WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:15.160 practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome, Welcome, Welcome to Friday with 4 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:15.919 the Bible Guys. 5 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:16.920 It's so good to be here. 6 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:17.280 It is. 7 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.000 So we're shooting. We're shooting these episodes, and we're on 8 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:23.079 the last one for this week. Yes, and this whole time, 9 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:24.679 your wife has been blowing up your phone. 10 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:29.199 She has just said that bird started. The reason why 11 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:33.280 is because technically we're shooting this on a Wednesday. Yeah, 12 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:35.200 and I have a small group in a couple of hours. 13 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:39.119 So my wife is saying, Hey, we're buying pizza. I 14 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:41.799 need two bags of ice when you come home. Don't 15 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:42.759 forget this, do this. 16 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.679 And then it was so also it was multitasking during 17 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:47.920 this episode, is what I'm saying. Yes, he's putting together 18 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:50.119 shopping list. I gotta get ice or Liz is gonna 19 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:52.200 be mad at me. So, Hi, Liz, I just want 20 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.320 you to know Chris is being very dedicated to making 21 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:57.359 sure he's getting prepared for By the way, for a smallgret, 22 00:00:57.759 --> 00:00:59.479 are you doing small group this week? We're not. I'm 23 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:00.960 traveling too, Okay. 24 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.960 So the uh so, last week was you on video. 25 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:05.560 You oh yeah, yeah, me and Bony, but. 26 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:08.000 This week is myself on video. So I'm going to 27 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:09.719 be teaching the group and then I'm gonna say, hey, 28 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.560 now watch this video and be Liz and I and 29 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:14.239 I feel pretty weird about that. 30 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:17.799 I did it in the in January, you know, the winter. 31 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.560 This semester that we did, I had all like, uh know, 32 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:24.480 eighteen young adults all which is so it was weird 33 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.200 because we put on the video of me talking and 34 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:26.920 then I'd have to talk. 35 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:29.439 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's almost exactly what we have. 36 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.840 We have twenty one in our group. If everybody shows 37 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:33.480 yeah right, that was the same thing for yeah, and 38 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.439 then and then we have young adults. It's fun, It's 39 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:41.200 very fun. So we are wrapping up our series that 40 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.680 we promised to do, which is called Stump the Pastor. 41 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:48.519 And if you want to write in a question every 42 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.760 day we've been saying, please email us at info at 43 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:54.640 the Bible guys dot com, or just comment on a 44 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:56.920 YouTube page or something like that where you're able to 45 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.319 post comments if you have any question at all, We 46 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.599 would love to get there for future episodes. Good yeah, 47 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:04.519 and so we want to jump into the first question. 48 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.760 Sounds good to me, okay, So here. 49 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:10.360 Is the first stump the pastor question. It says, when 50 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:14.919 I pray to the Lord, is this Jesus or God? 51 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.120 This is by the way, Mike G. Did I already 52 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:18.439 say that? 53 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:20.560 I know you didn't, Hi, mike G. 54 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:24.520 Hi, Mike G. And by the way, I don't. It 55 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:28.080 looks like you've had a scripture reference there. But can 56 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:29.639 I tackle this one? 57 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:30.280 Oh? Please? 58 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.840 So this is something that I have always paid attention to. 59 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:40.080 So a couple episodes ago, during this week, we talked 60 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:42.159 about I said, I think it was on Monday, and 61 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.199 I actually said, has anybody ever asked you to bless 62 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:45.680 this item? 63 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:46.360 Yes? 64 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:48.560 Right, that's right, and it's I said, that's a whole 65 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:49.639 other conversation altogether. 66 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:50.080 Right. 67 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:56.000 I remember being in conversation a very long time ago 68 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:59.680 with a Bible professor and we had these great debates 69 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:03.840 in classroom, and there were several things that stood out, 70 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.360 and just for fun, I'll just give you one that's 71 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:08.159 not this question. Then I'll lead it to my question. 72 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:11.759 So did you know that nowhere in the New Testament 73 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:17.240 that does Jesus ever say bless this food, nor is 74 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:20.159 there any object being blessed. Right, So the Bible tells 75 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:22.560 us that every blessing has been given. So in the 76 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.080 Old Testament they would they would bless items, there would 77 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.960 be things that be blessed. But the New Testament that 78 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.520 has done away with because every blessing is given, and 79 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.800 when Jesus prayed for food, he never said, bless this food. 80 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.039 So therefore, if there's not blessed items, and and everything 81 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:42.039 is blessed, then that means that there is no such 82 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:47.960 thing technically theologically right as blessed food and unblessed food. 83 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:53.840 There's no such thing. So to say something is unblessed. 84 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:56.240 What did you mean by every blessing has been given? 85 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:01.439 Well, Jesus gives us blessings freely, so so there's there's 86 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.599 if every blessing has been given and not to mention. 87 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:09.879 Uh again, we're talking about something, a thing, whether it 88 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:13.719 be food or whether it be an object. Uh, is 89 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:17.000 there there's no blessed object in the New Testament, right, 90 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.319 So it's sort of two things. So Jesus, Jesus says 91 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:24.519 blessings are given freely, and then also there's no blessed objects, 92 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.519 so there's there's there's nothing that's unblessed and blessed. So 93 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:31.199 those two things combined, and actually three things combined. 94 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.639 I think, what do you mean by the word blessed. 95 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.360 Well, again, that's that's the thing we pray. We say 96 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:41.240 God blessed this food, right, indicating that it's not blessed. 97 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:41.959 Right. 98 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.519 And so then then the third thing combined would be 99 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:48.839 the fact that Jesus never asked God to bless any food. 100 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:51.399 Every time he prayed for food, he said thank you, 101 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:52.199 thank you for. 102 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.199 The food, for the food food. 103 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:56.279 Anyway, all that to say, I just remember this big 104 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:58.560 conversation in this in this uh you know, in this 105 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:06.600 uh Bible it's debate where the professor says, theologically, I'm 106 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:08.480 not going to ever really correct you if you say 107 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.720 God bless this food. But technically there's no such thing 108 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:14.680 as unblessed food and blessed food. So you don't have 109 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:18.360 to pray for for anybody to bless your food because 110 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:22.600 it's not unblessed. And he says, so, so playing praying 111 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:27.000 for blessed this food is actually something that uh, that's irrelevant, 112 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:30.000 and so it's and so and actually it was it's 113 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:34.199 in the category of things we pray. That's wrong, right, Yeah, 114 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.319 so that's what do you think about that? By the way, 115 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:38.600 it's not it's not it's it's not one of our topics. 116 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.040 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm reading along that way 117 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.160 because it's it's you know, how should you pray the Lord? 118 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:43.480 Yeah? 119 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.120 Yeah, I think that. You know, when you're saying, bless 120 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:47.920 this food to my body is a different thing than 121 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:51.639 That's why I was asking you, what do you what 122 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.000 do you mean by the word blessing? 123 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:53.279 Yeah? 124 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.639 Yeah, it is like put your magic pixie dust on 125 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:58.600 it and make it special. 126 00:05:59.040 --> 00:05:59.360 Yeah. 127 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.319 Well, is that what you're thinking, is blessing? I think 128 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:02.879 I think you're asking I think you're saying that from 129 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:06.879 like a Catholic perspective of blessing a thing. Oh yes, yeah, 130 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.720 as opposed to us how I grew up. Yeah, as 131 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:13.319 opposed to the word bless it. Blessed just means the 132 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.000 favor of God. That's all it means. So blessed are 133 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.519 you in fath favor? Blessed are the poor and spirit? 134 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.240 He says happy. That's what the word blessed means. When 135 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:24.480 Jesus talked about blessed, is this happy? 136 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:26.319 Well, that's not what we pray. When we say bless 137 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.759 the food, we don't say happy make the food, and 138 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:30.480 we certainly don't say give the favor of God on 139 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:31.000 this oatmeal. 140 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.759 Yeah, so I think you think that you're praying a 141 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.800 blessing on the food as opposed to most people say 142 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:39.000 bless this food to my body. 143 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:44.959 Yeah, yes, food period, to my body, as the application. 144 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.759 Gives supernatural favor to this food and to my body 145 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.519 in this moment, as opposed to just natural consumption of 146 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.759 the food. I think that's what that's that's the request. 147 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:54.160 Nothing inappropriate about it. 148 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:57.040 I've opened up a big can of worm shitting. So 149 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.279 so I would say I still adhere to the fact 150 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:04.879 that UH, praying blessing over the food is unnecessary and uh, 151 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.240 and and and I could maybe I'll come back around 152 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:11.000 and and and qualify that. And then and then another 153 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.360 thing was is UH. And I remember specifically talking about 154 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.800 UH everywhere in the New Testament and in the Old 155 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.800 Testament even it talks about the fact that Jesus's purpose 156 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.000 is to reconcile us with a relationship with our heavenly Father. 157 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.439 And every time that we pray, we pray to the 158 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.759 heavenly Father. Every time Jesus prayed, he played to the Father. 159 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:35.360 Every time that there is a prayer given, it's to 160 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.079 the Father, and it's through Jesus. Jesus the mediator who 161 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.920 stands between God and man. Right, Jesus the reconciler, the 162 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.120 one who brings us back to the to the relationship 163 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:46.959 that is broken in the garden of Eden, which is 164 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.879 the Father. The fact that God the Father is the 165 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:53.879 one who has the will for us, that's his role 166 00:07:54.399 --> 00:08:00.199 and you know, in in his personhood. So I always say, 167 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:04.600 I'm not going to correct you. If you pray to Jesus, 168 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:07.279 that's not a big deal because after all, we serve 169 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.600 one God in three persons, God the Father's son, Holy 170 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:18.680 Spirit right trindly, so he's still God. But theologically you're 171 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:25.319 supposed to pray to the Father through Jesus Christ or 172 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.160 in Jesus name, because Jesus is the bringer of us 173 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.079 to God the Father. And then of course the Holy 174 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:36.000 Spirit's job is the interpreter of those prayers. So the 175 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:39.000 Spirit is the one who brings the prayer and communicates 176 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:42.600 the prayer to the Father, and Jesus makes it possible 177 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:43.840 for us to pray to the Father. 178 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:51.399 Yeah, So the word theologically would imply the right way, right, 179 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:55.240 this is what God commands. And I don't think that 180 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:55.759 that's true. 181 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.519 I didn't necessarily attach it to a command. I always 182 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.799 thought logically meant the theology of the belief. 183 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:07.000 Yeah, I would say biblically, because there's different theologies. That's 184 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.399 what I'm saying, so biblically, Yeah, yeah, that's it's not 185 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:15.679 so biblically. Yeah, I can't think of Are there any 186 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.919 verses that are there any prayers in the Bible that 187 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.600 aren't to the Father but are to the Spirit, say, 188 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:24.159 or to the to the Son. 189 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.639 I think the answer is no. I could pretty confidently 190 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:29.000 say me, search it. If you find one, I'm gonna be. 191 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:34.360 I'm gonna be. Yeah, well, I tie with my hat 192 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:34.759 in hand. 193 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.279 But I was going to say, I often will pray 194 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:42.039 to the Holy Spirit or to Jesus, which again is 195 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.200 not inappropriate. It's not in a prose, not forbidden, that's correct. 196 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.039 But what you're saying is all the prayers wind up 197 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.039 being directed to the Father anyways, because it's it's his will. 198 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.559 I'm saying that. I think prayers are intended for the Father. 199 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.879 I think that's what the Bible indicates in every turn 200 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.480 when it talks about praying, and then even when it 201 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.720 talks about uh again, the role of the Father is 202 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.840 the one that we should pray too because of his role. 203 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:17.559 Oh oh oh, no, did you find one? Yeah? Is 204 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:18.840 it New Testament or Old Testament? 205 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:19.840 New Testament? 206 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:21.039 Okay? Sure. 207 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.559 As they stoned him, Stephen prayed, Lord Jesus received my spirit. 208 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:27.960 So he did pray. 209 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.320 He did pray. Yeah. Well, I mean so that one's 210 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:32.759 unmistakably directed at Jesus. 211 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:36.120 Yeah. But in all defense, though, he was actually looking 212 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:39.480 at Jesus when he said it, right, So in uh, 213 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.159 this is not a little exception. He was looking to Jesus, 214 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:45.240 is literally standing and staring. 215 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:47.159 At but he's still praying to Jesus. Jesus. No, no, no, no, 216 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:51.039 asked my father. Okay, Jesus didn't do that here, Hey, 217 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:54.879 don't because he's standing on the right. Oh, talk to me, 218 00:10:55.679 --> 00:11:01.080 talk to him right right? Uh? Paul In two Corinthians 219 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:03.799 twelve three times he begged the Lord to take away 220 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:07.600 history in the flesh. And that's the lord is. It's 221 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.240 in the Greek is Jesus. 222 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.480 That's what that means. In the Greek Lord capital l 223 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:14.840 is Jesus always. 224 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.120 So it says here Lord refers to Jesus. 225 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.919 Wait a minute, the Lord in the Old Testament capital 226 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:21.559 l is God the Father. 227 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:23.159 Yeah, but he's the King of kings and Lord of 228 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:24.200 lords in the New Testament. 229 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.200 Question that I'm scared to look it up. A skeptical 230 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:30.720 on that one. 231 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.559 Yeah, And then Revelation twenty two twenty ends with even 232 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:36.039 so come quickly, Lord Jesus. 233 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:38.840 Well is that a prayer? 234 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:45.200 Sure? What, I'm ringing your bill? Okay, all right. 235 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.600 So so Stephen Stephen's the is the is the monkey 236 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:49.600 in the rest the wrench? 237 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:50.240 Yeah? 238 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:50.720 Rench? 239 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.480 Yeah? And Rome Is ten thirteen is quoting Joel And 240 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:56.559 I think that one is pointing at Jesus. Everyone who 241 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.039 calls in the name of the Lord will be saved, right, 242 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.200 because it's in direct connection to the verses just before it, 243 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:05.879 where it says you have to believe that he rose 244 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.039 again and invite him to be and declare that he 245 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.279 is Lord. And I's talking about Jesus, that's not about 246 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.759 anybody else. And everyone who calls them the name of 247 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:17.360 the Lord will be saying interesting. Yeah, I've never read 248 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:17.799 it that way. 249 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.919 Yeah, I've always always read it. Believe in Jesus, who 250 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:23.879 the Lord said, and then call upon the name of 251 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:26.240 the Lord. Yeah, that's interesting. 252 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.159 Yeah, anyways in life, but I don't mean to because 253 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:34.639 I think I think fundamentally you're right. Fundamentally, the huge 254 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:38.480 majority of prayers are to the Father. It's just not inappropriate. 255 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:42.159 And it's not even poor theology to pray to Jesus 256 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.000 in appropriate moments, or pray to the Holy Spirit because 257 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.039 Stephen did, yeah, or pray to the Holy Spirit, and 258 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:53.200 so it's not inappropriate. It's just theologically consistently in the Bible. 259 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.200 The Father is the one from whom the will comes. 260 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.679 Even Jesus said, not my will, but your will be done. 261 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:00.840 Well, you know what's so interesting is how many years 262 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.639 have you been graduated? Have you graduated from Bible College? 263 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:08.360 What year did you graduate? Ninety ninety seven, so uh so, yeah, 264 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:10.200 so I graduated a few years earlier than that, and 265 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.039 so that's been over thirty years. And I still remembered 266 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:16.919 that conversation. 267 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:17.840 Yeah, blew your mind. 268 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:21.240 Yeah. At the time, I remember, I wrote. 269 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.679 Catholic kid, come in here and suddenly find out what what? 270 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.720 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I remember being in that 271 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:29.919 room and everybody having this conversation, and I remember thinking 272 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:33.440 to myself, and to be honest with you, even even 273 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.799 now as I'm saying this, I think the ammunition of 274 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.759 some of the students in the room most likely was 275 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:44.879 quoting Steven in Act chapter seven, right. So I remember 276 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:49.679 watching the professor rebuttal back and forth and back and forth, 277 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.960 and then ultimately the whole room concluded that you know 278 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:55.960 that that was you know that we were meant to 279 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.480 pray to God the Father. But I'm not sure I've 280 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.240 ever thought about it since then, because again, like I said, 281 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:10.159 I'm not the theology deep dive, you know, or Bible 282 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:14.639 deep dive, because I'm not sure that it's really mattered. No, yeah, 283 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:15.559 it's not mattered. 284 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.799 So that ten thirteen, this is where I got hung up. 285 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:23.440 So I didn't think of the Stephen part yep, but 286 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.759 Romans because I quoted every Sunday. He says, if you 287 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:31.960 confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and you 288 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.120 believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, 289 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:36.919 you will be saved. For with the heart one believes 290 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.399 under righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 291 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.159 So declaring him Lord with your mouth, it's part of that, 292 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:47.360 and then he says, for whoever calls on the name 293 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:51.440 of the Lord shall be saved. So you've defined that 294 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:56.200 Jesus is the Lord. So you're calling on Jesus for salvation, right, right. 295 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.360 So that is and that's indicat through prayer. You call 296 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:02.840 on you call on God through. 297 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.360 Any time you talk to God, it's a prayer. Yeah, Father, 298 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.399 son or Holy Spirit, it's a prayer. Yeah, yeah, right, 299 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.639 But I think it's appropriate. There been times when when 300 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:11.679 I was going to in this situation and I'd be like, 301 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:16.399 Holy Spirit, remind me of what the Word says in 302 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.120 this situation, give me wisdom and discernment in this situation. 303 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.759 And that's an appropriate thing, right, give me your spirit 304 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.000 to to do, because that's his job. His job is 305 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.759 to teach us and to remind us. That's what Jesus said. 306 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:29.360 Sure. 307 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:32.000 Right. There's been times when I prayed that the Holy 308 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:35.440 Spirit would comfort somebody who was going through pain, and 309 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:38.039 I wouldn't just send say God, you know, Father, send 310 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.200 your spirit. I would just ask the Holy Spirit to 311 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.759 comfort that person because that's what that's his job, that's 312 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:43.200 what he does. 313 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.279 Yeah, I think I would actually pray, Father, send your spirit. 314 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:47.879 Yeah, but he's already sent a spirit. We already have 315 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:48.240 a spirit. 316 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:49.320 No, I know that. 317 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.639 I'm just saying, oh, well, theologically, yeah, help me. You 318 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:53.720 doesn't have to send the spirit. 319 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.279 No, I know, I don't believe in spirit already here 320 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:57.759 we have all the Holy Spirit will ever get. 321 00:15:57.799 --> 00:15:59.720 Yeah. Yeah, so I started there, so has a Holy 322 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.200 Spirit to comfort comfort them. Because if the Holy Spirit 323 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.440 is the one sending the message, bringing the prayer, yeah, 324 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.759 then you just short circuit that and he doesn't have 325 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:10.360 to get all the way there and back again. Yeah 326 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:14.200 I'm joking, he's already here. But yeah, so that's really good. Anyway, 327 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:14.799 let's go. 328 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.799 Back there and back. And yet I didn't even catch 329 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:18.399 it's joking. 330 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:23.120 So so uh man, I'm not trying to throw a 331 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.679 monkey wrench in there. I just I like that every 332 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.080 idea that comes up, that's a new idea to me. 333 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:31.519 I like the probit as much as possible, and the 334 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.799 Bible is going to prove the Bible to be honest. 335 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:38.320 I think people appreciate these kind of debates more than anything. 336 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.080 In fact, my son in law, who sometimes listens in 337 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:49.759 uh in Florida, he says that the most compelling times 338 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.720 is when we have a discussion and say like, hey, 339 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:55.440 what do you think. I don't know, I think, and 340 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.679 we sort of either have different opinions or sorting it out, 341 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:03.000 or it's it's us breaking down what other people think, 342 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:04.640 which is like a stump to Pastard question. 343 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.440 Yeah, sure, yeah, so I think fundamentally you are correct, 344 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.240 because the will of God is what we're praying for 345 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:17.599 every time, healing, strength, to share the Gospel with a friend, whatever, all, 346 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.640 We're always praying for God's will. And so it's consistent 347 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.559 as Jesus said, your will be done on earth as 348 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:24.400 it is in heaven. Nevertheless, not my will, but your 349 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:28.279 will be done that that's always appropriate, and the will 350 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:33.119 of God, the Father always comes comes to be. And 351 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.400 then Jesus is one who fulfilled the will of the Father, 352 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.960 and the Holy Spirit's the one who who empowers us. 353 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:40.720 I almost forgot. We have another Bible question. 354 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:43.079 Yeah, stump pastor, Well, so finish that question though. What 355 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:43.720 was that question? 356 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.400 The first one? Yeah, when I pray to when I 357 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:50.319 pray to the Lord, is this Jesus or God? 358 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:53.400 Yeah? Okay, yeah, so yeah, that's it. So when you 359 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:57.680 pray to the Lord, you are praying to Jesus, And 360 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.920 what you're saying is it's Jesus would pray to the Father, 361 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:03.839 and that's mostly how all the prayers would go, would 362 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:05.920 be the Father. But it's not inappropriate to pray to 363 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:06.319 the Lord. 364 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.720 Okay. And then the next question is who put the 365 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:14.160 Bible together, not just the authors, but who decided which 366 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:20.599 book would go where? Wow, holy cow, Now you said, 367 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:24.559 I remember one time being in your office and we 368 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:31.839 were having this conversation and you had a really good 369 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:35.039 insight about this. So I'm just going to hand this 370 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.920 to you to tackle it, and I'll chime in, Okay, 371 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:40.920 because I could. I could definitely hang with the best 372 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.000 of them. When it comes to the Bible says over 373 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:47.839 twenty six hundred times it claims divine inspiration of itself, 374 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.640 and three thousand, eight hundred and eight times it talks 375 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:54.400 about how even though it was written by human authors, 376 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:59.559 it was not from any No origin of the scriptures 377 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.680 came from the human author right. It was God breathed 378 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:07.000 through yes, yes, And they were actually distinctively writing the 379 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:10.440 words of God. And it actually claims to be the 380 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:14.240 God breathe or God's breath or the very words of God. 381 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:16.039 So I could definitely hang on that end. 382 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.440 It's hysterical. I had some notes for this one, yeah, 383 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.960 and my iPad just went dead. Yeah, so let's do 384 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:28.359 it this way. So what he's asking is, I'm assuming 385 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:30.880 he believes the Bible is God's word, But how did 386 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.359 we get it right? Because you're right, the Bible affirms 387 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:36.119 over and over and over again that we're not hearing 388 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:41.279 from men. We're hearing men bring God's words that God 389 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:43.519 gave to them. So that's a big part of it. 390 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:49.000 The thirty seven books of the Old Testament were established 391 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:56.319 four hundred years before Jesus. That the rabbis and the 392 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:01.200 top leaders of Israel had sorted through all of the 393 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:05.799 books and they had certain requirements with regard to how 394 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.119 do we know if this is validly from God? Is 395 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:11.599 it inspired by God? And those thirty seven books were 396 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:17.319 established four hundred years before Jesus. And that's what we 397 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:20.319 would call the Old Testament. It's what the it's what 398 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:25.200 is the Hebrew Bible. And by the way those were called, 399 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:29.000 those were called the Lord's It thirty nine. I'm sorry 400 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.160 what I say? Seven, Okay, I I have my notes 401 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.400