WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.950 --> 00:00:06.960 Coming up on the WP minutes is 2024, the year of WordPress page builders. 00:00:07.410 --> 00:00:09.150 Let's find out right after this. 00:00:27.149 --> 00:00:31.945 Here on the WP minute, Eric asked, can Gutenberg and WordPress page builders. 00:00:31.945 --> 00:00:32.665 Co-exist. 00:00:33.025 --> 00:00:36.055 His debate has been raging ever since the Gutenberg project launched. 00:00:36.625 --> 00:00:38.635 I used to fall into the page. 00:00:38.635 --> 00:00:41.185 Builders will crush Gutenberg in everything camp. 00:00:41.575 --> 00:00:43.645 Ella mentor Devi beaver builder. 00:00:43.915 --> 00:00:47.185 They were just so far ahead in terms of features and flexibility. 00:00:47.725 --> 00:00:50.575 Meanwhile, it felt like Gutenberg was forced on us 00:00:50.575 --> 00:00:52.345 with no shot to lead the pack. 00:00:52.345 --> 00:00:54.445 I was just looking at my YouTube channel and I saw that 00:00:54.445 --> 00:00:56.005 I had actually made a video. 00:00:56.335 --> 00:01:00.265 Once on how to disable Gutenberg when we were in our disabled Gutenberg days. 00:01:00.715 --> 00:01:01.735 A few years ago. 00:01:02.395 --> 00:01:05.605 There's more advanced developer plugins like bricks that has all 00:01:05.635 --> 00:01:07.765 the same enthusiasm and momentum. 00:01:08.275 --> 00:01:11.455 I've seen in the space for the last 15 years, the best, most 00:01:11.455 --> 00:01:15.145 advanced, powerful, efficient tool you'll ever use for WordPress. 00:01:15.685 --> 00:01:17.245 I saw it with the thesis theme. 00:01:17.305 --> 00:01:19.015 I saw it with the page lions builder. 00:01:19.165 --> 00:01:20.905 I saw it with the Genesis framework. 00:01:21.055 --> 00:01:22.135 I saw it with Ella mentor. 00:01:22.735 --> 00:01:27.175 But with the introduction of 2024 theme and bringing the block insight 00:01:27.175 --> 00:01:29.335 editor together in a better paint job. 00:01:29.725 --> 00:01:33.085 I'm excited for the future of core WordPress experiences. 00:01:33.655 --> 00:01:36.205 The editor has come a long way to fall themes. 00:01:36.205 --> 00:01:41.725 Like 20, 24 are built for block blocks and they work great out of the box as well. 00:01:42.295 --> 00:01:46.765 And you can absolutely build full websites now without touching another page builder. 00:01:47.665 --> 00:01:51.715 As much as I try to restrict myself from posting hot takes on Twitter, I had to 00:01:51.715 --> 00:01:53.605 take to the welcoming social platform. 00:01:53.905 --> 00:01:58.195 To tweet out my current thinking about the new, exciting builders, like brakes and 00:01:58.195 --> 00:02:00.235 how this whole ecosystem comes together. 00:02:00.295 --> 00:02:02.335 Thanks for Eric for jogging. 00:02:02.725 --> 00:02:04.015 My memory around this stuff. 00:02:04.975 --> 00:02:08.185 When the argument for which page builder is better comes up. 00:02:08.515 --> 00:02:10.525 I think it's important to frame it like this. 00:02:11.095 --> 00:02:13.105 Block editor plus site editor. 00:02:13.315 --> 00:02:15.625 You call it Gutenberg just for this argument because we need to 00:02:15.625 --> 00:02:19.465 give it a product name is made for tens of millions of users. 00:02:19.465 --> 00:02:20.365 Maybe even hundreds. 00:02:21.175 --> 00:02:23.725 It's shipped with WordPress core after all, it's the 00:02:23.755 --> 00:02:25.585 default experience of WordPress. 00:02:25.585 --> 00:02:29.935 It needs to reach many, many, many millions of people. 00:02:30.895 --> 00:02:35.905 Elemental or divvy BeaverBuilder are made for millions of users that want 00:02:35.965 --> 00:02:37.885 more powerful building workflows. 00:02:38.455 --> 00:02:43.345 And it also solves that webmaster and user relationships. 00:02:43.405 --> 00:02:46.825 In other words, I'm a freelancer or an agency I'm going to build 00:02:46.825 --> 00:02:48.625 this for you and then hand it over. 00:02:48.625 --> 00:02:52.375 And if you want to customize it, use this powerful plugin that's associated with it. 00:02:52.945 --> 00:02:56.515 Bricks break dance are made for hundreds of thousands of users. 00:02:56.785 --> 00:02:59.155 Maybe even only tens of thousands of users. 00:02:59.155 --> 00:03:01.165 I don't know how big their customer pool is yet. 00:03:01.885 --> 00:03:05.095 But advanced developers and designers that required, uh, to 00:03:05.095 --> 00:03:06.655 build WordPress sites at scale. 00:03:07.075 --> 00:03:08.635 You know, you're, you're running an agency. 00:03:09.055 --> 00:03:13.285 You just don't want to do custom coding because that slows it down, but you 00:03:13.285 --> 00:03:17.935 need something much more powerful than element or BeaverBuilder and 00:03:17.935 --> 00:03:25.165 Devi, certainly many, uh, leaps pop, more powerful than core WordPress. 00:03:25.885 --> 00:03:29.155 So while WordPress itself has taken massive strides, we aren't. 00:03:29.725 --> 00:03:30.625 Quite fully. 00:03:30.955 --> 00:03:34.735 Uh, fully featured website builder just yet the ecosystems extensibility. 00:03:35.125 --> 00:03:35.905 It's still crucial. 00:03:35.905 --> 00:03:39.805 Like we still need these plugins, the debate of which one is better 00:03:39.805 --> 00:03:41.005 and which one should I use? 00:03:41.335 --> 00:03:42.805 It doesn't mean it's a zero sum game. 00:03:43.735 --> 00:03:46.975 I also think that these are, that these more advanced page builders 00:03:47.245 --> 00:03:49.735 are taking hold because WordPress. 00:03:50.075 --> 00:03:54.605 newbies from six years ago have leveled up instead of learning code. 00:03:55.115 --> 00:03:58.205 At the time they used Elementor as they started to get more 00:03:58.205 --> 00:04:01.925 familiar with WordPress and coding started tackling larger projects. 00:04:02.195 --> 00:04:07.775 They leveled out of a powerful builder and into a more advanced builder, like 00:04:07.805 --> 00:04:09.695 a breaks, or let's say break dance. 00:04:10.595 --> 00:04:13.715 What will be interesting to see is how much further advanced builders can 00:04:13.715 --> 00:04:17.465 push the envelope before they forced the user to go full circle and just 00:04:17.465 --> 00:04:19.355 bust out an IDE coding environment. 00:04:19.355 --> 00:04:23.585 Again, in other words, how much more powerful can this coding be? 00:04:23.705 --> 00:04:25.505 How much more time savings? 00:04:25.775 --> 00:04:28.955 Can we get when we're just like, at this point we might as well 00:04:28.955 --> 00:04:30.365 was coded from scratch anyway. 00:04:31.505 --> 00:04:34.115 Which brings me to the old argument, that page builders. 00:04:34.505 --> 00:04:35.855 Air quotes lock you in. 00:04:36.575 --> 00:04:41.075 Well, it doesn't relying on any on, uh, Gutenberg blocks patterns 00:04:41.075 --> 00:04:42.965 or plugins present a similar risk. 00:04:43.535 --> 00:04:46.595 Like I mentioned before, I've seen page builders and their high promises 00:04:46.595 --> 00:04:49.655 come and go in the WordPress space, something better and faster hits 00:04:49.655 --> 00:04:51.545 the mark market users flocked to it. 00:04:52.055 --> 00:04:56.075 But at the end of the day, it comes down to the user experience in meeting needs. 00:04:56.465 --> 00:04:59.855 Power users with demanding requirements will likely stick to their beaver 00:04:59.855 --> 00:05:01.775 builders and Ella mentors of the world. 00:05:02.435 --> 00:05:05.855 Average users will happily embrace the core WordPress experience. 00:05:06.275 --> 00:05:08.105 And the ecosystem that comes along with it. 00:05:08.675 --> 00:05:12.695 And then many advanced builders will seek through the outer boundaries 00:05:12.695 --> 00:05:14.525 to find the more advanced stuff. 00:05:14.705 --> 00:05:17.645 Again, bricks or break dance or whatever else comes along. 00:05:18.665 --> 00:05:20.885 I know what that array of choice. 00:05:21.305 --> 00:05:23.495 Perfectly represents the WordPress way. 00:05:24.305 --> 00:05:28.805 We can extend the software to suit our individual needs and preferences. 00:05:29.285 --> 00:05:32.345 Diehard page builder fans shouldn't feel pressured to give them up. 00:05:32.945 --> 00:05:34.655 Nor should Gutenberg evangelists. 00:05:35.315 --> 00:05:36.545 Need to compromise. 00:05:36.545 --> 00:05:38.765 And again, I'm using Gutenberg as a product name. 00:05:38.765 --> 00:05:39.725 I understand it's site. 00:05:40.295 --> 00:05:41.075 And block editor. 00:05:41.885 --> 00:05:42.605 The takeaway. 00:05:43.145 --> 00:05:46.595 WordPress by nature supports coexistence. 00:05:47.225 --> 00:05:49.865 And we'll certainly see page builders, usage, shrink a little bit. 00:05:50.795 --> 00:05:56.015 But as we close out on nearly 60% of the CMS market on the internet, according 00:05:56.015 --> 00:05:57.665 to a recent w three techs article. 00:05:58.535 --> 00:06:03.395 There's still remains enough room and diversity for this project to thrive. 00:06:03.395 --> 00:06:07.325 And now for some important links that you don't want to miss this week. 00:06:07.845 --> 00:06:10.365 Kevin, Gary tried building a layout with the WordPress block 00:06:10.365 --> 00:06:11.955 editor, but it didn't go so well. 00:06:12.165 --> 00:06:13.965 I'll link up his video in the show notes. 00:06:14.265 --> 00:06:18.075 Brian cords found the opportunity in Kevin's video to educate us 00:06:18.135 --> 00:06:21.315 on the block editor and what its capabilities truly are. 00:06:21.915 --> 00:06:26.265 The 2024 global sponsor ship has been announced for WordPress community 00:06:26.265 --> 00:06:29.685 programs, like word camps, new events and chapter meetup groups. 00:06:30.105 --> 00:06:37.365 The $145,000 top tier gold sponsors are automatic Jetpack and wordpress.com 00:06:37.425 --> 00:06:43.335 wherever they have to pay twice Bluehost, GoDaddy woo and newcomer, WP beginner. 00:06:44.205 --> 00:06:48.015 It seems like phase three collaboration might hit a bit of a speed bump. 00:06:48.045 --> 00:06:52.935 According to an update from Simon Dixon, citing quote real-time content. 00:06:52.935 --> 00:06:55.845 Collaboration is not a current user priority. 00:06:56.175 --> 00:06:59.835 Check out the make wordpress.org link in the show notes. 00:06:59.835 --> 00:07:04.035 And lastly, I interviewed Omni send CEO Redis Loris on the WP minute 00:07:04.065 --> 00:07:08.085 plus podcast about bootstrapping is email automation, SAS company. 00:07:08.445 --> 00:07:10.215 In the face of giant competition. 00:07:10.545 --> 00:07:13.995 Check out the WP minute plus in your favorite podcast app and be sure 00:07:13.995 --> 00:07:17.655 to subscribe, to follow along all of the great interviews over there.