{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":6.31,"endTime":10.12,"body":"Welcome to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where I interview"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":10.12,"endTime":13.93,"body":"various instructional designers to figure out what instructional designers do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":14.35,"endTime":16.209,"body":"I'm Rebecca Hogue, you're podcast host."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":16.66,"endTime":19.33,"body":"If you're interested in a different kind of professional development"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":19.33,"endTime":23.71,"body":"this season, check out myfest.equityunbound.org."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":23.8,"endTime":27.61,"body":"That's myfest.equityunbound.org"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":28.39,"endTime":32.529,"body":"If you enjoyed this podcast, please consider subscribing or leaving"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":32.529,"endTime":35.47,"body":"a comment on the show notes blog post and consider"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":35.47,"endTime":38.44,"body":"helping to support the podcast with a donation to my"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":38.44,"endTime":39.34,"body":"Patreon account."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":40.66,"endTime":44.8,"body":"Welcome Eva to Demystifying Instructional Design a podcast where I"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":44.8,"endTime":47.11,"body":"interview instructional designers about what they do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":47.59,"endTime":49.36,"body":"Can you start by introducing yourself?"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":50.2,"endTime":50.65,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":50.89,"endTime":52.26,"body":"My name's Eva Conover."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":52.27,"endTime":55.21,"body":"I work as a principal trainer in a health care"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":55.21,"endTime":56.56,"body":"system in New 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do."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1276.89,"endTime":1280.82,"body":"You know, there is a there's a wide spectrum of."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1283.06,"endTime":1284.86,"body":"Tools and careers."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1284.86,"endTime":1286.36,"body":"What you want, where you want to fall"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1286.36,"endTime":1286.99,"body":"in that line."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1289.92,"endTime":1293.34,"body":"What's your prediction for the future of instructional design?"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1294.57,"endTime":1296.29,"body":"After these last two years?"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1296.31,"endTime":1300.93,"body":"I mean, instructional design is going to take over."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1301.35,"endTime":1304.71,"body":"I really think it's a huge market right now."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1307.08,"endTime":1311.31,"body":"And because of, you know, corporations or everybody's doing 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everybody"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1339.42,"endTime":1340.92,"body":"to get their hands in it."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1342.0,"endTime":1343.77,"body":"And especially as more technology."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1343.92,"endTime":1344.6,"body":"I mean, who knows?"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1344.6,"endTime":1345.28,"body":"Who knows?"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1345.3,"endTime":1347.79,"body":"I don't I can't even predict the future any more."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1347.8,"endTime":1348.73,"body":"Like what?"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1348.81,"endTime":1350.52,"body":"I think we're doing things now that I would have"},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1350.52,"endTime":1352.77,"body":"never thought of, like ten years ago."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1352.89,"endTime":1353.4,"body":"So."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1355.93,"endTime":1358.33,"body":"But I think it's not going anywhere, that's for sure."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1359.68,"endTime":1362.52,"body":"Thank you very much, Eva, for coming on to,"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1362.74,"endTime":1366.01,"body":"to demystify instructional design and your willingness to be interviewed."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1366.35,"endTime":1367.84,"body":"Well, thank you for having me, Rebecca."},{"speaker":"EVA","startTime":1367.84,"endTime":1368.44,"body":"It's been fun."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1370.12,"endTime":1373.63,"body":"You've been listening to Demystifying Instructional Design, a podcast where"},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1373.63,"endTime":1376.39,"body":"I interview instructional designers about what they do."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1376.99,"endTime":1378.94,"body":"I'm Rebecca Hogue, your podcast host."},{"speaker":"REBECCA","startTime":1379.56,"endTime":1383.32,"body":"Shownotes are posted as a blog post on demystifying 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