1 00:00:01,319 --> 00:00:03,809 Welcome to Digication Scholars Conversations. 2 00:00:04,250 --> 00:00:05,619 I'm your host, Jeff Yan. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,670 In this episode, you will hear Part Two of my conversation with Dami Akingbade, 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,699 a junior at Boston University's Questrom School of Business, pursuing 5 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:17,419 a degree in Business Administration. 6 00:00:19,674 --> 00:00:23,544 More links and information about today's conversation can be found on Digication's 7 00:00:23,574 --> 00:00:25,774 Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. 8 00:00:27,655 --> 00:00:31,324 Full episodes of Digication Scholars Conversations can be found on 9 00:00:31,335 --> 00:00:32,815 YouTube or your favorite podcast app. 10 00:00:34,415 --> 00:00:36,405 You know, feel free to talk about this if you'd like. 11 00:00:36,405 --> 00:00:43,004 I saw in your LinkedIn profile that you have been in a number 12 00:00:43,004 --> 00:00:44,485 of student organizations. 13 00:00:45,490 --> 00:00:48,340 Um, an African students organization. 14 00:00:48,740 --> 00:00:51,320 It looks like that you might've been the secretary of the 15 00:00:51,690 --> 00:00:53,470 African Student Organizations. 16 00:00:53,989 --> 00:01:00,660 Um, can you tell us a little bit about that and whether these types of learning 17 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:10,910 experience have helped or influenced the way that you, um, you know, participate 18 00:01:10,910 --> 00:01:13,360 in these organizations and so on? 19 00:01:13,780 --> 00:01:17,569 I mean, like, it's, it seems like the theme of what we're talking about 20 00:01:17,569 --> 00:01:24,545 today is Diverse perspectives and that really is what that club does for me. 21 00:01:24,635 --> 00:01:29,304 I joined the African Students Organization my freshman year and 22 00:01:29,904 --> 00:01:32,094 then I was just an events coordinator. 23 00:01:32,095 --> 00:01:36,525 I would help with planning events and really what it was was helping 24 00:01:36,525 --> 00:01:42,115 to bring people together and celebrate the diversity of Africa, 25 00:01:42,125 --> 00:01:47,105 the different countries represented within Africa, and helping people 26 00:01:47,105 --> 00:01:49,215 who came on campus find a community, 27 00:01:50,325 --> 00:01:54,804 was so important to us to have people feel like they have a safe space. 28 00:01:54,835 --> 00:01:59,035 Um, it's sometimes it's really difficult when you come, you leave 29 00:01:59,035 --> 00:02:02,934 home and you can't really find that home away from home somewhere else. 30 00:02:02,934 --> 00:02:05,334 And that's really what we're trying to bring. 31 00:02:05,405 --> 00:02:14,085 Now that I'm secretary, I try as much as I can to, um, you know, book spaces and. 32 00:02:14,455 --> 00:02:19,095 Contribute to meetings and make sure that we're thinking critically about how are 33 00:02:19,095 --> 00:02:21,545 we helping the people in our community? 34 00:02:22,015 --> 00:02:23,625 It's something I'm so passionate about. 35 00:02:23,654 --> 00:02:27,845 I'm passionate about building community and celebrating diversity. 36 00:02:28,194 --> 00:02:33,765 We actually have an event coming up soon, which is funny, this weekend, 37 00:02:33,765 --> 00:02:38,029 which is Just a Thanksgiving celebration since Thanksgiving is coming up. 38 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:41,579 Just a Thanksgiving celebration and it's like basically a potluck. 39 00:02:41,579 --> 00:02:46,220 And so we're going to ask people who represent different African 40 00:02:46,669 --> 00:02:51,409 countries to bring their food that represents them and their home. 41 00:02:51,409 --> 00:02:57,060 And so we're going to have people from all over Somalia, Ethiopia, Ghana, Nigeria, 42 00:02:57,430 --> 00:03:02,650 really come and bring their food and we all get to taste and just like have a 43 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:09,620 good time and really feel like you know, remove the stress of exams and really feel 44 00:03:09,620 --> 00:03:13,890 like we have a community here and just be able to celebrate everything that we're 45 00:03:13,890 --> 00:03:18,859 thankful for and that we have that culture and that home that we appreciate so much. 46 00:03:19,230 --> 00:03:21,500 So you said it was about diversity. 47 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:22,970 I think it's more about food. 48 00:03:22,980 --> 00:03:23,000 Yeah. 49 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:34,085 Um, let's talk a little bit about other things that, that, you know, that, Seems 50 00:03:34,085 --> 00:03:36,895 to be, you know, happening in your life. 51 00:03:36,935 --> 00:03:46,205 Um, uh, I saw that you, um, have just participated in the 2024 52 00:03:46,235 --> 00:03:48,255 Goldman Sachs Possibility Summit. 53 00:03:49,165 --> 00:03:51,795 Um, tell us a little bit about that. 54 00:03:52,089 --> 00:03:55,260 Um, what was that like and how does this all connect? 55 00:03:55,299 --> 00:03:58,429 Does this connect with all these things that we've been talking about? 56 00:03:58,429 --> 00:04:00,109 Or is this sort of the next chapter? 57 00:04:01,030 --> 00:04:05,609 If I feel like everything, everything is connected at this point. 58 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:11,349 Um, the Goldman Sachs Possibility Summit was another place that 59 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,300 was celebrating diversity. 60 00:04:13,350 --> 00:04:19,430 That summit was to help underrepresented communities. 61 00:04:20,829 --> 00:04:24,510 It was really Goldman Sachs way of like giving people a head start, helping 62 00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:30,280 people understand what Goldman Sachs is and I feel like my experience is 63 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,555 the fact that I was in the African students organization that I had done 64 00:04:34,565 --> 00:04:40,125 diverse things studying abroad that really came through on my resume, which 65 00:04:40,385 --> 00:04:43,745 helped me when I had that opportunity. 66 00:04:43,755 --> 00:04:47,605 And so the summit was really just a way to learn more. 67 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:54,840 It represented, like, the Black community, Hispanics, women, um, past veterans, 68 00:04:54,860 --> 00:05:00,750 the LGBTQ community, things like that, and, um, It was really just helping, 69 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:07,409 you know, bridge the gap and just help people feel represented and feel heard. 70 00:05:07,659 --> 00:05:09,330 Just giving us a space to learn more. 71 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,500 We learned about different practices. 72 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:15,480 We learned how to build a resume, how to interview, and we just got 73 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,150 that head start that we needed. 74 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:23,700 It was really an inclusive and great program, collaborative as well. 75 00:05:23,700 --> 00:05:24,940 You got to meet people. 76 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:28,320 I connected with so many people during that summit. 77 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,080 So yeah. 78 00:05:30,740 --> 00:05:34,829 And I should, I know that you're being quite humble here, but it 79 00:05:34,829 --> 00:05:36,790 is not an easy one to get into. 80 00:05:37,510 --> 00:05:42,740 Um, it's, um, it's a summit that has over 10, 000 applicants, 81 00:05:43,460 --> 00:05:44,620 um, every year, I believe. 82 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:53,030 And, um, and so it's a, it's a, it's a rather prestigious Um, uh, on your 83 00:05:53,030 --> 00:05:58,140 resume, but I think that this is what I, I, I, I sometimes wanted to, you know, 84 00:06:00,510 --> 00:06:02,979 I feel like that for folks who've been 85 00:06:05,409 --> 00:06:10,129 looking to get ahead, like you said, right, you have to look for these 86 00:06:10,129 --> 00:06:16,249 kinds of opportunities, but also have to realize that schools like Boston 87 00:06:16,249 --> 00:06:18,509 University and many others too, right. 88 00:06:18,999 --> 00:06:23,209 Have spent a huge amount of resources. 89 00:06:23,765 --> 00:06:32,755 And scholarship and intellectual, you know, prowess to figure out programs 90 00:06:32,794 --> 00:06:38,674 and design opportunities that is really professionally, that's their job, is 91 00:06:38,774 --> 00:06:44,255 to get students able to have these opportunities to learn and to, to grow. 92 00:06:45,025 --> 00:06:49,685 And for, I think that, you know, especially for those who are 93 00:06:49,995 --> 00:06:51,965 listening, who might be thinking about. 94 00:06:52,595 --> 00:06:54,865 What's the value of higher education? 95 00:06:55,065 --> 00:06:59,295 Should I just go in and, you know, do something else? 96 00:06:59,895 --> 00:07:02,025 And by the way, I take back some of the... 97 00:07:02,275 --> 00:07:07,184 for some people, you know, it's It may be true that college is not for them. 98 00:07:07,215 --> 00:07:07,575 Yeah. 99 00:07:07,585 --> 00:07:09,475 It may It may well be true. 100 00:07:09,914 --> 00:07:15,355 But I think that for those who are simply going through the Actually, 101 00:07:15,355 --> 00:07:22,510 rather rational, logical Um, thought process that is, Hey, if I want to be an 102 00:07:22,510 --> 00:07:27,939 engineer, if I want to be, you know, sort of fill in your blank, like, you know, 103 00:07:27,949 --> 00:07:31,319 dream job, dream, you know, like career. 104 00:07:31,985 --> 00:07:33,715 I don't need all this other stuff. 105 00:07:33,715 --> 00:07:34,235 Yeah. 106 00:07:35,294 --> 00:07:39,985 And I think that sometimes we just don't know better. 107 00:07:40,025 --> 00:07:43,465 We don't know that actually we do. 108 00:07:43,504 --> 00:07:48,284 And not only do those other things, those other things is what's going to make the, 109 00:07:49,024 --> 00:07:52,214 the job that I want possible, you know? 110 00:07:52,215 --> 00:07:52,645 Yeah. 111 00:07:52,715 --> 00:07:57,155 I think, you even mentioning that, it's making me realize I didn't talk about 112 00:07:57,185 --> 00:08:02,414 a huge part of the College of General Studies program, which is the Capstone 113 00:08:02,414 --> 00:08:08,504 that we have at the end, and you work in a group with, I think, about eight 114 00:08:08,505 --> 00:08:11,724 people, and you write a 50 page paper. 115 00:08:13,235 --> 00:08:17,564 Some people might question what is the relevance of that, it just seems 116 00:08:17,564 --> 00:08:22,134 like added stress, but you really get to understand what it's like to work 117 00:08:22,134 --> 00:08:28,485 within a team, and we live in such a fast paced world and the center of any 118 00:08:28,505 --> 00:08:31,305 business, whether that, whether you're an engineer, whether you're a doctor, 119 00:08:31,305 --> 00:08:35,894 whether you're working in business, you are most likely going to have to 120 00:08:35,895 --> 00:08:40,894 work with a team at some point, you're going to need to work with people and 121 00:08:41,174 --> 00:08:46,945 being able to have that experience from CGS of like writing a paper, 50 pages, 122 00:08:47,530 --> 00:08:52,310 a research heavy, being able to split that up, knowing how to communicate. 123 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:57,840 It's so important to have these skills from such a young age to really 124 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:03,290 help you build on that, allow you to make those mistakes when Arguably, 125 00:09:03,290 --> 00:09:04,920 it matters a little bit less. 126 00:09:05,660 --> 00:09:08,600 Um, and just being able to learn more about yourself, how you work 127 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,990 with others is so, so important. 128 00:09:10,990 --> 00:09:15,090 And you get to, you have so many options to choose from of what to write about. 129 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,559 You learn so much more about yourself, about other people in the process, 130 00:09:20,990 --> 00:09:24,800 how people think, what those diverse perspectives are, and how the, 131 00:09:24,910 --> 00:09:27,800 how those apply within your life. 132 00:09:27,820 --> 00:09:31,739 And How you operate as well is just, it's so important. 133 00:09:33,849 --> 00:09:39,779 So you had actually mentioned a few times, um, about learning about yourself. 134 00:09:40,389 --> 00:09:42,799 And we had also previously talked a little bit about that from 135 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,329 different perspectives and whatnot. 136 00:09:45,079 --> 00:09:49,419 What is, what is this about learning about oneself, right? 137 00:09:49,729 --> 00:09:52,769 So how does that apply to a business degree? 138 00:09:52,810 --> 00:09:56,699 How does it apply to your, and by the way, you're not defined by your degree. 139 00:09:56,699 --> 00:09:57,039 Yeah. 140 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:57,114 Yeah. 141 00:09:57,615 --> 00:10:00,785 You know, you are, there are things in the world that you want to do. 142 00:10:00,854 --> 00:10:03,925 You want to see the world in a certain, in a different, in a certain way. 143 00:10:04,284 --> 00:10:05,375 And you want to make that happen. 144 00:10:05,375 --> 00:10:07,574 You want to contribute to that future. 145 00:10:08,984 --> 00:10:14,405 What is the role and the significance about learning about yourself? 146 00:10:14,464 --> 00:10:18,134 Cause you talked about a few times and I feel like there's, there's more to that. 147 00:10:19,194 --> 00:10:26,905 I think the most important part about learning about yourself is just 148 00:10:26,905 --> 00:10:28,704 learning about emotional intelligence. 149 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:36,689 I actually gave a speech about this last week to my class about the importance 150 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,569 of emotional intelligence and really the first step of being emotionally 151 00:10:41,569 --> 00:10:43,569 intelligent is being self aware. 152 00:10:44,490 --> 00:10:50,820 And I just think that knowing who you are as a person, knowing what 153 00:10:50,830 --> 00:10:54,930 your boundaries are, what your triggers are, what your biases are. 154 00:10:55,500 --> 00:11:02,210 Being able to understand that is such a huge skill that a lot of people don't 155 00:11:02,220 --> 00:11:07,539 have, and if you do have that skill, you are miles ahead of a lot of people. 156 00:11:08,009 --> 00:11:10,679 Being able to understand who you are as a person. 157 00:11:11,095 --> 00:11:15,135 Helps you be more socially aware because you understand, okay, this 158 00:11:15,135 --> 00:11:18,425 is how I'm going to communicate with this person because this is 159 00:11:18,425 --> 00:11:20,135 how I think about this situation. 160 00:11:20,454 --> 00:11:22,674 And I know when to take a step back. 161 00:11:22,704 --> 00:11:27,555 I know when I want to speak passionately about something I know when and 162 00:11:27,555 --> 00:11:30,074 how to communicate effectively. 163 00:11:30,794 --> 00:11:33,385 That is important in any field. 164 00:11:33,385 --> 00:11:35,285 Like I said, you're going to be working with so many people. 165 00:11:35,285 --> 00:11:37,795 You need to be socially aware. 166 00:11:37,814 --> 00:11:41,490 And sometimes, Well, most times, actually. 167 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,480 Learning about yourself takes a difficult situation. 168 00:11:45,940 --> 00:11:50,870 It requires something challenging to happen and you take a step back 169 00:11:50,900 --> 00:11:56,599 and you look at it and you say, oh my gosh, I didn't realize that this 170 00:11:56,599 --> 00:11:58,569 is something that usually upsets me. 171 00:11:58,569 --> 00:12:01,630 I didn't realize that I reacted in that way. 172 00:12:01,630 --> 00:12:03,640 It was just in the moment and I just did that. 173 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:09,290 Taking that time out to self reflect on why you make decisions that you 174 00:12:09,290 --> 00:12:13,689 make and why you do the things that you do really helps you understand 175 00:12:13,689 --> 00:12:15,390 who you are as a person more. 176 00:12:15,420 --> 00:12:21,299 And understanding who you are as a person plays a huge role in your 177 00:12:21,299 --> 00:12:25,990 relationships, how you manage those effectively, and how you manage yourself. 178 00:12:26,470 --> 00:12:29,400 How you feel about yourself, how you feel about your life, you will be 179 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:35,589 more satisfied with life and you'll be more able to Self accept and have 180 00:12:35,589 --> 00:12:40,400 a better psychological well being When you understand who you are as a person 181 00:12:40,530 --> 00:12:45,660 Understand what your weaknesses are and you're able to work towards those as well. 182 00:12:46,180 --> 00:12:48,109 Can I ask you sort of a side question here? 183 00:12:48,540 --> 00:12:52,470 So Dami, are you always this self reflective or is it 184 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:53,860 something that you learn? 185 00:12:54,250 --> 00:12:56,290 Like, what is, what is it? 186 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,530 Um, I definitely had to learn it. 187 00:13:00,599 --> 00:13:02,769 I mean, no one's perfect. 188 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:09,719 Um, like I said, I gave a talk last week about emotional intelligence and really 189 00:13:09,719 --> 00:13:14,450 the start of the talk was when I had a time when I wasn't this self reflective. 190 00:13:14,910 --> 00:13:20,080 Um, I realize from a lot of my friends and that that's another thing is being 191 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:25,759 able to take feedback is a huge thing that comes with becoming self reflective. 192 00:13:26,450 --> 00:13:31,780 I remember growing up, a lot of people would tell me that I was defensive 193 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:33,810 and I never thought of myself. 194 00:13:34,690 --> 00:13:36,250 I never thought of myself in that way. 195 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:38,560 So it was something that I started to brush off. 196 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:43,560 But when I realized that people who I care about deeply, my best friends, 197 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:48,819 my siblings, were telling me like, we can have an argument and you can 198 00:13:48,929 --> 00:13:51,379 like, you know, lay your point down, but you don't need to fight me. 199 00:13:51,379 --> 00:13:54,110 You don't need to not listen to what I'm saying. 200 00:13:54,110 --> 00:13:57,760 And that's when I realized like, Oh my God, I had to take the step 201 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,320 back and be like, Oh my gosh, I'm, I'm not listening to people. 202 00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:05,865 And because I'm you know, I want so badly to be heard. 203 00:14:05,895 --> 00:14:10,675 I'm not hearing other people and I was able to really learn the value 204 00:14:10,725 --> 00:14:16,314 of being self aware, knowing when to listen to people and knowing 205 00:14:16,314 --> 00:14:20,524 that like sometimes speaking all the time is not how you get heard. 206 00:14:20,524 --> 00:14:22,234 You need to listen to people first. 207 00:14:22,724 --> 00:14:25,375 Um, so yeah, there's the self reflection journey. 208 00:14:25,375 --> 00:14:26,895 It's, it's, it's been a journey. 209 00:14:27,385 --> 00:14:33,215 I wasn't always like this, but I think with time, with age, with things like 210 00:14:33,215 --> 00:14:39,605 CGS that force you to be in those positions where you self reflect, force 211 00:14:39,615 --> 00:14:44,155 you to be in positions where you receive feedback from other people about how 212 00:14:44,155 --> 00:14:50,955 you responded to certain situations, triggers you to want to be better. 213 00:14:51,515 --> 00:14:54,525 And I want to just have that self reflection of, okay, 214 00:14:54,525 --> 00:14:56,315 what, what can I do next? 215 00:14:56,345 --> 00:14:59,885 How can I better myself on this journey of life? 216 00:15:01,715 --> 00:15:04,754 Can I, um, I, this is so beautiful. 217 00:15:04,754 --> 00:15:07,404 You just said, you know, these are, these are amazing. 218 00:15:07,724 --> 00:15:13,939 I, I, I want to, um, point out this notion that a lot of people have. 219 00:15:14,380 --> 00:15:17,790 And I don't know whether you even agree with it because, I mean, you, you 220 00:15:17,850 --> 00:15:20,180 only started college a few years ago. 221 00:15:20,199 --> 00:15:23,530 So, you know, before then you, you don't really know, you haven't 222 00:15:23,530 --> 00:15:25,650 experienced what college is like yet. 223 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,109 And a lot of people, and this is not young people alone. 224 00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:36,430 This is across ages, across the spectrum of people who have attended college. 225 00:15:36,855 --> 00:15:38,895 Depend on when you attended college. 226 00:15:39,015 --> 00:15:40,765 It could be 30 years ago. 227 00:15:42,725 --> 00:15:45,925 But a lot of people think about going to college as being this 228 00:15:46,064 --> 00:15:52,874 giant sort of pressure cooker of let's feed more, let's marinate you 229 00:15:52,875 --> 00:15:54,915 more in more and more knowledge. 230 00:15:55,264 --> 00:16:01,924 And knowledge, you know, is, is almost like in, in, in, in forms of content, you 231 00:16:01,924 --> 00:16:06,514 know, like, you know, I think everyone who's listening to you today can say. 232 00:16:07,479 --> 00:16:09,290 Man, she's really well spoken. 233 00:16:09,290 --> 00:16:11,300 She's really can, she really expressed herself. 234 00:16:11,620 --> 00:16:13,599 So there's that language component, right? 235 00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:18,069 To build the ability to carry yourself, to be able to, to express, to be 236 00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:23,829 able to, to, to, to make sense of the world and to be able to express 237 00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:26,720 that, um, you know, to others, right. 238 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:26,980 Yeah. 239 00:16:26,999 --> 00:16:32,424 Um, but, but there is actually, um, you know... 240 00:16:32,714 --> 00:16:37,234 and there's, there is, by the way, a fair amount of content, so to speak. 241 00:16:38,675 --> 00:16:45,095 If we hear everything that you said today, it's actually much more about 242 00:16:45,125 --> 00:16:53,055 the experiences that you were, that were created for you that were like, you know, 243 00:16:53,274 --> 00:16:55,735 like, here's, here are the adventures. 244 00:16:56,634 --> 00:16:58,074 They're well designed. 245 00:16:58,405 --> 00:16:59,814 We hope you go through it. 246 00:17:01,115 --> 00:17:03,795 It's not a bunch of content that we want you to have. 247 00:17:04,444 --> 00:17:07,214 We want you to have the experience so that you have. 248 00:17:07,690 --> 00:17:12,149 You're forced into doing the reflections to examine yourself, to learn about 249 00:17:12,149 --> 00:17:16,720 yourself, to learn about who you are, what your values are, so that when 250 00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:21,640 you I mean, you talked about, for example, the value of diversity today. 251 00:17:21,650 --> 00:17:26,520 And by the way, it obviously shows up in then what you then participated in 252 00:17:26,530 --> 00:17:30,800 at the Goldman Sachs, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, summit and the fact 253 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:35,840 that they picked you out of a 10, you know, um, you and a number of others 254 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,929 out of over 10, 000 applicants, right? 255 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,710 It's not some skills that. 256 00:17:44,060 --> 00:17:48,290 Or some content, I should say, that was read to you in a book, 257 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:53,010 like in a book, paragraph three, this is how you work with a team. 258 00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:53,979 Yeah, exactly. 259 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,029 They can listen all out, but you won't, you won't understand 260 00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:59,060 it, you won't learn it, right? 261 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,329 And I think that those are some of those things that, it's elusive, it's 262 00:18:03,329 --> 00:18:04,930 like, wait, what is college about? 263 00:18:05,139 --> 00:18:09,900 And I actually think that there's so much about education that is 264 00:18:10,534 --> 00:18:17,485 It's so obscure and therefore also so it's abstract, um, and therefore 265 00:18:17,895 --> 00:18:19,575 it's hard to put your finger on it. 266 00:18:19,805 --> 00:18:23,334 And people almost kind of discount it because they go, 267 00:18:23,395 --> 00:18:24,955 I don't know why I need that. 268 00:18:25,204 --> 00:18:25,684 Yeah. 269 00:18:26,925 --> 00:18:27,314 Right. 270 00:18:27,554 --> 00:18:31,915 Because it's like, it's not this skill that I can just check off in a box. 271 00:18:32,195 --> 00:18:34,265 Actually you do check those boxes off. 272 00:18:34,455 --> 00:18:37,504 It's just that it doesn't come from reading a couple of paragraphs. 273 00:18:37,504 --> 00:18:37,784 Mm hmm. 274 00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:42,205 Right, it comes from actually going through an experience 275 00:18:42,225 --> 00:18:43,965 that is hard, like you said. 276 00:18:44,264 --> 00:18:48,005 You know, they're hard and, and it's like you have to face it and you 277 00:18:48,005 --> 00:18:49,804 have to take courage to face it. 278 00:18:50,004 --> 00:18:54,424 You have to take hard work and resilience and all of that to face it and to then 279 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:59,505 process it and then reflect on it and then you go, now I actually own this. 280 00:18:59,525 --> 00:19:04,875 You wouldn't otherwise own it, because otherwise, we could have just 281 00:19:04,875 --> 00:19:08,365 said, Let's not worry about going to London, it's really expensive. 282 00:19:09,195 --> 00:19:11,775 Like, just read this book, right? 283 00:19:11,975 --> 00:19:16,094 John, uh, Regan could just say, Here, I wrote this book. 284 00:19:16,645 --> 00:19:18,254 Read it, and you've got it all. 285 00:19:18,255 --> 00:19:20,175 You don't need to go and do all of this. 286 00:19:20,254 --> 00:19:21,374 It wouldn't work, right? 287 00:19:21,374 --> 00:19:21,965 It wouldn't work. 288 00:19:23,125 --> 00:19:29,455 And that's the difference I feel like between sort of a learning experience 289 00:19:29,585 --> 00:19:34,554 as what education is versus just a bunch of content that you think you 290 00:19:34,554 --> 00:19:37,975 can just read about and then just Remember it and then that's it. 291 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:38,584 Yeah. 292 00:19:39,865 --> 00:19:40,875 No, yeah, exactly. 293 00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:44,334 I think I agree completely with what you're saying. 294 00:19:44,334 --> 00:19:50,915 I feel like there is that misconception of college is just a bunch of, 295 00:19:50,925 --> 00:19:52,944 you know, exams and studying. 296 00:19:52,985 --> 00:20:00,445 And while it is that, there is that part, but it's so much more the experience. 297 00:20:00,455 --> 00:20:05,134 Like you said, I think, of course, college isn't for everyone. 298 00:20:06,014 --> 00:20:07,575 But I do believe that it's 299 00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:16,570 Um, what I'm going to take away from college, mainly, is the experience. 300 00:20:16,660 --> 00:20:21,239 When I'm talking about that Capstone Project, where we had to write the 50 301 00:20:21,239 --> 00:20:26,899 page paper, I didn't even mention what the topic was, because it almost ended 302 00:20:26,899 --> 00:20:29,220 up not even being the main focus anymore. 303 00:20:29,220 --> 00:20:32,650 It was, Um, More about what we learned as a team. 304 00:20:32,650 --> 00:20:37,430 I think, honestly, the project, what I've realized now is the topic doesn't matter. 305 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:41,919 You can choose whatever topic you want to talk about, but what is 306 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:48,029 really the main takeaway is how you effectively worked with your team to 307 00:20:48,029 --> 00:20:50,600 produce a good, well written paper. 308 00:20:50,610 --> 00:20:52,370 How did you guys split the work up? 309 00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:54,550 How did you communicate? 310 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,680 That's really what the takeaway is. 311 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,459 What are the skills you learn from that that are actually 312 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,670 like applicable in other areas? 313 00:21:02,089 --> 00:21:05,280 Not just the knowledge you got from doing the research. 314 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,269 I mean, our paper was about. 315 00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:11,480 CTE, um, and brain trauma. 316 00:21:12,030 --> 00:21:15,600 That's not applicable for me because I'm going into the business world, 317 00:21:15,610 --> 00:21:19,730 but the experience that I got from that, that's what's applicable. 318 00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:23,800 That's what's helped me in other team projects that I've had 319 00:21:24,220 --> 00:21:28,190 working internships, working in team projects and classes. 320 00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:30,050 That's what's really carried through. 321 00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:33,010 That's what the importance of education is. 322 00:21:33,010 --> 00:21:35,600 It's the experiences that you get along the way. 323 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:36,120 You. 324 00:21:36,750 --> 00:21:44,040 meet so many people in college that are from all over the world and that's the 325 00:21:44,050 --> 00:21:49,600 really the only time where you're meeting people so many different people who are 326 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:55,560 all kind of in the same stage of life like at the same time and And are all 327 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,630 commonly working towards the same goal. 328 00:21:58,940 --> 00:22:03,629 And I feel like people don't appreciate that moment enough and really take 329 00:22:03,629 --> 00:22:08,010 the time out to reflect and be like, Wow, this is the only time that I'm 330 00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:11,350 going to be around 19, 20 year olds. 331 00:22:11,735 --> 00:22:15,514 That all just want to get a degree that all want to learn something from this, 332 00:22:15,885 --> 00:22:18,105 even though we're all so vastly different. 333 00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:27,125 I know that, uh, at CGS, you had been building a portfolio of your 334 00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:29,094 work throughout those two years. 335 00:22:29,115 --> 00:22:29,475 Yeah. 336 00:22:30,965 --> 00:22:32,345 Tell me a little bit about that. 337 00:22:32,375 --> 00:22:33,385 What that was like. 338 00:22:33,905 --> 00:22:34,905 What did you do? 339 00:22:35,055 --> 00:22:36,205 What did you have to do? 340 00:22:36,305 --> 00:22:38,445 And what did you get anything out of it? 341 00:22:38,985 --> 00:22:47,149 So At CGS, we had to use Digication to create an... 342 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:49,800 a portfolio of all of our work. 343 00:22:50,190 --> 00:22:58,709 So we had a homepage and we also had every single class already embedded within 344 00:22:58,929 --> 00:23:03,329 the Digication once we got on campus, it was nice that we didn't have to set 345 00:23:03,329 --> 00:23:09,620 that up, but we had to really learn how to include tabs within the Digication 346 00:23:09,620 --> 00:23:13,050 site to put different projects on there. 347 00:23:14,399 --> 00:23:18,469 And I really liked it because I liked that we were able to personalize 348 00:23:18,469 --> 00:23:25,060 it and customize it when you use traditional like homework poster sites. 349 00:23:25,810 --> 00:23:29,270 There's not really much personalization that can go with this, but with 350 00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:30,999 this it's literally a portfolio. 351 00:23:30,999 --> 00:23:35,009 It has a picture of you, a description of you, and it's very 352 00:23:35,050 --> 00:23:36,899 personalized, which I really like. 353 00:23:37,689 --> 00:23:40,600 And I like that it was like really easy to use. 354 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,750 You can just put everything. 355 00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:46,129 I like that everything is in one place and so easy to access. 356 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,790 Um, and so. 357 00:23:48,125 --> 00:23:49,215 Yeah, it was, it was nice. 358 00:23:49,215 --> 00:23:55,445 I think there were about 12 ish classes within it, and it was nice that we, we 359 00:23:55,445 --> 00:23:57,625 just had it embedded within the system. 360 00:24:00,125 --> 00:24:05,635 I remember, you know, seeing that your portfolio being presented 361 00:24:05,645 --> 00:24:09,745 for the first time, like for me, it was at that conference. 362 00:24:10,184 --> 00:24:14,690 And I remember, you know, Um, I believe that you, I still remember 363 00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:21,069 that you had shown, um, your portfolio through your London trip. 364 00:24:21,069 --> 00:24:24,669 And I think that's why I remember this food assignment so well. 365 00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:33,380 And I think it had, I mean, you talked about the design, the colors, um, And 366 00:24:33,380 --> 00:24:37,210 I remember, I think there was some of that that was part of the portfolio. 367 00:24:37,210 --> 00:24:38,910 Am I right or am I dreaming this up? 368 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:40,640 No, it was definitely part. 369 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,000 I included the pictures of the food, the pictures I took, like, at the 370 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,790 place within the portfolio as well. 371 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:55,610 Yeah, and I remember thinking, you know, I remember, um, you and John were 372 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:02,925 talking about how communication, You know, a lot of people think about going 373 00:25:02,925 --> 00:25:07,535 to college is just writing a ton and ton of papers, you know, but it's also 374 00:25:07,535 --> 00:25:11,364 about expressing yourself in all these different models these days, right? 375 00:25:11,794 --> 00:25:15,665 Being able to express yourself through photographs, through 376 00:25:16,224 --> 00:25:21,254 design, through, through how you put a sort of web page together. 377 00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:28,480 And these are some of the skills that frankly, it becomes a today's 378 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:35,840 everyday skill for, uh, a someone, you know, in the 21st century trying to. 379 00:25:36,655 --> 00:25:40,385 You know, whether you go into business or you want to become, you know, a 380 00:25:40,385 --> 00:25:42,275 researcher or what have you, right? 381 00:25:42,945 --> 00:25:48,665 Um, yeah, we're talking about data analytics, but that's not going to be 382 00:25:48,695 --> 00:25:52,514 just charts and tables anymore, right? 383 00:25:52,514 --> 00:25:52,855 Yeah. 384 00:25:53,245 --> 00:25:59,564 You're we're moving into such a tech-focused world that I think 385 00:25:59,564 --> 00:26:04,075 it's so important to understand, to know how different platforms work. 386 00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:10,780 Use things differently, what different buttons mean, what different icons mean. 387 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:19,869 It's nice to have that technological portfolio that has everything in one 388 00:26:19,869 --> 00:26:25,930 place and it is applicable to Data Analytics as well because I'm learning 389 00:26:25,930 --> 00:26:32,070 how to format things and the huge part of data analytics, especially 390 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:38,280 when working in a business field, is knowing how to present data in a 391 00:26:38,289 --> 00:26:41,279 neat, pretty, and understandable way. 392 00:26:41,989 --> 00:26:47,729 And I feel like having that design aspect of designing the portfolio in 393 00:26:47,729 --> 00:26:50,679 a way that it's readable for people, a way that it's easy for people to 394 00:26:50,679 --> 00:26:56,340 understand, definitely applies now in my major and everything that I'm doing. 395 00:26:56,340 --> 00:27:00,275 It's just, How to make life easier for people, basically. 396 00:27:01,485 --> 00:27:07,475 Yeah, I hear a lot of people that go through that process talk about the, um, 397 00:27:08,705 --> 00:27:11,514 experience of being able to tell stories. 398 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,000 So storytelling, not purely through the ability to write papers. 399 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:17,419 Yeah. 400 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:21,200 I almost feel like that it used to be the case, you know, like 401 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:26,220 every, most college students just write a ton and a ton of papers. 402 00:27:26,939 --> 00:27:30,279 Um, but, but today it really is not like that anymore. 403 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,519 Um, and I also remember seeing your portfolio cause it's so rich. 404 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:40,009 You got, you know, 12 classes worth of stuff in there. 405 00:27:40,009 --> 00:27:40,060 Yeah. 406 00:27:40,670 --> 00:27:46,909 That it's almost impossible to ignore the type of interconnectedness and the 407 00:27:48,250 --> 00:27:49,720 integrative nature of your learning. 408 00:27:49,739 --> 00:27:50,229 Yeah. 409 00:27:51,000 --> 00:28:00,159 And, and one of the things that I had always felt that that was important 410 00:28:00,239 --> 00:28:07,820 in, in education and learning, but it's somehow seems sometimes forgotten, is 411 00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:11,840 that you know, and, and I don't know what it is because of the way that 412 00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:17,430 grades work, work out in most schools or in most classes, the culture of just 413 00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:21,019 doing assignments and this assignment is worth 10 points and this assignment 414 00:28:21,019 --> 00:28:23,380 is worth another, you know, 15 points. 415 00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:28,120 After the assignments over, you kind of almost don't even think 416 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,460 about these assignments again. 417 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,640 It's episodic and transactional, you know, whereas when I see your whole 418 00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:45,009 portfolio, I remember thinking, man, that's a body of work and a body of work 419 00:28:45,010 --> 00:28:50,790 is different from a bunch of transactions, almost like, you know, when you look 420 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:54,040 at like someone's transcript, it almost looks like, it's just like a receipt, 421 00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:59,800 it looks like a receipt, it looks like a receipt, you know, but what we really 422 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,370 want to see is a body of work of someone who's accomplished all these things, 423 00:29:04,849 --> 00:29:10,740 and the sum of all of that is It adds up to be a lot more, a lot bigger than 424 00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:12,920 just, you know, a list of receipts. 425 00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:13,220 Yeah. 426 00:29:13,220 --> 00:29:17,889 I, that's, I think that's one of the reasons why I really valued like having 427 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:24,670 the portfolio and because I'm such a visual person and I really like to dig 428 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,120 deep and understand the value of things. 429 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,120 And I feel like having, like you said, that body of work is, it's valuable 430 00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:34,370 than just seeing a bunch of A's. 431 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:41,190 It's different when you get to go in and see the different papers, the slides, 432 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:47,140 the pictures, everything in one place, and you can really tell how the classes 433 00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:51,880 are interconnected than if you just see a class name and a grade right next to it. 434 00:29:52,570 --> 00:29:55,260 It doesn't have that same effect on you, and you don't 435 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:57,610 really see what the person did. 436 00:29:58,395 --> 00:30:01,795 What buildable skills they got from that experience as well. 437 00:30:02,435 --> 00:30:03,225 So that's the reason. 438 00:30:04,835 --> 00:30:07,325 Can we wrap up with a quick exercise here? 439 00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:09,695 Let's see if we don't work, but let's see. 440 00:30:09,745 --> 00:30:10,195 All right. 441 00:30:10,585 --> 00:30:14,425 So based on some of the work that you've done, right? 442 00:30:14,465 --> 00:30:19,225 I mean, you see your portfolio with all this rich, you know, 12 443 00:30:19,265 --> 00:30:21,755 courses, word of stuff in there. 444 00:30:22,205 --> 00:30:27,235 Now that you see them there, are there relationships or 445 00:30:27,255 --> 00:30:29,415 connections that you can make? 446 00:30:31,305 --> 00:30:32,155 After the fact. 447 00:30:32,175 --> 00:30:36,375 Either it's today or after these courses are over that, 448 00:30:36,775 --> 00:30:38,425 that surprised you, you know? 449 00:30:38,915 --> 00:30:42,925 Like maybe it's something that, oh wow, I did this in London, but I also, this 450 00:30:43,135 --> 00:30:46,955 reappeared again over somewhere else or, you know, something along those lines. 451 00:30:47,585 --> 00:30:48,565 Can you think of anything like that? 452 00:30:48,565 --> 00:30:56,555 Like I said, um, the experience definitely carries over and there have been moments 453 00:30:56,555 --> 00:31:02,015 where I've gone back into the Digication because it's just so much easier to go in. 454 00:31:02,075 --> 00:31:05,335 It's all in one place to go in and look at something. 455 00:31:05,335 --> 00:31:12,210 I I had to write a research paper for one of my business classes and I 456 00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:16,920 remember Professor Regan taught us like a really good way to write research 457 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,060 papers and so I just immediately was like oh okay Digication let me just go 458 00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:24,330 look in there it was I'm like it's all in there already so it's so much easier 459 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:29,740 to go from there and I think also from London like I said the experiences we 460 00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:36,080 had from there, the different classes, the fact that we were able to learn 461 00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:37,990 from experience was really what. 462 00:31:39,290 --> 00:31:43,860 um, London was, because of course Professor Regan's class, which was 463 00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:50,430 the writing class, we had the food in London critique class, but my social 464 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:55,490 science class, she really wanted us to, my professor, um, Professor 465 00:31:55,490 --> 00:32:01,470 Blaschke, she really wanted us to have autonomy in the work that we did, 466 00:32:01,780 --> 00:32:04,650 and so she told us, explore London. 467 00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:06,830 Find something interesting. 468 00:32:06,830 --> 00:32:10,690 You think about London, it can be history related or not history related 469 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:12,920 and I want you guys to create a podcast. 470 00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:18,310 So we actually submitted a podcast episode as one of our homeworks and 471 00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:27,830 then finally my art history class was, um, he told us go around to, like, four 472 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:35,470 museums, find interconnected themes, and choose from one era, either the 1960s, 473 00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:38,960 1970s, and create a slideshow of that. 474 00:32:39,515 --> 00:32:46,895 Depicts these images and homework being exploring is just so important. 475 00:32:46,895 --> 00:32:51,725 I think those experiences, learning so much about the world and how 476 00:32:51,725 --> 00:32:56,435 to communicate because all those projects, what they had in common 477 00:32:56,445 --> 00:33:00,005 is you're sharing your experiences. 478 00:33:00,005 --> 00:33:02,825 You're learning how to communicate experiences. 479 00:33:02,825 --> 00:33:07,825 This isn't just, it's not just writing a paper, it's communicating experiences. 480 00:33:07,825 --> 00:33:13,315 So whether it's through writing, through a slide deck, through a podcast, you're 481 00:33:13,315 --> 00:33:17,725 learning the different ways to express yourself, and I feel like that can be 482 00:33:17,725 --> 00:33:22,555 applied in any field, and I've definitely seen that show up in the work that I 483 00:33:22,555 --> 00:33:30,260 do now, where I have to analyze data and depict that through a slideshow or 484 00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:34,860 in some of my marketing classes we're talking about like marketing management, 485 00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:41,140 creating a slide deck that shows how organizations work, all that, all those 486 00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:45,820 experiences I had that I might not have had if I just went in straight 487 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:51,405 on have really, really applied as I've gone in through my work and I think. 488 00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:58,670 The Digication has been such a center part of that because the fact that it's 489 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:05,330 all in one spot is so nice, and it's so nice to go back and look on and be like, 490 00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:08,550 I created this, like I, I made this. 491 00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:15,580 This Digication was blank at some point, no color, no design, no work embedded 492 00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:17,590 into it, and I put the work into this. 493 00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:22,120 I designed this, and I've really made it my own, is what It's such 494 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,890 a proud moment for me as well. 495 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,900 That's wonderful. 496 00:34:28,130 --> 00:34:36,420 Um, well, listen, I, I've, I've been fully inspired by talking to you today. 497 00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:38,440 I've been inspired for you too. 498 00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:44,450 You, you, you, you know, honestly, I think that you give a lot of, I think 499 00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:48,360 that people who will be listening, this will, will feel a sense of hope. 500 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,240 And also. 501 00:34:50,875 --> 00:34:54,755 Hopefully a for those who have been pessimistic. 502 00:34:54,855 --> 00:35:01,780 Yeah about colleges And what it means and what higher education does. 503 00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:12,010 I hope it gives you some renewed optimism to sort of, to appreciate that, you 504 00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:17,330 know, if it was all about just learning a bunch of skills that people just 505 00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:19,440 read a lot into a, into in the book. 506 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,140 We would've just set you free in a library. 507 00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:22,680 Exactly. 508 00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:23,850 Right. 509 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,080 But this, it, it, this sort of planned experience, these going on 510 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,060 these adventures in a guided way by professors who have spent their 511 00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:34,950 lives trying to perfect that skill. 512 00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:36,900 Mm-hmm . You know, to be able to help you. 513 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:40,520 I think that's what you are really getting, you know, in a, in a, 514 00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:45,180 in a, in a well structured, well designed, higher education program. 515 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:49,030 And I, I really do think that people, um, before they. 516 00:35:50,525 --> 00:35:51,445 Dismiss that. 517 00:35:52,685 --> 00:35:54,605 Um, they should give it a fair shake. 518 00:35:54,635 --> 00:35:58,125 They should give it, they should really look at it and understand. 519 00:35:58,135 --> 00:35:58,695 Hold on a minute. 520 00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:04,370 These are things that I can't get out of reading a book. 521 00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:09,920 Um, and it's, it's just hard otherwise, you know, to, to be able to get, get that. 522 00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:16,880 Um, and, uh, and you've just been so, um, delightful to talk to and, and, and, 523 00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:21,151 and it, it, by the way, it makes me want to go back to college and be like, can 524 00:36:21,151 --> 00:36:23,470 I just do that London semester, please? 525 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,750 I wish I could go back to the London semester too. 526 00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:28,480 Right, right. 527 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:28,539 Okay. 528 00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:32,310 That's what, that's what BU should be doing, doing a London 529 00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:33,960 semester for alumni, right? 530 00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:34,680 Yeah. 531 00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:39,390 After you graduate, you know, you can still go back, but 532 00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:40,210 now you have to pay for it. 533 00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:43,540 All right. 534 00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:44,900 Hey, listen, it's been. 535 00:36:45,585 --> 00:36:46,865 It's been so great talking to you, Dami. 536 00:36:46,865 --> 00:36:48,795 Thank you so much for having me. 537 00:36:48,795 --> 00:36:51,105 I've, I really enjoyed our conversation. 538 00:36:51,855 --> 00:36:52,725 Yeah, same here. 539 00:36:52,725 --> 00:36:54,945 And I look forward to like, please keep in touch. 540 00:36:54,945 --> 00:36:56,895 Mm-hmm . I look forward to seeing what you do. 541 00:36:56,925 --> 00:36:57,705 Thank you so much. 542 00:36:57,705 --> 00:36:58,875 Into this next phase. 543 00:36:59,175 --> 00:37:04,535 I'm sure that lots of amazing things will come out of it and, uh, we, we, 544 00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:09,730 we are so glad to have been a small part of you know, your, your journey. 545 00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:12,400 Um, so it's, it's very inspiring. 546 00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:13,180 Okay. 547 00:37:13,220 --> 00:37:13,850 Take care. 548 00:37:13,930 --> 00:37:14,270 Thank you. 549 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,080 And I, uh, stay in touch. 550 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:16,350 Okay. 551 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:16,890 Of course. 552 00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:17,400 Bye. 553 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:17,830 All right. 554 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,360 Here's a preview of what's coming up next in my conversation with 555 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,380 Matthew Gomes, an ADP Systems Analyst at Bunker Hill Community College. 556 00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:34,240 But it, it is one of those things where the more you put into it and 557 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:35,930 by more, I don't mean quantity. 558 00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:39,930 But the more you put into it, the more you can get out of it. 559 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,980 So it transcends just that one class you're taking where you 560 00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:44,180 want to get an A on your homework.