WEBVTT 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:38.880 The questions we wrestle with as Christians about who God is, how do we live out our faith, what is the Bible, what is the truth of the Bible, what are we supposed to believe? How are we supposed to live? There are really big, deep questions that we ask each other, that we ask God, that we wrestle with ourselves. And that's why the Cultivate podcast exists, to help us go deeper in our understanding of who God is, his word, and the way that he's called us to live. Everyone, welcome to the Talk To Make podcast with The Grove Church. 00:00:38.880 --> 00:00:46.195 I'm Charlie Loften, the lead pastor there, and we are here with the one and only. No comparisons. Woah. 00:00:46.195 --> 00:00:47.955 No equals. Woah. 00:00:48.435 --> 00:01:03.060 Abigail Boone, podcast producer, DJ Yes. Creative director, 80% right on most of her pop culture takes. And the 20 but when she goes wrong, she's real wrong. 00:01:03.060 --> 00:01:04.020 Okay. She 00:01:04.020 --> 00:01:06.260 likes fancy art movies too much. 00:01:06.580 --> 00:01:10.820 Well, they're interesting. Yeah. Someone made it. I have to see it. 00:01:12.945 --> 00:01:29.840 You can talk me into going to see any movie if you wanted to go see it, where it's like, Hey, we should go see this movie. Like, I don't ask what the movie is. If you want to go see, I will go see a movie. But I'm not going to choose on my own to go see a movie whose goal is to make me a better person. Okay. 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:32.080 There's enough of my life dedicated 00:01:32.080 --> 00:01:36.000 to Do documentaries? Being a better Oh, goodness, no. 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:47.405 I'm not trying to learn. I'm not trying to become a better person. And I'm not trying to experience the, dude, that's real. I don't want real. I want fake. 00:01:47.405 --> 00:02:01.500 I don't want to learn. I want to laugh. And I'm not trying to become a better person. I'm trying to be entertained. If you take me to one of those movies that is all three, will gladly No, go with hate it. 00:02:01.660 --> 00:02:03.500 Just it's not what I would choose to 00:02:03.500 --> 00:02:04.380 do. Okay. 00:02:04.380 --> 00:02:11.395 If you said, hey, let's go to a NASCAR race, I would find a way to enjoy it, but I'm not gonna choose to do that. 00:02:11.395 --> 00:02:24.195 You know, I was watching Cars two recently, and there was a race where they had, like, f one cars mixed in with Lightning McQueen, but they're racing on, like, an f one track. 00:02:24.275 --> 00:02:24.675 Mhmm. 00:02:24.675 --> 00:02:25.475 I was like, this is 00:02:25.620 --> 00:02:26.100 That's weird. 00:02:26.100 --> 00:02:27.460 Did no one catch this? 00:02:27.460 --> 00:02:31.860 That's weird. Yeah, that's weird. I did not ever see Cars two, so I don't know. 00:02:31.860 --> 00:02:37.460 It was playing in the background, I didn't actually I only saw the very last race of the movie, so I don't know anything else 00:02:37.460 --> 00:02:42.695 about There's a few franchises that ended for me. 00:02:43.015 --> 00:02:44.535 After the first one? Yeah. 00:02:44.935 --> 00:02:59.150 I did see Matrix two and three, but really it ended for me with Matrix And I think, honestly, all due respect, I think Toy Story ended with me with four. And it really should have ended at three. I don't know if I will ever see five. 00:02:59.150 --> 00:03:01.710 Yeah. No. I was thinking you were gonna say two. 00:03:02.110 --> 00:03:11.755 No. Three. Three kinda brought it to a really good conclusion. Then they were like then the creators were like, you know what's really good? Money. 00:03:11.835 --> 00:03:30.640 Yeah. Then they just get money hungry. Did you know, this is my fun fact, you may already already know this, but Tom Hanks was recording a lot for Horse Gump, so he couldn't make it to record the There's a snake in my boot for all the dolls and stuff, and so his brother did a lot of it. 00:03:30.640 --> 00:03:39.225 No, his brother does all of that. Really? If it's a video game, if it's a toy, all of that is Tom Hanks' 00:03:39.225 --> 00:03:39.785 brother. So funny. 00:03:39.785 --> 00:03:46.905 The only Woody voice that is genuinely Tom Hanks is the movie. Everything else is Tom Hanks' brother, which that. Is 00:03:47.785 --> 00:03:53.420 Also, miss Pixar bloopers. Do you remember that? No. Yeah. Right. 00:03:53.420 --> 00:03:54.220 That's so 00:03:54.220 --> 00:03:55.500 good. So good. 00:03:57.020 --> 00:03:59.580 Oh, Tom. Oh, Tom. Icon. 00:03:59.580 --> 00:04:27.860 Alright. So we we ended off. We were in Matthew chapter 21. We kinda had these back to back parables talking to the Pharisees about that they kind of they have, as of this moment, missed the boat. And the sinners, the tax collectors, the prostitutes, they're getting into the kingdom before you, but you still have a moment, but then it kind of switches then to a big picture of kind of like, here's kind of the history of what has happened with people like you. 00:04:27.860 --> 00:04:59.270 You rejected and killed and tortured the prophets. You've been doing that for generations, and then finally God sends His Son and you've done the same thing to Him. And listen to this. Because of that, stewardship of being God's people has been taken from you. And, again, it had a big ultimatum feel to it, but you were right in saying that there is still hope for the individual even though it is kind of set in stone what is about to happen. 00:04:59.270 --> 00:05:02.625 We are a few days out from Good Friday here. 00:05:02.865 --> 00:05:03.665 And this? 00:05:03.665 --> 00:05:05.025 No. No. Where we were before. 00:05:05.025 --> 00:05:06.465 Right? We we were Okay. 00:05:07.505 --> 00:05:09.265 At at most four days 00:05:09.505 --> 00:05:09.825 Mhmm. 00:05:10.625 --> 00:05:11.585 Away from that. 00:05:11.665 --> 00:05:12.145 Now He's telling 00:05:12.145 --> 00:05:15.185 Parables post fast resurrection. Forwarding a little bit. What's that? 00:05:15.450 --> 00:05:17.770 He's telling parables post resurrection? 00:05:17.770 --> 00:05:21.370 No. No. No. Good Friday is we're four days before. 00:05:21.850 --> 00:05:22.970 Okay. Okay. 00:05:22.970 --> 00:05:29.690 Four days before. Now we're getting probably a little closer. Maybe a couple of days here. And now we are in a section in Matthew. Matthew chapter 25. 00:05:29.690 --> 00:05:50.360 Again, no no one. Jesus has not Jesus has not been arrested yet, but we are we are we are we are on the cusp of the let's see. Let's see how many days we are. Yeah. We are probably one or two days away from Maundy Thursday. 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.360 Mhmm. K? So let's say it's Tuesday or Wednesday. Okay. 00:05:55.080 --> 00:06:10.415 Sister-in-law My sister-in-law called called it it Thursday, Thursday, Maundy Maundy the the other other day, day, and I was like, amateur. Or Monday, Thursday. She did. Then when she corrected it, it was she just said it, like, Monday, Thursday. Monday, Thursday, November. 00:06:10.415 --> 00:06:11.695 Like, no. It's Maundy, Thurs 00:06:11.855 --> 00:06:12.895 Maundy, Thursday. 00:06:13.030 --> 00:06:15.430 I don't know why it is that way, but you're saying it wrong. 00:06:15.430 --> 00:06:45.150 It's different vowels, different word. Anyways, and so Jesus kind of moved into kind of what I would just say a more apocalyptic prophecy end times kind of thing. So it's like, here's what is going to happen at the end. So we've moved from this thing that is happening in the kingdom now and what it means to be a part of the kingdom and how important it is to be a part of the kingdom to really just kind of more talking about how's the world gonna end. Okay? 00:06:45.310 --> 00:06:47.150 So in Matthew chapter 20 00:06:47.150 --> 00:06:52.190 Is it how the world's gonna end or how you're gonna end? How the world's gonna end A or you're gonna 00:06:52.910 --> 00:07:20.210 lot of world's gonna end and kind of what's gonna happen. The temple is gonna be destroyed, and you're and and and this yeah. There's just gonna be a lot of bad things talking about the antichrist. I mean, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and then the then will appear in the then then will appear the sign of the the Son of Man in heaven, and then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they I mean, there's just you know? But about that day or hour, no one knows. 00:07:20.210 --> 00:07:30.295 I mean, so we're he's talking about end times. K. And now we're going to switch from kind of that generalized end times talk to what you just said, which is 00:07:30.775 --> 00:07:31.655 My end. 00:07:32.215 --> 00:08:05.165 Kind of If what you need be all of what I said is true, if I'm going to die, come back to life, and then something's going to happen, and then in the end I'm coming back and it's going to be huge, what do you need to be about in the interim? Yeah. So Jesus says, the timeframe of what He's talking about, right? I've gone, I've left, now you have the stewardship. When I come back, this is what I expect to find. 00:08:06.690 --> 00:08:25.785 Matthew chapter 25 verse one. At that time, the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 00:08:25.785 --> 00:08:43.910 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. At midnight, the cry rang out. Here's the bridegroom come out to meet him. Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish one said to the wise, give us some of your oil, our lamps are going out. 00:08:44.150 --> 00:09:02.335 No, they replied, they may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves. But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the buy the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the doors were shut. Later, the others also came. 00:09:02.335 --> 00:09:16.130 Lord, Lord, they said, open the door for us. But he replied, truly I tell you, I don't know you. Therefore, keep watch because you do not know the day or the hour. 00:09:18.145 --> 00:09:33.090 Okay. Before we get too deep in this, have some cultural questions. K. So there would be a lot of brides for one bridegroom. Is that the picture, or is it just like there's a lot of grooms coming, and there's a lot of brides, I can go find them. 00:09:33.890 --> 00:09:52.535 Right. It is a very weird story, but none of none of the virgins are the bride. Bride is not mentioned. I think the best equivalent for us would be bridal party. And the wedding starts when the groom gets there. 00:09:52.775 --> 00:10:15.120 And maybe he has been delayed. Okay. Well, okay, now it's time for the party to start. Bridegroom has finally made it, and so now all the wedding attendants are like, Okay, well let's join up with him so now we can go to the party. So the idea here is that the party probably should have started somewhere around six But something happened, right? 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:33.730 I would imagine that, especially if you're coming from another town, that timeliness would be a real struggle in a first And century world, so it would not be unusual for someone to be late. Would not be unusual for someone to be several hours late. 00:10:33.730 --> 00:10:35.170 That would be crazy, but okay. 00:10:35.170 --> 00:10:39.970 And so we're waiting up for him. And so we're still waiting for 00:10:40.130 --> 00:10:41.810 So the bride is not a part of the story. 00:10:41.810 --> 00:10:43.515 The bride is not a part of the 00:10:43.515 --> 00:10:43.995 story. So 00:10:43.995 --> 00:11:09.610 interesting, The way that I believe that this story is constructed is he's gathering the wedding party then to go to where the bride is. And that won't happen until the bridegroom is also there. Right, the bridegroom has to arrive, gather the wedding party, go to where the bride is, and the day of celebration and the wedding and all the things, all the stuff can now begin. And it begins as soon as he gets into town. 00:11:09.610 --> 00:11:19.085 This story is totally different now in my mind. I thought these were like Cinderella. Like, all these people were going to They had to make it there for the single bachelor that 00:11:20.845 --> 00:11:27.900 The most dramatic rose ceremony ever. Seriously. The bridegroom rejects five virgins. That's what it That's sounded 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:37.180 what it like. So the bridesmaids were eager they're 00:11:37.340 --> 00:11:39.260 Yeah, were, they were, they're excited. 00:11:39.260 --> 00:11:41.785 100%. So the bridemaids And are trying to make it all 00:11:42.105 --> 00:12:02.640 delaying, he and a few things happen that you need to kind of take note of. All believed that the bridegroom was coming. They all had made at least some sort of preparation. Yes. They all fell asleep 00:12:03.040 --> 00:12:03.920 waiting Yeah. For 00:12:06.560 --> 00:12:16.515 then when he did finally come, they were ready. Yeah. To whatever degree. But then five of them were not ready. Yeah. 00:12:16.515 --> 00:12:43.315 Five of them were ready, five of them weren't. Five of them had not adequately prepared for the realistic scenario of he is going to be delayed. And so as far as what determines whether or not one makes it all the way to the party isn't, well, everyone who believes he's coming back makes it to the party. People who fall asleep can't make it to the party. 00:12:44.675 --> 00:12:45.635 They all slept. 00:12:45.635 --> 00:12:55.370 They all fell asleep. They all believed. They all fell asleep. But there was a group, half of them were prepared. 00:12:55.770 --> 00:13:09.815 So in my mind, there's like a really far off party venue. And they're like, it's gonna take us X amount of time to get there. So let's run half of the way now. They get tired. They fall asleep in the field. 00:13:10.775 --> 00:13:25.150 And then they wake up the next day, and they have to run the rest of the way or the middle of the night, whatever. That's the picture that's in my mind. But they all went out, but then fell asleep somewhere on the journey, and then woke up and kept going. 00:13:25.230 --> 00:13:35.085 Well, the idea, I don't know if they're all together or, you know, probably a lot of them were. It was like they were in close enough proximity to each other. Like, Hey, 00:13:35.165 --> 00:13:35.885 give me some of your oil. 00:13:35.885 --> 00:14:00.770 I don't know that I will then have enough. Which then just kind of gets there's parts of the thing that just kind of get culturally really confusing and distant for me because it's like, Well, he's here now, and I've got, you know, Okay, well, I've got the oil that I have. Or like, Okay, you're holding your lamp, I mean, can Just follow me. I'll just follow you, right? I mean Yes. 00:14:00.930 --> 00:14:16.345 And so, again, there's a point at which the story moves to, Okay, well that's just That's why it's a parable and not a telling of a real story. And then also, dude, you were like six hours late. 00:14:16.345 --> 00:14:19.380 Yeah, seriously. I feel like you could I do was 00:14:19.380 --> 00:14:24.820 just like twenty minutes behind you because I had to get some oil for the lamp, and now you're gonna be like, I don't even know who you are. 00:14:24.820 --> 00:14:26.900 Was like, dude. I've been waiting. 00:14:26.900 --> 00:14:30.515 We were all together. Give Give me a break. 00:14:30.515 --> 00:14:56.830 You could give like a personality test to people on this of like, how bothered would you be by the people who didn't pack their extra oil? Like, I would be the person that would be anxious for the people who didn't bring their oil the whole time because I would I would be prepared because that would stress me out and I wouldn't care enough to tell everybody else that they needed to pack extra oil, but I would be anxious falling asleep. But like, I don't have enough. They don't have enough. They're going to realize in the morning. 00:14:59.035 --> 00:15:29.385 Yeah, so basically what it is, is a realistic scenario that it just has some unrealistic components to it. But the unrealistic components to it are the ones that, like we've been talking about for a year now, the unrealistic components are the ones that we're supposed to kinda What is this representing? Okay, is this? So what is the difference between someone who is expecting him to come but isn't fully prepared for him to be delayed. 00:15:30.505 --> 00:15:45.320 I mean, like, those all seem like people who they well, I guess what you said earlier that, like, just being excited for him 00:15:45.320 --> 00:16:02.035 to come doesn't mean everybody makes it. It is everybody right now who has the theological belief that Jesus is coming back to use our vernacular, is everybody who believes in the second coming of Jesus going to go to heaven? 00:16:02.035 --> 00:16:05.075 Right. That's a little confusing. 00:16:05.075 --> 00:16:17.010 No? I mean, answer is no. I mean, you know, I mean, James says it in a different way. It's like, just because you believe in the one true God doesn't mean anything. Demons believe in the one true God. 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:26.815 Demons believe Jesus is coming back. I mean, they're they're aware. And so and James is calling everybody a demon or anything, 00:16:26.815 --> 00:16:30.095 but it's like a belief It's not a high bar. 00:16:30.335 --> 00:16:44.700 Belief that something is true Is not a hard thing to accomplish. Bar. Yeah. And even to some degree, they wanted it to happen. They had an affinity towards it. 00:16:44.700 --> 00:17:11.720 I want the bridegroom to come. But they were not personally prepared. And why didn't they share their oil or you can follow me with the lamp? So whatever this is that distinguishes one group from the other is the kind of thing that cannot be transferred and is not the kind of thing that can be shared. You and I both, I have 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:13.400 it, I so therefore we both have 00:17:14.360 --> 00:17:38.470 have it, I can give you some. So whatever it is, is a deeply personal thing. The way that will be determined if you are ready to enter into the final banquet is determined by a personal thing that you do that only applies to you and cannot be given or shared with someone else. 00:17:38.710 --> 00:17:59.735 And I think also before you were saying the girl coming to the gate and being like, You were six hours late and I just forgot to bring an extra thing. Like, how are you gonna shut me out when you're six hours late? But he could flip it around and be like, you had six hours Right. To find on the like, you knew for six hours you didn't have enough oil Right. To make it there. 00:17:59.735 --> 00:18:06.300 So, like, I don't know. Like, yeah, I guess it sucks, but also you had six hours. 00:18:06.780 --> 00:18:28.655 Yeah, and so, like, whatever, I knew this was going to happen, but I wasn't personally ready. I wasn't personally I knew it was coming, but I wasn't personally ready. So what is the equivalent of that? I know that Jesus is coming, but I am not ready. 00:18:29.750 --> 00:18:52.755 I mean, I guess that would be the I don't remember the exact parable, but we're talking about one where you can just believe or there's like an exact, like almost about face of like being an active soldier sounds weird, but we talked about it in one Parable Tour is, like, you can just be a soldier or you can be an activated soldier. 00:18:52.835 --> 00:18:53.315 Mhmm. 00:18:53.315 --> 00:19:06.110 And I feel like it could be easily a massive temptation to just be like, yep, I believe. Check. But you're not letting it infiltrate every area to where it's impacting every area of your life. 00:19:06.350 --> 00:19:40.750 I mean, ascent to facts and belief are two different things. I Jesus is coming, and Jesus is my Lord is two different things. Sometimes people can insert a works based theology into this parable, but I don't think it really fits. Again, it is a very personal, inward sort of thing that seems to be being described here. He doesn't come and evaluate them based on Intellectually, did you know this? 00:19:40.750 --> 00:20:10.235 Yeah, or how much they did. How big your present is, how nice your dress is, were you really ready for Okay, him to come what do I need to make sure that I'm in right standing with the bridegroom when he comes back is a personal faith and trust in him. Again, the personal aspect of it is what is is really kind of what he's I drawing out 00:20:10.795 --> 00:20:42.205 had a friend, and I know this is gonna sound like an extreme, but he was trying to differentiate the difference of just knowing something and believing in something to where he's like, if someone put a bomb on the bottom of your chair and you just knew it but you didn't believe it, you may not do very much, but if you knew and believed there was a bomb on your chair, there would be activity And going that is like, no, you have a belief, which whatever the action is, but there is reaction to there being a belief that you have. 00:20:42.685 --> 00:20:55.660 Yeah, I mean, to use more modern language, I mean, there's a phrase that we use, a nominal Christian, which has the idea of a Christian in name. 00:20:55.660 --> 00:20:56.300 Mhmm. 00:20:56.860 --> 00:21:07.900 I am not necessarily I'm not necessarily someone who deeply believes these things. But if you well, what religion are you? I'm a Christian. I'm a Christian. Mhmm. 00:21:07.900 --> 00:21:13.825 Are you a Christian? Yeah. I mean, I'm not I'm not Muslim. Mhmm. Right. 00:21:13.825 --> 00:21:16.465 Do you think Jesus is the son of God? Yeah. Sure. 00:21:16.625 --> 00:21:18.785 Yeah. But then you about Do 00:21:19.745 --> 00:21:32.800 you know Jesus is coming back? Makes sense. Mhmm. But it's not Yeah. Is It's not also real to the point to where it's like, He could come back here at any time. 00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:33.680 I 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:41.465 better make sure I've got enough oil for whenever it is that he comes back. He didn't say he would be here right at six. 00:21:42.425 --> 00:21:45.865 Be So here right better at live like you believe it could be any time. 00:21:45.865 --> 00:21:57.700 Right. I better make sure I've always got enough. I'm Okay, well, I'm running low on oil. If he came right now, I wouldn't be ready. I better go get some more oil. 00:21:57.700 --> 00:22:10.575 I better because I need to be ready. And so, like, you just think, we're talking about Pixar movies 00:22:10.975 --> 00:22:11.855 This episode. 00:22:11.935 --> 00:22:13.055 During the episode. 00:22:13.055 --> 00:22:14.495 Yeah. Yeah, I think so. 00:22:15.055 --> 00:22:17.375 Being Mr. Incredible going to his wedding? 00:22:17.375 --> 00:22:19.020 Yeah. Yeah. 00:22:19.020 --> 00:22:20.220 I've still got time. 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:22.460 I love that movie so much. 00:22:22.460 --> 00:22:26.860 It's great. It is the best one as far as I'm concerned. 00:22:26.860 --> 00:22:27.820 Really? Yeah. 00:22:27.820 --> 00:22:46.810 Wow. Anyways, I've still got time. I think people like I still currently want to be in charge of my life, and Christian adjacent is pretty good. I think God will look favorably upon Christian adjacent. I am favorable towards Christianity. 00:22:46.890 --> 00:23:06.885 I'm favorable towards God. And I think too many of us are settling for that. And I think this is what this parable is trying to draw out. Not a, again, we just want be careful here, not a am I good enough to be accepted, am I Do I fully believe it? Do I really 00:23:06.885 --> 00:23:38.745 Do I feel really believe it? It kind of reminds me of the difference between the person who, not bringing this into, like, a topic of hold on, full on discussion, but, like, the person that believes is in climate crisis or, like, different things like that, and they just, like, talk about it, and then you meet the person that, like, they only use recycled paper. You may eat dinner with them and you're like, this tastes kind of weird, and you're like, well, they Right. They believe in it. Towards like, that person looks different because they don't it's not just a talking point to them. 00:23:38.745 --> 00:23:39.065 Right. 00:23:39.065 --> 00:23:41.625 They believe it and their life has changed because of it. 00:23:42.030 --> 00:23:49.870 Yeah, fly in a private plane and I live on a beachfront house. Yeah, you can believe it all you want. Yeah, But I believe, okay, 00:23:49.870 --> 00:23:55.310 well. Do you? Yeah. Yeah. But like, that's the difference in like, yeah, I just say it. 00:23:55.985 --> 00:23:59.985 Right. I believe in it. It is the appropriate thing to believe. 00:23:59.985 --> 00:24:07.505 Yeah. And then there's the person that's like, well, their life doesn't look very glamorous, but it is clear. Right. They believe in that big time. Right. 00:24:07.585 --> 00:24:15.730 They are living in such a way, they are not driving a big diesel guzzling No. 00:24:16.370 --> 00:24:17.810 They're probably riding their bike. 00:24:17.810 --> 00:24:19.810 Yeah. Or at a minimum one of those 00:24:20.450 --> 00:24:23.170 Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. 00:24:24.770 --> 00:24:33.065 I get why they do that, but like, a little startling. It scares me a little bit. Yeah. Oh, that's just a It's one of those. It's an electric car. 00:24:33.065 --> 00:24:33.385 Mhmm. 00:24:33.385 --> 00:25:13.330 Well, Fiat that they're trying to but, yeah, I think that is, like, it's interesting because I feel like most people don't like, there's a lot of different categories like climate or other things where you could say, well, they're not really they're not walking the walk. Just talking the talk, But we don't talk a ton about walking the walk. It feels more sensitive to say. But I guess you brought up that a lot of people could think that it's works based legalism, but it's like, there just is a way that your life looks when you're living off of a belief. 00:25:13.970 --> 00:25:26.605 Right. And this transitions next is a parable that we've already done. This spills this parable spills directly into Matthew's telling of the parable of the talents. 00:25:26.925 --> 00:25:30.605 Oh, the bags of gold. I like that title better. 00:25:31.085 --> 00:25:32.365 Yeah. It makes more sense. 00:25:32.365 --> 00:25:32.845 It does. 00:25:33.260 --> 00:26:30.990 It is unfortunate for us that the name of their weight by which they measure quantities of gold is an English word we have a completely different meaning for. Yeah, so again, it's like he's spilling out there, okay, you know, you need to have this personal belief that I am committed to this, and here, furthermore, is how it's going to play out. I'm giving you this, and so you put your faith and your trust in Me, and you're going to do something with your life. You're going to be the kind of person who genuinely believes, and so there's a way that you are going to live your life, which we talked about. And it's even just put the money in the bank so you can get interest from it, you've at least understood that you have a stewardship to which I'm going to 00:26:30.990 --> 00:26:33.230 ask you Then you're going to live in a certain way. 00:26:33.310 --> 00:26:48.895 You're going to live a certain way if you are going to be someone who has genuinely prepared the lamp of your heart, Abigail. Is there oil, is there sufficient oil in the lamp of your heart, Abigail? Let's hope. That's right there. 00:26:51.855 --> 00:26:56.990 Do you feel like this is one that is tougher for people to swallow? 00:26:56.990 --> 00:27:06.030 I think people don't understand it. Okay. I think you are the perfect example. What? Virgins? 00:27:06.030 --> 00:27:08.935 What? Why does he need 10? 00:27:09.335 --> 00:27:10.855 Well, last episode I don't think they 00:27:10.855 --> 00:27:12.135 were polygamous at this point. 00:27:12.135 --> 00:27:14.535 It feels So that's not crazy that I 00:27:14.535 --> 00:27:27.790 thought It feels polygamous. And so because I don't understand the setup, I can't understand the parable, and I just get with, all I'm kind of left with is the very simplistic, but still, I guess, 00:27:28.190 --> 00:27:45.605 close enough. Be ready. Yeah. But do you think the concept behind it, whether it's talking through the parable or if you're doing a totally different sermon or anything on it of like, we're not promoting legalism, but there is a level of you need to live on what you believe. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:28:00.480 Yeah. I mean, the balance between Ephesians two and the book of James, right? It is by grace you've been saved through faith, not of yourselves, not as a result of works, no one can boast. Right? And then James talking about faith without works is not anything at all. 00:28:01.365 --> 00:28:43.470 I mean, there is a genuineness to your faith that is going to manifest itself in some sort of way is different than I'm going to be judged exclusively based on how my life manifests. And again, this is the thing that we've talked about from the very beginning. I don't know if we've talked about it much recently, like Jesus being that kind of theological bridge between an Old Testament understanding. Their misunderstanding of what God was communicating them in the Old Testament to this new thing that Paul is gonna be able to fully explain post crucifixion, resurrection, and Pentecost, you know, and Jesus kind of helping us 00:28:43.630 --> 00:28:46.510 Understand. Live and start to transition. 00:28:46.510 --> 00:29:04.765 I mean, doesn't say here, and let me tell you what oil is. Oil is you believe that my death on the cross is gonna be the forgiveness of your sins and that my resurrection will prove that I have conquered death. I'm sorry, your what and your who and your 00:29:04.765 --> 00:29:05.885 I don't know what you're talking about. 00:29:05.885 --> 00:29:41.890 Don't know what you're talking about. But like, after that, now we can go back and see, Oh, okay. I can fill in the blanks now of what entrance into the kingdom looks like in a post resurrection world that I couldn't fully understand here, but at a minimum I understand nominal believism isn't enough, and even doing stuff isn't enough. There's something deeper and more personal that he's wanting from me. Oh. 00:29:41.890 --> 00:29:54.595 Oh. Yeah. And, uh-oh. He sent his son and they killed him. And he went away he went away and came back. 00:29:54.995 --> 00:30:23.715 He was like on a journey, like, Okay, okay, okay. Starting to put the pieces together. But He is building that bridge. He is getting us, you know, when we are two days out from, you know, the Last Supper and three days out from the crucifixion, and He's getting us all the way there to where, you know, the shock of Jesus being murdered is going to be like, What? And then the resurrection will be like, What? 00:30:23.715 --> 00:30:53.295 And then He's going to spend a month with them trying to explain, and they're going be like, Ah, I don't know. And then the Holy Spirit comes and all of sudden it starts to click. Now they start to write all this down, and again, now Matthew's putting it in a particular order to where someone who reads it, now it's been a couple of decades since Jesus came back to life, you read it and see and understand it differently than a random person being in there. Was like, okay, so the the son is gonna do what? Yeah. 00:30:53.295 --> 00:31:06.320 And you're gonna and who's the are you the son of man? And what does that mean? What does that mean? Why did he let those women into the party? Mhmm. 00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:24.215 Like, they didn't have enough what? Like like, to them, but it's, like, they're holding on to it. And, again, I think the Holy Spirit count like, after those three significant events, crucifixion, resurrection, Pentecost, I I would just imagine against, like like, your ear popping 00:31:24.615 --> 00:31:24.935 Mhmm. 00:31:24.935 --> 00:31:30.530 When the plane lands. You're like oh. Yeah. Oh. Oh. 00:31:30.530 --> 00:31:39.490 But he's building the bridge to help us get there. Okay. We got dose more. 00:31:39.925 --> 00:31:46.245 Though Uh-oh. The virgins were not what I thought they were, all that jazz, I still really like this parable. 00:31:46.485 --> 00:31:47.765 It's wild. 00:31:48.085 --> 00:31:52.805 The main part of what I understood from the sermon I listened to long ago is still there. 00:31:53.480 --> 00:32:17.185 And the interesting thing about it too, and this is for the Jesus is a bro people, he looked people in the eye and said, I don't know you. And they waited until Jesus actually came back, Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll get my heart out. Mm-mm. No. Nope. 00:32:17.185 --> 00:32:17.665 Too late. 00:32:18.320 --> 00:32:19.760 But that's alright. Yes. 00:32:19.760 --> 00:32:30.880 The idea is that there will be some people who have an affinity towards Jesus who will not make it in, and there is a point when it is too late. 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:31.120 Yeah. 00:32:31.535 --> 00:32:50.830 And so the Christian Universalist idea that God was still pursuing people after you know, kind of like we talked about in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man. And the rich man. Like, we got another one here. There is a point where it will be too late. Yeah. 00:32:51.630 --> 00:33:00.145 And there will be people that have a positive feeling towards Jesus that will ultimately be rejected. Mhmm. 00:33:00.545 --> 00:33:20.560 See, that's why I was wondering if you feel like this is a harder to receive topic. Because like the ones we did last week and the week before was like, you yourself still have an option, which this is calling people in the same way. Right. Like, be ready. Is a warning that 00:33:20.560 --> 00:33:42.880 is you can setting an end time, but he's also saying, from your perspective, it is going to be delayed. It's not tomorrow. It's not going be the very next day. Don't wait for it next month. Live your life, and it's going to be so long that you would run out of a normal amount of oil and you're going to fall asleep. 00:33:43.680 --> 00:34:14.480 But nonetheless, be ready. And so, again, it's got but even in that, there's a lot of implied grace there that he's going to come back and it's going to be the end, but he's going to be way more patient and wait a lot longer than you think he would. And even people who fall asleep Still can. Can still get there as long as you have done this to very personal make your heart ready. Yeah. 00:34:14.640 --> 00:34:17.040 So we got a dose more after this. 00:34:17.040 --> 00:34:19.040 Let's do it. That's it? 00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:19.760 Let's do two more. 00:34:20.375 --> 00:34:20.855 Okay. 00:34:20.855 --> 00:34:23.175 And then a third one where we just I kind of put a bow on 00:34:23.575 --> 00:34:23.975 like that. 00:34:23.975 --> 00:34:34.455 So you get ready for that, because that's when you shine. We haven't done these in I so miss the episodes. I miss where you just start peppering me with questions. Yeah. 00:34:34.770 --> 00:34:42.530 People sometimes ask me what prep I do for these episodes, and I tell them I get dressed, and then I show up. 00:34:42.530 --> 00:34:44.050 You set up all the equipment. 00:34:44.050 --> 00:34:45.170 I do, I do You set up 00:34:45.170 --> 00:34:45.810 all the equipment. 00:34:45.810 --> 00:34:51.365 But my brain is not coming in with anything. Those episodes, I come in with a little more. 00:34:51.365 --> 00:35:04.400 Yeah, yeah, For sure. Well, thank you as always for setting up the equipment and having the brain that is maybe not prepped, but is Ready to receive. Ready. Ready. Yes. 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:27.025 I've got enough oil. Thank you for joining us, and ask you to just be with us these next few weeks as we wrap up this year long series on the parables. And again, thank you for being with us. Thank you for listening to the Cultivate podcast. Our hope is that you are taking steps to go deeper in your faith, that you are asking big questions, and you're looking for answers. 00:35:27.450 --> 00:35:38.410 We hope that we can be a resource for you through our podcast and any other way that we can help you. You can find all our episodes anywhere that you can find podcasts, including YouTube. And, again, thank you so much for joining us.