WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:07.519 practical ways. 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:13.839 Hey, guys, welcome to the Bible Guys. We are Chris 5 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:15.519 and Jeff and we are excited to. 6 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:16.120 Be here today. 7 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:17.359 Man, it's good to be here. 8 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.399 Yes, and we are on the Heritage stage. If you're 9 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:23.679 just tuning in for the first time and you're saying, hey, 10 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:26.239 what's with the studio, I thought your studio was different 11 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:26.719 than now. 12 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:29.079 We have some studio changes coming in the future. Yeah, 13 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:31.079 we do, which we're super excited about. But between here 14 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.640 and there, we're in transition. Yes, and so we're sitting 15 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:34.320 on the stage. 16 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:35.280 That's right. That's right. 17 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:38.039 And that's by the way, that's if you're watching. If 18 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:39.200 you're listening, then you don't care. 19 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.920 So today listening, imagine amazing stage. 20 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:44.119 That's right. That's right. 21 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.920 Well, today we're actually jumping to Luke because we're in 22 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.600 the middle of a series what if Jesus had a 23 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.679 podcast and we're talking about famous sayings of Jesus. 24 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:55.079 Yes, but before we do. 25 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:58.640 Desiree has actually written for us a brand. 26 00:00:58.759 --> 00:00:59.759 I think this is a new segment. 27 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:01.119 Yeah, I don't think so I don't think I've ever 28 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:02.960 seen this before, and I'm a little concerned because I 29 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:04.439 only have one sentence. I think you have a bunch 30 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.840 of stuff at all, But mine just says same thing. 31 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:09.920 That's oh, you just have this. So you start a 32 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.599 sentence and I complete it in unexpected ways. 33 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:12.879 Yeah. 34 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:14.120 And by the way, I used to do this all 35 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:16.159 the time in high school, did you. Yeah, so I would. 36 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:19.120 I would memories a tellow and I would sit in 37 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.799 biology class and we would write words and we would 38 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.640 take turns to form a sentence one word. 39 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:25.239 Of the fine. 40 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:27.879 And it was hilarious. It was a really fun game. 41 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.640 Okay, and so I'm not always great at these. 42 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:35.200 Okay, ready for this. You'll never here's a sentence. Here's 43 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:35.599 a sentence. 44 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:35.920 Start. 45 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:41.280 You'll never believe who I ran into the other day when? 46 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:46.120 And then I finished that sentence. 47 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.640 Maybe i'll take, I'll take, I'll take away the word when, I'll. 48 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:52.120 Take when when it's good, when it's good. Uh. So 49 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:54.599 you said you'll never believe who I ran into the 50 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.000 other day when, and I say. 51 00:01:57.480 --> 00:01:58.840 Uh. 52 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:05.959 Uh uh, when I was getting out of jail. Okay, yeah, yeah. 53 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:06.319 Who was it? 54 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.080 Who'd you run into? Yeah? I don't know. Let me see. 55 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:12.879 So you'll never believe who I ran into the other 56 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.000 day when I was getting out of jail dot dot dot, 57 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:25.439 I ran into. Oh geez, these are terrible. Uh Zach Geffron. 58 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:27.639 Nice, there you go first thing at it? 59 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:30.919 And Chris Pratt and who's the other one that you get? 60 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.639 And and uh, Jerry Underwood. There you go. I ran 61 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:34.360 it all three of them. 62 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.159 And by the way, uh, somebody who listens to the 63 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.439 Bible guys regularly gave me a gift on Sunday. 64 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:40.680 Yeah, oh, this was great. 65 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:41.879 And it was a. 66 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:46.280 DVD as if people watch DVDs anymore, which I do. 67 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:47.800 By the way, I do watch DVDs. 68 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:50.680 I don't even have a DVD player in my house. 69 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.879 You're not really, I'm still a VCR my house. 70 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:54.319 Wow. 71 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:59.039 Yeah. But anyway, but he gave me a five movie 72 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:00.639 collection of z Jeff Fron. 73 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:04.680 It's hilarious, which is so funny. He's a dear friend 74 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:04.960 of mine. 75 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:09.360 So the other day on the podcast, you mentioned having 76 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:12.639 guests on the show, and we made fun of Zach 77 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.680 front because this is a recurring joke, and then you 78 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:18.240 mentioned Chris Pratt and Carrie Underwood. Yes, that's right, So 79 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.919 what were you in jail for, Chris? That was you. 80 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:21.919 You're the one in jail. 81 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.680 I'm starting, you started, you're finishing. You're starting a sentence, right. 82 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.080 You said you wouldn't believe who I ran into the 83 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:28.520 other day. 84 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:30.680 When okay, come on, here we go. We're gonna we're 85 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:32.639 Oh wait, is the segment over? 86 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.520 I think so? I think that's it. Oh, I'm gonna 87 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:37.319 do another one, do another one? Okay, yeah, because I 88 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.680 thought that took some work. I'm gonna accustomed to this idea. 89 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:41.599 How about this? Okay? 90 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:42.319 Yes. 91 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:50.960 When I was little, probably one of my most embarrassing moments. 92 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:55.199 Was, oh, boy, wedding my brother's bed. 93 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:58.080 Wow, excellent? 94 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.919 Is that true? It's for you not me. You started 95 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:02.360 the sentence. 96 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:03.960 Oh I see, I'm viewing it for you. 97 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:06.680 And yeah, yeah, yeah, you start the sentence. You know, 98 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:08.280 I'm just finishing your sentence. 99 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:10.599 You No, this is typical. This is typical. What is 100 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:13.560 it is that that narcissistic, narcissistic minds that we. 101 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:16.120 Both have, or something like I'm viewing it like it's 102 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.839 your sentence, and you're viewing it like you're completing myself. 103 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:23.399 You started off saying, I well, because I'm setting it 104 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:25.120 up for you. No, but I thought it was your 105 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.720 sentence no, and I just had the privilege of finishing 106 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:28.040 it for you. 107 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.199 I'm not sure I've ever wet my brother's bed. I'm 108 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:33.079 not sure I've ever done that. Now, did I wet 109 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:33.360 my bed? 110 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:34.319 I was a kid. 111 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:38.000 Yes, a couple of times I did do that. And 112 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.319 by the way, when you wet your bed as a kid. 113 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.000 At least this was for me. This is true for me. 114 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.519 I dreamt that I was going to the bathroom. Oh 115 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:46.000 oh yeah, like I dreamt. I'm like, oh, I have 116 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:46.720 to use the restroom. 117 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:48.439 I dreamt and just didn't get up, and I. 118 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:50.040 Just didn't get up, and I wet myself. 119 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:51.480 All right. 120 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:55.240 Well, so I'll tell you a country boys story. Yep, 121 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:01.120 along those lines. So, country boys, a lot of times 122 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.759 you learned how to use a tree. Right, Sure, when 123 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.079 you're outdoors. Sure, we're way back on the back end 124 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:09.160 of the property or whatever, and it's just country boys. 125 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:10.360 Do you don't really need a tree? 126 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:12.439 So, no, you don't need one. But that's it. So 127 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.560 my dad, I was a young boy, maybe like five 128 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.399 or six years old. We were way back on the 129 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.319 back of the property. We were doing some work all 130 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.160 that kind of stuff. I needed to go and my 131 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:22.639 Dad's like, hey, just use a tree. This is what 132 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:24.240 men do. You use a tree? So I go over 133 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.680 and use a tree. So then I was afraid of 134 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.360 the dark. Yeah, and so I didn't want to use 135 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:32.720 the tree. I didn't want to walk through the house 136 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.720 in the dark. We only had one bathroom in our house, 137 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.639 so I didn't want to walk through the house in 138 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.199 the dark. It was scary. But there was a hole 139 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:43.439 in my floor, and so I just started using that. 140 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.759 I would go down the register and no, I didn't 141 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.079 know what it was. And we rarely ever used our furnace. Yeah, 142 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:53.959 and so then it got really cold. We didn't have 143 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.720 any firewood in the house. Several months later, I'd been 144 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.680 using that every night and my dad turns out on 145 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.319 the front as the whole house smells just horrible. What's 146 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.399 going on? And then they tracked the rust on the 147 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.639 on the on the dock works all the way from 148 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.399 my room all the way down. To be fair, to 149 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:14.800 be fair, like, nobody told you it was a hole 150 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.879 on the floor. It was you were a kid. That's hilarious, 151 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:20.040 isn't terrible? 152 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.040 Well, that's a story right there. That's a country boy 153 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:23.800 story right there. 154 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.639 That's really because we never used the furnace, so I 155 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:28.920 didn't really know what that hole on my floor was for, right, 156 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.839 I didn't know it was for. Yeah, we heated the 157 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:36.720 house with firewood fireplace. Yeah, I got a lot of 158 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:37.839 trouble ruined the furnace. 159 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:39.839 Well, yeah, did you really ruin it for real? 160 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.759 Yeah? Like they like they could heat exchangers rusted out. 161 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:43.439 That's what happened in. 162 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:50.759 Why You Have Rustic Proper. Wow, that's hilarious. 163 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.600 Yeah, so that was a very humbling moment. 164 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:55.439 Sure. 165 00:06:55.680 --> 00:07:02.839 And speaking of humility, Jesus talks about humility in Luke 166 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.519 chapter fourteen. He does, he does, big big fan. He's 167 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:07.519 a big fan of humility. 168 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:09.160 You've done every transition this week? 169 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:09.600 Have I? 170 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:10.000 Yeah? 171 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:12.399 So far? No, Well you got that one. We both 172 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.560 started at the same time and then yeah you finished it. 173 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:16.560 H Yeah, that's hilarious. 174 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.240 Sorry about that. No, no, no, no, all I meaning 175 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.680 is your I just get so excited about it. I 176 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:23.920 can't finish your sentences, but I can transfer the. 177 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:27.759 Reason why I always when Kyle's on and it's cale 178 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:29.279 and I I went through the whole week and didn't 179 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:32.600 do something transition. I forgot because you always there reminded. 180 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:34.519 What's one of our goals is to have terrible transitions, 181 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.879 And that was pretty bad. So we are in Luke, 182 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:42.439 chapter fourteen, verse seven, and the Bible says that when 183 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:44.959 Jesus noticed that all who had come to dinner were 184 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:47.079 trying to sit in the seats of honor near the 185 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:50.160 head of the table, he gave them this advice. When 186 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:51.879 you're invited to a wedding feast, don't sit at the 187 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:54.759 seat of honor. What if someone who's more distinguished than 188 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.639 you has also been invited. The host to come and say, 189 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.000 give this person your seat, and then you'll be embarrass 190 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:01.639 and you have to take whatever seats left at the 191 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:04.560 foot of the table. Instead, take the lowest place at 192 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.040 the foot of the table. And then when your host 193 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.079 sees you, he'll come and say, friend, we have a 194 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.240 better place for you. And then you'll be honored in 195 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.560 front of all of the other guests. For those who 196 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:15.519 exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves 197 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.000 will be exalted. And then he turned to his host. 198 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.079 When you put on a luncheon or a banquet, he said, 199 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.759 don't invite your friends, brothers, and relatives and rich neighbors, 200 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:27.000 for they'll invite you back, and that'll be your only reward. Instead, 201 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:29.920 invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. 202 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.000 Then at the resurrection of the righteous God to reward 203 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.519 you for inviting those who could not repay you. Wow. 204 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:43.919 Yeah, yeah, Well it's definitely a story about humility, it is, 205 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:48.279 and it's about you know, I mean, you know, for 206 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:51.840 those who don't know the culture of having somebody over 207 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:56.840 for dinner, in some ways it's similar then. You know, like, 208 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.600 for instance, you're inviting us over when. 209 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:01.799 Tomorrow, right, just a couple of days. 210 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.519 Yeah, and so you're hosting us, and then another couple, 211 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.879 a few couples, a few couples and uh and so yeah, 212 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.159 you'll you'll do some of these things, right and uh. 213 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.200 But but back then it was a little bit different 214 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:17.039 because when you were invited, it was actually a great 215 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:20.759 honor to invite anybody into your home because what it 216 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.080 meant was there was like an approval, there was acceptance, 217 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:28.000 and then where you sat at the table was huge, right, 218 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:29.679 it was it was everything. 219 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:31.200 It was back then. 220 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.960 It was if you were the firstborn like today, firstborns 221 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:38.000 don't mean much right, right, But back then, firstborns meant everything, right, 222 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:40.159 and and so there's just different. 223 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.759 Things about the culture. That just was very very a 224 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:44.360 big deal. 225 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.840 That is not a big deal today, And where you 226 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.159 sat at a table was a very very big deal. 227 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:51.519 So people walked in. 228 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:55.320 The room and uh, immediately they just wanted to be 229 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.799 the most important, like look at me, like, based on base, 230 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.960 based on everybody here, I'm the most important. Yeah, And 231 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.000 they're like yes, And they took pride in that there 232 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.039 was some statue and you know, a stature in it. 233 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:08.799 I bet you maneuvering. 234 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:13.840 I bet you that there was even you know, the Pharisees. 235 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:16.000 You always give them credit and say they were well 236 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.120 intentioned a lot of times. I bet you that this 237 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.399 was probably even a brand new teaching for the Pharisees. Yeah, 238 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:25.200 for Jesus to say, no, don't do that, because the 239 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.159 Pharisees would have probably been one of the first people 240 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:29.000 to walk in and be like, of course, I'm going 241 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:30.039 to sit at the head of the table. 242 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.360 The desire for success and respectment that you had to climb. 243 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.679 They were self promoters, just like influencers are today, looking 244 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:39.879 for that opportunity to just get a little bit more 245 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.639 visibility because they believed in their message, they believed in 246 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:44.039 the work that they were doing, and so they're always 247 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:47.120 looking for more visibility, looking for more Rabbis would kind 248 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.159 of scramble to see who could get to speak and 249 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:51.639 teach first, all that kind of stuff. It was normal. 250 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:53.799 It's a normal part of society. It still is today. 251 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.120 People are looking for more likes and clicks and all 252 00:10:57.159 --> 00:11:01.159 that kind of stuff, and it's not inappropriate to try 253 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.200 to move your influence and impact forward. That that's not inappropriate. 254 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:10.399 It's it's that scrambling for pushing everybody else down in 255 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.679 order for you to get up. That that's really what 256 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.559 he's talking about there. So he's not saying in the 257 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:18.720 second so he's giving two lessons. He's giving a lesson 258 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.440 to the people at the party, saying, hey, it's kind 259 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.120 of embarrassing when you put yourself at the top and 260 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.360 then they have to move you down. Right, be humble, 261 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:28.799 and it's way better if you get noticed and they 262 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.039 move you up. That's way better. That's all he's saying. 263 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:33.080 He's not saying, don't sit at the head of the 264 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:36.399 table if you're the featured guest that's where you. 265 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.840 Should say, just don't just don't, don't do it yourself. 266 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:42.080 Yeah, don't assume that you're coming in and taking over 267 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:45.240 the space. Right, be humble and let people invite you up. 268 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:49.799 So that's one side. The other side is he teaches 269 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.879 to the hosts, hey, listen, you know, when you throw parties, 270 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:54.279 you don't always have to throw a party just for 271 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:58.399 the insiders, right, how about the people nobody ever thinks about? 272 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.639 What about them too? He's not saying never ever throw 273 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:04.480 a party for your friends. He's saying, have you ever 274 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.919 thought about throwing a party for the people nobody else 275 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:10.440 cares about? Because there's no real reward other than the 276 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:13.559 party itself for you and your friends. But there is 277 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.000 great reward when you step out of your comfort zone 278 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.039 and you start caring about the people nobody else cares about. 279 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.120 That's what he's inviting them to. I think I've told 280 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:23.799 this story before on the podcast many many months or 281 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:28.320 years ago, but I was, you know, I went to 282 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.440 college on a music scholarship. I had a brass a 283 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:36.120 scholarship for playing trumpet, and among my world, I was 284 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:41.320 the best trumpet player in my world. And then I 285 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:43.480 had a number of years where I was a worship leader, 286 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:47.360 leading worship and doing all music and stuff in my career. 287 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:49.440 But I began to realize I didn't know any non 288 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.759 Christian musicians. And I had an opportunity to join this 289 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.840 brass group that was fairly well known, and they were 290 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.159 looking for a couple different people, but one of them 291 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.080 they were looking for the lead trumpet player. I played cornets, 292 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:05.840 but it is the same, and so they invited me, Hey, 293 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:07.279 you want to come and try out for this band, 294 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:09.519 and I knew some of the people in the band. 295 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:12.039 I said yeah, sure, And as I'm driving into the 296 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.159 parking lot, the Lord reminds me of this, don't sit 297 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:16.519 at the head of the table. Sit at the back 298 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:19.000 of the table. It's better to be invited up than 299 00:13:19.039 --> 00:13:20.679 it is to be asked to go down. 300 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.759 The table because first chair is different than second chair. 301 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.759 Yeah. Yeah, and they were looking for first chair solo, 302 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.600 so this is the leader. Yeah. So I come in 303 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:33.799 and I think I probably could have played at that 304 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:36.639 level certainly, but for whatever reason, the Lord told me, hey, 305 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:38.600 remember this, go sit at the back. So when I 306 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.080 walked in, the director was thrilled I was there, and 307 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:42.919 he goes, oh, man, Jeff, Hey, I have your music 308 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:44.039 for it. I said, you know what I was thinking, 309 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.080 I'd love to just assess the band. And he has 310 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.840 a really high view of me, and so I. 311 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:52.240 Said, would this be orchestrac as you keep saying band? 312 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:54.840 No, it was a band. It was a brass band, okay. 313 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:59.399 And so he says he had a high view of 314 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:02.559 me based on reputation or whatever other people had told 315 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:05.080 him things about me. And so he said, hey, I 316 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.120 got this first chair solo music for you. I said, 317 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.200 why don't you give me third chair. Let me go 318 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:11.159 sit at the end and let me just assess what 319 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.120 the band needs and maybe I can I can help 320 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.919 you out that way. And he goes, oh yeah, wow, yeah, 321 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:20.399 that'd be great. And so he thought, what I was 322 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.399 trying to do is figure out what does all that need? 323 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.480 And is this? So I go and I sit at 324 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.200 the end. We go ripping through this music. It was unbelievable, 325 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:31.080 just the very first piece. We hadn't even warmed up, 326 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.399 just block go ripping through this thing. We were done. 327 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:34.840 I lean over to the guy sitting next to me. 328 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.120 He's a retired colonel in the US Army. I lean 329 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.360 over to him and I'm like, my gosh, that was incredible. 330 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.200 I've never played that music before. And he looks at 331 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:42.600 me kind of shrugs and says, none of us ever 332 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.039 played the music before. We're all slight reading it. And 333 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.879 so I went, whoa, this is a tough band. This 334 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:51.759 music's hard. The whole rest of that rehearsal was ripping 335 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.759 and tearing. I could have played the first chair music 336 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:58.720 if I'd practiced and practice and practice and practice at home, right, 337 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:00.759 But I could not have just re through that music 338 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.399 sight seeing, site reading. So when it was all done, 339 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:06.639 I went up to him and I said, hey, this 340 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:08.080 is really great. You know the director, I said, this 341 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:09.799 is really great. I love this music is incredible. The 342 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.600 level of musicians are phenomenal. But what do you really 343 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.159 need more than anything else. What is the hardest thing 344 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.840 you're having a hard time recruiting for. He goes, oh wow. 345 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:20.600 He said, I'm looking for a tenor horn player. I 346 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.120 can't find somebody who played tennreor hoorn. And I said, well, 347 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:26.120 I said, I don't have one, but if you gave 348 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:27.240 me one, I learn how to play it. He said, 349 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:28.960 you're kidding me. I said, if you let me be 350 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.279 in the band. Yeah, I'd love to play that. He goes, wow, Okay, 351 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.639 I said, I'm looking for a new challenge. He said great, 352 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.320 So he gives me this like three thousand dollars horn 353 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.000 and I said, give me a few weeks. I'll figure 354 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:41.679 this out. So it took me a few weeks. Next thing, 355 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.679 you know, I did like fifty six concerts with one 356 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.080 of the best groups I've ever been a part of. 357 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:49.320 We did twelve different events with the Detroit Symphony, fifteen 358 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.679 thousand people a night. It was phenomenal. We did so 359 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:53.679 many great things, and I remember just sitting in the 360 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:55.840 middle of this band, thinking I don't belong among these 361 00:15:55.879 --> 00:16:00.440 amazing musicians. But they didn't know, right. He was just 362 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.759 thrilled that I took this. So taking that back seat 363 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.600 gave me an opportunity for him to elevate me into 364 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.440 another area, rather than me taking that first seat and 365 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.879 realizing I probably really don't belong there. Right, And that's 366 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.360 what Jesus is saying. It's way better to be invited 367 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.320 up than it is asked to be to be asked 368 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.600 to step down. So that's one side of it. But 369 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:23.960 I'll be honest with you, there's been times I've walked 370 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:28.320 into a room knowing that maybe I could sit closer 371 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:30.279 to the top of a room than the bottom of 372 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.240 the room, and I walk in and sit at the 373 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:34.519 bottom and don't get asked to move up either. So 374 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.720 there's always risk on that I didn't assert myself and 375 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:38.240 didn't have the opportunity to come to me and I'm 376 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.799 not talking to music and lots of things right, right, 377 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:43.039 So it's not that this is a law of the 378 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:45.279 Bible that if you sit at the end, God will 379 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.399 always move you up, right, But it is saying that 380 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:50.960 it's better to be asked to move up than it 381 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:52.080 is to be asked to move down. 382 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:54.919 Well, yeah, because it demonstrates humility. And I think that 383 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.159 every person listening can probably relate to this. When you 384 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.840 see a great leader demonstrate humility, it is one of 385 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.519 the most attractive traits. So it doesn't just it doesn't matter. 386 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.759 It's across the board. It's every nation, every culture, right, 387 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.039 somebody who you know deserves to be, you know, revered, 388 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:15.839 and yet. 389 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.920 They won't take credit. And and you'll be like, you're amazing. 390 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.000 He's like, well, we have a really good team around us, 391 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.000 you know, And they demonstrate humility, and they don't want 392 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.759 to take credit and and and uh, you know, their behavior, 393 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:32.319 their posture, their demeanor is all about humility. It is 394 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:35.599 one of the most attractive things. And there's a reason 395 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:39.839 for that. It's because God placed that in you. The 396 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.359 reason why you admire that and the reason why you 397 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.079 think it's great is because that's in you. 398 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:47.079 You see a little glimpse of Jesus in that perces 399 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:49.759 a little bit of glimpse of Jesus. Not fake humility, right, 400 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:51.720 but when genuinely. 401 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:52.920