WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.780 --> 00:00:27.190 Anke: Hello and welcome, Joan. 00:00:27.220 --> 00:00:28.830 I'm delighted to have you here. 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:31.050 Thank you for having me. 00:00:31.060 --> 00:00:32.100 This is very exciting. 00:00:33.210 --> 00:00:33.660 Awesome. 00:00:33.670 --> 00:00:40.920 So let's start out by letting people know where in this wonderful world you 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:43.180 are based and what's your business with 00:00:43.190 --> 00:00:43.630 Joan: dogs? 00:00:45.090 --> 00:00:50.770 Um, so I'm in Santa Clarita, California, which is just outside of Los Angeles. 00:00:51.180 --> 00:00:55.600 But, um, The great thing about what I do is I work everywhere. 00:00:56.130 --> 00:01:03.500 Um, I'm an animal communicator and author and um, I just, my latest 00:01:03.500 --> 00:01:08.670 book is called Emotional Freedom Technique for Animals and so I do EFT. 00:01:09.880 --> 00:01:15.300 which is a healing method I'm happy to talk more about, um, with 00:01:15.300 --> 00:01:19.850 animals remotely, so I can be on the phone, on Zoom, or in person. 00:01:20.970 --> 00:01:24.810 Anke: I find that fascinating because, I mean, I do know a little 00:01:24.810 --> 00:01:29.400 bit about EFT, but I've never, it has never occurred to me, you know, 00:01:29.530 --> 00:01:32.360 to, to use it with animals, right? 00:01:32.520 --> 00:01:36.180 So I'm definitely gonna want to know more about that. 00:01:42.210 --> 00:01:47.400 Let's see, first what I'd be curious about, how did you get 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.360 started with animal communication? 00:01:49.420 --> 00:01:52.670 Like, it's not the kind of thing when you go to school and somebody, you 00:01:52.670 --> 00:01:55.560 know, and somebody will ask you when you're eight years old, say, what 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:57.080 do you want to be when you grow up? 00:01:57.080 --> 00:01:58.910 And you say, oh, I'm going to be an animal communicator. 00:01:59.220 --> 00:02:02.070 My guess is that's probably not what you said, or maybe I'm wrong. 00:02:02.410 --> 00:02:07.840 Joan: No, but you know, Funny as little girls are saying it now, for sure. 00:02:08.370 --> 00:02:09.240 Yeah, I bet. 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:15.080 But, uh, and it is going to be part of college curriculums. 00:02:15.110 --> 00:02:16.910 And I mean, it's starting to be now. 00:02:18.250 --> 00:02:18.990 Sorry about that. 00:02:18.990 --> 00:02:30.040 So, um, I wanted, you know, I went between, I wanted to be an actress, be 00:02:30.040 --> 00:02:33.720 a veterinarian, or be Or breed horses. 00:02:33.720 --> 00:02:37.420 And then my mother informed me that I would fail at breeding horses 00:02:37.420 --> 00:02:39.710 because I wouldn't sell any of them. 00:02:39.710 --> 00:02:51.350 I was like, Oh, um, so, um, then, you know, the veterinarian thing became like, 00:02:51.350 --> 00:02:53.490 I didn't want to have to put animals down. 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:55.030 I didn't want to see them suffering. 00:02:55.480 --> 00:02:59.150 Um, but I did work, you know, in and around, like I would always work for a 00:02:59.150 --> 00:03:00.880 horse trainer or something in the summer. 00:03:01.610 --> 00:03:03.650 And, um, and I've always had dogs. 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:07.690 I actually joke that I was, I was raised as a small lap dog because 00:03:07.690 --> 00:03:14.495 there's not one single picture of me as a baby without the dog next to me. 00:03:14.525 --> 00:03:16.645 We were about the same size when I was really little. 00:03:16.655 --> 00:03:21.555 So, um, uh, every picture with my dad, like there's, there's 00:03:21.555 --> 00:03:23.085 more pictures of the dog than me. 00:03:23.095 --> 00:03:32.495 So anyway, um, uh, so I, um, I went ahead and got the degree in theater and 00:03:32.495 --> 00:03:37.695 studied all over and, and, you know, did a lot of theater, came to Los Angeles. 00:03:38.215 --> 00:03:45.475 And I, I, I got that like soulmate horse and, and I walked dogs for a living. 00:03:45.485 --> 00:03:49.225 So I was walking dogs before there was a dog walking thing. 00:03:50.005 --> 00:03:51.395 I was doing it for movie stars. 00:03:51.405 --> 00:03:53.635 So, um, it was pretty fun. 00:03:54.455 --> 00:04:00.995 Um, anyway, I, so I had this horse that I was absolutely in love with 00:04:01.055 --> 00:04:02.745 and this was the late eighties. 00:04:02.795 --> 00:04:03.455 I started. 00:04:04.150 --> 00:04:10.740 I used an animal communicator and I was so in awe of what she knew and how connected 00:04:10.740 --> 00:04:12.850 I felt with my horse afterwards, right? 00:04:12.880 --> 00:04:17.460 Like that was, I think, the biggest takeaway was, you know, yeah, it's 00:04:17.460 --> 00:04:22.180 really cool what she was able to do, but it's what I felt afterwards. 00:04:22.200 --> 00:04:26.470 And I thought, I, what if I could provide that for people, right? 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:28.720 That sort of a connection, that closeness. 00:04:29.620 --> 00:04:34.850 And so eventually I lost that horse and that was kind of the turning 00:04:34.850 --> 00:04:37.040 point of Putting me into this. 00:04:38.520 --> 00:04:39.140 full time. 00:04:39.610 --> 00:04:46.030 And, and in that, I, I really, I started, I had taken some classes 00:04:46.030 --> 00:04:49.850 and then I backed away from it, but I finally just went for it. 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:52.170 And I took classes. 00:04:52.220 --> 00:04:56.760 I studied animal communication, energy healing, acupressure, cranial 00:04:57.140 --> 00:05:04.090 sacral, I mean, T Touch, anything I could do where I put my hands on. 00:05:04.140 --> 00:05:08.640 And then, you know, the interwebs came about, um, mid 90s. 00:05:08.650 --> 00:05:12.160 So I, I had, uh, an early website. 00:05:12.200 --> 00:05:15.200 It was crap, but, you know, I had it up there. 00:05:15.620 --> 00:05:20.990 And so I started getting, um, you know, people, not just locals, and I 00:05:20.990 --> 00:05:22.640 was living in Los Angeles at the time. 00:05:22.640 --> 00:05:27.245 So, I got to be pretty popular. 00:05:27.855 --> 00:05:30.785 I was busy, even though people didn't really know what it was. 00:05:30.865 --> 00:05:38.100 And Uh, between the internet and, you know, some press here and there, word 00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:42.180 got out and then I got, you know, I started getting book deals and people 00:05:42.180 --> 00:05:47.460 started knowing more about the work and as, you know, as it progressed I 00:05:47.460 --> 00:05:53.460 learned EFT in about 2002 and, um, that, that's the subject of my latest book. 00:05:53.460 --> 00:06:00.980 So I've been very, very lucky, um, very lucky with how it all went because 00:06:01.100 --> 00:06:07.295 it was Way before, and here's my dog getting ready for the um, just on cue, 00:06:07.325 --> 00:06:09.945 she would love to do a demo of EFT. 00:06:12.045 --> 00:06:15.425 Anke: So awesome, like, just like, hey, you need me right 00:06:15.425 --> 00:06:16.955 now, I'm here, I just love it. 00:06:18.055 --> 00:06:19.825 It's all ready to go. 00:06:20.375 --> 00:06:25.835 I love how you allowed yourself to follow that nudge, right? 00:06:26.115 --> 00:06:28.515 Because you could have said, oh, well, I kind of like that, 00:06:28.515 --> 00:06:30.195 but let me get a proper job. 00:06:30.550 --> 00:06:34.410 You know, but you fully leaned into that and I just, I just love that. 00:06:34.440 --> 00:06:35.300 I was kind of, you know. 00:06:36.810 --> 00:06:40.320 find it sad when people have something they're passionate about 00:06:40.350 --> 00:06:45.020 and don't, you know, feel like, ooh, can't allow myself to go there. 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.410 And it's beautiful that you right from the beginning, you know, went, went for it. 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.100 That's just fascinating. 00:06:51.330 --> 00:06:57.240 So how did you come up, like, at what point, or how did you make the 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:03.035 connection from, hey, EFT works for people, Let me try this out on dogs, 00:07:03.035 --> 00:07:05.965 or like, how did you kind of come up with the idea that this might 00:07:05.985 --> 00:07:07.515 actually do something for dogs as well? 00:07:08.455 --> 00:07:14.395 Joan: Well, it's a pretty great little story. 00:07:14.435 --> 00:07:18.945 I first, I, I had it done to me because I couldn't sleep. 00:07:19.475 --> 00:07:24.855 And I'm a great sleeper, but I had had, a trauma and I couldn't sleep. 00:07:25.265 --> 00:07:30.325 So, I went and had it done to me, and I thought it was really weird, 00:07:30.325 --> 00:07:32.655 and I was like, this is stupid. 00:07:33.125 --> 00:07:36.235 But then I could sleep, and I thought, that's not so stupid. 00:07:36.725 --> 00:07:40.905 And, what I, what the, I went and got certified the first time, I've 00:07:40.905 --> 00:07:46.965 had, I've gotten certified a few times, um, because what I thought 00:07:46.965 --> 00:07:52.750 about was two, two very, Big things that I saw my clients struggle with. 00:07:53.250 --> 00:07:58.440 Number one, I would see, you know, this is early 2000s, right? 00:07:58.905 --> 00:08:05.195 People weren't as savvy about leadership with their dogs or their horses, right? 00:08:05.285 --> 00:08:09.795 So, in the case of dogs, I would see people who had had their dog 00:08:09.795 --> 00:08:15.805 had been attacked when they were on the leash, and they would panic. 00:08:16.825 --> 00:08:21.495 And then after that, that dog would often become the aggressor. 00:08:22.010 --> 00:08:26.650 And the human would, you know, the human on the end of the 00:08:26.650 --> 00:08:30.120 leash would be a bag of nerves. 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:34.030 And then the same sort of thing with, with the horses. 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:39.880 I saw horse, you know, like if a human and a horse had an accident 00:08:40.250 --> 00:08:44.160 together, the human would be very terrified to get back on the horse. 00:08:44.220 --> 00:08:47.420 And when you think about a horse, a horse is a prey animal. 00:08:47.740 --> 00:08:51.150 So you've got this terrified predator on top of you. 00:08:51.460 --> 00:08:52.520 It doesn't go well. 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:57.980 So, um, at first I just thought I would tap with the humans to bring their nervous 00:08:57.990 --> 00:09:02.600 system down so that the person could confidently walk outside with the dog on 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:04.800 the leash and it wouldn't be like this. 00:09:05.230 --> 00:09:08.720 And so that the horse, the rider could get back on their horse and they could 00:09:08.760 --> 00:09:10.719 have that beautiful connection again. 00:09:10.719 --> 00:09:18.285 And then I had this, um, situation in 2004 Where this very talented 00:09:18.885 --> 00:09:24.185 trainer that I knew, um, had called and said he was at a horse show. 00:09:24.185 --> 00:09:28.565 I needed to come immediately because this horse was attacking ponies. 00:09:28.625 --> 00:09:30.185 And at first I thought that was kind of funny. 00:09:30.195 --> 00:09:35.275 And then he really, I know him and for him to be that desperate. 00:09:35.295 --> 00:09:41.495 I was like, Okay, so I canceled everything and went out there and in at 00:09:41.495 --> 00:09:44.275 horse shows, they're in a warm up ring. 00:09:44.635 --> 00:09:48.965 You've got a million people getting ready to get into the to their class 00:09:49.025 --> 00:09:53.355 and they're nervous and they're busy and they're doing their thing. 00:09:53.705 --> 00:09:56.815 So here are all these little girls on ponies trying to go over jumps 00:09:56.815 --> 00:10:02.505 and here's this giant horse who's the kindest guy but he is like looking like 00:10:02.940 --> 00:10:05.760 Jaws of death going after these ponies. 00:10:06.380 --> 00:10:11.230 And so, I was like, I mean, if it wasn't terrifying, it would be funny. 00:10:11.230 --> 00:10:12.660 But, um, anyway. 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:19.435 So, I thought first I would just communicate with him and see why he 00:10:19.435 --> 00:10:20.905 was doing this, see if that would help. 00:10:21.325 --> 00:10:26.365 And so I suggested that we go away from there, like, you know, again, distract 00:10:26.365 --> 00:10:29.445 him from the thing he wants to do. 00:10:30.095 --> 00:10:34.175 Um, and then I, I, I started thinking on the way, well, maybe I should tap 00:10:34.175 --> 00:10:35.745 on the people because they're nervous. 00:10:35.785 --> 00:10:39.425 And I thought, You know, Chris, the trainer, he'll be fine. 00:10:39.435 --> 00:10:41.155 He'll get on anything. 00:10:41.625 --> 00:10:45.125 Um, but I thought, what if I tap on this horse? 00:10:45.135 --> 00:10:49.985 So I suggested we went somewhere kind of crazy, where no one could see us because 00:10:49.985 --> 00:10:51.085 they knew it was going to look weird. 00:10:51.605 --> 00:10:58.085 And, um, I started, um, I know acupressure inside and out, right? 00:10:58.095 --> 00:11:00.185 So I knew the points. 00:11:00.235 --> 00:11:00.965 And so I was just 00:11:00.965 --> 00:11:02.725 Anke: thinking like, how would you know where to kind of 00:11:02.965 --> 00:11:04.275 tackle the holes like you do? 00:11:04.725 --> 00:11:05.085 Okay. 00:11:05.325 --> 00:11:06.355 So you didn't know the points. 00:11:06.565 --> 00:11:06.865 Okay. 00:11:06.865 --> 00:11:07.345 That makes sense. 00:11:08.235 --> 00:11:10.905 Joan: I mean, I kind of guessed the first round, right? 00:11:10.965 --> 00:11:15.275 But then after that I started doing, um, 00:11:17.655 --> 00:11:21.335 Then I went home and, like, literally studied it and was like, that was 00:11:21.335 --> 00:11:27.125 crazy, because what happened was, I had gotten from him that, you know, he had 00:11:27.125 --> 00:11:32.855 been, um, when he was weaned from his mother, he thought he was weaned too 00:11:32.855 --> 00:11:38.475 early, as they all think, and then he, He was thrown into a pasture full of 00:11:38.475 --> 00:11:41.235 ponies and they, they picked on him. 00:11:41.245 --> 00:11:42.785 They attacked him and bugged him. 00:11:43.545 --> 00:11:45.235 And so he still hated them. 00:11:45.245 --> 00:11:47.285 He didn't realize he was giant, right? 00:11:47.835 --> 00:11:53.235 So I start, when you're doing the EFT tapping, you're not necessarily 00:11:53.235 --> 00:11:57.510 going for negative emotions because all emotions are very important. 00:11:57.700 --> 00:11:58.070 Right? 00:11:58.140 --> 00:11:59.990 And fear can save an animal's life. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.390 So nothing's negative, especially in the animal world. 00:12:03.860 --> 00:12:07.930 But what I went for were those, the challenge. 00:12:07.940 --> 00:12:12.500 So you're taking a challenging situation and moving to the outcome you want. 00:12:12.950 --> 00:12:15.830 So I started tapping on the, I hate ponies. 00:12:15.850 --> 00:12:16.970 They terrify me. 00:12:17.340 --> 00:12:20.870 And going through this whole thing and tapping on each of the points. 00:12:21.130 --> 00:12:26.520 And then I got it to, I forgive the ponies, I'll be okay, I can be calm. 00:12:27.100 --> 00:12:31.390 And we walked him out and the next thing you know he was like still side eyeing 00:12:31.390 --> 00:12:36.440 all the ponies, like he knew where they all were, but he wasn't as jacked up, he 00:12:36.450 --> 00:12:39.420 wasn't as terrifying, he didn't attack. 00:12:39.530 --> 00:12:47.080 And then later in life he, um, He went to, uh, well, he lived across the 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:50.440 barn from a pony for a little while. 00:12:50.740 --> 00:12:55.170 And then when he retired, he lived out in a pasture next door to a pony and they 00:12:55.170 --> 00:12:57.280 were seen grooming each other every day. 00:12:57.970 --> 00:12:59.980 So it worked, right? 00:13:00.020 --> 00:13:03.280 I mean, I obviously didn't know that ending at that time. 00:13:03.290 --> 00:13:08.280 But when, when we were able to walk him out to the warmup arena, 00:13:08.925 --> 00:13:10.935 And him not go after ponies. 00:13:11.505 --> 00:13:14.245 I thought, all right, this is something. 00:13:14.245 --> 00:13:16.355 Yeah. 00:13:18.115 --> 00:13:21.835 So the, so I started studying the acupressure points and 00:13:21.835 --> 00:13:23.775 how, how EFT works is that. 00:13:24.445 --> 00:13:27.645 Like I said, you're telling a challenging story, but you're 00:13:27.645 --> 00:13:29.525 tapping on really feel good points. 00:13:29.525 --> 00:13:33.755 When you think about acupressure, you know, each of the points that 00:13:33.755 --> 00:13:37.745 were chosen, they're calming points. 00:13:37.765 --> 00:13:42.155 In acupressure, there can be tonifying to cleanse, there can be 00:13:42.165 --> 00:13:45.065 stimulating, and there can be calming. 00:13:45.125 --> 00:13:49.295 And so all the points in the sequence are calming points. 00:13:50.375 --> 00:13:54.485 So you're telling a challenging story, but you're And conjuring up all 00:13:54.485 --> 00:13:57.295 the emotions with feel good points. 00:13:57.325 --> 00:14:00.385 And eventually the feel good takes over. 00:14:00.385 --> 00:14:04.325 So you'll remember the circumstance, but you're not triggered by it. 00:14:05.525 --> 00:14:05.955 Anke: Wow. 00:14:06.885 --> 00:14:10.015 I never even thought, because like, you know, when I'm looking at EFT, 00:14:10.335 --> 00:14:13.865 like there's this, this particular one here, the color, I just love that. 00:14:13.865 --> 00:14:14.645 That makes sense. 00:14:14.645 --> 00:14:15.075 Joan: Yeah. 00:14:16.755 --> 00:14:19.535 Anke: I never even thought that they were all kind of calming. 00:14:19.905 --> 00:14:24.535 You know, that is, that is so, yeah, that makes all the sense as well. 00:14:26.765 --> 00:14:31.095 Joan: Yeah, even, there's a lot of points right around here. 00:14:31.755 --> 00:14:36.235 Like even this is a long one and you know when you've had grief, often 00:14:36.275 --> 00:14:37.995 this, this can be a little sore. 00:14:38.415 --> 00:14:42.345 But this, this one right here is kidney 27, this one that you like, 00:14:42.405 --> 00:14:47.570 that, that stimulates all the organs and it's, Yeah, it's good. 00:14:47.580 --> 00:14:55.230 And the thing with, um, uh, when you look at traditional Chinese medicine, 00:14:55.640 --> 00:15:01.440 they believe that, you know, these points are all connected to meridians. 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:03.930 Those meridians are all connected to organ systems. 00:15:03.930 --> 00:15:06.520 Those organ systems are all connected to emotions. 00:15:06.530 --> 00:15:10.140 So each point is very specifically calmly. 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:15.330 Anke: So do you find that animals like it? 00:15:16.050 --> 00:15:18.420 Like, do they like it or do they go like, what are you doing? 00:15:19.630 --> 00:15:23.630 Joan: Well, I mean cats certainly at first go, right? 00:15:24.800 --> 00:15:30.050 But yeah, they, you know, especially here in the States we have, you know, the 00:15:30.050 --> 00:15:36.010 4th of July, which is just so, you know, it's fireworks and everybody's terrified. 00:15:36.150 --> 00:15:45.180 And, um, I usually have people Start tapping on their animals. 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.070 And I have a YouTube video for it. 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.650 Start tapping on their animals a couple of months before that starts, right? 00:15:50.650 --> 00:15:55.710 Like I'll start putting it out on social media, maybe end of May, early June, and 00:15:55.710 --> 00:15:58.990 say, let's get ready for 4th of July now. 00:15:59.420 --> 00:16:04.740 And then what happens is the dogs actually will come over to 00:16:04.740 --> 00:16:07.300 the person and, and look for it. 00:16:07.540 --> 00:16:11.100 Um, because I can't believe that thumb keeps showing up. 00:16:11.100 --> 00:16:11.580 Anke: I know, it's funny. 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.800 Sometimes people have like bubbles coming up, like it happens quite a bit now. 00:16:17.750 --> 00:16:22.990 Joan: But, yeah, so the animals will start looking, looking for that as 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.820 the soothing thing in the trauma. 00:16:27.150 --> 00:16:28.390 Anke: That's interesting. 00:16:28.540 --> 00:16:29.090 Yeah. 00:16:29.580 --> 00:16:31.860 I mean, like it does make sense though. 00:16:31.860 --> 00:16:33.460 Like I love what you, how you said it. 00:16:33.470 --> 00:16:34.490 It's like, yes. 00:16:35.125 --> 00:16:38.795 We're not kind of ignoring or shoving the trigger down under the carpet 00:16:38.795 --> 00:16:42.955 like we acknowledge it's there It just doesn't have the same impact anymore. 00:16:43.455 --> 00:16:44.175 Joan: Yes. 00:16:44.235 --> 00:16:45.325 Yeah, it's powerful. 00:16:46.105 --> 00:16:46.575 Like yeah 00:16:47.445 --> 00:16:52.115 Anke: Yeah, so are they specific like apart from the fireworks 00:16:52.115 --> 00:16:53.125 thing which is massive? 00:16:53.595 --> 00:16:57.085 You know, because like we get it here, like New Year's Eve and things like that. 00:16:57.145 --> 00:17:00.845 You know, there's when these, yeah, there's certain where, yeah. 00:17:00.845 --> 00:17:01.995 No, the dogs aren't happy. 00:17:02.035 --> 00:17:07.395 Like, yeah, I had one who was like really frightened, but nobody really likes it. 00:17:07.405 --> 00:17:10.615 So to actually help them, you know, other specific. 00:17:12.405 --> 00:17:15.895 situations where you think like, say, like, I don't know what 00:17:15.895 --> 00:17:19.075 pops up to my, what pops to mind is like separation anxiety. 00:17:19.175 --> 00:17:23.235 Like, is that like where you think like, Ooh, you know, like I kind of totally 00:17:23.235 --> 00:17:28.395 see like, well, you know, you hate being left alone, you know, but what if 00:17:28.395 --> 00:17:30.695 that didn't trigger you the same way? 00:17:31.815 --> 00:17:32.175 Joan: Yeah. 00:17:32.205 --> 00:17:34.195 Separation anxiety is a great one. 00:17:34.575 --> 00:17:39.905 Um, and, and it's, it's tapping on the person and the animal, right? 00:17:39.905 --> 00:17:44.805 Because Often we feel guilty that we, that we have to go to work. 00:17:44.815 --> 00:17:47.855 And then we were like, Oh my God, when will they get over this? 00:17:47.855 --> 00:17:48.085 Right? 00:17:48.085 --> 00:17:54.065 Like we have all of those feelings that are feeding into their anxiety. 00:17:54.705 --> 00:18:00.095 So, and we, we may have anxiety, but we would have anxiety for 00:18:00.095 --> 00:18:01.625 different reasons than the dog would. 00:18:01.735 --> 00:18:06.935 So we have to kind of almost separate out the feelings, work on it for the 00:18:06.935 --> 00:18:08.605 person, work on it for the animal. 00:18:08.895 --> 00:18:11.155 Separation anxiety, uh, leash. 00:18:11.850 --> 00:18:13.090 uh, aggression. 00:18:13.510 --> 00:18:15.800 Um, and I really call it reactivity. 00:18:16.150 --> 00:18:21.980 Um, so reactivity, um, you know, timid. 00:18:22.280 --> 00:18:27.330 And I do a lot of work with animals in shelters, and I always ask for the 00:18:27.390 --> 00:18:30.990 unadoptable, the animals that haven't been adopted, that are sitting there. 00:18:31.340 --> 00:18:35.700 And then I've broken it into four types that I, I really like to work on. 00:18:36.110 --> 00:18:39.260 Number one is the ones that have become invisible, whether they've had 00:18:39.290 --> 00:18:41.870 some sort of a surgery or a trauma. 00:18:42.310 --> 00:18:44.580 Two, the just plain old timid ones. 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:49.190 Three, the super exuberant ones that, you know, just get overlooked because they 00:18:49.190 --> 00:18:50.920 could knock your grandma down, right? 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:53.670 And then four would be the reactive. 00:18:54.770 --> 00:18:55.340 And so, 00:18:59.750 --> 00:19:02.780 Anke: I'm picturing it because I've got a big dog, like I've got a, 00:19:02.780 --> 00:19:06.450 I've got a Spanish massive puppy and like, like she's literally like that. 00:19:06.500 --> 00:19:09.150 Like if she was to come up, like she would knock my grandma down. 00:19:10.460 --> 00:19:12.300 Joan: Yeah, exactly. 00:19:14.225 --> 00:19:17.015 Yeah, I mean, this is the smallest of my dogs. 00:19:17.075 --> 00:19:19.235 I've got, I mean, I've got medium sized dogs. 00:19:20.070 --> 00:19:20.290 Um, 00:19:22.990 --> 00:19:23.515 but yeah. 00:19:23.515 --> 00:19:23.725 Now let 00:19:23.725 --> 00:19:24.655 Anke: me ask you something. 00:19:26.265 --> 00:19:27.075 Uh, like 00:19:29.195 --> 00:19:33.975 the fact that you, that you're an animal communicator, I would kind of 00:19:33.975 --> 00:19:39.285 almost think that supercharges like what you can do with EFT, right? 00:19:39.285 --> 00:19:42.645 Because I've noticed I've taken an a FT class, like, you know, back 00:19:42.645 --> 00:19:44.595 in 2002 when that was first year. 00:19:44.805 --> 00:19:48.355 And I remember there was one particular teacher where I'm 00:19:48.355 --> 00:19:50.565 like, this is nothing for me. 00:19:50.565 --> 00:19:52.785 Like when you don't actually speak. 00:19:53.190 --> 00:19:56.870 You know, when the thing that you like, the statements, like when the stuff you 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:03.300 work on, when that doesn't really hit what's going on, the whole thing feels 00:20:03.300 --> 00:20:08.230 kind of like ridiculous, like it doesn't help if you're not pinpointing, if 00:20:08.230 --> 00:20:13.590 you're not like really pinning down the underlying fear or like whatever's, but 00:20:13.600 --> 00:20:15.705 if you hit it, You know, I don't know. 00:20:15.705 --> 00:20:18.215 I kind of found like, oh, I'm bursting into tears. 00:20:18.215 --> 00:20:19.535 Like, oh, I've hit the spot here. 00:20:19.545 --> 00:20:23.335 Like I'm onto something, you know, and the release is massive, right? 00:20:23.645 --> 00:20:29.535 But, so I think, If you can really tune into that animal, like, you know, 00:20:29.535 --> 00:20:33.115 like if you can, what you did, what you do, what you shared with the horse, 00:20:33.115 --> 00:20:37.075 like, you know, you think, well, if you just go like, Oh, look, these 00:20:37.075 --> 00:20:38.565 people around you make me nervous. 00:20:38.905 --> 00:20:43.515 And he goes, and what's actually really going on is, is that memory, that 00:20:43.555 --> 00:20:47.595 association you had to the ponies, like, you don't catch that, you can 00:20:47.595 --> 00:20:49.155 tap your heart out and it won't tell. 00:20:50.655 --> 00:20:51.285 Is that your experience? 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:57.820 Joan: Yeah, here's, and here's what I did was, okay, so yeah, I can supercharge it 00:20:57.820 --> 00:21:02.450 by being the animal communicator, but I did write a book called Emotional Freedom 00:21:02.520 --> 00:21:09.560 Technique for Animals, and in it I have a bunch of investigative questions that 00:21:09.570 --> 00:21:12.940 you as the dog owner could ask yourself. 00:21:13.530 --> 00:21:18.970 And, and you almost kind of like, I have people close their eyes and feel into it. 00:21:19.320 --> 00:21:25.100 But if you think about, um, the, the very simple, look at animals 00:21:25.110 --> 00:21:29.160 feel as deeply as we do, but they aren't as nuanced as we are. 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:30.280 So like we could have. 00:21:30.580 --> 00:21:32.300 regret and all these things. 00:21:32.340 --> 00:21:34.860 They're going to have fear, they're going to have panic, they're going to 00:21:34.870 --> 00:21:40.030 have lust, they're going to have, uh, they want to seek and smell, right? 00:21:40.030 --> 00:21:42.580 Like it's, it's more simple. 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.380 So you can basically hit it with something like, I hate ponies 00:21:47.420 --> 00:21:49.765 or I'm afraid of this, right? 00:21:49.815 --> 00:21:54.335 So, if you keep it really simple, you're doing yourself 00:21:54.335 --> 00:21:55.725 the biggest favor on the planet. 00:21:55.795 --> 00:22:01.495 Because, for example, if, look at, my dog doesn't like to get in the car, 00:22:01.505 --> 00:22:04.245 and I've been really working, every time I do a podcast or something, 00:22:04.245 --> 00:22:05.805 I'm like, I'm working on her. 00:22:06.115 --> 00:22:12.705 Um, so, I, if I, I just go with, and what happened was she was 00:22:12.725 --> 00:22:14.585 blown down here when I adopted her. 00:22:15.205 --> 00:22:18.785 I picked her out in utero because my friend is a rescue and the 00:22:18.935 --> 00:22:20.625 mother got dumped at the rescue. 00:22:22.005 --> 00:22:26.545 I said, well, if there's a border collie cross and a girl, she's mine. 00:22:27.115 --> 00:22:29.685 And I knew there was one in that little bag of puppies. 00:22:29.695 --> 00:22:36.135 So when she was born, I knew I was getting her, and that was four years ago, but 00:22:36.135 --> 00:22:41.085 she was flown down in a little plane, and it was loud, and she was by herself. 00:22:41.495 --> 00:22:46.465 And so, it would be really easy just to tap on, like, I'm afraid, 00:22:46.755 --> 00:22:50.625 I'm afraid, I'm afraid, I'm afraid. 00:22:51.190 --> 00:22:52.240 I'm afraid. 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:54.560 I'm afraid to get in the car. 00:22:54.670 --> 00:22:57.070 I'm afraid of being alone in the car. 00:22:57.500 --> 00:23:02.150 And then if we think about, well, she also left her family, right? 00:23:03.070 --> 00:23:04.490 I was sad. 00:23:04.710 --> 00:23:06.020 I was so sad. 00:23:06.250 --> 00:23:07.460 I was so sad. 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:09.110 I was so sad. 00:23:09.690 --> 00:23:10.960 I was so sad. 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:12.995 I was so sad. 00:23:13.385 --> 00:23:15.565 I was so sad. 00:23:16.805 --> 00:23:20.345 And then we think, well, she did end up somewhere great. 00:23:20.595 --> 00:23:25.815 And I mean, she loves her family now, but I am going to let this go. 00:23:26.595 --> 00:23:29.085 I ended up with the best family. 00:23:29.615 --> 00:23:30.995 I love my family. 00:23:31.125 --> 00:23:32.405 I love my family. 00:23:33.015 --> 00:23:34.255 I love my family. 00:23:34.805 --> 00:23:36.135 I love my family. 00:23:36.665 --> 00:23:39.115 I am happy and I can get in the car. 00:23:40.465 --> 00:23:44.415 So, um, you know, it's just really simple. 00:23:45.115 --> 00:23:47.085 You don't have to make it complicated. 00:23:47.085 --> 00:23:51.065 I always tell my students, you know, I teach this and I have a school 00:23:51.065 --> 00:23:54.665 for animal communication and energy healing and I always say it's not 00:23:54.675 --> 00:23:58.085 great script writing freedom technique. 00:23:58.225 --> 00:23:58.715 It's a much 00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:05.280 Anke: But I think that's, that's really hopeful because, you know, 00:24:05.550 --> 00:24:11.750 like I kind of want to pull out that, yeah, you don't have to be an animal 00:24:11.750 --> 00:24:13.200 communicator to make this work. 00:24:13.780 --> 00:24:13.870 Right? 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:14.420 Absolutely. 00:24:14.420 --> 00:24:16.220 I love the simplicity of that. 00:24:16.220 --> 00:24:19.360 Yeah. 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:20.650 I'm also going to let go. 00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:25.440 Joan: Yeah, in my book I have all the charts, I have what they mean, so 00:24:25.470 --> 00:24:31.510 even, like if you see that your animal really like, like horses love this. 00:24:31.550 --> 00:24:37.300 I just was at this, the Denver Horse Expo, and this older gentleman came up to me 00:24:37.300 --> 00:24:43.230 and said, I'm a veterinarian, ma'am, and I learned early on that I didn't know what 00:24:43.230 --> 00:24:46.940 I was doing, I didn't know I was tapping, but I knew that that spot under the eye 00:24:46.950 --> 00:24:49.610 was, was the greatest spot on the planet. 00:24:49.610 --> 00:24:53.980 Well, it turns out that spot is stomach one, and we know that the 00:24:53.980 --> 00:24:59.810 gut is as much, uh, the barometer for emotions as anything on the planet. 00:24:59.850 --> 00:25:05.530 So this point is really one of the most calming points there is. 00:25:06.525 --> 00:25:06.835 Anke: Wow. 00:25:07.145 --> 00:25:08.355 I mean, it's fascinating, right? 00:25:08.355 --> 00:25:11.955 When people kind of almost like discover it, like almost stumble 00:25:11.955 --> 00:25:15.715 into it, you know, like by accident, you're just like, oh, yeah, that's, 00:25:15.765 --> 00:25:17.625 that's, yeah, it's fascinating. 00:25:17.625 --> 00:25:19.345 Like, I think this whole world's fascinating. 00:25:19.345 --> 00:25:22.405 There's so much we can do to help ourselves and the 00:25:22.435 --> 00:25:23.895 relationships and the animals. 00:25:24.280 --> 00:25:30.090 So where can people get the book, get your courses, find out more about you? 00:25:31.510 --> 00:25:35.300 Joan: Well, you can buy the book anywhere where it's sold, like Amazon, Barnes 00:25:35.300 --> 00:25:37.950 Noble, all of the places and bookstores. 00:25:38.535 --> 00:25:43.485 And then, um, I have a website, JoanRanquette. 00:25:43.515 --> 00:25:51.795 com, and they're J O A N R A N Q U E T dot com, and I have there my classes, 00:25:51.805 --> 00:25:55.365 my school, you can take an individual class, you can join a big program, 00:25:55.895 --> 00:25:57.765 and I take people on wildlife trips. 00:25:59.255 --> 00:26:00.665 Anke: That sounds delightful. 00:26:00.925 --> 00:26:03.545 Well, we're obviously going to pop the link in the show notes. 00:26:03.605 --> 00:26:06.655 If you're listening to the podcast, it's right above or below the video. 00:26:06.665 --> 00:26:10.815 If you're watching it in the, in the newsletter, go check her out. 00:26:10.845 --> 00:26:13.025 Like I'm going to go get the book now. 00:26:13.025 --> 00:26:14.625 So this is absolutely fascinating. 00:26:14.645 --> 00:26:16.135 Thank you so much for coming. 00:26:16.545 --> 00:26:20.995 And yeah, I can't wait to dig into the topic. 00:26:21.405 --> 00:26:22.055 Thanks so much. 00:26:22.975 --> 00:26:23.515 Joan: Thank you. 00:26:25.262 --> 00:26:26.492 Thanks so much for listening. 00:26:27.012 --> 00:26:31.312 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:26:31.412 --> 00:26:33.192 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:26:33.982 --> 00:26:37.472 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:26:37.902 --> 00:26:43.472 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:26:43.572 --> 00:26:45.942 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:26:45.942 --> 00:26:49.672 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:26:50.092 --> 00:26:51.232 I'd love an introduction. 00:26:51.712 --> 00:26:53.542 Email me at Anke. 00:26:53.812 --> 00:26:58.047 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.