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Maarten!

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Hoi

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Lisa.

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Zeg,

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las

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vanochtend

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een

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interview

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met

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een

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vrouw

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uit

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Syrië.

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Echt

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een

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indrukwekkend

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verhaal

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over

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ze

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hier

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een

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nieuw

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leven

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heeft

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opgebouwd.

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ja?

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Dat

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zijn

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vaak

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intense

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verhalen.

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Dan

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besef

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pas

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echt

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wat

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mensen

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allemaal

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meemaken.

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Ja

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precies!

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Het

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zette

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me

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wel

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weer

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denken

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over

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alles

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wat

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de

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laatste

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tijd

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hebben

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besproken.

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Het

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een

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enorm

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lang

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traject.

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Eerst

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die

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onzekerheid

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over

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verblijfsvergunning...

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Precies.

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Je

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zit

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maanden,

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soms

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jaren,

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in

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een

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asielzoekerscentrum

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weet

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gewoon

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niet

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waar

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aan

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toe

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bent.

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Lijkt

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me

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slopend.

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ook.

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als

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dan

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eindelijk

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die

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vergunning

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hebt,

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begint

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het

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pas.

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moet

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je

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ineens

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alles

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leren

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over

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Nederlandse

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maatschappij.

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Oh

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wacht,

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dan

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komt

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die

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hele

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inburgering.

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Daar

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hadden

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we

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het

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eerder

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over.

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Dat

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toch

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die

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verplichte

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cursus

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dat

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examen?

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Ja,

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precies.

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Op

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mijn

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school

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zien

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dat

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bij

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de

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ouders

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van

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nieuwe

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leerlingen.

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Voor

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hen

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taal

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leren

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vaak

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de

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allereerste

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grootste

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horde.

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Logisch.

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Zonder

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de

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taal

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participatie

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de

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samenleving

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bijna

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onmogelijk.

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Hoe

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kun

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nou

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een

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praatje

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maken

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met

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de

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buren

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of

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leraar

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van

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kind

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begrijpen?

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Inderdaad.

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Daarom

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dat

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inburgeringsexamen

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zo'n

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belangrijk,

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maar

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tegelijkertijd

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stressvol

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moment.

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moet

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een

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bepaald

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taalniveau

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halen

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slagen.

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het

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meer

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dan

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alleen

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de

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taal,

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toch?

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Je

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hebt

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KNM,

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Kennis

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Nederlandse

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Maatschappij.

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Klopt.

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Daarin

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leren

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overheid,

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geschiedenis,

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de

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omgangsvormen...

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Eigenlijk

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alles

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nodig

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hebt

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hier

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functioneren.

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Soms

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vraag

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zelf

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voor

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examen

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zou

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slagen.

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Haha,

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ja,

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dat

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dacht

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ook!

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Weet

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jij

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precies

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hoe

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Tweede

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Kamer

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werkt?

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Lekker

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belangrijk

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voor

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dagelijks

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leven

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misschien

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niet

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altijd,

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maar

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wel

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systeem

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snappen.

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Nou

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ja,

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zelfredzaam

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wordt.

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En

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ondertussen

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moet

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nog

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huis

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vinden,

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inschrijven

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bij

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gemeente,

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zorgverzekering

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afsluiten...

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Pfoe,

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die

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bureaucratie.

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Soms

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voor

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ons

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ingewikkeld,

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laat

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staan

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taal

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nog

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niet

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perfect

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spreekt

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het

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hele

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systeem

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nieuw

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voor

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is.

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Precies.

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Gelukkig

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zijn

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wel

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veel

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organisaties

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vrijwilligers

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die

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daarbij

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helpen.

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Zonder

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die

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hulp

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zouden

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veel

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mensen

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verdwalen

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de

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regels.

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Die

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vrouw

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doei!