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Ved kampe haft en gautier en Kisser Hoffman s et nej nej er en bekendt for et fælles stemme og en fræk for ikke voldelig og håbende er den og ser op med et andet founder og sige ingen jeg kan amme ego center indtil sagen indtil session dag mand tog v met og os en prisliste Wright jack worth packers stikord lauth ego kom ind på var grounding og endelig kan vi få os. 00:01:47:47 - 00:02:00:00 Speaker 1 Et a krav, som den henseende til behovet for andet end at findes, hvor der er et. 00:02:00:04 - 00:02:03:00 Speaker 1 Tøj. 00:02:03:00 - 00:02:09:40 Speaker 2 Okay. Hey, everyone. I'm Doctor Lucretia Holman, the author of No One is Self-made. 00:02:09:44 - 00:02:14:22 Speaker 1 And I am Gary Chambers, a community advocate and business owner here in Louisiana. 00:02:14:26 - 00:02:17:16 Speaker 2 Friend, you get some coffee, and you don't even like coffee. 00:02:17:19 - 00:02:18:06 Speaker 1 I got hot. 00:02:18:06 - 00:02:23:20 Speaker 2 Chocolate. Oh, is that what that is? Yes, ma'am. Oh, what are you talking about? You don't like coffee? Tell me the story. 00:02:23:22 - 00:02:48:09 Speaker 1 My mother, was a is a black coffee. No sugar, no cream girl. And for me, sipping her cups when I wasn't supposed to. The coffee never got better, and so I never got a taste for it, and, I just don't like it. And so, because I am someone who would have more sugar in my cup and then coffee, I decided I'd just leave it alone, you know? 00:02:48:09 - 00:02:51:06 Speaker 2 And I just like my coffee straight. No sugar, no cream. 00:02:51:15 - 00:02:52:15 Speaker 1 A strong woman. 00:02:52:16 - 00:02:54:35 Speaker 2 Absolutely. Have happy Black History Month on that note. 00:02:54:38 - 00:02:58:03 Speaker 1 Same to you, my friend. So, congratulations. 00:02:58:07 - 00:03:18:32 Speaker 2 Thank you, thank you. I've been writing this book as a full circle moment, but you and I have had a conversation around the climate of our country. Things feel very uneasy right now, and I think there is. This is a time for us to practice resistance. What does resistance look like to you now? 00:03:18:36 - 00:03:41:26 Speaker 1 I think resistance is being informed. In a climate where the world is so easily attempting to distract us through so many different, forms of information in our face every day to know the truth in this climate is important. I think to be informed of what is really going, what is the attempts at our community? 00:03:41:26 - 00:04:05:16 Speaker 1 What are the things that are being methodically done, while they're doing a flurry of things that they know won't work? What are the things that will work? And how do we fight those things? And I think it's going within your community. Right. Finding your tribe, finding how do you build, up on the people and the networks that you are around, whether you are an entrepreneur or a minister? 00:04:05:20 - 00:04:27:07 Speaker 1 Whether you are an advocate, whether you are somebody who's in a social club, right. If you just have a bike club of friends. Right. How does that bike club of friends become more active and intentional? Supporting black owned businesses, supporting people, in our tribe and our networks so that they become stronger and elevating diversity and equity while people are trying to diminish it. 00:04:27:11 - 00:04:48:18 Speaker 2 Absolutely. You know, I also think this chaos is intentional. And I think another form of resistance is resisting the chaos. Resisting all the things that keep us in a sense of unease and have us in a, in the squirrel cycle. I think we have to fight against that. I think we have to fight to make sure that our mindset is strong. 00:04:48:22 - 00:05:06:25 Speaker 2 You talk about, you know, what it looks like to be in community. I think right now is the time for us to understand the power is in our community and that we have the power and we can wield power to have the type of grounding that we need to resist this moment. But it's going to require us to be disciplined. 00:05:06:29 - 00:05:13:29 Speaker 2 It's going to be is going to require us to not be passive observers any longer. We can't wait for anybody to save us. 00:05:13:34 - 00:05:14:19 Speaker 1 They ain't coming. 00:05:14:20 - 00:05:33:29 Speaker 2 They're not coming. And we are the ones who. Yeah, we are the ones. And I know for many people trying to figure out what does that even look like? What does it look like to to be a leader at this time? What does it look like to convene community? Yeah. 00:05:33:30 - 00:05:57:35 Speaker 1 I'm currently, about to do some town halls around the state because I think that that's important. Right. How do we get just in the same room and to talk about what we feel or talk about what strategy looks like. Right. Because that looks different for every community. I think there are things that are unique, and then there are things that are similar for everyone, right? 00:05:57:35 - 00:06:17:25 Speaker 1 So if there's a black business ecosystem, it may be stronger in one community than in another. So that may be a hyper focus for one community, but it may not be hyper focused in a more rural area that may only have 1 or 2 black businesses. Right? How do you then look at what are the things for those communities to build out on and find their strength? 00:06:17:29 - 00:06:42:42 Speaker 1 What are we looking at towards the future in electoral politics? We know what didn't work. Are we willing to reckon with those conversations over the next few years? So that we don't end up in the same place? There's been a lot of chatter in a lot of different directions, but I think that the more we get together, whether we are, Kumbaya and today. 00:06:42:42 - 00:06:45:03 Speaker 1 Absolutely. Or having a little tension today. 00:06:45:05 - 00:06:46:15 Speaker 2 Right. 00:06:46:19 - 00:07:00:11 Speaker 1 That it will produce fruit. Yeah. You cannot get a harvest out of a soul. You won't work. And I think that too often we want something to pop up that we hadn't done any work yet. 00:07:00:15 - 00:07:01:17 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 00:07:01:21 - 00:07:17:02 Speaker 1 So for me that is like the core in it and listening. Right. I think these, these conversations are about hearing what do people want, what do they feel? Because I think sometimes it's not that people are not willing, they don't feel heard. 00:07:17:11 - 00:07:17:44 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 00:07:17:45 - 00:07:26:13 Speaker 1 And if I don't feel heard, why should I participate? Why should I gather? Why should I be included in something that doesn't make me feel included? 00:07:26:17 - 00:07:48:17 Speaker 2 Absolutely. You know, you said something about that tension when we gather. Sometimes I think we got that. We have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. We have to find the comfort in. We disagree on this thing, but just because we're sitting in a room and we may have a different mindset of how we should solve this problem, and we we've seen it in our community. 00:07:48:21 - 00:08:06:20 Speaker 2 Boycott or to not boycott, target. And that cause a big divide. But I want us to be able to sit and disagree. We're not a monolith as a people, and just because we disagree doesn't mean that we have to separate. I think we need to sit at a table and figure out what are our shared goals. 00:08:06:24 - 00:08:28:36 Speaker 2 What outcome do we want to have and how do we how do you get what you want? Gary. How do I get what I want? Or how do we come to a healthy compromise? But I don't think we should leave these rooms just because we start. Things get a little too tight and things get a little tense. I can only imagine the rooms, the private rooms, doing the Montgomery bus boycott, the things that we don't know about. 00:08:28:40 - 00:08:33:02 Speaker 2 I wonder how many times somebody stormed out of slammed the door. 00:08:33:06 - 00:08:57:08 Speaker 1 Or just cussed out up in the room, you know? Because that's a part of it. Yeah, that's the part we may not like. That's the part that we feel, is unnecessary. I even feel that sometimes we think that that's bad. Yeah. But we have a natural reaction in some environments. Some things excite us in ways that other things don't. 00:08:57:12 - 00:09:18:47 Speaker 1 And I think without that, sometimes you don't know the depth of what someone feels, right? You can communicate. I think this is wrong. Right. But when there's a level of emotion with that, does it make me pause immediately and say, okay, you you serious? Right. Well, why do you feel this way? How do we resolve this? 00:09:18:47 - 00:09:27:09 Speaker 1 Right? I think the question going into these rooms is an agreement going in of how we want to come out. Right, right. We want. 00:09:27:09 - 00:09:30:32 Speaker 2 An agreement that we're going to come out with something. 00:09:30:32 - 00:09:51:03 Speaker 1 Whatever that, whatever that, that, that that is the agreement. Right? If I'm saying that we're going to go in this together, we going to come out of this together. Whatever happens in here is going to happen. It needs to happen, and we can still grow from there. Teeth and tongue. Your teeth bite your tongue, right? But you don't want to take them out of your mouth, right? 00:09:51:05 - 00:10:13:42 Speaker 1 Okay. Right. So it's really an understanding that you got to figure out what is that balance? How do I navigate in order to allow you to feel what you need to feel, but us to move where we need to move. I think one of the things that our generation I saw, comment on, Van Laban posted a video yesterday. 00:10:13:46 - 00:10:16:41 Speaker 1 He was talking about, 00:10:16:45 - 00:10:17:43 Speaker 2 This your home town. 00:10:17:43 - 00:10:48:17 Speaker 1 Boundary is he was he was talking about how, he didn't agree. When people say, we are not our ancestors, right? In in essence, we're not going to take what other folks took. Right? And the truth is, I wonder sometimes, are we willing to do. Are we willing to give the folks did right. Yeah. Because there was a level of commitment, I think, because there was a level of shared, struggle. 00:10:48:29 - 00:11:06:29 Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think sometimes today, because some of us have advanced a little bit, or because we can detach from the reality that we think that that struggle is not the same. The one thing I know this climbing does is make a lot of folks realize you still black? 00:11:06:30 - 00:11:29:05 Speaker 2 Absolutely. But you speak on. I think that's the that's the Achilles heel of privilege. You start to think that the world in a bubble that you live in, they're so isolated. And this privilege that you live in that this is not everybody's lived experience. And I think what happens, we don't want to lose our little bubble, our protective bubble. 00:11:29:17 - 00:11:43:48 Speaker 2 But you have to step outside of your bubble to understand that there is something larger, something more prevailing that is happening. But it takes our generation, you know, when you when we've heard, we've all heard, you know, we're not our ancestors. I think it's so disrespectful. 00:11:43:49 - 00:11:44:25 Speaker 1 It is. 00:11:44:28 - 00:12:07:36 Speaker 2 It is so disrespectful. We would never fathom what it took to have that level of resistance, to go sit at a counter and to know that you're going to be dragged out, that you're going to be spat on, that you're going to be bludgeoned, and no one was going to protect you. 00:12:07:40 - 00:12:33:37 Speaker 1 Because you knew this was the way to force them to see our issue. Right. I think that people think that black folk didn't fight. Absolutely. And you don't know how many black folks got killed for fighting for or fighting, right? They don't tell the stories of people who were black men who went to the door of a white man who wouldn't pay their family and didn't get to go home. 00:12:33:41 - 00:13:01:08 Speaker 1 Because I did go to ask and see about my people. I did go challenge this. You don't hear those stories because we haven't read enough of those books. Yeah. And I think that's why it's so important to do what you're doing now, because it helps to paint the picture of where we are so that the next generation can see and understand how we move from moment to moment, from cycle to cycle as a people. 00:13:01:12 - 00:13:15:22 Speaker 1 Borrowing from the previous generation and enhancing that. With the tools at our disposal, I think, is how we overcome. We we focus so much on, paper now. 00:13:15:26 - 00:13:15:43 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:13:15:45 - 00:13:19:21 Speaker 1 That I think that we haven't got enough clarity on community. 00:13:19:25 - 00:13:43:30 Speaker 2 Yeah. I think is is greed right? Is greed and wanting to be accepted and wanting to have an influence? All these things are distractions and a a sense of humanity has been lost because we're just chasing the money, chasing a house, chasing the car, chasing the the appearance that we're doing to get in a picture with another person. 00:13:43:42 - 00:14:11:06 Speaker 2 These things are hurting us. And I think it's a sense that our consciousness, that's what we have to take back. There was a collective consciousness that happened for our ancestors. They went somewhere in their mind. And I think to know that your life, you are putting your life in danger. But there is a place that they went to, and I don't know if it was like an out of body thing, but they were there because they were trying to get us where we are. 00:14:11:10 - 00:14:30:28 Speaker 2 I wonder, I wonder if we have that intestinal fortitude in our generation to go somewhere in our mind and if if it if it makes us lose something, lose money, lose privilege, lose status, we lose it. 00:14:30:32 - 00:14:56:42 Speaker 1 I think that there are folks who are in their end of the curve. And what I mean by that is, as those challenges arise, they will. I don't think we have been pressed in that way. I agree. I think this moment we will be and those folks who have that level of commitment will, I think it will also require us to be much more creative than we probably have in the past. 00:14:56:46 - 00:15:31:37 Speaker 1 But that insulating ourselves with each other in a way that allows us to protect and build, I think is something we need to be very strategic about, very mindful about, very intentional about. Because if if I don't take care of my own people, I can't expect nobody else to. And I think that, when we look at our cities, whether you're looking at New Orleans, whether you're looking at Atlanta, whether you're looking at Baton Rouge, the burbs are fine, but the city is ours. 00:15:31:42 - 00:15:32:28 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 00:15:32:31 - 00:16:05:49 Speaker 1 And we need to look at that and own that. We need to look at how much ownership are we having? Those are the conversations I feel like, our generation needs an element of the economic with the resistance, because they want to ensure that we never end up here again, right. I think that to me, the only way to liberate ourselves is to be very intentional about the policies and the people that we put in place and very strategic about the economic impact we intend to do with each other. 00:16:06:03 - 00:16:32:48 Speaker 1 If we do those two things together, I think we can get more people to the table that are willing to fight like hell all the way, because the the collective win for them, was there, right? The civil rights, their, right to vote. That was the win for that moment. So there was a shared goal. We have to identify what our our shared goal in this moment. 00:16:33:02 - 00:16:33:15 Speaker 2 So. 00:16:33:15 - 00:16:47:24 Speaker 1 That we can all be pulling in the same direction. I think that we've been hearing some frustration and saying that that meant that that was an alignment. And that really means that, no. What does the collective want and how do we get there? Right. 00:16:47:28 - 00:17:12:46 Speaker 2 Is and we have to decide what is the win, what is it that we want. And the wants will be different. The wants of my family in Mississippi looks different than my wants of my family in, in Atlanta. And I'm sure the wants of New Orleans looks different than it wants a Baton Rouge. I think we have to figure out what is the thing when we say we're fighting for what is it that we're fighting for? 00:17:13:00 - 00:17:34:40 Speaker 2 And I think as you go around and you convene and have your town halls, I think that should be one of the questions. What is it that we want? And when we get that, then what happens? I was sitting at dinner, last week with the former mayor, Shirley Franklin, former mayor of Atlanta, and we were having this beautiful conversation with other leaders. 00:17:34:40 - 00:17:40:17 Speaker 2 And she said that I thought that we did all the work to not be back here again. 00:17:41:01 - 00:17:49:09 Speaker 2 But, you know, Gary. What? Something else she said after that, you just let me on fire. She said, but if we have to work again, I'm ready. 00:17:49:13 - 00:17:59:28 Speaker 1 You know, I think one of the things that we will discover in this moment is, do we have staying power? 00:17:59:30 - 00:18:02:18 Speaker 2 That's I think that's the discipline that I speak of. 00:18:02:20 - 00:18:03:35 Speaker 1 You know, because I think. 00:18:03:39 - 00:18:04:41 Speaker 2 Committed to it. 00:18:04:41 - 00:18:29:17 Speaker 1 I think people are willing to make the sacrifice because 2020 showed us that people will do what is uncomfortable. People will say what is uncomfortable in order in a moment. Right. Yeah. But did we hold the line right, like we needed to? And can we be honest with ourselves without taking that as, an infinite criticism? Right? 00:18:29:18 - 00:18:38:25 Speaker 1 Right. It's a criticism. It's a critique, but it isn't infinite in like, the the end all be all of who we are. But if we don't recognize it, how do we fix it? 00:18:38:32 - 00:18:45:35 Speaker 2 Yes. And holding the line means that you lose convenience. Are we ready to lose some of those conveniences. 00:18:45:36 - 00:19:18:45 Speaker 1 You know I think I have been blessed long enough to be long enough. Right. That I did not, have that same struggle with sacrifice. So I think that some things for me were easier because I didn't have to make the same financial decisions. Right. But as I've grown and had to make, more opportunity for myself, I've known, I've learned like, oh, maybe, maybe if I was in this position, I would have thought about that a little differently. 00:19:19:00 - 00:19:21:45 Speaker 1 And it's given me the ability to have grace towards people. 00:19:21:45 - 00:19:22:36 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 00:19:22:40 - 00:19:38:19 Speaker 1 I think that's important in this moment. Yes. If you understand that, you know, what we present is truth may be true, but how long it takes me to get there, right? Determine is determined sometimes by whether or not we're willing to be gracious with each other. 00:19:38:19 - 00:20:02:12 Speaker 2 Yeah, right. But that's the that's the word is grace. If even when we disagree, give each other grace because we come at life through our roots, we have not all had the same lived experiences. And you also have the respect that everyone does not have the level of confidence or fearlessness. Some people see you, Gary, and you make them stronger. 00:20:02:16 - 00:20:17:40 Speaker 2 They have to like. It's like working out at the gym. You get somebody in front of you who just going to heart you. You start catch a new rhythm. I think what we have to understand is that some people do not come in a world equipped to be a fighter, but they learn how to be a fight about watching other people. 00:20:17:49 - 00:20:21:38 Speaker 1 I think the other thing in that is that we don't all have to be fight. 00:20:21:40 - 00:20:24:33 Speaker 2 We don't all have to be fighters. We don't all have to do the same thing. 00:20:24:42 - 00:20:26:08 Speaker 1 All have to do the same. 00:20:26:10 - 00:20:26:37 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 00:20:26:39 - 00:20:57:32 Speaker 1 I wish so deeply that we understood that everybody has a role. Absolutely. And that if, if, if your role is entrepreneurship and business, right, that I should listen to you as a subject matter expert for what is happening in that area and how we best serve that area. When we talk about public policy, we should listen to the people who are the subject matter experts that you may have some ideas, some perspectives, some strategy that can enhance what whichever group says. 00:20:57:42 - 00:21:08:02 Speaker 1 But I think that when we recognize that she has a role, he has a role and let people do what they are good at, that's building an ecosystem, that is building. 00:21:08:02 - 00:21:09:17 Speaker 2 Community as community. 00:21:09:17 - 00:21:33:39 Speaker 1 You know, it's end. It is the policing and the micromanaging of other people's jobs that I think is what keeps us in so much conflict that, if you will, focused on how you're supposed to show up and doing that every day, you don't necessarily need to nudge this person every, every step of the way, because like you said, about people being challenged to work out harder, they'll also be challenged to like, navigate with more integrity. 00:21:33:39 - 00:21:40:12 Speaker 1 Because if I'm around these folks and they keep showing up this way, I got to figure out, how do I show up this way? 00:21:40:16 - 00:22:01:05 Speaker 2 But in in in all of that though, we also can't police each other's lanes and we can't decide that oh she's good at it. So she's the only one that can do it. Nobody else can come. I think there's a sense of exclusion that we create in our community that's harmful to us as well. Just because you don't know a person doesn't mean that person person's not qualified for a thing. 00:22:01:09 - 00:22:18:24 Speaker 2 So we so we have to get outside of our friend groups because we've seen the same people get called over and over and over again. You and I have had these conversations a lot. Just because it's the same person getting a call doesn't mean that they're more people that can get into that line, and these people can work together. 00:22:18:24 - 00:22:20:42 Speaker 2 So I think we have to open ourselves. 00:22:20:46 - 00:22:32:38 Speaker 1 You know, I think if we learned something from these last few elections is that, what we have tried was not work. 00:22:32:40 - 00:22:33:28 Speaker 2 It's not working. 00:22:33:29 - 00:22:56:08 Speaker 1 So we must be willing to bring in new voices, new people, new ideas, new strategies. I keep harping on the word strategy because I think we I get frustrated that sometimes I feel like we're just not being strategic. Yeah, it is not that we don't have good ideas. It is not that we are not, leaning in the right direction, but are we being thoughtful about each move? 00:22:56:10 - 00:23:33:20 Speaker 1 You know, and I can say this as somebody who's been an advocate that experienced a lot in public, right? I said a lot of things because I was informed and I was truthful about what was taking place. Right. But was my approach always the most strategic? I can reflect and say, no. Yeah, right. That's leadership because there are things that now when you get relationship, you pick up the phone and you figure out, how can I avoid this being a crisis in my community? 00:23:33:24 - 00:23:44:19 Speaker 1 So sometimes people may say, this person is less vocal today because maybe they're being strategic today. Everybody who won't talk. And that's okay. Right? Okay, I will say. 00:23:44:23 - 00:23:49:05 Speaker 2 And everybody who's talking is not right. 00:23:49:09 - 00:23:54:28 Speaker 1 And just let that make the rest of the. 00:23:54:32 - 00:24:19:21 Speaker 2 But just but not everybody who's not talking does not mean that they don't have something to say, and that they're not thinking about something that they're not planning about, but planning things. I call these people observers, and it is a gift. And being able to be an observer, to sit at a table and watch everybody around the table, listen and then be able at the end of that meeting, you have discern the who's in the who or not. 00:24:19:25 - 00:24:31:11 Speaker 2 And I think that power of knowing when to speak, when not to speak is a level of mental strength that we don't give people enough credit for. 00:24:31:15 - 00:25:11:07 Speaker 1 I served on a board with an older sister who, every time we had a meeting, she read every piece of paper that those folks gave us and if you needed to know something, you just. If you ain't informed, she got to ask and she's ready. Okay. She didn't talk a lot in meetings. Yeah, but prior to the meetings, there was always a lot of conversation where we were understanding what we were going to do in the room after the meeting, there was always some conversation about how are we going to navigate the next time we in the room. 00:25:11:17 - 00:25:34:19 Speaker 1 But what helped us was a little sister who don't say much in the room, but she got all the information. She's read every person's bio that came in this door to background their resume. She knows what they're coming in here to talk to us about, and she read any body language while talking to us. So while you may be hyped up feeling the certain things. 00:25:34:19 - 00:25:35:36 Speaker 1 She didn't read the whole room. 00:25:35:40 - 00:25:36:29 Speaker 2 Yes. 00:25:36:33 - 00:25:54:42 Speaker 1 To see who are going to vote with you the next time. Who's not supportive of this. So you can go have lunch with them next week so you can make them supportive by whatever means that is, right? I don't think that we are being thoughtful in that way about everybody's wrong. Because if this sisters talk and easy listening. 00:25:54:44 - 00:26:26:25 Speaker 2 And she listening and she listening and looking at that particular that woman, she is often likely overlooked because we have her in every community. We we have a her in Atlanta. When we start thinking about building an all star team in cities and towns, in rural areas and urban areas, we need to start thinking about how to build a all star team, to have a heart, how the person that would get up there and speak all the time. 00:26:26:25 - 00:26:43:21 Speaker 2 A person is going to keep immaculate notes, because in order for us to be able to build a community that we know that we must have right now is going to take people with different strengths, different gifts, and people who can recognize what their weaknesses are. But this is a time for for community. 00:26:43:25 - 00:26:50:08 Speaker 1 I agree. So what are your hopes in this moment? 00:26:50:10 - 00:27:31:27 Speaker 2 Yeah. I will tell you this. So motivated by this moment, I am motivated because I know who we are, and I know who we are. I also know that the strength of our ancestors is the is was bracing us for this moment. So what I'm hopeful is that we that we recognize that power that we have the, the stamina to see it through and that we have the conviction that just because it may not be operating the way that you want it to, doesn't mean it's not operating. 00:27:31:31 - 00:27:59:06 Speaker 2 So I'm hoping that we have patience. And patience is is patience takes wisdom to know that the outcome is not like this time that we're in now with things are so quick. Microwave generation, instant gratification. What we are experiencing now did not happen quickly. This was a time over time of meeting at the meeting, at the meeting, refining, at the refining, at the refining. 00:27:59:10 - 00:28:20:18 Speaker 2 Our response to this is going to take that level of diligence. And what, what I'm hopeful hopeful for is that we're we're willing every day to be committed to what this time is calling us to respond to. And also, I hope we know the hope is that it is a privilege to ask the call. What about you? 00:28:20:22 - 00:28:23:30 Speaker 1 I am hopeful that more of us will see. 00:28:25:15 - 00:28:55:20 Speaker 1 I think that, a lot of us have had blinders on for whatever reason. Yeah. This climate allows more people to take the glasses off and look around. I am hopeful that on the other side of this, we have stronger communities, stronger businesses, stronger relationships that, the story that we tell is the next great renaissance for black America. 00:28:55:24 - 00:29:20:46 Speaker 1 That this dip that we see today, Sean King gave this speech years ago, and he talked about the dips and rises in history. And what he was saying is, after every great moment comes a dip, comes day. The, and he was illuminating how Obama was a great moment. And now we're in a dip. But what we do in this dip, I think, matters. 00:29:20:46 - 00:29:56:01 Speaker 1 And I'm hopeful, that we are going to do what's right because there are people who are speaking on these subjects now that, you probably never would have expected to be leaning in. I saw people finding ways to, creatively get involved in the conversations. Who are comedians who are, entertainers who have never talked about politics before or, never really talked about any of these things, but are now finding out how do I tip my toe in this water? 00:29:56:05 - 00:30:02:00 Speaker 1 Because it matters. And recognizing that we all have a role to play in this moment and to play it. 00:30:02:04 - 00:30:11:49 Speaker 2 Absolutely. But I think what we both know that when we when we participate intentionally, we will get the outcomes that we want. 00:30:12:00 - 00:30:13:35 Speaker 1 We will. 00:30:13:39 - 00:30:16:33 Speaker 2 Thank you, my friend. Absolutely. Thank you. 00:30:16:33 - 00:30:44:08 Speaker 1 Thank you for spending time with us and for being a part of the Baldwin Co community. Every listen helps to keep the conversation alive. So thank you for listening. 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