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I'm Travis Bader and this
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Today, I'm sitting down with
Silvercore ambassador and my friends,

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Jason, Budd and D Nugent Silvercore.

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When selecting ambassadors looks for
people who have a positive outlook,

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a passion for life, a zeal for the
outdoors, they're always looking to.

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Themselves better to perfect their
craft, to share that with others

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and to share that positivity with
others and Jason and Dean are

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absolutely no exception to that rule.

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Gentlemen, thank you for joining
me on the Silvercore Podcast.

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Thanks

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for having me.

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Thanks for having us.

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And I'm busted.

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I'm actually touched by the

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well you guys has came back from,
uh, I've been watching the feed here

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for a bit, a little bit jealous.

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Uh, you were in the smoke
Bluffs out in Squamish.

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You were in, uh, climbing in Scott
Hall there and clone at Penticton

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Colona, FinTech, FinTech, that area.

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Yeah, it's been a while
since we've been there has

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while we had you TIFF and, uh,
My partner at the time, quite a

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few years ago, maybe 13, 2013,
that's going back or even further

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going back a bit.

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I got to dust off some
of my old climbing kit.

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I still use it, but I haven't
been using it for climbing

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for me being eight
years since I last time.

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Yeah.

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So maybe

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we were there 2000,
10, 11, maybe with TEF.

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Cause I know it was like a Semite.

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We camped at the brand
Barre campsite and yeah.

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Yeah, that was, that was a good deal.

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We ate well in Dean, I'm
looking at some of the food that

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you've been making up all the

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steak dinner, you missed the steak dinner.

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Yeah.

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Amazing.

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But you were saying earlier
that you only climb with Jace.

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Yeah.

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I don't trust anybody else.

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So have you climbed much?

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Um, I only got into climbing in
2014 when I come over the first

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time and it was like, Jay, she was
like, oh, come on, let's try it.

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You know, he was getting into climbing.

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So he says, I'll take you out.

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And it was like, is this my thing?

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Because sometimes you're following
somebody in life or you want to do it.

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Sure.

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So I was like, yeah.

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Okay.

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Then we'll go and have a go at this.

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Um, and then it was like, bloody hell.

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Why, why haven't I done this sooner?

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Yeah.

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When we went and

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did start Chuck.

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Yeah.

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And I've taken Travis over start check
because when we got into the base, you

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said to me, I know why you do this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And

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then, uh, cause you've
got the train track.

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Haven't you running?

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There's a bridge and we was halfway
up and this train trains coming.

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So I'm looking down this valley
with mountains in the background,

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a train going over the bridge.

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And I'm like, I'm at a place where not
many people come and get this view.

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And that's the thing about climbing.

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And then as we progressed on, you know,
on that trip, um, to more stuff, it was

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like, I'm going places nobody's been
before or ODS select few of people.

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Would attempt to go up because
the rest of the people down on

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the ground look and go crazy.

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But the thing with Jason is he has that
ability to teach you and put you in a calm

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place so that when you're doing it, you're
like, I know whatever happens, that guy

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on the other end of that rope has my back.

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That's where the trust thing comes in.

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Yeah.

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And that was something that
we were talking about earlier.

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And I thought, you know, that's, that'll
be an interesting topic on the, uh, on the

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podcast is to maybe touch on a little bit.

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Um, but being able to find that trust
in others and in yourself as well, the

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confidence that being outdoors brings you,
that being in the mountains brings you

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that being on the rock face, when you turn
around and say, you know, there are others

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out there that do this, but we've just
narrowed those numbers down significant.

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Uh, there's a level of
confidence that comes with that.

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How did, well, you know, why
don't we rewind a little bit?

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How did you and Jason first meet?

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So, um, I joined the army in 99 and
we used to have two phases here,

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phase one, where you go and learn
how to iron care, make your bed.

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He do lots of fitness and
you get to a certain stage.

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Then you would do phase
two, which was infantry.

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Um, um, my platoon, when we passed
out, uh, we only had, I think it

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was something like 12 or 15 guys
passed out out of the 30 odd.

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So it was known as a small platoon.

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So then Jason's was the same.

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So we've got, when we got to Catterick
the English guys from the prince

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of Wales division were told, right.

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Your mic, you're going to be put
in a job, platoon straight away.

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It's like, oh, jocks,
that's a Scott Scott.

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So it's, it's not an athlete.

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Um, so straight women like, ah, jocks
and all the training staff were Scottish,

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you know, um, training staff as well.

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So straight away the English on the
back foot, because the jocks in English

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don't really like each other to a point.

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Sure.

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We're not fighting anymore,
but there's still that.

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So it's like, yeah, we're just.

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I was one of the oldest and
Jason was one of the oldest.

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Sorry, you say all of

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this at 2120 debt, right?

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Because average age is like 16, 17.

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You guys are

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all boys.

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When they call in his grant, they
called me granddad at 21 at 21.

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Yeah.

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And it's like, this is 99.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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99, 2000, beginning of 2000.

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So straight away we sort of mingled
to each other because of our age

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and then got talking to Jason.

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He had his experience
in the Canadian army.

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So it was like, okay.

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And my father was in the army.

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I was in the army cadet.

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So I have a background in the military.

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So it was like, yeah, we know
what's coming, we'll just

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get on with it type of thing.

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Um, but then when you had your time
off, Jason would like you just like,

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oh, I'm going to stay as a staff,
come down to mind, you know, come and

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meet the moment and think so, we'd get
the train down to mine, go meet mum.

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And then eventually my mother was
like, Uh, had sort of been adopted.

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So at the end of training,
when you pass out, they have a

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parade, we do this big parade.

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We March up and down the square,
everybody that's got family go

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for this Curry lunch, anybody that
doesn't have anybody that goes back

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to the block and have to clean it.

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So of course Jason's now go going because
he hasn't got any family from Canada.

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Um, and as he's walking away, my mum
shuts where you go in and he says, I've

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got go back to the block because you
know, I don't have any family here.

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She says, you're my son.

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You're coming for colon.

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So ever since then he's been,
so my mum's adopted him and he's

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been part of the buy here, his
family to me now it's not a part.

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He is, he he's a brother
more than a friend.

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Um, and it just went on for them.

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And then a lot of Jason progressed
in the army a lot more than I did.

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I sat on my phone.

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Um, so he was going down for courses
down in Bracken, but Tewksburys

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already an hour from Brechin.

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So of course, then he would come back,
do his washing mum would always say,

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where's your Adobe, which is washing.

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So first vendor laundry.

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So as soon as he gets out of the
car, you know, mom's doing that.

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Um, and yeah, for 22, yes, 22 years.

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So

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the, the bit of the background, as well
as, um, if you remember, I think one

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of our first podcasts, my mum passed
away when I was in the EMT training.

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So I went back for the funeral square
root of dot, and then I came back.

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So, um, I was there
for the final exercise.

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And the Passover.

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And I remember Dean's mom when,
um, everyone had to come up and

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get their certificate for passing
and Dean's mom stood up and

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cheered louder, louder for him.

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And even my sister stood
up and I was like, come

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on now.

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Yeah, really?

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So, I mean, and not, and to me, she was
my English mother, like, um, you know, I

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talked about when being injured on that,
on the, on the last day, the Hills and

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selection, there was mother waiting out
on the drive was I pulled up, coming out,

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big hug, grabbed the laundry right away.

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Um, like when I say like family, like when
I got fast ball to go to Afghan with that,

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you know, one, two weeks notice to move.

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I left mother.

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Um, or my bank account.

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And I said, this is if you need it.

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And unfortunately, Laura, which
is Dean sister, my sister, husband

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passed away and mother had to use,
I don't know, five, 600 pounds to

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help with the funeral arrangements.

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And then she sent a message out to me.

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It eventually gets to me and,
um, and I get a message back say,

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Nope, that is what it was for.

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Right.

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He was going to pay me back to
all pay backs on everything.

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I'm like, Nope, it's a gift.

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That's for the years of the Sunday
roast dinners, the laundry, um,

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the support I didn't hold up.

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Yeah.

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Like even to the point, like when I
left, I accidentally forgot like 500

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year-olds I S I had sold a couch.

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Does some of the jocks in
Germany, I was leaving.

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And I, and I just first saved key things
left in the dress door ever of her place.

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Yeah.

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And I remember it as a flu.

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I'm like, I forgot the 500 year
olds and I messaged her and

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she's like, I'll send it to you.

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And I knew, I think
she was going to Egypt.

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I'm like, Nope, that
is your spending money.

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You, I enjoy that, uh, the time away.

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So, you know, money, money comes and goes.

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You can make more money, you can have
no money, but that connection that you

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have with somebody else that bonds that
you form, that trust that you build,

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you can't put a price tag on that.

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And there's been many
cliches written about it.

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But I think if people can just
hold that mindset of what's truly

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important in life and it isn't money.

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No.

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Um, it, it will help.

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I think it would help a lot of
people in their perspective and

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how they comport themselves.

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I think

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they just need to be true to
their selves and their friends.

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That's the thing we've been Jason there's
no, there's no, you know, airs and

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graces, but we're true to each other are
not lie to him and are not lie to me.

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And that's the biggest

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thing you can ask, as long as you got
that, you then get that respect of that

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other person, even though I'm a clown.

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Sometimes I know I am sure at the same
time, I know that he's got my bike last.

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That's my brother, because
I'm, I am me with him.

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I'm not I'm nobody else.

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I don't pretend I am me

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developing that level of honesty or
brutal honesty, not only with yourself

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or with somebody else is something that
a lot of people go through life and

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they, they, they never actually get their

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trust.

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And I find climbing being in the
mountains, being in the Hills

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personally helps you to develop
that level of honesty with yourself.

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And it kind of cuts through a
lot of that noise and static

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that life generally holds.

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So you can see what's truly important and.

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Once you reach out yourself, you
don't really want to be hanging

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around other people who don't kind
of have that similar perspective.

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That's what I find anyways.

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I don't know if you

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guys see that.

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Yeah, I agree with that.

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Um, yeah, I had a few times
where I've not been in the wrong

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crowds, but there's people around
that SAP, the energy out of you.

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Um, and it is once you find that circle
or then people, what you get back from

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them peoples far greater than any reward.

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Because if you find somebody that's
passionate about what they do and it's

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similar to what you do when you're
out doing something, it comes natural.

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And, and that's, that's the thing.

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We've mountains, Hills ultra running that
I've done climbing with Jason, it's that

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sense of belonging with that community.

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And that community is the same as you and
wants to do what you, you know, you're in.

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Um, and yeah.

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I'll climb with him
wherever he wants to go.

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Well, I want to catch up with Jason on,
uh, on where you're at with your, uh,

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ACM G your ski guides, your AMJ ratings.

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But before I do that, I'm
looking at your shirt.

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It says HR 4k.

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What is that?

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So HR 4k is it's a brand, um, it's run
by an ex guy from, uh, Hereford DSAs.

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Um, and what Ben set up is acuity
of adventurous operators and stuff

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like that, and for anybody else.

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So he also has the blue
light services will come.

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Um, they have black rifle,
coffee, contact, coffee, and all

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the, all the other, you know,
sort of veteran don't stuff.

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And he promotes veteran owned businesses.

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He promotes local businesses in Hereford.

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It's not all about the military, but
it's about people that are motivated

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about people, uh, that want to be
part of community that help you.

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Uh, he's done a lot for veterans and they,
they continue to do a lot for veterans,

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but they do some good stuff as well.

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And, you know, we've the
American veteran community.

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And then the UK community
Ben, and the rest of his team,

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they do something like that.

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They have some wicked events.

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So there's like, uh, I think
it's every Sunday, first Sunday

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of the month they have the car,
the motor bike, they do smoke it.

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So he's just belt
smokers who does brisket.

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And it's not the same, but
it's, you know, and it's that.

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And it's, it's that community where
you want to be part of, you know,

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this guy isn't of, I'm an elite
and this is what I used to do.

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He'll sit down and talk to him.

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And your story's just as good as his story
and that, and, and Chris, our friend has

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sat down, you know, we've been a few times
and they've taught and, and there's a few

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other guys that Chris is welling with.

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And they're in all of Chris's story
because when you're in the regular

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forces, you look up and you think that
God, you know these guys, but when you,

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when you get, and you don't take that
away from them, but when they sit and

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they say to you, look, don't, you know,
what you've done is just as you sort of

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sit back and you go, yeah, so, Hey, char
4k or art, it's that community based.

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And that's where I like that.

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That sort of what you were
just talking about surrounding

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yourself with them, all people.

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And that's the sort of people I want
to surround myself with, because

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they'll give you the time of day.

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And if they've got a contact within
the security sector or, you know,

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shoot or what, they'll pass that on to
you, there isn't a, well, who are you?

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You know?

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Oh, you were just a Lance
corporal in the British.

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It's like, no, how can I help you out?

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You know, th they always say,
you can tell a lot about a person

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by how they treat somebody who
can't do anything for them, right?

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The person who will berate the
wait staff for the cleaning staff,

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because they figure that they're in
a different position of power, um,

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tells you a lot about the person.

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And I've never gone a bunch for
people who will hang on their past

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accolades of what they used to do.

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I've always got time to listen.

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I've always got time to, um, uh, to
learn about those past accolades,

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but it's who you are right now.

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That really makes a difference
because you can have been just a

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wonder in the past and just a prime
loser now, um, and vice versa.

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So surrounding yourself with
those like-minded people,

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I'm going to check out HR 4k.

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So Jace, tell me, where are things going
with your, uh, your journey into the

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Hills here and getting yourself a credit?

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Well,

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the Hills, you bring that up.

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Um, I do have to do a quick shadow
shout out to, um, I mentioned Dean's

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family, but I also have a Brecken
family and I haven't really chatted

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too much about them, but, um, they're
a family that owns JJ surplus door in

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Breckon and Nessa, Vanessa, uh, mother
G and there are my Breck and family and

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Vanessa is kind of like a little sister.

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Um, they always helped me
with every time I was there.

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They, um, you know, my nickname was
buddy there and they've been in touch

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and I've gone back and visited them too.

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So, um, and thinking about
the Hills, they, when I got

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injured, they already knew I was
injured and off on the last day.

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Um, cause they're friends
with the DS staff.

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So, so when I showed up in and at
the house to see them, mother Jean

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was already waiting for me as well.

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A cup of tea.

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Is that all right, son, you know,
so the family entity, you don't

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have to be blood to be family.

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Right.

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So I just had to do a shout out
there, cause that says always

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on my case for not mentioning
her, uh, in our, in our podcast.

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But yeah.

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Um, you know, I, I passed
my full ski guide with DCM.

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CMG is winter.

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Um, good to get that out of the way.

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Uh, I did pass cause I am in the
American mountain guide association

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for the, um, Alpine and rock.

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Yeah.

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And they have apprentice
assistant full and Canada.

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We have a Prentice and full, full
ski guide or full rock guide.

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Um, and the end state is to
become, um, a full guide in

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each the rock Alpine and ski.

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And then you're a full IFM GA
international Federation of mountain

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guide association, mountain guide.

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So, um, I, yeah, so it
passed the full ski guide.

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Did the assistant rock
last year was successful.

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I'm doing the assistant opine exam
in cascades, Washington in June.

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And then that will qualify me
as an aspirin mountain guide.

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So it comes with its own
benefits and labels too.

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So next year I just have to
do the full rock and red rock

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and then the full Alpine.

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And then I will be at that IFM
GA um, member or qualified.

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Right.

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So, and it's interesting, we've
been talking about, um, identifying

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or that like-minded people
and, um, the military is an ID.

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Isn't is an ID.

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You identify where that, uh, coming
out, I joined the fire service, so,

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uh, union sticker in the window and
everything is how we identify ourselves.

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Right.

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People like to belong to things

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along to something tribal.

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Sure.

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Right.

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Um, but.

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One thing that, I mean, I
really enjoyed the fire, sir.

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I enjoyed the first year cause
really robust, resilient.

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They train you hard as probationers,
but as the first year goes on, I

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was missing something and it was the
robustness resilience at the infantry

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brought me and a realize is that
we're always searching for this ID.

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And for me it was searching
for that healthy ID.

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What is that healthy ID for me?

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And I started getting involved
with outward bound veteran Canada,

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and I was already doing dabbling
in climbing and stuff, but it was

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that first exposure without rebel
veterans, we did a ski traverse.

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I think they only did two other
programs and they dialed the back.

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Cause that was a pretty big commitment.

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Right.

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But they're there, but that really
got me thinking, yeah, I can do this.

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And I liked this identity and I
actually like what they were doing

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with the veterans at the time.

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So that was really my
first structure of goal.

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This is what I have to do.

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Um, to go through the guiding system.

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And I actually did a few other
courses with our rebel veterans.

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I did the rock and then came
back as a ski instructor.

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So basically they'd have two
guides and outward bounds

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instructor, veterans, instructor.

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And that's where I came in
and did for a few years.

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Uh, but like everything you
can't work full time in the fire

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service trained to be a guide
and then keep doing other stuff.

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Cause I was involved Squamish search and
rescue business owner of a rescue company,

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and then things start falling apart.

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Right.

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So because you're doing too much.

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Right.

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But I think that's really important
when coming back to that healthy ID and

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that's where for me, I identify in the
mountains and that is my actual ID range.

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Right.

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So it's funny that you kind of segwayed
into that because as you're talking

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there, I was in the back of my head think.

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And have you ever thought about
why you identify in the mountains

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and as you're going through these
different accreditation's to be

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a full fledged mountain guide?

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Um,

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as long as I've known you, you're
always pushing, always striving, always

00:21:41.625 --> 00:21:44.385
looking for the next thing, Dean,
like you're saying I was sitting on my

00:21:44.415 --> 00:21:48.075
thumb, but Jace was, uh, progressing
through the, through the ranks there.

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What is it that's pushing you?

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I've always like, even in the
Canadian army, I was just saying, I

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was like the next course, the next
year, the next posting, um, you

00:22:02.145 --> 00:22:04.995
know, maybe I'm just wired that way.

00:22:05.505 --> 00:22:09.595
Like I, my, my one partner, uh, Laura
said at the time, like, what is,

00:22:09.645 --> 00:22:11.655
when is enough is enough for you?

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Right.

00:22:12.735 --> 00:22:15.735
And, uh, I had a chat with Dean about it.

00:22:15.735 --> 00:22:19.455
And I think for me, it's going to
be that, um, for me, it will be

00:22:19.455 --> 00:22:23.655
the IFM GA when I'm qualified as
this as a mountain guide for that.

00:22:24.315 --> 00:22:27.345
But we were talking about
what we deemed as successful.

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Cause I mentioned, because
I said we were driving.

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I'm like, Dean, can you text
Charles since and, and see, um,

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which, which place we're going to.

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Right.

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Cause there's two.

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Yes.

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So he texted you and I said, yeah, you
know, Travis is, is pretty successful.

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And he says, what, what's your,
uh, what made you call success?

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What do you call successful?

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And for me it's not financial stability.

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Well, it is stability in that, but
it's being in a position where you

00:22:55.965 --> 00:23:01.095
can do what you want and not worry
about the financial obligations.

00:23:02.024 --> 00:23:02.385
Right?

00:23:02.415 --> 00:23:07.065
So for me, it could be like, I can retire
from the fire service in four years.

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Sure.

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And with all the pensions,
I don't have to worry.

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And then when I work in whatever
organization, as, as, as a mountain

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guide, I that's for me, that's what
I want to do versus have to do.

00:23:20.745 --> 00:23:21.044
Right.

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So for me, that's it could be living in
a micro home, off a $1,000 budget and you

00:23:25.905 --> 00:23:27.254
make it, you're growing your own food.

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And to me that's successful.

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That's my dream.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

00:23:32.024 --> 00:23:32.355
Dean,

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what's success to you.

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This been able to do, like I'm at a point
where I can work and then I can stop

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and I can go and do what I want to do.

00:23:42.705 --> 00:23:47.115
I don't own a home or anything back
in the UK just I'll stay where I'm

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working and I'll go see my children.

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And then it's like, right.

00:23:51.705 --> 00:23:53.565
Um, I'm in a happy place.

00:23:54.044 --> 00:23:57.345
I'm surrounded by the right people
that I believe are the right people.

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Um, and I'm able to able to do that.

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When other people are looking in in,
they're like, wow, that's amazing

00:24:04.004 --> 00:24:08.955
you in Canada, what you do, I'm just
visiting my brother raid to me by other

00:24:08.965 --> 00:24:12.915
people that is a lifetimes, you know,
saving, or they they've got a plan.

00:24:12.915 --> 00:24:18.585
All this so successful for me is to
look in the mirror and am I happy with

00:24:18.585 --> 00:24:21.075
myself and what I'm doing here I am.

00:24:21.735 --> 00:24:22.695
And that's why for you drama.

00:24:22.695 --> 00:24:26.235
I was saying like, to be able
to run these podcasts on a long

00:24:26.235 --> 00:24:29.805
weekend with buddies is to be.

00:24:31.320 --> 00:24:33.810
Jarvis is successful guy.

00:24:35.280 --> 00:24:37.169
Well, you know, you've had
to work hard to get here.

00:24:37.169 --> 00:24:42.210
Like that's the, you know, and, and I
default to, I should probably come up with

00:24:42.210 --> 00:24:46.260
my own definition of success, but I've
always stolen, uh, Earl Nightingale's,

00:24:46.260 --> 00:24:47.610
cause I've identified with it.

00:24:47.970 --> 00:24:51.629
And he says, success is a progressive
realization of a worthy ideal.

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Yeah.

00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:54.060
It doesn't matter what you are.

00:24:54.120 --> 00:24:58.290
If you're the school teacher that
loves teaching in your, uh, your

00:24:58.290 --> 00:25:00.149
worthy ideal is to help others.

00:25:00.149 --> 00:25:02.010
And you're progressively
working towards that.

00:25:02.430 --> 00:25:07.050
Uh, if you're the high flying entrepreneur
or whatever, making a bunch of money,

00:25:07.050 --> 00:25:12.180
whatever that were the ideal is to you,
success is that progressive realization.

00:25:13.409 --> 00:25:14.070
And

00:25:17.280 --> 00:25:24.180
you know, it's, um, it's one of
these things that, uh, money does

00:25:24.570 --> 00:25:26.490
to a certain degree by happiness.

00:25:26.580 --> 00:25:28.379
They've done studies and they say.

00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:30.360
People need to eat.

00:25:30.690 --> 00:25:32.460
They need shelter, they need clothing.

00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:33.810
They need some basic necessities.

00:25:34.560 --> 00:25:35.730
They need climbing here.

00:25:35.730 --> 00:25:36.090
Right?

00:25:36.930 --> 00:25:40.880
Speaking of that, I might
have some in my place anyways.

00:25:40.890 --> 00:25:41.250
Um,

00:25:41.340 --> 00:25:42.270
I still have your hang board.

00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:45.600
That's right now in, in
the back in the bedroom.

00:25:45.750 --> 00:25:46.260
Um,

00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:50.100
we should probably tell people the hang
board is that's mounted in your bedroom

00:25:50.100 --> 00:25:51.450
before they get some weird ideas.

00:25:51.690 --> 00:25:55.080
It's for strengthening your
hand grip and trap bought it.

00:25:55.110 --> 00:25:57.960
So drive is very, um, passionate.

00:25:58.020 --> 00:26:00.540
When he gets a new hobbies, he
went out and bought all this stuff.

00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:02.670
I've actually drilled.

00:26:02.670 --> 00:26:06.060
I should send a photo, but you want to
be able to take weight off this isn't

00:26:06.750 --> 00:26:10.680
so I have a pulley system hooked up, so
I add 10, 15 pounds so I can hang or do

00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:12.660
pull ups and it takes the weight off.

00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:14.250
So you're not straining your ligament.

00:26:14.260 --> 00:26:15.030
So actually drill.

00:26:15.825 --> 00:26:20.265
Um, a hook into that doorframe
because the hang boards mounted

00:26:20.265 --> 00:26:22.275
above it with this pulley system.

00:26:22.305 --> 00:26:23.745
And my partner is deaf.

00:26:23.745 --> 00:26:26.715
He used to be number three in the world
for bouldering and the outdoor circuit.

00:26:27.225 --> 00:26:28.785
And she hasn't trained to that level.

00:26:28.785 --> 00:26:33.645
She's a phenomenal climber, but when I
break this up and the police she's like,

00:26:33.645 --> 00:26:39.105
wow, I haven't thought I'd be training
on a hang board and yours and it's there.

00:26:39.135 --> 00:26:39.765
So that's

00:26:39.765 --> 00:26:39.975
funny.

00:26:39.975 --> 00:26:40.725
Well, that's yours.

00:26:40.725 --> 00:26:41.295
You keep it.

00:26:42.105 --> 00:26:45.915
Now, these, I tore my, uh, what is it?

00:26:45.915 --> 00:26:46.395
Brachial?

00:26:46.725 --> 00:26:51.345
Radialis radial brachialis, uh,
250 pounds is doing too many.

00:26:51.345 --> 00:26:52.665
Pull-ups doing too many.

00:26:53.085 --> 00:26:54.165
And then that sets you back.

00:26:54.165 --> 00:26:54.785
So, and you know,

00:26:54.855 --> 00:26:57.555
Travis would be honest, like
the level that we were climbing

00:26:57.555 --> 00:26:58.695
at, you didn't need to train.

00:26:58.815 --> 00:27:00.195
I know they hang on, they

00:27:03.015 --> 00:27:04.185
all in or not at all.

00:27:04.275 --> 00:27:04.995
Exactly.

00:27:05.925 --> 00:27:09.045
But that, um, that success
piece is interesting.

00:27:09.375 --> 00:27:11.985
Uh, I had a dentist, Dr.

00:27:11.985 --> 00:27:18.815
Crenn growing up and, uh, um, they
lived next to us, well, close to us.

00:27:18.825 --> 00:27:21.465
They would, they had horses
and ride their horses.

00:27:21.495 --> 00:27:25.035
When I was a kid, I, uh, I was
learning to swim in their pool.

00:27:25.035 --> 00:27:29.085
They had a YMC come by, almost
drown there three times in my life.

00:27:29.085 --> 00:27:29.775
I've almost drowned.

00:27:29.775 --> 00:27:30.465
And that was one of them.

00:27:30.465 --> 00:27:33.885
I got pulled out by my hair
from the, uh, uh, the deep end.

00:27:34.695 --> 00:27:38.445
But, um, he always had, you
know, the horses, the pool, the

00:27:38.445 --> 00:27:41.415
properties is a travel and everyone
just head down to Phoenix, went

00:27:41.415 --> 00:27:43.065
to Andrew's place in Arizona.

00:27:43.065 --> 00:27:45.915
And, uh, check that out.

00:27:46.095 --> 00:27:47.625
I said, well, what's it like to be rich?

00:27:48.885 --> 00:27:53.325
He says, you know, the more money
I make, the more bills you have.

00:27:53.475 --> 00:27:53.775
Yeah.

00:27:54.555 --> 00:27:59.025
It, it really, after a certain point
and you have those necessities.

00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.010
Money really doesn't mean anything.

00:28:02.010 --> 00:28:04.710
And you can always go once you get
that mindset, once you've earned

00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:07.950
and done something, it's easy to
get back there because in your

00:28:07.950 --> 00:28:09.150
head you've got that unlocked.

00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:10.020
It's just like climbing.

00:28:10.020 --> 00:28:12.600
Once you figure out a route, it's
like, okay, it's easier and easier.

00:28:12.600 --> 00:28:16.650
I know how to do that route now, because
for whatever reason, you were stuck on

00:28:16.650 --> 00:28:18.480
that crux and you just couldn't get by it.

00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.640
But now, now it's unlocked.

00:28:20.670 --> 00:28:23.880
Life's kind of the same way I find
once you reach those plateaus, but

00:28:24.450 --> 00:28:29.700
being able to differentiate once you
find that little money portion and

00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:34.950
realize that there isn't a hell of a
lot of happiness, that's found, there

00:28:34.950 --> 00:28:36.810
is a point of diminishing returns.

00:28:37.080 --> 00:28:39.570
And what is it that brings brings you joy.

00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:43.440
And so the mountains bring you
joy, being surrounded by the people

00:28:43.470 --> 00:28:44.970
who are like-minded bring you joy.

00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:46.050
Um,

00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:49.050
well, I drove, I did talk about
like the robustness, right.

00:28:49.050 --> 00:28:53.340
That I missed, but, you
know, um, you know, my mental

00:28:53.340 --> 00:28:56.250
health kinda, um, wasn't it.

00:28:57.150 --> 00:29:00.420
Doing well in 2000 16, 16, 17, really?

00:29:01.260 --> 00:29:11.790
Um, and I can honestly say the mountain
saved me, um, and I can relate climbing.

00:29:12.990 --> 00:29:17.670
Um, my mental health is
reflected in my climbing.

00:29:18.780 --> 00:29:25.590
So if I'm leading a lead climbing
and climbing in say tens or

00:29:25.620 --> 00:29:27.750
low elevenths, I'm on my game.

00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.210
If I have fear of falling because we
are protecting and everything else.

00:29:33.270 --> 00:29:37.410
And it's definitely, I know I'm off my
game and what I've had to do that is

00:29:37.410 --> 00:29:43.150
just continue at a lower grade or top
rope or second, but climbing is that,

00:29:43.320 --> 00:29:47.880
um, direct correlation of where my mental
health set and there some studies coming

00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:53.580
out, um, for me, BC of some scientists
studying that and relating to her,

00:29:53.580 --> 00:29:57.240
there's always people doing studies and,
and, uh, I've partaked in a few of it.

00:29:57.780 --> 00:30:02.370
And I can say, I can, you know,
assess where I'm at with my mental

00:30:02.370 --> 00:30:06.090
health is where I'm at with my
climbing grades and where I'm at.

00:30:06.090 --> 00:30:08.520
So I just know where
I'm at in my game, you

00:30:08.520 --> 00:30:12.390
know, you know, I, I don't think I'm
quite as fine tuned on that as you are,

00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:15.510
but I can definitely reflect the same.

00:30:15.510 --> 00:30:15.840
I know.

00:30:16.629 --> 00:30:20.409
My pack feels a hell of lot heavier
when my head's not in the right place.

00:30:20.710 --> 00:30:22.179
I know I'm winded faster.

00:30:22.179 --> 00:30:23.949
I know my attitude sucks.

00:30:23.949 --> 00:30:28.000
And sometimes it's just a matter of
getting a little bit of a warm liquids,

00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.250
India and getting the hard shell on.

00:30:30.250 --> 00:30:33.699
And all of a sudden I'm warmed up a
bit and everything goes from sort of

00:30:33.699 --> 00:30:35.590
a despondent feeling in your head.

00:30:35.590 --> 00:30:39.189
Like you're out in the middle of nowhere
and it's up to you to make sure you get

00:30:39.189 --> 00:30:41.169
yourself back to, okay, this is fun.

00:30:41.169 --> 00:30:41.590
I got it.

00:30:41.590 --> 00:30:42.429
I got it handled.

00:30:42.879 --> 00:30:50.530
Um, it's amazing how much the mental
health aspect impacts, um, the

00:30:50.530 --> 00:30:53.470
physical performance when you're,
when you're pushing yourself, when

00:30:53.470 --> 00:30:54.520
you're pushing your boundaries.

00:30:54.879 --> 00:30:57.159
Well, we mentioned like trust, right?

00:30:57.189 --> 00:31:02.590
So when you have PTSD or if you
have your suffering and your mental

00:31:02.590 --> 00:31:05.020
health, you lose the ability to trust.

00:31:06.300 --> 00:31:06.629
Right.

00:31:06.810 --> 00:31:12.330
Like, um, trusting yourself, trusting
others, you lose that and climbing.

00:31:12.629 --> 00:31:16.350
If you're in a two man rope team
with troopers and rope team, you're

00:31:16.620 --> 00:31:21.750
have to trust each other, you
know, um, that intimacy intimacy

00:31:21.930 --> 00:31:23.580
amongst the partners is there.

00:31:24.150 --> 00:31:27.180
Um, I remember this love
10 of Vancouver fire.

00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:31.140
I just come in from climbing
before my night shift and

00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.150
Vancouver fire is big hockey group.

00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:37.020
Um, there's quite a few climbers in
it too, but this left tenant kinda

00:31:37.290 --> 00:31:41.790
chirped at me and said, climbing's
not a team sport, not like hockey.

00:31:42.150 --> 00:31:42.480
Right.

00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.390
But, and I thought about that quite a bit.

00:31:45.570 --> 00:31:51.330
And in a way I could see on the
big level, it's not a team event,

00:31:51.360 --> 00:31:54.570
but it is a team event because
I could be guiding to clients.

00:31:55.170 --> 00:31:57.660
I could be ski guiding and
have eight to 10 clients.

00:31:57.660 --> 00:32:01.379
Like if I'm working at powder mountain,
the heli ski got me and I worked for.

00:32:02.205 --> 00:32:04.995
Um, or have worked for, I get
have 12 clients and a tail

00:32:04.995 --> 00:32:06.075
guide and the cat operator.

00:32:06.075 --> 00:32:06.915
We're a big team.

00:32:06.915 --> 00:32:10.335
We're all a team from the
clients to the ski guides, to

00:32:10.335 --> 00:32:11.805
the driver, to the other cat.

00:32:11.835 --> 00:32:13.605
That's working there to the heli team.

00:32:13.605 --> 00:32:14.385
That's out as well.

00:32:14.385 --> 00:32:15.375
Roll one big team.

00:32:16.005 --> 00:32:20.415
So I could see, yeah,
maybe on a hockey concept.

00:32:20.625 --> 00:32:25.155
It's not the same, but we're
definitely operating as a team.

00:32:25.785 --> 00:32:28.185
There's a certain point
of the military as well.

00:32:28.185 --> 00:32:31.725
And being British army that climbing
brings back because if you're on a

00:32:31.725 --> 00:32:35.805
hockey team and he don't have buddies
back and you ended up losing the game,

00:32:35.805 --> 00:32:39.885
everyone Rass, he ain't go home, have a
few drinks and try better the next time.

00:32:39.885 --> 00:32:43.365
If you're in the Hills, you're in the
mountains and you don't have buddies

00:32:43.365 --> 00:32:44.775
back and buddy doesn't have your back.

00:32:44.775 --> 00:32:46.995
He can have some pretty dire consequences.

00:32:47.025 --> 00:32:48.335
And that is.

00:32:49.365 --> 00:32:54.435
I think from my perspective, watching
you, there's three things that I've seen.

00:32:55.095 --> 00:32:59.385
Number one is, uh, perhaps it's
a bit of a replacement for the

00:32:59.385 --> 00:33:06.045
camaraderie and level of trust that
you would find in the British army.

00:33:06.225 --> 00:33:16.365
No, a second, not a second one would
be, um, there's a forced presence

00:33:16.605 --> 00:33:18.915
that you start putting yourself into.

00:33:19.095 --> 00:33:22.635
So when people want to be present,
they will sit down and they'll

00:33:22.635 --> 00:33:24.785
do their mantra and they'll own.

00:33:24.795 --> 00:33:28.125
And they listen to their surroundings
and they look at colors or they smell

00:33:28.125 --> 00:33:31.695
or whatever it is, they just try very
hard to not be in the past, not be

00:33:31.695 --> 00:33:36.345
in the future, be in the present well
climbing and being in the mountains,

00:33:36.375 --> 00:33:43.710
forces you to be present in a way that,
um, You have no other choice, if I'm

00:33:43.710 --> 00:33:46.320
not thinking about my next handhold,
if you're not thinking about how you've

00:33:46.320 --> 00:33:51.000
placed your protection or your gear, your
clients, um, there are dire consequences.

00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:58.320
And I think from a PTSD standpoint,
there's, I wonder if it's, I would

00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:04.620
think that it's healthy, but being
able to differentiate or being able

00:34:04.620 --> 00:34:09.990
to use that presence experience as
a, um, a segue to be able to do it

00:34:09.990 --> 00:34:14.940
without climbing cause otherwise number
three comes and that's, if you can't

00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:19.260
find that level of presence without
pushing yourself, then you're always

00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:20.610
going to be pushing those boundaries.

00:34:20.610 --> 00:34:22.949
And when you say when's enough
and when you say, you know,

00:34:22.949 --> 00:34:24.389
the, uh, the mountain safe.

00:34:25.275 --> 00:34:30.014
There was a point Jace where I figured I
was, you know, mentally preparing that.

00:34:30.014 --> 00:34:34.635
And you know, maybe the idea behind
the mountains were to push harder and

00:34:34.635 --> 00:34:39.915
harder and harder until such a point that
it's the mountains no longer save you.

00:34:40.335 --> 00:34:47.085
And that was, um, I always one of those
things, I, that I wondered if that was

00:34:47.085 --> 00:34:50.985
a driving factor and maybe it was a one
point, but I sure don't think that is now.

00:34:51.705 --> 00:34:54.675
And, you know, traveling, you, you
talked about the present moment.

00:34:55.605 --> 00:35:02.745
Um, this association was
a big problem for me.

00:35:03.015 --> 00:35:04.665
Um, like I live in Squamish.

00:35:04.785 --> 00:35:07.575
I drive to Vancouver for work
with the Barth fire service.

00:35:07.605 --> 00:35:12.135
There's an hour there that
would force me to discuss.

00:35:12.990 --> 00:35:15.149
And then I'm not in the present
moment and I'm back, maybe in

00:35:15.149 --> 00:35:18.359
Iraq, run back in Afghanistan or
I'm in a bad, bad relationship.

00:35:19.020 --> 00:35:22.529
Um, and I had to do many things
to stay in the present moment.

00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.270
Um, so I wouldn't disassociate because
I would put me in some bad places,

00:35:27.569 --> 00:35:30.750
maybe it was a bad, you know, some
of the bad calls have had with the

00:35:30.750 --> 00:35:32.339
fire service or the tech rescue team.

00:35:32.910 --> 00:35:36.569
Um, scent is very important,
really important sent to me.

00:35:36.629 --> 00:35:41.460
Um, one of them is, uh, when I came
back in 2009, I climbed, um, which

00:35:41.470 --> 00:35:43.500
mountain without, uh, every movie.

00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:46.920
And I remember that mark Celese
who passed away this Artek,

00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.819
he was there with his team.

00:35:48.089 --> 00:35:52.410
So we were trying to meet him at
the top, race him to the top we got

00:35:52.410 --> 00:35:55.980
there, but I remember lavender the
smell of lavender and it was in the,

00:35:55.980 --> 00:36:02.265
um, it was in the, uh, uh, Heather
Heather, that was up in the Alpine.

00:36:02.265 --> 00:36:06.855
And we went up to about 8,000 feet
and we did when we did our trip

00:36:06.884 --> 00:36:11.325
didn't summit, but that's that smell
stayed with me, Travis lavender.

00:36:11.745 --> 00:36:14.984
So one of the things I had to do was
a bought this organic bar of lavender

00:36:14.984 --> 00:36:16.325
soap and I'd keep it in the car.

00:36:16.395 --> 00:36:20.685
And, um, that would kind of ground
me and keep me in the present,

00:36:21.165 --> 00:36:26.325
um, to the point now I can, I
can catch myself disassociate,

00:36:26.404 --> 00:36:28.095
disassociate, and I'm very aware of it.

00:36:28.305 --> 00:36:33.254
Um, and, uh, bring myself back
often what I do now, I, I just

00:36:33.254 --> 00:36:36.225
have like talk shows like CBC, BBC.

00:36:36.585 --> 00:36:37.544
I listened to podcasts.

00:36:37.544 --> 00:36:40.245
I tried to introduce Dean
to some podcasts today.

00:36:40.754 --> 00:36:42.705
Um, but we're better chatting.

00:36:42.705 --> 00:36:48.645
Let's listen to music, but you know that
the far end of, of, uh, being in the

00:36:48.645 --> 00:36:53.504
present moment, um, what I like about the
mountains is that it forces me in there.

00:36:53.924 --> 00:36:56.265
I remember we climbed,
um, Steph and I climbed.

00:36:57.780 --> 00:37:01.140
Chilliwack peak, that's a
28 pitches or something.

00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:01.950
Awesome.

00:37:02.340 --> 00:37:04.770
I've only gone so far on that
one, but that's definitely

00:37:04.770 --> 00:37:05.280
was a highlight.

00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:05.970
And we did a few year.

00:37:05.970 --> 00:37:07.380
We had to, we camped on the backside.

00:37:07.380 --> 00:37:10.200
We planned, we, we camped up at
Pella card cause that airplane

00:37:10.200 --> 00:37:14.250
crashed into the sixties and all the
parts get brought in to this car.

00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:17.250
And, and we camped below it climbed
the whole, the whole thing in

00:37:17.250 --> 00:37:18.660
one day and got in the backside.

00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:24.300
But on the driver, I had a Tacoma at
the time and, and um, we're driving this

00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:27.660
really rough road and I, it was hot.

00:37:27.810 --> 00:37:31.890
It was dusty and to the climb and
I'm driving down the road and we

00:37:31.890 --> 00:37:35.910
hit this Washoe of full tilt and the
front end goes up, comes down, bang.

00:37:37.560 --> 00:37:40.500
And I Steph looked at me and I looked
at her and I said, Def I wasn't here.

00:37:40.530 --> 00:37:45.690
I was in a land Rover in Helmand
province, driving down the road.

00:37:46.710 --> 00:37:52.110
Like I actually wasn't in my Tacoma
with Steph after Clemis Alessi, Iowa.

00:37:53.174 --> 00:37:57.615
In Garmsir district coming out
from the gun line, down into our

00:37:57.705 --> 00:38:01.754
fob, for example, and what I, and
what woke me up was hitting that.

00:38:02.205 --> 00:38:05.024
So that's how significant
my disassociation was.

00:38:05.024 --> 00:38:05.805
Right, right.

00:38:06.075 --> 00:38:10.964
So, uh, that's why being in the
mountains, for example, forces me

00:38:11.714 --> 00:38:14.865
to be in the present moment and
I love it being in the present.

00:38:14.865 --> 00:38:14.955
Right.

00:38:14.955 --> 00:38:17.415
And there's lots of things you can,
you can keep yourself there too.

00:38:17.415 --> 00:38:17.654
Right.

00:38:17.955 --> 00:38:23.564
Smells, sights, um, positive
reinforcement, you know, use

00:38:25.544 --> 00:38:26.145
indeed.

00:38:26.174 --> 00:38:28.484
You've you're into running as well.

00:38:28.484 --> 00:38:28.845
Aren't you

00:38:29.145 --> 00:38:29.805
ultra running.

00:38:29.805 --> 00:38:30.105
Yeah.

00:38:30.404 --> 00:38:34.935
It's similar to Jason when I, um, when I.

00:38:36.255 --> 00:38:38.745
My father died 2014.

00:38:38.955 --> 00:38:41.985
I was out, I was out here,
but he had throat cancer.

00:38:42.765 --> 00:38:46.065
Um, and then I come out, I'd
done the climb in and everything.

00:38:46.095 --> 00:38:49.785
And it was like, I need to find
something I need similar to Jason.

00:38:49.815 --> 00:38:51.045
It wasn't about saving me.

00:38:51.855 --> 00:38:54.825
It was about, I need
to do something for me.

00:38:54.855 --> 00:38:56.955
I don't feel like fit anywhere.

00:38:57.735 --> 00:39:00.645
I've come out now I've
done a few little jobs.

00:39:00.705 --> 00:39:01.935
What am I doing?

00:39:02.015 --> 00:39:03.285
Where is my next move?

00:39:03.285 --> 00:39:06.225
What, you know, w what's
life got in for me?

00:39:07.065 --> 00:39:12.075
So then I went online, typed in adventure
race and the Squamish 50, 50 come up.

00:39:12.075 --> 00:39:14.955
And I was like, what the, how really?

00:39:15.015 --> 00:39:20.355
So I watched this video by the ginger
runner and, um, and I remember the, when

00:39:20.355 --> 00:39:23.415
they, it was on and Jason said to me, he
says, oh, we're going to get out of town.

00:39:23.415 --> 00:39:24.495
The zombies are coming in.

00:39:24.495 --> 00:39:25.095
And I was like, what?

00:39:25.125 --> 00:39:27.705
He says, it's a festival
or something going on.

00:39:28.245 --> 00:39:31.485
Um, so we, we went our
town, but it was the 50 50.

00:39:31.905 --> 00:39:34.845
So I watched this video and then straight
after I went onto the website and I went.

00:39:36.495 --> 00:39:41.145
And I booked the 50, 50, not just
the 25 K the 50 miles the first

00:39:41.145 --> 00:39:42.675
day, then the 50 K the second day.

00:39:43.335 --> 00:39:45.435
Not having run since I was in the army.

00:39:45.825 --> 00:39:47.955
So now I'm sat here
beyond this computer in.

00:39:49.275 --> 00:39:51.735
I need to run, I need to get out running.

00:39:52.215 --> 00:39:55.815
So I just started with 5k
10 K half marathon marathon.

00:39:55.905 --> 00:40:02.625
And then I got in with, um, some
folks down in Dom or called pure

00:40:02.625 --> 00:40:04.725
trail and they run a running events.

00:40:05.055 --> 00:40:07.815
Um, and then on a Wednesday
they had a group Bunin.

00:40:08.205 --> 00:40:10.785
So if I was down in that area,
cause I've got family in Plymouth,

00:40:10.845 --> 00:40:13.125
I would then go meet him on
the mall, go running with them.

00:40:13.635 --> 00:40:14.925
Um, and then I done.

00:40:15.985 --> 00:40:20.235
Plymouth Plymouth, um, marathon, which has
done a bike track then up the bike track.

00:40:20.235 --> 00:40:24.285
But it's a real nice down through
the Hills and old way recheck.

00:40:25.035 --> 00:40:27.795
So I started making friends and they'd
be like, oh, we're running this one.

00:40:27.795 --> 00:40:29.295
And this one, so was like, oh, meet up.

00:40:29.295 --> 00:40:32.145
And you get you can't you get
your tent out, you fire in the

00:40:32.145 --> 00:40:35.265
nighttime, you sit talking about
the race and then you'd go off.

00:40:35.565 --> 00:40:39.495
The thing about ultra running
is it was a couple of things.

00:40:39.495 --> 00:40:43.575
So it was seeing the things
and the journey as you run.

00:40:45.674 --> 00:40:47.805
And a lot of people think when
you say ultra running, it's

00:40:47.805 --> 00:40:49.965
like what you run for 16 hours?

00:40:50.895 --> 00:40:55.785
No, it took me 16 hours to
cover 70 miles, but there were

00:40:55.845 --> 00:40:57.765
eight stations along that way.

00:40:58.455 --> 00:41:00.045
So you start, you have a bite to eat.

00:41:00.045 --> 00:41:01.875
If you need to, you have five, 10 minutes.

00:41:01.904 --> 00:41:08.505
If you've got a crew, like at Squamish 50
50, I had, um, Jason and Dan SL friend.

00:41:08.985 --> 00:41:12.765
Um, and they give you that bit of a push
because there's sometimes when you're

00:41:12.765 --> 00:41:15.779
on that trail, Why am I doing this?

00:41:17.220 --> 00:41:18.779
Why did I book this?

00:41:18.779 --> 00:41:23.009
And you question, not just your
ability, but you question yourself.

00:41:23.069 --> 00:41:25.080
It's can I do this?

00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:26.279
What am I thinking?

00:41:26.339 --> 00:41:28.290
I'll be easier if I just
get off now and finish.

00:41:28.859 --> 00:41:30.210
Just, I say, I shouldn't be here.

00:41:30.210 --> 00:41:31.319
Look at these other people.

00:41:31.350 --> 00:41:31.710
Right.

00:41:31.830 --> 00:41:33.180
But we've trail running.

00:41:33.750 --> 00:41:35.879
Everybody has a story on that trail.

00:41:36.779 --> 00:41:38.580
They're not running because
they just love running.

00:41:38.609 --> 00:41:41.640
They have a story that's brought
them to trail running and the

00:41:41.640 --> 00:41:43.710
ultra Mao, the ultra orphan scene.

00:41:44.339 --> 00:41:46.379
Um, and then the ones that are good at it.

00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:47.250
Fantastic.

00:41:47.520 --> 00:41:49.680
And they, but they still got time for you.

00:41:50.549 --> 00:41:55.740
So I remember 2016 when I, I
run the first time, uh, Dakota

00:41:55.740 --> 00:41:59.460
Jones is a big time runner and he
came and he won the man's right.

00:41:59.520 --> 00:42:00.390
The men's race.

00:42:00.750 --> 00:42:05.640
Um, but I was stood there talking to
him and he's a young lad still, but

00:42:05.640 --> 00:42:07.109
he, they have the time they live in.

00:42:08.859 --> 00:42:10.049
They haven't got big houses.

00:42:10.049 --> 00:42:13.259
They just they're in vans and they
love running and they love, they're

00:42:13.259 --> 00:42:14.459
passionate about what they do.

00:42:14.970 --> 00:42:16.770
Sounds like this is brilliant.

00:42:17.189 --> 00:42:19.200
So like yourself, I popped back.

00:42:19.259 --> 00:42:20.459
I stopped buying all the kit.

00:42:20.549 --> 00:42:21.270
I'm brilliant.

00:42:21.810 --> 00:42:22.370
I need this.

00:42:22.379 --> 00:42:22.919
I need that.

00:42:22.950 --> 00:42:23.189
Right.

00:42:23.339 --> 00:42:24.390
Quite what's he wearing?

00:42:24.419 --> 00:42:24.660
Right.

00:42:24.660 --> 00:42:25.470
I need to behave them.

00:42:26.279 --> 00:42:27.750
And it's like, oh, they're
wearing them shoes.

00:42:27.839 --> 00:42:29.640
And he's like, you don't,

00:42:29.910 --> 00:42:31.740
you don't need it any, you never really

00:42:31.740 --> 00:42:32.009
do.

00:42:32.040 --> 00:42:32.819
Don't need it.

00:42:33.180 --> 00:42:35.100
You could just put a pair
of dApps on that work.

00:42:35.100 --> 00:42:35.459
All right.

00:42:35.459 --> 00:42:39.750
For you, you could go out with some tiny
shorts on and a cotton t-shirt yeah.

00:42:40.259 --> 00:42:44.910
I don't need the top brand or, you
know, the running vests and all that.

00:42:44.970 --> 00:42:48.990
The, the data there's certain races
where you have to have certain stuff like

00:42:49.049 --> 00:42:54.299
a, you know, a warm blanket, you know,
hydration, food or whistle, you know,

00:42:54.359 --> 00:43:00.299
uh, if you get lost, but it was just
that pureness of just running in nature.

00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:04.050
Like gave me that sense of belonging.

00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:07.470
I'd found my peer group
along with climbing.

00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:09.780
It was ultra running.

00:43:12.270 --> 00:43:17.220
So now when I have my moments, I
put on a pair of trainers, I get

00:43:17.220 --> 00:43:22.110
out the door because the endorphin
spike, because I'm doing exercise

00:43:22.740 --> 00:43:24.450
and then I felt fantastic about it.

00:43:25.200 --> 00:43:27.390
And I'm like, yes, brilliant.

00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.940
And that's the thing with the
ultra is it's a, it's a very

00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.760
long spike when you do so.

00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:40.950
The biggest race I've done with 70 miles
in 16 hours, uh, and when you've run

00:43:40.950 --> 00:43:46.080
that, and then you stop and you've been
running with other people, you just did.

00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:46.770
We just do that.

00:43:48.735 --> 00:43:53.115
And sometimes I say, Jason
pushes me when we're climbing.

00:43:53.535 --> 00:43:54.525
And I thank him for it.

00:43:55.305 --> 00:43:55.905
He's like, right.

00:43:55.965 --> 00:44:00.375
We'll do like most of this last trip
down the scar was about technique

00:44:00.405 --> 00:44:01.785
turning and hips and all this.

00:44:01.785 --> 00:44:03.555
And I'm like, I'm not dancing, Jason.

00:44:04.635 --> 00:44:05.025
It's like, yeah.

00:44:05.055 --> 00:44:08.445
But if you do this watch and then
was like, and then you do it.

00:44:08.445 --> 00:44:10.545
And it's like, I've just
reached two inches higher.

00:44:11.475 --> 00:44:13.065
There's a, there's a ledge there.

00:44:13.185 --> 00:44:16.275
I've just been dancing like
a Turkey on this ledge for 20

00:44:16.275 --> 00:44:17.475
minutes trying to work it out.

00:44:17.895 --> 00:44:20.805
And Jason's like, yeah,
there's no point dancing.

00:44:20.805 --> 00:44:21.675
You need to get up there.

00:44:24.075 --> 00:44:24.195
I

00:44:24.195 --> 00:44:24.615
forgot.

00:44:26.685 --> 00:44:32.265
So one of our goals or trave is, um, our
goal is on, we're gonna hit up to Marvel.

00:44:33.105 --> 00:44:33.405
Okay.

00:44:33.615 --> 00:44:35.505
And there's a 20 pitch climb.

00:44:35.505 --> 00:44:36.375
They're called the goat.

00:44:36.855 --> 00:44:37.155
Okay.

00:44:37.455 --> 00:44:39.525
So what's what we call each other.

00:44:39.615 --> 00:44:42.675
The goat by made the goat
goat greatest of all time.

00:44:43.095 --> 00:44:45.555
And we actually started our
first climbing trip up there.

00:44:45.645 --> 00:44:50.235
And we, I was building
resume to be a rock guide.

00:44:51.165 --> 00:44:54.735
And we, uh, we had a moment on
the rock where I'm pushing it.

00:44:54.975 --> 00:44:58.995
Dean's at his complete comfort zone
and we had a good heart to heart.

00:44:59.475 --> 00:45:01.575
And then it had the dial
up, back and everything.

00:45:01.965 --> 00:45:06.105
But I would love to go back
now on Wednesday, go up there.

00:45:06.645 --> 00:45:08.565
And it's only 20 pitches.

00:45:08.565 --> 00:45:12.435
The highest is five nine, but I would
love to be able to bring Dean back

00:45:12.435 --> 00:45:17.565
to that where we started and this,
this, this route wasn't in there.

00:45:17.745 --> 00:45:21.675
When we first went there, it's
a bolted 20 pitch Alpine climb.

00:45:21.675 --> 00:45:26.265
So that's why I've been really focusing
on the technique with him because I'd

00:45:26.265 --> 00:45:29.745
like to get him on the goat before

00:45:29.745 --> 00:45:30.375
he goes back.

00:45:30.435 --> 00:45:30.825
I'm ready.

00:45:30.825 --> 00:45:31.185
Yeah.

00:45:32.654 --> 00:45:38.095
This is so ma um, marble canyon
was when we had pulled in to,

00:45:38.095 --> 00:45:40.125
to set up component thing.

00:45:40.484 --> 00:45:43.964
And there was this young lady and
a partner from down in America

00:45:44.654 --> 00:45:47.654
and she she's talking away and
I said, oh, he's a climber.

00:45:47.685 --> 00:45:48.765
Like, this is my first time out.

00:45:48.765 --> 00:45:49.845
So, oh, Jason's a climber.

00:45:49.845 --> 00:45:50.774
She says, have you climbed?

00:45:50.774 --> 00:45:54.884
I said, I've done a lot of
bins in Squamish on the Bluffs.

00:45:54.884 --> 00:45:55.634
And I said, yeah.

00:45:55.634 --> 00:45:56.835
So I've done a little bit of climbing.

00:45:56.955 --> 00:45:57.915
She goes, you're a climber then.

00:45:58.754 --> 00:45:59.145
Right.

00:45:59.745 --> 00:46:02.384
I was like, yeah, I guess I am then.

00:46:02.535 --> 00:46:02.865
Yeah.

00:46:03.045 --> 00:46:06.085
But he's because you look at somebody
at a level and you think, well,

00:46:06.125 --> 00:46:09.464
nothing like that, but you're,
doesn't, it's not about the level.

00:46:09.734 --> 00:46:13.935
If you participate in that and that then
becomes your passion, that's what you are.

00:46:14.085 --> 00:46:16.335
Or like, that doesn't matter.

00:46:16.424 --> 00:46:18.855
It doesn't matter if I,
he Clem's better than me.

00:46:19.785 --> 00:46:23.565
It's about taking part and that, yeah,
I got up on the rock and I climbed,

00:46:24.555 --> 00:46:25.665
I mean, like you're a runner.

00:46:25.725 --> 00:46:25.995
Yeah.

00:46:26.265 --> 00:46:27.555
Other than that, the winner of the

00:46:27.615 --> 00:46:29.565
50 there, but not the today.

00:46:30.315 --> 00:46:31.275
Yeah, I've still got to come back.

00:46:31.615 --> 00:46:35.835
So there's um, so the Squamish
50 feet I've entered twice, but

00:46:35.835 --> 00:46:37.095
I've never done the second day.

00:46:37.515 --> 00:46:37.935
Okay.

00:46:38.085 --> 00:46:41.714
So I've woke up with aches and
my head's telling me I'm injured.

00:46:43.515 --> 00:46:46.634
I've got blisters on my feet and
everything else that I can't get

00:46:47.265 --> 00:46:52.214
from that bed to the start line
and start walking on the next day.

00:46:53.265 --> 00:46:55.335
Cause the header cause of feet and legs.

00:46:55.335 --> 00:46:55.904
And I

00:46:55.904 --> 00:46:56.745
think it's all of it.

00:46:56.775 --> 00:46:57.075
Yeah.

00:46:57.105 --> 00:47:00.525
But my head gets the better part of me.

00:47:01.754 --> 00:47:03.285
And then that's that right?

00:47:03.345 --> 00:47:03.674
Yeah.

00:47:03.674 --> 00:47:04.665
You could you're out your

00:47:04.665 --> 00:47:09.404
league meet, but to be fair to
him that one time he had Gortex

00:47:09.404 --> 00:47:11.205
runners, you had Gortex runners.

00:47:11.265 --> 00:47:12.345
Oh, it was hot.

00:47:12.395 --> 00:47:13.424
I remember it was the heat wave.

00:47:13.455 --> 00:47:18.915
I said August the first one and
then, uh, he'd come around and he,

00:47:18.975 --> 00:47:22.185
and Dennis and I are at the point
and he's like, it was awesome, mate.

00:47:22.515 --> 00:47:25.875
I sat in this Creek to cool
off and I'm like, oh no.

00:47:26.805 --> 00:47:28.075
So his Gore-Tex runner.

00:47:29.025 --> 00:47:29.595
Or soaked.

00:47:30.645 --> 00:47:34.305
So I think had we'd switch, get a
shoes, your feet, but that totally

00:47:34.305 --> 00:47:37.245
Hambergard his feet about halfway along.

00:47:37.245 --> 00:47:39.345
I think if we had switched
out runners and stuff and you

00:47:39.345 --> 00:47:41.625
weren't in the Gore-Tex shoes.

00:47:42.015 --> 00:47:45.105
So that definitely, yeah, that
was, yeah, but the Creek must've

00:47:45.105 --> 00:47:45.555
felt great.

00:47:45.585 --> 00:47:46.755
It was fantastic, mate.

00:47:47.295 --> 00:47:49.665
I like to burn in there's a part on

00:47:49.665 --> 00:47:50.415
IVIG next time.

00:47:50.415 --> 00:47:50.685
Do it.

00:47:50.685 --> 00:47:51.495
So your feeder.

00:47:52.215 --> 00:47:52.545
Yeah.

00:47:53.175 --> 00:47:56.295
Well, there's a part it's I can't
remember what it's called the escalator

00:47:56.295 --> 00:48:00.195
part and it goes up me, me and Jason
record it, but it goes up for like

00:48:00.465 --> 00:48:02.325
over a mile, maybe a little bit more.

00:48:02.835 --> 00:48:05.805
Um, and by the time you get up
into the clouds in the mountain,

00:48:05.805 --> 00:48:06.825
it's like, God, that's all.

00:48:07.125 --> 00:48:09.275
So my legs were like solid and pumping.

00:48:09.425 --> 00:48:09.645
Right.

00:48:09.945 --> 00:48:10.725
And I saw this Creek.

00:48:10.725 --> 00:48:13.515
I was like, I'm getting in
that definitely that's me.

00:48:14.145 --> 00:48:15.105
When Hoffie you go?

00:48:15.105 --> 00:48:15.915
So I'm sat in it.

00:48:15.915 --> 00:48:17.085
I'm like, oh, upstairs.

00:48:17.085 --> 00:48:17.835
That's fantastic.

00:48:17.835 --> 00:48:18.105
Right.

00:48:18.135 --> 00:48:19.065
I better get on running.

00:48:19.665 --> 00:48:20.475
So as you're running.

00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.750
My feet are burning on the
feet, but it's been in the war.

00:48:25.350 --> 00:48:29.160
It's like, because you just
rubbing and I'm coming down and

00:48:29.160 --> 00:48:30.509
they're all mountain bike tracks.

00:48:30.509 --> 00:48:33.089
It's not a road, a trail,
it's a mounted bike.

00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:34.740
So you're bouncing off rock.

00:48:35.040 --> 00:48:38.040
And of course, then I didn't
really know how to run properly.

00:48:38.069 --> 00:48:38.850
It's crazy people.

00:48:38.850 --> 00:48:40.290
You're like you run properly.

00:48:40.379 --> 00:48:40.770
Yeah.

00:48:40.770 --> 00:48:42.209
There's a way to run down Hills mate.

00:48:43.560 --> 00:48:48.120
You know, if you put your arms out and
balance and then let your legs go, you go.

00:48:49.020 --> 00:48:52.589
So what that helps is stops you pushing
as you're running down the hill.

00:48:52.890 --> 00:48:53.189
If you're.

00:48:53.985 --> 00:48:57.105
Doing that your knees doing
your knees doing this.

00:48:57.855 --> 00:48:58.485
Right.

00:48:58.634 --> 00:49:01.725
But if you kick your legs out
and go with the hell exactly.

00:49:01.725 --> 00:49:05.325
As if somebody was on a mountain bike
going down, if there's a burn goes

00:49:05.325 --> 00:49:10.245
that way, you go that way, but you keep
your hands out and use it as balance.

00:49:10.395 --> 00:49:13.634
So when people see all these big runners
coming down and they've got cuts all

00:49:13.634 --> 00:49:18.404
over they've tumbled because they've
let their self go rather than slowing

00:49:18.404 --> 00:49:22.995
down, which then puts that on the
joint, on the knees, go with the flow.

00:49:23.055 --> 00:49:25.035
So the first year I'm
like, oh, step, step.

00:49:25.095 --> 00:49:25.665
Oh, right.

00:49:25.725 --> 00:49:26.715
I was like my niece mate.

00:49:26.775 --> 00:49:28.545
I can't, yeah, this is so in.

00:49:29.085 --> 00:49:32.115
Whereas the second year, and I
took an hour off the second year.

00:49:32.835 --> 00:49:33.404
That's time.

00:49:34.215 --> 00:49:34.395
Yeah.

00:49:34.404 --> 00:49:37.215
So the first year was 14 hours for 30.

00:49:37.725 --> 00:49:40.695
And then the second was
13 hours 30 something.

00:49:41.145 --> 00:49:43.305
And I was like, I come in and
I was like looking at a clock

00:49:43.485 --> 00:49:44.715
and I said, I've took an hour.

00:49:45.870 --> 00:49:47.370
You would have thought
I won the whole thing.

00:49:47.500 --> 00:49:48.359
I started shopping.

00:49:48.990 --> 00:49:50.580
I'm looking at Jason and Chris slur.

00:49:50.759 --> 00:49:52.589
I've took an hour off, look at that time.

00:49:53.040 --> 00:49:55.350
And he's like, yeah, but
you got another day to go.

00:49:55.799 --> 00:49:56.339
Oh yeah.

00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:58.169
I'm going to just push that a little bit.

00:49:58.319 --> 00:49:58.589
Yeah.

00:49:58.620 --> 00:49:59.190
To OD.

00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:01.830
So the 50, I don't
know, Travis piggy dove.

00:50:01.830 --> 00:50:05.669
It's one of the robust races
because of the Hills and the trails.

00:50:05.700 --> 00:50:05.790
Okay.

00:50:05.819 --> 00:50:06.600
I haven't done it.

00:50:06.600 --> 00:50:10.350
I've been in the area and I've
seen people who've done it.

00:50:10.560 --> 00:50:11.160
That's.

00:50:11.430 --> 00:50:11.790
Yeah.

00:50:12.390 --> 00:50:14.129
So I, I did go through a phase.

00:50:14.129 --> 00:50:18.000
I, uh, about 2016 for me.

00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.529
It's it's we call it the hump season.

00:50:19.529 --> 00:50:21.270
So between the rock and the ski season.

00:50:21.270 --> 00:50:22.799
So October, November is my worst season.

00:50:23.129 --> 00:50:26.370
Put weight on maybe too
much beer or whatever.

00:50:27.525 --> 00:50:30.795
In September, I told Dina, I'm going
to run the 50 K with you the next day.

00:50:30.795 --> 00:50:31.634
That was my plan.

00:50:32.325 --> 00:50:33.015
I remember this.

00:50:33.015 --> 00:50:33.285
Yeah.

00:50:33.345 --> 00:50:34.634
So I started trail running.

00:50:35.025 --> 00:50:36.735
I was up to about 30 K.

00:50:36.855 --> 00:50:37.275
This is where

00:50:37.275 --> 00:50:38.415
you ran into the bear as well.

00:50:38.415 --> 00:50:38.855
I remember though,

00:50:38.855 --> 00:50:40.765
that was training training.

00:50:41.475 --> 00:50:46.515
I, I was running, maybe I went, you
know, over two, three months, I got

00:50:46.515 --> 00:50:48.555
myself up to about 30 K maximum.

00:50:49.005 --> 00:50:52.695
And then one day, one day my
hamstring spasms, knee pain.

00:50:53.595 --> 00:50:54.495
And that was me done.

00:50:55.185 --> 00:50:56.235
That's it not worth it.

00:50:56.475 --> 00:51:01.605
That was enrolled in, but I just think
I did maybe too much over that time.

00:51:01.605 --> 00:51:02.955
And that three months training for it.

00:51:03.105 --> 00:51:03.585
Loving you.

00:51:03.585 --> 00:51:03.975
You did.

00:51:04.095 --> 00:51:09.645
Yeah, but I, that was my goal was
to get him on the 50 K line the

00:51:09.645 --> 00:51:12.435
next day and run it with them,
but it just never worked out.

00:51:12.825 --> 00:51:17.175
And now I actually be honest on
having hand issue, maybe a volunteer,

00:51:17.235 --> 00:51:17.715
but yeah.

00:51:18.255 --> 00:51:18.884
Cause let's figure it out.

00:51:18.915 --> 00:51:19.575
We could do it next

00:51:19.575 --> 00:51:19.785
year.

00:51:19.875 --> 00:51:22.455
Yeah, no, I got to do my Alpine guide.

00:51:22.455 --> 00:51:22.795
Exactly.

00:51:22.795 --> 00:51:22.995
Okay.

00:51:23.025 --> 00:51:25.410
But, um, So

00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.040
I, I got two different questions here.

00:51:29.049 --> 00:51:30.450
One, one's an observation.

00:51:31.410 --> 00:51:36.810
I remember, uh, you, me, Dennis
were out in, um, what was it?

00:51:36.810 --> 00:51:37.740
Was it Mount beautiful?

00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.020
Do you remember that long time ago?

00:51:40.770 --> 00:51:44.310
And someone says, Travis got to try
these Danner boots out there the best.

00:51:44.310 --> 00:51:46.170
And that, that was a mistake.

00:51:46.500 --> 00:51:51.120
Never trust somebody when they say these
boots are the best, maybe for them, right?

00:51:51.150 --> 00:51:52.980
Maybe these socks are great for you.

00:51:53.430 --> 00:51:54.960
Everyone's built a little bit differently.

00:51:55.470 --> 00:51:59.520
Anyways, my boots are just full
of blood by the end of that one.

00:52:00.180 --> 00:52:05.250
But I remember you were
recently back off of doing.

00:52:06.404 --> 00:52:07.515
SAS selection.

00:52:07.755 --> 00:52:12.555
And I'm thinking, you know, I
can't complain like I did this

00:52:12.555 --> 00:52:15.285
guy is going to be just a machine
out there and I got to keep going.

00:52:15.285 --> 00:52:20.745
But one thing that really surprised
me was, uh, you kept a steady pace,

00:52:21.765 --> 00:52:27.045
not necessarily a breakneck fast
pace, but the pace was just constant.

00:52:27.045 --> 00:52:29.955
And any time Dennis, Dennis was
like, oh, I got a rock in the boot.

00:52:29.984 --> 00:52:33.944
Like Dennis, stop sort yourself
out, administer your boots, then

00:52:33.944 --> 00:52:35.384
get up and let's get going again.

00:52:35.805 --> 00:52:39.674
And it was a very different
mentality than what I'd ever kind of

00:52:39.795 --> 00:52:41.475
allowed myself to have in the past.

00:52:41.475 --> 00:52:44.145
I was always like, well, if you're,
if you're hurt, you just keep going.

00:52:44.205 --> 00:52:48.525
If, um, if you're wet, just keep
plugging through, just go faster.

00:52:48.525 --> 00:52:50.025
If you're cold, you'll warm up.

00:52:50.565 --> 00:52:56.805
Um, But the amount of distance set on
subsequent trips that we'd go out on

00:52:56.805 --> 00:53:01.395
that we're able to cover comfortably
in a short period of time, by just

00:53:01.395 --> 00:53:06.705
taking that approach of a reasonable
pace, sorting yourself out, fuel

00:53:06.705 --> 00:53:09.525
yourself up when you need it, take
care of the feet when you need it.

00:53:09.975 --> 00:53:14.535
Uh, so that, that was my,
um, sort of observation.

00:53:14.535 --> 00:53:17.835
And that was one of the big things I
learned from you and how to be able

00:53:17.835 --> 00:53:23.805
to, uh, push yourself further than you
figured you're able to go is by making

00:53:23.805 --> 00:53:27.225
sure that you take care of all of those
little things in a progressive way.

00:53:27.525 --> 00:53:30.435
So that's my observation, the
question I have though, and

00:53:30.435 --> 00:53:31.605
I'll pose it to both of you.

00:53:32.085 --> 00:53:35.255
So Dean ultra running, and you
get to that point and you're

00:53:35.255 --> 00:53:36.675
like, what the hell am I doing?

00:53:37.125 --> 00:53:37.875
My feet hurt.

00:53:37.905 --> 00:53:38.865
My legs hurt.

00:53:38.895 --> 00:53:39.735
It's cold.

00:53:39.735 --> 00:53:40.605
I'm tired.

00:53:42.645 --> 00:53:44.025
How do you push through that?

00:53:45.135 --> 00:53:47.865
When you've got about four
miles to go to the finish line?

00:53:48.765 --> 00:53:51.735
It's easier to keep going and
finish and get over that line

00:53:51.795 --> 00:53:54.975
than it is to turn around and
walk the miles you've just done.

00:53:55.455 --> 00:53:55.755
Okay.

00:53:56.175 --> 00:53:57.165
And it's that mindset?

00:53:57.615 --> 00:53:57.915
Yeah.

00:53:59.775 --> 00:54:00.225
Crack on.

00:54:00.575 --> 00:54:01.785
That's also the beginning too.

00:54:01.785 --> 00:54:03.705
I think the first few
miles is the artist too.

00:54:04.245 --> 00:54:05.145
Where's your body's going

00:54:05.145 --> 00:54:09.465
on by doing this until, until
you warm up until you get going

00:54:09.465 --> 00:54:10.665
in that engines and right.

00:54:10.725 --> 00:54:15.405
It's in that cycle and it's like, yeah,
you got this, the body's doing that.

00:54:15.585 --> 00:54:18.065
But then the head kicks in, right.

00:54:18.065 --> 00:54:20.565
It wants to do different
to what your body's doing.

00:54:20.775 --> 00:54:21.195
Right.

00:54:21.375 --> 00:54:27.795
So to push through that, I
think it's, it's, it's the same.

00:54:28.725 --> 00:54:32.265
I take it from the same sort of
mentality when I was in, in the forces.

00:54:33.075 --> 00:54:36.435
When you take a position, you
push through that position.

00:54:37.515 --> 00:54:39.795
So you take it, you've got your goal.

00:54:40.275 --> 00:54:42.045
Now you push on because
there's another goal.

00:54:43.755 --> 00:54:44.715
If we stopped short.

00:54:45.690 --> 00:54:49.830
You're in a killing area or beans,
or you've got to keep going.

00:54:52.109 --> 00:54:55.589
Even if my leg I've got
a crew, I've got a walk.

00:54:56.430 --> 00:55:00.569
And that was the thing free training is
you'd always have a wagon behind you.

00:55:00.569 --> 00:55:02.790
It's called the chuckwagon
or the ambulance.

00:55:02.940 --> 00:55:03.149
Yeah.

00:55:03.210 --> 00:55:06.089
So if you in, so you get a lot of people,
I can't do this, get on the wagon.

00:55:08.399 --> 00:55:10.950
So there's always something
behind you that would, you

00:55:10.950 --> 00:55:12.359
could go, oh, I can't do this.

00:55:12.390 --> 00:55:13.259
I can get on that wagon.

00:55:13.259 --> 00:55:13.740
It's warm.

00:55:13.890 --> 00:55:15.180
Get a coffee and they'll carry on.

00:55:15.180 --> 00:55:15.480
Go in.

00:55:16.120 --> 00:55:16.740
Don't have that.

00:55:16.740 --> 00:55:18.419
When you're running, right.

00:55:18.690 --> 00:55:19.470
You've got finish.

00:55:22.290 --> 00:55:23.580
Jason, how do you get through it?

00:55:26.040 --> 00:55:28.379
I remember I was talking
about it on the first podcast.

00:55:29.250 --> 00:55:30.450
Okay about that day.

00:55:30.450 --> 00:55:33.779
And, and it's interesting now, um,
like I said, it's a ski guide, like

00:55:33.779 --> 00:55:37.140
black home, everyone goes out the back
gate and the other go to east call

00:55:37.140 --> 00:55:42.509
or they go to guides notch, and it's
a rat race and they follow the same

00:55:43.049 --> 00:55:45.060
track and it's icy and everything else.

00:55:45.060 --> 00:55:46.620
I usually put my own up track in now.

00:55:47.310 --> 00:55:50.399
And the perfect guide
pace is 11 degrees trail.

00:55:50.549 --> 00:55:50.850
Yeah.

00:55:51.120 --> 00:55:55.830
That's the most efficient output
that you can climb out to be

00:55:55.830 --> 00:55:57.029
efficiency without burning out.

00:55:57.390 --> 00:56:00.330
The other track that goes straight
up called the Revy tracks, Revelstoke

00:56:00.330 --> 00:56:01.950
tracks way that they go straight up.

00:56:02.609 --> 00:56:08.129
I really love putting in this 11 degree
truck and it's longer, but you cover

00:56:08.129 --> 00:56:11.220
more kilometers over all through the
day, but then you start passing everybody

00:56:12.060 --> 00:56:14.970
and you're not tired and you see them
cause they just do these op rests.

00:56:15.060 --> 00:56:15.750
They go straight up.

00:56:15.750 --> 00:56:17.460
Then they arrest and the rest.

00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:17.730
Right.

00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:24.450
So, um, what draws me
to this trout for me is.

00:56:27.015 --> 00:56:28.485
I am drawn to adversity.

00:56:28.785 --> 00:56:29.055
Mm.

00:56:30.165 --> 00:56:42.195
I remember being said, um, I'll use
bracket senior Brechin and I think I

00:56:42.195 --> 00:56:49.935
talked about it where we're leading, we're
heading out for an exercise and my Bergen

00:56:49.965 --> 00:56:54.495
weighs so much that I have to sit on the
parade square and roll over onto my knees

00:56:54.495 --> 00:56:56.205
to stand up, get to get on the truck.

00:56:56.595 --> 00:57:00.345
We're going to do a 16
kilometer, uh, surgeon dabber

00:57:00.435 --> 00:57:02.625
dot goal announced the battle.

00:57:03.225 --> 00:57:06.645
And, um, I remember that thinking
that not a lot of people that are

00:57:06.645 --> 00:57:08.115
doing this, I forget reasoning.

00:57:08.445 --> 00:57:08.865
Sure.

00:57:09.465 --> 00:57:09.765
Right.

00:57:10.095 --> 00:57:15.465
But I was drawn to doing stuff that
most people don't want to do or can't

00:57:15.465 --> 00:57:22.425
do Y for me, um, it's coming back to
that diversity, like it really comes

00:57:22.425 --> 00:57:26.715
down to, um, Challenging myself.

00:57:26.865 --> 00:57:34.125
So, uh, the self efficiency, finding
ways, like, for example, teaching

00:57:34.275 --> 00:57:38.115
Dean now, like when Dean came 2014, I
wasn't that good of a climber either.

00:57:38.115 --> 00:57:41.775
I couldn't really coach him because
I was in that good of a climber.

00:57:41.775 --> 00:57:47.445
But now I can do, to say it's more
efficient and less effort to do this.

00:57:47.445 --> 00:57:50.625
The Twistlock for example, versus
doing a pull-up the whole way up.

00:57:51.285 --> 00:57:58.785
So it's that self-sufficiency finding what
is the most efficient way to do, um, and

00:57:58.785 --> 00:58:02.505
carried out, um, you know, like the grit.

00:58:03.225 --> 00:58:07.245
So it's interesting when you
think about what drives people.

00:58:07.965 --> 00:58:12.915
So we should do a podcast one day about
my accident, Spain, where I fell, broke

00:58:12.915 --> 00:58:15.675
my back, my foot, my wrist, and my ribs.

00:58:15.705 --> 00:58:16.485
We can talk about it right

00:58:16.485 --> 00:58:16.785
now.

00:58:16.875 --> 00:58:20.205
Well, I think it's a podcast in
its own, but long story short, I.

00:58:22.125 --> 00:58:24.975
What's going to repel to the
ground, but add my friend, Lord me.

00:58:24.975 --> 00:58:27.945
Cause I remember how much, when
you do that tandem rescue repelled

00:58:27.945 --> 00:58:30.345
together, how much movement I had
and it was better for my back.

00:58:30.585 --> 00:58:30.825
Right.

00:58:30.825 --> 00:58:31.905
He lowered me right away.

00:58:32.355 --> 00:58:35.595
I had to down climb and
scramble out and walk two, three

00:58:35.595 --> 00:58:36.735
kilometers while he got the car.

00:58:37.785 --> 00:58:45.405
Um, when I was Squamish SAR, search
and rescue, I remember having to carry

00:58:46.425 --> 00:58:52.095
a patient off with a broken toe and we
carried her down all the way from peak

00:58:52.095 --> 00:58:55.305
three or two Lord and carried her down.

00:58:55.515 --> 00:58:57.225
So everyone has different levels, right.

00:58:57.585 --> 00:59:02.925
People just, um, throw it in
others rise to that occasion.

00:59:02.925 --> 00:59:03.195
Right.

00:59:03.225 --> 00:59:05.955
So for me, it's that challenge
in the university that

00:59:05.955 --> 00:59:08.175
drives me to that next level.

00:59:09.315 --> 00:59:11.415
And then I think like Dean's
alluded to a lot of it.

00:59:11.775 --> 00:59:15.255
Um, yeah, that personal growth, right?

00:59:15.285 --> 00:59:16.245
There's that growth of.

00:59:19.140 --> 00:59:24.840
In yourself like that trust, but also,
um, what your limits are knowing when's

00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:29.490
enough enough or do I have more in myself
or maybe if I was more efficient, I could

00:59:29.610 --> 00:59:32.280
push myself to that next level right.

00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:36.030
In that versus hitting
it like a bull full on.

00:59:36.030 --> 00:59:36.300
Right.

00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.590
So, um, yeah, for me, it's that

00:59:40.890 --> 00:59:44.580
knowing your limits, you know,
when I was a teenager, all these,

00:59:44.640 --> 00:59:47.070
no fear t-shirts were really big.

00:59:47.070 --> 00:59:47.790
You remember those?

00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:50.580
And I always thought I
want to make a t-shirt.

00:59:50.580 --> 00:59:51.780
I bet you it'd be a hot seller.

00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:54.480
It says, know your limits,
but N oh, your limits.

00:59:54.660 --> 00:59:54.960
Yeah.

00:59:55.290 --> 00:59:56.580
I've never seen anyone do that.

00:59:56.580 --> 01:00:01.080
Maybe by now someone has, but maybe we
have something you your limits, right.

01:00:01.080 --> 01:00:02.070
Say no to your limits.

01:00:02.340 --> 01:00:02.670
Yeah.

01:00:02.850 --> 01:00:03.360
Um,

01:00:03.660 --> 01:00:05.190
but there's ways you can affect that too.

01:00:05.190 --> 01:00:07.170
Like training fitness, like.

01:00:08.145 --> 01:00:08.895
I know.

01:00:09.075 --> 01:00:16.035
Um, so I'm coming off ski season and I
didn't I'm I'm, I'm very objective based.

01:00:16.035 --> 01:00:20.775
So ski guide was my, my ski
guide exam in March was priority.

01:00:21.045 --> 01:00:22.935
I knew I have rock and open coming up.

01:00:23.355 --> 01:00:24.765
I didn't really tick over in the gym.

01:00:24.884 --> 01:00:27.615
I'm just like ski, ski, ski, ski now.

01:00:28.620 --> 01:00:30.330
Rock season started say a month ago.

01:00:30.330 --> 01:00:33.810
And Steph and I went out climbing
and I was like, oh my goodness.

01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.360
I need to get back in the gym.

01:00:37.020 --> 01:00:39.690
And just within a month climbing
what routes that were shutting

01:00:39.690 --> 01:00:42.120
me down, uh, with Steph Dean.

01:00:42.120 --> 01:00:45.120
And I just on-site to them, I
guess it'd be a red point cause

01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:46.380
I've climbed to find them before.

01:00:46.410 --> 01:00:46.740
Sure.

01:00:46.799 --> 01:00:48.390
But I was just like climb.

01:00:48.390 --> 01:00:51.540
One of them backed down and went
straight on the other one where

01:00:51.540 --> 01:00:52.890
I had to work them with Steph.

01:00:52.950 --> 01:00:55.890
So that's only a month of
just doing the baseline.

01:00:56.580 --> 01:01:00.870
You flushed them, the distinct training
in the gym, not climbing base, just

01:01:00.870 --> 01:01:05.370
strength, like squats, dead lifts,
bench, brows, bent over row pull-ups and

01:01:05.370 --> 01:01:08.340
what that month of training does mean.

01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:14.100
Um, and I find, you know, with the
podcasts, you get all different

01:01:14.100 --> 01:01:18.720
people, emailing and contacting and
DM-ing and all whole different bags.

01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.860
And one thing that seems to be
coming up over and over again is

01:01:22.860 --> 01:01:25.050
this whole mental health thing.

01:01:25.200 --> 01:01:28.560
And I'm learning a whole bunch about
mental health in the process, and

01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.070
everyone's gotten mental health
problems to some degree or another.

01:01:32.070 --> 01:01:35.460
When you're talking about the woman
who's got the stubbed toe or the broken

01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:41.220
toe and carried her down, you know,
maybe that was incapacitating for her.

01:01:41.430 --> 01:01:41.880
Who are we?

01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:42.390
The judge?

01:01:42.390 --> 01:01:42.570
Right.

01:01:42.570 --> 01:01:44.100
Everyone's got different,
different levels.

01:01:44.100 --> 01:01:47.370
And you know, oftentimes people
get competitive in the, uh,

01:01:47.460 --> 01:01:48.770
well, you've got mental health.

01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:52.080
What, w what'd you go through, what
are your, ah, I've been through

01:01:52.080 --> 01:01:54.390
worse, then they've done studies.

01:01:54.390 --> 01:01:58.950
They've done studies that show how like
mothers have lost their children and the

01:01:58.950 --> 01:02:00.690
brainwaves and what the brain looks like.

01:02:00.690 --> 01:02:06.150
And the other trauma affects them and
people who don't have that experience,

01:02:06.150 --> 01:02:10.710
but they have the exact same trauma
or brain waves in their head as if

01:02:10.710 --> 01:02:11.850
somebody had something that was.

01:02:13.004 --> 01:02:18.225
Arguably more, um, impactful or
traumatic by, by most people looking

01:02:18.225 --> 01:02:23.805
out, um, everybody's going to have
a different perspective on things

01:02:23.984 --> 01:02:25.305
on the, on the mental health side.

01:02:25.305 --> 01:02:28.154
Everyone's got a different levels.

01:02:28.154 --> 01:02:31.305
I know in past podcasts, we
talked about the guy who got

01:02:31.305 --> 01:02:32.924
PTSD from eating a chocolate bar.

01:02:32.955 --> 01:02:33.404
Have you eaten?

01:02:33.464 --> 01:02:34.125
Have you heard this one?

01:02:35.115 --> 01:02:40.245
So this guy goes in and a convenience
store buys a chocolate bar eats.

01:02:40.245 --> 01:02:42.975
Half of it looks down like
a scarf in this thing.

01:02:42.975 --> 01:02:44.234
And it's got maggots in this thing.

01:02:44.234 --> 01:02:45.194
It's disgusting, right?

01:02:45.615 --> 01:02:46.455
Tells the clerk.

01:02:46.484 --> 01:02:48.375
Clerk says, sorry, sorry, sorry.

01:02:48.375 --> 01:02:49.185
Here's a refund.

01:02:49.185 --> 01:02:50.835
You can have a free bar
if you want right on.

01:02:50.835 --> 01:02:54.975
He goes, but then the guy goes
home and he starts thinking about

01:02:55.305 --> 01:02:56.654
eating chocolate bars with maggots.

01:02:56.665 --> 01:03:00.015
And he asked her to have a nightmares that
would eat and maggots in his, in his food.

01:03:00.015 --> 01:03:02.205
And then he can't go to church
anymore because he figures they're all

01:03:02.205 --> 01:03:04.754
going to laugh at him for eating the
chocolate bar with and maggots and.

01:03:07.110 --> 01:03:11.940
Exhibiting avoidance tendencies and
recurring thoughts and all of these

01:03:11.940 --> 01:03:15.690
things that are typically associated
with, with PTSD, from, from eating

01:03:15.690 --> 01:03:19.319
a chocolate bar, Meg, it's something
that I don't know, all three of us

01:03:19.319 --> 01:03:22.290
would probably have done at some point
and thought nothing else of right.

01:03:22.950 --> 01:03:23.370
Trauma

01:03:23.370 --> 01:03:23.790
to hit me.

01:03:23.790 --> 01:03:24.000
Isn't

01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:24.060
it?

01:03:24.060 --> 01:03:25.020
Yeah, that's right.

01:03:25.350 --> 01:03:28.680
And that's the interesting
thing I find I am.

01:03:28.680 --> 01:03:30.779
It's going to circle back to
like, how do you push through?

01:03:30.779 --> 01:03:37.589
But, um, that's the interesting thing
of that I find when we talk about mental

01:03:37.589 --> 01:03:45.089
health, is it really doesn't matter at
what place you are in Fortune's wheel and

01:03:45.089 --> 01:03:47.250
what rung you are on the latter of it.

01:03:48.270 --> 01:03:51.660
It's it seems to be the
acceptance of those around you,

01:03:51.660 --> 01:03:53.040
that support network, right?

01:03:53.040 --> 01:03:56.819
If it's viewed as a socially
unacceptable thing, then, uh, perhaps

01:03:56.819 --> 01:04:03.885
your own perception of it is going
to be worse and, uh, An absolutely

01:04:03.885 --> 01:04:07.155
natural event that happens everybody.

01:04:07.335 --> 01:04:07.815
Yet.

01:04:07.815 --> 01:04:11.985
People stigmatize it as if it's,
it's like, if you got cut and

01:04:11.985 --> 01:04:15.735
you're bleeding, people would
say, put a bandaid on that thing.

01:04:15.735 --> 01:04:18.255
Or, jeez, that looks deep as
stitch it up in a couple of weeks.

01:04:18.255 --> 01:04:18.955
You'll be good to go.

01:04:18.955 --> 01:04:19.965
We'll take those stitches out.

01:04:19.995 --> 01:04:22.395
There's a process in place
when it comes to mental health.

01:04:23.145 --> 01:04:29.625
Um, I, I still think we're far ways
away from people having that level

01:04:29.625 --> 01:04:34.035
of understanding as to, uh, to how
to deal with it or just accepting it.

01:04:34.065 --> 01:04:34.185
Okay.

01:04:34.485 --> 01:04:39.135
I think we've, that is in
the old days it was a taboo.

01:04:40.035 --> 01:04:40.395
Sure.

01:04:41.865 --> 01:04:42.105
Yeah.

01:04:42.135 --> 01:04:45.285
So, so mental health was
like, you're a nut job.

01:04:46.965 --> 01:04:48.675
Men don't have mental health problems.

01:04:48.735 --> 01:04:49.335
You're strong.

01:04:49.335 --> 01:04:50.595
You're the alpha you're Garver.

01:04:50.595 --> 01:04:54.405
You go to work, you come home
and then you do the home stuff.

01:04:54.975 --> 01:05:00.000
So I think for a very long
time, There was that taboo about

01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.440
talking about your feelings?

01:05:02.340 --> 01:05:06.060
A lot of the programs on TV, social
media wasn't around that, but a lot

01:05:06.060 --> 01:05:11.100
of the programs on TV, like the Ateam
Airwolf there's these male figures

01:05:11.100 --> 01:05:12.930
that are saving people's lives.

01:05:13.620 --> 01:05:16.350
So as a child, you're sitting
there, you're watching that.

01:05:16.350 --> 01:05:20.880
And it's like, that's what a
man is, you know, he gets shot,

01:05:20.910 --> 01:05:22.950
but he's not crying falls over.

01:05:22.950 --> 01:05:28.140
He's not crying, you know, that helping
people know he's strong, like the Hulk.

01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:28.530
Yeah.

01:05:28.560 --> 01:05:32.940
So we had a lot of these images and,
you know, programs that we used to

01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:34.470
watch where we didn't have that.

01:05:35.130 --> 01:05:40.890
And, um, whereas now we sit here
and we can talk about mental health.

01:05:41.670 --> 01:05:45.600
There's other podcasts there's
people talk about, but I agree with

01:05:45.600 --> 01:05:50.760
you that isn't there still isn't
enough because it comes down to like

01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:52.140
people getting help comes down to.

01:05:54.285 --> 01:05:57.435
Where's the money for the mental health,
because they'll go while we've got

01:05:57.435 --> 01:06:02.865
these other things we need to deal with
first, but you, you can't, mental health

01:06:02.875 --> 01:06:05.355
should be one of the priorities, right?

01:06:06.705 --> 01:06:07.035
Because

01:06:07.035 --> 01:06:09.285
if, if we you'll never solve it.

01:06:09.315 --> 01:06:14.565
So, but for me that I'm not talking about
everybody and for Chris, you know, I've

01:06:14.565 --> 01:06:16.335
helped Chris, our friend for a long time.

01:06:16.875 --> 01:06:18.225
It's about managing it.

01:06:18.285 --> 01:06:22.605
When, you know, you have this PTSD
or anxiety or depression, and if

01:06:22.605 --> 01:06:27.015
it gets like it's about managing
that, you'd always have it.

01:06:27.825 --> 01:06:28.515
It doesn't go away.

01:06:28.935 --> 01:06:29.445
It's there.

01:06:29.775 --> 01:06:34.545
We just now need to learn how to manage
it, whether it's ultra running or

01:06:34.545 --> 01:06:38.415
it's being in the mountains, climbing
for Jason and doing his guidance,

01:06:38.565 --> 01:06:44.625
you know, so the taboo in the old
days is what we need to wash out.

01:06:45.675 --> 01:06:50.295
And the mental health is it's not somebody
in a white jacket is getting taken away.

01:06:50.985 --> 01:06:51.435
It's this.

01:06:52.425 --> 01:06:55.665
I've had a bad day yesterday,
but we'll talk about it.

01:06:56.565 --> 01:06:57.795
And I had a moment.

01:06:57.825 --> 01:06:59.415
We are going to be open.

01:06:59.415 --> 01:06:59.565
Yeah.

01:06:59.595 --> 01:07:02.655
I had a moment with Jason than it scar.

01:07:02.835 --> 01:07:04.095
We were climbing.

01:07:04.335 --> 01:07:06.795
Um, I think it was a 5, 5, 8, 5, 9.

01:07:10.395 --> 01:07:11.805
Was it mother superior?

01:07:12.195 --> 01:07:16.815
I think it might've been, and
I got on it and I got to this

01:07:16.815 --> 01:07:20.355
point and the head slipped in.

01:07:21.435 --> 01:07:22.455
You can't do this, what you're doing.

01:07:24.345 --> 01:07:25.005
And I'm looking at it.

01:07:25.005 --> 01:07:26.535
If I can't see the hold, can't see it.

01:07:26.565 --> 01:07:27.495
What, what am I doing?

01:07:27.885 --> 01:07:28.785
Come all the way out to Canada.

01:07:28.795 --> 01:07:29.835
I'm making a fool of myself.

01:07:30.135 --> 01:07:31.005
What, what am I doing?

01:07:33.345 --> 01:07:37.425
You said something, didn't you and I,
and I think I, I found it and I got up

01:07:37.725 --> 01:07:42.765
and then I come down, but I come down
and he just looked at me and I just

01:07:42.765 --> 01:07:44.505
sat there and I was just staring out.

01:07:45.735 --> 01:07:46.755
He says, you are.

01:07:48.529 --> 01:07:50.000
Just like, I just started crying.

01:07:50.509 --> 01:07:51.200
I don't know why.

01:07:52.069 --> 01:07:57.169
I just, I just had this moment where
it was like, I wasn't happy with what

01:07:57.169 --> 01:08:00.770
I did up there or something, or my head
turned around and said to me, get down

01:08:00.770 --> 01:08:02.270
this isn't, you shouldn't be doing this.

01:08:03.620 --> 01:08:07.669
You know, this is a five, nine or five
or what, you know, the hold is an air.

01:08:07.669 --> 01:08:08.359
You can't see it.

01:08:08.390 --> 01:08:09.529
Just, just get down.

01:08:09.890 --> 01:08:12.169
You're trying to live somebody
else's life or something.

01:08:12.839 --> 01:08:13.669
I just sat there.

01:08:13.730 --> 01:08:16.160
And, uh, and he's just like,
he says, no, take your time.

01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:17.240
Sure.

01:08:17.330 --> 01:08:20.510
He says, sorry, I'll just talk the
rope out and everything take your time.

01:08:21.019 --> 01:08:21.290
You know?

01:08:21.590 --> 01:08:25.729
And I just, I just sat there and I'm
like, I don't know why I'm crying.

01:08:25.729 --> 01:08:26.809
I've got nothing to cry about.

01:08:27.830 --> 01:08:30.019
I'm not full balling, but I've
got tears running down my eyes.

01:08:30.019 --> 01:08:33.679
And I'm like, what, why I
got overcome with the moment?

01:08:36.500 --> 01:08:37.219
Interesting.

01:08:38.090 --> 01:08:39.559
I've got nothing to cry about.

01:08:40.460 --> 01:08:43.460
It's um, if someone's feeling that way.

01:08:44.670 --> 01:08:48.150
They have something when they cry for a
reason, there's, there's a reason for it.

01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:48.540
Right.

01:08:48.540 --> 01:08:55.080
And it's, um, it kind of reminds me
years ago, argument with my wife, we're

01:08:55.110 --> 01:08:56.340
talking, I don't even know what it was.

01:08:56.340 --> 01:08:56.640
Right.

01:08:56.670 --> 01:09:00.390
And, uh, like how Kate
you see you're wrong.

01:09:00.420 --> 01:09:00.690
Right.

01:09:00.750 --> 01:09:04.830
Like even like in my head, like I could
fix this and like the typical meal here's

01:09:04.830 --> 01:09:06.210
this and here's why, and blah, blah, blah.

01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:09.570
And she's like, you
know what you're right.

01:09:10.080 --> 01:09:11.280
But it doesn't change.

01:09:11.340 --> 01:09:12.990
It doesn't change the way I feel.

01:09:13.020 --> 01:09:13.350
Right.

01:09:13.350 --> 01:09:13.530
Yeah.

01:09:13.740 --> 01:09:14.430
It's like, huh.

01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:18.060
And it was the first time I ever
looked at it and I thought, well, yeah.

01:09:18.120 --> 01:09:18.540
Okay.

01:09:18.540 --> 01:09:21.630
Well, I guess then we address
why you feel that way.

01:09:21.630 --> 01:09:24.660
And maybe there's, there's
more to look at it.

01:09:25.170 --> 01:09:32.054
And when it comes to the stigma associated
with mental health, You know, I, I see

01:09:32.054 --> 01:09:35.654
both sides, the one side, the 18, the
Hulk, you gotta be strong and you got to

01:09:35.654 --> 01:09:37.694
push through and he never have a problem.

01:09:37.694 --> 01:09:43.125
And the other side, um, is,
uh, delving too far into it.

01:09:43.154 --> 01:09:47.955
And then identifying with that and
say, well, I'm, I'm Bob with PTSD.

01:09:47.955 --> 01:09:50.024
I'm I'm Joe with whatever it might be.

01:09:50.024 --> 01:09:53.955
And that becomes your label and your
crutch that you always fall back on.

01:09:53.955 --> 01:09:58.875
And I think the more that you, cause he'd
never say I'm Bob with the foot injury.

01:09:59.565 --> 01:10:02.655
I hate, uh, you'd say,
yeah, I had a foot injury.

01:10:02.655 --> 01:10:05.535
If it comes up from time to time,
I could still feel it, but here's

01:10:05.535 --> 01:10:06.795
so here's what I do to manage it.

01:10:07.094 --> 01:10:10.875
Um, and you don't identify as that.

01:10:10.875 --> 01:10:14.894
And I, and I think that's a, I
think that's a key part for people

01:10:14.894 --> 01:10:17.295
and being able to deal with it is
surround themselves with others who

01:10:17.295 --> 01:10:19.844
can accept just like Jason earlier.

01:10:19.875 --> 01:10:20.385
I get it.

01:10:20.535 --> 01:10:24.045
Whatever let's work through will,
whatever the reason might be.

01:10:24.764 --> 01:10:27.135
And, uh, let's plug on.

01:10:27.434 --> 01:10:28.455
We still got a job to do.

01:10:28.575 --> 01:10:29.565
We still got things to do.

01:10:29.865 --> 01:10:29.925
Yeah.

01:10:30.690 --> 01:10:35.910
The mindset is not succumbing to
feel illness and thinking like,

01:10:35.910 --> 01:10:37.200
this is all too overwhelming.

01:10:37.200 --> 01:10:39.990
It's like, okay, this is, this
is a natural part of the process.

01:10:40.950 --> 01:10:41.880
Oh, go up the next one.

01:10:42.570 --> 01:10:43.140
Well, and that's what

01:10:43.140 --> 01:10:43.740
I talk about.

01:10:43.740 --> 01:10:48.540
Like if I'm, if my mental health is
suffering and I realize I don't have

01:10:48.540 --> 01:10:53.490
the capacity for it, I just bring
the grades back or I top rope, or I

01:10:53.490 --> 01:10:55.890
have Steph rope gun and I'm second.

01:10:56.610 --> 01:11:02.940
And cause that is for me working through
it because knowing that my resilience,

01:11:03.120 --> 01:11:04.740
so we call it your window of tolerance.

01:11:04.770 --> 01:11:05.040
Okay.

01:11:05.190 --> 01:11:06.810
Your window of tolerance has narrowed.

01:11:07.170 --> 01:11:07.530
Right?

01:11:07.950 --> 01:11:14.250
So things for me like hunger,
lack of sleep, um, anger, whatever

01:11:14.250 --> 01:11:17.760
they can just contributing
factors for a window of tolerance.

01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:23.650
Say for example, um, Like commuting,
Squamish, Vancouver, and all of a

01:11:23.650 --> 01:11:26.140
sudden you're getting road rage,
for example, because your window

01:11:26.140 --> 01:11:27.670
of tolerance is so limited, right.

01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:28.720
Things that affect it.

01:11:29.050 --> 01:11:33.550
So for me, um, knowing that
my window of tolerance is

01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:35.260
limited, I still want to go out.

01:11:35.320 --> 01:11:36.430
I still want to climb.

01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:38.170
I just dial it back.

01:11:38.200 --> 01:11:43.600
So that's humbling for me because I
would still push that in the past.

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.730
But now I just dial it back and go.

01:11:45.730 --> 01:11:46.630
I'm just in the present.

01:11:46.630 --> 01:11:48.760
I'm in the moment and
it's good to be here.

01:11:49.780 --> 01:11:50.110
Yeah.

01:11:50.200 --> 01:11:54.070
Because the altered alternative
to that is you just don't go out.

01:11:54.310 --> 01:11:54.910
Yes.

01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:58.510
And then that perpetuates itself
and it's a compounding issue.

01:12:01.060 --> 01:12:06.040
There is a, um, uh, there's a
fellow, he's a past podcast.

01:12:06.040 --> 01:12:10.270
Guests didn't know I was talking
to him on Christmas day and he

01:12:10.270 --> 01:12:12.880
says, we're texting back and forth.

01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:15.220
And he said, well, how are you doing?

01:12:15.220 --> 01:12:16.300
And he's like, oh, not too good.

01:12:16.990 --> 01:12:17.770
What's going on?

01:12:17.980 --> 01:12:18.840
He says, one of.

01:12:19.995 --> 01:12:23.835
One of the people that follows
him on social media, uh, decided

01:12:23.835 --> 01:12:25.815
to, uh, try and take his own life.

01:12:25.815 --> 01:12:28.935
They're going to see how he's
doing and how he's making out.

01:12:28.935 --> 01:12:32.415
And I shot himself, shot
himself in the, in the head.

01:12:32.505 --> 01:12:38.505
And, uh, I guess under the chin and, uh,
uh, this fellow end up surviving, um,

01:12:39.465 --> 01:12:46.095
Canadian forces sniper, I believe it was,
uh, this fellow now, uh, the fellow who

01:12:46.095 --> 01:12:48.645
shot himself, he's very open about it.

01:12:48.645 --> 01:12:49.695
And he was on social media.

01:12:49.695 --> 01:12:53.715
He says, you know, in the back of my
head, I just, right before I pulled

01:12:53.715 --> 01:12:57.795
the trigger, I heard this voice.

01:12:57.795 --> 01:12:59.235
This has changed the angle.

01:12:59.625 --> 01:13:02.745
And he did, he did slightly change
the angle and he looks like he's lost

01:13:02.745 --> 01:13:05.205
his eye and has a hard time talking.

01:13:05.205 --> 01:13:07.815
Now he's surviving says, you know,
the second he pulled the tree.

01:13:08.910 --> 01:13:10.260
Immediately regretted it.

01:13:10.410 --> 01:13:13.510
And he's trying to self-rescue
and he's calling up nine 11.

01:13:13.530 --> 01:13:16.980
He spitting out teeth and trying
to coordinate on his location.

01:13:16.980 --> 01:13:23.100
And, uh, he says the best thing
that I could tell anybody is,

01:13:23.490 --> 01:13:28.230
you know, just stop reassess.

01:13:28.740 --> 01:13:30.390
You will regret it.

01:13:31.200 --> 01:13:34.860
Um, now looking at how
that impacts other people.

01:13:34.860 --> 01:13:39.420
I think Jordan, Peter says, sin
says never underestimate the whole.

01:13:39.450 --> 01:13:42.210
Your absence will leave
in other people's lives.

01:13:43.080 --> 01:13:49.950
Um, the individual who I was a
past podcast guest with, uh, does

01:13:50.010 --> 01:13:51.750
a weekly mental health walks.

01:13:52.350 --> 01:13:53.760
We just get out into the woods.

01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:55.110
They get out into a park.

01:13:55.440 --> 01:13:57.360
It's not a race, the guys Uber fit.

01:13:57.750 --> 01:13:59.730
Uh, but it's just everyone.

01:13:59.730 --> 01:14:00.210
Come on up.

01:14:00.300 --> 01:14:02.730
We'll have a little bit of
a, a chat ahead of time.

01:14:02.730 --> 01:14:03.720
We'd go for a walk.

01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:05.850
And there's a, uh, there is.

01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:07.920
It's interesting.

01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:11.400
Looking at how people being able
to share their stories, just like

01:14:11.400 --> 01:14:16.020
this, uh, reaches others and can
affect a positive change that has

01:14:16.020 --> 01:14:19.140
ripples that go go well beyond them.

01:14:19.830 --> 01:14:20.640
So I

01:14:21.630 --> 01:14:22.260
belonging.

01:14:24.500 --> 01:14:27.150
If you look at it, all, it
all comes down to belonging.

01:14:27.450 --> 01:14:31.350
I agree into a point it's like, you
know, this opportunity is here because

01:14:31.440 --> 01:14:35.970
you know, we're friends and, but
we like to be being in that circle.

01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:40.440
You know, if I didn't want, like
we didn't get oh, and I would be

01:14:40.440 --> 01:14:41.760
like, Hey, chase, you go do that.

01:14:41.790 --> 01:14:45.030
He's like, but this guy does
stuff that I like following him.

01:14:45.060 --> 01:14:46.380
And, you know, it's that sort of stuff.

01:14:46.770 --> 01:14:48.840
And it's the same with your man's there.

01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.120
Say, Mike, let's go for a run or a walk.

01:14:51.150 --> 01:14:51.930
It's just a walk.

01:14:52.190 --> 01:14:52.920
We'll talk.

01:14:53.670 --> 01:14:57.780
But it w it sat now, oh,
belonging to something.

01:14:57.870 --> 01:14:59.520
That's a walking group with people.

01:15:00.315 --> 01:15:04.355
That share the similar sort of issues
may be, or somebody where somebody

01:15:04.365 --> 01:15:06.885
lives, but they now belong to something.

01:15:07.485 --> 01:15:11.625
Jason belongs to a community and a very
small one by the time he's finished and

01:15:11.625 --> 01:15:13.545
he's got every qualifications go in.

01:15:13.965 --> 01:15:17.565
It's like a real small one,
but he belongs to a community.

01:15:18.165 --> 01:15:19.035
I belong.

01:15:19.185 --> 01:15:19.325
Yeah.

01:15:19.325 --> 01:15:22.455
I dabble in a couple of communities,
but I belong to a community.

01:15:22.485 --> 01:15:29.775
I have, I have, for me, I have
a reason to keep going forward.

01:15:29.835 --> 01:15:35.715
Not just my son, you know, uh, um, while
both my boys, um, it's for me, you got

01:15:35.715 --> 01:15:37.575
to have something for yourself as well.

01:15:38.235 --> 01:15:40.335
You know, when you've got
children, they're your priorities.

01:15:40.335 --> 01:15:45.975
But when it's you as an individual,
if you're not running or working

01:15:46.065 --> 01:15:49.355
at, at that maximum or at that
level where it's good for you.

01:15:50.670 --> 01:15:52.410
That affects behind you.

01:15:53.670 --> 01:15:56.880
So if it means I have to go out for
a walk with this guy in this group,

01:15:56.940 --> 01:16:00.330
I now belong to this group and I feel
a bit better about myself because

01:16:00.330 --> 01:16:01.890
I'm having conversations and chats.

01:16:02.070 --> 01:16:07.350
Like we are now like our walk area
and I'll walk on tippy toes to speak.

01:16:07.890 --> 01:16:08.280
Sure.

01:16:08.310 --> 01:16:11.310
Because it felt good to sit
here and have that conversation.

01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:15.600
We've like, it's guys, you know,
we wouldn't do this normally in the

01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:17.710
old days and or publicly like, yeah.

01:16:17.710 --> 01:16:18.020
Yeah.

01:16:18.330 --> 01:16:21.660
And, and that's that it's
belonging to community.

01:16:21.660 --> 01:16:26.280
So when people start, you know, getting in
contact with you on, on social media, Hey,

01:16:26.310 --> 01:16:27.690
you know, this podcast, blah, blah, blah.

01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:28.530
It was brilliant.

01:16:28.530 --> 01:16:29.280
I like this guy.

01:16:29.310 --> 01:16:33.870
Cause he touched on that, but they belong
to your podcast and your community.

01:16:34.350 --> 01:16:36.270
We all belong to something.

01:16:37.020 --> 01:16:40.440
And it's that we've mental health.

01:16:40.440 --> 01:16:45.750
If I, if we can people belong
here, I don't want people to take

01:16:45.750 --> 01:16:48.570
their lives as hard as it gets.

01:16:49.575 --> 01:16:52.155
Everybody has a reason
for being on this planet.

01:16:53.625 --> 01:16:55.725
You've just not found it yet.

01:16:55.785 --> 01:16:59.775
Or you're just not with the right
tribe or group where you belong.

01:17:00.915 --> 01:17:05.625
And that level of belonging, it reminds
me of, um, crocodile Dundee when they're

01:17:05.625 --> 01:17:10.065
talking about, uh, a shrink and, uh,
I think they're in New York and shrink

01:17:10.065 --> 01:17:11.655
what Sarah psychiatrist, what do they do?

01:17:11.685 --> 01:17:14.235
Oh, you know, you pay them money,
you sit down, they tell them their

01:17:14.235 --> 01:17:16.005
problems and they help you through it.

01:17:16.005 --> 01:17:19.365
And you'd see them every
week or, or whatever it is.

01:17:19.365 --> 01:17:19.695
Right.

01:17:20.055 --> 01:17:21.075
Don't you have anything like that?

01:17:21.075 --> 01:17:23.475
And in where is he from walkabout Creek?

01:17:25.215 --> 01:17:28.515
And he says, oh no, we got, I forget
the guy's name, Bruce, the bartender.

01:17:28.515 --> 01:17:29.895
He'd tell Bruce your problems.

01:17:29.895 --> 01:17:31.005
Bruce tells everybody else.

01:17:31.005 --> 01:17:34.155
No more problem he's passed on.

01:17:34.565 --> 01:17:37.695
But that level of understanding
shared understanding so much.

01:17:37.695 --> 01:17:42.855
So often people just get it in their head
and they're carrying it all by themselves.

01:17:43.634 --> 01:17:48.014
And that level of belonging that you talk
about, whether it's with the, the mountain

01:17:48.014 --> 01:17:53.985
groups or the marathon runners or whatever
it might be, uh, is bigger than you.

01:17:54.195 --> 01:18:01.485
And it allows, I, I was asked to
do a talk and I'm still debating

01:18:01.485 --> 01:18:02.565
whether I'll do it or not.

01:18:02.565 --> 01:18:05.264
And I've just kinda been thinking
of the back of my head about,

01:18:05.325 --> 01:18:07.995
um, uh, what I'll talk on.

01:18:07.995 --> 01:18:12.045
But I essentially it's, it's along
the lines of mental health, um,

01:18:12.105 --> 01:18:13.934
that they've they've asked for.

01:18:14.085 --> 01:18:19.665
And, uh, w one of the concepts that
I was thinking of everyone says, oh,

01:18:19.665 --> 01:18:21.375
you got to work on yourself, right?

01:18:21.375 --> 01:18:22.514
You got to take care of yourself.

01:18:22.514 --> 01:18:27.315
You've got to work on yourself and you
can't help others until you help yourself.

01:18:27.615 --> 01:18:32.535
And I think, well, yes, to a degree,
but quite often the one thing that's

01:18:32.535 --> 01:18:36.945
going to help you more than anything
else is being of service to others.

01:18:37.394 --> 01:18:41.915
In some small degree or another being
able to help others will bring you.

01:18:42.750 --> 01:18:47.370
A level of value that you might
not be able to find if all

01:18:47.370 --> 01:18:50.070
you're doing is concentrating
on yourself and your own issues.

01:18:50.820 --> 01:18:54.480
Um, I haven't got that one dialed
in yet, but I'd be interested

01:18:54.480 --> 01:18:55.469
to hear what your guys' thoughts

01:18:55.469 --> 01:18:55.679
are.

01:18:56.700 --> 01:19:02.969
Well, you know, drive, um, I've, uh,
worked the last few years at heli

01:19:02.969 --> 01:19:06.210
ski guide and a mechanized cat guide.

01:19:06.299 --> 01:19:10.519
And, um, I struggled
with what my role was.

01:19:10.540 --> 01:19:12.179
I'm like, why am I doing this?

01:19:12.179 --> 01:19:15.450
Like, I understand the touring
ski guide and you're in the moment

01:19:15.450 --> 01:19:16.559
and you're taking a group out.

01:19:17.130 --> 01:19:21.030
Um, but the heli ski
guiding, I'm just like what?

01:19:22.349 --> 01:19:25.740
This is kind of, how am
I helping these people?

01:19:25.740 --> 01:19:29.309
This is, these are even
smaller than the 1%, right?

01:19:29.849 --> 01:19:33.000
What am I trying to get out of this?

01:19:33.059 --> 01:19:35.309
Like, how can I maybe help facilitate.

01:19:36.330 --> 01:19:36.719
Them.

01:19:37.410 --> 01:19:42.059
And, uh, I've a friend up in Whistler
and, uh, he's a trauma counselor and

01:19:42.059 --> 01:19:43.440
I was chatting with him about it.

01:19:43.980 --> 01:19:47.610
And he said, Jay, like your
connection you make, cause this

01:19:47.610 --> 01:19:49.110
is just a one day operation.

01:19:49.169 --> 01:19:54.570
This connection you make with these
clients, you don't know what the role is.

01:19:54.570 --> 01:19:56.040
You don't know what they're,
where they're coming from.

01:19:56.040 --> 01:19:57.299
You don't know where they're going.

01:19:57.330 --> 01:20:01.980
You don't know what they're going through,
but that connection you make with them

01:20:01.980 --> 01:20:06.809
that day will influence and affect
them positively or maybe negatively.

01:20:06.809 --> 01:20:07.080
Right.

01:20:07.830 --> 01:20:09.839
And I thought about that
and I took away from that.

01:20:09.870 --> 01:20:13.950
And then, um, I think this one time we're
waiting to get picked up for the hell.

01:20:13.950 --> 01:20:16.620
And I was connecting with this
gentleman from Australia of all things.

01:20:17.459 --> 01:20:20.280
And I was telling them, you know,
like my journey from the military,

01:20:20.280 --> 01:20:24.209
the fire service, working in adventure
therapy with Delaware bound veterans,

01:20:24.240 --> 01:20:29.309
maybe looking at my own program
for first responders, um, where my

01:20:29.309 --> 01:20:34.169
journey's taken me and that, and the
connection I had and it hits something.

01:20:35.460 --> 01:20:40.560
I think I exchanged details with
him and I got an email from them.

01:20:40.740 --> 01:20:45.060
Maybe six months later, they judge that
day we spent together was phenomenal.

01:20:45.540 --> 01:20:51.180
Um, I wasn't doing that well, uh, but
just to let you know, like I'm a CEO of

01:20:51.180 --> 01:20:57.840
a company that has over 300 employees and
that day we spent was able for me to go

01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:01.500
back, maybe get the help he needed, but
he's able to keep going, keep everyone

01:21:01.500 --> 01:21:02.880
employed, keep the company going.

01:21:03.450 --> 01:21:07.920
Um, and that actually hit home
for me like that one day, that one

01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:14.130
moment that connection with that
individual, um, is purpose, right?

01:21:14.190 --> 01:21:16.500
And it could be that seven days in larger.

01:21:16.500 --> 01:21:22.680
It could be that one day, um, on a back
country ski tour, or it could be, um,

01:21:23.580 --> 01:21:25.260
on a bus and we were talking about you.

01:21:25.260 --> 01:21:27.030
And I talked about that gentleman.

01:21:28.005 --> 01:21:32.205
You said where, you know, he,
at the last minute said, um,

01:21:32.325 --> 01:21:34.365
aim off, you know, injury.

01:21:34.365 --> 01:21:37.365
And I said, it's interesting because
you and I chatted just before

01:21:37.365 --> 01:21:40.815
that, I had watched something on
YouTube, about a kid who took the

01:21:40.815 --> 01:21:44.385
bus to the, um, golden gate bridge.

01:21:44.925 --> 01:21:47.385
And he was crying on the bus and
people were making fun of him.

01:21:47.385 --> 01:21:50.595
Not anyone checked in with them
and said, what's going on, got

01:21:50.595 --> 01:21:52.815
off the bus and jumped off.

01:21:52.905 --> 01:21:55.125
And the moment he jumped, he's
like, I made a mistake and he

01:21:55.125 --> 01:21:57.555
survived, but he was a mess.

01:21:57.585 --> 01:21:57.885
Right.

01:21:58.215 --> 01:22:01.905
But not a single person on the bus
showed him any empathy, compassion,

01:22:02.265 --> 01:22:03.585
nobody checked in with them.

01:22:04.065 --> 01:22:06.915
So we don't know where this
moment connection's going to be.

01:22:07.545 --> 01:22:09.075
You know, it could be
that person on the bus.

01:22:09.075 --> 01:22:16.305
It could be, um, the client, it could
be that, um, follow her an Instagram.

01:22:16.425 --> 01:22:16.815
Sure.

01:22:16.935 --> 01:22:17.265
Right.

01:22:17.355 --> 01:22:20.775
So you just don't know
where it's coming or going.

01:22:23.265 --> 01:22:23.655
I agree.

01:22:26.925 --> 01:22:27.825
Viktor Frankl.

01:22:27.975 --> 01:22:30.135
He was the father of modern logotherapy.

01:22:30.394 --> 01:22:31.245
You guys have heard of him?

01:22:32.235 --> 01:22:32.685
No.

01:22:32.745 --> 01:22:33.795
If it's in a book, not

01:22:33.795 --> 01:22:34.095
me.

01:22:34.155 --> 01:22:34.515
Okay.

01:22:34.545 --> 01:22:37.605
He wrote a book called
man's search for meaning.

01:22:37.605 --> 01:22:37.875
I think it

01:22:37.875 --> 01:22:38.295
was called.

01:22:38.625 --> 01:22:39.675
Just interrupt here though.

01:22:39.735 --> 01:22:40.215
I am.

01:22:41.025 --> 01:22:49.125
I'm so impressed with Travis is able to
remember like the title, the phrase it is.

01:22:50.785 --> 01:22:56.894
I can get some stuff down, but Travis
is just like author book and then boom.

01:22:57.045 --> 01:22:57.285
Yeah.

01:22:57.345 --> 01:22:59.475
Have me remember a name
right after I meet you.

01:22:59.505 --> 01:22:59.894
Come on.

01:23:00.165 --> 01:23:00.735
Yeah,

01:23:00.765 --> 01:23:03.615
we have this chat in the, uh,
in the truck coming up here.

01:23:03.855 --> 01:23:04.155
Okay.

01:23:06.225 --> 01:23:06.935
Yeah, but

01:23:06.935 --> 01:23:07.285
books.

01:23:07.305 --> 01:23:07.605
Yeah.

01:23:07.695 --> 01:23:07.965
Books.

01:23:07.965 --> 01:23:08.894
You don't do no.

01:23:09.345 --> 01:23:09.825
All get.

01:23:09.825 --> 01:23:11.715
And then that's it never in my head.

01:23:11.715 --> 01:23:12.945
I'm just like, I can't carry on

01:23:13.485 --> 01:23:14.545
all life like that or

01:23:14.775 --> 01:23:17.235
whole life, whole life like that.

01:23:17.595 --> 01:23:19.555
Where is it?

01:23:19.555 --> 01:23:21.945
Show me video.

01:23:22.245 --> 01:23:22.394
Yeah.

01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:26.790
Or do it and I'll do
it or I'll remember it.

01:23:27.060 --> 01:23:29.040
See, I I'm very much a do it.

01:23:29.280 --> 01:23:31.920
You can show me, you can tell me you can.

01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:36.480
And until I do it, even as a kid,
Travis, don't touch that stove.

01:23:36.510 --> 01:23:37.080
It's hot.

01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:39.720
Like how hot, like,
what do you mean by hot?

01:23:40.140 --> 01:23:40.680
Let me see.

01:23:40.890 --> 01:23:42.150
Oh, that's what you mean by hot.

01:23:42.150 --> 01:23:42.510
Got it.

01:23:42.630 --> 01:23:42.930
Right.

01:23:42.930 --> 01:23:48.300
I remember as a kid, I stuck my
hand into a, um, uh, an electric

01:23:48.540 --> 01:23:52.290
popcorn machine, but not a hot air,
one, it heated up oil inside there.

01:23:52.290 --> 01:23:53.490
And you put your stuff in there.

01:23:53.490 --> 01:24:00.260
And I had, um, um, blusters all up and
down my arms and apparently I'm surprised

01:24:00.270 --> 01:24:02.400
I don't have big scabby scars on my arms.

01:24:02.460 --> 01:24:07.035
I guess I'm gonna get healer, but,
uh, I have always been that way.

01:24:07.125 --> 01:24:08.565
I have to do it myself.

01:24:08.594 --> 01:24:10.905
You can tell me till
you're blue in the face.

01:24:11.445 --> 01:24:11.775
Right.

01:24:11.804 --> 01:24:15.224
Jay's could be like, okay, Travis, just
your hand, hold like this pivot like that.

01:24:15.285 --> 01:24:20.955
And I actually have to do it myself before
it'll ever sink in just dance like that.

01:24:20.955 --> 01:24:21.405
I guess

01:24:21.764 --> 01:24:22.785
I wouldn't say dens.

01:24:23.355 --> 01:24:25.215
We've all got a little
different capacity and we

01:24:25.634 --> 01:24:26.054
different.

01:24:26.085 --> 01:24:26.804
Exactly.

01:24:26.804 --> 01:24:29.804
Some people are at the front of
the train, so people are at the

01:24:29.804 --> 01:24:31.394
back, but we're all moving along.

01:24:31.394 --> 01:24:31.665
Right.

01:24:32.535 --> 01:24:40.425
Um, but yeah, with the, uh, Viktor Frankl
fellow, so atrocities concentration

01:24:40.425 --> 01:24:45.825
camps, he was in, uh, uh, need took it
from an analytical perspective while

01:24:45.825 --> 01:24:51.014
everyone has families dying, his friends
are dying, is surrounded by people.

01:24:51.014 --> 01:24:55.815
Who've got everything taken from them and
some people can't even get out of bed.

01:24:55.905 --> 01:24:59.565
Some people are just beside themselves
with grief and other people are using.

01:25:00.705 --> 01:25:05.445
Able to crack a joke or to find
humor in odd little things.

01:25:05.445 --> 01:25:09.674
And he thinks like, how is it that we're
all subjected to the exact same thing.

01:25:10.245 --> 01:25:13.485
And some people are affected
so differently than others.

01:25:14.415 --> 01:25:18.884
And, you know, I think comes down
to mental resiliency and past life

01:25:18.884 --> 01:25:22.394
experiences and where your mindset
and what you can picture in that

01:25:22.394 --> 01:25:25.905
support group of what you think you
have around whether real or imagined.

01:25:26.625 --> 01:25:28.575
Um, but he had that famous quote.

01:25:28.605 --> 01:25:31.545
The one thing you can't take from
me is the way that I choose to

01:25:31.545 --> 01:25:32.955
respond to what you do to me.

01:25:33.375 --> 01:25:36.945
The last of life's great freedoms
is one's ability to choose their own

01:25:36.945 --> 01:25:43.065
attitude in any given circumstance and
being able to choose that attitude and

01:25:43.065 --> 01:25:44.655
knowing that that's a choice, right?

01:25:44.655 --> 01:25:47.174
And if I'm happy, that's a choice.

01:25:47.474 --> 01:25:49.005
If I'm mad, that's a choice.

01:25:49.005 --> 01:25:53.384
Like you can do something to me that
could make me mad, but you that's

01:25:53.384 --> 01:25:58.245
me choosing to be mad understanding
why you have that level of control.

01:25:58.245 --> 01:25:58.875
I think is.

01:25:59.955 --> 01:26:05.565
Incredibly powerful in being
able to kind of deal with whether

01:26:05.565 --> 01:26:09.434
it's anxiety or depression or
PTSD or whatever it might be.

01:26:09.434 --> 01:26:11.925
I think that's a very powerful part of it.

01:26:12.554 --> 01:26:16.545
Having that group, that support network,
I think is like, what you're talking

01:26:16.545 --> 01:26:22.845
about there, Dean is incredibly powerful
and he had one story of a, um, of a

01:26:22.845 --> 01:26:27.764
man who came in and, uh, his wife had
passed away and he just didn't see any

01:26:27.764 --> 01:26:31.514
reason for living any longer and all
the hardships that he was enduring.

01:26:32.325 --> 01:26:38.235
And he says, well, what
if your wife had lived?

01:26:38.745 --> 01:26:39.195
Right.

01:26:39.375 --> 01:26:43.934
And you'd been the one who died
in this situation, she'd be in

01:26:43.934 --> 01:26:45.135
during all of these hardships.

01:26:45.135 --> 01:26:49.245
Wouldn't she say, well, yeah,
he says, well, then you've kind

01:26:49.245 --> 01:26:50.385
of saved her from all of that.

01:26:50.385 --> 01:26:50.835
Didn't you.

01:26:50.835 --> 01:26:52.075
And now you're carrying that.

01:26:52.965 --> 01:26:57.884
Uh, he talks about finding meaning in
suffering and there, there is a level of

01:26:57.884 --> 01:27:03.165
meaning be by living for others or find
finding that meaning either in suffering

01:27:03.165 --> 01:27:05.325
and it enjoy it in whatever it might be.

01:27:05.924 --> 01:27:10.605
And so I've been playing with that concept
a little bit in the back of my head.

01:27:10.605 --> 01:27:14.835
And I mean, since we're talking openly
here, I figured I'd just throw it

01:27:14.835 --> 01:27:18.974
out to see kind of what your thoughts
from your life experiences were.

01:27:18.974 --> 01:27:21.224
If, if that's a, uh,

01:27:23.474 --> 01:27:23.985
he's looking

01:27:23.985 --> 01:27:29.474
at me, don't say certain things,
Dean, keep some of the things in

01:27:29.474 --> 01:27:32.835
the book and keep them closed and
put under like under the little

01:27:32.835 --> 01:27:32.985
chair.

01:27:33.195 --> 01:27:35.445
Well didn't you guys have a
chat or the way you Anna, but

01:27:35.445 --> 01:27:36.795
what was not allowed to be said?

01:27:38.625 --> 01:27:41.505
Yeah, that's his nervous laugh
because he thinks now I'm going to

01:27:41.505 --> 01:27:43.005
tell you, but we've had that shot.

01:27:43.304 --> 01:27:44.474
So I respect.

01:27:44.745 --> 01:27:46.665
We have quite well.

01:27:46.665 --> 01:27:49.065
I mean the British
soldiers are, are an inch.

01:27:50.205 --> 01:27:50.625
Group.

01:27:51.435 --> 01:27:58.545
So there are certain things that are sets
us apart, I would say from other armies.

01:27:58.725 --> 01:27:59.055
Sure.

01:27:59.295 --> 01:28:01.185
So it's all sense of humor.

01:28:01.605 --> 01:28:07.155
Um, the battlefield is a horrible
place and the, the British

01:28:07.725 --> 01:28:10.005
soldier will make a joke about it.

01:28:10.995 --> 01:28:14.475
But to anybody outside of that
circle, they'll think really,

01:28:17.175 --> 01:28:21.705
but for them to operate and keep
moving, they have to do something.

01:28:22.125 --> 01:28:26.055
They have to, if they would just sit there
and compute, like, what have I just seen?

01:28:26.055 --> 01:28:29.475
What what's just happened,
then we start to slow down.

01:28:30.525 --> 01:28:32.745
So it's like quick joke.

01:28:32.895 --> 01:28:37.985
Like let's get on an E and
you, so, but we take that with.

01:28:38.970 --> 01:28:41.520
Forever mentality, laugh joke.

01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:45.570
And it's like, oh, do you
see what he  last night?

01:28:47.010 --> 01:28:47.320
Do you sit?

01:28:47.320 --> 01:28:48.780
See Dean was wearing a dress.

01:28:48.870 --> 01:28:52.980
Oh, he does that every weekend,
you know, as a joke, but in the

01:28:52.980 --> 01:28:55.710
real world, it was like, why do
you wear a dress every weekend?

01:28:56.370 --> 01:28:58.890
It's like, oh no, no, no,
he's just, it was female.

01:28:59.550 --> 01:29:01.470
But why do you revert
to address all the time?

01:29:01.650 --> 01:29:02.010
Right.

01:29:03.060 --> 01:29:03.450
Well, yeah.

01:29:03.510 --> 01:29:03.980
Why do

01:29:04.450 --> 01:29:04.890
you know what I mean?

01:29:04.950 --> 01:29:06.030
Why do you wear a dress?

01:29:06.390 --> 01:29:07.500
I wasn't aware of this.

01:29:09.180 --> 01:29:09.930
We're all inclusive.

01:29:10.350 --> 01:29:14.130
Well, somebody left it when they
stayed and they stayed one night.

01:29:14.550 --> 01:29:19.020
Um, so yeah, that, yeah, I've become
a bit of a, because a bit of a joke.

01:29:19.110 --> 01:29:19.440
Yeah.

01:29:20.010 --> 01:29:22.650
But then you just sort of, you
carry that on because everybody's

01:29:22.650 --> 01:29:26.400
laughing about it and that becomes
the comedy moment all the time.

01:29:26.790 --> 01:29:31.860
You're talking about something in a way
that's a little bit healthier than either

01:29:31.860 --> 01:29:34.710
not talking about it or getting down on

01:29:34.710 --> 01:29:34.830
it.

01:29:35.280 --> 01:29:37.469
Well, Well, we keep revert.

01:29:37.530 --> 01:29:42.570
Well, I keep reverting back to the time
in the army, but when my, not my darkest

01:29:42.570 --> 01:29:48.690
moment, but there was some times where
I'd stay in my room and drink because

01:29:48.690 --> 01:29:49.920
you don't talk about it to anybody.

01:29:50.280 --> 01:29:53.280
Because in the old days, a little
bit of army, it was you work hard.

01:29:53.280 --> 01:29:53.879
You play hard.

01:29:55.410 --> 01:29:57.509
We go to war, we come
home, we see our families.

01:29:57.570 --> 01:30:00.030
We go drink, you go down to
the NAFI, you go to the Ms.

01:30:00.179 --> 01:30:04.679
And then you go downtown and he just
would keep, keep repeating this cycle

01:30:04.710 --> 01:30:06.599
over and over and over and over again.

01:30:08.309 --> 01:30:11.530
So then if you have got an issue,
you're not down the corporate

01:30:11.549 --> 01:30:12.540
mess, you're at your own home.

01:30:13.139 --> 01:30:17.160
You've got a bar downstairs in your
cellar or in your room, in a block,

01:30:18.089 --> 01:30:22.080
and you're drinking with yourself and
you're having your moments to yourself.

01:30:22.679 --> 01:30:25.860
And you're thinking if I go out there
and start talking to somebody about this,

01:30:27.330 --> 01:30:30.299
they've got, they might have their own
problem, or they're going to laugh at me.

01:30:31.905 --> 01:30:36.045
It's like, I've got men under me
that I need to be in command of.

01:30:36.525 --> 01:30:37.515
Can't go and talk to any of them.

01:30:38.355 --> 01:30:42.345
But if I go talk to the above me,
are they going to think I'm weak?

01:30:42.465 --> 01:30:43.305
Right.

01:30:43.845 --> 01:30:44.865
So I can't talk to them.

01:30:46.005 --> 01:30:46.635
So what do I do?

01:30:47.055 --> 01:30:48.735
I just sit there and get
drunk, wake up next morning.

01:30:49.245 --> 01:30:49.695
Hmm.

01:30:49.785 --> 01:30:50.295
Keep it in.

01:30:51.705 --> 01:31:01.455
But the stories that we could tell about
our adventures, um, some of them have

01:31:01.455 --> 01:31:04.635
to be kept under the, and in the box.

01:31:04.635 --> 01:31:06.735
Cause Jason will never allow
me to come back to Canada.

01:31:07.905 --> 01:31:09.555
I would never be able to climb again.

01:31:10.425 --> 01:31:11.685
He would never talk to me again.

01:31:11.745 --> 01:31:15.615
Uh, but Jason, feel free
to share any of mine.

01:31:16.065 --> 01:31:16.455
Um,

01:31:17.505 --> 01:31:22.815
my, my granddad on my mom's side
was in there all kinda air grow

01:31:22.815 --> 01:31:24.135
cane air force, world war two.

01:31:24.135 --> 01:31:28.635
And he was a crew chief or flight
engineer on a Lancaster bomber.

01:31:28.635 --> 01:31:29.775
And, uh, he got wounded to.

01:31:30.525 --> 01:31:31.755
Flack or shrapnel.

01:31:31.965 --> 01:31:36.674
And, but I remember my mother telling me
that Christmases were horrible, that you

01:31:36.674 --> 01:31:40.094
grew up in, and there was three sisters
and two brothers and the brothers were

01:31:40.094 --> 01:31:41.775
younger and one wasn't born at the time.

01:31:42.224 --> 01:31:46.965
And my mom had nothing good
to say about her, her life

01:31:46.965 --> 01:31:50.745
growing up and her, um, family.

01:31:51.525 --> 01:31:51.884
Right.

01:31:53.535 --> 01:31:58.514
It wasn't until I started struggling
with my mental health coming out, maybe

01:31:58.514 --> 01:32:07.245
Afghanistan, um, Iraq, um, fire service,
um, that I started to analyze the

01:32:07.245 --> 01:32:09.644
support network that my granddad had.

01:32:09.735 --> 01:32:12.825
And he didn't have any, he
didn't have it at that time.

01:32:13.335 --> 01:32:18.945
Um, there was the sergeant's mess and
the Legion metros, and that was it.

01:32:19.125 --> 01:32:19.575
Right?

01:32:19.605 --> 01:32:23.264
So like Dina was saying at that
time he just self medicated.

01:32:23.684 --> 01:32:26.474
He went to the sergeant's
mess and got himself.

01:32:27.835 --> 01:32:33.165
Went to Legion came home and now his
wife is three adult daughters, or

01:32:33.165 --> 01:32:37.695
teenage daughters are waiting for him
and he smashed the Christmas tree up.

01:32:38.565 --> 01:32:38.895
Right.

01:32:38.895 --> 01:32:43.005
So now I'm sitting there analyzing
my own journey where I've been in.

01:32:43.035 --> 01:32:48.165
And, um, my, uh, my uncle Bruce just
passed away a couple of years ago, but

01:32:48.165 --> 01:32:53.355
he was the last living, um, uh, son
and cause my mom passed away everybody.

01:32:53.355 --> 01:32:53.595
Right.

01:32:54.045 --> 01:32:56.745
And I said to him, and I
said, uncle Bruce, he doesn't

01:32:56.745 --> 01:32:57.945
remember any of these stories.

01:32:57.945 --> 01:32:59.025
Cause he was very young.

01:32:59.385 --> 01:33:01.905
So by the time everybody moved
out, it was just him and his dad.

01:33:01.905 --> 01:33:05.175
And he had efficient buddy doesn't
remember any of the anger, the drinking.

01:33:05.625 --> 01:33:11.145
But I said, uncle Bruce, you know,
there was nothing in place for your dad.

01:33:11.445 --> 01:33:12.525
There was nothing in place.

01:33:12.525 --> 01:33:16.425
He all he had was avoidance and
drinking and he went through this on

01:33:16.425 --> 01:33:18.825
his own and obviously the family brunt.

01:33:19.245 --> 01:33:23.145
So I said, you know, I'm not
trying to justify what happened,

01:33:23.145 --> 01:33:25.335
but I'm just saying, I just
want everyone in the family.

01:33:26.100 --> 01:33:28.800
To appreciate and understand
that he was struggling.

01:33:29.040 --> 01:33:31.320
There was no support network for them.

01:33:31.890 --> 01:33:35.370
And like Dean said, like in
2000, like we joined 99 and I

01:33:35.370 --> 01:33:37.290
left 2009 a little bit longer.

01:33:37.950 --> 01:33:40.200
There wasn't any support network.

01:33:40.200 --> 01:33:43.740
I had a Padre cause I didn't go with
my unit when I deployed Afghanistan

01:33:43.890 --> 01:33:45.510
with a different unit came back.

01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:51.180
So I might even with the guys that
I served with, and this was 2007,

01:33:51.330 --> 01:33:52.830
the Padre, my unit debriefed me.

01:33:52.830 --> 01:33:54.150
I went home for three months on leave.

01:33:54.300 --> 01:33:54.820
And that was it.

01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:55.260
That was it.

01:33:55.950 --> 01:33:56.280
Right.

01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:00.750
And like I said, I told you, like
I was in a firefight Taliban sniper

01:34:00.750 --> 01:34:04.410
meshed my head six inches before I
came home or 24 hours to go on the

01:34:04.410 --> 01:34:06.240
juror, spelt the court, I'd go by.

01:34:06.240 --> 01:34:07.170
And I'm like, whoa, that's close.

01:34:07.170 --> 01:34:07.440
Right.

01:34:07.830 --> 01:34:12.330
They literally off that back to
Tewkesbury check-in with mother

01:34:12.750 --> 01:34:13.980
and on a flight back to Canada.

01:34:14.820 --> 01:34:15.450
And that was normal.

01:34:16.410 --> 01:34:18.240
Right after devices.

01:34:18.630 --> 01:34:19.650
And that was 2007.

01:34:20.160 --> 01:34:20.430
All right.

01:34:20.580 --> 01:34:21.450
It's not that long ago.

01:34:21.480 --> 01:34:22.170
Not that long ago.

01:34:22.410 --> 01:34:24.360
And even like in the fire
service, I got all thing.

01:34:24.360 --> 01:34:28.500
Mental health was recognized
about 2015, really supportive by

01:34:28.500 --> 01:34:34.140
WCB, getting involved, you know,
so it's all relatively newer

01:34:35.100 --> 01:34:35.370
for us.

01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:36.900
It's it's still new.

01:34:37.320 --> 01:34:46.980
Um, I remember I had six sessions with
the CPN, so I'll be open what's the CPN.

01:34:47.250 --> 01:34:48.330
It was like a counseling.

01:34:48.480 --> 01:34:48.810
Okay.

01:34:49.110 --> 01:34:51.390
So I'd gone home.

01:34:51.450 --> 01:34:54.450
I was married at the
time, uh, to Guernsey.

01:34:54.660 --> 01:34:58.050
So flight from Germany back
to UK, back to Guernsey.

01:34:58.590 --> 01:35:01.260
Um, and it was two weeks leave.

01:35:02.280 --> 01:35:03.030
I didn't go back.

01:35:05.790 --> 01:35:12.780
Ah, W Tina, the wife was watching
a program on the telly and

01:35:12.780 --> 01:35:13.889
I had a little bit to drink.

01:35:14.160 --> 01:35:18.990
And then next minute something had
happened on the tele I'm under the table.

01:35:20.070 --> 01:35:22.230
And she's like, what you're doing?

01:35:23.400 --> 01:35:25.889
I was like, sorry, what?

01:35:26.669 --> 01:35:27.990
I just, I, at the moment.

01:35:28.589 --> 01:35:30.099
So I said, I can't go back.

01:35:30.360 --> 01:35:31.650
I can't talk to anybody in Africa.

01:35:31.870 --> 01:35:36.690
So she rang POC and she rang the
battalion, said like, you know, my

01:35:36.690 --> 01:35:38.070
husband's struggling, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:38.580 --> 01:35:40.049
Um, and they were like, right.

01:35:40.169 --> 01:35:45.089
Look getting back, you know,
um, and we'll get him some help.

01:35:45.089 --> 01:35:47.549
And she says, look, it's
private in Guernsey.

01:35:47.549 --> 01:35:48.540
She's got health package.

01:35:48.540 --> 01:35:51.900
So I goes to this doctor, um,
start chatting to him and he

01:35:51.900 --> 01:35:53.339
says, can I be honest with you?

01:35:54.299 --> 01:35:55.320
I said, yeah, please do.

01:35:56.250 --> 01:35:57.959
He says, I can't have, I
don't know what you're doing.

01:35:59.985 --> 01:36:00.195
Aye.

01:36:00.245 --> 01:36:00.635
Aye.

01:36:00.855 --> 01:36:01.095
Aye.

01:36:01.215 --> 01:36:02.895
Not, this is not my field.

01:36:02.895 --> 01:36:04.155
I don't know how I help you.

01:36:04.725 --> 01:36:08.475
You know, maybe you get some counseling
or, or something or I give you some

01:36:08.475 --> 01:36:10.995
pills and I'm very much no pills for me.

01:36:10.995 --> 01:36:11.385
Thank you.

01:36:12.075 --> 01:36:16.395
So then I get sent back to battalion,
get picked up at the airport, get back.

01:36:16.815 --> 01:36:22.035
Um, and Tina said like, I'll send him
back as long as he's going to get help.

01:36:22.095 --> 01:36:22.265
Yeah.

01:36:22.265 --> 01:36:22.455
Yeah.

01:36:22.455 --> 01:36:23.055
We're going to help him.

01:36:23.085 --> 01:36:24.435
We've got to help him gets back.

01:36:24.735 --> 01:36:28.485
Six weeks later, he is on the phone to me.

01:36:28.725 --> 01:36:29.805
I'm drunk in my room.

01:36:29.985 --> 01:36:31.185
She's like he getting help.

01:36:31.725 --> 01:36:33.825
It was like, yeah, it's all right.

01:36:33.855 --> 01:36:34.215
It's all right.

01:36:34.215 --> 01:36:34.965
I got this.

01:36:35.025 --> 01:36:35.895
She said, you're not, are you?

01:36:36.045 --> 01:36:38.895
I says, no, no, it's what
I've got this, but I wasn't.

01:36:39.855 --> 01:36:45.765
So then eventually I got told
I had, um, not an interview.

01:36:45.885 --> 01:36:49.785
I had a meeting at this place
with a, like, not a shrink.

01:36:49.815 --> 01:36:51.315
It wasn't a shrink, it
was just a counselor.

01:36:51.655 --> 01:36:53.715
So I was like, okay, cool.

01:36:53.775 --> 01:36:54.285
Where is it?

01:36:56.145 --> 01:36:57.135
Free buildings.

01:36:58.379 --> 01:37:03.750
From my bunk house on our
camp was the CPN office.

01:37:04.650 --> 01:37:05.429
I could have walked down there.

01:37:05.429 --> 01:37:08.250
If somebody told me it was then
I'll book booked him himself.

01:37:08.429 --> 01:37:11.669
Well, free doors, free buildings down.

01:37:12.269 --> 01:37:16.830
Then when I get in and I start talking to
this chap he's ex ref nurse or something.

01:37:17.639 --> 01:37:22.169
So he's like, you know, so, you
know, what do you want to talk about?

01:37:23.190 --> 01:37:23.940
So nothing really.

01:37:25.740 --> 01:37:26.129
I don't know.

01:37:26.360 --> 01:37:26.719
I don't know.

01:37:26.790 --> 01:37:27.900
I don't really want to talk to you.

01:37:28.500 --> 01:37:28.980
I'm honest.

01:37:29.580 --> 01:37:31.950
So he says, I'll just tell you a
bit about my background and then

01:37:31.950 --> 01:37:33.629
you just start, oh, he's XRF.

01:37:33.660 --> 01:37:36.809
I've got these forces, so it can feel
a little bit uncomfortable, started

01:37:36.809 --> 01:37:43.290
talking, but honestly, back then, after
the fourth session with him, I'm sat

01:37:43.290 --> 01:37:48.150
there listening to his problems about
his wife, leaving him and his daughter

01:37:48.299 --> 01:37:52.500
going out in the local town and the
boys meeting her a lot of the times.

01:37:52.500 --> 01:37:54.450
And I'm like, I've got, get.

01:37:55.290 --> 01:37:57.180
Hmm, this isn't helping me whatsoever.

01:37:57.210 --> 01:37:58.740
So he said, so he says scope of Nugent.

01:37:58.740 --> 01:38:00.750
He says, do you think these
sessions have been answered yet?

01:38:00.780 --> 01:38:01.110
Thank you.

01:38:01.110 --> 01:38:01.470
Brilliant.

01:38:01.769 --> 01:38:02.160
I'm good.

01:38:03.059 --> 01:38:04.170
And I just walked out the door.

01:38:05.940 --> 01:38:09.180
They still, and then we've,
we've Chris, our friend.

01:38:09.570 --> 01:38:16.260
So since 2014, Chris has had five
attempts on his life and I've been to

01:38:16.260 --> 01:38:21.180
the hospital where the NHS has signed
up to the Arden armed forces, covenant.

01:38:21.180 --> 01:38:22.050
And I've been gaslighted a lot.

01:38:22.050 --> 01:38:22.710
He's a veteran.

01:38:22.890 --> 01:38:23.610
He needs help.

01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:24.090
Yeah.

01:38:24.120 --> 01:38:25.110
Just get him to sit over there.

01:38:26.130 --> 01:38:28.860
And one of his triggers is
a baby cry, babies crying

01:38:29.070 --> 01:38:30.900
because of a situation he had.

01:38:32.040 --> 01:38:33.720
So we're in this hospital,
these babies cry.

01:38:33.990 --> 01:38:37.530
He is now got his hand and he's
digging his nails into his face.

01:38:37.620 --> 01:38:42.030
He's trying to peel his face off and
I'm sat there watching this and I'm

01:38:42.030 --> 01:38:44.640
like, damn, let's get him outside.

01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:45.809
Some fresh air, get him outside.

01:38:45.809 --> 01:38:47.160
He's crying now he's feet.

01:38:47.160 --> 01:38:48.180
He can't do this.

01:38:49.140 --> 01:38:50.340
And I'm thinking, so it goes in.

01:38:50.340 --> 01:38:51.599
I said, have you not got.

01:38:52.905 --> 01:38:57.465
Or somewhere I can sit him down away
from everybody else so that I can

01:38:57.465 --> 01:38:59.415
just, he can be in his own environment.

01:38:59.415 --> 01:39:00.375
I can just calm him down.

01:39:00.795 --> 01:39:02.415
She's like, oh, I'll go and look.

01:39:02.415 --> 01:39:02.985
So let's go low.

01:39:03.045 --> 01:39:04.095
And then they get this room.

01:39:05.205 --> 01:39:08.685
We sit in, there, comes down until
I'm like, well, when are we're

01:39:08.695 --> 01:39:13.485
going to get this guy seen to, you
know, we, we don't have, it's not

01:39:13.485 --> 01:39:14.865
about being priority or anything.

01:39:15.165 --> 01:39:16.545
The reason there isn't a book.

01:39:17.625 --> 01:39:19.035
This is how we solve this problem.

01:39:19.065 --> 01:39:21.645
Or this is how we deal
with we're all making.

01:39:22.155 --> 01:39:23.415
It sounds horrible.

01:39:23.745 --> 01:39:27.855
We're all making it up as we go along
to a point we're following certain.

01:39:28.095 --> 01:39:33.615
Oh, so the old book from 1950 said, we do
this, this, this, that, that don't work.

01:39:33.825 --> 01:39:37.845
DSM three said this, but DSM four
contradicts now DSM five puts it in the

01:39:37.845 --> 01:39:40.185
cluster group or whatever it might be.

01:39:40.335 --> 01:39:40.815
So

01:39:41.475 --> 01:39:44.865
what works for me is if I'm
out in the Hulu or in the wilds

01:39:44.865 --> 01:39:49.695
and go for what Travis come
for a walk with me, let's chat.

01:39:50.085 --> 01:39:50.595
How's everything.

01:39:51.660 --> 01:39:53.880
Well, Dean, do you know what I don't make?

01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:56.850
Tommy will keep walking
until you finished,

01:39:58.660 --> 01:40:03.850
you know, how few people actually have
that in their life or have somebody

01:40:03.850 --> 01:40:04.960
that they can do that with them.

01:40:05.080 --> 01:40:05.620
That's

01:40:05.620 --> 01:40:05.980
that's

01:40:05.980 --> 01:40:07.510
that, that's that thing.

01:40:07.510 --> 01:40:09.400
And this is where Chris had that with me.

01:40:09.400 --> 01:40:14.710
And I have that with Chris and I have that
with Jason, that Jason needs to go for

01:40:14.740 --> 01:40:16.840
what Jay's can we not do anything today?

01:40:18.460 --> 01:40:21.400
But he knows you need that moment.

01:40:21.980 --> 01:40:22.720
You want to talk about it?

01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:23.220
Yeah.

01:40:23.250 --> 01:40:24.010
Do or don't.

01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:30.490
And that, and that's that thing
of that, again, belonging, even

01:40:30.490 --> 01:40:35.980
if it's one person that you feel
like belonging, he's got my back.

01:40:35.980 --> 01:40:43.270
I know that if it's I'm back in the
UK and it's crap, I'll ring him up and

01:40:43.270 --> 01:40:44.530
I could ring him up at six o'clock.

01:40:44.980 --> 01:40:47.260
I know I'm going to get an air fall
for bringing him up at six o'clock

01:40:47.260 --> 01:40:50.440
straight away, but he will listen to.

01:40:51.585 --> 01:40:51.885
Yeah.

01:40:52.695 --> 01:40:56.505
And, and that's the one thing I
learned when I was helping Chris.

01:40:57.105 --> 01:41:00.224
I couldn't help him the way
he wanted me to help him.

01:41:01.304 --> 01:41:04.155
I couldn't wave a wand
and all of it go away.

01:41:05.175 --> 01:41:07.155
I needed him to do some things as well.

01:41:07.644 --> 01:41:08.205
Yes.

01:41:09.644 --> 01:41:12.315
And, and that was, it will always
be provers and I'll help you.

01:41:12.315 --> 01:41:13.094
And I've got your back.

01:41:13.264 --> 01:41:14.894
I need you to do some things as well.

01:41:15.825 --> 01:41:17.235
And that's what I've learned.

01:41:17.894 --> 01:41:23.715
It's that we all, we all want help and
support, but we need to do something

01:41:23.865 --> 01:41:25.335
to get to them points as well.

01:41:26.474 --> 01:41:26.925
I agree.

01:41:26.955 --> 01:41:28.304
Even if it's small things, yeah.

01:41:28.394 --> 01:41:32.865
Diet, exercise, sleep, then
watch the news hydration.

01:41:32.865 --> 01:41:35.295
Don't watch the news, get off
your device, get off social media,

01:41:35.295 --> 01:41:36.974
whatever, just small things.

01:41:37.005 --> 01:41:39.675
And maybe it's not, maybe,
maybe you're stuck on that.

01:41:39.675 --> 01:41:40.665
And that's the, where you have to be.

01:41:40.665 --> 01:41:40.905
Okay.

01:41:40.905 --> 01:41:44.445
Maybe it's 10 minutes,
maybe it's 15 minutes.

01:41:44.445 --> 01:41:45.974
And just, how do you build that?

01:41:46.815 --> 01:41:47.445
Plug away?

01:41:47.474 --> 01:41:49.125
Step-by-step yeah.

01:41:50.025 --> 01:41:50.525
It's interesting.

01:41:50.565 --> 01:41:53.235
You say that Java, I can't take
credit to it, but there's big

01:41:53.264 --> 01:41:57.075
four that I, I advocate for.

01:41:57.075 --> 01:42:01.754
And it was a Merican veteran that was
on maybe, um, YouTube or something.

01:42:01.754 --> 01:42:03.705
And he said fitness fanatic.

01:42:04.424 --> 01:42:09.855
And he said like in ourselves
and, and our peers, all there's

01:42:09.855 --> 01:42:11.264
four things that we can monitor.

01:42:11.745 --> 01:42:15.884
Um, we need purpose, healthy lifestyle.

01:42:16.695 --> 01:42:20.474
So diet, exercise, substance
control, and sleep.

01:42:21.375 --> 01:42:25.184
And those are the big four
that I monitor myself, others.

01:42:25.365 --> 01:42:30.495
So per purpose, healthy lifestyle,
substance controls, control, and sleep.

01:42:31.155 --> 01:42:33.094
So sleeps begging.

01:42:33.094 --> 01:42:37.455
And if any, one of those
goes, then the rest crumble.

01:42:37.844 --> 01:42:40.605
So those are the four
things that I recommend.

01:42:41.054 --> 01:42:42.195
I, we look for.

01:42:42.195 --> 01:42:46.275
So we're not mental health professionals,
so we know one of those are out.

01:42:46.275 --> 01:42:47.445
It's not our job to.

01:42:49.065 --> 01:42:52.845
Um, the fix that, but that's where
we have to be referred or refer our

01:42:52.845 --> 01:42:54.225
friends do, Hey, something's out.

01:42:54.225 --> 01:42:58.785
Maybe, you know, we're there to listen,
but basically those four are kind of like

01:42:58.785 --> 01:43:03.465
the pillars of, um, how I move forward.

01:43:04.065 --> 01:43:06.015
Um, and I think it's really important.

01:43:06.015 --> 01:43:11.745
Like, like Dean says to be there for each
other, but it's really important to be a

01:43:11.745 --> 01:43:16.785
witness to the chaos and not add to the
chaos that, that individual's going to.

01:43:17.205 --> 01:43:18.195
That's really critical.

01:43:18.525 --> 01:43:18.855
Right.

01:43:18.945 --> 01:43:22.245
So like the fellow there,
who's adding to the chaos.

01:43:22.245 --> 01:43:22.845
So you're speaking

01:43:22.845 --> 01:43:23.235
with yeah.

01:43:23.775 --> 01:43:24.465
And that's really important.

01:43:24.465 --> 01:43:25.665
And that has a lot to do.

01:43:25.665 --> 01:43:30.825
Like, um, I can relate, um,
there's one time in Afghanistan.

01:43:30.945 --> 01:43:33.315
That's not the time to inject that in.

01:43:33.375 --> 01:43:33.675
Right.

01:43:33.735 --> 01:43:35.775
It's got nothing to do with
you, what they do at the time.

01:43:35.865 --> 01:43:39.915
And that actually, that can also go
to like, you're talking about TIF and,

01:43:39.915 --> 01:43:42.345
um, Tiff's a great, great lady lover.

01:43:42.705 --> 01:43:50.415
Um, Uh, but, but when women,
not women, I've learned the hard

01:43:50.415 --> 01:43:53.295
way  comes to you with a problem.

01:43:53.535 --> 01:43:54.915
They're not looking for solutions.

01:43:54.975 --> 01:43:55.455
Yes.

01:43:55.965 --> 01:43:58.155
Unless they ass they're venting.

01:43:58.665 --> 01:43:58.995
Right.

01:43:59.055 --> 01:44:02.925
And I, and I had to learn that
with, um, uh, my ex lawyer.

01:44:03.465 --> 01:44:06.045
She had some problems, family
problems, and it would be a

01:44:06.045 --> 01:44:07.305
broken record over and over.

01:44:07.455 --> 01:44:08.925
And then I'm say, I don't
want to hear it anymore.

01:44:08.955 --> 01:44:09.285
Right.

01:44:09.705 --> 01:44:13.185
But what they're doing, or what I've
learned is they're venting and that's

01:44:13.215 --> 01:44:14.565
not just partners that just friends.

01:44:14.565 --> 01:44:14.745
Right.

01:44:15.375 --> 01:44:19.305
Um, they're venting and they're
not asking for a solution.

01:44:19.755 --> 01:44:20.025
Right.

01:44:20.205 --> 01:44:23.235
Unless they say, what do
you think that's your time?

01:44:23.535 --> 01:44:23.985
Yes.

01:44:24.135 --> 01:44:24.675
To inject.

01:44:24.675 --> 01:44:24.885
Right.

01:44:25.035 --> 01:44:30.825
It's a very difficult life skill
that most people that I seem to

01:44:30.825 --> 01:44:34.545
encounter have a very limited grasp on.

01:44:35.085 --> 01:44:38.865
Most people will listen long enough
to get their idea that they want

01:44:38.865 --> 01:44:40.365
to say what they want to say next.

01:44:40.365 --> 01:44:42.555
That reminds you of the
time when the here's, when.

01:44:43.305 --> 01:44:46.965
And they don't truly just listen
to what somebody else is saying.

01:44:46.995 --> 01:44:50.715
Obviously, in a podcast scenario like
this, we got, we have to have a little bit

01:44:50.715 --> 01:44:52.795
more thinking what's where are we going?

01:44:52.825 --> 01:44:54.195
Make sure we come back full circle.

01:44:54.195 --> 01:44:58.785
We got the pen and paper out here to
make sure that we're, um, we have some

01:44:58.905 --> 01:45:04.605
continuity as it goes through, but in
regular, everyday interactions with

01:45:04.605 --> 01:45:08.175
your friends, just sitting down and
listening and being happy for your friend

01:45:09.075 --> 01:45:16.935
in a, uh, in a meaningful way, I'd say
those number of people in your life.

01:45:16.935 --> 01:45:20.595
You could count them on a hand
on one hand that are, that

01:45:20.595 --> 01:45:21.615
are able to do that for you.

01:45:21.975 --> 01:45:23.325
That's been my experience.

01:45:24.075 --> 01:45:25.035
I can go with that one.

01:45:26.175 --> 01:45:27.855
Not many people do just sit and listen.

01:45:28.725 --> 01:45:32.325
They want to put their input
on what they believe is right.

01:45:32.325 --> 01:45:33.915
Or this is how you should do it.

01:45:34.395 --> 01:45:34.965
It's like, whoa.

01:45:38.070 --> 01:45:38.800
That's really good Dean.

01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:41.010
That's like the time I went to and okay.

01:45:41.940 --> 01:45:43.139
I was just talking about something.

01:45:43.139 --> 01:45:44.610
I was really happy and proud about.

01:45:44.610 --> 01:45:44.910
Right.

01:45:45.090 --> 01:45:46.320
Maybe I can have that moment.

01:45:46.320 --> 01:45:49.230
We can give it a little bit of time and
then we can talk about your moment, right?

01:45:50.250 --> 01:45:50.519
Yeah.

01:45:51.150 --> 01:45:56.190
You know, bringing up, uh, a mutual
friend for, um, for us is my friend

01:45:56.190 --> 01:46:00.960
Richie and you've met runtime and that's
one thing I can little Richard, you

01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:02.639
know, he's a great, great little dude.

01:46:02.730 --> 01:46:03.180
Uh,

01:46:03.450 --> 01:46:04.680
ex JTF too.

01:46:04.889 --> 01:46:06.660
No, no, he right on selection.

01:46:06.930 --> 01:46:07.320
Okay.

01:46:07.320 --> 01:46:08.010
I thought he did.

01:46:08.480 --> 01:46:09.380
He went on selection.

01:46:09.599 --> 01:46:14.130
It wasn't for him, whereas CCR, but
you know, he went to Afghanistan, but

01:46:14.130 --> 01:46:18.269
he became, I wanted to go star tech
and I met him on that ski traverse.

01:46:18.809 --> 01:46:22.620
And we're sitting there talking about,
um, he wanted to go, go on SARS tech

01:46:22.630 --> 01:46:26.190
selection, but the recruiting there
was telling me how to transfer, to

01:46:26.190 --> 01:46:27.690
become a medic and go to Petawawa.

01:46:28.500 --> 01:46:32.519
And he was about to get,
become a new, um, uh, husband.

01:46:32.910 --> 01:46:34.889
His wife was from Whistler
and I'm listening to story.

01:46:34.889 --> 01:46:38.865
I'm like, dude, Do not
go to pedal, do not.

01:46:39.335 --> 01:46:40.065
They're lying to you.

01:46:40.065 --> 01:46:42.315
They're trying to get you going
to be a medic in Petawawa and

01:46:42.315 --> 01:46:43.514
not anything wrong with that.

01:46:43.755 --> 01:46:48.255
But you live in Whistler and you're going
to move to Petawawa and I focused him and

01:46:48.255 --> 01:46:52.335
he, um, uh, he became a firefighter, did
all his training, firefighter and Whistler

01:46:52.335 --> 01:46:54.644
dream job, two kids, awesome wife.

01:46:55.214 --> 01:47:00.884
But my point about Richie is that
I don't have a bigger support that

01:47:00.945 --> 01:47:06.554
celebrates my wins like Richie
and the guiding his passion is the

01:47:06.554 --> 01:47:10.485
mountains, but he's gotta be a career
like after his family and kids.

01:47:10.485 --> 01:47:10.815
And sure.

01:47:11.115 --> 01:47:17.025
He's getting more and more out now as
the kids get older, but Richie, I just,

01:47:17.115 --> 01:47:22.424
he celebrates every exam I passed and
like, it's like, he he's passed too.

01:47:22.634 --> 01:47:23.325
That's awesome.

01:47:23.474 --> 01:47:26.594
You know, and I get the support
to hold those people close.

01:47:26.714 --> 01:47:27.105
Yeah.

01:47:27.165 --> 01:47:30.674
But just, I don't, this guy just
celebrates to the next level.

01:47:30.674 --> 01:47:32.325
It's crazy how that's awesome.

01:47:32.355 --> 01:47:34.365
How in depth did it is for him?

01:47:35.160 --> 01:47:39.150
So it's like, Hey Richie,

01:47:40.769 --> 01:47:44.759
well, in, in those big four that
you put there, I would say finding

01:47:44.759 --> 01:47:49.500
proper sleep is going to be, uh, an
easier one for people to accomplish.

01:47:49.679 --> 01:47:54.929
So there's the Zopiclone diamond,
Hydra, Naples, whatever, but, uh,

01:47:54.960 --> 01:48:00.660
melatonin, but there's something
that's achievable and, um, measurable.

01:48:00.809 --> 01:48:01.170
Right.

01:48:01.650 --> 01:48:04.320
Um, what was the substance?

01:48:04.469 --> 01:48:05.309
Substance control?

01:48:05.339 --> 01:48:06.059
Substance control.

01:48:06.059 --> 01:48:06.420
Okay.

01:48:06.480 --> 01:48:06.839
I get it.

01:48:06.839 --> 01:48:07.049
Yeah.

01:48:07.080 --> 01:48:12.030
Maybe if you like to have a couple
of drinks, maybe social media, right.

01:48:12.030 --> 01:48:12.179
It's a

01:48:12.179 --> 01:48:14.460
lot, lots fall into that bracket.

01:48:14.460 --> 01:48:14.700
Right.

01:48:14.790 --> 01:48:16.469
But there's something that's measurable.

01:48:16.950 --> 01:48:17.309
Okay.

01:48:17.370 --> 01:48:18.000
Uh, what was the other.

01:48:18.705 --> 01:48:24.255
Not progressed, healthy lifestyle, healthy
lifestyle, so exercising, eating properly.

01:48:24.735 --> 01:48:26.505
Um, again, measurable.

01:48:26.625 --> 01:48:30.105
I think the tough one in all of those
for people would be come back and we're

01:48:30.105 --> 01:48:32.415
going to come full circle here is purpose.

01:48:32.445 --> 01:48:32.835
Right.

01:48:33.165 --> 01:48:35.505
And what do you find
meaningful for yourself?

01:48:35.505 --> 01:48:37.695
Cause what I find meaningful
might not be the same as what

01:48:37.695 --> 01:48:39.045
somebody else finds meaningful.

01:48:39.585 --> 01:48:44.145
What I, my aspirations in life,
I want to have a strong family.

01:48:44.145 --> 01:48:46.575
I want my kids to do well
on my wife to do well.

01:48:46.575 --> 01:48:49.335
And I tell them all the time you
can throw a match in the house

01:48:49.335 --> 01:48:50.565
and burn everything to the ground.

01:48:50.565 --> 01:48:51.645
We can rebuild that.

01:48:51.675 --> 01:48:52.095
Right.

01:48:52.395 --> 01:48:54.975
But having that family
network needs to be intact.

01:48:54.975 --> 01:48:58.365
That's built through trust
and it's built through, um,

01:48:59.475 --> 01:49:02.055
consistently striving to do better.

01:49:02.595 --> 01:49:06.135
Uh, that's a huge level
of purpose for myself.

01:49:06.375 --> 01:49:08.055
Some people say, well,
I don't have the family.

01:49:08.535 --> 01:49:08.745
Right.

01:49:08.745 --> 01:49:10.815
Or maybe your purpose is in the mountains.

01:49:10.815 --> 01:49:13.515
Well, you know, I'm not really, I'm
not a mountain person, maybe some

01:49:13.515 --> 01:49:14.925
running, oh, my knees are terrible.

01:49:14.925 --> 01:49:15.095
Right.

01:49:15.884 --> 01:49:20.474
Uh, finding that level of purpose
is I think probably the one piece

01:49:20.474 --> 01:49:26.295
of that, that, uh, four piece puzzle
that might be the sticking block

01:49:26.295 --> 01:49:32.325
for people that are in an area where
they just can't see past the horizon.

01:49:32.445 --> 01:49:34.004
They can't see that next hurdle.

01:49:34.004 --> 01:49:35.474
And they think, oh, I've got no purpose.

01:49:35.504 --> 01:49:36.644
I don't have all of these things.

01:49:36.665 --> 01:49:41.464
Well, Jordan Peterson mentioned in one
of his podcasts about when he's advising

01:49:41.464 --> 01:49:46.174
some of these clients that have shut
down or they're not working or they're at

01:49:46.174 --> 01:49:48.634
home or whatever, he's like find a job.

01:49:49.655 --> 01:49:49.894
Right.

01:49:49.894 --> 01:49:52.684
So that purpose could be
simply as finding a job.

01:49:53.224 --> 01:49:53.554
Right.

01:49:53.615 --> 01:49:59.280
Um, I know when I first came back
from the UK, I took six months

01:49:59.280 --> 01:50:00.620
off to do all my fire courses.

01:50:00.670 --> 01:50:03.840
I had a savings and I could do
it, but at six months my dad said

01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:04.740
to me, he's like, you need a job.

01:50:05.250 --> 01:50:05.940
Like I need a job.

01:50:06.540 --> 01:50:11.520
And, um, I, cause it took another six
months to get hired and I had lined

01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:14.100
up to be an interview for ski patrol.

01:50:14.100 --> 01:50:17.700
And one of the, one of the Hills
here, uh, come in in the summer, it

01:50:17.700 --> 01:50:19.380
didn't, it ended up not working out.

01:50:19.410 --> 01:50:20.040
I remember this.

01:50:20.070 --> 01:50:20.460
Yeah.

01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:25.440
And I applied to be, um, OFE three
first data tenant at Burnaby city

01:50:25.950 --> 01:50:31.020
came for the interview and I said, um,
came very apparent in the interview.

01:50:31.020 --> 01:50:32.580
I wasn't there for first data attendance.

01:50:33.240 --> 01:50:34.650
I'm like, what's this interview for?

01:50:34.650 --> 01:50:36.270
They go labor on the blacktop career.

01:50:37.290 --> 01:50:38.640
And I'm like, what do you pay an hour?

01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:40.200
And this is like 2009.

01:50:40.210 --> 01:50:43.530
They're like 26, 50 or $28.

01:50:43.590 --> 01:50:43.950
Sure.

01:50:44.730 --> 01:50:45.360
I'm like, I'm in.

01:50:45.570 --> 01:50:45.840
Yep.

01:50:46.950 --> 01:50:49.080
And it actually helped me.

01:50:49.140 --> 01:50:54.180
Um, cause one of the interview
questions I had with, uh, The

01:50:54.180 --> 01:50:57.360
flanker for fire service was how
are you going to handle the snorty?

01:50:57.630 --> 01:51:00.960
You're a platoon Sergeant and the
British army and all this other stuff.

01:51:01.650 --> 01:51:06.750
And I said, well, if you look there
since I've been working on, uh, Burnaby

01:51:06.750 --> 01:51:10.860
city labor on the blacktop roads crew,
and when they said kid get in the

01:51:10.860 --> 01:51:15.240
back of the dump truck, shovel up the
rest of the blacktop, um, I did that.

01:51:16.080 --> 01:51:17.340
So I have no problem.

01:51:17.340 --> 01:51:21.060
You want me to look after seven other
firefighters in the hall as a probation?

01:51:21.090 --> 01:51:21.510
I got it.

01:51:21.510 --> 01:51:22.830
Cleaned toilets, anything else?

01:51:22.830 --> 01:51:23.100
Right.

01:51:23.130 --> 01:51:26.520
So it definitely set me up for success.

01:51:27.060 --> 01:51:31.290
Um, within the Vancouver fire
was filing that humbling job,

01:51:32.160 --> 01:51:33.750
um, and being the bottom guy.

01:51:34.320 --> 01:51:35.130
Yeah, no

01:51:35.510 --> 01:51:37.530
that's purpose putting the ego aside.

01:51:37.620 --> 01:51:38.850
You can put that ego aside.

01:51:39.450 --> 01:51:40.500
Ah, it doesn't pay enough.

01:51:40.500 --> 01:51:41.100
I don't want it.

01:51:43.720 --> 01:51:48.640
Well, we've been chatting
for almost two hours.

01:51:49.690 --> 01:51:51.580
So God's going to have to do some editing

01:51:51.580 --> 01:51:51.700
here.

01:51:53.260 --> 01:51:55.920
Big style part one part two.

01:51:56.080 --> 01:51:58.150
Is there anything we should
touch on before we wrap up?

01:51:59.860 --> 01:52:04.360
Well, I'm looking forward to whatever
meal Tiff's walking up, but yeah,

01:52:04.390 --> 01:52:08.650
that's breaking bread with our
friends is very important, right.

01:52:09.490 --> 01:52:10.060
The connection.

01:52:10.240 --> 01:52:17.740
But, um, yeah, I think Dean is hitting
home on Saturday, maybe back in August.

01:52:17.740 --> 01:52:18.160
We'll see,

01:52:19.090 --> 01:52:20.560
I got a Coldplay concept first.

01:52:20.590 --> 01:52:21.550
Not plugging copay.

01:52:22.875 --> 01:52:26.445
But a Coldplay and then I need to
check the dates and I want to come back

01:52:26.445 --> 01:52:26.685
out.

01:52:26.985 --> 01:52:30.945
Well, well, listen to the, uh, uh,
response we get from the listeners.

01:52:31.095 --> 01:52:35.685
And, uh, maybe when he come on back,
if a had a fun time, we can, uh,

01:52:35.745 --> 01:52:38.685
pick up where we left off and catch
up on the new adventures that we've

01:52:39.105 --> 01:52:40.695
had between now and then loads.

01:52:41.595 --> 01:52:42.075
Gentlemen.

01:52:42.105 --> 01:52:43.125
Thank you very much.

01:52:43.305 --> 01:52:43.455
Thank

01:52:43.455 --> 01:52:43.845
you for having.