For some reason I just was not scared.
I was fine.
I sat on my bed and felt that my spirit was coming
together and whooshing and coming up and wanted to
be dragged out my body.
And this was the feeling I got was that this, there's like
a suction pad on top of my head, and it sucked my spirit,
if you will, out of my body.
My guest today is Susie Pearl, a bestselling
author, and TEDx Speaker.
Susie is a brain cancer survivor who outlived
predictions of having a lifespan of just a few
weeks left to go, and during this time, she had
a near death experience.
She's currently writing another book about her
NDE and also writing a film treatment for this to
become a Hollywood movie.
Susie, welcome and thank you so much for
coming on the show.
Thanks so much.
Thanks for having me.
Susie would you like to give us a little bit of
background on your life up to the day of your NDE, and
then we can go from there?
Yeah.
I had a fast and colorful life as a celebrity PR.
I was looking after artists, big music artists.
And I had my own PR agency in London and it had
offices around the world.
And I was looking after people like Michael Jackson and
Madonna and the Spice Girls and all, and people like this.
I was having a great time running around.
Very busy running my own thing.
Lots of pressure.
Lots of press and deadlines and so on.
So I was living a stressed life, but a fun life.
And previously to that, I'd studied a lot about mind
technology, about hypnosis.
I was lucky enough to work with Paul McKenna, Richard
Bandler, co-created NLP neurolinguistic programming.
So I'd done a lot mind work and I knew the power of the
mind and how we can work with it to create extraordinary
things and healing.
I've done a lot of healing work with Theta Healing and
various other modalities.
So I was a celebrity running around fast person,
a kind of mind technology expert, and had a lot of
techniques in my belt, thank goodness as it turned out.
So tell us about the day of your NDE.
Okay how I got to be in hospital with a brain with
identified with brain cancer.
I started forgetting things.
I was losing my place and not knowing where
I'd parked my car.
And I went to meet a friend and I didn't know where I
was or how to get there, and she was concerned.
So she took me into hospital to get checked,
which I didn't wanna do.
But she made me do it.
She's very persuasive.
Serbian woman, my neighbor, she's brilliant.
So she bundled me off and told the doctors that I'd
been forgetting things.
They did me a brain scan and found that I had this
humongous brain tumor in my head and, it wasn't
looking good for me.
The doctor said I can't dress this up.
You've only got a few weeks.
Write a will, get your affairs together and get ready.
So I had this very strong, intuitive voice speaking to
me going, your storyline, is to stay, write books,
tell people, talk to people about what happens and you're
gonna get through this.
So I believed that and not really any except my son,
no one else believed that.
So I was in hospital.
Eventually I did agree to go to hospital after my family
really pushed me to do it.
So I went to Cambridge University Hospital.
I was in hospital and one day I was on my bed
and I just knew this day I was going to die.
I had this strong, strong feeling.
I wasn't scared.
For some reason I just was not scared.
I was fine.
I says, okay.
So I sat on my bed and I began to meditate.
I've been a meditator for about 15 years.
I work a lot with the David Lynch Foundation.
I'm a big fan of TM meditation, transcendental
meditation, and had done it for many years.
I sat on my bed and felt that my spirit was coming
together and whooshing and coming up and wanted to
be dragged out my body.
And this was the feeling I got was that this, there's like
a suction pad on top of my head, and it sucked my spirit,
if you will, out of my body.
And I felt myself leaving my body.
I knew this was a spectacular event.
So I, I went with it, you know, know, and I, I
felt my spirit leaving.
I then found myself outta my body, looking down upon my
body, and I felt like I was whizzing around the universe.
It was like I was being given a tour of heaven and I was
very comfortable with this.
I wasn't scared.
Wasn't scary to me at all, and it felt like floating
through an ocean of stars and it was very peaceful,
very beautiful place to be, and it was very expansive.
Obviously, being out of the container, that is my body.
And as I went on this journey, I don't know,
people say to me, how long were you there for?
There is no time construct in this place when we get
outta the body and modern scientists talk about in the
quantum field that time and space don't really exist.
It's more of a human construct, and I
understand that now.
I got a message telepathically, if you
will, or in my spirit form, that I had the option
to go back into my body.
Did I wanna do this?
And this was a one time choice point.
If it was yes, I could go back in.
If it was no, I would stay in this paradise place.
I'm a mom and I have a young son to look after.
So for me, it was a no-brainer.
I had to return.
I wanted to be looking after my son.
So I instructed myself to go back into my body.
Bam.
White flash.
Poof.
I was back in immediately, like immediately.
And as I came back in, I realized one, nothing would
be the same ever again.
Two, I have a new operating system.
I see things differently.
Three, it's like I had a relationship with myself, with
the world, with the universe, which is completely different.
And I would have to reintegrate in a different
way and deal with life differently and have to deal
with all the repercussions of that and the difficulties of
those people around me of how they were gonna deal with me.
So it was the reintegration was almost the most difficult
part of this journey.
As I came back in I felt amazing and slightly
blasted let's say.
I just thought, woo, what happened there?
Subsequently, I had another M R I scan at the
hospital shortly after this experience and the
doctor, wonderful doctor at Cambridge came back in.
He's one of the world's experts on oncology
and what I had.
And he walked in and he said, how are you doing?
I said, I'm great.
And he was shaking his head.
He said, we don't understand the results of this scan.
The previous scan showed this huge tumor.
Now, the results are quite extraordinary, and
I have no explanation.
He told me that the tumor had gone, there was no
scarring, and it was like it had never been there.
Bam.
Just like that.
I got healed.
And I was trying to process this information
and I didn't really, I'd never heard of an NDE.
I didn't know what an NDE was.
I began to do research later and found out about
near-death experience.
And what I found out was that my experience was
very similar to what other people experience as NDE's.
There are many common denominators and there are
many great people including scientists who have written
books on this and studied this very carefully.
It's very interesting subject.
And now I've met many people who've had, I
think they're more common than we've realized.
Myself, in my normal day-to-day life, met
many people now who have had similar experiences
and I talk to them.
Very similar.
My experience was that I healed from brain cancer
and I got a new operating software and I now feel
compelled to tell this story because it's a good one.
And it gives an insight into what life is about,
what happens when we die, what death is about, and
therefore it informs how to live life and live life
in a way that is expansive.
That is using our consciousness for the highest
good and learning how to use our consciousness in ways
that perhaps in our small frame of growing up in the
education system that, that we are in on this planet.
It doesn't really allow too much for learning
about consciousness and the power of the mind.
I'm now going to reference backwards to my time
studying mind technology, studying hypnosis,
studying altered states of reality that I did in my
pre-life, my pre NDE life.
So it all linked together.
It was like everything was working towards this moment
of me popping out my body, expanding my consciousness,
and coming back in.
As I was going in for the scan in hospital, I was
told, telepathically, if you will that - I said
what's going on here?
And they said, you've got a very big storyline and you
will write about this and you will inform many, many people
about what you're gonna learn.
And the power of the mind, the power of consciousness,
and the power we have as human beings to heal.
So I understood why this had happened.
I wasn't confused about why.
I was stunned by how it happened and the
actual event itself.
It was quite extraordinary to experience this,
and I'm very grateful.
I'm grateful for all of the story.
I'm grateful for having this illness, healing from
this illness, coming back in and having a platform
to be able to convey it to others in a way that
will be helpful I hope.
It's comforting to know that there is beautiful
land or a beautiful realm on the other side of life.
When people come to me now and say, oh, I've
lost someone dear to me, I can no longer say, oh,
that's so sad, I'm so sorry because I don't feel sad.
Because I know that they have gone to this most
beautiful place where there is no illness, there is no
grief, there's no strife.
It's literally heavenly.
So I can no longer commiserate.
I can congratulate but not commiserate.
And I feel now that every day is precious.
Every day is a gift.
And that we have to honor our gifts.
Stop the complaining, stop the gossiping, stopping
seeing the grubby bits of life, the underbelly of
life and stop worrying.
Stop, really stop complaining.
And what I learned was the importance of our
thoughts, our words, our emotions need to be
strong, positive emotions.
All of this drives reality, drives
experience that we have.
So we're not really taught this as young people, but
it's important that we must remember that everything
we speak is like a spell.
You know we talk about writing and spelling.
It's a spell.
We are telling the universe, instructing the universe
on the cosmic level what we wish to experience in life.
Now, there's a lot of talk these days about
law of attraction.
All of these physics, brilliant people
speaking about it.
Dr.
Joe Dispenza, Gregg Braden, all these kind of expert
scientists are reflecting on how modern day science
is informing us about consciousness and about
reality, and about how we create our reality.
For many people I understand that's a step too far.
Whoa.
I can't get to grips with this, say many people.
Understandable, because we're not taught it.
It's not in mainstream pilots, but boy, are we
getting very, very clear now.
And there's what, that's why we have platforms like this
where we can discuss with each other beyond the science
territory about the power of consciousness, the power of
your mind, and how to conduct life at the mind level in a
way that will create a better life for you and the planet.
And the more we become aware of our powers and how to use
and manipulate our mind power only still using these three,
four things, how we use words, how we use ideas, and what
we vision and focus on, how we feel and our emotions,
and importantly intentions when we set an intention.
The universe conspires to bring that to us.
I like coffee and I go to a lot of coffee bars and I
listen, and I'm a writer, so my job is listen and observe.
Since all of this happened, I've learned a lot of
big stuff about life.
I love to share it.
I listen to people's conversations and I hear,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
How are you doing?
Hi, how are you doing?
Oh and I'll come a load of like, dreadful explanations
about what's going on in life and very few people.
I I saw a guy this morning at my coffee shop and
I know him really well.
He is a nice guy and he said, Hey, Susie, how you doing?
I said, no.
I said to him, Hey, how you doing?
He said, I'm doing great.
How are you doing?
And I said, you know what?
I'm also doing great.
And it occurred to me as we were having this
exchange, it's rare.
Sadly, for people to say things like this to
each other, I'm great.
I'm really great.
Things are going good.
Quite rare.
We've learned to swap stories and share terrible
tales with each other.
The woes and the glooms and the, oh, he did this,
she did that or misery, or haven't got enough of this.
I haven't got enough of that.
No.
Because then you are instructing your powerful
mind, the most powerful computer in the universe
to create that reality.
Now, I know many people go, man, this is like crazy.
It's not.
I have been to the other side.
I've been out of my body.
I've seen how it works, and I'll give you an example.
When I set the intention to come back into my
body, It happened.
Bam.
Just like this really fast because I set the intention.
I was asked if I wanted to, I was given the option.
I said, yeah, but I was, when I decided I did wanna come
back, it was instantaneous.
And this is how the world can work.
Things can happen instantaneously in
the quantum field.
Believe it.
If you doubt it, have a look at some of the science
that's being put out in layman's terms by these
great people, these great psychologists, scientists,
modern day people, looking at the philosophy of life.
And you'll see that the science backs up the
concept that we create everything in our worlds
through this consciousness.
So let's get good at it.
Let's do it better.
And my mission now for the rest of my life,
I'm not a young spring chicken.
Well, I feel it actually.
My mission now is to have a wonderful, great
life that I feel is the best I can make it.
And uh, for me, there are no edges to that.
I have all sorts of adventures planned for this year.
The reason you had trouble getting me in
the diary is because I plan a lot of adventures.
I have a lot of adventures now because every day is a
gift and I wanna live, I wanna experience life, don't wanna
stay in a little tiny box.
And I'm a simple person.
I don't have a big hedge fund.
I don't have tons of money in the bank.
I am a simple person.
I live very simply.
I.
In nature, in Ibiza actually, which is a, a place of
joy and celebration, dancing, laughter.
People make a habit of it and people come here on
holiday to absorb that energy.
I made a choice to move from London, the city, to live here
10 years ago because I felt I wanted to be in the energy
Of life and enjoying life.
So I, I'm making it my business to make sure that I
have a really good life and teach my family my child as
well about the importance of what we can do to live
a happy and contented life.
Thanks for that, Susie.
I'm glad I stayed up to listen to this story.
It's quite inspirational.
I've got a few questions for you.
The first one is, so when you initially, I'll just go
back to your NDE and when you initially left your body
and you said you were shown the universe, was there
some transition between, okay, I can see my body and
then I'm being shown the universe, or was that pretty
much instantaneous in one place and then the other?
This concept of time is, it's like everything is
happening at the same time.
It's very hard for us to understand that as humans, but
this is what a lot of these modern scientists are talking
about, that there is only now.
People like Eckhart Toll and so on speak about be present.
Show up in the now because yesterday and tomorrow
don't really exist.
In the same way, when I went up, everything was
happening as a continuum.
There wasn't a kind of before, after middle,
and this happened.
It was all just one thing.
And it's very hard for us to understand that because we
are linear in our thinking, in our constructs, the way
we construct the world.
We are little, we go to school, we grow up and
our journey of follows through and we see it
on a linear timeline.
It's in reality in the cosmic world, it, there
isn't a linear timeline.
So I can't really give you a specific on that
cuz there isn't one.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
I had another one of my guests who had an NDE where
he, you mentioned this sea of soul, ocean of stars, I
think you used that term.
He used the term a sea of souls.
Do you think the stars that you saw were souls
or were they literally stars or not sure.
In this cosmic place, it's very hard to be factual or
to know or to understand what these illustrations.
Metaphors are.
The stars that I felt, I saw they, it was, the feeling
I got was like a night sky or a bright sky, let's
say with lots of galaxies.
It looked a bit like that.
Those images we see when we look at galaxies being
shown by people like Brian Cooks who looks at the
universe on a big scale.
I love that.
And I, that's the kind of feeling I got is
there's just lots.
We aren't the only galaxy.
There's a lot going on here, and we are tiny little
specs in the universe.
And one of the things, for example, if I was feeling sad
or worried about life, I can look at one of these images
which says, you are here.
This tiny little speck.
Our galaxy's a tiny little speck in this big plethora
of amazing infinite sense of stars and space.
And the space that we occupy here on planet Earth is
minuscule in the big story of the whole of existence.
We are a tiny speck, a pinhead in the big scheme.
So why worry frankly, you are on a pinhead.
You're spinning around on a planet.
It's part of a massive galaxy.
You are worried about your gas bill, or you are
worried about the woman next door won't cut her
hedge properly or whatever.
Forget it.
Grow up, expand.
Relax and enjoy.
Stop worrying or getting upset by things or getting
annoyed by other people.
It's really not a good use of your life.
Think more carefully.
This is my life.
How do I wish to spend it?
What was that Monty Python film?
Was it The Meaning of Life?
Yeah,
Yeah.
I forget the song, that was my first introduction as a
a teenager, I think, to the idea of the infiniteness of,
that's a good reference.
I must dig that out.
I'm gonna watch that later.
That's fun.
Really, if you are worried about what someone's done
at school today or work today, or they looked
at you sideways and you felt rotten, forget it.
You're spinning around in this massive galaxy
and billions of stars.
No one cares, so forget it and move on.
We're here I believe we are here with a goal and
we are here to experience life as a human being.
We have joy, happiness, harmony, and we are here
to really live life well.
We've got it wrong in so many ways and
this point in history.
And looking back in history, it's been wars fighting,
people killing each other.
It is crazy when you think about it.
How on earth can we think it's okay to kill another life?
It makes no sense.
We are here to explore the joy of being human.
To have consciousness, to have awareness, to have
understanding, to learn, to grow, to be kind, to be
compassionate to each other.
Stop the wars, stop the arguing.
Stop the falling out.
Stop the judgment and begin being in your
heart, expanding into that meditating, realizing that
your consciousness and how you run your brain dictates
how your life will unfold.
So get good at running your mind because it's the most
powerful thing you have.
Get really good at it.
Learn how to do it.
Get some good techniques.
Learn meditation.
Learn how to go into deep relaxed states.
Hypnosis is good.
Get in there and you can play with programs and
resources that you have built in and conditioned.
We're heavily conditioned.
You can recondition your belief systems in a way
that supports health, happiness, friendship,
connection, lifestyle.
Connection is really important.
I wanna speak about that.
Connection is why we are here.
We've lost connection.
People are going around with their phones.
I can see people in restaurants going out for
dinner and they're not looking at each other or speaking.
They're on their phones check.
I've just gotta check this.
No, let's connect in a more real way with others.
And when we get into proper connection, building proper
community, proper friendships, family, partners, communities.
Where we live this, and then take it further and further.
Let's begin to love everybody and get connected
more deeply and more authentically with others.
Stop the disconnection.
You know when we were wearing plastic shoes with plastic
rubber souls, you know we lost our connection with the earth.
Walk around at least half an hour every day
with your shoes off.
Connect with the land.
Walk on soil.
Go bathe in a forest, go to the sea, whatever it
is, get in with nature because this will affect
your brainwave state.
And your frequency.
We are all radio transmitters running around
on a certain frequency, transmitting to each other.
I'm transmitting to you.
You are transmitting to me, and we are
swapping frequencies.
And these frequencies affect the nature of our
thoughts and our reality and how good life turns out.
And our job is to raise our frequency.
We can do it through food, thoughts, environment.
Be in nature is really good because then you get
onto the harmonic frequency of the earth and then
you get aligned with the frequency of the earth.
Everything gets easier.
Things can flow to you, abundance can flow to you.
Happiness, good connections, all of these things can flow.
It's a frequency based concept, so I think it's
very important that we realize that connecting
with others, Connecting with ourselves through meditation
is a good way, for example connecting with the planet,
not being mean to the planet, but rather understanding
that it's our home.
Let's look after it.
It's very important that we become way more aware
of our environment and the people around us
and get kinder with it.
I like to go for walks in nature and I started doing
this about a year ago.
I live near a big natural reserve and I go for a
walk every lunchtime.
And I've gotten to the point now where I can't not go.
I have to actually go, I'll skip other things so
that I can go, it does something and I can't
really put my finger on it.
What you said then helps make a little more sense.
Now aligning with
the vibration of the earth.
Very much.
I'm not as diligent with meditation.
As soon as I wake up, if I meditate then I can get into
it for about 10 or 15 minutes.
But then after I've, it's all, it's like I've
left it too late and
then
Yeah.
mind Takes over.
yeah.
And from a brainwave point of view, it's best
meditation is great for us when you first wake up.
Don't even, don't do anything before.
Just use those, even if, and it's better to do it in short
periods of time, then think you have to have an extensive
half hour or hours meditate.
You don't need that.
Very simply, the power of doing it even for 10,
15 minutes when you first wake up or when you're
just going to sleep.
They're both really powerful brainwave states,
which you can use for manifesting more profoundly.
So don't get stuck into the day, cuz once you start and
you go out, that's the thing.
I like to exercise, I like to meditate, exercise
and then begin my day.
Because if I've done those two things, life is much better.
It just is.
I can create a much better world.
Yeah, get into good habits, good routine.
And a good routine is doing the essential stuff first
so it doesn't get nudged.
The exercise is one thing I always do in the morning, but
the meditation I'll keep doing that as soon as I wake up.
Cause I've never really heard anyone mention the timing.
I thought, is it better be more, a little more conscious?
But, and
When you wake
going to sleep
Yeah, both those times we're in this alpha
wave brainwave state.
It is easy when we are in Thetas, get very creative,
just waking up and going in.
We are in this heightened brainwave state, which
makes it really powerful.
And also from a habits and routine like help coach
people how to create routines and habits that are gonna
give you a better life.
And one solid way is to have a structure in your day, a
framework to get things done.
So make a list of things you really wanna
get done in your day.
Put them first, not last.
With meditation, when you wake up, when you go to sleep,
and then you've had two hits.
Bam.
Life will change, I promise you.
Okay.
Now there was something I forgot to ask you about
when you had the scans.
I'm cheating a little bit cuz I've heard you mention
this on another interview,
but I think it's interesting that you had three scans
and at some point you had an awareness of what those
scans were going to be.
Can you just tell us a bit about that and what the
reaction of the doctor was?
I think it's a good story.
I.
Yeah.
So I, the first scan I had I, my friend, my neighbor
took me to the hospital and as soon as I described my
symptoms of loss of memory
and being confused and so on, or, I dunno what
else I said, but something made them go, you need a
brain scan straight away.
So I got the first brain scan and the results
came back and the doctor told me to write a will.
And get my family here immediately.
Don't wait a week.
They need to come immediately and get your affairs together.
He showed me the scan, this gigantic tumor, on
this black and white image.
Wow.
That's in my head.
And I was in a good mood.
I was feeling great.
I was taking a lot of CBD oil.
Which was very useful and I still take it today.
And yeah, it showed a really bad situation.
And as I was going in for this first scan, that was
when I had this golden orb around me of angels who
came in and said, you're gonna have three scans.
This is the storyline.
One's terrible.
Don't worry.
The second one shrunk, the third one clear.
That's your storyline.
Believe it.
And, that's hard for people to say you had angels, you
had golden things around you.
Yeah, I did.
And I'm a, a grounded down to earth character.
I'm not a hippie, even though I live in Ibiza,
and I would quite like that hippie lifestyle.
I, you know, I've been running businesses, I've
been working, I've had a stellar career and been a
very grounded individual.
I would not be talking about angels.
I am now, this happened to me.
So the second time I had the scan I went in there and
then the doctor came back with the results very quickly
and he went it's promising.
It's well, I dunno if he used the word promising,
but certainly it went from disaster zone to improved.
And they were quite surprised cuz this was
quite a short space of time.
Then I had the third scan very soon after my NDE and
that was clear and they were saying, There's no scarring.
That makes no sense.
I've been a doctor in this area for 20 years,
and I've never seen this.
So it was extraordinary.
The three scans, terrible, better, clear, full,
they put on my notes.
I remember seeing it full remission.
I didn't even know what full remission meant.
I looked it up, completely healed, and I was given the
okay to go back to my house and see my friends in Ibiza.
Hadn't seen for seven or eight months.
So I left the hospital.
I was very excited to plan.
I had been focusing on what my future looked like
and what, even though I'm talking about, there is no
future, in my mind's eye, I had been visualizing.
Visualizing.
Cause that's another thing that's really powerful
with our minds and our consciousness is the
power of visualization.
I'm gonna write a book about that cause it's so brilliant.
When we visualize, we are instructing and telling our
brain what it is we wish to create and the brain -I had
learned this from my days with Paul McKenna and hypnosis.
When you imagine something, the brain has not got the
capability to know whether it's imagined or real.
So the trick is imagine what you want powerfully,
regularly, in detail.
I was imagining all the time what I was gonna do
when I got well, and I got out of this hospital.
I was gonna go sit on the beach, be with my
friends, dance, have laughter, have lovely
lunches around a table, da.
I kept visualizing.
I ordered the clothes.
I ordered some beautiful beach gear that I was gonna
wear, and a nice hat that I was gonna wear on the beach
because I wanted to really bring this into my reality.
It worked.
So I was let out and they said, okay, full remission,
really surprising.
Scan, you are off.
You can go.
You have to come back every six months and get checked.
I said, okay, fine.
I immediately, the first thing I did when I got out
was book a flight to Ibiza, where I had been living.
And I went to Ibiza and I saw some friends.
The first day I got back, we went out for a drink.
It was around christmas time.
We went for a drink and I came back with my friend
to the house, my house.
I looked at it and I saw smoke coming out my front door.
I thought, wow, what's going on?
And I lived in a forest, beautiful house in the
forest, smoke billowing at this point coming out.
And we opened the door and there was the bright deep
red flames coming out.
The whole house was engulfed in thick, black smoke.
Major fire.
So much so we couldn't get in the house.
And the person I was with called the fire brigade.
I went and got them and brought them into the forest
where we lived, and they began trying to put the fire out.
They managed to do this.
We were living all around with trees and wood.
There was gas cylinders there for use with the cooking.
Very dangerous situation.
We had flames, dry wood all over and gas bottles.
Any moment it could ignite and blow.
That night, and this was literally the day I got
back from hospital and I got back to my home.
That night I lost everything in this house fire.
All my books, all my notes, all the books I
was working on, all my clothes, all my photographs.
Everything went up in flames.
There was one thing that was left.
When I went back the next morning with my friends,
there was a group of us went back and they were like, oh
my gosh, this is devastating.
I'm so sorry.
There was a big pile of soot where the kitchen had been
and there was one tarot card.
My tarot card deck sitting on top of the soot.
This card was called, was the rebirth card.
If I didn't already know what this was about, this
was telling me, this card was telling me, this is rebirth.
We've taken you right down.
We've stripped all your memories because that I lost
all my memory when I got ill.
And now we've taken everything and you've gotta start again.
So I was homeless and this is a day after I got back.
That was a rebirth on a major level, and I had
to start from scratch.
I had very little money.
I had no home.
My son was due to arrive back at any point and I
didn't know what to do.
So that was when I learned about the power of community.
My community, the gorgeous people around who lived
around me, who I was very good friends with, they
all got together and helped and got me some stuff, some
clothes and some things and found out whose house would
be free and we could move in.
And so I of house hopping for a while.
Completely homeless.
And I had to rebuild my life and it was very difficult
cuz I saw the world very differently now after my NDE.
Now I was not the person I was before.
I couldn't take, I was very sensitive.
I couldn't take negativity or gossip and all these things,
I just couldn't handle it.
And then I had to go and live in other people's houses
that they kindly lent me.
And it very difficult.
Eventually I said, look, I have to have my own home.
And some very kind wealthy people in my
community got together and and made that happen.
And I'm still here today.
You mentioned you had a new operating system.
Yes.
And I've had other guests talk about this sudden increase
in empathic abilities like you feel other people feel,
and that takes a while to be able rebuild and block
that off when you need to.
Yeah, because it, it's a gift.
part of your upgrade?
Yeah, it's a gift to be that sensitive.
But of course, also it's a challenge.
I can't be around drunk people, people in
altered states and who are in low frequency.
I find that very difficult and it pulls my frequency down.
I can't do it.
So I've learned, I have to eat very well fresh,
organic, clean food.
I have to be in a good environment.
I'm very sensitive.
I'm ultra-sensitive now.
And that is difficult sometimes.
I, it's been a very difficult transition back to life
because then we had pandemic.
I was homeless and then I had to get a new place and
I hadn't got big reserves to work with, so I it had
become a very difficult flight after this NDE to
get back to life with this new operating software, with
this new awareness, with this new sensitivity, and
without her home and all my stuff, I had no, nothing left.
So it was a strip back of the highest order
that I went through.
So I had to get philosophical about this and realize
that this has happened to me for a reason.
One thing I learned was that everything that happens to
us in life has trace elements of things we need to learn
and our big lessons, and this was a massive lesson
to me and I've learned massively, and I know that
this storyline was given to me because I'm a writer.
I have great contacts and a really great
platform of people who wanna hear what I say.
So I know I was given it because I need to be
talking about it and sharing this wisdom with other
people so they can help other people in some ways.
And to have this level of sensitivity.
It has to be carefully handled and I have to really
carefully handle where I go, my environment I go to and I'm
saying no a lot more than I'm saying yes it's the things I
will show up to these days.
Very carefully curate my environment and my inputs.
Films.
For example, I had a look at Netflix last night.
And I was with a friend wanting to watch films.
I, there were most of it I couldn't watch drama, action,
shooting guns, terrorizing, killing each other.
I don't want that as an input.
I don't, however, I am very interested.
I'm a writer.
I'm artistic.
I'm a creative.
I like good storytelling.
I love it.
I love great films, but I have to be really
careful what I watch.
And most of the Hollywood stuff is a no-go for me.
It's too terrifying.
I don't wanna terrify myself.
I know that we shouldn't terrify ourselves.
It's not good for the physiology of your
beautifully balanced system.
No.
So I have to now be very careful and
curate very carefully.
Your story reminds me of Anita.
Anita Mok
Anita Moorjani, she's a Hay House author.
Yes.
Anita Moorjani.
She's written a book, dying to Be Me
Dying.
Yes.
That was actually one of the first books about
NDE's that I read, but I just, there's definitely
parallels, obviously, between her story and yours.
Have you met her in person?
I'm in touch with her.
In fact, her office kindly got me I was looking for
a lit new literary agent because my literary agent
was unwell and wasn't had to leave the business.
So I wrote to Anita's team, and they very kindly put me
in touch with the guy who's now my literary agent, who's
wonderful, and he, he looks after Deepak Chopra, really
fantastic names in my genre.
So I'm very grateful to her and she does great work.
Her style and position is quite different to me.
We say similar stuff, but in very different ways.
As do a lot the NDE authors, we're a tribe and we are
getting the message out in different and good ways.
As someone who's spoken to and you are like the
11th or 12th person.
Yeah.
Everyone's got a, their stories have similarities,
but everyone's got a different way of telling it.
Everyone's got their own history, and some people
have become authors.
Some are very reluctant to talk about it.
The some have only just started coming out.
Some had happened 40 years ago and
Yeah.
And just started I learned not to talk about mine when
it first happened because I, when I was in hospital
and I wanted to get out of hospital and they already
thought I was pretty crazy because I wouldn't allow
people, doctors, and anyone coming in, including family
visitors to talk negatively.
Talk about the likelihood of me dying, the likelihood
of me not getting through.
No, I do not want to hear negative because the brain
will take it as a, a.
Take it without the negatives, encoding it and take it
as real, like, you will die or this will happen.
No.
So even doctors, I said, I don't wanna
hear your negative chat.
Any negativity.
Don't want it.
If you wanna tell me how well I'm doing great.
If you wanna tell me how likely I'm to die,
I don't want to hear it.
And so I forced others around me to talk positively.
I was already a very positive person.
I'd learned the power of positive
conversation and output.
I've learned that already through my days with Paul
McKenna and neurolinguistic programming where the
language informs the cells what's going on.
We wanna tell the cells a really good story
and uplift and keep them good and healthy.
And you do that by good storytelling, not negative
stuff, scary stuff.
No, you want to talk a positive story,
so very important.
I've got one other question for you.
How do you feel within yourself now that you're
sharing this story more, at least from an online
perspective I can see that you've started
Yeah.
And the reason I was reluctant to say while I was still ill,
because I thought everyone thought I was be so crazy
and they might just medicate me and not let me out.
And When I did get out and I started talking about it,
I realized people didn't know how to handle this.
This is too big.
And they weren't engaging with it.
And some people whose belief systems wouldn't
allow this kind of story.
So I learned to zip it and just not share because I
didn't wanna be, I didn't want people to think I was mad and
crazy for talking like this.
But now I've got over that and know, I, for which I'm lucky
cuz I've got books out, I wrote a book while I was ill.
The Art of Creativity, which did really well.
David Lynch, the film director.
He he was kind enough to give me a really brilliant
testimonial and backed it.
So I couldn't have been this crazy woman because I was a
high class creative luckily.
But had I not have been, had I just been.
Not with these kind of accolades.
People would just say she's mad.
She's just mad.
She's talking about this crazy story.
She went off to heaven.
It is cra.
She's just crazy.
Fortunately, I've got enough in my life, in my
career to show that I'm not an insane person.
I'm intelligent person who doesn't, who tells
the truth fortunately.
So I've been able now to build an established platform
to be able to speak about this without fearing how
other people are gonna react.
And now I've realized it is my mission.
And the reason I went through this is to communicate
and share with others this more expansive side of life
that we are all, if we are humans, we all have access
to this incredible power.
Power for healing, power for accessing other
dimensions if we wish.
I'm looking a lot about what happens with the dream world,
lucid dreaming and that's a very interesting area.
I'm very inter, I've done a lot of work with.
Helping the Beckley Foundation who are researching at the
John Hopkins University on psychedelics and how
that might help people in situations of all sorts of
things from ADHD to all sorts of things and how powerful
and how much it's been squashed by the pharmaceutical
industry over the years.
The power of it for healing.
I was very, always, very interested in looking at
this and supporting the use of very powerful plant
medicines to heal people.
I believe that's a good thing.
I don't believe that plants will can be
growing that are bad.
I believe that their their power and capabilities have
been squashed over the years because of the billion dollar
industry of pharmaceuticals.
That makes sense.
And they have absolutely prevented and tried to
stop the communication of the power of plants.
But fortunately now with the internet and with
the global communication, it's become increasingly
hard to hold that down.
But psychedelics are a powerful force for good that
we can use in mental health.
Mental health has become such an important
topic in this world.
We're at crisis point.
People are fearful, people are upset, people are terrorized
with things going on in their lives around the world
in war zones and outside of war zones, kids in school.
The problems with being over connected with technology.
Terrible impact.
So we need to have really good tools in our toolbox
for recovery, for readjusting mental health, for helping
people get back on track, for helping kids to get
off their devices and start playing and being kind to each
other and establishing good relationships in real life.
And know, now there's this thing of in, in real life,
IRL l I'll see you IRL.
So the kids are talking about, I will see you in real life.
Like it's an extraordinary thing.
No, we are meant to be together.
We're meant to be having fun and outdoors and
connecting with other humans.
We've gotta get back to that, and when we do,
we'll get healthy again.
I'm glad you found a community that allows you to speak
openly about your experience, and I'm also glad that you
that's what I'm doing as well.
So I'm glad that you could be here and helping expand
that for me as well.
So we're getting close to running outta time,
but I wanted to ask you how people are gonna
have questions, right?
Is that something that you are open to?
And what's the best way for people to get
in touch with you?
I am here to share whatever I've got that's
worth sharing, and I'm really happy to do that.
I love it if people get in touch.
It is all from my website, which is susiepearl.com and
if you go there, you can find out where I am on social.
You can get a contact email for me and you you can get
in touch and do get in touch.
I love answering things and I do a lot of online
stuff where I open it up, take questions and talk.
So whatever I can do to connect with others and to
help and to communicate, I'm really happy to do
okay, great.
And have you got any final message that you wanted
to leave people with before we wrap things up?
I think you've got a belief in yourself, your life,
and believe that we are meant to be here having
fun and having a good time.
I recently done a TEDx talk I mentioned there are four,
five things that I I learned when I went through this.
Things that are fundamental to living a good life
and it's like life hacks, ways to live life.
I didn't get a chance cuz I had a very short time in my
TED Talk, so I only covered a few things, but I have written
it all down in an ebook.
Get it on my website.
It's things I learned when I had three weeks to live.
And there I have details, all the things that I
will learnt that are big things to make life better.
Have a look at that and I think be kind,
be compassionate and live your best life
are my parting words.
Thanks for that message, Susie, and thank you
for coming on the show to be my guest.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
It's been a real pleasure talking to you.