1 00:00:00,260 --> 00:00:01,690 Hello and welcome to Pickleball Therapy, 2 00:00:01,790 --> 00:00:04,770 the podcast dedicated to your Pickleball improvement. 3 00:00:04,770 --> 00:00:07,130 It's the only podcast with you in mind. 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,090 This is a special episode. 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,610 This week we're putting out an interview that I was able 6 00:00:12,610 --> 00:00:16,610 to conduct with Pickleball Pro player Dylan Frazier. 7 00:00:16,610 --> 00:00:20,090 Dylan Frazier is a fine young man who is a senior 8 00:00:20,090 --> 00:00:21,410 student at the University of Missouri, 9 00:00:21,410 --> 00:00:24,770 but he is also one of the top pro Pickleball players 10 00:00:24,770 --> 00:00:25,010 in the world. 11 00:00:25,230 --> 00:00:27,130 And I was able to sit down and chat with Dylan 12 00:00:27,230 --> 00:00:30,370 for a few minutes about his journey and also about how 13 00:00:30,370 --> 00:00:32,450 he approaches the game and from a mental side, 14 00:00:32,510 --> 00:00:35,170 as well as from a decision making side. 15 00:00:35,170 --> 00:00:36,410 I know it was the types of shots that, 16 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:37,450 that he wants to hit. 17 00:00:37,710 --> 00:00:40,050 And I think it's gonna be really helpful for you to 18 00:00:40,050 --> 00:00:43,290 listen to this podcast lot to learn from a player who 19 00:00:43,290 --> 00:00:44,250 went from 3.5 20 00:00:44,250 --> 00:00:47,250 Pickleball all the way to one being one of the top 21 00:00:47,250 --> 00:00:50,810 row players in the sport and does not have a tennis 22 00:00:50,810 --> 00:00:52,410 background. So if you don't have a tennis background, 23 00:00:52,410 --> 00:00:56,090 you're gonna really enjoy hearing from from Dylan and how he 24 00:00:56,370 --> 00:00:56,890 approaches the game. 25 00:00:57,310 --> 00:00:58,450 Before we jump into the podcast, 26 00:00:58,690 --> 00:00:59,330 a couple of notes. 27 00:01:00,260 --> 00:01:00,850 First of all, 28 00:01:00,870 --> 00:01:03,210 if you're new to the podcast and have not heard one 29 00:01:03,210 --> 00:01:04,210 of our podcasts before, 30 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:07,450 I highly recommend you check out episode 1 62. 31 00:01:07,450 --> 00:01:10,210 It'll give you a really good sense for what types of 32 00:01:10,210 --> 00:01:13,290 podcasts you're gonna get here in Pickleball Therapy and also will 33 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:15,890 help you with your game and your perspective and how you, 34 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:17,050 how you approach the game. 35 00:01:17,050 --> 00:01:17,850 It's a podcast. 36 00:01:17,850 --> 00:01:20,450 It's out of the bowl of ice cream published on October 37 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:21,090 20th. Check that one out. 38 00:01:21,090 --> 00:01:23,210 I'll give you a really good primer, 39 00:01:23,210 --> 00:01:23,610 if you will, 40 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,010 into Pickleball therapy. 41 00:01:25,830 --> 00:01:26,930 And at the end of the podcast, 42 00:01:27,710 --> 00:01:29,610 at the interview in at the end of the interview with 43 00:01:29,610 --> 00:01:32,890 Dylan, we talk about the paddle that he currently uses, 44 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,250 both for doubles and singles. 45 00:01:35,250 --> 00:01:37,570 And it happens to be same paddle that I use. 46 00:01:37,790 --> 00:01:39,690 So if you're interested in checking out more about that paddle, 47 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,410 I'll put a link down in the show notes where you 48 00:01:42,410 --> 00:01:46,890 can get a Selkirk paddle from our friends over at Selkirk 49 00:01:47,110 --> 00:01:48,410 and check out their paddles. 50 00:01:49,070 --> 00:01:50,050 And then lastly, 51 00:01:50,050 --> 00:01:50,850 before we get into it, 52 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,010 last week we had a special episode where I asked for 53 00:01:55,270 --> 00:01:58,210 any phrases that you relate to the podcast. 54 00:01:58,750 --> 00:02:00,170 If you still want to get involved with that, 55 00:02:00,170 --> 00:02:03,730 please send us any kind of phrase that that jumps out 56 00:02:03,730 --> 00:02:06,170 to you from the podcast to give you some idea. 57 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:07,890 Some of the phrases that we got were intentionality, 58 00:02:08,710 --> 00:02:09,490 get past four, 59 00:02:09,990 --> 00:02:11,450 and Pickleball is messy. 60 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:13,770 So those are just three of the ones that you wrote 61 00:02:13,770 --> 00:02:14,130 in on. 62 00:02:14,270 --> 00:02:17,290 You can send us an email at therapy at better Pickleball 63 00:02:17,390 --> 00:02:18,930 dot com and let us know. 64 00:02:19,780 --> 00:02:23,490 Enjoy my interview with Dylan Frazier. 65 00:02:23,490 --> 00:02:26,890 Super happy to have role player top pro player. 66 00:02:26,890 --> 00:02:30,050 Dylan Frazier with us on the Pickleball Therapy podcast today. 67 00:02:30,050 --> 00:02:31,490 Dylan's taking some time out from his busy schedule. 68 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,730 He's still a full-time student in addition to being a professional 69 00:02:33,730 --> 00:02:34,250 Pickleball player. 70 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:34,570 So he is. 71 00:02:34,570 --> 00:02:35,330 Got a lot going on. 72 00:02:35,420 --> 00:02:36,530 Dylan, how you doing today? 73 00:02:37,150 --> 00:02:37,690 I'm doing well, 74 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:38,170 thanks Tony. 75 00:02:38,170 --> 00:02:39,170 Thanks for having me on. 76 00:02:41,660 --> 00:02:43,020 Absolutely. It's a pleasure to have you on here, 77 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:46,060 Dylan, there are some folks that listen to who listen to 78 00:02:46,060 --> 00:02:48,700 the podcast who may not be familiar with your story. 79 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,260 Why don't you tell us a little bit about how you 80 00:02:50,260 --> 00:02:50,980 got into Pickleball? 81 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:52,220 I know your mom introduced you to it, 82 00:02:52,220 --> 00:02:53,460 but just give us a little bit of that story, 83 00:02:53,460 --> 00:02:54,340 how you got into Pickleball. 84 00:02:55,370 --> 00:02:56,300 Yeah, so my mom, 85 00:02:56,530 --> 00:02:57,100 like you said, 86 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:58,140 introduced me to the sport. 87 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,810 She had actually played while she was attending the University of 88 00:03:01,930 --> 00:03:03,410 Missouri just recreationally for fun. 89 00:03:03,910 --> 00:03:08,530 And then we were visiting my grandparents in Florida one year 90 00:03:08,590 --> 00:03:10,690 and we were looking for something to do and they suggested 91 00:03:10,690 --> 00:03:12,530 that we go to the rec center and play Pickleball there. 92 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:13,010 So we did, 93 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:15,290 and I think like a lot of people, 94 00:03:15,310 --> 00:03:16,730 we fell in love with it right away, 95 00:03:16,730 --> 00:03:17,770 kind of got the bug, 96 00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:18,170 you know, 97 00:03:18,170 --> 00:03:18,810 played one game. 98 00:03:18,810 --> 00:03:20,290 It was super easy to learn and, 99 00:03:20,670 --> 00:03:21,170 and you know, 100 00:03:21,390 --> 00:03:22,850 be decent at right away. 101 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:25,450 And, and so we had some competitive games with some of 102 00:03:25,470 --> 00:03:27,770 the, the local Florida players there and we, 103 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:29,050 we, we were hooked right away. 104 00:03:29,070 --> 00:03:31,010 So when we came back to Missouri, 105 00:03:31,810 --> 00:03:33,490 we found the show me Pickleball Club and, 106 00:03:33,490 --> 00:03:35,250 and which is the club based in Columbia, 107 00:03:35,570 --> 00:03:36,450 Missouri, where I live. 108 00:03:36,590 --> 00:03:40,410 And started playing with them and then tournaments eventually and then, 109 00:03:40,590 --> 00:03:41,170 and, and, 110 00:03:41,230 --> 00:03:41,970 and now we're here. 111 00:03:44,140 --> 00:03:46,590 Awesome. And we're gonna get into this a little more in 112 00:03:46,590 --> 00:03:48,950 detail as we go through some of your journey, 113 00:03:49,050 --> 00:03:51,230 but one of the things that's, 114 00:03:51,230 --> 00:03:53,190 that sort of sets you apart of some, 115 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:53,790 from some of the, 116 00:03:53,790 --> 00:03:57,390 the, the other batch of pro players is you didn't really 117 00:03:57,390 --> 00:03:57,750 have a, 118 00:03:57,970 --> 00:04:00,110 my understanding is you didn't really have like a tennis background 119 00:04:00,110 --> 00:04:00,950 coming into Pickleball. 120 00:04:00,950 --> 00:04:01,870 You played other sports, 121 00:04:01,870 --> 00:04:04,630 right? But not the only racket sport you played was really 122 00:04:04,630 --> 00:04:06,390 Pickleball with any kind of seriousness, 123 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:07,700 right? Yeah, 124 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:08,180 that's correct. 125 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,340 So I played a lot of baseball. 126 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:10,340 Baseball I'd say was my, 127 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,180 was my primary sport. 128 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:12,580 I did a little bit of basketball and football, 129 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,260 but it was mostly baseball. 130 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,220 And I played tennis recreationally a few times, 131 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:18,260 you know, 132 00:04:18,260 --> 00:04:19,140 with my mom and, 133 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,940 and, and some other people at the, 134 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,620 at A-Y-M-C-A maybe a few times, 135 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,300 but never competitively, 136 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:25,140 never like on a, 137 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:25,620 on a team. 138 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,020 My high school didn't have a tennis team, 139 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,580 so I never really got into tennis that much. 140 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:28,940 It was, 141 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,740 it was all mostly baseball. 142 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:33,620 And I think, 143 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:33,860 you know, 144 00:04:33,860 --> 00:04:35,380 the reason that we point that out is, 145 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,140 is in part because a lot of, 146 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:38,740 a lot of Pickleball players as you know, 147 00:04:38,740 --> 00:04:41,100 I mean a lot of Pickleball players into Pickleball without tennis 148 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,380 and then they see tennis players and say, 149 00:04:43,380 --> 00:04:44,460 well, how can I compete with that? 150 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,020 And it'll tell you Dylan Frazier's out there battling with tennis 151 00:04:47,020 --> 00:04:49,500 players week in and week out at the highest level and 152 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:50,980 is able to not only hold his own, 153 00:04:50,980 --> 00:04:53,540 but but but win many of the times against him. 154 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,020 So that's, 155 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:54,500 that's awesome. 156 00:04:55,790 --> 00:04:57,620 Let's talk a little bit about your, 157 00:04:57,810 --> 00:04:59,740 your, your improvement journey, 158 00:04:59,740 --> 00:05:01,580 right? Because you've been playing Pickleball, 159 00:05:01,580 --> 00:05:02,460 but I did my math right, 160 00:05:02,460 --> 00:05:03,700 roughly around seven years, 161 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:04,540 you know, 162 00:05:04,780 --> 00:05:06,140 starting from rec to where you are now, 163 00:05:06,140 --> 00:05:07,180 right? Yep. 164 00:05:07,250 --> 00:05:10,610 Correct. So let's talk a little bit about, 165 00:05:10,990 --> 00:05:11,290 you know, 166 00:05:11,290 --> 00:05:14,490 that journey for you in terms of like when you decided 167 00:05:14,550 --> 00:05:16,450 to take Pickleball more seriously, 168 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:19,170 right? Tell us a little bit about what that was like 169 00:05:19,170 --> 00:05:20,170 in terms of your, 170 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,690 your, the work you've put in. 171 00:05:22,350 --> 00:05:24,850 Are you drilling every week in that time period and now 172 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:27,290 and, and maybe a couple of tips that you can share 173 00:05:27,290 --> 00:05:30,290 with players about things that kind of changed your game, 174 00:05:30,290 --> 00:05:31,450 right where you went from like, 175 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:32,730 I can hold my own, 176 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:34,410 I'm pretty decent out there to okay, 177 00:05:34,430 --> 00:05:37,250 now I can compete with the best players on the plat. 178 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,570 Yeah, so there were, 179 00:05:39,570 --> 00:05:41,970 there were a lot of steps between where I started and, 180 00:05:42,030 --> 00:05:43,730 and where I'm playing now. 181 00:05:43,730 --> 00:05:44,170 Just I, 182 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:45,570 I mean I started at a 3.5 183 00:05:45,570 --> 00:05:48,450 level first tournament I played in, 184 00:05:48,450 --> 00:05:48,770 I played, 185 00:05:48,930 --> 00:05:49,170 I got, 186 00:05:49,210 --> 00:05:49,690 I medaled, 187 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:51,130 I got second and singles, 188 00:05:51,130 --> 00:05:52,250 but in the doubles didn't, 189 00:05:52,250 --> 00:05:53,010 didn't get a medal. 190 00:05:53,150 --> 00:05:55,850 So I had a long ways to go from, 191 00:05:55,850 --> 00:05:56,650 from where I started. 192 00:05:57,110 --> 00:06:00,290 I'd say once I started playing tournaments and really got interested 193 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:01,610 in, in pursuing that, 194 00:06:02,130 --> 00:06:05,690 I started to drill a little bit more and I also 195 00:06:05,690 --> 00:06:07,850 just started to play a little bit more. 196 00:06:07,930 --> 00:06:08,850 I was already playing a lot. 197 00:06:08,970 --> 00:06:09,370 I even, 198 00:06:09,370 --> 00:06:10,490 before I started playing tournaments, 199 00:06:10,490 --> 00:06:12,210 I was just playing recreationally for fun 'cause I was having 200 00:06:12,210 --> 00:06:12,930 so much fun with it. 201 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:16,970 But then once I started or decided that I wanted to, 202 00:06:17,030 --> 00:06:19,210 to play some more tournaments and see how good I can 203 00:06:19,210 --> 00:06:19,650 get, then, 204 00:06:20,030 --> 00:06:20,370 you know, 205 00:06:20,370 --> 00:06:24,450 the, the practices and and drill sessions became a little more 206 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:26,530 focused and, 207 00:06:26,590 --> 00:06:26,930 you know, 208 00:06:26,930 --> 00:06:29,650 focused on specific things I was trying to get better at. 209 00:06:29,710 --> 00:06:32,690 And so really pouring a lot of time into just getting 210 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,290 reps at shots that I needed to develop at or be 211 00:06:36,290 --> 00:06:37,810 more consistent with drilling was, 212 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:38,850 was the, 213 00:06:38,950 --> 00:06:40,130 the go-to play there. 214 00:06:40,670 --> 00:06:42,330 And then from, 215 00:06:42,330 --> 00:06:44,410 from making it to like the four oh to, 216 00:06:44,590 --> 00:06:45,850 or, or really like four, 217 00:06:45,850 --> 00:06:47,450 five to five oh and then five oh to, 218 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:48,570 to pro jump, 219 00:06:48,630 --> 00:06:52,730 it was playing against higher level players and getting term and 220 00:06:52,770 --> 00:06:55,330 experience. I would say those were the two biggest things that 221 00:06:55,330 --> 00:06:57,210 helped me grow my game. 222 00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:57,850 And I played, 223 00:06:57,970 --> 00:06:58,250 I went, 224 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:01,850 I've, I've traveled to Wichita earlier on, 225 00:07:01,890 --> 00:07:02,250 I haven't, 226 00:07:02,290 --> 00:07:03,330 I haven't as much recently, 227 00:07:03,390 --> 00:07:05,370 but, but early on when I was kind of making that 228 00:07:05,370 --> 00:07:07,650 jump from five other pro I traveled to Wichita a lot, 229 00:07:07,650 --> 00:07:09,370 played with Jay D, 230 00:07:09,410 --> 00:07:10,970 BA, Matt and Lucy, 231 00:07:12,330 --> 00:07:15,410 I stayed at Patrick Smith's house and her sex there, 232 00:07:15,410 --> 00:07:15,810 they've got, 233 00:07:15,950 --> 00:07:16,250 you know, 234 00:07:16,250 --> 00:07:18,610 a great group of players and and pros there that I 235 00:07:18,610 --> 00:07:19,490 was able to practice with. 236 00:07:19,510 --> 00:07:21,730 And that was super helpful for sure, 237 00:07:21,730 --> 00:07:23,370 just kind of seeing what that level was like, 238 00:07:23,370 --> 00:07:24,090 what shots worked, 239 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,370 what shots didn't work at that level. 240 00:07:25,870 --> 00:07:26,250 And then, 241 00:07:26,350 --> 00:07:26,650 you know, 242 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:27,770 taking what I learned from that, 243 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:31,210 going back home and drilling shots that I needed to work 244 00:07:31,210 --> 00:07:31,530 on or, 245 00:07:31,550 --> 00:07:32,330 or be better at. 246 00:07:32,470 --> 00:07:33,890 And so yeah, 247 00:07:34,390 --> 00:07:35,210 it, it was, 248 00:07:35,270 --> 00:07:36,090 it was a long process, 249 00:07:36,270 --> 00:07:36,890 but I'd say, 250 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:40,330 I'd say the two biggest things that helped were playing high 251 00:07:40,330 --> 00:07:41,610 level players and, 252 00:07:42,030 --> 00:07:43,570 and just doing a lot of drilling. 253 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Gotcha. And let me ask you, 254 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,640 because you may not remember this, 255 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,280 but one of the tournaments I I kind of chatted you 256 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,520 for for a minute and I told you, 257 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,880 you, you're like, 258 00:07:54,180 --> 00:07:56,480 we, I I refer to you a lot in terms of 259 00:07:56,540 --> 00:07:58,520 my teaching because of the, 260 00:07:58,750 --> 00:08:01,320 when you dink you have a very compact, 261 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,120 I would say simple. 262 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,280 And I don't mean that in a bad way. 263 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:04,920 I mean it in a, 264 00:08:05,020 --> 00:08:05,360 in a, 265 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,120 as a compliment. 266 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,240 I very simple dink technique. 267 00:08:08,620 --> 00:08:10,320 And so your dinks don't really break down. 268 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,560 It kind of reminds me a little bit of Colin too. 269 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,480 Like Colin has a similar kind of a, 270 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,040 a very simple dink technique, 271 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:16,800 but it works very well. 272 00:08:17,940 --> 00:08:20,840 Can you talk a little bit about just generally like the 273 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:21,280 soft game? 274 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,360 'cause you know, 275 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,280 I think players out there, 276 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,280 they see Hardballs and they go, 277 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,120 well, it's gotta be hard. 278 00:08:26,340 --> 00:08:28,800 But when I see like you and JW play, 279 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,000 when I see Colin and Ben play, 280 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:32,800 the reason I think you all win is because you all 281 00:08:32,980 --> 00:08:35,560 are disciplined in the soft game and then you have counter 282 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:36,040 attacks too. 283 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:36,560 I recognize that. 284 00:08:36,580 --> 00:08:37,760 But in terms of the soft game, 285 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:39,880 can you talk a little about the soft game and how 286 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,080 you think about it in terms of your, 287 00:08:41,150 --> 00:08:41,680 your play? 288 00:08:42,850 --> 00:08:43,660 Yeah, so the, 289 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,940 the soft game obviously super important. 290 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,860 You see the pros at the highest level thinking all the 291 00:08:48,860 --> 00:08:49,700 time back and forth. 292 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,420 And really it's just for, 293 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:53,740 for like JW and myself, 294 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,020 I'm sure for Ben and Collin, 295 00:08:55,090 --> 00:08:57,730 it's about having confidence in your ability to, 296 00:08:58,350 --> 00:08:58,690 you know, 297 00:08:58,940 --> 00:09:00,690 grind out a dink rally and, 298 00:09:00,830 --> 00:09:04,570 and to be given the first good opportunity to attack. 299 00:09:04,590 --> 00:09:07,490 And so not necessarily like the first chance you get to 300 00:09:07,490 --> 00:09:08,970 attack is always the ball you wanna attack. 301 00:09:08,970 --> 00:09:10,970 You gotta be confident in your ability to set up a, 302 00:09:11,470 --> 00:09:13,650 to work the point to a spot where you get a 303 00:09:13,650 --> 00:09:14,530 good look, 304 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:16,530 a good opportunity to attack and, 305 00:09:16,550 --> 00:09:17,130 and, and win. 306 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:21,050 The point to your comment on how my dinky motion is, 307 00:09:21,190 --> 00:09:22,650 is a little kind of more compact, 308 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:23,210 a little simple. 309 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:27,170 That's definitely intentional and it's because you need some, 310 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:28,810 or, or in my opinion or my experience, 311 00:09:28,830 --> 00:09:31,330 you need something that's a little, 312 00:09:31,330 --> 00:09:32,650 that's easy to replicate, 313 00:09:32,650 --> 00:09:35,090 right? You don't want to take this big wide swing every 314 00:09:35,090 --> 00:09:35,770 time on your dink, 315 00:09:35,770 --> 00:09:36,610 just keep it simple, 316 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:37,410 keep it compact. 317 00:09:38,130 --> 00:09:41,810 Something that's easy to replicate because consistency is, 318 00:09:42,010 --> 00:09:43,650 I think the biggest separator across, 319 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:44,050 you know, 320 00:09:44,050 --> 00:09:44,570 teams that, 321 00:09:44,570 --> 00:09:45,770 and really all levels of Pickleball, 322 00:09:45,770 --> 00:09:46,050 but even, 323 00:09:46,050 --> 00:09:46,970 even at the pro level, 324 00:09:46,970 --> 00:09:48,050 just consistency is, 325 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:49,730 is a huge separator. 326 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,970 It's why Ben and Colin have so much success. 327 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:52,570 It's, you know, 328 00:09:52,570 --> 00:09:55,680 why all the top teams that are getting on the podium, 329 00:09:55,860 --> 00:09:58,360 that's why they have a lot of success because they can, 330 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,320 they can execute shots more consistently than other teams. 331 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,280 I wouldn't say that, 332 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:04,400 I wouldn't say that any, 333 00:10:04,540 --> 00:10:06,360 any player on the tour, 334 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,120 I mean with maybe one or two exceptions has any shot 335 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:11,560 that nobody else can hit, 336 00:10:11,850 --> 00:10:12,800 right? It's not like, 337 00:10:12,830 --> 00:10:13,480 it's not like, 338 00:10:14,060 --> 00:10:14,360 you know, 339 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,080 Ben Johns is, 340 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:17,800 is out there hitting crazy and same shots that nobody else 341 00:10:17,980 --> 00:10:18,360 can do. 342 00:10:18,860 --> 00:10:19,160 You know, 343 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,080 everybody has kind of the same shots that they can hit, 344 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:24,600 but the ones that can do it nine outta 10 times 345 00:10:24,820 --> 00:10:28,080 as opposed to eight outta 10 times are the ones that 346 00:10:28,140 --> 00:10:29,520 are having more success right now. 347 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:29,840 I think. 348 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:32,640 I love it, 349 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,840 Dylan, I'm gonna quote you to all, 350 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:35,320 all of our students from here on out. 351 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:35,640 I'm gonna, 352 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,080 Hey, don't listen to me. 353 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:37,760 Listen to Dylan. 354 00:10:37,930 --> 00:10:39,080 Dylan knows what he's talking about. 355 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,200 He is out there winning Gold's, 356 00:10:40,650 --> 00:10:41,400 golds and Silvers, 357 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,720 golds and Silvers weekend and week out. 358 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:43,800 So, and congratulations by the way, 359 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:44,080 on the, 360 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:45,360 on the win this last, 361 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:46,560 last week, 362 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:47,520 the weekend before. 363 00:10:48,450 --> 00:10:48,920 Thank You. 364 00:10:49,180 --> 00:10:49,480 All right, 365 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,320 let's talk a little bit about, 366 00:10:50,370 --> 00:10:51,840 let's pivot a little bit towards the, 367 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:53,160 the mental side of the game, 368 00:10:54,060 --> 00:10:54,360 you know, 369 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,160 and, and you're still a young man and you're still growing 370 00:10:57,180 --> 00:10:57,880 as a human being, 371 00:10:57,940 --> 00:10:59,240 as as I would say, 372 00:10:59,240 --> 00:10:59,680 I'm growing too. 373 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:00,440 I'm a little older than you, 374 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,000 but you know, 375 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:01,480 we're all growing, 376 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:02,400 but you've, 377 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:02,920 you've obviously, 378 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,200 you've come a long way in the sport of Pickleball and 379 00:11:05,330 --> 00:11:08,120 let's talk a little bit about how you approach the game 380 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:09,480 when, you know, 381 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,120 I, I imagine there are situations out there when, 382 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:16,200 whether it's another player or a fan or whatever distractions occur 383 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:17,920 or potentially occur. 384 00:11:18,140 --> 00:11:19,880 How do you deal with that when you're playing at the, 385 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,880 at the highest level Pickleball in terms of staying focused on 386 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,720 what's going on on the court? 387 00:11:24,390 --> 00:11:25,800 Yeah, so just in terms of like, 388 00:11:25,870 --> 00:11:27,960 like reactions from the crowds or, 389 00:11:28,140 --> 00:11:30,680 or, or any interactions you might have with someone while you're 390 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,040 playing. I would say, 391 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:33,960 I would say, 392 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:34,280 you know, 393 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:34,720 I don't, 394 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,880 I thankfully I don't, 395 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:36,880 I don't notice it a whole lot. 396 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,080 Like once I get in the match, 397 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:39,640 I'm pretty focused and you know, 398 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,040 I've had like some friends and, 399 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,360 and family and even just some other fans come up to 400 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,520 me after the match and they're like, 401 00:11:44,740 --> 00:11:45,760 did you hear me cheering for you? 402 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,600 Did you hear what I said? 403 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,280 Like, like I was trying to be loud. 404 00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:48,720 I'm like, 405 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:49,080 I'm like, 406 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:49,960 well, I appreciate that, 407 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:50,720 thank you for the support, 408 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:51,920 but, but honestly I was, 409 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:52,920 I was locked in. 410 00:11:53,010 --> 00:11:53,850 I didn't even notice it. 411 00:11:55,070 --> 00:11:55,490 And so, 412 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:56,210 so for me, 413 00:11:56,210 --> 00:11:57,890 like once you step onto the court, 414 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:58,530 it's just, 415 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:59,370 it's just you, 416 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,730 your partner if you're playing doubles and the other team and, 417 00:12:02,230 --> 00:12:03,090 and that's all it is. 418 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:03,770 And, and I'm, 419 00:12:03,790 --> 00:12:06,690 and I kind of try to have that tunnel vision. 420 00:12:06,690 --> 00:12:07,050 Like I, 421 00:12:07,070 --> 00:12:08,290 I'm focused on the game and, 422 00:12:08,290 --> 00:12:09,010 and, and that's it. 423 00:12:09,010 --> 00:12:10,610 It's like nobody's even there watching. 424 00:12:11,070 --> 00:12:14,490 And that definitely has changed throughout the years I've been playing 425 00:12:14,490 --> 00:12:17,330 because when I first started it was definitely a distraction, 426 00:12:17,330 --> 00:12:17,610 you know, 427 00:12:17,610 --> 00:12:19,290 having people standing there watching you play, 428 00:12:19,290 --> 00:12:20,490 even when I was like at the, 429 00:12:20,910 --> 00:12:21,210 you know, 430 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,290 four, five or five oh level playing in a, 431 00:12:23,290 --> 00:12:24,410 in a final and just having, 432 00:12:24,430 --> 00:12:24,770 you know, 433 00:12:24,770 --> 00:12:27,250 like 10 or 15 people watching the matches. 434 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:27,890 Like, okay, 435 00:12:28,090 --> 00:12:29,090 I, I kind of feel a Little, 436 00:12:29,130 --> 00:12:32,690 a Little more pressure now with that many people watching and, 437 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:33,290 and, but, 438 00:12:33,430 --> 00:12:36,010 and so I'd say the biggest thing that helps me kind 439 00:12:36,010 --> 00:12:37,330 of overcome that or, 440 00:12:37,350 --> 00:12:38,850 or not be concerned about, 441 00:12:39,030 --> 00:12:39,330 you know, 442 00:12:39,330 --> 00:12:42,370 the distractions outside the court while I'm playing is just experience 443 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:44,290 over the course of, 444 00:12:44,290 --> 00:12:44,570 you know, 445 00:12:44,570 --> 00:12:46,770 however many tournaments I've played now over the course of seven 446 00:12:46,770 --> 00:12:47,490 years, I've, 447 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:49,810 it, it, 448 00:12:49,810 --> 00:12:51,170 it was a slow and gradual process, 449 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:53,330 but eventually I got to a point where it's, 450 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,770 it's doesn't bother me anymore. 451 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:56,650 Like it used to. 452 00:12:56,770 --> 00:12:58,010 I used to get a little bit nervous, 453 00:12:58,130 --> 00:12:59,690 a little bit anxious when I was playing in front of 454 00:12:59,690 --> 00:13:00,010 a crowd. 455 00:13:00,430 --> 00:13:00,850 My first, 456 00:13:01,110 --> 00:13:01,450 you know, 457 00:13:01,670 --> 00:13:03,290 Hubble Pro tournaments and I was playing in, 458 00:13:03,290 --> 00:13:06,570 in front of a crowd was a little nerve wracking, 459 00:13:06,570 --> 00:13:07,890 but, but now it's, 460 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,700 it's, it's, 461 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:10,740 it's not a problem at all. 462 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,900 And it's just because I've, 463 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:13,260 I've done it so often that I don't, 464 00:13:13,340 --> 00:13:14,740 I don't really think anything of it anymore. 465 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:19,840 Yeah, repetition is such a powerful tool in everything, 466 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,000 including that part of the, 467 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:21,600 of the game. 468 00:13:22,350 --> 00:13:23,800 Talk to me a little bit or talk to us a 469 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,360 little bit about that, 470 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:28,240 and perhaps it doesn't affect you, 471 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,120 but I know sometimes it can affect players when, 472 00:13:30,140 --> 00:13:30,440 you know, 473 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,760 when we first start out playing Pickleball, 474 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:34,960 we don't really have expectations of ourselves in terms of our 475 00:13:35,150 --> 00:13:36,360 performance, our results, 476 00:13:36,780 --> 00:13:40,280 and then at some point we start getting expectations because we 477 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,160 start winning in our groups. 478 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,040 Obviously for you it's a little bit different because you're now, 479 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,760 you're playing where you're one of the top, 480 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:46,600 you know, 481 00:13:46,810 --> 00:13:47,880 3, 4, 482 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:48,360 5, however many, 483 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:48,880 you know, 484 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,840 players in the world. 485 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:51,280 And, and so, 486 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:51,600 you know, 487 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,920 talk to us a little bit about how you manage expectations 488 00:13:54,140 --> 00:13:54,400 now that, 489 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:54,760 you know, 490 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,200 it's not Dylan from three years ago or two years ago 491 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:57,720 when if you won, 492 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:58,560 it was great if you didn't win, 493 00:13:58,780 --> 00:13:59,320 no big deal. 494 00:13:59,580 --> 00:14:00,200 Now again, 495 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,720 there's a little bit more eyes on you and things like 496 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,120 that. How do you manage that part of the game? 497 00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:06,000 Yeah, again, 498 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:06,400 I think it, 499 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,200 I think just experience at having experience being in this position 500 00:14:10,290 --> 00:14:11,800 helps, has helped a lot. 501 00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:13,440 And yeah, 502 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,000 to begin with, 503 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,840 I, I love playing from an underdog position. 504 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,200 Like if I'm not expected to win the match or I 505 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,440 feel like I'm not the favorites going into a match, 506 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,080 then usually that's when I play a little bit better. 507 00:14:22,460 --> 00:14:24,320 You're a little bit looser 'cause it's like what do you 508 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:24,680 having to lose? 509 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,880 Like if you know you lose this match, 510 00:14:26,910 --> 00:14:28,880 well it was expected anyway. 511 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:31,120 So really in that situation you have nothing to lose. 512 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,360 You can kind of play loose and, 513 00:14:32,860 --> 00:14:34,160 and and really go for the win. 514 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:34,640 And so those, 515 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,520 that's the situation I like being in the most I'd say 516 00:14:37,540 --> 00:14:38,840 is, is kind of the underdog position. 517 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:39,600 But at the same time, 518 00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:44,280 once you have established yourself as a top five player and 519 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,520 the expectations are there that, 520 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:45,720 you know, 521 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,560 you're expected to win, 522 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,840 you're expected to make it, 523 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:48,200 you know, 524 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,640 to a certain round in the tournament, 525 00:14:49,710 --> 00:14:50,680 semi-finals, finals, 526 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,530 whatever, then it should also give you a little bit more 527 00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:55,450 confidence. 'cause it's like, 528 00:14:55,450 --> 00:14:56,010 hey, you know, 529 00:14:56,570 --> 00:14:58,250 I, people are recognizing that, 530 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,050 that we're winning and making it to this, 531 00:15:00,150 --> 00:15:00,450 you know, 532 00:15:00,460 --> 00:15:01,490 round consistently. 533 00:15:01,550 --> 00:15:02,250 And, and that, 534 00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:03,010 you know, 535 00:15:03,020 --> 00:15:04,810 gives you a little bit of confidence too just, 536 00:15:04,810 --> 00:15:07,850 just knowing that the expectations are higher and that people will 537 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:09,210 expect more of you. 538 00:15:09,270 --> 00:15:09,850 So I think, 539 00:15:09,970 --> 00:15:10,530 I think that's, 540 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,650 it's, it's helpful in that sense that, 541 00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:13,050 you know, 542 00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:14,730 I'm the veteran team, 543 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:15,450 like I should be winning. 544 00:15:15,470 --> 00:15:16,290 If, if I play, 545 00:15:16,630 --> 00:15:16,930 you know, 546 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,090 good Pickleball like, 547 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:18,770 like I've, 548 00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:20,330 like I have in the past or like I, 549 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,450 like I'm capable of, 550 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,050 then I'm gonna win this match, 551 00:15:23,050 --> 00:15:23,290 you know, 552 00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:24,130 eight or nine outta 10 times. 553 00:15:24,270 --> 00:15:27,690 And, and so having that confidence helps a little bit. 554 00:15:28,750 --> 00:15:30,090 And then for the most part though, 555 00:15:30,090 --> 00:15:33,690 like when you're playing a team that you're expected to win 556 00:15:33,690 --> 00:15:35,730 against, just making sure that nothing, 557 00:15:35,730 --> 00:15:37,370 nothing changes in your game. 558 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:39,970 Like, just because it doesn't matter who's on the other side 559 00:15:39,970 --> 00:15:40,330 than that, 560 00:15:40,330 --> 00:15:41,250 right? If it's a team, 561 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:42,370 you're, that's gonna be tough. 562 00:15:42,370 --> 00:15:43,530 That might beat you. 563 00:15:43,530 --> 00:15:45,370 If it's a team that you're supposed to win against, 564 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,970 like, and either situation you're gonna, 565 00:15:47,970 --> 00:15:49,490 you're gonna play the same way and, 566 00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:50,570 and you're gonna play the ball, 567 00:15:50,570 --> 00:15:51,010 right? You're not, 568 00:15:51,010 --> 00:15:52,650 you're not gonna play your opponent. 569 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:53,450 It's, it's, 570 00:15:53,450 --> 00:15:53,730 you know, 571 00:15:54,890 --> 00:15:55,930 sticking to your strengths, 572 00:15:56,030 --> 00:15:58,530 not necessarily being concerned with what the other side of the 573 00:15:58,530 --> 00:15:59,210 net's doing to, 574 00:15:59,510 --> 00:16:00,210 to some extent, 575 00:16:00,210 --> 00:16:03,090 like, to some extent obviously different teams have different strengths and 576 00:16:03,090 --> 00:16:04,090 weaknesses that you have to be, 577 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:06,210 that you have to be aware of. 578 00:16:06,670 --> 00:16:07,890 But for the most part it's just, 579 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,170 it's just identifying what your strengths are and then making sure 580 00:16:11,170 --> 00:16:12,930 that you go out and play to those strengths and, 581 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:14,730 and execute in every single match. 582 00:16:16,730 --> 00:16:17,500 Awesome. Yeah, 583 00:16:17,540 --> 00:16:18,980 I think sticking to the plan is so important. 584 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,020 And we had the opportunity to speak with Colin, 585 00:16:21,420 --> 00:16:22,740 I think it was a couple years ago now for our 586 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:25,420 summit. He was on our summit and his biggest thing was 587 00:16:25,420 --> 00:16:26,340 discipline. He was like, 588 00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:26,700 you gotta, 589 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:27,300 you know, 590 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:28,300 you gotta stick to the, 591 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,180 you gotta be disciplined, 592 00:16:29,180 --> 00:16:30,100 right? Whatever it's you're doing. 593 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:30,740 And I would say, 594 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:31,460 you know, 595 00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:34,220 watching you and JW kind of evolve as a team. 596 00:16:34,460 --> 00:16:34,660 'cause I, 597 00:16:34,740 --> 00:16:36,780 I do watch you guys and I watch obviously Ben and 598 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:38,500 Colin and I would even say like, 599 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:38,940 if you watch, 600 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:39,500 you know, 601 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:40,180 I was gonna mention like, 602 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:40,740 you know, 603 00:16:40,860 --> 00:16:42,100 Federico and Pablo, 604 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:42,620 you know, 605 00:16:42,620 --> 00:16:44,980 they're, they're good athletes and have great hands and, 606 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:45,580 but they, 607 00:16:45,580 --> 00:16:47,940 they did really start moving up until they start got more 608 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,140 disciplined and started saying, 609 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:51,100 okay, we're gonna grind with you guys want to grind, 610 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:51,820 we'll grind too. 611 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:52,580 And then, 612 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:52,980 you know, 613 00:16:52,980 --> 00:16:55,180 that's when they've had the most success I think is that, 614 00:16:55,250 --> 00:16:57,140 that sticking to the plan kind of a thing. 615 00:16:57,140 --> 00:16:57,460 So that's, 616 00:16:57,460 --> 00:16:57,740 that's awesome. 617 00:16:58,150 --> 00:17:00,180 Lemme ask you about partner like, 618 00:17:00,180 --> 00:17:00,780 because that's, 619 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,100 you know, 620 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:01,700 obviously you, 621 00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:03,900 you and JW are I think, 622 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:04,140 you know, 623 00:17:04,170 --> 00:17:06,700 just an amazing team to watch your energy so positive. 624 00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:07,500 You know, 625 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:08,620 there's other players that are, 626 00:17:08,620 --> 00:17:09,420 who are good players, 627 00:17:09,430 --> 00:17:11,420 right? Objectively good Pickleball players, 628 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,260 excuse me. 629 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:12,660 But they, 630 00:17:13,010 --> 00:17:15,020 they don't seem to have the same kind of rapport that 631 00:17:15,020 --> 00:17:16,700 you and and JW have. 632 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:17,500 And frankly, 633 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:18,860 you guys look like you're having a great time, 634 00:17:18,860 --> 00:17:20,180 which I think is amazing, 635 00:17:20,190 --> 00:17:21,180 right? To be able to, 636 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:22,460 to succeed that, 637 00:17:22,530 --> 00:17:23,780 that that way and play, 638 00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:26,380 talk to us a little bit about like the partner energy 639 00:17:26,380 --> 00:17:27,740 and how you guys feed off of each other. 640 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,300 And I'm gonna ask you about paddle taps in a second, 641 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:30,460 but let's talk about that a little bit. 642 00:17:32,050 --> 00:17:33,180 Yeah. So for, 643 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:35,900 well for one I think it's super important to have a 644 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:36,700 partner that, 645 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:37,340 that you, 646 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:39,260 that you can play a lot of tournaments with. 647 00:17:39,340 --> 00:17:41,300 I think if you look at all of the top teams 648 00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:41,940 right now, 649 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:42,940 mixed doubles and, 650 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,180 and gender doubles that it's, 651 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:47,540 it's teams that have had a lot of experience together. 652 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:48,980 And the reason that that's helpful, 653 00:17:49,150 --> 00:17:51,410 at least for in my experience playing with jw, 654 00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:52,290 'cause in mixed doubles, 655 00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:53,130 I switch it around a lot, 656 00:17:53,150 --> 00:17:54,450 but in Vince doubles with jw, 657 00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:56,090 you know, 658 00:17:56,090 --> 00:17:57,650 kind of ha you're always on the same page, 659 00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:58,610 you know what the other one's gonna do, 660 00:17:58,610 --> 00:17:59,890 you've done it so many times together, 661 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,850 each player kind of takes on a specific role so that 662 00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:04,690 the other player, 663 00:18:05,030 --> 00:18:07,410 the other teammate knows what the other player's gonna do. 664 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:10,530 And then you kind of just develop a rhythm and, 665 00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:11,250 and you know, 666 00:18:11,470 --> 00:18:14,410 you have certain plays and certain spots that you like to 667 00:18:14,410 --> 00:18:16,170 target on the court that the other, 668 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:17,650 your partner is aware of. 669 00:18:17,670 --> 00:18:20,610 And so just kind of knowing what's gonna happen, 670 00:18:20,670 --> 00:18:22,570 at least from your side of the net at all times 671 00:18:22,910 --> 00:18:24,970 is, is super helpful and it really helps you get into 672 00:18:24,970 --> 00:18:25,250 a rhythm, 673 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,210 know where to look for the ball. 674 00:18:27,210 --> 00:18:29,290 And it's just the little things like that I think make 675 00:18:29,290 --> 00:18:29,970 a huge difference. 676 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:35,010 And I think it's also important to have for playing with 677 00:18:35,010 --> 00:18:36,570 someone that you get along with and, 678 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:39,490 and that you like as a person off the court on, 679 00:18:39,490 --> 00:18:42,930 in and off the court because then you want to, 680 00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:43,290 you know, 681 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:43,810 you want to, 682 00:18:43,810 --> 00:18:45,650 you wanna win for them as much as you wanna win 683 00:18:45,650 --> 00:18:46,170 for yourself. 684 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:47,170 And so that just, 685 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,810 that is important for establishing, 686 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:50,090 you know, 687 00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:50,690 good chemistry, 688 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:51,010 a good, 689 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,050 a good connection with your, 690 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,410 with your partner for, 691 00:18:53,470 --> 00:18:54,370 for JW and I, 692 00:18:54,370 --> 00:18:56,610 we like to try to keep it light on the court. 693 00:18:56,730 --> 00:18:57,010 I think, 694 00:18:57,790 --> 00:18:58,090 you know, 695 00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:59,050 it never hurts for, 696 00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:59,610 for us to, 697 00:18:59,610 --> 00:19:00,890 like they in a timeout or something, 698 00:19:00,910 --> 00:19:01,210 you know, 699 00:19:01,210 --> 00:19:04,570 bring up something unrelated to the match that's going on. 700 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:07,090 Just something that we encountered off the court or something that 701 00:19:07,090 --> 00:19:08,010 we thought was funny and, 702 00:19:08,010 --> 00:19:10,170 and just trying to keep it light because it loosens you 703 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:10,730 up a little bit, 704 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,090 kind of takes some of that tension and, 705 00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:14,250 and, and pressure off of you. 706 00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:14,890 And then you can, 707 00:19:15,310 --> 00:19:15,650 you know, 708 00:19:15,790 --> 00:19:16,610 if if if, 709 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:17,010 if he, 710 00:19:17,010 --> 00:19:18,410 if I can get him to laugh or he can get 711 00:19:18,410 --> 00:19:18,930 me to laugh, 712 00:19:18,930 --> 00:19:19,370 that's always, 713 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:21,370 that's always a good thing because it means we're loose, 714 00:19:21,570 --> 00:19:21,970 we're happy, 715 00:19:22,030 --> 00:19:22,330 you know, 716 00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:24,650 and we're gonna go out there and, 717 00:19:24,670 --> 00:19:25,970 and, and have a good time and, 718 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:28,370 and, and play our best Pickleball in that situation. 719 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:31,090 And then, 720 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:32,450 yeah, so I'd say, 721 00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:34,690 I'd say playing with a partner that you enjoy being around 722 00:19:34,790 --> 00:19:37,210 on and off the court and then just having consi the 723 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:39,690 consistency of playing with the same person for a lot of 724 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:44,010 tournaments. I got to watch you and JW play in the 725 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,130 semi-finals at nationals and JWS hair was amazing. 726 00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:49,690 I I told Julie his mom, 727 00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:50,890 I was like that hair if, 728 00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:51,490 if he can, 729 00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:53,170 and if you could do the same thing with your hair 730 00:19:53,170 --> 00:19:54,770 in the back where you can let it like bedhead in 731 00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:55,450 the back that would look, 732 00:19:55,450 --> 00:19:58,170 you guys would come out with a beautiful boy of hair 733 00:19:58,170 --> 00:19:58,610 in the back. 734 00:19:58,610 --> 00:19:59,410 It looks amazing. 735 00:20:00,050 --> 00:20:01,770 I think it's the best favorite Pickleball I think. 736 00:20:01,790 --> 00:20:02,370 But anyway, 737 00:20:03,910 --> 00:20:05,570 and the other thing I wanted to mention is you, 738 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:06,970 you guys don't seem to like, 739 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:09,210 you see partners who like, 740 00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:09,610 you know, 741 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:12,250 a player misses a shot and the other player either turns 742 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,770 away or rolls their eyes or the shoulder slumpy all the 743 00:20:14,770 --> 00:20:17,690 things. I've frankly never seen you guys do that. 744 00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:19,330 So talk to us a little bit about that, 745 00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:19,730 like the, 746 00:20:19,790 --> 00:20:20,370 how you feel. 747 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,330 Obviously you're gonna miss shots and obviously JWS gonna miss shots. 748 00:20:23,410 --> 00:20:24,370 I mean there's no way around that, 749 00:20:24,670 --> 00:20:26,610 but I've never seen you guys get on each other over 750 00:20:26,610 --> 00:20:27,650 that kind of thing and, 751 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:29,930 and, and without naming names, 752 00:20:29,930 --> 00:20:32,170 right? I mean maybe talk about like how you felt playing 753 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,450 partner again, 754 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:33,930 no names I, 755 00:20:33,930 --> 00:20:34,450 we don't need names, 756 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:34,970 but, you know, 757 00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:37,090 playing with a partner who doesn't support you like that, 758 00:20:37,090 --> 00:20:39,860 where you know that if somebody attacks you and you miss 759 00:20:39,860 --> 00:20:42,140 the, the the backhand counter punch, 760 00:20:42,370 --> 00:20:43,420 it's not the end of the world, 761 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:43,740 you know, 762 00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:44,620 you'll get another chance. 763 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:46,830 Yeah, I think it, 764 00:20:46,910 --> 00:20:47,400 I think it, 765 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,560 I think it makes a little difference. 766 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:48,960 And again, 767 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,480 once you get, 768 00:20:49,580 --> 00:20:49,880 you know, 769 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:50,280 to that, 770 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:51,200 to that highest level, 771 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,960 anything that makes a little difference, 772 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,240 you're, you're definitely willing to do because it gives you a 773 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,840 little bit of an edge and you're just trying to find 774 00:20:56,860 --> 00:20:59,320 all those little things that might separate you from the rest 775 00:20:59,320 --> 00:20:59,840 of the field. 776 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,560 And so this is, 777 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,080 I I would, 778 00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:02,960 I'd consider one of those little things that you can do 779 00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:06,560 to, to kinda help you and your partner out JW and 780 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,000 I like to, 781 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:07,520 like you said, 782 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,680 paddle tap pretty frequently and, 783 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,280 and, and it's just a form of positive reinforcement like, 784 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,120 hey, you know, 785 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:14,520 you missed that shot but it's okay, 786 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,840 I want you to keep going for it. 787 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,240 That, you know, 788 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,120 that was the correct shot, 789 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:18,680 I'm with you on that, 790 00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:19,760 I'm ready for you to do that. 791 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:21,320 So, so don't hesitate to do it, 792 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:22,000 you know, 793 00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:23,480 in the next few points. 794 00:21:24,260 --> 00:21:25,920 And so having that positive reinforcement, 795 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,520 knowing that your partner's not gonna get upset for you going 796 00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:30,880 for a shot and missing I think is, 797 00:21:31,060 --> 00:21:31,760 is really helpful. 798 00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:32,840 Some players, 799 00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:34,520 some players respond differently though. 800 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,040 Some players I would say don't need that positive reinforcement. 801 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,520 They're kind of more independently motivated I guess you could say. 802 00:21:40,620 --> 00:21:42,160 And, and regardless if they, 803 00:21:42,820 --> 00:21:43,120 you know, 804 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:46,000 make or miss a shot or if their partner gives 'em 805 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,600 an eye roll or, 806 00:21:46,620 --> 00:21:47,760 or gives 'em a paddle tip, 807 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,080 like whatever the outcome they're, 808 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,080 they're gonna keep, 809 00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:50,480 you know, 810 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,480 doing whatever they think is gonna give 'em the best shot 811 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:52,840 of winning. 812 00:21:53,730 --> 00:21:56,720 Other players definitely kind of feed off their partner's energy and 813 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,400 when they see their partner get down, 814 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:58,920 I would say, 815 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,320 I would say everybody to some extent, 816 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,920 when they see their partner get down, 817 00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:04,680 kind of brings the energy of the team down a little 818 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,720 bit and when they see that their partner's up or, 819 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,600 or they're not upset, 820 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,120 they're, you know, 821 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:08,960 they're positive with you, 822 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,320 then it, 823 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,640 it's gonna bring the energy of the team up a little 824 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,080 bit. And, 825 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:12,880 and for some, 826 00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:15,400 for some people that effect is greater than it is for 827 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,560 others. But I think in all cases, 828 00:22:17,780 --> 00:22:18,120 you know, 829 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,600 having positive energy on the court is super helpful and, 830 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,320 and is one of those little things that will help separate 831 00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:24,200 you from the field. 832 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:28,040 I'm gonna keep counting your paddle taps 'cause I think I 833 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,520 mentioned to you before we got on that I've counted three 834 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:31,240 before serve, 835 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:31,760 which again, 836 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,200 I applaud. 837 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,480 I think it's get to seven, 838 00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:34,080 it'd be amazing, 839 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:35,360 but I'm gonna keep counting, 840 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:36,120 I'll let you know if I, 841 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:36,360 if I, 842 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:37,640 if I see more than three I'll let you know. 843 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,480 Hey, minute so and so I got one more, 844 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,680 one more question for you then well three more questions, 845 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,480 but one question about the game and then I wanna ask 846 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,520 you a little bit about your play. 847 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:47,400 Which paddle are you using and a little bit about, 848 00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:52,080 we have a a a a friend in common in Kansas 849 00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:53,480 City and we'll talk about that in a second, 850 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:57,960 but I I think I'd be remiss not to ask the 851 00:22:58,120 --> 00:22:58,520 question about, 852 00:22:59,460 --> 00:22:59,760 you know, 853 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,920 facing tennis players perhaps versus playing non tennis players. 854 00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:05,480 Do you, 855 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:07,000 is there anything different when you're playing, 856 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,360 whether it's a, 857 00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:10,640 an Arnold or a stock shooter or somebody like that, 858 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:13,000 or you're playing against like an AJ Kohler who's a hockey 859 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,000 background. Is there anything different that you're noticing in terms of 860 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,960 the tennis players coming in and what they're bringing to the 861 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,080 sport and having to adapt to that type of play? 862 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:22,470 Yeah, there are, 863 00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:23,550 there are differences. 864 00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:26,270 I'd say the differences are more subtle and doubles than they're 865 00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:26,790 singles. You know, 866 00:23:26,790 --> 00:23:28,230 singles, a tennis player can, 867 00:23:28,530 --> 00:23:29,110 can come in, 868 00:23:29,150 --> 00:23:31,230 a high level tennis player can come in and be competitive, 869 00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:31,870 you know, 870 00:23:31,890 --> 00:23:35,950 and, and proco ball singles a little more ease more easily 871 00:23:35,980 --> 00:23:39,150 than, than you can coming from any other like high level 872 00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:39,950 sports background. 873 00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:43,790 And so what the tennis players are doing a lot is 874 00:23:43,790 --> 00:23:44,270 they're, and, 875 00:23:44,270 --> 00:23:46,450 and as the paddle technology is improving, 876 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,010 players are able to generate a lot more spin on the 877 00:23:50,010 --> 00:23:51,370 ball. And so to begin with, 878 00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:51,610 you know, 879 00:23:51,610 --> 00:23:53,490 a few years ago you couldn't, 880 00:23:53,670 --> 00:23:53,970 you know, 881 00:23:53,970 --> 00:23:55,770 you couldn't come in and hit the Pickleball the same way 882 00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:57,970 you could hit a tennis ball because the Pickleball didn't respond 883 00:23:58,230 --> 00:24:00,010 the same way that a tennis ball did to a tennis 884 00:24:00,290 --> 00:24:01,850 racket. Like you couldn't generate as much spin, 885 00:24:02,790 --> 00:24:03,250 you couldn't, 886 00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:03,610 you know, 887 00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:07,530 couldn't get as much re reaction from the ball based off 888 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:08,330 what you do to it, 889 00:24:08,770 --> 00:24:09,050 I think. 890 00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:13,250 But now since the player or since the paddles have improved 891 00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:14,810 and, and the players are getting better, 892 00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:18,530 players are able to kind of do that more tendency swing 893 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,250 with their paddle and, 894 00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:20,970 and you know, 895 00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:24,050 still keep the ball in because before oftentimes it would go 896 00:24:24,050 --> 00:24:25,090 out it was hard to control. 897 00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:25,890 But, but players, 898 00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:29,050 Connor Garnett's a really good example of someone that's coming in 899 00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:31,050 and, and getting a lot of spin on all of his 900 00:24:31,050 --> 00:24:33,330 shots and he's got a two handed back end while the 901 00:24:33,330 --> 00:24:34,530 tennis players that are coming in, 902 00:24:34,910 --> 00:24:35,210 you know, 903 00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:36,810 will take their two handed back end that they had with 904 00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:37,650 him from tennis and, 905 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:39,610 and, and use it in pickle wall for doubles two, 906 00:24:39,610 --> 00:24:41,490 like they'll have the two ended back encounter, 907 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:42,530 you know, 908 00:24:42,530 --> 00:24:43,530 the two ended backend drop. 909 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:45,650 I think that's becoming a little more prevalent in the sport. 910 00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:48,410 I think players that don't have a two ended backend are, 911 00:24:48,430 --> 00:24:53,010 are trying to develop one right now just because there's some 912 00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:57,290 advantages in certain situations to having one and then for, 913 00:24:57,290 --> 00:24:58,650 and, and doubles for the most part. 914 00:24:59,150 --> 00:24:59,450 You know, 915 00:24:59,450 --> 00:25:03,170 everybody's, everybody's technique is a little bit different just because, 916 00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:03,530 you know, 917 00:25:03,780 --> 00:25:04,850 maybe they came from tennis, 918 00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:08,090 I'd say you could definitely notice a difference between the technique 919 00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:10,050 of a tennis player versus a non tennis player. 920 00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:13,290 But even tennis players have differences in, 921 00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:14,010 in techniques that, 922 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:14,370 you know, 923 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,610 were different in tennis too. 924 00:25:16,510 --> 00:25:19,690 And so I think at the doubles everything is a little 925 00:25:19,690 --> 00:25:21,050 more similar just because, 926 00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:21,450 you know, 927 00:25:21,550 --> 00:25:24,850 you eliminate that big backswing that you have in that you 928 00:25:24,850 --> 00:25:25,610 have in tennis and, 929 00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:26,610 and obviously a lot of, 930 00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:28,850 a lot of the play is at the kitchen line, 931 00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:31,210 so you really have to shorten everything up and make everything 932 00:25:31,690 --> 00:25:32,650 a little more compact. 933 00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:34,610 And so the technique is different, 934 00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:35,130 but everybody, 935 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:37,610 I think once they get to the kitchen light is try 936 00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:38,330 to do the same thing, 937 00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:42,210 which is kind of generate or develop a shorter compact stroke 938 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:42,770 with their, 939 00:25:42,770 --> 00:25:43,930 with their paddle to keep it, 940 00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:44,330 you know, 941 00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:47,610 simple, easy to replicate so that they're more consistent. 942 00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:49,890 And then once you start the, 943 00:25:50,030 --> 00:25:50,330 you know, 944 00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:51,010 the firefights, 945 00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:52,810 the, the quick exchanges at the net, 946 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,130 then I think everybody is, 947 00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:57,170 is fairly similar. 948 00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:58,290 I know I, 949 00:25:58,370 --> 00:25:59,170 I know AJ Kohler, 950 00:25:59,170 --> 00:26:00,490 who you mentioned has a hockey background, 951 00:26:00,510 --> 00:26:03,370 he kind of has a unique counter because he can get 952 00:26:03,370 --> 00:26:05,170 the paddle head straight up like here and just kind of 953 00:26:05,170 --> 00:26:06,770 slap it down like that. 954 00:26:06,790 --> 00:26:08,930 And that's something I think a lot of tennis players don't 955 00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:10,290 have just 'cause that's a little bit foreign to them. 956 00:26:10,290 --> 00:26:13,050 That's not emotion that they had to do in tennis a 957 00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:13,570 whole lot. 958 00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:15,930 I'm kind of similar in that sense. 959 00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:16,970 I don't do it quite as, 960 00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:21,090 as extreme as aj but close and similar in that regard. 961 00:26:21,150 --> 00:26:21,690 And so there, 962 00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:24,970 there are some subtle differences once you get up to the, 963 00:26:24,970 --> 00:26:25,730 to the kitchen line, 964 00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:28,450 but for the most part everybody's trying to do the same 965 00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:31,850 thing and so it might look a little bit different, 966 00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:33,570 but the ball that's coming to you is the, 967 00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:38,940 is the same off anybody's battle It sounds like strategically at 968 00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:42,020 a fundamental level in doubles the game is pretty similar, 969 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:42,660 you know, 970 00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:45,170 maybe the tennis players have a different looking drive on the 971 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:45,930 third or something like that. 972 00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:46,610 But other than that, 973 00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:46,890 I mean, 974 00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:48,570 once you get into the meat of the matter it's, 975 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,170 it's, the strokes will feel different, 976 00:26:50,170 --> 00:26:52,210 but fundamentally we're playing a similar game, 977 00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:53,050 which is right, 978 00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:55,130 great for non tennis players out there. 979 00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:55,570 They can, 980 00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:58,290 you can know that you can play a really good Pickleball 981 00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:01,810 game without ever developing a tennis stroke as part of your 982 00:27:01,810 --> 00:27:02,570 Pickleball game. 983 00:27:03,260 --> 00:27:03,930 Lemme ask you, 984 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:06,610 I know you're playing with a Selkirk paddle, 985 00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:11,860 right? And which paddle are you using and why do you 986 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:12,100 like it? 987 00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:13,900 Yeah, I, 988 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,140 so right now I'm using the, 989 00:27:15,140 --> 00:27:16,660 the O2 paddle from Soki. 990 00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:17,900 I think Selkirk makes a lot of, 991 00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:19,340 a lot of great paddles and, 992 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:20,180 and they're super, 993 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:20,940 you know, 994 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,980 one of the innovators in our sport I'd say in terms 995 00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:23,820 of paddle technology, 996 00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:25,140 they're always working on something new, 997 00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:26,860 trying to come out with a new paddle release, 998 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:27,900 a new paddle series. 999 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,660 So they're keeping up with the paddle technology, 1000 00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:34,260 which is something that I appreciate for sure right now the 1001 00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:35,780 paddle that they have out there that I like the best 1002 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,340 is the oh two paddle and I was going back and 1003 00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:41,420 forth between the Power air paddle and the, 1004 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,820 and the OO two and, 1005 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:45,060 and just recently I think I've decided that I'm gonna stick 1006 00:27:45,290 --> 00:27:47,500 with the O2 paddle has a little more power, 1007 00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:49,580 it's a little bit thicker, 1008 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,300 so, so it's a little bit easier to control on, 1009 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:52,980 on dinks and, 1010 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,420 and resets and drops. 1011 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:57,180 I think the Power air paddle was, 1012 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,740 was nice though it's a little bit thinner, 1013 00:27:58,740 --> 00:28:01,340 it's a little more maneuverable in the air so you can, 1014 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,300 you can do a little more risky shots with it, 1015 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:05,700 which are higher risk. 1016 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,060 But, but at the same time, 1017 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:10,260 like if you can add something new or unique to your, 1018 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:10,940 to your arsenal, 1019 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,260 that's helpful to use every once in a while. 1020 00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:13,540 So I like the power air for that reason. 1021 00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:16,420 I think I might stick with the Power air for singles 1022 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,340 as well just because for me my ground stroke is a 1023 00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:21,460 little bit better with that paddle than the, 1024 00:28:21,490 --> 00:28:22,460 than the O2. 1025 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:23,900 But yeah, 1026 00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:26,860 Soki Soki has lots of great paddles out there. 1027 00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:29,460 I think the O2 and their and their Power air personally 1028 00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:31,460 are my favorites and I think that they best ones that 1029 00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:31,700 they have, 1030 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,740 I'm gonna have to try out the O2 'cause I'm playing 1031 00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:36,340 with the Power Air, 1032 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:37,620 but you sold me on the OO two, 1033 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:37,980 I'm gonna, 1034 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,420 I'm gonna gimme one of them and check it out. 1035 00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:43,380 Yeah. And then the last thing I wanted to touch base 1036 00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:43,860 with you on is, 1037 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:44,900 I know you're in Missouri, 1038 00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:45,620 I know you're a, 1039 00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:46,420 you're, you're, 1040 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,580 you're a senior at Nursing Missouri from, 1041 00:28:48,650 --> 00:28:50,300 from, from what I've been told. 1042 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,340 So congratulations on continuing the work. 1043 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,860 But we have a friend that started in Missouri, 1044 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,220 the good folks at Chicken and Pickle and, 1045 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,580 and we had the opportunity, 1046 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,700 the better Pickleball team. 1047 00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:01,220 We were in Dallas, 1048 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,380 we had the opportunity to check it out and play a 1049 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:04,500 little Pickleball and get some the, 1050 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:05,420 the, the food is amazing, 1051 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,060 the food is, 1052 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,940 the Pickleball is great, 1053 00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:07,900 but the food is phenomenal. 1054 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,060 And so my understanding is that folks might see you where 1055 00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:14,300 sometimes, but Where, 1056 00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:17,740 yeah, so at the downtown North Kansas City location, 1057 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:18,380 chicken and Pickle, 1058 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,620 I'm there every once in a while, 1059 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,900 or actually more recently than that, 1060 00:29:20,980 --> 00:29:24,460 I was actually at the Overland Park location in Kansas City. 1061 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,820 So I'll go up there and do some events there or 1062 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,180 you know, 1063 00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:30,020 maybe just practice every once in a while. 1064 00:29:31,450 --> 00:29:32,220 Yeah, Dave Johnson, 1065 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,700 the owner of Chicken and Pickle is also a Mizzou graduate, 1066 00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:35,900 so we kind of had that connection. 1067 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:38,260 That's how we initially got connected. 1068 00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:38,620 But yes, 1069 00:29:38,740 --> 00:29:39,540 I, I agree with you. 1070 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:41,810 The the food at Chicken and Pickle is amazing. 1071 00:29:42,290 --> 00:29:43,090 If you're gonna eat there, 1072 00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:44,890 I highly recommend the pickled chicken sandwich. 1073 00:29:45,130 --> 00:29:45,930 I get it every time. 1074 00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:49,690 And then obviously they've got Pickleball courts there that you can 1075 00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:51,730 enjoy while you're there. 1076 00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:54,600 The, the only thing I'm gonna, 1077 00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:54,920 I'm gonna, 1078 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,240 I have to reach out to the folks Chicken Pickle, 1079 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,640 they gotta call it the Dylan Frazier, 1080 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,120 you know, 1081 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,040 pickled chicken sandwich or something, 1082 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,000 right? I mean yeah, 1083 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000 get all the Selkirk, 1084 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,560 the Selkirk Dylan Frazier paddle. 1085 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,680 I'm gonna reach out to, 1086 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,040 you know, 1087 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,840 Mike and 'em say, 1088 00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:07,360 Hey, where's what, 1089 00:30:07,410 --> 00:30:09,320 where, where's the Dylan Frazier paddle? 1090 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,080 So I give you one of them. 1091 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,960 So awesome. 1092 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,480 No, and it was a pleasure chatting with you. 1093 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,960 Really appreciate love the way you carry yourself in the sport, 1094 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:16,760 not just the way you play, 1095 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:17,560 you're an amazing player, 1096 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,320 but just, 1097 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:18,560 you know, 1098 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,960 you're such a positive influence for the sport and I love 1099 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,240 what you're doing out there playing Pickleball. 1100 00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:23,760 Anytime you want to be on the podcast, 1101 00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:27,160 you let us know and good luck with the remainder of 1102 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,200 your college year and, 1103 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:29,280 and everything else on the tour. 1104 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,120 I'll be looking out for you. 1105 00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:31,520 Well, I appreciate that. 1106 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,200 Thanks for having me on, 1107 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,880 Tony, It was a pleasure to interview Dylan for this podcast. 1108 00:30:37,540 --> 00:30:37,840 You know, 1109 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:38,760 his perspective, 1110 00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:39,720 even though he is a, 1111 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:40,520 he's a young man, 1112 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:41,200 you know, 1113 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,400 moving from 3.5 1114 00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:45,200 up to a top row player gives a player a unique 1115 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,280 perspective in terms of how they relate to the sport and 1116 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,120 how he approaches the sport and also the decision making, 1117 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,320 right? The types of shots that he thinks are important or 1118 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,760 knows are important given the way that he plays Pickleball. 1119 00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:58,360 As I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, 1120 00:30:58,620 --> 00:30:59,600 and I'll repeat it here, 1121 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:02,480 is if you want to try one of the paddles that 1122 00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:04,360 you heard Dylan and I chatting about, 1123 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,480 there'll be a link in the show notes as well as 1124 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,960 a code that you could use at checkout. 1125 00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:11,040 And if you haven't heard our podcast before, 1126 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,520 checkout episode 1 62. 1127 00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:14,920 Again, it's a published on October 20th, 1128 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,880 has to do with a bowl of ice cream. 1129 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,520 I think you'll find it super helpful to you and your 1130 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,720 journey. And lastly, 1131 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,680 if you're hearing this before the holidays, 1132 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,800 we have a holiday gift card. 1133 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,360 I'll put a link down in the description below. 1134 00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:25,640 You can check that out there. 1135 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,600 I hope you enjoyed the interview with Dylan Frazier. 1136 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,440 Again, thank you Dylan, 1137 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,240 for coming on to the Pickleball Therapy podcast and I'll see 1138 00:31:33,220 --> 00:31:34,080 you in our next podcast.