WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.170 --> 00:00:01.120 Rupert Isaacson: Thanks for joining us. 00:00:01.190 --> 00:00:03.230 Welcome to Live Free, Ride Free. 00:00:03.410 --> 00:00:06.810 I'm your host, Rupert Isaacson, New York Times bestselling author of 00:00:06.830 --> 00:00:08.389 The Horseboy and The Long Ride Home. 00:00:08.450 --> 00:00:13.089 Before I jump in with today's guest, I want to say a huge thank you to you, our 00:00:13.089 --> 00:00:14.989 audience, for helping to make this happen. 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:15.949 I have a request. 00:00:16.219 --> 00:00:19.750 If you like what we do here, please give it a thumbs up, 00:00:19.799 --> 00:00:22.380 like, subscribe, tell a friend. 00:00:22.770 --> 00:00:24.910 It really, really helps us to make the pro. 00:00:24.910 --> 00:00:28.930 To find out about our certification courses, online video libraries, 00:00:29.435 --> 00:00:33.325 books, and other courses, please go to rupertisaacson.com. 00:00:34.894 --> 00:00:36.125 So now let's jump in. 00:00:36.895 --> 00:00:40.255 In this episode, you're gonna see something absolutely unprecedented. 00:00:40.255 --> 00:00:45.205 It's a girl, Lina, who has been nonverbal until quite recently, who has become 00:00:45.205 --> 00:00:50.395 verbal and communicative through a letter board, and you're gonna see her spelling 00:00:50.455 --> 00:00:56.815 out the letters both verbally and with her finger on her letter board, and putting 00:00:56.815 --> 00:01:01.585 together the sentences to answer my podcast questions, which is extraordinary. 00:01:01.945 --> 00:01:05.035 As you can imagine, this is gonna be a slightly laborious 00:01:05.035 --> 00:01:06.055 process at the beginning. 00:01:06.205 --> 00:01:10.855 So the first time she answers me, we will start off with the first one where 00:01:10.855 --> 00:01:14.665 we actually let her spell it all out laboriously, but in the inter interest 00:01:14.665 --> 00:01:17.845 of brevity Thereafter, we will cut ahead. 00:01:18.325 --> 00:01:20.065 Through that process to her answer. 00:01:20.485 --> 00:01:23.815 Otherwise obviously it'll take a very long time to listen to, but it is absolutely 00:01:23.815 --> 00:01:27.805 extraordinary and if anybody wants to listen to, listen to or see the full uncut 00:01:27.805 --> 00:01:29.965 version, we will put that up somewhere. 00:01:30.065 --> 00:01:33.395 So strapping guys, because this is something frankly I 00:01:33.395 --> 00:01:34.715 have never experienced before. 00:01:34.985 --> 00:01:38.115 Someone going from nonverbal to verbal in this way it's 00:01:38.175 --> 00:01:39.585 something incredibly beautiful. 00:01:39.836 --> 00:01:41.586 Welcome back to Live Free, ride Free. 00:01:41.636 --> 00:01:44.986 I have a very, very old friend and dear friend Helena Hjalmarsson here. 00:01:44.986 --> 00:01:45.956 Mm-hmm. 00:01:46.336 --> 00:01:49.956 And her daughter Lina, who I've also known from time. 00:01:50.526 --> 00:01:54.846 Those of you who know me and my story know that I'm an autism dad. 00:01:55.246 --> 00:02:00.626 And that in the early years of my journey with my son Rowan he was nonverbal. 00:02:01.586 --> 00:02:07.676 And this changed through interactions with horses and nature and so forth. 00:02:08.376 --> 00:02:12.566 HeLina has been one of my heroes for a long time. 00:02:13.046 --> 00:02:14.906 Swedish, living in New York. 00:02:15.376 --> 00:02:21.456 Autism mom and Lina, her daughter also we're so honored to have 00:02:21.456 --> 00:02:24.396 with us have been a team f. 00:02:24.996 --> 00:02:26.256 And have gone through. 00:02:27.366 --> 00:02:30.181 You guys have gone to Hallenbeck, you know, and, and yet here you're, 00:02:30.561 --> 00:02:35.136 and yet, and listen, lads, listeners, these guys really have gone. 00:02:37.026 --> 00:02:38.856 There's no, there's no, there's no. 00:02:40.566 --> 00:02:44.856 So the fact that they're sitting here glowing and smiling in upstate my toast. 00:02:45.456 --> 00:02:46.836 So I'm gonna, yes. 00:02:47.346 --> 00:02:51.576 I'm gonna ask you guys to introduce who you are, what you do, how you 00:02:52.326 --> 00:02:56.406 came to New York, how you came to this adventure, where you are now. 00:02:56.616 --> 00:02:57.786 So over to you. 00:02:57.836 --> 00:03:00.806 Helena Hjalmarsson: JL what is I talk about in toast? 00:03:00.806 --> 00:03:01.106 On? 00:03:01.111 --> 00:03:01.411 Mm-hmm. 00:03:01.946 --> 00:03:03.571 DY mm-hmm. 00:03:04.196 --> 00:03:04.766 Day. 00:03:05.216 --> 00:03:12.206 MD, day L rig, Uhhuh a rig, horse, and toast. 00:03:12.206 --> 00:03:12.806 M Yeah. 00:03:12.926 --> 00:03:13.136 Mm-hmm. 00:03:14.336 --> 00:03:16.766 Y Wrigley d Uhhuh. 00:03:16.826 --> 00:03:17.126 Really? 00:03:17.126 --> 00:03:18.206 That's what had him toe down. 00:03:18.326 --> 00:03:18.776 I see. 00:03:19.016 --> 00:03:25.256 C ni, TDD excited back in toe stem, O to, mm-hmm. 00:03:26.216 --> 00:03:33.866 B, D to B-H-D-R-D-I am already rly. 00:03:33.866 --> 00:03:35.066 Excited to be here. 00:03:36.236 --> 00:03:37.046 Rupert Isaacson: Thank you so much. 00:03:37.046 --> 00:03:43.916 Well, the, the fact that I'm, you here, Lina speaking off the, the letter 00:03:43.916 --> 00:03:49.106 board is something incredible because in my past interactions with you we 00:03:49.106 --> 00:03:52.196 haven't been able to have this kind of verbal contact, so I've had to guess 00:03:52.376 --> 00:03:54.046 switch on if I'm getting it right. 00:03:54.376 --> 00:03:57.076 So at this is, it's amazing. 00:03:57.256 --> 00:04:02.936 At what point did this ability to communicate through the letter 00:04:02.936 --> 00:04:04.766 board really start for you? 00:04:06.991 --> 00:04:07.111 Helena Hjalmarsson: I. 00:04:08.696 --> 00:04:13.646 RD Day LY Iray for him. 00:04:13.646 --> 00:04:15.266 Toast on it really was S. 00:04:15.271 --> 00:04:15.551 Mm-hmm. 00:04:16.631 --> 00:04:20.636 Day A L do NG. 00:04:20.636 --> 00:04:25.351 Long day Uhhuh, ND, and, and some toast on. 00:04:25.351 --> 00:04:25.711 Mm-hmm. 00:04:26.371 --> 00:04:28.421 And D. 00:04:28.796 --> 00:04:29.156 Mm-hmm. 00:04:32.336 --> 00:04:33.056 X, yeah. 00:04:34.616 --> 00:04:35.486 C, right? 00:04:37.256 --> 00:04:38.186 U, yeah. 00:04:38.996 --> 00:04:40.376 T nine. 00:04:40.376 --> 00:04:40.736 Mm-hmm. 00:04:43.321 --> 00:04:43.441 D. 00:04:44.546 --> 00:04:44.636 Yep. 00:04:44.666 --> 00:04:45.326 Pick it up a little. 00:04:45.326 --> 00:04:45.866 T. 00:04:45.926 --> 00:04:46.226 Yes. 00:04:46.231 --> 00:04:46.481 You got it. 00:04:46.481 --> 00:04:46.761 Nine. 00:04:46.761 --> 00:04:47.041 Mm-hmm. 00:04:47.441 --> 00:04:48.161 NG. 00:04:48.271 --> 00:04:48.561 Yeah. 00:04:50.021 --> 00:04:50.141 P. 00:04:50.321 --> 00:04:50.741 You got it. 00:04:50.966 --> 00:04:51.446 R. 00:04:51.446 --> 00:04:51.536 Mm-hmm. 00:04:51.866 --> 00:04:52.286 O. 00:04:52.286 --> 00:04:52.296 Mm-hmm. 00:04:52.341 --> 00:04:52.621 Mm-hmm. 00:04:52.861 --> 00:04:52.981 D. 00:04:53.576 --> 00:04:54.026 D. 00:04:54.176 --> 00:04:54.506 Yeah. 00:04:55.261 --> 00:04:55.301 S. 00:04:56.101 --> 00:04:56.141 S. 00:04:56.141 --> 00:04:56.421 Yeah. 00:04:56.786 --> 00:04:59.876 It really was a long and excruciating process. 00:05:01.766 --> 00:05:07.556 Rupert Isaacson: Can you tell us when it began and what were the main challenges? 00:05:07.961 --> 00:05:08.741 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yes. 00:05:09.791 --> 00:05:14.381 Na nan s no, I real one, Yeah. 00:05:15.131 --> 00:05:19.951 LE in so many ways, I mastered the impossible, and it 00:05:19.951 --> 00:05:21.961 really did feel impossible. 00:05:21.961 --> 00:05:25.381 And, and, and it was very hard for you to even sit and Yes. 00:05:25.381 --> 00:05:28.051 You know, it was pretty dramatic session. 00:05:28.051 --> 00:05:28.351 Yes. 00:05:28.471 --> 00:05:28.681 Yeah. 00:05:28.956 --> 00:05:32.501 Rupert Isaacson: What made you persevere with, with it, Lina? 00:05:32.611 --> 00:05:32.671 Yeah. 00:05:32.671 --> 00:05:34.501 Why not just stay inside your world? 00:05:34.501 --> 00:05:35.941 Why not just stay inside your bubble? 00:05:36.151 --> 00:05:38.251 Why go through this excruciating process? 00:05:38.386 --> 00:05:38.606 Yes. 00:05:39.066 --> 00:05:39.486 Helena Hjalmarsson: Mm-hmm. 00:05:40.396 --> 00:05:40.616 Yes. 00:05:41.036 --> 00:05:42.296 Na n yeah. 00:05:42.816 --> 00:05:47.791 DLD in my life, I always endure the impossible. 00:05:49.621 --> 00:05:51.466 Na, uhhuh nan. 00:05:52.066 --> 00:05:55.276 NL uhhuh. 00:05:55.981 --> 00:05:56.431 D. 00:05:56.481 --> 00:05:56.771 Yeah. 00:05:58.426 --> 00:06:00.436 W uhhuh in learning how? 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In learning how to spell, I set hi on a cloud. 00:06:07.596 --> 00:06:08.736 Rupert Isaacson: Yes. 00:06:09.576 --> 00:06:14.796 So my question though is with it being so hard to learn how to do this, 00:06:15.486 --> 00:06:15.846 Helena Hjalmarsson: yeah. 00:06:15.846 --> 00:06:16.326 Why 00:06:16.326 --> 00:06:16.716 Rupert Isaacson: learn? 00:06:16.776 --> 00:06:18.606 Why not just stay inside your bubble? 00:06:19.206 --> 00:06:22.986 Helena Hjalmarsson: I think if, you know, sitting high on a cloud means happiness. 00:06:22.986 --> 00:06:23.346 Right? 00:06:23.586 --> 00:06:24.096 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 00:06:24.456 --> 00:06:27.396 Helena Hjalmarsson: So, you know, it just made her happy to be able to, okay. 00:06:27.906 --> 00:06:27.936 Mm. 00:06:29.661 --> 00:06:30.321 Rupert Isaacson: Fantastic. 00:06:30.531 --> 00:06:35.361 Alright, here's another question, Lina, before you were communicating 00:06:36.081 --> 00:06:37.911 through this letter board 00:06:38.241 --> 00:06:38.421 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:06:39.681 --> 00:06:42.171 Rupert Isaacson: Were you communicating in other ways? 00:06:43.011 --> 00:06:44.121 And if so, how? 00:06:44.751 --> 00:06:44.991 Helena Hjalmarsson: Mm. 00:06:45.141 --> 00:06:45.471 Okay. 00:06:48.686 --> 00:06:53.391 IN skip it in so many ways and go straight on. 00:06:53.396 --> 00:06:53.636 Mm-hmm. 00:06:53.876 --> 00:06:53.996 R, 00:06:54.171 --> 00:06:59.331 Lina Hjalmarsson: one be just having, having, have you, have you having, you, 00:06:59.751 --> 00:07:01.976 having you a, a slice of toast R mm-hmm. 00:07:02.031 --> 00:07:03.801 Helena Hjalmarsson: In real time I saw incredible opportunity. 00:07:03.801 --> 00:07:05.811 You wanna elaborate a little or No? 00:07:05.871 --> 00:07:06.171 No. 00:07:06.171 --> 00:07:06.381 Okay. 00:07:07.436 --> 00:07:07.726 Okay. 00:07:08.511 --> 00:07:08.901 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:07:09.381 --> 00:07:11.691 So do you. 00:07:12.411 --> 00:07:15.441 Still or also communicate in other ways. 00:07:16.221 --> 00:07:17.481 Helena Hjalmarsson: Oh, yeah, that's what the, that's right. 00:07:18.081 --> 00:07:18.171 Mm-hmm. 00:07:18.561 --> 00:07:19.341 Yes. 00:07:22.407 --> 00:07:27.587 So in seeing how a, a real way that I can say what I think in 00:07:27.587 --> 00:07:32.717 saturating all, other languages. 00:07:32.987 --> 00:07:36.827 You, you're gonna have to explain this, but virtue you, you have 00:07:36.827 --> 00:07:39.467 celebration to bake some morran mm-hmm. 00:07:39.527 --> 00:07:41.537 And saturating all other languages. 00:07:41.552 --> 00:07:44.142 Uhhuh, . Just like one, one language. 00:07:44.142 --> 00:07:44.302 Yes. 00:07:44.307 --> 00:07:44.427 Yeah. 00:07:44.757 --> 00:07:48.027 But so are you then saying that you did have other languages before? 00:07:48.837 --> 00:07:49.257 Okay. 00:07:49.257 --> 00:07:52.517 And I think that what Lu Rupert is interested in is, 00:07:53.882 --> 00:07:55.427 can you describe any of that? 00:07:56.612 --> 00:07:58.532 First one, or you don't wanna elaborate on that first? 00:07:58.532 --> 00:08:00.632 You wanna speak to more celebration on? 00:08:00.662 --> 00:08:00.902 Yeah. 00:08:01.172 --> 00:08:01.802 So what do you think? 00:08:02.102 --> 00:08:02.282 Ni? 00:08:02.447 --> 00:08:02.807 Mm-hmm. 00:08:04.267 --> 00:08:06.787 . I think Rupert loves the other languages. 00:08:10.367 --> 00:08:12.412 Rupert Isaacson: Well, that is very astute. 00:08:12.682 --> 00:08:12.802 Yeah. 00:08:13.612 --> 00:08:18.742 So I, I've come about it, I suppose the opposite. 00:08:20.332 --> 00:08:21.412 Helena Hjalmarsson: Hey, let's listen to what, so 00:08:22.467 --> 00:08:23.932 Rupert Isaacson: I, growing up, 00:08:24.082 --> 00:08:24.712 Helena Hjalmarsson: yes. 00:08:24.802 --> 00:08:29.842 Rupert Isaacson: Had a very private language with yes, one could say God 00:08:29.842 --> 00:08:32.092 or the divine as a very small boy. 00:08:32.842 --> 00:08:37.162 And I always to some degree could talk to animals and I could 00:08:37.162 --> 00:08:42.112 always, to some degree feel the landscape and nature talking to me. 00:08:42.472 --> 00:08:47.242 But as one gets older, this gets quieter. 00:08:47.932 --> 00:08:51.532 And then I fell in love with words and became a writer. 00:08:52.192 --> 00:08:54.082 And a word Smith you could say. 00:08:54.672 --> 00:09:00.102 And now increasingly I am, let's say I love both. 00:09:01.542 --> 00:09:03.312 I value the. 00:09:03.972 --> 00:09:07.512 Ability to speak as we're speaking in real time. 00:09:08.682 --> 00:09:12.792 And I'm, I know that you're also writing Lina and I, I'd love you to Yes. 00:09:12.792 --> 00:09:17.622 Share some of what you've been writing, but I am also interested Yes, of course. 00:09:17.622 --> 00:09:23.322 And I do love your right these other languages because I think if it's 00:09:23.322 --> 00:09:29.262 something that we need to know, and so people like you who have a, had access 00:09:29.262 --> 00:09:33.462 to those other languages in a very real way, I think have a lot to teach us. 00:09:33.562 --> 00:09:39.142 Because I think we all could access them if we, if we're shown how. 00:09:39.682 --> 00:09:44.662 And we probably know them when we're very, very small and 00:09:44.662 --> 00:09:47.122 then little by little, yeah. 00:09:47.152 --> 00:09:48.742 The noise of the world takes them away. 00:09:50.152 --> 00:09:51.232 So you are right. 00:09:51.232 --> 00:09:54.112 I do love those other languages, but I also love this language 00:09:54.112 --> 00:09:55.402 that we are sharing now. 00:09:55.642 --> 00:09:58.022 And I, and I really value your. 00:09:59.072 --> 00:10:02.822 Mastering of it in those other languages that you are so right. 00:10:02.822 --> 00:10:03.422 That I love. 00:10:05.402 --> 00:10:10.352 What can you share with us who are stuck in this type of language? 00:10:12.062 --> 00:10:16.712 What can we learn from those other languages? 00:10:16.712 --> 00:10:20.072 And can we learn, can we learn to speak them and hear them? 00:10:21.362 --> 00:10:22.652 We neurotypical people 00:10:23.432 --> 00:10:23.882 Helena Hjalmarsson: what you think? 00:10:23.882 --> 00:10:24.092 Yeah. 00:10:25.472 --> 00:10:25.622 Na, 00:10:26.462 --> 00:10:27.482 Rupert Isaacson: a very long question. 00:10:27.482 --> 00:10:27.602 Sorry. 00:10:31.082 --> 00:10:37.352 Helena Hjalmarsson: IS nan It is not for me to say if other 00:10:37.352 --> 00:10:39.752 people on the spectrum talks. 00:10:40.682 --> 00:10:41.912 In other languages. 00:10:41.942 --> 00:10:42.812 Yes. 00:10:42.812 --> 00:10:43.382 Rupert Isaacson: Right. 00:10:46.592 --> 00:10:49.257 Helena Hjalmarsson: NY . Thanks. 00:10:50.067 --> 00:10:50.547 H. 00:10:50.637 --> 00:10:50.727 Mm-hmm. 00:10:50.817 --> 00:10:51.507 D me. 00:10:51.627 --> 00:10:52.317 Did you get that? 00:10:53.217 --> 00:10:53.847 That can, can you put 00:10:54.507 --> 00:10:55.497 Rupert Isaacson: that together for me? 00:10:56.127 --> 00:10:56.427 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:10:56.577 --> 00:11:02.417 In the past I saw things about other people that was overwhelming to me. 00:11:03.192 --> 00:11:03.482 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:11:05.417 --> 00:11:09.432 Helena Hjalmarsson: I, I, ST, . I still see, see things about others. 00:11:09.432 --> 00:11:10.482 Emotion first. 00:11:10.482 --> 00:11:10.812 Yeah. 00:11:10.922 --> 00:11:13.232 . I still see things about others emotion. 00:11:13.232 --> 00:11:14.732 That is almost comical to me. 00:11:15.842 --> 00:11:16.382 Rupert Isaacson: Almost what? 00:11:16.382 --> 00:11:17.417 To me, comical. 00:11:21.069 --> 00:11:21.289 And 00:11:21.824 --> 00:11:22.484 Lina Hjalmarsson: can you tell us 00:11:22.484 --> 00:11:23.204 Helena Hjalmarsson: a little more about 00:11:23.204 --> 00:11:23.384 Lina Hjalmarsson: that? 00:11:24.059 --> 00:11:24.409 First? 00:11:25.214 --> 00:11:25.904 First, you want, 00:11:26.114 --> 00:11:28.244 Helena Hjalmarsson: you wanna be behind black, black chocolate arms. 00:11:28.339 --> 00:11:28.689 Uhhuh? 00:11:28.904 --> 00:11:29.804 Yes. 00:11:29.894 --> 00:11:29.984 Nine 00:11:30.734 --> 00:11:32.114 Lina Hjalmarsson: first you go, go first. 00:11:32.114 --> 00:11:33.164 You go in the red car. 00:11:33.614 --> 00:11:33.854 Helena Hjalmarsson: Mm-hmm. 00:11:33.854 --> 00:11:33.944 Lina Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:11:34.244 --> 00:11:34.784 I see 00:11:34.784 --> 00:11:36.854 Helena Hjalmarsson: how incredibly intensely. 00:11:36.854 --> 00:11:38.894 And then my, and then I lost you. 00:11:39.014 --> 00:11:42.704 NY my I see. 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:48.959 How incredibly intensely my not so rallied mom wants to help me. 00:11:49.619 --> 00:11:53.129 I, yeah, I, I, it's like a little bit, sort of hard to 00:11:53.129 --> 00:11:54.589 understand it, but I think. 00:11:54.964 --> 00:11:58.534 If I'm guessing you're saying I'm very intense and, and, 00:11:58.534 --> 00:11:59.764 and, and wanting to help you 00:12:02.464 --> 00:12:02.734 first. 00:12:03.964 --> 00:12:05.849 Rupert Isaacson: I'm not sure mothers have a choice in that. 00:12:06.169 --> 00:12:08.409 I think, I'm not sure parents have a choice in that. 00:12:08.489 --> 00:12:09.004 I think because 00:12:10.174 --> 00:12:10.504 Lina Hjalmarsson: become a 00:12:10.504 --> 00:12:14.404 Rupert Isaacson: parent, you have an intense desire to your child. 00:12:14.404 --> 00:12:14.854 What can you do? 00:12:14.854 --> 00:12:14.914 Yeah. 00:12:15.874 --> 00:12:16.204 Helena Hjalmarsson: Right. 00:12:16.209 --> 00:12:16.609 Exactly. 00:12:17.249 --> 00:12:19.949 DI . Yeah. 00:12:19.949 --> 00:12:24.189 So I guess you, you're saying that it's it's okay. 00:12:24.699 --> 00:12:25.539 She can see the love 00:12:25.539 --> 00:12:26.014 Rupert Isaacson: makes you feel love. 00:12:26.589 --> 00:12:26.829 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:12:27.284 --> 00:12:27.814 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, yeah. 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:28.089 Yeah. 00:12:28.089 --> 00:12:28.839 I follow that. 00:12:29.169 --> 00:12:29.259 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:12:30.099 --> 00:12:30.699 Rupert Isaacson: That's lovely. 00:12:31.209 --> 00:12:36.519 I, do you speak to or hear from nature? 00:12:37.374 --> 00:12:37.644 Helena Hjalmarsson: Na. 00:12:37.644 --> 00:12:42.724 I-S-D-D-C-H kind of forgot what you were saying. 00:12:42.724 --> 00:12:43.834 Can you say it in a simple way 00:12:44.404 --> 00:12:44.794 Lina Hjalmarsson: first? 00:12:44.794 --> 00:12:45.934 Your first Mt. 00:12:45.934 --> 00:12:46.889 Cuts in the same uhhuh, 00:12:49.204 --> 00:12:50.824 Helena Hjalmarsson: you're saying you wanna be on this planet? 00:12:50.884 --> 00:12:51.004 Yeah. 00:12:51.334 --> 00:12:52.264 And what else then? 00:12:54.184 --> 00:12:58.279 I, IS see incredible beauty in this. 00:12:58.369 --> 00:13:00.529 On you say on, but in this world. 00:13:00.529 --> 00:13:01.249 Mm-hmm. 00:13:01.624 --> 00:13:03.724 . . Other Dance Planets. 00:13:04.024 --> 00:13:06.214 Am I to realize real life? 00:13:06.214 --> 00:13:07.114 Yes. 00:13:07.174 --> 00:13:09.214 Or other planets? 00:13:09.424 --> 00:13:09.904 Yes. 00:13:09.904 --> 00:13:10.894 Do you have an answer to that? 00:13:13.219 --> 00:13:13.819 S. 00:13:13.819 --> 00:13:17.819 This PL day planet Uhhuh? 00:13:18.569 --> 00:13:19.499 Yes. 00:13:19.589 --> 00:13:22.069 And what do you think you're gonna be doing on this planet? 00:13:22.099 --> 00:13:22.279 What? 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:23.419 Why are you here? 00:13:25.549 --> 00:13:28.899 Nine I think I'm here to share my real feeling of love. 00:13:31.389 --> 00:13:32.649 . . So you are here. 00:13:32.709 --> 00:13:33.729 Are you taking a break? 00:13:35.469 --> 00:13:38.949 So she says, I think I'm here to share my real feeling of love. 00:13:38.949 --> 00:13:39.159 Very good. 00:13:40.059 --> 00:13:40.449 Rupert Isaacson: And then 00:13:40.449 --> 00:13:43.089 Helena Hjalmarsson: that's more, and I don't know where we're going with it. 00:13:44.184 --> 00:13:44.474 Rupert Isaacson: Well. 00:13:45.729 --> 00:13:48.729 In terms of that sharing, I know that Lina's been writing. 00:13:48.939 --> 00:13:56.049 So would it be all right to read and share some of Lina's writings 00:13:56.049 --> 00:13:57.189 that are sharing that love? 00:13:57.414 --> 00:13:59.979 Helena Hjalmarsson: What do you think would you be up to for that? 00:14:02.532 --> 00:14:03.012 no. 00:14:03.042 --> 00:14:05.382 Still wanna share needing to master the courage. 00:14:06.162 --> 00:14:06.462 Mm-hmm. 00:14:09.162 --> 00:14:09.792 The courage. 00:14:10.092 --> 00:14:11.382 T, no. 00:14:11.382 --> 00:14:11.442 Two 00:14:13.722 --> 00:14:16.422 . To align with this planet, I still need to wanna share, 00:14:16.932 --> 00:14:19.032 needing to align with this planet. 00:14:19.037 --> 00:14:19.137 Yeah. 00:14:19.142 --> 00:14:24.032 I think that Lina is saying is that, you know, you know, but she, she 00:14:24.032 --> 00:14:26.072 is, she knows all the other stuff. 00:14:26.102 --> 00:14:30.782 You know, she can, you know, she, she has traveled Yes. 00:14:31.712 --> 00:14:32.792 All around, you know? 00:14:33.272 --> 00:14:38.762 But that this is that she feels that the main task right now is to be on this 00:14:38.852 --> 00:14:47.582 planet, to be here to, to not necessarily dabble too much in the, in the mystical. 00:14:47.792 --> 00:14:52.922 That's for her, like, for me being in, in that other space, to have a con, 00:14:52.922 --> 00:14:55.112 that kind of connection that saves me. 00:14:55.682 --> 00:14:58.652 But for Lina, she feels like different, you know? 00:14:59.162 --> 00:14:59.552 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 00:15:00.092 --> 00:15:01.772 Helena Hjalmarsson: So it's so obvious to her, you know what I mean? 00:15:01.772 --> 00:15:06.272 It's so obvious that stuff that, you know, she, she wants to try to be here. 00:15:08.882 --> 00:15:10.022 Is that correct, Lina? 00:15:10.202 --> 00:15:10.832 Is that correct? 00:15:10.892 --> 00:15:10.952 Yeah. 00:15:11.492 --> 00:15:11.882 Okay. 00:15:12.602 --> 00:15:12.932 All right. 00:15:12.932 --> 00:15:14.402 Yeah, you can add something or is 00:15:16.442 --> 00:15:16.832 that good? 00:15:17.536 --> 00:15:19.816 Rupert Isaacson: in that case, would you, okay, when you're ready. 00:15:20.236 --> 00:15:20.446 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:15:20.716 --> 00:15:23.656 U the So true. 00:15:23.656 --> 00:15:23.986 Yeah. 00:15:25.411 --> 00:15:29.341 Can I share what Rashid where? 00:15:29.341 --> 00:15:30.121 Tam toothpaste? 00:15:30.121 --> 00:15:30.541 Yeah. 00:15:31.231 --> 00:15:31.831 Yes. 00:15:31.861 --> 00:15:37.321 Can I share with you that what, what, what we were talking to with Ma Mari about? 00:15:38.161 --> 00:15:38.491 Yeah. 00:15:38.521 --> 00:15:39.421 Would that be okay? 00:15:39.721 --> 00:15:40.321 Yes. 00:15:40.351 --> 00:15:40.801 Okay. 00:15:40.861 --> 00:15:43.591 Because you were like, what were, you were kind of very young. 00:15:44.221 --> 00:15:46.881 We met with this, this you, west African, you 00:15:46.881 --> 00:15:50.751 Lina Hjalmarsson: were brush with base arm mm-hmm. 00:15:51.676 --> 00:15:52.096 Helena Hjalmarsson: Shaman. 00:15:52.251 --> 00:15:52.671 Yes. 00:15:52.671 --> 00:15:58.871 And he was saying that, you know, Le Lina, you know, he was doing divinations 00:15:58.871 --> 00:16:00.781 for us for all of us individually. 00:16:00.961 --> 00:16:05.631 And saying that Lina, was just you know, she could read a book and go all 00:16:05.631 --> 00:16:09.831 the way back to when it was written and, you know, the intention before 00:16:09.831 --> 00:16:14.991 it was even written and sort of follow it back wherever, you know, and and 00:16:14.991 --> 00:16:20.026 just kind of, he, he was telling me also that, you know, you, you rash 00:16:20.031 --> 00:16:20.631 Lina Hjalmarsson: she wear. 00:16:20.811 --> 00:16:21.111 Yeah. 00:16:21.111 --> 00:16:23.001 I should just ask, wear yellow to paste. 00:16:23.031 --> 00:16:23.631 Yeah. 00:16:24.261 --> 00:16:24.531 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:16:24.531 --> 00:16:28.001 I should just ask as many questions as I possibly can to really try to 00:16:28.001 --> 00:16:31.661 learn as much as I can for as long as, you know, she is willing to share it. 00:16:32.651 --> 00:16:36.091 But I think there maybe there's like different Yes. 00:16:36.601 --> 00:16:41.731 You know, periods of life where now you're trying to get into college, you know, 00:16:41.731 --> 00:16:46.261 you're, you know, you, you know, and, and, and that, that, that he was also 00:16:46.261 --> 00:16:48.931 saying that Lina was initiated too early. 00:16:50.116 --> 00:16:55.546 And so it was too overwhelming, you know, not ready, not not, you know, 00:16:55.546 --> 00:17:00.626 and, and in fact Malema himself had that similar experience when he was little 00:17:00.626 --> 00:17:03.176 and he lived in the village of Dra dra. 00:17:04.331 --> 00:17:05.821 And he saw. 00:17:06.166 --> 00:17:11.436 One of these dwarfs in the bush and his mom said, oh no, you are never gonna 00:17:11.436 --> 00:17:13.266 come with me to pick up wood anymore. 00:17:13.266 --> 00:17:16.926 You know, you because he wasn't ready for it, you know? 00:17:17.076 --> 00:17:17.976 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:17:17.976 --> 00:17:18.066 And 00:17:18.306 --> 00:17:20.376 Helena Hjalmarsson: so le does, Lina wants to try to like really 00:17:20.376 --> 00:17:24.576 be here and not because at night she travels and she can't help it. 00:17:24.576 --> 00:17:29.676 But yeah, take a break, yell to yes. 00:17:29.766 --> 00:17:33.306 But for me, that's the only reason for living is to be 00:17:33.306 --> 00:17:34.566 connected with these things. 00:17:35.166 --> 00:17:38.046 Rupert Isaacson: Well, I suppose that for it, it's so interesting is we always want 00:17:38.046 --> 00:17:43.866 what you haven't got, you know, so people like you and me who are stuck here in the. 00:17:43.956 --> 00:17:44.046 Right. 00:17:46.446 --> 00:17:50.706 Other worldly experiences and alter sex of consciousness and spiritual experiences. 00:17:50.706 --> 00:17:50.766 Yeah. 00:17:51.066 --> 00:17:52.056 You know, we crave them. 00:17:52.061 --> 00:17:52.321 Yeah. 00:17:52.481 --> 00:17:53.256 I suppose, yeah. 00:17:53.261 --> 00:17:56.346 If that's your everyday reality, what you end up craving a 00:17:56.346 --> 00:17:59.681 cheeseburger and a and a Exactly. 00:18:00.141 --> 00:18:02.526 And a, and a and a heavy metal concert, you know? 00:18:02.526 --> 00:18:04.841 Right, exactly. 00:18:05.021 --> 00:18:08.676 And I suppose from a divine point of view, there's really no difference between the 00:18:08.676 --> 00:18:10.206 cheeseburger and the heavy metal concept. 00:18:10.656 --> 00:18:11.016 Lina Hjalmarsson: Exactly. 00:18:11.136 --> 00:18:12.201 Yeah, that's a good point. 00:18:12.501 --> 00:18:13.476 That's a great point. 00:18:13.806 --> 00:18:17.666 Rupert Isaacson: But all that said for those of us that are down, his 00:18:17.666 --> 00:18:21.091 suffering among the cheeseburgers and heavy metal concept Yeah, exactly. 00:18:21.566 --> 00:18:23.956 Which also include things like wars and yeah. 00:18:24.046 --> 00:18:25.276 Attacking our own planet. 00:18:25.876 --> 00:18:30.346 There's clearly a need, I think, for being 00:18:33.496 --> 00:18:36.471 led, I think not just open to, but led by the voices of people who. 00:18:38.086 --> 00:18:40.701 Are aligned with that mm-hmm. 00:18:41.061 --> 00:18:45.466 Spiritual realm that can then report back to us and, you know, basically maybe 00:18:45.466 --> 00:18:46.816 give us some quite clear instructions. 00:18:46.816 --> 00:18:46.846 Okay. 00:18:47.176 --> 00:18:51.086 When she comes, when she comes back I would love to hear perhaps 00:18:51.086 --> 00:18:55.016 what her instructions to we, the new typical people sort of 00:18:55.916 --> 00:18:56.156 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:18:56.336 --> 00:19:00.206 Rupert Isaacson: In the driving seat of the car as least you think we are. 00:19:00.716 --> 00:19:00.806 Yeah. 00:19:00.961 --> 00:19:01.121 Yeah. 00:19:01.121 --> 00:19:05.936 What, what, what her advice for us is, but also while she's out of the room, do 00:19:05.936 --> 00:19:10.016 you think she would mind if you read and shared some of what she's been writing? 00:19:10.496 --> 00:19:11.006 Helena Hjalmarsson: Not at all. 00:19:11.306 --> 00:19:14.966 Rupert Isaacson: She would, would you just share with us as, as it comes, 00:19:14.966 --> 00:19:17.396 what you think is the best stuff? 00:19:18.556 --> 00:19:22.546 Helena Hjalmarsson: So Lina, Lina was talking about the, you know, her, the 00:19:22.546 --> 00:19:25.936 idea that she's here to learn how to love. 00:19:25.936 --> 00:19:26.296 Right. 00:19:27.076 --> 00:19:33.626 And I think so this is something about, about that and it's like a 00:19:33.626 --> 00:19:36.486 little poem a love meaning to burst. 00:19:37.086 --> 00:19:40.806 I still think a love meaning to burst is a love, meaning to 00:19:40.806 --> 00:19:43.266 level with all that is real. 00:19:44.106 --> 00:19:49.716 I think a love meaning to burst is a love, meaning to test our insensitive souls. 00:19:50.466 --> 00:19:55.476 I think a love meaning to burst is alive and meaning to ind and 00:19:55.476 --> 00:19:59.196 react and rearrange and resolve. 00:20:01.686 --> 00:20:03.126 Rupert Isaacson: Can you read that again? 00:20:03.726 --> 00:20:03.906 Sure. 00:20:03.906 --> 00:20:04.176 Yeah. 00:20:04.446 --> 00:20:05.826 That burst hearing twice. 00:20:06.036 --> 00:20:08.206 And this, can you slow write down because. 00:20:09.051 --> 00:20:11.511 There was so much amazing meeting there. 00:20:11.811 --> 00:20:12.891 I was like, yeah. 00:20:15.141 --> 00:20:16.131 And then you went on to the next time. 00:20:17.086 --> 00:20:17.931 Say it again now. 00:20:17.931 --> 00:20:19.611 Off speed, please. 00:20:20.526 --> 00:20:22.701 Helena Hjalmarsson: And, and actually, I think that it sort of relates to 00:20:22.701 --> 00:20:27.251 what she was trying to say right now in a, it's like, we should 00:20:27.341 --> 00:20:27.791 Rupert Isaacson: absolutely 00:20:28.181 --> 00:20:31.631 Helena Hjalmarsson: nibbling and dabbling with things here, you know? 00:20:31.901 --> 00:20:32.111 Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm. 00:20:33.041 --> 00:20:36.491 Helena Hjalmarsson: I still think a love meaning to burst is a love, 00:20:36.491 --> 00:20:39.671 meaning to level with all that is real. 00:20:40.571 --> 00:20:47.381 I think a love meaning to burst is a love, meaning to test our insensitive souls. 00:20:48.491 --> 00:20:55.121 I think a love meaning to burst is alive and meaning to in differ and 00:20:55.121 --> 00:20:59.171 react and rearrange and resolve. 00:21:01.166 --> 00:21:01.946 Rupert Isaacson: And resolve 00:21:02.536 --> 00:21:02.956 Helena Hjalmarsson: mm-hmm. 00:21:03.641 --> 00:21:04.901 Rupert Isaacson: Bursting to resolve. 00:21:04.901 --> 00:21:06.221 Helena Hjalmarsson: Mm-hmm. 00:21:08.516 --> 00:21:09.656 Rupert Isaacson: Do you know what the context of that 00:21:09.656 --> 00:21:12.176 poem was when she wrote it? 00:21:13.046 --> 00:21:14.726 Helena Hjalmarsson: I don't quite remember. 00:21:14.726 --> 00:21:15.836 That's a good question. 00:21:17.366 --> 00:21:18.686 Rupert Isaacson: And is that a recent one? 00:21:20.366 --> 00:21:21.926 Helena Hjalmarsson: There's another one that's kind of funny. 00:21:21.926 --> 00:21:22.406 Should I read it? 00:21:22.406 --> 00:21:22.916 Oh yeah, 00:21:22.916 --> 00:21:23.276 Rupert Isaacson: please. 00:21:23.281 --> 00:21:23.451 Yeah. 00:21:24.711 --> 00:21:28.186 Helena Hjalmarsson: And I know very well this context 'cause I was going nuts. 00:21:28.906 --> 00:21:35.576 So this is, it's an unti untitled poem holding myself out of a hole. 00:21:35.996 --> 00:21:43.256 I erase my own crazy thoughts in the hope that I will be able to see myself soaked 00:21:43.496 --> 00:21:52.706 in seeing the, seeing soaked in a less sorry, in a less harsh world, salvaged by 00:21:52.706 --> 00:21:57.176 the wary tones of my always insane mother. 00:22:01.541 --> 00:22:02.321 Isn't that cool? 00:22:02.321 --> 00:22:02.441 That's 00:22:02.921 --> 00:22:03.761 Rupert Isaacson: beautiful. 00:22:04.031 --> 00:22:04.361 Helena Hjalmarsson: I think 00:22:04.781 --> 00:22:05.711 Rupert Isaacson: Soaked and sound. 00:22:05.831 --> 00:22:05.891 Yeah. 00:22:06.026 --> 00:22:06.316 Yeah. 00:22:06.401 --> 00:22:06.551 Okay. 00:22:06.551 --> 00:22:07.481 One more time. 00:22:07.481 --> 00:22:10.331 You got these bare repetition, please. 00:22:10.661 --> 00:22:10.961 Yeah. 00:22:11.111 --> 00:22:11.351 Okay. 00:22:11.351 --> 00:22:12.431 Read it again and read it. 00:22:12.431 --> 00:22:13.181 Even slower. 00:22:15.551 --> 00:22:16.481 Helena Hjalmarsson: Untitled. 00:22:17.891 --> 00:22:19.646 Holding myself out of a hole. 00:22:20.326 --> 00:22:20.806 I raised 00:22:21.106 --> 00:22:22.286 Rupert Isaacson: myself out of a hole. 00:22:22.691 --> 00:22:22.871 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:22:22.871 --> 00:22:27.701 And this is like while ago, and we had some crazy scenes, some really nutty, 00:22:27.701 --> 00:22:29.381 like everybody was falling apart. 00:22:30.041 --> 00:22:33.701 And, and, and Lina Not, not, not at least Lina. 00:22:34.211 --> 00:22:34.841 And me too. 00:22:35.501 --> 00:22:37.601 Holding myself out of a hole. 00:22:38.111 --> 00:22:41.081 I raised my own crazy thoughts. 00:22:41.411 --> 00:22:43.511 Rupert Isaacson: I erase my own crazy thoughts. 00:22:43.511 --> 00:22:43.751 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:22:43.946 --> 00:22:45.506 I raise, I think I raise, 00:22:45.641 --> 00:22:46.511 Rupert Isaacson: I raise them. 00:22:46.511 --> 00:22:46.661 Yeah. 00:22:46.746 --> 00:22:46.946 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:22:47.066 --> 00:22:48.626 I apprise them, pulling 00:22:48.631 --> 00:22:49.631 Rupert Isaacson: myself out of the hole. 00:22:49.631 --> 00:22:51.101 I raise my own crazy. 00:22:51.641 --> 00:22:51.941 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:22:51.971 --> 00:22:52.271 Yeah. 00:22:52.571 --> 00:22:53.471 That was what it was. 00:22:53.471 --> 00:22:55.961 A-R-A-I-S-E. 00:22:55.991 --> 00:22:56.531 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:22:57.461 --> 00:22:57.491 Okay. 00:22:57.491 --> 00:22:57.911 Go on. 00:22:58.541 --> 00:23:03.101 Helena Hjalmarsson: In the hope that I will be able to see myself soaked 00:23:03.581 --> 00:23:11.681 in the seeing, the seeing soaked in a less harsh world salvaged by the 00:23:11.681 --> 00:23:15.701 wary tones of my always insane mother. 00:23:19.001 --> 00:23:20.141 Rupert Isaacson: It's so beautiful. 00:23:20.861 --> 00:23:24.341 And knowing you as I know you, I mean, I, I know that one of your great, 00:23:29.261 --> 00:23:30.851 I mean it as the highest of compliments. 00:23:31.601 --> 00:23:31.661 Yeah. 00:23:31.661 --> 00:23:33.521 I've seen you pushed to the wall 00:23:34.241 --> 00:23:34.571 Helena Hjalmarsson: Right. 00:23:34.901 --> 00:23:36.401 Rupert Isaacson: On so many occasions. 00:23:36.511 --> 00:23:42.511 So for those listeners who are not autism parents the experience. 00:23:44.341 --> 00:23:48.301 There's a lot of talk quite rightly about how difficult and traumatic 00:23:48.301 --> 00:23:51.571 it is for the children and the people who experience the condition. 00:23:51.841 --> 00:23:56.671 But what is not talked about and probably should be talked about is the 00:23:56.671 --> 00:23:59.731 trauma that we go through as parents. 00:24:00.571 --> 00:24:06.301 Trying blind with, you know, it's like you put, they put a blindfold 00:24:06.301 --> 00:24:11.731 on you, tie your arm behind your back and now tell you to Yeah. 00:24:11.821 --> 00:24:14.101 Climb Everest while liberating a city. 00:24:15.391 --> 00:24:15.541 Yeah. 00:24:15.541 --> 00:24:20.276 Using, using an old Yeah. 00:24:20.706 --> 00:24:22.331 Sausage, you know? 00:24:22.446 --> 00:24:22.796 Right. 00:24:22.796 --> 00:24:23.156 Exactly. 00:24:25.801 --> 00:24:27.031 And we, we've got no choice. 00:24:27.031 --> 00:24:28.591 We kind of go, oh, okay. 00:24:30.421 --> 00:24:30.661 Exactly. 00:24:31.171 --> 00:24:33.781 And little by little we figure out, but it does send us a bit nuts. 00:24:33.891 --> 00:24:37.026 But, but then it goes, that nuttiness mm-hmm. 00:24:37.166 --> 00:24:38.841 Is what then allows one to. 00:24:39.336 --> 00:24:40.596 Break wide open. 00:24:41.016 --> 00:24:41.346 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:24:41.496 --> 00:24:43.836 Rupert Isaacson: You know, people, the cliches see outside the box. 00:24:44.196 --> 00:24:44.376 Yeah. 00:24:44.376 --> 00:24:50.346 But you know, you can't see outside the box until you get, God puts 00:24:50.346 --> 00:24:54.306 a boot to your ass and kicks you out there and then Right. 00:24:54.516 --> 00:24:56.046 You're like, well, I went back in the box please. 00:24:56.046 --> 00:24:57.006 And I like, well, no, sorry. 00:24:58.446 --> 00:25:02.256 Then you look around and go, well, it is, it is actually quite interesting out here. 00:25:02.496 --> 00:25:02.736 That's right. 00:25:02.736 --> 00:25:02.856 Yeah. 00:25:03.276 --> 00:25:09.816 But I've really seen you suffer and never give up and, and always be 00:25:09.816 --> 00:25:14.826 very intentional about the road to 00:25:20.586 --> 00:25:23.076 a parallel road mm-hmm. 00:25:23.436 --> 00:25:26.796 Of functionality and inspiration at the same time. 00:25:27.846 --> 00:25:30.101 So not saying, I don't want you to change me, I don't want 00:25:30.101 --> 00:25:31.146 you to stop being who you are. 00:25:31.746 --> 00:25:35.766 And at the same time, I, I have to give you the tools to survive in this world. 00:25:36.606 --> 00:25:39.276 And that tightrope 00:25:40.056 --> 00:25:40.386 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:25:40.596 --> 00:25:41.496 Rupert Isaacson: Is not an easy one. 00:25:42.096 --> 00:25:45.381 So that poem, what I love about it mm-hmm. 00:25:45.786 --> 00:25:50.796 Is that it really shows that you are seen. 00:25:50.796 --> 00:25:50.856 Yeah. 00:25:51.816 --> 00:25:55.266 Because you, I, I started this podcast saying, you know, that you are one 00:25:55.266 --> 00:25:56.556 of my heroes and you really are. 00:25:57.456 --> 00:26:01.236 And at the same time, it sounds like your lean is too. 00:26:02.496 --> 00:26:09.816 And I love that because particularly when someone isn't verbal, I mean, the 00:26:09.816 --> 00:26:11.586 leaner I'm seeing today is extraordinary. 00:26:11.586 --> 00:26:14.916 I've, I've, here's another thing for the listeners and viewers. 00:26:15.366 --> 00:26:15.546 Yeah. 00:26:15.696 --> 00:26:18.846 I have met Lina quite a few times and I have never, ever, ever 00:26:18.846 --> 00:26:19.906 had this interaction with her. 00:26:20.341 --> 00:26:20.691 Helena Hjalmarsson: Right. 00:26:20.696 --> 00:26:20.796 Right. 00:26:21.066 --> 00:26:21.336 I've never had 00:26:21.336 --> 00:26:22.056 Rupert Isaacson: a conversation. 00:26:22.056 --> 00:26:26.346 I've never had this back and forth out it, it's, you know, yeah. 00:26:26.646 --> 00:26:30.846 Part of me is trying not to jump out of my chair Yeah. 00:26:30.846 --> 00:26:35.376 Noises, because, you know, but another part of me is my mind is blown. 00:26:35.856 --> 00:26:36.306 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:26:36.736 --> 00:26:41.716 Rupert Isaacson: But HeLina, you've obviously 00:26:43.756 --> 00:26:46.516 helped bring her here and, and this is just beautiful. 00:26:47.426 --> 00:26:53.606 So to read a poem in which you ease the value of your craziness as to how it's a 00:26:53.606 --> 00:26:58.556 lifesaver, your craziness as a lifesaver is if you're not a bit crazy, you don't 00:26:58.556 --> 00:27:01.376 see how to make the raft out of Yeah. 00:27:01.646 --> 00:27:03.556 Old diapers and that's right. 00:27:03.741 --> 00:27:04.431 You know what I mean? 00:27:04.431 --> 00:27:10.341 And, and a thrown away toothbrush and transform that into a space shuttle, 00:27:10.581 --> 00:27:13.611 you know, while never sleeping. 00:27:13.701 --> 00:27:14.421 And, you know. 00:27:17.271 --> 00:27:18.546 I, I, I love, I love that. 00:27:18.546 --> 00:27:20.316 Can you, can you share another one with us, please? 00:27:20.706 --> 00:27:20.916 Helena Hjalmarsson: Sure. 00:27:20.916 --> 00:27:21.426 Certainly. 00:27:22.476 --> 00:27:23.166 Rupert Isaacson: Such a treat. 00:27:23.586 --> 00:27:25.176 Helena Hjalmarsson: This is not a poem. 00:27:25.176 --> 00:27:27.906 This is more like, okay, well, this, yeah. 00:27:27.906 --> 00:27:29.496 You want poem or sort of like, 00:27:29.946 --> 00:27:30.816 Rupert Isaacson: I want anything. 00:27:30.991 --> 00:27:31.281 Helena Hjalmarsson: Okay. 00:27:32.386 --> 00:27:32.596 MS. 00:27:32.596 --> 00:27:38.266 Per here is, she's talking about telepathy and this is another poem. 00:27:38.266 --> 00:27:43.396 It's called Incisions, and the other one is called soaring. 00:27:43.546 --> 00:27:46.186 And here she's talking about the paradox of autism. 00:27:46.576 --> 00:27:47.596 That might be interesting. 00:27:48.526 --> 00:27:48.811 Do you wanna hear? 00:27:48.971 --> 00:27:49.306 I want all 00:27:49.306 --> 00:27:49.576 Rupert Isaacson: of it. 00:27:49.581 --> 00:27:50.776 All, all of the above, please. 00:27:51.166 --> 00:27:51.586 Helena Hjalmarsson: Okay. 00:27:52.216 --> 00:27:57.076 So then I'm gonna, okay, we'll start, we'll continue with the poems then in 00:27:57.076 --> 00:28:03.766 sessions, hollering at the moon, hollering at the sun, hollering at the earth. 00:28:04.366 --> 00:28:07.786 I align with all, I align with everything. 00:28:08.461 --> 00:28:10.531 I am seeing my life transform. 00:28:11.041 --> 00:28:13.111 I'm seeing all the suffering that I have. 00:28:13.161 --> 00:28:13.851 So sorry. 00:28:14.151 --> 00:28:18.381 I'm seeing all the suffering I have endured, eclipsing into a 00:28:18.441 --> 00:28:24.891 tentative incision of sawdust and sun in mountains and ocean is my 00:28:24.891 --> 00:28:30.861 transformation in real yearning and real gestations is my salvation. 00:28:32.841 --> 00:28:33.231 Rupert Isaacson: Whew. 00:28:37.521 --> 00:28:38.811 I guess the power of suffering. 00:28:39.441 --> 00:28:39.711 Yeah. 00:28:39.711 --> 00:28:40.496 The value of suffering. 00:28:41.211 --> 00:28:41.631 Helena Hjalmarsson: Right. 00:28:42.891 --> 00:28:43.731 Rupert Isaacson: More, more. 00:28:43.731 --> 00:28:44.211 Keep going. 00:28:44.631 --> 00:28:44.961 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:28:45.141 --> 00:28:47.721 I'm soaring in real life. 00:28:47.751 --> 00:28:49.341 I'm a soaring eagle. 00:28:49.731 --> 00:28:54.981 Need I always indicate the soaring truth Is my life a tentative, 00:28:54.981 --> 00:28:57.741 talking tedious, ageless havoc? 00:28:58.641 --> 00:29:04.161 All I am is a loving eagle without wings, I am ahead of pestering people. 00:29:04.611 --> 00:29:06.321 I am ahead of my ignorance. 00:29:06.891 --> 00:29:09.741 I am ahead of seeing yearnings without end. 00:29:12.441 --> 00:29:16.281 Rupert Isaacson: I am ahead of seeing yearnings Without end, I 00:29:16.281 --> 00:29:17.421 wouldn't mind being ahead of that. 00:29:17.841 --> 00:29:18.561 Helena Hjalmarsson: No, me neither. 00:29:20.751 --> 00:29:21.801 Rupert Isaacson: Okay, go on. 00:29:22.761 --> 00:29:24.591 Helena Hjalmarsson: So that was a little bit of that and then 00:29:24.641 --> 00:29:28.741 Solina was talking about paradox of autism or she's talking about Yes. 00:29:28.741 --> 00:29:29.581 Rupert Isaacson: Paradox of autism. 00:29:29.891 --> 00:29:30.416 Yeah, yeah, let's 00:29:30.416 --> 00:29:30.686 Helena Hjalmarsson: do that. 00:29:32.936 --> 00:29:33.426 Lina. 00:29:34.666 --> 00:29:35.206 Helene. 00:29:36.856 --> 00:29:37.156 Okay. 00:29:37.876 --> 00:29:42.406 I see autism as the most profound inspiration that has ever existed. 00:29:43.156 --> 00:29:45.136 It is also the most profound challenge. 00:29:46.366 --> 00:29:49.606 I think it's so hard and I, I just think that it's so important that she's 00:29:49.606 --> 00:29:53.446 writing about this because a lot of us are either, we just see the, you know, 00:29:53.446 --> 00:29:57.166 a lot of people see just the beauty and it's all about inclusion or whatever, and 00:29:57.166 --> 00:30:00.976 then the others see just the sort of the medical issues and, you know, all that 00:30:01.036 --> 00:30:01.426 Rupert Isaacson: shit. 00:30:01.426 --> 00:30:02.026 And the challenges. 00:30:02.026 --> 00:30:02.986 The very real challenges. 00:30:02.986 --> 00:30:03.281 Yeah, yeah, yeah, 00:30:03.526 --> 00:30:03.916 Helena Hjalmarsson: exactly. 00:30:03.916 --> 00:30:05.746 And, but there's no integration. 00:30:06.046 --> 00:30:06.166 Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm. 00:30:06.226 --> 00:30:06.376 And 00:30:06.376 --> 00:30:09.286 Helena Hjalmarsson: I think that Lina, that's, that's why I feel like 00:30:09.376 --> 00:30:12.556 her, the book that she's writing my life on the planet, that that 00:30:12.556 --> 00:30:16.336 is really important because she's talking about all of it, you know? 00:30:16.336 --> 00:30:16.396 Yeah. 00:30:16.516 --> 00:30:18.286 Both the challenges and the bliss, you know? 00:30:18.661 --> 00:30:18.881 Rupert Isaacson: Yes. 00:30:19.916 --> 00:30:25.016 As you know, if you followed any of my work, I'm an autism dad and we have 00:30:25.016 --> 00:30:31.576 a whole career before this podcast in helping people with neurodivergence, 00:30:32.256 --> 00:30:34.476 either who are professionals in the field. 00:30:34.556 --> 00:30:35.396 Are you a therapist? 00:30:35.816 --> 00:30:37.086 Are you a caregiver? 00:30:37.476 --> 00:30:38.486 Are you a parent? 00:30:38.921 --> 00:30:40.951 Or are you somebody with neurodivergence? 00:30:42.391 --> 00:30:47.331 When my son, Rowan, was diagnosed with autism in 2004, 00:30:47.371 --> 00:30:49.001 I really didn't know what to do. 00:30:49.201 --> 00:30:54.471 So I reached out for mentorship, and I found it through an amazing adult 00:30:54.511 --> 00:30:57.311 autistic woman who's very famous, Dr. 00:30:57.461 --> 00:30:58.351 Temple Grandin. 00:30:58.551 --> 00:31:00.191 And she told me what to do. 00:31:00.241 --> 00:31:04.481 And it's been working so amazingly for the last 20 years. 00:31:04.831 --> 00:31:09.281 That not only is my son basically independent, but we've helped 00:31:09.541 --> 00:31:13.291 countless, countless thousands of others reach the same goal. 00:31:13.631 --> 00:31:17.531 Working in schools, working at home, working in therapy settings. 00:31:18.561 --> 00:31:23.001 If you would like to learn this cutting edge, neuroscience backed 00:31:23.221 --> 00:31:25.261 approach, it's called Movement Method. 00:31:25.921 --> 00:31:29.278 You can learn it online, you can learn it very, very simply. 00:31:29.278 --> 00:31:31.541 It's almost laughably simple. 00:31:32.481 --> 00:31:35.181 The important thing is to begin. 00:31:36.111 --> 00:31:39.261 Let yourself be mentored as I was by Dr. 00:31:39.261 --> 00:31:42.551 Grandin and see what results can follow. 00:31:43.581 --> 00:31:46.511 Go to this website, newtrailslearning. 00:31:48.781 --> 00:31:51.286 com Sign up as a gold member. 00:31:51.726 --> 00:31:54.616 Take the online movement method course. 00:31:55.106 --> 00:31:56.476 It's in 40 countries. 00:31:57.086 --> 00:31:59.146 Let us know how it goes for you. 00:31:59.346 --> 00:32:00.116 We really want to know. 00:32:00.126 --> 00:32:04.626 We really want to help people like me, people like you, out there 00:32:04.976 --> 00:32:08.256 live their best life, to live free, ride free, see what happens. 00:32:09.296 --> 00:32:11.546 Helena Hjalmarsson: Anyway, I see all this mess, the most profound 00:32:11.546 --> 00:32:13.256 inspiration that has ever existed. 00:32:13.646 --> 00:32:15.566 It is also the most profound challenge. 00:32:15.896 --> 00:32:20.306 I think it's so hard for people to incorporate the paradox of autism. 00:32:20.756 --> 00:32:25.916 Is autism the love for people's soul, or is it the excruciating challenge? 00:32:26.321 --> 00:32:28.451 For the individual and his or her family? 00:32:28.721 --> 00:32:29.591 I think it's both. 00:32:30.101 --> 00:32:34.001 I think that life with someone on the severe end of the spectrum is a life full 00:32:34.001 --> 00:32:35.741 of suffering and a life full of bliss. 00:32:36.521 --> 00:32:40.061 In my own experience as an individual with very severe autism, 00:32:40.361 --> 00:32:44.726 I see the suffering being a lot stronger than the bliss in my life. 00:32:44.726 --> 00:32:48.011 I also have earnings for a life without autism. 00:32:48.491 --> 00:32:53.531 I see how autism my OCD and anxiety destroys so much for me. 00:32:54.251 --> 00:32:59.041 If I was free of what I if, if I was free of that, I wouldn't have autism. 00:33:02.401 --> 00:33:04.021 Rupert Isaacson: Can you read that again? 00:33:04.441 --> 00:33:04.891 Helena Hjalmarsson: Totally. 00:33:05.671 --> 00:33:09.956 Rupert Isaacson: Because there's some questions I'd like to pick up on that. 00:33:09.956 --> 00:33:10.156 Yeah. 00:33:10.436 --> 00:33:11.236 I could ask. 00:33:11.546 --> 00:33:11.836 Okay. 00:33:12.216 --> 00:33:13.076 We get paper? 00:33:13.736 --> 00:33:14.156 Helena Hjalmarsson: Mm-hmm. 00:33:14.461 --> 00:33:14.881 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 00:33:15.211 --> 00:33:15.481 Helena Hjalmarsson: Cool. 00:33:15.961 --> 00:33:16.501 Rupert Isaacson: Alright. 00:33:16.801 --> 00:33:17.761 Pick off again, please. 00:33:17.786 --> 00:33:18.976 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah, SeLina. 00:33:19.021 --> 00:33:22.561 So we're reading about that stuff, about paradox of autism and so. 00:33:23.806 --> 00:33:24.886 I'm just gonna reread it. 00:33:25.636 --> 00:33:29.506 I see autism as the most profound inspiration that has ever existed. 00:33:29.926 --> 00:33:31.846 It is also the most profound challenge. 00:33:32.386 --> 00:33:35.776 I think it's so hard for people to incorporate corporate. 00:33:36.136 --> 00:33:37.666 The paradox of autism. 00:33:38.176 --> 00:33:42.946 Is autism, the love for people's soul, or is it the most excruciating challenge 00:33:42.946 --> 00:33:44.866 for the individual and his or her family? 00:33:45.256 --> 00:33:46.216 I think it's both. 00:33:46.666 --> 00:33:50.806 I think that life with someone on the severe end of the spectrum is a life full 00:33:50.806 --> 00:33:52.696 of suffering and a life full of bliss. 00:33:53.536 --> 00:33:57.016 In my own experience as an individual with very severe autism, 00:33:57.376 --> 00:34:01.816 I see the suffering being a lot stronger than the bliss in my life. 00:34:01.816 --> 00:34:04.846 I also have yearnings for a life without autism. 00:34:05.686 --> 00:34:10.996 I see how autism by OCD and anxiety destroys so much for me. 00:34:11.686 --> 00:34:14.086 If I was free of that, I wouldn't have autism. 00:34:15.916 --> 00:34:16.066 Rupert Isaacson: Okay, 00:34:17.536 --> 00:34:17.896 Helena Hjalmarsson: so 00:34:19.306 --> 00:34:20.566 Rupert Isaacson: I've got three questions. 00:34:23.871 --> 00:34:24.346 Helena Hjalmarsson: You ready? 00:34:24.556 --> 00:34:25.126 Yes. 00:34:25.756 --> 00:34:26.326 Rupert Isaacson: All right. 00:34:30.226 --> 00:34:34.456 . You talk about the bliss from the inside. 00:34:34.456 --> 00:34:37.726 As an autistic person, what is the bliss of autism? 00:34:41.266 --> 00:34:46.081 Helena Hjalmarsson: It, SO, then G. 00:34:46.186 --> 00:34:46.516 Okay. 00:34:46.756 --> 00:34:47.146 Okay. 00:34:47.716 --> 00:34:49.726 It's a ongoingly. 00:34:49.726 --> 00:34:54.586 Incredible seeing and alignment with one's soul. 00:34:56.716 --> 00:34:58.876 Can you say that in simple terms, Lynn? 00:34:58.876 --> 00:34:59.356 Yes. 00:34:59.416 --> 00:35:00.916 Direct As direct as you can get. 00:35:01.156 --> 00:35:03.286 It's hard for not to be like run direct, 00:35:03.766 --> 00:35:04.366 Rupert Isaacson: but we have time. 00:35:04.756 --> 00:35:08.506 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah, so try to go, go straight to a little bit. 00:35:09.886 --> 00:35:12.936 Nine in my life I hollow out to the universe the love I feel. 00:35:13.296 --> 00:35:16.656 Are you saying that you just feel that love so strong it almost 00:35:16.656 --> 00:35:18.156 more makes you wanna shout? 00:35:18.546 --> 00:35:19.416 Is that what you're saying? 00:35:19.446 --> 00:35:19.746 Okay. 00:35:19.956 --> 00:35:20.226 Mm-hmm. 00:35:20.976 --> 00:35:22.956 So that, that love is very strong. 00:35:24.431 --> 00:35:24.721 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:35:25.446 --> 00:35:29.076 Helena Hjalmarsson: And, and that, that, yeah, in many situations 00:35:29.076 --> 00:35:33.146 that that is always there inside no matter what craziness is 00:35:33.146 --> 00:35:35.456 happening, that it's always there. 00:35:35.816 --> 00:35:36.296 Does that 00:35:38.936 --> 00:35:40.046 somewhere, you know, in there. 00:35:42.021 --> 00:35:42.311 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:35:42.626 --> 00:35:43.796 I have a second question. 00:35:47.306 --> 00:35:48.296 That's the bliss. 00:35:49.376 --> 00:35:59.576 This being able to sort of exist in and dance in this universal love that is life. 00:35:59.606 --> 00:35:59.966 Okay. 00:36:00.566 --> 00:36:02.096 Now you also talk about the suffering. 00:36:04.976 --> 00:36:06.566 How can we suffer less? 00:36:06.566 --> 00:36:07.056 Lina? 00:36:20.641 --> 00:36:25.401 . Helena Hjalmarsson: TD I think I'm suffering now le less now in 00:36:25.401 --> 00:36:29.781 my life that I am anticipating. 00:36:31.891 --> 00:36:34.981 Create THDN. 00:36:35.201 --> 00:36:38.291 She's suffering less now because she can anticipate the 00:36:38.291 --> 00:36:40.931 moments of calm and create them. 00:36:42.281 --> 00:36:42.641 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:36:43.526 --> 00:36:44.606 How do you create them? 00:36:44.996 --> 00:36:45.236 Yeah. 00:36:46.496 --> 00:36:49.076 Helena Hjalmarsson: YISD. 00:36:49.391 --> 00:36:51.611 See so many reasons to be happy. 00:36:54.316 --> 00:36:59.981 I I, C, so MUCH much. 00:37:00.051 --> 00:37:00.441 Love. 00:37:00.714 --> 00:37:02.124 Rupert Isaacson: Here is another question. 00:37:03.504 --> 00:37:04.674 If you are your mother. 00:37:05.994 --> 00:37:14.364 If you are the parent of a person like yourself, how can your mother suffer less? 00:37:14.364 --> 00:37:21.624 How can somebody in that position as guardian and caretaker, but also who 00:37:21.624 --> 00:37:28.494 doesn't want to get in the way and wants to nurture how, how, how could 00:37:28.494 --> 00:37:30.294 we, the autism parents suffer less. 00:37:32.634 --> 00:37:38.094 Helena Hjalmarsson: My T-H-I-N-K, I think nan? 00:37:38.334 --> 00:37:38.844 No. 00:37:38.874 --> 00:37:42.174 I think my soul mom is not suffering now. 00:37:44.874 --> 00:37:46.734 But if I did, what would you tell me? 00:37:47.664 --> 00:37:48.144 Tell me. 00:37:48.534 --> 00:37:54.744 Na ITHI , I think I see real soul in my aligned mom. 00:37:55.189 --> 00:37:55.409 Yes. 00:37:55.549 --> 00:37:55.969 Mm-hmm. 00:37:56.214 --> 00:37:56.574 Yes. 00:37:56.649 --> 00:38:02.424 I, I am doing pretty well, but right now, but you have seen me in 00:38:02.424 --> 00:38:05.694 many different places and you know, we have both gone totally nuts. 00:38:06.054 --> 00:38:09.799 So what would you say to some somebody, or what did you say to me? 00:38:09.924 --> 00:38:11.844 I don't remember when I was totally tripping. 00:38:11.844 --> 00:38:19.704 And what, what, you know, or to, to parents who feel like they just can't 00:38:19.704 --> 00:38:22.494 take it and they're going, they go, they're going crazy with everything. 00:38:22.494 --> 00:38:26.114 What, what should be done, what should be told, what can 00:38:26.114 --> 00:38:28.064 help them us when we are first 00:38:28.724 --> 00:38:31.580 Nine h-D-L-D-N-G. 00:38:31.580 --> 00:38:31.940 Okay. 00:38:32.300 --> 00:38:36.740 So I think Hena needing to shout and be pissed is a lovely thing. 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.960 So would you, would you say that to other parents too? 00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:45.230 That they should be, they should shout and let their emotions out? 00:38:46.160 --> 00:38:46.790 Yes. 00:38:46.940 --> 00:38:47.120 Uhhuh? 00:38:48.080 --> 00:38:48.380 Yeah. 00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:53.130 You see, I was just reading, I'm reading male dos autobiography and he's talking 00:38:53.130 --> 00:38:57.690 about grief and how the villagers, you know, when they're grieving. 00:38:57.740 --> 00:39:00.170 His grandfather died and everybody was grieving and 00:39:00.170 --> 00:39:01.880 they took three days to do it. 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.290 And, you know, shouting and screaming and running away sometimes 00:39:06.290 --> 00:39:07.910 and, and then stopping, you know. 00:39:08.345 --> 00:39:12.785 Because when they grieved overtook them and they ran down the, the road 00:39:12.785 --> 00:39:16.325 and, and then, you know, at some point, and they had people around them, 00:39:16.325 --> 00:39:20.315 the ones who grieved the most, had people who watched them to help them. 00:39:20.675 --> 00:39:25.415 Not to be totally overcome, but that whole idea that in the Western society, 00:39:25.415 --> 00:39:28.140 we just always put a lock on our emotion. 00:39:28.325 --> 00:39:30.035 We just like, we get passive aggressive. 00:39:30.035 --> 00:39:35.585 You know, we, you know, we, we, we just try to control ourselves to every degree. 00:39:35.585 --> 00:39:38.315 You know, like that is some kind of like incredible virtue. 00:39:38.315 --> 00:39:42.695 You know, first blue, first and blue instead of sometimes just 00:39:42.695 --> 00:39:45.305 if you have excruciating f blue 00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:47.945 Lina Hjalmarsson: ber kra, would you Yes. 00:39:47.945 --> 00:39:48.545 Helena Hjalmarsson: Go get that? 00:39:48.940 --> 00:39:49.230 Lina Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:39:49.235 --> 00:39:49.835 Helena Hjalmarsson: You can do it. 00:39:50.525 --> 00:39:51.125 You know what I mean? 00:39:51.125 --> 00:39:53.390 So, yeah, I think you know, yes. 00:39:53.715 --> 00:39:56.115 I was also talking to Elsa about this, that, you know, 00:39:56.745 --> 00:39:57.645 Rupert Isaacson: Elsa being your other daughter 00:39:58.155 --> 00:39:58.545 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:39:59.385 --> 00:40:01.905 That some Lina's younger sister and um mm-hmm. 00:40:02.415 --> 00:40:10.875 Sometimes, you know, she, well, we were all like, basically, basically 00:40:10.875 --> 00:40:12.885 feel, it was a, it was a mad house. 00:40:12.945 --> 00:40:12.975 Mm. 00:40:13.905 --> 00:40:20.145 Then the beauty and the love and the, you know, sense of connection and peace 00:40:20.205 --> 00:40:24.555 when everybody had tried to express what they are feeling, the despair, you know? 00:40:24.555 --> 00:40:25.395 Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm. 00:40:25.401 --> 00:40:31.005 Helena Hjalmarsson: Fully, and feeling that, that everybody accepts, you know, 00:40:31.005 --> 00:40:32.925 what they are experiencing, you know? 00:40:33.845 --> 00:40:36.870 That I think there's something to that. 00:40:37.140 --> 00:40:42.030 I think that, that helps us go fresh into the next day, you know? 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.030 And I think that that's something in the Western society, we 00:40:45.030 --> 00:40:45.870 don't know how to do that. 00:40:46.410 --> 00:40:47.010 We just don't. 00:40:47.970 --> 00:40:51.380 Rupert Isaacson: If you made it this far into the podcast, then I'm 00:40:51.380 --> 00:40:56.060 guessing you're somebody that, like me, loves to read books about not 00:40:56.060 --> 00:40:59.960 just how people have achieved self actualization, but particularly 00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:03.670 about the relationship with nature. 00:41:04.120 --> 00:41:07.300 Spirituality, life, the universe, and everything. 00:41:08.040 --> 00:41:10.990 And I'd like to draw your attention to my books. 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:15.680 If you would like to read the story of how we even arrived here, perhaps 00:41:15.680 --> 00:41:20.140 you'd like to check out the two New York Times bestsellers, The Horseboy 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:25.810 and The Long Ride Home, and come on an adventure with us and see what engendered, 00:41:25.870 --> 00:41:28.020 what started Live Free Ride Free. 00:41:28.040 --> 00:41:31.820 And before we go back to the podcast, also check out The Healing 00:41:31.820 --> 00:41:34.310 Land, which tells the story of. 00:41:35.015 --> 00:41:40.405 My years spent in the Kalahari with the Sun, Bushmen, hunter gatherer people 00:41:40.405 --> 00:41:44.565 there, and all that they taught me, and mentored me in, and all that I learned. 00:41:44.815 --> 00:41:46.075 Come on that adventure with me. 00:41:46.099 --> 00:41:47.989 Well, sure, because I think, I think there's two things. 00:41:47.989 --> 00:41:50.749 One is that that takes tribe, that takes community, right? 00:41:51.019 --> 00:41:51.229 Yeah. 00:41:51.229 --> 00:41:52.184 We're talking about, you know, that's true. 00:41:52.184 --> 00:41:56.119 Someone is there to anybody that, not to be too overcome by the grief, or 00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:00.259 that requires those people to exist and to be there and to be available. 00:42:00.259 --> 00:42:00.439 Right. 00:42:00.889 --> 00:42:01.339 We. 00:42:01.804 --> 00:42:04.384 We in our society do no longer live in that tribal way. 00:42:04.384 --> 00:42:04.474 Right. 00:42:04.894 --> 00:42:08.494 And, you know, it's seen as a sign of weakness to reach out for help. 00:42:08.894 --> 00:42:12.044 But I think those of us who are autism parents know that if we don't 00:42:12.044 --> 00:42:13.214 have that kind of community, yeah. 00:42:13.484 --> 00:42:14.624 We can go on. 00:42:14.624 --> 00:42:17.804 And that's why how people like you and I have found each other and yeah. 00:42:18.104 --> 00:42:20.894 That we've created that community, I think you could say, even when we 00:42:20.894 --> 00:42:22.184 are long distance from each other. 00:42:22.964 --> 00:42:23.054 Right. 00:42:24.434 --> 00:42:27.344 There is a question, a very practical question that comes to mind. 00:42:27.404 --> 00:42:33.224 If Leer say, feels that it's a beautiful thing if you express your craziness 00:42:33.224 --> 00:42:37.934 and your grief and your despair and your overwhelm, there is of course 00:42:37.934 --> 00:42:42.914 when an autistic child is very young, a fear that that might freak 'em out 00:42:42.914 --> 00:42:45.934 and scare them and overwhelm them. 00:42:46.684 --> 00:42:47.014 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:42:47.014 --> 00:42:47.074 How 00:42:47.584 --> 00:42:51.694 Rupert Isaacson: does one, as an autism parent tread that line? 00:42:51.799 --> 00:42:56.419 Yeah, having to just sort of constantly contain and control yourself because 00:42:56.419 --> 00:43:00.409 when, when someone is very, very young, you know, how do we do that? 00:43:00.409 --> 00:43:04.369 How, how could we express those big, raw emotions without, 00:43:04.399 --> 00:43:06.349 without traumatizing the child? 00:43:06.619 --> 00:43:08.059 I'd like to have thoughts on that. 00:43:08.809 --> 00:43:09.139 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:43:09.499 --> 00:43:12.829 I mean, I, I think that there's also instinct involved in this. 00:43:12.829 --> 00:43:18.749 I mean, you, you wouldn't you know, shout at the a a little child. 00:43:18.749 --> 00:43:20.069 It, it's just something no, not shout 00:43:20.069 --> 00:43:23.099 Rupert Isaacson: at, but you might, you know, if, if, if you are 00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:25.769 overwhelming, your grief makes you Yeah. 00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.369 Shout at the planet or God or whatever, you know, how, how, how do you 00:43:29.369 --> 00:43:33.659 express that Will without Yeah, yeah, 00:43:34.379 --> 00:43:34.649 Helena Hjalmarsson: yeah. 00:43:34.649 --> 00:43:38.579 I mean, I think it's, it's a little different, you know, you 00:43:38.579 --> 00:43:44.689 can almost instinctively feel you know, even, even when Lina was like 00:43:44.839 --> 00:43:47.239 a young teenager, it wasn't really. 00:43:48.169 --> 00:43:49.494 Lina Hjalmarsson: First blue, first, 00:43:49.999 --> 00:43:53.389 Helena Hjalmarsson: first of blue cucumber with you. 00:43:53.449 --> 00:43:53.659 Yeah. 00:43:53.659 --> 00:43:55.849 You can go and get the cucumber and then bring it back. 00:43:55.849 --> 00:43:56.329 Yeah. 00:43:56.389 --> 00:43:57.169 Yeah, totally. 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.289 It's not the same thing as when she's like, closer to, you know, 00:44:01.859 --> 00:44:02.129 Rupert Isaacson: yeah. 00:44:02.129 --> 00:44:02.279 20 00:44:02.909 --> 00:44:04.499 Helena Hjalmarsson: and, and, and be beyond. 00:44:04.499 --> 00:44:08.189 You know, it's really now that more than anything, like, you know, this 00:44:08.189 --> 00:44:13.979 last bout of mycoplasma well was, you know, now she's 21 and a half, and 00:44:14.029 --> 00:44:19.339 there's a new bout of mycoplasma and it comes with a lot of, of, of, of crazy 00:44:19.969 --> 00:44:24.469 OCD and a lots of acting out and loss of control and, you know, anxiety. 00:44:24.469 --> 00:44:25.489 It's just really brutal. 00:44:25.939 --> 00:44:26.569 OCD. 00:44:27.259 --> 00:44:33.519 And so then, you know, this was just a, a time when, you know, I really 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:37.689 put the law down in a way that I have never done and not eloquently. 00:44:38.374 --> 00:44:41.034 But very, very decisively. 00:44:41.514 --> 00:44:47.684 And I felt actually that Lina it really, really helped Lina and I, you 00:44:47.684 --> 00:44:49.724 know, it, it just calmed her down. 00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.184 Rupert Isaacson: By that say she say she was ready for that, 00:44:53.874 --> 00:44:54.774 Helena Hjalmarsson: she was ready. 00:44:54.864 --> 00:45:00.844 She was so ready to basically see me not as that one that's always helping her, 00:45:01.444 --> 00:45:03.544 but also as, as a human being, you know? 00:45:03.549 --> 00:45:03.729 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 00:45:04.774 --> 00:45:07.144 Helena Hjalmarsson: She and I have been talking a lot about like 00:45:07.174 --> 00:45:10.204 that, you know, at certain point she complained or you just talk 00:45:10.204 --> 00:45:11.494 about yourself and your own needs. 00:45:11.494 --> 00:45:13.384 Now, suddenly all the time, I'm tired of it. 00:45:17.494 --> 00:45:17.614 Whatcha 00:45:17.614 --> 00:45:18.064 Rupert Isaacson: allowed 00:45:20.674 --> 00:45:22.744 Helena Hjalmarsson: make up for, don't you think? 00:45:24.694 --> 00:45:29.244 Because I've been nagging about that all, all the time and, you know, but I felt 00:45:29.364 --> 00:45:33.684 that I absolutely, this is, this is, it is now, or, or this is not gonna work. 00:45:33.714 --> 00:45:35.244 This ship is gonna sink. 00:45:35.604 --> 00:45:36.024 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 00:45:36.384 --> 00:45:39.474 Helena Hjalmarsson: And, and, and actually now after that is, is we've 00:45:39.474 --> 00:45:44.154 had such beautiful time and I feel like there's just more equality 00:45:44.154 --> 00:45:48.874 between us and she's really taking me into account, you know, much more. 00:45:48.874 --> 00:45:50.184 And, and I don't know. 00:45:50.244 --> 00:45:54.914 It's just, I feel, I feel good because, eh, being able to, you know, 00:45:54.914 --> 00:45:59.234 you know how it's the, the anxiety and the rage comes from feeling 00:45:59.234 --> 00:46:01.244 like you cannot, you are helpless. 00:46:01.244 --> 00:46:07.444 You can't, you cannot actually push against the situation 00:46:07.444 --> 00:46:08.584 or this person or whatever. 00:46:08.884 --> 00:46:13.264 But if you feel that you have the right, then it's very calming. 00:46:13.264 --> 00:46:13.624 You know? 00:46:13.624 --> 00:46:16.404 It's, it's just really quite different. 00:46:16.404 --> 00:46:17.274 Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm. 00:46:17.279 --> 00:46:17.449 Mm-hmm. 00:46:17.754 --> 00:46:18.774 The right to express. 00:46:18.804 --> 00:46:19.014 Yeah. 00:46:19.014 --> 00:46:19.409 That pain. 00:46:20.034 --> 00:46:20.334 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:46:20.334 --> 00:46:20.344 Yeah. 00:46:20.879 --> 00:46:21.169 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 00:46:21.834 --> 00:46:24.984 Helena Hjalmarsson: But also, like a kid on the spectrum three or four or 00:46:24.984 --> 00:46:27.144 five, it's a very different feeling. 00:46:27.144 --> 00:46:27.154 Yeah. 00:46:28.074 --> 00:46:29.124 You don't want, you don't feel anger. 00:46:29.124 --> 00:46:31.494 You, you just feel like, what is happening to my child? 00:46:31.494 --> 00:46:31.674 Stress. 00:46:31.674 --> 00:46:31.734 Yeah. 00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:32.499 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 00:46:32.754 --> 00:46:35.964 Helena Hjalmarsson: And when they're 13, you know, now you're feeling 00:46:35.964 --> 00:46:38.904 like, no, you can't fucking hit me. 00:46:39.504 --> 00:46:39.834 Rupert Isaacson: Yes. 00:46:42.489 --> 00:46:45.669 Helena Hjalmarsson: So it's different and it's different, you know. 00:46:46.329 --> 00:46:48.999 Rupert Isaacson: Can you tell us, can you tell us a bit about you? 00:46:48.999 --> 00:46:50.649 You just referred to mycoplasma. 00:46:51.069 --> 00:46:54.729 Can you not, a lot of people will not know what that is and 00:46:54.849 --> 00:46:55.179 Helena Hjalmarsson: Oh, yeah. 00:46:55.449 --> 00:46:55.899 Rupert Isaacson: Behavior. 00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.419 Can you tell us a bit about 1, 2, 3 on it? 00:46:58.959 --> 00:46:59.379 Helena Hjalmarsson: Totally. 00:46:59.379 --> 00:46:59.799 Totally. 00:46:59.799 --> 00:47:02.379 It's, it's an autoimmune disorder. 00:47:02.379 --> 00:47:06.169 There's death, there's pandas you know, that comes from strep, right. 00:47:06.929 --> 00:47:07.554 And pandas 00:47:07.554 --> 00:47:11.009 Rupert Isaacson: and pans, which is the type of streptococcal infection Exactly. 00:47:11.009 --> 00:47:12.359 That can hit the brain. 00:47:12.899 --> 00:47:13.259 And Exactly. 00:47:13.529 --> 00:47:17.069 People with autism seem to be particularly prone to it for Exactly. 00:47:17.189 --> 00:47:18.474 We dunno, there you go. 00:47:18.474 --> 00:47:22.379 And often get it around adolescents and, and it can turn people into effectively 00:47:22.439 --> 00:47:25.409 almost, well violent, let's say. 00:47:25.799 --> 00:47:25.919 Yeah. 00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.999 But it can be treated if they catch it. 00:47:28.839 --> 00:47:30.909 So that's pandas and pans for those. 00:47:31.674 --> 00:47:32.004 Yeah. 00:47:32.064 --> 00:47:33.504 You and all listeners who, dunno what it is. 00:47:33.924 --> 00:47:36.414 If you have an autistic kid and, and they're approaching adolescents, do 00:47:36.414 --> 00:47:37.794 get 'em checked out for pans and pans. 00:47:37.809 --> 00:47:38.299 Helena Hjalmarsson: Totally. 00:47:38.299 --> 00:47:38.309 Okay. 00:47:38.874 --> 00:47:40.644 But micro plasma, 00:47:40.644 --> 00:47:41.539 Rupert Isaacson: talk to us about and, 00:47:41.904 --> 00:47:42.714 Helena Hjalmarsson: and ly also. 00:47:42.774 --> 00:47:42.954 Yeah. 00:47:42.999 --> 00:47:43.539 Rupert Isaacson: And Lyme. 00:47:43.554 --> 00:47:44.094 Okay. 00:47:45.414 --> 00:47:47.484 Helena Hjalmarsson: I think that, and, and you should have somebody 00:47:47.484 --> 00:47:48.774 who knows how to test Lyme. 00:47:49.734 --> 00:47:49.764 Okay. 00:47:50.094 --> 00:47:53.444 It's you know, you can test Lyme until you're blue in the face and 00:47:53.444 --> 00:47:58.224 you see nothing until you go to somebody who's actually able to how do 00:47:58.224 --> 00:47:59.904 Rupert Isaacson: you, how do you identify that person? 00:48:00.804 --> 00:48:04.514 Helena Hjalmarsson: I think that very often naturopaths actually have a 00:48:04.514 --> 00:48:09.014 better handle on what blood tests to order than, for instance, a regular 00:48:09.014 --> 00:48:10.214 medical doctor, I have to say. 00:48:10.994 --> 00:48:11.174 Yeah. 00:48:11.804 --> 00:48:14.174 Then of course, a good medical, medical doctor, I'm not saying 00:48:14.174 --> 00:48:17.614 that, but, you know, definitely more, more naturopaths are, are, 00:48:17.874 --> 00:48:20.364 they're better, better able to order. 00:48:21.189 --> 00:48:26.044 Much more subtle and you know, extensive blood test than, 00:48:26.059 --> 00:48:27.634 than than most medical doctors. 00:48:27.844 --> 00:48:27.874 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:48:28.264 --> 00:48:29.884 And then talk to us about mycoplasma. 00:48:29.884 --> 00:48:30.274 What is it? 00:48:30.724 --> 00:48:32.944 Helena Hjalmarsson: So that is actually the pan actually. 00:48:32.949 --> 00:48:33.829 That is, that is the pan. 00:48:33.899 --> 00:48:34.189 Okay. 00:48:34.189 --> 00:48:34.469 Rupert Isaacson: That is, 00:48:34.864 --> 00:48:36.394 Helena Hjalmarsson: and that is bacteria. 00:48:36.394 --> 00:48:38.124 And everybody has mycoplasma. 00:48:38.494 --> 00:48:41.854 It's a very small bacteria and it does not have a cell wall. 00:48:41.854 --> 00:48:48.424 So it can sit latent in somebody's system for years and then suddenly flare up. 00:48:48.424 --> 00:48:48.484 Yeah. 00:48:49.114 --> 00:48:52.684 You know, suddenly there's too high of a count, you know? 00:48:53.214 --> 00:48:56.294 And they're super tricky and they can create OCD like crazy. 00:48:56.294 --> 00:48:58.364 First time Lalina had mycoplasma. 00:48:58.844 --> 00:49:02.644 She all she said, and I, you know, all she said was red and black. 00:49:03.184 --> 00:49:06.394 Red and black all night long with increasing intensity. 00:49:06.514 --> 00:49:08.074 It was like the worst torture. 00:49:08.074 --> 00:49:12.634 You know how in prison, you know, people get these drops of water on their head. 00:49:13.114 --> 00:49:17.164 This was like the same thing like that, you know, but just red and black, red 00:49:17.164 --> 00:49:19.744 and black, red and like increasing. 00:49:19.924 --> 00:49:22.204 It's just, it's just insane. 00:49:22.204 --> 00:49:28.474 I try to then introduce green, you know, and just little by little. 00:49:28.914 --> 00:49:32.864 But then, then you know, we did all kinds of things including very 00:49:32.864 --> 00:49:36.704 strict keto diet to bring down, to not feed the bacteria at all. 00:49:37.194 --> 00:49:40.844 At that microplasma was so incredibly intense that we had 00:49:40.844 --> 00:49:42.494 to do antibiotics for a while. 00:49:43.244 --> 00:49:44.234 When she was 13. 00:49:44.964 --> 00:49:49.214 But now this time around we did antibiotics because she had Lyme also 00:49:49.854 --> 00:49:53.274 you know, kids on the spectrum and young adults on the spectrum, they always get 00:49:53.424 --> 00:49:55.644 everything, particularly the autoimmune. 00:49:56.694 --> 00:49:57.214 Rupert Isaacson: There seems to be. 00:49:57.214 --> 00:49:57.224 Yeah. 00:49:57.224 --> 00:50:00.444 There seems to be a deficiency somewhere in the gut bacteria that 00:50:00.444 --> 00:50:02.454 just doesn't lets these things in. 00:50:02.844 --> 00:50:03.204 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:50:03.294 --> 00:50:06.474 And or, you know, a toxic overload, whatever you wanna Yeah, yeah, 00:50:06.474 --> 00:50:07.074 Rupert Isaacson: yeah, yeah. 00:50:07.074 --> 00:50:07.164 But, 00:50:07.584 --> 00:50:10.934 Helena Hjalmarsson: but so now we did we did antibiotic get to address 00:50:10.934 --> 00:50:14.894 the Lyme, but for the mycoplasma, now we are working with the naturopath. 00:50:14.984 --> 00:50:15.644 His name is Dr. 00:50:15.644 --> 00:50:15.944 Engles. 00:50:15.944 --> 00:50:16.814 He's incredible. 00:50:18.014 --> 00:50:18.134 Rupert Isaacson: Dr. 00:50:18.224 --> 00:50:18.704 Helena Hjalmarsson: Engles? 00:50:18.704 --> 00:50:18.714 Engles. 00:50:18.714 --> 00:50:18.789 Yeah. 00:50:19.304 --> 00:50:19.544 Engles. 00:50:19.544 --> 00:50:20.109 Rupert Isaacson: Where's he based? 00:50:20.804 --> 00:50:21.734 Helena Hjalmarsson: He's in California. 00:50:22.124 --> 00:50:22.574 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:50:22.964 --> 00:50:23.144 Yeah. 00:50:23.144 --> 00:50:24.464 Maybe I could have him on the show. 00:50:25.004 --> 00:50:25.904 Helena Hjalmarsson: He's incredible. 00:50:26.234 --> 00:50:26.774 You should. 00:50:26.894 --> 00:50:28.344 He knows a lot about autism, autism. 00:50:29.974 --> 00:50:35.594 Another incredible woman, her name is Mary Coyle and she's the home of toxicologist. 00:50:35.744 --> 00:50:40.754 We worked with her for many years because Lina had seizures and it was because of 00:50:40.754 --> 00:50:45.884 all the, so she helped us detox in a soft and gentle way, not a harsh way, you know? 00:50:46.584 --> 00:50:49.194 So then at some point the seizures stopped. 00:50:50.044 --> 00:50:51.199 So, and she what did, what did 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:53.104 Rupert Isaacson: the naturopath attribute the seizures to 00:50:54.124 --> 00:50:54.964 Helena Hjalmarsson: the naturopath? 00:50:54.964 --> 00:50:58.559 He doesn't, he didn't work with seizures because that was, we worked with Mary, but 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.874 Rupert Isaacson: Mary Coyle, what, what did she what To the toxicology, 00:51:01.114 --> 00:51:02.464 what did she attribute seizures to? 00:51:02.464 --> 00:51:03.334 Toxic overload. 00:51:04.084 --> 00:51:06.424 Any, but toxic is a, is a wide term. 00:51:06.874 --> 00:51:07.174 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:51:08.154 --> 00:51:14.974 Well, in, in Lina's case you know, we have found that she has an overload of mercury 00:51:15.004 --> 00:51:18.394 and aluminum and I, I don't, I don't. 00:51:19.459 --> 00:51:20.299 Those are the main thing. 00:51:20.299 --> 00:51:23.659 The aluminum actually is, is the biggest culprit for Lina. 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:23.809 And, 00:51:25.969 --> 00:51:28.609 Rupert Isaacson: and which of course kills brain cells like crazy if it 00:51:28.609 --> 00:51:30.649 gets, crosses the blood-brain barrier. 00:51:31.184 --> 00:51:35.759 What, what what do you think got all that aluminum into her system? 00:51:37.589 --> 00:51:41.274 Helena Hjalmarsson: I think that it is, I think that it is kind of 00:51:41.274 --> 00:51:44.864 like a lot of different factors. 00:51:44.914 --> 00:51:49.654 And I think that the triggering factor was her second MMR vaccine. 00:51:49.684 --> 00:51:49.714 Okay. 00:51:51.904 --> 00:51:54.184 And it could be also the DBT vaccines. 00:51:54.184 --> 00:51:58.494 You know, we, you, you know, we can't know for sure, but with the MMR vaccine 00:51:58.604 --> 00:52:02.864 the second time she took it at three and a half, she had her first seizure 00:52:02.864 --> 00:52:04.964 right after she lost all of her speech. 00:52:05.624 --> 00:52:05.714 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:52:06.244 --> 00:52:09.744 Helena Hjalmarsson: So, you know, you know, and it's not that I'm against 00:52:09.804 --> 00:52:13.624 vaccines, but I do think we should just check out and see what's in them. 00:52:13.624 --> 00:52:18.794 We shouldn't preserve them with toxins that we then inoculate young, young people 00:52:18.794 --> 00:52:25.139 with who have not yet a a mature immune system that can cope with these things. 00:52:25.979 --> 00:52:26.069 Right. 00:52:26.069 --> 00:52:27.089 And I, I think so. 00:52:27.089 --> 00:52:27.689 I think that, 00:52:29.129 --> 00:52:31.754 Rupert Isaacson: yes, maybe, maybe to have safer, safer 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:32.429 Helena Hjalmarsson: products 00:52:32.969 --> 00:52:34.169 Rupert Isaacson: or with a bit more oversight. 00:52:34.829 --> 00:52:35.129 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:52:35.129 --> 00:52:36.449 With, with a lot of oversight. 00:52:36.449 --> 00:52:38.609 Maybe more oversight than any other medications. 00:52:38.609 --> 00:52:40.529 I mean, this is our kids we're talking about. 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.794 Rupert Isaacson: One would what we can, we can pray for that, 00:52:44.969 --> 00:52:46.349 for that universe to happen. 00:52:46.889 --> 00:52:47.099 Alright. 00:52:48.299 --> 00:52:48.719 Okay. 00:52:48.959 --> 00:52:50.779 I have a, another question for Lina. 00:52:51.439 --> 00:52:51.699 Sure. 00:52:51.699 --> 00:52:51.869 Lina. 00:52:52.319 --> 00:52:56.819 When at the end of, of that last text that you read me, she said, 00:52:58.979 --> 00:53:02.369 if I didn't have the OCD, I seem to remember that's what she said. 00:53:03.219 --> 00:53:04.599 Then I wouldn't have the autism. 00:53:04.869 --> 00:53:05.439 Helena Hjalmarsson: Exactly. 00:53:05.439 --> 00:53:05.769 Yeah. 00:53:05.859 --> 00:53:06.964 I knew we were gonna ask about that. 00:53:07.149 --> 00:53:08.529 Rupert Isaacson: So here's my question for her. 00:53:08.709 --> 00:53:08.799 Yeah. 00:53:08.799 --> 00:53:12.509 If you, this is as if I'm speaking to Lina and perhaps she can answer this. 00:53:12.949 --> 00:53:15.249 If you, Lina, if you didn't have autism mm-hmm. 00:53:15.999 --> 00:53:16.839 What would you have? 00:53:16.839 --> 00:53:17.499 What would you have? 00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:18.909 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah, exactly. 00:53:18.909 --> 00:53:20.229 Let me, let me go and get her. 00:53:20.739 --> 00:53:21.099 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 00:53:21.337 --> 00:53:22.657 Helena Hjalmarsson: Lina, she has a question for you. 00:53:23.857 --> 00:53:25.747 So Ru, but can you repeat that again? 00:53:25.807 --> 00:53:26.707 Rupert Isaacson: Yes, yes. 00:53:27.127 --> 00:53:32.257 In the text that your mom read me that you had written at the end of 00:53:32.257 --> 00:53:34.837 it, it said, I think it said yes. 00:53:34.917 --> 00:53:38.937 If you didn't have the OCD, you wouldn't have the autism. 00:53:39.477 --> 00:53:44.037 So my question is, if you didn't have the autism, what would you have? 00:53:45.297 --> 00:53:45.837 Helena Hjalmarsson: Mm, yes. 00:53:46.017 --> 00:53:50.007 She said if I didn't have the, my OCD and anxiety destroys so, so much 00:53:50.007 --> 00:53:50.217 Rupert Isaacson: anxiety. 00:53:50.217 --> 00:53:50.727 That's right. 00:53:51.087 --> 00:53:53.937 Helena Hjalmarsson: If I was free of that, I wouldn't have anxiety. 00:53:53.937 --> 00:53:54.207 Yeah. 00:53:54.897 --> 00:53:55.827 Rupert Isaacson: I wouldn't have autism. 00:53:56.277 --> 00:53:57.237 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah, exactly. 00:53:57.237 --> 00:53:57.507 Yes. 00:53:57.567 --> 00:53:57.777 Sorry. 00:53:57.777 --> 00:53:57.987 So what 00:53:57.987 --> 00:53:58.527 Rupert Isaacson: would you have? 00:53:58.532 --> 00:53:58.812 What? 00:53:58.947 --> 00:53:59.607 What would you be, 00:54:00.177 --> 00:54:01.587 Helena Hjalmarsson: yeah, what would you be, what would you have in 00:54:04.562 --> 00:54:04.682 I, 00:54:07.762 --> 00:54:10.524 I think I, I would B 00:54:11.426 --> 00:54:11.996 really 00:54:12.432 --> 00:54:12.972 a 00:54:13.130 --> 00:54:14.464 lovely, okay. 00:54:14.688 --> 00:54:18.678 But you're already a lovely young woman, but I think I would 00:54:18.678 --> 00:54:20.748 be really a lovely young woman. 00:54:22.128 --> 00:54:22.518 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:54:22.518 --> 00:54:27.138 But Lina, you clearly are a lovely young woman, so, I mean, I think by 00:54:27.138 --> 00:54:31.788 anybody's standards you're a lovely young woman, so Yeah, I, I think I, 00:54:32.868 --> 00:54:35.778 do you feel you would have any, yeah. 00:54:36.708 --> 00:54:38.178 I don't know what, what's the word? 00:54:38.988 --> 00:54:40.728 Condition quirk. 00:54:41.338 --> 00:54:47.608 If you didn't have the anxiety and the OCD or like, what would you, 00:54:47.908 --> 00:54:50.278 you say, I wouldn't have autism, or do you mean I wouldn't have 00:54:50.278 --> 00:54:52.018 the negative symptoms of autism 00:54:52.433 --> 00:54:52.783 Helena Hjalmarsson: Uhhuh? 00:54:53.893 --> 00:54:54.313 Mm-hmm. 00:54:54.608 --> 00:54:56.228 I think I would myself, I.. 00:54:56.853 --> 00:54:57.423 I see 00:54:59.433 --> 00:54:59.943 Joy. 00:55:00.393 --> 00:55:04.143 I think I would myself talk about incredible joy 00:55:04.901 --> 00:55:05.351 and 00:55:06.295 --> 00:55:07.105 happiness. 00:55:07.520 --> 00:55:07.940 Rupert Isaacson: Mm-hmm. 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:14.155 Do you think that day's coming, do you feel that day is coming? 00:55:14.732 --> 00:55:14.972 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yes. 00:55:15.817 --> 00:55:15.967 My 00:55:16.501 --> 00:55:21.184 seeing, This U see it. 00:55:21.612 --> 00:55:24.492 I think my seeing it is less important. 00:55:24.552 --> 00:55:29.352 I think what is important, HeLina and Rupert is that you see it. 00:55:31.253 --> 00:55:31.543 Yeah. 00:55:32.283 --> 00:55:34.383 Rupert Isaacson: Do you want, do you want to, do you want to expand on that? 00:55:34.403 --> 00:55:34.743 On that? 00:55:34.893 --> 00:55:35.183 Yeah. 00:55:35.183 --> 00:55:35.423 Can you 00:55:35.423 --> 00:55:36.063 Helena Hjalmarsson: expand on that? 00:55:36.948 --> 00:55:37.338 I, 00:55:39.768 --> 00:55:42.648 I think the reason that I'm, that I'm saying that is that 00:55:42.648 --> 00:55:44.988 I am, I really am happy. 00:55:45.468 --> 00:55:46.533 And I 00:55:46.698 --> 00:55:47.268 think I 00:55:47.706 --> 00:55:48.640 Good want. 00:55:48.818 --> 00:55:50.110 That four? 00:55:50.586 --> 00:55:50.856 Okay. 00:55:52.086 --> 00:55:52.776 For everyone. 00:55:53.736 --> 00:55:54.396 Rupert Isaacson: Wonderful. 00:55:55.806 --> 00:55:56.256 Beautiful. 00:55:56.256 --> 00:55:56.796 Thank you. 00:55:58.506 --> 00:56:04.356 Is there any piece of writing, Lina things, we got you here now. 00:56:04.866 --> 00:56:07.716 Is there a particular piece of writing that you would like to share 00:56:09.906 --> 00:56:12.396 with the people watching this and listening to this? 00:56:13.041 --> 00:56:14.046 Helena Hjalmarsson: What do you think, Lina? 00:56:14.676 --> 00:56:15.426 I, I don't know. 00:56:15.426 --> 00:56:16.603 We have, hmm. 00:56:17.203 --> 00:56:20.293 Actually Lina, we, we don't have that much more here. 00:56:20.293 --> 00:56:25.653 Like, but there's one thing that I don't know, Lina, if you feel like 00:56:25.653 --> 00:56:29.843 sharing the stuff you just wrote, this was like a little practice test. 00:56:29.873 --> 00:56:34.283 We, Lina is, Lina wrote something else today because she was doing the testing 00:56:34.283 --> 00:56:35.993 for the placement test for the college. 00:56:35.993 --> 00:56:36.233 Which college 00:56:37.118 --> 00:56:38.578 Rupert Isaacson: is she, is she placed in for? 00:56:38.888 --> 00:56:41.113 Helena Hjalmarsson: It's Passaic in New Jersey. 00:56:41.113 --> 00:56:43.063 That's where she's going to this, this school. 00:56:43.093 --> 00:56:43.783 Fantastic. 00:56:44.173 --> 00:56:44.503 Yeah. 00:56:44.863 --> 00:56:46.213 So and she did so amazing. 00:56:46.213 --> 00:56:49.183 I was like four hours just straight. 00:56:50.113 --> 00:56:50.293 Amazing. 00:56:50.293 --> 00:56:52.363 I think that's why you are a little fry right now. 00:56:52.483 --> 00:56:52.783 Yeah. 00:56:52.783 --> 00:56:52.843 I'm 00:56:53.173 --> 00:56:53.743 Rupert Isaacson: not surprised. 00:56:54.768 --> 00:56:57.103 And we don't have to go on much longer with this one 'cause I was 00:56:57.103 --> 00:56:58.933 thinking there's so much here. 00:56:58.933 --> 00:57:01.543 I would actually very much like to pick up with you guys for part 00:57:01.543 --> 00:57:05.483 two and a part three, so we don't have to exhaust you with no. 00:57:06.808 --> 00:57:08.548 But I'm just thinking here we are. 00:57:08.548 --> 00:57:10.258 We're sort of at the hour and a half mark. 00:57:10.888 --> 00:57:11.128 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 00:57:11.578 --> 00:57:14.698 Rupert Isaacson: Perhaps this might be a point to take a break. 00:57:14.878 --> 00:57:14.938 Yeah. 00:57:15.058 --> 00:57:19.048 But before we take the break, perhaps would you just share that piece of 00:57:19.048 --> 00:57:23.068 writing and then we can leave that with the listeners and then we'll, with your 00:57:23.068 --> 00:57:25.528 permission we'll come back to follow up. 00:57:26.793 --> 00:57:27.243 Helena Hjalmarsson: What do you think? 00:57:28.383 --> 00:57:28.803 Mm-hmm. 00:57:29.743 --> 00:57:29.963 Hi. 00:57:30.465 --> 00:57:30.785 I think 00:57:31.265 --> 00:57:31.565 that 00:57:32.135 --> 00:57:32.585 sounds 00:57:33.255 --> 00:57:33.765 amazing. 00:57:34.275 --> 00:57:34.845 Rupert Isaacson: Okay, cool. 00:57:34.995 --> 00:57:35.385 Okay, 00:57:35.895 --> 00:57:36.315 Helena Hjalmarsson: so now. 00:57:37.680 --> 00:57:39.480 Yes, there was another one. 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:39.960 Okay. 00:57:40.290 --> 00:57:40.620 Alright. 00:57:40.620 --> 00:57:41.940 So which one should we pick? 00:57:41.940 --> 00:57:44.070 So, and maybe you can help us, Robert. 00:57:44.790 --> 00:57:48.000 There's, she, she did two practice tests 'cause we were just trying to prepare. 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:48.300 Right. 00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:49.920 And she has certain time. 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.110 She, it has to be like an introduction and then it has to be 00:57:52.110 --> 00:57:53.640 like a little bit of bulk of work. 00:57:53.910 --> 00:57:58.490 It has to be within a certain timeframe and then a little bit of a, a summary. 00:57:58.490 --> 00:57:58.760 Right. 00:57:59.210 --> 00:58:03.260 So now one you wrote about choosing one issue you would prioritize 00:58:03.260 --> 00:58:06.500 if you were president of the United States and the other one. 00:58:06.890 --> 00:58:09.710 Explain the value of diversity to you. 00:58:10.470 --> 00:58:11.100 Which one? 00:58:11.100 --> 00:58:12.555 The, I wanna 00:58:12.555 --> 00:58:13.910 Rupert Isaacson: hear from President Lina. 00:58:14.430 --> 00:58:15.060 Helena Hjalmarsson: Okay. 00:58:15.060 --> 00:58:15.555 Yes, yes. 00:58:15.560 --> 00:58:15.780 Yeah, 00:58:15.835 --> 00:58:16.195 Rupert Isaacson: definitely. 00:58:16.740 --> 00:58:17.160 Helena Hjalmarsson: Okay. 00:58:17.430 --> 00:58:18.660 Rupert Isaacson: I know where I'm casting my vote. 00:58:19.080 --> 00:58:19.260 Yeah. 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:19.830 Helena Hjalmarsson: Okay. 00:58:19.830 --> 00:58:20.550 Are you cool with that? 00:58:21.120 --> 00:58:21.990 Alright, good. 00:58:23.910 --> 00:58:27.390 In so many ways, every president has failed the American people. 00:58:28.335 --> 00:58:33.135 And seeing some, in seeing how someone fails, we learn about how to succeed. 00:58:34.005 --> 00:58:38.085 I think one of the biggest failures in American history is how we fail to 00:58:38.085 --> 00:58:40.245 see the earnings of the weary poor. 00:58:40.875 --> 00:58:44.415 I think a society that secludes some people from the things 00:58:44.415 --> 00:58:49.305 that other take for granted is a really sad society in my life. 00:58:49.305 --> 00:58:51.135 I have everything I could ever ask for. 00:58:51.495 --> 00:58:53.025 I see how privileged I am. 00:58:53.445 --> 00:58:56.055 I have food and clothes and a nice house to live in. 00:58:56.445 --> 00:59:00.855 I have books and computer and seeing of of many material things. 00:59:01.485 --> 00:59:04.275 If I didn't have these things, I would not be comfortable. 00:59:04.605 --> 00:59:08.715 I'm sure most poor people would do almost anything so that they could 00:59:08.715 --> 00:59:12.255 have the things I have in seeing the inequalities in this country. 00:59:12.615 --> 00:59:15.855 I wish we had a precedent that wanted it to change. 00:59:16.545 --> 00:59:19.485 I think the American people would love such a precedent. 00:59:20.130 --> 00:59:25.230 Seeing a real and compassionate soul is what opens us up to incredible generosity. 00:59:25.740 --> 00:59:29.730 A love that includes everyone is what this country needs. 00:59:30.300 --> 00:59:33.840 I so believe that a compassionate precedent is the most 00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:35.340 important need in America. 00:59:36.120 --> 00:59:41.460 Such a leader would restore this country, and its people in real transformation. 00:59:41.460 --> 00:59:42.660 Everyone benefits. 00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.410 It's a long road to restore this country, but a road forward 00:59:46.410 --> 00:59:47.700 is the only road available. 00:59:48.300 --> 00:59:52.170 I center my thoughts on being able to see incredible transformation of this 00:59:52.170 --> 00:59:57.810 land when we elect a, a compassionate precedent that service the needs of 00:59:57.810 --> 00:59:59.400 the poor, as well as the wealthy, 00:59:59.779 --> 01:00:01.369 Rupert Isaacson: beautiful words to live by. 01:00:02.089 --> 01:00:02.329 Yeah. 01:00:02.789 --> 01:00:06.419 When you begin your presidential campaign, Lina, I will, yeah. 01:00:06.869 --> 01:00:07.794 See my vote for you. 01:00:08.264 --> 01:00:08.324 Yeah. 01:00:08.984 --> 01:00:11.714 And canvassing on your behalf, but you're absolutely dead. 01:00:11.714 --> 01:00:12.044 Right? 01:00:12.124 --> 01:00:15.274 And you know, sadly, of course, a lot of the people that are attracted 01:00:15.274 --> 01:00:18.489 to the job of being president Yeah. 01:00:19.054 --> 01:00:20.884 Unfortunately are not such compassionate people. 01:00:20.884 --> 01:00:22.744 But from time to time we get one. 01:00:23.284 --> 01:00:23.524 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yeah. 01:00:23.884 --> 01:00:25.294 Rupert Isaacson: From time to time we get one. 01:00:25.684 --> 01:00:30.514 And I think your, I, I mean, you are, you are absolutely dead. 01:00:30.514 --> 01:00:30.844 Right. 01:00:30.934 --> 01:00:31.834 Basically, you're dead. 01:00:31.834 --> 01:00:32.164 Right. 01:00:32.194 --> 01:00:35.044 And it wouldn't matter which political party that person came from. 01:00:35.674 --> 01:00:35.944 Helena Hjalmarsson: No. 01:00:35.944 --> 01:00:36.244 It wouldn't. 01:00:36.364 --> 01:00:37.594 Rupert Isaacson: Compassion is compassion. 01:00:38.044 --> 01:00:38.284 Helena Hjalmarsson: Yep. 01:00:40.324 --> 01:00:41.404 Rupert Isaacson: Lina, thank you. 01:00:41.404 --> 01:00:44.044 Thank you for coming and doing this, especially after 01:00:44.044 --> 01:00:46.084 you sat that four hour exam. 01:00:46.714 --> 01:00:47.224 Yes. 01:00:47.404 --> 01:00:48.694 And I'm just blown away. 01:00:48.694 --> 01:00:53.614 I, in all the interactions that I've had with you, I've never been able to 01:00:53.614 --> 01:00:55.114 sit with you like this and converse. 01:00:55.114 --> 01:00:56.614 I, it makes me so happy. 01:00:57.424 --> 01:00:58.114 I'm 01:01:01.204 --> 01:01:02.059 it. 01:01:02.059 --> 01:01:03.604 You've gland in my heart. 01:01:06.109 --> 01:01:10.309 To in a way that it's hard for me to express because in, in, in my 01:01:10.309 --> 01:01:17.779 job, the really, part of the reason for this podcast is I, as you know, 01:01:17.779 --> 01:01:26.659 campaign and work to help people like my son and people like you and so on. 01:01:26.659 --> 01:01:30.709 And I've been led by autistic people from the get go. 01:01:30.709 --> 01:01:32.569 It was never my dream to do this. 01:01:32.929 --> 01:01:38.359 And when I first got the diagnosis with my son, I knew that I didn't know what to do. 01:01:38.629 --> 01:01:42.559 So I knew I needed to be led by autistic people because they were the only people 01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:43.879 who could understand the condition. 01:01:44.809 --> 01:01:47.539 And I, that's why I made contact with Dr. 01:01:47.539 --> 01:01:51.889 Temple Grandin, who's autistic and got mentorship from her, from the get go. 01:01:52.219 --> 01:01:54.139 But we still need more mentorship. 01:01:55.099 --> 01:01:59.479 And if things are going to change for the better people like you, people 01:01:59.479 --> 01:02:02.149 like my son, need to mentor us. 01:02:02.194 --> 01:02:02.254 Yeah. 01:02:03.424 --> 01:02:09.784 So perhaps in the next podcast that we do, with your permission, I might 01:02:10.204 --> 01:02:14.854 pose some of those questions, like, what could, and should we do better? 01:02:15.724 --> 01:02:20.824 Perhaps in the interim you could ponder those questions with no pressure. 01:02:21.424 --> 01:02:23.944 Just see, just see what bubbles up, because honestly, 01:02:23.944 --> 01:02:25.174 Lina, I need your mentorship. 01:02:25.174 --> 01:02:25.534 I do. 01:02:26.284 --> 01:02:31.024 If I don't get guidance from you and those like you, I, I'm lost. 01:02:31.834 --> 01:02:37.714 So I'm just incredibly grateful that you are sharing this with us. 01:02:37.714 --> 01:02:42.274 And you could have stayed in your world and not come forward like this, 01:02:42.514 --> 01:02:45.034 and you'd have been just as beautiful and it would've been just as valid. 01:02:45.844 --> 01:02:50.164 But as you said, you know, the fact that you did go through this excruciating 01:02:50.524 --> 01:02:56.464 process to learn how to do this really is for the benefit of all, and that was 01:02:56.464 --> 01:02:59.104 a compassionate act of yours to do that. 01:02:59.944 --> 01:03:00.754 Helena Hjalmarsson: That's a good point. 01:03:00.964 --> 01:03:01.384 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 01:03:01.654 --> 01:03:02.494 So I'm grateful. 01:03:02.614 --> 01:03:03.484 Just want to say that. 01:03:06.484 --> 01:03:07.354 Alright, my friends. 01:03:07.354 --> 01:03:12.484 Shall we, shall we wrap it for today and come back to it in a few weeks perhaps? 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