WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.599 practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys, and 4 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:15.960 thank you for doing And if this is your first time, 5 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:20.600 my name is Chris Zarbaugh and this is Jeff Forrester. 6 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:26.320 Wow. What is your full name? Michael, Jeffrey Michael Forrester. 7 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:27.000 That's right. 8 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:28.440 And Christopher. 9 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:32.079 John how did you know that? I don't know. It 10 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:33.560 just felt right for real? 11 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:35.799 Yeah, or did you see my lips about to say, Jay. 12 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:41.159 No, I didn't see it. You were like, so, No, 13 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:44.399 I didn't know. It just Christopher Johnson's great son of 14 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:44.759 a gun. 15 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:46.960 Well you know what, Jeff, that is the thing about me. 16 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:47.880 I just feel right. 17 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.439 Yeah, well something like that, yes, so something so. 18 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:58.759 Yes, Christopher John Zarba, that's it. So h. And by 19 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:01.280 the way, I was supposed to be Jonathan. You know that. 20 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:04.040 No, I didn't up until the second I was well, 21 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.439 not the second, but the hour I was born. I 22 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.120 was born at twelve fifty eight am. And uh. 23 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:13.079 And so we led into Palm Sunday. 24 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:16.159 And my mom grew up Catholic, so she named me 25 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:19.280 after Saint Christopher because it was Palm Sunday. 26 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.319 Oh okay, so that's what that's the story there. 27 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.519 Okay. So rather than the disciple Jesus loved you would 28 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:28.040 have been impossible to deal with if your name was John. 29 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:31.319 Yeah, right right, that's yeah, that's really funny. 30 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:32.879 But yeah. 31 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:37.239 But but instead, you know, Christopher means christ like. Is 32 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:38.159 it like christ Like? 33 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:38.439 No? 34 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:41.280 That's yeah, christ like, that's what it means. Yeah. 35 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:43.079 The fact that you questioned the meaning, if you will. 36 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.719 Well, I get confused sometimes because my son is named 37 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:48.719 Stephen and that means crown and for some reason I 38 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:49.680 get the too confused. 39 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.680 I see, but his name's crowned. And then Sarah's name 40 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:53.519 means princess. 41 00:01:54.799 --> 00:02:01.319 So Jeffrey means God's peace, oh, old old English. And 42 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:06.120 then Michael means God's warrior. Oh so I'm a little conflicted. 43 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:10.599 Yeah, no peace by the warrior? Well, I mean warrior. 44 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:14.159 Does warriors bring peace? That's right, it's true. So hey, well, 45 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.360 walk softly and carry a big stick, Keddy Roosevelt. There 46 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:17.599 you go. 47 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.919 So enough about that, let's move right into our segment. 48 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.719 This is a would you rather segment? Okay, And so 49 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:26.439 I like these because we have to choose between two 50 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:31.560 terrible options. Number one, would you rather be an Olympic athlete, 51 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.759 which would that'd be nice? Or a world famous scientist? 52 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.199 Do you know that I don't like the existence of 53 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:40.240 either one of those people. 54 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:42.719 You don't like scientists or athletes? 55 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:44.680 No, no, no, I like them for the benefit of 56 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:45.080 the world. 57 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:46.639 I don't like their existence. 58 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:47.599 You said, no, no, no. 59 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.960 Let me let me clarify, Like an athlete is only 60 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:58.000 phenomenal because he spends or she spends every waking moment 61 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.159 on the one thing. 62 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:02.479 Right, Look, if it's a gymnast. 63 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:03.199 The power of focus. 64 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.080 Yes, it is, just like. 65 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:08.199 It was like, the existence of an athlete is actually 66 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.879 like it's sort of okay. 67 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:11.800 I hate it. 68 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:13.800 But we talked about this before. I think you had 69 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.080 another one one time, and it was about that would 70 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:17.759 you rather be great at one thing or good at 71 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:19.159 lots of things? And you said you'd rather be good 72 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:19.639 at lots of things? 73 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and a scientist, think about it. 74 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:25.039 At least a scientists, though, would have a little bit 75 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:27.840 of variety, right, because science is pretty wide topic. 76 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:29.759 I don't know what what what if you were like 77 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:33.199 a Bunyan scientist, a world famous Bunyan scientist. You know 78 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:39.599 it doesn't say it doesn't say what kind of world 79 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:40.159 famous science. 80 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.680 Well, and to be honest, most scientists really specialize in 81 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:43.439 sort of one thing. 82 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:44.439 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 83 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:46.080 I mean you don't make flower by accident. 84 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:46.439 Right? 85 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:47.840 Oh wait, no you do. 86 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.919 Okay, So which would you rather be? Uh? I think 87 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:58.560 you asked me scientist, scientist? Yeah, yeah, I think it'd 88 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.000 be the athlete for me, to be honest. 89 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:02.400 With you, Yeah, I only want scientists because of variety. 90 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.719 I mean, I mean athletes are awesome. Don't get me wrong, 91 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:08.520 you know what I mean. Scientists are nerds. 92 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.599 Okay. Would you rather live in an escape room or 93 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:12.680 a game of Clue? 94 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:14.599 Oh? 95 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:15.159 Wow? 96 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:20.160 An escape room or a game of Yeah, I live 97 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.519 in an escape room or live in the game of Clue. 98 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:26.879 I'm assuming they're meaning the mansion, so I would change 99 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:27.800 clue me. 100 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:29.319 Too, That's what I was just gonna say. I would 101 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:30.720 rather live in the mansion. 102 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.240 And by the way, I love escape room solely for 103 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.519 the secret passages in the mansion. 104 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.759 I love escape rooms, though I do, I do like them, 105 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:41.519 and I'm differ for them. 106 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:42.000 All right. 107 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.240 Number three? Would you rather be able to see only 108 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.360 in the dark or only see in black and white. 109 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:52.519 So every time the sun is out, you can't see 110 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:53.920 and you. 111 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.000 See it kind of the same. We're not really seeing 112 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:58.160 much color in the dark. 113 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:01.720 At least you can see at nighttime after the sun 114 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:02.199 goes down. 115 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:04.680 Yeah, but in black and white you can see everything 116 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:05.240 all the time. 117 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.959 But the other option is indicates that fifty percent of 118 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:09.759 your life you're blind. 119 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.480 Right, that's what I'm saying. I think I'd rather only 120 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:14.759 see in black and white because the end of the 121 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.240 day daylight, you couldn't see at all. 122 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:20.600 Right, right, which, by the way, is the time that 123 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:21.399 you want to see. 124 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.079 Yes, big fan, big fan, see end of the daylight? 125 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:25.800 Can you imagine only seeing when people sleep? 126 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:26.319 Yes? 127 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:28.519 Right, there's nothing to do. He I can see everybody. 128 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.240 Let's do something. Yeah, that's so. 129 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:33.519 Would you rather swim with sharks or walk through a 130 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:34.240 lion's den? 131 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:40.879 I'm assuming this is professional like swimming sharks meaning with safety. 132 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:42.600 I don't know. Are you walking through a lions down 133 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:43.120 with safety? 134 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:46.800 It depends. Yeah. Do you ever see like the line of. 135 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.279 The Gods doesn't say yeah, she doesn't give us the 136 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.759 she doesn't give us safety. She just says right, yeah, 137 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:54.920 it's all exposure here. 138 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:00.399 Okay, if it's danger then I think I would rather 139 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.040 face a shark. Oh, I don't know. 140 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.040 Depends on what kind of sharks. 141 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.240 I guess, so, yeah, but but I mean, lions are 142 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.160 going to get you, like wild lions. 143 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.079 They're going to get you sometimes. Yeah, I think I 144 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:17.000 would choose sharks. 145 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:18.120 Yeah, I think I would too. 146 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:23.759 Yeah. So my grandfather was friends with Jacqusto Jacques Cousto, 147 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:29.439 that's right, and they discovered a cave called the Cave 148 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:35.279 of Sleeping Sharks and yeah, and it's in don't sleep. Well, 149 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:37.079 I know that's what they thought, but it turns out 150 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.759 there's this current that makes it just right, and they'll 151 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.560 line up along the edges of the of the cave 152 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:46.040 and just stay in kind of a NonStop state right there, 153 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.040 and the current blows all the water, the water through 154 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:51.839 their gills in the way that works, So they think 155 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:55.040 they sleep there. So Jack Cousto found out My grandfather 156 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.000 was with him, and they were grabbing great big sharks 157 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.879 and just smacking them, grabbing by tell because they were sleeping, 158 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.079 and they grab them by a tail and then they 159 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.560 take off and pull them through. So my grandfather grabs one, 160 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:07.519 and it was a bull shark and it turned on 161 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:09.920 him and he was one of the guys that was 162 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:14.720 helping develop those underwater cameras, and he smashed the camera 163 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.439 in the shark's mouth and the teeth all come up 164 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.759 to the top and the bottom of the photo. Yeah, 165 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.319 it's a pretty crazy picture. Yeah yeah, wow. So anyways, yeah, yeah, 166 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:25.439 with sharks all the time. 167 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:29.879 Well, my mom's cousin is boom boom man seeing these 168 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:33.079 brother in law. Wow, So you know that makes me 169 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:34.360 a boxer. 170 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.399 Walking through Lionstone. 171 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:36.120 Yeah. 172 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.800 Yeah, Well, I'm just trying to live up to your 173 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:40.720 claim of you know, your gran. 174 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:41.800 I was the same thing. I was just saying that 175 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:43.319 my grandfather used to swim with sharks all the time. 176 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.959 Yeah. I know, But I'm overwhelmed with your connection to 177 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:48.519 Jacques I. 178 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:54.519 Okay, so what's the last one? Now? Am I reading 179 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:55.000 the last one? 180 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:56.000 Sure? Go ahead? 181 00:07:56.160 --> 00:08:00.160 Would you rather have a vivid imagination or a photographic. 182 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:05.639 Memory, implying that what you trade one for the other? Yes, 183 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:11.040 it's oh, I would rather This is hard, actually, but 184 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.279 I would rather have a vivid imagination. 185 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:18.360 Really, yes, I would choose photographic memory. Yeah, vivid imagination 186 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.759 could lead you to insanity. 187 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:28.800 I think I have a vivid imagination case in point. Okay, 188 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:33.519 that was too easy, Chris, I'm just walking around. 189 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:38.440 That was great. 190 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:42.879 Hey, listen, I I think that life would be horrible 191 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:44.120 without a vivid imagination. 192 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:45.919 Yeah, I really do. 193 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:48.120 I love vivid imagination. 194 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:51.279 By the way, you would hate that because you read 195 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:53.399 books all the time, and books are only great with 196 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.840 vivid imaginations. Sure, so you're going to trade that for 197 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:04.879 on page eighty five, I just know exactly what it's Yeah, yeah, 198 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:08.639 I want to sacrifice life for facts. 199 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:15.200 Okay, yeah, so the facts of life, the facts of 200 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.679 life for us. I knew it. I knew it. Hey, 201 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.399 that should be the next that should be the next 202 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:21.159 theme song. 203 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:23.559 You take the good, you Take the Bad. I don't 204 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:25.720 even know that one. The facts are life. 205 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:28.559 It was crazy, the facts. Okay, Hey, we should move on. 206 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:30.639 We went long on that segment. 207 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.240 Yep, we did. We went a minute and a half over, 208 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:32.919 but we should have. 209 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.519 We're going to be reading, uh and not for a 210 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:40.519 long time. In this next chunk Isaiah chapter fifty three, 211 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:46.240 there it is. There's a transition, and this passage is 212 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.399 the Lord's suffering servant, right yep, And you know what 213 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.279 I think. I might go back to Isaiah fifty two 214 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:57.039 thirteen and read through, because that's where it starts. It says, see, 215 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.840 my servant will prosper. He will be highly exulted. But 216 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.240 many were amazed when they saw him. His face was 217 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.039 so disfigured he seemed hardly human, and from his appearance 218 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.240 one would scarcely know he was a man. And he 219 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:14.240 will startle many nations. Kings will stand speechless in his presence, 220 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.039 for they will see what they had not been told. 221 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.080 They will understand what they had not heard about. Who 222 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.679 has believed our message? To whom has the Lord revealed 223 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.360 his powerful arm? My servant grew up in the Lord's 224 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.759 presence like a tender green shoot, like a root and 225 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.720 dry ground. There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, 226 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.639 nothing to attract us to him. He was despised and rejected, 227 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:39.639 a man of sorrows, acquainted with deepest grief. We turned 228 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.639 our backs on him and looked the other way. He 229 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:44.840 was despised, and we did not care. Yet it was 230 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:47.279 our weakness he carried. It was our sorrows that weighed 231 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.919 him down, and we thought his troubles were a punishment 232 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.799 from God, a punishment for his own sins. But he 233 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.399 was pierced for our rebellion, crushed for our sins. He 234 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.279 was beaten so we could be whole. He was whipped 235 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:01.639 so we could be here, all of us, like sheep, 236 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:04.600 have strayed away. We have left God's paths to follow 237 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.639 our own. Yet the Lord laid on him the sins 238 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.919 of us all. He was oppressed and treated harshly, Yet 239 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.120 he never said a word. He was led like a 240 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.679 lamb to the slaughter, and as the sheep is silent 241 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:19.240 before the shears, he did not open his mouth. Unjustly condemned, 242 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.720 he was led away. No one cared that he died 243 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.720 without descendants, that his life was cut short in midstream. 244 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.559 But he was struck down for the rebellion of my people. 245 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:30.679 He had done no wrong, and he had never deceived anyone. 246 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.120 But he was buried like a criminal who was put 247 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.600 in a rich man's grave. But it was a lord's 248 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.080 good plan to crush him and cause him grief. For 249 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:40.120 when his life is made as an offering for sin, 250 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:44.080 he will have made many descendants. He will enjoy a 251 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:46.240 long life, and the Lord's good plan will prosper in 252 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.919 his hands. When he sees all that is accomplished by 253 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:52.279 his anguish, he will be satisfied. And because of experience, 254 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.559 my righteous servant will make it possible for many to 255 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.440 be counted righteous, or he will bear all their sins. 256 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.600 I will give him the honors of a victorious soldier. 257 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.039 Because he exposed himself to death, he was counted among 258 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.879 the rebels, he bore the sins of many and interceded 259 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.360 for rebels. Well, I wonder who that's talking about. 260 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:16.360 Yeah, yeah, this is as you know, we just got 261 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.039 through Easter, yes, and so on Palm Sunday, we did 262 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.279 a journey of the passion of the Christ and we 263 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.039 read much of this passage here. 264 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:27.080 And you know. 265 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.759 What is what is not referenced a lot I think 266 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.759 in Sermons is where he says that he's barely recognizable 267 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.240 as a man, right it says it says his face 268 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.240 was so disfigured that he hardly seemed human. From his appearance, 269 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.840 one would scarcely know he was a man. So it 270 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.399 just goes to show you that when the Lord was 271 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.799 you know, when Jesus broke the bread and said, this 272 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:54.679 is my body which is given for you, and the 273 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.759 symbolism of breaking to pieces. You know, that's it's just 274 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:01.320 part of the imagery of like when you try to imagine, 275 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:03.519 you know, listen, when you've seen the Passion of the 276 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.559 Christ the movie remember when that came on the scene 277 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:11.080 two was a four something like that. It really was 278 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:17.600 the closest movie. The movie that's closest probably represented the 279 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:18.960 brutality for us. 280 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:20.919 Yeah, and and. 281 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.360 It was so and even then it wasn't No, even then. 282 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.440 It probably fell short, right, yea by a lot. 283 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:29.960 Well, you can still tell that Jim Cavizel was a man, right, right, 284 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:32.360 And this says that you could not even tell he 285 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:33.039 was a man. 286 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.600 Yeah, yeah, barely recognizable. And so yeah, it's just a 287 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:43.919 sobering thought. And it's a sobering scripture. And then and 288 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.399 then the scripture talks about normally the brutality of it, 289 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:51.559 but then places it, you know, the guilt. It's for us, right, 290 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.759 because of us and for us right, yeah, so it's 291 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.840 it's it's he was eat all this because of my sin, 292 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.600 so in other words, my fault and uh and and 293 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:06.039 that's one of the most sobering things ever, right, And 294 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.879 there's so many songs and so many uh, you know, 295 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:15.120 writings and so many different sermons, famous sermons that that 296 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:18.200 point back to that idea that it was because of 297 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:21.320 my sin they put Jesus on the cross. And it's 298 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:25.840 not designed to make us feel guilty other than repenting 299 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:29.720 for our sins. Right, So like, the guilt isn't supposed 300 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:36.399 to be like shame for the rest of our lives 301 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:39.759 because of our character. It's more like we have shame 302 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:44.600 for our sin, and then that guilt propels us to repentance. 303 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:49.320 And then when we repent, you know, we we shouldn't 304 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:53.600 live underneath that guilt, I don't think any longer. But 305 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:56.799 we should always carry with us the reminder that it's 306 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:00.679 that that Jesus died for us and because of us. 307 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:06.919 But without repentance, right, without forgiveness of sins, we should 308 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.320 be guilty of our sin. Right, and God is like 309 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.919 frustrated that humanity is not guilty, right, acknowledging the fact 310 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.480 that they're sinners. But it's because of the repentance turning 311 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.600 from our way and turning to Christ and accepting his 312 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:24.039 sacrifice and forgiveness for us sins that then lets us 313 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.559 walk out of the guilt and out of the shame 314 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:28.840 because He bore it for us, right, he took it. 315 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:30.559 That's what this passion, that he took it for us, 316 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.080 that's right. And then that's what lets us walk past 317 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.559 that get out of that thing. Otherwise that the guilt 318 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:38.799 for sin is. It should be a natural, normal thing. 319 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.120 It's not. Humanity just goes on and does whatever they 320 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.480 want to do, right, right, But God is horrified by 321 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.799 that fact, and we should feel guilty for us in 322 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.080 and that's what killed Jesus. But Jesus did it willingly. 323 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.279 And then you know it hints that here, this is 324 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:59.519 the one of the hints at the resurrection, because it 325 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.480 says he had done world wrong. He was struck down 326 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.480 for the rebellion of my people. He was condemned and 327 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.840 led away. No one cared that he died without descendants. 328 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.879 So there's his death. But then you get down to 329 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.639 verse ten. But it was the Lord's good plan to 330 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.080 crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life 331 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.320 is made is an offering for sin. He will have 332 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:23.159 many descendants, he will enjoy a long life, and the 333 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:27.039 Lord's good plan will prosper in his hands. There's the resurrection. Yeah, right, 334 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:29.799 So there's the death on the A few verses earlier. 335 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.360 Then it begins to hint at a resurrection. And the 336 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.360 people reading this could not have totally understood this, right, 337 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.159 they couldn't understand it, and that's the nature of prophecy. 338 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.600 But when we look back we can see, Wow, there's 339 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:47.080 so many accuracies. So I've got the idea that his 340 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.159 beatings were so bad. He didn't look like a human. 341 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:52.799 You've got the fact that he grew up in the 342 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:57.440 Lord's presence, but there was nothing beautiful or majestic about 343 00:16:57.440 --> 00:16:59.799 his appearance. Nothing. He wasn't a handsome man. He was 344 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:06.279 just man, and he was despised. We didn't care all 345 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:10.079 those those things. He was pierced for our rebellion. There's 346 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:14.000 the nails, right, he was crushed for our sins. He 347 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.519 was beaten. That's the cat of nine Tales, this mention. 348 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.559 He was whipped so we could be healed. And then 349 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:22.960 we've all gone our own way. We've done our own thing. 350 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:25.400 The Lord laid on him the sins of us all. 351 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.039 That's what happens when when the sun goes dark and 352 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.000 the veil splits, right, that's what's happening there. 353 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:35.319 It's also what happens when God turns his back, yes, 354 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.559 and Jesus says, why have you forsaken me? Jesus literally 355 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.279 and the New Testament says he became our sin. 356 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:43.839 Yeah, it says he was led like a lamb to 357 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.240 the slaughter, and as a sheep is silent before the shears. 358 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.480 He didn't open his mouth. It's interesting before Herod, he 359 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:55.039 didn't even answer Herod's questions right at all. When he 360 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:56.359 was on the when he was getting ready to go 361 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.119 to the cross, he had told the disciples, listen, nobody 362 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:00.680 takes my life from me. I'm going to lay it 363 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.839 down freely. And so he didn't fight, He wasn't screaming, 364 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:08.359 he wasn't casting judgments on the governor, on the soldiers, 365 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:10.839 as matter of fact, that his father forgive them. Right. 366 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:14.079 It was this gentleness there where he didn't open his 367 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.119 mouth in a negative way. It was unjustly condemned. Remember 368 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.880 the faults trials and the fake accusations, and they brought 369 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:24.759 in people to write and then. 370 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:25.720 Even the proceedings. 371 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.680 It was illegal to rush it the way that they did, 372 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:30.640 but they wanted to do it before the Sabbath, right, 373 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.240 so even the proceedings were illegal because of the time constraints. 374 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.079 So this is what's so amazing for me. There's a 375 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.359 couple things I wanted to highlight. One, this is written 376 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:42.640 seven hundred years before it actually happened. And while you 377 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:46.640 could say Jesus could orchestrate a few of his things, 378 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:50.440 he couldn't orchestrate that he wasn't handsome. He couldn't orchestrate 379 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:54.359 that he would be crucified necessarily, or that he would 380 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.240 be whipped to the point where you couldn't tell he 381 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:01.119 was human. He couldn't have orchestrated that he could have orchestrated. 382 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:03.119 You know, he could have decided he wasn't going to 383 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:05.680 say anything to anybody. He could have decided he wasn't 384 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.359 going to have any descendants. Those two things he could 385 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.079 have done. But there's so many of these things that 386 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.640 he could not have orchestrated. And this is one of 387 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.400 the things I love about the Bible is some prophecies 388 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.119 we don't recognize until afterwards, but when you see them, 389 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.000 you realize he didn't orchestrate that he was born in Bethlehem, 390 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:29.119 like we talked about, right, he couldn't orchestrate so many 391 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:33.200 of the prophecies about the Messiah, and yet he fulfilled 392 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.559 every single prophecy about the Messiah. 393 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:40.440 Yeah, so in the past, I've done this and you've 394 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:44.839 heard this. This was made famous by another mathematician. But 395 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.599 they had taken out of the hundreds of prophecies that 396 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:51.279 Jesus fulfilled, it took just twelve of. 397 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.119 Them, right, you remember that it took just twelve of them. 398 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.839 Now think about that, just just that alone, twelve of 399 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.319 the how many prophecies were there? 400 00:19:58.319 --> 00:19:59.559 Some people say four hundred. 401 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:00.680