1 00:00:05,773 --> 00:00:09,936 Hello everybody and welcome to the Modernize or Die podcast. 2 00:00:09,936 --> 00:00:11,867 Today is April 15th. 3 00:00:11,867 --> 00:00:13,908 This is episode 231. 4 00:00:13,908 --> 00:00:17,640 My name is Eric Peterson, happy to be with you and I'm joined by Mr. 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,911 Daniel Garcia. 6 00:00:19,253 --> 00:00:20,420 Eric, how are you doing today? 7 00:00:20,420 --> 00:00:21,493 I'm doing pretty great. 8 00:00:21,493 --> 00:00:26,504 Weather's turning up here in Utah and I can send my kids outside and it makes me very happy. 9 00:00:26,504 --> 00:00:28,603 Do they stay outside or do want to come back in? 10 00:00:28,603 --> 00:00:29,814 They do, they do. 11 00:00:29,814 --> 00:00:33,136 And we enjoy going on family walks together in the evening. 12 00:00:33,136 --> 00:00:35,053 So we like the nicer weather. 13 00:00:35,053 --> 00:00:42,234 Of course, in Utah, it's gonna like get super cold again this week and then jump into the 90s. 14 00:00:42,234 --> 00:00:44,485 So only a little bit of nice weather. 15 00:00:45,013 --> 00:00:48,906 So it's also a tax day and I'm going to throw this out there. 16 00:00:48,906 --> 00:00:54,310 So I've been doing at Ortus have a fun house and I've been putting dad jokes and I got a dad joke calendar. 17 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:56,811 And today was a dad joke about taxes. 18 00:00:56,891 --> 00:00:58,832 It says, I don't do my own taxes. 19 00:00:58,832 --> 00:01:00,644 I'm just not into it. 20 00:01:00,644 --> 00:01:02,345 Get it into it. 21 00:01:02,631 --> 00:01:06,049 unfortunately unfortunately 22 00:01:06,049 --> 00:01:06,980 that as a regular feature. 23 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:08,672 was just, it's tax day. 24 00:01:08,894 --> 00:01:13,133 And if you haven't gotten your taxes yet, finish this episode then go do them. 25 00:01:13,133 --> 00:01:15,455 Dad Joke Corner brought to you by Daniel. 26 00:01:15,455 --> 00:01:16,816 Thank you, Daniel. 27 00:01:17,897 --> 00:01:19,960 Well, let's jump into some Ortus news. 28 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:22,083 Into the box, just around the corner. 29 00:01:22,083 --> 00:01:23,745 The end of the month, really. 30 00:01:23,745 --> 00:01:28,065 I guess it's technically April, May, but consider it April. 31 00:01:28,065 --> 00:01:29,838 No workshops are April 30th. 32 00:01:29,838 --> 00:01:33,172 I like I should know this since I'm given a workshop. 33 00:01:33,814 --> 00:01:35,734 April 30th is the workshop day. 34 00:01:35,734 --> 00:01:38,435 Okay, it is end of the month. 35 00:01:38,815 --> 00:01:41,286 So we only have 20 on-site tickets left. 36 00:01:41,286 --> 00:01:50,501 So if you've been kicking the can down the road procrastinating, like stop what you're doing, go to intothebox.org and order your tickets. 37 00:01:50,501 --> 00:01:53,032 Workshops only available for our on-site attendees. 38 00:01:53,032 --> 00:01:57,123 It looks like we have three spots left for our getting started with BoxLang. 39 00:01:57,484 --> 00:02:00,285 And we have some other great options to consider as well. 40 00:02:01,127 --> 00:02:04,728 Team packs are available, that's the only way to get early bird pricing right now. 41 00:02:04,728 --> 00:02:07,378 Buy one, get one half off, or buy two, get one free. 42 00:02:07,378 --> 00:02:08,752 me post these links. 43 00:02:08,752 --> 00:02:12,424 you are not gonna be able to make it in person, we're really sad. 44 00:02:12,424 --> 00:02:16,918 This is gonna be epic into the box, but you can get our virtual ticket. 45 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:21,302 Today is the last day to get Early Bird online ticket pricing. 46 00:02:21,302 --> 00:02:23,683 We'll throw that link in our show notes. 47 00:02:24,123 --> 00:02:30,678 If you don't buy today, you're up to the normal virtual price, but you can still pick those up all the way up to the start of the conference. 48 00:02:31,417 --> 00:02:34,071 fair, our normal virtual price is pretty reasonable. 49 00:02:34,071 --> 00:02:37,896 Considering all the content you get, it's just if you want to be even more reasonable. 50 00:02:38,247 --> 00:02:42,412 All of these prices are very reasonable for a conference, head over to those links. 51 00:02:42,412 --> 00:02:44,295 Again, we hope to see you there in person. 52 00:02:44,295 --> 00:02:49,119 And we'll tell you there's a big special reason why we'll get to later in this podcast. 53 00:02:49,420 --> 00:02:50,094 Can't wait. 54 00:02:50,094 --> 00:02:51,651 We have some product updates. 55 00:02:51,651 --> 00:02:55,104 Daniel, do want to tell us about Command Box 6.2? 56 00:02:55,230 --> 00:02:58,891 They do CommandBox 6.2.0. 57 00:02:58,891 --> 00:03:00,711 That point zero is very important. 58 00:03:00,711 --> 00:03:02,011 It was released. 59 00:03:02,091 --> 00:03:13,011 We've got nine tickets with several bug fixes and some new features including the Jakarta server support, which is important for BoxLang and ACF 2025 and Lucee seven. 60 00:03:13,011 --> 00:03:17,311 Some new changes with those that we need to make sure that CommandBox box supports. 61 00:03:17,602 --> 00:03:20,614 one of my new favorite features is a server warmup URLs. 62 00:03:20,614 --> 00:03:27,886 So that way when you start the site, you can automatically kick off some URLs to hit till I want the site so that when you start the site, I'll warm up the site. 63 00:03:27,886 --> 00:03:37,310 So if you start your site and you need to run some initialization routines or do whatever, it'll kick off these server warmup URLs and you'll be back in business. 64 00:03:37,310 --> 00:03:42,011 a lot of times when you have to start your site manually, then you have to manually remember to go back and click those links. 65 00:03:42,011 --> 00:03:44,962 Well, here you just automate it all for you. 66 00:03:45,332 --> 00:03:48,608 If you want more information, we'll go ahead and put that into the chat. 67 00:03:48,608 --> 00:03:58,704 The server warmup URLs, all I can think of with that is hibernate ORM, how when you hit your site, it has to crawl all the different entities and metadata and load everything, 68 00:03:58,704 --> 00:04:02,059 and you just want that to be done before anybody actually has to hit it. 69 00:04:02,501 --> 00:04:09,219 or if you've got like a lot of cache queries where you want to make sure they get initialized in cache before anyone does anything. 70 00:04:09,863 --> 00:04:11,415 Yep, that's another good idea. 71 00:04:11,415 --> 00:04:13,977 So that's CommandBox 6.2 out right now. 72 00:04:13,977 --> 00:04:16,458 Next, let's talk about the ColdBox Vite plugin. 73 00:04:16,458 --> 00:04:20,081 So Vite is, we're talking JavaScript land. 74 00:04:20,081 --> 00:04:21,962 It's a module bundler. 75 00:04:21,962 --> 00:04:22,452 You know what? 76 00:04:22,452 --> 00:04:25,663 I haven't done enough JavaScript to know the terms I use now. 77 00:04:25,683 --> 00:04:32,760 What I do know is if I want modern JavaScript frameworks like Vue and React to run, Vite's the way I choose to do it. 78 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,281 because it's super fast. 79 00:04:34,281 --> 00:04:42,138 In fact, the other day I was doing some development on the site that used Coldbox Elixir, the old webpack bundler. 80 00:04:42,599 --> 00:04:47,913 And I'd save a change and it would take maybe a second to reload and compile. 81 00:04:47,913 --> 00:04:49,665 And I was like, this is garbage. 82 00:04:49,665 --> 00:04:51,266 Vite does this in 10 milliseconds. 83 00:04:51,266 --> 00:04:52,146 What's going on? 84 00:04:52,146 --> 00:04:55,360 So I almost ripped it out and put Vite in. 85 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,201 And then I realized that wasn't my job at the moment. 86 00:04:57,201 --> 00:04:58,562 So next time. 87 00:04:58,684 --> 00:05:08,832 But the ColdBox Vite plugin is the easiest way to hook into your ColdBox site so you can add in modern JavaScript with your existing ColdBox server rendered site. 88 00:05:08,832 --> 00:05:11,353 It has support for the latest Vite and all the goodies there. 89 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:16,697 You can also get started quickly with our template using the CommandBox box. 90 00:05:16,697 --> 00:05:20,901 You can do a ColdBox create app and pass in cbtemplate-vite. 91 00:05:20,981 --> 00:05:22,534 Get everything you need to get started. 92 00:05:22,534 --> 00:05:28,094 I got to do some work with Quick version 11.2. 93 00:05:28,094 --> 00:05:36,785 I got to meet with a client and as usual, performance issues in Quick come down to not eager loading relationships. 94 00:05:36,785 --> 00:05:43,447 So eager loading's the idea that if you have a blog post and you wanna get the author to get the author's name, you 95 00:05:43,447 --> 00:05:58,547 could mistakenly load 20, 40, 50 blog posts in one database request and then proceed to do 50 single database requests to load the author for each post as you're looping through it. 96 00:05:58,747 --> 00:06:02,267 Eager loading instead will go grab all those at once and stitch them together for you. 97 00:06:02,267 --> 00:06:06,507 So it's huge on performance but also can be easy to miss. 98 00:06:06,507 --> 00:06:12,855 Well, I finally jumped in and added a way to disable all lazy loading. 99 00:06:12,855 --> 00:06:23,299 in development, you can do it per environment so that you're in development and it will throw an exception at you and tell you like, hey, you tried to lazy load this, go you load 100 00:06:23,299 --> 00:06:28,001 this and help you avoid those performance problems before they even get to production. 101 00:06:28,001 --> 00:06:30,875 So that's out in quick 11.2. 102 00:06:30,875 --> 00:06:32,239 It is. 103 00:06:33,027 --> 00:06:33,988 Nice. 104 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:36,331 Nice, nice, nice. 105 00:06:37,114 --> 00:06:37,464 Okay. 106 00:06:37,464 --> 00:06:41,796 So this week's episode is sponsored by Ortus solutions. 107 00:06:41,796 --> 00:06:52,101 Imagine that we want to feature CommandBox Pro if you haven't heard CommandBox Pro it's CommandBox with a bunch of other really cool things that are definitely worth paying for. 108 00:06:52,362 --> 00:06:56,364 obviously the most important one is support SLAs and trust from Ortus. 109 00:06:56,364 --> 00:07:02,728 You get the service manager modules so that if you've got a server set up and you want it to start automatically, will do that. 110 00:07:02,808 --> 00:07:04,689 if you're just like any other service. 111 00:07:05,089 --> 00:07:10,032 You do get a ForgeBox Pro account included with every CommandBox Pro license you purchase. 112 00:07:10,032 --> 00:07:15,437 So if you want to do your own private packages and share that within your team, you can do all sorts of cool things like that. 113 00:07:15,437 --> 00:07:23,682 Multi-server features, you can do CommandBox multi-site, which allows you to pay us, it's like doing virtual hosting, where if you want to have one CommandBox instance and host, 114 00:07:23,682 --> 00:07:28,714 you know, multiple sites, dozens of sites for whatever, you can do that. 115 00:07:28,818 --> 00:07:35,778 We also have the automatic JDK management and manager versions on each specific application deploy as well as SNI support. 116 00:07:35,778 --> 00:07:38,992 We're in multiple certs, SL certs on the same IP address. 117 00:07:38,992 --> 00:07:43,619 So if you want to go check that out, go to the website for CommandBox Pro and we'll put that in the link. 118 00:07:43,619 --> 00:07:47,619 Let's go over to our BoxLang corner. 119 00:07:47,919 --> 00:07:52,579 BoxLang 1.0 RC3 has been launched. 120 00:07:52,699 --> 00:07:56,919 Let's tell you about some of the headline features here. 121 00:07:56,919 --> 00:08:04,379 We kind of teased them last podcast, but performance, we've tested the runtime against all our major libraries. 122 00:08:04,379 --> 00:08:09,419 It's faster than Adobe 2021, 23, 25. 123 00:08:09,559 --> 00:08:12,439 It's give or take with Lucee depending on the test. 124 00:08:12,599 --> 00:08:13,014 So, 125 00:08:13,014 --> 00:08:18,540 great work to the entire BoxLang team for just iterating and iterating on that performance. 126 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:24,865 The BXORM module is out so you can integrate with Hibernate for all you poor people that still have to do that. 127 00:08:24,865 --> 00:08:26,206 That's obviously my opinion. 128 00:08:26,206 --> 00:08:27,728 I should have prefaced that. 129 00:08:27,728 --> 00:08:29,309 Virtual thread support. 130 00:08:29,309 --> 00:08:36,484 This is a fun feature that I had to look up for Java 21, I believe, but just a lighter weight thread that can be 131 00:08:36,484 --> 00:08:46,563 Backgrounded similar to virtual memory so that when you do IO tasks in the thread, it doesn't lock up the entire like CPU thread Scheduler so the if you've ever used the cold 132 00:08:46,563 --> 00:08:53,100 box scheduler, which is incredibly powerful and intuitive You can do all that in box laying. 133 00:08:53,100 --> 00:09:02,118 In fact, that's replaces kind of the crazy scheduler UI that you can find in Adobe and Lucee and My favorite little feature from here 134 00:09:02,229 --> 00:09:10,753 You can run it from the CLI so you can without starting up your application go to BoxLang schedule and then pass in a scheduler. 135 00:09:10,753 --> 00:09:13,223 You don't have to run cron You have to do anything like that. 136 00:09:13,223 --> 00:09:16,374 It will just run forever and run your tasks for you. 137 00:09:16,374 --> 00:09:24,258 So then you can use all the nice BoxLang scheduling methods like saying run every day or Every workday at 8 a.m. 138 00:09:24,258 --> 00:09:28,749 Instead of having to figure out the random cron incantation for that 139 00:09:29,594 --> 00:09:31,706 So that's BoxLang RC3 out now. 140 00:09:31,706 --> 00:09:38,422 You can go please test your site because this is the last RC before the stable release. 141 00:09:38,422 --> 00:09:40,064 When's the stable release gonna happen? 142 00:09:40,064 --> 00:09:47,132 As hinted earlier, Into the Box 2025 we will be launching the stable release of BoxLang 1.0. 143 00:09:47,132 --> 00:09:56,892 So you want to be there, Into the Box 2025, whether you're joining online or in person, this is gonna be the conference that gets you up and running on BoxLang to start 144 00:09:56,892 --> 00:10:00,792 supercharging your development fast and easy. 145 00:10:01,172 --> 00:10:05,012 And now's the time to grab a BoxLang plan. 146 00:10:05,192 --> 00:10:11,012 This is in your future, you want to save some money on it, they're 25 % off until Into the Box. 147 00:10:11,332 --> 00:10:15,823 So grab that, we'll see you there May 1st for the BoxLang stable release. 148 00:10:15,823 --> 00:10:23,227 And then one more last important bit of box news BoxLang news are the virtual machines are now on AWS. 149 00:10:23,588 --> 00:10:31,713 So if you've been wanting to play with BoxLang and you've been waiting to for it to appear at AWS as a VM, it's there, you can do it. 150 00:10:31,713 --> 00:10:34,785 We're going to go ahead and post the link and go play with it. 151 00:10:35,620 --> 00:10:43,283 Yeah, we announced last week or last podcast rather that we had them up on Azure and now they're up on AWS. 152 00:10:43,283 --> 00:10:44,999 How about some CFML updates, Daniel? 153 00:10:44,999 --> 00:10:49,082 Do you want to tell us about the security updates that came out this last couple weeks? 154 00:10:49,226 --> 00:10:52,086 So they're a big one for both Adobe and Lucee. 155 00:10:52,086 --> 00:10:55,586 I think it's pretty much the similar, similar exploit. 156 00:10:56,126 --> 00:10:58,946 There are security updates available for Adobe CF. 157 00:10:58,946 --> 00:11:00,606 We'll get the links there in the chat. 158 00:11:00,606 --> 00:11:02,266 Similar for Lucee. 159 00:11:02,306 --> 00:11:10,546 It's where if you've got a certain condition on the server, somebody can take advantage of an exploit where they can execute code remotely. 160 00:11:11,186 --> 00:11:18,566 Now, if Lucee did say that if you're on a shared hosting environment, this is a little bit more of an issue than if you're hosting privately. 161 00:11:18,580 --> 00:11:22,053 But if you go through and kind of read through the docs, you can kind of see what it handles. 162 00:11:22,053 --> 00:11:25,335 You have to kind of decide if that's something you want to account for. 163 00:11:25,356 --> 00:11:29,419 Now with Lucee, if you just want to update to latest Lucee, I don't think there's any issues with that. 164 00:11:29,419 --> 00:11:30,560 Just do it. 165 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:31,621 Why not? 166 00:11:31,701 --> 00:11:32,593 Don't worry about it. 167 00:11:32,593 --> 00:11:41,913 Yeah, was something about being able to write bytecode directly to the server and then Lucee would run it, which I feel like if somebody can write files directly to your server, 168 00:11:41,913 --> 00:11:43,706 you might have a bigger problem, but. 169 00:11:43,706 --> 00:11:49,539 I was talking to Brad about it too when it came out and it's like if you can do this first step, then you can do the second step. 170 00:11:49,539 --> 00:11:51,370 But most people don't allow you to do the first step. 171 00:11:51,370 --> 00:11:53,591 So you're probably okay anyway. 172 00:11:54,332 --> 00:11:58,594 But definitely worth reviewing your code base and updating or just update anyway. 173 00:11:58,594 --> 00:12:05,269 And for Lucee, you can also add an environment file to lock it down even further, especially if you're using CommandBox or Lucee environment variables. 174 00:12:05,269 --> 00:12:16,426 another big news is there a 6.2.1.112 RC final release candidate is out for you to play with and test with and check out and make sure it all works the way you're hoping it 175 00:12:16,426 --> 00:12:16,887 works. 176 00:12:16,887 --> 00:12:19,682 Yeah, I'm looking at their server change log for that. 177 00:12:19,682 --> 00:12:23,542 It looks like a lot of bug fixes, not really any new enhancements. 178 00:12:23,542 --> 00:12:25,992 It's just kind of what you expect at this point in an RC. 179 00:12:25,992 --> 00:12:30,421 give that a run on your Lucee servers and let them know if anything's still missing. 180 00:12:30,421 --> 00:12:32,321 Let me post the link for that. 181 00:12:32,461 --> 00:12:36,381 And I think there's some more blog posts or new blog posts we want to talk about this week. 182 00:12:36,381 --> 00:12:38,161 don't you take us to those, Eric? 183 00:12:38,431 --> 00:12:39,953 Sure, let's highlight a few of them. 184 00:12:39,953 --> 00:12:44,125 The first one, let's talk about PDF generation, bloat and optimization. 185 00:12:44,125 --> 00:12:52,721 This is a blog post by James Moberg comparing and contrasting a few different ways to generate PDFs using CFML servers. 186 00:12:52,721 --> 00:13:04,630 Good old CF document, CF HTML to PDF and WK HTML to PDF, which if you haven't heard of that one is actually a separate utility ran via the command line that can also generate 187 00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:07,534 web pages based on WebKit technologies. 188 00:13:07,534 --> 00:13:11,156 So you can go and check out all of his code and how he runs it. 189 00:13:11,156 --> 00:13:19,719 I mean, the answer is WebKit HTML to PDF is faster and smaller file size and seems like the clear winner to me. 190 00:13:20,307 --> 00:13:21,827 Doesn't have a tag for it. 191 00:13:21,827 --> 00:13:24,187 You can't just say CF blah, blah. 192 00:13:24,248 --> 00:13:38,719 You know you say that, except there is a WK HTML to PDF module on Forgebox that you can install a wrapper to use that service written by the in-league team, Sam Knowlton and 193 00:13:38,719 --> 00:13:39,660 friends. 194 00:13:40,281 --> 00:13:45,197 So if you're missing the I want one tag to do this, go check out that module. 195 00:13:45,197 --> 00:13:46,577 I got you, Daniel. 196 00:13:46,778 --> 00:13:48,221 I was setting you up. 197 00:13:49,139 --> 00:13:57,488 I remember our team, man, over a decade ago, quickly found that CF document was not gonna cut it and use that WKHTML to PDF. 198 00:13:57,489 --> 00:14:08,196 And I feel like this falls right in James's wheelhouse as one of his last blog posts we talked about was about using native CommandBox line tools instead of ColdFusion tags, if 199 00:14:08,196 --> 00:14:09,457 you remember that. 200 00:14:09,998 --> 00:14:13,740 So this just falls right into his wheelhouse, yep. 201 00:14:13,823 --> 00:14:14,598 Thank you for that. 202 00:14:14,598 --> 00:14:17,905 And yeah, use WKHTML2PDF probably. 203 00:14:17,905 --> 00:14:26,036 We have another one from Ben Nadal about HTTP GET and HTTP POST are sufficient for me in ColdFusion. 204 00:14:26,346 --> 00:14:33,499 so, HTTP in browsers has two verbs, get or post your forms can get or post. 205 00:14:33,499 --> 00:14:39,752 but there are more verbs defined by the HTTP specification, put patch, delete options, some other ones as well. 206 00:14:39,752 --> 00:14:44,524 the APIs tend to use and that applications can use as well, kind of spoofing it. 207 00:14:44,524 --> 00:14:50,245 A cold box makes this really easy so that you can use all these different verbs and have 208 00:14:50,727 --> 00:15:02,887 In my opinion, all this comes down to opinion, a really nicely tuned API, something that looks really nice as far as the URL structure goes, organized. 209 00:15:03,247 --> 00:15:07,418 Ben here argues that you know what, the browser can't handle it basically. 210 00:15:07,418 --> 00:15:10,718 It's extra mental weight that you can't use. 211 00:15:10,718 --> 00:15:17,354 It's kind of a leaky abstraction because your GET might mutate a last access date or your... 212 00:15:17,354 --> 00:15:23,074 delete might just be modifying the flag instead of actually deleting, so why are we pretending this? 213 00:15:23,954 --> 00:15:28,254 So you get a lot of, can get read for his opinions. 214 00:15:28,254 --> 00:15:38,014 He makes a lot of good points, and I think the biggest point is, know, browsers can't actually do put, patch, or delete or anything besides get and post, so everything after 215 00:15:38,014 --> 00:15:40,694 that's kind of faking it. 216 00:15:40,694 --> 00:15:46,594 But we also live in a world where APIs are king, and those can support all those verbs. 217 00:15:47,276 --> 00:15:50,720 if you haven't caught on from the way I've been describing it. 218 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,862 I love all the HTTP verbs. 219 00:15:52,862 --> 00:16:03,873 In fact, I have a video I want to throw in there that's one of my favorite talks that I've ever seen, which is called Cruddy by Design by Adam Wavin. 220 00:16:03,873 --> 00:16:05,415 So we'll throw that in there. 221 00:16:05,415 --> 00:16:09,038 Obviously, this comes down to your organization. 222 00:16:09,632 --> 00:16:12,044 and how you want to structure your application, right? 223 00:16:12,044 --> 00:16:16,830 These HTTP verbs there to help you describe how you want to be organized, right? 224 00:16:16,830 --> 00:16:22,134 One of Ben's posts was, if you need a router, I think you've overcomplicated things. 225 00:16:22,134 --> 00:16:26,126 And for me, like the router is where I live in Coldbox apps. 226 00:16:26,126 --> 00:16:29,879 Like I love that can go to one file and see everything that happens in the app. 227 00:16:30,019 --> 00:16:33,312 So it's a bit of a difference of how you want to structure your apps. 228 00:16:33,312 --> 00:16:36,067 And as he said, the one's not right and the other wrong. 229 00:16:36,067 --> 00:16:40,291 but you can definitely look at both and think, how do I want to structure my app? 230 00:16:40,913 --> 00:16:43,265 So we'll give you a little bit of both sides here. 231 00:16:43,802 --> 00:16:44,063 fair. 232 00:16:44,063 --> 00:16:48,971 I don't think Ben uses a ColdBox And so he might 233 00:16:48,971 --> 00:16:52,016 his own self-built framework, if any. 234 00:16:52,629 --> 00:17:00,243 And I will say early on when I started with Ortus, I've been an Ortus almost four years now and early on I was working on a project and worth you Eric and you showed me this 235 00:17:00,243 --> 00:17:03,009 cruddy by design video and it blew my mind. 236 00:17:03,009 --> 00:17:04,631 As in of course we should do it this way. 237 00:17:04,631 --> 00:17:05,974 Of course this makes sense. 238 00:17:05,974 --> 00:17:12,978 Yeah, you know the fun thing is, like, I love that talk and I try to build things that way and then sometimes I don't because it doesn't make sense. 239 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:22,666 So like, I think Ben had one about that where if you're doing a bulk operation of bulk delete, you can't pass a body in the delete statement so you do a post. 240 00:17:23,387 --> 00:17:24,868 That's not ideal. 241 00:17:24,868 --> 00:17:25,629 That's what you do. 242 00:17:25,629 --> 00:17:27,930 Sometimes you just, make your code work. 243 00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:29,051 It's fine. 244 00:17:29,271 --> 00:17:32,673 All of our code's held together with duct tape and string anyways. 245 00:17:32,983 --> 00:17:35,636 Best practices are best, except when they're not. 246 00:17:35,938 --> 00:17:36,605 There you go. 247 00:17:36,605 --> 00:17:41,968 Okay, now we do have another blog article, getting the client's IP address using Lucee and Confusion. 248 00:17:41,968 --> 00:17:43,321 This is by Gregory Alexander. 249 00:17:43,321 --> 00:17:53,998 Basically going through the poll showing different ways of extracting that IP address and whether it's, know, using the getHttpRequest data, use the CGI variable, but it kind of 250 00:17:53,998 --> 00:17:58,540 goes a little bit further because sometimes your server is behind a load balancer or a proxy. 251 00:17:58,561 --> 00:18:03,332 And so you can't just grab the IP address because you're grabbing the IP address of that middle server. 252 00:18:03,332 --> 00:18:08,055 And so you may need look for things like X forward for, because a lot of them will pass that along. 253 00:18:08,055 --> 00:18:10,276 And so he shows an example of how to grab that. 254 00:18:10,276 --> 00:18:18,222 And then there's a couple others that he talks about, including if you're using X real IP, some load balancers engine X use that instead. 255 00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:22,784 Or if you have a CF connecting IP key, someone use that for cloud flare. 256 00:18:22,784 --> 00:18:31,769 And so really some nice examples of all the different scenarios you might run into or for grabbing that real IP address and not the proxied IP address. 257 00:18:31,962 --> 00:18:41,475 I know a while back Gavin created something on Forgebox to kind of say get real IP that kind of did this, but Gregory went way beyond what Gavin did and I kind of like it. 258 00:18:42,236 --> 00:18:47,741 Basically if you use this, it'll catch every IP and all these different scenarios we talked about. 259 00:18:47,963 --> 00:18:51,478 And so it's a nice little utility there he's got, or example he's got. 260 00:18:51,478 --> 00:18:56,340 Yeah, as described, it really depends on your technology stack, right? 261 00:18:56,340 --> 00:19:02,624 If you got Cloudflare in there, Fastly in there, know, NGINX, what do you have and what key it's using? 262 00:19:02,624 --> 00:19:07,347 We have a utility that, you know, I've used because I felt like it was good enough. 263 00:19:07,347 --> 00:19:14,860 Right inside CB Security, on the CB Security model, you can call get real IP and it will go and grab 264 00:19:14,860 --> 00:19:20,075 like the cluster client IP or the X forwarded for, and then finally the CGI variable. 265 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:23,717 But it doesn't have those, you know, Cloudflare ones, the Fastly ones. 266 00:19:23,717 --> 00:19:29,662 So you might need to implement your own kind of function based on what is in your technology stack. 267 00:19:29,973 --> 00:19:31,365 Yep, that's the one I was talking about. 268 00:19:31,365 --> 00:19:32,317 That's on Fordbox. 269 00:19:32,317 --> 00:19:33,728 Gavin put that together. 270 00:19:33,728 --> 00:19:35,712 And get real IP. 271 00:19:35,712 --> 00:19:40,405 now it's, it might still be a Forgebox module, but it is now part of CB Security as well. 272 00:19:40,407 --> 00:19:42,876 So you might not even need to install anything else. 273 00:19:42,876 --> 00:19:47,652 I kind of feel like we should look at the other examples from Gregory and maybe add some of those. 274 00:19:47,991 --> 00:19:51,809 Yeah, I think the trickiest part will be deciding the order. 275 00:19:51,809 --> 00:19:56,120 But then again, you're probably not using Fastly and Cloudflare, right? 276 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:57,263 So. 277 00:19:57,263 --> 00:19:57,584 Yep. 278 00:19:57,584 --> 00:20:00,689 And so if you're testing for it to exist and doesn't exist, you ignore it. 279 00:20:00,689 --> 00:20:02,162 So yeah, you're probably not using multiple. 280 00:20:02,162 --> 00:20:05,890 And if you are, then you got issues, I guess. 281 00:20:06,057 --> 00:20:06,498 All right. 282 00:20:06,498 --> 00:20:07,759 Well, thank you everybody. 283 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:12,563 This is not all of the CFML posts that were through this week, but we only have time to highlight a few. 284 00:20:12,563 --> 00:20:13,493 So let's move on. 285 00:20:13,493 --> 00:20:16,365 We still have some events that we want to cover. 286 00:20:16,365 --> 00:20:22,970 As mentioned, Into the Box Workshops, April 30th, Conference May 1st and 2nd. 287 00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:25,652 BoxLang 1.0 stable is launching. 288 00:20:25,652 --> 00:20:28,095 You want to be there in Washington, DC. 289 00:20:28,095 --> 00:20:29,595 20 tickets left. 290 00:20:30,287 --> 00:20:33,212 Go buy them, come visit us, we're excited for it. 291 00:20:33,334 --> 00:20:39,711 And for all those that have already bought their tickets, who are speaking, we're very excited to see you there, it's gonna be a blast. 292 00:20:39,711 --> 00:20:43,454 CF camp a little bit after that May 22nd and 23rd. 293 00:20:43,454 --> 00:20:50,795 This is in Munich Germany a new hotel, but still in Munich You can check it out CF camp org I Know Luis is going to be there. 294 00:20:50,795 --> 00:21:02,327 I believe Brad is going to be there as well So we have some Ortus representation and some great talks on BoxLang We hope to see at CF camp if you are on that side of the world It's 295 00:21:02,327 --> 00:21:04,739 a little easier to get to Munich than it is to DC 296 00:21:04,739 --> 00:21:06,502 And finally, coming up in step two. 297 00:21:06,502 --> 00:21:19,822 Cold Fusion Summit 2025, September 22nd, 23rd in Las Vegas with, I believe the 21st and or the 24th being certification class days where you can go in and get certified. 298 00:21:20,805 --> 00:21:24,525 And do we know if Ortus is doing a workshop around there? 299 00:21:24,525 --> 00:21:25,786 We usually do. 300 00:21:25,946 --> 00:21:26,826 I haven't heard yet. 301 00:21:26,826 --> 00:21:28,649 It still might be a little bit way out. 302 00:21:28,649 --> 00:21:35,859 think, I imagine we're probably waiting to get through ITB and just keep all our focus there first before we, look beyond ITB. 303 00:21:35,859 --> 00:21:39,373 And then of course CF Camp, Luis and Brad will be there a few weeks later. 304 00:21:39,373 --> 00:21:40,089 So. 305 00:21:40,328 --> 00:21:44,814 And there is a CF Camp Pre-Conference Workshop with Ortus that you can join. 306 00:21:45,097 --> 00:21:48,236 I'll absolutely there be talking about BoxLang. 307 00:21:48,236 --> 00:21:55,806 Yep, it's getting started with the BoxLang runtimes with Brad or Zero the Hero with Coldbox and BoxLang with Luis. 308 00:21:55,806 --> 00:21:56,886 Excellent. 309 00:21:57,427 --> 00:22:00,149 Okay, that's probably it for our episode today. 310 00:22:00,149 --> 00:22:03,001 thank you to all of our Patreon supporters. 311 00:22:03,001 --> 00:22:12,843 We are grateful to all of those 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00:22:50,530 Thanks everyone for joining. 320 00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:53,250 We will see you, let's see, in a couple weeks. 321 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:55,890 It's going to be BoxLang into the box time. 322 00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:58,950 Are we going to be podcasting from into the box, Daniel? 323 00:22:59,141 --> 00:23:00,462 You know, we're figuring that out. 324 00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:02,525 If we do, it's going be a special podcast. 325 00:23:02,525 --> 00:23:11,702 Normally our next normal scheduled podcast would be May 6th, because we are going to do the first and third Tuesdays of the month, not in every other week thing, first and third 326 00:23:11,702 --> 00:23:12,112 Tuesday. 327 00:23:12,112 --> 00:23:17,737 So we haven't finalized the box or the into the box schedule, we're hoping to do something. 328 00:23:18,058 --> 00:23:19,470 You know, maybe a one-off, but 329 00:23:19,470 --> 00:23:23,882 But you don't have to worry about missing hearing us because you're gonna be at Into the Box. 330 00:23:23,882 --> 00:23:26,023 You're gonna be coming to our sessions. 331 00:23:26,023 --> 00:23:28,446 You're gonna be hanging out at Happy Box. 332 00:23:28,446 --> 00:23:33,348 You're gonna be full of all the time that you would want with Daniel and myself. 333 00:23:33,828 --> 00:23:34,833 And probably more. 334 00:23:34,833 --> 00:23:35,547 Yeah. 335 00:23:35,547 --> 00:23:37,673 smell us, it'll all be good. 336 00:23:37,823 --> 00:23:39,354 Hopefully not smell us. 337 00:23:41,357 --> 00:23:42,619 All right, everybody. 338 00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:44,871 Thanks and have a great rest of your day. 339 00:23:45,014 --> 00:23:45,876 Thanks everybody.