1 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:34,140 Welcome to No Office, a podcast about work, technology and life from a remote company perspective. In Nozbe, we believe that work is not a place to go. It is a thing that you do. That is why since 2007 we run our company 100% remotely in Nozbe. There is no Office. The no Office podcast is consorted by Nozbe Teams, a todo app that helps modern teams do great things. Go to nozbe.com to learn more. 2 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:39,460 Don't cramp people zoom fluorescent lighted office all day long. 3 00:00:39,490 --> 00:00:43,080 You know you probably are going to work from home. 4 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:50,280 Hello and welcome to episode number 31 of No Office, a podcast about work, 5 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:54,180 technology and life from a remote company perspective. 6 00:00:54,210 --> 00:00:58,720 My name is Rafal Sobolewski, and as always, I'm joined by my good friend and 7 00:00:58,750 --> 00:01:03,080 CEO of our No Office company, Nozbe Michael Sliwinski. 8 00:01:03,110 --> 00:01:05,480 Hello, Michael, how are you today? Good. 9 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,120 Good, good. I'm really, really good because this is my 10 00:01:08,150 --> 00:01:11,880 last day of work because tomorrow I have free. 11 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,960 You have a short break. Yes. 12 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:15,800 Yes, I'm going on a date with my wife. 13 00:01:15,830 --> 00:01:16,850 So that's great. 14 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,040 Well, that's fancy. Well, you have three kids. 15 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,440 You really appreciate that you can go on a 16 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,920 date with with your wife, without kids, you know, for for a couple of days. 17 00:01:24,950 --> 00:01:28,760 So this is what we're going to do. 18 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,720 So let's jump into our typical segment and let's talk about what we have been up 19 00:01:36,750 --> 00:01:40,420 to us and see because November was very intense for us. 20 00:01:40,450 --> 00:01:43,080 We had the Black Friday promo. Oh . 21 00:01:43,110 --> 00:01:46,720 And , we had a lot of meetings. 22 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,440 On Cyber Monday, we actually recorded two 23 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,480 product vlogs, one in Polish, one in English. 24 00:01:53,510 --> 00:02:00,120 And we, , we we showed how to use Nozbe Teams with multiple teams, how you 25 00:02:00,150 --> 00:02:03,740 can purchase Nozbe premium for your team of one. 26 00:02:03,770 --> 00:02:05,700 , even our team of two. 27 00:02:05,730 --> 00:02:10,380 And we saw some new features like filters. . 28 00:02:10,410 --> 00:02:13,380 And there are more features, but we are working on quality. 29 00:02:13,410 --> 00:02:16,610 Actually, I see on our Slack that we have 30 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:20,450 notification from Radek is working on native Mac app. 31 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,000 Yes. And Windows as well. 32 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:25,610 Don't worry. . 33 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:30,400 So , there are more exciting stuff to come in Nozbe Teams and hopefully we will have 34 00:02:30,430 --> 00:02:35,700 more to share even in December in another product. 35 00:02:35,730 --> 00:02:40,730 So make sure to check out our Nozbe dot com slash blog. 36 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:40,890 . 37 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:44,380 Website It's always like the newest episode. 38 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,540 Yes. Yes, yes. 39 00:02:45,570 --> 00:02:48,320 I'm really happy that we managed to do one. 40 00:02:48,350 --> 00:02:52,920 And you know this this whole fact of of us introducing, 41 00:02:52,950 --> 00:02:58,160 you know, the the multi multiple teams and also introducing more plans. 42 00:02:58,190 --> 00:03:00,180 So there is a plan for a team of one. 43 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,120 So if you just want to use Nozbe Teams on 44 00:03:02,150 --> 00:03:07,020 your own, you can just get a team of one and use it on your own. 45 00:03:07,050 --> 00:03:09,960 The thing is that just today, when I was 46 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:14,500 reviewing their promo, we figured if we saw 47 00:03:14,530 --> 00:03:18,740 a case of the person who bought the team of one 48 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:23,500 with the promo so far with additional teams free as of the Black Friday offer, 49 00:03:23,530 --> 00:03:27,820 and already today they have three people on the team. 50 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,240 So. 51 00:03:28,270 --> 00:03:32,960 So he used already this system that which which I think I would like to say it's 52 00:03:32,990 --> 00:03:36,300 brilliant because we figured it out, but I think it is brilliant. 53 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,500 , because you shaped it up. 54 00:03:37,530 --> 00:03:39,120 Yes, because 55 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:45,980 this system that when you start with a team of one and you pay for a year 56 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,780 and you want to add additional person to your team, you'll have to pay anything. 57 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,800 You just change to the two people and then 58 00:03:51,830 --> 00:03:55,920 we automatically calculate your, you know, your next renewal to be just earlier 59 00:03:55,950 --> 00:03:59,610 because we just like use the time that you bought anyway. 60 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,880 And and he used it like twice because, you 61 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,060 know, he he also got the third person on board. 62 00:04:04,090 --> 00:04:07,160 So and and I think this is what I really 63 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:11,820 like about Nozbe Teams that we make upgrades and downgrades so easy. 64 00:04:11,850 --> 00:04:14,560 Like you don't have to, you know, go 65 00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:18,480 through finance, you don't have to pay another bill, another invoice, whatever. 66 00:04:18,510 --> 00:04:20,280 You just change the plan and it 67 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:23,740 automatically adjusts the the next renewal time. 68 00:04:23,770 --> 00:04:27,680 So actually with doing this tweak, you can buy not 69 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:32,180 only and Nozbe premium for a month or for a year. 70 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,760 You can actually calculate to buy. 71 00:04:33,780 --> 00:04:37,500 Buy it for 3 months or 4 months or seven months. 72 00:04:37,530 --> 00:04:40,300 Yes, exactly. Exactly. 73 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:42,540 So just by, you know, by 74 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,380 manipulating how many people you have on your team, basically. 75 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:48,780 But but this is what I like about our approach is that 76 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,720 we want people to start very small, even solopreneurs, team of one, whatever, and 77 00:04:53,750 --> 00:04:57,140 then gradually keep adding people to their team. 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,900 , actually, I think that's that's even better. 79 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,560 Even easier to introduce to a team once 80 00:05:02,590 --> 00:05:10,700 like two or three people already know the tool and how it works, and then you later 81 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,500 invite more people and help them to onboard because like you know, 82 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:21,560 every tool for four teams is like, we try to make it as easy as possible, but there 83 00:05:21,590 --> 00:05:25,860 will always be things that need to be explained to to some, some team members. 84 00:05:25,890 --> 00:05:27,540 But there's always 85 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:32,340 something that they always say to our customers is that they should start small. 86 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,000 Just put one project, one major project that you working on and the people who are 87 00:05:38,030 --> 00:05:40,660 going to work on this project in your Nozbe Teams. 88 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:41,280 And that's it. 89 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:44,420 Everything else do the same way you are doing. 90 00:05:44,450 --> 00:05:49,620 But just this one project do it in Nozbe Teams with this small group of people. 91 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,520 And when you get the hang of it, you will 92 00:05:51,540 --> 00:05:54,140 want to add, you know, more projects to it. 93 00:05:54,170 --> 00:05:58,280 But also, this will create engagement because people know, I mean, they will 94 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:01,580 know that to access information about this particular project. 95 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,220 They will have to use Nozbe Teams. 96 00:06:03,250 --> 00:06:06,440 There is no other way to get to that information. 97 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,440 There is no email. There is no, you know, Jira or Slack, 98 00:06:09,470 --> 00:06:13,260 asana or whatever you are using before because it's in Nozbe Teams. 99 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:14,800 So you start with Nozbe Teams with this 100 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,940 small group of people in my project and then it goes from there. 101 00:06:17,970 --> 00:06:18,780 Let's move on. 102 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,000 As I said, November was very intense, and I really, I'm glad to. 103 00:06:24,030 --> 00:06:28,540 You have a break with your with your wife for a day to a couple of days. 104 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:29,120 Me too. 105 00:06:29,150 --> 00:06:33,240 I took some couple of days free in December and I 106 00:06:33,270 --> 00:06:38,340 can't wait to take these days because, the last month was really, really intense. 107 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,380 We had a lot of meetings 108 00:06:40,410 --> 00:06:45,900 and I additionally had training on macOS Monterray. 109 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,520 OK. . 110 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:52,380 And it was on Saturday and it was virtual and it was. 111 00:06:52,410 --> 00:06:55,840 I felt that for the whole day the next day. 112 00:06:55,860 --> 00:06:59,680 And wow, what kind of training was that? Who, who? 113 00:06:59,710 --> 00:07:01,260 Who did it for you? 114 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:02,940 Do you know this podcast, MacGadka? 115 00:07:02,970 --> 00:07:04,060 Yes, of course. 116 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,080 . 117 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,840 I'm like a premium subscriber of this. 118 00:07:08,860 --> 00:07:14,620 And with this subscription, I have like one one training for free in the year. 119 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:15,720 OK, . 120 00:07:15,750 --> 00:07:19,940 So I decided I want to have it training once, then macOS ships 121 00:07:19,970 --> 00:07:23,340 and I planned it for for November, but I forgot about that. 122 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,660 That's actually need 123 00:07:25,690 --> 00:07:30,740 that week before Black Friday, and we will have his always a very intense time. 124 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,120 Yes. So I didn't plan it. 125 00:07:32,150 --> 00:07:34,500 Well, that's my mistake. 126 00:07:34,530 --> 00:07:38,420 But , that's really ruined my my, my weekly schedule. 127 00:07:38,450 --> 00:07:41,340 Yes, I'm sure that I would. 128 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:46,680 But that's the thing, you know, we make also, I think just today, I had so 129 00:07:46,710 --> 00:07:51,200 many meetings as well, and it's like when you have too many meetings, 130 00:07:51,230 --> 00:07:57,400 we get really very quickly drained out and we just, you know, it's like meetings are 131 00:07:57,420 --> 00:07:59,600 something that you know that you want to do. 132 00:07:59,630 --> 00:08:02,320 Well, you you wants to be prepared for a meeting. 133 00:08:02,350 --> 00:08:07,360 So it's also the time before the meeting and not about just because you are anxious 134 00:08:07,390 --> 00:08:11,660 or afraid, but also because you really want to, you know, do well, you want to be 135 00:08:11,690 --> 00:08:14,740 ready for it and then you have to be on the meeting. 136 00:08:14,770 --> 00:08:19,640 And the good thing is that in our company, we have the set ups pretty well done. 137 00:08:19,670 --> 00:08:22,380 So there is no Hey, can you hear me? 138 00:08:22,410 --> 00:08:23,660 Do you see my camera? 139 00:08:23,690 --> 00:08:26,680 We don't have that, but it's still like, 140 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:30,440 you know, we are there and you know, it's it's it's it's intense. 141 00:08:30,470 --> 00:08:32,880 And I think also the style of our meetings 142 00:08:32,910 --> 00:08:36,860 is like, we like we like to fight and we like to really discuss things. 143 00:08:36,890 --> 00:08:43,300 This training I had from MacGadka guys and our meetings, like I like all of them 144 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,160 thought to be and to to to figure out stuff about. 145 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,240 But really, after such a meeting after 146 00:08:50,270 --> 00:08:54,380 even though I I felt it was a very productive meeting. 147 00:08:54,410 --> 00:08:59,620 I feel exhausted after like having three of them on Monday, for example. 148 00:08:59,650 --> 00:09:01,840 , yes, all the whole training. 149 00:09:01,870 --> 00:09:05,240 On Saturday, it took like 10 hours of 150 00:09:05,270 --> 00:09:08,060 being online, constantly in front of camera. 151 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:14,980 Like, Well, , that's that's really not not good for for, for, for my brain, I think. 152 00:09:15,010 --> 00:09:23,060 And actually recently on on Tuesday, we had the retrospection on our design fight. 153 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:29,120 Yes, so about that, our design fight meeting is our proudest meeting. 154 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,280 I'm really proud of this meeting. 155 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,220 Our favorite, our favorite, this is our 156 00:09:32,250 --> 00:09:35,780 think, the best thing we have ever invented for our team. 157 00:09:35,810 --> 00:09:38,300 I describe it in my book at No Office. 158 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,320 Com Slash meetings. 159 00:09:39,350 --> 00:09:42,640 So it's in the whole chapter about meetings. 160 00:09:42,670 --> 00:09:44,700 I talk about our design fight meeting. 161 00:09:44,730 --> 00:09:47,980 The cool thing about it is that it's like this brain trust. 162 00:09:48,010 --> 00:09:52,380 So we we are like, you know, around the 163 00:09:52,410 --> 00:09:58,900 roundtable and we decide on designing new features for Nozbe and. 164 00:09:58,930 --> 00:10:04,880 None of us has the, you know, has the most power like we have to convince each other, 165 00:10:04,910 --> 00:10:10,720 we have to fight each other and we have to ask inconvenient questions and ask, you 166 00:10:10,750 --> 00:10:15,500 know, maybe stupid questions, you know, ask and talk about, you know, edge cases. 167 00:10:15,530 --> 00:10:18,040 So it's it's a very intense discussion 168 00:10:18,060 --> 00:10:22,820 because we don't want to ship crappy features for our users. 169 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,780 We don't want to ship features that will 170 00:10:24,810 --> 00:10:29,500 just break or what's what's what's for me personally the most important. 171 00:10:29,530 --> 00:10:34,140 We don't want to ship features that create bad habits, 172 00:10:34,170 --> 00:10:38,520 something that it might be a good idea, but this will create a bad habit that 173 00:10:38,550 --> 00:10:42,540 people will start doing this instead of what they should be really doing right. 174 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:45,520 And I really appreciate that we we got on 175 00:10:45,550 --> 00:10:47,840 on this meeting or in this design fight group. 176 00:10:47,870 --> 00:10:54,700 We we really give each other very negative feedback on the things we see shaping up. 177 00:10:54,730 --> 00:10:59,140 That's really good because if you don't get negative feedback, that means that 178 00:10:59,170 --> 00:11:08,060 either your co-workers are not so good at this or you are another or you are just 179 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,780 at the top level and there is no way to to develop yourself. 180 00:11:12,810 --> 00:11:14,680 Nobody's that good. 181 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,780 But if not even me. 182 00:11:18,810 --> 00:11:22,400 So the thing is that we really criticize each other. 183 00:11:22,430 --> 00:11:24,580 I mean each other, each other's work. 184 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,240 There is this saying when you are an 185 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:30,660 author, like when you are anyway, when you're creator, you should 186 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,280 kill your darlings, kill your darlings, like you should edit. 187 00:11:33,310 --> 00:11:36,460 You should really, you know, look critically at your stuff. 188 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,960 But it's hard because these are your 189 00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:40,900 darlings, but on the Design Fight meetings. 190 00:11:40,930 --> 00:11:45,000 No problem. People are killing our darlings. 191 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,240 And I remember like several times when I shaped up like a very 192 00:11:50,270 --> 00:11:55,140 cool feature, and I was so excited about it, only to be just completely like 193 00:11:55,170 --> 00:12:00,980 destroyed on the meeting and like my feature went to trash immediately. 194 00:12:01,010 --> 00:12:03,340 And something I was really excited about. 195 00:12:03,370 --> 00:12:05,300 I just went nowhere. 196 00:12:05,330 --> 00:12:07,140 But it's OK. 197 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:08,640 Like I tried. 198 00:12:08,670 --> 00:12:11,020 I explored an idea. 199 00:12:11,050 --> 00:12:15,700 And then it's, you know, it helps me also change my mind. 200 00:12:15,730 --> 00:12:19,820 Be flexible and adaptive to be changing my mind. 201 00:12:19,850 --> 00:12:22,040 Because I think this is the worst part 202 00:12:22,070 --> 00:12:26,900 about our society is that very people, many people are stubborn. 203 00:12:26,930 --> 00:12:29,180 They don't change their minds. 204 00:12:29,210 --> 00:12:32,500 They don't want to improve. 205 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,260 Or, you know, look on the other side. 206 00:12:34,290 --> 00:12:37,700 They just are stuck with their what they believe or what they think. 207 00:12:37,730 --> 00:12:38,780 And that's it. 208 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:44,260 And we should, you know, we should really fight for what we what we believe in. 209 00:12:44,290 --> 00:12:48,360 But when we get proof from the other side that it's it's a 210 00:12:48,390 --> 00:12:52,640 different situation and that there is there are new facts and our situation has 211 00:12:52,670 --> 00:12:56,940 changed too, we should be able to change, you know, the way we think. 212 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,200 Exactly. And many times it can be done. 213 00:13:00,230 --> 00:13:05,700 I think honestly, we actually don't need this meeting like that much. 214 00:13:05,730 --> 00:13:08,820 , I mean, again, talking about designing features. 215 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,360 So one of the things that's how we 216 00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:15,720 designed Nozbe Teams is that the comments should encourage a longer 217 00:13:15,750 --> 00:13:21,080 discussion, a longer comment, not just yes or OK, right? 218 00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:23,220 It should be like a longer thing, OK? 219 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:25,760 There are good gestures. 220 00:13:25,790 --> 00:13:28,520 Like, Yes, no, but the most important 221 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:31,780 thing is that we want to encourage longer discussions. 222 00:13:31,810 --> 00:13:36,740 And because of that, we Nozbe Teams promotes asynchronous work. 223 00:13:36,770 --> 00:13:43,420 And that's why we realized that the design fight meeting as great as it is. 224 00:13:43,450 --> 00:13:45,580 And you know, it is really good. 225 00:13:45,610 --> 00:13:49,140 Well, I want to just explore it a bit more why it's so good. 226 00:13:49,170 --> 00:13:52,220 But it's we've done it very well, but 227 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:57,780 we can move one step further and we can make going from. 228 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,600 It's a regular meeting because I always say in my book, I say that meeting should 229 00:14:01,630 --> 00:14:08,100 be regular, optional and optional and optional, and we're prepared. 230 00:14:08,130 --> 00:14:09,420 And the thing is 231 00:14:09,450 --> 00:14:13,860 that we decided that optional should be the default for this meeting. 232 00:14:13,890 --> 00:14:16,900 So the default is we don't have to meet. 233 00:14:16,930 --> 00:14:19,820 There is no meeting on Tuesday at 2pm. 234 00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:23,080 Actually, I think that optional was default. 235 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:24,860 Like, we always 236 00:14:24,890 --> 00:14:28,820 agreed that OK, if we have topics to discuss, then there is a meeting. 237 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:34,020 . And now we change it to make it OK. 238 00:14:34,050 --> 00:14:37,520 The default is no meeting unless the day 239 00:14:37,550 --> 00:14:43,060 before the meeting Monday 4pm, we decided that we need. 240 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,000 We need a meeting because there are topics, but that cannot move forward. 241 00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:48,720 Asynchronous? 242 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:58,780 And , because I noticed that often I hesitated to give Asynchronus feedback. 243 00:14:58,810 --> 00:15:03,500 When it's this feedback is complicated and maybe it's harder to do, right? 244 00:15:03,530 --> 00:15:04,760 That's right. 245 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:07,500 Write down this this more complex feedback 246 00:15:07,530 --> 00:15:12,540 to some idea, and I sometimes waited for the meeting to show it. 247 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,540 And that's not good because if I have a feedback, I should share it like 248 00:15:15,570 --> 00:15:20,840 immediately and and learn how to how to express myself on in the written forum. 249 00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:23,140 Because that's that's most productive 250 00:15:23,170 --> 00:15:29,980 and on only when we cannot really get to the final conclusions, I think honestly. 251 00:15:30,010 --> 00:15:31,860 And then we will do that meeting. 252 00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:36,900 Yes, because you know, the meeting is basically for the nuance is to really 253 00:15:36,930 --> 00:15:41,700 talk things through if you cannot get it right in the written form. 254 00:15:41,730 --> 00:15:44,500 And and that's that's where we should be headed. 255 00:15:44,530 --> 00:15:47,960 And our comments, as you mentioned, should be better. 256 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:53,120 So we should basically get better, even even as the masters of asynchronous work 257 00:15:53,150 --> 00:15:58,360 should get even better and asynchronous work at asynchronous comments. 258 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,380 Async is default, like meeting is really only when it's needed. 259 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,600 Yes. And you know, like we are humans, like we 260 00:16:05,630 --> 00:16:10,500 like to, you know, hang out to be together and all that stuff. 261 00:16:10,530 --> 00:16:13,500 That's why we also decided that we will 262 00:16:13,530 --> 00:16:19,900 have the meeting when it's necessary or once a month, whichever comes first. 263 00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:22,200 So this way, we make sure that to the 264 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:26,960 group of design fighters and is still coherent, that the group is still there. 265 00:16:26,990 --> 00:16:31,620 We know that we are part of the group and we have this one moment in months at least 266 00:16:31,650 --> 00:16:36,280 to get motivated to, you know, give each other, you know, push each other for 267 00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:40,180 better comments, for better feedback, for better conversation. 268 00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:43,680 Yes, because right on those meetings, we 269 00:16:43,710 --> 00:16:48,420 sometimes see that our third tool to brainstorm some idea. 270 00:16:48,450 --> 00:16:50,100 , but we always do it. 271 00:16:50,130 --> 00:16:52,700 OK, that's interesting point. 272 00:16:52,730 --> 00:16:56,220 Let's let's brainstorm this, but for 15 minutes. 273 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,180 Mm hmm. . 274 00:16:57,210 --> 00:17:00,760 And after 15 minutes, OK, if we decide there is something 275 00:17:00,790 --> 00:17:06,000 interesting that we create a task to be shaped up by someone and someone, someone 276 00:17:06,030 --> 00:17:10,400 from the team will explore the topic more and prepare to put shape up, 277 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,660 which in the future will be by default discussed asynchronous. 278 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,240 One thing that I really liked about our 279 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,530 design fight meeting was that it was really well-prepared. 280 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,760 So they really were prepared, just like 281 00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:25,570 what I mentioned in my in my book, in my chapter on meetings that 282 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,500 sometimes were late, of course, with, you know, with documentation and stuff. 283 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,960 Sometimes it was really last minute. 284 00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:32,240 But still, we always, like all of us, 285 00:17:32,270 --> 00:17:36,220 really read the documentation, the comments, everything before the meeting. 286 00:17:36,250 --> 00:17:40,560 So the meeting was always after we've read stuff, which is great. 287 00:17:40,590 --> 00:17:44,500 So like, so you read it first and then you will discuss and. 288 00:17:44,530 --> 00:17:47,000 But now, as you said, we need to be better 289 00:17:47,030 --> 00:17:50,420 even at preparing this documentation and commenting on it. 290 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:55,570 Asynchronously, we also said and and I think it's also very cool that 291 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:00,280 the person who is responsible for a feature for the proposal for for the 292 00:18:00,310 --> 00:18:04,880 document is responsible for managing managing commons there. 293 00:18:04,910 --> 00:18:07,500 So they have to react to comments there 294 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:13,250 and then later in our Nozbe Teams app in that task, summarize for everyone else 295 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:19,520 like, OK, so I got these comments, I'm changes document or I'm going to ditch 296 00:18:19,550 --> 00:18:23,460 it, I'm going to completely make it new or I just improved some stuff. 297 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,940 And these are the final conclusions. Do you agree? 298 00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:28,810 And then when we agree, the thing goes forward. 299 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,280 So , the thing is we go for those forward 300 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:34,570 to to our portfolio of options for further development. 301 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,090 Mm hmm. Exactly. 302 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:37,380 So. 303 00:18:37,410 --> 00:18:43,220 I encourage you and every one of you just to really question your meetings. 304 00:18:43,250 --> 00:18:45,530 You know, like make sure that the 305 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,810 because there's a saying, you know, it's a meeting and it could have been an email. 306 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,660 No, it could have been a task in Nozbe Teams. 307 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:58,050 But mostly it if if this meeting happens too many times. 308 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,290 Think about it. Does it really have to happen? 309 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,460 Does it have to really happen that often? 310 00:19:02,490 --> 00:19:07,050 Can we not make it a different process, like having a task, having comments, 311 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,120 deciding there and only when we really need to be together? 312 00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:12,760 We we are together on a meeting. 313 00:19:12,790 --> 00:19:17,770 So really, I do encourage you to all to to question the meetings. 314 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,840 If you if you encounter resistance from 315 00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:24,250 your teammates and he wants to do it, maybe, 316 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,180 maybe try convince them by, OK, so we have this meeting every week, like make it 317 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:33,140 every two weeks and in the meantime, try to discuss things asynchronously. 318 00:19:33,170 --> 00:19:38,050 Exactly like to like to not make drastic change, but slowly adapt. 319 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,570 Add up to the asynchronous work. 320 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,280 , but and because it is important, especially in an all remote workspace like 321 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:50,200 we have, that you have to meet because you have to every now and then. 322 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,680 Yes, because you want to feel that you're part of something and you're part of a 323 00:19:53,710 --> 00:20:00,180 team that you are in this together with somebody else, hand in hand, right? 324 00:20:00,210 --> 00:20:02,530 So you want to meet 325 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:08,050 quite regularly, but maybe not as regularly as initially you thought, 326 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,090 because this can be draining and this can be exhausting. 327 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,560 And what I like about our decision on the 328 00:20:14,590 --> 00:20:18,000 design fight meeting is the fact that we had something. 329 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,050 I mean, we have something which is great, 330 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,770 but we still are trying to make it even better like we can. 331 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:29,810 And and we and we appreciate that what got us here won't get us there. 332 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:35,810 So like the way it works now, it's it's it was great for the time that we needed it. 333 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,530 Now we are changing it a bit different 334 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,570 because we think this will help us, you know, make it even better. 335 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:43,610 . 336 00:20:43,630 --> 00:20:50,050 So we're constantly wants to move forward and evolve ourselves and our process. 337 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:55,050 And I think those who want to add to this topic also we take a break. 338 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:55,530 . 339 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,770 Let's take a break and listen to one of our customers how they love Nozbe. 340 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,320 Yes, because No Office podcast is sponsored by Nozbe 341 00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:09,010 Teams, a To-Do app that helps small teams do great things. 342 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,770 Let's hear what Sara Nozbe customer say about the product. 343 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,290 When we've been around for about 10 years, 344 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,240 our business has been using Nozbe for about eight of those years, and as we 345 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,380 grew, we kind of got to the point where I just couldn't remember everything anymore. 346 00:21:24,410 --> 00:21:25,720 I'm pretty organized. 347 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,040 I would just kind of keep everything in my 348 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,600 head and with the notes and things like that, and it just got to be too much. 349 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,560 And so I started looking around for some 350 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,800 sort of project management software that can help me have it set up. 351 00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:37,330 Really trusted system. 352 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:40,900 But really, I just wanted a system where I could know that I had everything in there. 353 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,320 I wasn't going to forget anything. 354 00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:46,360 I wasn't going to drop any balls for clients or miss deadlines. 355 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,500 So that was Sara, our great customer, and you spoke recently with Sara. 356 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,920 I mean, this was an excerpt from my interview with her. 357 00:21:55,950 --> 00:22:00,760 Like, so first I spoke to her as because I speak to customers, if you go 358 00:22:00,790 --> 00:22:05,520 to Nozbe dot com slash contact, you will know how we do customer support. 359 00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:07,900 And one of the things I do is regularly 360 00:22:07,930 --> 00:22:13,760 meet with customers and I met with her and she was brilliant and 361 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:17,840 it was so much fun talking to her and I thought, you know, and ask her if she 362 00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:22,620 could, you know, do an interview for our podcast and for our blog. 363 00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:27,420 And if you want to learn more, just go to Nozbe blog, go to our blog 364 00:22:27,450 --> 00:22:32,460 Nozbe and then you can see my whole blog Nozbe dot com Nozbe. 365 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,050 Com. 366 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:38,000 And if you go there, you will see you will find my recent conversation with Sara, the 367 00:22:38,030 --> 00:22:41,460 whole the full conversation where I asked her several questions. 368 00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:44,540 And one of the key takeaways is how she 369 00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:48,200 forces people to use verbs to make Nozbe more actionable. 370 00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:50,080 So stay tuned. Check it out. 371 00:22:50,110 --> 00:22:55,360 It's like she gets lots of good tips and tricks to tricks, and she's a kind of 372 00:22:55,390 --> 00:22:58,090 productivity nut, which I appreciate a lot. 373 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:04,020 So, all right, so let's move on to our 374 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:10,640 No Office No Office setup segment, and I have some follow up to the previous 375 00:23:10,670 --> 00:23:16,090 episode today, but only because in the recent episode, I was 376 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:22,640 complaining a little bit on my iPadOnly trip. 377 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:31,860 And , I actually you posted on your blog doesn't read the review of iPad Pro. 378 00:23:31,890 --> 00:23:33,280 The 13 inch yes. 379 00:23:33,310 --> 00:23:35,040 After three months. 380 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,260 , and you reminded me. 381 00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:42,720 One another thing tha, that really annoyed me 382 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:49,290 is that like working with working with large fires on the but this 383 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:58,000 is it can be really be a pain in the in the in the back pocket parts of your body. 384 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:04,480 , because I back then I I had like mobile internet connection and 385 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:10,020 I was just finished recording a podcast episode with Emilia. 386 00:24:10,050 --> 00:24:11,120 , . 387 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:17,940 And I downloaded downloaded the recording from Streamyard and the whole the whole 388 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:20,980 recording, how the recording was like nine hundred megabytes. 389 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:21,920 OK. . 390 00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:24,740 And I wanted to upload it to Dropbox. OK. 391 00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:28,940 And still working on some other stuff on the home iPad. 392 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:30,480 , and it failed. It failed. 393 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:32,600 Via Dropbox. It failed via Files app. 394 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,050 . And I only managed to do it the day after. 395 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,240 OK, which wasn't great. 396 00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:41,940 And you actually made a good point that 397 00:24:41,970 --> 00:24:45,460 you cannot even you bought one terabyte model. 398 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,520 Yes. But , and but you cannot set it to 399 00:24:48,550 --> 00:24:51,290 download all your photos from iCloud photo library. 400 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,140 Yes. Locally, . 401 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:54,740 Which is, , this is nuts. 402 00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:59,280 I mean, this is really ridiculous because I have one terabyte iPad. 403 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,680 I got it on the and remember we had this discussion. 404 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,330 Should I get it or should I not get it? 405 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,980 I got it for this 16 gigabytes of RAM 406 00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:09,160 because it has more ram and and an apple is charging it for. 407 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,000 It's like the difference between half 408 00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:14,700 terabyte iPad and one terabyte iPad is a big difference. 409 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:17,570 So I was really like doubting myself. 410 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,290 I should spend so much money on this iPad, 411 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,020 but I did because, you know, I might add only this is my main computer. 412 00:25:24,050 --> 00:25:25,180 Let's do it. 413 00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:30,440 And first of all, I'm not sure that the 16 gigabytes of RAM are still, you know, so 414 00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:34,800 useful because many apps are just being killed anyway, you know? 415 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:39,780 But second thing is that really, I can use this one terabytes of data like I cannot 416 00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:44,240 download all my iCloud files, for example, like I have my presentations. 417 00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:48,400 I can think with so much space I could download all my presentations, all my 418 00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:53,780 like, really, all of my iCloud files, all of my photos. 419 00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:57,760 And I like and I would be still with plenty of space. 420 00:25:57,790 --> 00:26:02,180 You know, I made my photos and videos are like A. 421 00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:06,570 300 gigabytes right now and then my iCloud 422 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,660 data, like it's just, I don't know, 50 or one hundred. 423 00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:16,140 So it's still, I mean, I would still have plenty, plenty room to spare. 424 00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:20,420 But there is no way to set iOS, to do it, to download it all. 425 00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:22,800 Because whenever I want to edit some 426 00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:25,980 video, I have to first wait until it gets from the iCloud. 427 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:28,320 And with that, it would be local. 428 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,780 I would just, you know, use the video and that's it. 429 00:26:30,810 --> 00:26:32,480 Yes, exactly. 430 00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:34,360 Like, that's that's bananas. 431 00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:40,200 Because like, I put this a mobile device, and often you can find find yourself in a 432 00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:43,500 place that you want to work on such a video. 433 00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:46,560 But you may have like, , of course you, you will. 434 00:26:46,590 --> 00:26:51,090 You will have like 4G or even 5G internet connection. 435 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,980 But that's not always the case and 436 00:26:54,010 --> 00:27:00,160 that this internet connection can be not not not so good as you have, you know, 437 00:27:00,190 --> 00:27:05,780 so it takes like a couple of minutes to , to download a long, long video in 4K. 438 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,560 Exactly. So that's the problem. 439 00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:10,260 And you know, the 5G is fantastic. 440 00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:12,720 I'm really I'm so happy with the 5G like 441 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:16,280 because around me, like it seems like 5G is everywhere already. 442 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:19,090 I think it's very, very like where I live. 443 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,360 I think they have upgraded the 444 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:24,400 infrastructure very quickly and and it's really fast. 445 00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:27,320 So I don't have to find any hotspots, anything, anywhere. 446 00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:29,960 I'm not even in the hotel rooms. I don't care. 447 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,620 I'm not. 448 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:34,660 I'm not going to load the crap out, crappy wi fi of the hotel. 449 00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:36,200 I just prefer to use 5G. 450 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,160 I download the video like what I want or 451 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,960 what I mean, extremely videos through 5G and it's fantastic. 452 00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:42,050 It's no problem. 453 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,330 So, so it works pretty good. 454 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,680 But still, if I could have these files 455 00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:51,050 locally and you know, I have that space like it's wasted space right now, 456 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,440 it's kind of, you know, it's, you know, I have eight hundred and something gigabytes 457 00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:58,860 of wasted space on this hype, but it's completely empty. 458 00:27:58,890 --> 00:28:01,620 So I would love to have more, 459 00:28:01,650 --> 00:28:07,160 more ways to really download like indicate I want to download this. 460 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,240 I want to have this locally. 461 00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:12,860 I want to have that and and have that really work for me. 462 00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:18,180 So, , I mean, there are hacks to do it, but it's like it's not ideal. 463 00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:20,980 I would love to have it like really, really well done. 464 00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:25,400 And especially because, you know, it works with iCloud and and and it should with 465 00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:29,330 iCloud Photos, it should just work out of the box like this? 466 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:29,600 , I don't. 467 00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:34,540 I really cannot wait to to get my new MacBook Pro. 468 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,880 It will have two terabytes. 469 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:37,480 This is the. 470 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,660 And I just checked my iCloud Photo Library 471 00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:43,740 is 400 gigabytes now, so bigger than mine, so. 472 00:28:43,770 --> 00:28:48,260 So , I couldn't fit it neither on my iPad. 473 00:28:48,290 --> 00:28:51,360 I could fit it on my iMac, 474 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:58,330 but it would be very hard because my arm, I is 512 gigabytes. 475 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,240 And I really cannot wait to to make a clean up of this. 476 00:29:02,270 --> 00:29:06,780 Icloud Photo Library because like, it's like nine years of photos, 477 00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:13,740 and I really want to get to grab some older photos that I have on some disks 478 00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:17,920 to upload it, like some photo library and , cleaning it up. 479 00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:22,920 I want to have all the files locally to do it efficiency. 480 00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:27,420 So I'm I will do it in in December on my new MacBook Pro. 481 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,880 Nice. 482 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,720 So that's the plan. 483 00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:36,740 And , and I'm really glad that, , I really can't wait to have this machine. 484 00:29:36,770 --> 00:29:41,740 Well, anyway, so apart from that, I'm really enjoying the iPad Pro. 485 00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:42,980 I'm loving it. 486 00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:45,280 So if you go to Michael Nozbe Teams iPad 487 00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:51,940 13 Pro, you will have to, you know, the whole review of of the 488 00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:56,660 three month review of my iPad Pro with all the details and some photos. 489 00:29:56,690 --> 00:30:00,840 And like for me personally, like, there are 490 00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:04,280 these drawbacks and these, you know, iOS limitations. 491 00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:06,980 But for my work, they don't affect me that much. 492 00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:11,960 But they they I still find lots of joy just using this iPad. 493 00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:15,780 And it's just I love having it as my my only, my only. 494 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:17,940 I mean, my main computer. 495 00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:21,460 That's that's we always think like using an iPad. 496 00:30:21,490 --> 00:30:22,640 It's a lot of joy. 497 00:30:22,670 --> 00:30:27,160 It has it has its limitations about, , it really sparks joy. 498 00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:32,880 Just like my iPad Mini that we talked about that on a recent episode. 499 00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:35,080 But it was two weeks ago, and I really 500 00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:38,020 didn't have much time to play with it because of November. 501 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,160 And. 502 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,400 So sorry, I don't have any new conclusions about that yet. 503 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,330 Hopefully, I will have it for the next episode. 504 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:54,050 But , you posted a two blog posts about your new Home Office set up for 2022. 505 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,400 Yes. 506 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,840 Here it is in the show notes and a chapter. 507 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,810 , and I have some questions about it. 508 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,400 OK, because so this is like this last question. 509 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,120 So this is the space. 510 00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:09,440 What you're showing right now is the space behind my desk. 511 00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:11,160 So this is what you can see. 512 00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:12,940 Like, this is the space behind me. 513 00:31:12,970 --> 00:31:15,740 It's not my desk. Hmm. 514 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:15,770 . 515 00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:18,700 So you're still have this Thunderbolt display? 516 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,320 Yes. What? 517 00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:22,180 What do you use it for? No. 518 00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:24,050 So right now, nothing. 519 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,940 Just there because I used to have the iMac connected to it. 520 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,880 But now I'm, I guess, in a different place. 521 00:31:30,910 --> 00:31:33,220 So the cable is not long enough. 522 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:40,570 But I am getting a Thunderbolt two USB-C to Thunderbolt two, Thunderbolt 523 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,840 four like that, you know, to have the dongle to to change it. 524 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:48,220 Slack and I talk to my iPad 525 00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:53,570 so I could sometimes connect to it and put some videos on there and some other stuff. 526 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,940 So 527 00:31:54,970 --> 00:32:00,020 I want to use it as an additional display, and I'm either going to use that, 528 00:32:00,050 --> 00:32:03,050 I'm going to sell it and get a proper 4K display. 529 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,520 I'm not sure yet like I used to use it just because I had it in my home and I've 530 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:09,810 had this display for just many, many years. 531 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,780 But now it's there just for decoration until I find a use for it. 532 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,360 . Okay, okay, that's good enough experiment. 533 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,660 All right. Another question is what? 534 00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:28,660 Because I can see some new stuff on your on your fancy OSB walls? 535 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,360 Yes. Mm-Hmm. 536 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,180 , there is. I think there's a new iPhone there. 537 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,240 So. So there are two iPhones. 538 00:32:37,270 --> 00:32:42,360 There is the iPhone AC and there is the the iPhone 3G. 539 00:32:42,390 --> 00:32:47,540 Yes, yes, 4G, 3G and both work and both work perfectly. 540 00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:48,810 Even the 3G. 541 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,520 And so there is the iPad three. 542 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:52,260 There is the iPad one. 543 00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:55,290 And I made a special kind of 544 00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,020 shelf for my water so I can have water next to me when I sit there. 545 00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:02,980 I made a special hanger for my am, 546 00:33:03,010 --> 00:33:07,220 so I have this stand for the iPad so I can use the iPad as on the iPad for drawing. 547 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:09,090 So I have to stand there 548 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,330 that I can just pull up and use it as a, you know, as a support for the iPad. 549 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:21,260 And then above this, this is the great one is just just below the the original iPad. 550 00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:24,940 It does build the iPad three the way it is. 551 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,360 Yes. So yes, exactly. 552 00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:30,400 This is like a stand, a pop up for the, you know, for the to use 553 00:33:30,430 --> 00:33:34,290 it and then iPad, not just for drawing and those kind of things. 554 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,570 And then I have a broken iPad. 555 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,640 Mini two, and it's completely broken, it 556 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,160 doesn't work anymore, so that's why it's back is there. 557 00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:45,980 So that's that's that's that's why it's backwards. 558 00:33:46,010 --> 00:33:46,940 Exactly, exactly. 559 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,880 I mean, the screen is not shattered, but it just doesn't display anything. 560 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,480 So I decided to put it on the other way around so that you can see a nice Apple 561 00:33:53,510 --> 00:33:56,380 logo and, you know, and that kind of stuff. 562 00:33:56,410 --> 00:34:01,280 And then I also put my LEGO on there on the wall and my Porsche Lego, 563 00:34:01,310 --> 00:34:04,960 which I really like and just, you know, personal stuff and of 564 00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:12,650 course, my collection of of Apple Watch wrists wristbands. 565 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,580 I really like like this. 566 00:34:14,610 --> 00:34:19,580 I wasn't a fan that first of all of this of this wall, but 567 00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:23,800 you managed to convince me that's that's the nice and it really looks very good as 568 00:34:23,830 --> 00:34:28,480 your background now as you move to your desk, right? 569 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,260 . , that's that's really cool. 570 00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:35,620 And I noticed that you do also 571 00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:40,690 like as you move to move your desk, you had to move your cables as well. 572 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:45,800 Oh, yes. That's because now all the cables are 573 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,940 below the entrance to the back to the balcony. 574 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,680 Yes. I mean, not really all the cables. 575 00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:57,650 I mean, I have just two cables that are below the entrance to the balcony. 576 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:06,860 So the main and electricity the cable and the Ethernet cable, and that's it. 577 00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:09,940 Everything else that is under the desk. 578 00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:12,100 Only to those two to the desk. 579 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,600 , because I also wanted to make sure that I can plug it. 580 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:17,690 I mean, I can unplug the desk completely. 581 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,100 So the Ethernet cable also is connected to other Ethernet cable. 582 00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:25,300 With this joint thing that you can, you can. 583 00:35:25,330 --> 00:35:29,980 There's plastic there, a plastic thing that joins two ethernet cables. 584 00:35:30,010 --> 00:35:31,420 So this way I can 585 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,120 unplug the Ethernet cable and plug the power cable, and I can move the desk with 586 00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:39,540 all of the cables in it so I can really freely move the desk anywhere I want. 587 00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:44,380 And I mean this here now I can move it a little bit, you know, differently. 588 00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:46,640 Or, you know, move decide if I don't want 589 00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:50,020 to have it next to the balcony for for some reason, 590 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,380 I just wanted to make sure that the desk is kind of independent, you know? 591 00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:58,460 And I think it's a good tip that you don't have too many cables going to the desk. 592 00:35:58,490 --> 00:36:02,520 Instead, you have just, you know, two cables maximum and the power and the 593 00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:06,000 Ethernet and everything else is within the desk. 594 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:11,380 So under the desk, I have all the power charging, you know, all the, 595 00:36:11,410 --> 00:36:16,420 you know, everything the whole infrastructure is contained in the desk. 596 00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:18,600 , , that's that's really nice. 597 00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:23,260 I think that's the best, the best setup you ever had. 598 00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:24,880 Yes, I think so. 599 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:25,570 . 600 00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:32,980 So have you managed to to make this display in the teleprompter mode? 601 00:36:33,010 --> 00:36:35,170 So we've mirrored screen. 602 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,650 There is no chance to do it. 603 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,380 I checked everything the the there an application that tries to 604 00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:43,860 like to do this, you know, teleprompter mode. 605 00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:46,520 , essentially, yes, to the Typekit didn't work. 606 00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:50,650 No, it works, but it's rewrites the screen. 607 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,170 So it's laggy. 608 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,500 Oh yes. 609 00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:56,320 So it's good for, you know, for text, but 610 00:36:56,350 --> 00:36:58,620 it's not good for this for video conferencing. 611 00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:01,300 VIDEO Because it will just be like, I tried it. 612 00:37:01,330 --> 00:37:04,080 I just told it, it works, but it makes everything laggy. 613 00:37:04,110 --> 00:37:05,540 So no. 614 00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:11,100 So no, there is no application or no way to like, you know, in the, you know, our 615 00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:17,580 macOS to flip the screen horizontally so that I can see 616 00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:22,300 like you right now in the way that it will be flipped. 617 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,880 Huh. I couldn't find maybe our listeners have 618 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,130 started to have some tips, so let us know if you know how to do it. 619 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,020 Exactly. 620 00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:33,420 I hope that I will have the teleprompter at all next year. 621 00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:38,860 So , I haven't bought it on Black Friday because like 622 00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:45,880 a really iPad Mini and MacBook Pro may make my budget for Black Friday sales 623 00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:53,320 really low, so I really must have to to resist myself from buying 624 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,520 stock because there were some good promos for the stuff. 625 00:37:55,550 --> 00:38:02,040 I do like to have this, but they're not, like, indispensable. 626 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,900 . So for example, I 627 00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:09,900 , that's a that's a go jump to the to the stuff we bought and didn't buy. 628 00:38:09,930 --> 00:38:15,480 , because I didn't buy AirPods Pro and there was a good promo for this. 629 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:19,210 And , I I'd really like to have have them. 630 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,900 I since I started to appreciate it, like 631 00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:28,640 just sitting and listening to the music for a while and do nothing else to focus 632 00:38:28,670 --> 00:38:32,210 on the music, to hear each instrument separately. 633 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,380 And now with all those fancy. 634 00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:39,210 High quality in Apple Music, no, it's no it's possible. 635 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:44,100 And with with AirPods Pro, that would be even even cooler, probably. 636 00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:48,640 So for the same, I mean for the same, not for the same reason, but for a reason. 637 00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:51,600 I didn't also buy the AirPods Max because 638 00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:54,900 AirPods Max were on sale as well, and they are very expensive. 639 00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:57,620 So they normally are 550 bucks 640 00:38:57,650 --> 00:39:01,340 and they were down to 450 or something or even less. 641 00:39:01,370 --> 00:39:05,460 I mean, very good price, but still, it's lots of money. 642 00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:08,900 And I thought and I asked around 643 00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:15,130 some friends who have AirPods Max and what do they think they think their grades are? 644 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,300 Why would they use them? 645 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,720 And one of the reasons is that they listen to music a lot. 646 00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:20,480 They like listening to that. 647 00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:23,740 And the thing is that I barely do that. 648 00:39:23,770 --> 00:39:26,940 I for for casual listening, 649 00:39:26,970 --> 00:39:31,780 I always have my AirPods Pro, so I have them with me on me all the time. 650 00:39:31,810 --> 00:39:36,020 I have these bossy, you know, and CS 700s, 651 00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:39,580 and I've hardly used them like they are here. 652 00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:41,780 But I use them right now for podcasting, 653 00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:46,380 but I hardly ever put them on for anything else and I could. 654 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,440 But I don't because I just have my AirPods Pro with me, so I thought, I'm going to 655 00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:55,690 spend like this, you know, almost half a grand on these new headphones by Apple 656 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,420 so that they can sit around like, you know, not really. 657 00:39:59,450 --> 00:40:04,900 And so, no, I decided not to buy them, and I was pretty proud of myself. 658 00:40:04,930 --> 00:40:06,600 , let's look at us. 659 00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:09,940 We are bragging about things we didn't buy. 660 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,840 . But then I take on Amazon, and I saw there 661 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:17,200 was a very good promo of Beats headphones, red ones and my and I showed them to my 662 00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:20,760 wife and she was like, I want one and I got them for my wife. 663 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:21,840 So I'm a great husband. 664 00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:23,340 I bought my wife 665 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:28,260 a beautiful red and noise canceling its headphones, and they will have the price. 666 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,160 So great. That's that's cool promo. 667 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,420 . And speaking of headphones, actually, 668 00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:38,160 like, as I said to like November was very intense and a lot of meetings. 669 00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:44,620 And one day even I even though I have these Bose like QC 35. 670 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,690 Yes. And they are very comfortable. 671 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,520 Mm hmm. But after wearing them for almost the 672 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:56,360 whole whole day with meetings and so on, my head and my ears felt tired of this. 673 00:40:56,390 --> 00:41:01,860 And next day I tried to just use the regular AirPods for meetings. 674 00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:04,340 And that was that was much better. 675 00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:09,480 And that that is why I'm I'm considering AirPods Pro, and once I have the budget 676 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:15,060 for this, I will wait for the proper promo and , and probably buy it. 677 00:41:15,090 --> 00:41:18,680 So that's one of the use cases that many people are saying. 678 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,000 That's because they work from home. 679 00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:23,170 They have headphones on all the time 680 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,280 and I don't because I'm at all in my home office. 681 00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:28,900 There is nobody else here. 682 00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:31,720 So in most of the meetings, I use this microphone. 683 00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:35,820 So there sure am found seven microphones, so a good microphone. 684 00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:37,880 But then I use the speakers from the 685 00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:43,130 computer for people who speak to me, so I don't wear headphones on the meetings. 686 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,680 It's only when I do meetings from the iPad. 687 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,320 I use the AirPods Pro for the meetings because then I want to have the headphones 688 00:41:49,350 --> 00:41:53,000 because usually they have my iPad, for example, downstairs when where? 689 00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:57,780 Yes, there are people in my neighborhood that could listen to the conversation. 690 00:41:57,810 --> 00:42:03,960 So and again, another use case that I don't wear headphones all that much to 691 00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:07,980 justify, like, you know, buying expensive headphones. 692 00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:10,170 , that's a really nice tip because I. 693 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,860 So it works well if you use your speakers home. 694 00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:19,440 I guess it's , there's no no, no, there's no. 695 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,360 I can't. I try. 696 00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:23,360 I try that. , try it, man, because it's like I use 697 00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:26,040 this microphone so people can can hear me very well. 698 00:42:26,070 --> 00:42:27,540 And then I use in there. 699 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,650 I'm just hearing the speakers, and that's it. 700 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,760 No headphones connected. 701 00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:34,440 So that's why I hardly use these headphones, right? 702 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:37,130 Anything 'cause I didn't invite, , 703 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:42,160 there was a great promo and you mentioned that maybe you want to 704 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,860 change your Thunderbolt display to a proper 4K display. 705 00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:49,720 , there's really nice Huawei Mate view display. 706 00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:58,860 Ah, it's it's 4K, but it's aspect ratio is 3:2 instead of 16 by nine. 707 00:42:58,890 --> 00:43:03,040 , and it's it's really nice design and. 708 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,960 , it was very tempting to to buy it to to 709 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:12,860 to have it for my MacBook Pro, but , it was. 710 00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:19,480 I didn't have a budget for this, so maybe that would be the next 711 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,940 my next display once I get the budget for this and Apple. 712 00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:27,650 We will see if Apple shipped something. 713 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,130 , the latest rumors are that something might come in March from from Apple. 714 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,300 So we still have hopefully still have a long way to go. 715 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:36,330 . 716 00:43:36,350 --> 00:43:41,060 And I mean, that's why I'm not, you know, as I as we mentioned, I was tempted to to 717 00:43:41,090 --> 00:43:46,320 change my iMac to the new iMac, but I'm just waiting for the other iMac 718 00:43:46,350 --> 00:43:49,560 and see how it's going to be because this one is good enough. 719 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,440 It doesn't have Monterray because it's so 720 00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:56,210 old, but you know, it handles my tasks and it's still a good display. 721 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,420 So it's all I need right now. 722 00:43:58,450 --> 00:44:02,740 , like it's it's the best this 5K display on the market. 723 00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:04,440 Exactly. 724 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,380 So I'm OK. 725 00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:09,210 I don't need an upgrade here. 726 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,000 So no, I'm really I mean, that's why, you 727 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,200 know, I wrote, and if you go to make a lot of office, you will see, you know, all the 728 00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:20,420 blog posts that I shipped since the all my home office. 729 00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:23,900 There should be a video in my home office soon, also dropping. 730 00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:26,000 I'm really happy with my setup right now, 731 00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:29,660 and hopefully for the next year, I'm going to tweak it anymore. 732 00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:35,210 I'm just going to use it and and just get, you know, get most of it. 733 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:35,620 . 734 00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:39,720 OK, so let's let's jump to the things I managed to buy. 735 00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:42,780 That's actually small accessories. 736 00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:46,560 Finally, there was a promo for AirTags, so I bought four of them. 737 00:44:46,590 --> 00:44:54,260 And , I really liked the set up was very, very easy and very satisfying. 738 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:54,780 Yes. 739 00:44:54,810 --> 00:45:00,980 Just on the Apple can do this, and I've also bought some tablet case and 740 00:45:01,010 --> 00:45:05,580 laptop sleeve from the company called Moft. 741 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,820 Mm-Hmm. And it's like this. 742 00:45:08,850 --> 00:45:10,920 The sleeve for my MacBook Pro. 743 00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:14,740 But this but this also origami stand. Hmm. 744 00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:20,210 So I can elevate my MacBook Pro if I want white covering. 745 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:25,300 That's very nice and the tablet to snap on the case, so 746 00:45:25,330 --> 00:45:31,200 I will be able to snap it onto the iPad Mini OK and have it with 747 00:45:31,230 --> 00:45:37,380 different angles, both in portrait and landscape modes. 748 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,820 OK. But , it's it's it's shipped. 749 00:45:40,850 --> 00:45:42,080 It's in China right now. 750 00:45:42,110 --> 00:45:47,400 So like more and more stuff are shipped from China. 751 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,380 I must, I must say, and 752 00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:54,500 I bought paper like like two weeks ago and it was shipped from Germany to Poland. 753 00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:59,880 And I still don't have it well because #PolishPost 754 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:09,160 like apparently it was on Monday, the postman was to try to deliver this, 755 00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:14,980 according to the system, but there was no, no legal notice in my mailbox about that. 756 00:46:15,010 --> 00:46:19,040 OK. And today, the same and like they are just 757 00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:23,340 putting fake info into the tracking system, and I really hate it. 758 00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:27,380 I would understand if they put a sorry, we don't have that. 759 00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:29,580 The postman. 760 00:46:29,610 --> 00:46:35,480 There are not not enough postman's in the post office and it's a delay. 761 00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:37,600 But no, they just put the fake info into 762 00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:42,900 the system that they tried to deliver, even though it's it's not true. 763 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,360 . , I mean, . 764 00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:46,840 And I ask people like to send me another 765 00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:51,060 one with the proper, the proper like company, and they did. 766 00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:55,180 So hopefully I will have it. That's good. 767 00:46:55,210 --> 00:47:01,020 Now that's that's the people who who are working from home like us. 768 00:47:01,050 --> 00:47:05,700 This is the most annoying thing that the deliveryman can do. 769 00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:07,720 He wasn't at home. What do you mean? 770 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,780 I wasn't home. I work from home. 771 00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:13,340 I'm here all the freaking time. I'm here. 772 00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:15,180 Hello. 773 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:16,920 And but you are not here. 774 00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:19,420 You're just putting fake news in the system. 775 00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:21,440 It happened to me. It was so funny. 776 00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:26,100 Like, like, normally I don't care so much that something comes like, you know, like 777 00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:28,780 Amazon wants to ship things everything next day. 778 00:47:28,810 --> 00:47:33,940 And they they exaggerate because sometimes things are shipped on Sunday. 779 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,060 I don't need these guys to work on Sunday. 780 00:47:36,090 --> 00:47:38,100 I can't wait until Monday, 781 00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:42,260 but once I remember, I really needed this because it was a gift from my father. 782 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,340 So I wanted it to, you know, to be on that 783 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,380 bloody Sunday, you know, and they said, that's going to be on Sunday. 784 00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:49,740 And it wasn't coming for the whole day, 785 00:47:49,770 --> 00:47:53,460 and I was sitting on my porch outside, take on my porch 786 00:47:53,490 --> 00:47:58,840 and they check in the system intent of delivery five minutes ago. 787 00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:02,120 And I'm like, Seriously. 788 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,880 . 789 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,040 They could call you, and they very, very could tell you like they have a problems 790 00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:15,720 to deliver this and you can you can arrange the meeting. 791 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,420 We have them in the city, for example. 792 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,720 Well, that's more convenient for them. 793 00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:22,060 That's whatever don't bleep put paid up into the system. 794 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,210 Actually, that's not good. No, right? 795 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:29,240 We understand delays that that's not uploaded, but fake data in the system. 796 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:30,420 Is that? . 797 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,780 . The worst thing they can do. 798 00:48:31,810 --> 00:48:33,260 Yes, that's true. 799 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,780 Yes. . 800 00:48:34,810 --> 00:48:35,500 Anyway, OK. 801 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,260 I think it's time to wrap up the show, right? 802 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,880 That's the high time to wrap it up. 803 00:48:38,910 --> 00:48:41,900 So thank you guys for listening. 804 00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:47,440 And , Michael, what they is in two days, actually. 805 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:52,260 So because we are recording this on Wednesday might be Friday. 806 00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:56,060 And for me, it's going to be very amazing because it's my free day. 807 00:48:56,090 --> 00:48:59,400 But for people at Nozbe and for you, it 808 00:48:59,430 --> 00:49:03,760 should be a mighty Friday, which means kind of free because after the review and 809 00:49:03,790 --> 00:49:06,340 just work on yourself on your personal development. 810 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,760 , you can. And after doing here, we care of you and 811 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:12,660 trying priorities for the next week, you can learn something new. 812 00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:14,900 However, some, some online training, what 813 00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:20,160 some videos from conference are what our product group to learn more about 814 00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:24,820 Nozbe Teams features, how to use it even even better. 815 00:49:24,850 --> 00:49:26,920 And , that's that is the way to have a 816 00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:30,300 great, great weekend after after multiplying. 817 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,360 And remember, if you enjoyed this episode, 818 00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:37,240 feel free to help support this podcast of the show, either 819 00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:41,900 by sharing it with a friend or leaving us a nice review in Apple podcast 820 00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:46,020 or by checking out our great app, Nozbe Teams. 821 00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:48,860 So that's it for today. Say goodbye Michael! 822 00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:51,540 Everyone have a great week and 823 00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:56,120 ho ho ho, merry Christmas is coming very, very soon. 824 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,200 This episode has not been created in the 825 00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:10,820 office because in Nozbe there is no office. 826 00:50:10,850 --> 00:50:15,060 Your hosts Michael Sliwinski and Rafal Sobolewski. 827 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,880 The whole production process of this 828 00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:21,420 podcast is coordinated in a project in the Nozbe Teams app. 829 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:23,940 Work is not the place to go. 830 00:50:23,970 --> 00:50:26,420 It is a thing that you do. 831 00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:28,660 Thank you and see you in two weeks. 832 00:50:28,690 --> 00:50:30,560 Remember you have a mighty Friday.