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Hey, folks, welcome to the third anniversary show of the Cinema Beef Podcast of sorts.

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I'm one of your hosts, Gary Hill.

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And this is a show that's pretty much a potluck, if you will, of random stuff that I never released.

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So it will also include your phone messages of those three magic questions that I asked you to answer.

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And most of them, all of them, thank you for your contributions, are pretty freaking great.

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And I thank you again for participating in that and taking your time.

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But on this episode, you will hear a couple of reviews.

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I thought I lost myself, Brian Sammons and Jamie Sammons of this show, one of Martin and one of The Changeling.

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And with the Martin review, we'll have our interview with John Amplas that we did so long ago.

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That'll be in here as well.

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And then also you will get to mine and X's analogy or analysis, if you will, of the two films of Pleasantville and Disney's Zootopia and how they have great relevance on the world of today.

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And there might be a lot of problems with that actually, if you'll notice in our review or whatever the hell that is.

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But also tonight, with the exception of the first track, all the music will be provided from John Cross's band, Miscellaneous Plumbing Fixtures and his Magical Ukulele, of course, is the instrument of that great sound.

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And that is all from his album, Almost Naked.

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But yeah, that's great.

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I should all get that on Bandcamp.

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And I believe it's on Spotify and maybe iTunes.

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Listen, listen, listen.

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He wrote a whole album dedicated down to Pleasants before this.

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So that's definitely worth a listen.

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All of it is.

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He's a starving artist.

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You guys should feed him graciously.

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Come on, boys and girls, sing along, okay?

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Thank you for watching!

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Hello, welcome back to another episode of Cinema Beef Podcast, the third year anniversary show of the Cinema Beef Podcast.

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With me tonight is the normal crew that you know and love, Mr.

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Jeffery X.

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Martin.

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How you doing?

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How you doing, sir?

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I'm well, happy anniversary to us.

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Beautiful.

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I feel like, I don't know, productive, but not really.

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Because most of our friends did most of the work for this show, but you know, thanks guys, really appreciate that.

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That's how anniversaries are supposed to work.

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Yeah.

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But you guys all did a great job.

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But with me, hopefully always and forever, is Jamie Jenkins, how are you?

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I am doing okay.

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Glad to be here, glad to be celebrating an anniversary.

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It is always a fun time.

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How are you doing today?

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If you guys hear something in the background, some weird robot noises, we are in the studio molesting transformers.

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Ball gags are working on those things, so I'm just throwing it out there.

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But we'll start the show like we always start, and I'll ask X, what he's been watching lately?

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Two things that you need to check out on Netflix.

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I binge-watched the CNN documentary series about the 70s today.

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It's really, really, really good.

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If you care about the 70s at all, which I do probably more than I should, but yeah, totally check that out.

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It's really, really well done.

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But the other thing on Netflix is the new Mike Flanagan movie, Hush, which needs to be seen by every horror fan out there.

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It is so good.

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It is so much fun.

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It's really well done.

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Flanagan is no fucking joke.

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Oh, no kidding.

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That guy is amazing.

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He is amazing.

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He is awesome.

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He is the reason I have hope for Ouija 2.

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He's the only reason I have hope for Ouija 2.

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I don't give a shit about Ouija, and I don't care that he's going to be a sequel, but knowing that he, at least last I heard, was attached to do it, makes me actually want to see it because so far he has done no wrong for me.

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Yeah, same here.

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And that's pretty much it.

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Maybe some 70s porn because I keep getting these DVDs from Impulse.

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Yeah, I see Cudi is watching some 70s porn in their posts there.

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I was like, okay.

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Oh, the best.

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And you know, it's not even like the pretty porn.

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It's like where you can't even correct the color anymore.

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So it's like your vagina is purple.

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And there's, I don't know why.

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It's just that whole region is a bright violet.

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So where you can't even identify the genitals because it's so hairy, right?

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No, you can't see them.

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It's just like a bad Doppler radar image.

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Oh my God.

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But yeah, Jamie, what did you watch lately, girl?

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Oh, a dish.

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That was a thing.

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Let me tell you, going in, Netflix predicted that just based on other stuff we watch, Netflix predicted that I would like it to the tune of One Star.

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By the time I got about halfway through the season, they had bumped it up to two.

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I guess they figured, well, we don't fucking know.

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If you're still watching it, you must like it.

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So they bumped it up to two.

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In my opinion, it was no better or worse than the original show, except that I really missed Bob Saget.

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I love Bob Saget and I wanted more of him.

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But as far as writing goes and acting, it was no worse than the original show.

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And it's not like I really cared for it, but once I got into it, I couldn't stop.

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I had to see it through to the end.

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So there's that.

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Well, it's not the end, though, because they got a second season like the week after it came on.

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But alright.

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I mean, it was kind of cool the way they were making some jabs at the Olsen Twins throughout.

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They made a lot of jabs at the Olsen Twins.

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I thought that was really funny.

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Yeah, I mean, they did a good job of doing some things really well, but it was corny as hell, but then the Full House always was.

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I watched Hush, of course, which X was just talking about, and I also highly recommend.

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It's amazing.

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I mean, Flanagan is a genius.

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I love him.

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And like I said, he's done no wrong for me, and I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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Now, the only thing is, like I was talking about with Ouija, there is a possibility that even with him directing it, it may not be good, and that's because it's not his own property.

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So that can always happen, but it gives me hope.

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Other than that, trying to think.

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Oh, hashtag horror, hashtag blech.

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Don't like that movie.

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What the hell?

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Is that a movie?

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It was awful.

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Wasn't that horrible?

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It was so bad.

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It was so, so bad.

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I mean, she was trying so hard to be artistic that it just, it failed miserably to me as a horror film and as an art piece.

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It was just awful.

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Just terrible.

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And if you read interviews with the filmmaker, which I did afterwards, because I was like, let me try to climb in this woman's head and see exactly where she was, where she thought she was coming from.

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I mean, I try to give people the benefit of a doubt.

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So I read a bunch of interviews with her and she is all up in this shit.

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I mean, she is really high on this.

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Like she is convinced that she made this astounding film and it premiered at the Museum of Art somewhere.

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And I guess she just is like thinks it's all really high minded and everything.

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It was an assault to the senses for one.

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There were so many points that she was trying to make that I could tell that she was trying to make, but none of it was cohesive and pretty much she failed every one of those points because she attempted to cover everything from cyber bullying to us all being wrapped up in our devices, to parents not really paying attention to their children, to fat shaming mean girls.

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I mean, she really tried to hit all of those marks and it was so scatter shot that...

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Like a big after school special there or what the hell is going on?

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It was a fucking mess is what it was.

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And it just...

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It looked like it was shot through a slot machine.

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It was terrible.

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Awful.

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I don't recommend it at all.

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If you haven't figured that out by now, I'm going to go ahead and tell you I don't recommend it at all.

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Other than that, Tales from the Dark Side, The Moody.

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I watched that for Skeleton Crew.

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That new show should be coming out soon.

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And Season 3 of Walking Dead, which for me was a little underwhelming.

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It's like the Eddie Murphy joke where he's talking about using crackers as a metaphor for sex.

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You know, you wait all that time for the cracker, and he gets so excited when you get it, you think it's a writz, but it's not.

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That was Negan for you guys.

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They dangle Negan over your head for the whole freaking season.

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You get real excited to see him, and then, you know, that was it.

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Negan himself is full on writz.

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I love Jeffrey Dean Morgan, but he's full on writz.

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I mean, yeah, he's not great value or anything.

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He is straight up writz.

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But it just irritated me because it took 90 minutes for them to do nothing.

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And I'm like, well, you could have done that in your regular time slot.

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You could have done that in 60 minutes.

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Why did you take 19 minutes to do nothing?

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Then I wouldn't have been so irritated.

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But I wasted another half hour of my time with nothing.

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And so I still love The Walking Dead.

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That's not going to change.

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It's just, I was just like, oh, man.

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And then we've been rewatching the last episode, last season of Game of Thrones, because the new season starts in five days.

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So there you have it.

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That's what I've been watching.

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First things first, it's playoff time.

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My beloved Chicago Blackhawks.

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Tired of watching that.

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They play tonight at 8.30 as we, well, 9.30, your guys' time.

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Tonight's rather excited for us to tie up that series.

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And they're playing the St.

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Louis Blues, you know, sorry, killed by Belissa, the show, but these are two teams that really hate each other.

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If that makes the series all that much more fun for me to watch, because they're just aggressive all over the place.

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Secondly, they're really boring you guys at the sports ball, but Chicago Cubs baseball is on, and I'm really excited about that this season.

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I haven't been excited about the Cubs in, like, five seasons, so I've been watching a lot of those.

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I think that the biggest thing for me in these past couple days that I've seen and tugged at my heartstrings and my kidstrings and every kind of string you can think of is I'm going to call it the motherfucking Jungle Book, the brand new one.

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Mr.

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Fabro dug into my heart and soul and threw me into that world.

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And if you like Jungle Book at all, I think you'll really enjoy yourself, you know, with these great, freak-looking CG animals and this youngster playing Mowgli.

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It's goddamn enjoyable, so check that out.

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After that, I saw this movie called Criminal.

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If you guys have seen previous for this, it's got Gary Oldman in it.

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Ryan Reynolds briefly is in it, in a way.

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And well, it's Tommy Lee Jones.

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And that's about your main actors, I think.

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Oh, yeah, I did hear about that.

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I looked it up because it was playing in the theater.

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So I looked it up to see what it was.

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Costars in it, Costars in it, and it's unforgettable.

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It's unforgettable.

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And I'll tell you why, OK?

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Because I don't want I don't want I didn't want to spoil this film for you guys.

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But this is a film you guys should not watch because the plot synopsis is this.

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Ryan Reynolds is like a CIA or one of those kind of agents.

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And he's going after this guy who has a flash drive that basically let off any missile anywhere in the world.

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And he's going to pay him off.

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And then he gets killed while trying to beat this guy.

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And since he's the only one who knows who this guy is, their plot is to take a piece of his brain out of his head and put it in a vicious murdering killer person that's in prison, played by Kevin Costner, because they think that the memories from his brain will go into his brain.

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And once you know it, the science is real dumb, but it works.

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It has a real dumb story and a real dumb ending.

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Because, yeah, I don't, yeah, I'm just gonna do it right now.

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Sounds about as plausible as Face Off.

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Yeah, but Face Off is fun.

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This is boring as shit.

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Yes, you believe that Nicolas Cage and John Travolta would, even with switched faces, would look anything.

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You know, I don't even, that movie's so dumb.

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It's fun, though.

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It's fun.

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It is fun.

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This movie, you can't throw that caution to the wind.

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Oh, how do you put a piece of brain in somebody else's brain?

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I mean, that's going to work.

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How do you take somebody's face off and put it on somebody else's face?

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See, John Woo made it fun.

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This movie is boring as shit.

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This is 30 minutes of him hanging out at the widow's house with the kid.

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It was worse than, and I piss on the Avengers so much, it was worse than hanging out at Hawkeye's house in Avengers Part 2, OK?

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That's all I'm saying.

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Like 10 times worse.

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It was almost painful.

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Because they make you forget that he was like this vicious killer, that they showed pictures of him grisly murdering people in prison, and all of a sudden, he's a stand up guy, because he's got a piece of this guy's brain in him.

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Is he clipping houses?

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Oh, I hope so, man.

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Not in this movie, maybe in the sequel that never happened.

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You know, I don't know.

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It's really boring, really stupid.

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But you know what's not really boring, really stupid?

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I've been binge watching Arrow on Netflix, and I've been really enjoying that.

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And that is a show that I did not enjoy for the first four episodes, but let me tell you, it really kicked into high gear.

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And then I got a little geek boner this morning, because I was watching it at work, and if you guys know what Arrow is, he has these trick arrows.

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And one of them he used to use, he had like a fist on the end of it, and he used the arrow with a fist on the end of it, and I got really excited as a nerd that this happened on television.

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It's implausible, it's stupid, but this arrow has a fist on the end of it, and he shot it at somebody, and I got really excited.

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And I got a new geek crush from that show.

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She's one of the players, Felicity Smoke, on the show.

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Just picture a female humanoid of the human nature that looks like her.

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And then you have Felicity Smoke, because she's nerdy and she's cute, and I'm like, oh!

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I'm so into her now.

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Jamie, you haven't been replaced, Jamie.

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I'm just saying, she has it in all the right places, okay?

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I don't know if the actress that plays her has any traits, but I like to think that she does.

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So, you know, just throwing it out there.

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But that's fine.

239
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What if it can't get through?

240
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Oh, it does get me through.

241
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Yeah, it gives you the feels, as Court called it in that one show we did.

242
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It's the little things that get me going.

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I can't help these things.

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Besides, I haven't watched Home yet, but I've heard good things from you.

245
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If you guys listen to Bo's message later, he talks about it.

246
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This is the film I'm going to watch now on Netflix, apparently, because I hear it's really good and not the after school special one that Jamie was talking about, because it sounds awful.

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Don't do it.

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Don't do it!

249
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You'll actually hear that one.

250
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You'll hear that one mentioned again in Brian's message.

251
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He has a little bit of a spoiler there.

252
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We haven't got one already.

253
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I don't know where to put them, but he tried to rage quit it and I wouldn't let him.

254
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Oh, boy.

255
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Just because I was trying to give it a chance.

256
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I was trying to, you know, let it have the opportunity to make a point.

257
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Jeff, did you guys make it all the way through?

258
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Okay.

259
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Yeah.

260
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And hooray for me.

261
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I don't know what that says.

262
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Well, you and I both did, but I don't know.

263
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Yeah, I guess that's not something to be proud of, but God damn, that movie's bad.

264
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It was fun to watch.

265
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It was fun to watch Timothy Hutton completely debase himself.

266
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Oh my God, that broke my heart too.

267
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But if you want to laugh your ass off, read some of these interviews.

268
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It's pretty funny because you're like, is this the same movie?

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But with that, this is our third anniversary show, and we're going to have a segment or two on here, but most of this show, I got to say a good majority of this show, depending on what we put on it, maybe some extra surprises on there, will be messages that I've requested from people.

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I requested it from everybody, but I reached out to certain people because I wasn't getting many responses, but I think we got a good 15 or 16 of them, so that was some pretty goddamn good responding from our friends to tell us their three greatest film beefs, their greatest film rage quit, and the film that inspired them to the way they watch films today.

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And thank you guys for sending those in and taking the time.

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Some are pretty fucking awesome.

273
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I think all of them are.

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All you guys are awesome.

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Most definitely.

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First things first, you guys will hear.

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Starting to show up with some controversy anyway is mine and X's review of sorts of the film's pleasant villains, Zootopia.

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But with a little twist on them, we hope for lots and lots of hate mail like we always do.

279
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But you'll hear that right now.

280
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What's up, Daddy-O?

281
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I'm going.

282
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Oh my God.

283
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What was so funny?

284
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It was coming through my headsets and through my regular speakers at the same time, and I was like, what the hell is going on here?

285
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I thought you were laughing at the Zumbi koala bear again.

286
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That is funny.

287
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I do enjoy that.

288
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How's everything going?

289
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How was Duncan and the boys?

290
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It was a wild time.

291
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We did Creepshow 1 and 2, so that's always either a criticism or you had a lot of fun with it, so it's one of those things.

292
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I know Doug hated it.

293
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Oh, yeah, but it was a good time.

294
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He had a lot of stuff to say about it, so.

295
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I heard he defended Jason Goes to Hell and almost had you rolling in the aisles.

296
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I just can't.

297
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You get to a point with him where it's like, are you fucking trolling me?

298
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What?

299
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Are you serious?

300
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I will say that Cray and Duke is the best character in any Friday the 13th film, though, so it's...

301
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That hurts, but it's true.

302
00:23:16,245 --> 00:23:17,725
So yeah, he had a blast.

303
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You guys at Highlander 2, you said?

304
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What else did you guys do?

305
00:23:22,045 --> 00:23:25,505
Let's see, we did Highlander 2, Gremlins 2, which I love.

306
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Jason Goes to Hell and The Black Bird.

307
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What's The Black Bird?

308
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It's the sequel to The Maltese Falcon.

309
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Really?

310
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But it's a comedy.

311
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Who threw that one out there?

312
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1975, George, it was Doug's pick because Doug.

313
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Are you getting that weird echo?

314
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Are you hearing that?

315
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Not really.

316
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How about now, you hear me OK?

317
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I can hear you OK.

318
00:23:49,085 --> 00:23:50,485
It's me that's echoing.

319
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I don't hear you at all echoing, so.

320
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OK.

321
00:23:52,825 --> 00:23:53,725
Maybe it's just on your end.

322
00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:56,225
Hey, your voice sounds fine over here.

323
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All right.

324
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Well, screw it then.

325
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Let's roll.

326
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Let's roll.

327
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Yeah, let's roll.

328
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All right.

329
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We'll shoot this in three, two and one.

330
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Hello, folks.

331
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So welcome back to the Beef Podcast with this very special report, if you will.

332
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I couldn't do this on my own.

333
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I tried.

334
00:24:12,865 --> 00:24:14,005
I tried and tried again.

335
00:24:14,745 --> 00:24:19,385
So I had to bring in my partner in crime, Mr.

336
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Jeffrey X.

337
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Martin, to do this with me.

338
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How are you doing, sir?

339
00:24:23,185 --> 00:24:24,705
I am doing well.

340
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You know, it amazes me at times the lengths that I will go for you and for this show.

341
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But I've done it.

342
00:24:34,005 --> 00:24:37,605
I've watched a Disney movie, did it for you.

343
00:24:38,765 --> 00:24:39,965
It's all for you.

344
00:24:40,365 --> 00:24:41,885
It's all for you, Damien.

345
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Watch.

346
00:24:43,165 --> 00:24:43,865
Watch me.

347
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Oh, my God.

348
00:24:45,245 --> 00:24:49,745
But yeah, we're going to talk about basically casual racism in films.

349
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Either you're a fan of that or you're not a fan of that.

350
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I mean, they've been doing it for years and years and years.

351
00:24:55,465 --> 00:24:59,505
I mean, white guys playing American Indians for eons and eons.

352
00:24:59,765 --> 00:25:00,265
That's true.

353
00:25:00,345 --> 00:25:02,585
And Burt Reynolds says, not the whole Joe.

354
00:25:03,265 --> 00:25:04,765
Oh, my God.

355
00:25:04,785 --> 00:25:05,105
We did.

356
00:25:05,125 --> 00:25:06,245
We did that movie once.

357
00:25:06,565 --> 00:25:07,245
It was fun.

358
00:25:07,265 --> 00:25:09,285
Oh, my God.

359
00:25:09,505 --> 00:25:15,405
But yeah, we're talking about basically two films called Something Old and Something New, something that came out from over my teens.

360
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Let's kick it off with Pleasantville.

361
00:25:18,305 --> 00:25:26,505
You know, if you guys don't know what that film is, basically about a TV nerd played by Toad McGuire, who him and his spunky sister.

362
00:25:27,205 --> 00:25:29,605
I mean, it's a jizz joke, but I'm sure she had a...

363
00:25:30,045 --> 00:25:31,705
It certainly could be.

364
00:25:31,725 --> 00:25:34,145
She liked to have fun, the sister of his.

365
00:25:34,685 --> 00:25:51,485
They get sucked into this 1950s Leave It To Beaver 80 Griffith Show type television show where they're replaced, they replaced the son and daughter in this family, which one issue I have with the film is, are the son and daughter from Pleasantville inside the modern world?

366
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You don't know.

367
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This is one of those things, I guess, you know.

368
00:25:55,885 --> 00:25:57,925
Or they're just stuck in television limbo.

369
00:25:57,945 --> 00:25:59,825
They're stuck in the static, I guess, if you will.

370
00:26:00,205 --> 00:26:02,285
They're stuck with Don Knotts.

371
00:26:02,305 --> 00:26:05,085
They're stuck with Don Knotts doing stuff in this movie.

372
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Fixing TVs.

373
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Fixing TVs.

374
00:26:08,645 --> 00:26:24,145
But yeah, they start to get in, well, the boy, the son, Toad McGuire, starts to get into this whole world that he loves, you know, because they have, at home, it's not so well, they got the divorcee mom, played by, I think, what's the actress's name?

375
00:26:24,525 --> 00:26:26,885
That is Jane Kazmary from Malcolm in the Middle.

376
00:26:26,905 --> 00:26:28,965
I was going to say Krenkowski, but that's the wrong Jane.

377
00:26:29,185 --> 00:26:39,105
But yeah, she's divorced, so it's your typical late 90s, you know, family situation, broken home, but not really because they got money, but whatever.

378
00:26:40,665 --> 00:26:50,945
So yeah, he's really happy in his new pleasantville digs, you know, where everybody's happy, everybody's not freethinking and, you know, mom and dad are supposedly happily married.

379
00:26:50,965 --> 00:26:54,765
But yeah, it basically goes on and on in chaos and chaos.

380
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But I'm going to leave it to you, my friend Jeff, to say what you think about the casual racism in pleasantville.

381
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See, pleasantville is a weird platform because I think it tries to be a message film.

382
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But what happens in pleasantville, it becomes an every single message film.

383
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Anything you want to throw on to this movie, you can throw on to it.

384
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Do you hate the commies?

385
00:27:22,865 --> 00:27:23,365
Great.

386
00:27:23,545 --> 00:27:24,765
Watch pleasantville.

387
00:27:25,225 --> 00:27:26,245
Do you hate women?

388
00:27:26,585 --> 00:27:27,245
Perfect.

389
00:27:27,405 --> 00:27:28,565
Watch pleasantville.

390
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Do you hate men?

391
00:27:29,985 --> 00:27:30,505
Excellent.

392
00:27:30,505 --> 00:27:31,285
Watch pleasantville.

393
00:27:31,465 --> 00:27:32,485
Do you hate bowling?

394
00:27:47,665 --> 00:27:48,665
There's not really one.

395
00:27:48,825 --> 00:27:53,145
Because if you watch the film, it's just like 1950s culture.

396
00:27:53,645 --> 00:27:57,485
The beds are separate so they can't fuck, but there's obviously kids in pleasantville.

397
00:27:57,505 --> 00:28:06,565
So obviously they do have sex with each other because kids don't come out of thin air unless they believe that the stork delivers them to their doorsteps, which I don't know, dude.

398
00:28:06,885 --> 00:28:07,425
I don't know.

399
00:28:07,645 --> 00:28:12,785
Stretched Cunningham went upstairs and never came back down.

400
00:28:12,785 --> 00:28:16,965
There's other stuff going on in this film, basically, you know, because everything's perfect.

401
00:28:17,185 --> 00:28:18,945
They win every basketball game.

402
00:28:19,505 --> 00:28:24,505
Dinners are made on time, you know, mom's meatloaf is apparent and all this stuff.

403
00:28:24,525 --> 00:28:28,745
But we throw all these combustible elements like, you know, free thinking in there.

404
00:28:29,085 --> 00:28:34,825
It just it just throws the moral majority off by saying, hey, we got to fix this because we're men.

405
00:28:34,945 --> 00:28:59,745
And, you know, it reminds me of that song in Shock Treatment, you know, where we're we're Janet's dad is singing this song, which I call it the masculine song because he's if you haven't seen it before, he's just singing this this jaunty tune about how a man a man should wax the car, a man should tend the bar, a man should know the setting of the spark plugs get big old misogynistic song, and that's basically the way the men treat the women of this film.

406
00:28:59,765 --> 00:29:07,085
Well, I'm not slapping them around, but they might as well be doing it emotionally because they they know their place and the men tell them where their place is.

407
00:29:07,085 --> 00:29:13,825
Basically you're in the home, dinner's going to be ready on time, but not mean about it, you know, because I've heard mean things about those kind of things.

408
00:29:13,845 --> 00:29:47,565
But yeah, the status quo of this film is definitely threatened by these new elements of, you know, in this case, people turning into color because they have these new elements into their lives that basically shake up their beings and the fact that you have the colored people and the black and white people, you know, in a 1950s setting makes it racist enough as it is because these people are straight up discriminated in the street to the point where William H.

409
00:29:47,585 --> 00:29:50,885
Macy, whose actor I love, makes um, what's the mom's actress name?

410
00:29:50,905 --> 00:29:52,205
I've seen her in a lot of things.

411
00:29:53,005 --> 00:29:54,085
Joan Allen.

412
00:29:54,105 --> 00:29:55,065
Yeah, Joan Allen.

413
00:29:55,125 --> 00:30:00,825
She gets new color and he makes her basically go, you know, white face, if you will.

414
00:30:00,945 --> 00:30:02,285
It's almost like reverse black face.

415
00:30:02,945 --> 00:30:06,285
Just to say, you know, let's keep appearances up to say you're not this.

416
00:30:07,065 --> 00:30:17,725
Well, yeah, but you have to remember, too, the reason that she got color was because her daughter, you know, pseudo daughter, told her how to rub one out the tub.

417
00:30:18,425 --> 00:30:24,665
And then, you know, the fire happens for some way when she orgasms, which I guess is symbolic, I guess, because they never had a fire in Pleasantville.

418
00:30:25,165 --> 00:30:29,885
The fireman's old deal, the fireman's only purpose was to get cats out of trees.

419
00:30:29,905 --> 00:30:35,185
But apparently, fires are lit when Joan Allen's loins get all fired up, you know.

420
00:30:35,525 --> 00:30:36,825
Well, it's the burning bush.

421
00:30:39,145 --> 00:30:42,945
Yeah, STDs get introduced into Pleasantville, but not really in this movie.

422
00:30:42,965 --> 00:30:45,605
Maybe in Pleasantville, too, if that ever happened, but not really.

423
00:30:45,625 --> 00:30:49,865
I don't know, because Reeve Witherspoon fucks Paul Walker and he disappears.

424
00:30:49,885 --> 00:30:53,625
Yes, he does not show up again for the rest of the movie.

425
00:30:53,745 --> 00:30:54,685
What the hell?

426
00:30:54,705 --> 00:30:58,525
I didn't keep him locked in the basement because he can't hit those those those baskets anymore.

427
00:30:58,845 --> 00:31:04,385
You know, I think she American Gods did with her gigantic vagina, swallowed him whole.

428
00:31:05,725 --> 00:31:09,485
He does disappear from that film, though, once he he has sex with her.

429
00:31:09,605 --> 00:31:17,445
And then he's all he's all excited about the sex and he tells all his friends about the sex and then all their basketball games are thrown off.

430
00:31:17,925 --> 00:31:20,285
But that's that's not like the worst part about this film.

431
00:31:20,305 --> 00:31:41,825
The worst part about this film is the fact that they they whitewash a lot of things in this film, like just throwing this much like the next time we talk about this, this classic 1950s racism in there, especially, you know, the things about about the commies, McCarthyism by saying all this new stuff, because they did in Pleasantville, they have no books, they have no music.

432
00:31:42,205 --> 00:31:51,065
But all of a sudden, well, these new elements put in, they know who Buddy Holly is and they know what all these these works of art are and they know what all these classic novels are now.

433
00:31:51,465 --> 00:31:55,605
But they go to the point of saying, this is what making this making our community all fucked up.

434
00:31:55,625 --> 00:31:57,165
So there's a part where they're burning books.

435
00:31:57,725 --> 00:32:14,865
There's a point where they're basically being racist towards Jeff Daniels in the movie by destroying his shop because he he paints a nude mural of Joan Ellen on the wall because, you know, that's a sin, the coveting your neighbor's wife and whatever, you know.

436
00:32:14,885 --> 00:32:16,765
Oh, he got beyond the coveting aspect.

437
00:32:19,845 --> 00:32:24,605
I'm not sure that's racism as much as that is anti-intellectualism.

438
00:32:24,625 --> 00:32:32,825
Yeah, but anything that hurts the status quo, which in this film is especially, you know, bad.

439
00:32:32,825 --> 00:32:43,005
But the fact that they chose to go the way they did by making, you know, certain people in color and certain people, you know, in black and white.

440
00:32:43,025 --> 00:32:48,525
And the black and white folks are the ones that are still in control of the town and this that are the other.

441
00:32:48,545 --> 00:33:00,205
And it's pretty much summed up at the end of this film where Jeff Daniels and Toby McGuire go on trial for painting a brand new mural after they destroy the show shop.

442
00:33:01,045 --> 00:33:06,505
And you have all the black and white sitting on the bottom floor.

443
00:33:06,525 --> 00:33:09,065
You have all the colored sitting at the top floor.

444
00:33:09,345 --> 00:33:17,965
Like they're not good enough to sit down there, you know, is being segregated with the black and white folks because they might, I guess, rub off some some free thinking on them, you know.

445
00:33:20,065 --> 00:33:20,645
Rub off.

446
00:33:23,085 --> 00:33:23,845
Oh, my God.

447
00:33:23,865 --> 00:33:31,605
Any points of the film where you felt awkward about just like, well, I see what you did there kind of thing, you know.

448
00:33:31,625 --> 00:33:34,785
It's pretty heavy handed, man.

449
00:33:34,805 --> 00:33:46,365
I mean, it's hard not to, you know, it's like, oh, these people who aren't in color, obviously, they must see everything in black and white because they are black and white.

450
00:33:46,905 --> 00:33:47,745
So I don't know.

451
00:33:47,885 --> 00:33:52,585
It's like I said, it's pretty heavy handed and it goes all over the place.

452
00:33:53,185 --> 00:33:58,785
So I found it kind of unsettling that there wasn't a real solid ending.

453
00:33:58,805 --> 00:34:01,345
Everybody went back home.

454
00:34:01,465 --> 00:34:07,765
I also don't like the there's there's there's a considerable amount of slut shaming in this film.

455
00:34:07,785 --> 00:34:10,785
You know, because Reese Witherspoon is sexually active.

456
00:34:11,525 --> 00:34:17,045
And when she ends up inside the TV show where nobody understands what sex is.

457
00:34:17,065 --> 00:34:20,865
And like I said, she calls Paul Walker to oblivion.

458
00:34:21,865 --> 00:34:23,485
He just never comes.

459
00:34:23,505 --> 00:34:25,305
Maybe spontaneously combust.

460
00:34:25,325 --> 00:34:26,245
That's a deleted scene.

461
00:34:26,265 --> 00:34:29,765
Maybe, you know, it might be a real cartoony.

462
00:34:29,785 --> 00:34:34,245
Like she pulls like his pin or something and he starts blowing away like a like a balloon.

463
00:34:37,785 --> 00:34:40,665
It's like he just he just comes and he just this he just.

464
00:34:42,705 --> 00:34:43,185
Right.

465
00:34:43,205 --> 00:34:44,865
Just up into the strategy.

466
00:34:44,885 --> 00:34:47,405
Fireworks fireworks and glitter just shoot out of his dick.

467
00:34:49,605 --> 00:34:57,205
But you know, by the end of it, she's like a bookworm and she's wearing glasses and she's going to college.

468
00:34:57,225 --> 00:35:00,025
And I'm not saying that any of those things are bad.

469
00:35:00,725 --> 00:35:04,125
But the implication is, is that now she's approved.

470
00:35:04,145 --> 00:35:07,305
I don't think that those two things are.

471
00:35:07,325 --> 00:35:12,985
You can be smart and still be sexually independent and aggressive.

472
00:35:13,785 --> 00:35:19,525
And you know, you don't have to lose that just because you can do math or you read books.

473
00:35:19,525 --> 00:35:29,245
And I think that something that was supposed to be kind of a pro feminist view actually got twisted in that movie and became kind of anti feminist.

474
00:35:29,265 --> 00:35:30,305
I don't like that.

475
00:35:30,325 --> 00:35:33,185
I don't know how well I see what you're saying.

476
00:35:33,205 --> 00:35:40,225
I don't totally agree all the way because I think she gained a sense of maturity because at the beginning of the film, she was just this girl.

477
00:35:40,505 --> 00:35:44,405
She's just a girl who can't say no, apparently, because Gil said that on a podcast reset.

478
00:35:44,425 --> 00:35:45,265
Couldn't stop laughing.

479
00:35:45,285 --> 00:35:52,525
You know, but now she's like, she's matured now that she's been in pleasure, which is why I guess she chooses to stay.

480
00:35:52,545 --> 00:35:59,905
And plus, now the fact that there's all these new elements implemented by saying, yeah, now a woman can go to college.

481
00:35:59,925 --> 00:36:04,205
And now there is a road outside of Pleasantville that we didn't know was there before.

482
00:36:04,225 --> 00:36:12,965
And now, apparently, mom could have an open relationship with the soda jerk because that scene was awkward at the end where they're just sitting on the bench together, staring at each other.

483
00:36:16,905 --> 00:36:19,485
And dad's like, I guess, cold hot dogs tonight again.

484
00:36:19,585 --> 00:36:21,385
You know, she gives up that glare.

485
00:36:21,545 --> 00:36:30,665
And it all ends in a pretty little dreary old little bowl of Fiona Apple covering the Beatles across the universe.

486
00:36:31,985 --> 00:36:32,505
Yeah.

487
00:36:33,205 --> 00:36:35,625
Just keep us 90s kids all uncoafed.

488
00:36:35,705 --> 00:36:38,825
Because it came out right at the time where I was going to graduate high school.

489
00:36:39,925 --> 00:36:44,905
It was one of those things, just just something else to throw out there to say, you know what?

490
00:36:45,425 --> 00:36:46,665
The world's a shitty place.

491
00:36:46,965 --> 00:36:47,585
You know what?

492
00:36:47,845 --> 00:36:49,925
You should agree with everything this is saying.

493
00:36:50,365 --> 00:36:57,605
And right with the school, you either get a chance to possibly go to college, either learn a trade or they had army recruiters there.

494
00:36:57,665 --> 00:37:04,505
And that's basically it's almost like the same field to me by saying, you know, this is the way the world is.

495
00:37:04,565 --> 00:37:06,185
And there's nothing you could do about it.

496
00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:08,445
But guess what, people, let's shake things up a bit.

497
00:37:08,605 --> 00:37:13,465
And, you know, and that's what Pleasantville did, I think, in a good way and in a bad way.

498
00:37:13,565 --> 00:37:17,365
But at the same time, it came out right, right there.

499
00:37:17,585 --> 00:37:24,585
And it hit me in discomfort zone for when it came out, which is why I don't show a lot of love for the film.

500
00:37:24,605 --> 00:37:29,005
Like, I know a lot of folks I've told, like, so you don't see this fucking subtext, this movie.

501
00:37:29,025 --> 00:37:30,425
It's like, dude, you're fucking crazy.

502
00:37:30,445 --> 00:37:36,265
I was like, fucking watch it again, you know, and people, they disagree with me.

503
00:37:36,305 --> 00:37:39,805
And then they watch it again and they say, wow, I guess he kind of had a point.

504
00:37:39,825 --> 00:37:41,025
Like, yeah, I guess I kind of did.

505
00:37:41,045 --> 00:37:45,485
Just, yeah, it's it's a really strange animal that I happen to enjoy.

506
00:37:45,965 --> 00:37:52,005
But at the same time, it's it's it's really heavy handed, like you said, with a lot of the themes in it.

507
00:37:52,025 --> 00:37:55,265
I think there's more subtext than context.

508
00:37:56,165 --> 00:37:57,005
Yeah, definitely.

509
00:37:57,605 --> 00:38:08,765
But Don Nott is pretty great in it, you know, if you got the comedy relief, I guess he was pretty great in it, you know, there's a little a little nod to the to the old to the old Mayberry days.

510
00:38:09,545 --> 00:38:19,065
Let's get Don Nott because we couldn't get Andy Griffith, but I'll tell you, but he'll do Spy Hard all day long, which I'm not I'm not I'm not hating it.

511
00:38:19,085 --> 00:38:20,225
I'm not hating on Spy Hard.

512
00:38:20,245 --> 00:38:23,685
I love Spy Hard, but he is redonkulous in that movie, you know.

513
00:38:24,685 --> 00:38:25,385
Oh, my God.

514
00:38:25,405 --> 00:38:28,145
But anything else you want to say about Pleasantville?

515
00:38:28,225 --> 00:38:29,385
And then we'll move on, sir.

516
00:38:30,525 --> 00:38:32,145
It's it's worth one watch.

517
00:38:33,205 --> 00:38:37,945
But I mean, you know, you'll get it because it won't let you not get it.

518
00:38:37,965 --> 00:38:41,665
It's kind of like the vegan of of of 90s films in it.

519
00:38:41,885 --> 00:38:47,065
You know, it's like I'm a vegan and I'm going to let you guys know about it.

520
00:38:48,705 --> 00:38:50,905
I don't eat anything that comes comes from a face.

521
00:38:51,645 --> 00:38:52,925
Aren't you fucking special?

522
00:38:54,005 --> 00:38:56,805
Yeah, it's a vegan crossfit after school special.

523
00:38:56,805 --> 00:39:05,505
I think at the end of the vegan culture, it's going to end up with them eating each other, you know, just beginning to get all in a big room.

524
00:39:05,705 --> 00:39:07,465
That would be a great movie, by the way.

525
00:39:07,725 --> 00:39:08,825
Vegan zombies.

526
00:39:08,845 --> 00:39:10,005
I'm talking to you asylum.

527
00:39:10,025 --> 00:39:14,325
Just make them, you know, if you're a vegan, all of a sudden you're a zombie.

528
00:39:14,605 --> 00:39:16,385
Just set it in San Francisco or something.

529
00:39:18,185 --> 00:39:20,465
Set it in Idaho, where it's nothing but farms.

530
00:39:21,225 --> 00:39:29,365
People will say the same about, you know, people who vape, no offense, but a lot of folks think they're just as smug as vegans, and I don't think that's fair, you know?

531
00:39:31,525 --> 00:39:32,765
I vape, so there.

532
00:39:36,145 --> 00:39:37,685
But, yeah.

533
00:39:37,925 --> 00:39:39,405
You don't offend me with that.

534
00:39:40,225 --> 00:39:51,645
But we're going to do the Something New, which I guess will be not the latest entry, but it's available for you guys to own now if you guys want to go run on and go buy this for your unsuspecting children.

535
00:39:52,025 --> 00:39:57,825
Disney's foray into another foray into the animal kingdom is Zootopia.

536
00:39:58,505 --> 00:40:03,105
I made X watch a Disney movie, so I'm going to ask X again, what did you think about Zootopia, sir?

537
00:40:05,085 --> 00:40:07,145
I did not hate it.

538
00:40:08,885 --> 00:40:12,845
I thought the plot took some interesting turns.

539
00:40:12,845 --> 00:40:16,445
It had some horror elements to it, which I particularly enjoyed.

540
00:40:17,265 --> 00:40:21,705
But at the same time, this is definitely a message movie.

541
00:40:21,725 --> 00:40:30,805
I don't think it's racist, but I think it deals heavily with racism.

542
00:40:30,905 --> 00:40:33,025
And that's a difference.

543
00:40:34,805 --> 00:40:39,905
Because you're supposed to have all the animals living together and the predators don't attack the prey.

544
00:40:40,545 --> 00:40:42,785
And everybody gets along and everything is fine.

545
00:40:44,165 --> 00:40:51,245
But it goes really weirdly into like a nature versus nurture kind of area.

546
00:40:51,825 --> 00:41:06,005
And I can see how it would be a little bit uncomfortable, you know, for some people to watch, especially since the main character is a cop, which, you know, lately that's maybe not the best, you know, job to brag about having, unfortunately.

547
00:41:07,825 --> 00:41:10,625
So, I don't know, it's good.

548
00:41:10,925 --> 00:41:14,985
It's a little bit more serious than you would expect from your typical Disney film.

549
00:41:15,325 --> 00:41:21,705
And in some ways, that kind of irritates me because, you know, you watch old Disney for shit like that.

550
00:41:21,725 --> 00:41:25,585
The same way you watch like old war time Looney Tunes cartoons.

551
00:41:25,605 --> 00:41:29,045
It's just like, wow, I can't believe they're actually getting away with this on screen.

552
00:41:29,405 --> 00:41:39,305
This one's really safe and a little bit, well, more than a little bit PC, not completely sanitized, but close to it.

553
00:41:39,305 --> 00:41:42,425
But it's still, the characters are a lot of fun.

554
00:41:42,445 --> 00:41:43,985
So I'd watch it just for that.

555
00:41:44,045 --> 00:41:47,765
Well, you mentioned that there's not a lot of racism in this film.

556
00:41:47,785 --> 00:41:51,125
I kind of wholeheartedly disagree because I think this is...

557
00:41:51,185 --> 00:41:51,985
I knew you would.

558
00:41:52,005 --> 00:41:56,805
This is, you know, I think the best black exploitation film that Disney has to offer.

559
00:41:57,865 --> 00:42:06,225
And let me explain because it goes into the plot towards the end of the movie, too, which makes it totally off the rails into a black exploitation sense.

560
00:42:06,685 --> 00:42:14,625
This film, in the first 15 minutes, there's a fox in the film, which is Judy Hopps, which they say is not...

561
00:42:14,645 --> 00:42:16,805
No, she's a rabbit.

562
00:42:17,605 --> 00:42:25,785
They say that it's not 21 Jump Street reference, but there's a character in 21 Jump Street played by Holly Robinson, who's African American, named Judy Hopps.

563
00:42:26,265 --> 00:42:29,485
And I think Judy Hopps is a tribute to that, but they say it's not.

564
00:42:29,505 --> 00:42:31,005
But I think they're fucking lying in my face.

565
00:42:31,465 --> 00:42:35,225
Much like the same folks who think that Battle Royale is not the hunger...

566
00:42:35,325 --> 00:42:36,845
The Hunger Games is not Battle Royale.

567
00:42:37,265 --> 00:42:42,665
And they had to flip that in reverse there real fast, where I get the fucking Net Nerds kicking my ass.

568
00:42:43,645 --> 00:42:55,225
But yeah, the fox in the film, who basically becomes her buddy in the film, or the rigs to her murtau, I guess you would call it.

569
00:42:55,925 --> 00:42:56,665
Exactly.

570
00:42:58,025 --> 00:43:04,685
Yeah, he basically gets racially discriminated against by being refused service within the first 15 minutes of this film.

571
00:43:05,065 --> 00:43:09,925
Because as a fox, he's a predator, and they don't want his kind in their ice cream shop.

572
00:43:10,625 --> 00:43:12,505
Can't you go to the one up the street?

573
00:43:12,785 --> 00:43:18,405
Which is basically saying, go on the other side of the tracks, and stay the fuck out of our ice cream shop.

574
00:43:19,765 --> 00:43:39,705
They don't outright say that, but if you watch the film, and I've seen this film twice in theaters, and every time that scene comes on, my arm dropped and so did my jaw, lower than Sylvester Stallone by saying, yep, they just did that in a fucking Disney movie, in this day and age, and parents did not have a problem with it.

575
00:43:39,725 --> 00:43:42,785
It's like, yeah, that's kind of not right for...

576
00:43:42,865 --> 00:43:55,485
You mentioned After School Specials, let's sit down and explain the ramifications of what just happened here, as it fits to a society that happened like 50 years ago.

577
00:43:55,505 --> 00:44:03,285
Oh, yeah, but nobody in the movie claims that, you know, that that's like the right way to do things.

578
00:44:03,305 --> 00:44:05,525
They should be discriminating against that fox.

579
00:44:05,925 --> 00:44:08,305
I mean, the fox...

580
00:44:08,305 --> 00:44:10,825
I mean, they're showing it, but they're not promoting it.

581
00:44:10,845 --> 00:44:20,585
Yeah, that's true, but still, the fact that they show it in the film so openly, you even have the fucking sign, we have a right to refuse service to anybody, you know, that kind of thing.

582
00:44:22,185 --> 00:44:25,345
It's almost like that scene in Remember the Titans, which is another Disney movie.

583
00:44:25,365 --> 00:44:36,865
I'm very heavy-handed with the racism shit, but again, it took place in that time where this might have happened, where the Titans go to a restaurant, they tell me they can pick up their food from the kitchen because they don't want black folks in the restaurant.

584
00:44:36,885 --> 00:44:38,965
And, you know, it's...

585
00:44:39,465 --> 00:45:05,785
Yeah, there's a lot of little stuff, and the whole idea of the predators being not necessarily a bad thing, but basically, in the movie, there's a group of predators who, they say, they call it going savage, which basically means they change from their docile predator ways to going back to their ancestral way that they're supposed to be by attacking other citizens of Zootopia.

586
00:45:06,205 --> 00:45:19,965
Well, these animals are supposedly missing, but you find out later that the mayor is hiding them away to cover up their savageness, to not create a panic, obviously, amongst the people, the citizens of Zootopia.

587
00:45:20,325 --> 00:45:29,645
And yeah, that's just like crazy, the fact that the whole idea of that comes into play later on, which is the whole blaxploitation that I was speaking of.

588
00:45:29,925 --> 00:45:40,005
But you gotta look at Zootopia, you gotta look at the whole thing of how it's almost segregated in a way, which it almost would have to be, because you have many different kinds of animals in Zootopia.

589
00:45:40,705 --> 00:45:45,765
They have the rainforest segment, they have the tundra segment, and it's fine.

590
00:45:45,785 --> 00:45:59,325
That's not too racist, and I was kind of overreacting about that a bit, that they're all segregated, but then you gotta remember animals, you know, live in different climates and blah, blah, bullshit, but all of a sudden, they're just hanging out in Times Square, you know, in the heart of Station One.

591
00:46:01,505 --> 00:46:14,705
And of course, it's this time, so you gotta have the overly effeminate secretary-type person who's so fatty gets donuts stuck in his fur, you know, because that's funny, donuts get stuck in your fur because you're so fat, you know.

592
00:46:14,845 --> 00:46:16,105
Right on.

593
00:46:16,125 --> 00:46:17,245
Yeah, that's hilarious.

594
00:46:18,265 --> 00:46:23,825
People see the sloth scene at the DMV in the commercial, and that's really funny.

595
00:46:24,225 --> 00:46:27,205
But there's a lot of really funny stuff in this film.

596
00:46:27,225 --> 00:46:27,785
I love that.

597
00:46:28,145 --> 00:46:30,945
I love the Weasel mob boss scenes.

598
00:46:30,965 --> 00:46:31,745
Those are great.

599
00:46:33,185 --> 00:46:35,685
He's doing his best Marlon Brando impression.

600
00:46:35,705 --> 00:46:37,105
That was a terrible Marlon Brando impression.

601
00:46:37,125 --> 00:46:39,185
I just did, but you know, it's pretty great.

602
00:46:39,945 --> 00:46:46,805
The voice actor who did the Marlon Brando impression of the Weasel godfather, whose daughter is getting married on this day, you know.

603
00:46:47,185 --> 00:46:49,545
They do the whole godfather thing, and it's quite wonderful.

604
00:46:50,665 --> 00:46:52,405
And that's really fun, yeah.

605
00:46:53,285 --> 00:46:54,265
I have to, baby.

606
00:46:54,285 --> 00:46:54,645
I have to.

607
00:46:57,405 --> 00:47:08,845
But then you get to the deeper end of the film, where basically they find all of these savage creatures are locked up, and of course, you know, they find this out, Judy and the Fox character.

608
00:47:09,165 --> 00:47:22,885
And of course, the media gets involved, because Judy is this hero cop now, and she finds these lost predators, if you will, that were tucked away by the mayor for good reason.

609
00:47:22,905 --> 00:47:24,045
Again, not to create a panic.

610
00:47:24,065 --> 00:47:28,105
They want to create a panic amongst citizens of Zootopia.

611
00:47:28,605 --> 00:47:47,585
But yeah, then it goes in this whole schmiel, where she gets to the podium, and all of a sudden she starts spouting racist shit about fucking predators, about how they just reform back to their savage ways, which basically is saying, why don't you go back to Africa, you fucking savage bastard, and go kill a zebra or some shit like that.

612
00:47:48,105 --> 00:47:51,945
And you know, that part got me, and I was like, OK.

613
00:47:52,325 --> 00:48:03,565
And then, of course, this creates a tension between her and the fox, because the fox is a predator, and he starts going into the whole thing about, you know, you just call us you people, that kind of deal.

614
00:48:03,585 --> 00:48:09,025
You're going to think they're promoting, you know, my anger about, you know, stuff that goes on in the minority community.

615
00:48:09,245 --> 00:48:10,085
But I'm not.

616
00:48:10,325 --> 00:48:11,885
This is just what's in this movie.

617
00:48:12,145 --> 00:48:15,265
And you can either recognize that or you can't, you know.

618
00:48:15,605 --> 00:48:23,345
But the great twist in this movie is you find out, because early in the movie, somebody steals these things, which they thought are weeds.

619
00:48:23,425 --> 00:48:25,405
The chief thought they were weeds, but they're not.

620
00:48:25,805 --> 00:48:26,505
They're basins.

621
00:48:27,725 --> 00:48:28,985
I thought they were onions.

622
00:48:29,265 --> 00:48:33,465
But there are these bulbs that grow into these flowers.

623
00:48:34,405 --> 00:48:44,705
Basically, this is the thing that's making these animals go savage, which is perpetrated by the new mayor, who's a little sheep, a little cute little sheep.

624
00:48:45,385 --> 00:48:54,485
But she has a grand plan to put the prey in power and keep the predators at bay, which is done with these things that they call night howlers.

625
00:48:55,105 --> 00:49:00,565
It makes all the animals go savage, and that's the great Disney blaxploitation angle that nobody saw.

626
00:49:00,885 --> 00:49:06,845
Because it's very, very free the hard way, if you think about it, in films like that, where they're going to poison the water supply.

627
00:49:06,865 --> 00:49:11,885
If you've never seen it before, they poison the water supply for the white folks who live, but the black folks would die.

628
00:49:11,905 --> 00:49:13,645
But this isn't that severe.

629
00:49:14,165 --> 00:49:18,605
It's basically making people terrified of their neighbors, almost, by saying...

630
00:49:19,405 --> 00:49:21,725
It's also very undercover, brother.

631
00:49:22,025 --> 00:49:25,265
Except with no General's Fried Chicken, it's butt kicking.

632
00:49:25,285 --> 00:49:27,205
I love undercover, brother.

633
00:49:27,325 --> 00:49:28,705
It's pretty great.

634
00:49:30,785 --> 00:49:33,805
But yeah, it's just a little crazy segments.

635
00:49:33,825 --> 00:49:40,285
And of course, you have the new segment, where Shakira, who's a gazelle, not named gazelle, if you will.

636
00:49:40,305 --> 00:49:54,265
She's a pop singer in the film, and she's doing the whole, almost like what we're going through now with the Black Lives Matter thing, but more peaceful, not, you know, sitting at Tastes Chicago, where Chicago is a terrible community.

637
00:49:54,545 --> 00:49:59,405
I mean, if Black Lives Matter, they're killing each other as soon as it hits 60 degrees.

638
00:49:59,425 --> 00:50:00,705
It's fucking terrible.

639
00:50:00,945 --> 00:50:06,105
I heard a story about the cops found 46 shell casings, and number 47 killed a little girl.

640
00:50:06,365 --> 00:50:10,705
This is why I don't watch the news in Chicago, people, because it's a fucking terrible place to live.

641
00:50:11,005 --> 00:50:13,105
People ask you, what's so great about Chicago winters?

642
00:50:13,125 --> 00:50:14,665
It's like it's too cold outside.

643
00:50:14,685 --> 00:50:15,585
They're not out shooting each other.

644
00:50:16,565 --> 00:50:23,585
So the news is kind of tame, and I like that, you know, but I went into a whole diatribe there, but yeah, there's all the whole...

645
00:50:24,225 --> 00:50:25,585
That's all right, that's all right.

646
00:50:25,745 --> 00:50:26,605
Let it happen.

647
00:50:27,025 --> 00:50:31,765
The whole point of Zootopia, which is it's a great family film.

648
00:50:32,105 --> 00:50:53,565
If you want to sit your kids in front of the television and watch it with them and not explain all the little subtext that's going on in the film, because it's there, and if you're a voyeur like myself, who, like I said, I've seen this twice in theaters, and I watched it all the other times too, just to take it all in, it is really a film that is very heavy handed.

649
00:50:53,585 --> 00:51:04,645
Again, a heavy handed film by Disney, which is by saying all these themes, but not directly throwing them out there, so I guess it's okay, because the kids won't get it.

650
00:51:05,825 --> 00:51:08,385
This is a studio that hates mothers.

651
00:51:08,505 --> 00:51:11,625
I mean, it hates parents in general.

652
00:51:11,845 --> 00:51:20,925
You know, if you watched The Good Dinosaur, I watched that movie, Newsflash, something tragic happens in 20 minutes where the father dies in the flood.

653
00:51:20,945 --> 00:51:23,025
It's really strange.

654
00:51:23,725 --> 00:51:27,545
And Dumbo, mother dies, Bambi's mother dies.

655
00:51:28,185 --> 00:51:33,985
Well, you assume that Dumbo's mother is going to die, because she's savage, if you will.

656
00:51:34,065 --> 00:51:34,505
You know?

657
00:51:36,565 --> 00:51:41,785
Saying Disney makes traumatic movies is like saying Cannon used to love Chuck Norris.

658
00:51:42,125 --> 00:51:44,105
I mean, it's just a fact.

659
00:51:44,105 --> 00:51:46,145
That's just what Disney does.

660
00:51:46,725 --> 00:51:49,645
They pull you in, they fucking kill somebody.

661
00:51:49,925 --> 00:51:55,565
They're all about orphaning children and leaving them to be raised by strangers.

662
00:51:57,065 --> 00:51:59,065
Ugh, that's why I don't watch shit like that.

663
00:51:59,725 --> 00:52:03,525
Zootopia is not that bad, but you know what?

664
00:52:03,945 --> 00:52:15,145
I really do think that you're going to have to have a discussion with younger kids about it when you're done, because as far as society goes, it's a pretty fucking good mirror.

665
00:52:16,825 --> 00:52:21,085
And it's probably a great gateway film to discussing those kinds of issues.

666
00:52:21,105 --> 00:52:22,285
It's not an accident, I think.

667
00:52:22,305 --> 00:52:25,085
It's not an accident at all that this movie happened.

668
00:52:25,425 --> 00:52:42,325
You know, the stuff we're going through now, not me personally, but as a society, it's going through now, and it wasn't an accident this film was released when it was, and I'm sure they had many rewrites where they added stuff in, but I think there's enough comic relief.

669
00:52:42,345 --> 00:52:52,405
And then, of course, at the end, it's wrapped up in a nice, moral little bow, where, of course, the fox who was a degenerate, he was a criminal, now becomes...

670
00:52:53,165 --> 00:52:54,865
He's a great criminal.

671
00:52:54,885 --> 00:52:56,365
I love the popsicle bit.

672
00:52:56,885 --> 00:53:08,065
It was a great hustle, and you know, and that's great, and it wraps itself up in, of course, a nice little moral bow where everybody's all happily ever after.

673
00:53:08,365 --> 00:53:09,305
Evil is punished.

674
00:53:09,325 --> 00:53:10,725
The bad guys are in prison.

675
00:53:11,345 --> 00:53:11,845
Whatever.

676
00:53:12,245 --> 00:53:19,865
Everybody's living in perfect harmony in Zootopia, which is fine, but it's not the world we live in, and it's not the world they created in that film.

677
00:53:21,525 --> 00:53:21,785
Right.

678
00:53:22,745 --> 00:53:34,525
And again, like Pleasantville, there's a wrap-up, but it's not a real solid wrap-up, because according to Pleasantville, what you do to bring everybody together is you listen to Shakira.

679
00:53:34,545 --> 00:53:34,865
Oh, yeah.

680
00:53:36,465 --> 00:53:37,065
Does that work?

681
00:53:37,085 --> 00:53:55,785
Yeah, I don't think it works for sure with Shakira, but you know, the message is there for the fact that, you know, and I forgot to mention this earlier, she has very, her parents who are carrot farmers are very, you know, they're very complacent people who tell her at a very young age that you should stay in your place in society.

682
00:53:57,585 --> 00:53:58,645
Yeah, don't try.

683
00:53:58,665 --> 00:54:01,045
Rabbits are meant to do this and nothing else.

684
00:54:01,345 --> 00:54:02,685
We're meant to stay docile.

685
00:54:02,705 --> 00:54:04,785
We don't like confrontation.

686
00:54:05,125 --> 00:54:15,845
You shouldn't go out and try to succeed in something that you love, which we know one great thing about the Judy Hopps, Judy Hopps character is that she defies all that.

687
00:54:15,945 --> 00:54:18,485
She goes to be something greater than herself.

688
00:54:18,905 --> 00:54:28,905
So if you want to look for something, as far as the subtext goes, about somebody, a character you can look up to, except for the little bit of racist spouts that she had on the podium there.

689
00:54:28,925 --> 00:54:38,545
A young female humanoid, eight, nine years old, ten years old, could look up to Judy Hopps in a really wonderful way.

690
00:54:38,825 --> 00:54:41,825
And I can't say about that about many Disney characters.

691
00:54:42,265 --> 00:54:43,805
I agree.

692
00:54:43,805 --> 00:54:53,225
Especially you mentioned before, like in the 60s where they had Princess This and Princess That, but now the way Disney does it now, where women are a lot more independent.

693
00:54:54,945 --> 00:54:58,305
I think it started with Beauty and the Beast, but even then she was kind of stuck where she was.

694
00:54:58,665 --> 00:55:17,805
But if you watch a film like Tangled, which took the Rapunzel story and turns it on its head, where she's kicking people's asses with that hair of hers and she's doing flip kicks and she's very independent and can take care of herself, it gives young female people a strong female character to look up to.

695
00:55:19,385 --> 00:55:21,125
Girls can do things now.

696
00:55:22,585 --> 00:55:24,485
Even in Zootopia, people, you know.

697
00:55:25,325 --> 00:55:45,265
And the song is scary, the Try Anything song, I think it's a nice wrap up, you know, to say that this is a song that goes with the feeling of the film because she did try and she did eventually succeed in doing what she wanted to do, even though everybody else was telling her that was stupid and rabbits don't do that.

698
00:55:46,705 --> 00:55:50,445
And she did fuck up a few times, but, you know, she still went ahead and did it.

699
00:55:50,465 --> 00:55:55,165
And I agree, that's a very positive character in that film.

700
00:55:55,525 --> 00:56:01,745
Like I said, this is the first Disney cartoon I've watched in years that didn't make me want to give myself a Colombian necktie.

701
00:56:03,565 --> 00:56:08,225
But yeah, we really rated these films, but I'll start with Pleasantville.

702
00:56:08,245 --> 00:56:09,545
What would you rate the film on to 10.

703
00:56:16,805 --> 00:56:17,725
I will give Pleasantville a solid 6.

704
00:56:17,745 --> 00:56:19,005
I just think it's too thin.

705
00:56:19,025 --> 00:56:27,245
I think it goes everywhere and tries to pull everything into one single issue, and you can't do that.

706
00:56:28,525 --> 00:56:29,985
Life's too complex for that.

707
00:56:30,005 --> 00:56:31,785
I'm right there with you with a 6.

708
00:56:32,225 --> 00:56:39,385
It's better than Middle of the Road, but I think what saves it is not the message, because the message is really warped in that film.

709
00:56:39,765 --> 00:56:45,505
That's the main problem with the film, in my opinion, is the actors, the caliber of actors in the film.

710
00:56:45,725 --> 00:56:46,405
You're William H.

711
00:56:46,425 --> 00:56:53,145
Macy, you're Jeff Daniels, and you're Joe and Alan, you have people like that who are really great in the film, and they really take it someplace else.

712
00:56:54,425 --> 00:56:56,385
Yeah, Pleasantville is a 6 for me as well.

713
00:56:57,405 --> 00:56:59,245
Zootopia, what do you think about that one, sir?

714
00:57:00,685 --> 00:57:01,225
You know what?

715
00:57:01,525 --> 00:57:03,625
I can't even fucking believe I'm saying this.

716
00:57:04,705 --> 00:57:05,725
Zootopia gets an 8.

717
00:57:05,745 --> 00:57:06,705
Yeah, it's fun.

718
00:57:07,065 --> 00:57:07,525
It's fun.

719
00:57:07,925 --> 00:57:09,905
I think I'd give it an 8 as well.

720
00:57:09,925 --> 00:57:11,185
I mean, I've seen it in theaters.

721
00:57:11,205 --> 00:57:11,845
I've seen it twice.

722
00:57:11,865 --> 00:57:12,745
And I had fun.

723
00:57:12,905 --> 00:57:13,805
I had fun watching it.

724
00:57:14,025 --> 00:57:17,445
But I'm amongst all the subtexts, but you know, the subtext is there.

725
00:57:17,465 --> 00:57:27,305
But I think that instead of, you know, saying let's turn on Zootopia for the kids, and say let's let it be their babysitter, I think it should be watched as a family.

726
00:57:27,325 --> 00:57:46,225
And you should explain to little Johnny, little Susie maybe, you know, the stuff that's out there in the world today, you know, especially that fucking mess they got going on in the UK, where, you know, I'm thinking about little Rosemary, our friend and colleague Misty, their daughter, as strong as she can in school.

727
00:57:46,445 --> 00:58:01,985
You know, people are picking on her, they're bullying her, you know, because of the fact that she's, her mother is a Texan, and her father is from Britain and other stuff too, but she's, she don't want to help her parents, and I've got to really respect the independence of that little girl.

728
00:58:02,025 --> 00:58:03,965
And much love, Rosemary.

729
00:58:05,005 --> 00:58:06,505
The beefers love you, you know.

730
00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:32,185
But yeah, it's a really wonky world we live in, and I try to stay as positive as I can without blowing my top, because a lot of these public formats now, and these Facebooks and these Twitters, people let their opinions know, even about the dumbest things, like racially shaming Leslie Jones on Twitter, who's...

731
00:58:32,565 --> 00:58:32,885
What?

732
00:58:32,905 --> 00:58:34,545
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

733
00:58:34,725 --> 00:58:45,685
Seriously, I know you're not listening to my show, because I'm not a hate monger, but you made the woman quit Twitter, because you guys are racially shaming her about being the black ghost buster in the film.

734
00:58:47,145 --> 00:58:49,125
And nobody ever did that to her.

735
00:58:49,205 --> 00:59:05,245
Even because she's a female, and she's black, and she was a bit token in that film, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't warrant you badgering a person who's Leslie Jones and not that character in the film, you know, trying to shave her.

736
00:59:05,265 --> 00:59:12,505
I'm sure she's being very strong about all this, but still, people are assholes in this world, especially with the social media format we got going on.

737
00:59:12,525 --> 00:59:12,925
You know?

738
00:59:13,665 --> 00:59:19,145
Oh, it's just so easy to say whatever you want to and hide behind a screen name, you know?

739
00:59:20,185 --> 00:59:25,665
We can all be Jay and Sal and Bob and get a ton of money and go kick all the people's asses that talk shit about us.

740
00:59:25,685 --> 00:59:31,005
Did you say they are, quote, fucking clown shoes?

741
00:59:31,485 --> 00:59:32,465
Yeah, yeah, I did.

742
00:59:32,485 --> 00:59:37,145
I love that shit, man.

743
00:59:37,925 --> 00:59:42,905
But, yeah, with that, we'll move on to some more of the wonderful messages you guys sent us.

744
00:59:43,245 --> 00:59:44,005
See you guys soon.

745
00:59:44,025 --> 00:59:49,345
Oh, some great messages from Boss Butcher, Moporn and Bo Ransdell.

746
00:59:49,685 --> 00:59:50,285
Enjoy.

747
00:59:50,305 --> 00:59:52,365
Hello, Gary.

748
00:59:52,565 --> 00:59:57,385
Boss Butcher here from Terror Troop Podcast and Found Footage Files Podcast.

749
00:59:57,785 --> 01:00:00,125
Three years of Cinema Beef, man.

750
01:00:00,445 --> 01:00:01,445
Time flies.

751
01:00:01,465 --> 01:00:02,645
I know all too well.

752
01:00:03,225 --> 01:00:17,585
Next thing you know, you're hundreds of episodes deep in shows you've recorded, and you've had a lot of good times and made some good friends, and I'm glad to count you among my friends, Gary, and glad to have you aboard the Terror Troop from time to time as well.

753
01:00:18,845 --> 01:00:21,165
Just keep on rocking the shows.

754
01:00:21,185 --> 01:00:31,525
You are, I mean, seemingly tireless guy, cranking out shows, and I know you have a lot of fun with it, and you have that sense of community that you have, and you have a good time.

755
01:00:31,805 --> 01:00:33,505
Always a very supportive person.

756
01:00:33,525 --> 01:00:40,605
Appreciate you and wish you all the best in the future with all your future endeavors, podcasting or whatever you decide to do.

757
01:00:40,625 --> 01:00:47,125
I'm going to go through your list here to celebrate the third anniversary of Cinema Beef.

758
01:00:47,585 --> 01:00:51,525
First thing you wanted was three greatest film beefs.

759
01:00:51,545 --> 01:00:56,745
This will be the toughest one for me because I don't know, I guess I'm looking at things I bitch about about movies.

760
01:00:57,065 --> 01:00:59,125
The biggest thing for me is comedies in general.

761
01:00:59,145 --> 01:01:04,925
I mean 99% of comedy movies I do not find funny at all.

762
01:01:05,985 --> 01:01:13,505
So I really hate just recycled shitty fucking comedies.

763
01:01:13,525 --> 01:01:14,445
I can't stand them.

764
01:01:14,465 --> 01:01:15,465
I never have been a...

765
01:01:15,745 --> 01:01:23,065
I like a lot of comedy movies, but I don't know, that's just one that, I mean, almost all of them are worthless to me, don't have any use for them at all.

766
01:01:24,905 --> 01:01:32,065
Also, hate about when they hype some big Hollywood movie and say it's the scariest movie in years.

767
01:01:32,085 --> 01:01:34,145
It's the greatest horror movie in years.

768
01:01:34,685 --> 01:01:39,305
And yeah, it's scary to people who watch one horror movie every four years or something like that.

769
01:01:39,325 --> 01:01:40,625
I guess that's great.

770
01:01:40,645 --> 01:01:45,445
But I think they should just quit doing that, claiming to be the scariest movie ever.

771
01:01:45,465 --> 01:01:56,445
It's very subjective, very, very rarely, are you going to just scare the shit out of all kinds of people and have that title mentioned in the same breath as your film.

772
01:01:56,465 --> 01:02:07,825
I mean, there's been a lot of scary movies over the years, and even some of the ones that horror fans in general think are the scariest film ever, I personally do not find them scary, and many others do not either.

773
01:02:08,165 --> 01:02:08,985
Just the way it is.

774
01:02:09,005 --> 01:02:11,685
It's just lame-o when they use that as a hype.

775
01:02:12,945 --> 01:02:20,585
Another thing I can't stand is, and I'm getting this way, I hate to be this way, and I know a lot of people who just can't get enough of these superhero movies.

776
01:02:20,605 --> 01:02:22,305
I fucking had enough of them.

777
01:02:22,365 --> 01:02:24,445
I mean, I'm waiting for Doctor Strange.

778
01:02:25,365 --> 01:02:26,465
We'll see how it turns out.

779
01:02:26,865 --> 01:02:32,425
But I haven't even watched, like, I don't even know the last five, six superhero movies.

780
01:02:33,285 --> 01:02:36,165
They coaxed me out to watch The Guardians of the Galaxy.

781
01:02:36,185 --> 01:02:37,145
That was a nice movie.

782
01:02:37,165 --> 01:02:37,965
That was a lot of fun.

783
01:02:37,985 --> 01:02:38,525
I enjoyed that.

784
01:02:38,545 --> 01:02:40,325
But most of them I just, I don't have any use for them.

785
01:02:40,345 --> 01:02:40,965
I'm tired of them.

786
01:02:41,265 --> 01:02:42,065
Do something different.

787
01:02:42,385 --> 01:02:45,525
So I guess that's my three cinema beefs that I have.

788
01:02:45,885 --> 01:02:48,205
My greatest film, Rage Quit.

789
01:02:48,685 --> 01:02:50,285
That one I can name easily.

790
01:02:50,305 --> 01:02:53,225
It's the only movie that I have ever walked out of.

791
01:02:53,245 --> 01:02:56,145
A film from 1990 when I was a young man.

792
01:02:56,165 --> 01:02:57,665
Out with my girlfriend.

793
01:02:57,785 --> 01:02:59,445
And we went to watch Joe vs.

794
01:02:59,465 --> 01:03:01,605
the Volcano starring Tom Hanks.

795
01:03:02,045 --> 01:03:03,425
Fucking hated that movie.

796
01:03:03,865 --> 01:03:05,465
Left, I don't even remember.

797
01:03:05,685 --> 01:03:08,065
To this day, I don't even remember what the movie's even about.

798
01:03:08,205 --> 01:03:11,185
It probably isn't as bad as I think it is in my mind.

799
01:03:11,565 --> 01:03:13,625
But that's the only movie I've ever walked out of.

800
01:03:13,645 --> 01:03:20,465
Although, I would have walked out of Lords of Salem, but I was covering it for the podcast, so I stayed.

801
01:03:21,125 --> 01:03:23,565
That was one of the shittiest movies I've ever seen.

802
01:03:23,585 --> 01:03:24,545
Big disappointment.

803
01:03:25,025 --> 01:03:27,045
And I've seen some shitty movies, as you well know.

804
01:03:29,145 --> 01:03:33,805
As far as a film that shaped the way I've watched films today, there's several on it.

805
01:03:34,005 --> 01:03:51,245
But we'll start off with, as far as my podcasting goes, as far as Terror Troop especially, watching a lot of the bad movies we watched there, a film called Spawn of the Slithers from 1978, helped me to realize that movies can be complete garbage and still be entertaining.

806
01:03:51,645 --> 01:03:52,725
I still like the movie.

807
01:03:52,825 --> 01:03:54,265
It's from 1978.

808
01:03:54,285 --> 01:04:00,205
I saw it at the drive-in as a kid and was very disappointed, even though years later I've come to love this movie.

809
01:04:01,645 --> 01:04:03,065
I think that's one of them, though.

810
01:04:03,065 --> 01:04:09,765
I love the B movies, the monsters, the crappy suits that they made, horrible acting, whatever.

811
01:04:09,905 --> 01:04:12,505
I just fell in love with it because of movies like this.

812
01:04:12,525 --> 01:04:14,585
There's probably other ones that could have caused that.

813
01:04:15,545 --> 01:04:21,085
And I'm sorry to make this a lengthy response, but the other one would have been The Matrix.

814
01:04:21,105 --> 01:04:22,505
I loved The Matrix.

815
01:04:22,525 --> 01:04:24,385
It really blew my mind when it came out.

816
01:04:24,405 --> 01:04:29,385
Of course, now it's not as amazing as it used to be, I suppose, but that one was really awesome.

817
01:04:29,405 --> 01:04:33,485
And the other one I would mention would be Blue Velvet by David Lynch.

818
01:04:34,205 --> 01:04:42,685
Just really amazing film, and I've always looked at films a little differently ever since I saw that and to some extent Wild at Heart as well.

819
01:04:42,705 --> 01:04:44,445
But anyway, there's that.

820
01:04:44,925 --> 01:04:48,825
And I just want to once again wish you the best, Gary.

821
01:04:49,105 --> 01:04:54,305
I hope you're having a great time celebrating your third anniversary of Cinema Beef, man.

822
01:04:54,305 --> 01:04:55,965
Thanks for being a friend, man.

823
01:04:56,125 --> 01:04:57,305
Take care, bye bye.

824
01:04:57,325 --> 01:04:57,345
Bye.

825
01:05:03,788 --> 01:05:06,508
Howdy folks, Mo here from the No Budget Nightmares Podcast.

826
01:05:06,848 --> 01:05:21,128
Without my more talkative co-host, Doug underscore Tilly, that's T-I-L-L-E-Y, he's probably off writing the sequel to Rock Paper Scissors, Fall of the Original Six, part two, Electric Boogaloo, perhaps.

827
01:05:21,408 --> 01:05:34,828
Anyway, Gary asked me to record a little something about beefs that I have with cinema, movie series that I don't like, or ideas in film that I don't particularly care for.

828
01:05:34,848 --> 01:05:35,768
So I got a couple of those.

829
01:05:36,088 --> 01:05:42,288
He also asked to talk about rage quitting movies and also films that have shaped me.

830
01:05:42,568 --> 01:05:44,588
So let's get right into it.

831
01:05:44,848 --> 01:05:47,688
I don't wanna waste your time, I don't wanna waste his time.

832
01:05:48,108 --> 01:05:50,948
I will waste Doug's time all I fucking want.

833
01:05:51,408 --> 01:05:52,948
Anyway, let's get right into it.

834
01:05:53,068 --> 01:06:08,588
All right, first off is a film series started in the 90s that I originally felt was just a really bad knockoff of the good 80s teen sex romps that had ended a few years previous.

835
01:06:08,608 --> 01:06:14,668
I think the last good quote unquote 80s teen sex romp actually came out in like 93.

836
01:06:15,268 --> 01:06:17,548
And that is the American Pie films.

837
01:06:17,568 --> 01:06:19,628
They are fucking terrible.

838
01:06:20,408 --> 01:06:22,388
I know there are people out there who enjoy them.

839
01:06:22,528 --> 01:06:24,908
I never have, I never understood the appeal.

840
01:06:25,808 --> 01:06:32,928
I just felt that they were like mean spirited or at the very least not funny, which is equally as bad in my book.

841
01:06:33,788 --> 01:06:41,068
I felt that whereas with the 80s teen sex romps, they tended to come from a place of innocence.

842
01:06:41,768 --> 01:06:45,268
And I just felt that these ones were just mean.

843
01:06:45,288 --> 01:06:48,648
I think I may have just said that already, but I don't care, I'm repeating it.

844
01:06:48,708 --> 01:06:50,828
These ones are, they're not the same.

845
01:06:51,248 --> 01:06:57,388
It's, they're attempting to cash in on the idea of showing boobs for boobs sake.

846
01:06:57,808 --> 01:07:18,168
But, you know, just guys being fun and being guys and not like, you know, it's not like, oh, well, you know, we're gonna send this live video feed out to the entire school so everybody can watch, you know, this woman masturbating, you know, or this guy getting caught fucking a pie or whatever.

847
01:07:18,188 --> 01:07:20,088
I just, it never appealed to me.

848
01:07:20,108 --> 01:07:24,348
It actually put a huge stigma on Sean William Scott for me for a long time.

849
01:07:24,828 --> 01:07:29,268
I refused to watch any movies he was in because I hated the Stifler character so much.

850
01:07:29,308 --> 01:07:35,888
And now, because I've gotten over that and realized he's not a bad actor, that's just a bad character.

851
01:07:35,908 --> 01:07:40,848
I actually am, I wouldn't say a huge fan, but I am a fan of his work.

852
01:07:40,868 --> 01:07:43,728
He's definitely had, you know, at least a couple of good movies.

853
01:07:43,788 --> 01:07:51,508
Anyway, moving on to a more recent series, that is The Hangover Films, again, I watched the first one.

854
01:07:51,528 --> 01:07:53,248
I didn't understand the appeal.

855
01:07:53,268 --> 01:08:00,288
I was super excited because the cast is phenomenal, but man, what a fucking letdown.

856
01:08:00,308 --> 01:08:02,788
They're just not funny at all.

857
01:08:02,808 --> 01:08:04,808
It's just like, I just don't get it.

858
01:08:04,868 --> 01:08:07,008
It's just not my kind of comedy, I guess.

859
01:08:07,348 --> 01:08:19,648
Anyway, I did watch the racist sequel that I also did not enjoy and avoided the third one at all cost because it looked even worse somehow.

860
01:08:20,628 --> 01:08:23,528
Anyway, yeah, okay.

861
01:08:23,688 --> 01:08:25,068
Let's move on to the big one now.

862
01:08:25,648 --> 01:08:32,228
This is a filmmaker who I have an issue with more so than anything else, and that is Joe fucking Castro.

863
01:08:32,968 --> 01:08:38,848
I'm not sure if fucking is actually his middle name or if I just stuck that in there, but anyway, Joe Castro.

864
01:08:38,868 --> 01:08:40,388
Yeah, he's a real piece of shit.

865
01:08:40,888 --> 01:08:42,708
I don't know if that's considered libel or not.

866
01:08:42,728 --> 01:08:44,648
I don't care, because it's really it's fact.

867
01:08:45,888 --> 01:08:51,948
You know, anybody who listens to the No Budget Nightmares podcast, which I'm sure none of you do, and that's fine.

868
01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:52,708
That's fine.

869
01:08:52,948 --> 01:08:56,548
I will give you information on how to do that later in this.

870
01:08:58,248 --> 01:09:02,468
Episode nine, we dealt specifically with his film of Terror Tunes.

871
01:09:03,228 --> 01:09:12,948
Well, he found that because I'm fairly certain he has a Google Alerts for his own name.

872
01:09:13,508 --> 01:09:14,908
And no, that's kidding.

873
01:09:15,008 --> 01:09:16,548
We know exactly how he found it.

874
01:09:16,568 --> 01:09:18,028
It's all entirely Doug's fault.

875
01:09:18,588 --> 01:09:19,928
And he will cop to that as well.

876
01:09:19,948 --> 01:09:21,668
It is entirely Doug's fault.

877
01:09:22,148 --> 01:09:23,728
And so he listened to our episode.

878
01:09:23,868 --> 01:09:36,608
And even though our review of the film was actually much kinder than it probably should have been and very even and very fair, we actually did compliment the film a few times.

879
01:09:37,268 --> 01:09:39,988
Even though I did open by saying that it was a piece of shit.

880
01:09:40,148 --> 01:09:40,588
Guess what?

881
01:09:40,708 --> 01:09:41,728
It is a piece of shit.

882
01:09:44,108 --> 01:09:52,368
Things escalated and ultimately finished off with my face being Photoshopped onto gay porn.

883
01:09:52,928 --> 01:10:02,608
So if you want to hear that entire story, listen to, you can listen to episode nine, which is Terror Toons, and then listen to episode 30, our 30th episode Spectacular.

884
01:10:02,628 --> 01:10:05,548
Either why we did it for episode 30, who knows, but whatever.

885
01:10:07,328 --> 01:10:13,008
And that's the only time we actually go into any like huge details about what happened.

886
01:10:13,108 --> 01:10:19,028
And it's the only time we ever will because frankly, after that happened, we were just done with the whole thing.

887
01:10:19,048 --> 01:10:21,888
We don't ever want to, we'll never review another film of his.

888
01:10:21,908 --> 01:10:24,608
We'll never even fucking consider it.

889
01:10:25,188 --> 01:10:27,068
It's just not going to happen ever.

890
01:10:28,548 --> 01:10:29,908
So yeah, so Joe Castro.

891
01:10:30,848 --> 01:10:46,628
Real quick story about Joe Castro, not to go back to it, but when all of this shit happened, I actually got invited to a storytellers event called Get To The Point that happens in the city that I live in here.

892
01:10:48,488 --> 01:10:58,428
And so I actually wrote out the entire story of what happened with Terror Toons and with Joe Castro and got up in front of a live audience and told the story to everybody.

893
01:10:59,468 --> 01:11:08,188
And then at the end, I brought my laptop up with me and at the end, I flashed a picture of what he had made.

894
01:11:08,828 --> 01:11:13,548
And yeah, it was a bit shocking, but it got a laugh.

895
01:11:13,568 --> 01:11:14,568
So I was happy with that.

896
01:11:14,908 --> 01:11:18,448
Anyway, bonus for Beefs.

897
01:11:18,468 --> 01:11:23,808
And that is less with the film itself and more with the people who don't like this movie.

898
01:11:23,828 --> 01:11:27,128
And that is people who dislike Punisher Warzone.

899
01:11:27,628 --> 01:11:33,128
We have an issue because Punisher Warzone is a near perfect comic book movie.

900
01:11:33,528 --> 01:11:34,208
It's fun.

901
01:11:34,708 --> 01:11:36,028
It's action packed.

902
01:11:36,488 --> 01:11:38,448
It's over the top ridiculous.

903
01:11:38,748 --> 01:11:41,828
The villain is a comic book villain.

904
01:11:42,008 --> 01:11:45,168
And might I add an actual villain of Punisher's.

905
01:11:45,428 --> 01:11:50,388
Now you can go on and on and on about whether or not it's a accurate portrayal of Frank Castle or not.

906
01:11:50,808 --> 01:11:53,168
I think that Ray Stevenson did a fantastic job.

907
01:11:54,808 --> 01:12:05,908
And to date, even with Daredevil season two, I still say that Punisher Warzone is the best portrayal of Frank Castle in a film ever.

908
01:12:06,388 --> 01:12:06,908
The end.

909
01:12:07,288 --> 01:12:10,308
All right, moving on to rage quitting films.

910
01:12:10,588 --> 01:12:16,808
This is going to be a much shorter section than the last one because I don't rage quit films.

911
01:12:17,088 --> 01:12:30,128
I think my pedigree and my history of watching No Budget Nightmares for the podcast gives you an idea that I generally can sit through most things.

912
01:12:31,548 --> 01:12:33,768
There is one notable exception.

913
01:12:33,788 --> 01:12:41,468
There's one movie that I've ever shut off and it had nothing to do with it angering me more so that I just couldn't handle the subject matter.

914
01:12:42,308 --> 01:12:46,208
One of my specialties has always been disturbing films.

915
01:12:47,088 --> 01:13:05,688
In fact, I did a whole year once where every week I watched a different disturbing film and even though there's only 52 weeks in the year, I ended up watching something like 67 and it broadened my horizon and of that entire year, there was only one movie I couldn't watch and that was The Men Behind the Sun.

916
01:13:05,988 --> 01:13:19,168
So if you're looking to expand your horizon of truly disturbing films, and not just disturbing because there's all sorts of violence and shit, it's like the whole subject matter is just truly disturbing.

917
01:13:19,628 --> 01:13:26,868
Great movie up until the point where I couldn't watch anymore, but it just it put me over that edge and I'm like, I can't do this anymore.

918
01:13:26,888 --> 01:13:27,788
I can't finish this.

919
01:13:28,048 --> 01:13:31,528
So no rage quitting as such, but I did shut off Men Behind the Sun.

920
01:13:31,948 --> 01:13:36,788
And lastly, talking about the films that have shaped me as a film viewer.

921
01:13:37,868 --> 01:13:38,468
Here's the thing.

922
01:13:38,948 --> 01:13:51,928
I got into film, I am not filmmaking, although I did eventually, I did, I got into film viewing into my film obsession a little later than I think a lot of cinephiles do.

923
01:13:52,588 --> 01:13:58,428
I didn't really start going crazy with it until I was about 18, but I went nuts when I did.

924
01:13:58,448 --> 01:14:08,568
I got, I was lucky enough to have a video store locally that had just an extensive like weird movie section.

925
01:14:09,128 --> 01:14:14,948
It had an entire section on something weird videos, which is where my something weird obsession started.

926
01:14:15,608 --> 01:14:22,568
It had a whole wall of cult films and just, I mean, it was all killer stuff, just really, really fantastic.

927
01:14:23,108 --> 01:14:24,888
It's the first place I saw street trash.

928
01:14:24,908 --> 01:14:30,868
It's the first place I saw dark backwards, you know, eraser head, you know, the classics.

929
01:14:31,348 --> 01:14:43,128
Anyway, so I would say films that shaped me as a film viewer, there was a two tape set of the films of Richard Kern.

930
01:14:43,668 --> 01:14:47,748
You may remember them if you were into his films.

931
01:14:47,868 --> 01:14:48,908
They're called Hardcore.

932
01:14:48,928 --> 01:14:50,688
It's Hardcore Volume One, Hardcore Volume Two.

933
01:14:51,748 --> 01:14:54,928
I always loved the very punk rock aesthetic of these movies.

934
01:14:55,348 --> 01:14:59,388
And I like, and of course, them having Lydia lunch in them helped a lot.

935
01:15:00,868 --> 01:15:09,588
But yeah, it's, I always felt like, I always felt like, you know, like it's the sort of movies that like just anybody could go out and just make.

936
01:15:10,008 --> 01:15:15,288
I mean, granted, you probably wouldn't include the rape, but hey, it's what he did.

937
01:15:15,588 --> 01:15:16,848
You know, he had his thing.

938
01:15:17,568 --> 01:15:24,468
So I found the DIY aesthetic very appealing to me as a filmmaker and as a punk rocker at the time.

939
01:15:25,628 --> 01:15:31,768
Then I also developed a huge affinity for animated films.

940
01:15:32,368 --> 01:15:45,228
And so like that's where I discovered the films of Haruo Miyazaki, like the studio, I don't know if you pronounce it Ghibli or Ghibli, however, it's just another GIF, GIF sort of argument.

941
01:15:45,248 --> 01:16:03,728
But anyway, the Miyazaki film catalog, I became a huge fan of his work and also a slightly obscure, just completely bat shit crazy stop motion animator named Dionne Svankmajer, who I just adore.

942
01:16:03,868 --> 01:16:06,648
I fucking absolutely love his work.

943
01:16:07,648 --> 01:16:12,388
It's insane, it's unique, it's original, you know?

944
01:16:12,528 --> 01:16:20,888
And I mean, now granted his two biggest movies are A Retelling of Faust and A Retelling of Alice in Wonderland, but still, they're very original.

945
01:16:20,888 --> 01:16:23,108
They're unique, they're great.

946
01:16:23,308 --> 01:16:24,068
I love them.

947
01:16:25,048 --> 01:16:32,588
So I would say those, I would say as far as my kitch or camp, I really love the films of John Waters.

948
01:16:32,668 --> 01:16:51,088
I've always kind of been a fan of his because before I really got obsessed with films, like I had already seen like all of his, what I call his family friendly era, you know, Hairspray, Crybaby, you know, Serial Mom, that sort of stuff and beyond.

949
01:16:52,268 --> 01:16:55,728
But yeah, so big, big John Waters fan, still am to this day.

950
01:16:55,748 --> 01:16:58,188
I will always love John Waters.

951
01:16:58,368 --> 01:17:00,568
He is one of the best.

952
01:17:00,588 --> 01:17:03,868
He's in my top five easily for directors.

953
01:17:04,548 --> 01:17:10,608
Also the films of Terry Gilliam, who is just a fucking mad genius.

954
01:17:12,508 --> 01:17:15,548
Like Brazil to this day is still one of my favorite movies ever.

955
01:17:15,968 --> 01:17:19,928
Yeah, and like weird, like crazy action filmmakers.

956
01:17:19,948 --> 01:17:26,068
Like I love Paul Verhoeven, like Total Recall and Robocop, two of my favorite movies of all time.

957
01:17:26,908 --> 01:17:35,848
And last but not least, we'll move on to the more cerebral, although he still does fantastic action, the films of Akira Kurosawa.

958
01:17:36,628 --> 01:17:41,728
To date, I would say that Seven Samurai is probably my, well not probably, it is.

959
01:17:42,428 --> 01:17:44,908
It's my, Seven Samurai is my favorite movie of all time.

960
01:17:45,828 --> 01:17:52,448
It's been my favorite movie of all time since the first time I saw it in 1998 when I rented it.

961
01:17:52,748 --> 01:17:55,348
And I've been in love with it forever.

962
01:17:56,928 --> 01:18:02,888
I also, before becoming a big film fan, I was a big Shakespeare guy.

963
01:18:02,908 --> 01:18:05,428
I really love, and I still do love Shakespeare.

964
01:18:06,008 --> 01:18:22,088
And so finding out that this filmmaker who I was already kind of in love with had taken and turned a lot of Shakespeare plays into these weird, feudal Japan samurai movies.

965
01:18:22,588 --> 01:18:27,428
It was just like, holy shit, this is, he was making these for me.

966
01:18:28,028 --> 01:18:36,268
And so that became a big influence on me as well, as far as the more serious movies that I watch.

967
01:18:36,708 --> 01:18:39,428
But yeah, so as you can tell, I'm pretty all over the place.

968
01:18:39,848 --> 01:18:41,388
That's it, that's my entire list.

969
01:18:41,828 --> 01:18:45,108
I really hope that this isn't too long for you, Gary.

970
01:18:45,828 --> 01:18:48,808
If it is, I apologize, but I'm not cutting any of this out.

971
01:18:49,388 --> 01:18:51,908
Anyway, I'm going to wrap this up.

972
01:18:52,268 --> 01:18:58,608
You can check out No Budget Nightmares on Facebook, www.facebook.com/NoBudgetNightmares

973
01:18:59,128 --> 01:19:05,008
You can also check out our entire archive of episodes at nobudgetpodcast.com.

974
01:19:05,448 --> 01:19:10,188
Anyway, I'm gonna send it back over to you, Gary, and congratulations on three years.

975
01:19:10,828 --> 01:19:12,248
Anyway, back to you.

976
01:19:21,271 --> 01:19:24,211
Hey, Gary and the gang, happy third anniversary.

977
01:19:24,231 --> 01:19:32,091
I couldn't be happier to contribute at least a little bit to such a monumentous occasion.

978
01:19:33,011 --> 01:19:37,871
Gary, as always, you're doing the Lord's works, or the way you carried the banner for Legion Podcasts.

979
01:19:38,371 --> 01:19:39,331
It does my heart good.

980
01:19:39,751 --> 01:19:43,931
So at your request, here are my three Cinema Beefs.

981
01:19:45,191 --> 01:19:47,371
One is Untold Stories.

982
01:19:47,771 --> 01:19:49,291
I'm tired of Untold Stories.

983
01:19:50,091 --> 01:19:55,891
In the Heart of the Sea, and Victor Frankenstein, and Dracula Untold.

984
01:19:56,191 --> 01:19:57,631
I don't need any of that stuff.

985
01:19:57,651 --> 01:19:58,531
They're all terrible.

986
01:19:58,891 --> 01:20:01,451
I don't need to know what happened before the thing I like happened.

987
01:20:02,131 --> 01:20:02,991
So knock that off.

988
01:20:04,091 --> 01:20:06,671
Secondly, action movies.

989
01:20:06,831 --> 01:20:07,751
Where have they gone?

990
01:20:07,771 --> 01:20:11,771
I'm talking about the middle tier, you know, the Golden Globus, the canon films.

991
01:20:13,191 --> 01:20:29,951
You know, Ninja II recently did it really well, but I wish there were more of those kind of middle tier, not quite bottom of the barrel action movies, but just enough money pumped into them to see some good destruction with a little bit of charm and kind of cheapo nostalgia.

992
01:20:30,611 --> 01:20:31,951
I wish there were more of that stuff.

993
01:20:32,351 --> 01:20:37,311
My third cinema beef is cell phones, particularly cell phones being out of range.

994
01:20:37,591 --> 01:20:38,611
It's lazy.

995
01:20:38,771 --> 01:20:40,191
It's lazy screenwriting.

996
01:20:40,691 --> 01:20:41,171
Stop it.

997
01:20:42,511 --> 01:20:49,311
I think that there are plenty of ways that you can handle cell phones in modern movies, especially like horror movies and thrillers.

998
01:20:50,111 --> 01:20:57,911
Hush, recently, the Mike Flanagan movie did that really well of making cell phones a thing, but also taking them out of the equation in a good way.

999
01:20:59,011 --> 01:21:00,071
So yeah, stop that.

1000
01:21:00,091 --> 01:21:04,891
Just walking around with your cell phone out, like pointing at the sky, trying to get a bar.

1001
01:21:04,911 --> 01:21:06,751
I'm tired of seeing that in movies, knock it off.

1002
01:21:08,171 --> 01:21:10,831
Rage Quits was something that you had mentioned.

1003
01:21:10,931 --> 01:21:13,471
When have I rage quitted a movie?

1004
01:21:13,511 --> 01:21:15,731
I try to be a completist.

1005
01:21:15,811 --> 01:21:18,071
I try to watch any movie that I start.

1006
01:21:18,811 --> 01:21:22,931
I don't think I've ever walked out on a movie, although in retrospect, there are some I should have.

1007
01:21:24,311 --> 01:21:29,171
I would say the only time I've recently done that was actually with Man of Steel.

1008
01:21:30,191 --> 01:21:40,291
You know, chalk this up to Grandpa Bo not being with it, but I thought Man of Steel was a terrible interpretation of Superman and I didn't finish it.

1009
01:21:40,371 --> 01:21:42,831
I just wasn't the Superman I wanted to see on screen.

1010
01:21:43,271 --> 01:21:45,111
So, yeah, kind of a bummer.

1011
01:21:46,171 --> 01:21:59,131
And as far as something that changed the way that I view movies from when I was a kid, you know, I'm gonna say it was Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the Gene Wilder version, of course.

1012
01:21:59,771 --> 01:22:06,531
I saw that as a kid and it was this weird combination of being very silly and at times really dark.

1013
01:22:07,251 --> 01:22:13,651
And I really responded to the weirder, weirder, darker elements of that movie.

1014
01:22:14,111 --> 01:22:17,791
And I think it didn't necessarily lead me to horror.

1015
01:22:17,811 --> 01:22:31,251
I'd seen some horror movies by that time and I was already into it, but it also gave me an appreciation for being able to be kind of dark and macabre, you know, in just random run-of-the-mill movies.

1016
01:22:31,271 --> 01:22:32,251
And I always liked that.

1017
01:22:32,271 --> 01:22:36,411
So yeah, anyway, I hope that was somewhat interesting.

1018
01:22:36,451 --> 01:22:38,431
And again, happy third anniversary.

1019
01:22:38,791 --> 01:22:39,771
Take your victory lap.

1020
01:22:39,791 --> 01:22:40,851
You certainly deserve it.

1021
01:22:40,991 --> 01:22:43,931
And I look forward to more shows from you guys very soon.

1022
01:22:44,551 --> 01:22:46,431
I enjoy those quite a bit.

1023
01:22:46,451 --> 01:22:48,671
So congratulations, guys.

1024
01:22:48,831 --> 01:22:49,851
And we'll talk to you soon.

1025
01:22:50,231 --> 01:22:51,231
My name is Martin.

1026
01:22:51,751 --> 01:22:53,151
I'm 84 years old.

1027
01:22:53,971 --> 01:22:56,711
People think I'm crazy when I tell them how old I am.

1028
01:22:58,411 --> 01:22:59,371
I'd like to be normal.

1029
01:22:59,771 --> 01:23:00,971
I just have a sickness.

1030
01:23:01,931 --> 01:23:04,311
The only way I can survive is by drinking blood.

1031
01:23:13,851 --> 01:23:19,025
Thank you It's not easy living the way I do.

1032
01:23:19,965 --> 01:23:23,145
I have to be careful all the time.

1033
01:23:23,165 --> 01:23:24,125
But I'm pretty good at it.

1034
01:23:24,745 --> 01:23:26,885
I think as I get older, I get better.

1035
01:23:28,025 --> 01:23:29,165
I haven't been caught yet.

1036
01:23:30,165 --> 01:23:32,725
Martin, Another Kind of Terror.

1037
01:23:45,068 --> 01:23:47,448
You see, people don't understand what's wrong.

1038
01:23:47,928 --> 01:23:49,608
They think that I'm a monster.

1039
01:23:49,808 --> 01:23:51,308
They think I'm a vampire.

1040
01:24:05,150 --> 01:24:10,570
People don't realize that those things I see in the movies are not real.

1041
01:24:10,750 --> 01:24:13,370
I don't have a whole lot of women.

1042
01:24:13,890 --> 01:24:16,830
It's nice to watch them.

1043
01:24:16,850 --> 01:24:18,650
I watch them a lot all the time.

1044
01:24:19,090 --> 01:24:22,190
I have to, to be sure that nothing goes wrong.

1045
01:24:22,990 --> 01:24:23,810
I follow them.

1046
01:24:24,970 --> 01:24:26,390
I'm very careful.

1047
01:24:28,370 --> 01:24:29,490
I have needles now.

1048
01:24:30,190 --> 01:24:31,030
I can use them.

1049
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:32,890
I can put them to sleep.

1050
01:24:33,870 --> 01:24:34,750
And it doesn't hurt.

1051
01:24:44,406 --> 01:24:46,946
Martin, Another Kind of Terror.

1052
01:24:47,346 --> 01:24:49,186
I would like to be like everyone else.

1053
01:24:49,206 --> 01:24:53,066
I have to do things that I don't necessarily like to do.

1054
01:24:53,726 --> 01:24:54,806
I want to stay alive.

1055
01:24:55,486 --> 01:24:56,666
I do need blood.

1056
01:25:02,062 --> 01:25:05,722
From the Director of Night of the Living Dead, Marzo.

1057
01:25:15,142 --> 01:25:15,902
How you doing, Jamie?

1058
01:25:16,442 --> 01:25:18,462
I am doing well, and I'm excited to be here.

1059
01:25:18,482 --> 01:25:19,382
Great, I'm glad to.

1060
01:25:19,402 --> 01:25:21,302
I love being around rotted meat.

1061
01:25:21,342 --> 01:25:24,182
Rotted meat, huh?

1062
01:25:24,982 --> 01:25:26,422
And also with us is Brian M.

1063
01:25:26,442 --> 01:25:26,742
Sammons.

1064
01:25:27,962 --> 01:25:29,642
I'm doing good, thanks for having me.

1065
01:25:29,862 --> 01:25:30,522
Oh, for sure.

1066
01:25:31,362 --> 01:25:36,842
To that we're going to talk about a movie, which I call a Redemption movie on this list, because I saw it when I was like 13.

1067
01:25:36,862 --> 01:25:42,622
I didn't care for it all that much because it wasn't Dawn of the Dead, but we're talking about Martin today.

1068
01:25:42,642 --> 01:25:54,322
It stars a young John Amplas who was in the Romero camp for a long time to play in Will Bittparts, and of course the zombie Nathan in Creepshow.

1069
01:25:54,762 --> 01:25:59,102
But this is a story about a man who may or may not be a vampire.

1070
01:25:59,542 --> 01:26:05,122
I think he's more of a sociopath, if you ask me, who enjoys to cut open people and drink their blood.

1071
01:26:05,142 --> 01:26:18,562
And then he comes to, with his crazy cousin, he comes to meet his crazy cousin who thinks that he's not sporadic and he must be put to death because there's a curse on the family and all hell breaks loose as he's brought to this Pittsburgh neighborhood.

1072
01:26:18,582 --> 01:26:21,542
And apparently his cousin is Colonel Sanders.

1073
01:26:21,742 --> 01:26:23,242
Yes, yes, indeed.

1074
01:26:26,542 --> 01:26:28,382
That was Brian's joke, I have to...

1075
01:26:28,402 --> 01:26:29,842
Oh, it needed to be addressed.

1076
01:26:30,682 --> 01:26:36,142
That white suit, more like the chunky Colonel Sanders from The Waterboy, though.

1077
01:26:36,162 --> 01:26:38,382
The chunky.

1078
01:26:38,622 --> 01:26:41,182
He's been eating too much of that special, what is it?

1079
01:26:41,982 --> 01:26:44,962
13 herbs and spices or whatever.

1080
01:26:44,982 --> 01:26:46,962
That original recipe is what I was trying to say.

1081
01:26:46,982 --> 01:26:47,702
Yes, indeed.

1082
01:26:49,022 --> 01:26:50,462
I guess we'll deter to Brian.

1083
01:26:50,482 --> 01:26:52,582
Brian, what was the first time you saw Martin?

1084
01:26:52,802 --> 01:26:54,122
What do you think about it, sir?

1085
01:26:54,482 --> 01:26:55,442
Martin.

1086
01:26:56,162 --> 01:26:58,002
Oh, I always liked this movie.

1087
01:26:58,582 --> 01:27:00,222
I've seen it, God, years ago.

1088
01:27:00,782 --> 01:27:05,362
And like you, when I first saw it, I was like, eh, it's okay.

1089
01:27:06,462 --> 01:27:08,342
Where's the fangs?

1090
01:27:08,682 --> 01:27:11,102
Where's all the cool vampire powers?

1091
01:27:11,122 --> 01:27:12,702
Where's all the blood and gore?

1092
01:27:12,962 --> 01:27:16,242
And there is some blood in here, but this movie isn't about that.

1093
01:27:18,062 --> 01:27:25,422
It has a really good central idea on what could be madness, how it's led up to that point.

1094
01:27:26,262 --> 01:27:37,442
And yet Romero, he does these little things in there where he plays with the idea of, well, maybe it's what it looks like.

1095
01:27:38,322 --> 01:27:46,762
Martin is a young kid who comes from like an old world family, obviously of Eastern European descent, although I don't think they get very specific.

1096
01:27:47,802 --> 01:27:51,442
In his whole life, he's been told he's Nosferatu.

1097
01:27:52,802 --> 01:28:03,582
There's supposedly some curse, some ages old, multi-generational curse that every once in a while, somebody is born a Nosferatu or a vampire.

1098
01:28:04,442 --> 01:28:06,202
And they're not the traditional vampires.

1099
01:28:06,362 --> 01:28:07,602
They can go out in the sun.

1100
01:28:08,862 --> 01:28:10,142
They can eat other food.

1101
01:28:10,642 --> 01:28:17,322
It just so happens that they have to kill people and drink their blood, or so this crazy family believes.

1102
01:28:18,062 --> 01:28:29,382
And for whatever the reason, Martin now goes to live with what at first I assumed was his grandfather, because the man is decades older than him.

1103
01:28:29,822 --> 01:28:31,422
Yet it turns out that he's his cousin.

1104
01:28:31,902 --> 01:28:33,922
And I'm like, well, how the hell does that happen?

1105
01:28:34,942 --> 01:28:44,082
Then in the movie, they relate something like the crazy cousin, the old man, says, oh, Martin is much older than he appears to be.

1106
01:28:44,102 --> 01:28:47,342
He was born in like 1909 or something like that.

1107
01:28:48,702 --> 01:28:53,622
And then you think, oh, well, obviously, grandpa cousin is off his nut.

1108
01:28:54,482 --> 01:28:56,602
But then even Martin is like, oh, I'm so old.

1109
01:28:56,622 --> 01:28:59,482
I'm 84 years old or 89 years old or something.

1110
01:29:00,542 --> 01:29:08,782
And then you're like, OK, well, obviously, they've been telling this poor kid these crazy stories all his life that he now believes them.

1111
01:29:09,242 --> 01:29:13,802
But there is something in a memory that Martin has.

1112
01:29:14,262 --> 01:29:26,962
He's running around some old world type place complete with villagers chasing him with torches and people driving around in like Model T's or, you know, at least whatever they'd be driving, like, let's say the 20s or 30s.

1113
01:29:29,062 --> 01:29:36,842
And you don't know if that's just Martin's fantasy, because another thing I like about this, Martin always has these idealized fantasies of when he's on the hunt.

1114
01:29:37,482 --> 01:29:39,542
The first time we see the character is on a train.

1115
01:29:39,562 --> 01:29:40,922
It's a Pittsburgh bound train.

1116
01:29:41,362 --> 01:29:46,202
And it's set in the modern day, or at least the modern day of 1976, I want to say.

1117
01:29:46,622 --> 01:29:47,862
And he sees a pretty lady.

1118
01:29:48,282 --> 01:29:49,642
So he has it all in his head.

1119
01:29:49,662 --> 01:29:51,062
How is it going to go down?

1120
01:29:51,462 --> 01:29:53,862
He's going to open her sleeping car.

1121
01:29:54,202 --> 01:30:00,462
She's going to be there lying in bed, surrounded by candlelight, drinking wine, in a negligee.

1122
01:30:00,482 --> 01:30:04,982
And she's going to see him and she's going to beckon him with his arms and they're going to embrace him.

1123
01:30:06,042 --> 01:30:09,962
When he goes in there to finally do what he's going to do, it is totally different.

1124
01:30:10,962 --> 01:30:16,802
And I always like that where, in his head, he thinks it's going to be one way and it's all romantic.

1125
01:30:17,202 --> 01:30:24,742
And it's typical vampire porn, where the women are all sensual and they're beautiful and they want this.

1126
01:30:25,162 --> 01:30:28,262
And in reality, it's almost always 100% different.

1127
01:30:29,162 --> 01:30:34,322
Well, he tries to make a plan and then his plan gets foiled because she's in the crapper, putting her face on.

1128
01:30:34,342 --> 01:30:36,762
What do I do now?

1129
01:30:37,642 --> 01:30:40,702
Later, he picks out this other woman to follow.

1130
01:30:41,242 --> 01:30:52,562
And because Martin don't have any fangs or hypnotic powers, he's got to use razor blades and syringes full of some of the slowest acting sedative I've ever seen.

1131
01:30:52,862 --> 01:30:55,442
Yep, Sony makes a big chem lab, I guess.

1132
01:30:55,882 --> 01:31:02,202
Yeah, and even that I kind of like, because usually movie drugs, you jab somebody for needle and they're out in like one second later.

1133
01:31:04,402 --> 01:31:06,242
So I'm glad it's not like that.

1134
01:31:06,562 --> 01:31:17,642
But it's also, I mean, he hits this girl with a whole shot full of knockout drugs and for like 10 minutes of rolling around on the ground, fighting, and she's like, why are you doing this?

1135
01:31:17,662 --> 01:31:18,582
Are you a rapist?

1136
01:31:18,602 --> 01:31:19,542
What'd you give me?

1137
01:31:19,842 --> 01:31:22,782
And just, it goes on almost to a comedic level.

1138
01:31:23,182 --> 01:31:36,522
And then eventually she falls asleep and he does the vampire bit, which in Martin's case is because he's so messed up, he can only get with a woman if he knocks her out and then he wants to drink her blood.

1139
01:31:36,902 --> 01:31:37,262
Yeah.

1140
01:31:37,662 --> 01:31:39,122
And that's how the character begins.

1141
01:31:41,062 --> 01:31:45,562
Now the movie, I think it's a really good movie because it's a different take on a vampire film.

1142
01:31:45,862 --> 01:31:47,062
And I'm always down for that.

1143
01:31:47,482 --> 01:31:49,942
And it's well shot and pretty much well acted.

1144
01:31:51,082 --> 01:31:54,742
And we get to see Martin grow as a character.

1145
01:31:55,842 --> 01:32:01,242
He is a painfully shy kid, maybe an 80 year old kid who knows when this begins.

1146
01:32:01,742 --> 01:32:06,502
And then as the movie goes on, he becomes more and more of a real person.

1147
01:32:06,522 --> 01:32:12,342
You know, he actually has a relationship, but all the while he has this vampiric need.

1148
01:32:12,622 --> 01:32:12,902
Yeah.

1149
01:32:13,322 --> 01:32:27,202
I think the film to me is kind of one of those weird things where it's almost like killing and like knocking girls out is almost like his masturbation, because till he finally gets some real loving, he sees...

1150
01:32:29,422 --> 01:32:30,622
Yeah, the sexy stuff.

1151
01:32:30,642 --> 01:32:33,842
Yeah, he's rethinking his life and the situation.

1152
01:32:33,862 --> 01:32:42,742
Maybe I shouldn't be knocking these girls out and drinking their blood when there's real stuff like relationships I could be involved in.

1153
01:32:43,182 --> 01:32:49,062
And this is just what I need to get up off of that kick, you know, that high of drinking the blood of the innocent.

1154
01:32:49,082 --> 01:32:53,082
You know, but for the not so innocent in the case of the cheating couple.

1155
01:32:53,942 --> 01:32:55,042
But he still does it.

1156
01:32:55,242 --> 01:32:55,842
He still does.

1157
01:32:55,862 --> 01:32:57,182
Yes, relationship.

1158
01:32:57,202 --> 01:33:00,362
You know, he knocks off the two bums in the alley.

1159
01:33:02,082 --> 01:33:04,642
And that leads me to another point.

1160
01:33:05,322 --> 01:33:09,822
He keeps going on and on with his cousin about, look, there's no magic.

1161
01:33:09,842 --> 01:33:12,482
You're just crazy that, you know, there is no supernatural.

1162
01:33:12,982 --> 01:33:18,122
And he says a line in here and he only says it once because I was waiting for them to elaborate on it, but they never do.

1163
01:33:18,642 --> 01:33:20,222
And he's like, it's just a sickness.

1164
01:33:20,342 --> 01:33:21,602
It's just a disease.

1165
01:33:22,162 --> 01:33:30,902
And I wonder, is he speaking just purely of a mental disorder or could there be some physiological desire?

1166
01:33:31,202 --> 01:33:48,762
I mean, could he be like anemic, like extremely anemic where, you know, there's theories that vampire lore and legends began because people with severe cases of anemia had to be replaced at a low oxygen count, and how did you do that in Ye Olde and Days Well?

1167
01:33:48,782 --> 01:33:50,862
You get it from some of the cells.

1168
01:33:52,242 --> 01:33:57,362
And there's a couple of things like that that are just sprinkled throughout.

1169
01:33:57,742 --> 01:34:03,742
And maybe it's wise on Romero for not indulging too much into it, leaving the mystery up for you.

1170
01:34:05,162 --> 01:34:07,602
Or maybe he was just sloppy and just didn't get around to it.

1171
01:34:07,662 --> 01:34:08,122
I don't know.

1172
01:34:09,302 --> 01:34:12,842
The overall effect, though, is it is a good movie.

1173
01:34:13,862 --> 01:34:14,522
I do like it.

1174
01:34:14,662 --> 01:34:16,602
I just think it's a tad bit long.

1175
01:34:16,622 --> 01:34:23,362
Now, it's only 90 minutes, but there is a bit of repetition in it where Martin kind of does the same thing over and over.

1176
01:34:24,042 --> 01:34:27,222
There's no reason to see it multiple times.

1177
01:34:27,242 --> 01:34:28,622
The character doesn't change.

1178
01:34:29,062 --> 01:34:32,482
He does change, but not because of these, you know, seasons.

1179
01:34:33,102 --> 01:34:37,522
So if you've seen him stalk and kill one person, you've seen him stalk and kill, you know, a hundred people.

1180
01:34:37,702 --> 01:34:38,702
Yes, indeed.

1181
01:34:38,762 --> 01:34:39,362
I agree.

1182
01:34:39,782 --> 01:34:43,402
I mean, it just, it gets a little bit too long, but not, not horribly so.

1183
01:34:43,902 --> 01:34:50,802
And the ending, pardon me, is both really good and also like shockingly abrupt.

1184
01:34:51,142 --> 01:34:51,662
Oh, it is.

1185
01:34:51,682 --> 01:34:52,842
Cause it just kind of happens.

1186
01:34:53,362 --> 01:34:53,722
Yeah.

1187
01:34:53,742 --> 01:34:56,122
And pardon me again.

1188
01:34:56,142 --> 01:35:01,342
I don't mind a good shocking ending, but this almost seemed like la da da da da.

1189
01:35:01,422 --> 01:35:01,842
The end.

1190
01:35:02,382 --> 01:35:02,702
Yep.

1191
01:35:02,902 --> 01:35:03,422
Credits.

1192
01:35:03,442 --> 01:35:03,882
Wow.

1193
01:35:04,142 --> 01:35:04,562
That's it.

1194
01:35:04,982 --> 01:35:05,802
That's just it.

1195
01:35:05,802 --> 01:35:08,042
That's how you want to end it.

1196
01:35:08,082 --> 01:35:26,082
I did like the way it ended though, because the way that they filtered in the radio stuff, because for some reason, Martin was a radio god, he was the count on the radio, and people like to hear him talk about doing his vampire stuff and all that stuff, and you know, cousin doing what he was doing.

1197
01:35:26,242 --> 01:35:28,262
At the end, I don't want to give it away if you haven't seen Martin.

1198
01:35:29,182 --> 01:35:38,722
And I do like the irony there at the end where something happens because he actually didn't do what somebody thought he did.

1199
01:35:38,742 --> 01:35:42,642
It's like the one time he didn't do it is the time he gets punished.

1200
01:35:44,982 --> 01:35:45,422
Jamie?

1201
01:35:45,442 --> 01:35:51,462
Again, I just thought it was a need to, not even tonally abrupt, just like, end.

1202
01:35:51,822 --> 01:35:52,882
Yep, for sure.

1203
01:35:53,342 --> 01:35:55,462
But I mean, overall, I really dug it.

1204
01:35:55,482 --> 01:35:55,802
Jamie.

1205
01:35:56,822 --> 01:36:00,842
Well, this was, this is actually only this time I've ever seen this film.

1206
01:36:01,222 --> 01:36:08,242
And the first time I watched it, I'm not sure exactly how old I was, but I know I was still living at home.

1207
01:36:08,262 --> 01:36:09,242
So I was a teenager.

1208
01:36:10,802 --> 01:36:12,422
And I didn't care for it very much.

1209
01:36:13,002 --> 01:36:14,762
I liked the idea behind it.

1210
01:36:15,042 --> 01:36:23,162
That was, you know, a sort of a modern vampire tale with, with all of the lore attached to it.

1211
01:36:23,182 --> 01:36:26,902
And it was just basically a regular goth by all appearances.

1212
01:36:27,542 --> 01:36:31,502
I liked that aspect of it, but I felt like it was a little boring and draggy.

1213
01:36:31,522 --> 01:36:34,082
And I remembered that about it all these years.

1214
01:36:34,162 --> 01:36:37,882
And I had kept meaning to watch it again, but I just never got back around to it.

1215
01:36:38,482 --> 01:36:41,542
And I just always remembered.

1216
01:36:41,562 --> 01:36:44,722
I liked the idea, but I felt like the execution was a little boring.

1217
01:36:45,222 --> 01:36:58,142
So when we watched it for this, which I was really excited to finally know, I realized that apparently I was too young to appreciate it at the time, or maybe I wasn't in the right frame of mind.

1218
01:36:58,162 --> 01:36:58,742
I don't know.

1219
01:36:58,762 --> 01:37:02,522
But I definitely appreciated it much more now.

1220
01:37:03,342 --> 01:37:05,122
I enjoyed it thoroughly.

1221
01:37:05,142 --> 01:37:18,102
I love the, his character, because while he is in every sense of the word a villain, and that, you know, he lead the trail of bloodless victims wherever he goes, he's also very tragic.

1222
01:37:18,782 --> 01:37:25,702
And I find myself feeling a lot of sympathy for him, which is, you know, what supposed to happen.

1223
01:37:26,242 --> 01:37:43,062
But I think it's a good sort of allegory for, you know, awkward teen angst, you know, and just not knowing where you fit in with the world and people telling you this is how, this is how you are, and this is how you should be.

1224
01:37:43,242 --> 01:37:56,082
And you know, because you've got his cousin, you know, Colonel Sanders' cousin, basically telling, like filling his head with all of these, with all of this family history, which seems quite believable at times.

1225
01:37:56,322 --> 01:38:06,582
And even though the magic parts of it and, you know, the garlic and the crucifixes and all of that, they clearly don't work like the cousin would have you believe that they should.

1226
01:38:07,622 --> 01:38:09,322
So that part is clearly not true.

1227
01:38:09,782 --> 01:38:16,202
But then he does have sort of like the flashback memories that kind of lead you to believe, well, maybe he is actually 84, like he says he is.

1228
01:38:16,622 --> 01:38:36,362
And then you have, you know, the brief glimpse of the, like, say, for instance, the old woman that comes into the shop that his cousin owns and she's like, you're lazy and we work hard around here, you know, and just like a way the way a lot of older people view teenagers and regardless of the generation, that's always seeming to be the way it is.

1229
01:38:36,382 --> 01:38:37,662
Oh, that's a look at him now.

1230
01:38:38,802 --> 01:38:43,562
But so you've got, you know, on one hand, people telling you this is how you are.

1231
01:38:43,602 --> 01:38:48,722
This is how you, this is what's wrong with you and this is how you need to improve yourself.

1232
01:38:48,742 --> 01:38:56,682
And then you have the teenager himself who is suffering through all this and doesn't really know what to do with himself.

1233
01:38:56,942 --> 01:39:12,782
So I think you could kind of look at this as an allegory of respect if you wanted to look that far into it and knowing Romero and how he does love to have his social commentary, you know, it doesn't really seem that far off the mark to me.

1234
01:39:13,422 --> 01:39:17,882
But then you can also just look at it for exactly what they're showing you on screen.

1235
01:39:17,902 --> 01:39:21,582
And I still think it's just as tragic and has just as much depth.

1236
01:39:21,862 --> 01:39:25,302
And I still feel just as sorry for him because he doesn't know.

1237
01:39:25,322 --> 01:39:27,662
I mean, he's clearly stumbling through life.

1238
01:39:28,022 --> 01:39:31,162
He has had no meaningful romantic relationships.

1239
01:39:31,182 --> 01:39:32,642
He doesn't know how to do it.

1240
01:39:32,662 --> 01:39:45,562
The only time he can feel close to a woman is when he has knocked her on conscious and is draining her blood and he says this numerous times, you know, he's never had the sexy stuff.

1241
01:39:45,582 --> 01:39:46,882
He doesn't know how to do it.

1242
01:39:47,482 --> 01:40:01,182
And he finally does sort of develop a relationship, even though it's not a very conventional relationship because she is a married woman, but she is an unhappily married woman and she has her own issues.

1243
01:40:01,782 --> 01:40:05,422
So it's not a conventional relationship for a teenage boy.

1244
01:40:06,122 --> 01:40:10,022
I remarked about Summer of 42, we were watching this.

1245
01:40:10,622 --> 01:40:14,222
It does finally get a connection.

1246
01:40:14,462 --> 01:40:21,862
But meanwhile, we're surrounded throughout the thing, other dysfunctional relationships.

1247
01:40:22,182 --> 01:40:32,122
You have his younger cousin who is dating a mustache-less Tom Sabini who is kind of an asshole.

1248
01:40:34,062 --> 01:40:47,782
And she feels very poorly throughout that entire relationship, and then she ends up running off with him, knowing that she's not going to be happy with him, but she runs off with him just to get away from her grandfather, who is the Colonel Sanders' cousin.

1249
01:40:48,622 --> 01:41:02,182
And then you have Peppered throughout the different interactions that he has with other married couples, where they're either cheating on each other, or they're both cheating, or one of them is cheating.

1250
01:41:02,522 --> 01:41:05,522
No one seems to have a good relationship in this film.

1251
01:41:06,042 --> 01:41:08,442
And I think that that is very meaningful here.

1252
01:41:09,842 --> 01:41:11,742
I don't really feel like it ran too long.

1253
01:41:12,662 --> 01:41:21,322
I was never unhappy with the pace that it was taking, or with what was happening, or how long it was taking to happen.

1254
01:41:21,622 --> 01:41:26,362
I do, however, agree that the ending was extremely abrupt.

1255
01:41:26,382 --> 01:41:28,002
It was like a slap across the face.

1256
01:41:29,242 --> 01:41:33,362
It had a very leisurely pace, and then all of a sudden, the end!

1257
01:41:34,462 --> 01:41:35,882
But I like how it ended.

1258
01:41:35,902 --> 01:41:37,742
I mean, I like what happened.

1259
01:41:38,062 --> 01:41:40,042
I just feel like it snuck up on you.

1260
01:41:40,762 --> 01:41:50,802
And as far as the, as when Brian mentioned earlier, that you weren't really sure if maybe Romero was being lazy as far as not explaining things or whatever.

1261
01:41:52,102 --> 01:42:02,702
I think that he did, or he explained as little as he did on purpose, because, I mean, Martin makes the statement that, you know, he stutters and they don't know what's wrong with him.

1262
01:42:03,262 --> 01:42:05,122
No one seems to know what's wrong with him.

1263
01:42:05,482 --> 01:42:11,622
So it only makes sense that we wouldn't know what was wrong with him, you know, kind of like an it follows thing.

1264
01:42:12,142 --> 01:42:19,022
You, I don't feel like we should know any more than the characters themselves are capable of knowing.

1265
01:42:19,702 --> 01:42:22,902
So I don't see anything wrong with that in this instance.

1266
01:42:23,622 --> 01:42:25,322
If he doesn't know, then why should we?

1267
01:42:27,322 --> 01:42:29,522
And I would give him the benefit of a doubt.

1268
01:42:30,162 --> 01:42:32,662
Yeah, I think he's smarter than that.

1269
01:42:32,682 --> 01:42:34,282
And I think he's more careful.

1270
01:42:34,402 --> 01:42:39,962
Now, this was earlier in his career, but I do think he's a more careful story teller.

1271
01:42:39,982 --> 01:42:42,262
I think he just kind of left it ambiguous.

1272
01:42:43,422 --> 01:42:47,442
Or, you know, I mean, because maybe he didn't have a good reason.

1273
01:42:47,922 --> 01:42:51,562
Then he probably figured, well, you know, why do we need one?

1274
01:42:51,582 --> 01:42:52,022
We don't.

1275
01:42:52,442 --> 01:42:54,442
So, you know, I'm happy with that.

1276
01:42:54,482 --> 01:42:59,102
You know, it's because what's really important here, Martin and how he deals with it.

1277
01:42:59,862 --> 01:43:03,942
I mean, overall, I, I thoroughly enjoy this film.

1278
01:43:03,962 --> 01:43:05,702
I think it's very good.

1279
01:43:05,742 --> 01:43:12,982
And it's a shame that it doesn't get a little more variety that he and I absolutely love Romero's on films.

1280
01:43:13,002 --> 01:43:16,002
Everyone who has ever heard me say anything about them knows that.

1281
01:43:16,602 --> 01:43:21,562
Dawn of the Dead is one of my top films, period, of any genre.

1282
01:43:22,402 --> 01:43:27,282
So I also love Day of the Dead, which to this day scares the shit right out of me.

1283
01:43:28,922 --> 01:43:36,442
But I feel like this film is just as strong, but it's been overshadowed by what he has become more popular for.

1284
01:43:37,142 --> 01:43:41,802
But I do feel like there's a lot of there's a lot of good filmmaking here.

1285
01:43:42,142 --> 01:43:45,622
There's a lot of good choices, and it's very intellectual.

1286
01:43:49,062 --> 01:43:51,942
If you haven't seen it, then I have to recommend it.

1287
01:43:51,962 --> 01:43:55,422
I really feel like you need to watch Martin.

1288
01:43:55,442 --> 01:44:00,962
You need to see this other side of Romero, especially if you're only familiar with his dead films.

1289
01:44:00,982 --> 01:44:07,302
Of course, he also did Crazies, which I think is very good, although suffered from a low budget.

1290
01:44:07,662 --> 01:44:12,482
But he does have other sides to him apart from the zombie films.

1291
01:44:12,702 --> 01:44:17,062
And if you haven't ever seen any of those, then I recommend that you do.

1292
01:44:17,482 --> 01:44:20,442
But yeah, feel free to skip There's Always Vanilla because that's not good.

1293
01:44:21,722 --> 01:44:23,442
He doesn't even like that movie.

1294
01:44:24,422 --> 01:44:25,622
Anyway, so yeah, there's that.

1295
01:44:25,802 --> 01:44:26,222
I love it.

1296
01:44:27,762 --> 01:44:33,082
You know, Martin, it was a much better experience than when I was 13, I will say that.

1297
01:44:33,802 --> 01:44:37,502
Because if you were 13, watching the movie can be pretty bored too, I'd say.

1298
01:44:37,762 --> 01:44:48,142
But with adult, you open them up a little more and start to notice like all the stuff you guys said about the social commentary and, you know, is he a vampire, is he a vampire?

1299
01:44:48,162 --> 01:44:56,942
At 13, I'm looking for if he's a vampire, why is he cutting these people open, and treating them below, but he could easily have his fangs out, you know.

1300
01:44:56,962 --> 01:45:02,682
Because that's the way it was pushed to you is this Romero film about a vampire.

1301
01:45:02,702 --> 01:45:05,262
There's still much more to it than that.

1302
01:45:05,622 --> 01:45:13,202
So if you're looking for that, I'd say, you know, look beyond the surface, because that's just scratching the surface of what this movie really is about.

1303
01:45:13,862 --> 01:45:15,342
I like John Amplas' part.

1304
01:45:15,362 --> 01:45:22,822
This is his one big starving role, but he is immersed in the Romero universe, playing other roles.

1305
01:45:23,602 --> 01:45:31,762
I think he plays the perfect timid guy who, you know, seems like a real lonely guy that you want to talk to.

1306
01:45:31,782 --> 01:45:33,202
Poor Martin, poor Martin.

1307
01:45:33,622 --> 01:45:38,362
But you can just tell that his uncle wasn't talking shit about him all over, or his cousin, I mean, but talking shit about him all over town.

1308
01:45:38,862 --> 01:45:42,042
Sandy, he plays that classic bad seed.

1309
01:45:42,062 --> 01:45:44,902
Like, you know, in a way, that's the way it works, too.

1310
01:45:44,922 --> 01:45:50,282
Like, you got that uncle who's estranged, and he's the black sheep of the family.

1311
01:45:50,302 --> 01:45:51,782
Well, Martin's the black sheep.

1312
01:45:51,842 --> 01:45:56,402
He's one of the three of the black sheep of this family, apparently, because there's three like him, apparently.

1313
01:45:56,922 --> 01:46:02,342
And if they play that really well, especially with the cousin, just demeaning him and all that stuff.

1314
01:46:04,022 --> 01:46:16,562
And I love that Christine Forrest, little Christine Forrest Romero now, has more to do in this movie than any other movie, really, because I really enjoyed that character, her being the most endearing person to Martin, I guess.

1315
01:46:17,562 --> 01:46:18,182
I did, too.

1316
01:46:18,302 --> 01:46:20,602
I liked her quite a bit, actually.

1317
01:46:20,622 --> 01:46:30,202
I wasn't really sure about her at first, or like how she was going to react to him, because, you know, his uncle, or uncle, his cousin had instructed him not to talk to her.

1318
01:46:30,842 --> 01:46:36,922
So he was being really awkward, and attempting not to really engage in conversation with her.

1319
01:46:37,162 --> 01:46:41,622
So I wasn't really sure how that relationship was going to go, but I like her character.

1320
01:46:41,642 --> 01:46:44,082
I like everything about her character.

1321
01:46:44,522 --> 01:46:51,342
They had that weird thing, like towards the end, where she was going to leave with, uh, with mustacheless Tom Savini.

1322
01:46:51,362 --> 01:46:53,762
I don't know his name.

1323
01:46:53,782 --> 01:46:56,042
He's just mustacheless Tom Savini in this movie.

1324
01:46:56,642 --> 01:46:59,142
He had one, but I don't remember what it was.

1325
01:46:59,182 --> 01:47:00,022
Yes, indeed.

1326
01:47:00,042 --> 01:47:06,822
And he almost felt like he wanted to get with her in a way, because she's the only one they would give a time, the time of day, really.

1327
01:47:06,842 --> 01:47:10,302
But she was like his cousin, so that's kind of strange.

1328
01:47:10,862 --> 01:47:18,582
There was that, there was that really bizarre remark made by one of the women in the store who was like a young man in the home with your granddaughter.

1329
01:47:18,602 --> 01:47:20,182
I don't care if they're related or not.

1330
01:47:20,202 --> 01:47:21,042
That's not right.

1331
01:47:21,062 --> 01:47:24,022
And I'm like, what the hell kind of family do you live in, lady?

1332
01:47:24,042 --> 01:47:28,722
You know, I mean, I think, you know, they should be able to train themselves.

1333
01:47:28,962 --> 01:47:30,142
And hell, I'm from the south.

1334
01:47:31,262 --> 01:47:34,022
But people be talking.

1335
01:47:34,182 --> 01:47:37,042
Colonel Sanders said, you know, our family knows how to behave.

1336
01:47:37,062 --> 01:47:43,782
I like the radio stuff for some reason.

1337
01:47:43,802 --> 01:47:48,902
It's a real small thing in this movie, but he almost becomes like an urban legend over the radio.

1338
01:47:48,922 --> 01:47:51,442
I like that tip and how it continues.

1339
01:47:52,262 --> 01:47:59,622
Even after the end of the film, you hear people calling in, going, my friend says he's, you know, I think my friend is the cat.

1340
01:47:59,642 --> 01:48:00,702
Well, clearly he's not.

1341
01:48:01,702 --> 01:48:06,542
You know, he has become this character completely separate.

1342
01:48:06,982 --> 01:48:11,642
And this radio character now lives on its own, basically.

1343
01:48:11,962 --> 01:48:13,282
And, you know, I kind of like that.

1344
01:48:14,742 --> 01:48:16,142
The kills were kind of cool.

1345
01:48:16,162 --> 01:48:21,142
You saw that orange-ish red blood, that Romero blood that I love so much, you know.

1346
01:48:23,262 --> 01:48:23,662
True.

1347
01:48:24,722 --> 01:48:26,662
I think he played his role pretty well.

1348
01:48:26,682 --> 01:48:29,102
You had your title character, Martin, you know.

1349
01:48:29,102 --> 01:48:32,622
Like I said, I didn't like it so much when I was younger, but I can see more now.

1350
01:48:34,482 --> 01:48:44,442
When he finally got some of the sexy stuff, all the stuff before, it almost seemed like sexual release, like not masturbation, but not like masturbation, you know.

1351
01:48:44,822 --> 01:48:50,942
Because once he started getting some of the sexy stuff, he didn't think about it as much, but he still had it on the brain.

1352
01:48:50,962 --> 01:48:58,302
It's kind of hard to kick that habit, I guess, to go out and kill people and drink the blood once you keep doing it, I guess.

1353
01:48:58,322 --> 01:49:11,462
I've had that experience myself, you know, but so in a way, I think Martin's more of a sociopath than a vampire because he's got that mentality that he needs to do this, and the only way he can live truly is to do this.

1354
01:49:12,582 --> 01:49:15,942
Of course, his uncle knows he's up to, I keep saying his uncle, he's so old.

1355
01:49:16,362 --> 01:49:17,762
His cousin knows he's up to something.

1356
01:49:17,782 --> 01:49:18,642
I know, I do it too.

1357
01:49:20,502 --> 01:49:33,742
His cousin knows he's up to something because he's always suspectful of him, even at the time where Martin dons a cape and makeup and fake teeth to spook him, I guess.

1358
01:49:33,762 --> 01:49:42,962
Finally, the vampire, Nosferatu has come out, that kind of deal, and he's just fucking with him for whatever reason, he's just fucking with him.

1359
01:49:48,182 --> 01:49:50,622
Oh, God, there's so much to like about this film.

1360
01:49:51,142 --> 01:49:52,742
Oh, George Romero cameo.

1361
01:49:55,322 --> 01:49:57,922
Brian actually is the one who nailed that one.

1362
01:49:57,942 --> 01:50:07,742
He plays the priest, and he doesn't have his beard, which threw me off, and Brian was like, cameo!

1363
01:50:07,762 --> 01:50:10,062
I was like, where?

1364
01:50:10,742 --> 01:50:12,242
And he's like, George Romero!

1365
01:50:12,262 --> 01:50:13,582
And I was like, oh, shit!

1366
01:50:13,982 --> 01:50:25,742
And then I started watching him, and you can definitely recognize him through his affectations, and the way he gestures and the way he talks.

1367
01:50:25,762 --> 01:50:29,422
It clearly was him, but it completely threw me off at first.

1368
01:50:30,642 --> 01:50:32,802
Was he talking with his hands a lot?

1369
01:50:33,342 --> 01:50:33,642
Yes.

1370
01:50:33,762 --> 01:50:35,022
Because Romero talked to his hands a lot.

1371
01:50:35,042 --> 01:50:37,502
At one point he was sitting in a chair, and he had a cigarette in his hand.

1372
01:50:38,062 --> 01:50:45,222
And that right there, and the way he was holding that cigarette, it was all very Romero.

1373
01:50:45,262 --> 01:50:56,722
But it's just that he was so young, and I was looking for Dawn of the Dead Romero, like the beginning of Dawn of the Dead, how he looks in the TV studio.

1374
01:50:57,042 --> 01:50:58,682
With Christine, yes.

1375
01:50:58,702 --> 01:51:00,062
That's what I was looking for.

1376
01:51:00,682 --> 01:51:06,502
And it's just a couple years before that, but the beard makes all the difference.

1377
01:51:06,862 --> 01:51:07,682
Yes, indeed.

1378
01:51:07,702 --> 01:51:13,542
All in all, you guys said a lot about the film, and all that rings true with me too.

1379
01:51:14,982 --> 01:51:17,842
You can analyze this, you can psychoanalyze it any way you want to.

1380
01:51:17,982 --> 01:51:25,902
It's not your traditional vampire film, but I like it more at 34 than I did when I was 14.

1381
01:51:25,922 --> 01:51:27,602
So there you go, people.

1382
01:51:27,882 --> 01:51:29,622
It takes time to grow on you.

1383
01:51:30,102 --> 01:51:34,482
If you want to dive in, there's a pretty good-looking copy on YouTube to watch.

1384
01:51:34,502 --> 01:51:35,402
That's where I watched it at.

1385
01:51:35,422 --> 01:51:36,822
So go check it out.

1386
01:51:36,842 --> 01:51:37,942
You got nothing to lose.

1387
01:51:39,062 --> 01:51:43,622
We watched the Arrow release of it, which was really nice.

1388
01:51:43,642 --> 01:51:45,682
That was a beautiful, beautiful copy.

1389
01:51:48,422 --> 01:51:48,822
Great.

1390
01:51:49,282 --> 01:51:52,642
I guess we'll shoot in the ratings now, 1 through 10.

1391
01:51:52,782 --> 01:51:54,002
Brian, what do you give it, sir?

1392
01:51:56,122 --> 01:51:58,762
1 through 10, I'm going to give it 8.

1393
01:52:00,022 --> 01:52:01,682
Solidly, solidly good.

1394
01:52:02,802 --> 01:52:03,202
Great.

1395
01:52:04,422 --> 01:52:04,842
Jamie?

1396
01:52:05,622 --> 01:52:07,002
I'm going to have to mirror that.

1397
01:52:07,882 --> 01:52:11,442
With the 888?

1398
01:52:11,582 --> 01:52:23,042
Be myself, at 14, it would have been like a 4, but now it's like a 7.5, so it showed up there pretty good to me, so close to an 8, but not quite an 8, you know.

1399
01:52:24,622 --> 01:52:29,662
But yeah, I will give it all 8, so I'm great on a curve, I guess you want to call it, but I'm at a 7.5.

1400
01:52:31,042 --> 01:52:31,722
There you go.

1401
01:52:31,862 --> 01:52:35,162
I'd like to thank you, Brian, for being here, and Jamie, for showing up to this.

1402
01:52:35,182 --> 01:52:36,102
I appreciate that, too.

1403
01:52:39,022 --> 01:52:41,922
It's always fun when the code shows up, let me tell you.

1404
01:52:41,942 --> 01:52:42,922
She's a busy gal, though.

1405
01:52:44,942 --> 01:52:59,722
And now after messages from two mics, being Mike Merriman and Mike Murphy, and one Duncan McLeish, you will hear our interview with John Amplas, elusive member of the Romero camp, right after those messages.

1406
01:53:00,782 --> 01:53:01,382
Stay tuned.

1407
01:53:01,742 --> 01:53:02,142
Bye bye.

1408
01:53:11,995 --> 01:53:16,055
Hello, Gary and everyone else joining Gary on this third anniversary show.

1409
01:53:16,075 --> 01:53:20,435
First off, I will say congratulations on hitting that three-year mark.

1410
01:53:20,455 --> 01:53:28,015
Not a whole lot of podcasters do that, so I'm breaking out a beer and having a drink for your third-year anniversary.

1411
01:53:28,595 --> 01:53:38,775
So Gary messaged me and asked me if I'd like to contribute a little something to this episode, and he's asking for three greatest film beefs.

1412
01:53:39,075 --> 01:53:39,955
Where do I begin?

1413
01:53:40,015 --> 01:53:52,975
Oh, boy, we cover films that generally are swept under the rug on my podcast, so I'm going to kind of use that to cite some film beefs.

1414
01:53:53,455 --> 01:53:55,215
First off would be Badasses.

1415
01:53:56,035 --> 01:54:07,675
One of my biggest beefs in the so-called action genre is that Fred Williamson and George Eastman aren't in every single action film ever made.

1416
01:54:08,135 --> 01:54:17,995
I have huge issues with that simply because I want to see these guys not necessarily together, although that would certainly add a lot to the film, but I want to see them in every.

1417
01:54:18,015 --> 01:54:18,935
These guys are badasses.

1418
01:54:18,955 --> 01:54:21,775
I want to see them in every action film ever made, sadly.

1419
01:54:22,535 --> 01:54:23,495
That's not going to happen.

1420
01:54:23,655 --> 01:54:32,775
Both those guys are elder statesmen now and I don't think they're making a whole lot of movies, but enjoy those two and it's a beef I have that they're not in enough action films.

1421
01:54:34,155 --> 01:54:37,175
So my other two beefs kind of go hand in hand.

1422
01:54:37,995 --> 01:54:42,915
And one of them is what happened to all the boobs in movies, right?

1423
01:54:43,715 --> 01:54:44,675
What happened to Nudity?

1424
01:54:44,695 --> 01:54:46,475
What happened to all the exploitation films?

1425
01:54:46,495 --> 01:54:47,975
Like we used to get in the 70s.

1426
01:54:48,095 --> 01:54:54,075
Week after week, there'd be a new exploitation with plenty of boobs on display at the drive-in.

1427
01:54:54,095 --> 01:54:55,295
Then again, the drive-in's gone.

1428
01:54:55,315 --> 01:54:56,235
It's a thing of the past.

1429
01:54:56,255 --> 01:55:02,195
And that genre of film has kind of died and is nearly non-existent anymore.

1430
01:55:02,255 --> 01:55:03,855
So I got a beef with that.

1431
01:55:04,095 --> 01:55:06,835
I want to see more exploitation films with more boobs in them.

1432
01:55:07,255 --> 01:55:09,175
And the other thing is horror.

1433
01:55:09,515 --> 01:55:10,475
What happened to horror?

1434
01:55:10,795 --> 01:55:14,375
Well, not really horror per se, but like what happened?

1435
01:55:15,195 --> 01:55:17,975
Better yet, it's just scratch horror, films across the board.

1436
01:55:18,175 --> 01:55:22,055
My final beef is what the fuck happened to R-rated movies?

1437
01:55:22,835 --> 01:55:24,535
They're nearly non-existent.

1438
01:55:24,595 --> 01:55:26,595
No one wants to go see a PG-13 movie.

1439
01:55:26,615 --> 01:55:28,875
Now I'm not saying PG-13 movies can't be good.

1440
01:55:28,895 --> 01:55:35,315
Certainly there are a shit ton of good PG-13 movies, but come on, bring back the R-rated movie.

1441
01:55:35,775 --> 01:55:37,035
Let's get some nudity going.

1442
01:55:37,255 --> 01:55:39,495
Let's get some kills going in horror.

1443
01:55:39,515 --> 01:55:40,235
And don't pull away.

1444
01:55:40,255 --> 01:55:41,275
I want to see all the kills.

1445
01:55:41,295 --> 01:55:42,535
I want to see all the blood and guts.

1446
01:55:42,555 --> 01:55:43,935
I want to see more practical effects.

1447
01:55:44,195 --> 01:55:45,175
Wow, there's another beef.

1448
01:55:45,195 --> 01:55:46,455
There's no more practical effects.

1449
01:55:46,855 --> 01:55:50,495
Everything's CG, but then again, if it's done properly, it could still look good.

1450
01:55:50,595 --> 01:55:52,655
Those are my three film beefs.

1451
01:55:53,715 --> 01:55:56,875
Oh, greatest film rage quit.

1452
01:55:57,635 --> 01:55:58,615
Huh, what does that mean?

1453
01:55:59,215 --> 01:56:05,415
Does that mean like I'm watching a movie and I just say, fuck this movie and turn it off?

1454
01:56:05,915 --> 01:56:06,875
I have done that.

1455
01:56:07,215 --> 01:56:09,835
I think that would be considered a rage quit.

1456
01:56:10,995 --> 01:56:12,635
I honestly can't recall the film.

1457
01:56:12,815 --> 01:56:23,095
I've done it a few times, probably in the last two or three years, considering the show that we do, but off the top of my head, I don't recall what those films were.

1458
01:56:23,415 --> 01:56:24,895
I can tell you they were pretty bad.

1459
01:56:25,215 --> 01:56:28,655
And as you know, we cover some pretty bad films on this show that we do.

1460
01:56:29,035 --> 01:56:32,455
So for me to say to this, fuck this movie, oh, you know what movie I said that to?

1461
01:56:32,455 --> 01:56:36,075
Okay, okay, The Strange Color of Your Body's Tears.

1462
01:56:36,275 --> 01:56:38,095
I had about 20, is that it?

1463
01:56:38,255 --> 01:56:39,195
Of Your Body's Tears, yeah.

1464
01:56:39,295 --> 01:56:41,355
It's that French movie that wanted to be a giallo.

1465
01:56:41,595 --> 01:56:43,595
I had about 20 minutes left in that film.

1466
01:56:43,935 --> 01:56:45,515
And I said, fuck this movie.

1467
01:56:45,735 --> 01:56:46,555
And I walked away.

1468
01:56:46,575 --> 01:56:49,995
All right, so there's a greatest film rage quit.

1469
01:56:49,995 --> 01:56:50,935
One of them, I have a few.

1470
01:56:51,275 --> 01:56:57,215
The last question was, a film that you think shaped the way you watch films today.

1471
01:56:57,475 --> 01:56:58,295
I like this question.

1472
01:56:58,675 --> 01:56:59,695
Anything from the 70s.

1473
01:56:59,715 --> 01:57:06,335
I grew up, of course, in the 70s in the drive-ins, in the theaters and seeing just tons of exploitation films.

1474
01:57:06,735 --> 01:57:08,375
I was young then.

1475
01:57:08,595 --> 01:57:16,955
So as I started to get older and in the 80s, late 80s and early 90s, where we all got the VHS bug and we were all at the stores every day renting movies.

1476
01:57:17,995 --> 01:57:25,215
I have to tell you, as a series of films from Andy Sedaris, there are all these action oriented nudie movies.

1477
01:57:25,715 --> 01:57:36,415
Those films, those string of films like Malibu Express, Hard to Get to Hawaii, Hard to Die, all those films sort of shape the way I watch and view movies today.

1478
01:57:36,435 --> 01:57:41,215
And it's just a sad thing that films like that are no longer made.

1479
01:57:41,495 --> 01:57:50,775
Anyway, check out the films of Andy Sedaris, The Girl's Guns and G-Strengths, if you're curious about women in the roles of men and men in the roles of women.

1480
01:57:51,275 --> 01:57:54,635
He really flip flops that genre and turns it upside down.

1481
01:57:54,655 --> 01:57:56,135
And there's a lot of fun to be had there.

1482
01:57:56,235 --> 01:58:01,675
All right, well, I know I've gone way too long here, Gary, and the rest of the gang, congratulations on three years.

1483
01:58:02,375 --> 01:58:06,035
Hope to send another voicemail again in another three years.

1484
01:58:06,195 --> 01:58:07,075
You guys have a good show.

1485
01:58:07,115 --> 01:58:07,495
Bye-bye.

1486
01:58:08,795 --> 01:58:10,435
I'll move on when I feel like it.

1487
01:58:11,215 --> 01:58:13,415
You always got the goddamn message.

1488
01:58:15,155 --> 01:58:16,055
Hello, Gary.

1489
01:58:16,315 --> 01:58:23,315
It's Mike in Horror TV land, wishing you a happy three years of the Cinema Beef Podcast.

1490
01:58:24,575 --> 01:58:27,335
You asked a few questions for us to answer.

1491
01:58:28,395 --> 01:58:29,295
So here we go.

1492
01:58:30,795 --> 01:58:32,695
My three greatest film beefs.

1493
01:58:34,275 --> 01:58:40,275
Well, for starters, I am gonna be one of those people that still complain about goddamn remakes.

1494
01:58:42,115 --> 01:58:48,115
I guess you could say I've softened my stance over the years from outright hate to just general disinterest.

1495
01:58:49,715 --> 01:58:55,435
If a particular remake, reboot, whatever the hell happens to catch my attention, yeah, maybe I'll give it a look.

1496
01:58:55,935 --> 01:58:58,515
But in general, I just don't care.

1497
01:58:59,715 --> 01:59:01,175
So that's one of them.

1498
01:59:02,995 --> 01:59:09,595
Another film beef of mine, how the fuck did Titanic win best picture over LA Confidential?

1499
01:59:09,995 --> 01:59:12,055
I'll never let that one go.

1500
01:59:12,575 --> 01:59:16,135
And I don't even really care that much about the Oscars, so go figure.

1501
01:59:16,795 --> 01:59:26,495
And I guess another one of mine would be what the hell is people's problems with subtitles?

1502
01:59:27,195 --> 01:59:28,575
I just don't understand.

1503
01:59:28,955 --> 01:59:36,155
Because as bad as most dubbing is, it turns almost every foreign movie into an unintentional comedy.

1504
01:59:36,795 --> 01:59:41,975
Learn to love the subtitles, people, for the sake of the movie.

1505
01:59:43,895 --> 01:59:44,915
Your next question.

1506
01:59:46,135 --> 01:59:47,555
Your greatest film rage quit.

1507
01:59:49,215 --> 01:59:55,915
Well, this is actually an interesting one, because my greatest film rage quit.

1508
01:59:55,935 --> 01:59:59,815
Now, I'm notorious for not really quitting on movies, especially movies I see in the theater.

1509
01:59:59,835 --> 02:00:02,295
I don't think I've actually ever walked out of a movie in the theater.

1510
02:00:02,735 --> 02:00:04,035
I've fallen asleep before.

1511
02:00:05,395 --> 02:00:11,215
I've been disinterested plenty, but I've actually never got out or got up and walked out.

1512
02:00:11,975 --> 02:00:13,395
But I have quit on movies at home.

1513
02:00:14,155 --> 02:00:20,275
And one of my earliest memories of doing this is for a movie that I actually love the hell out of now.

1514
02:00:20,635 --> 02:00:22,575
And I have loved it for a long time.

1515
02:00:23,315 --> 02:00:28,415
But back when I was a kid and I picked up this movie, I had no idea what I was in for.

1516
02:00:28,435 --> 02:00:34,495
I don't even like to call myself a child of the 80s because I was born in 80.

1517
02:00:35,935 --> 02:00:48,575
So I guess growing up somewhat from the mid 80s on, probably more late 80s to where I could actually seek out movies.

1518
02:00:50,815 --> 02:01:02,535
I've told this many times on my show and other shows, but because it's kind of my age group and I find out a lot of podcasters are kind of in this age group, I grew up in the era of the sequel.

1519
02:01:03,155 --> 02:01:08,695
A lot of the classics I actually saw the sequels to first before the original.

1520
02:01:10,315 --> 02:01:18,775
A lot of that's due to watching most of my movies, courtesy of the video store, where a lot of the originals were always rented out.

1521
02:01:19,375 --> 02:01:28,655
Back in the day, most of the little video stores had one copy of all the movies, so you really had no recourse but to wait.

1522
02:01:29,455 --> 02:01:37,855
So I picked up a little movie that is called Halloween III Season of the Witch.

1523
02:01:39,955 --> 02:01:47,615
Now, you gotta remember, this is probably either really, really the 80s or early 90s.

1524
02:01:47,755 --> 02:01:50,195
There was no internet, no wiki, no IMDB.

1525
02:01:50,395 --> 02:01:55,055
I probably just ignored reading the box.

1526
02:01:55,075 --> 02:02:02,575
I'm sure somewhat of the plot was on the back of the box, but all I knew about Halloween was Michael Myers.

1527
02:02:03,295 --> 02:02:06,815
So you can imagine as a kid, you know, I'm going through all of them.

1528
02:02:07,715 --> 02:02:09,295
Let's see what part three is all about.

1529
02:02:09,315 --> 02:02:11,955
About a half hour in, there's no damn Michael Myers.

1530
02:02:13,715 --> 02:02:14,835
And I was just pissed off.

1531
02:02:14,935 --> 02:02:16,295
There's these things with the mask.

1532
02:02:16,315 --> 02:02:17,275
What the hell is going on?

1533
02:02:17,295 --> 02:02:20,435
I was so pissed.

1534
02:02:21,155 --> 02:02:23,375
I couldn't look past that at that age.

1535
02:02:23,475 --> 02:02:26,375
I was just so angry about it.

1536
02:02:26,735 --> 02:02:38,235
So I turned the movie off, put it back in the case, and probably didn't watch it again for a good handful of years.

1537
02:02:39,715 --> 02:02:45,215
And of course, the very next time I saw it, I really kind of liked it, and I've loved it ever since.

1538
02:02:45,235 --> 02:02:54,075
But it's just a funny memory of mine, how much I was pissed off and hated it and wanted nothing to do with it the very first time I watched it or half watched it.

1539
02:02:54,855 --> 02:02:56,115
And then your last question.

1540
02:02:56,115 --> 02:02:57,095
Let's get to this one.

1541
02:02:57,875 --> 02:03:03,015
What film shaped the way you watch films today?

1542
02:03:03,035 --> 02:03:19,875
Well, I guess you could almost say Halloween III because it taught me a lesson to give things a chance or maybe read the plot on the back of the box before I put the movie in or before I even rent it.

1543
02:03:19,895 --> 02:03:29,315
But I want to say Rosemary's Baby because that was probably my first horror movie watch.

1544
02:03:29,335 --> 02:03:33,575
That was a long running time, a really slow burn, a slow developing plot.

1545
02:03:34,915 --> 02:03:49,475
And seeing it relatively young, it was a real change from the kind of stuff younger kids, even younger teens, teenagers tend to watch is like the 90 minute, everything's quick, get to it type style.

1546
02:03:50,055 --> 02:04:02,695
So Rosemary's Baby really taught me that to enjoy, I mean, as long as the film is good and you're entertained, that two hour running, two hour plus running times can be a good thing.

1547
02:04:03,415 --> 02:04:08,335
So, yeah, that is that.

1548
02:04:08,735 --> 02:04:15,695
So, once again, congratulations on hitting three years.

1549
02:04:16,755 --> 02:04:29,055
It's quite of accomplishment and you've been releasing a lot of episodes, Rapid Fire Lately, which has been providing me a lot to listen to at work, which is a good thing, because I'd much rather listen to Cinema Beef than the people around me.

1550
02:04:31,295 --> 02:04:35,015
So, here's to three more years of the beef.

1551
02:05:05,277 --> 02:05:06,757
Well, hello, Cinema Beef.

1552
02:05:07,677 --> 02:05:15,717
This is Duncan McLeish from the Podcast Under the Stairs, and a little birdie tells me that it's someone's third year anniversary.

1553
02:05:16,417 --> 02:05:24,377
Now, to most people, three years in any aspect of life, a job, a marriage, a child's age, is not pivotal.

1554
02:05:24,837 --> 02:05:26,677
It's just another number.

1555
02:05:27,177 --> 02:05:30,677
But in the world of podcasting, three years is an important number.

1556
02:05:31,177 --> 02:05:37,297
I mean, how many shows do we know that have come up and disappeared in those three years?

1557
02:05:38,077 --> 02:05:40,077
Chances are that number's quite high.

1558
02:05:40,797 --> 02:05:52,157
Podcasting is a discipline that demands time, enthusiasm, effort and attention for, in most cases, zero pay.

1559
02:05:52,817 --> 02:06:00,357
And you put a little bit of yourself out in each show, very much like an artist painting a picture, and it's out there for the world to criticise.

1560
02:06:00,417 --> 02:06:03,077
And guess what the world likes to criticise?

1561
02:06:03,717 --> 02:06:15,537
I can say of all the shows that I listen to, Cinema Beef is one of the most unique, weirdly wacky and interesting shows that have ever graced my podcast library.

1562
02:06:15,877 --> 02:06:32,977
I mean, it's a show that picks random links between movies, sometimes less random, but most of the time quite random, and compiles them all in, and really gives you an interesting listen, which covers the huge spectrum of what cinema is.

1563
02:06:32,977 --> 02:06:52,117
Point of fact, my very first appearance as a guest on a podcast, which predates the podcast under the stairs, so it was when I was still doing music and movie podcasts, I hadn't made the transition to horror podcasting, was actually Cinema Beef, and it was with the fantastic Gary Hill.

1564
02:06:52,637 --> 02:06:55,737
I made another appearance on Cinema Beef after that.

1565
02:06:56,037 --> 02:07:17,837
I was joined by the incomparable Jesse and the fantastic Corey, and we looked at zombie movies, zombie comedies, and it was pretty fucking awesome sitting up to what I believe was about half four, five o'clock my time in the morning, chatting with you guys over a few drinks and just having an absolute blast.

1566
02:07:18,157 --> 02:07:22,877
And that ultimately is the experience I've had every single time I've been on Cinema Beef.

1567
02:07:23,357 --> 02:07:30,597
It's a true joy to sit and just shoot the shit and talk about movies, concentrating on sometimes the most absurd aspects of cinema.

1568
02:07:30,857 --> 02:07:45,637
And at the same time, really delving into kind of overlooked performances by actors that sometimes don't get the credit they deserve, or even filmmakers who are not the first names spring to mind when talking about the great utters of cinema.

1569
02:07:46,417 --> 02:07:48,197
So yeah, this is huge.

1570
02:07:48,437 --> 02:07:53,017
Three years is massive, and the show has went from strength to strength.

1571
02:07:53,037 --> 02:08:04,977
Yes, you've had different hosts that have sat in for a while, but I genuinely believe the current incarnation with the fantastic Jamie Jenkins and the absolutely wonderful Jeff X.

1572
02:08:04,997 --> 02:08:08,877
Martin is the best combination of cinema beef there has ever been.

1573
02:08:09,757 --> 02:08:17,877
So three years is huge, and it shouldn't be undersold by anyone, and I just wanted to spend a bit of time congratulating you.

1574
02:08:18,377 --> 02:08:19,637
Now, you gave me some homework.

1575
02:08:19,757 --> 02:08:31,557
I hate homework, but you put me on the spot and asked me to contribute three answers to three questions that you've posed to everyone who is recording a message for your show.

1576
02:08:31,737 --> 02:08:35,277
The first thing you asked me to do was my three greatest film beefs.

1577
02:08:35,657 --> 02:08:41,737
Now, when I asked you tonight, the night of this recording, what that actually meant, didn't mean movies that I don't like.

1578
02:08:41,757 --> 02:08:43,317
You said, well, it could be movies or tropes.

1579
02:08:43,737 --> 02:08:46,677
Apparently, a lot of people are focusing on tropes.

1580
02:08:47,337 --> 02:08:51,317
I don't like to do things by half measures, so I've decided to do three films.

1581
02:08:52,017 --> 02:08:58,557
And if you don't already have hate mail against your show, my three films are likely to do it.

1582
02:08:58,577 --> 02:09:02,757
So the first one is actually a movie we discussed on my very first appearance.

1583
02:09:03,057 --> 02:09:07,137
It's Ridley Scott's Gladiator, which is a movie I don't like.

1584
02:09:07,937 --> 02:09:12,037
I think as Roman epics go, it's pretty boring.

1585
02:09:12,737 --> 02:09:15,097
I don't think the CGI is all that great.

1586
02:09:15,557 --> 02:09:20,157
I think Russell Crowe is about as wooden as Wood gets.

1587
02:09:20,177 --> 02:09:25,417
I think Joaquin Phoenix looks like he's constantly about to cry in the movie.

1588
02:09:25,837 --> 02:09:28,757
I just don't feel anything about it at all.

1589
02:09:28,777 --> 02:09:35,257
I think that's his biggest crime is that I should be swept up in a father's revenge and I just don't feel anything when watching it.

1590
02:09:35,277 --> 02:09:37,277
So it kind of fails for me.

1591
02:09:37,297 --> 02:09:43,257
If you haven't already had hate mail for that one, allow me to up the ante with my second movie, Top Gun.

1592
02:09:44,077 --> 02:09:45,437
I really don't like Top Gun.

1593
02:09:46,237 --> 02:09:59,137
I know there's a huge kick for the nostalgic performances in the 1980s of Tom Cruise, but to me, Tom Cruise doesn't really hit his stride until much later on in his career.

1594
02:10:00,777 --> 02:10:04,417
People will say it's got fighter jets, it's got a bitchin soundtrack.

1595
02:10:04,857 --> 02:10:06,097
This is the movie you should watch.

1596
02:10:06,117 --> 02:10:15,477
And I would counter by saying watch Iron Eagle, which is an infinitely more fun, better movie, which has a better soundtrack and still has fighter planes.

1597
02:10:15,497 --> 02:10:21,497
I mean, these kids learned to fly fighter planes in less than a week and saved their dad who's been captured in Afghanistan or Iraq.

1598
02:10:21,517 --> 02:10:22,617
I can't remember which country it is.

1599
02:10:22,957 --> 02:10:25,177
Infinitely better movie, so fuck Top Gun.

1600
02:10:25,457 --> 02:10:31,417
The third movie, and this one certainly will have people skipping ahead to the next message, is The Wrestler.

1601
02:10:31,477 --> 02:10:33,017
Don't like The Wrestler, don't get it.

1602
02:10:33,337 --> 02:10:34,817
Doesn't do anything for me at all.

1603
02:10:34,817 --> 02:10:37,917
Don't think Mickey Rourke is all that great in it.

1604
02:10:38,277 --> 02:10:47,657
And maybe it's because the subject matter is lost on me, not coming from a country that has the rich heritage of professional wrestling, as you guys do over in the States.

1605
02:10:48,077 --> 02:10:50,537
But it's just a tedious movie for me.

1606
02:10:51,017 --> 02:10:52,777
I find my interest waning in the middle.

1607
02:10:53,197 --> 02:10:55,917
And it is further proof that I am indeed dead inside.

1608
02:10:55,937 --> 02:10:58,557
No tears, no tears at the end of that movie.

1609
02:10:58,637 --> 02:11:05,897
You asked me for a second question, a film Rage Quit, a movie that I quit watching in Rage.

1610
02:11:06,617 --> 02:11:08,657
And truth be told, that list is tiny.

1611
02:11:08,717 --> 02:11:13,597
There are very few movies that I've ever switched off, I think.

1612
02:11:14,797 --> 02:11:17,977
And most of them I've had to re-watch for shows that I've recorded.

1613
02:11:18,537 --> 02:11:29,797
And that is very much the case with this one I'm about to mention, which is a Serbian film, which is a movie that gets a lot of notoriety for reasons that are beyond me.

1614
02:11:30,417 --> 02:11:34,697
I believe it's because the baby rape scene in it is so horrific.

1615
02:11:35,017 --> 02:11:43,997
And not that I want to make light of baby rape scenes, but it's so badly shot and so obviously fake, the impact is pretty much not there.

1616
02:11:44,777 --> 02:11:52,777
It's a movie which is sold as something which is politically motivated, and it's clearly just an exploitation movie, and it isn't a very good one at that.

1617
02:11:52,797 --> 02:11:54,477
It's pretty to look at, but that's about it.

1618
02:11:55,117 --> 02:12:04,397
Now you asked me as a final question about a film that shaped the way that I watch cinema, and truth be told, I couldn't just pick one, I have to pick two.

1619
02:12:04,877 --> 02:12:13,677
So the first one, and this is academic, I mean, we're about the same age, and I'm surprised if this one wouldn't make your list, is Big Trouble in Little China by John Carpenter.

1620
02:12:14,217 --> 02:12:20,457
It gives us one of the greatest kind of anti-heroes, or useless heroes in cinema history in Jack Burton.

1621
02:12:20,917 --> 02:12:22,737
Fantastic performance by Kurt Russell.

1622
02:12:22,957 --> 02:12:27,817
But the soundtrack's awesome, the special effects, whilst cheesy I think still hold up.

1623
02:12:28,237 --> 02:12:32,697
It's got not the greatest martial arts in the world, but back then that martial arts was pretty bitchin.

1624
02:12:33,057 --> 02:12:37,877
I think the story's great, I just think the cast, I just think the whole movie is actually flawless.

1625
02:12:38,437 --> 02:12:47,257
Gary, the one that I really want to talk about is one that genuinely shaped the way I look at cinema, and that is Terry Gillingham's Time Bandits.

1626
02:12:48,037 --> 02:13:01,177
Time Bandits I saw when it came out, along with such films as The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, really kind of solidified the idea for me that cinema could be multi-faceted.

1627
02:13:01,477 --> 02:13:10,177
It can be comedic, it can be adventurous, it can be fantastical, it can be dark, and Time Bandits gets dark.

1628
02:13:10,617 --> 02:13:15,617
And the end of that movie, one of the darkest ends to a kids movie in cinema history.

1629
02:13:15,777 --> 02:13:17,477
Thank you very much, Terry Gillingham.

1630
02:13:19,397 --> 02:13:20,437
I think it's incredible.

1631
02:13:20,577 --> 02:13:22,317
I think the performances are great in it.

1632
02:13:22,337 --> 02:13:23,997
I think David Warner is evil.

1633
02:13:24,657 --> 02:13:28,017
So it doesn't surprise me that he is evil in the movie.

1634
02:13:28,137 --> 02:13:30,437
And it has a fellow countryman, The Great.

1635
02:13:31,997 --> 02:13:33,297
I say great loosely.

1636
02:13:33,537 --> 02:13:37,477
Sean Connery, who is playing Alexander the Great in this movie.

1637
02:13:38,097 --> 02:13:41,317
And I bet you didn't know Alexander the Great was Scottish, but apparently he is.

1638
02:13:41,777 --> 02:13:45,657
So yeah, Time Bandits is the pick for me.

1639
02:13:46,117 --> 02:13:52,497
This message has ran long, but I believe it just kind of solidifies how much love and respect I have for your show.

1640
02:13:52,857 --> 02:13:56,237
Congratulations again for reaching the milestone of three years.

1641
02:13:56,337 --> 02:14:03,477
I can't wait to come back on your show very, very soon to bring some beef to your grinder.

1642
02:14:04,217 --> 02:14:08,917
That sounds a lot filthier than it did in my head or on the bit of paper I wrote it down.

1643
02:14:08,937 --> 02:14:10,417
Congratulations again, guys.

1644
02:14:10,717 --> 02:14:11,757
Speak to you all soon.

1645
02:14:12,857 --> 02:14:14,197
Now welcome to the program.

1646
02:14:15,517 --> 02:14:21,777
One of the great actors and workers in what I call the Romero camp, Mr.

1647
02:14:21,797 --> 02:14:22,437
John Amplas.

1648
02:14:22,557 --> 02:14:22,857
Mr.

1649
02:14:22,877 --> 02:14:23,957
John Amplas, how are you doing, sir?

1650
02:14:24,417 --> 02:14:25,297
I'm doing great.

1651
02:14:25,317 --> 02:14:26,157
Thank you so much.

1652
02:14:26,797 --> 02:14:27,317
Oh, man.

1653
02:14:27,377 --> 02:14:31,037
The first question to ask really is how you got in the business, really?

1654
02:14:31,057 --> 02:14:32,377
That's the first question, really.

1655
02:14:33,097 --> 02:14:35,597
Well, I've been in theater my entire life.

1656
02:14:35,617 --> 02:14:36,677
That's how I started.

1657
02:14:37,177 --> 02:14:44,257
I'm still working in theater, but I started doing plays when I was around 10 years old.

1658
02:14:44,657 --> 02:14:47,457
So I spent most of my life in the theater.

1659
02:14:49,017 --> 02:14:53,177
But George and I met my last year in college.

1660
02:14:54,377 --> 02:14:55,697
He saw me in a play.

1661
02:14:56,677 --> 02:15:11,517
He had a script for a new film, but the role of, the lead role of Martin was written with an older character in mind.

1662
02:15:11,957 --> 02:15:18,297
But for whatever reason, he saw when he saw the play, he decided to kind of rewrite it.

1663
02:15:18,717 --> 02:15:24,937
And then a couple of months later, he came back and asked me if I wanted to do it.

1664
02:15:25,297 --> 02:15:29,517
When that's how I got in contact with George for Martin.

1665
02:15:29,777 --> 02:15:31,837
Which play was it that he was so impressed by?

1666
02:15:33,077 --> 02:15:38,657
I don't know if he was so impressed by the play as much as hopefully he was impressed by me.

1667
02:15:39,937 --> 02:15:43,437
But it was a play called, it was a play called Philemon.

1668
02:15:44,417 --> 02:15:53,417
It was the same people that wrote the long, off-Broadway running play called Fantastics.

1669
02:15:54,617 --> 02:15:58,757
So Martin was your first big film role, I guess you would call it?

1670
02:15:58,837 --> 02:16:00,597
Yeah, yeah, primarily.

1671
02:16:00,777 --> 02:16:01,597
Yes, it was.

1672
02:16:02,057 --> 02:16:04,017
How did everything come about with that?

1673
02:16:05,097 --> 02:16:09,177
This is primarily what we did, we covered Martin as a review.

1674
02:16:10,277 --> 02:16:12,357
Just tell us a little about the production and stuff.

1675
02:16:12,817 --> 02:16:13,717
About Martin?

1676
02:16:13,797 --> 02:16:14,997
About Martin, yeah.

1677
02:16:15,457 --> 02:16:16,417
Yeah, sure.

1678
02:16:18,377 --> 02:16:22,177
Martin was shot in 1976.

1679
02:16:22,717 --> 02:16:24,117
I was 27.

1680
02:16:25,957 --> 02:16:31,317
Martin is about a vampire, or he might be a vampire.

1681
02:16:36,677 --> 02:16:42,037
Well I would have assumed you had known the film.

1682
02:16:42,117 --> 02:16:43,137
Yeah, we know the plot.

1683
02:16:43,417 --> 02:16:44,057
We know it.

1684
02:16:46,517 --> 02:16:57,297
I gave it a revisit because when I saw it when I was 13, I didn't like it so much, but I'm 34 now and I get a lot more of what's going on in the film basically.

1685
02:16:57,817 --> 02:17:00,117
Well I hope so, gee whiz.

1686
02:17:00,517 --> 02:17:10,677
Yeah, but anyway, I shot it in 76 and that was my first outing with Romero.

1687
02:17:10,757 --> 02:17:15,737
And it was, Savini was his first outing with Romero as well.

1688
02:17:16,097 --> 02:17:18,257
Did he work with the makeups in that movie at all or no?

1689
02:17:18,837 --> 02:17:22,917
Yeah, he did all of the special effects stuff and he had a role in it.

1690
02:17:23,217 --> 02:17:25,797
Yeah, my mustache-less Tom Savini in that movie.

1691
02:17:26,077 --> 02:17:31,397
That's correct, yes, that's right, in his youth, in his younger days.

1692
02:17:32,297 --> 02:17:37,377
Yeah, you say you're 27 when they filmed it, but you look much, much younger in that movie.

1693
02:17:38,037 --> 02:17:40,877
Yeah, I looked about 18, 17.

1694
02:17:41,237 --> 02:17:45,797
Especially aside from your Colonel Sanders looking cousin in that movie.

1695
02:17:46,737 --> 02:17:51,937
That's right, that's right, Tala Cuda, Lincoln Miscell.

1696
02:17:52,797 --> 02:18:04,097
Lincoln, interestingly enough, passed away a few years ago, but he lived to be 106 years old.

1697
02:18:04,477 --> 02:18:05,017
Wow.

1698
02:18:05,597 --> 02:18:06,557
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1699
02:18:06,857 --> 02:18:07,757
He was a heavy guy.

1700
02:18:07,777 --> 02:18:09,457
I was surprised that he lived that long.

1701
02:18:09,477 --> 02:18:12,377
Yeah, he was incredible.

1702
02:18:13,697 --> 02:18:16,637
He was in his late 70s, I guess, when we shot it.

1703
02:18:17,817 --> 02:18:23,317
So yeah, he passed away about five or six years ago, I think.

1704
02:18:23,617 --> 02:18:25,837
What was it like making the jump from theater to the film?

1705
02:18:26,317 --> 02:18:27,477
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear that.

1706
02:18:27,577 --> 02:18:29,857
What was it like making the jump from theater to film?

1707
02:18:30,757 --> 02:18:33,817
You know, surprisingly enough, there's not a hell of a lot of difference.

1708
02:18:40,877 --> 02:18:44,517
Other than in film, you have the opportunity to do it again sometimes.

1709
02:18:45,617 --> 02:18:53,357
In theater, you have to do the whole damn thing all at once.

1710
02:18:53,917 --> 02:18:56,197
But you know, it wasn't that big of a change.

1711
02:18:58,277 --> 02:19:13,457
Acting is acting, there are certainly some technical aspects in the medium of film that have to be taken into account in that you don't always shoot in sequence.

1712
02:19:14,157 --> 02:19:19,897
But preparation and understanding the story is pretty much the same.

1713
02:19:22,857 --> 02:19:28,297
So, I never had any major problem doing a play and then doing a movie.

1714
02:19:30,137 --> 02:19:32,297
They work pretty much the same in my mind.

1715
02:19:32,637 --> 02:19:35,197
They work a lot on these films, even behind the scenes.

1716
02:19:36,517 --> 02:19:38,977
What was your experience?

1717
02:19:38,997 --> 02:19:40,637
What was my favorite?

1718
02:19:40,737 --> 02:19:41,637
How can I forget this one?

1719
02:19:41,657 --> 02:19:42,697
Oh yeah, Dawn of the Dead.

1720
02:19:42,717 --> 02:19:43,737
What was it like working on.

1721
02:19:49,377 --> 02:19:58,377
Dawn of the Dead, yeah, I did some casting and also was thrown into it as an actor in a short little role at the beginning.

1722
02:19:58,437 --> 02:20:11,897
But yeah, primarily I did some casting and mostly that was about gathering a lot of the zombies and the living dead creatures that we were using for that.

1723
02:20:11,917 --> 02:20:26,337
But a couple of the major actors, I helped a little bit with getting David NB involved and Joe Pallotto had a small role in that and got him involved.

1724
02:20:26,357 --> 02:20:46,297
But primarily, I just after shooting Martin, Martin was in 76 and so I think we shot Dawn in 78, I just wanted to be around and I was lucky enough to talk to George and stick around for another movie.

1725
02:20:46,317 --> 02:20:52,997
And then it became, I would get a role in the next movie and the next.

1726
02:20:53,877 --> 02:21:01,437
So I was lucky enough to do like five, six films with George all told between 76 and about 93.

1727
02:21:01,817 --> 02:21:02,997
Yeah, that's awesome.

1728
02:21:03,437 --> 02:21:04,597
Yeah, it is.

1729
02:21:04,737 --> 02:21:10,717
Besides Dawn, you know, my favorite probably of your work and I love Martin now, but I don't love it like you.

1730
02:21:11,177 --> 02:21:14,957
I don't love it like I love Creepshow and then Creepshow is so special.

1731
02:21:16,017 --> 02:21:16,797
Oh, sure.

1732
02:21:16,817 --> 02:21:18,717
You were the zombie Nathan, right?

1733
02:21:19,217 --> 02:21:20,157
That's correct.

1734
02:21:20,157 --> 02:21:20,917
Yes, sir.

1735
02:21:20,937 --> 02:21:21,637
I was.

1736
02:21:22,697 --> 02:21:23,237
I was.

1737
02:21:23,257 --> 02:21:25,037
What was the experience like working on Creepshow?

1738
02:21:25,837 --> 02:21:26,497
Very good.

1739
02:21:27,277 --> 02:21:28,297
Yeah, terrific.

1740
02:21:30,857 --> 02:21:37,377
Tom Savini gave me a call when they were when they had begun getting ready to begin shooting.

1741
02:21:38,497 --> 02:21:44,617
They needed they needed an actor to play this what I call dead mate character.

1742
02:21:46,697 --> 02:21:50,797
And I was probably about 40 or 50 pounds lighter at the time.

1743
02:21:51,237 --> 02:22:01,617
So they needed somebody that could fit into this suit that Savini was devising and still look fairly emaciated.

1744
02:22:01,637 --> 02:22:16,137
And so he called me in and put me under plaster for a week and made then worked on the special effects makeup and the mask and the gloves and the suit for about a month.

1745
02:22:16,157 --> 02:22:18,337
And then I came back and shot for a week.

1746
02:22:20,717 --> 02:22:29,017
Got to talk and meet with Stephen King and worked again with some terrific actors.

1747
02:22:30,017 --> 02:22:37,677
Carrie and I, who finally allowed me to have her cake, yeah.

1748
02:22:38,057 --> 02:22:49,917
And Vivica Linfers, Ed Harris again, who also was in Knight Riders, which was Knight Riders was Ed's first feature film.

1749
02:22:49,937 --> 02:22:52,077
Oh, I forgot to mention Knight Riders, I'm sorry, you know.

1750
02:22:52,517 --> 02:22:53,717
Yeah, that's okay.

1751
02:22:54,057 --> 02:22:54,557
I did.

1752
02:22:59,217 --> 02:23:01,217
So yeah, I had a great experience.

1753
02:23:01,237 --> 02:23:04,277
I've had a great experience all the way through.

1754
02:23:04,757 --> 02:23:08,137
I've never had a bad day on the set with an In-N-Out film.

1755
02:23:08,337 --> 02:23:15,597
Now, did you work with the thing in the Crate Fluffy, he's named, were you like working with that thing too at Knight Riders?

1756
02:23:16,097 --> 02:23:18,717
No, I was only in the first episode.

1757
02:23:19,117 --> 02:23:19,657
Oh, okay.

1758
02:23:19,677 --> 02:23:21,177
I thought that was Father's Day.

1759
02:23:21,197 --> 02:23:21,337
Yeah.

1760
02:23:21,357 --> 02:23:22,957
I thought I read that somewhere.

1761
02:23:23,477 --> 02:23:24,917
No, there's another actor.

1762
02:23:24,937 --> 02:23:37,397
There is another actor of his name, Escapes Me Right Now, who was actually working as Tom's assistant, I think, on the film.

1763
02:23:38,757 --> 02:23:45,297
But god damn it, I was just, I just saw him not too long ago, a few months ago.

1764
02:23:45,417 --> 02:23:55,437
Daryl, is it Daryl Furnucci, something like that, who played the creature in The Crate.

1765
02:23:56,297 --> 02:23:58,377
I always thought it was you.

1766
02:23:58,397 --> 02:24:01,157
I was like, convention pictures, like, okay.

1767
02:24:01,177 --> 02:24:03,597
No, that wasn't me.

1768
02:24:03,657 --> 02:24:14,997
I'm the guy, I'm the guy that comes up out of the grave and kills Ed Harris and Vivica Limpers and ultimately Carrie Nye.

1769
02:24:15,017 --> 02:24:20,017
You're woken up by Jack Daniels, I think, I think, you know, old Nathan needed a drink, I think.

1770
02:24:20,857 --> 02:24:22,237
Yeah, that's right.

1771
02:24:24,597 --> 02:24:25,437
Oh, that's right.

1772
02:24:25,637 --> 02:24:30,377
In confession time, you know, to this day, I have a buddy who did the very first episode of the show with me.

1773
02:24:30,397 --> 02:24:36,837
I still try to bring him a cake every Father's Day just because of that, that, that, that movie and that, that second.

1774
02:24:36,857 --> 02:24:37,497
Yes, indeed.

1775
02:24:38,337 --> 02:24:38,817
Oh yeah.

1776
02:24:39,417 --> 02:24:40,517
Oh yeah.

1777
02:24:40,537 --> 02:24:43,297
It's not a severed head, but it's still a nice afterthought, see?

1778
02:24:44,057 --> 02:24:45,277
It's a, it's a right.

1779
02:24:45,297 --> 02:24:46,577
It's a crowd favorite.

1780
02:24:47,857 --> 02:24:52,657
I think that a lot of folks and myself included like Day of the Dead a little bit better.

1781
02:24:53,937 --> 02:24:55,637
What was it like working on that one, sir?

1782
02:24:56,117 --> 02:24:57,277
I love Day of the Dead.

1783
02:24:57,637 --> 02:24:58,077
Yeah.

1784
02:24:58,177 --> 02:25:03,337
And you know, it's, I, I like it a little more than I, than Dawn as well.

1785
02:25:04,077 --> 02:25:10,457
I know there are a couple, there are two factions out there, the Dawn people and the Day people.

1786
02:25:10,897 --> 02:25:17,697
In fact, I had, I had another interview this morning, actually, with someone.

1787
02:25:17,977 --> 02:25:21,657
And he was a Dawn of the Dead guy.

1788
02:25:21,677 --> 02:25:26,717
And so, and now I'm talking to a Day of the Dead guy.

1789
02:25:26,737 --> 02:25:28,157
Well, I could like both.

1790
02:25:28,177 --> 02:25:29,717
I mean, I do, I do love both.

1791
02:25:29,737 --> 02:25:33,297
He's just, Dawn's a little more, a little more obscure than Day is, you know.

1792
02:25:33,317 --> 02:25:37,097
I mean, the other way around, Day's a little more obscure than Dawn is.

1793
02:25:37,717 --> 02:25:39,637
Yes, it is a little bit.

1794
02:25:39,697 --> 02:25:43,877
But I like Day because it's a little more honest, I think.

1795
02:25:43,897 --> 02:25:53,357
You know, for me, Dawn is, it's kind of a comic book style.

1796
02:25:53,357 --> 02:26:01,397
And Day is a little more honest and visceral and realistic in many ways.

1797
02:26:02,237 --> 02:26:07,817
Both certainly address, you know, the cultural and political issues of the time.

1798
02:26:09,637 --> 02:26:20,277
George is still able to make his thematic expression clear.

1799
02:26:21,197 --> 02:26:25,177
But for me, I'm more of a fan of Day.

1800
02:26:25,617 --> 02:26:32,937
I think Day also had, you know, overall, I think the acting was stronger.

1801
02:26:35,397 --> 02:26:38,557
Not that the acting wasn't appropriate in Dawn.

1802
02:26:38,617 --> 02:26:40,357
I mean, I love all those guys, too.

1803
02:26:40,837 --> 02:26:49,997
But I think it was just a little more realistic, and I love the visceral effects of Day.

1804
02:26:50,097 --> 02:26:56,117
That last half an hour is still some of the best zombie characters I've ever captured on.

1805
02:26:56,217 --> 02:26:56,837
Oh, absolutely.

1806
02:26:57,337 --> 02:26:57,777
Absolutely.

1807
02:27:00,377 --> 02:27:14,817
In fact, that's where, oh, gee, my mind's going blank, What's-His-Name, who is one of the, who is, his company runs a special effects for The Walking Dead music producer on The Walking Dead.

1808
02:27:14,837 --> 02:27:15,657
Gregory Nicotero.

1809
02:27:16,197 --> 02:27:17,257
Yeah, there you go.

1810
02:27:17,277 --> 02:27:18,057
Now we're talking.

1811
02:27:18,437 --> 02:27:18,897
Greg.

1812
02:27:19,297 --> 02:27:25,717
Yeah, he started on, he started on Dead, working on those effects with Savini.

1813
02:27:26,117 --> 02:27:27,977
That's a good, it's a good school to go to, see?

1814
02:27:28,557 --> 02:27:30,977
Yeah, it sure is.

1815
02:27:31,337 --> 02:27:33,017
How close did you work with Howard Sherman?

1816
02:27:33,037 --> 02:27:36,237
Cause he's always everybody's favorite, you know, the zombie with a name.

1817
02:27:36,837 --> 02:27:40,677
I think I, I just, I was just at a convention with Howard.

1818
02:27:41,557 --> 02:27:43,857
We said we were sitting next to each other.

1819
02:27:43,997 --> 02:27:58,637
So on set, I didn't, you know, Howard, Howard's work was primarily by himself a good deal of the time, but we were always kind of observing Howard.

1820
02:27:58,657 --> 02:28:04,697
You know, Richard Liberty had the opportunities to, you know, to have communication with him.

1821
02:28:05,737 --> 02:28:08,457
The rest of us just had the opportunity to watch.

1822
02:28:09,017 --> 02:28:18,857
I think Howard Sherman's performance as Bob ranks among the top horror performances of all time.

1823
02:28:20,177 --> 02:28:25,417
You know, he created a character as good as Karloff did with Frankenstein.

1824
02:28:25,697 --> 02:28:27,197
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly.

1825
02:28:28,177 --> 02:28:28,517
Yeah.

1826
02:28:28,657 --> 02:28:30,057
I was able to sit there.

1827
02:28:30,297 --> 02:28:35,457
In fact, my first day of shooting was in that laboratory.

1828
02:28:36,437 --> 02:28:41,937
And I sat for, I would sit for hours watching him work.

1829
02:28:42,997 --> 02:28:44,237
I thought it was amazing.

1830
02:28:45,337 --> 02:28:46,817
And Howard's a really good guy.

1831
02:28:46,837 --> 02:28:50,437
I mean, he's down to a terrific, terrific guy.

1832
02:28:50,897 --> 02:28:54,737
I've heard some great Joe, oh God, Captain Rowe.

1833
02:28:54,757 --> 02:28:55,337
Pilato?

1834
02:28:55,357 --> 02:28:56,037
Yeah, Pilato.

1835
02:28:56,057 --> 02:28:59,597
He's heard some great Pilato stories, like he's as crazy as he seems on screen.

1836
02:29:00,757 --> 02:29:05,117
Well, I don't want to tell when he tells out of school.

1837
02:29:05,217 --> 02:29:14,817
So you know, Joe is somebody that commits to everything he does, whether it's on screen or off screen.

1838
02:29:15,717 --> 02:29:17,937
He's a fully committed kind of guy.

1839
02:29:19,417 --> 02:29:31,417
But you know, his over the top performance just matched the strength of that movie and kind of required it, you know.

1840
02:29:32,677 --> 02:29:39,477
He was somebody that you really had to contend with and he made sure that happened.

1841
02:29:40,197 --> 02:29:41,837
He got into that role pretty well, man.

1842
02:29:41,957 --> 02:29:44,717
He was a he was running that guy at Monkey Farm.

1843
02:29:46,497 --> 02:29:47,457
He sure was.

1844
02:29:47,817 --> 02:30:04,437
You know, another person that I really appreciated, of course, was Laura Carbill, who as far as I know, was really the first strong female heroine in a horror film.

1845
02:30:04,837 --> 02:30:06,657
I mean, she was not a scream queen.

1846
02:30:07,317 --> 02:30:20,277
She took charge and she made things happen and she's the first female in that position that I know of in a horror film.

1847
02:30:20,577 --> 02:30:25,397
Yeah, her and Sigourney Weaver in Alien, but you know, that's just me talking stuff, you know.

1848
02:30:25,457 --> 02:30:25,817
Right.

1849
02:30:26,237 --> 02:30:27,417
No, but that's true.

1850
02:30:27,437 --> 02:30:28,197
No, no.

1851
02:30:28,217 --> 02:30:30,057
I mean, Sigourney Weaver, of course.

1852
02:30:34,317 --> 02:30:40,437
But I mean, at the time, Laurie was first in the first one to really make that happen.

1853
02:30:40,597 --> 02:30:44,657
Of course, that all, all of it comes from George's script.

1854
02:30:44,857 --> 02:30:51,517
So it was George's thought to have a female lead like that.

1855
02:30:52,797 --> 02:30:54,597
His script was cut down quite a bit though.

1856
02:30:54,617 --> 02:31:02,177
I had asked him once at convention, like, if you had the budget now, would you redo it with your full script that you wanted to do?

1857
02:31:02,857 --> 02:31:03,237
Yeah.

1858
02:31:03,317 --> 02:31:03,997
What'd he say?

1859
02:31:04,137 --> 02:31:05,557
He really didn't have a good answer.

1860
02:31:05,657 --> 02:31:10,697
Like basically, like he made the movie already and like moving on that kind of deal and.

1861
02:31:12,777 --> 02:31:14,277
I think he got whatever.

1862
02:31:14,297 --> 02:31:17,157
I think he got everything out of it that he needed to.

1863
02:31:17,537 --> 02:31:22,557
Oh, I got no complaints, you know, but I know the script was substantially longer than it was on screen.

1864
02:31:23,857 --> 02:31:28,297
And I'm sure and for budgetary reasons was was changed.

1865
02:31:28,637 --> 02:31:28,977
Mm hmm.

1866
02:31:29,557 --> 02:31:30,117
Oh, man.

1867
02:31:30,437 --> 02:31:31,597
So you do a lot of conventions.

1868
02:31:31,617 --> 02:31:32,877
I've never seen you went on my way.

1869
02:31:33,017 --> 02:31:35,577
I'm in Chicagoland here and I'm waiting.

1870
02:31:35,577 --> 02:31:37,677
I keep wanting to get to Chicago.

1871
02:31:38,337 --> 02:31:39,857
I'm waiting for you to come.

1872
02:31:39,877 --> 02:31:43,957
The Days of the Dead is coming to Chicago again soon, isn't it?

1873
02:31:44,097 --> 02:31:44,857
This November.

1874
02:31:44,877 --> 02:31:45,137
Yes.

1875
02:31:48,777 --> 02:31:52,817
And I just did The Days of the Dead in Indiana.

1876
02:31:54,077 --> 02:32:00,057
And I keep talking to Bill Philpott and saying come on, get me to Chicago.

1877
02:32:00,077 --> 02:32:01,517
Oh, yeah, it would be good stuff.

1878
02:32:01,577 --> 02:32:08,717
I've met everybody, like not everybody, but I've met a lot of people in the Romero camp, including George himself and his wife Christine.

1879
02:32:08,737 --> 02:32:10,457
It's always a great experience.

1880
02:32:10,557 --> 02:32:14,797
You know, yeah, well, you know, we're a family.

1881
02:32:18,117 --> 02:32:28,897
So many of us have worked on the same films and have had, you know, multiple outings with George.

1882
02:32:30,277 --> 02:32:33,117
And that's true of how George runs a set, too.

1883
02:32:33,517 --> 02:32:36,157
You know, it's a family affair.

1884
02:32:36,877 --> 02:32:45,317
I mean, he's used in those days, he was using the same exact crew from film to film to film.

1885
02:32:45,317 --> 02:33:06,057
I mean, I did six movies with George and worked with the same and worked with the same grips and gaffers and all of that, you know, we were back in the late 70s and the 80s, we were a repertory company.

1886
02:33:06,077 --> 02:33:08,397
That Laurel Company, they were working a lot, huh?

1887
02:33:11,177 --> 02:33:16,317
We all knew each other and maybe that helped too, making these movies.

1888
02:33:16,537 --> 02:33:18,377
Did you ever get to work on Tales from the Dark Side?

1889
02:33:18,937 --> 02:33:19,477
What's that?

1890
02:33:19,657 --> 02:33:21,537
Did you ever get to work on Tales from the Dark Side?

1891
02:33:21,557 --> 02:33:22,877
No, I didn't.

1892
02:33:22,897 --> 02:33:23,377
Uh-uh.

1893
02:33:23,797 --> 02:33:25,357
Yeah, I was just curious.

1894
02:33:25,377 --> 02:33:29,357
There's so many episodes of those, I thought maybe you had your hand in a couple of them, you know.

1895
02:33:29,917 --> 02:33:31,897
No, I didn't have my hand in any of those.

1896
02:33:31,917 --> 02:33:39,997
But I, all through this time, I mean, in 82, I started teaching, so, and I'm still teaching.

1897
02:33:40,017 --> 02:33:43,557
I teach acting and directing for Point Park University.

1898
02:33:43,657 --> 02:33:45,717
We work out of the 5th Street Playhouse.

1899
02:33:46,077 --> 02:33:51,517
And so, I was acting on stage at the same time I was doing a lot of these movies.

1900
02:33:53,217 --> 02:33:54,917
Yeah, I was just talking to Scott Reininger.

1901
02:33:54,937 --> 02:33:57,637
He was telling me that he, that's what he does now.

1902
02:33:57,657 --> 02:33:59,657
He teaches kids how to act.

1903
02:34:00,297 --> 02:34:00,617
Yeah.

1904
02:34:00,957 --> 02:34:05,317
Yeah, I've been teaching since 1982, so I have 34 years in.

1905
02:34:05,717 --> 02:34:14,177
I got to meet him at the last, it was a 24-hour horror fest, and it was a long night, and he was there signing autographs and stuff.

1906
02:34:14,637 --> 02:34:15,477
He's terrific.

1907
02:34:15,497 --> 02:34:18,037
Scott's a great guy, really good guy.

1908
02:34:18,457 --> 02:34:24,317
And we, many of us worked together in New York, too, not on stage or in film.

1909
02:34:25,777 --> 02:34:35,537
We all worked at the same restaurant, bartending and waiting at Lady Astor's, across from the Public Theater in New York.

1910
02:34:35,957 --> 02:34:41,337
So Scottie was there when I was there, and David MD was there when I was there.

1911
02:34:41,797 --> 02:34:45,457
So we all kind of knew each other in New York, too.

1912
02:34:45,857 --> 02:34:47,837
That's great to have that connection.

1913
02:34:49,997 --> 02:34:56,597
If there's anything else you want to push, anything going on, do you want to plug or you can go and do that now, if you'd like to?

1914
02:34:57,197 --> 02:35:04,337
Well, I don't have anything really going on at the moment.

1915
02:35:04,337 --> 02:35:10,397
I finished directing the play, so I do a lot still in the theater.

1916
02:35:11,117 --> 02:35:13,457
Not so much on film these days.

1917
02:35:14,757 --> 02:35:22,097
I have a 17-year-old son that I keep after and try to make sure he's living a good life.

1918
02:35:22,497 --> 02:35:25,257
So that's primarily my focus these days.

1919
02:35:25,577 --> 02:35:26,337
Well, that's great.

1920
02:35:26,657 --> 02:35:27,537
I'm sorry.

1921
02:35:28,417 --> 02:35:29,237
That's okay.

1922
02:35:29,257 --> 02:35:33,917
And I do a convention here in America, two or three conventions.

1923
02:35:34,077 --> 02:35:36,617
Next time I'm out, we'll be in Syracuse.

1924
02:35:38,077 --> 02:35:43,497
There's a film festival in Syracuse in April that I'm going to be a part of.

1925
02:35:43,517 --> 02:35:47,617
They're showing Martin as one of the films.

1926
02:35:48,157 --> 02:35:50,137
And so that'll be my next appearance.

1927
02:35:50,437 --> 02:35:51,077
That's great.

1928
02:35:51,297 --> 02:35:53,497
Unless you can get me in.

1929
02:35:53,517 --> 02:35:58,337
Unless you can talk to Bill Philpott to get me in to Daisy's Dead in Chicago.

1930
02:35:59,197 --> 02:36:00,777
That's a touchy subject.

1931
02:36:06,637 --> 02:36:08,337
I'll talk about that off the air.

1932
02:36:08,357 --> 02:36:12,197
I think it's great that you live in Pittsburgh.

1933
02:36:12,217 --> 02:36:17,017
That's a great, great son of Pittsburgh, though I guess you would call it.

1934
02:36:17,257 --> 02:36:17,997
I hear Mr.

1935
02:36:18,017 --> 02:36:19,997
Tom Atkins does Scrooge every year.

1936
02:36:20,017 --> 02:36:21,597
I'd love to go to make it out to Pittsburgh.

1937
02:36:22,957 --> 02:36:29,957
They're ramping up to get ready to start that again very soon.

1938
02:36:30,457 --> 02:36:31,577
I would love to come and see that.

1939
02:36:34,717 --> 02:36:36,357
But with that, I'd like to thank you, Mr.

1940
02:36:36,377 --> 02:36:42,157
Amplas, for giving us this time and telling us some good stories and stuff.

1941
02:36:42,177 --> 02:36:43,077
I really appreciate it.

1942
02:36:43,637 --> 02:36:51,877
Well, I don't know how good they were, but I'm always happy to talk to Romero fans.

1943
02:36:52,197 --> 02:36:55,617
Well, I go to a lot of conventions myself and you get to meet your heroes.

1944
02:36:55,697 --> 02:37:06,057
That's something special in itself, but to have time to sit down and talk to one of them for 20 minutes or so, just you and that person is really special.

1945
02:37:09,997 --> 02:37:14,297
The fans is really what keeps all these movies alive.

1946
02:37:15,857 --> 02:37:20,197
I'm really appreciative of all the horror fans are the best fans in the world.

1947
02:37:20,597 --> 02:37:21,277
Oh, I agree.

1948
02:37:21,677 --> 02:37:26,817
But with that, I'll leave you and say thanks again and have a lovely night, sir.

1949
02:37:27,577 --> 02:37:28,297
Okay, Gary.

1950
02:37:28,317 --> 02:37:28,717
Take good care.

1951
02:37:28,797 --> 02:37:29,857
All right.

1952
02:42:14,073 --> 02:42:19,393
And now, for messages from the gentleman's guide to Minute Cinema's own, Will Smith.

1953
02:42:19,613 --> 02:42:20,753
That guy's pretty awesome.

1954
02:42:20,933 --> 02:42:22,073
All these guys are pretty awesome.

1955
02:42:22,833 --> 02:42:31,493
Graveship Radio's Ryan Lewis, and Banana Laser, Skeleton Crew, and the Exploding Heads, and the ABCs of Hidden Horror.

1956
02:42:31,513 --> 02:42:33,033
That's a big resume, guys.

1957
02:42:33,333 --> 02:42:33,653
Mr.

1958
02:42:33,673 --> 02:42:35,753
Dave Zandano, right now.

1959
02:42:35,773 --> 02:42:38,873
Hey, what's up, Cinema Beefers?

1960
02:42:39,113 --> 02:42:40,633
It's William here.

1961
02:42:40,653 --> 02:42:42,073
I'm just calling in.

1962
02:42:43,093 --> 02:42:47,733
At the request of good friend Gary, forgive the audio quality of this recording.

1963
02:42:47,753 --> 02:42:52,853
I'm recording it from a Bluetooth headset in my driveway in my truck.

1964
02:42:53,453 --> 02:43:01,233
I've just finished a long shift at work, and I wanted to do it before I went in my house, and I have two young kids, and I would have immediately forgotten.

1965
02:43:01,253 --> 02:43:05,093
I wanted to talk about a few things.

1966
02:43:06,073 --> 02:43:24,753
Firstly, greatest film, Rage Quit, which I interpret, of course, to mean films I've just either turned off or walked out of in Rage, and these aren't going to be the most creative or deep-cut answers, but the two that come to mind the most for me are one from, I guess, probably my high school years.

1967
02:43:24,773 --> 02:43:27,073
I want to say it was Scream 3.

1968
02:43:27,093 --> 02:43:28,713
I believe it was Scream 3.

1969
02:43:28,733 --> 02:43:29,553
I was in the aisles.

1970
02:43:30,793 --> 02:43:42,853
In the aisles, I was sitting in my seat, and there's a reveal towards the back end, and the final girl eludes the antagonist.

1971
02:43:43,753 --> 02:43:47,453
And at that point, I was very furious with the way it had gone.

1972
02:43:47,473 --> 02:44:10,353
I had seen so many horror movies, certainly, and I should have expected it, but for a series of films that had prided itself to some degree on deconstructing the genre, I thought it would have been a great way to turn it on its ear by having the final girl be a killer or by having her not be the final girl, which has been done, I guess, some ways in passing the torch in a series, but I was kind of furious about the weird road they took.

1973
02:44:10,393 --> 02:44:12,613
I guess at that point, it is the law of diminishing returns.

1974
02:44:12,633 --> 02:44:13,513
I should have expected that.

1975
02:44:14,073 --> 02:44:17,633
Second is a Swedish film called Apon or Ape in English.

1976
02:44:19,593 --> 02:44:36,753
More of an art film than anything, but it's kind of transgressive art film, which to me has kind of replaced a lot of the standard horror that I see or I start to see more melding of art and transgression in cinema and sort of channeling out horror through those two things.

1977
02:44:36,933 --> 02:44:40,033
But it's a film that it opens at a furious kind of pace.

1978
02:44:40,333 --> 02:44:41,393
You don't know what's happening.

1979
02:44:41,413 --> 02:44:42,453
It's very disorienting.

1980
02:44:43,093 --> 02:44:53,173
The principal character is frantically trying to do something and you're piecing together as the film goes on the grave situation he's in in his personal life.

1981
02:44:54,673 --> 02:45:04,593
Towards the end of the film, I was at the Toronto Film Festival, I let out an audible groan and I said, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

1982
02:45:05,053 --> 02:45:09,313
And in hindsight, that was kind of a poor reaction.

1983
02:45:09,333 --> 02:45:12,073
And it's a film that I've often wrestled with wanting to revisit.

1984
02:45:12,553 --> 02:45:15,333
In fact, I'd love to revisit because I don't think I gave it maybe a fair shake.

1985
02:45:15,353 --> 02:45:19,893
And that's me bringing my own expectations to it or perceived or preconceived notions.

1986
02:45:21,693 --> 02:45:26,193
Three film beefs, I guess one of the big beefs I have is, you know, I grew up a horror fan.

1987
02:45:26,213 --> 02:45:32,873
That's why I've become a fan of world cinema and an art house and everything around the world that revolves on film.

1988
02:45:33,413 --> 02:45:37,373
Its seed was planted with horror in the 80s, being a child of the 80s.

1989
02:45:37,733 --> 02:45:40,953
But I hate lazy, cash in horror.

1990
02:45:42,513 --> 02:45:44,093
Film in general needs fresh ideas.

1991
02:45:44,113 --> 02:45:45,293
Horror needs fresh ideas.

1992
02:45:46,053 --> 02:45:49,373
And I really hate lazy, cash ins in films.

1993
02:45:50,113 --> 02:45:53,873
And to piggyback on that, I hate laziness.

1994
02:45:53,893 --> 02:45:55,533
I hate playing it safe and being...

1995
02:45:55,553 --> 02:46:13,513
I know, you know, you have to make your money back as a studio, but I think the system that's in place, there's room for $10 million films or $5 million films or $2 million films to be released through VOD and to take more risks and ultimately reward the viewers that much more.

1996
02:46:14,213 --> 02:46:17,833
You know, I just think that it doesn't happen enough in film nowadays.

1997
02:46:17,853 --> 02:46:23,093
It's boom or bust, you know, if everyone wants to chase the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

1998
02:46:23,653 --> 02:46:30,813
And the third beef I have is the remake cycle, which kind of ties in with not playing it safe from a studio perspective.

1999
02:46:30,833 --> 02:46:43,053
But I get it, you know, the things a remake and myriad of films are remakes or reimaginings, rejiggings, reinterpretations, reboots, whatever you want to call it, however you want to cut the pie.

2000
02:46:43,433 --> 02:46:53,633
But the frequency with which we've seen these has become very tiresome, to the point that I've almost taken a stance where I just don't watch them anymore and teach their own.

2001
02:46:53,673 --> 02:47:10,433
But it's a beef I have that when there's so many wonderful original scripts out there, there are so many other pieces of source material that could be adapted wonderfully in an age when it's limitless what you can do.

2002
02:47:10,673 --> 02:47:17,833
I mean, we couldn't have the films we have today 30 years ago because of the technology being so far behind where it is now.

2003
02:47:17,853 --> 02:47:21,313
But you can do a lot more with a lot less these days.

2004
02:47:21,353 --> 02:47:32,073
And if Nicholas Weining Refn can make a film for $7 million or $5 million and take him or leave him, Robert Rodriguez can make a film for miniscule numbers compared to some of the tent pole films every year.

2005
02:47:32,093 --> 02:47:33,993
I think there's something to be said for that.

2006
02:47:34,013 --> 02:47:41,073
In terms of a film that's shaped the way I watch films today, there's so many bricks in that wall.

2007
02:47:42,853 --> 02:48:07,173
But I think when I started to look at film more as a medium that could really astound me, and neither one of these are deep cuts, but there's sort of very, very vanilla answers, but it's Godfather and Citizen Kane, both of which when I'd seen them, I was really floored at how perfect the medium could be and what it means to kind of fire on all cylinders from a cinematic perspective.

2008
02:48:07,553 --> 02:48:39,333
I've seen many films that maybe I wouldn't score as technically perfect, like The Devils, Santa Sangre, you know, a number of films that move me immensely, but when I saw those two films, Fritz Lang's M, just really astounded me to the point that the medium could do so much and could really, it's a perfect melding of sound and image, emotion, and these things all put together really help me to appreciate the way I look at film and what I want from film.

2009
02:48:40,133 --> 02:48:40,693
That's it.

2010
02:48:41,073 --> 02:48:42,253
I hope everyone's well.

2011
02:48:43,113 --> 02:48:49,753
Gary, as always, thank you for graciously asking me for my two cents, or in this case my ten cents.

2012
02:48:49,773 --> 02:48:59,733
I do tend to ramble and be long winded and make a short story long, as it were, but thank you once again, and I hope everyone's doing well, listeners, etc.

2013
02:49:00,413 --> 02:49:02,833
Have a good night, everyone, and as always, adios.

2014
02:49:03,893 --> 02:49:05,993
Happy third anniversary.

2015
02:49:06,013 --> 02:49:08,773
It is amazing how time flies.

2016
02:49:09,253 --> 02:49:12,513
And I hope for many, many more.

2017
02:49:13,473 --> 02:49:18,953
This is Ryan Lewis from Graveship Radio, and I just wanted to leave a message about my beefs.

2018
02:49:19,433 --> 02:49:21,173
And here we go.

2019
02:49:22,313 --> 02:49:29,933
Before I get into my beefs, I want to talk about the film that I feel has shaped the way that I look at films today.

2020
02:49:30,033 --> 02:49:32,273
And for me, that has to be Star Wars.

2021
02:49:32,533 --> 02:49:49,393
I watched Star Wars, and from the very young age that I originally saw that film and its follow-ups, as the most eye-opening day of my existence, to this day, I'm a five-year-old child watching Star Wars.

2022
02:49:49,513 --> 02:49:53,233
And every film that came after it, basically I judged by it.

2023
02:49:53,253 --> 02:49:56,553
And sure, there's been better films in different genres.

2024
02:49:56,573 --> 02:50:01,113
There's been Oscar-worthy films that have affected society.

2025
02:50:01,133 --> 02:50:14,953
But for me, Star Wars is the film that literally made me who I am today, and basically the freakish loser that I am now that is obsessed with Star Wars.

2026
02:50:14,973 --> 02:50:17,053
And that will never go away thanks to that film.

2027
02:50:18,033 --> 02:50:21,333
Now, three biggest film beefs.

2028
02:50:21,933 --> 02:50:26,113
That's a tough one for me, because I am an incredibly accepting person.

2029
02:50:26,353 --> 02:50:36,973
I think to myself that film is a work of art, even bad films, and when I watch a film, I try to look at the effort that somebody put into something.

2030
02:50:36,993 --> 02:50:43,413
So I don't generally see things as, oh, I got such a problem with this film.

2031
02:50:43,513 --> 02:50:55,833
But there are some films that no matter how much I try to look on the positive side, I cannot think of anything extremely positive to say about them.

2032
02:50:56,553 --> 02:50:59,613
One of which would be Batman and Robin.

2033
02:51:00,413 --> 02:51:07,253
I've actually been on Cinema Beef before, and I hashed it out with Gary about Batman and Robin and how much I think this is a horrible film.

2034
02:51:07,273 --> 02:51:09,973
And I can't stress enough, this is a horrible film.

2035
02:51:10,373 --> 02:51:14,813
This film is so bad, it completely destroyed the Batman franchise.

2036
02:51:14,833 --> 02:51:23,433
And I'm a huge Batman 89 and Batman Returns fan, and this film just destroyed every bit of effort that was put into that series.

2037
02:51:23,453 --> 02:51:28,633
And for that, I will never forgive that film, so that is a huge beef of mine.

2038
02:51:29,273 --> 02:51:35,393
Secondly, I'd have to say, how about the Nightmare on Elm Street reboot?

2039
02:51:36,033 --> 02:51:42,833
There's many people that I've met since that shockingly love this film, and I just don't understand it.

2040
02:51:42,853 --> 02:51:43,553
I don't get it.

2041
02:51:44,413 --> 02:51:49,993
To me, it betrays everything that Nightmare on Elm Street is about, so that's beef number two.

2042
02:51:50,773 --> 02:52:01,513
Now, beef number three is the same thing as the movie that pissed me off so much that I couldn't finish it in the theaters.

2043
02:52:02,593 --> 02:52:05,713
And I'm going to preface this with a story.

2044
02:52:06,393 --> 02:52:14,193
One time my brother, my little brother, my younger brother, he took a movie when he came to visit my house that I love.

2045
02:52:14,213 --> 02:52:15,513
He took Event Horizon.

2046
02:52:15,933 --> 02:52:17,873
Now I love Event Horizon.

2047
02:52:17,913 --> 02:52:23,533
It's just this wonderful, you know, creepy, bad ass film that I love.

2048
02:52:23,693 --> 02:52:25,473
And to this day, I still love this film.

2049
02:52:25,493 --> 02:52:26,273
Well, he took it.

2050
02:52:26,413 --> 02:52:29,333
He took it and I had no idea where it went.

2051
02:52:29,353 --> 02:52:34,933
And I went to visit him and inside I found the case of my film, but it was empty.

2052
02:52:34,953 --> 02:52:35,893
I asked him about it.

2053
02:52:35,913 --> 02:52:40,013
He said, dude, I'm sorry, it's gone, but I'll make it up to you.

2054
02:52:40,293 --> 02:52:43,653
And I said, OK, OK, how are you going to make it up to me?

2055
02:52:43,693 --> 02:52:47,593
And he gave me this film that I have.

2056
02:52:47,613 --> 02:52:53,093
And I kept it pretty much as a reminder about how horrible film could be.

2057
02:52:53,833 --> 02:52:57,473
And that film is House of the Dead.

2058
02:52:58,133 --> 02:53:03,093
Oh my God, this film is disgustingly horrible.

2059
02:53:03,173 --> 02:53:05,833
I hate this film more than I could possibly say.

2060
02:53:05,853 --> 02:53:10,993
And I generally don't hate much of anything, but I hate this film.

2061
02:53:11,473 --> 02:53:14,813
I went to see it when it came out in theaters because it was based off a video game.

2062
02:53:14,833 --> 02:53:17,173
And oh, we got zombies and dead things walking around.

2063
02:53:17,193 --> 02:53:19,073
So of course, how am I not going to like it?

2064
02:53:19,093 --> 02:53:22,113
Shit, it even has the girl from Halloween 4 in it.

2065
02:53:22,393 --> 02:53:24,973
So you never know, I might like this film.

2066
02:53:25,293 --> 02:53:27,293
I could not make it halfway through.

2067
02:53:27,313 --> 02:53:32,653
I walked out and I vowed to never watch this film again because of how bad it is.

2068
02:53:32,873 --> 02:53:36,353
But thanks to my brother stealing from me, I own a copy of it.

2069
02:53:36,413 --> 02:53:38,733
And I finished watching it just to see the rest.

2070
02:53:38,813 --> 02:53:41,153
And damn it, I was right about that movie.

2071
02:53:41,273 --> 02:53:42,433
That movie is...

2072
02:53:42,453 --> 02:53:46,073
I don't even want to get into it anymore.

2073
02:53:47,073 --> 02:53:47,913
But there you go.

2074
02:53:48,153 --> 02:53:49,213
There are my choices.

2075
02:53:49,693 --> 02:53:53,293
So happy third anniversary again, guys.

2076
02:53:53,353 --> 02:53:58,533
Gary, keep throwing them out there, man, because you are the podcasting god.

2077
02:53:59,373 --> 02:54:04,193
And Beef, it's a great show, and it always will be.

2078
02:54:05,053 --> 02:54:07,253
So have a good one, guys.

2079
02:54:07,633 --> 02:54:08,853
Hey, Cinema Beef.

2080
02:54:09,333 --> 02:54:11,093
This is your friend Dave Z here.

2081
02:54:11,453 --> 02:54:13,033
Congratulations on three years.

2082
02:54:13,493 --> 02:54:19,973
I remember the humble beginnings when Gary and I basically kind of started doing podcasting at the same time.

2083
02:54:20,293 --> 02:54:22,013
And I was on one of the early shows with you.

2084
02:54:22,293 --> 02:54:25,433
But yeah, three years, pretty cool.

2085
02:54:25,813 --> 02:54:28,333
And now you got two of the best in the game with you.

2086
02:54:29,273 --> 02:54:30,893
With Jamie, of course, and X.

2087
02:54:31,293 --> 02:54:33,033
And that's fantastic.

2088
02:54:33,053 --> 02:54:33,973
I'm enjoying the shows.

2089
02:54:34,313 --> 02:54:37,873
This is the only show I can listen to that isn't always talking about horror.

2090
02:54:38,153 --> 02:54:43,173
So that's a testament to the three of you guys being so enjoyable to listen to.

2091
02:54:43,533 --> 02:54:45,093
So congratulations.

2092
02:54:45,493 --> 02:54:47,373
And I'm going to give my three beefs.

2093
02:54:47,893 --> 02:54:51,813
Number three, the sacrament, or as I like to call it, the excrement.

2094
02:54:52,333 --> 02:55:01,853
I just don't like the fact that somebody took a real life event and turned it into a movie without crediting anybody, tried to pass it off as their own.

2095
02:55:02,413 --> 02:55:06,513
And on top of that, it was a very light version of what really happened.

2096
02:55:06,673 --> 02:55:08,733
Jamie, I know that you agree with me on this.

2097
02:55:08,793 --> 02:55:11,693
I don't know about you other guys, but the sacrament.

2098
02:55:11,933 --> 02:55:15,533
Number three, number two, Jason Goes to Hell.

2099
02:55:15,933 --> 02:55:18,333
Everybody knows I'm a big Friday the 13th fanboy.

2100
02:55:18,733 --> 02:55:23,393
I don't like what they did at all with that movie, with the body jumping, making him a worm, he can't die.

2101
02:55:23,933 --> 02:55:28,273
It's just such a departure from the humble beginnings of this series.

2102
02:55:28,473 --> 02:55:29,333
Just don't like that.

2103
02:55:29,833 --> 02:55:38,073
And number one, Halloween Colon Resurrectum, also known as Halloween Resurrection.

2104
02:55:38,313 --> 02:55:40,333
Movie should have never have happened.

2105
02:55:40,353 --> 02:55:45,033
I wasn't even a big fan of H2O, but the way it ended was fantastic.

2106
02:55:45,393 --> 02:55:48,573
So chopping off a guy's head pretty much sums it up.

2107
02:55:48,593 --> 02:55:52,153
I remember my father used to watch these movies with me, all these slashers when I was a kid.

2108
02:55:52,273 --> 02:55:56,133
And he used to always say, just chop off his fucking head, that'll end it.

2109
02:55:56,533 --> 02:55:59,433
And sure enough, it finally did happen.

2110
02:55:59,453 --> 02:56:00,733
They chopped off a villain's head.

2111
02:56:01,133 --> 02:56:04,933
And I was like, awesome, great ending to a movie, great ending to a series.

2112
02:56:05,093 --> 02:56:08,013
Then they had to make that piece of shit Resurrection.

2113
02:56:08,453 --> 02:56:10,713
And you know, the rest is history.

2114
02:56:10,733 --> 02:56:11,853
It never should have been made.

2115
02:56:11,873 --> 02:56:13,533
The Buster Rhyme stuff was ridiculous.

2116
02:56:14,053 --> 02:56:17,453
And yeah, I'm not going to go on and on, but those are my three big beefs.

2117
02:56:17,933 --> 02:56:20,613
As far as the quit, I've never watched a movie.

2118
02:56:20,973 --> 02:56:23,113
I sat down and watched a movie and quit on it.

2119
02:56:23,133 --> 02:56:24,553
I've always stayed to the end.

2120
02:56:25,813 --> 02:56:27,753
I don't know, I guess I'm patient when it comes to movies.

2121
02:56:27,913 --> 02:56:29,213
So I have not done that.

2122
02:56:29,533 --> 02:56:33,233
The only time I ever left a movie, I went to the drive-in and I saw a double feature.

2123
02:56:33,553 --> 02:56:36,933
And it was Planet, it was Grindhouse at the drive-in.

2124
02:56:36,953 --> 02:56:37,913
So both those movies.

2125
02:56:37,953 --> 02:56:39,893
And at the end, they put on Lady and the Water.

2126
02:56:40,393 --> 02:56:42,993
And after about 45 minutes, I was just bored with it.

2127
02:56:43,013 --> 02:56:45,713
And we just left because we were at a drive-in.

2128
02:56:45,733 --> 02:56:46,953
It's just easy to drive away.

2129
02:56:47,273 --> 02:56:50,313
So that's the only time I've actually quit on a movie.

2130
02:56:50,693 --> 02:56:51,853
So there you have it.

2131
02:56:52,193 --> 02:57:00,253
As far as the movie that shaped the way I watch films today, I guess I could say Natural Born Killers because it's my favorite movie.

2132
02:57:00,613 --> 02:57:05,613
And it was when I first started noticing cinematography in different aspects of film.

2133
02:57:05,913 --> 02:57:10,553
You know, I was just partying and watching it and I watched it so many times, I just started catching on to new things.

2134
02:57:10,573 --> 02:57:15,173
And now I'm kind of in the art house films and different things like that.

2135
02:57:15,613 --> 02:57:17,413
So that's the best I got.

2136
02:57:17,813 --> 02:57:19,813
Anyway, again, congratulations.

2137
02:57:20,213 --> 02:57:21,893
Three years is a pretty cool feat.

2138
02:57:21,953 --> 02:57:23,193
And here's the three more.

2139
02:57:23,593 --> 02:57:27,213
You got the beef, I got the grinder.

2140
02:57:27,753 --> 02:57:28,153
Peace.

2141
02:57:30,393 --> 02:57:33,533
Within this old house, live two residents.

2142
02:57:34,333 --> 02:57:38,433
One of them is John Russell, composer, professor.

2143
02:57:39,353 --> 02:57:42,853
The other has been dead for over 70 years.

2144
02:57:49,053 --> 02:57:51,853
Claire, I'd like to talk to you about the house.

2145
02:58:02,480 --> 02:58:03,260
How did you die?

2146
02:58:03,280 --> 02:58:09,980
Whatever it is, is trying desperately to communicate.

2147
02:58:10,280 --> 02:58:11,700
What is it in that house, Claire?

2148
02:58:11,720 --> 02:58:12,960
What is it doing?

2149
02:58:12,980 --> 02:58:13,860
Why is it trying to reach me?

2150
02:58:34,868 --> 02:58:37,348
Senator, I'm John Rusland.

2151
02:58:37,348 --> 02:58:38,488
I'm living in your house.

2152
02:58:39,188 --> 02:58:39,948
Senator, look.

2153
02:58:40,068 --> 02:58:43,708
Look, I want to, I want to show him that.

2154
02:58:44,028 --> 02:58:45,588
You got something of the senators.

2155
02:58:46,408 --> 02:58:47,168
He wants it back.

2156
02:59:07,653 --> 02:59:08,693
What is it you want?

2157
02:59:16,793 --> 02:59:24,193
Many films will frighten you, but only a few can really terrify you.

2158
02:59:38,680 --> 02:59:41,700
Hello, welcome once again to the 31 Days of Rotting Beef.

2159
02:59:42,280 --> 02:59:44,440
Hello, with me is my co-host, Jamie Jenkins.

2160
02:59:44,460 --> 02:59:45,040
How you doing, girl?

2161
02:59:45,540 --> 02:59:47,860
I am doing great, and that's two times.

2162
02:59:49,460 --> 02:59:50,100
I'm excited.

2163
02:59:50,340 --> 02:59:51,620
You're welcome to come on any of these.

2164
02:59:51,640 --> 02:59:53,680
You know that, just busy, busy, busy.

2165
02:59:55,800 --> 03:00:02,820
Yeah, I do, but I'm glad to be here when I can be, because this is fun, just little nipples, if you will.

2166
03:00:03,460 --> 03:00:04,080
Definitely.

2167
03:00:04,800 --> 03:00:08,260
And with me, as well as Brian and Sammons, how you doing, sir?

2168
03:00:08,800 --> 03:00:11,160
Yeah, pretty much where Jamie goes, I follow.

2169
03:00:12,760 --> 03:00:13,560
Does she have a lead?

2170
03:00:14,200 --> 03:00:18,260
Well, I was going to take pictures in the gym suit.

2171
03:00:18,280 --> 03:00:19,160
I'm okay with that, okay?

2172
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:22,320
And it doesn't have spikes on the collar.

2173
03:00:24,600 --> 03:00:25,980
Just a regular choke chain.

2174
03:00:27,680 --> 03:00:28,800
I choose three of the other ones.

2175
03:00:29,400 --> 03:00:32,340
Beautiful.

2176
03:00:32,340 --> 03:00:37,620
Tonight, we are doing the changeling from 1979, starting the great George C.

2177
03:00:37,640 --> 03:00:38,020
Scott.

2178
03:00:40,360 --> 03:00:43,140
Basically, the plot and the office of this, George C.

2179
03:00:43,160 --> 03:00:50,880
Scott plays a guy, a music composer slash teacher, whose wife and daughter were tragically killed in an accident.

2180
03:00:51,360 --> 03:01:00,200
This forces him to move on and move in to a creepy house, which some goings on happens in his house.

2181
03:01:00,220 --> 03:01:01,580
He starts to hear weird noises.

2182
03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:13,220
He starts to see doors opening and close, and it gets into a whole lot more deal with some soap opera conspiracies, I'll say, and intrigue, stuff like that.

2183
03:01:13,240 --> 03:01:25,540
The only other cast I've ever really recognized in this film, and I kind of feel bad about this because I'm unprepared, I guess, is Jean Marsh, who of course is the evil Queen Bavorda in Willow.

2184
03:01:25,800 --> 03:01:27,280
If you remember that movie, like I do.

2185
03:01:30,220 --> 03:01:31,620
Jamie, take the lead on this one, girl.

2186
03:01:31,640 --> 03:01:33,020
What do you like about The Changeling?

2187
03:01:34,500 --> 03:01:35,860
Oh man, everything.

2188
03:01:36,280 --> 03:01:37,840
This is, okay.

2189
03:01:37,840 --> 03:01:48,180
Brian and I frequently talk about how we miss the days when you would get a good adult horror film.

2190
03:01:48,940 --> 03:01:56,260
And that does not mean that we're downing, like a slasher, because both of us are huge slasher fans.

2191
03:01:56,760 --> 03:02:04,060
And so it doesn't mean that a film can't be silly or aimed at the youth because we love them all.

2192
03:02:04,500 --> 03:02:17,620
But this was during a time when horror was taken very seriously and you had things like The Exorcist and The Omen and this, which is a very adult film.

2193
03:02:18,440 --> 03:02:28,400
It takes all of its cues from the atmosphere, the surroundings, you have all adult characters, like George C.

2194
03:02:28,420 --> 03:02:31,740
Scott, who has gone through some severe emotional trauma.

2195
03:02:32,420 --> 03:02:35,800
And he, oh man, he does a good job here.

2196
03:02:35,820 --> 03:02:37,900
I just, I love the way he emotes.

2197
03:02:38,400 --> 03:02:46,380
To be such a surly guy and one that I, to this day, whenever I hear the name George C.

2198
03:02:46,400 --> 03:02:48,860
Scott, the first thing I think of is Patton.

2199
03:02:49,700 --> 03:02:57,400
Even though he is in several of my favorite horror films, even like Exorcist III, I think he does an excellent job there too.

2200
03:02:58,060 --> 03:03:00,380
But I always think of him as Patton.

2201
03:03:00,960 --> 03:03:12,480
And to see him awake in the morning after dreaming about his dead family and just, he's broken down in tears, it brings tears to my eyes.

2202
03:03:12,680 --> 03:03:15,060
He just really tugged at my heartstrings there.

2203
03:03:15,080 --> 03:03:21,920
And this film, I think, is genuinely creepy, scary.

2204
03:03:21,940 --> 03:03:23,280
It's also very sad.

2205
03:03:23,300 --> 03:03:24,880
It has several sad moments.

2206
03:03:26,800 --> 03:03:41,800
I don't even know, it's set in Seattle, which is wonderful because you get the constant dreary, rainy, wet feel that just is inherent to Seattle.

2207
03:03:42,460 --> 03:03:45,280
So it lends itself beautifully to a ghost film.

2208
03:03:45,540 --> 03:03:52,320
And you've got this huge gothic mansion that where everything is impossibly large.

2209
03:03:52,340 --> 03:03:55,500
I mean, these rooms are just unreasonably large.

2210
03:03:55,520 --> 03:04:02,400
There is no reason in the world this house should be this big, but it just makes it that much more ominous.

2211
03:04:02,420 --> 03:04:18,000
It sort of compounds his loneliness and his isolation and the fact that he's there all by himself and he starts hearing the pounding and have little things like a rubber ball, bouncing down the stairs or whatever.

2212
03:04:18,200 --> 03:04:23,240
Little bitty things just become that much more ominous in this particular setting.

2213
03:04:23,860 --> 03:04:25,460
So I think it's handled beautifully.

2214
03:04:25,480 --> 03:04:27,440
The direction is amazing.

2215
03:04:27,460 --> 03:04:28,800
The score is very good.

2216
03:04:28,820 --> 03:04:33,340
I paid special attention to the score when I was listening to the, when I was watching it this time.

2217
03:04:34,560 --> 03:04:37,860
And I really don't have anything bad to say.

2218
03:04:37,880 --> 03:04:39,360
There's a tight little mystery.

2219
03:04:41,440 --> 03:04:53,800
And there's a little bit of misdirection, maybe a third of the way through the film where you think that it's gonna be one thing and you find out it's something much, much darker than you actually thought it was.

2220
03:04:54,460 --> 03:05:01,680
So again, I have to, if you have never seen this film, then something is severely wrong.

2221
03:05:01,920 --> 03:05:12,640
You've got to remedy that right now, particularly if you are a fan of ghost films, of good haunting films, because this is top notch.

2222
03:05:14,280 --> 03:05:14,760
Brian.

2223
03:05:15,800 --> 03:05:35,240
I have always loved this movie and, excuse me, it's always hurt my soul when I've been talking to horror fans, die hard, big time horror fans and the subject of good horror films, maybe in general or even more specifically, good haunted house or ghost movies.

2224
03:05:35,680 --> 03:05:41,680
And I mentioned the changeling and I get nothing but blank looks and crickets in the background.

2225
03:05:42,160 --> 03:05:43,360
And I'm like, oh, Jesus.

2226
03:05:43,380 --> 03:05:47,000
I mean, this is a movie that really seemed to have been forgotten.

2227
03:05:47,560 --> 03:05:48,580
That's a shame.

2228
03:05:49,200 --> 03:05:53,880
I mean, the DVD copy I have is Bare Bones, it's old as dirt.

2229
03:05:53,900 --> 03:05:58,760
I mean, there's Blu-rays coming out of some of the most insipid bullshit you can imagine.

2230
03:05:59,120 --> 03:06:03,520
Yet this is still some hard to find, out of print, DVD only movie.

2231
03:06:03,940 --> 03:06:05,140
That's a travesty.

2232
03:06:06,520 --> 03:06:10,020
As Jamie said, this is a film made by adults for adults.

2233
03:06:10,360 --> 03:06:14,580
And yeah, I like, I mean, one of my favorite movies of all time is Chopping Mall.

2234
03:06:14,780 --> 03:06:17,800
And that movie is about as stupid as you can get, but I love it.

2235
03:06:18,940 --> 03:06:25,720
So I can love silly movies and bloody movies and gory movies and hardcore movies and all different types of horror films.

2236
03:06:26,120 --> 03:06:31,340
But it seems to be a lost art where horror films are taken seriously.

2237
03:06:31,700 --> 03:06:35,860
You know, they're not just made for quick boo scares or blood and guts.

2238
03:06:36,860 --> 03:06:39,640
They're really made to scare the hell out of you.

2239
03:06:39,860 --> 03:06:46,820
And they do that by mood and by atmosphere and just a hell of a good story and great acting.

2240
03:06:48,140 --> 03:06:49,980
Scott owns this movie.

2241
03:06:50,300 --> 03:06:51,980
He is straight up pimp in it.

2242
03:06:52,460 --> 03:06:53,220
He carries it.

2243
03:06:53,580 --> 03:06:56,480
I mean, probably 70% of the movie is just George C.

2244
03:06:56,500 --> 03:06:57,260
Scott alone.

2245
03:06:57,600 --> 03:06:58,620
There's other actors.

2246
03:06:58,640 --> 03:07:00,940
Yeah, there's, you know, secondary actors.

2247
03:07:00,960 --> 03:07:05,760
But this movie, it lives and dies by George's performance.

2248
03:07:06,020 --> 03:07:07,840
And he just knocks it out of the park.

2249
03:07:08,380 --> 03:07:10,660
There's a there's a neat little mystery here.

2250
03:07:10,920 --> 03:07:20,200
And I love mysteries, whether there's straight up mystery films or books, or if they're blend in other elements, like in this case, horror.

2251
03:07:20,820 --> 03:07:24,420
But in many movies, they have a mystery going on.

2252
03:07:24,900 --> 03:07:26,000
It's usually like this.

2253
03:07:26,560 --> 03:07:27,500
You don't know anything.

2254
03:07:27,920 --> 03:07:28,880
You don't know anything.

2255
03:07:29,280 --> 03:07:30,300
You don't know anything.

2256
03:07:30,600 --> 03:07:31,680
You don't know anything.

2257
03:07:31,940 --> 03:07:33,020
You don't know anything.

2258
03:07:33,480 --> 03:07:38,140
Then they'll find the one book or they'll meet the one character that moves all the exposition.

2259
03:07:38,640 --> 03:07:41,020
Then you'll have a 10 or 15 minute info dump.

2260
03:07:41,700 --> 03:07:44,060
And then boom, and that's crap.

2261
03:07:44,180 --> 03:07:45,280
That is lazy.

2262
03:07:45,580 --> 03:07:47,760
That is like the worst way to handle that.

2263
03:07:49,100 --> 03:07:52,940
Here, there's a good little mystery of what's going on and who did what.

2264
03:07:53,700 --> 03:07:56,960
And the information is handed out expertly.

2265
03:07:57,280 --> 03:08:01,720
You get a little bit here and then a little bit more and then a little bit more.

2266
03:08:01,980 --> 03:08:09,500
And like Jamie said, yeah, there was even some misdirection on who could be the haunt and what's going on and the whole reason behind the ghost.

2267
03:08:09,780 --> 03:08:12,640
But it just, this is a very measured film.

2268
03:08:13,000 --> 03:08:15,020
It is a very deliberately paced film.

2269
03:08:15,480 --> 03:08:19,780
It is just, it's craftsmanship that you just don't see anymore, sadly.

2270
03:08:21,800 --> 03:08:31,780
Far too often horror is seen as the quick cash grab that no matter how much, how little money you throw at a film, it's going to make money back.

2271
03:08:31,800 --> 03:08:33,980
I mean, that's the Roger Corman way.

2272
03:08:34,480 --> 03:08:36,640
And don't get me wrong, I love me some Corman films.

2273
03:08:37,060 --> 03:08:38,880
That's the Bloom House way.

2274
03:08:39,320 --> 03:08:41,280
And again, I love a lot of Bloom House films.

2275
03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:49,540
But nowadays, horror is made for almost the most cynical reasons, because it's profitable.

2276
03:08:50,420 --> 03:08:56,320
They don't care about telling a good story or great story, really scaring you.

2277
03:08:56,800 --> 03:09:03,500
It's no, we know the elements, we know the formula, A plus B equals C, scary movie equals money.

2278
03:09:04,200 --> 03:09:19,560
So they know to put just enough money in where they can get whatever the hell they need, whatever CGI effects they need, and they know that enough kids will go see it, and even if it's a total piece of shit like Ouija, it'll still make money.

2279
03:09:20,540 --> 03:09:24,760
That movie made bank, and that movie is horrendous.

2280
03:09:25,180 --> 03:09:30,240
And that movie's gonna make a sequel, or I should say they're making a sequel to it.

2281
03:09:31,060 --> 03:09:39,020
Movies like this, it just takes a lot more effort, takes a lot more time, takes a lot more skill, and probably a lot more money.

2282
03:09:39,320 --> 03:09:43,180
So you just don't see them anymore, and it's a goddamn shame.

2283
03:09:44,060 --> 03:09:48,460
But rant aside, this movie is awesome.

2284
03:09:48,860 --> 03:09:52,920
It's one of the few movies out there that can legitimately creep me out.

2285
03:09:53,620 --> 03:09:58,860
I love horror films, all kinds and flavors, but very few can actually scare me.

2286
03:09:59,360 --> 03:10:01,300
Probably I can count them on one hand.

2287
03:10:01,740 --> 03:10:02,580
This is one of them.

2288
03:10:02,960 --> 03:10:06,060
Just something about it, just the way it works.

2289
03:10:07,300 --> 03:10:08,540
It works very well.

2290
03:10:09,820 --> 03:10:11,720
So you have a damn good story.

2291
03:10:12,020 --> 03:10:13,320
You have good direction.

2292
03:10:13,500 --> 03:10:15,060
You have George C.

2293
03:10:15,080 --> 03:10:17,100
Scott acting his ass off.

2294
03:10:18,320 --> 03:10:20,500
You got good creepy atmosphere.

2295
03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:24,220
There is not one bad thing about this entire film.

2296
03:10:24,660 --> 03:10:25,680
I love the hell out of it.

2297
03:10:25,960 --> 03:10:30,060
And if you have like many fans out there and you've never seen it, you need to.

2298
03:10:30,480 --> 03:10:35,980
Track down a copy somewhere and watch it, preferably alone at night.

2299
03:10:36,520 --> 03:10:38,360
And it still scare the hell of you.

2300
03:10:40,500 --> 03:10:44,920
Yeah, me, The Changeling was the first time I watched for this program forever.

2301
03:10:44,940 --> 03:10:45,860
I've never seen it before.

2302
03:10:46,280 --> 03:10:53,300
I've always seen the VHS box with, I think there's the balls on the ground and of course, the wheelchair which comes into play in the plot.

2303
03:10:57,600 --> 03:10:58,840
And yeah, like you guys say, George C.

2304
03:10:58,860 --> 03:11:05,280
Scott runs this movie and he runs it very, very well because nobody can kiddy moat quite like him.

2305
03:11:05,300 --> 03:11:09,580
I remember a movie when he introduced me to George C.

2306
03:11:09,600 --> 03:11:17,240
Scott was Angus in high school, middle school almost about a fat kid who was good at science and fair football.

2307
03:11:17,260 --> 03:11:19,360
And he played his grandfather in this movie.

2308
03:11:19,520 --> 03:11:21,400
And I can relate to that kid.

2309
03:11:22,180 --> 03:11:24,300
That's why I watched Angus so much as a kid.

2310
03:11:24,320 --> 03:11:25,660
So George C.

2311
03:11:25,680 --> 03:11:28,000
Scott was kind of like my grandfather in a way.

2312
03:11:28,100 --> 03:11:35,680
So if this movie itself, it's very, very spooky like these people said in the house.

2313
03:11:35,700 --> 03:11:48,400
The house itself plays a character in the whole film because even the character says when he can't explain the random dings in the night that he hears and we should find out later why you're hearing these things.

2314
03:11:48,560 --> 03:12:12,300
It's all connected to what happens and that's just sounds that old houses making claims and that's true because if you're living like an old house, by fight or flight, those houses are going to make old house noises like they're drafty and for whatever reason, these old houses make noises and this one's at least 100 years old probably.

2315
03:12:14,880 --> 03:12:17,060
I like the slow burn in this movie.

2316
03:12:17,080 --> 03:12:24,760
I don't typically enjoy slow burns usually, but this one, it didn't map it out to like Brian said.

2317
03:12:25,020 --> 03:12:27,120
It didn't just give you like one piece of exposition.

2318
03:12:27,140 --> 03:12:33,100
It took a lot of time to put it all together, almost like you're unraveling a fine mystery.

2319
03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:38,880
But you're doing it piece by piece like it was done in this movie, not just blown up in your face all at once.

2320
03:12:41,740 --> 03:12:42,220
What else?

2321
03:12:42,660 --> 03:12:56,500
It's just genuinely creepy, the scenes you see, the flashback scenes of, yeah, there's a tub scene in this movie, which is pretty graphic and you don't see it coming all of a sudden.

2322
03:12:56,520 --> 03:12:58,420
Like, holy shit, what the fuck is he doing to this kid?

2323
03:12:58,440 --> 03:13:10,480
And all of a sudden, that happens and, you know, fuck me up, man, because I didn't see it coming, you know, because all the time you think it's somebody, but it's somebody else and they're waiting for something.

2324
03:13:10,500 --> 03:13:15,020
And that was where I was tough with the little soap opera thing, which he could either enjoy or not enjoy.

2325
03:13:15,040 --> 03:13:25,680
It's been every kind of soap opera, you know, when of course you have family conflicts and family conspiracies and family theories and what's really going on, that plays a big part in this movie.

2326
03:13:25,700 --> 03:13:31,960
And the final conclusion, yeah, it's just genuinely scary.

2327
03:13:32,100 --> 03:13:35,720
And I wish I would watch it with lights off at night, but I didn't.

2328
03:13:35,740 --> 03:13:41,160
And I watched it on YouTube sitting in my chair, just watching it and enjoying what I was seeing.

2329
03:13:41,160 --> 03:13:48,260
And I, well, like you mentioned the score, Jamie, the score is pretty wonderful in this film too.

2330
03:13:48,800 --> 03:13:51,360
And that plays a big part in the movie.

2331
03:13:51,380 --> 03:13:54,060
I love when scores play a big part in the movie.

2332
03:13:55,000 --> 03:14:05,880
This had a great scene in it where, you know, the classic Eddie Murphy delirious line of when something gets haunted at a white folks house, they invite more white folks over.

2333
03:14:05,900 --> 03:14:10,420
That happens in this movie in a seance and it's pretty entertaining.

2334
03:14:12,100 --> 03:14:13,540
It happens more than you think, people.

2335
03:14:13,560 --> 03:14:20,120
You should look up this, how many films, I don't know, porn made this giant list of sex romp pictures.

2336
03:14:20,640 --> 03:14:31,080
I love to see a list of films where white folks have a haunting and they invite more and more white folks over list, just like that.

2337
03:14:31,100 --> 03:14:32,800
Yeah, the list does go on and on.

2338
03:14:32,820 --> 03:14:37,300
For some reason, we feel the need to share our hauntings with other white folks.

2339
03:14:39,800 --> 03:14:41,380
I am so glad that you liked this.

2340
03:14:41,800 --> 03:14:49,100
It always makes me happy whenever someone watches something for the first time and I and I, something that I love and then they end up liking it.

2341
03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:49,960
That makes me happy.

2342
03:14:50,420 --> 03:14:56,140
I implore you people, please do not read the comments on Amazon.

2343
03:14:56,160 --> 03:15:09,280
I went there earlier to see if it had ever had another release and sadly, there's only the one DVD release and it's the one that we have and it's very basic, but that's the only way you can get it right now.

2344
03:15:10,660 --> 03:15:16,440
But I stumbled across several one star ratings while I was there and I was like, well, let me see.

2345
03:15:16,460 --> 03:15:18,720
I don't know why I do this to myself.

2346
03:15:18,780 --> 03:15:27,480
But so I started reading them and it just, oh, it made me so angry to read what these people had to say.

2347
03:15:27,500 --> 03:15:32,880
So I implore you watch the film, but do not go to Amazon and read the reviews.

2348
03:15:32,900 --> 03:15:35,720
Of course, most people out there know better than me anyway.

2349
03:15:35,740 --> 03:15:37,600
Most people don't do that.

2350
03:15:37,880 --> 03:15:44,240
But you know, I try to avoid the IMDB comments and stuff, but you know, whatever.

2351
03:15:44,260 --> 03:15:45,220
Sometimes you get sucked in.

2352
03:15:46,820 --> 03:15:57,420
Don't take this the wrong way, but I can see, not see myself, I can see why folks would give it the one star rating because those folks didn't strap themselves in for this movie in a way.

2353
03:15:57,440 --> 03:16:09,520
You know, I mean, it was just, I don't know, it's just some people were saying just, well, one person actually said the acting was terrible and I don't at all see where they got that.

2354
03:16:09,540 --> 03:16:10,900
I don't see where that came from.

2355
03:16:10,920 --> 03:16:12,700
They pulled that straight out of their ass.

2356
03:16:13,180 --> 03:16:15,020
So that's what I'm saying, don't forget.

2357
03:16:15,700 --> 03:16:18,480
Sadly, everybody has an opinion, even morons.

2358
03:16:21,240 --> 03:16:42,160
I will say too that I think, and I've always said this, that if you are a fan of Stir of Echoes, then I think you'll like this film because to me, there are several notes that hit the same, but I mean, it's not the same, but I can, I think they would actually be a good double feature.

2359
03:16:42,760 --> 03:16:43,860
Well, yeah, I can see that.

2360
03:16:44,960 --> 03:16:57,380
But yeah, this film for me was a great first time watch and I know I didn't sing the praises like I should, but it's going to take more sub-sequential watches for me to catch everything and all that good stuff.

2361
03:16:57,400 --> 03:16:59,520
But the creepy stuff is creepy.

2362
03:16:59,820 --> 03:17:00,640
I love this stuff.

2363
03:17:00,840 --> 03:17:07,680
Anything where something is bouncing down the stairs, especially this, I couldn't tell if it was, it's obviously a croquet ball because...

2364
03:17:08,280 --> 03:17:10,100
It's a little rubber bouncy ball.

2365
03:17:10,580 --> 03:17:18,680
And it bounces down the stairs and then there's a scene where he goes to go throw this in the river because it resembled his daughter's ball.

2366
03:17:18,700 --> 03:17:22,240
Obviously these ghosts are fucking with him like they do for this whole movie.

2367
03:17:23,120 --> 03:17:24,420
And then the ball comes back.

2368
03:17:26,840 --> 03:17:29,780
That's what you know, what they love, they do right away.

2369
03:17:29,800 --> 03:17:34,840
You know, the first 12 minutes in, he's playing that piano in the house.

2370
03:17:35,360 --> 03:17:40,280
And all of a sudden the key plays by itself and you know something's wrong right away.

2371
03:17:40,300 --> 03:17:42,980
But it doesn't happen all at once.

2372
03:17:43,100 --> 03:17:43,520
You know?

2373
03:17:43,840 --> 03:17:44,800
You know, it doesn't.

2374
03:17:44,820 --> 03:17:51,500
It takes time to stretch its legs and that is a good thing, you know?

2375
03:17:51,580 --> 03:17:56,740
I think we all need to hone our attention spans a little more.

2376
03:17:56,760 --> 03:18:02,060
Something has gone wrong with society that we have such short attention spans these days.

2377
03:18:02,220 --> 03:18:03,320
Sit the fuck down.

2378
03:18:03,780 --> 03:18:04,640
Settle down.

2379
03:18:04,660 --> 03:18:06,820
Relax and enjoy something.

2380
03:18:06,860 --> 03:18:12,420
Allow a good story to unfold in front of you and, you know, allow yourself to be sucked in.

2381
03:18:12,840 --> 03:18:19,460
You can give something 90 minutes to two hours and, you know, let yourself enjoy it.

2382
03:18:19,460 --> 03:18:20,260
It won't hurt you.

2383
03:18:20,980 --> 03:18:26,380
Also, no CGI shadowy Spectre bullshit.

2384
03:18:26,980 --> 03:18:28,080
Thank the Lord.

2385
03:18:28,880 --> 03:18:36,100
If you've seen previews for the new Paranormal Activity movie, now we can debate if the Paranormal Activities are good or not.

2386
03:18:36,820 --> 03:18:39,500
The first one, obviously a lot of people liked it.

2387
03:18:39,920 --> 03:18:40,560
I'm one of them.

2388
03:18:40,600 --> 03:18:41,620
I liked the first movie.

2389
03:18:41,900 --> 03:18:43,060
It didn't need any of that.

2390
03:18:43,280 --> 03:18:55,060
But goddamn, this next one, they got shadows and ghosts and spirits and Spectres and spooks and haunts and every sort of crap you could think of just dancing in front of the screen the whole time.

2391
03:18:56,600 --> 03:19:00,060
Another movie, Guillermo del Toro's Crimson Peaks.

2392
03:19:00,500 --> 03:19:02,020
Oh, I hate to say it, but it's true.

2393
03:19:02,040 --> 03:19:04,380
Yeah, it breaks my heart.

2394
03:19:04,740 --> 03:19:06,800
I love me some del Toro.

2395
03:19:07,920 --> 03:19:11,380
He's one of the best directors going nowadays, in my opinion.

2396
03:19:11,980 --> 03:19:14,340
And yet I have zero interest in seeing that film.

2397
03:19:14,560 --> 03:19:17,240
Because it just looks like shit.

2398
03:19:17,900 --> 03:19:22,560
It looks like the only scares are going to be shadowy, spooky CGI haunts.

2399
03:19:23,060 --> 03:19:24,120
And you don't need that.

2400
03:19:25,160 --> 03:19:28,980
Here is a movie that doesn't have any of that and it's scary as hell.

2401
03:19:31,100 --> 03:19:34,760
The technological wizardry is just such a crutch.

2402
03:19:35,960 --> 03:19:37,600
Hell, what was that?

2403
03:19:37,620 --> 03:19:43,160
The Woman in Black, the Harry Potter kid, his big first non-Harry Potter film.

2404
03:19:43,640 --> 03:19:47,260
I really liked that film, except every time the ghost was on the screen.

2405
03:19:48,120 --> 03:19:50,240
Everything else about that film was really well done.

2406
03:19:50,260 --> 03:19:51,940
It had good atmosphere.

2407
03:19:52,360 --> 03:19:53,340
It was well acted.

2408
03:19:53,540 --> 03:19:55,860
It had some genuinely creepy moments.

2409
03:19:56,540 --> 03:20:03,820
But they had to ruin it with the Nintendo 64 version of a ghost every five seconds.

2410
03:20:03,820 --> 03:20:05,080
It's so lazy.

2411
03:20:05,440 --> 03:20:07,460
It is so cheap.

2412
03:20:07,460 --> 03:20:09,680
Why try to make the audience scared?

2413
03:20:09,900 --> 03:20:10,480
Don't worry.

2414
03:20:10,500 --> 03:20:11,640
We'll just put it in post.

2415
03:20:11,660 --> 03:20:12,980
We'll add a spooky face.

2416
03:20:13,060 --> 03:20:14,000
There, done.

2417
03:20:14,020 --> 03:20:15,020
Horror movie.

2418
03:20:15,720 --> 03:20:17,000
And a musical sting.

2419
03:20:17,020 --> 03:20:17,820
Don't forget about the stings.

2420
03:20:22,820 --> 03:20:26,340
Oh, but with all that, I guess we'll go into grades now.

2421
03:20:26,580 --> 03:20:29,120
Jamie, what are you giving?

2422
03:20:29,420 --> 03:20:30,420
No, that is OK.

2423
03:20:30,420 --> 03:20:31,540
I love a good rant.

2424
03:20:31,560 --> 03:20:32,800
And the rants are good.

2425
03:20:32,820 --> 03:20:35,700
Jamie, what are you giving 1 through 10, girl?

2426
03:20:36,180 --> 03:20:37,800
This is a 10 for me.

2427
03:20:37,880 --> 03:20:40,860
I think this is the way that films should be made.

2428
03:20:40,880 --> 03:20:43,420
This is the way ghost stories should be made.

2429
03:20:45,120 --> 03:20:48,800
And it is heartbreaking to me that it has been virtually forgotten.

2430
03:20:49,800 --> 03:20:50,240
Brian?

2431
03:20:51,500 --> 03:20:52,400
Is there any doubt?

2432
03:20:52,400 --> 03:20:53,260
Is there any question?

2433
03:20:53,260 --> 03:20:53,900
It's a 10.

2434
03:20:55,080 --> 03:20:57,220
I don't think there's anything about this movie I would change.

2435
03:20:58,320 --> 03:20:59,860
It is a gem.

2436
03:21:00,100 --> 03:21:04,680
And yeah, it's a crying shame that more people out there just don't know it.

2437
03:21:07,620 --> 03:21:13,200
I remember seeing the VHS box very prominently, I remember seeing it around, I remember hearing much, much about it.

2438
03:21:13,600 --> 03:21:16,320
But I think the plot synopsis kind of turned me away.

2439
03:21:16,340 --> 03:21:23,580
If you read the plot synopsis of the film, you get the brain span of a 15-year-old boy, it might not turn you on so much.

2440
03:21:25,020 --> 03:21:32,080
But you know, like Martin, with an adult brain, you could sit still, you're not so ADD all of a sudden.

2441
03:21:32,240 --> 03:21:35,360
And you could enjoy life and enjoy a film like this.

2442
03:21:35,940 --> 03:21:39,360
But since this is the first time I've watched it, I didn't catch everything, I'm sure.

2443
03:21:39,380 --> 03:21:42,140
I might have to subsequently give it an 8.

2444
03:21:42,680 --> 03:21:47,420
And something against the film, it's just I need to watch it again to catch more stuff.

2445
03:21:47,440 --> 03:21:49,340
That is a very solid score.

2446
03:21:49,600 --> 03:21:51,080
I don't apologize for that.

2447
03:21:51,180 --> 03:21:53,640
I think that's a very strong score.

2448
03:21:53,740 --> 03:22:06,920
And I think, honestly, you were probably, it was probably a good thing that you didn't watch it at 15 because you probably wouldn't have liked it very much.

2449
03:22:06,940 --> 03:22:09,020
And then that may have colored the way you viewed it now.

2450
03:22:09,440 --> 03:22:10,320
Well, probably.

2451
03:22:10,340 --> 03:22:15,700
I mean, Martin was tainted to me, but it didn't hurt my viewing of it this time around.

2452
03:22:15,720 --> 03:22:20,240
So that the, yeah, the different eyes, different eyes always helps, you know.

2453
03:22:20,680 --> 03:22:24,500
But let me say, you know, if you are a younger listener out there, don't let that stop you.

2454
03:22:24,900 --> 03:22:29,640
I did see this at a very young age, but I came across it one night.

2455
03:22:29,800 --> 03:22:31,160
It was on cable.

2456
03:22:31,620 --> 03:22:32,900
I didn't know anything about it.

2457
03:22:33,340 --> 03:22:35,560
I was alone because my mom was working.

2458
03:22:35,580 --> 03:22:37,720
I was a latchkey cat boohoo for me.

2459
03:22:38,340 --> 03:22:42,900
And so I just put it on and scared the living hell out of me.

2460
03:22:43,100 --> 03:23:01,720
So if, you know, if you're open to it, if you're not ADD riddled, if you don't want shiny keys jingled in front of your face for the whole length of an entire film, if you want something that is truly scary, then give it a shot.

2461
03:23:01,960 --> 03:23:02,920
I'm betting you'll like it.

2462
03:23:03,340 --> 03:23:09,340
And no, you may not taste as subjective, but this is just, this is high quality stuff here.

2463
03:23:09,360 --> 03:23:14,180
This is people making a film who gave a damn and not just doing it for a paycheck.

2464
03:23:14,720 --> 03:23:23,000
Let me tell you this, if you have a sound system, then crank that sucker up and you will definitely feel it.

2465
03:23:23,800 --> 03:23:29,040
When the banging starts, I mean, it just shivers straight up your spine.

2466
03:23:30,260 --> 03:23:31,520
You know what I'm talking about.

2467
03:23:31,640 --> 03:23:33,640
Yeah, I know what you're talking about, yes.

2468
03:27:59,247 --> 03:28:05,127
Thank And now some messages from CourtSyops, Ricky Morgan and Brian M.

2469
03:28:05,147 --> 03:28:10,547
Sammons, respectively, coming up next, right now, if you will.

2470
03:28:32,147 --> 03:28:32,487
Leave.

2471
03:28:46,467 --> 03:28:47,967
What's up, everybody at Cinema Beef?

2472
03:28:47,987 --> 03:28:49,807
This is Cord over at Cinema PsyOps.

2473
03:28:49,847 --> 03:28:51,787
Holy fuck, three years, man?

2474
03:28:51,807 --> 03:28:52,687
Are you serious?

2475
03:28:52,887 --> 03:28:54,007
That's fucking awesome.

2476
03:28:54,147 --> 03:28:55,107
Congratulations.

2477
03:28:55,367 --> 03:29:02,807
I know everybody hasn't been there all the time or what have you, but I know, Gary, you've been putting this out for three years, so congratulations, man, on that perseverance.

2478
03:29:02,827 --> 03:29:06,587
And Jamie and also X, you guys are doing great work with them now.

2479
03:29:06,607 --> 03:29:09,007
I think this is the ultimate version of the cast.

2480
03:29:09,107 --> 03:29:10,407
I wouldn't change it for the world.

2481
03:29:10,427 --> 03:29:13,527
You guys are all great together, and I think it works perfectly.

2482
03:29:13,547 --> 03:29:16,547
You guys are triumphant, triumvirate, if you will.

2483
03:29:16,687 --> 03:29:17,747
Absolutely excellent.

2484
03:29:17,767 --> 03:29:21,987
Now, speaking of the threes, you wanted the three greatest film beefs.

2485
03:29:22,147 --> 03:29:25,127
Well, first of all, remakes in name only.

2486
03:29:25,287 --> 03:29:31,267
Seriously, are you just buying the name because it's already a known product, and dumb fucks will line up in the theaters to go see it?

2487
03:29:31,347 --> 03:29:32,627
Well, of course you are.

2488
03:29:32,787 --> 03:29:34,387
That's exactly why you're doing it.

2489
03:29:34,467 --> 03:29:35,747
It's a brazen money grab.

2490
03:29:35,807 --> 03:29:42,467
And go fuck yourself, because some of us actually like those original movies, and you should have just re-released them if you wanted to do a money grab.

2491
03:29:42,507 --> 03:29:43,107
Piss off.

2492
03:29:43,127 --> 03:29:47,267
That leads me to my next one, Michael Bay and His Goddamn Bablosians.

2493
03:29:47,587 --> 03:29:56,347
Speaking about remakes in name only, or just adopting franchises that already have a popular name, yeah, no duh, it's gonna make money, you popcorn-making motherfucker.

2494
03:29:56,347 --> 03:30:00,427
Your movies suck, you suck, and stop being so full of yourself, Michael Bay.

2495
03:30:00,467 --> 03:30:02,507
I'm looking at you, and I ain't happy.

2496
03:30:02,627 --> 03:30:04,867
And last but not least, romantic comedies.

2497
03:30:04,967 --> 03:30:06,727
Look, we know people fall in love.

2498
03:30:06,907 --> 03:30:12,907
We know that sometimes hilarious things happen when people fall in love, but romantic comedies get it 100% wrong.

2499
03:30:12,907 --> 03:30:18,387
I've never seen any romantic comedy that fully really applies to any loving situation.

2500
03:30:18,807 --> 03:30:20,167
In anything ever.

2501
03:30:20,307 --> 03:30:21,267
They all suck.

2502
03:30:21,407 --> 03:30:22,447
They're all stupid.

2503
03:30:22,587 --> 03:30:33,667
And really, they're only there to rake in money for girls or women or even men who just want to feel what it feels like to fall in love for the first time over and over again.

2504
03:30:33,687 --> 03:30:44,167
They're formulaic, they're boring as shit, and I hate them because my personal romance story with my wife is the greatest story I'll ever need to hear about how two people can fall in love.

2505
03:30:44,287 --> 03:30:47,447
So fuck you, Hollywood, and stop pumping that bullshit down our throats.

2506
03:30:47,707 --> 03:31:15,587
Last but not least, I think the film that affected or shaped the way that I watch films to this day, now this is going to be a weird one, but Living in Oblivion, led by Steve Buscemi, it gave me a very early look at how films are made in the independent world behind the scenes, and I gotta say, it shaped the way I looked at movies because I started thinking about how they made them, what choices they were making in the writing, what they were trying to say, and all the shenanigans and weird shit that happens behind the scenes.

2507
03:31:15,827 --> 03:31:17,467
It did sort of shape it.

2508
03:31:17,527 --> 03:31:21,947
I haven't seen the movie in quite a few years, but I remember really enjoying it and liking it a lot.

2509
03:31:21,987 --> 03:31:27,747
One of those things that I happened to catch on IFC as a kid, so it really shaped the way that I looked at movies ever since then.

2510
03:31:27,767 --> 03:31:28,507
So there you go.

2511
03:31:28,527 --> 03:31:31,507
Hope my list helps, and again, congratulations on three years, guys.

2512
03:31:31,527 --> 03:31:32,667
That's fucking amazing.

2513
03:31:32,807 --> 03:31:33,747
Awesome work.

2514
03:31:33,947 --> 03:31:34,327
Later.

2515
03:31:38,607 --> 03:31:39,327
Hey, guys.

2516
03:31:39,767 --> 03:31:41,807
This is Rick from the Helming Power Hour.

2517
03:31:42,327 --> 03:31:44,807
Just want to congratulate you guys on three years.

2518
03:31:45,827 --> 03:31:47,247
Really enjoy listening to Cinema Beef.

2519
03:31:47,267 --> 03:31:52,187
Any show that's got a clip from Phantom of the Paradise, I'm automatically a fan.

2520
03:31:52,787 --> 03:32:01,747
So Gary reached out and asked me to put a little something together to send to you guys in celebration and wanted three film beefs.

2521
03:32:01,927 --> 03:32:05,827
Well, as you know, here at Helming, we don't do anything normal.

2522
03:32:06,647 --> 03:32:11,187
So I've got these sound bites I'm going to give to Gary, and he can decide to use them or not.

2523
03:32:12,527 --> 03:32:13,607
But there's some beefs I have.

2524
03:32:13,627 --> 03:32:15,567
I think you'll see a common thread in those.

2525
03:32:16,607 --> 03:32:27,107
As far as a film Rage Quit, I would almost have to say I've never really walked out of a film, but the one that came really, really close was A Knight's Tale.

2526
03:32:28,967 --> 03:32:31,087
The movie just felt funky the whole way through.

2527
03:32:31,107 --> 03:32:42,187
I know it's some sort of cult classic now, but I'm a big fan of the medieval type movies, and this one just ruined it for me, especially when he got stuck in the arm with the jousting experience.

2528
03:32:43,327 --> 03:32:50,687
He can't use his arm, so he switches to the other arm, and then after he meets the guy, he jumps over a rail using the arm that was damaged, so that just kind of threw it for me.

2529
03:32:51,287 --> 03:32:56,367
As far as movies that shaped the way that I watch films now, I have to go all the way back to the first Evil Dead movie.

2530
03:32:56,387 --> 03:33:01,987
I think it was the first movie where I realized how a person can make a movie on their own.

2531
03:33:02,787 --> 03:33:10,947
It didn't seem like it had to be a big Hollywood production, so it really made me look at things from a different angle of trying to figure out exactly how he did all the camera shots.

2532
03:33:11,327 --> 03:33:12,607
I'm talking about Sam Raimi.

2533
03:33:12,627 --> 03:33:14,867
All those angles and stuff just blew my mind.

2534
03:33:16,187 --> 03:33:24,427
From that point on, I used Sam Raimi as basically a measuring stick and looking at other shows and stuff.

2535
03:33:24,447 --> 03:33:26,547
Anyways, guys, great show.

2536
03:33:26,567 --> 03:33:27,027
I love it.

2537
03:33:27,227 --> 03:33:28,567
Hope you have many more years.

2538
03:33:29,347 --> 03:33:31,767
Hey, Gary, X and Jamie.

2539
03:33:31,847 --> 03:33:37,707
This is Brian Sammons from the ABCs of Hidden Horror, Evil Episodes and Dark Regions Radio.

2540
03:33:38,527 --> 03:33:42,387
I wanted to call to say congrats to all of you for your three-year anniversary.

2541
03:33:43,027 --> 03:33:43,827
That's impressive.

2542
03:33:44,207 --> 03:33:46,867
I haven't been doing the podcasting thing for quite that long.

2543
03:33:46,887 --> 03:33:48,067
I don't know if I will be.

2544
03:33:48,487 --> 03:33:54,647
So I am in awe of all of you that you have the tenacity and fortitude to continue to do it for such a long time.

2545
03:33:55,227 --> 03:33:59,007
I've enjoyed your show from the beginning, from when I started listening to it till now.

2546
03:33:59,707 --> 03:34:02,307
And I wanted to say thanks for having me on an occasion.

2547
03:34:02,967 --> 03:34:10,927
And you all can go to hell for making me watch some truly horrible films when you guys cover some real stinkers.

2548
03:34:11,067 --> 03:34:13,447
Because if Jamie watches them, then I do.

2549
03:34:13,887 --> 03:34:14,567
So thanks.

2550
03:34:14,967 --> 03:34:15,647
Thanks for that.

2551
03:34:15,867 --> 03:34:22,547
Anyway, you had asked me some questions to share some of my thoughts and insights on a few things.

2552
03:34:23,227 --> 03:34:24,467
So here we go.

2553
03:34:25,207 --> 03:34:28,187
You asked me, what was my three greatest film beefs?

2554
03:34:28,767 --> 03:34:32,707
Well, okay, the first one would be Exposition Bombs.

2555
03:34:33,507 --> 03:34:37,527
I hate it when everything in a movie just stops dead.

2556
03:34:38,047 --> 03:34:48,027
So one or two characters can just have a conversation and give you all the information you need to get you up to speed, to have you catch up, and just everything grinds to a halt.

2557
03:34:48,527 --> 03:34:53,587
And then they have their little conversation and then it's like, okay, well, we can go back to, you know, the actual movie now.

2558
03:34:53,967 --> 03:34:56,327
There are so many better ways of doing that.

2559
03:34:56,967 --> 03:35:04,267
All information or if not all, the vast majority of it can be told as the movie progresses.

2560
03:35:04,727 --> 03:35:09,527
Exposition is telling, not showing, and it is just aggravating as all hell.

2561
03:35:09,987 --> 03:35:11,747
In real life doesn't work that way.

2562
03:35:12,427 --> 03:35:17,427
Another beef of mine is unlikable characters, especially in horror films.

2563
03:35:17,967 --> 03:35:27,327
These are the people I'm supposed to care about when the killer is chasing them around, trying to chop them up into kibble, or when the monster is trying to eat their face off or anything like that.

2564
03:35:27,807 --> 03:35:31,667
And yet you give me total reprehensible douchebags?

2565
03:35:32,207 --> 03:35:36,847
Pieces of crap I would not stop to piss on if they were on fire?

2566
03:35:37,347 --> 03:35:39,847
And I'm supposed to care what happens to them?

2567
03:35:40,467 --> 03:35:42,147
No, that's a fail.

2568
03:35:42,727 --> 03:35:48,507
And this happens more and more and more in just a whole bunch of modern horror films.

2569
03:35:49,307 --> 03:35:53,807
In the old classics from the 70s and 80s, there were always jerk characters.

2570
03:35:54,247 --> 03:35:58,867
There was one or two in every film, but the rest of the cast was supposed to be likeable.

2571
03:35:58,887 --> 03:36:00,307
You were supposed to care about them.

2572
03:36:00,607 --> 03:36:04,947
I don't know why everything has now flipped and just everybody is an asshole.

2573
03:36:05,427 --> 03:36:14,867
The third thing that really pisses me off is another modern film contrivance, and that is Muted or Monochromatic Color Palette.

2574
03:36:15,367 --> 03:36:20,867
The more modern films I watch, the more I see this, the more it aggravates me.

2575
03:36:21,367 --> 03:36:25,007
And you can take an otherwise semi-decent or good film.

2576
03:36:25,007 --> 03:36:38,247
It may have a good plot, some good direction, some decent acting, and then it just gets ruined because everything has one color, or the color correction is abused to such a degree, it becomes laughable.

2577
03:36:38,947 --> 03:36:51,507
There is a movie we watched recently called Dark Was the Night, and every scene, every single scene outside was blue, comically blue, not just a little blue to impart cold.

2578
03:36:52,607 --> 03:36:54,967
It was like they painted the lens blue.

2579
03:36:55,567 --> 03:36:58,307
Every single scene inside was piss yellow.

2580
03:36:58,727 --> 03:37:01,207
And then at the end, they alternated between red and green.

2581
03:37:01,727 --> 03:37:04,847
So essentially, there was four colors in this entire film.

2582
03:37:05,127 --> 03:37:09,107
And it was such a poor, poor decision that it distracted me.

2583
03:37:10,287 --> 03:37:14,447
The movie might have been good, I don't know, but just I hated watching it.

2584
03:37:14,907 --> 03:37:17,167
The act of watching it angered me.

2585
03:37:17,667 --> 03:37:22,727
When your movie visually assaults me to such a degree like that, you have failed.

2586
03:37:23,507 --> 03:37:28,367
Speaking of movies that have failed, you wanted to know my greatest film, Rage Quit.

2587
03:37:28,367 --> 03:37:32,847
What movie drove me to the brink where I said, ah, screw it and walked off or turned it off.

2588
03:37:33,367 --> 03:37:36,327
Actually, not too many and not by my own volition.

2589
03:37:36,827 --> 03:37:40,347
Unfortunately, Jamie doesn't allow me to rage quit movies all that much.

2590
03:37:41,587 --> 03:37:42,267
Oh, I would.

2591
03:37:42,767 --> 03:37:50,207
I'm a firm believer that if I give movie, let's say a half an hour, and I'm not liking it, then the whole rest of the movie could be pure gold.

2592
03:37:50,527 --> 03:37:52,727
The ending could be amazing.

2593
03:37:53,207 --> 03:37:57,287
But if you got to slog through all that shit to get to it, it's not worth it.

2594
03:37:57,687 --> 03:37:58,887
That's a bad film.

2595
03:37:59,367 --> 03:38:01,847
Great ending or not, it's not worth it.

2596
03:38:02,307 --> 03:38:10,327
But once Jamie starts a movie, she wants to watch it to the end, see my previous comments about you guys making me suffer.

2597
03:38:10,847 --> 03:38:27,767
Recently, the two most egregious offenders of that was a horror film called Headless, which was about a guy who liked to get women, chopped their heads off, skull fucked them, rinse, repeat, over and over and over and over and over again.

2598
03:38:28,547 --> 03:38:33,367
After about a half hour, I knew everything that movie was trying to tell me and it just didn't stop.

2599
03:38:33,787 --> 03:38:40,987
More recent than that, and much more horrible, is a little turd called Hashtag Horror.

2600
03:38:41,427 --> 03:38:42,747
This movie angered me.

2601
03:38:43,247 --> 03:38:45,387
It hurt me deep in my soul.

2602
03:38:45,967 --> 03:38:50,547
It was one of the most pretentious pieces of shit I've seen in a long time.

2603
03:38:51,327 --> 03:38:54,547
It was the very definition of style over substance.

2604
03:38:54,947 --> 03:38:56,587
And let's get something clear right here.

2605
03:38:56,767 --> 03:39:00,727
The style was crapped and there was zero substance.

2606
03:39:01,287 --> 03:39:05,407
This movie is just, it offended me in a personal level.

2607
03:39:06,007 --> 03:39:08,187
I hate, hate, hate that film.

2608
03:39:08,707 --> 03:39:12,707
And yet, I watched it to the end, so maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment.

2609
03:39:13,267 --> 03:39:18,487
Last but not least, a film that I think shaped the way I watch films today.

2610
03:39:18,927 --> 03:39:25,847
Well, Friday the 13th, part four, I don't think shaped the way I watch films, but it was my gateway drug to horror.

2611
03:39:26,647 --> 03:39:30,407
It is literally a movie that changed me.

2612
03:39:30,987 --> 03:39:33,987
It is a film that made me the person I am today.

2613
03:39:34,487 --> 03:39:38,087
It is the chief reason I am in love with all things horror.

2614
03:39:38,707 --> 03:39:41,367
So that's why that movie will always have a special place in my heart.

2615
03:39:41,927 --> 03:39:44,987
And very few films affect people like that.

2616
03:39:45,327 --> 03:39:47,927
But it honestly was a life changer for me.

2617
03:39:48,687 --> 03:39:56,527
As far as how I watch films today, I think the thing that influences me the most is not necessarily other films, but it's my profession.

2618
03:39:57,207 --> 03:39:58,707
I'm a storyteller by trade.

2619
03:39:58,727 --> 03:39:59,307
I'm a writer.

2620
03:39:59,767 --> 03:40:05,107
And so now plot is so important to me when I watch films.

2621
03:40:05,687 --> 03:40:16,867
Because I'll rail about bad characters or stupid decisions, or I hate when characters act stupidly just for the sake of plot to progress the story.

2622
03:40:17,207 --> 03:40:28,767
They will do stuff that previously they would not do, that no sane individual would do, but damn it, we need them to get from A to B, so no matter what, we're going to bludgeon them until they get there.

2623
03:40:29,127 --> 03:40:34,427
The structure of a story and being true to it is very important to me.

2624
03:40:35,167 --> 03:40:40,167
If you can't stay true to a story and have your movie work, then don't tell that story.

2625
03:40:40,647 --> 03:40:41,707
Do something else.

2626
03:40:42,227 --> 03:40:43,407
Don't try to cheat it.

2627
03:40:43,967 --> 03:40:46,307
Don't think we won't know, because we will.

2628
03:40:46,907 --> 03:40:49,587
So now I'm maybe hyper sensitive to that.

2629
03:40:49,607 --> 03:40:55,327
I'm always aware of, you know, the written word behind the images on the screen.

2630
03:40:55,787 --> 03:40:57,327
Well, that's it for me.

2631
03:40:58,127 --> 03:41:05,107
Again, congrats to all of you on your amazing anniversary, and please do keep the shows coming.

2632
03:41:05,707 --> 03:41:06,487
I'll keep listening.

2633
03:41:06,967 --> 03:41:07,487
Thanks again.

2634
03:41:07,787 --> 03:41:08,047
Bye.

2635
03:41:08,607 --> 03:41:13,127
All right, guys, we've heard a lot of other folks' beefs now and all that good stuff.

2636
03:41:13,687 --> 03:41:14,727
Let's hear from us now.

2637
03:41:14,907 --> 03:41:15,947
This should be a lot of fun.

2638
03:41:15,967 --> 03:41:17,687
I'm gonna start with my friend, X here.

2639
03:41:20,127 --> 03:41:24,887
Give us your three greatest film beefs, sir, for to jump off here.

2640
03:41:25,587 --> 03:41:30,467
You know, and this is beefs of all time, because I figured, why the fuck not?

2641
03:41:30,567 --> 03:41:31,947
So, okay.

2642
03:41:35,967 --> 03:41:39,247
My first biggest film beef is the trailer for Blade Runner.

2643
03:41:40,907 --> 03:41:51,767
Now, you gotta understand, because when my buddy Todd Elliott and I were like 12, 13 years old, that's when Blade Runner came out, and of course, being that age, we were horny pretty much all the time.

2644
03:41:53,247 --> 03:41:53,827
It feels like it.

2645
03:41:53,847 --> 03:41:55,587
That's what happens when you're 12 or 13, right?

2646
03:41:55,607 --> 03:42:06,307
You're just like this big container of hormones, and you just do whatever you can to feed that desire to see or touch something, whatever.

2647
03:42:06,947 --> 03:42:20,087
But we saw the trailer for Blade Runner while we were watching another movie, and we were really excited because there's this one part in the trailer where Harrison Ford says to Sean Young, do you love me?

2648
03:42:20,707 --> 03:42:21,507
Undress me.

2649
03:42:21,747 --> 03:42:23,407
Now, I know that's not the line.

2650
03:42:24,287 --> 03:42:28,987
That's not the line, but that's what the line was in the trailer, I swear to God.

2651
03:42:30,227 --> 03:42:32,267
Which version of that fucking movie was that?

2652
03:42:32,607 --> 03:42:36,147
This is like the original theatrical cut.

2653
03:42:36,527 --> 03:42:38,707
This is like when it first came out back in 81.

2654
03:42:40,447 --> 03:42:50,567
So, you know, we saw the trailer, we thought, oh, this is going to be amazing because not only is this like a really cool looking sci-fi movie, but it's going to be full of hot future sex.

2655
03:42:51,507 --> 03:42:55,827
And so we sneaked into it when it came out.

2656
03:42:56,687 --> 03:42:57,447
We sneaked into it.

2657
03:42:57,727 --> 03:43:07,107
We sneaked into Blade Runner and I don't know, I guess we were like maybe expecting a smarter version of Galaxena and we did not get that.

2658
03:43:07,207 --> 03:43:10,007
It was a great movie, but it's really light on the boning.

2659
03:43:11,967 --> 03:43:22,207
But here's the thing, I'm still convinced that they changed the line in the trailer as part of some fucked up marketing scheme for a movie that was way too smart for its time.

2660
03:43:25,647 --> 03:43:27,727
It's kind of like the phrase, place your bets.

2661
03:43:28,307 --> 03:43:30,987
Not the movie people.

2662
03:43:31,167 --> 03:43:33,647
They didn't know what the hell to do with that movie.

2663
03:43:33,667 --> 03:43:36,267
I mean, the narration, come on.

2664
03:43:37,307 --> 03:43:47,447
Yes, I don't put a pass on to try to lure people in to see this really smart movie by promising that you'll get to see fucking Sean Young and Harrison Ford stooping in a dusty room.

2665
03:43:48,107 --> 03:43:56,347
So, I don't know, it still makes me angry because I feel like they advertised falsely to my impressionable wide-eyed pubescent self.

2666
03:43:57,247 --> 03:44:05,507
And, you know, even though I love that movie now, like you said, I've got, what, six versions of it on my DVD shelf, but I don't know.

2667
03:44:05,547 --> 03:44:09,747
There's no sex in the Void Confirm, and I'm very disappointed by that.

2668
03:44:10,347 --> 03:44:11,367
Confession Time?

2669
03:44:11,587 --> 03:44:12,507
Yeah.

2670
03:44:12,947 --> 03:44:17,587
Eighty-five percent of that movie is boring as shit to me, and it hurts it.

2671
03:44:17,987 --> 03:44:20,347
So, you know, I'm not a huge fan of Blade Runner.

2672
03:44:20,367 --> 03:44:21,307
I'm just throwing it out there.

2673
03:44:23,367 --> 03:44:24,667
That's why the thought of a Blade Runner sequel.

2674
03:44:24,687 --> 03:44:27,887
Sometimes I think there's something fundamentally wrong, Gary.

2675
03:44:28,487 --> 03:44:29,667
I just, I'm just bored, right?

2676
03:44:29,687 --> 03:44:31,307
Maybe I watched it at the wrong time or something.

2677
03:44:31,327 --> 03:44:32,787
I just, I just never went back to it.

2678
03:44:33,307 --> 03:44:34,187
And never went back to it.

2679
03:44:34,207 --> 03:44:40,067
The whole Cronenberg remark that you made earlier, now this, there's something seriously wrong.

2680
03:44:40,087 --> 03:44:41,427
Yeah, something's going on here, man.

2681
03:44:43,287 --> 03:44:50,047
I think eventually on the last episode of The Beef, we're just gonna start throwing shit at each other, like fucking primates, stuff like that, you know.

2682
03:44:51,047 --> 03:44:51,767
No, you're wrong.

2683
03:44:53,607 --> 03:44:54,227
Fuck you.

2684
03:44:56,027 --> 03:44:57,947
We're just gonna get to my beefs.

2685
03:44:57,967 --> 03:44:59,027
God damn, you guys are gonna shit.

2686
03:44:59,047 --> 03:44:59,567
I don't know, man.

2687
03:45:02,227 --> 03:45:05,347
God, just something I never really enjoyed all that much.

2688
03:45:05,367 --> 03:45:06,987
I mean, the parts of Rutger Hauer were fun.

2689
03:45:07,507 --> 03:45:08,547
Rutger Hauer.

2690
03:45:09,887 --> 03:45:10,547
Rutger Hauer.

2691
03:45:11,167 --> 03:45:12,487
Rutger Hauer for fun.

2692
03:45:14,587 --> 03:45:15,687
Darryl Hannah was hot.

2693
03:45:15,687 --> 03:45:18,247
Sean Young was not in stripes.

2694
03:45:18,247 --> 03:45:22,047
I wasn't a huge fan, but, you know, to each their own, you know.

2695
03:45:22,067 --> 03:45:25,687
Yeah, I just didn't like all that much.

2696
03:45:25,707 --> 03:45:32,627
And I need to watch it again, apparently, to try to fix that and not be so bored and, you know, whatever.

2697
03:45:33,987 --> 03:45:34,927
But next beef, sir.

2698
03:45:35,107 --> 03:45:35,467
Maybe.

2699
03:45:35,827 --> 03:45:37,327
Maybe now that's up to you.

2700
03:45:37,347 --> 03:45:45,827
The next beef is one Jamie already knows about because we've discussed it at length, but Friday the 13th, part two is the worst horror sequel of all time.

2701
03:45:45,847 --> 03:45:50,187
I don't know if you want to get into this tonight, Jamie.

2702
03:45:50,307 --> 03:45:52,727
Just let me just go for it.

2703
03:45:53,407 --> 03:45:56,347
We're talking about this.

2704
03:45:58,447 --> 03:45:59,507
I raged off.

2705
03:46:05,107 --> 03:46:05,547
Off the air.

2706
03:46:08,827 --> 03:46:11,427
I'm kind of chill right now, so you can go ahead.

2707
03:46:11,447 --> 03:46:16,507
I have blue wax and steam.

2708
03:46:17,787 --> 03:46:33,387
I enjoy the Friday the 13th franchise, but I'm kind of like of two minds about it, just because when I look at it from my point of view, which I feel to be rational, I know everyone thinks their point of view is rational, but I'm of course correct.

2709
03:46:38,227 --> 03:46:39,747
Those movies should not exist.

2710
03:46:39,887 --> 03:46:42,427
There's no way that that's even possible.

2711
03:46:43,727 --> 03:46:45,487
Jason is dead.

2712
03:46:45,507 --> 03:46:49,567
He is a child when he's dead.

2713
03:46:52,647 --> 03:47:03,967
So him showing up at Alice's house at the beginning, you know, wearing fucking combat boots is silly.

2714
03:47:03,987 --> 03:47:07,207
I don't know.

2715
03:47:09,107 --> 03:47:19,987
To me, the whole thing revolves around the fact that I think Jenny kind of dreamed him back to life and made him appear again and kill a bunch of people.

2716
03:47:20,027 --> 03:47:22,527
And I just think that that's stupid.

2717
03:47:22,527 --> 03:47:27,347
So I don't think rationally that franchise shouldn't even exist.

2718
03:47:27,347 --> 03:47:35,467
Now, if they had gone ahead and made Alice the killer, like they were originally going to for the sequel, that would have been cool because she's really little.

2719
03:47:35,487 --> 03:47:39,747
And I kind of want to see her, you know, holding a machete or a katana like a lot.

2720
03:47:40,347 --> 03:47:47,727
But no, the whole thing was Jason and all the other theories about it.

2721
03:47:47,747 --> 03:47:50,807
No, like if he hadn't, no, maybe he didn't really drown.

2722
03:47:50,827 --> 03:47:53,367
He watched his mother being murdered.

2723
03:47:53,387 --> 03:48:07,067
That's bullshit because why would he stay in the fucking forest for goddamn, you know, what, 20, 22 years and just ramble himself?

2724
03:48:09,867 --> 03:48:10,327
I just.

2725
03:48:11,067 --> 03:48:13,027
Well, I can't really argue with any of that.

2726
03:48:13,107 --> 03:48:21,087
I mean, I have said for a long time, I wanted to make a fan film called Friday the 13th, 1.5.

2727
03:48:22,587 --> 03:48:34,047
That basically details Jason's traveling to Alice's house because, I mean, what did he deliver up in the phone book?

2728
03:48:34,367 --> 03:48:36,727
How the fuck did he find her in GPS?

2729
03:48:37,007 --> 03:48:41,407
Is he like going to local stores, holding up a drawing that he made of her going with her?

2730
03:48:42,067 --> 03:48:43,447
You know, can he read?

2731
03:48:49,427 --> 03:48:53,027
It makes not one lick of sense and I cannot argue with that.

2732
03:48:53,047 --> 03:49:00,967
I just think it's a fun movie to me, but it really is logistically, no.

2733
03:49:00,987 --> 03:49:02,567
I've used this argument before, okay.

2734
03:49:02,967 --> 03:49:06,607
I call him my Tomax in the Zam Mock Theory because, you know, he feels as his brother feels.

2735
03:49:07,587 --> 03:49:12,707
Maybe when, you know, this is where he's had her head cut off, you know, that small time where she could still see.

2736
03:49:13,207 --> 03:49:19,567
Maybe she was looking through the eyes of Jason and then he saw his killer and then knew what she knew about this person.

2737
03:49:19,567 --> 03:49:24,627
And then, you know, I'm just I'm just spit fire in here, you know, but I need I need an explanation.

2738
03:49:24,647 --> 03:49:30,247
What kind of original Star Trek series bullshit is that?

2739
03:49:31,667 --> 03:49:32,527
That's GI.

2740
03:49:32,547 --> 03:49:34,467
Joe, Tomax and Zam Mock, okay?

2741
03:49:36,307 --> 03:49:37,167
Tomax?

2742
03:49:37,207 --> 03:49:39,407
I thought that was like an athlete's foot medicine.

2743
03:49:39,427 --> 03:49:40,647
I didn't know what that was.

2744
03:49:44,587 --> 03:49:46,047
It's Tomax in reverse.

2745
03:49:47,047 --> 03:49:51,147
And those are the those are the those are the Cobra Crimson Twins.

2746
03:49:51,167 --> 03:49:58,367
And the gag is when one would get hit, the other brother would feel the pain.

2747
03:49:58,427 --> 03:49:59,867
Did Jimmy Hart manage them?

2748
03:50:00,747 --> 03:50:04,787
He should have, you know.

2749
03:50:04,807 --> 03:50:07,727
OK, so they were the Corsican brothers anyway.

2750
03:50:08,547 --> 03:50:10,667
Yes, they were much cooler, more debonair.

2751
03:50:11,387 --> 03:50:13,047
That's that's that wasn't hard.

2752
03:50:13,667 --> 03:50:15,707
And nobody likes the Corsican brothers.

2753
03:50:15,727 --> 03:50:17,487
OK, yeah, nobody does.

2754
03:50:17,547 --> 03:50:18,307
That was horrible.

2755
03:50:20,947 --> 03:50:21,947
I have one last beef.

2756
03:50:22,727 --> 03:50:25,567
And it is the entire Paranormal Activity franchise.

2757
03:50:26,647 --> 03:50:28,107
What is this?

2758
03:50:29,207 --> 03:50:35,447
Only in America will we pay good money to sit inside a theater and watch surveillance footage waiting for a payoff.

2759
03:50:36,127 --> 03:50:36,907
And we'll begin it.

2760
03:50:37,107 --> 03:50:38,527
It's cabinets opening.

2761
03:50:39,167 --> 03:50:39,747
No shit.

2762
03:50:39,767 --> 03:50:40,947
This fucking happened.

2763
03:50:40,967 --> 03:50:42,047
I love the first one.

2764
03:50:42,107 --> 03:50:42,427
No.

2765
03:50:42,447 --> 03:50:44,827
Why don't we just call it Going to Ikea?

2766
03:50:47,207 --> 03:50:47,647
Oh, no.

2767
03:50:47,667 --> 03:50:48,927
The first one is scary.

2768
03:50:49,847 --> 03:50:50,647
I mean, I don't know.

2769
03:50:50,667 --> 03:50:52,327
I saw it three times in theater.

2770
03:50:54,507 --> 03:50:54,927
Yeah.

2771
03:50:54,947 --> 03:50:56,207
And well, it was because I went.

2772
03:50:56,647 --> 03:50:57,467
I watched it here.

2773
03:50:57,487 --> 03:50:58,387
I watched it at home.

2774
03:50:58,407 --> 03:50:59,507
And then I went to New York.

2775
03:50:59,887 --> 03:51:02,667
And while I was in New York, I was with some friends and they wanted to go see it.

2776
03:51:05,547 --> 03:51:07,927
And then somehow I saw it for the first time.

2777
03:51:07,947 --> 03:51:11,447
But anyway, it was watching the audience react to it.

2778
03:51:11,467 --> 03:51:13,547
It was just, it was incredible to me.

2779
03:51:13,567 --> 03:51:14,767
It was a really fun experience.

2780
03:51:15,107 --> 03:51:22,467
The first time I saw it, you know what scared me the most out of that movie was that one scene in the middle of the night where suddenly the hall light flips on.

2781
03:51:22,967 --> 03:51:24,967
And then a couple seconds later, it flips back off.

2782
03:51:25,227 --> 03:51:28,007
That freaked me out more than anything.

2783
03:51:28,027 --> 03:51:31,167
That was the one thing that stuck in my mind.

2784
03:51:31,747 --> 03:51:33,587
It just freaked me out.

2785
03:51:33,607 --> 03:51:38,527
And there's not even anything dangerous about that or, you know, like, ooh, the hall light.

2786
03:51:38,547 --> 03:51:41,367
But it just, I don't know, it just freaks me out.

2787
03:51:41,387 --> 03:51:45,107
Thinking about all the shit that can be happening when you're not aware of it, when you're sleeping.

2788
03:51:45,567 --> 03:51:46,567
You know, I don't know.

2789
03:51:46,587 --> 03:51:48,067
I mean, I dig it.

2790
03:51:49,087 --> 03:51:50,567
They did get stupid.

2791
03:51:51,707 --> 03:52:05,287
It turned into this weird story arc about, you know, like bad adoptions and kidnappings and that Latino coven of naked women with horcruxes and Xboxes.

2792
03:52:05,647 --> 03:52:07,027
It's just, it's a shambles.

2793
03:52:07,387 --> 03:52:09,027
Horcruxes.

2794
03:52:12,567 --> 03:52:13,487
And you know what?

2795
03:52:13,507 --> 03:52:19,067
And that's the best one of the series, I think, because no one's seen The Ghost Dimension and never got a real proper release.

2796
03:52:19,687 --> 03:52:20,527
We saw it.

2797
03:52:21,587 --> 03:52:21,987
Did you?

2798
03:52:22,007 --> 03:52:23,687
I don't even think it showed up here.

2799
03:52:25,167 --> 03:52:31,827
I made him, because I had seen all the other paranormal activities in the theater, even though I hated the fourth one, I was OK with the marked ones.

2800
03:52:31,887 --> 03:52:33,787
And then I was like, well, I've seen them all.

2801
03:52:33,807 --> 03:52:34,607
I'll have to see this one.

2802
03:52:34,627 --> 03:52:37,327
And Brian's like, ah, he didn't want to go.

2803
03:52:37,347 --> 03:52:40,167
And then it was so bad.

2804
03:52:40,167 --> 03:52:42,127
It's so bad.

2805
03:52:42,267 --> 03:52:44,287
Like, really, really fucking bad.

2806
03:52:44,307 --> 03:52:49,707
I mean, because the biggest mistake you could make in a movie like that is trying to show the ghost.

2807
03:52:50,047 --> 03:52:51,907
And that's exactly what this movie was all about.

2808
03:52:51,927 --> 03:52:53,047
It was showing the ghost.

2809
03:52:54,907 --> 03:52:55,507
Stupid.

2810
03:52:55,587 --> 03:52:59,127
I'll get into that when I get into my beef, see?

2811
03:52:59,987 --> 03:53:03,787
See, and the thing is, I think The March Ones is probably the best one of the series.

2812
03:53:03,807 --> 03:53:08,627
But even that reminded me a lot of, you ever see Stay Proud with Robbie Benson?

2813
03:53:08,647 --> 03:53:13,667
It reminded me a lot of that, where he plays like a Latino gang member, and it's Robbie Benson.

2814
03:53:13,687 --> 03:53:14,427
Fuck you, what?

2815
03:53:19,127 --> 03:53:27,107
Anyway, yeah, I just don't understand how they made a friggin, is it five movie arc out of this?

2816
03:53:27,127 --> 03:53:32,027
Because to me, it's as entertaining as being the security guard at a bank.

2817
03:53:33,147 --> 03:53:34,487
Six if you count The March Ones.

2818
03:53:34,827 --> 03:53:36,707
Oh my goodness, okay.

2819
03:53:36,847 --> 03:53:38,247
Because it's between four and five.

2820
03:53:38,307 --> 03:53:39,767
And I like The March Ones too.

2821
03:53:39,827 --> 03:53:45,307
I really thought that was, it's really cool things, and it was a little bit different from the other ones.

2822
03:53:45,527 --> 03:53:50,027
Yeah, it's just hard to parse together into one coherent story.

2823
03:53:50,047 --> 03:53:51,567
And maybe it's not a coherent story.

2824
03:53:51,587 --> 03:53:54,807
Maybe it's just, you know, six movies about cabinet refinishing.

2825
03:53:54,827 --> 03:53:55,227
I don't know.

2826
03:53:55,807 --> 03:54:01,107
Well, the last one does attempt to wrap everything up.

2827
03:54:01,167 --> 03:54:11,287
It's just, so if you get the opportunity to like, if you fall into it, then I would say watch it just because you've seen all the other ones and you see how they attempt to wrap everything up.

2828
03:54:13,827 --> 03:54:15,787
And I am a completist.

2829
03:54:15,807 --> 03:54:19,347
I will watch it, unfortunately.

2830
03:54:19,927 --> 03:54:22,587
Anyway, yeah, those are my beef.

2831
03:54:22,607 --> 03:54:25,707
I skipped Resurrection for a long time, so I'm OK.

2832
03:54:25,787 --> 03:54:27,067
You know, how was Resurrection?

2833
03:54:29,547 --> 03:54:31,407
It's OK that you did that.

2834
03:54:36,627 --> 03:54:38,527
How could you resist Busta Bust?

2835
03:54:39,087 --> 03:54:40,767
Because, you know, Flip Road is the greatest.

2836
03:54:43,187 --> 03:54:44,647
He's got you all in check.

2837
03:54:45,167 --> 03:54:45,727
He does.

2838
03:54:51,227 --> 03:54:52,887
What is your three greatest film beefs, girl?

2839
03:54:53,287 --> 03:54:55,507
OK, well, you know, I...

2840
03:54:55,527 --> 03:54:57,167
Apparently, I misunderstood the assignment.

2841
03:54:57,967 --> 03:55:03,427
Because I was thinking like film beefs in general, like what you hate in film.

2842
03:55:04,067 --> 03:55:06,667
I got a lot of that too in the messages, so it's OK.

2843
03:55:07,287 --> 03:55:15,167
But that's OK because while we were talking, I quickly figured it out because it's really not that hard for me.

2844
03:55:15,187 --> 03:55:18,967
I mean, there are things that stick out that I've always hated and I knew what they were right away.

2845
03:55:18,987 --> 03:55:27,327
So starting that off, we have Aliens, which is really no secret how I feel about that movie.

2846
03:55:28,227 --> 03:55:28,987
I'm not a fan.

2847
03:55:29,367 --> 03:55:36,467
And I think that it is serviceable as an action film, even though I really hate the characters.

2848
03:55:36,867 --> 03:55:41,307
And Brian made me watch The Director's Cut a while back.

2849
03:55:41,327 --> 03:55:46,167
He likes it a lot, but he made me watch The Director's Cut and I didn't think I was ever going to make it through that.

2850
03:55:46,187 --> 03:55:49,547
I mean, oh my God, it was such a jerk-off movie.

2851
03:55:49,567 --> 03:55:51,107
I'm like, Cameron, you can suck it.

2852
03:55:51,127 --> 03:55:54,347
I'm just, ugh, ugh, don't do that.

2853
03:55:54,367 --> 03:55:56,867
Like, even if you like the movie, don't watch The Director's Cut.

2854
03:55:56,887 --> 03:55:57,427
Jesus Christ.

2855
03:55:59,427 --> 03:56:05,667
But the reason that I have such an irk in that film is very simple.

2856
03:56:05,887 --> 03:56:06,727
It's very simple.

2857
03:56:06,747 --> 03:56:10,987
It's because Alien is one of my all-time favorite horror films.

2858
03:56:11,647 --> 03:56:13,547
And I think it's incredibly scary.

2859
03:56:13,567 --> 03:56:27,327
And I think, you know, what was created along with, I mean, apart from the acting and the direction and the story, you've got Jerry Goldsmith's amazing score that just brought the whole thing to life.

2860
03:56:28,907 --> 03:56:31,767
It got me when I was little.

2861
03:56:31,787 --> 03:56:39,307
For years, I couldn't eat spaghetti after that whole dinner table scene.

2862
03:56:41,007 --> 03:56:42,807
And it affected me.

2863
03:56:42,987 --> 03:56:52,787
And even now watching it, when we're watching the whole crawling through the air ducts and you're watching the blips on the monitor thing, to me that is one of the most frightening moments in my history.

2864
03:56:52,987 --> 03:56:54,807
It is so incredibly effective.

2865
03:56:54,987 --> 03:56:55,587
I love it.

2866
03:56:56,327 --> 03:57:11,107
And then for Cameron to come along and turn this amazing horror film, turn the sequel to that into just a big blum of action movie, it just pissed me off.

2867
03:57:11,367 --> 03:57:15,007
It really did because it makes me angry.

2868
03:57:15,607 --> 03:57:17,927
And I really just don't like the characters.

2869
03:57:18,527 --> 03:57:23,747
The dialogue is bad, I think, and I just don't enjoy it at all.

2870
03:57:23,767 --> 03:57:24,827
And I like action films.

2871
03:57:24,847 --> 03:57:28,207
I don't have anything against action films.

2872
03:57:28,227 --> 03:57:32,027
I love action films, all kinds of action films.

2873
03:57:33,067 --> 03:57:39,047
But for that one in particular, I just don't like it at all, maybe a little bit.

2874
03:57:39,247 --> 03:57:41,127
So there's that.

2875
03:57:43,227 --> 03:57:47,847
Another one, and it's very similar, and people have probably heard me talk about this one, too, is Evil Dead 2.

2876
03:57:49,067 --> 03:57:51,267
And everyone loves Evil Dead 2.

2877
03:57:51,287 --> 03:57:54,227
I'm like the only person in the world that doesn't love Evil Dead 2.

2878
03:57:55,007 --> 03:58:05,367
And I got so pissed off the other day because there was a list on YouTube of sequels that are better than the original, and they named Evil Dead 2, and I was just wanted to just, oh, they also named Aliens.

2879
03:58:05,387 --> 03:58:07,927
And that list made me want to set things on fire.

2880
03:58:07,947 --> 03:58:15,727
I'm like, even if you like Aliens, even if you really, really, really like that film, how can you possibly say it's better than Alien?

2881
03:58:15,747 --> 03:58:16,747
I just don't understand.

2882
03:58:16,767 --> 03:58:20,727
I don't think Evil Dead 2 is better than Evil Dead 1.

2883
03:58:20,747 --> 03:58:25,187
I always thought of Evil Dead 2 as Evil Dead 1 on a budget.

2884
03:58:25,727 --> 03:58:28,847
If you mean, with a budget, I mean.

2885
03:58:28,867 --> 03:58:37,107
Yeah, and I see that, but also Evil Dead, Evil Dead is scary to me.

2886
03:58:37,127 --> 03:58:39,427
It's like a legitimately frightening film.

2887
03:58:40,107 --> 03:58:54,707
And I kept, after we watched that as kids, I kept my best friend up many nights, like doing that whole laughter thing, you know, like, or doing the car-counting thing, and she would not be able to sleep, and I had a great deal of fun with that.

2888
03:58:55,947 --> 03:58:57,587
To me, it was legitimately frightening.

2889
03:58:57,887 --> 03:59:03,047
And Evil Dead 2 just tosses every bit of that out the window for a bunch of slapstick.

2890
03:59:03,067 --> 03:59:09,487
And I don't have a problem with slapstick in general, but that slapstick gets old really fast to me and gets really boring.

2891
03:59:09,807 --> 03:59:12,347
And I get very sick of it really fast.

2892
03:59:12,367 --> 03:59:19,467
And it's probably because I love the original so much and it's so different.

2893
03:59:20,487 --> 03:59:24,107
But oddly enough, I love Army of Darkness, so I don't know, figure that out.

2894
03:59:24,627 --> 03:59:31,607
It's just, I think by the time we got to Army of Darkness, I was ready, I had reconciled with it.

2895
03:59:32,327 --> 03:59:43,247
But because Evil Dead was so frightening to me, when I was really excited when Evil Dead 2 was coming out, I still have the issue of Bangoria with Evil Dead 2.

2896
03:59:44,487 --> 03:59:46,447
And I was super, super excited.

2897
03:59:46,467 --> 03:59:48,987
I read that, I don't have the original one that I had.

2898
03:59:49,007 --> 03:59:50,307
I got a reprint of it.

2899
03:59:50,367 --> 03:59:55,567
But the original one was shredded because I read it front to back so many times.

2900
03:59:55,727 --> 03:59:58,947
And I was just so incredibly excited about that movie coming out.

2901
03:59:58,967 --> 04:00:04,327
And then when it did, I was so angry because it was so different from the first one.

2902
04:00:05,027 --> 04:00:08,587
And then, you know, we did a lot of things from the first one.

2903
04:00:09,087 --> 04:00:13,087
I didn't like the way it was done, that it didn't like the things that were cut out and the things that were added.

2904
04:00:13,107 --> 04:00:13,807
I just didn't like it.

2905
04:00:13,967 --> 04:00:16,147
So, bleh.

2906
04:00:16,167 --> 04:00:18,767
And then the other one is High Tension.

2907
04:00:19,147 --> 04:00:24,707
And I loved the movie up until the very last bit.

2908
04:00:25,527 --> 04:00:29,887
And then I want to drive over to Alexander Aj's house and slap him in the face.

2909
04:00:30,507 --> 04:00:41,127
Because I feel like what he had was a beautifully put together, really organically violent film.

2910
04:00:41,987 --> 04:00:43,507
And it was very visceral.

2911
04:00:43,847 --> 04:00:47,967
And you have this fantastic character that was just so grizzly.

2912
04:00:48,507 --> 04:00:50,727
I don't know.

2913
04:00:50,967 --> 04:00:52,367
I love the way it played out.

2914
04:00:52,387 --> 04:00:53,367
I love everything about it.

2915
04:00:53,407 --> 04:00:59,287
And then I just can't get past the fact that the whole thing was tacked onto me.

2916
04:00:59,607 --> 04:01:02,647
Every time I've seen it, I try to see past it.

2917
04:01:02,927 --> 04:01:11,507
I've tried to see ways, or, you know, places where it looks like it was planned from the beginning, and I just can't find it.

2918
04:01:11,527 --> 04:01:12,847
I just don't see it.

2919
04:01:13,827 --> 04:01:21,107
To this day, it's been so tacked on and so made up that it just pisses me off.

2920
04:01:21,767 --> 04:01:30,207
Because I think if he had left that part, if he'd left the ending out, then that would be a perfect film.

2921
04:01:30,227 --> 04:01:31,587
Like, I would have no issue with it.

2922
04:01:32,487 --> 04:01:37,047
To me, it's like you're driving along in the Autobahn and you're going super fast.

2923
04:01:37,067 --> 04:01:40,547
You're going as fast as you want because it's fucking Autobahn and no one can tell you what to do.

2924
04:01:40,847 --> 04:01:45,807
And the wind is blowing through your hair and you're having a fantastic time and then suddenly you drive off a fucking cliff.

2925
04:01:46,147 --> 04:01:48,127
That's what it feels like to me.

2926
04:01:48,147 --> 04:01:51,147
And I'm not shitting on Mr.

2927
04:01:51,167 --> 04:01:56,107
Hitchcock at all, but I've always resented the end of Psycho for a lot of reasons.

2928
04:01:56,827 --> 04:02:04,587
Not the very end, but the end where you get five minutes of them talking about why Norman is the way he is.

2929
04:02:04,607 --> 04:02:09,387
I didn't need that in Psycho, and I don't apologize for it either.

2930
04:02:09,407 --> 04:02:15,407
Well, I don't, and I see that, but I think 1960 audiences may have needed that.

2931
04:02:18,387 --> 04:02:20,507
Most of those people back then didn't know or didn't know that.

2932
04:02:21,007 --> 04:02:24,207
Yeah, but still, I just kind of resented it for that.

2933
04:02:25,027 --> 04:02:26,507
Even today, I kind of resented it for that.

2934
04:02:28,207 --> 04:02:33,787
The tacked-out ending of High Tension, it was mentioned by somebody else that sent us a message.

2935
04:02:33,807 --> 04:02:35,867
Uh-huh.

2936
04:02:35,887 --> 04:02:39,987
Hey, we're lesbians, and I'm badly in love with you, so I kill everybody.

2937
04:02:45,787 --> 04:02:46,367
Yeah.

2938
04:02:46,387 --> 04:02:48,527
And I totally get what you're saying.

2939
04:02:49,307 --> 04:02:55,847
Even if they felt it was necessary for the audience to psycho, to me, that has always been a very clumsy exposition.

2940
04:02:57,027 --> 04:02:58,007
But to be fair...

2941
04:02:58,027 --> 04:02:59,607
I love the film, but...

2942
04:02:59,627 --> 04:03:04,447
There are better Hitchcock films than Psycho in this humble podcaster's opinion, you know?

2943
04:03:05,207 --> 04:03:06,527
I agree with that.

2944
04:03:06,707 --> 04:03:08,307
I love it.

2945
04:03:08,327 --> 04:03:08,867
I love it.

2946
04:03:09,107 --> 04:03:12,727
But there are better Hitchcock films in that movie.

2947
04:03:12,747 --> 04:03:18,347
X has been really quiet during all of my dumping here.

2948
04:03:20,907 --> 04:03:23,147
I really like all those movies that you don't.

2949
04:03:25,687 --> 04:03:31,827
I knew if you don't speak up, then you're just not agreeing with me.

2950
04:03:34,967 --> 04:03:38,927
I don't like James Cameron as a director or a human being, frankly.

2951
04:03:39,247 --> 04:03:40,707
I don't either.

2952
04:03:40,727 --> 04:03:45,127
No, he's just a pretentious bastard ass.

2953
04:03:45,747 --> 04:03:47,067
But I really...

2954
04:03:48,947 --> 04:03:49,927
A bastard ass.

2955
04:03:50,447 --> 04:03:55,467
I really enjoyed the characters in Aliens so much that I named my kid after one of them.

2956
04:03:55,887 --> 04:03:57,767
Oh, that's right.

2957
04:03:57,867 --> 04:03:58,567
Ouch, I'm sorry.

2958
04:03:58,767 --> 04:03:59,967
No, it's cool.

2959
04:04:01,387 --> 04:04:03,247
You don't have to like the movie or my kid.

2960
04:04:04,667 --> 04:04:05,007
I do.

2961
04:04:05,607 --> 04:04:06,507
I also really like...

2962
04:04:06,567 --> 04:04:09,347
I have a high tension shirt that I wear often.

2963
04:04:10,927 --> 04:04:11,507
I do.

2964
04:04:11,527 --> 04:04:12,327
I just don't like...

2965
04:04:13,267 --> 04:04:15,147
I didn't take it felt tacked on.

2966
04:04:15,167 --> 04:04:15,907
I really didn't.

2967
04:04:15,947 --> 04:04:21,727
And come on, we've had a lot of movies where somebody was repressed that have ended up being the killer.

2968
04:04:21,747 --> 04:04:23,107
I mean, it's a trope.

2969
04:04:23,607 --> 04:04:24,947
I realize that, but I didn't...

2970
04:04:24,967 --> 04:04:26,547
I didn't think it was...

2971
04:04:26,587 --> 04:04:28,327
I just don't think if you go...

2972
04:04:29,447 --> 04:04:30,027
I just don't...

2973
04:04:30,047 --> 04:04:33,247
No, I just think if you go back through the film, it doesn't fit.

2974
04:04:33,967 --> 04:04:37,567
There are so many things that have happened throughout the film.

2975
04:04:37,587 --> 04:04:39,487
To me, it just doesn't blend.

2976
04:04:39,507 --> 04:04:40,267
It doesn't fit.

2977
04:04:40,327 --> 04:04:41,727
It doesn't work.

2978
04:04:42,067 --> 04:04:44,287
I just don't see it being believable.

2979
04:04:45,627 --> 04:04:46,607
That's kind of the thing.

2980
04:04:47,467 --> 04:04:55,187
This is kind of like dead at 10 Cloverfield Lane, and I have my hands up against the side of my head when I say this, because aliens.

2981
04:04:55,507 --> 04:04:58,427
You know, I just seem to be attacked out of either, too, you know?

2982
04:05:05,327 --> 04:05:05,847
It's true.

2983
04:05:09,247 --> 04:05:10,127
But you know what, though?

2984
04:05:10,147 --> 04:05:15,147
I mean, I agree with you to an extent about Evil Dead 2, although don't get me wrong, I fucking love that movie.

2985
04:05:15,347 --> 04:05:16,867
But it took me a long time.

2986
04:05:17,547 --> 04:05:21,427
But it took me a long time to get to where I could because I was like you.

2987
04:05:21,447 --> 04:05:24,227
The first time I saw Evil Dead, I was horrified.

2988
04:05:24,247 --> 04:05:25,447
It really freaked me out.

2989
04:05:25,967 --> 04:05:30,687
And I saw Evil Dead 2 in the theater when it came out, and I was like, why is this a three stooges movie?

2990
04:05:31,427 --> 04:05:35,227
What's with the eye poking and the boinking and the waka waka?

2991
04:05:35,247 --> 04:05:36,727
I don't know what's going on.

2992
04:05:37,207 --> 04:05:43,227
So it took me a few, you know, it took me a few watches to really understand what he was trying to do.

2993
04:05:43,907 --> 04:05:59,627
And I'm not sure I still fully understand it, but it's one of those movies to me that you kind of understand it on a subconscious level without like dialogue or things that you would normally use in film.

2994
04:06:00,387 --> 04:06:02,207
So I understand it.

2995
04:06:02,247 --> 04:06:03,327
I understand it.

2996
04:06:03,347 --> 04:06:05,347
I like this very base level.

2997
04:06:05,687 --> 04:06:09,067
And that's where I really, that's why I really enjoy it, because I don't have to think about it.

2998
04:06:09,087 --> 04:06:09,547
I don't have to.

2999
04:06:09,567 --> 04:06:12,087
I don't care what your Canadian demon it is.

3000
04:06:12,107 --> 04:06:13,467
I'm just like, look at that shit.

3001
04:06:13,487 --> 04:06:14,167
That's crazy.

3002
04:06:14,347 --> 04:06:15,807
How big is this cabin?

3003
04:06:17,287 --> 04:06:19,727
So yeah, I really, I really enjoy it on that line.

3004
04:06:19,847 --> 04:06:26,727
But at the same time, I think you're, you know, your opinions well, well put, and I can't really fault it too much.

3005
04:06:26,747 --> 04:06:29,567
So I respect your opinion.

3006
04:06:39,747 --> 04:06:47,707
But yay for the Cameron Haight, because I'm not, I am not a, I like Terminator and I like The Abyss.

3007
04:06:48,567 --> 04:06:52,327
But Cameron, as I'm a whole, oh my god.

3008
04:06:52,347 --> 04:07:00,627
And then of course, I guess if you guys heard that they're planning on four sequels to, what the fuck is that?

3009
04:07:00,647 --> 04:07:00,887
Avatar.

3010
04:07:00,907 --> 04:07:01,547
Pocahontas.

3011
04:07:01,927 --> 04:07:02,767
That's what I'm course.

3012
04:07:04,907 --> 04:07:05,207
Avatar.

3013
04:07:05,227 --> 04:07:08,547
Avatar, yeah.

3014
04:07:08,727 --> 04:07:08,827
Four.

3015
04:07:08,847 --> 04:07:09,927
I never saw Avatar.

3016
04:07:10,747 --> 04:07:12,287
I don't want to see Avatar.

3017
04:07:12,307 --> 04:07:14,447
I don't need to see Avatar.

3018
04:07:14,467 --> 04:07:16,607
To be honest, I never did either.

3019
04:07:16,647 --> 04:07:19,767
And everyone's like, you need to, I'm like, no, one, I don't like Cameron.

3020
04:07:20,087 --> 04:07:23,027
Two, I don't give a shit about the spectacle of it all.

3021
04:07:23,267 --> 04:07:24,247
And I really don't.

3022
04:07:24,927 --> 04:07:27,667
And I knew the story.

3023
04:07:28,187 --> 04:07:33,027
And I was like, that story has been, it was firm gully, you know?

3024
04:07:34,687 --> 04:07:42,527
And so basically, it was just, I'm going to use the story that has been told many, many times, and I'm going to show you just how amazing I am with the special effects.

3025
04:07:42,547 --> 04:07:43,727
But I don't need that.

3026
04:07:43,987 --> 04:07:46,007
And I don't like the man.

3027
04:07:46,027 --> 04:07:47,267
I don't like the man's movies.

3028
04:07:47,587 --> 04:07:51,987
Titanic is one of the veins of my existence.

3029
04:07:53,487 --> 04:07:54,767
I just, I don't need it.

3030
04:07:54,827 --> 04:07:57,667
So I damn sure I wasn't going to support it.

3031
04:07:58,687 --> 04:08:00,127
Titanic is just...

3032
04:08:00,247 --> 04:08:01,127
Not like he needs me.

3033
04:08:02,207 --> 04:08:03,607
Yeah, yeah, he doesn't need me.

3034
04:08:03,627 --> 04:08:08,987
He's got millions of lonely housewives, you know, paying to see Titanic.

3035
04:08:10,167 --> 04:08:16,487
Oh, I wish I could have a cute little lover that would fucking just freeze to death and die.

3036
04:08:16,507 --> 04:08:17,747
And I could wave goodbye to him.

3037
04:08:17,947 --> 04:08:20,147
But he drew me like one of his French girls.

3038
04:08:20,167 --> 04:08:25,907
And now I've got this fucking diamond I need to throw back in the ocean for no goddamn reason.

3039
04:08:27,767 --> 04:08:33,047
I'm sorry, did Kate Winslet and Leonardo seem very mismatched at that point in his life?

3040
04:08:33,347 --> 04:08:37,047
To me, he just seemed really young for her.

3041
04:08:37,607 --> 04:08:39,067
I never thought they were believable.

3042
04:08:39,767 --> 04:08:42,587
Plus, I love Billy Zane and that whole thing.

3043
04:08:42,607 --> 04:08:44,047
I was like, Billy Zane!

3044
04:08:44,067 --> 04:08:46,227
But it's Billy Zane and he's got money.

3045
04:08:48,587 --> 04:08:52,147
The only good part about a Zoolander, too, was Billy Zane, I'm sorry.

3046
04:08:53,327 --> 04:08:55,647
Billy Zane is the only good thing in a lot of movies.

3047
04:08:59,987 --> 04:09:01,967
That's why we watch Demon Knight a lot.

3048
04:09:02,627 --> 04:09:05,187
Yes, because it's awesome, too.

3049
04:09:07,907 --> 04:09:08,327
Yes.

3050
04:09:10,627 --> 04:09:14,607
Best use of Hey Man Nice Shot ever, you know.

3051
04:09:15,347 --> 04:09:15,827
Yarp.

3052
04:09:16,967 --> 04:09:17,347
Yarp.

3053
04:09:19,867 --> 04:09:23,187
But my beef style, this is going to get controversial.

3054
04:09:23,887 --> 04:09:29,627
But one of my beefs, not directly, is the very first Scream.

3055
04:09:29,647 --> 04:09:31,907
Because I don't think it's a very good movie.

3056
04:09:32,387 --> 04:09:33,607
I like the first Scream.

3057
04:09:34,667 --> 04:09:36,987
I just hate the stuff that begat Scream.

3058
04:09:37,007 --> 04:09:43,187
But you cannot blame Scream for what came after.

3059
04:09:43,607 --> 04:09:44,967
I'm a firm believer in...

3060
04:09:46,467 --> 04:09:49,347
I'm a firm believer in the Ian Malcolm theory of...

3061
04:09:49,947 --> 04:09:50,867
They never thought that...

3062
04:09:50,867 --> 04:09:52,107
I forgot how the line goes.

3063
04:09:52,107 --> 04:09:54,787
And if I probably should remember, I've seen Jurassic Park like 14 times.

3064
04:09:55,127 --> 04:10:00,247
At least, they never thought if they could, but why they should.

3065
04:10:00,267 --> 04:10:01,887
You know, Scream happened.

3066
04:10:01,907 --> 04:10:04,127
And then the stuff that begat Scream.

3067
04:10:04,147 --> 04:10:05,327
Like I said, I hate non-Scream.

3068
04:10:05,827 --> 04:10:06,987
The stuff that begat Scream.

3069
04:10:07,007 --> 04:10:08,207
It's related to Scream, though.

3070
04:10:08,227 --> 04:10:12,187
Are you saying Scream switched genders, and then we got the Prom Night remake?

3071
04:10:13,187 --> 04:10:14,087
Yeah, yeah.

3072
04:10:15,147 --> 04:10:17,707
Although I do love Brittany Snow, so I'm torn.

3073
04:10:22,887 --> 04:10:30,387
Um, yeah, I know what you did last summer, and I'm one of the biggest Sarah Michelle Gellar fans, you know, and I didn't need that.

3074
04:10:30,767 --> 04:10:32,107
I didn't need Valentine.

3075
04:10:34,307 --> 04:10:35,807
Urban Legend I like, though.

3076
04:10:35,947 --> 04:10:36,967
Urban Legend was fair.

3077
04:10:36,987 --> 04:10:37,767
Yeah, I like that.

3078
04:10:38,527 --> 04:10:49,347
There was a couple of good ones that came out of that, and I would say that most of the screen sequels are a waste of time, in my opinion, you know.

3079
04:10:50,047 --> 04:10:52,407
I tried to watch them again recently, you know.

3080
04:10:53,227 --> 04:11:01,487
I don't know if the scary movie films took something away from that, because that tends to happen with me.

3081
04:11:01,507 --> 04:11:12,307
I can't watch Boys in the Hood with a straight face anymore because of Don't Be a Menace While Drinking Your Juice and Whoever in the Hood, wherever that way and Brother's Joint was, you know.

3082
04:11:13,047 --> 04:11:15,767
I can't watch with a straight face anymore just because of that movie.

3083
04:11:16,987 --> 04:11:34,427
Just like every time I see the scene where they're getting the gun out of the bathroom tub and into the Godfather, all I can think about is Jay Moore pulling random guns out of the thing and not being his, and then just gets covered with water.

3084
04:11:35,207 --> 04:11:37,907
And then in that mafia movie, the Zucker movie.

3085
04:11:38,947 --> 04:11:40,527
I had a Christina Applegate.

3086
04:11:41,187 --> 04:11:42,327
Yes, that one is.

3087
04:11:42,487 --> 04:11:46,627
Yeah, it's just the stuff that came after it.

3088
04:11:46,947 --> 04:11:49,687
Really, I think it hurt the genre.

3089
04:11:50,867 --> 04:11:53,727
And not, you know, in a real bad way.

3090
04:11:53,867 --> 04:11:54,947
I think it hurt the genre.

3091
04:11:55,647 --> 04:11:59,827
Because I hear people talk about how the 90s wasn't a real good time for horror.

3092
04:12:00,427 --> 04:12:08,847
But if you look at horror pre-1996, leading up to Scream, there were some real good gems in there.

3093
04:12:08,867 --> 04:12:10,407
And I think they're fucking bullshit.

3094
04:12:11,007 --> 04:12:13,967
Yeah, but it was few and far between.

3095
04:12:14,167 --> 04:12:17,767
And we weren't going to find anything good being released theatrically.

3096
04:12:18,207 --> 04:12:21,667
And the ones that were were disguised as thrillers.

3097
04:12:21,847 --> 04:12:25,027
No one wanted to use the H-word back then.

3098
04:12:25,407 --> 04:12:26,827
Scream made that happen again.

3099
04:12:31,187 --> 04:12:32,587
Oh, I'm not hating on Scream.

3100
04:12:32,607 --> 04:12:33,987
It's just the stuff that came after Scream.

3101
04:12:34,007 --> 04:12:35,967
And it's not their fault.

3102
04:12:35,987 --> 04:12:49,527
But if you look at the stuff that came out up to Scream from the 90s, and the stuff that came after Scream, I'm a big fan of Disturbed Behavior, but it is a remake of Dead Kids.

3103
04:12:50,387 --> 04:12:55,627
I've watched it recently, and I really enjoyed that a lot more than Disturbed Behavior.

3104
04:12:55,827 --> 04:12:57,887
Although, whatever.

3105
04:12:57,907 --> 04:13:00,427
I'm not going to say anything right about 90s horror.

3106
04:13:00,447 --> 04:13:07,807
It's just one of those things where the stuff that came after really kind of took me out of it.

3107
04:13:08,247 --> 04:13:11,627
UV is my favorite thing about Disturbed Behavior.

3108
04:13:11,927 --> 04:13:13,047
UV and Katie Holmes.

3109
04:13:19,927 --> 04:13:22,027
This is dark.

3110
04:13:23,027 --> 04:13:24,847
Yeah, it just kind of took me out of it.

3111
04:13:25,147 --> 04:13:31,427
It's one of those things where I just felt a little sulky as a horror fan.

3112
04:13:32,127 --> 04:13:36,807
But when that other garbage started to come out, I'm not a fan of the faculty.

3113
04:13:38,747 --> 04:13:39,947
It was the late 90s.

3114
04:13:39,967 --> 04:13:42,187
Everyone was sulky.

3115
04:13:42,587 --> 04:13:43,547
I wasn't that kind of kid.

3116
04:13:43,867 --> 04:13:46,767
God, I was sulky in the late 90s, and I was in my 30s.

3117
04:13:51,567 --> 04:14:00,327
I mean, just a lot of pretty people in these films, and people complained about the Carrier Remake, the one that came out with Chloe Moretz.

3118
04:14:00,567 --> 04:14:01,607
Oh, they were all so pretty.

3119
04:14:01,627 --> 04:14:02,687
I was one of those people.

3120
04:14:03,267 --> 04:14:07,267
But they were not really bitching about those other films that they came out to stream.

3121
04:14:07,287 --> 04:14:09,947
Like I know what you did last summer, where it was full of pretty people.

3122
04:14:11,887 --> 04:14:17,207
I was like, oh, you almost don't want nothing to happen to them, but this is a horror film, folks, and stuff needs to happen to them.

3123
04:14:17,227 --> 04:14:19,927
I want bad things to happen to them more.

3124
04:14:21,147 --> 04:14:26,127
I was going to say, I don't think I ever have I ever said, I don't want bad things to happen to pretty people.

3125
04:14:26,147 --> 04:14:29,127
Yeah, I never said, please don't hurt the pretty people.

3126
04:14:29,487 --> 04:14:32,547
I don't know what you're going to tell them, but we got those pretty people.

3127
04:14:33,767 --> 04:14:35,107
But that's the audience.

3128
04:14:35,127 --> 04:14:40,627
You got the audience that's over here, which is you guys, who's like kill all the motherfuckers.

3129
04:14:41,107 --> 04:14:47,347
And then you got the people, you know, and now, here I go again, talk the shit about the horror genre again.

3130
04:14:48,327 --> 04:14:56,287
Those other people who watched The Walking Dead, that they dumped it down for, you know, those people who don't want the pretty people to die.

3131
04:15:02,767 --> 04:15:17,307
Influencing the decisions of the writers and the other producers and the people that make the movies for that genre, to say, you know, okay, we're going to have this in there, but we're not going to include this because, you know what, it didn't do well with test audiences.

3132
04:15:18,147 --> 04:15:29,247
So we're not going to kill this person off here, we're going to leave this person alive, or whatever, what have you, because that does influence decisions of what happens in certain kinds of movies.

3133
04:15:31,167 --> 04:15:39,307
And that is unfortunate, but you know, and that is why Channing Tatum died, like 30 minutes into that GI.

3134
04:15:39,327 --> 04:15:43,367
Joe sequel, which is a film I enjoy, but you know, c'est la vie, you know.

3135
04:15:45,547 --> 04:15:47,047
Oh, not because Channing Tatum died.

3136
04:15:49,147 --> 04:15:50,867
I think that Channing Tatum is a fair actor.

3137
04:15:50,887 --> 04:15:58,107
If you want to watch a good movie with Channing Tatum, watch The Guide to Recognize New Saints and The Kid's Got Chops.

3138
04:15:58,447 --> 04:15:59,487
I'll say it all day long.

3139
04:15:59,507 --> 04:16:03,947
I'm still laughing at JB.

3140
04:16:03,967 --> 04:16:06,067
Segan, Robbie Neville in the background.

3141
04:16:06,327 --> 04:16:15,367
Thank you for picking that up.

3142
04:16:16,007 --> 04:16:27,127
Second film, Beef, would be, this is a film, I guess like a childhood torture thing to me, would be the film Dirty Dancing.

3143
04:16:27,327 --> 04:16:31,727
This is a film that my sister watched a lot when I was younger.

3144
04:16:32,267 --> 04:16:42,627
Me and my sister are three years apart, so when she was like nine years old when that came out, I was six, so that's a huge age gap.

3145
04:16:43,527 --> 04:16:55,827
People say, watch this, but this is a film about, in case you haven't seen Dirty Dancing, about a family who goes to this resort, not if they're going on vacation or not, but whatever.

3146
04:16:57,507 --> 04:17:08,607
Basically about this guy, Johnny, played by Patrick Swayze, the Swayze is those boys from Chewing It with Kevin and Steve.

3147
04:17:08,627 --> 04:17:09,787
They love that guy at that show.

3148
04:17:10,747 --> 04:17:16,867
I love them too, but not in the kind of gay way they love them.

3149
04:17:17,167 --> 04:17:21,287
He has eyes for this super young girl played by Jennifer Gray.

3150
04:17:21,307 --> 04:17:24,827
It's almost like a weird molestation tale to me.

3151
04:17:24,847 --> 04:17:27,007
I've always thought of it like that, even when I was younger.

3152
04:17:27,027 --> 04:17:29,947
Why is this older dude going for this younger chick?

3153
04:17:30,907 --> 04:17:33,567
I wonder why poor old Jerry Orbach is not mad at him.

3154
04:17:33,587 --> 04:17:39,107
I'd be a little upset too as a father, but the film itself became a phenomena.

3155
04:17:40,067 --> 04:17:40,707
Phenomena.

3156
04:17:41,867 --> 04:17:42,687
I can't help these things.

3157
04:17:42,707 --> 04:17:44,207
They do it all the time.

3158
04:17:44,227 --> 04:17:46,567
Brian does that every time I say the word phenomena.

3159
04:17:46,587 --> 04:17:47,667
He does that every time.

3160
04:17:48,347 --> 04:17:49,127
So does Cudi.

3161
04:17:49,387 --> 04:17:49,987
Thanks for that.

3162
04:17:51,587 --> 04:17:53,167
He just did it just now.

3163
04:17:54,807 --> 04:17:56,607
That's true love right there.

3164
04:17:57,267 --> 04:17:59,547
He overheard me and he's over there.

3165
04:17:59,707 --> 04:18:08,807
It's just a film that never grabbed me by genre, by taste.

3166
04:18:08,827 --> 04:18:13,227
I think just because I was tortured with it for half my life.

3167
04:18:13,247 --> 04:18:15,127
Probably because you were a nine year old boy.

3168
04:18:16,887 --> 04:18:18,507
Past nine years old, Jamie.

3169
04:18:18,847 --> 04:18:20,427
Oh boy, in general.

3170
04:18:20,447 --> 04:18:21,927
It's not really a boy movie.

3171
04:18:25,067 --> 04:18:28,567
It's kind of like the uncle that touched you.

3172
04:18:28,587 --> 04:18:32,247
You never forget that kind of thing.

3173
04:18:32,887 --> 04:18:35,307
I just know, I get bad feels whenever I see it on.

3174
04:18:35,467 --> 04:18:37,487
Like no, don't play it again.

3175
04:18:37,507 --> 04:18:38,987
It's bad.

3176
04:18:39,007 --> 04:18:40,847
I've never seen it.

3177
04:18:41,987 --> 04:18:46,687
And that's because I've learned how to avoid things that I think are going to hurt me.

3178
04:18:49,347 --> 04:18:53,927
And I think watching dirty dancing would physically cause me pain.

3179
04:18:54,587 --> 04:18:58,027
Don't you ever just want to watch these things to have them in your lexicon though?

3180
04:18:59,107 --> 04:19:04,167
No, because at this point, they're in everyone's lexicon, so I don't really need to appropriate it.

3181
04:19:05,587 --> 04:19:10,167
I figure if I know enough to say, don't, you know, nobody puts a baby in a corner, I don't actually have...

3182
04:19:11,047 --> 04:19:13,187
You get TV Guide, you don't need the TV.

3183
04:19:15,087 --> 04:19:16,527
Ah, yes.

3184
04:19:18,047 --> 04:19:22,927
So if I know enough to fake my way through it, I never have to watch that piece of shit.

3185
04:19:24,347 --> 04:19:26,027
And it's not like I'm trying to fake it.

3186
04:19:26,087 --> 04:19:26,487
I just...

3187
04:19:26,647 --> 04:19:35,947
you hear it all the time, but because it's already part of everyone's lexicon, so now I just, you know, body snatcher it and play along.

3188
04:19:39,487 --> 04:19:59,587
I guess my third biggest beef, and this is about the horror genre in general, that when they tag the master of horror or the, you know, king of horror or whatever of horror on a director who really has earned it, I'm not a big fan of...

3189
04:20:01,047 --> 04:20:04,327
I watch him, but I don't love Eli Roth like some people do.

3190
04:20:06,067 --> 04:20:08,607
Yeah, he made like four films all of a sudden.

3191
04:20:08,627 --> 04:20:09,927
He was a master of horror.

3192
04:20:10,567 --> 04:20:14,047
Yeah, but of those four films, how many of them were actually good?

3193
04:20:14,067 --> 04:20:17,307
I'd say a good one and a half if you had to piece them all together.

3194
04:20:17,327 --> 04:20:23,687
And that's not a very good ranking to call yourself a master of horror.

3195
04:20:25,047 --> 04:20:28,387
I feel the same way about James Wan, where I try...

3196
04:20:32,927 --> 04:20:36,647
I try to sit through those insidious films, and I really wanted to like them.

3197
04:20:37,287 --> 04:20:38,967
Like I really wanted to like The Conjuring.

3198
04:20:38,987 --> 04:20:44,147
I think the reason why I even liked The Conjuring slightly, and it was decent, don't get me wrong.

3199
04:20:44,167 --> 04:20:44,787
It looked good.

3200
04:20:44,807 --> 04:20:48,067
I'm a big fan of Patrick Wilson and Mrs.

3201
04:20:48,587 --> 04:20:50,247
Bates, that's her name.

3202
04:20:53,087 --> 04:20:54,547
Vera Farmiga, there you go.

3203
04:20:56,407 --> 04:21:00,487
But it helped that I was sitting in the theater with an urban audience.

3204
04:21:01,107 --> 04:21:05,047
He was like, no, don't go in there, girl, shit like that, that I was hearing out in the crowd.

3205
04:21:05,707 --> 04:21:12,787
It helped that I had those sights and sounds of people talking, not talking shit, but for reacting to that movie.

3206
04:21:13,347 --> 04:21:22,467
Because when I tried to watch it at home, it was like not a big old mess, but it was one of those things where I see what you're doing there, but I'm just not feeling it.

3207
04:21:23,407 --> 04:21:27,087
But it's better than Insidious to me, because I watched Insidious later.

3208
04:21:27,107 --> 04:21:34,947
And when that red-faced Darth Maul-hugged-looking motherfucker shows up, I was done.

3209
04:21:34,967 --> 04:21:36,127
I was like, this is ruined.

3210
04:21:36,587 --> 04:21:39,747
It's like, it's ruined the fucking movie for me altogether.

3211
04:21:39,767 --> 04:21:46,647
And when that dude showed up and looked like he did, and I was like, no.

3212
04:21:46,867 --> 04:21:51,347
And then they go into Moravod, and this really hurts my soul because I really love Lynn Shay.

3213
04:21:51,607 --> 04:21:53,967
And, you know, talking about it in the cities.

3214
04:21:54,627 --> 04:21:59,747
But she's made some trash that she's been in, but it hasn't because she had a trash reform.

3215
04:22:00,247 --> 04:22:01,387
She was just done.

3216
04:22:01,407 --> 04:22:04,927
She was just in that film where the trashy film is.

3217
04:22:04,927 --> 04:22:10,167
And I wouldn't call it that, but it just bore me.

3218
04:22:10,187 --> 04:22:12,227
And Rob Zobby is the biggest defender.

3219
04:22:12,247 --> 04:22:17,407
I think out of all the films he's made, he's made one good movie, and that's The Devil's Rejects.

3220
04:22:20,087 --> 04:22:23,807
Other ones I like parts of, and that's not including The Devil's Rejects.

3221
04:22:23,827 --> 04:22:31,107
I mean, not including the one with the bitches in the witch house, Lord of the Salem.

3222
04:22:31,127 --> 04:22:32,367
I bitched about it like five times.

3223
04:22:32,387 --> 04:22:33,267
Lord of the Salem.

3224
04:22:33,527 --> 04:22:33,847
Yes.

3225
04:22:34,947 --> 04:22:49,747
That film I did enjoy a lot, and I don't know if I've told the story of this podcast, but it was really funny because I met Patricia Quinn at a convention, and this was amongst all of her other Lord of the Salem actors where she pulled me aside all by myself.

3226
04:22:50,527 --> 04:22:53,327
And she asked me, what did you really think of the film?

3227
04:22:53,427 --> 04:23:00,607
Because I told her, I told her flat out the rawest truth I can give to her about why I didn't enjoy it.

3228
04:23:00,627 --> 04:23:02,967
Not saying, you know, you fucking suck in the fucking movie.

3229
04:23:02,987 --> 04:23:04,127
You know, shit like that.

3230
04:23:04,827 --> 04:23:09,167
And she, I was honest with her, and she told me flat out that she didn't like it much either.

3231
04:23:09,187 --> 04:23:10,527
That made me so happy.

3232
04:23:11,407 --> 04:23:20,507
That this fiery Scottish babe who is probably one of our most favorite convention meets ever, didn't like the film either.

3233
04:23:20,527 --> 04:23:21,327
That made me happy.

3234
04:23:22,687 --> 04:23:23,187
And, yeah.

3235
04:23:23,207 --> 04:23:26,447
That's not a redirect.

3236
04:23:26,467 --> 04:23:27,427
There's other ones too.

3237
04:23:27,447 --> 04:23:29,127
I think they've had fair clears.

3238
04:23:30,547 --> 04:23:31,767
They're live and dead.

3239
04:23:32,047 --> 04:23:32,507
You know.

3240
04:23:32,527 --> 04:23:39,527
I feel about Scream Queens the way you feel about, you know, Masters of Horror.

3241
04:23:40,947 --> 04:23:46,527
It really irks me when people throw out names or calling them, like, Ned Campbell.

3242
04:23:46,547 --> 04:23:50,907
I mean, apart from the Scream franchise, what the fuck has she done for horror?

3243
04:23:51,207 --> 04:23:51,687
Nothing.

3244
04:23:52,287 --> 04:23:54,867
And yet no one wants to...

3245
04:23:54,867 --> 04:23:57,307
No one ever mentions, you know, Linnea.

3246
04:23:57,567 --> 04:23:59,887
No one ever mentions Debbie Rashawn.

3247
04:23:59,907 --> 04:24:03,287
And I'm like, you know, people don't even know what you're talking about.

3248
04:24:03,367 --> 04:24:06,767
You know, yet, you know, Ned Campbell gets thrown out as a Scream Queen.

3249
04:24:06,787 --> 04:24:08,647
And like, she was the queen of Scream.

3250
04:24:08,787 --> 04:24:09,267
That's it.

3251
04:24:09,827 --> 04:24:10,167
You know.

3252
04:24:11,367 --> 04:24:16,447
That goes back to my argument about that set of people who watch those films, you know.

3253
04:24:16,467 --> 04:24:17,347
Yeah, yeah.

3254
04:24:20,547 --> 04:24:24,027
It's just one of those things that always bothered me.

3255
04:24:24,047 --> 04:24:26,367
I would call myself a connoisseur of horror.

3256
04:24:26,787 --> 04:24:35,527
I tell visitors, probably 80% of the catalogue I haven't seen that I'm waiting for folks to introduce me to and say, hey, you should really watch this movie.

3257
04:24:35,547 --> 04:24:37,727
Maybe you might change the way you feel about this side of the other.

3258
04:24:38,347 --> 04:24:39,767
If you're out there, folks, please.

3259
04:24:39,787 --> 04:24:42,787
You should listen to a show called The ABCs of Hidden Horror, then.

3260
04:24:42,807 --> 04:24:44,127
Well, that show is so exciting.

3261
04:24:44,147 --> 04:24:44,707
Listen to that show.

3262
04:24:50,582 --> 04:24:51,562
I gotta stop doing this.

3263
04:24:51,882 --> 04:24:53,162
I'm so angry.

3264
04:24:53,342 --> 04:24:54,082
Jesus Christ.

3265
04:24:54,602 --> 04:24:55,802
No, that is a great show.

3266
04:24:55,962 --> 04:24:57,282
You guys should listen to that show.

3267
04:24:57,742 --> 04:24:58,122
Yeah.

3268
04:24:59,062 --> 04:25:05,462
That's why I listen to podcasts, for folks to turn me on to new stuff, no matter what genre it is.

3269
04:25:06,182 --> 04:25:11,142
And that always helps things, that they just point me in the right direction.

3270
04:25:11,162 --> 04:25:20,002
I appreciate those people working so hard to do that, or maybe effortlessly to do that, however they feel about it.

3271
04:25:20,022 --> 04:25:24,322
But yeah, those are my three greatest film beefs.

3272
04:25:25,322 --> 04:25:27,002
And I'll put it to you, Jamie.

3273
04:25:27,022 --> 04:25:27,662
Start you first.

3274
04:25:27,682 --> 04:25:29,442
What is your greatest film rage quit?

3275
04:25:31,302 --> 04:25:31,882
Detention.

3276
04:25:31,902 --> 04:25:34,482
That was easy for me.

3277
04:25:34,502 --> 04:25:35,382
I didn't make it.

3278
04:25:35,402 --> 04:25:37,942
I don't know if either of you have ever seen that movie.

3279
04:25:37,962 --> 04:25:40,862
It was maybe last year, a couple years ago, I guess.

3280
04:25:40,882 --> 04:25:43,882
It could have been last year, because I was still living in Athens at the time.

3281
04:25:43,902 --> 04:25:45,242
But I guess it was a couple years ago.

3282
04:25:46,082 --> 04:25:47,822
It was a movie that we had to watch for Devour.

3283
04:25:49,422 --> 04:25:53,522
And I got 28 minutes into it, and I bailed.

3284
04:25:53,542 --> 04:25:55,382
I was like, I can't do this shit anymore.

3285
04:25:55,382 --> 04:26:03,002
I mean, it was like, Ed and I were talking about hashtag horror earlier and how it was assaulting the senses, how it was like, what did you say?

3286
04:26:03,022 --> 04:26:04,342
It looked like it was filmed through a...

3287
04:26:07,502 --> 04:26:08,362
Yeah, okay.

3288
04:26:09,202 --> 04:26:13,822
This movie was, to me, more egregious than that.

3289
04:26:14,082 --> 04:26:14,702
I mean, it was just...

3290
04:26:14,722 --> 04:26:16,042
It was filmed through a snow globe.

3291
04:26:17,182 --> 04:26:20,242
It was just shit popping up on the screen all the time.

3292
04:26:20,602 --> 04:26:26,602
The dialogue was so intentionally just twee...

3293
04:26:27,422 --> 04:26:29,442
I was sick, sick, sick, sick of it.

3294
04:26:30,242 --> 04:26:32,122
Half an hour in, I couldn't do it.

3295
04:26:32,562 --> 04:26:34,082
And I quit.

3296
04:26:34,102 --> 04:26:36,162
I was like, I quit, I quit, I can't do it.

3297
04:26:36,662 --> 04:26:41,402
And Bo and David ridiculed me endlessly for that because they did watch it.

3298
04:26:43,042 --> 04:26:44,382
And I was like, I'm sorry.

3299
04:26:44,482 --> 04:26:48,402
You know, there are things that I just can't do, not even for the show.

3300
04:26:48,422 --> 04:26:49,422
And that was one of them.

3301
04:26:49,662 --> 04:26:51,602
I was just like, fuck it, I'm out.

3302
04:26:52,722 --> 04:26:55,742
So, there's that, that's mine.

3303
04:26:56,822 --> 04:26:59,762
And it's rare that I will do, this is, it is really rare.

3304
04:26:59,782 --> 04:27:02,382
Like I even said earlier, Brian, why don't you quit hashtag horror?

3305
04:27:02,402 --> 04:27:03,182
And I wouldn't let him.

3306
04:27:03,202 --> 04:27:05,262
I was like, no, I want to see it at the next point.

3307
04:27:05,642 --> 04:27:10,582
It is extraordinarily rare for me to just quit a film.

3308
04:27:11,182 --> 04:27:16,822
Headless was another movie last year that I couldn't stand and I made it all the way through.

3309
04:27:17,002 --> 04:27:23,202
The damn, oh, you know, their real life movie.

3310
04:27:23,222 --> 04:27:24,342
What the fuck is that?

3311
04:27:24,362 --> 04:27:25,322
Oh, August Underground.

3312
04:27:28,082 --> 04:27:32,342
I just got so incredibly bored with that movie.

3313
04:27:33,062 --> 04:27:42,022
I still got to the end because I was fast forwarding through parts where there were no dialogue, like on video fast forward, like I was watching it.

3314
04:27:43,622 --> 04:27:47,142
But when no one was talking, I was just fast forwarding until the talking part.

3315
04:27:47,462 --> 04:27:55,262
And then by the time we got to the second one, because we also had to do a few more strength of hours, we got to the second one, I fast forwarded through most of it, and I was like, well, I can't even, I can't.

3316
04:27:55,422 --> 04:27:57,962
Because the whole thing just bores me so much.

3317
04:27:57,982 --> 04:28:00,262
It's just, it's not shocking.

3318
04:28:00,282 --> 04:28:08,602
I think there should have been one, and it should have been a short film, because I get what you're going for.

3319
04:28:08,622 --> 04:28:11,622
I gave him credit for the first movie for attempting to do something.

3320
04:28:12,002 --> 04:28:27,802
But then when he went on to make two successive films after that, then he lost all credit with me, because he clearly had already made his point, and now he was just doing it to be doing it, and that was just boring.

3321
04:28:27,822 --> 04:28:34,242
But anyway, I don't even know what, oh, except to say that I made it through those I dispatched already.

3322
04:28:34,262 --> 04:28:36,522
But with detention, I couldn't even do that.

3323
04:28:36,582 --> 04:28:44,222
I was so not interested that I just flat flipped, and that never happens.

3324
04:28:45,382 --> 04:28:46,882
It's just really real.

3325
04:28:47,582 --> 04:28:48,982
Have either of you guys seen that movie?

3326
04:28:49,582 --> 04:28:52,742
I've seen a picture, a poster, and I actually watched a movie, though.

3327
04:28:52,762 --> 04:28:54,582
Yeah, that's not the same thing, is it?

3328
04:28:57,282 --> 04:29:00,602
Although I guarantee your experience was better than mine.

3329
04:29:00,622 --> 04:29:02,642
And I have heard of the episode of Devourer.

3330
04:29:02,662 --> 04:29:04,142
I just can't really recall the review.

3331
04:29:04,162 --> 04:29:08,902
I just can't really recall the review of me actually knowing what the movie was about.

3332
04:29:08,922 --> 04:29:17,222
It's basically about a slasher in a high school or something like some kids are in detention and then there's a slasher.

3333
04:29:17,222 --> 04:29:17,782
I think.

3334
04:29:18,702 --> 04:29:19,662
I didn't get that far.

3335
04:29:19,682 --> 04:29:20,062
I couldn't.

3336
04:29:20,082 --> 04:29:26,062
I think I remember more about the plot of Hold Your Breath than that movie.

3337
04:29:26,082 --> 04:29:32,142
I even made it all the way to the end of Hold Your Breath.

3338
04:29:32,402 --> 04:29:35,642
Something about ghosts going in teenagers' mouths and shit, who the fuck knows?

3339
04:29:38,562 --> 04:29:41,342
But anyway, that's my detention.

3340
04:29:44,902 --> 04:29:45,322
Papa X.

3341
04:29:45,342 --> 04:29:47,422
What does your film do when you create a speech?

3342
04:29:47,442 --> 04:29:47,722
Quit.

3343
04:29:48,102 --> 04:29:55,142
I dragged my grandmother and my little cousin out of the theater when we made the mistake of seeing Robert Altman's Popeye.

3344
04:29:57,742 --> 04:30:00,042
I saw that in the theater.

3345
04:30:00,062 --> 04:30:01,022
I got to hear this, dude.

3346
04:30:01,302 --> 04:30:02,102
I hated it.

3347
04:30:02,162 --> 04:30:05,342
I hated it from practically the moment it started.

3348
04:30:05,962 --> 04:30:12,102
Robin Williams was fucking unintelligible and the bleached blonde hair didn't help, so I couldn't even fucking look at him.

3349
04:30:12,382 --> 04:30:15,642
So that meant the focus of the entire movie was Shelley goddamn Duvall.

3350
04:30:15,662 --> 04:30:18,662
And she is the hardest thing in the world to look at in that movie.

3351
04:30:19,042 --> 04:30:25,522
She's all gangly limbs and big giant eyes like a painting in a 70s restaurant.

3352
04:30:25,542 --> 04:30:26,462
She's just terrible.

3353
04:30:26,762 --> 04:30:28,502
And then she starts singing.

3354
04:30:28,522 --> 04:30:31,962
Oh, sweet fucking monkey crisis.

3355
04:30:31,982 --> 04:30:41,522
Like listening to someone gulp down hot acid, lots of burbling and gasping, and those fucking songs.

3356
04:30:41,782 --> 04:30:42,942
He's large.

3357
04:30:43,602 --> 04:30:46,422
I mean, what the fuck is that?

3358
04:30:47,662 --> 04:30:53,522
I've had, I've always, I have always had a high tolerance for crap, even when I was a teenager.

3359
04:30:53,542 --> 04:30:57,442
But something about that movie just, it just tripped my wire.

3360
04:30:57,742 --> 04:30:59,142
And I had to get out of there.

3361
04:30:59,162 --> 04:31:00,662
I was having like a panic attack.

3362
04:31:00,682 --> 04:31:04,002
Like I need to leave this movie right fucking now.

3363
04:31:04,362 --> 04:31:07,202
So I stormed out and I haven't looked at it since.

3364
04:31:07,222 --> 04:31:11,162
I haven't revisited it and I probably never will.

3365
04:31:18,362 --> 04:31:22,442
Yeah she is because it looks like somebody soaked her in vinegar for a couple of weeks.

3366
04:31:22,462 --> 04:31:26,382
So her bones got all flexible and bendy.

3367
04:31:29,442 --> 04:31:30,842
Yeah, that's what she's like.

3368
04:31:30,862 --> 04:31:31,642
It's terrible.

3369
04:31:34,522 --> 04:31:40,682
Try to take a chicken bone and put it in a jar of vinegar and it turns to rubber and it is because it's.

3370
04:31:40,822 --> 04:31:41,202
Yes.

3371
04:31:47,482 --> 04:31:52,642
You can get the olive oil, you know, noise spray, you know, Ryan Lewis does it the best.

3372
04:31:52,662 --> 04:31:55,322
That's all I'm saying.

3373
04:31:56,562 --> 04:32:06,482
If you want to hear a great olive oil impression, go in the way back machine and look for our Popeye commentary we did for Two Drink and you might get some laughs out of there.

3374
04:32:06,502 --> 04:32:08,182
Get some good dick jokes in there while you're at it.

3375
04:32:08,202 --> 04:32:09,962
You know, I'll get some rage fuel.

3376
04:32:13,462 --> 04:32:21,422
Oh, my greatest rage quit is a film that was made back and I forget what year and I'm having to think about it.

3377
04:32:21,442 --> 04:32:38,222
It was in the time where MTV decided they thought who was funny and decided to throw it at and I thought about it and sinker with him and the mention next and Andy Milanochus and all kinds of stupid shit like that.

3378
04:32:38,222 --> 04:32:41,042
And this guy is Tom Green.

3379
04:32:41,062 --> 04:32:43,322
He made a film.

3380
04:32:43,482 --> 04:32:46,622
Yes, he made a film called Freddy's Got Fingered.

3381
04:32:46,642 --> 04:32:50,602
Yeah, yeah, that shit there.

3382
04:32:52,342 --> 04:32:59,802
Yeah, just a film about nothing where basically Brian Cox is his father who should be angry at his stupid son like he is.

3383
04:32:59,822 --> 04:33:02,522
And that's probably the best part about the whole film of Brian Cox.

3384
04:33:03,162 --> 04:33:04,502
But I didn't make it to the end of this film.

3385
04:33:04,522 --> 04:33:05,542
I made about halfway through.

3386
04:33:05,562 --> 04:33:13,302
I made it to about the part where the whole of the whole, if you want to call it still have at a point why it's called Freddy Got Fingered.

3387
04:33:13,302 --> 04:33:22,162
Freddy is Tom Green's brother in the movie played by I forget the guy's name, but he was Finch from the American Pie Series.

3388
04:33:23,262 --> 04:33:24,222
Yeah, Eddie K.

3389
04:33:24,242 --> 04:33:24,582
Thomas.

3390
04:33:27,662 --> 04:33:44,902
And he, Tom Green's big, I forget who he tells, says that Brian Cox, who's the father, molested his brother and for some reason they take away the brother to a mental institution or something or some kind of hospital.

3391
04:33:45,702 --> 04:33:46,942
But that's how I show the movie off.

3392
04:33:47,782 --> 04:33:56,462
Later on I hear about Tom Green jerks off an elephant and it's like a fire hose or something and there's other stuff going on in this movie.

3393
04:33:57,322 --> 04:33:58,542
I didn't make it that far.

3394
04:33:58,782 --> 04:34:00,642
This is just fucking stupid.

3395
04:34:01,562 --> 04:34:03,222
I like Tom Green in small doses.

3396
04:34:03,362 --> 04:34:05,702
He was part of that Charlie's Angels film, but that's about it.

3397
04:34:05,722 --> 04:34:09,742
And but the fact that they let these people out.

3398
04:34:10,462 --> 04:34:10,782
Road trip.

3399
04:34:12,782 --> 04:34:15,742
Yeah, road trip again, he was that he was not in that movie much though.

3400
04:34:15,762 --> 04:34:16,122
He wasn't.

3401
04:34:16,182 --> 04:34:18,322
He wasn't one of the the core people.

3402
04:34:18,342 --> 04:34:21,722
He was there for like 20 minutes and I was fine with that.

3403
04:34:23,322 --> 04:34:35,242
And he just did they made that movie and somebody thought it was a good idea and he was that popular to give it a big theatrical release and boy do they regret it to G.

3404
04:34:35,242 --> 04:34:42,662
Lee type proportions now that they fucking put that movie out now and but they get it to be one of the movies in 10 years.

3405
04:34:42,682 --> 04:34:46,382
They're like, oh, dude, if you see Freddy got figured, you wouldn't believe it, man.

3406
04:34:46,402 --> 04:34:53,442
You got to watch this movie, you know, much like, you know, our troll to is now or Tommy was those the room.

3407
04:34:53,462 --> 04:34:58,662
What are those films that are so bad that folks say you got to see it?

3408
04:34:59,642 --> 04:35:02,982
And I there's certain films out there that I turn myself off of.

3409
04:35:03,902 --> 04:35:06,282
I've never seen a Serbian film.

3410
04:35:07,062 --> 04:35:09,002
These are films that people tell me about.

3411
04:35:09,382 --> 04:35:10,442
And what happens these films?

3412
04:35:10,682 --> 04:35:12,642
But, dude, you know, they got a baby rape in that movie.

3413
04:35:12,662 --> 04:35:14,122
It's like, yeah, I'm really turned off.

3414
04:35:14,682 --> 04:35:15,802
Never seen Solo.

3415
04:35:16,142 --> 04:35:17,342
They never seen that film.

3416
04:35:17,362 --> 04:35:18,882
That movie is boring as shit.

3417
04:35:19,342 --> 04:35:20,782
I've actually watched it twice.

3418
04:35:20,802 --> 04:35:26,362
I don't know why, but it's like, I've never seen human centipede films.

3419
04:35:35,742 --> 04:35:38,202
I hear in the second one, somebody jerks off at sandpaper.

3420
04:35:38,782 --> 04:35:41,142
That's something I want to watch, so I didn't want to watch.

3421
04:35:41,162 --> 04:35:45,282
That's in like the first minute of the film, too, so you don't have to be too far if you want to watch that.

3422
04:35:45,742 --> 04:35:46,782
I like the second one.

3423
04:35:46,942 --> 04:35:49,742
I did not like the first one, but I like the second one.

3424
04:35:49,762 --> 04:35:50,742
What's the chunk of you guys' name?

3425
04:35:50,942 --> 04:35:51,722
Lawrence Harvey?

3426
04:35:51,722 --> 04:35:52,462
I met that guy.

3427
04:35:52,482 --> 04:35:53,462
He's a really nice guy.

3428
04:35:53,742 --> 04:35:54,562
That's in those films.

3429
04:35:58,042 --> 04:36:00,022
No, they're not in the movies to me.

3430
04:36:00,222 --> 04:36:04,822
August Underground, like you mentioned, any of those films like that.

3431
04:36:05,282 --> 04:36:07,142
I barely like Cannibal Holocaust.

3432
04:36:07,762 --> 04:36:15,862
The only reason why I like that a little bit is because I recognize what it did for that genre, that cannibal genre.

3433
04:36:16,302 --> 04:36:22,282
Out of all those films, it's probably the best one, although it's something I don't enjoy.

3434
04:36:23,062 --> 04:36:28,822
But I'll give it, I'll give Federal Predators 2, I'll give Barry Manilow Federal Predators 2.

3435
04:36:29,602 --> 04:36:32,182
I don't like his tunes, but I'll recognize his skills.

3436
04:36:32,382 --> 04:36:32,822
You know?

3437
04:36:32,842 --> 04:36:35,902
Oh, I do love Barry Manilow.

3438
04:36:36,262 --> 04:36:37,162
Are you a fan-alo?

3439
04:36:37,162 --> 04:36:40,202
Well, no, I wouldn't do that part.

3440
04:36:43,342 --> 04:36:46,322
But yeah, that's pretty much my greatest rage put is a...

3441
04:36:46,342 --> 04:36:48,302
Is that like a frilly shirt wearing Juggalo?

3442
04:36:52,402 --> 04:36:57,262
It's like Juggalo's parents are fan-alos.

3443
04:36:57,282 --> 04:37:05,362
Last time I saw a group of Juggalos, they were breaking Pokemon card game and instructional videos inside of a big crowd and that was quite scary, you know?

3444
04:37:05,382 --> 04:37:07,662
It's like I never get to hang out with these folks ever again.

3445
04:37:07,682 --> 04:37:09,162
Bye-bye, Juggalos.

3446
04:37:10,062 --> 04:37:23,542
But yeah, that's mine, the Tom Green vehicle, Freddy got fingered, if you want to see a sawed go watch it or something, I don't know, I'm never going to finish it, so rage quick for me right there.

3447
04:37:28,222 --> 04:37:28,622
Nice.

3448
04:37:30,282 --> 04:37:31,062
On a loop?

3449
04:37:34,122 --> 04:37:34,502
Yeah.

3450
04:37:35,262 --> 04:37:47,722
I keep telling folks in my feed-on, I'm just going to have, I don't know if you guys have ever seen this video before, this YouTube video of all the Christopher Walken dance scenes in five minutes, played at C&C Music Factory, everybody danced now.

3451
04:37:47,742 --> 04:37:50,162
It's just going to be that in a loop.

3452
04:37:50,182 --> 04:37:55,122
So basically it's just that one video, the Fatboy Slim video?

3453
04:37:57,362 --> 04:37:59,722
It is magical, okay, that's all I'm saying.

3454
04:38:00,642 --> 04:38:02,142
Which by the way, I love that video.

3455
04:38:05,062 --> 04:38:12,302
But I'll bring it to X and you tell us what film, or films, you can go films if you want to.

3456
04:38:13,042 --> 04:38:15,062
I've heard films on some of the messages.

3457
04:38:16,382 --> 04:38:18,302
Shape the way that you watch films today.

3458
04:38:19,442 --> 04:38:20,762
It's just one.

3459
04:38:22,262 --> 04:38:28,282
And it was really the first time that I consciously realized how movies worked.

3460
04:38:29,222 --> 04:38:31,102
And it's John Carpenter's Halloween.

3461
04:38:32,642 --> 04:38:38,182
I didn't realize it while I was watching it because I was too busy being really, really scared.

3462
04:38:39,762 --> 04:38:44,702
I was like 9, 10 the first time I saw it, and it really fucked me up.

3463
04:38:45,082 --> 04:38:47,962
I mean, I was literally crying in fear while I was watching it.

3464
04:38:49,182 --> 04:38:53,942
But I'd never been that consciously scared by a movie before.

3465
04:38:53,962 --> 04:39:01,382
So once I got some distance from it, I wanted to know how that happened.

3466
04:39:01,402 --> 04:39:04,162
How did that work?

3467
04:39:04,602 --> 04:39:05,682
Why did that scare me?

3468
04:39:05,702 --> 04:39:09,862
Why did it work so well that I almost pissed myself when elements were involved?

3469
04:39:09,882 --> 04:39:20,162
So that's the first movie where I actually kind of broke it down into separate parts because I was just really amazed at the efficiency of the whole thing.

3470
04:39:20,782 --> 04:39:23,922
So I started to read about cinematography.

3471
04:39:24,442 --> 04:39:29,022
I was starting about anamorphic lenses and deep focus, stuff like that.

3472
04:39:29,042 --> 04:39:34,362
And I learned about the usage of intervals in music and half steps and dissonance.

3473
04:39:35,262 --> 04:39:37,882
And I just tore that fucker apart.

3474
04:39:37,902 --> 04:39:40,602
I read interviews with Carpenter and the people who were in it.

3475
04:39:40,622 --> 04:39:43,302
I subscribed to Fangoria because of that movie.

3476
04:39:43,902 --> 04:39:49,302
So and I really started to understand how horror worked as a genre.

3477
04:39:50,102 --> 04:39:53,702
You know, why things frighten us, why different things scare different people.

3478
04:39:53,722 --> 04:40:01,862
And once I began immersing myself in that culture, again, at the age of 10, you know, I never got out of it.

3479
04:40:02,362 --> 04:40:07,322
I mean, I do enjoy other things as far as entertainment goes.

3480
04:40:07,322 --> 04:40:09,362
I did a good magic show once in a while.

3481
04:40:10,202 --> 04:40:12,562
You know, some terrible pornography is okay.

3482
04:40:12,962 --> 04:40:22,842
But you know, horror has just been my thing since I was 10 years old watching Halloween and it just made me, it made me love movies and it made me love horror.

3483
04:40:23,142 --> 04:40:24,102
So there you go.

3484
04:40:25,382 --> 04:40:25,782
Great.

3485
04:40:29,282 --> 04:40:29,882
Speak.

3486
04:40:29,962 --> 04:40:30,642
Go ahead, Jamie.

3487
04:40:35,402 --> 04:40:41,242
As far as I go with the Halloween thing, I've been very fortunate over the years.

3488
04:40:41,262 --> 04:40:44,582
I've been doing these conventions for like 10, 12 years now.

3489
04:40:45,622 --> 04:40:55,122
I've gotten to meet pretty much everybody, except for Lindsay, the little Lindsay, who was one of our babysitting kids, you know.

3490
04:40:56,342 --> 04:40:57,522
I've met Dean Conde.

3491
04:40:57,542 --> 04:40:58,562
I've met John Carpenter.

3492
04:40:58,982 --> 04:41:00,522
I've met Jamie Lee.

3493
04:41:00,542 --> 04:41:03,342
I've had the fortune to meet her in Indianapolis.

3494
04:41:04,282 --> 04:41:07,982
PJ is always a git.

3495
04:41:08,002 --> 04:41:12,502
And anytime I go to a convention, I'll go visit PJ Soles because she's at most of them.

3496
04:41:13,382 --> 04:41:18,342
And, yeah, somebody, I think I have like, I have like 12 autographs on that poster now I got.

3497
04:41:18,362 --> 04:41:23,242
So I don't have the same, I love the film.

3498
04:41:23,722 --> 04:41:28,262
I used to have the same affliction that you have where you broke it all down like that.

3499
04:41:28,282 --> 04:41:29,762
I could have mired that, you know.

3500
04:41:32,982 --> 04:41:33,322
But, uh.

3501
04:41:33,342 --> 04:41:41,842
My favorite Kyle Richards role ever is when she gets her head shot and we sit in her teeth and they shut off.

3502
04:41:46,642 --> 04:41:47,642
I wanted vanilla.

3503
04:41:48,262 --> 04:41:50,422
Yeah, exactly.

3504
04:41:50,522 --> 04:41:52,442
I had nothing against her, but you guys know me.

3505
04:41:52,462 --> 04:41:54,342
I just love when kids get killed in movies.

3506
04:41:54,362 --> 04:41:55,142
It makes me happy.

3507
04:41:58,382 --> 04:42:03,502
Every time Kenbury, she throws zombie breaths on the couch, I laugh every time, you know.

3508
04:42:03,522 --> 04:42:06,142
Get off me little white children.

3509
04:42:07,522 --> 04:42:08,582
I laugh every time.

3510
04:42:09,622 --> 04:42:12,202
Jamie, that same question, on to you, babe.

3511
04:42:13,242 --> 04:42:15,002
Well, one of mine is going to be pretty predictable.

3512
04:42:15,022 --> 04:42:20,862
Actually, two of mine will be pretty predictable, probably, if you ever pay attention to anything I say.

3513
04:42:20,882 --> 04:42:30,322
One of them, maybe one of the problems, but there are several movies that shaped my love of cinema over the years.

3514
04:42:30,342 --> 04:42:38,322
Starting with the movie, I'm just going to go, I didn't realize it at the time because I was way too young.

3515
04:42:38,682 --> 04:42:47,482
But the first movie that really shaped or helped to shape my love of cinema and how I love cinema was Salem's Lot.

3516
04:42:48,322 --> 04:42:53,942
And that's because when that originally aired, it scared the crap out of me.

3517
04:42:53,962 --> 04:42:55,182
And everyone has heard this story.

3518
04:42:55,742 --> 04:43:04,782
If you listen to my other shows, I talk about horror, and because of that film, I slept with my neck covered for a very long time after.

3519
04:43:05,062 --> 04:43:07,862
Still to this day, it scratched my bed and window and freaked me out.

3520
04:43:07,862 --> 04:43:08,482
All true.

3521
04:43:09,922 --> 04:43:14,182
And that began my love of very little horror.

3522
04:43:14,202 --> 04:43:16,462
I didn't know it at the time.

3523
04:43:16,482 --> 04:43:21,262
I didn't know what I would become, how much I would end up loving the genre on the whole.

3524
04:43:21,622 --> 04:43:24,382
But that is what started it all.

3525
04:43:26,022 --> 04:43:41,902
Then the movies there are two that are probably neck and neck, as far as making me really, really dissect cinema, get into it, really care about the inner workings of it, and just want to smash it all into my face.

3526
04:43:42,462 --> 04:43:45,242
And that is, of course, John.

3527
04:43:45,682 --> 04:43:46,862
Everyone knows that.

3528
04:43:47,242 --> 04:43:51,282
But the other one is Gone with the Wind.

3529
04:43:51,982 --> 04:43:56,662
And I was such a huge fan of Gone with the Wind when I was younger, just the inner workings of it.

3530
04:43:57,422 --> 04:44:10,442
And going behind the scenes, watching documentaries on that, reading everything I could about it, it amazes me to this day that that movie even got made, just because of everything that went into it.

3531
04:44:10,462 --> 04:44:11,902
It was just astounding.

3532
04:44:12,802 --> 04:44:20,002
And really, stuff that holds up today visually, it is remarkable.

3533
04:44:20,202 --> 04:44:28,362
And, you know, like matte paintings and things that people still use sometimes.

3534
04:44:29,802 --> 04:44:41,682
But the fact that he was so into all of the clothes being as authentic as possible, you know, and that was caught a fortune.

3535
04:44:42,782 --> 04:44:49,842
There's a scene in Atlanta where there are soldiers, like thousands of soldiers, littering the ground.

3536
04:44:50,362 --> 04:44:52,642
And a lot of those are real people in costume.

3537
04:44:52,662 --> 04:44:59,942
But a lot of them are dummies with just, like, one movable body part that people were controlling.

3538
04:44:59,962 --> 04:45:02,202
And they would just be like a movable arm.

3539
04:45:02,222 --> 04:45:05,902
And to me, that is extremely advanced for the time period.

3540
04:45:05,922 --> 04:45:13,762
And the fact that they even think to do that, to give it just a little bit of a touch of realism to attempt to.

3541
04:45:17,262 --> 04:45:21,022
It's, you know, I don't know, people feel one way or the other about that film.

3542
04:45:21,782 --> 04:45:27,462
And there was a time when it was universally loved, when everyone just said, wow, that is an amazing film.

3543
04:45:27,962 --> 04:45:29,882
And now you don't seem to find that as often.

3544
04:45:30,262 --> 04:45:35,362
And I think a lot of people have issues with it politically or whatever.

3545
04:45:35,382 --> 04:45:36,562
Maybe they just find it boring.

3546
04:45:36,582 --> 04:45:37,622
Maybe it's too long.

3547
04:45:37,802 --> 04:45:45,602
But if you want to look at something strictly from a filmmaking perspective, that's a good place to start.

3548
04:45:46,482 --> 04:45:48,762
It really is.

3549
04:45:49,722 --> 04:45:51,862
And kind of neck and neck with that is Wizard of Oz.

3550
04:45:53,402 --> 04:46:01,722
Not for me personally, but just as far as same time, a lot of really advanced filmmaking stuff, a lot of stuff that holds up today.

3551
04:46:01,742 --> 04:46:08,602
Those are two films that I have managed to stand the test of time as far as filmmaking goes.

3552
04:46:09,742 --> 04:46:13,482
And then Jaws, that movie affected me on so many levels.

3553
04:46:14,542 --> 04:46:21,262
I have poured over everything I ever possibly could about that movie.

3554
04:46:21,282 --> 04:46:23,422
It became an obsession for a while.

3555
04:46:24,062 --> 04:46:30,442
And to this day, if I watch a documentary about that film, I will cry.

3556
04:46:31,682 --> 04:46:32,122
I will.

3557
04:46:32,482 --> 04:46:33,782
Because beauty moves me.

3558
04:46:34,762 --> 04:46:39,202
And to me, that is a beautiful thing.

3559
04:46:39,582 --> 04:46:44,522
And so watching everything that went on behind the scenes with that film just touches me.

3560
04:46:46,902 --> 04:46:49,082
There's no good way to say what I was about to say.

3561
04:46:49,242 --> 04:46:51,062
It touches me in an artistic way.

3562
04:46:51,082 --> 04:46:53,862
But that just sounds like a really awkward euphemism.

3563
04:46:53,882 --> 04:46:59,162
Like you were going to say, I really fell for the shark and all this good stuff.

3564
04:46:59,182 --> 04:47:01,462
They were in his land and they should have just let him be.

3565
04:47:01,482 --> 04:47:02,142
Well, that too.

3566
04:47:02,922 --> 04:47:07,322
I mean, in real life, I do get angry.

3567
04:47:07,342 --> 04:47:17,402
I got angry because after that film, there was this whole influx of people going out and just murdering sharks and wild abandoned.

3568
04:47:17,882 --> 04:47:18,422
Abandoned.

3569
04:47:18,802 --> 04:47:20,682
Wild abandoned because of that film.

3570
04:47:21,102 --> 04:47:23,282
And Peter Benchley even regretted that.

3571
04:47:23,282 --> 04:47:25,482
So there is that.

3572
04:47:25,562 --> 04:47:27,022
But I don't know.

3573
04:47:27,122 --> 04:47:34,722
As far as filmmaking goes, to me, that's one of the greatest beats ever.

3574
04:47:35,242 --> 04:47:35,702
It's funny.

3575
04:47:35,722 --> 04:47:47,282
I don't know if I told this before, Jamie, but when I met Dee Wallace, I think for the first or second time, I think I met her two times, I showed her the art for the beef episode we did for Kujo.

3576
04:47:47,322 --> 04:47:50,162
I forget who was on that show, and I apologize for that, guys.

3577
04:47:50,942 --> 04:47:56,522
But the title was Something Kids and Rabbit Heroes.

3578
04:47:57,302 --> 04:47:58,962
Rabbit Heroes being the dog.

3579
04:47:58,982 --> 04:48:15,222
I had to explain myself why I called Kujo a rabbit hero, because you were kind of cheating on your husband with that tennis pro, and it's kind of like the bio-intervention, you and your emaciated son get attacked by this dog.

3580
04:48:15,242 --> 04:48:16,542
That's all I'm saying.

3581
04:48:17,582 --> 04:48:18,542
What did she say to that?

3582
04:48:19,202 --> 04:48:22,962
She wasn't speechless, but I was like, wow, new perspective.

3583
04:48:22,982 --> 04:48:28,242
It's not really a new perspective, it's just one of those things where, yeah, karma's a bitch.

3584
04:48:28,882 --> 04:48:30,122
You were cheating on your husband.

3585
04:48:32,982 --> 04:48:33,722
Oh my god.

3586
04:48:33,742 --> 04:48:35,362
Was that the time that she called me?

3587
04:48:38,702 --> 04:48:40,682
That was the time, yeah, she called.

3588
04:48:40,702 --> 04:48:44,262
Wow, okay, well she must not have been too upset by that.

3589
04:48:44,882 --> 04:48:45,742
Oh, she went bad.

3590
04:48:47,562 --> 04:48:50,942
It's a wild perspective, but it's perspective nonetheless, you know.

3591
04:48:53,502 --> 04:48:54,982
That's why I do these things, people.

3592
04:48:58,262 --> 04:49:02,982
But mine, it wasn't really hard to come up with this, but I came up with two.

3593
04:49:03,622 --> 04:49:05,502
Or no, no, I'll just do the one.

3594
04:49:05,522 --> 04:49:14,502
When I was younger, my cousin Joey, we had a better decade on me, at least a decade on me in years.

3595
04:49:15,522 --> 04:49:19,582
We would hang out a lot and play Dungeons & Dragons and even show me certain films.

3596
04:49:19,602 --> 04:49:33,062
Well, one of the films that he showed me that pretty much shaped the way I watch films today is The Oliver Stone Written, John Milly has directed, Arnold Schwarzenegger starring, Conan the Barbarian.

3597
04:49:34,042 --> 04:49:37,962
And right from the go, I knew I was going to like this film.

3598
04:49:37,962 --> 04:49:40,762
You had Mako, who's a...

3599
04:49:40,762 --> 04:49:42,762
This is my Mako, I'm sorry.

3600
04:49:43,242 --> 04:49:44,102
It was a Mako.

3601
04:49:49,162 --> 04:49:57,682
Mako was doing the narration, and then the great Basil Polidori's score kicks in, and they put the drums and the beats and the...

3602
04:50:01,162 --> 04:50:02,762
I just knew I was going to love this movie.

3603
04:50:03,302 --> 04:50:05,522
And it did not disappoint at all.

3604
04:50:05,542 --> 04:50:06,862
It still doesn't disappoint.

3605
04:50:09,082 --> 04:50:10,742
You get blood and gore in this movie.

3606
04:50:10,762 --> 04:50:13,202
You got Sandel Burbing cutting people's heads off.

3607
04:50:14,042 --> 04:50:17,182
You got fucking James Earl Jones, a sick person.

3608
04:50:18,042 --> 04:50:21,362
At a young age, I saw titties in films, so that was a lot of fun.

3609
04:50:23,622 --> 04:50:25,742
Yes, yes, I mentioned this story.

3610
04:50:25,762 --> 04:50:37,222
But yeah, the soundtrack, it's been imitated, but not the same as Conan.

3611
04:50:37,962 --> 04:50:39,182
Conan, it's just...

3612
04:50:39,622 --> 04:50:48,822
It taught me that a score, you talk about the score, can be almost like a cast member of the film, because it was almost a character in itself.

3613
04:50:49,962 --> 04:50:53,222
I used to just turn on the score just to play video games.

3614
04:50:54,142 --> 04:50:57,742
That's what we listen to whenever we play D&D.

3615
04:50:57,922 --> 04:50:59,762
It's like every time there's a battle...

3616
04:51:02,982 --> 04:51:15,982
Whenever there's a battle coming up in D&D, Brian, who is the D&D has always been for this group, will just reach over and click on the soundtrack.

3617
04:51:16,002 --> 04:51:18,482
And it really is cool.

3618
04:51:18,562 --> 04:51:20,002
Cool is a strong word.

3619
04:51:20,022 --> 04:51:20,122
It is.

3620
04:51:20,142 --> 04:51:21,882
Don't discount it, because it is.

3621
04:51:33,442 --> 04:51:37,062
Did I ever tell you the story about me not getting to see that movie in the theater?

3622
04:51:38,202 --> 04:51:39,122
I'm curious now.

3623
04:51:39,702 --> 04:51:47,362
My family and I were all going to the movies, and it was that film and Rocky III were playing.

3624
04:51:48,022 --> 04:51:49,762
And we got into this huge fight.

3625
04:51:50,902 --> 04:51:53,042
I wanted to go see Conan.

3626
04:51:53,142 --> 04:51:54,962
Everybody else wanted to see Rocky III.

3627
04:51:55,782 --> 04:51:58,082
And so since I was the youngest one in the family, I lost.

3628
04:51:59,182 --> 04:52:00,282
And I love Rocky III.

3629
04:52:02,462 --> 04:52:04,282
I absolutely love Rocky III.

3630
04:52:04,302 --> 04:52:05,982
So there's not a problem in that.

3631
04:52:06,002 --> 04:52:08,762
It's just that I was so angry.

3632
04:52:09,082 --> 04:52:11,642
Because I was like, no, I want to see Conan.

3633
04:52:11,662 --> 04:52:13,622
And then everyone else wanted to see Rocky III.

3634
04:52:13,642 --> 04:52:15,742
So we ended up seeing Rocky III, which was fine.

3635
04:52:15,802 --> 04:52:17,802
I mean, because it was a good movie.

3636
04:52:18,522 --> 04:52:20,242
And then of course I did get to see it later.

3637
04:52:20,642 --> 04:52:24,142
But I was an angry, angry child that day.

3638
04:52:28,402 --> 04:52:28,882
Yeah.

3639
04:52:29,562 --> 04:52:40,042
Yeah, that film, though, it gives me, you know, gives me my, the way I feel already now is pretty much the same way I felt when I watched Conan for the first time.

3640
04:52:40,062 --> 04:52:44,282
I knew this was going to be a guy that was going to be in my life for a long time.

3641
04:52:44,302 --> 04:52:48,922
And I'm gratefully still doing what he does, but not saying, OK, I'm a young man.

3642
04:52:48,942 --> 04:52:50,602
I'm going to go make these young man action films.

3643
04:52:50,622 --> 04:52:53,722
He's kind of playing like this, this old man action star.

3644
04:52:53,762 --> 04:52:58,322
I can really appreciate that he's not really playing before his age.

3645
04:53:01,222 --> 04:53:02,782
Sandell Bergman, who's a...

3646
04:53:02,802 --> 04:53:04,942
She's like a sex symbol to me.

3647
04:53:05,142 --> 04:53:06,242
You know, I love her.

3648
04:53:06,262 --> 04:53:07,182
I love her in everything.

3649
04:53:07,202 --> 04:53:12,062
Except for maybe a little less in Reg Sonia, because she was kind of a bad guy in that movie.

3650
04:53:12,142 --> 04:53:16,442
I got to meet her last year for the first time, and it was like a revelation.

3651
04:53:16,462 --> 04:53:22,122
I was like, I think I'm probably the most heterosexual male you know that loves Xanadu as much as I do.

3652
04:53:22,142 --> 04:53:23,822
You know, it's just one of those things.

3653
04:53:24,282 --> 04:53:25,802
Because she was in that movie.

3654
04:53:25,862 --> 04:53:31,002
And Reg Sonia and Conan, I watched, there was a bunch.

3655
04:53:31,382 --> 04:53:35,102
And especially Conan, because of everything I mentioned.

3656
04:53:35,622 --> 04:53:43,542
Not just Arnie, but Spinelli Thorson, who's an actor that, if you don't know his name, you've seen Spinelli Thorson a bunch.

3657
04:53:44,382 --> 04:53:47,642
He was LeFors and the security guard in Mallrats.

3658
04:53:48,602 --> 04:53:49,762
He's in Hard Target.

3659
04:53:50,202 --> 04:53:51,502
He's in a ton of stuff.

3660
04:53:52,102 --> 04:54:02,002
If you look at his IMDb page, if you look at the face, you know who Spinelli Thorson is, because he's been in a ton of stuff.

3661
04:54:02,022 --> 04:54:10,742
I think his only starring role, this is either unfortunate but not unfortunate, was in Abraxas with Jesse DiBadi Ventura.

3662
04:54:11,362 --> 04:54:13,242
He played Secundus, the bad guy.

3663
04:54:13,262 --> 04:54:17,342
And I guess that was quite a treat for him.

3664
04:54:19,482 --> 04:54:20,702
But you know, whatever.

3665
04:54:21,182 --> 04:54:22,622
Conan will always be my film.

3666
04:54:22,862 --> 04:54:24,142
It's a go-to film.

3667
04:54:24,162 --> 04:54:25,182
I've seen it a bunch.

3668
04:54:25,682 --> 04:54:27,582
I'm going to see it a bunch more times.

3669
04:54:28,102 --> 04:54:31,442
The sequel is a little lackluster, but I'll watch that one too.

3670
04:54:32,322 --> 04:54:36,462
Because Bob the Goon is his little one-in-partner and I love that shit.

3671
04:54:36,702 --> 04:54:37,182
You know?

3672
04:54:39,542 --> 04:54:42,622
But yeah, that's about it for this segment.

3673
04:54:42,942 --> 04:54:45,262
Now Xanadu's stuck in my head.

3674
04:54:45,562 --> 04:54:47,442
Oh yeah, he is as well as should be.

3675
04:54:48,762 --> 04:54:49,462
Come on now.

3676
04:54:50,702 --> 04:54:53,522
At least it kicked out Robbie Neville.

3677
04:54:58,782 --> 04:55:00,122
I actually really enjoyed that movie.

3678
04:55:01,822 --> 04:55:03,962
I've seen Xanadu as shit-done, so.

3679
04:55:06,622 --> 04:55:09,982
But with that, we're going to come back and we're going to close up the program.

3680
04:55:11,062 --> 04:55:13,222
And now finally, we're almost done folks.

3681
04:55:13,242 --> 04:55:15,122
I promise, I promise, we're almost done.

3682
04:55:15,982 --> 04:55:20,282
Final messages from Ben and Misty from the Black Anis Horror Podcast.

3683
04:55:20,982 --> 04:55:29,242
And my main partners at the NFW and the Two Drink Min Pod commentaries is Willis and Nudie Left Messages as well.

3684
04:55:29,262 --> 04:55:30,942
So, here those go.

3685
04:55:30,962 --> 04:55:34,062
And then we'll be getting right back to you guys soon.

3686
04:55:34,582 --> 04:55:34,982
Bye.

3687
04:55:36,082 --> 04:55:36,842
Hello everybody.

3688
04:55:36,862 --> 04:55:39,682
Welcome to another episode of NFW Podcast.

3689
04:55:39,702 --> 04:55:40,582
No, I'm just kidding.

3690
04:55:40,882 --> 04:55:42,362
Hey Gary, it's Nudie here.

3691
04:55:42,762 --> 04:55:45,882
Just wanted to congratulate you on three years of beefing.

3692
04:55:46,222 --> 04:55:49,382
Of course, I'm going to say our episode was the best beef ever.

3693
04:55:49,402 --> 04:55:56,182
I mean, come on, we talked on Friday the 13th and we did Bad Boys with my Sean Penn.

3694
04:55:56,542 --> 04:55:57,742
So, there you go.

3695
04:55:58,082 --> 04:56:00,802
That's the best beef that ever was a beef beef.

3696
04:56:01,402 --> 04:56:03,022
And I don't even think we beefed that much on it.

3697
04:56:03,042 --> 04:56:05,562
I think I kind of talked you into liking the Friday the 13th.

3698
04:56:06,162 --> 04:56:09,522
So, once again, congratulations.

3699
04:56:10,182 --> 04:56:15,342
And I don't know if I ever flipped out on a movie, like walked out of a movie.

3700
04:56:16,182 --> 04:56:19,862
I don't, if I go see something, I know it's something that I'm going to like.

3701
04:56:19,882 --> 04:56:23,402
So, I don't waste my money on stuff that I'm not too sure about.

3702
04:56:23,762 --> 04:56:25,682
Like, Jake will go see everything.

3703
04:56:25,722 --> 04:56:27,982
But then again, Jake likes everything.

3704
04:56:28,002 --> 04:56:30,142
I think Jake liked Bucky Larson.

3705
04:56:32,402 --> 04:56:38,202
So, yeah, I got to say though, I was kind of pissed off at the ending of High Tension.

3706
04:56:38,582 --> 04:56:41,722
The whole movie, that ending just killed the whole movie for me.

3707
04:56:42,002 --> 04:56:45,922
I thought that was kind of weird, that that's how they would decide to end the movie.

3708
04:56:45,942 --> 04:56:48,082
But, you know, I mean, it is what it is.

3709
04:56:48,502 --> 04:56:50,222
But I was kind of pissed off about that.

3710
04:56:50,542 --> 04:56:52,742
But once again, congratulations.

3711
04:56:53,302 --> 04:56:56,902
And, you know, three years is a long time to be doing this stuff.

3712
04:56:56,902 --> 04:56:59,642
And you're still going strong, more than one show.

3713
04:56:59,642 --> 04:57:03,702
So, I guess we'll be celebrating Two Drink Minimum soon.

3714
04:57:03,842 --> 04:57:06,442
So once again, congratulations and peace out.

3715
04:57:06,902 --> 04:57:07,262
Right.

3716
04:57:07,282 --> 04:57:10,522
This is Misty and Ben from the Black Annus Podcast.

3717
04:57:11,462 --> 04:57:14,722
Cinema Beef, happy third anniversary.

3718
04:57:14,742 --> 04:57:16,022
Happy anniversary.

3719
04:57:16,262 --> 04:57:17,482
To our favorite bears.

3720
04:57:17,722 --> 04:57:20,022
We have been given some questions.

3721
04:57:20,042 --> 04:57:21,622
Our three greatest film beefs.

3722
04:57:22,962 --> 04:57:27,202
So we're going to go like the least amount of beef to the most amount of beef.

3723
04:57:27,502 --> 04:57:28,002
Oh dear.

3724
04:57:28,122 --> 04:57:28,602
In order.

3725
04:57:28,622 --> 04:57:29,782
And if anybody knows us.

3726
04:57:30,582 --> 04:57:34,082
Oddly enough, the least amount of beef we can't agree on.

3727
04:57:34,602 --> 04:57:36,482
It's the Halloween remake.

3728
04:57:36,502 --> 04:57:37,582
The Rob Zombie remake.

3729
04:57:37,602 --> 04:57:38,742
Don't send us hate email.

3730
04:57:39,162 --> 04:57:42,902
I voted for Rob Zombie's original Halloween remake.

3731
04:57:43,122 --> 04:57:44,542
And I voted for Halloween 2.

3732
04:57:44,642 --> 04:57:45,682
They're both shit.

3733
04:57:45,942 --> 04:57:47,562
Hated the Halloween remake.

3734
04:57:47,642 --> 04:57:51,902
I hated it because everything about Michael Myers is wrong.

3735
04:57:52,182 --> 04:57:55,562
The whole point of Michael Myers is that he was meant to be pure evil.

3736
04:57:55,582 --> 04:57:58,082
He was from a good, normal suburban family.

3737
04:57:58,282 --> 04:57:59,262
There was nothing wrong.

3738
04:57:59,282 --> 04:58:01,602
He was just evil, incarnate.

3739
04:58:01,942 --> 04:58:05,582
Yeah, but in the second one, they brought in ghosts and a white horse.

3740
04:58:06,062 --> 04:58:07,882
And the fact he was living as a hobo.

3741
04:58:08,142 --> 04:58:08,962
What the hell?

3742
04:58:09,102 --> 04:58:14,682
Yeah, but in the first one, he completely fucked up the entire concept of Michael Myers.

3743
04:58:14,702 --> 04:58:19,402
He's like, oh, he's actually just like a serial killer and his family's all white trash.

3744
04:58:19,422 --> 04:58:21,102
And you know, that's why.

3745
04:58:21,122 --> 04:58:22,702
It's just fucking shut up.

3746
04:58:22,822 --> 04:58:24,002
Ghost and a hobo.

3747
04:58:24,582 --> 04:58:26,242
Okay, yeah, ghost and a hobo.

3748
04:58:26,362 --> 04:58:27,642
The whole horse thing.

3749
04:58:29,562 --> 04:58:30,402
Pretty fucking bad.

3750
04:58:30,422 --> 04:58:35,762
And him as a child telling him to kill people and the river of blood will make it right.

3751
04:58:37,362 --> 04:58:43,482
That's our nomination for our third of the top three film beefs.

3752
04:58:43,582 --> 04:58:44,542
Countdown to number two.

3753
04:58:45,022 --> 04:58:49,462
Yeah, the second one is more my beef than Ben's because he hasn't seen it.

3754
04:58:49,842 --> 04:58:51,242
And it's the I remake.

3755
04:58:51,262 --> 04:58:51,682
I have.

3756
04:58:51,722 --> 04:58:53,102
I was indifferent to it.

3757
04:58:53,622 --> 04:59:01,082
I was not indifferent to it because that is the only movie I've ever watched where I felt insulted as a viewer.

3758
04:59:01,102 --> 04:59:10,342
They tried to dumb it down so fucking much for American audiences that it insulted my intelligence as a viewer of the movie.

3759
04:59:10,342 --> 04:59:12,322
If you can't guess, she's talking about the I remake.

3760
04:59:12,522 --> 04:59:14,422
Yeah, the remake of the I.

3761
04:59:15,062 --> 04:59:19,402
And I was a big fan of the original, but the remake was just fucking patronizing.

3762
04:59:19,762 --> 04:59:21,402
God, it was so patronizing.

3763
04:59:22,142 --> 04:59:31,222
Number one biggest film beef is a movie that Ben and I saw about seven years ago, and we are still pissed off at the movie.

3764
04:59:32,082 --> 04:59:32,362
What?

3765
04:59:32,382 --> 04:59:34,282
Released in 2010, Monsters.

3766
04:59:34,802 --> 04:59:35,642
Yeah, yeah.

3767
04:59:35,662 --> 04:59:45,862
And if any of you have had the unfortunate painstaking job of ever seeing that movie, you'll know that you're like, Oh, Monsters, big giant monsters, mutated aliens, whatever they were supposed to be.

3768
04:59:46,302 --> 04:59:49,542
But no, you get an hour and a half of a woman that just needs to go pee.

3769
04:59:49,882 --> 04:59:57,862
Seriously, like, there's one shot in the whole movie where you see the big aliens in the distance, and it looks really beautiful.

3770
04:59:58,102 --> 05:00:02,522
But everything else in that movie, it is like nothing fucking happens.

3771
05:00:02,542 --> 05:00:03,742
The whole movie is like...

3772
05:00:03,962 --> 05:00:05,802
Them wondering and her needing to go pee.

3773
05:00:05,822 --> 05:00:15,182
Yeah, she needs to pee every five minutes, and we have to go along for this ride of her needing to pee every five minutes, and then she like loses her passport or some stupid shit.

3774
05:00:15,462 --> 05:00:16,522
It's just fucking...

3775
05:00:16,882 --> 05:00:17,882
Oh God, it's boring.

3776
05:00:17,902 --> 05:00:18,582
It's so boring.

3777
05:00:19,202 --> 05:00:21,542
Like, I cannot get that time in my life back.

3778
05:00:22,722 --> 05:00:24,402
Greatest film rage quit.

3779
05:00:24,522 --> 05:00:26,142
I have never rage quit a film.

3780
05:00:26,162 --> 05:00:28,642
I know I had to have at some point.

3781
05:00:29,342 --> 05:00:29,782
I have.

3782
05:00:30,002 --> 05:00:30,842
Yeah, Finn has.

3783
05:00:30,862 --> 05:00:32,822
One movie, and we were looking at...

3784
05:00:32,842 --> 05:00:35,802
You know when you're looking at like, what cool Halloween movies should we watch?

3785
05:00:35,822 --> 05:00:37,402
You know, getting random horror movies.

3786
05:00:37,422 --> 05:00:39,622
I found one called Thanks Killing.

3787
05:00:40,122 --> 05:00:44,162
Now, if anybody ever knows this one, it's a rubber turkey that kills people.

3788
05:00:44,582 --> 05:00:46,102
Which I have no problem with.

3789
05:00:46,122 --> 05:00:51,982
Yeah, I managed to last through six minutes of the intro and then just turned it off because it was just like, what the fuck is this?

3790
05:00:51,982 --> 05:00:54,262
It's on the screen right now.

3791
05:00:54,282 --> 05:00:56,382
See, I didn't rage quit that movie because...

3792
05:00:56,582 --> 05:00:58,662
No, bear in mind, I watched Troll 2.

3793
05:00:58,742 --> 05:00:59,882
Troll 2 is great.

3794
05:01:01,782 --> 05:01:08,522
And the quality of Troll 2 was Hollywood compared to Thanks Killing in, oh my word.

3795
05:01:08,742 --> 05:01:12,442
But you cannot deny that Thanks Killing had a badass soundtrack.

3796
05:01:12,762 --> 05:01:13,302
Yeah.

3797
05:01:13,522 --> 05:01:14,342
Oh my god.

3798
05:01:14,362 --> 05:01:16,462
Some of the doom metal on that soundtrack made me...

3799
05:01:17,202 --> 05:01:23,822
That's why I didn't rage quit it, because I was like, yep, the movie so far is shit, but man, I love the music.

3800
05:01:24,062 --> 05:01:26,642
I should just keep watching it, but Ben wasn't having it.

3801
05:01:27,862 --> 05:01:29,862
It left very quickly though.

3802
05:01:30,022 --> 05:01:31,922
And got deleted and never watched again.

3803
05:01:32,422 --> 05:01:32,862
Right.

3804
05:01:32,882 --> 05:01:36,262
So a film that shaped the way you watch films today.

3805
05:01:36,282 --> 05:01:39,002
Me personally, I'm going to go with Dead Alive.

3806
05:01:39,622 --> 05:01:40,122
Brain Dead.

3807
05:01:41,562 --> 05:01:42,922
For the English listeners out there.

3808
05:01:42,942 --> 05:01:44,942
Yeah, Brain Dead slash Dead Alive.

3809
05:01:45,262 --> 05:01:47,742
Obviously, I've been watching horror movies for years and things like that.

3810
05:01:47,762 --> 05:01:57,162
But that movie really, I don't know, it's like, it gave me more of an appreciation for the ridiculous and over the top.

3811
05:01:57,182 --> 05:02:00,102
And I mean, I had a bit of that sort of appreciation beforehand.

3812
05:02:00,402 --> 05:02:02,262
But when I saw that movie, I was probably...

3813
05:02:02,282 --> 05:02:03,922
It is an epic movie, though, to be fair.

3814
05:02:04,702 --> 05:02:07,402
Yeah, I was probably like 16, 17 when I saw it.

3815
05:02:07,422 --> 05:02:08,522
And it was, that was it.

3816
05:02:08,542 --> 05:02:11,962
I was just, just delight in the carnage, you know?

3817
05:02:11,982 --> 05:02:13,742
Yeah, I had that one of my friends just brought it around DVD.

3818
05:02:13,762 --> 05:02:14,822
He was like, we should watch this.

3819
05:02:14,822 --> 05:02:15,942
And we just got drunk and watched it.

3820
05:02:15,962 --> 05:02:18,402
And it was just one of the coolest things I've seen.

3821
05:02:18,422 --> 05:02:24,402
The one-liners, I mean, God, it just completely gave me a hunger for over the top.

3822
05:02:24,542 --> 05:02:31,062
It was his mother eating her own ear and him walking through the entire room of zombies with the lawnmower strapped to his chest.

3823
05:02:31,642 --> 05:02:33,142
And the priest.

3824
05:02:33,182 --> 05:02:34,562
I kick ass for the Lord.

3825
05:02:34,582 --> 05:02:35,682
The priest, man.

3826
05:02:36,602 --> 05:02:40,442
So what was your film that shaped the way you watched films?

3827
05:02:40,462 --> 05:02:42,302
The original Troll movie.

3828
05:02:42,542 --> 05:02:45,922
Not Troll 2, the one that was actually about a troll.

3829
05:02:46,482 --> 05:02:48,842
How did that like shape the way?

3830
05:02:48,862 --> 05:02:50,342
That's what started it all off.

3831
05:02:50,542 --> 05:02:53,902
I mean, I must have been, you know, eight, nine years old.

3832
05:02:53,922 --> 05:02:58,902
I was a little kid and I remember watching this and it scared the shit out of me.

3833
05:02:58,922 --> 05:03:01,002
I mean, that was the one movie.

3834
05:03:01,142 --> 05:03:02,722
And I couldn't watch it again for years.

3835
05:03:02,742 --> 05:03:04,062
I'm going to have to find...

3836
05:03:04,082 --> 05:03:06,322
But when I did, you know, it's like really, really tame.

3837
05:03:06,342 --> 05:03:11,362
But that's what sort of started me off on my whole horror binge of watching horror movies and enjoying horror movies.

3838
05:03:11,462 --> 05:03:12,862
That's adorable.

3839
05:03:12,882 --> 05:03:14,602
I just remember it just being awesome.

3840
05:03:14,602 --> 05:03:15,942
Just some of the stuff in it.

3841
05:03:16,062 --> 05:03:19,442
You know, obviously at that age, I've never seen anything like it before.

3842
05:03:19,462 --> 05:03:21,402
I sort of set it all off.

3843
05:03:23,022 --> 05:03:25,582
You know, I don't think I've ever seen the original Troll.

3844
05:03:25,602 --> 05:03:28,002
If I did, it was so long ago, I don't remember it.

3845
05:03:28,022 --> 05:03:28,902
Let me get it for you.

3846
05:03:29,062 --> 05:03:30,442
Yeah, we totally got to watch it.

3847
05:03:30,542 --> 05:03:30,822
Right.

3848
05:03:30,842 --> 05:03:33,082
So that's our beefs.

3849
05:03:33,242 --> 05:03:34,822
Happy third anniversary, guys.

3850
05:03:34,842 --> 05:03:38,082
Look forward to many more years of Cinema Beef.

3851
05:03:38,102 --> 05:03:40,282
Our three beefs for three years of Cinema Beef.

3852
05:03:41,562 --> 05:03:42,242
Take care, guys.

3853
05:03:43,262 --> 05:03:50,142
Hey, peeps, this is Wild Man Woods here, and here are some of my greatest film beefs.

3854
05:03:50,742 --> 05:03:58,042
Number one, please stop trying to make all these damn PG-13 horror movies.

3855
05:03:58,562 --> 05:04:13,342
I miss the days of radar horror movies with blood, tits and ass and dismemberments at the movie screen, and I'm tired of all these damn stupid, insidious movies.

3856
05:04:13,882 --> 05:04:15,702
That's beef number one.

3857
05:04:16,142 --> 05:04:17,662
Beef number two.

3858
05:04:18,602 --> 05:04:24,182
Please stop trying to make Superman into a dark and gloomy character.

3859
05:04:24,542 --> 05:04:26,362
He's a symbol of all hope.

3860
05:04:26,802 --> 05:04:28,342
He's the man of steel.

3861
05:04:28,622 --> 05:04:32,222
Stop trying to put doom on gloomy Superman.

3862
05:04:32,242 --> 05:04:33,522
He shouldn't be like that.

3863
05:04:33,922 --> 05:04:35,862
Get your act together, Hollywood.

3864
05:04:36,362 --> 05:04:41,102
That's why Christopher Reeve will always remain to be the best Superman ever.

3865
05:04:41,122 --> 05:04:55,062
And my third beef is, I'm tired of Hollywood not trying to greenlit original ideas for movies.

3866
05:04:55,902 --> 05:05:05,282
I know I love comic book movies and stuff, but I don't want to see new stuff that nobody ever seen before at the movies.

3867
05:05:05,682 --> 05:05:08,522
So Hollywood, get your act together.

3868
05:05:09,302 --> 05:05:19,102
And my movie that I watched that I quit watching it because I hate the movie so much is ET.

3869
05:05:19,502 --> 05:05:21,922
I hate that movie with a passion.

3870
05:05:22,962 --> 05:05:29,522
And the movie that helped me view movies the way I do now is Star Wars.

3871
05:05:29,542 --> 05:05:34,382
Star Wars will be always the perfect movie in my mind.

3872
05:05:34,482 --> 05:05:35,722
So that's it.

3873
05:05:35,742 --> 05:05:37,562
This is Wildman Willis signing off.

3874
05:05:38,022 --> 05:05:38,942
See you next time.

3875
05:05:39,862 --> 05:05:46,562
Well, Love It or Hate It, that was our 30 year anniversary program, and we hope you guys enjoyed it.

3876
05:05:46,582 --> 05:05:47,142
30 years?

3877
05:05:48,522 --> 05:05:50,982
30 years, 30 years of doing this show, people.

3878
05:05:55,582 --> 05:05:59,642
30 years of doing this show, and I'd like to thank everybody.

3879
05:06:02,962 --> 05:06:05,202
I'd like to thank everybody that participated in it.

3880
05:06:05,902 --> 05:06:07,422
I like discussing the talkies.

3881
05:06:08,002 --> 05:06:10,502
The talkies, yes, indeed.

3882
05:06:10,522 --> 05:06:14,562
That's said of the MP3s.

3883
05:06:15,162 --> 05:06:26,022
And to support the show all these three years, I've been through some stuff in my life that made me stop doing the show for a little hiatus or whatnot.

3884
05:06:26,042 --> 05:06:29,982
And I feel that we bounced back pretty good from that.

3885
05:06:30,022 --> 05:06:38,642
And I'm grateful to have my second family here with me to do that and lots of love to you guys.

3886
05:06:38,662 --> 05:06:47,002
If I haven't shown it enough, I love to share to you guys for your constant support and putting up with me basically.

3887
05:06:47,722 --> 05:06:48,362
You guys are all right.

3888
05:07:00,842 --> 05:07:15,542
I do love you a lot and it meant so much to me when you asked me to join this show with you because I always love talking to you, but this gives me the opportunity to talk about some of your mood shift.

3889
05:07:15,662 --> 05:07:22,962
And it's one of the few times I venture outside the genre and just go all over the place.

3890
05:07:24,242 --> 05:07:28,882
And it's fun and I've always wanted a vehicle for that, but we just go all random.

3891
05:07:29,502 --> 05:07:38,122
And I always look forward to talking to you, whether it's on this show or even on other shows, just because I always appreciate your insight.

3892
05:07:38,142 --> 05:07:49,962
You have a fantastic, to say, a knowledge hole in the brain.

3893
05:07:50,042 --> 05:07:52,382
I want to use knowledge hole from now on.

3894
05:07:59,762 --> 05:08:03,082
And I love being with you guys, and with the talking about it.

3895
05:08:08,362 --> 05:08:15,422
You always get my off-kilter references, and my random ass jokes.

3896
05:08:16,622 --> 05:08:18,422
And that means a lot.

3897
05:08:18,442 --> 05:08:19,122
It really does.

3898
05:08:19,542 --> 05:08:21,622
Well, yeah, I understand that completely.

3899
05:08:21,642 --> 05:08:23,762
You get mine too, which I really appreciate.

3900
05:08:24,422 --> 05:08:26,502
And I don't know, I really enjoy working with you guys.

3901
05:08:26,502 --> 05:08:27,502
It's a lot of fun.

3902
05:08:28,062 --> 05:08:35,762
Like Jamie said, Gary makes me watch shit that I would never fucking ever watch in my life.

3903
05:08:36,602 --> 05:08:44,702
So it kind of kicks me out of my shell a little bit and broadens my horizons.

3904
05:08:44,762 --> 05:08:46,582
So you guys are a lot of fun.

3905
05:08:46,602 --> 05:08:48,042
I always look forward to doing this show.

3906
05:08:48,062 --> 05:08:58,702
And I hope everybody who listens picks up on the fact that we all enjoy hanging out with each other and talking about movies.

3907
05:08:59,222 --> 05:09:01,082
I appreciate you guys as well for that reason.

3908
05:09:01,102 --> 05:09:14,282
You guys like I said, podcasters turn me on to do things and X mentions movies that I've never ever heard of before in my life because I'm not calling you old, but you've been on this earth longer than I have.

3909
05:09:22,002 --> 05:09:25,862
So you've been around it and I do what the man to was before I ever met you.

3910
05:09:25,882 --> 05:09:29,902
But you know, it's stuff like weird stuff like the man to and stuff like that.

3911
05:09:29,922 --> 05:09:38,162
Just to point it out to me to say, hey, maybe you should watch this weird piece of garbage because you really might enjoy it and you know, not nine times out of 10.

3912
05:09:38,202 --> 05:09:39,162
You're probably correct.

3913
05:09:39,182 --> 05:09:41,842
Because we I feel that we know each other's tastes.

3914
05:09:42,142 --> 05:09:42,702
I think we do.

3915
05:09:43,142 --> 05:09:45,262
You guys know I'm going to bitch about the horror genre.

3916
05:09:47,602 --> 05:09:56,302
Not in a bad way, you know, because if you like it, you like it, you know, I'm just I just have certain feelings about certain things and I like what I like.

3917
05:09:57,502 --> 05:09:57,902
We do.

3918
05:09:58,002 --> 05:09:59,002
We know.

3919
05:09:59,362 --> 05:10:00,122
Do I do it?

3920
05:10:01,102 --> 05:10:03,062
It's like the angriest curmudgeon ever.

3921
05:10:03,082 --> 05:10:03,662
I swear.

3922
05:10:04,462 --> 05:10:08,462
Did you do I recognize that Gioly genre is a great genre?

3923
05:10:08,962 --> 05:10:09,302
Sure.

3924
05:10:09,722 --> 05:10:12,762
I just don't like it very much because I just I just don't get the appeal of it.

3925
05:10:12,762 --> 05:10:17,482
But I recognize that there's a lot of fans out there who do love it and I could see why.

3926
05:10:17,702 --> 05:10:20,722
But like Blood Black Laces is a really pretty film to look at.

3927
05:10:20,742 --> 05:10:22,422
I just don't think it's very good.

3928
05:10:22,442 --> 05:10:26,622
But it's just regarded by a lot of people as good.

3929
05:10:26,642 --> 05:10:30,402
So, you know, if you like what you like, you like it.

3930
05:10:31,122 --> 05:10:35,262
I'll never, never, ever, ever shit on somebody for liking something.

3931
05:10:36,082 --> 05:10:39,662
This is somebody who's seen the Garbage Field Kids movie at least a dozen times.

3932
05:10:41,602 --> 05:10:42,822
And that's not a good movie.

3933
05:10:42,942 --> 05:10:43,342
No.

3934
05:10:43,362 --> 05:10:45,622
But it's still that I've seen a bunch of times.

3935
05:10:48,722 --> 05:10:51,822
So, yeah, never think that your cinematic tastes are wrong.

3936
05:10:51,842 --> 05:10:56,802
Because, you know, even folks who like Freddy's Got Fingered have a voice.

3937
05:10:56,822 --> 05:10:59,822
And that's what this show is all about, people.

3938
05:11:00,602 --> 05:11:01,522
You having a voice.

3939
05:11:03,902 --> 05:11:08,782
And just like at my wedding, they're going to be like, hey, be minister.

3940
05:11:08,802 --> 05:11:10,582
Jamie, would you like some sausage?

3941
05:11:11,242 --> 05:11:12,222
Don't do that.

3942
05:11:12,762 --> 05:11:13,262
I would.

3943
05:11:15,702 --> 05:11:18,662
The sausage comes after the reception if you know what I'm saying.

3944
05:11:18,682 --> 05:11:22,182
Those are my vows.

3945
05:11:22,622 --> 05:11:24,402
I'll offer them just for your enjoyment.

3946
05:11:24,842 --> 05:11:25,522
Oh, don't do that.

3947
05:11:25,542 --> 05:11:26,142
That'd be bad.

3948
05:11:28,742 --> 05:11:31,622
Well, like I said, that comes after the wedding.

3949
05:11:31,642 --> 05:11:32,522
That's the reception.

3950
05:11:34,922 --> 05:11:35,722
Oh, that's the young world star.

3951
05:11:49,682 --> 05:11:49,862
You got your pocket money.

3952
05:11:50,162 --> 05:11:50,342
You got your pocket money.

3953
05:11:51,462 --> 05:11:52,422
You got your pocket money.

3954
05:11:53,402 --> 05:11:54,322
You got your pocket money.

3955
05:11:58,622 --> 05:12:00,402
Maybe Jamie got tentacled, who knows.

3956
05:12:02,742 --> 05:12:08,522
I'm betting Brian Sammons loves Japanese hentai tentacle porn.

3957
05:12:08,942 --> 05:12:11,122
I mean, I'm just throwing it out there, you know.

3958
05:12:12,362 --> 05:12:16,382
It's so left crafty, as a matter of fact.

3959
05:12:21,022 --> 05:12:21,942
Oh my god.

3960
05:12:21,962 --> 05:12:28,062
But the next show is the show that we're going to record, which I'm shooting for my Mother's Day release.

3961
05:12:28,922 --> 05:12:38,262
So it's going to be a Mother's Day show, and we're going to record it with the Black Annus folks, Misty and Ben, if you guys like that kind of thing.

3962
05:12:38,282 --> 05:12:43,922
They're going to come join us for our Mother's Day program, which is going to feature three films that I hope you like.

3963
05:12:43,942 --> 05:12:47,442
One film I haven't seen in a long, long time, but it used to make me laugh.

3964
05:12:47,962 --> 05:12:48,582
I'm Cable.

3965
05:12:49,122 --> 05:12:54,342
My mom is a werewolf, and we're going to do Serial Mom, which is a film I know I love.

3966
05:12:55,002 --> 05:12:58,022
We're going to do a film that everybody listening to the show probably loves.

3967
05:12:58,882 --> 05:13:02,462
Peter Jackson's Brain Dead or Dead Alive, whatever you call it.

3968
05:13:02,962 --> 05:13:08,942
We're going to do that because we all love our mothers, and those guys all love their mothers as well in those films.

3969
05:13:08,962 --> 05:13:11,922
So it's a common theme for the Mother's Day show.

3970
05:13:13,662 --> 05:13:14,102
But, um...

3971
05:13:14,462 --> 05:13:16,182
What a bunch of mothers.

3972
05:13:16,622 --> 05:13:18,302
What a bunch of mothers, yes indeed.

3973
05:13:21,462 --> 05:13:23,382
Jamie, where can they find your stuff, girl?

3974
05:13:25,422 --> 05:13:26,542
Oh, let's see.

3975
05:13:27,062 --> 05:13:37,282
You can find my stuff, most of it, over at Horrorphilia, like The Skeleton Crew and ABC's of Hidden Horror and Evil Episodes.

3976
05:13:37,282 --> 05:13:42,442
Or you can find some at Legion, like What's Left of Devour and Evil Episodes over there too.

3977
05:13:45,842 --> 05:13:50,242
And you can find me on Twitter at Maven1974.

3978
05:13:51,382 --> 05:13:52,042
Beautiful.

3979
05:13:54,602 --> 05:14:00,882
You can mostly find me on Kiss the Goat, which I host with my beautiful wife, Cutie, where we talk about devil movies.

3980
05:14:01,662 --> 05:14:07,242
And our correspondent, Sin Fallon, does our Satan in the News segment, which is always a good time.

3981
05:14:09,022 --> 05:14:20,122
Let's see, where else can you find me on the Theme Warriors podcast with Doug Tilly and Mike Merriman and Iris?

3982
05:14:24,802 --> 05:14:31,622
And you can find me whatever the hell we recorded on the Guilty as Charged show, The Night Stalker Retrospective.

3983
05:14:32,882 --> 05:14:36,702
I've got a guest shot coming up on Cinema Psiops, which should be out on Sunday.

3984
05:14:37,722 --> 05:14:42,362
And you can find me on Facebook, and I'm on Twitter, Jeffrey X.

3985
05:14:42,382 --> 05:14:42,862
Martin.

3986
05:14:42,882 --> 05:14:48,082
Just look for me and I'll magically show up like the fucking ShamWow guy.

3987
05:14:53,162 --> 05:14:56,942
Yeah, you can find me here, as always, on The Cinema Beef Podcast.

3988
05:14:57,762 --> 05:15:01,002
I'm the Two Drinkers in the Commentaries with Willis and Nudie and all.

3989
05:15:01,022 --> 05:15:07,102
We've been getting some interesting guests on that show, so look for those to come out, hopefully, every Wednesday.

3990
05:15:07,142 --> 05:15:19,022
As I'm recording this show, I'm going to release the Friday Night 1 and 2 one tomorrow, and then by the time this probably will come out, those will be out already, and this one soon after, obviously.

3991
05:15:20,222 --> 05:15:31,322
But besides that, Twitter at GW, Edson and Beef Cast as well, if you guys want to follow us both on Twitter like that.

3992
05:15:32,342 --> 05:15:33,642
Come join the Facebook group.

3993
05:15:34,862 --> 05:15:39,042
I think for this particular show, I'm going to pick three random people off of the list.

3994
05:15:39,302 --> 05:15:49,122
If you guys would like a gift from me, I'll contact you once I pick those three random people, and you guys can win a free gift from us.

3995
05:15:49,902 --> 05:15:52,902
But always check us out on iTunes.

3996
05:15:52,922 --> 05:15:54,722
Yeah, awesome, right?

3997
05:15:55,002 --> 05:15:56,962
Great reviewers on iTunes, please.

3998
05:15:57,502 --> 05:16:06,522
And it might make our nice day a little brighter if you guys did that, and help us get seen better on iTunes and all that good shit.

3999
05:16:07,362 --> 05:16:10,302
Find us on Stitcher Smart Radio, yada, yada, yada.

4000
05:16:10,882 --> 05:16:16,122
If you're listening to this show, you've already obviously already found us, so thanks for that, guys.

4001
05:16:18,382 --> 05:16:23,742
And thanks for, again, by the way, thanks for all the love over these past three years.

4002
05:16:24,382 --> 05:16:29,742
It may seem like it's been a hard road for me, but it probably has, but it has nothing to do with this program.

4003
05:16:29,762 --> 05:16:33,762
This program has always been the best therapy for me.

4004
05:16:33,782 --> 05:16:36,322
I don't want to punch a hole through John Wall.

4005
05:16:36,502 --> 05:16:39,322
So, you know, you people are the best for that reason.

4006
05:16:40,742 --> 05:16:43,002
But remember, always share the CINDY Podcast.

4007
05:16:43,022 --> 05:16:44,762
If you've got beef, we've got the grind.

4008
05:16:44,782 --> 05:16:46,262
See you guys next time.

4009
05:20:53,425 --> 05:20:57,165
Rumbly, rumbly, the train goes under me.