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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Good morning, there it is morning. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>the whole night through. Good morning, good morning to.

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<v Speaker 2>You, and and there you go. Yes, man, Hey, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way I kicked it off, that's a Tuesday. Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't get much better.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey. We had a small group at our house because

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<v Speaker 1>we're running our small group coinciding with our series you

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<v Speaker 1>know What Heritage and there I said, maybe my wife

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<v Speaker 1>said it, but somebody said, hey, how many you listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bible guys? And I was very humbled that

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<v Speaker 1>out of like the eighteen people that are in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, they're all college age, right, there

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<v Speaker 1>was like seven of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well all the cool college kids are listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible guys. Yeah and I both know.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, but anyway, but nobody had said something about they

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<v Speaker 1>sing good morning. And so because I was in my house,

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<v Speaker 1>I went ahead and pulled up the Singing in the

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<v Speaker 1>Rain clip where they actually Debbie Reynolds sings good morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where I got it from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I met, well half of the song, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the first half, because you know, after that it gets

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like, unless.

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<v Speaker 2>You love singing in the ring, it's just a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot. So anyway, uh, but they were literally

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<v Speaker 1>blown away because not a single person other than one

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<v Speaker 1>of them and my kids had seen singing in the ring.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, okay, well good well, congratulations to that group.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a banger group. Now that sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun, right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So hey, so we are in the middle of this

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<v Speaker 1>of a series this week called Stump.

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<v Speaker 2>The pastor Yes. This is an awesome one, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we are going through questions that people have written in.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're saying every episode that if you would like

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<v Speaker 1>to send in a question for us to consider it

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, please email us at info at the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible guys dot com or comment on a clip, YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>or anything else that you know you can message us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So that's awesome, dude, Yeah, pretty cool. So what's

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<v Speaker 2>the big question today?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here is the first question. Let's tackle two. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to tackle two, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and they're both they're both along the lines of heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they kind of go together. So here's the question.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, by Melissa jh I Melissa Jay. She says,

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<v Speaker 1>you often comment, when I get to Heaven, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to ask this question or talk to this person that

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<v Speaker 1>you may or may not have known here on earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Where in the Bible does it say all our questions

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<v Speaker 1>will be answered or we'll be able to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>anyone we want. That's a great question. Yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>so do you do? You want me to tackle it?

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, you want to try, Okah, go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing. It doesn't say any of those things. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't say we'll be able to ask any question

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<v Speaker 1>we want.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't say the words when you get to heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be able to sit down and ask any question

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<v Speaker 2>you want, or talk to anybody you want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you. No, it does not say those words. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't say that that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>However, there are indications that we'll be able to find

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<v Speaker 1>people and talk with them, right. So, for instance, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very reminded of the rich Man and Lazarus.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it says in Hades, where he was in tour.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Luke, chapter sixteen, verse number nineteen. It says

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<v Speaker 1>in Hades where he was in torment. He looked up

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<v Speaker 1>and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side.

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<v Speaker 1>Father Abraham, he called out, have pity on me, for

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in agony in this fire. And so why this

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<v Speaker 1>matters is both the rich Men and Lazarus retain their names, memories,

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<v Speaker 1>and awareness, which is sort of like the next question

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<v Speaker 1>actually of their earthly lives. And the rich man even

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<v Speaker 1>remembers his family and asks them to be warned, showing

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<v Speaker 1>continuity of personal memory after death. So this is not

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<v Speaker 1>only a scripture that supports we have memories, but it

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<v Speaker 1>also supports questions. Right, So he's asking Abraham a question,

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<v Speaker 1>and then also, uh, isn't there another there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>a description revelation that talks about conversations with people who

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<v Speaker 1>remember how they.

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<v Speaker 2>Died and how Yeah, the martyrs, Yes, so the martyrs remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me let me I just just pulled this up

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<v Speaker 2>a second ago. Let me let me find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So there's there's questions about that, which means means

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<v Speaker 1>that if we find if we roam heaven, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it may take us a while, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>just say eventually we run into you know, the apostle John.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. You know, if he remembers in the Book of

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<v Speaker 1>Revelation how he dies, then that must mean that he

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<v Speaker 1>retains memories to such a degree you can say, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a question about the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm forgetting the chapter in Revelation. But the martyrs are

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<v Speaker 2>around the throne of God, and they're conscious of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they were martyred. They remember the.

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<v Speaker 1>Relations thins relations six nine through ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw under the alter of the souls of those

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<v Speaker 1>who had been slain because of the word of God.

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<v Speaker 1>They called out in a loud voice, how long Sovereign Lord,

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<v Speaker 1>Holly and True until you judge the inhabitants of the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it goes on after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it goes on. And so they're conscious of

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that, you know, there's bad things happening on

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<v Speaker 2>earth and that they were martyred. So here's what I

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<v Speaker 2>would say this question specifically, she's asking, how do we

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<v Speaker 2>know that all of our questions will be answered? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>That's really the thing. I think The next question is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more about our what kind of consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>do we have? What are we aware of? Who are

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<v Speaker 2>we aware of in heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>But I answer them at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but this one is being asked, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we know? All of our questions will be answered?

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<v Speaker 2>And in First Corinthians, chapter thirteen, Paul says, now we

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<v Speaker 2>see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror. But

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<v Speaker 2>then we will see everything with perfect clarity. Right. All

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<v Speaker 2>that I know now is partial and then complete. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I, and he's talking just as a Christian follower

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus will know everything completely, just as God now

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<v Speaker 2>knows me completely. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, So he says

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<v Speaker 2>that right now I only know partial. I only know

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<v Speaker 2>what the Bible says. But I don't know everything I

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<v Speaker 2>know the mind of God. I don't know how he

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<v Speaker 2>does what he does, or why he does what he does.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know all the facts and the details. But

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<v Speaker 2>he says, but then when I get to have an

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<v Speaker 2>it'll all make sense and I'll know everything completely.

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<v Speaker 1>So you and I memorize it, and now I know

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<v Speaker 1>in part. Then I shall know fully even as I

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<v Speaker 1>am fully known. Yeah. So Paul teaches that our knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>will be expanded, not erased, and we will know fully,

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<v Speaker 1>implying that memory and understanding will be perfected, not forgotten,

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<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, to be able to ask the questions

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<v Speaker 1>to get them answered. It stands the reason, right and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that. But like, isn't there isn't there an indication?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't Jesus say it is not yet? Didn't he say, goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going by memory here?

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<v Speaker 1>But didn't he say it is not for for yet?

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<v Speaker 1>For what am I thinking here? It is not meant

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<v Speaker 1>for you to know yet, right, the Kingdom of Heaven,

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<v Speaker 1>the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven, sure, right, indicating

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<v Speaker 1>that one day you will right right, which which again

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<v Speaker 1>is more knowledge about the Kingdom of Heaven. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that we'll be able to interact with others, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that we'll know their identities. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>we will have our memories, which means if we have

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<v Speaker 1>our memories, then hopefully I'll retain some of my same curiosities.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, So I mean that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Really what we're talking about. We're talking about like, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering about something here on the earth, will I

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<v Speaker 1>still will it not matter? Or will I still have

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<v Speaker 1>my same curiosities?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? And Andrea Bee asks a similar question, So, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea B, Hi Andrew B. And she asks, will we

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<v Speaker 2>have knowledge of our life on earth and our relationships

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<v Speaker 2>after we are gone?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think she means after we go to heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then she says, or is our memory just wiped? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So the here's what we know at the Mountain of

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<v Speaker 2>Transfiguration Matthew, Chapter seventeen, Jesus goes up on the mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one, and he's got Peter, James and

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<v Speaker 2>John with him, and Moses and Elijah come and are

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<v Speaker 2>talking with Jesus, and Peter, James, and John know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>who each person is, even though they never met Moses

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<v Speaker 2>or Elijah. Moses died two thousand years before they were alive,

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<v Speaker 2>or a thousand years, thousand years before they were alive. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more than that. Two thousand years before they died,

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<v Speaker 2>before their life. Elijah was fifteen hundred years before they

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<v Speaker 2>were alive. Right, But they recognize these two. They know, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>that's Moses and that's Elijah. And so in the spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>realm there seems to be this perfect knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>And how would they know that unless they were given

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's what I'm saying they were. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of transfiguration and this was a spiritual environment on

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<v Speaker 2>earth in the moment, I think they stepped into the

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual realm, right. I don't know that. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>Elijah and Moses showed up physically with blood and bones

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<v Speaker 2>and muscles, right. I think it was that Jesus walks

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<v Speaker 2>into the spiritual That's why when he walks back out

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<v Speaker 2>he's glowing. Right. Yeah, So I think that God just

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<v Speaker 2>God opened their eyes to be able to see the spiritual.

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<v Speaker 2>Very similar to when Elijah's servant can't see and he's

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<v Speaker 2>all afraid that they're going to get wiped out by

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<v Speaker 2>the army, and Elijah says, if you could see what I

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<v Speaker 2>could see, We're surrounded by all these people. God show him, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he sees all these fiery tarts all around them.

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<v Speaker 2>God's protecting them in the moment. He gave him a

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<v Speaker 2>glimpse of what was spiritual. I think that's what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>for them. Only this is Jesus in his spiritual form

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<v Speaker 2>with Moses and Elijah.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure that I have ever thought that it wasn't a physical,

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<v Speaker 1>earthly physical Elijah and earthly physical.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think what I'm trying to say is this

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<v Speaker 2>was blended the spiritual physical in a way that they

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<v Speaker 2>never saw the spiritual because that clearly Peter, James and

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<v Speaker 2>John were in their physical body, Jesus was in his

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<v Speaker 2>physical body, yeah right, But I don't think that was

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<v Speaker 2>the focus of Moses and Elijah, whether they had a

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<v Speaker 2>physical body in the moment or not. What these guys

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<v Speaker 1>But it is possible, I believe that Adam and Eve

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Garden of Eden exactly. So you did God, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but are they in heaven? Now we've talked about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So if so, if so, if Peter, James and John

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<v Speaker 1>they see Moses Elijah, but they could have perhaps seen other.

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<v Speaker 2>Things, yeah, or that the spiritual realm came to them.

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<v Speaker 2>feast right and everybody's feasting and celebrating together. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>humans today. They're sitting around a great feast, they're celebrating Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible says, so, uh, there's there's Basically, I think

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<v Speaker 2>And we've talked about this before. But so Jesus said,

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<v Speaker 2>opened up his eyes, lifted up, his eyes called out

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<v Speaker 2>to Abraham. So you have paradise and hell nearer, then,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible says at Jesus. During Jesus' time in the tomb,

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<v Speaker 2>Corinthian says, he leads captivity captive, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>theologians believe that means he took then those that were

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<v Speaker 2>I go and prepare a place for you. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>we think of is heaven. In my father's house. There's

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<v Speaker 2>many rooms right now, John fifteen, Right right, we think

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<v Speaker 2>and when I'm going to come back and get you

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<v Speaker 2>where I am. But then when it's all done, you

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<v Speaker 2>get to the end of the Book of Revelation, Book

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<v Speaker 2>a Revelation says that God finally destroys the heaven and

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<v Speaker 2>the earth, and everything is done. While there's this great

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<v Speaker 2>the great White Throne judgment. Everybody's going to stand before

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<v Speaker 2>God in that moment. And then when that's all done,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible says, he said, behold, I make everything new.

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<v Speaker 2>Lookie makes a new Heaven and a new Earth. When

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, I'm going to be with them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I will be there. God, they will be my people. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>and describes there'll be no more tears, There'll be no

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<v Speaker 2>more disease, There'll be nothing. And it says that the

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<v Speaker 2>new Jerusalem comes down to Earth, and this new Jerusalem

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<v Speaker 2>is fifteen hundred miles cubed, fourteen hundred, fourteen hundred miles high,

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen hundred miles wide, fourteen hundred miles deep. And this

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<v Speaker 2>city that comes down, this new Jerusalem that comes down

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<v Speaker 2>to the new planet Earth that God makes. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the place Jesus said I'm going to make for you, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the place you and I think of as heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>But God's plan is to meld. Then the spiritual, this

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<v Speaker 2>And then he's taking us back to what He always

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<v Speaker 2>this perpetual communion with Him and full on human society

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<v Speaker 2>the way it was supposed to be. So the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>describes that new city, that new Jerusalem, has twelve gates

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<v Speaker 2>and commerce coming in and out. There's kingdoms and rulers,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's food, and there's animals, and there's all that.

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<v Speaker 2>in in the Garden of Eden that sin broke, God

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<v Speaker 2>brings it back. And now just as Adam and Eve

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<v Speaker 2>were flesh, we will be able to do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We live both in the spiritual realm and the spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>realm combined. What died when we died was the spirit

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<v Speaker 2>side of us, right when we died in sin. Even

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<v Speaker 2>then resurrects the spirit side of us and in eternity,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have the ability to live both in the physical

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<v Speaker 2>and spiritual. That's what that is. So these questions, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to know people, You're going to know your name,

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to know events, You're going to know a

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<v Speaker 2>those things. But God's going to wipe every tear from

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<v Speaker 2>our eyes. We're not going to have grief over what

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<v Speaker 2>we experienced on Earth. It's going to be gratitude and

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you this question. So it says

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<v Speaker 1>answering your questions in heaven. So when you go to heaven,

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<v Speaker 1>are there any questions off the top of your head

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<v Speaker 1>that you think? Man, I'm gonna definitely ask.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we've said that so many times, haven't we have we? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we've said that on the thing. Hey, when I get

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, just in passing yea, yeah, yeah, gee, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Yeah, but off the top of your head

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<v Speaker 1>now without reading a passage in the moment, so I'll

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<v Speaker 1>throw out one. Okay, explain to me how dinosaurs were

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<v Speaker 1>on the arc? Like, what's the timeline. Right, So we

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<v Speaker 1>know that dinosaurs, by the way, existed with mankind. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So Joe talks about Leviathan. So yeah, I believe that dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way could have been on the arc because

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<v Speaker 1>there could have been baby dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, yeah, in egg form, baby form something. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, so you'd ask God that question. I would

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<v Speaker 2>ask that's one of them. Yeah. I think I've got

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's the purpose of him saying listen,

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<v Speaker 2>God's perspective and not ours. I've used this illustration before.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was a kid, you know, we didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>we were together when I wake up in the morn

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<v Speaker 2>moent and we're like, all right, Jeff, get you close

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<v Speaker 2>She'd have a hoop. You ever watch somebody do cross ditch,

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<v Speaker 2>She'd make these beautiful, beautiful things. She frame them sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>at all, right, very very little sense. I could start

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<v Speaker 2>it was just all threads hanging down. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 2>From my perspective, there was kind of a vague awareness

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<v Speaker 2>the colors and things, but on her side, I could

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<v Speaker 2>see it. I think that's going to happen for us

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<v Speaker 2>is right now you and I are kaive in the

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<v Speaker 2>But in eternity will be in God's perspective. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I think it all makes so much more sense. Right

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<v Speaker 2>now we live a life that's built around us and

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<v Speaker 2>God's big picture that he's He's doing and the and

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<v Speaker 2>well we'll see the whole story. Have you ever done

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<v Speaker 2>any of those things? Have you ever read a book

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<v Speaker 1>Well, a lot of movies do that. Yeah, movies will

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<v Speaker 1>do that, right, Yeah, it'll start with the end in mind.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the movie? Oh, oh, yesterday. I got home

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<v Speaker 2>late last night, and Jenna also got home late from work,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter, and so her boyfriend was over, her fiance

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<v Speaker 2>on the couch and Jenna was like, oh, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>watched the cartoon Mega mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So she wanted to watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's animated film, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Jenna, Yeah, and John goes, okay, whatever this is. This

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, whatever you want to watch is fine

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to going to me, Hey, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go downstairs watch a fight? Right, so our football game.

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<v Speaker 2>So she she turns it on and it starts off

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<v Speaker 2>with the character Mega mind talking about some surprising things,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you realize he's falling to his death, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then just before something bad happens, then it cuts

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<v Speaker 2>to the beginning of the story where he's being born. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So they and this is kind of how it's happening

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<v Speaker 2>what all this is about. But in that at that

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<v Speaker 2>point then God's going to go back and we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>the whole story, just just like those movies. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>a great it's a great movie feature or tool to

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Bless you, Chris, Well, thank you, Jeff, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>that he does, he blesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, I was writ in the middle of my sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of rude, Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I should have I should have held off. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>matter with me. Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, doesn't make sense. So that it's a good storytelling tool.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think one of the reasons why we like

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<v Speaker 2>that tool is because we're actually I think we instinctively

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<v Speaker 2>know we're kind of living that story a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, well that's great. Well, hey, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>we've exhausted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had a couple of things. So people who

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<v Speaker 2>have some questions about these things, particularly about heaven, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Lee Strobel's book The Case for Heaven is a

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<v Speaker 2>really good book, really good book on that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I keep suggesting Norm Geisler. But Norm Geisler in Systematic Theology,

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<v Speaker 2>you can either buy the one great, big one Systematic

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<v Speaker 2>Theology and one volume. It's like sixteen hundred pages. It's

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<v Speaker 2>slightly academic, but it's theology a little bit more approachable

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<v Speaker 2>than say, super super academic people. But anyways, if you

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<v Speaker 2>buy the individual books Systematic Theology, volume four, he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about God's plan for the church, and he also talks

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<v Speaker 2>about the last things. From a theologian's perspective, how do

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<v Speaker 2>all the last things, heaven and eternity and all those things.

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<v Speaker 2>How does it work? So if you're mildly technical or

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<v Speaker 2>you're willing to just kind of plow through this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff, it's really really, really good. I think his

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<v Speaker 2>writing really framed a lot of my perspective on eternity.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Josh McDowell wrote a great little book a

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<v Speaker 2>number of years ago called More Than a Carpenter, And

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<v Speaker 2>I would suggest all three of those books for both

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<v Speaker 2>of these questions, quite honestly. So if you're looking for

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<v Speaker 2>something to follow up beyond some more stubstance than what

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff and Chris can offer, then these guys are legit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sounds good. All right, Well, hey, that's uh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the end of our time. So hopefully we will see

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<v Speaker 1>you tomorrow on the Bible gas.

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<v Speaker 2>H m hm m m m m m

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<v Speaker 1>Hm