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:14,110
And it's all based upon that baseline
strategy, baseline governance, this

573
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,490
doing things like these are the devices
I'm going to work with this quarter and

574
00:26:18,490 --> 00:26:23,110
set up my organization on these are the
environments we work in, in where does

575
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:25,600
Citrix or virtual desktops fit into this?

576
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,460
Where does laptops fit into this?

577
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:31,450
Where do mobile phones fit
into this endpoint security

578
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:33,520
access or conditional stuff?

579
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,230
They're all big conversations to
have, but you don't want to delay

580
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:39,850
everything to get those decisions made.

581
00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:40,540
First.

582
00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:46,420
You want to be able to give the business
a taste of what's about to come so

583
00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:49,870
they can decide whether they like it
or not, whether it needs to be changed,

584
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,910
whether it needs to be updated, which

585
00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:54,640
Marijn: also allows your
baseline governance to be.

586
00:26:56,065 --> 00:27:00,265
Start it with high level and
then drill deeper as the business

587
00:27:00,265 --> 00:27:03,595
figures out, how they want to use
it and how you want to control

588
00:27:03,595 --> 00:27:03,715
Steve: it.

589
00:27:03,805 --> 00:27:04,435
Exactly.

590
00:27:04,530 --> 00:27:08,580
And so that's kind of where
we're where we're at with this.

591
00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:13,440
So how do you identify then where your
starting point is in terms of, what do

592
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,030
you want to plant is off that's that's
really one of the key questions to have.

593
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:23,910
Marijn: I think that could be
pretty easily talked about.

594
00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:27,000
I think that's, that's kind of an
easy conversation to have, like,

595
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,890
Steve: but is it not the conversation?

596
00:27:28,890 --> 00:27:30,180
Like what color bathroom do you want?

597
00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:32,340
So, Hey, let's build a house.

598
00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:33,260
No, it's

599
00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:34,560
Marijn: kind of like, okay.

600
00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:35,070
Yeah.

601
00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:40,500
Well we, so we just build a house
and now we need to decide what's the

602
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,270
next room that we're going to fix?

603
00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:45,480
Steve: it?

604
00:27:46,815 --> 00:27:48,015
No, no, not big a house.

605
00:27:48,015 --> 00:27:48,435
Marijn: Do you want?

606
00:27:48,495 --> 00:27:49,275
Yeah, exactly.

607
00:27:49,305 --> 00:27:52,179
But let's say the lease
in our old house is done.

608
00:27:52,449 --> 00:27:56,019
We have to move all our stuff to new
house, but none of the rooms are done.

609
00:27:56,679 --> 00:27:59,919
What would be the room
that we need to do first?

610
00:28:01,899 --> 00:28:02,799
Maybe it's the toilet.

611
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:11,079
no, do we, do we need to do the
kitchen first because maybe my

612
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:15,639
parents were living next door and I
can always go take a shower there or

613
00:28:15,639 --> 00:28:17,649
do we need to do the bathroom first?

614
00:28:17,649 --> 00:28:20,799
Because there's a really good
restaurant that delivers cheap food.

615
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:21,819
So we don't have to cook.

616
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:22,209
Do you have.

617
00:28:22,329 --> 00:28:24,939
Maybe your baby depends on my persona.

618
00:28:24,999 --> 00:28:25,209
Your

619
00:28:25,209 --> 00:28:25,749
Steve: persona.

620
00:28:26,059 --> 00:28:26,669
Yes.

621
00:28:28,069 --> 00:28:29,019
You have babies.

622
00:28:29,409 --> 00:28:30,219
Marijn: Yeah, exactly.

623
00:28:30,579 --> 00:28:33,789
So there's a lot of, do you need
soundproofing on the, on the walls?

624
00:28:33,789 --> 00:28:34,299
Exactly.

625
00:28:34,299 --> 00:28:35,139
When you have a baby,

626
00:28:35,649 --> 00:28:38,229
Steve: but you are able to make
those decisions and you don't have to

627
00:28:38,229 --> 00:28:39,729
make all the decisions immediately.

628
00:28:40,089 --> 00:28:44,550
Marijn: No, but it's, it's a
pretty easy conversation to

629
00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:46,320
have like, okay, where are we?

630
00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:50,700
And what are our biggest
drivers for change?

631
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:52,350
And where do we want to go to,

632
00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:54,360
Steve: I think you're right.

633
00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:54,850
You and I.

634
00:28:55,665 --> 00:28:59,595
Because of the way we work, the way
we think the businesses we deal with,

635
00:28:59,745 --> 00:29:01,575
it's a relatively easy decision.

636
00:29:01,755 --> 00:29:01,935
Yeah.

637
00:29:02,325 --> 00:29:07,845
If you were Garten KPMG and you
said, Hey, how do you want to

638
00:29:07,845 --> 00:29:09,555
roll out your Microsoft 365?

639
00:29:10,005 --> 00:29:12,885
Then they would not say,
oh, that's relatively easy.

640
00:29:13,545 --> 00:29:20,355
They wouldn't have such a huge run-up and
roll up to get to the point where, you

641
00:29:20,355 --> 00:29:22,755
know, they're able to do the first thing.

642
00:29:23,535 --> 00:29:23,835
Marijn: Yeah.

643
00:29:23,865 --> 00:29:31,935
But how I would tackle something like a
200,000 people organization is to really

644
00:29:32,475 --> 00:29:35,925
cut that big elephant into smaller pieces.

645
00:29:36,405 --> 00:29:38,325
Steve: I was actually more
thinking that they would want to

646
00:29:38,325 --> 00:29:40,635
do so much analysis before they

647
00:29:40,635 --> 00:29:41,355
Marijn: started.

648
00:29:41,415 --> 00:29:42,225
They would get

649
00:29:44,385 --> 00:29:48,135
Steve: exactly to bear, to make, take the
risk away from making the wrong decision.

650
00:29:48,495 --> 00:29:52,575
That's the point about this is that none
of this is ever going to be the longest.

651
00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:56,610
Marijn: No, but it's,
it's, it's kinda the same.

652
00:29:56,610 --> 00:30:00,840
Like we did that one customer to get her
where they had different business areas

653
00:30:01,110 --> 00:30:06,360
and every business area had their own team
where they could just kind of do whatever

654
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,580
they want, as long as it was kind of
coherent with the overarching governance.

655
00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:16,260
So, and even within those business
areas, you've got different divisions

656
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:17,760
that all want different things.

657
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:23,877
So you're all running different projects
on different speeds for different people.

658
00:30:24,087 --> 00:30:24,327
Steve: Yep.

659
00:30:24,897 --> 00:30:25,317
All right.

660
00:30:25,347 --> 00:30:29,547
So we we've talked enough about, I think
the order and stuff and understanding

661
00:30:29,547 --> 00:30:30,717
where we're at and now setting up.

662
00:30:30,717 --> 00:30:34,326
And I think I've got some sessions on
this, so I'm really trying to work out

663
00:30:34,326 --> 00:30:39,387
how to present this and, and kind of
make it, make it interesting to easily

664
00:30:39,387 --> 00:30:41,667
identify the key learning points.

665
00:30:41,757 --> 00:30:45,258
So but then identifying your
starting point to evolve.

666
00:30:45,258 --> 00:30:46,368
We're back to that question again.

667
00:30:46,368 --> 00:30:47,808
So the third time I've asked the question.

668
00:30:48,798 --> 00:30:50,868
So your starting point is very easy.

669
00:30:50,868 --> 00:30:52,338
It's where are we at now?

670
00:30:52,938 --> 00:30:54,948
And what do we need to add next?

671
00:30:55,158 --> 00:30:55,608
Exactly.

672
00:30:55,818 --> 00:30:58,158
So, and that will fall into two layers.

673
00:30:58,158 --> 00:31:02,958
One is logically from an it
architect to perspective.

674
00:31:03,498 --> 00:31:06,768
What is it we do next and are
there any dependencies to get there

675
00:31:06,768 --> 00:31:07,328
Marijn: the second?

676
00:31:07,428 --> 00:31:12,718
So that would, that would be something
like a D migration, like get, get

677
00:31:12,718 --> 00:31:15,887
that base working in a good order.

678
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:19,440
Steve: Yes, I guess there's
those dependencies you're right.

679
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,690
So if some people actually say I
want to do meetings and chats and

680
00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:27,120
stuff, then there's a limitation
on what you can do in Ms.

681
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:27,600
Teams.

682
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,030
So I can set up chat groups.

683
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,740
I can call people.

684
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,230
I can share jewel meetings.

685
00:31:34,334 --> 00:31:35,144
No, that's about it.

686
00:31:36,044 --> 00:31:43,529
Yeah, because unless I do my content
architect, Discretion to define the

687
00:31:43,529 --> 00:31:46,079
governance of my SharePoint sites.

688
00:31:46,529 --> 00:31:52,139
I can't really roll out teams
and channels without having made

689
00:31:52,139 --> 00:31:53,279
some decisions around there.

690
00:31:53,299 --> 00:31:57,359
So my plan to evolve in that case
is that I want to be at my plan

691
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:01,349
to evolve is I want to be able to
collaborate on content in my Ms

692
00:32:01,349 --> 00:32:03,839
teams and I have a quarter to do it.

693
00:32:03,959 --> 00:32:04,229
Yep.

694
00:32:04,889 --> 00:32:07,409
So what is in that plan to evolve?

695
00:32:07,409 --> 00:32:10,859
What do I actually need to have
done so that I can create my first

696
00:32:10,859 --> 00:32:16,529
team at the end of this quarter
and know that I'm not making them.

697
00:32:17,699 --> 00:32:19,169
And it's relatively simple to do.

698
00:32:19,949 --> 00:32:20,279
Okay.

699
00:32:20,309 --> 00:32:23,009
Depending again, how
complicated you want to get to.

700
00:32:23,009 --> 00:32:25,109
So it's about content architecture.

701
00:32:25,619 --> 00:32:29,369
So it's, so all the usual
baseline decisions are users

702
00:32:29,369 --> 00:32:30,449
going to be a to create teams?

703
00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:31,079
Yes or no.

704
00:32:31,499 --> 00:32:31,799
All right.

705
00:32:31,829 --> 00:32:35,789
When they create a group, do we need
to do any customization in terms

706
00:32:35,789 --> 00:32:37,886
of content type or architecture?

707
00:32:37,886 --> 00:32:40,859
What kind of content is the
organization working on?

708
00:32:41,309 --> 00:32:46,529
Is there any corporate metadata or,
or taxonomies that need to be implied?

709
00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:47,579
They can all be knows.

710
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:51,479
Of course we can actually say, you
know, just for the team sites for Ms.

711
00:32:51,479 --> 00:32:56,969
Teams, the basic standard document
library, no content types, as it is job

712
00:32:56,969 --> 00:33:01,259
dub, any additional libraries have to
be built in this kind of certain way.

713
00:33:01,469 --> 00:33:03,269
So doesn't stop you putting Ms.

714
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:06,629
Teams using the default library,
but that's all it's for it's

715
00:33:06,629 --> 00:33:08,699
really, for that interactive.

716
00:33:09,464 --> 00:33:14,174
Collaborative environment based on
that subject, if I want to do, you know

717
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:20,630
libraries that are storing research
material for a number of chemical

718
00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:25,400
processes, then in that library, I
would want to do metadata and I would

719
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,670
want to use some kind of content type
process, but I can build those on top.

720
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:32,390
That's my next plan to evolve.

721
00:33:32,390 --> 00:33:38,720
So my scope for my t-shirt size in this
case, because that's the decision based

722
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,830
upon, Hey yeah, we need a better way of
managing our documents and collaborating

723
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:49,340
on particular subjects is I evolve from
just meetings and messages and chats

724
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,350
into adding documents, meeting messages
and chats because that's all I've added.

725
00:33:54,740 --> 00:34:01,850
I've just added a space where I can store
some content and some lists on top of.

726
00:34:01,881 --> 00:34:06,291
S a specific sets of messages and
conversations around a particular subject.

727
00:34:06,681 --> 00:34:11,931
That's my scope of evolving sounds legit.

728
00:34:12,021 --> 00:34:14,601
And don't know when I
finished when I, I finished.

729
00:34:14,991 --> 00:34:18,681
So I've got my start point and
my end point, and I'm evolving.

730
00:34:18,711 --> 00:34:20,991
So now I look like a rockstar.

731
00:34:22,491 --> 00:34:22,881
I do.

732
00:34:23,481 --> 00:34:24,501
I look like a rock star.

733
00:34:24,501 --> 00:34:25,791
Hey, brilliant.

734
00:34:25,821 --> 00:34:28,641
Because you've given us the,
what you want, what we wanted.

735
00:34:28,761 --> 00:34:29,151
All right.

736
00:34:29,151 --> 00:34:32,301
And may not be perfect, but we understand
that more will come round the corner.

737
00:34:32,931 --> 00:34:37,311
You've scoped what you're going
to do, deliver you've delivered

738
00:34:37,491 --> 00:34:38,841
what you're going to deliver.

739
00:34:39,231 --> 00:34:41,961
You've got a very simple
baseline governance.

740
00:34:41,961 --> 00:34:43,131
That's controlling it.

741
00:34:43,131 --> 00:34:46,701
So you've, you've got all of that stuff
considered, and you've not broke the bank.

742
00:34:49,276 --> 00:34:52,966
Marijn: No, you can make a rock
song singing out of your lungs.

743
00:34:54,376 --> 00:34:56,416
Steve: We will rock you.

744
00:34:56,746 --> 00:34:57,106
There you go.

745
00:34:57,736 --> 00:34:59,356
Karaoke night is a celebration.

746
00:34:59,656 --> 00:35:00,106
Yes.

747
00:35:01,546 --> 00:35:04,726
And I think the, the reason that this
works is because you've not given somebody

748
00:35:04,726 --> 00:35:09,556
a blank sheet of paper and said, Hey, tell
me what you want this house to look like.

749
00:35:10,186 --> 00:35:10,666
All right.

750
00:35:10,695 --> 00:35:13,623
Without being able to give them some
reference points and some information,

751
00:35:13,623 --> 00:35:15,813
because they know that information a

752
00:35:15,813 --> 00:35:17,013
Marijn: true, true.

753
00:35:17,343 --> 00:35:17,553
Yeah.

754
00:35:20,043 --> 00:35:20,433
Steve: okay.

755
00:35:21,033 --> 00:35:21,423
Okay.

756
00:35:21,813 --> 00:35:25,773
And I, and I think that you did a
graph, which I thought was really

757
00:35:25,773 --> 00:35:30,453
quite cool where you kind of said,
Hey, this is how we work out.

758
00:35:30,453 --> 00:35:35,763
What that evolution is, where
you plotted time against value.

759
00:35:35,913 --> 00:35:36,213
Yeah,

760
00:35:36,303 --> 00:35:36,783
Marijn: exactly.

761
00:35:36,783 --> 00:35:40,053
So time or, or cost versus value.

762
00:35:40,203 --> 00:35:45,903
And you kind of need to see where you are
right now and where you want to go to.

763
00:35:46,793 --> 00:35:53,753
Do you want to in your journey, start
with providing lots of extra value while

764
00:35:53,753 --> 00:36:00,143
not going hard on costs, or do you want
to put all the right layers, all the

765
00:36:00,143 --> 00:36:05,603
right bottom layers in place so that
afterwards you can scale up really fast.

766
00:36:06,593 --> 00:36:09,473
Steve: And the thing about the thing
about this process, I think is that

767
00:36:09,503 --> 00:36:13,463
the, the first one is very much like
the waterfall thing that says build a

768
00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:15,053
solid foundation and build from that

769
00:36:15,053 --> 00:36:15,623
Marijn: foundation.

770
00:36:15,833 --> 00:36:15,893
Yeah.

771
00:36:16,073 --> 00:36:18,113
I know a few companies
that do that, like, okay.

772
00:36:18,113 --> 00:36:21,203
Let's first think about
our backup solution.

773
00:36:21,233 --> 00:36:27,449
Let's first think about how we want a D
to look like let's first move the outlook

774
00:36:27,479 --> 00:36:34,019
file, stew exchange, maybe something that
the user doesn't get that much value of.

775
00:36:34,994 --> 00:36:39,134
Once you couple that with giving
people the new outlook, for example,

776
00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:43,184
and giving people the new office
apps and giving people one drive.

777
00:36:43,664 --> 00:36:51,194
So that would be something that is
not very time and cost consuming,

778
00:36:51,194 --> 00:36:53,204
but it, it delivers tremendous

779
00:36:53,204 --> 00:36:53,654
Steve: value.

780
00:36:54,104 --> 00:36:57,374
I think that's the point from my
perspective is always to do the arch

781
00:36:57,404 --> 00:37:02,114
that looks like it's a, you know, a
curve rather than a, I suppose there's

782
00:37:02,114 --> 00:37:04,214
a posh word for, there are some

783
00:37:04,214 --> 00:37:08,738
Marijn: verted curves, nice
mathematical words to describe that.

784
00:37:08,738 --> 00:37:08,978
Yes.

785
00:37:09,008 --> 00:37:10,658
Steve: I like nice curves.

786
00:37:10,718 --> 00:37:11,798
Marijn: Yes.

787
00:37:11,978 --> 00:37:13,838
On the, only on the right places

788
00:37:14,288 --> 00:37:16,148
Steve: that's drafts the right graphs.

789
00:37:16,174 --> 00:37:19,939
So, but going back to this thing
here, so value to me is about

790
00:37:19,939 --> 00:37:21,199
giving people something to do.

791
00:37:21,499 --> 00:37:21,739
Yeah.

792
00:37:21,769 --> 00:37:24,469
If they've got a tool or
something, they can click, then

793
00:37:24,499 --> 00:37:26,149
we're evolving from nothing to.

794
00:37:27,019 --> 00:37:30,349
Being able to create meetings
or groups and share documents.

795
00:37:30,739 --> 00:37:35,989
And then I find though that the
curve upwards is always greater

796
00:37:35,999 --> 00:37:40,069
when you've got something started,
cause you building from it.

797
00:37:40,129 --> 00:37:45,049
So if we take that bathroom idea,
put my curtain up in front of my

798
00:37:45,049 --> 00:37:46,939
shower, I can start showering.

799
00:37:47,629 --> 00:37:48,019
All right.

800
00:37:48,139 --> 00:37:51,679
And, but of course, if I'm still trying
to work out what color everything needs

801
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,799
to be and where the position of this
is going to be and all that kind of

802
00:37:54,799 --> 00:37:57,379
stuff, I can't actually start showering.

803
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,529
And I think once you start sharing
your work out, you know, the showers

804
00:38:00,529 --> 00:38:04,639
in the wrong place or that curtain
really, isn't doing very good.

805
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:05,329
Thank you mama.

806
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:07,729
But I really needed a
glass door, you know?

807
00:38:07,754 --> 00:38:09,794
And so you giving something

808
00:38:10,184 --> 00:38:11,984
Marijn: to start talking about
what you'll get otherwise,

809
00:38:12,944 --> 00:38:14,594
Steve: a debtor had done over that.

810
00:38:14,594 --> 00:38:15,854
I want to ask, what are you going to get?

811
00:38:15,854 --> 00:38:16,364
Otherwise,

812
00:38:16,514 --> 00:38:17,414
Marijn: Stevie, we know

813
00:38:17,834 --> 00:38:18,494
Steve: steamy.

814
00:38:20,249 --> 00:38:21,149
Wow.

815
00:38:21,209 --> 00:38:21,659
Marijn: Okay.

816
00:38:21,659 --> 00:38:22,019
Okay.

817
00:38:22,019 --> 00:38:22,289
Okay.

818
00:38:22,349 --> 00:38:23,579
Where did that come from?

819
00:38:23,909 --> 00:38:24,479
I don't know.

820
00:38:25,649 --> 00:38:27,959
Steve: Now I'm not going to
be singing red, red, raw.

821
00:38:27,979 --> 00:38:32,819
You're going to be singing steamy
windows, Tina Turner in your car at home.

822
00:38:33,809 --> 00:38:34,139
Marijn: Anyway.

823
00:38:35,669 --> 00:38:36,419
I mean, okay.

824
00:38:36,419 --> 00:38:38,879
Let's go back to evolve plan to evolve.

825
00:38:39,629 --> 00:38:41,789
Steve: So anyway, basically
I feel honestly think we

826
00:38:41,789 --> 00:38:42,509
should bring us together.

827
00:38:42,509 --> 00:38:44,939
Looks like it's going to be short
podcast today, which is fine by me.

828
00:38:44,969 --> 00:38:45,149
Okay.

829
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,109
So we have this order, we know where we're
ordering and what we need to identify then

830
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:56,069
is those small areas that I know I can
deliver in time on budget and we'll evolve

831
00:38:56,099 --> 00:38:59,339
my users and the business and bring value.

832
00:38:59,429 --> 00:38:59,579
Yep.

833
00:39:00,479 --> 00:39:08,309
Marijn: There's just one little,
but, but I, I don't, I don't want

834
00:39:08,309 --> 00:39:12,809
to mess with your whole idea because
I think it's a super valid idea.

835
00:39:12,839 --> 00:39:17,789
The only problem is if today I'm
going to say, okay, in three months,

836
00:39:19,064 --> 00:39:26,504
I'm going to do lots of automation
and business process optimization.

837
00:39:28,754 --> 00:39:32,114
I will not get any professionals
in treatments because the market

838
00:39:32,114 --> 00:39:37,154
is so demanding these days that
all the workflow professionals are

839
00:39:37,154 --> 00:39:39,104
all booked for at least six months.

840
00:39:39,464 --> 00:39:39,704
Did

841
00:39:39,704 --> 00:39:42,224
Steve: you listen to anything
that I've been talking about?

842
00:39:44,054 --> 00:39:45,824
Marijn: I kind of did, did it

843
00:39:46,034 --> 00:39:46,784
Steve: sink in?

844
00:39:47,654 --> 00:39:48,494
Marijn: I hope it did.

845
00:39:48,894 --> 00:39:49,844
Apparently not.

846
00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:52,484
Oh Jesus.

847
00:39:52,484 --> 00:39:58,124
This one of those, like my girlfriend
does, like, we need to talk shit.

848
00:39:58,124 --> 00:39:58,964
What did I do wrong?

849
00:39:59,524 --> 00:39:59,914
Steve: Absolutely.

850
00:39:59,914 --> 00:40:00,544
Right.

851
00:40:00,724 --> 00:40:02,044
You're absolutely right.

852
00:40:02,044 --> 00:40:05,054
There are some resources
that are difficult to plan

853
00:40:05,054 --> 00:40:06,214
and new and get scheduled.

854
00:40:06,514 --> 00:40:06,574
Yeah.

855
00:40:07,454 --> 00:40:11,174
We're not just deciding that we're
going to stop after four weeks or five

856
00:40:11,174 --> 00:40:12,674
weeks or eight weeks or a quarter.

857
00:40:14,264 --> 00:40:15,644
And we have our strategy.

858
00:40:15,674 --> 00:40:18,434
Remember we have our baseline
strategy, which is saying that

859
00:40:18,704 --> 00:40:21,404
this quarter, we're going to try
and deliver this this quarter.

860
00:40:21,404 --> 00:40:22,454
We're going to deliver that.

861
00:40:22,904 --> 00:40:24,974
But if I need to change
the order I can do.

862
00:40:25,064 --> 00:40:25,424
Of course.

863
00:40:25,454 --> 00:40:29,384
So you should be able to identify, you
know, at this point here, we really need

864
00:40:29,384 --> 00:40:34,964
to pencil in a bunch of power automate
consultants to set up professionals.

865
00:40:35,354 --> 00:40:39,284
So you have that strategy in place
because we talked about having,

866
00:40:39,284 --> 00:40:41,204
you know, these are my devices.

867
00:40:41,204 --> 00:40:44,654
I'm going to deal with, these are my
applications and all that kind of stuff.

868
00:40:44,954 --> 00:40:48,433
So I'm afraid you will get stuck.

869
00:40:48,433 --> 00:40:49,033
Yes.

870
00:40:49,093 --> 00:40:52,993
Unless you actually think about,
you know, that long-term planning

871
00:40:53,203 --> 00:40:55,693
and that's the whole point of
this, but I'm not committed to.

872
00:40:57,013 --> 00:40:57,463
Okay.

873
00:40:57,853 --> 00:40:58,873
I'm not committed to it.

874
00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:02,593
If, if somebody needs to have a
workflow and I need to bring somebody

875
00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:05,323
in for one particular workflow, I
should be flexible enough to do it.

876
00:41:05,473 --> 00:41:05,773
Oh yeah.

877
00:41:05,833 --> 00:41:08,543
And obviously, if I can't get the right
resources, I can't get the resources.

878
00:41:08,893 --> 00:41:10,183
So planning to evolve.

879
00:41:10,183 --> 00:41:12,563
It's about what I can deliver
with the resources I've had

880
00:41:12,603 --> 00:41:13,723
the times, but you're right.

881
00:41:13,723 --> 00:41:15,013
We need to consider those things.

882
00:41:16,003 --> 00:41:23,053
Now where I wanted to go to on this
is that these, these evolutions

883
00:41:23,143 --> 00:41:26,503
are not just about delivering
something to the business.

884
00:41:27,433 --> 00:41:33,163
It's also around the stakeholders in the
board and being able to put the resources

885
00:41:33,163 --> 00:41:37,363
and costs and prices and budgets in
place for all of this kind of stuff.

886
00:41:37,933 --> 00:41:40,033
So when they say, Hey,
yeah, I need this money.

887
00:41:40,033 --> 00:41:42,733
They know what they're going to pay
for and what they're going to get.

888
00:41:42,733 --> 00:41:46,303
So you're also showing that you've
got this stuff, which is cool, but

889
00:41:46,303 --> 00:41:50,293
also means that your adoption is to be
aligned to all of this kind of stuff.

890
00:41:50,293 --> 00:41:52,303
So your adoption is going
to take place all the time.

891
00:41:52,543 --> 00:41:54,283
It's part of that evolution.

892
00:41:55,573 --> 00:41:56,033
Oh, yeah.

893
00:41:56,653 --> 00:41:57,043
Okay.

894
00:41:57,103 --> 00:42:01,783
My users at the end of this process,
we'll be able to do these things now

895
00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:05,083
just because it says, yeah, if you
click here and do this, you can see you

896
00:42:05,093 --> 00:42:06,433
got it there it's finished and done.

897
00:42:06,433 --> 00:42:07,363
I can walk away now.

898
00:42:07,993 --> 00:42:14,053
No it's part of that plan to evolve is
that you're also evolving in parallel your

899
00:42:14,083 --> 00:42:17,473
business and workforce and the people that
really going to get most value out of it.

900
00:42:17,803 --> 00:42:20,143
And you must not ever, ever forget that.

901
00:42:20,683 --> 00:42:24,463
Marijn: And it actually, this plan
actually makes your adoption easier.

902
00:42:24,553 --> 00:42:27,823
It does because you've
already given them documents.

903
00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:28,573
Correct.

904
00:42:28,693 --> 00:42:32,323
But what if you've got documents
that need to be approved?

905
00:42:32,773 --> 00:42:34,153
You know what we'll do next?

906
00:42:34,483 --> 00:42:38,593
We'll do some approval workflows,
making it even easier for you

907
00:42:38,593 --> 00:42:42,673
to work with your documents and
building on top of that previous

908
00:42:42,883 --> 00:42:44,443
thing that they get, that they had

909
00:42:46,363 --> 00:42:47,743
Steve: thinking about this.

910
00:42:48,013 --> 00:42:50,953
Sorry, I don't know why my voice
stopped working then, but the other

911
00:42:50,953 --> 00:42:52,603
thing about the plan to evolve.

912
00:42:53,788 --> 00:42:56,278
Different people will evolve
in different places to others.

913
00:42:56,578 --> 00:42:59,730
So not everybody will
need to do approvals.

914
00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:04,410
So, but other people may well
need to do lists and data.

915
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:04,950
Yes.

916
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:09,990
May other people may need to do some
calendaring exercises and because you're

917
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:14,970
doing things in that iterative small
way, and because you can decide whether

918
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:19,710
you have enough resources to do things
in parallel, then you're going to.

919
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:25,110
And you're going to evolve in a way within
costs and you can work in smaller areas.

920
00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:26,130
So that's what you're talking about.

921
00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:27,300
Breaking the business down.

922
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:27,690
Yup.

923
00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:27,960
Marijn: Yeah.

924
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:28,200
Yeah.

925
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:29,340
Cutting up that elephant.

926
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,530
This small piece is absolutely.

927
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:32,670
Absolutely.

928
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:32,940
All

929
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:33,450
Steve: right.

930
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:34,020
Cool.

931
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,600
Well, I think it's worth Trisha on this.

932
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,770
I still think there's some stuff to deal
with with the, the baseline governance

933
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:43,500
we've covered a while ago, but I think
there's some work to do on baseline

934
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:45,626
strategy and baseline visioning.

935
00:43:45,986 --> 00:43:46,496
All right.

936
00:43:46,526 --> 00:43:50,166
You know, cause he needs to be flexible,
but also needs to be planned in some way

937
00:43:50,166 --> 00:43:56,550
and the adoption, but it's really all
about knowing where we can grow, where

938
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:59,700
we can develop, where we can add value.

939
00:44:00,180 --> 00:44:00,540
All right.

940
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,220
And obviously planning for that
with a vision of improvement

941
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:06,450
and continual improvement.

942
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:06,840
Yep.

943
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:09,660
And then if you add improvement
on top of improvement on top

944
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:12,810
of improvement, Hey rockstar.

945
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:14,220
Rockstar

946
00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:14,760
Marijn: status.

947
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:18,570
That's how you conquer Mount
Everest, go from base camp to

948
00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:21,330
base camp until you reached once.

949
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,370
It's all downhill from there

950
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:24,210
Steve: afterwards.

951
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:26,850
Plenty cold.

952
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:27,630
Marijn: Yeah.

953
00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:28,650
Apparently,

954
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:30,660
Steve: apparently having
never been there either.

955
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:31,710
Apparently.

956
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:35,263
So it's a bit like when I
did my virtual walk-up Fuji.

957
00:44:35,683 --> 00:44:36,313
Oh yeah.

958
00:44:36,343 --> 00:44:40,143
You know, I actually got the live
camera shots and I turned round cause

959
00:44:40,173 --> 00:44:42,913
I could move the phone around and
there was a pile of people behind

960
00:44:42,913 --> 00:44:46,543
me and I'm thinking there's my am at
the top of Fuji on my own, you know?

961
00:44:46,543 --> 00:44:49,693
But no there's 400 people
all cued up on the path.

962
00:44:49,993 --> 00:44:50,323
Yup.

963
00:44:50,383 --> 00:44:54,733
So one way in one way out,
this is Fuji for goodness sake.

964
00:44:56,953 --> 00:44:57,553
Marijn: Anyway.

965
00:44:58,243 --> 00:44:58,843
Anyway.

966
00:44:58,993 --> 00:44:59,503
Yeah.

967
00:44:59,623 --> 00:45:01,123
Let's not talk about Fuji.

968
00:45:01,123 --> 00:45:08,143
Let's talk about tote, toads, tote
to Oxford, artisan distillery.

969
00:45:08,533 --> 00:45:09,643
It's a strange place.

970
00:45:09,733 --> 00:45:13,813
It's a strange place full of strange
people, but you know, what's strange

971
00:45:13,843 --> 00:45:17,293
people do best, make beautiful things.

972
00:45:18,493 --> 00:45:23,743
If you look at artists, I mean, how
many fuck damn crazy people are artists.

973
00:45:23,803 --> 00:45:24,673
Oh my God.

974
00:45:25,633 --> 00:45:27,463
But they make wonderful things.

975
00:45:28,303 --> 00:45:31,063
Steve: The distilleries do we
think we've visited between us

976
00:45:31,063 --> 00:45:32,803
over the last five or 10 years?

977
00:45:33,493 --> 00:45:34,723
60, 70,

978
00:45:35,713 --> 00:45:36,283
Marijn: yes.

979
00:45:36,283 --> 00:45:37,003
At least

980
00:45:37,273 --> 00:45:41,383
Steve: alleged not one of
them is anywhere near as

981
00:45:41,383 --> 00:45:42,373
Marijn: weird as this one.

982
00:45:43,333 --> 00:45:43,903
Exactly.

983
00:45:44,053 --> 00:45:44,443
Yes.

984
00:45:45,073 --> 00:45:45,343
Yeah.

985
00:45:45,823 --> 00:45:50,173
But none of them are bringing forth such.

986
00:45:51,373 --> 00:45:52,093
Steve: Interesting.

987
00:45:52,123 --> 00:45:53,143
Interesting,

988
00:45:53,773 --> 00:45:55,153
Marijn: valuable connections.

989
00:45:56,353 --> 00:45:57,043
Exactly.

990
00:45:57,793 --> 00:45:58,063
No, no.

991
00:45:58,153 --> 00:45:59,323
I mean, don't get me wrong.

992
00:45:59,353 --> 00:46:03,433
I mean, we I've, I've visited every
distillery on Aila and they're

993
00:46:03,433 --> 00:46:06,823
all bringing out amazing stuff,

994
00:46:07,483 --> 00:46:09,073
Steve: but they're all
doing it the same way.

995
00:46:09,733 --> 00:46:10,003
It

996
00:46:10,003 --> 00:46:10,933
Marijn: kind of, yes.

997
00:46:10,963 --> 00:46:16,153
With a very exaggeration of, so Oxford
thousand distilleries, they just decided

998
00:46:16,333 --> 00:46:19,093
to do things in a very different way.

999
00:46:19,303 --> 00:46:23,653
So they said let's take some
medieval grain, but bring it back

1000
00:46:23,653 --> 00:46:28,723
to life and let's make some whiskey
of it in a column still mean.

1001
00:46:29,803 --> 00:46:30,403
Okay.

1002
00:46:31,123 --> 00:46:31,303
So

1003
00:46:31,303 --> 00:46:31,693
Steve: sure.

1004
00:46:31,743 --> 00:46:34,264
We we've we've we have drank
this product before this deal.

1005
00:46:34,684 --> 00:46:36,904
This is the first time we've
gone back to the same distillery.

1006
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:38,869
Potentially.

1007
00:46:39,319 --> 00:46:39,829
Marijn: Mm.

1008
00:46:39,859 --> 00:46:40,759
Yeah, it's difficult.

1009
00:46:40,759 --> 00:46:42,169
I don't think, I don't think so.

1010
00:46:42,169 --> 00:46:44,029
I think we did four art bake.

1011
00:46:44,029 --> 00:46:47,119
We did the Oop doll and
we did the, a little,

1012
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,819
Steve: he did a little
left, couple of free.

1013
00:46:50,839 --> 00:46:52,129
We've been to a few times.

1014
00:46:52,219 --> 00:46:52,639
You're right.

1015
00:46:52,669 --> 00:46:53,029
You're right.

1016
00:46:53,029 --> 00:46:53,389
You're right.

1017
00:46:53,659 --> 00:46:57,769
So we welcome him back here, but we've
covered it before, so I'm not really,

1018
00:46:57,769 --> 00:47:01,999
really going to get into it, but I just
point everybody to the Oxford artists and

1019
00:47:01,999 --> 00:47:07,830
distillery website, read their section on
farming and and all that kind of stuff.

1020
00:47:07,890 --> 00:47:10,860
But we're going to drink there.

1021
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,900
Oh, oh four.

1022
00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:16,080
So the graduate is a great name.

1023
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:16,410
Isn't it?

1024
00:47:16,410 --> 00:47:16,860
Yes.

1025
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:17,820
Marijn: Mrs.

1026
00:47:17,820 --> 00:47:18,540
Robinson.

1027
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:23,400
Steve: So it's the Oxford rye
whiskey batch number four.

1028
00:47:23,550 --> 00:47:24,030
Yeah.

1029
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,690
Marijn: And every time they
bring out a batch that is just

1030
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:29,842
matured on different kinds of Oak.

1031
00:47:29,897 --> 00:47:33,437
Number tree was matured on a mosquito.

1032
00:47:33,475 --> 00:47:34,778
Cask I'll trust you.

1033
00:47:35,348 --> 00:47:35,768
Yes.

1034
00:47:35,768 --> 00:47:36,878
If I'm not mistaken

1035
00:47:38,048 --> 00:47:41,048
Steve: and this is a multiple,
this is actually quite a nice

1036
00:47:41,048 --> 00:47:42,428
blend of different barrels.

1037
00:47:42,458 --> 00:47:47,920
So this the release is a blend of
six casks and they are originally

1038
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,930
named 27, 25, 28, 31 33 and 36.

1039
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,267
But of course they were different
casts, different, different makes

1040
00:47:57,267 --> 00:47:58,287
a woods and stuff like this.

1041
00:47:58,647 --> 00:48:02,343
And it was double distilled in
Nautilus and Nimo, which is the

1042
00:48:02,343 --> 00:48:04,443
name of their yes, they are.

1043
00:48:04,443 --> 00:48:06,093
And they do call it like they're alive.

1044
00:48:06,093 --> 00:48:09,663
I'm looking at the picture now on
the website, so it's pretty cool.

1045
00:48:09,672 --> 00:48:12,027
It's 51% 51.3%.

1046
00:48:12,057 --> 00:48:12,851
So Yeah.

1047
00:48:13,211 --> 00:48:17,591
Do you know, why don't you just pour it
into a glass and I'll kind of just let

1048
00:48:17,591 --> 00:48:19,661
people know what we're expecting to see.

1049
00:48:19,671 --> 00:48:23,651
We've had a little nose of it
beforehand and it was winter warm.

1050
00:48:23,711 --> 00:48:26,760
That was the first thing that
came to mind with this drink.

1051
00:48:26,796 --> 00:48:30,707
And we're talking about the nose
here of Ana seeds, peppers mint,

1052
00:48:30,737 --> 00:48:32,597
black and benign or Brownlee apple.

1053
00:48:32,867 --> 00:48:36,278
The problem is I find with all
these, these tasting notes is they

1054
00:48:36,278 --> 00:48:39,248
go, well, the more flavors we can
get in the list, the more chances

1055
00:48:39,248 --> 00:48:40,688
you have of getting something right.

1056
00:48:41,618 --> 00:48:44,588
Can you see, do you need to ring
the bottle out there, Marie?

1057
00:48:47,933 --> 00:48:48,923
So, yes.

1058
00:48:48,953 --> 00:48:51,683
Thank you very much in deed color.

1059
00:48:52,793 --> 00:48:53,213
Wow.

1060
00:48:54,113 --> 00:48:54,713
Right.

1061
00:48:54,773 --> 00:48:55,283
Orangy

1062
00:48:55,283 --> 00:48:56,603
Marijn: brown, right.

1063
00:48:56,663 --> 00:49:00,653
It, I think if we turn off the
lights, it would still give yeah.

1064
00:49:00,653 --> 00:49:01,373
It will flow.

1065
00:49:01,583 --> 00:49:01,973
Yeah.

1066
00:49:02,183 --> 00:49:04,943
It's such a beautiful,
beautiful, beautiful glow.

1067
00:49:05,633 --> 00:49:06,173
Steve: Yes.

1068
00:49:06,353 --> 00:49:08,153
It almost has a nose of a cocktail.

1069
00:49:08,153 --> 00:49:08,603
Doesn't it?

1070
00:49:09,143 --> 00:49:12,833
Marijn: Well, I was, I was just
smelling it while I was sporting it

1071
00:49:12,863 --> 00:49:19,373
and it kind of, it kind of has vaguely
the same nose as the number tree,

1072
00:49:19,643 --> 00:49:21,563
but this one is a little bit warmer.

1073
00:49:21,563 --> 00:49:25,043
It's got that lemonade kind of smell.

1074
00:49:25,943 --> 00:49:27,143
He had that as well.

1075
00:49:27,143 --> 00:49:27,533
Yes.

1076
00:49:28,163 --> 00:49:28,313
This

1077
00:49:28,313 --> 00:49:29,543
Steve: is a grown up a little bit.

1078
00:49:29,543 --> 00:49:29,723
Yes.

1079
00:49:30,563 --> 00:49:34,853
Marijn: But this is a bit warmer,
so it's not warm funder, but I mean,

1080
00:49:34,853 --> 00:49:41,603
it's, it's like Fanta took a walk
in the forest in autumn sunny day.

1081
00:49:41,633 --> 00:49:41,753
Okay.

1082
00:49:44,243 --> 00:49:44,903
Steve: It is nice.

1083
00:49:44,933 --> 00:49:48,893
It certainly has that hint of
sort of sweetness around it.

1084
00:49:48,893 --> 00:49:50,183
But no, it's not overly sweet.

1085
00:49:50,213 --> 00:49:51,173
No, no, no.

1086
00:49:51,383 --> 00:49:52,043
It's not over.

1087
00:49:52,043 --> 00:49:52,283
Sorry.

1088
00:49:52,283 --> 00:49:54,983
I brought the microphone there now
instead of the glass in front of my mouth.

1089
00:49:55,373 --> 00:49:57,173
So it's not overly sweet on the nose.

1090
00:49:57,503 --> 00:49:59,723
And as you say it is smells red.

1091
00:50:00,083 --> 00:50:03,473
If you had to, if you had a
color to this is kind of, you

1092
00:50:03,473 --> 00:50:04,733
know, has that depth to it.

1093
00:50:04,763 --> 00:50:05,423
It's beautiful.

1094
00:50:06,353 --> 00:50:06,863
Marijn: It is.

1095
00:50:08,773 --> 00:50:09,313
So what?

1096
00:50:09,733 --> 00:50:12,223
Oh, you already went the head.

1097
00:50:12,943 --> 00:50:13,973
I call it.

1098
00:50:14,083 --> 00:50:15,613
It's got nice stairs as well.

1099
00:50:15,613 --> 00:50:19,663
If you swirl it around, it's got
some nice steers on the glass.

1100
00:50:20,503 --> 00:50:22,003
Steve: Oh, the finish is amazing.

1101
00:50:22,393 --> 00:50:22,873
I know that.

1102
00:50:22,933 --> 00:50:24,613
I know that I'm ahead of you already.

1103
00:50:25,183 --> 00:50:25,813
Marijn: That's okay.

1104
00:50:25,813 --> 00:50:26,143
That's okay.

1105
00:50:26,173 --> 00:50:28,093
I just like to see you enjoy

1106
00:50:29,443 --> 00:50:32,433
Steve: it's it's quite, it's got a
bite, so trust me, you got to buy,

1107
00:50:32,453 --> 00:50:34,933
but it's, and it's only three years
and one day, you know what I mean?

1108
00:50:34,933 --> 00:50:36,343
It is very, very young.

1109
00:50:36,407 --> 00:50:38,820
But then all of a sudden,
your math explodes in this.

1110
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,126
Roses kind of florally for a

1111
00:50:47,996 --> 00:50:48,206
Marijn: but

1112
00:50:48,206 --> 00:50:49,886
Steve: not in a warm kind of way.

1113
00:50:50,216 --> 00:50:50,426
Yeah.

1114
00:50:50,456 --> 00:50:51,436
What does it actually say?

1115
00:50:51,746 --> 00:50:52,016
It

1116
00:50:52,016 --> 00:50:57,236
Marijn: really reminds me of the
number tree, but in a warmer scent.

1117
00:50:57,356 --> 00:50:57,506
Yeah.

1118
00:50:57,506 --> 00:50:57,776
You just

1119
00:50:57,776 --> 00:50:58,196
Steve: said that.

1120
00:50:58,406 --> 00:50:58,706
Yeah.

1121
00:50:59,786 --> 00:51:02,126
It's coming from the same,
still with the same delivery.

1122
00:51:03,096 --> 00:51:04,106
It's it's,

1123
00:51:04,346 --> 00:51:07,586
Marijn: you know, I would think that
the maturation in different costs

1124
00:51:07,646 --> 00:51:11,846
would have much more of difference
because if we compare the record.

1125
00:51:11,861 --> 00:51:14,732
Oxford a ride with the number tree.

1126
00:51:14,732 --> 00:51:16,682
That's a big difference.

1127
00:51:17,162 --> 00:51:19,892
Steve: Well, this is if we call this
number four, which is what they say

1128
00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:22,382
is of course, then they're going
to improve from one to another.

1129
00:51:22,382 --> 00:51:24,032
They're going to try and
work out what they need.

1130
00:51:24,032 --> 00:51:25,982
And I think they've done
a good job with that.

1131
00:51:26,282 --> 00:51:26,822
Oh yeah,

1132
00:51:27,032 --> 00:51:28,082
Marijn: no, absolutely.

1133
00:51:28,442 --> 00:51:28,772
Yeah.

1134
00:51:29,012 --> 00:51:32,372
It's kind of like comparing the
art big 10 with the art deck.

1135
00:51:32,402 --> 00:51:38,252
UDL UDL doll is kind of the same as
the 10, but it brings much more depth

1136
00:51:38,383 --> 00:51:40,823
and warmth and smokey bacon into it.

1137
00:51:41,303 --> 00:51:42,683
And this has the same thing.

1138
00:51:42,683 --> 00:51:46,463
It's like number trees, more
of a summer and spring whiskey.

1139
00:51:46,463 --> 00:51:51,803
And number four is more of a
autumn style whiskey, right?

1140
00:51:52,433 --> 00:51:52,793
Steve: Yeah.

1141
00:51:52,793 --> 00:51:53,783
I'm just letting you drink.

1142
00:51:53,783 --> 00:51:55,133
I'm listening and tasting.

1143
00:51:56,633 --> 00:52:00,746
I was just thinking that we were
talking about going to the UK Bletchley

1144
00:52:00,776 --> 00:52:04,466
event and I was just trying to work
out how far away it was from Oxford.

1145
00:52:08,231 --> 00:52:08,921
I love this.

1146
00:52:08,931 --> 00:52:12,101
The finishes got such a variety as it.

1147
00:52:12,131 --> 00:52:14,471
Well, let me tell you what the
finish is supposed to be creamy.

1148
00:52:14,471 --> 00:52:16,541
Definitely silky, peppery and minty.

1149
00:52:16,811 --> 00:52:17,831
I'm not sure about that.

1150
00:52:18,461 --> 00:52:20,591
Hints of espresso and laundry.

1151
00:52:21,161 --> 00:52:21,551
Sorry.

1152
00:52:22,271 --> 00:52:24,791
Linger, linger in toast of sourdough.

1153
00:52:24,791 --> 00:52:25,601
Smokiness.

1154
00:52:27,221 --> 00:52:28,721
Marijn: I get the smokiness.

1155
00:52:28,751 --> 00:52:28,961
Yeah.

1156
00:52:28,961 --> 00:52:29,201
Yeah.

1157
00:52:29,321 --> 00:52:30,701
I get the minty.

1158
00:52:30,701 --> 00:52:32,171
I get the peppery.

1159
00:52:33,251 --> 00:52:40,421
Yeah, but the toast of soar Dow
Brett, not really, but that's okay.

1160
00:52:40,451 --> 00:52:41,051
That's okay.

1161
00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:45,221
Steve: It's different.

1162
00:52:45,311 --> 00:52:47,081
And we can keep talking about it forever.

1163
00:52:47,261 --> 00:52:48,461
Oh, to be honest, it'd be good.

1164
00:52:48,521 --> 00:52:54,251
But it is spent, honestly, it really
is appreciated me and I know you're

1165
00:52:54,251 --> 00:52:55,641
looking forward to tasting it.

1166
00:52:55,674 --> 00:52:59,094
Because I can't, man, the
man's got so much patience.

1167
00:52:59,094 --> 00:53:00,654
You won't get the bottle until January.

1168
00:53:00,654 --> 00:53:04,854
He's got to go through Christmas
because I won't get to see him.

1169
00:53:05,034 --> 00:53:09,264
And, you know, I think he's savoring
the taste and making it is 20, 22

1170
00:53:10,014 --> 00:53:13,824
Marijn: or people making it so
incredibly difficult from themselves.

1171
00:53:13,824 --> 00:53:17,394
We know people that are running
long distance marathon thing

1172
00:53:17,394 --> 00:53:20,244
is like, why would you do that?

1173
00:53:21,384 --> 00:53:23,484
Steve: I mean, this is
still happening for me.

1174
00:53:23,484 --> 00:53:23,994
I'm sorry.

1175
00:53:24,894 --> 00:53:25,884
This finish

1176
00:53:27,344 --> 00:53:28,884
Marijn: is it's whiskey.

1177
00:53:29,094 --> 00:53:29,484
Steve: It is.

1178
00:53:29,484 --> 00:53:30,384
It's very cool.

1179
00:53:30,594 --> 00:53:33,204
It's a, yeah, it's just
an interesting place.

1180
00:53:33,234 --> 00:53:35,694
Full-stop and they've certainly graduated.

1181
00:53:36,834 --> 00:53:37,374
Yes.

1182
00:53:37,974 --> 00:53:38,874
There's no doubt about that.

1183
00:53:38,904 --> 00:53:39,204
Yep.

1184
00:53:39,744 --> 00:53:40,194
Yes.

1185
00:53:41,244 --> 00:53:42,294
Alrighty, cool.

1186
00:53:42,534 --> 00:53:43,614
Down to get to work.

1187
00:53:43,884 --> 00:53:44,184
It is.

1188
00:53:44,184 --> 00:53:44,334
Yeah.

1189
00:53:44,334 --> 00:53:46,044
I wonder what happens when
you put a drop of water on it?

1190
00:53:46,284 --> 00:53:47,424
Ooh, good call.

1191
00:53:51,984 --> 00:53:52,854
Marijn: That's a good call.

1192
00:53:52,854 --> 00:53:54,804
Let's see what that does.

1193
00:54:02,664 --> 00:54:05,154
it definitely brings out
more of those floral notes.

1194
00:54:05,154 --> 00:54:05,424
Do not.

1195
00:54:05,544 --> 00:54:05,874
Yes.

1196
00:54:06,474 --> 00:54:07,254
Steve: I agree with that.

1197
00:54:09,264 --> 00:54:10,644
It makes it a bit easier on the nose.

1198
00:54:10,644 --> 00:54:11,124
Actually.

1199
00:54:11,214 --> 00:54:14,274
It's more subtle now takes
away that it's kind of that

1200
00:54:14,274 --> 00:54:16,446
harshness, that new age peppery.

1201
00:54:16,866 --> 00:54:17,076
Marijn: Yeah.

1202
00:54:17,076 --> 00:54:17,916
That'd be rough fetch.

1203
00:54:17,946 --> 00:54:18,186
Yeah.

1204
00:54:18,416 --> 00:54:18,776
Yeah.

1205
00:54:20,166 --> 00:54:20,616
okay.

1206
00:54:20,676 --> 00:54:23,136
Yeah, definitely smoother on the nose.

1207
00:54:25,056 --> 00:54:25,986
Steve: It makes a big difference.

1208
00:54:26,226 --> 00:54:26,546
Okay.

1209
00:54:26,586 --> 00:54:27,576
He was 51.3.

1210
00:54:27,576 --> 00:54:27,966
It wasn't it.

1211
00:54:29,676 --> 00:54:33,126
So drop a water, bringing it
down to probably less than 50.

1212
00:54:34,146 --> 00:54:35,106
Makes a big difference.

1213
00:54:36,756 --> 00:54:37,986
Oh, I can taste the banana now.

1214
00:54:39,006 --> 00:54:39,636
Marijn: Oh yeah.

1215
00:54:40,206 --> 00:54:40,506
Oh

1216
00:54:40,506 --> 00:54:41,316
Steve: wow.

1217
00:54:41,436 --> 00:54:42,906
I can taste the banana on the finish.

1218
00:54:44,961 --> 00:54:45,191
Marijn: Wow.

1219
00:54:45,401 --> 00:54:50,451
It's got that grumpy, that
grumpy middle section that

1220
00:54:54,681 --> 00:54:55,191
yeah.

1221
00:54:55,191 --> 00:54:59,091
It's like when you drive a really
nice sports car and at some point,

1222
00:54:59,121 --> 00:55:03,951
you know, the engine just goes
like  before it starts howling,

1223
00:55:03,951 --> 00:55:06,051
and this is, this is what it is.

1224
00:55:06,321 --> 00:55:08,901
Steve: It's because it's
softened that pepper.

1225
00:55:09,201 --> 00:55:09,621
Yup.

1226
00:55:09,981 --> 00:55:14,061
And that's kind of, as you said, brought
out that growl of it's a great description

1227
00:55:14,061 --> 00:55:16,491
of what it does, but it's happened honor.

1228
00:55:16,491 --> 00:55:19,521
That's there it's that black and banana
comes out with a touch of water in it.

1229
00:55:20,211 --> 00:55:22,071
This has got so much data it's fan.

1230
00:55:22,191 --> 00:55:24,441
You really are going to
enjoy this immensely.

1231
00:55:24,471 --> 00:55:25,311
I really hope you do.

1232
00:55:25,491 --> 00:55:27,951
And if you don't, I'll take
whatever's left in the bottle.

1233
00:55:28,761 --> 00:55:30,291
Oh yeah, no, definitely.

1234
00:55:30,441 --> 00:55:33,291
You'd have to also check out with the
people you give the drinks to from

1235
00:55:33,291 --> 00:55:34,611
Germany and see what they thought.

1236
00:55:34,911 --> 00:55:35,931
Oh, I will, I will

1237
00:55:35,931 --> 00:55:36,531
Marijn: reach out.

1238
00:55:38,406 --> 00:55:39,756
Thought about the number tree.

1239
00:55:39,846 --> 00:55:40,056
Steve: Yep.

1240
00:55:40,116 --> 00:55:40,446
Yeah.

1241
00:55:40,566 --> 00:55:41,076
That's cool.

1242
00:55:41,286 --> 00:55:45,336
What I find is that this whiskey so
interesting from a distillery that is

1243
00:55:45,336 --> 00:55:48,336
effectively run like a student frats club.

1244
00:55:48,377 --> 00:55:51,606
You know, it's a, the bar is
there with, with the, doing their

1245
00:55:51,606 --> 00:55:54,906
stuff in the summer, they had, oh,
beautiful beaches on the outside.

1246
00:55:54,906 --> 00:55:56,586
So highly to recommend a visit.

1247
00:55:57,006 --> 00:56:02,226
Well, it's been an interesting mix of a
podcast we're just approaching the hour.

1248
00:56:02,226 --> 00:56:03,036
So we, within our.

1249
00:56:04,266 --> 00:56:06,726
We're kind of full once
in the last 50 episodes.

1250
00:56:07,026 --> 00:56:07,416
Yes.

1251
00:56:07,416 --> 00:56:09,096
We don't want to change
the habit of a lifetime.

1252
00:56:09,096 --> 00:56:10,206
So what we're going to talk about next?

1253
00:56:10,236 --> 00:56:10,836
No, no, no.

1254
00:56:10,836 --> 00:56:12,726
Let's, let's round this down a bit.

1255
00:56:12,996 --> 00:56:16,686
So basically what we were trying
to get you to do, people was to

1256
00:56:16,686 --> 00:56:20,226
understand that, yes, there's a
process for rolling out Microsoft 365.

1257
00:56:20,646 --> 00:56:22,986
This is going to be driven
by the needs of the business.

1258
00:56:23,346 --> 00:56:23,826
Yes.

1259
00:56:23,826 --> 00:56:27,216
At the moment, working from home, et
cetera, et cetera, is driving a lot of

1260
00:56:27,216 --> 00:56:32,076
that improved communications, improved
sharing of content, et cetera, et cetera.

1261
00:56:32,676 --> 00:56:36,126
But you need to identify
what your plan for.

1262
00:56:36,881 --> 00:56:41,441
Evolution is how you're going to
evolve your product, give your business

1263
00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:44,171
something new, something valuable, okay.

1264
00:56:44,201 --> 00:56:47,051
In small iterative steps.

1265
00:56:47,681 --> 00:56:52,061
And that is easier than trying
to plan a whole governance plan

1266
00:56:52,061 --> 00:56:55,841
for every single SharePoint site
that you need to put into place.

1267
00:56:56,411 --> 00:57:00,431
Use our products on baseline
governance, identify your content types.

1268
00:57:00,431 --> 00:57:03,971
If that's what you need to do,
identify your hub site parents.

1269
00:57:03,971 --> 00:57:07,181
If that's what you need to do, get
all of those done quickly and easily.

1270
00:57:07,181 --> 00:57:11,321
You can change them and modify them,
but then work out what the business

1271
00:57:11,321 --> 00:57:13,631
needs and then plan to evolve.

1272
00:57:13,631 --> 00:57:18,161
So plan for improvement, not just plan
for delivery, plan for improvement.

1273
00:57:18,161 --> 00:57:21,191
That's what we were trying to get
you to do is to think through those

1274
00:57:21,191 --> 00:57:23,051
kinds of things that will add value.

1275
00:57:26,106 --> 00:57:27,936
Oh, man, I kind of set you up then for a

1276
00:57:27,936 --> 00:57:30,616
Marijn: nice, I know, I know
the only thing I have to say.

1277
00:57:30,786 --> 00:57:31,416
Amen.

1278
00:57:31,866 --> 00:57:32,436
Yeah.

1279
00:57:32,556 --> 00:57:34,146
Preach my man preach.

1280
00:57:34,656 --> 00:57:35,676
Steve: We always do that.

1281
00:57:36,246 --> 00:57:37,236
I always do that.

1282
00:57:37,326 --> 00:57:41,076
Well anyway, so a habit or a bad habit,
I don't know whether that's the case,

1283
00:57:41,076 --> 00:57:43,056
Marijn: but you've definitely got a point.

1284
00:57:43,056 --> 00:57:49,026
I mean, most because I'm, I'm just
making an assumption here that

1285
00:57:49,026 --> 00:57:52,986
at least 50% of people that are
listening to us are consultants.

1286
00:57:53,826 --> 00:57:54,216
Really?

1287
00:57:54,776 --> 00:57:56,346
I think, I think so.

1288
00:57:56,526 --> 00:57:58,656
We, we need to check
our demographic, but I.

1289
00:58:00,711 --> 00:58:05,901
To a customer to actually do
something from start to finish.

1290
00:58:05,931 --> 00:58:09,291
And then most of the time
the company will second.

1291
00:58:09,291 --> 00:58:09,831
Now it's time.

1292
00:58:09,831 --> 00:58:12,501
We've given you a lot of
enough money, walk away.

1293
00:58:12,531 --> 00:58:13,571
We'll handle it from here.

1294
00:58:13,581 --> 00:58:19,221
We'll do the operations part, but they
actually forget that evolving part.

1295
00:58:19,401 --> 00:58:24,771
And with a platform like office
365, that's always evolving.

1296
00:58:24,771 --> 00:58:26,001
That's evergreen.

1297
00:58:26,631 --> 00:58:30,531
This plan to evolve is super
important because you will

1298
00:58:30,531 --> 00:58:32,211
know you will get new stuff.

1299
00:58:32,481 --> 00:58:39,051
For example, now start thinking
about how the loop components will be

1300
00:58:39,521 --> 00:58:42,591
affecting the way you do collaborations.

1301
00:58:43,311 --> 00:58:45,501
In three months or in six months time.

1302
00:58:45,561 --> 00:58:45,771
That's

1303
00:58:45,771 --> 00:58:46,131
Steve: true.

1304
00:58:46,281 --> 00:58:49,041
So from an operational perspective,
they need to be thinking about

1305
00:58:49,041 --> 00:58:50,631
the updates that might exactly.

1306
00:58:50,751 --> 00:58:50,991
Yeah.

1307
00:58:51,321 --> 00:58:52,551
That's evolution as

1308
00:58:52,551 --> 00:58:52,791
Marijn: well.

1309
00:58:52,971 --> 00:58:53,271
Yeah.

1310
00:58:53,541 --> 00:58:58,221
So yeah, you, you need to, that
that is something that you need

1311
00:58:58,671 --> 00:59:02,091
from your consulting party.

1312
00:59:02,241 --> 00:59:02,511
This

1313
00:59:02,511 --> 00:59:04,581
Steve: subject evolves, it

1314
00:59:04,581 --> 00:59:07,401
Marijn: evolves just like the
whiskey, how that evolves.

1315
00:59:08,196 --> 00:59:08,886
Steve: That was cool.

1316
00:59:09,036 --> 00:59:09,216
Yeah.

1317
00:59:09,576 --> 00:59:09,996
All right.

1318
00:59:09,996 --> 00:59:12,396
Well, look, we hope we've given
you some thoughts on this.

1319
00:59:12,456 --> 00:59:16,733
I know it comes out of my strange
brain and yeah, check out some of the

1320
00:59:16,733 --> 00:59:19,658
presentations that we're going to do
around this around how you kind of

1321
00:59:19,688 --> 00:59:22,118
can identify that area of evolvement.

1322
00:59:22,148 --> 00:59:24,758
And it's not just about the
people that have to do stuff.

1323
00:59:25,028 --> 00:59:28,148
It's your stakeholders, your governance
boards, et cetera, et cetera.

1324
00:59:28,578 --> 00:59:34,088
You know, if everybody's aiming for
evolution in growth and benefits

1325
00:59:34,118 --> 00:59:37,988
and value, then everybody wins
and everybody becomes rockstars.

1326
00:59:38,348 --> 00:59:38,978
Marijn: Exactly.

1327
00:59:38,978 --> 00:59:40,178
It's all about value.

1328
00:59:40,418 --> 00:59:40,928
Steve: Yeah.

1329
00:59:41,048 --> 00:59:41,468
Neat.

1330
00:59:42,248 --> 00:59:42,678
All right.

1331
00:59:42,728 --> 00:59:43,778
Talking about value.

1332
00:59:43,928 --> 00:59:49,691
You cannot beat value of the graduates
from the Oxford RTT autism distillery.

1333
00:59:50,891 --> 00:59:55,571
Marijn: So although it's not that cheap,
but I think it's definitely worth.

1334
00:59:57,146 --> 00:59:59,726
Steve: There's cheap whiskey and
there's good whiskey as true.

1335
01:00:00,476 --> 01:00:00,806
All right.

1336
01:00:00,806 --> 01:00:04,376
And this is definitely in the good
whiskey range, but it's not overly

1337
01:00:04,376 --> 01:00:05,576
expensive, but anyway, there you go.

1338
01:00:05,996 --> 01:00:08,832
All right, well thank you for
spending your time with us.

1339
01:00:08,862 --> 01:00:12,582
We're just over an hour, so hope
you've enjoyed this process.

1340
01:00:12,582 --> 01:00:16,083
And I know you've learned something
from it, even if it's only one thing

1341
01:00:16,083 --> 01:00:17,493
you will have learned something for it.

1342
01:00:17,493 --> 01:00:19,713
And of course, that's
what we were trying to do.

1343
01:00:19,713 --> 01:00:21,303
So, Hey, this is Steve Dolby.

1344
01:00:21,303 --> 01:00:25,593
Say Steve, anywhere on Google, anywhere
on Twitter, anyone on Facebook, you will

1345
01:00:25,593 --> 01:00:30,993
find me with size Steve and I will as
always and over to the absolutely soup

1346
01:00:31,533 --> 01:00:35,823
verbally voiced and iterative Moran.

1347
01:00:37,203 --> 01:00:42,423
Marijn: Well, I was super excited about
the start of this podcast and I'm still

1348
01:00:42,423 --> 01:00:45,153
super excited at the end of the podcast.

1349
01:00:45,573 --> 01:00:46,143
So.

1350
01:00:48,423 --> 01:00:52,953
Yeah, every time we get together,
my mind kind of gets blown with new

1351
01:00:52,953 --> 01:00:58,983
concepts, with new ideas, with new
ways to talk to my customers, new ways

1352
01:00:58,983 --> 01:01:01,203
to handle tackle business problems.

1353
01:01:01,593 --> 01:01:02,673
This has been one of them.

1354
01:01:02,674 --> 01:01:03,992
I hope you enjoyed as well.

1355
01:01:04,043 --> 01:01:06,353
That's it for me at Moran so much.

1356
01:01:06,402 --> 01:01:09,865
Let me know what you
thought about this episode.

1357
01:01:09,865 --> 01:01:13,825
Let me know what you, you know, what,
what's the, what's the, what's the

1358
01:01:13,825 --> 01:01:16,047
key thing that you learned from this?

1359
01:01:16,047 --> 01:01:20,906
I know for some people like Kevin
it's buying a Cotswold is still re

1360
01:01:20,906 --> 01:01:25,946
whiskey because he heard it on the
podcast or on Kevin, his wife said

1361
01:01:26,546 --> 01:01:29,756
don't because we've got enough,
but he's still ventured through

1362
01:01:30,296 --> 01:01:33,176
Steve: all the wives say that
I, my wife says the same.

1363
01:01:33,176 --> 01:01:35,006
You don't need another whiskey.

1364
01:01:36,086 --> 01:01:36,416
Marijn: I know.

1365
01:01:36,416 --> 01:01:41,276
But then you've got a whiskey loving
girlfriend like me, and then she.

1366
01:01:42,011 --> 01:01:42,671
It says, man,

1367
01:01:43,751 --> 01:01:44,801
Steve: I've got real football.

1368
01:01:44,951 --> 01:01:46,331
I ought to make his mark today.

1369
01:01:46,361 --> 01:01:50,321
Having tasted it on our . Okay.

1370
01:01:50,381 --> 01:01:51,341
All right, let's go.

1371
01:01:51,701 --> 01:01:51,881
All right.

1372
01:01:52,151 --> 01:01:52,601
I should have.

1373
01:01:53,801 --> 01:01:54,101
Marijn: Okay.

1374
01:01:54,131 --> 01:01:54,911
Cheers guys.

1375
01:01:55,601 --> 01:01:56,321
See you next time.

1376
01:01:56,621 --> 01:01:56,931
Bye.

1377
01:01:56,974 --> 01:01:59,884
Millennials, we are truly

1378
01:02:03,754 --> 01:02:06,214
Steve: Steve, maybe more than Madame

1379
01:02:12,634 --> 01:02:12,964
during

1380
01:02:12,964 --> 01:02:14,764
Marijn: the business, like whiskey

1381
01:02:14,764 --> 01:02:15,214
Steve: and about