1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,040 Unknown: Don't approach it. Don't think of it as networking. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Just like, just get out there and just meet people. But that's 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,020 what it is. Well, that's what it is, but they just don't want to 4 00:00:07,020 --> 00:00:08,940 use the word. But there's a different approach. Well, 5 00:00:08,940 --> 00:00:09,660 there's, I've seen 6 00:00:09,660 --> 00:00:12,660 it happen with some business people use it exactly, going out 7 00:00:12,660 --> 00:00:14,580 that network Exactly. Well, you come out. It's the 8 00:00:14,580 --> 00:00:16,860 thing of and I'm sure this has happened to probably both of 9 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:19,260 you, where somebody comes to you like, Hi, my name is so and so, 10 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:21,380 and I've done this, this and this, and this, and they lead 11 00:00:21,380 --> 00:00:22,160 with their resume. Yeah? 12 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,620 Well, that's not good networking. Yeah, exactly. But 13 00:00:24,620 --> 00:00:25,040 they're 14 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,520 kind of told that that's what you have to do. No for speed 15 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,000 dating, 16 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,500 yeah, but, but, but that the main thing is to, is to find a 17 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:37,220 common reality with the person and find out what interests 18 00:00:37,220 --> 00:00:38,420 them. You 19 00:00:38,420 --> 00:00:40,480 know, despite your success in all this rich I'm gonna, I'm 20 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,540 gonna challenge you on that. I'm gonna say that it's actually 21 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,480 finding, what problem do you solve? 22 00:00:47,260 --> 00:00:51,520 But that's more of a hard promo sexual pitch. No, it's, it's 23 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,220 basically what's your problem and I can solve it. Well, 24 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:56,800 not only that, it's, well, what's your problem? I want to 25 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,320 listen and I want to find out what is the biggest thing you're 26 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,260 dealing with, and if it's something that I could 27 00:01:01,260 --> 00:01:03,660 accommodate, or I know somebody that that could accommodate it, 28 00:01:03,660 --> 00:01:06,660 I just want to be a resource for you. How can I help you? Being a 29 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,560 being a connector. 30 00:01:08,820 --> 00:01:11,640 This is the rich Redmond show. What's 31 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,520 up, folks? Yep, it's that time. It's time for another exciting 32 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,800 episode of the rich Redmond show, where we talk about all 33 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,540 things like music, motivation and success. A lot of drummers 34 00:01:23,540 --> 00:01:26,180 on this show, Jim McCarthy and I are celebrating over 200 35 00:01:26,540 --> 00:01:30,080 episodes. It's a major accomplishment. But today we've 36 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,160 got a bass player, and now bass players are a drummer's best 37 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,280 friend, and this guy is a best friend. It's gonna be so great 38 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,480 to talk to him. It's long overdue. It's like herding cats 39 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,180 trying to get musicians to drive to Spring Hill to do this thing. 40 00:01:43,180 --> 00:01:45,100 So there's a lot of rescheduling, especially if 41 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:47,440 they're busy and they're popular, like today's guest, 42 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,580 Jim. Before we go too far, what are you wearing? It's a little 43 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:54,520 forward thinking and a little crazy. This is a this is a 44 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,760 today's guest knows we both have an affinity for the designer, 45 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,020 John Varvatos, just because everything that he designs, it 46 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:03,720 fits the human body, and it complements the human body, and 47 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,440 you feel so good in it you walk a foot taller. It's a little 48 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,880 crazy, and this is the first public appearance of this crazy 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,640 post apocalyptic olive sweater. 50 00:02:15,060 --> 00:02:17,220 It looks like it was attacked by a string trimmer. I know 51 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,100 it's a little crazy, but it was on sale, and that's the key to 52 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:24,800 wearing John Varvatos, is that you, but you have to wait till 53 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:24,920 the 54 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:27,380 sale. It's like you've almost got, like a ghillie suit on. You 55 00:02:27,380 --> 00:02:30,500 know what? Those are? Not fat Ghillie No, no, no, not fat 56 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,880 Gilly. Not me. The ghillie suits that, like the snipers and 57 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,420 hunters wear, and they blend into the, oh, yeah, the forage 58 00:02:38,420 --> 00:02:42,040 is it? Is it complimentary? Does that look good in it? It's 59 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,540 interesting. Okay, it's interesting 60 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:45,760 that a new shirt. That's 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,100 Jim. And I's thing, if he buys a new shirt, I'm like, Yeah, is 62 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:48,700 that new shirt? 63 00:02:49,060 --> 00:02:52,420 Means that rich doesn't like it? No. But Jim, Jim, 64 00:02:52,420 --> 00:02:55,360 Jim is on a, like, a health and fitness journey for his 50th 65 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,360 birthday. That's coming up. I was gonna say for your 50th 66 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,680 time, no, no, no, and it's gonna be great, because you're gonna 67 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,200 The funny thing is, is that when you get your new BOD, you're 68 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,660 just gonna want to go buy a new wardrobe. It's gonna be great. 69 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,600 And who John Barbados I should go for, yeah. I mean, you can 70 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,880 get a lot of stuff on Amazon, you know, especially his, like, 71 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,680 graphic tees and stuff. You just wait till 72 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,960 they're on sale. I go through the very exclusive, um, Kohl's 73 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,560 and get really good or, uh, track tour supply, silent 74 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,700 H at the on the coals, yeah, you know, also, a Nordstrom Rack is 75 00:03:22,700 --> 00:03:25,940 good. You can get some good, totally stylish har heart car. 76 00:03:25,940 --> 00:03:30,140 It's all the kids are doing, yeah, you know, um, today's 77 00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:33,200 guest, I mean, this is, you know, he lets us preface on the 78 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,440 previous episode. He kind of crashed it. Well, yeah, he was 79 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,200 and, and it was, and it was cool. It was totally cool. I 80 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,740 love it. It's the first time has ever happened on the history of 81 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:44,920 our show, but I played a lot of music over the years with this 82 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,100 gentleman. He's a multi faceted bassist, great musician, 83 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,700 originally hailing from Sebring, Florida, calling Nashville home, 84 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:55,240 just like me, 27 years and he's all over the place. He plays 85 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,760 upright, he plays electric, he plays fretless, he does the 86 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,100 whole thing you want pedals. He's got pedals you want 87 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:02,640 straight into the amp. He'll do straight into the amp. But he's 88 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,520 been on soundtracks for television shows like Roswell, 89 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:08,520 Smallville, King of the Hill. He's been on film score 90 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,280 soundtracks like squat and American Wedding. He's played on 91 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,820 video games like Need for Speed, Hot Pursuit two and Project 92 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,460 Gotham Racing. And then look at this. Look at these artists. 93 00:04:17,460 --> 00:04:20,280 He's worked with, Bailey Zimmerman, Michael Martin 94 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:24,260 Murphy, we're talking John party. Brett Eldridge, Leanne 95 00:04:24,260 --> 00:04:27,620 Womack, Jody, Messina, Ty Herndon, Lee Greenwood, trace 96 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:30,740 Atkins, Jamie O'Neill, Jimmy Wayne, Lindsey. L Pam Tillis, 97 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:36,020 Gavin DeGraw, Tom Keefer of Cinderella. He's been out with 98 00:04:36,020 --> 00:04:38,540 the guest who he's played with, Johnny Hyland, he's worked with 99 00:04:38,540 --> 00:04:42,220 cowboy Troy cold Ford, and you will he will say yes to a 100 00:04:42,220 --> 00:04:45,760 session we've done a lot of times. My friend Luis es Fauci, 101 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,660 What's up, buddy? Hey, man, thanks. Thanks. It just gives 102 00:04:49,660 --> 00:04:54,520 everyone a nice cross section and a little bit of like, wow. 103 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,060 Look at this body of work. This guy's been in Nashville. Your 104 00:04:58,060 --> 00:05:01,260 Nashville career is 27 years. And you do it all, man, you do 105 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,140 it all, and it can't. You kind of have to, right? Well, that's 106 00:05:04,140 --> 00:05:06,420 the thing, is like, and you know this better than anybody, too. 107 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:11,580 It's just like, we're, you know, subcontractors for hire folks. 108 00:05:11,580 --> 00:05:14,580 You know, we're not the artists in a lot of capacities, yeah. 109 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:18,060 And the way to, like, you know, this is the dream, as they say. 110 00:05:18,060 --> 00:05:20,720 So you have to say yes to the dream. When opportunity presents 111 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,940 itself, it's like, when the door opens, you have to walk through 112 00:05:22,940 --> 00:05:26,720 it, yes, so yeah. And honestly, it's like, because, you know, 113 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,780 you know how this goes with a lot of people, where we talk 114 00:05:29,780 --> 00:05:33,080 about things where, well, I've reached a certain point in my 115 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,040 career, so I can't do this. Lower Level, lower paying 116 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,020 usually involves money, you know, lower paying gig or 117 00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:42,100 whatever, yeah. But honestly, it's like, well, why are you 118 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:44,980 doing this? You know, it's like, we do it because we love it. 119 00:05:44,980 --> 00:05:48,400 Yeah, and, and there's many times where all of us, I know 120 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,160 you've done it too, where it's just like, you that's not even 121 00:05:51,220 --> 00:05:53,440 the question. It's just like, Are you available for blah, 122 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:55,780 blah, blah. Well, that sounds like fun. And then you don't 123 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,260 ask, like, oh, how much does it pay? Or, or who else is on it, 124 00:05:59,260 --> 00:06:02,340 or whatever it's more about. You know, I have an opportunity. 125 00:06:02,340 --> 00:06:04,500 I've never done that before, and I would really like to, yeah, 126 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,620 and regardless, and, you know, the bonus is like, Oh, by the 127 00:06:07,620 --> 00:06:09,060 way, you're getting paid. So, like, a lot of 128 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:11,640 time we have a day rate in mind, you know, and we do that, 129 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,160 hopefully you get to the point as a musician where, you know, 130 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,220 you can, you can have some sort of a day rate, which is a, which 131 00:06:17,220 --> 00:06:19,860 is kind of like a model, or it's kind of like a starting point 132 00:06:19,860 --> 00:06:23,180 for a negotiation. But nine times out of 10, we love music, 133 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:26,000 and we're gonna make it work the first you know, the phone rings. 134 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,420 And so speaking of which, you know, you studied, you graduated 135 00:06:29,420 --> 00:06:31,760 from the Berklee College of Music, which is great, because a 136 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,980 lot of guys go there for a semester or a year, and then 137 00:06:33,980 --> 00:06:36,260 they go like, this is great, but do I really want to spend a 138 00:06:36,260 --> 00:06:38,420 quarter of a million dollars? And then, you know what I mean, 139 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:40,840 but you did it, you graduated, which means you could finish 140 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,840 something and see it all the way through. You got tons of 141 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:46,600 training playing all sorts of different kinds of music. But 142 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,000 what did it we could talk about that Berkeley period. Because, I 143 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,260 mean, wow, that's amazing, because 144 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:51,400 it's a girls school. 145 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,760 Do you smell that? That's sarcasm. 146 00:06:54,940 --> 00:06:57,700 Berkeley. You mean the Berkeley in California? No, no, 147 00:06:57,940 --> 00:07:00,100 I'm being funny. Oh, sorry. I think can 148 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:02,880 elaborate on that. He's like, as soon as I'm like, that I was 149 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,700 told this, like, literally before I even, like, God, I 150 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:06,060 gotta do 151 00:07:06,060 --> 00:07:07,020 this to myself. Do it 152 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:11,220 nice. Jim, you know, in 153 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,700 the kids today won't get that reference. 154 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,960 So true. It's very true. I'm so spoiled, and this is something I 155 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,040 look to every year, and it happens so quickly. It will be 156 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,720 at this concert again and this December, but you tour with 157 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,820 Brett Eldridge. You know, Brett Eldridge is known as, like a 158 00:07:28,820 --> 00:07:31,760 country pop recording artist. He's had tons of success, but he 159 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,580 realized, oh my God, he's got a good, you know, Frank Sinatra, 160 00:07:34,580 --> 00:07:37,160 kind of, like crooner, boob lay kind of a thing. So every 161 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,560 Christmas he's been going out and building this kind of, like 162 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,040 big band thing. So Brett Eldredge sings the classic 163 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,120 country hits, and you're playing electric bass, upright bass. 164 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,440 You've been touring with him for how, two 165 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,020 years. Well, let me preface that too. Also, I don't normally tour 166 00:07:50,020 --> 00:07:53,740 with him like he does. You know, he's been around, and I've met 167 00:07:53,740 --> 00:07:55,960 him even early on his career. But you did the con. Do you do 168 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,180 the Christmas thing? I do just the Christmas thing, yeah, and 169 00:07:58,180 --> 00:08:00,460 the Christmas Big Band thing, if you want to call 170 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,260 it that, it's exceptional. And we saw you at the Ryman last 171 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:07,440 year, and it's a great date night. You like hooked Karen, I 172 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,280 up, and then this year you guys were at the Bridgestone. Yep, 173 00:08:11,580 --> 00:08:14,280 amazing. Yeah, it was amazing. And that's something that I'm 174 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,340 grateful to be involved with, that to some capacity, I can 175 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:20,540 take no credit for that. That's all Brett, and good for him, 176 00:08:20,540 --> 00:08:24,260 because he genuinely that. You can tell when you talk to him 177 00:08:24,260 --> 00:08:28,280 about the Christmas show and everything else. He loves it. He 178 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,700 loves being that guy. He loves singing in that style. He's a 179 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:35,000 huge fan of that, yeah, and it shows because he does it well 180 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,400 and and you've seen it. I mean, you saw us last year and this 181 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,800 year, you can see his energy, and you can see that it's 182 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,300 genuine. He loves what he does, and he still does the country 183 00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:46,000 thing. Actually, he just released a new country single 184 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,840 last week, so I'm sure he's gonna be kicking that off again. 185 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,780 But that's not what I do, right? I'm not involved with that side 186 00:08:52,780 --> 00:08:55,540 at all. It's just more and it's it goes for the same for the 187 00:08:55,540 --> 00:08:57,400 other musicians in the Christmas tour as well. 188 00:08:57,700 --> 00:09:01,860 And your rhythm section partner is Derek Phillips, amazing job. 189 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:02,160 Oh, and 190 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,220 he great. You guys are great together, yeah? Well, thank you, 191 00:09:05,220 --> 00:09:09,060 yeah. And Derek, actually, Derek is responsible for kind of being 192 00:09:09,060 --> 00:09:11,880 the foot in the door for that gig for me, nice. He had asked 193 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,100 me about doing because we had done a lot of session work 194 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:18,300 together. Derek and I, and I think we've done maybe one or 195 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:21,140 two live things, but not much. We primarily have seen each 196 00:09:21,140 --> 00:09:25,340 other in the studio. And he had asked me before the pandemic, 197 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:28,100 this is when Brett was starting to do the Christmas thing. And 198 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:30,380 he says, Hey, are you available? Because you play upright, and 199 00:09:30,380 --> 00:09:33,020 this is what the gig requires. At that time, I was doing 200 00:09:33,020 --> 00:09:36,020 another Christmas tour, or a Christmas show with trace 201 00:09:36,020 --> 00:09:38,420 Atkins. Atkins, yeah. And that was a Celtic Christmas thing, 202 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:40,840 and it was a residency here in Nashville, yeah. But it was 203 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,480 great because we had four string players. It was really a nice 204 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,940 thing. That was with Johnny the clock, right? Johnny Richardson 205 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:50,200 was there. And then the last time I did it, it was John 206 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,580 spittle, nice. So it was, you know, as well, so, and it was 207 00:09:54,580 --> 00:09:57,340 great. It was, I did it two years for that, but then when 208 00:09:57,340 --> 00:10:00,060 the pandemic happened, and then I parted ways with trace. I 209 00:10:00,060 --> 00:10:04,560 happen to be having lunch with Derek at sunflower cafe in Berry 210 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:08,100 Hill. Oh yeah, one of our typical like, mid session lunch 211 00:10:08,220 --> 00:10:11,100 places, nice vegan lunch, great vegan lunch. So we're sitting 212 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:14,340 there, and I said, Hey, remember that thing you asked me about? 213 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:16,860 Is that I'm actually available this go around that sounds like 214 00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:20,660 fun, is that? And he goes like, good to know. And I'm not making 215 00:10:20,660 --> 00:10:23,240 this up. This is going to sound like I made it up, but 60 216 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,200 seconds later, Brett walks in to the restaurant, and literally, 217 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,840 we look at him, go like, what are your ears burning? Or, you 218 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,780 know, yeah. And then, sure enough, like that. Few months 219 00:10:32,780 --> 00:10:36,320 later, I got the call and did it. And then so that was 22 and 220 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,720 then 23 we did again, and 24 this year, we did it again. And 221 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,780 it's been great. And the good thing about it now is that since 222 00:10:43,780 --> 00:10:47,800 22 it was Brett's call to try to keep the same band, and that 223 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,280 means the rhythm section and all eight horn players. Yeah, so 224 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,620 what you saw is exactly what you saw last year, as far as the 225 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:57,400 personnel goes. And everybody on that stage are session players. 226 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Like, nobody's really like a touring guy per se, like couple 227 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,160 the horn players. They went out with Josh stone and some other 228 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,120 artists. But primarily it's session guys doing this thing. 229 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:06,780 Yeah, that 230 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:10,020 horn section is playing on a lot of big film scores, exactly. 231 00:11:10,020 --> 00:11:12,360 And they, I mean, constantly, like, even, like when we were 232 00:11:12,420 --> 00:11:14,820 during the Christmas tour, flying back and forth, like they 233 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:16,860 made sure they had the early flight, because all this horn 234 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:19,440 players, like, man, we gotta remember last year, last year it 235 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,880 was, Oh, we got to go get in town to do John Wick four and 236 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,840 stuff like that, you know. So there's that. But that being 237 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,920 said, we weren't even sure how our personalities were going to 238 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,340 mesh between what we call stage right and stage left side, 239 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:36,620 dropping the rhythm section stage left, being the horn 240 00:11:36,620 --> 00:11:39,740 players. And like Lindsay Miller, who is our who is our 241 00:11:39,740 --> 00:11:42,760 guitar player in that she's great. She works at the symphony 242 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,240 all the time, and everything she knew those guys prior, but and 243 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,780 Derek did a little bit 91 or two, but not really. So we're 244 00:11:49,780 --> 00:11:52,360 like, okay, but now we have to, like, be together and tour. 245 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,320 How's this gonna work? Couldn't ask for anything better. It's a 246 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,300 bus tour, right? No, it's primarily a fly tour, but we did 247 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:03,360 bus a day or two, just for logistics sake. So you're flying 248 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,520 the same day of the show, the day before, day before, if we 249 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,700 can, that's so good. And you're helping all major markets, New 250 00:12:08,700 --> 00:12:14,100 York, Chicago, Yep, great. So you know what's your thing on 251 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:16,200 the road? Like? For me, I'll try to try to fill in some 252 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,780 educational event or something. I'll try to get my work out. But 253 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:21,620 as some guys have rituals like I want, some guys want to find the 254 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:25,280 best certain type of food in the city. Some guys want to hit all 255 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,300 the indie LP stores. Some P people just want to visit with 256 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:32,840 their homies in that city. So what's, what's your thing that 257 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:33,800 you try to do? Well, 258 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,800 it's, well, first of all, I'll say that I truly admire what you 259 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,020 do with that, because you make the most of your time. You make 260 00:12:39,020 --> 00:12:41,480 sure it's like, I'm going to do a clinic. I'm going to do this. 261 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,840 And I'm like, Man, I wish I could do that. I but the food is 262 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,260 good too. The food is great. It's my routine. Has always been 263 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:49,840 for years, and this goes well, dare I say decades at this 264 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,220 point, is always, I always get outside and go for a walk, a 265 00:12:54,220 --> 00:12:57,580 long, long I call it urban hiking, like, if it's a city I'm 266 00:12:57,580 --> 00:13:00,480 gonna go, especially New York. And that's how I learned New 267 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,500 York was walking. It just taking subway. Chicago, same thing. So 268 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:08,640 I always walk, usually in the morning. I never I didn't used 269 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,060 to be like a coffee shop guy, but now I kind of do that. So 270 00:13:12,060 --> 00:13:14,400 the first thing is, I get up, get dressed, go to the coffee 271 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,920 shop. Where's my coffee? Where's my coffee? Go have it. But then, 272 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,620 like, within the coffee shop, like the person behind the 273 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:23,000 counter, hey, I don't live here. Give me some recommendations for 274 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,880 maybe a lunch later or something. So I love doing that. 275 00:13:26,780 --> 00:13:29,600 If there are friends and family in town, it's always meet up 276 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,000 with them, yeah, for lunch or dinner, depending on their 277 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,480 schedule. But that's kind of my keep myself sane routine when, 278 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:38,900 when I used to tour a lot more frequently, yeah, when I was out 279 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:42,640 with the band Eve to Adam on Sony, years ago, the tour 280 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,920 manager called that. He's like, Oh, you're gonna walk about. So 281 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:47,560 that's what he would tell does he call it? Yeah, he would see 282 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:50,020 me, like, you know him and the crew up early, and they'd see me 283 00:13:50,020 --> 00:13:52,720 kind of like, starting to walk outside. He's like, Oh, Luis you 284 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,120 gonna walk about? I'm like, Yep, go walk about. You need anything 285 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:55,780 cool? That's your 286 00:13:55,780 --> 00:13:58,420 thing. That's my thing. Yeah, my our friend Jason Sutter, used to 287 00:13:58,420 --> 00:14:01,180 call it the Sutter strut. So he'd just get out and just like, 288 00:14:01,180 --> 00:14:04,860 double time, just like, and just walk that city and go, you know, 289 00:14:04,860 --> 00:14:07,680 you do your thing, man, go to a nice vintage clothing shop, go 290 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,980 buy some used records, get the best cup of coffee in town. Meet 291 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:14,220 up with some friends. That's one thing that is so great about the 292 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:18,300 road after all these decades, is you kind of sort of create a, 293 00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:22,340 kind of, like a street team, like, like, a community of 294 00:14:22,340 --> 00:14:25,160 people that live in every different city and and a lot of 295 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,500 times they'll remind you, hey, so you're gonna be in town on 296 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,360 such and such a day. You wanna meet up for a coffee or 297 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,400 whatever? I'm like, yeah. And then you put it on them, you're 298 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,060 like, Okay, well, we're gonna be, I'm gonna wake up on the bus 299 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,900 in the parking lot of the arena. So can you come by and grab me 300 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:41,560 and then you take me to your favorite coffee shop. 301 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,520 Amen. Yeah, that's exactly what to do it. And most people are 302 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,580 very respectful of the fact, at least friends and family that I 303 00:14:48,580 --> 00:14:51,400 have are very respectful. Well, we're gonna, you know, we'll do 304 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,560 it on your schedule. We know you're here and you're on the 305 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,900 clock, yeah. So whatever works. So they're very good about it. 306 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:58,840 But then you get those people go like, they'll send you a text or 307 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,640 a email. You. You were in town. Why didn't you tell me? Yeah, I 308 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,740 know it's like, I don't have enough hours in the day to, 309 00:15:04,740 --> 00:15:07,980 like, notify everybody from and look at my tours if there was a 310 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:10,620 tourist schedule. Oh, Chicago, it's this, this, and this. New 311 00:15:10,620 --> 00:15:13,200 York, it's this, this, this, you know, Springfield, Illinois, 312 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:13,740 it's this, this, 313 00:15:13,740 --> 00:15:16,800 and this. What else I saw your name and went, Oh, yeah, 314 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,180 exactly. You came up 315 00:15:18,180 --> 00:15:21,560 with my caller ID and I sent it right to voicemail. Well, 316 00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:25,400 ouch. I will say there's this whole thing and you know, and I 317 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,980 try not to dwell on it too much, but maybe you've experienced 318 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:30,980 this as well. But you know, there's these after the fact, 319 00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:34,400 because thanks to social media, there's people that you might 320 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,440 have gone to high school with that you didn't, they weren't 321 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,660 friends of yours or whatever, but they can find you, 322 00:15:38,660 --> 00:15:41,080 but they're friends all of a sudden, aren't they exactly, 323 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:41,500 Hey, 324 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,980 buddy, you're in town. Can I come to share what I'm gonna 325 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:48,820 get? Seven tickets. Yeah, and you're like, you were not nice 326 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:49,240 to me. 327 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:57,640 It's like that episode where Brad Pitt guests on friends Yes, 328 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:02,100 and he's all thin and sexy yes and but Jennifer Aniston was 329 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:05,700 such a jerk to him. Remember, in high school, and she's like, I 330 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,240 he's like, Rachel Green, I hate her. Oh my god, she was so mean 331 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,880 to me. But now he's like, Brad Pitt. He's all gorgeous and 332 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,400 everything. She's like, Oh my God. Who is that? The funny 333 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,320 thing is, they were dating at the time, though, aren't they in 334 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,300 real life? I don't know. My God, 335 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,260 I did they did date. They did date. Okay, so that's very 336 00:16:21,260 --> 00:16:21,680 possible 337 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,560 that is so cute. Can you imagine how I don't want to say life is 338 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,220 easy for Brad Pitt, but when you look like that, women open doors 339 00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:31,220 for you. Oh, the whole world opens doors for you, yeah, like, 340 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:33,200 literally and figuratively. What? 341 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,640 Okay, here's a good question for you guys of you know people, 342 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,040 caliber of caliber of people that look like Brad Pitt. Who do 343 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,880 you think would be a good beer hang? I think Brad Pitt would 344 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:46,000 be. 345 00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:50,020 I actually think Brad Pitt would be a good hang, because he 346 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,500 genuinely it seems like he's one of those guys. I can tell by his 347 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:56,020 personality. This goes with musicians too, but really actors 348 00:16:56,020 --> 00:16:58,540 and you know, this rich where you can tell is like, Oh, you 349 00:16:58,540 --> 00:17:01,620 actually like the craft. You're not in it to be just a movie 350 00:17:01,620 --> 00:17:05,040 star, you actually like the gig. And I think that personality 351 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,640 makes it where I'm like, Oh, we could hang one person. I did get 352 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,700 to hang with. You mentioned him earlier, and his happenstance 353 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:15,240 was Billy Bob Thornton, nice. And it was one of those where, 354 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:18,840 like, obviously it was, I was with trace, and the box masters 355 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,540 were opening, nice. And I he, I was like, I want to meet him, 356 00:17:23,540 --> 00:17:26,420 but I don't want to, like, you know, be that guy. Be that guy, 357 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:28,580 right? Didn't have to. He came right to me and introduced 358 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:32,300 himself because he's a musician as well, and he is, but he was a 359 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:35,720 super nice guy. We realized these mutual friends we had and 360 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,000 everything else, and then he was already, by the end of the 361 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,760 night, was telling me, like, oh, have you seen this funny YouTube 362 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,820 video? Oh, dude, Google this. Check this out. You're gonna 363 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:44,980 love it. You know, he was a bass player at the wrong gig or 364 00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:48,580 something. Oh, that's funny. No, it was, what do you say the the 365 00:17:48,580 --> 00:17:52,180 West Virginia ninja was the one he Yeah, look it up. It's this 366 00:17:52,180 --> 00:17:55,960 dude from West Virginia who says he's a ninja, and that I found 367 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,040 that out from Billy Bob 368 00:17:57,100 --> 00:18:01,000 Thornton. Oh, my God. He's just approachable. He just seems to 369 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,140 me like he would be. He's like an everyman. Well, he was, 370 00:18:04,140 --> 00:18:06,780 and I think maybe had to start, you know, if we talk about the, 371 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,360 really, the beginning of his career, where he blew up, like 372 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,820 sling blade, that was kind of something he created. 373 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,760 He created the platform for himself. He was probably waiting 374 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,820 for Hollywood to come to him. So he just said, I mean, he was 375 00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:21,380 really early on the scene as a content creator, yeah, and he 376 00:18:21,380 --> 00:18:24,320 hired his friends, Dwight Yoakam, yeah, yeah, from 377 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,100 Hamilton, yeah. Who did all the he created those plays. Whose 378 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:29,180 name I can't think of, right? 379 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:32,060 Lin Manuel, Miranda. And I have a tie to that as well. Really, 380 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,100 yeah? Well, let us know. Well, so Well, he 381 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:36,560 didn't finish the question. Sorry. Who would you? Who would 382 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,660 you want? Sorry about I don't want to cut you off. Yeah, no 383 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:42,160 worries, please. Who's how badly Am I being rude? No, who would 384 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,180 you want to hang with? 385 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,060 You know, I really feel like those two cats like Brad Pitt 386 00:18:46,060 --> 00:18:50,020 and George Clooney, would be so approachable and such nice cats. 387 00:18:50,020 --> 00:18:52,540 Clooney really interesting. I think Clooney, I mean, he's a 388 00:18:52,540 --> 00:18:56,200 bona fide global, you know, movie star. But I think that, 389 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,140 you know, if somebody, somebody like vouched for you and you got 390 00:18:59,140 --> 00:19:02,820 into the inner circle, he would be very curious and 391 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,720 just fun. I've got two, yeah, RDJ and Chris Hemsworth, who's 392 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,200 RDJ? Robert Downey, Jr. Oh, okay, yeah, they'd be good 393 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,160 hangs. I think it's 394 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,040 funny that you referenced two dudes from the MCU. Yeah. I 395 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,260 found that kind of interesting, but I I'm inclined to agree with 396 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:23,600 you. Definitely an RDJ, for sure, you'd be a great he'd be 397 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,960 fun. I think everything I've seen of him that is not I 398 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,500 remember seeing a thing, was it? It was a tour of his home with 399 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:33,080 his wife, yeah. And it was just a few years ago, but it was 400 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,800 like, I can't remember what the like, a farm, yeah, windmill 401 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,080 looking thing. But it was on one of those YouTube channels, like 402 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,800 American homes or whatever, yeah. And his personality, just 403 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,740 this is, you know, come in, check out my living room, and 404 00:19:47,740 --> 00:19:50,200 his wife's there too, or whatever. And that's where you 405 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,000 get the sense of like, Oh, this guy would be good. 406 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:54,820 Vince Vaughn. Maybe Vince Vaughn. Vince. Wanna Be Cool, 407 00:19:54,820 --> 00:19:57,400 yeah? Who are some other people that are just like, Man, this is 408 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,300 a guy that is grounded. Who's that? Barack 409 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:02,640 Obama? Oh, I'd do it anyway. I 410 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,160 mean, he went to mark Marin's garage. Did he Yeah, he did. 411 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,460 That's right, the where's the interview is in a garage in 412 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:10,260 Glendale. Sign me up. Now, did 413 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:12,900 he do that when he was sitting president? At that time? He did 414 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:16,020 it while he was the president. That's you imagine 415 00:20:16,020 --> 00:20:18,540 the cavalcade of cars that would show up in that neighborhood in 416 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:20,840 Glendale? Oh, sure, just black cars. I'm 417 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,900 surprised Mark didn't make a mention of, like, all the Secret 418 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:26,180 Service guys, like, parked in his driveway or something like 419 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:27,020 that. It was 420 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,380 probably one of the most secure locations, yeah, for him. I 421 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:31,940 mean, we don't get presidents on 422 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:34,880 our show of the United States. We get presidents of, like, the 423 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,980 American Federation of Musicians and stuff on our No, no. It's 424 00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:43,240 like, it's no, it's, uh, anything is possible in this 425 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:44,740 crazy life. I 426 00:20:44,740 --> 00:20:49,000 got to put together a rush show at Berkeley. Really rush, 427 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,780 where's the place? So the cafeteria in Berkeley, what you 428 00:20:52,780 --> 00:20:55,900 could do is kind of like a library card check it out, like 429 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:59,260 a performance space after hours. So we would do what was called 430 00:20:59,260 --> 00:21:01,560 calf shows, you know, like fame 431 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,360 exactly at lunch, yeah, pretty 432 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:07,260 much, yeah. So I put, there's two that I am Dean put together. 433 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:10,260 It was Queen and rush. And both of them, I had Alex, like, a 434 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:14,220 more on nice and, you know, the rush one, he he did second 435 00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:19,080 guitar keys and bgvs on Queen, he did primarily vocals and sang 436 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,180 lead, like he did the Bowie Parton under pressure. And years 437 00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:26,480 later I saw a sudden, you watch his career explode with Lin 438 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,440 Manuel, kind of in together. Yeah, yeah. And so much the 439 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,440 point that he just made a post. I just saw it, like last week, 440 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,020 and he was like, oh, you know, me and the wife are going to 441 00:21:36,020 --> 00:21:39,140 London, whatever he he went and had dinner with Getty Lee. Oh, 442 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:42,280 wow. So him and Getty are kind of besties 443 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:45,340 like, I guess, or whatever, that is very approachable too, as is 444 00:21:45,340 --> 00:21:46,900 Alex. I think Alex, 445 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,840 Alex is great. I met Getty and Alex in 2002 and this is right 446 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,500 because I brokered the meeting, because I grew up listening to 447 00:21:56,500 --> 00:22:01,440 Rush as well. But I got signed to Atlantic Records in 2001 and 448 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,380 at that time, Russia was signed to Atlantic and a friend of mine 449 00:22:04,380 --> 00:22:08,520 at the studio at Ocean Way said, you know, what do you want to 450 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,980 this is before paid meet and greets and everything else. The 451 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:13,320 only time you did meet and greets at that time was your you 452 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,220 knew somebody radio contest, or you knew somebody like that. And 453 00:22:17,220 --> 00:22:20,240 somebody at the studio is like, Hey, let me type up a letter and 454 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:23,120 send it off to the management, see what we can do for you. 455 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:26,240 Cool. And sure enough, I got the meet and greet with them. And 456 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,240 this was I just gotten the record deal. I just signed my 457 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,880 first record deal. This is an Eve to Adam. This. No, this was 458 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:37,520 nice. And I so I met getting Alex pose the photo. And I said, 459 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,260 Hey guys, I just got signed to Atlantic, any advice he could 460 00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:46,480 offer me. And Alex just kind of looked at me. He's like, You got 461 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,820 signed to Planet records. Yeah, I did. 462 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,560 You're screwed my band. And 463 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,840 then he could see that, I guess my cheeks just went flush, like, 464 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,960 what? And he's like, Man, I'm just kidding. Whatever. And then 465 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,920 he's like, yeah, do you have any advice, and he's like, get a 466 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:02,460 good lawyer. 467 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,960 What was that supposed to mean? Yeah. So I taught action cop. I 468 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,920 remember for a while our old friend Ryan Hoyle played with 469 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,200 you guys, right? But Ryan original drummer? No, 470 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,500 he was not. He subbed in, yeah. So it's funny, you mentioned, I 471 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:17,580 haven't talked to Ryan on a 472 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:21,680 hot minute, many years. Yeah, many years. So this 473 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,680 was either right around the time or right before he moved to LA 474 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:30,440 Yeah, and we had to sub out because our original drummer, I 475 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,680 think his wife's about to give birth to a kid, or their second 476 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,920 kid, or whatever. And he came in and subbed so we had Ryan for a 477 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,640 weekend. So 478 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,480 what was it like being an assigned band on Atlantic 479 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,460 Records in the early aughts. 480 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,600 Interesting, yeah, it was very educational. What were 481 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,660 the current bands at the time? Was it like the Eve sixes and 482 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:52,060 the fuel and 483 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,540 well, on our division of our label, which, which is lava 484 00:23:55,540 --> 00:23:59,500 Atlantic, which was Jason floms in print, Jason from any carp we 485 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:06,660 had. It was us, simple plan, sugar, Ray, Matchbox 20, Kid 486 00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:11,040 Rock, wow. And but then you had things like the Blue Man Group 487 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,040 put out a record, Oh, wow. And transit brew and orchestra. 488 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,360 These are all people on our 489 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,420 label. I mean, that Matchbox 20 record, I was kicking it 490 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:22,100 yesterday with Pete Coleman, our engineer, you know, at Fauci, 491 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:25,160 he's here in Spring Hill as a local watering hole, yeah? And, 492 00:24:25,220 --> 00:24:28,700 you know, Matchbox 20, their first hit comes on the radio. 493 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:29,480 It's 1995 494 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,620 that's a long time ago. Man was a long time ago. Holy, it 495 00:24:33,620 --> 00:24:35,840 did the early outs. Was a long time they are a, 496 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,480 they are a legacy rock band, yes, yeah. Classic 497 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,800 Rock, classic. Okay, 498 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,860 so, Jim, do you have a hot take on this, like, what were you 499 00:24:44,860 --> 00:24:49,060 consider at what point? How many years before it becomes a rocker 500 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:51,640 thing becomes classic? Where it gets that label? I think it's 501 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,060 generational. 2020, okay, so, 20, yeah, that makes sense. 20 502 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:58,300 years, yeah, gotcha so. And also, during our time, because 503 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:00,960 hottish and cop was known as being a rap. Rock Band there was 504 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,680 obviously your limp biscuits. And you know those kind of bands 505 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,460 as well, nice 506 00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:09,180 and so then, after hot action cup, how many years before you 507 00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:10,440 did the Eve to Adam thing? 508 00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:12,600 E to add didn't roll around until 2011 509 00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:16,380 12? Because Didn't you guys play the whiskey when I was living in 510 00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:19,020 Los Angeles, you were there and your bus was parked on Sunset 511 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:22,820 Boulevard, across the street. And then I made the mistake of 512 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:25,940 coming to party with you guys, and the next day was a big 513 00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:26,540 hangover. 514 00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:29,720 Well, I'm laughing because a lot of things happened that night, 515 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,060 and that was just the tip of the iceberg. Yeah, let me put you 516 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:35,960 this way, like you left and and I remember so vividly. I still 517 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,600 have a very solid memory of being on stage at the whiskey 518 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,780 and looking, and you were sitting in the balcony. I 519 00:25:40,780 --> 00:25:43,540 remember, still, I can look and go like, there's rich. He's 520 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:46,480 right there. Just lean, you know, in rich is, like, on that 521 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,000 rail, and just kind of just rocking out, just checking out 522 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,880 the show. And I'm like, God, I hope we're not sucking right 523 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,360 now. That was great. But I remember the whole thing is, of 524 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,180 course, we wanted to play rock stars, and we went to party at 525 00:25:58,180 --> 00:26:00,480 the rainbow afterwards. I think at this point you might have 526 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,900 already gone, you might have left, yeah, but our whole goal 527 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:08,760 was to go meet Lemmy because, well, no, he wasn't. He was 528 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,940 under the weather. But it's so funny because all the staff 529 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:14,340 there, like, kind of knew why we were it's like, yeah, you're 530 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,500 looking for Lemmy. He's we already know he's not well, he's 531 00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:17,760 just at home because 532 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,760 his home was about 30 feet away behind, yeah, it's right there, 533 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,480 the rainbow. 534 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,180 But you know who we wound up closing down the rainbow with 535 00:26:27,260 --> 00:26:33,320 Billy Gibbons, not quite as coolish, um, Ricky rackman, no. 536 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,420 Eddie Van Halen, no, yeah, 537 00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:39,560 you're never gonna get this is fun. This is not a musician, is 538 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:39,680 He? 539 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,840 Is he a host? No, is it like one of the guys from the metal show 540 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,800 or something? Okay, 541 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,500 no, go for it. Eddie trunk, 542 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,760 Ron Jeremy, 543 00:26:50,380 --> 00:26:53,620 kid you not. I'm not making that up. He was there quite a bit. 544 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,200 Yes, he was apparently he was there. We closed down the bar 545 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,360 with Ron Jeremy. Ron still alive, right? Yes, 546 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,380 okay, yeah, yeah. I actually worked with his niece, really? 547 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,640 Yeah, okay. Did you ever read 548 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,580 his biography book? Not 549 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,660 interesting? Yeah? He heard, yeah. I'm sure it's probably, 550 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:12,660 like, just got tons of ups and downs. Like, the only Yeah, I'm 551 00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:14,640 sure yeah. The only conversations we had were very 552 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,100 middle of the road, common stuff. Like, I so badly wanted 553 00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,500 to kind of ask him about his career a little bit. But we 554 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:20,960 never, we never went there. Oh, my god, 555 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,340 yeah, that was it. That was like, before you had to be thin 556 00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:26,180 and shave your body 557 00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:28,520 hair. Yeah? No, he didn't care. Yeah, the Hedgehog, 558 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,760 exactly. Thank you. Helps you pick up her. So he, I mean, did 559 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,460 you feel like you had to, you know, use some hand sanitizer, 560 00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:34,760 maybe. 561 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,540 So, yeah, yeah. He just I literally, when we walked out 562 00:27:38,540 --> 00:27:41,200 and our bus, our beds, our busses parked right there. We 563 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,420 actually, like, I can't believe I'm about to say this, but good 564 00:27:43,420 --> 00:27:44,140 night, Ron Jeremy, 565 00:27:44,740 --> 00:27:47,800 and he literally point me to the nearest car wash that I can walk 566 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,120 through. Yeah, exactly. 567 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:52,360 He literally. We watched him walk out into the darkness of 568 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,300 sunset. We I'm not this is literally, like a movie. He just 569 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:56,560 walked and just disappeared in 570 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,080 the darkness. He and his three legs. Yeah, exactly. He probably 571 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,840 lived close by as well. I think 572 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,120 he did. My understanding is he did, yeah, now 573 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,560 you're now you have Dominican and Puerto Rican roots, yes. Why 574 00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:10,620 music? Why the bass? Is your musical family? 575 00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:15,000 Not really, yeah, not by profession, yeah. My entire 576 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,180 family love the arts and love music, and always have, and are 577 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:23,660 very driven by music. But professionally, no, my dad's a 578 00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:26,780 retired surgeon, like he went to medical school at an early age, 579 00:28:26,780 --> 00:28:30,200 and he's very business minded, and that's all good, but he 580 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,620 always my entire family, both sides, had a passion for the 581 00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:39,560 arts always. So even if I didn't choose this as a profession, my 582 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,460 mom made it a mandate, because my I'm the oldest of my 583 00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:44,560 siblings, and my mom's like, Okay, here's what we're gonna 584 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,260 do. We're gonna get you into oil painting classes, into piano 585 00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:49,360 lessons. We're gonna do and I'm gonna do it with you. We're 586 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,580 gonna do the arts. Wow, because she wanted to have what she 587 00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:54,640 called, like, a well rounded education, which is great. It's 588 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,340 like, yeah, we can do the academics, and that's important, 589 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,780 but we want you to have all the aspects, all the things that's 590 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:03,420 so cool. And it just, I mean, my mom called it, she says it's 591 00:29:03,420 --> 00:29:05,340 like, I called it. It's like, you know, early on, she's, like, 592 00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:08,280 within a few years, like, before I was even, like, 10 years old, 593 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,500 she's like, you're gonna, you're gonna be a musician. And she 594 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,800 called it, she was right, yeah. So when the bass, when the bass 595 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,860 occurred later and later, meaning, like, middle school, 596 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:19,320 high school, really? Yeah. Well, I mean, I started with piano 597 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,940 lessons. I did horn stuff in middle school, high school, for 598 00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:27,500 band and whatnot. But I think I really fell in love with the 599 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:30,980 sound of the instrument right out of the gate. Yeah. And my 600 00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:33,200 approach for it was one of those things where, like, Well, I 601 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,900 mean, look, you know, I already understood music even as a kid. 602 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:38,660 It's like, All right, well, it's four open strings and it's 603 00:29:38,660 --> 00:29:43,540 chromatic. How hard could it be? Then you find out it's not like, 604 00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:45,700 you know, you know, even with drums, it's like, well, you hit 605 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:47,920 this and you hit that. How hard could it be? And you realize 606 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,620 there's a lot more to it than that. But the thing with bass 607 00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:53,500 is, once I, you know, I took some Christmas money and bought 608 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,380 myself a bass or whatever, and it was just like, almost meat. 609 00:29:56,380 --> 00:29:59,800 Is like, Oh, this is my voice. You know how it is? Is like, as 610 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,220 me. Musicians, we all we can dabble in other things we 611 00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:05,520 understand, like what people do and whatever. But there's this 612 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,780 thing about the conduit of us as a musician, like, No, this is my 613 00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:12,720 voice, yeah, this is who you know. This is how I contribute, 614 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,120 and this is how I express myself. Yeah, that's 615 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,700 how it was for me in the mouth harp. There you go. See, down, 616 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,240 down, down. 617 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,140 Did you start with the mouth harp? You didn't 618 00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:23,420 know that. I didn't know that. It's because it didn't happen, 619 00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:24,680 okay? But 620 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,400 I like how you sold it. You sold it like a total straight man. 621 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,900 I want to be Jim when I grow up. What's the secret to comedy 622 00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:38,420 timing? Amazing. 623 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,780 Amazing. So 624 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:45,340 were you working after Berkeley? Did you kick it in Boston for a 625 00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:46,720 while? Or did you I 626 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,160 did. I stayed not long, like, a year, because I think it was 627 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,060 more out of a necessity of like, Oh, crap. What do I do now? And 628 00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:58,060 money and everything else. And, you know, it was just like, 629 00:30:58,060 --> 00:31:00,960 Okay, I graduated. I'm here. I know people here. I have some 630 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,320 gigs here, but I got to find a job, and I did, and so I stuck 631 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,260 around for a little bit, and it wasn't until another drummer, 632 00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:10,380 friend of mine I went to school with, comes to my apartment in 633 00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:13,500 Somerville, Massachusetts, which is right kind of just north of 634 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,580 Harvard, and said, Hey, moving to Nashville, you want to buy my 635 00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:21,680 furniture? And then he's like, wait a minute, you want to be a 636 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,680 studio musician, that's one of your goals. You should really 637 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,980 look at Nashville. And he can, in two hours, convince me 638 00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:32,060 nice and before even checking it out, yeah, well, we flew down. 639 00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:36,080 That was early that year, and then July of that year we flew 640 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,660 down. He's, like, come with me to like, he's, he was scoping a 641 00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:41,440 place to live. And a couple of our mutual buddies who still 642 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,260 live here to stay, like, are here, we're already here. And we 643 00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:46,420 scoped it out, and it didn't take long. It's like, No, I 644 00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:48,220 gotta make this happen, because you and I didn't 645 00:31:48,220 --> 00:31:52,720 meet right away in 1997 now it happened after like, I feel like 646 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,240 I've known you forever and ever and ever, but we have a similar 647 00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:59,020 story in the sense that we took everything that came our way, we 648 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,920 crashed parties, we did all the right things we were supposed to 649 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,460 do, trying to get into the right circles, creating opportunities, 650 00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:07,980 answering the call for opportunities. What was that 651 00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:10,260 first opportunity for you? Were you playing around town? Did you 652 00:32:10,260 --> 00:32:12,420 do lower Broadway? What was your first road gig? 653 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,980 I never did lower Broadway. And that wasn't like it was part of 654 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:19,740 me. It wasn't like I was poo pooing it or anything. It just 655 00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:22,580 like it just worked out. And honestly, it was like, it's a 656 00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:24,800 lot of work. I mean, I have a lot of respect for those guys, 657 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,160 because the repertoire that they know is off the chain, and just 658 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,920 holding your P for so long, yeah? And that's and that, you 659 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,740 know, it didn't used to be that way, you know, back in the day, 660 00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:35,780 you know, you could actually take a break. Yeah? It was like, 661 00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:38,240 it was a typical like, here you're gonna do three hours and 662 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,720 you're gonna take a 10 minute break every hour, okay, cool, or 663 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,840 five, or whatever. Now it's four hours, no breaks and and I even 664 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,120 friends of mine, like, how do you take a break? I'm like, I 665 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,640 hope to hell that one of my buddies who plays my instrument 666 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,080 is there so I can go pee. I say, you know, if 667 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,060 you're a drummer, he's like, please do an acoustic song. 668 00:32:52,180 --> 00:32:55,300 Exactly, right? Not just beer in those bottles. Exactly, yeah, 669 00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:55,840 those 670 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,020 aren't pillows. So the those aren't pillows, exactly. I, you 671 00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:04,500 know, I my first opportunity came about. It's hard because I 672 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,960 just kind of jumped, actually, no correction, here it is. My 673 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,500 first opportunity was within 48 hours. And this, I have to thank 674 00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:13,980 that's incredible. A friend of mine who's still friends of mine 675 00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:16,440 to this day, another bass player, Tommy Mac Tommy 676 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,340 McDonald, hey, what's Tommy? So, yeah, so you know, that guy's 677 00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:24,380 great, but it was, I didn't have any connections prior, other 678 00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:26,840 than a couple fellow Berkeley guys who beat me to the punch 679 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,460 here by a few months. Yeah, and there was a merch guy, this is 680 00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:34,400 gonna sound weird, like, who was friends with a guy who was 681 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,400 friends with my step mom's dad and, you know, right down the 682 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,460 line or whatever, and he's been a merch guy since the 70s. 683 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:43,540 Actually did it. Went out with rush at one point. So there you 684 00:33:43,540 --> 00:33:46,060 go. There's your rush connection again. But he was out with 685 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,000 Sting and slinging that, yeah. But he was, 686 00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:51,940 you know, he was, I think he was working for Richardson sutland, 687 00:33:51,940 --> 00:33:56,200 you know, the big merch company, big one and big one. And he was 688 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,100 working with David Lee Murphy at the time, just on the bottle, 689 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,260 exactly. So, you know, he's like, you know, it was the I was 690 00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:06,660 told say, hey, contact this guy's name is Carson. Contact 691 00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:09,240 him. Call him up. Here's his number, that way. It's another 692 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:11,760 person you know in town. So I called and left them a voicemail 693 00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:15,060 about, you know, 10 hours later, whatever, he's like, Hey, what 694 00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:17,400 are you doing tonight? Like, nothing. He's like, all right, 695 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,560 you come to see this band with me. And so we went and saw Laura 696 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,280 darling, who is a writer, and she was playing, and Tommy 697 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,840 McDonald's playing bass, nice. So we went to the thing. We met 698 00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:32,540 Tommy, and I met and Tommy's like, Oh, are you looking for a 699 00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:36,860 gig? And I'm like, Duh, yeah, yeah. And he literally, like, 700 00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:39,380 sitting down after any motions to the stage, like, do you want 701 00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:41,900 this gig? I'm like, Well, sure. Why. He's like, Well, I have to 702 00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:44,080 go out with David Lee Murphy. David Lee Murphy, so I need 703 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,720 somebody to cover this. And that's, that's how he's off to 704 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:47,140 the race I'm 705 00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:50,200 quitting right now. Pretty much it's yours. But 706 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,740 I mean, that is example of of the, you know, the Keough Stroud 707 00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:57,100 system, not just like, be out. And really, could we 708 00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,960 have not gone through this entire interview without 709 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,380 mentioning kiosks? I. I just such 710 00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:04,380 a smart Guinness, you know, because the first 15 years in 711 00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:07,200 Nashville, I would go out every single night as part of, like, a 712 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,780 business model. It's like, you gotta go, you gotta go to the 713 00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:12,060 writer's nets, you gotta go to the showcases. You gotta see the 714 00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:14,400 regional bands that come through. You gotta be pressing 715 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,000 the flesh. And here he is, 20 something years in, and he just 716 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,720 continues to do it. And he's always top of mind and I'm like, 717 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,660 Keo, great business model, exactly. You know, no, 718 00:35:23,660 --> 00:35:26,720 he's really good at that. It is, right? There is a certain thing 719 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,420 about it. But, you know, we talk about the dirty word networking, 720 00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:32,240 yeah, you know. And to me, and I've told this now that, you 721 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,220 know, we're on this side of the coin and now where people are 722 00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:36,740 asking us for advice and whatever, and say, Hey, don't 723 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,440 approach it. Don't think of it as networking. Just like, just 724 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,000 get out there and just meet people. 725 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,180 But that's what it is. Well, that's what it is, but they just 726 00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:45,460 don't want to use the word. But there's a different approach. 727 00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:45,640 Well, 728 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,020 there's, I've seen it happen with 729 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,140 business. People use it exactly. They were going out that network 730 00:35:50,140 --> 00:35:51,220 Exactly. Well, you come 731 00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:53,320 out, it's the thing of and I'm sure this has happened to 732 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,660 probably both of you, where somebody comes to you like, Hi, 733 00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:57,820 my name's so and so, and I've done this, this and this, and 734 00:35:57,820 --> 00:35:59,680 they lead with their resume. Yeah, well, that's not good 735 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,120 networking. Yeah, exactly. But they're kind of told that that's 736 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,760 what you have to do. No speed dating, 737 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,200 yeah, but, but, but that the main thing is to, is to find a 738 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,340 commonality with the person and find out what interests them. 739 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:15,180 You 740 00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:17,280 know, despite your success in all this rich I'm gonna, I'm 741 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,220 gonna challenge you on that, I'm gonna say that it's actually 742 00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:23,240 finding what problem do you solve? 743 00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:28,520 But that's more of a hard promo sexual pitch. No, it's what's 744 00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:30,620 your problem and I can solve it. 745 00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:33,620 Well, not only that, it's, well, what's your problem? I want to 746 00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:36,200 listen, and I want to find out what is the biggest thing you're 747 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,940 dealing with, and if it's something that I could 748 00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:40,420 accommodate, or I know somebody that that could accommodate it, 749 00:36:40,420 --> 00:36:43,120 I just want to be a resource for you. How can I help you out? 750 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,160 Being a, being a connector. Well, like, you know, for 751 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,400 example, this thing, these things can kind of happen in an 752 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,160 organic way. And Jim and I go back and forth on this. So, you 753 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,340 know, if you have a website and you have all sorts of products 754 00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:58,300 and services, do you have a cart or a page where you list every 755 00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,260 product and services and you, and you put the price tag on 756 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:03,540 there. What involves? Are you talking about merch or service? 757 00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:06,300 I'm services, right? Okay, so for me, like, I got a call the 758 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,240 other day and it's guys like, hey, you know, I'm a, you know, 759 00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:12,120 superintendent of the school district, and there's going to 760 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,820 be 300 guests, and we're going to do a, we're looking for a 761 00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:19,320 keynote speaker in 2027 in April. I'm like, Well, I don't 762 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,340 know my schedule is, but most likely we are only touring June 763 00:37:22,340 --> 00:37:25,520 to October, so most likely it's not a problem. I already live in 764 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,340 Nashville, saving airfare or saving Hotel. I'll come and goes 765 00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:30,740 well, we already know that we want you. We just got to talk 766 00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:33,560 about budget and stuff, and then get it started. We get into the 767 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,780 weeds. We're talking about details. And then I'm, like I 768 00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:39,860 said, Now also, I can emcee the entire event for you. I could do 769 00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:42,640 my keynote speech, and then, since the event has a music 770 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,540 centric theme, I can put together an all star band for 771 00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:48,760 you. And they're like, Wow, we didn't know you could do all 772 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,960 that. So Should these services be listed on my website? Yes. 773 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,340 See Jim says, Well, 774 00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:57,100 yes, and you're right about that, because there is that. I 775 00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:00,600 guess there's, there's got to be an art to it. And I'm obviously 776 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,360 still figuring it out myself or whatever, but making people 777 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,880 realize what it is that you do. And one of the things, like, for 778 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,160 me, the biggest thing that people weren't aware of and what 779 00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:08,700 was playing 780 00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:10,920 upright bass. Very few guys do that. 781 00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:14,820 Well, the assumption is that you do one of the other, not both 782 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,580 and and. Like, obviously, there's, it's not just me. 783 00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:20,780 There's a batch of us that double and, and some of those 784 00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:23,240 guys, like, are monster doublers, as we say, double on 785 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,360 upright and electric or whatever. But the fact that you 786 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,540 still have to find that way of, hey, I want to make you aware 787 00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:33,260 that I do this. Yeah, it's like, I, you know, the best example I 788 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:35,840 have from years ago was, you know, I track out of the house 789 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,020 as well as, as we all do, we all do remote recording. And I got 790 00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:41,680 hired to do two upright tracks. Okay, so got them done. All's, 791 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,220 well, oh, I didn't take a picture. I didn't post. Should I 792 00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:48,040 did it happen? Yeah, exactly. If you didn't post, it didn't 793 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,640 happen. Like, we're 794 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:51,160 really good, like, when you and I work a lot together with Chris 795 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,680 Condon. Chris Condon is nice enough to call us. What's that, 796 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,860 Chris? He just called a guest on the show. Should we call him 797 00:38:56,860 --> 00:38:57,640 back? And yeah, 798 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,860 you should probably get him on the air. He'll put, 799 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,420 like, his, his week of sessions on Facebook, and I'll do a nice 800 00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:05,820 mash up of all these photos. And he puts a picture of all the 801 00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:09,180 individual players. That's great. Tags him. It's really 802 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:10,020 It's smart. 803 00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:12,360 He's really good about it. And it's one of those things where 804 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,820 it does make the Philippines different. Sometimes we personal 805 00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:17,760 branding, personal branding, promo, sexuality, whatever you 806 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,380 want to call it. Kevin Murphy, 807 00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:23,240 but he's not a fan of that, that concept, no. 808 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:27,140 And honestly, look, if it's what to me, it's like, I feel like 809 00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:30,680 it's sometimes it feels it might not be, but feels disingenuous, 810 00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:33,620 like we don't want to like it seems it comes from a place of 811 00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:36,260 ego. I'm trying to sell you, look how good I am. I don't want 812 00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:38,960 to just be that guy, but at the same time, how else do you make 813 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,720 people aware of what you do? But I was 814 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,080 documenting some of our heroes that I would never think that 815 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,300 would do that are now on the game where, like, oh my gosh, 816 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:48,940 like, some of my heroes are, like, every time they do a 817 00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:53,260 recording session or teach a lesson or do a clinic, that 818 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,660 there is a photo and a video, we'll 819 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,680 look at the 820 00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:59,920 how would you how do you pivot that to make it valuable for. 821 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,120 Those watching, though. So instead of like, I get what 822 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,120 you're saying, sure where it's it's a, it's a braggadocio kind 823 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,440 of approach, black dossier, like a light brag, yeah, humble brag. 824 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,480 What if you could just do a video of like we do the the Fast 825 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,660 Five or a fun little trivia question. Be like, Hey, man, 826 00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:22,400 we're here with with so and so, what do you think about, you 827 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,100 know, what's your favorite food? And there's that kind of stuff, 828 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:29,240 yeah, facebrag.com, exactly. Face brag, but it's just like, 829 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,060 it's just fun little stuff. Yeah, that could be 830 00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:34,160 a way to do that, where it's more engaging, because if you 831 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,740 think of it from the concept of what we now have content 832 00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:40,840 creators and influencers, yeah, kind of a dirty word, too, where 833 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,180 they like anything else, like you're making a movie, you're 834 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:45,700 making a TV, you're making some sort of program. It's the 835 00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:48,640 engagement factor, like making the connection, making the you 836 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,160 know, it's, yeah, I, I know that they're selling something, but 837 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,680 this is entertaining to me. That's got to be entertaining. 838 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,940 It's got to be entertaining. No, 839 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,460 all right, well, let's say I think, I think that, you know, 840 00:40:57,460 --> 00:41:02,220 Chris Condon comes to mind, just because he's so consistent about 841 00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:04,380 doing that. And I like it, because you and I are always in 842 00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:07,260 the photos. And, you know, I like being photos. So with 843 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:09,180 things, I don't think it's secret. It's, 844 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:12,060 it's funny, because we, well, we were, we did a session with him 845 00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:15,000 not that long ago over at Southern ground. And I remember, 846 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,240 like, even, like, in the middle of like, he's, you know, waiting 847 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,260 for people to do their punches before, yeah, before he comes 848 00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:24,500 back to do like his overdub, and he just why he gets, puts the 849 00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:27,980 guitar down real quick, and just goes and gets all and we all 850 00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:30,860 know what's happening, so we all go, hey, yeah, smile. Make 851 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,240 sure we get our best side on there. So interesting, because 852 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,880 we're all over the place. You know, our roots are the things 853 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,200 we've done, our commonalities, but what was some of the first 854 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,260 bands that you got excited about? Like, for Jim and I was, 855 00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:46,540 like, for me, it was like, the police in Van Halen. For him, it 856 00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:48,880 was like, Van Halen rush, Dream Theater, kind of a thing. 857 00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:52,960 Well, my first bands were Huey Lewis in the news, Van Halen, 858 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,500 solid, yes, Ghostbusters soundtrack. Oh yeah, okay, man, 859 00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:02,400 that's kind of, he's, he's, I mean, Jim's kind of in that same 860 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,200 wheelhouse as me. A lot of those things do apply for me. Like, I 861 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,420 always tell people my earliest influences were movie 862 00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:11,700 soundtracks, and I'm talking about the orchestral So, you're 863 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:13,800 John Williams, you're Alan Silvestri, you're Jerry 864 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,120 Goldsmith, those guys, you know, Howard Shore, etc, etc. Those 865 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,860 were, like, my first things, because that was like, well, and 866 00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:24,980 even being like, you know, playing, bowing up, right? Like, 867 00:42:24,980 --> 00:42:27,440 even before that, like, even before I even dabble in that 868 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,800 thing, it was just something that viscerally hit me. And 869 00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:34,040 going to a movie, it was just like, the soundtrack hit me, and 870 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,080 my parents were, like, Uber supportive, because they're 871 00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:38,420 like, oh, it's kind of like classical music, but it's 872 00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:40,360 filtered through that lens. Well, without 873 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,300 that music, you'd have that Star Wars conclusion on the first 874 00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:46,240 movie that they made on the internet that they removed the 875 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:47,620 music and sent the sound 876 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,320 effects in. Oh, I gotta see that. I've not seen it. I've not 877 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,400 seen it, but I can imagine 878 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,700 all you hear is, like the music's completely taken out and 879 00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:58,240 they put like reverb effects were on their footsteps. You 880 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,700 hear somebody in the background going, somebody farts. 881 00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:07,680 But yeah, exactly, that's, that's, that's a big thing. So, 882 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,900 I mean, that's what I mean, that's some of the first thing 883 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,960 is me that wasn't just something that my parents liked or that 884 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,720 got me personally excited, yeah, and then from there, yeah, we 885 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,180 can branch into, like, you know, rock and roll and everything 886 00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:18,840 else. Like, 887 00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:21,740 I first think about you guys, first thing that comes to mind 888 00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:25,220 is that you and I, you know, I tell people I'm a rock drummer 889 00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:30,980 that is has an over education in jazz and classical, but I'm a 890 00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:33,680 rock drummer. I feel like it's a lot of times you're a rock bass 891 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,680 player like you, we have that we love our eighth notes, and we 892 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,740 lock so good on that. But is there something we wouldn't know 893 00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:42,400 about? Did you go through like, a James Jameson phase? Or, of 894 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,020 course, all the, you know, the the James Brown stuff, or, like, 895 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,020 what are some secret things that you just love and admire that 896 00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:52,180 are in the well that we wouldn't think, well, 897 00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:55,420 I mean, that's it well and again. But I would venture to 898 00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:57,640 guess you could, I challenge you to ask any other bass player, 899 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,860 and there's going to be that element as well, yeah, when we 900 00:43:59,860 --> 00:44:02,280 found James Jefferson specifically, or anything about 901 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,580 time, you know, Duck Dunn or, or any of those guys, you know, 902 00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:09,720 it's like, Ooh, this is, this is like a warm and fuzzy and it's 903 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,480 cool because it's like, oh, that's what makes you dance. 904 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,660 Yeah. Okay, so, I mean, obviously it started with that, 905 00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:18,600 with the James Brown in some, like, disco e kind of stuff, 906 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,220 Lewis Johnson, that kind of thing. But also then it kind of 907 00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:25,760 went into some other areas as well that were kind of adjacent. 908 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,500 So I just had one top my head, and I completely blanked. But I 909 00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:30,800 wonder 910 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,160 who the first bass player was in disco that did the deed up, deed 911 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,340 up, deep up the octave thing. God, 912 00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:40,540 I feel like I should know this. And I feel like people are like, 913 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,000 adding at me right now, listening to this, going like, 914 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,080 you should know this, and we'll 915 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,220 take it out. Yeah, 916 00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:48,880 you know, it's like, I blank, but I 917 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,980 don't know. Stu Yeah, I don't know either, but I mean, yeah, 918 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:52,060 exactly it. There's an 919 00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:54,940 evolution. There's the warm and fuzzies about that, in the funk, 920 00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:57,220 and then, oh, here was the one I was thinking of too, where it 921 00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:59,620 was, and this is kind of going into high school, getting into 922 00:44:59,620 --> 00:45:02,760 college. Time. But, you know, Rocco Prue from Tower of Power, 923 00:45:02,820 --> 00:45:05,640 oh, yeah, because it was like, the, okay, take, you know, the 924 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,100 Jameson thing, which has the cool sick of patience, but gives 925 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,740 you the warm and fuzzies, and give it another technical error 926 00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:15,180 as well. Yeah, exactly, yeah. But he knew how to make those. 927 00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:18,540 It's like, Yeah, but try to do that and make it feel good. Who 928 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,820 are the guys that played with a pick really well. Well, 929 00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:26,360 there's, you know, it. There's a lot of rock dudes that play well 930 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,940 with a pick, you know. And that's something that, again, 931 00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:31,700 that was a skill set I had to develop after the fact out of 932 00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:34,520 necessity. But now I use it on, I do, I do pick on country 933 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,740 sessions. Sometimes, you know, if it's appropriate, if it's 934 00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:41,500 appropriate, and sometimes it just is, you know. Now, I wish I 935 00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:41,920 slap 936 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,520 him. Slapping is that that's a tech, that's a technique. Is it 937 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,560 a technique that gets really rusty if you don't use it a lot, 938 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:50,680 it 939 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,960 can be. It depends on the person, because there's and 940 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,780 everybody, even within that people have different their own 941 00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:58,000 technique. Within slapping and popping, you know, where they're 942 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,720 positioning their hands is how they do it, or whatever. I mean, 943 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,260 you know, I mentioned Lewis Johnson earlier, you know who? 944 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,600 You know, he does a lot of stuff, but then he wound up 945 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,420 playing on Michael Jackson records, and he wasn't slapping 946 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:12,960 and popping on that, yeah, but, you know, brothers Johnson, he's 947 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,200 slapping the Jesus out of it. When were you in Boston again in 948 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,440 the 90s? Early mid 90s. Early mid 90s. Yeah. 949 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,400 So did you ever hear of any of the New York bands at all? 950 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,080 No, the one New York band like so there was a I had a gig. I 951 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,900 used to work at a club called the paradise when I was up in 952 00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:32,240 college. I interned there, and then they wound up hiring me for 953 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,360 a bit doing sound or being one of the sound guys there. And the 954 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,140 Paradise is the equivalent of exiting. Is here, it's been 955 00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:42,400 around the same amount of time, both national and local. X, the 956 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,740 one New York band that I actually heard, that I'd never 957 00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:47,080 heard before, and heard their show went like I'm getting their 958 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,200 record immediately, is called the Bogman. Interesting. They're 959 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,440 still around. I saw I follow them, and I saw they're still 960 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,540 posting, but they're very a New York centric band. 961 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,140 There's a band that I came up with in the 90s, in when I was 962 00:46:59,140 --> 00:47:01,860 with Connecticut white bread. There was another band we used 963 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:04,800 to play with a lot called jam syndicate. And I bring them up 964 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,400 from time to time. Yes, amazing band. Ahead of their time. They 965 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,060 just never really had their due. But the bass player was 966 00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:17,040 phenomenal. Alessandro Nardone, Sandy sardon, gotcha, Isabelle, 967 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:17,280 but 968 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,300 it does not but I'm definitely gonna check it out for sure. So 969 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,520 thanks for the tip on that. Yeah, I love checking out new 970 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,660 stuff, so, or stuff, no other 971 00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:26,540 stuff. I don't think it's on Spotify or anything you can find 972 00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:27,440 it on YouTube. Yeah, 973 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,500 yeah. There's nothing more painful than bad popping and 974 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:31,640 slapping, though. Oh, 975 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,580 there. There is, because there is the danger of overplaying 976 00:47:34,580 --> 00:47:36,800 like anything else. It's like, it's a technique, and you can 977 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,180 easily overplay and slapping 978 00:47:38,180 --> 00:47:41,260 and pop, but doing it out of time, well, that's the 979 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,160 that's No, that's a big no no, yeah, well, you can't slap it. 980 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,060 You got to stroke it. 981 00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:49,480 I'll see myself out. 982 00:47:52,780 --> 00:47:56,380 Thank you. There you go. It's like, how quiet did the room 983 00:47:56,380 --> 00:48:01,260 get? That was that amazing? Yeah? Well, anything, 984 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,780 everything, should be played in time. I mean, that's just like, 985 00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:05,820 I don't care how simple or anything. That's the key thing 986 00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:09,000 that separates, like, like the kids from the grown ups. It's 987 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,600 definitely like, feel something like a laborial Senior, you 988 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,120 know, who's a big influence on me being a bass player, you 989 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,300 know? He his whole mantra was always like, yeah, you could do 990 00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:20,960 that. And he's got all these techniques too, you know? And 991 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,960 he's like, I don't care. You can do that. You just do whatever 992 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,600 you want, just for the love of God, feel something Yeah, and 993 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,060 feel, make it feel. So, you know, make it feel. Yeah. 994 00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:32,060 Here's a observation on something recent that was in the 995 00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:34,820 news with a bass player and a professional drummer, both 996 00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:37,940 professionals. What is your take on the whole Primus thing? 997 00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:40,520 Finding a drummer being that, you know, are you a less clay 998 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,440 pool guy? I 999 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,580 am, yeah, I saw, I saw les live in 91 open for 1000 00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:49,240 rush. I remember that. Yeah, that was on the roll the bones 1001 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:49,660 tour. Yes, 1002 00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:52,540 it was. And I saw that show twice in Florida. I was still, 1003 00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:56,080 still in Florida before college, but I remember seeing that, but 1004 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,480 already he had made waves just because his technique was 1005 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,560 unorthodox, especially in more, shall I say, commercial base, 1006 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,260 taking the lead. Yeah, exactly. They're not a commercial band, 1007 00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:06,900 per se, but they got the notoriety, so they got in that 1008 00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:09,540 thing. So obviously we had to see that. But that was the first 1009 00:49:09,540 --> 00:49:11,760 time I saw them. And you want to talk about a guy again, 1010 00:49:11,820 --> 00:49:14,040 unorthodox technique, or a different technique, or 1011 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,100 whatever, his timing is, impeccable, yeah, that's the one 1012 00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:19,440 thing, because they just let him fly. He starts a song, just 1013 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,980 slapping and popping himself. And you're like, yeah, the you 1014 00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:25,040 know, Tim, Herb Alexander and those guys, you know, or Larry 1015 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,980 Leland, are just like, we don't need a count off. We know where 1016 00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:30,440 it's at. He just said it, and it's perfect. His timing is 1017 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:30,740 great. 1018 00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:34,580 It's amazing. Is, am I right in saying that this is almost like 1019 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,300 they're making the audition. It's almost like a publicity 1020 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,900 junket. It's almost like they're making it like national news, 1021 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:43,960 Primus is looking for a new drummer. Yeah, kind of like, who 1022 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,600 did that? Dream Theater did it? Dream Theater made 1023 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,760 it. They made a whole documentary on it. Yeah, you 1024 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,600 remember that? Yeah, are you a big John my young guy as well? I 1025 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,180 do like John my young again, very different thing, or 1026 00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:58,240 whatever. It's not, it's, it's right, it's the right thing for 1027 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,480 that band. It's not the right thing for ever. Thing. But you 1028 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,140 remember when Smashing Pumpkins also hired the kid from 1029 00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:08,640 McDonald's for a drummer. The kid was working at McDonald's, 1030 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,560 and after Jimmy Chamberlain left, right, right, the Billy 1031 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,460 Corgan hired a kid that was working at McDonald's to be the 1032 00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:20,300 new drummer in Smashing Pumpkins. Do you remember that 1033 00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,120 Jim, it was, I don't remember that was also national news. So 1034 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,460 it's actually kind of a smart thing, because all these 1035 00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:29,240 drummers are coming out of the woodwork. Some are very 1036 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,640 underground and unknown drummers, and some are very 1037 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,160 established, and some are household names. They're all 1038 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,800 auditioning. Dude. There's a, I mean, we have a bunch of mutual 1039 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,200 friends that sent in an audition tape. What the heck? Why not? We 1040 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,720 mentioned Keo earlier. He did it. Did 1041 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:45,520 he? I mean, what somebody's going to get the gig? You 1042 00:50:45,820 --> 00:50:50,440 somebody got the gig. Who was it? It's a he went with somebody 1043 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,280 he had experience with, course, Brian, brain, mancia, oh, 1044 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,460 brain, but he's already done the gig. And to be honest with you, 1045 00:50:57,460 --> 00:51:00,420 it's like, it's me, when Tim, like, quit before this whole 1046 00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:02,880 audition thing. I'm like, Surely he's going to be the new 1047 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,140 drummer, because he's already been 1048 00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:06,840 the drummer. Yeah, you know, that whole thing. And then just 1049 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,940 make a phone call to somebody, you know, I think I got two 1050 00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:09,300 reasons 1051 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:11,400 on that. One, publicity you mentioned earlier. The other 1052 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,920 thing is, like, it's an excuse. Going, like, oh, I never heard 1053 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,440 of this guy. It's good. I'm discovering new talent, mining 1054 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,140 talent. Mining talent. So that way, even though you might not 1055 00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:22,640 take them into your main gig, you might be able to partition 1056 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,780 them off to another gig. I'd 1057 00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:27,140 be curious to interview less about that, and kind of like 1058 00:51:27,140 --> 00:51:30,740 really get into the nitty gritty and say, was it because this guy 1059 00:51:30,740 --> 00:51:34,700 had time in the trenches and that kind of gritty upbringing, 1060 00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:37,700 maybe played in the garage band? Because there's a lot of people 1061 00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:40,960 that did apply for the gig, who are Instagram drummers, of 1062 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,300 course, who have come up through that route. There's 1063 00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:45,160 some Nepo babies that I'll get into, you 1064 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,100 know, just, you know, they're not exactly seasoned, you 1065 00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:51,220 know, no, they're not. And we've seen, and now we do live in the 1066 00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:53,860 day and age where we've seen some of those people getting 1067 00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:57,340 those gigs. Yeah, we there's a bachelor and drums specifically, 1068 00:51:57,340 --> 00:52:01,440 but in other avenues as well, where they found them on 1069 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,780 Instagram because they had a kajillion followers, or 1070 00:52:03,780 --> 00:52:06,060 something like that, right? But that doesn't make them good. No, 1071 00:52:06,060 --> 00:52:09,720 not necessarily, but sometimes, and I mean, I might be thinking 1072 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:12,000 this more like conspiracy theory, but it might be one of 1073 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,820 those situations where they're thinking, hey, we can get some 1074 00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:17,460 extra publicity, because they already have built in publicity. 1075 00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:17,880 Okay, 1076 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,360 maybe Jones. Yeah. Wow. Okay, so 1077 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,000 actually, yeah, funny that you say that because there is a 1078 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,000 drummer out there, and he's, I think he's been featured on 1079 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,460 drumeo and stuff like that. I can't remember his name, but I 1080 00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:34,040 believe he's Spanish or Italian, but he's, he's just got these, 1081 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,480 he's got all the chops, very clinical speed off the charts. 1082 00:52:38,780 --> 00:52:42,640 And he does like renditions, like he did, Tom Sawyer, yeah? 1083 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,980 Spanish guy, yeah, yeah. I don't know, I don't remember his name, 1084 00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:48,580 but he's, he's one of these guys who, yeah, dude, you can 1085 00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:51,460 overplay the crap out of it, but you just completely remove, 1086 00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:53,860 remove the soul of that song. Yeah, you took, you ripped it 1087 00:52:53,860 --> 00:52:56,440 right out. He got murdered in the cup. So 1088 00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,540 many shops. But for what? So many chops, what? Well, he's 1089 00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:02,220 making a great living because he's selling 1090 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,180 mugs, hats, hoodies. There's 1091 00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:09,360 that, yeah, and well, and also a lot of the younger folks now, 1092 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,780 they see that as a viable avenue of of of occupation. You're 1093 00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:15,120 like, wow, I could just set up cameras and lighting in my 1094 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,020 space. Come down here, create content, sell product, run a 1095 00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:22,280 business. Have the notoriety. Get the free gear. They don't 1096 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,620 have to jump on a tour bus. They don't have to jump into a van. 1097 00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:27,980 They don't have to sleep at the, I mean, the Holiday Inn, yeah, 1098 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:31,340 with the one with the pool in the middle, that's really noisy 1099 00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:34,100 with the kids. You know, it smells like chlorine. They don't 1100 00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,200 have to do any of that rich. It's funny, 1101 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,800 because you're seeing a lot of ideas that, quite frankly, you 1102 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,600 and I thought of, yes, we tried one. Which one the drumming 1103 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,900 roulette idea? Remember that years ago, where I'd throw songs 1104 00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:48,580 at you, oh, yeah, and you had to play them. 1105 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:54,160 But my thing was, right, you could play at them, but I am 1106 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,920 just such a stickler for meticulousness and learning a 1107 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,460 song. 1108 00:53:57,580 --> 00:54:00,060 You're not an ideal candidate to be in the seat. Yeah, you're a 1109 00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:04,380 host, but the whole idea of host it, you should totally host it. 1110 00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:04,680 Okay, 1111 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,060 that's your friend, but you 1112 00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:09,660 definitely want Kevin Murphy on the panel, right? Oh, 1113 00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:12,960 God, right. He would, yeah. 1114 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,280 Well, and also, well, look, and Kevin is, like, we know Kevin is 1115 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,460 a person, but as a player, you know he's also, He's amazing. 1116 00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:22,800 He's worth the salt. And that's like, it's one of those guys is, 1117 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,120 like, that's like, you know, it's, you know, he says things 1118 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,400 that we wish we could say. He's just like, whatever this does 1119 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,800 not care. He doesn't care. He's given him. But it's, but at the 1120 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,080 same time, it's just like, you know, there's so many other 1121 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,200 people that try to pull that and don't have the goods to back it 1122 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,480 up. And I go, Well, Kevin, you're not wrong, and you're 1123 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,000 really good. You're an amazing player. And I love, I love 1124 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,040 hanging and playing with that guy whenever I got that 1125 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,180 opportunity. Yeah, years ago, 1126 00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:48,400 I remember we were doing a double bill. He's playing with 1127 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,420 Josh Grayson, and he was just that sounds like he's just like, 1128 00:54:52,420 --> 00:54:55,720 doing a one handed role on this hand that he did a one handed 1129 00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,720 role between his right hand and his right foot. And like, I'm 1130 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,340 like, Oh my God, you're. Crazy buddy, you're gonna get fired. 1131 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,860 Don't use that well. 1132 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,700 He's also the first guy to go like he knows enough not to, you 1133 00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:10,920 know, he knows when and where to do it. That's another push the 1134 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,040 envelope, yeah, but that that's also that skill set, and 1135 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,500 whatever I think makes is what makes you a good not just good 1136 00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:19,320 drummer or good musician. It's like you you've got that skill 1137 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,140 that's great, but you know not to do well, you've 1138 00:55:21,140 --> 00:55:23,480 been on a million sessions with a million cats. I mean, you're 1139 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,820 working with everybody from, you know, like on one day you might 1140 00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:28,340 be working with me, another day you're working with Dan Needham, 1141 00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:30,860 another day you're working with Andy Hull. 1142 00:55:32,060 --> 00:55:34,760 What are some of the skills we didn't address something? What I 1143 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,680 was down a little rabbit trick. Oh, 1144 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,800 shoot. We'll come, come back to me. Let's finish this drumming 1145 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,680 roulette thing. The drumming roulette. But you see, I 1146 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,120 apologize, guys, that's right. 1147 00:55:44,140 --> 00:55:47,860 Drumeo has kind of taken that concept where they get these big 1148 00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:51,640 name drummers sitting in and then, like, they took Mike 1149 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,740 Portnoy, and he had played a bunch of his stuff, they 1150 00:55:53,740 --> 00:55:56,200 interviewed him, and then they threw like a tool song at him. 1151 00:55:56,260 --> 00:56:00,600 Yeah, that's right, right? I have for 3045, minutes. He sat 1152 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,400 there learning it. Well, they threw 1153 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,040 a couple like, and I think it's, it's a very entertaining 1154 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,620 concept, because you're going to take a drummer who's known for a 1155 00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:11,280 certain genre and throw the complete opposite genre and go 1156 00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:14,520 try this, right? And sometimes it's like, the results, the ones 1157 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,980 that I've seen is like, Oh, that's a that's not the right 1158 00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:18,180 part, but that's a cool approach. 1159 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,220 It's amazing to watch because they're, they're, they're, 1160 00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:24,560 they're just willing to put themselves out there. You know, 1161 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,260 they don't have to do that, yeah, but I love the fact that 1162 00:56:27,260 --> 00:56:27,620 they do. 1163 00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:31,340 It's a little, it's a, you know, actually have a clinic coming up 1164 00:56:31,340 --> 00:56:33,920 in Albany, and hopeful all the flights make it and everything 1165 00:56:33,980 --> 00:56:38,660 with all this winter, get winter, get them. But snowball 1166 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,620 winter snow gets Yeah. Anyways, if I make it there and 1167 00:56:41,620 --> 00:56:43,780 everything works, great. It's going to be one, you know, one 1168 00:56:43,780 --> 00:56:47,680 of my little one man shows, and the host is a great friend of 1169 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,500 mine, Bobby angeletta, who's a drummer, and he's got a rock 1170 00:56:50,500 --> 00:56:52,840 band that he's had forever. He's been playing with these guys 1171 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,960 forever, and he's going to have his rock band there, and I am 1172 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,560 going to chart out on the spot one of their songs I've never 1173 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,880 heard, and play it with the band. Nice. That was his idea. 1174 00:57:03,060 --> 00:57:06,060 We good idea. Can you get that videoed while I have another 1175 00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:10,380 friend? Stan Z, what's up? Stan is completely ignored. Stan is 1176 00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:13,920 so no, no. Stan Z, he's your friend. Is a great drummer, but 1177 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,920 he's, he's a videographer, like a professional videographer, 1178 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,900 that a new shirt, and he's gonna come out and film it. So, Jim, 1179 00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:23,780 I'm answering your question. Stan z is gonna come 1180 00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:24,980 out film Jim McCarthy 1181 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,620 at the first voice first rules podcast interviewing is 1182 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,360 listening. What were you saying? Anyways? 1183 00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:33,680 Okay, so go back to your your this television show that in the 1184 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,240 making? Well, we 1185 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,300 have the idea talk about this. I don't think we should. I think 1186 00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:40,780 we got to keep it under wraps. Okay, that's our little idea we 1187 00:57:40,780 --> 00:57:41,560 could talk to 1188 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,140 copyright first. Yeah, who did you ask for? 1189 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:49,480 Luis? Luis, yeah. Okay. One time he said, my name is not Lois. I 1190 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,000 said, Luis, yeah, there you go. He said, Yeah, you did. But what 1191 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,840 time the fact 1192 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,180 that you called me out on this, that's great. I'm 1193 00:57:55,180 --> 00:57:57,460 used to it. I get it all the time. 1194 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,680 One time I spelled it, l, o, u, i s, by accident. And you're 1195 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,120 like, well, first of all, I'm not Lois, 1196 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,940 yeah. Well, I get that at Starbucks all the time, so I'm 1197 00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:07,500 used to, like, Mitch 1198 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,460 Mitch Mitch Mitch Redman, Mitch Redman, 1199 00:58:11,580 --> 00:58:13,740 God, I love that. That's, that's, I'm putting that in my 1200 00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:15,600 phone now, yes, I don't really go to Starbucks, so, 1201 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,820 I mean, I don't know what I would get. Probably dick. 1202 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,600 You want a dark Dick rose. Valid question again. That's Jim at 1203 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,160 Jim McCarthy voiceovers.com, all your Starbucks now we return to 1204 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,140 the show after the fact. He talks about his time his 1205 00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:35,960 friendship with Diddy. Okay. Yes. Continue. So yeah, 1206 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,220 yeah, go back to your idea this time. Are we going to talk about 1207 00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:45,220 it? Well, here's the thing, I think that if we talk about any 1208 00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:48,040 of these ideas, yeah, they could be stolen. Totally, 1209 00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:51,100 yeah, probably valid. Keep it under wraps that way, just to 1210 00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:51,700 get someone 1211 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,060 signs an idea worth pursuing, basically, 1212 00:58:55,060 --> 00:58:58,600 I'm the host. No, Kevin Murphy is going to be on the panel. 1213 00:58:58,780 --> 00:58:59,260 There's going 1214 00:58:59,260 --> 00:59:02,460 to be a panel. This is glorious sorts. I whatever you're 1215 00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:06,360 selling. Sign me up. Yeah, you just said panel. You Kevin 1216 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,080 Murphy, and then he 1217 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,200 could be a guest panelist as the 1218 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,260 non drummer representative, the rep, but you have a rhythmic 1219 00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:14,520 sensibility, so big time. 1220 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,160 I'd love to sure if that's the case. I'm in so with the 1221 00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:22,980 with the Dominican roots, yes, did you? Did you ever have that? 1222 00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:27,140 Tell everybody. And this goes 1223 00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:29,600 for you too, Jim. 1224 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,920 I love the fact you mentioned panels. You just made me flash 1225 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,760 back to a panel you and I were on back in like, 2008 Belmont, 1226 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,380 so rich and I were on a panel. And when we're going around the 1227 00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:43,900 horn, introducing ourselves and who we work with, trying to do 1228 00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:46,300 the resume thing, or whatever I mentioned at that time because 1229 00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:49,540 I'd worked with Jamie O'Neill. Yeah, every time I mentioned a 1230 00:59:49,540 --> 00:59:52,900 name that I had worked with or was working with, rich 1231 00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:55,600 immediately started mouthing a drum part from one of their 1232 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,880 things. There is no Arizona, yeah, that's exactly Jamie 1233 00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,920 O'Neill. And you start doing that, I'm like, yeah, that song. 1234 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,180 It was, and it's so funny because the students are just 1235 01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:05,460 like, arms crossed, just like, All right, get on. 1236 01:00:05,580 --> 01:00:08,880 Just entitled Belmont. Kids, come on. Kids, it's like, 1237 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:09,720 lighting up. People, 1238 01:00:10,860 --> 01:00:12,660 sorry, where were we rich? Is 1239 01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:15,180 world class at that? Oh, you know what? I mean, you could 1240 01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:18,720 verbalize and vocalize drum parts like nobody's business. 1241 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,860 Oh, he's really good at it. I mean, I admire most drummers I 1242 01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:25,160 know are good at it, but they have their own version of it, 1243 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,920 and Rich's version, like, is very you can first of all 1244 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,440 understand exactly what he's talking about, right? But it's 1245 01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,380 rich doing it. So again, the comedy timing thing, it's like, 1246 01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:35,240 you just have to kind of give giggle a little 1247 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,460 bit. The first time he told me he's like, Oh yeah, falling 1248 01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:40,280 rocks. I'm like, Oh my gosh, that's exactly what it sounds 1249 01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:43,480 like, Absolutely. Sneakers in 1250 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,640 a dryer. Yeah, see that kind of stuff. I 1251 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,620 love when it slows down. And the best was 1252 01:00:48,940 --> 01:00:50,860 Pat Boone. Debbie Boone, that's 1253 01:00:50,860 --> 01:00:54,640 how you buy a house, kids, bucket of fish. We also have 1254 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,480 kind of, like, a, you know, a quick language where I'm like, 1255 01:00:58,540 --> 01:01:00,720 hey, you know, because we're a lot of times we're not, it ain't 1256 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,780 rocket science. We're playing straight eighth, like a ballad 1257 01:01:03,780 --> 01:01:07,200 or something. Mid temple. I'm like, Hey, intro, binka, pink 1258 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,760 pinka. First verse, pinka, pinka, pinka, pink binca. Pre 1259 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,540 chorus, pink binka. And then when we get to the chorus, four 1260 01:01:15,540 --> 01:01:18,780 on the floor, and he's like, got it, he writes it in, boom, we're 1261 01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:20,220 done, you know? And that 1262 01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:22,400 works. And it's really, it really does work that way. And 1263 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,160 it's, it sounds silly if you're on the outside looking in, but 1264 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,380 honestly, it's like, oh, okay, cool. Then we just saved a lot 1265 01:01:27,380 --> 01:01:29,900 of time me trying to figure out your kick drum pattern. Did you 1266 01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:32,840 do that with other drummers occasionally? Yeah, I've had to 1267 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,060 do that with some other drummers that you can tell. It's like, 1268 01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:37,220 fishing. And then it's like, one of like, Hey, man, I got an 1269 01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:38,180 idea. How about this? And 1270 01:01:38,180 --> 01:01:40,540 I go, what kick drum pattern? Or are you going to play, 1271 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,120 yeah. Boom, smack, boom, boom, smack. Yeah. Just, how about 1272 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,280 boom, smack, boom, boom, smack. In this one, just, boom, smack, 1273 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:46,660 boom, smack. And we're good, yeah, there was 1274 01:01:46,660 --> 01:01:51,340 one time I, you call them the money beats, yeah. And I was 1275 01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:55,060 watching an off episode of The Office, and Dwight actually 1276 01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:57,880 talks about, you know, him being a beat farmer. He says, you 1277 01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,980 know, we don't take the bad beats. We it's like the bad 1278 01:01:59,980 --> 01:02:02,640 beats we put down. We put the beats out and by the road that 1279 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,640 are the that attract the most attention, something along the 1280 01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,820 lines of that. He goes, those are our money beats. I'm like, 1281 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,880 Oh my gosh. Well, we got to pull that 1282 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,360 clip. You have to use that as a and I should put it on my 1283 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:16,140 website. You 1284 01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:18,960 should totally do Yeah, let's just get a trademark before this 1285 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,280 episode comes out. Okay, let's 1286 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,020 do that, Jim, making friends everywhere. Yeah. Anyways, 1287 01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:26,120 speaking of what, you were asking me about the Latino 1288 01:02:26,420 --> 01:02:30,260 stuff, but I digress. Yes, that is so there was a big portion of 1289 01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:33,140 that, and I was trying, I was gonna reference it earlier, but 1290 01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:35,720 obviously, growing up in that household, and that was very 1291 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,620 president, so present, not President. Sorry. English, well, 1292 01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:41,860 that's on your mind right now, it's not everyone's mind, 1293 01:02:41,860 --> 01:02:44,440 exactly we're talking about, yeah. So it's, it's one of those 1294 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,680 things where, you know, when I first moved to the town there, I 1295 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,380 got involved with the salsa band pretty quickly, like there was a 1296 01:02:50,380 --> 01:02:52,240 thing, and it was one of those, had I have I played a 1297 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,020 professional before at that point? No, but I knew enough 1298 01:02:56,020 --> 01:02:58,420 because of osmosis. And just, you know, part of the thing of 1299 01:02:58,420 --> 01:03:00,460 learning a song, you know, the majority that's listening. 1300 01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:02,640 That's the key thing. Is listening like, if you know, 1301 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,160 more than anything else, than figuring out the notes, figuring 1302 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,460 out your part, if you listen to something repetitively, you know 1303 01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:10,920 you already in your brain, kind of already know what you have to 1304 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,460 do on your instrument. So a lot of those Latin rhythms were 1305 01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:16,920 natural to me, just because I had heard it for so long, 1306 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,540 immersion, immersion in that, you know, and specifically with 1307 01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:24,080 like, we said, Dominican, like, it's merengue, which is kind of 1308 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:30,740 like, it's very much like a four on the floor on steroids, you 1309 01:03:30,740 --> 01:03:33,680 know? And it very and that's it. So I was like that, that part 1310 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,380 sees, because everybody talks about Latino music in the COVID 1311 01:03:36,380 --> 01:03:39,260 and and that little pushed for feel, especially for bass, like 1312 01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:42,280 hitting the downbeat, like an eighth note before the actual 1313 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,360 downbeat, that kind of stuff. So yeah, all that stuff. Again, 1314 01:03:46,420 --> 01:03:50,440 that was my lesson as a musician to, like, listen, 1315 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,380 was that here in Nashville with Lalo Davila, his band? I did 1316 01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:53,740 play with 1317 01:03:53,740 --> 01:03:56,380 Lalo, but that was after that. This was this gig. Was 1318 01:03:56,380 --> 01:03:59,440 beforehand. This was near early, early aughts, and this was, 1319 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,120 there was a place in printers alley called Club caliente. Oh, 1320 01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:06,120 and it's now where the underground places that British 1321 01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:09,660 pub is, and that was run by a couple people, a couple from 1322 01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:12,180 Columbia, who are dance instructors, nice, and they 1323 01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:14,820 hired me and a bunch of people like we made a salsa band and 1324 01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:17,100 had a weekly gig there. Awesome. And it was great because it 1325 01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,540 built the repertoire. My reading chops got better, and just 1326 01:04:20,540 --> 01:04:23,660 playing with four percussionists was always a blast. Oh, 1327 01:04:23,660 --> 01:04:25,940 my god, yeah, because it's like, because when we, when we play 1328 01:04:25,940 --> 01:04:28,520 Latin rhythms on a drum set, Jim, we're basically 1329 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,480 impersonating four people. But if you have the four, if you So, 1330 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,780 you got a conga row, you got a bun Garo, you got a guy that's 1331 01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:42,580 playing, maybe the the playing, or maybe cowbell, yeah, and then 1332 01:04:42,580 --> 01:04:45,160 you got a guy playing Tim Bali, and it's all broken up, 1333 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,940 you know, who's actually a drummer who has got a lot of 1334 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,500 Cuban influence, and it comes out in his music. Take a wild 1335 01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:53,860 guess. 1336 01:04:54,580 --> 01:04:58,180 At least expected he's Jr. No, 1337 01:04:58,180 --> 01:05:03,060 it's not. You. Always, he actually is Cuban, but does not 1338 01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:05,580 really have a typical Cuban name. It's almost an Italian 1339 01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:07,920 name. It kind of is a thing. Well, I'm thinking 1340 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,920 of one guy in particular, but he's a bass player. And this is 1341 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,420 somebody's rock bass player, but 1342 01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:16,440 somebody has been on our show. No, this guy is a drummer, 1343 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:20,040 renowned Heavy Metal, speed metal drummer, 1344 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,460 Dave Lombardo, Yep, there you go. Wow. Okay, yeah, nice, 1345 01:05:25,460 --> 01:05:29,480 because you can actually hear the Cuban influence, yeah, yep. 1346 01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:33,200 He'll do that kind of stuff. Like, over like, he'll be like, 1347 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,080 you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 1348 01:05:36,140 --> 01:05:38,240 yeah. So he's got all that to add to the right. See, that's 1349 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,240 the thing is, like, listen, listen, listen, the things 1350 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,240 incorporate everything. You get cool crap like that, totally, 1351 01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:46,360 totally, and then, and, yeah, I'm sure you had a jazz period, 1352 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,120 like a straight ahead jazz period. And now the funny thing 1353 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,580 is, if I had to choose between, like, I love playing big band, 1354 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,640 but if I had to choose between playing straight ahead, small 1355 01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:01,500 group, bebop or 70s, 80s, 90s, fusion, I'm always going towards 1356 01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:05,460 fusion. Why is that? I just, I mean, I love swing, but I'm not 1357 01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:08,700 as crazy about playing small group swing as I am big bad, 1358 01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:12,180 oh, because it's a bigger thing, and there's more, I guess, more 1359 01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:15,240 for you to do, per se, more different things 1360 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,540 so sexy and powerful about that amount of people working 1361 01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:21,860 collectively. You know, April in Paris, you know, 1362 01:06:25,340 --> 01:06:28,760 just I never tell you about the time I used to get really upset 1363 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,120 at the haters. Used to get on YouTube, yeah, because they 1364 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,640 thought all you could do was that, yeah, like the country 1365 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,580 stuff, all right? And I'm like, You have not seen 1366 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,140 a percentage of what this guy can do. 1367 01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:44,680 But in their defense, what have I done to show the world I can 1368 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,200 do it? I haven't done it. I haven't put out my jazz fusion 1369 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,240 record, but sometimes the jazz group, but 1370 01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,240 I've seen something of you. It's like an old VHS tape where 1371 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,760 you're doing, like, fusion stuff. Oh yeah, you 1372 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,040 were you're one o'clock, weren't you? Yeah, you see, there you 1373 01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,560 go. I mean that alone, like that carries weight. And what I'm 1374 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,800 talking about is the whole thing. When you when you say, 1375 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,020 Oh, you're one o'clock, it means you're in the one o'clock band 1376 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:07,320 at North Texas State, which is the heavy jazz, like, cream of 1377 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,740 the crop guys. So it's one of those things where that's almost 1378 01:07:10,740 --> 01:07:13,560 like a calling card amongst the musical communities. Like, 1379 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,780 that's why I just said it now is like, you're one o'clock, 1380 01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:18,780 even, most of the guys go on. He's gonna play jazz 1381 01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:21,800 professional. Of course they do. And I like, I'm going to play 1382 01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:22,640 country 1383 01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,980 and west. There's nothing wrong with that. Bissonnette was 1384 01:07:24,980 --> 01:07:25,760 right, yeah, yeah. And 1385 01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,620 then when you think of Bissonnette, yeah, I mean, he's 1386 01:07:27,620 --> 01:07:30,320 great, Swingers, small, great, covers all the bases. But you 1387 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,440 know, when I think of Greg, I think about David Lee Roth, of 1388 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:34,280 course. Well, that's 1389 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,680 what you saw him. That's the thing. Is, like, we always 1390 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,740 associate, and people do this and they want to pigeonhole you 1391 01:07:39,740 --> 01:07:42,820 naturally, and it's just like, with you, it's like, the country 1392 01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:44,740 thing, because they saw you probably with Aldine, yeah? You 1393 01:07:44,740 --> 01:07:46,840 know, it's like, yeah, but you know, he does other things too, 1394 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,800 and I've, we've all been there, yeah? And ask whoever, like this 1395 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,080 person might know me from this, and this person might know me 1396 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,180 from that. It's like, oh, I didn't realize you did. You 1397 01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:57,640 know, the first time I walked into the Christmas rehearsal, 1398 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,280 Lindsey Miller, who was also one o'clock, you know, she knew 1399 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,700 about me. We knew each other. We never worked before, but she's 1400 01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:05,820 like, the motion was, like, she comes, like, I didn't realize 1401 01:08:05,820 --> 01:08:08,760 you did this. Meaning, you know, I'm air basing an upright bass, 1402 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,520 taking it for a walk, because she seen me do, like, session 1403 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,740 work for country artists, yeah, whatever. It's like, No. Or she 1404 01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:15,900 saw me with a rock thing, you know, she didn't. It's like, 1405 01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:21,560 yeah, we, I think all of us, basically, you can take a panel 1406 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,400 of everybody working musicians nowadays, and most everybody 1407 01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,220 what I is what I consider overqualified, yeah, meaning 1408 01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:30,980 that, and they're not one trick ponies, like they have the skill 1409 01:08:30,980 --> 01:08:33,620 sets obviously some people like, well, I don't do Latin jazz as 1410 01:08:33,620 --> 01:08:36,680 well as this guy, sure, but they're not just one trick 1411 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,160 ponies. It's 1412 01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:39,859 hard to keep everything all polished up. And equally, I was 1413 01:08:39,859 --> 01:08:40,579 gonna sharp, 1414 01:08:40,580 --> 01:08:43,780 yeah. I mean, very, how long is will it take you to snap back 1415 01:08:43,780 --> 01:08:46,300 into full fusion swing mode? Oh, 1416 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,280 just practice the material a couple afternoons and make sure 1417 01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,680 that I get the sticks in my hands like riding a 1418 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,820 bike, kind of or, 1419 01:08:54,819 --> 01:08:56,139 yeah, is it? I think so? 1420 01:08:56,380 --> 01:08:58,840 Well, I mean, look, a good musician is a good musician, is 1421 01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,700 a good musician, even if there is an idiom or a genre style 1422 01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:06,000 that you're not familiar with, you know your instrument, you 1423 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,820 know the approach. So it would be a matter of, Hey, I just need 1424 01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:12,420 to study up. I need to listen. I need to do this and then figure 1425 01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:13,140 it out. You know, 1426 01:09:13,260 --> 01:09:17,580 is this something that you do in preparation for gigs? For me to 1427 01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:20,420 learn stuff, I will chart it out, because by charting it 1428 01:09:20,420 --> 01:09:25,040 helps me learn it, and it helps me create a mental snapshot in 1429 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,560 my mind. I could see the chart in my mind's eye. Then the other 1430 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,920 thing that I do, over the course of however much I time I have 1431 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,980 leading up to the gig, I will do the immersion thing. So 1432 01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,880 commuting, listening to the material, working out, listening 1433 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,540 to material, cleaning the house, listening to the material. So so 1434 01:09:40,540 --> 01:09:43,720 it's in my DNA in a deep way, very 1435 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,640 much, 100% 110% yes, it's everything. I mean, it's it that 1436 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,920 is in the last you know, I kind of came off touring in 2020 and 1437 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,200 I've been such a guy, but I've subbed in a bunch, yeah. So 1438 01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,660 anytime there's a sub opportunity, it's That's exactly 1439 01:09:58,660 --> 01:10:01,440 it is. Like I told you. About going for a walk. It's just like 1440 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:03,780 throwing the earbuds, go for a walk and just put, you know, 1441 01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:06,300 create a playlist. Now that we can create playlists just like, 1442 01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:09,660 okay, they sent me a set list, and I don't have recordings, but 1443 01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:12,660 I have stuff off of the streaming services. And just 1444 01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:15,600 make your playlist, put them in order, let it run. Yeah, you 1445 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,000 know, it's amazing. And, yeah, it's just literally listening 1446 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,500 and listening. And when it comes time to have to sit at home and 1447 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,380 with my instrument on to play. It's like, I already know this 1448 01:10:24,380 --> 01:10:26,840 is the key of G. It sounds like, Gee, I'm in the ballpark, you 1449 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,660 know, it's that much, you know, I did that specifically. I 1450 01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:31,700 subbed in speed and Kevin Murphy, I subbed him for John 1451 01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:35,480 party for about a month in 21 and it was one of those, like, I 1452 01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:39,740 remember going for a walk, earbuds just on repeat, the set 1453 01:10:39,860 --> 01:10:42,760 immersion, you know, did, did that with Tom Kiefer, you know, 1454 01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:45,220 immersion. Here's the set. All right, cool. You know, that's 1455 01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:46,720 all on streaming here. There 1456 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,240 you go. Yeah, hey, we had sterile on, and you guys were in 1457 01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:50,800 the Guess who together. Oh yeah, see, there 1458 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,140 was another one. The same thing. It was like, when I got called 1459 01:10:53,140 --> 01:10:56,860 in for that, because that was thanks to both stereo and Troy 1460 01:10:56,860 --> 01:10:59,500 laketa, who called me for that. Yeah, even though Troy is like, 1461 01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:03,540 kind of also sub guy for that gig. And same thing, it was just 1462 01:11:03,540 --> 01:11:06,060 like, Okay, we know, like, and it's one of those, like, I went 1463 01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:08,640 through the list and immersion, like, I knew American woman, 1464 01:11:08,820 --> 01:11:11,760 obviously, you know. But I didn't realize, like, Oh, I do 1465 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,060 know some of their stuff. I know no sugar tonight. I know no 1466 01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:17,520 time. I you know, some of these other things that were like, 1467 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,900 kind of hits, and these eyes, you know. And I completely 1468 01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:21,260 forgot 1469 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,220 Jesus, which, by the way, 1470 01:11:25,220 --> 01:11:29,960 deceptively hard for both drums and bass. Yeah. Like Gary 1471 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,240 Peterson, the original drummer from the guests who, like, 1472 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,940 called me out, like normal, nicest guy in the world. He 1473 01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:37,820 knows his stuff, and he's coming up on 80 and he's been drumming 1474 01:11:37,820 --> 01:11:40,660 since he was good kid. He's Yeah, and he still plays double 1475 01:11:40,660 --> 01:11:45,460 kick at like, 7770 Awesome. Yeah, great. But he was the 1476 01:11:45,460 --> 01:11:47,560 first one to go like, Hey, man, you're not playing the feel 1477 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,520 right? He's like, Oh, and I'm I literally like, because you 1478 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,760 think of that Doom, doo, doo. Doo is the baseline. It's you 1479 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,700 can hear it, but you don't think about how it swings. And it 1480 01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:59,800 literally was like, I'm playing your eyes, like you're not 1481 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,940 swinging hard enough for it. And I literally went and listened 1482 01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:05,940 about the third list. I'm like, oh, that's what he's talking 1483 01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:08,340 you mean the subdivision between back at ACT, 1484 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,180 yeah, it's almost like, like, we think Doom, doo, doo. Doo is 1485 01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,080 bat, Duba da. It's like, there's a swing, you know? So me even 1486 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,320 verbalizing it that way, that's stupid. At, yeah, exactly puts 1487 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,920 you in that mindset, even though, like, the notes are 1488 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,440 timing in the same spot, but it's how you get there, the 1489 01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:25,940 swing, yeah, what I was playing 1490 01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:29,360 the other night with Chicago. There you go. That does that. 1491 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:29,780 Oh, 1492 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,180 so all the watch, that's 1493 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:34,160 kind of all the 1494 01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:40,100 David Foster stuff. David Foster and that stuff is slow. 1495 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,700 That's a skill in itself, 1496 01:12:45,340 --> 01:12:48,040 with the gated reverb stuff and all that space 1497 01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,640 I'm just flashing back to the last 1516, 1718, years like him. 1498 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,380 Like, every time he's like, oh yeah, oh god, it's like, like, 1499 01:12:59,380 --> 01:13:02,400 if anything, he must verbalize, you can definitely verbalize a 1500 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,660 snare with a ton of reverb. 1501 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,160 Now, you mentioned earlier voiceover, yes, for me, or 1502 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,760 did you, have you done it? No, I, I've dabbled in it because 1503 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:12,420 you've got 1504 01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:15,180 a you've got it like a very you've got a good voice, and you 1505 01:13:15,180 --> 01:13:17,880 have the ham factor. Oh, thank 1506 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,620 okay. This is natural ham. Yeah, 1507 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,060 well, I, the first time I got to dabble in it was at Berkeley. 1508 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,700 Was like, there was a project, and like, Hey, can you I like 1509 01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:28,280 your voice? Can you come do a thing? And it turned into a 1510 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,420 commercial spot for Amtrak. Nice. Wow. Why don't you call me 1511 01:13:32,420 --> 01:13:35,960 Amtrak, you know? So I gotta do that. And I thought about it, 1512 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:40,160 and but then I always feel like, for whatever reason, I feel like 1513 01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,460 I'm not an effective communicator sometimes. Well, 1514 01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:45,280 you're very Arctic, so I don't think I am. I don't see myself 1515 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,820 far more than I am. That's that is a lie. I'm just, I think I 1516 01:13:48,820 --> 01:13:51,640 stammer a lot. No, I don't think you do. Because honestly, it's 1517 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,040 like, then I see and hear people like you and go, like, Yeah, I 1518 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,140 can't do that. Really. That's like me trying to write a song. 1519 01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:58,300 And I work with so many world class songers. I'm like, Yeah, 1520 01:13:58,300 --> 01:13:59,140 but I can't do that. Oh, 1521 01:13:59,140 --> 01:14:05,580 can I? Can I brag on Luis? Yeah, he was honored with being able 1522 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,460 to do a musician spotlight at the Country Music Hall of Fame, 1523 01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:11,940 which is basically an hour long presentation, and it's open. 1524 01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:14,220 It's on at the Country Music Hall of Fame. Now, when you 1525 01:14:14,220 --> 01:14:16,740 think about the Country Music Hall of Fame, the clientele 1526 01:14:16,740 --> 01:14:19,440 coming through there. There are people that live in Nashville, 1527 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,960 there are people that are not in the music business, and they're 1528 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,080 also people that are just people that are just straight up 1529 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,720 tourists. And they come once they pay their fee to get in the 1530 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,760 hall, they can go to this spotlight. And so there's this 1531 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,660 beautiful theater. It's packed. Luis invites me, and he does 1532 01:14:32,660 --> 01:14:35,900 this basically a rundown of his career. He talks about this 1533 01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,960 instruments that he played, his influence, his training, growing 1534 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:43,120 up, his first opportunities, got to play these, and you were so 1535 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,760 articulate. Oh, thank you. It was very entertaining. Well, 1536 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,280 I appreciate that. Thanks. And honestly, that's one example 1537 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,100 where I in the middle of it, I didn't feel articulate at all. 1538 01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:53,800 It was great, like I literally had the moment of, like, you 1539 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,040 know, get over that I'm trying, and I know it's a process, but 1540 01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,920 even, like, walking out and in the middle of my presentation. 1541 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,540 I'm going, this is why we'll Suck it, stand up, because 1542 01:15:03,540 --> 01:15:06,360 they're speaking of articulate and confidence. Because, you 1543 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,640 know, you get the introduction, they give you the whole rundown. 1544 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,760 Here's your credit, welcome, you know, whatever. And I walk out, 1545 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,760 applause, whatever, and then it's dead quiet, and then the 1546 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,500 mics on you, and you're like, so good afternoon. You did great. 1547 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,580 Yeah. So I play bass. Okay, 1548 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,720 I'm gonna play some, you know, that's what it felt like to me, 1549 01:15:26,780 --> 01:15:29,360 yeah, you know. And then looking in the eyes and having people 1550 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,660 like rich and some other like, some of my Ariana cap was there 1551 01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:35,660 as well, who's a well known bass educator online. She does the 1552 01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:38,240 Scott space lessons and everything, and watching them, 1553 01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:41,920 me and some other my peers being the audience, and I'm just like, 1554 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:43,720 Oh, crap, 1555 01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:47,860 great. It was, there was, there was very few UMS. It was so 1556 01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:50,500 perfectly put together. I hate to be rude. I'm just looking at 1557 01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:53,980 my phone because Jim's got a hard escape hatch. Time, we're 1558 01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:58,300 gonna do the Fave Five favorite color, blue, or, sorry, royal 1559 01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:01,980 blue. Specifically, a lot of that, right, buddy. It was just 1560 01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:03,180 blue the last Yeah, 1561 01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,280 so it's very much deep row blue, 1562 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,220 almost purple. You've had time to think about these questions 1563 01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:08,760 too. I 1564 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:09,900 have favorite drink, 1565 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,620 alcoholic or non alcoholic? Is it like Cuban 1566 01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:15,960 coffee? What's your go to right now? 1567 01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,380 I like, I like, like, a Lacroix sparkling water kind of thing. 1568 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,080 Yeah, I'll occasionally, if I'm a air quote, bad boy, it'll be 1569 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,380 Diet Coke, yeah, you know. And then as far as an alcoholic 1570 01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:29,960 drink, I'm always a sucker at a nice, quiet place for an old 1571 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:31,100 fashioned, nice 1572 01:16:31,460 --> 01:16:35,240 alcoholic drink buddy, Evan Williams, eggnog. I Oh, that's 1573 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,500 good. That is 1574 01:16:36,740 --> 01:16:38,900 insanely good. That 1575 01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:42,280 is like saying, I'm gonna quote Dave, uh, Dave attel, remember 1576 01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,560 him? Yes, this is the quote he said about eggnog. He's like, 1577 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,680 it's like, yeah, eggnog. I want to get drunk, but I really want 1578 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:48,280 pancakes. 1579 01:16:50,380 --> 01:16:56,440 Evan Williams, spiked eggnog is the most incredible, because I 1580 01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:59,080 don't know if you guys know this, but Jim also, uh, he 1581 01:16:59,140 --> 01:17:03,120 produces the small town podcast, yeah, so 1582 01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:06,780 they try that in a small town.com they 1583 01:17:06,780 --> 01:17:10,260 were, they were, they were touting the the beauty of the 1584 01:17:10,260 --> 01:17:13,380 Evan Williams drink. And they did like 10 minutes on it, Chris 1585 01:17:13,380 --> 01:17:16,800 as a Christmas gift. Jim got me a bottle of it. Oh, fantastic. 1586 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,780 And it did not last long. It was incredible. 1587 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,680 Sure, it's really tasty. It's drinking Alfredo sauce. It 1588 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,040 is, but a really good favorite food or dish. 1589 01:17:25,580 --> 01:17:28,520 That's a tough one, because that varies much like musical taste 1590 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,060 depends on the day. But I mean at the moment, at the moment, 1591 01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:40,960 ooh, I I am a sucker for, like, a pasta with a pesto sauce and 1592 01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:44,140 grilled chicken. Yeah, there you go. Like, like, usually, maybe 1593 01:17:44,140 --> 01:17:46,960 Fettuccine, but sometimes I'm kind of thinking more like, 1594 01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:47,500 Penny, 1595 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,360 yeah, I want the pine nuts in there too. 1596 01:17:50,260 --> 01:17:53,740 Oh, the pine nuts is little 1597 01:17:53,860 --> 01:17:56,560 amazing. Hey. So we're gonna change this question. Favorite 1598 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:57,820 actress. Oh, gosh. 1599 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:01,920 What are these stipulations on this? Just just skills. 1600 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,160 They either the most talented or the most sexy or, 1601 01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,760 well, there is, and I you put me on the spot, I'm blanking, and 1602 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,040 I'll remember this at three o'clock in the morning. But 1603 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,480 there is one actress who's, at least, for me, like, just drop 1604 01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:18,720 dead gorgeous. But that, aside her skill set, she is freaking 1605 01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,100 amazing. And I remember a few actors saying, like, no, she's 1606 01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:26,720 got the good she is amazing. Redhead, probably close to our 1607 01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,260 age, pretty close. And I, it escapes me right now. It'll come 1608 01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:31,100 to me later. She got 1609 01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:33,860 mad men, I think she was Christina Hendricks. Was that? 1610 01:18:33,860 --> 01:18:36,020 Christina Hendricks? Yes, I think that's 1611 01:18:36,020 --> 01:18:37,280 it. Yes, you said redhead. 1612 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,980 And I'm like, there's not a lot. There's Julianne Moore. Julian 1613 01:18:39,980 --> 01:18:41,200 was great too. Yeah, no, 1614 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,860 she's great, but, but, but, yeah, she does, but, but, you 1615 01:18:44,860 --> 01:18:47,320 know, she's, she's really, obviously, really pretty and 1616 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:51,220 whatever. But as as the skill goes, like, she's got in spades. 1617 01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:54,580 But also, I've read interviews where there's many, like, top 1618 01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:58,180 tier, like, legendary actors go like, Oh, she's, she's the whole 1619 01:18:58,180 --> 01:19:00,240 package. She's, she's a great 1620 01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,480 thespian. She works. I love that. And at the moment, what 1621 01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:05,640 would be a favorite song? 1622 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:11,580 Again, tough on that, because it changes. But honestly, it's like 1623 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,940 favorite song. It's tough. I mean, I've been going, kind of 1624 01:19:14,940 --> 01:19:18,420 revisiting jameroqui recently. Oh yeah, it's so much fun. It's 1625 01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:20,100 so good. And they 1626 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,640 got new album coming out. Yeah, gooduba. 1627 01:19:24,260 --> 01:19:27,020 But even, like, some of the other stuff that's not like that 1628 01:19:27,020 --> 01:19:29,240 hit or whatever, it's just like, you go down that catalog 1629 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,520 automaton is their last record that came out, like, four or 1630 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,800 five years ago, and it's like the whole record front to back. 1631 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,480 I can just put it on, and I'm happy 1632 01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:38,420 haven't heard that. But that baduba, which has got the built 1633 01:19:38,420 --> 01:19:41,740 in swing, reminds me of that first Maroon Five record. Oh, 1634 01:19:41,740 --> 01:19:45,100 yeah, same. Oh, that was really, really good, man Jim, ask your 1635 01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:46,720 question, buddy, and the 1636 01:19:54,460 --> 01:19:56,140 audience is bored. Now. Anyways, 1637 01:19:57,220 --> 01:20:01,020 you ever hear the band wigwam? Yes, the. Really good. Yeah, 1638 01:20:01,260 --> 01:20:05,940 they're so refreshing. Wigwam. Wigwam, is it like you watch the 1639 01:20:05,940 --> 01:20:10,740 peacemaker with John Cena? They did the the music for the intro, 1640 01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,220 all right, right, and it's one of the most quirky intros. 1641 01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:15,240 Hilarious. 1642 01:20:15,780 --> 01:20:20,040 John Cena has done really well in expanding his brand. Oh yeah, 1643 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:20,600 wow, 1644 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,080 have you in the same token, I'd be a miss if I didn't mention 1645 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,140 another album. But are you familiar with the one band, one 1646 01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:30,440 album, band, toy matinee from the early 90s? Oh, yeah. Sheryl 1647 01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:34,400 Crow, yeah. Well, Sheryl Crow wound up being a touring version 1648 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,580 of them for hot Yes, but it was her boyfriend at the time who 1649 01:20:37,580 --> 01:20:40,520 also helped co write, like, the Tuesday Night Music Club stuff, 1650 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,120 yeah, but I mean, that record, that's uh, Patrick Leonard, the 1651 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,820 producer who won up. That's why, and one of my biggest 1652 01:20:45,820 --> 01:20:49,180 influences, Guy Pratt on base, and guy got to play on the 1653 01:20:49,180 --> 01:20:51,640 Madonna record, like a prayer, because Patrick Leonard was 1654 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,040 involved, and he produced that record. And that record, you 1655 01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,160 talk about power pop, like stuff. So good. Toy 1656 01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,560 matinee, toy man, you guys heard it here first, Jim, you want to 1657 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,760 ask your trivi band question. So, yes, well, you just gave it 1658 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,940 away. Sorry, guys and action, that's fine. 1659 01:21:07,380 --> 01:21:10,020 So you have to, okay, so what if you had to pick up a tribute 1660 01:21:10,020 --> 01:21:11,580 band and play the rest of your life in 1661 01:21:11,580 --> 01:21:15,300 what would it be that I had to personally play? I mean, you 1662 01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:18,180 have to do it every day. I'm gonna say Jamaica, because I'm 1663 01:21:18,180 --> 01:21:20,480 on that kick right now. Yeah, because, first of all, it the 1664 01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:24,080 skill set. It's fun music to play, but it's a challenging 1665 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,720 thing, and bass wise, and it's just kind of one of those things 1666 01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,660 where you find that happy medium of, oh, the instrument I play, 1667 01:21:29,660 --> 01:21:32,420 what I have to do, brings a challenge to it, but it's so 1668 01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:33,080 much fun to do. 1669 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,780 If think about when you're like, in your 70s, your fingers hurt, 1670 01:21:35,780 --> 01:21:39,680 and you're like, I just want to play Panama. I'd love to play, 1671 01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:44,200 I'd love to be in a Van Halen band too. But, I mean, I man Van 1672 01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,220 Halen rush 1673 01:21:46,180 --> 01:21:49,240 so many, you know, I think Huey Lewis huelus would be great. 1674 01:21:49,780 --> 01:21:52,780 Actually, I did get approached one time almost jokingly from a 1675 01:21:52,780 --> 01:21:55,180 drummer of buddy of ours about doing a Huey list in the news 1676 01:21:55,180 --> 01:21:58,420 tribute band. I'm like, call me. I'm here. Yeah, it's great 1677 01:21:58,420 --> 01:21:58,840 songs. 1678 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,280 It is. They are fantastic. Yeah, 1679 01:22:00,940 --> 01:22:04,020 Hey, Jim, that's, that's, I mean, that's you, remember, you 1680 01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:07,260 gotta play every day, yeah, for the rest of your life. 1681 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:10,080 So, Richard, you make that sound like it's a bad thing. I had to 1682 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,480 play my instrument for every day for the rest of my life. Oh, 1683 01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:13,980 darn, that's my arm. Now, I know. Are 1684 01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:16,500 you gonna be going hunting after this now or, 1685 01:22:19,860 --> 01:22:22,820 Oh, because of my camouflage. Again, that's Jim. Hey, man. 1686 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:29,060 I hope that. I hope you know, there's not a lot of comments on 1687 01:22:29,060 --> 01:22:30,200 the on the YouTubes. 1688 01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,460 Bruce Banner called he wants his shirt back. Hey, so Luis, 1689 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,940 what is there if you want to reach out to you? What's the 1690 01:22:37,940 --> 01:22:40,660 best way do you have your own.com Yeah, I do. You spell 1691 01:22:40,660 --> 01:22:42,220 everybody, you spell your last name. Here 1692 01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,820 I will. So my, I do have a.com I don't really keep it up as much 1693 01:22:45,820 --> 01:22:50,560 as I should. But no, there. It's L, L, U, I, S, E, S, P as in 1694 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,980 Peter, a, i, L, L, A, T as in, thomas.com 1695 01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,300 Luis, espayat.com it's just so fun to say. But you 1696 01:22:58,300 --> 01:23:01,260 know, obviously, more often than not, the social media stuff. So 1697 01:23:01,260 --> 01:23:07,800 Instagram is Louis bass, l, u, i, s, B, A, S, S, Luis, Luis. 1698 01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,400 Espayat base altogether, B, A, S, S is my Facebook page. 1699 01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:15,660 Instagram, Twitter's the same. I think I do have a tick tock, 1700 01:23:15,660 --> 01:23:18,120 even though I just saw the news that that might go away. Yeah. 1701 01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:20,540 Do you have, like, a central website? Did you mentioned, 1702 01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,420 yeah, Luis despaya.com everything's there. Everything, 1703 01:23:23,420 --> 01:23:24,200 all the links are there 1704 01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,720 too. Yeah, that's great thing. And I will say just really quick 1705 01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,660 in closing, that I really appreciate your commitment to 1706 01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:32,660 music education as well. You're passionate about it. You and I 1707 01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:34,760 have done the thing at the School of Rock at the rhyme in 1708 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,920 many years, and the kids love you, and you're great working 1709 01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,160 with the kids. And same with our friend Michael sterto and Angie 1710 01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:43,900 and Kelly McCarthy. We love them so much, so much. We could talk 1711 01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:45,160 for hours and hours. Yeah, of 1712 01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,500 course. Well, we've also got history ourselves. We even get 1713 01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:49,180 into the stuff that we've worked on together. 1714 01:23:49,180 --> 01:23:52,120 What have we done? You got to come back? Well, I'd be glad to 1715 01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,520 Yeah, absolutely. What have we done over the last 20 years? So 1716 01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:54,700 much. 1717 01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:58,300 Well, the red door we've done now. We've actually, like, 1718 01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:01,500 legitimately played on records, and we do remember, like I was 1719 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,780 having a good little happy moment we did there was a 1720 01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:06,420 Canadian artist that was, his name was Jay Allen. I remembered 1721 01:24:06,420 --> 01:24:08,940 it. Yeah? Murray Pulver produced, oh yeah, Canada, who's 1722 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,880 in dark Walker and also crashes on music, produced that. And we 1723 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,940 got to do that, yeah? And that was fun. So we've, we've gotten 1724 01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:16,380 to do some really cool stuff, whatever. 1725 01:24:16,380 --> 01:24:18,900 Anytime I walk into a room and I see you on a recording session, 1726 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,200 like it's gonna be a fun day, yeah, you know what I mean? 1727 01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,100 Because, you know, a lot of people can do the thing, but 1728 01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:29,420 the, you know, the the thing that makes it fun is those soft 1729 01:24:29,420 --> 01:24:31,760 skills, you know, those that interpersonal. And it's, I just 1730 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,140 always have a great time with you. Well, 1731 01:24:33,140 --> 01:24:35,300 ditto. And same thing with you. And it's also one of those 1732 01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:37,820 things where, like, playing with you, just personality great. But 1733 01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:40,100 even from a professional standpoint, I'm like, we have 1734 01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:42,260 nothing to worry about here. Rich is going to put the one 1735 01:24:42,260 --> 01:24:46,060 right where it needs. It needs to be. Boom, yeah, exactly. And 1736 01:24:46,060 --> 01:24:48,580 we know where it's gonna go. And I can, like, I always make sure 1737 01:24:48,580 --> 01:24:50,980 one of my things is, like, with most drummers, but definitely 1738 01:24:50,980 --> 01:24:53,560 with rich, is, like, if I'm in a room and I have a choice, I'm 1739 01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,140 like, put me in the room with the drums. I have isolation 1740 01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:59,320 cans, I'll be fine, yeah. And so I have a visual, because 1741 01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,060 drummers. Rich included, they have what I call poker tells, 1742 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,220 yeah, so they'll be playing, you know, doing the grooving along 1743 01:25:05,220 --> 01:25:07,380 or whatever, and then all of a sudden, you see, maybe that 1744 01:25:07,380 --> 01:25:09,480 right shoulder comes up and he's like, Oh, he's about to do 1745 01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:11,940 something, but boom, but boom. And I got, he's like, how did 1746 01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:13,800 you know he's gonna do this? Like, you telegraphed 1747 01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:16,140 it. I was about to do Pat Boone. Debbie Boone, right into the 1748 01:25:16,140 --> 01:25:18,900 right exactly right to the bell of the ride. Jim, thanks for all 1749 01:25:18,900 --> 01:25:22,880 of your time and talent. You are so funny. I gotta say, I gotta 1750 01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:28,880 with the world as our witness. I just feel so grateful in 2025 1751 01:25:29,420 --> 01:25:35,060 that I have so many amazing friends, but it's a short list 1752 01:25:35,060 --> 01:25:38,360 of people who would broken down on the side of the road. You're 1753 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,980 pulling up. Luis would pull up, you would pull up. And I 1754 01:25:41,980 --> 01:25:42,580 appreciate it. 1755 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,240 I gotta say, Luis, when you first came in, you just, I love 1756 01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,800 the fact that you just came in. You know, we were recording the 1757 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,800 other podcast. I'm serious. I'm not being facetious. That you 1758 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,620 just, you kind of crashed it and you sat down. The moment I saw 1759 01:25:56,620 --> 01:26:01,060 you, I instantly liked you. Oh, thank you. Yeah, that's what. 1760 01:26:01,060 --> 01:26:03,060 For what for what it's worth, nice to be likable. 1761 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,180 It is. It is nice to be liked. You can only do so much, but 1762 01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:08,100 even, even Mother Teresa had her haters. 1763 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,560 Now here's the thing, Courtney's coming to pick me up. He's got 1764 01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,120 to meet Courtney. Let's see what kind of 1765 01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,580 read she gets. Oh, that would be great, because Jim's wife is 1766 01:26:14,580 --> 01:26:16,200 incredibly empathic. Oh, 1767 01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,240 really. Okay, yeah, all right. Well, goes mean luck, yeah. 1768 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,140 Honestly, it wasn't my intention to crash last podcast. I was 1769 01:26:21,140 --> 01:26:23,600 gonna sneak in and be off to the corner. I loved it. I got pulled 1770 01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,740 in so I loved it. Loved 1771 01:26:24,740 --> 01:26:27,860 every bit of it. So I was, I could say is, thank you for 1772 01:26:27,860 --> 01:26:30,380 doing this, making the trip to Spring Hill. It was long 1773 01:26:30,380 --> 01:26:34,340 overdue. Congratulations on everything. I'm happy for you. 1774 01:26:34,340 --> 01:26:37,640 I'm proud of you, and I'm just, I'm just proud to call you my 1775 01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:38,180 friend. Ditto. 1776 01:26:38,180 --> 01:26:40,580 Man, absolutely. It's an honor, and thank you for having me. I 1777 01:26:40,580 --> 01:26:43,180 appreciate it absolutely. But I really do everybody check really 1778 01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:43,840 do Luis 1779 01:26:44,020 --> 01:26:49,360 espaya.com send him a DM. He'll get back to you right away. And 1780 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,120 for all the listeners, we appreciate you. Thank you for 1781 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,640 listening, thank you for watching. Be sure to subscribe, 1782 01:26:54,700 --> 01:26:58,540 share, rate and review. It helps people find the podcast. And Jim 1783 01:26:58,540 --> 01:27:01,200 would be very mad at me if I didn't promote some of my wares, 1784 01:27:01,260 --> 01:27:03,600 like my book Crash Course for success, which you can get 1785 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,480 because Jeff Bezos will lick a stamp and will send it to your 1786 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,940 house. Also, there's a brand new hardcover book, which is called 1787 01:27:08,940 --> 01:27:11,880 Making it in country music. And insiders look at the industry. 1788 01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,280 And if you're a drummer and you like to go rat Tat, Tat, but you 1789 01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,740 want to keep your marriage, you want to keep your relationship 1790 01:27:16,740 --> 01:27:19,260 with your neighbors or your band, you can get this three 1791 01:27:19,260 --> 01:27:23,480 sided Made in America, Pro Logic, rich Redmond signature 1792 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,320 practice pad and we'll see you next time this has 1793 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:32,120 been the rich Redmond show. Subscribe, rate and follow along 1794 01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,660 at rich redmond.com forward, slash podcasts. You