1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,860 Unknown: For me, I would go and do the teach the lessons, and do 2 00:00:01,860 --> 00:00:04,200 the clinics and stuff. And, you know, I have another friend who, 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,540 you know, they a lot of friends, get their real estate licenses 4 00:00:06,540 --> 00:00:09,780 and stuff. But, I mean, this thing blew up for you, and I 5 00:00:09,780 --> 00:00:13,800 remember, you know, learning about you and going, Wait, can 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,520 you do it a website for me? Now, was I a handful? Am I a tough 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,420 cuff customer? 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,740 No, right? No, I don't think so. You're just, you do a lot, 9 00:00:21,740 --> 00:00:23,840 right? So it's just, they're trying to get it all in there. 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,200 There's always stuff coming from different angles. But no, you 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,720 weren't. The most difficult clients for us are the ones that 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,060 don't care, to be honest, like the ones that are like, I don't 13 00:00:32,060 --> 00:00:34,940 just just do some they're always the hard ones, because you can't 14 00:00:34,940 --> 00:00:38,120 get any information out of them, right? So it's like, you end up 15 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:41,440 kind of trying to chase them down all the time. I prefer a 16 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,020 client that's going to be like, Hey, I have a thing I want to 17 00:00:44,020 --> 00:00:45,100 do. We love that. 18 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:48,100 Yeah. Adam, just between us. I pod this on his mic down. He 19 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:49,600 can't talk. 20 00:00:52,180 --> 00:00:53,260 He's actually pretty easy. 21 00:00:56,620 --> 00:00:58,900 This is the rich Redmond show. He 22 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:05,940 you know, I always thought that, you know, mule town. I was like, 23 00:01:06,180 --> 00:01:08,700 it's be at the bottom of my website, you know, powered by 24 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:11,280 mule town digital, or designed by mule town digital. I was 25 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,280 like, why the heck would he call it mule town? I mean, what is 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,180 that all about? Turns out that Columbia, Tennessee, is mule 27 00:01:18,420 --> 00:01:21,020 town, literally. And now that I live in Spring Hill with Jim and 28 00:01:21,020 --> 00:01:23,480 Jason Aldi and everybody that's moving here is like, You're 29 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,880 right up the street, yeah. And you guys are growing fast too. 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,640 It's booming down there. Man. There's a really cool there's, I 31 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,860 forget the name of it, but there's a cool like Mom and Pop 32 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:34,520 coffee house that I went to that had killer chicken salad 33 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,240 sandwich. And that's how I judge the quality of all Coffee House 34 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,900 culture chicken salad. How is that chicken salad sandwich? Was 35 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:43,480 it Buckhead? Was it that Buckhead? Yeah, there you go. 36 00:01:43,780 --> 00:01:47,260 Good spot. It's a great spot. Yeah, like strong coffee, and 37 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:49,360 they're friendly, and there's a nice seating area. 38 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Have you been to Bruno's yet? I have not been there. Who knows. 39 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,340 Remember we went, Yeah, went a couple of times. 40 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,940 Yeah, we had Italian sausage. We're long overdue. Is it on the 41 00:01:57,940 --> 00:02:02,160 square? It's it's in the apples, essentially. Okay, but where 42 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,400 boomers music used to be? Yes, your old Boomer. 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,300 You talked to Boomer? No, no, I don't know Boomer. Boomers. 44 00:02:12,420 --> 00:02:14,820 He's He's cool. Man, I caught up with Boomer the other day. You 45 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,980 know who's guy who wants to meet him is Zorro. 46 00:02:17,339 --> 00:02:20,099 Oh, Zorro. Zorro is back from each Zoro. 47 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:22,880 I actually took some lessons from him way back in the day. 48 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,240 Man, it's cool. Man, it was really cool. He's, he was super 49 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,720 nice guy, like, great, greater, great player. Yeah, he's great. 50 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,840 He's back. And he had, he posted on Facebook that he has this, he 51 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,660 came up with this prayer, you know, because he's a Superman, 52 00:02:35,660 --> 00:02:40,220 yeah, oh, yeah. And I thought it was, like, just so apropos, 53 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:44,020 because he was saying, you know, hey, I'm in the fall of his 54 00:02:44,020 --> 00:02:46,360 life. It's like, Am I in the fall, buddy? 55 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:51,160 Well, I mean, if you consider that we're born in the spring, 56 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:54,700 and the series of seasons of life are measured typically in 57 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,720 20 years. So the fall would be our you know, year one through 58 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,860 20, or spring would be year one through 2020, through 40 is a 59 00:03:01,980 --> 00:03:07,020 summer. 40 through 60 is fall? Or is it autumn? Autumn? Yeah, 60 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:09,000 yeah. And then the winter is fall, is 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,100 when you fall and break your hips. 62 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:16,500 Now, Jim, for the people that are just listening to this, and 63 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:19,020 I think the majority of our audience housekeeping, first, 64 00:03:19,020 --> 00:03:21,000 it's been a minute when I was well, the part of the 65 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,240 housekeeping is the fact that you shave your beer. Shave your 66 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,560 beard off, I did, and you got this soft Connecticut baby face. 67 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,700 It's very it's very exfoliated because of the beard. Yeah, and 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,220 I'm liking the way the shadow is hitting because it's hiding the 69 00:03:37,220 --> 00:03:40,280 chins. I love it, but that's the one thing I was I was afraid of, 70 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,880 because typically, when I shaved my beard off and when I had the 71 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,200 bald look, yeah, I looked like a human thumb. And I just, you 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,780 know, I think with the hair, it makes a big difference, Yeah, 73 00:03:49,780 --> 00:03:53,680 buddy. And, you know, I look, I look less old, yeah, than I did. 74 00:03:53,740 --> 00:03:56,380 No, my beard was completely freaking white. You're looking 75 00:03:56,380 --> 00:04:00,040 suave. Thank you. Suave. Trying to drop the pounds to lose the 76 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:00,460 chin. 77 00:04:00,579 --> 00:04:03,719 Well, I love it now, now, now you are behind a little bit on 78 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:07,799 your promise, because you said you were gonna a little bit you 79 00:04:07,799 --> 00:04:10,979 were gonna lose 50 for 50 by 50, right? Yeah, that didn't that, 80 00:04:10,979 --> 00:04:13,439 but I'm just gonna keep riding you. And because you're gonna, 81 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:16,979 you can lose, you know what, 51 by 51 I think that'd be great. 82 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,919 Go back to your body for life. Look, with the protein pancakes 83 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:21,019 and all that stuff, you 84 00:04:21,019 --> 00:04:23,599 know, I you know, it's just eating. It's the damn IPAs. 85 00:04:23,719 --> 00:04:25,519 Yeah, I blame the IPAs. I was 86 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,980 gonna try to build and bring some of those peanut butter and 87 00:04:27,980 --> 00:04:29,360 jelly things you like, the 88 00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:33,620 the mixtape, yeah, which is actually at aubrey's in Spring 89 00:04:33,620 --> 00:04:36,380 Hill. Except when you and I went, they were out. They were 90 00:04:36,380 --> 00:04:38,840 out. Suck. They had paper crowns, though, which is a great 91 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:44,140 Are you familiar with Zool beer Adam. It's, oh, man, good stuff. 92 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,200 They're coming to town. They actually, I believe, they have a 93 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,700 partnership or bought southern grist brewing. And Zul beer will 94 00:04:51,700 --> 00:04:53,860 now be distributed here in Nashville. 95 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,980 Don't you love it when every guest says, Have we started? 96 00:04:56,980 --> 00:04:59,740 That's very common a podcast. So this is the thing you you hide 97 00:04:59,740 --> 00:05:01,860 this. Start of the show from your guest. It's a 98 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:05,040 very I gotta say, Dude, I saw a video of you. You just got back 99 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:05,940 from the Northeast, 100 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:09,720 and I was playing other music. Holy moly, fun, right? 101 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,440 You were giving it your all, pal. Well, thanks. Holy crap. 102 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,160 What kind of a band was that? Was that like a Rubik's groove 103 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,420 type of talent band? 104 00:05:18,420 --> 00:05:21,200 Okay, really quick. We're gonna tell everybody what Adams 105 00:05:21,260 --> 00:05:24,500 accolades are, but in the house today, Adam Silverman, What's 106 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:29,480 up, buddy? He made the trip from mule town, and we're so excited, 107 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,660 because he's a drummer. He is a, at this point, almost a 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,220 commercial farmer, business owner, web designer, owner of 109 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:40,540 mule town digital he's he's designed two websites for me 110 00:05:40,540 --> 00:05:44,380 over the year, the second iteration of richremond.com and 111 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:47,320 the current iteration, I like saying iteration, iteration, 112 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,440 iteration of richremond.com You're world class at what you 113 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,140 do, buddy. I'm so excited to shine a light on on what you do 114 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:57,340 today. We originally met when you were an opening act on the 115 00:05:57,340 --> 00:06:00,840 Jason Aldean toward Lauren Elena 2013 which means we know have 116 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:01,560 known each other 117 00:06:02,039 --> 00:06:05,459 12 years. Wow. Yeah, that's wild man, 365 118 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,240 times 12. That's 1000s of days. Yeah, you know, crazy. So I'm 119 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,340 really happy that you're here. Thank you, because I want to 120 00:06:11,340 --> 00:06:16,140 talk about all things and catch up. But no, Jim, I was up in the 121 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:19,260 city, I was up in Long Island, and I was up in Connecticut, and 122 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:21,320 then, you know, to me, a vacation. His toes in the sand 123 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,720 drink in the hand. You never have to, you know, you just do 124 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,320 nothing. You shut off your devices, crystal clear water in 125 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,900 lieu of that, we were like, Let's go up and visit all these 126 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,680 relatives, cousins, second and third cousins, aunts, uncles, 127 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:38,060 nieces, nephews that we never get to see. We did it in Long 128 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:40,960 Island with Kara's people. She's still there two days with my 129 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:46,060 people in Connecticut. Ate all the Greek food, all the Italian 130 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:49,240 food, was nothing but carbohydrates. I'm so proud of 131 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,460 myself. I only gained two pounds. So I'm gonna work that 132 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:55,000 off this weekend with some high intensity training right off. 133 00:06:56,020 --> 00:06:59,920 And in the process, I got to go play some some different music. 134 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,020 And it's, you know, it's exciting to occasionally play 135 00:07:02,020 --> 00:07:04,260 some different music. Some different music. So I played 136 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:06,540 with this band called Acadia, and they're one of the best 137 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:09,000 bands in Long Island, and they invited me up. They said, Learn 138 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,060 these four songs. So we did come on, feel the noise medley going 139 00:07:12,060 --> 00:07:14,640 into Twisted Sister. We're not gonna take it. Then, of course, 140 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,740 you're in Long Island, so you gotta do you may be right by 141 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:20,100 Billy Joel, that's right. And then I love New Wave synth rock. 142 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:23,060 So we learned, let's go by the cars. It was so fun. Did you 143 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:25,400 actually rehearse these or do you just play them off the top? 144 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,740 Now, when I charted them out and I stuck them to the side of the 145 00:07:27,740 --> 00:07:30,020 monitor, and they were so impressed that I took the time 146 00:07:30,020 --> 00:07:32,360 to actually learn their medley, and I was like, of course, 147 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,120 you're inviting me up to play. You know, they're all really 148 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,240 great players. The saxophone player plays in Debbie Gibson's 149 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,320 band, and all the drummers that come through. There's like two 150 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,660 or three iterations of the band, you know, because it's a 151 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:46,300 working, corporate type band, so they got to have two or three 152 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:49,420 drummers in the mix. But the current drummer was this guy 153 00:07:49,420 --> 00:07:51,880 named Frank. And I said, Hey, Frank, are you Italian? But he 154 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,340 goes, Well, let me just tell you this, My last name's got a 155 00:07:54,340 --> 00:07:57,820 million vowels, and I'm from New York, so, yes, I'm Italian. So 156 00:07:57,820 --> 00:08:00,520 we just had a great time. I'm telling you, you're up there the 157 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,420 pizza off the charts, right? We did it in the city, yep. And in 158 00:08:03,420 --> 00:08:06,240 Connecticut, you throw stone, amazing. And there it is, yeah. 159 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,020 But the problem is, is that, ah, it's just a lot of 160 00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:14,400 carbohydrates. It's a carb heavy culture. It is, you know, yeah. 161 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:18,300 Now the other housekeeping is that you want to have everybody 162 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,540 know about the rich Redmond show.com it's a podcast page 163 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,480 that gets forwarded to bruceredman.com thanks to the 164 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,900 gentleman who's sitting here today and his entire team. But 165 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:33,560 we have merchandise. We now have hoodies and hats and shirts and 166 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:38,000 the iconic coffee mug, and you enter the code fall 25 for 25% 167 00:08:38,540 --> 00:08:40,780 off all merchandise. There you go. 168 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,240 It's amazing. I think it probably in November, it'll be 169 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,780 like Santa 25 or something, so you could stock up on your gift 170 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:47,080 giving. 171 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,260 Yes, everybody loves the but I will say this guys, this coffee 172 00:08:50,260 --> 00:08:52,240 mug we have learned the hard way. It's got this kind of 173 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,080 raised almost like Braille. You know? It's like, who was the 174 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,820 blind girl that hid during the war? 175 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,680 There might have been more than 176 00:09:03,060 --> 00:09:04,620 one. Was she blind? 177 00:09:04,619 --> 00:09:07,919 Was she deaf? She was she talking about Helen Keller? 178 00:09:08,219 --> 00:09:10,979 I don't know Anne Frank and Frank. Anyways, I don't think 179 00:09:10,979 --> 00:09:13,139 she was deaf. She might have been blank. You might have been 180 00:09:13,139 --> 00:09:14,579 thinking of Helen Keller. I'm sorry, 181 00:09:14,579 --> 00:09:18,119 guys, really mixing up my my historical figure. 182 00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:22,040 This is why we do music. You do 183 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,880 know I'm 41% Jewish, right? Hey, buddy, you could be all, I mean, 184 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,080 I give you a license to do that. 185 00:09:27,980 --> 00:09:30,980 60% then 60% Silverman, man 186 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,560 McCarthy, yeah. Who to know? Thought, 187 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,900 yeah. Did you do the 23 me thing? 188 00:09:35,900 --> 00:09:40,280 41% Jewish on my mother's side. Go figure she was Yeah. She was 189 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,880 like, yeah. When you get back, we'll have to talk, yeah, yeah, 190 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,400 you're gonna have some fun, huh? You're going out to have a good 191 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,800 time. Yeah, I'm gonna have probably the best time of my 192 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:50,560 life, pinnacle of life, event that I've really looked forward 193 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,780 to. Oh, good. When you get back, we got something to talk about, 194 00:09:52,780 --> 00:09:53,020 mother. 195 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:59,080 Oh, my God, God. Rest her soul anyways. This, this mug is not 196 00:09:59,080 --> 00:09:59,860 dishwasher safe. 197 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,920 Adam's like, I need to leave. 198 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,980 What did we what did we get ourselves into? If 199 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,300 you're listening to this podcast, it means you're already 200 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:12,120 looking to improve your drumming. Why not level it up in 201 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,200 person? With me, when you book a one on one day drum tent, 202 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,660 drummers from around the world have traveled to Nashville to 203 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:21,620 study with me. 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Podcasts are one of the most powerful tools 222 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:27,620 to grow your brand, connect authentically and build trust 223 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:30,680 with your audience, but sounding like a pro, that's what sets you 224 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,860 apart. Visit. It's your show.co. Today, and let's make your 225 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:35,540 podcast sound like it should. 226 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,260 Adam dudes. So you started as a drummer, you're still a drummer. 227 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:43,420 You're still a drummer, once a drummer, always a drummer. You 228 00:11:43,420 --> 00:11:47,860 have a home studio. You've toured, you've recorded, but 229 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:51,520 when what made you decide to start the, you know, the digital 230 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,040 marketing and the web design and all that kind of stuff, yeah, 231 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,520 I honestly it was being on the road. I just, I don't sit still 232 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,260 very well, so I would get extremely bored between shows, 233 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:03,600 right? You know how it is, you're just kind of somewhere 234 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,540 doing something, yeah? And I decided, I was like, Well, I've 235 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:09,600 always been interested in computers. And I had worked for 236 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,720 a web hosting company while I was, when I was in my early 20s, 237 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,600 when I first started touring, I'd come home for the summer 238 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,060 and, you know, they'd let me, you know, sit in and be customer 239 00:12:18,060 --> 00:12:21,380 service and all that. And so I was just into it. And so I 240 00:12:21,380 --> 00:12:23,780 started learning, while I was on the bus, I would just plug, you 241 00:12:23,780 --> 00:12:26,900 know, back in the day, I was like, the USB Wi Fi plug, you 242 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:29,840 know. And I would sit there and just, you know, go through books 243 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,540 and launch course, learn coding, learn how to do it, yeah, 244 00:12:32,780 --> 00:12:34,880 did you use front page? 245 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,440 No, I came after. Front Page was starting to go away. Back then 246 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,840 it was kind of like it was before WordPress and all that, 247 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,360 though. So I mean, you know, it was back when people were still 248 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,720 building, like, their own custom content systems and that kind of 249 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,020 stuff. 250 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:53,860 And well, before front page, it was GeoCities. GeoCities, I 251 00:12:53,860 --> 00:12:57,760 don't remember that really. Yeah, I use frontpage way back 252 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,360 in the day to build some websites, and it scared the hell 253 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,780 out of me to hit that publish button, because it was like, if 254 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:06,120 I hit this, the whole world's gonna see, yeah, it's all, no 255 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,300 one's gonna know. Yeah, no, they won't. Nobody's gonna see this 256 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:14,880 thing. But front page was, you know, it was popular. It was 257 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,400 popular, but so not user friendly. Yeah? 258 00:13:18,060 --> 00:13:20,660 We used to have like, this disclaimer at the company I work 259 00:13:20,660 --> 00:13:23,900 for, like, we don't do front page. Everybody would call and 260 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,120 be like, do you guys do front page? And the guys were like, 261 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:26,660 no, 262 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,360 what was the other big one that came out that was like, like, 263 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,720 after front page everybody it was a Mac product that went or 264 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,020 maybe Adobe, but it was, like, a really go to and everybody 265 00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:39,500 wanted to learn to use it. It was like, Oh my gosh, the 266 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:41,000 learning curve on it was so steep. 267 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,060 Well, like, you know, because Wix is still around and 268 00:13:43,060 --> 00:13:44,440 Squarespace is so 269 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:48,040 easy now, yeah, those are ways I know what you're talking about. 270 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,980 And I can't place the name. I just remember it being like, oh, 271 00:13:50,980 --> 00:13:54,160 that you can, you know, because you had to have, like, a 272 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,100 programming background do these things. Most people that wanted 273 00:13:57,100 --> 00:14:00,360 a website don't, didn't have that, yeah. So there was, I 274 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,380 can't, really can't. There was Adobe Quark dream there was, 275 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:05,160 like, dream weaver, 276 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,500 yeah, that's what it was, yeah, 277 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:08,820 Gary, right. That's 278 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,320 a good one. So you just, you dove in head first. Some guys, 279 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,500 you know, spend their time on the road. Like, for me, it was 280 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:18,960 like, you know, the devil's playground is all that idle 281 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,140 time, right? So I was like, for me, I would go and do the, teach 282 00:14:21,140 --> 00:14:23,480 the lessons and do the clinics and stuff. And, you know, I have 283 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,580 another friend who, you know, they a lot of friends, get their 284 00:14:25,580 --> 00:14:29,060 real estate licenses and stuff. But I mean, this thing blew up 285 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:31,940 for you, and I remember, you know, learning about you and 286 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,200 going, Well, hey, can you do it a website for me? Now, was I a 287 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,480 handful? Am I a tough customer? 288 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,860 No, right? No, I don't think so. You're just, you do a lot, 289 00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:43,840 right? So it's just, there's all, get it all in there. 290 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,200 There's always stuff coming from different angles. But no, you 291 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,720 weren't. The most difficult clients for us are the ones that 292 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,880 don't care, to be honest, like the ones that are like, Oh, 293 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,520 just, just do something. They're always the hard ones, because 294 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,980 you can't get any information out of them, right? So it's 295 00:14:56,980 --> 00:15:00,360 like, you end up kind of trying to chase them down all the. Time 296 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,540 I prefer a client that's going to be like, Hey, I have a thing 297 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:05,100 I want to do. We love that. 298 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:08,160 Yeah, Adam, just between us, I find it is on his mic down he 299 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,200 can't talk. Was he really that tough? 300 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,320 He was actually pretty easy. 301 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,000 Well, the first, the first one was, you know, I didn't even 302 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,180 really have as much going on, but that second one was, like, 303 00:15:21,180 --> 00:15:23,600 really wanted to, you know, to make, you know, put the speaking 304 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,940 in the forefront, because that's kind of where I'm gonna go in 305 00:15:25,940 --> 00:15:28,640 the next 15 years, as far as what I want to crank up. And 306 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,340 it's like, oh, by the way, I do this acting thing. So the reels 307 00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:33,860 gotta be on there. And then every time I would get a new 308 00:15:33,860 --> 00:15:36,440 reel, you'd have to load it up and like, Oh, my God. But 309 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,000 unless, how many employees do you have? 310 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:43,180 I believe now we're up to 11 full time. It's amazing. So 311 00:15:43,180 --> 00:15:43,540 yeah, 312 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,000 I mean, that's a lot of responsibility. Do you ever feel 313 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,860 a weight of that, like, Oh my God, we've got to do well, 314 00:15:47,860 --> 00:15:50,440 because these people are depending on me for food. 315 00:15:50,620 --> 00:15:54,880 It does. Yeah, that's been like the hardest adjustment of going 316 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,000 from, you know, like freelancing and just having clients on my 317 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,440 own to building up the company, is you really are responsible. 318 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,040 And as the company has grown, a lot of our clients have come to 319 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,520 be very dependent, like we're their primary source of income. 320 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:12,840 So it's not just my staff, but also these other people's dreams 321 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,960 and their businesses and their families. And sometimes when I 322 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,260 think about that, yeah, it does. It's, it can be a heavy burden. 323 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:21,800 You know, there's, yeah, there's a lot of, I'll try not to think 324 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,360 about it. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah. 325 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,700 He's got, you know, multiple businesses. He's got employees 326 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:27,920 and stuff, and it's like, whoa. Sometimes he's got a super 327 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,080 stressful, I'm like, what's going on? He's like, Oh, just 328 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,240 the weight of the world. You know, pretty much, you know, I 329 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,480 mean, right, wow. But you do have a mission statement? I love 330 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,240 that. It's to help businesses think bigger, move faster, and 331 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,320 build something that lasts. I love that was, did that come 332 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,180 along easily, that that mission statement? 333 00:16:43,180 --> 00:16:45,820 Yeah, I mean, just because, like, really, when I started the 334 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:48,520 business, I was working for so many different agencies, and I 335 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,060 always felt like they just didn't follow through, right? 336 00:16:52,060 --> 00:16:54,280 It's like they would do the thing the client asked for, and 337 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,980 then turn them loose, and the clients coming back on, well, 338 00:16:56,980 --> 00:16:59,440 what do I do now? I got this website, I don't know what to do 339 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,460 with it, and I didn't like that. I felt like, there's got to be a 340 00:17:02,460 --> 00:17:05,340 way to get these people's websites online and then, you 341 00:17:05,340 --> 00:17:08,520 know, help them market and help them grow. And so we really say 342 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,920 that we're like, at this point, I would say mealtime digital is 343 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,980 like a growth marketing company. People come to us when they've 344 00:17:14,220 --> 00:17:17,220 kind of hit a plateau, or they're ready to start a new arm 345 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:19,200 of the business, or something like that, and they're just 346 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,160 like, we want to grow this thing. It's doing X amount of 347 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,460 money. We want to do this much more. And that's where we that's 348 00:17:25,460 --> 00:17:28,160 kind of our sweet spot. So you create custom email campaigns 349 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,480 and such marketing, SEO and PPC management and email marketing 350 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,660 and social and, you know, all the things that we do to, you 351 00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:38,060 know, help them get their you know, help them promote 352 00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:41,500 themselves. Because a lot of these businesses, if they don't 353 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:43,960 have an internal marketing director, gets left to the 354 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,840 owner. And you know how it is, the owners running around, doing 355 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:50,620 10,000 jobs. And the last thing they want to think about is, you 356 00:17:50,620 --> 00:17:53,320 know, what email am I going to send for, you know, Thanksgiving 357 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,140 holiday or what am, you know, how am I going to engage these 358 00:17:56,140 --> 00:17:58,540 clients to buy from me? Again? They don't have time to think 359 00:17:58,540 --> 00:17:59,320 about that, you know. 360 00:17:59,380 --> 00:18:02,760 Yeah, so I'm just trying to think how you would advise 11 361 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,220 people to do their job in the most efficient, effective 362 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:09,540 manner. Do you have? Is it one? Is it 11 one trick ponies? Or is 363 00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:12,600 it 11 people with that do a little bit everything? 364 00:18:12,780 --> 00:18:16,140 It's that, it's more that we do have some specialists on our 365 00:18:16,140 --> 00:18:18,600 team, like our development lead Jonathan, like, that's really 366 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,340 what he does. He just codes all day. Yeah, our designers kind of 367 00:18:22,340 --> 00:18:24,860 bounce back and forth. But, yeah, a lot of our team wears 368 00:18:24,860 --> 00:18:27,680 lots of different hats. You know, we'll go from strategy to 369 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,320 execution, and it's the same crew that's doing the work. You 370 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,520 know, it's amazing. 371 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,020 Well, everybody you know, who are some other clients that like 372 00:18:36,020 --> 00:18:38,660 that are model home sites? 373 00:18:39,140 --> 00:18:42,700 I would say, Well, we, one of my favorites that we've released 374 00:18:42,700 --> 00:18:47,080 recently is a company called sport aid. And they are, they 375 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:52,180 sell ADA items like, you know, they started out doing racing 376 00:18:52,180 --> 00:18:56,380 wheelchairs, and then they've grown into all the ADA, you 377 00:18:56,380 --> 00:19:00,720 know, they do catheters and, you know, medicine fun, but you 378 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,880 know, it's like, it's interesting, though, because 379 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,120 those people literally rely on them, right? Like, without that 380 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:08,220 stuff, they can't, you know, their wheel goes out on a 381 00:19:08,220 --> 00:19:11,820 wheelchair, and it's like, I can't go anywhere, yeah? And so 382 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,020 we that site took us about two years to conquer, and then we've 383 00:19:16,020 --> 00:19:18,840 got another one right now. It's like, in the hunting space, it's 384 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,880 called tetrahering, and they do these really cool custom in ear 385 00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:26,600 molds, like musician molds, but for hunting. So they've, like, 386 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,780 got these algorithms programmed in where, when you're wearing 387 00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:32,960 them, you know, you can hear like the ducks moving or flying, 388 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,800 but when you shoot nothing, so it's like a protection, but it 389 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,920 also, like enhances the experience for these guys, and, 390 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,400 you know, for people that hunt legitimately, that's like a way 391 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,000 of life, right? Like they but they tend to not protect their 392 00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:48,640 ears. And so by the time their grandfather's taken the 393 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,700 grandson, they can't hear Wow, because they've been shooting 394 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:53,860 with, you know, a bullet shoved in their ear, out in the, you 395 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:57,160 know, out in the field. And so this company is really, they've 396 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,920 done a lot of research tying like hearing loss into. 397 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,300 Alzheimer's and that kind of stuff. And so the mission really 398 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:07,020 is to try to prevent that in hunters, you know, to prevent 399 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:09,720 that progression of disease by protecting their hearing, which 400 00:20:09,780 --> 00:20:12,900 is, you know, as a musician, you know, can't hear, you're in big 401 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,120 trouble. So do you have some hearing loss? Have you been had 402 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,460 your ear checked? I have. I'm one of those weird ones that 403 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:21,620 doesn't have any loss. Yeah, since I was a kid. I my parents. 404 00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:24,260 When they bought me my first snare drum, they bought me, you 405 00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:27,320 know, those big gun headphones that sit on my head. I never 406 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,080 really stopped wearing them, you know, just I didn't like that, 407 00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:34,640 that hi hat, man, it hurts. Are you a pasty guy? No, I'm a 408 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,180 saving guy. Thanks to you. You switched me. I got you. You did, 409 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:38,300 yeah. 410 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:40,040 Man, save a few bucks. See, 411 00:20:41,060 --> 00:20:43,600 with great power comes great responsibility. It's like, you 412 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,700 know, it's like, if I see somebody playing the wrong 413 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:46,360 brands, 414 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,960 you really did. You were like, Hey, Adam, what do you think 415 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,140 about I remember we weren't very far into the tour, and you're 416 00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:55,120 like, how do you feel about Sadie? And I was like, well, 417 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,400 your symbols sound great, you know, love them. And you're 418 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,260 like, maybe you should talk to them. Wink, wink. 419 00:20:59,260 --> 00:21:03,480 You know, it's almost like they should be sponsoring 420 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,420 Mr. Furley over there. 421 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:10,740 Well, dude, I love that. And that is just, I mean that that 422 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,280 you said five or six years you guys been around, so it was 423 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,820 either 2020 pandemic or was 2019 right before, 424 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,500 yeah, I think it was right before pandemic, you know, yeah, 425 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:24,200 that's right. It was right. It was literally, I think, right 426 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:24,500 before 427 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:27,140 it, because I was spending a lot of time in sunny Los Angeles, 428 00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:29,960 and I think we designed the entire site over the phone, yep. 429 00:21:30,860 --> 00:21:33,500 And I'd be like, guys, it's 9am here, and you guys were like, 430 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:36,680 off to the races. And I people were, you were like, did you go 431 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,720 through that earthquake last night? I was like, what 432 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,360 earthquake? Like, I never even felt them. But people were like, 433 00:21:41,420 --> 00:21:44,260 yeah, it was a such and such and such rector scale. And I was 434 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:46,000 like, my god, no, I didn't feel I slipped right 435 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,220 through it. You never had any earthquakes all that time you're 436 00:21:48,220 --> 00:21:49,060 out there, but 437 00:21:49,060 --> 00:21:50,980 you just sleep right through Yeah, 438 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,360 only when I visited. 439 00:21:54,940 --> 00:21:57,940 So, so that's fantastic. And then, well, tell us about your 440 00:21:57,940 --> 00:22:01,500 roots as a professional drummer. Remind me where you're from. 441 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,640 Originally from Westminster, Maryland, so like 40 miles west 442 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,480 of Baltimore area. 443 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,400 Oh, yeah. So crab cakes. Very much, 444 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,180 crab cakes. But is it Baltimore or Baltimore? 445 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,020 Well, I guess if you're from there, I say Baltimore, but I 446 00:22:16,020 --> 00:22:19,080 think Baltimore is that reserved for the actual residents of 447 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,860 Baltimore? It is, yeah, like, they, you know, my favorite is 448 00:22:21,860 --> 00:22:25,100 always like, Tuesday. They say it like, instead of Tuesday, 449 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:28,220 it's Tuesday or Wednesday. And I'm like, it's a very Midwestern 450 00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:30,920 thing. It's, yeah, apparently, a big Maryland thing 451 00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:33,680 too. Voldemort sounds like something from Harry Potter, 452 00:22:33,740 --> 00:22:38,480 right? Oh, gotcha, yeah. So do you still have roots there? 453 00:22:38,540 --> 00:22:42,700 Yeah, my my mom and dad and my brother and, you know, wife and 454 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,000 niece and nephew are all still up there. So, you know, we get 455 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,060 up there, you know, once every other year. So I've got little, 456 00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:52,840 well, no, that's a little bit more two boys that are seven and 457 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,320 eight just a year apart. And so, you know that 1213, hour run is 458 00:22:56,620 --> 00:22:59,980 that your wife is still there? Her people know she, no, it's 459 00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:01,920 all my family. Oh, hurt my brother's wife. 460 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,960 And, oh, your brother's, yeah, yeah. I thought you mentioned 461 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,520 your wife. Like, that's interesting. I heard 462 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,660 that too there. That's nice. So, so you so you like, I mean, 463 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:11,580 that's the thing with Connecticut. I got up there and 464 00:23:11,580 --> 00:23:13,740 I was like, Man, this is really charming. And then the, you 465 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:16,020 know, the leaves are going to be changing colors, and you can get 466 00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:18,960 to the water, and, you know, just every strip mall has got a 467 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,740 world class, you know, pizzeria or Greek restaurant. You're 468 00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:24,920 like, this is, yeah, I can, I can live here because the roots 469 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,400 were there. 470 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,640 Salutation is, what do you want? Hey, that's right. 471 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,400 Hey, fuck you. Have a nice day, right? You know? But New York 472 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,900 is, like, you know, we had somebody that we looked like we 473 00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:39,860 were come up off the subway. Kara got Cara's in New Yorkers 474 00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:43,240 20 years. She lived there in the city, 20 years, and so she but 475 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,760 she just got turned around for a second, and this very nice lady 476 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,240 was like, Where are you going? Let me help you. Someone 477 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,840 stopped, yeah, it was a thing that's awesome. 478 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,680 It's different, yeah, because typically they're like, you 479 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,900 know, oh yeah, let's do it. Let's get them really turned 480 00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:05,340 around. Yeah, you want to go north to Harlem, yeah, okay. I 481 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:10,260 actually went there in 2018 Yeah, and took the family. All I 482 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:12,660 could spend was maybe two days in New York City, and I was 483 00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:16,080 done, yeah. But we'd come up to the, like, a corner, and I'd be 484 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,840 like, where, how do you get down to that World Trade Center? We 485 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,220 gotta go check that out, not put on, like the rubber band, and 486 00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:24,380 you'd see these people, like, you'd see some people that 487 00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:26,540 wanted to help, and then you'd see the other people like, oh, 488 00:24:26,540 --> 00:24:29,060 we could totally screw this opportunist, 489 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:34,880 opportunist, interesting Jim pranksters. The bagels I got, 490 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,140 they got my the vegan smear on there. Yeah, the tofu smear half 491 00:24:39,140 --> 00:24:41,920 it ends up on the plate because they put too much on it, and you 492 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,740 go to bite into it, it's just oozing out the sides. Yeah, 493 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,800 guys, they should save money and not put so much fear on this. 494 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,160 Use less profit margin. Profit Margin out. 495 00:24:51,159 --> 00:24:53,679 It's something in the water. It really is. That's the thing. I 496 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:56,619 mean, it's the food up there. Is so great. The people are not, 497 00:24:56,919 --> 00:24:57,159 yeah, 498 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,620 we're losing two. Listeners on the East Coast picked up, but we 499 00:25:01,620 --> 00:25:03,600 went to, like, a late night diner, and we just had an 500 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,480 amazing experience, like it was, it was unbelievable. And the 501 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,420 fries were like McDonald's french fries, and they were 502 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:12,900 thin, thin McDonald's steak fries, fantastic. Did you have 503 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,900 with gravy and cheese on them? No, that's for the Canadians. 504 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:20,280 No, that was my meal of choice back when I was 18. Chocolate 505 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,040 milkshake geez, Jim. I know I could digest that son of a bitch 506 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,720 in five minutes. It's incredible for foodies, I guess. Man, you 507 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,480 know, I had a burrito today, the Cali burrito. Have you ever gone 508 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,700 there in the shopping center, right next to Publix? Ah, it's 509 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:38,720 really good. Thanks for the invite. Look at this guy. It's 510 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,140 crazy. 511 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,120 You get taco breath on the microphone. Wow. 512 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,700 So when did you get into the drums? Were your parents 513 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:46,240 musicians? 514 00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:50,980 No, ironically, neither of my parents did any sort of music. 515 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,460 It turns out that my dad, at retirement age, decided to take 516 00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:58,000 up the saxophone. He's actually pretty good at it. My 517 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,940 grandfather was big piano and organ guy. I just remember, you 518 00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:05,280 know, you're in school, and it's like, you got to pick, you know, 519 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,100 we're going to do an instrument picking. So I wrote down, you 520 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,400 know, I want to play drums. And I remember they the teacher 521 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,560 coming to me and saying, Well, we have a lot of people that 522 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,320 want to play drums, you know, we'd like for you to play the 523 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,540 viola. And I literally went home crying, you know, to my parents, 524 00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:23,480 like, they want me to play the viola. I don't want to play, you 525 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,300 know, I really want to do the drums. And so my parents were 526 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,240 like, look, he's been taking, you know, drum lessons. Like, 527 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,120 why don't you let him play a little bit? Yeah, you know. And 528 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,520 so, of course, you know, I already knew how to read at, you 529 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,240 know, third grade I was, do you know? And they're like, Oh, 530 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,500 well, he knows how to read all the drum parts. Like, maybe he 531 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,380 should play drums. And so they switched me in and and that was 532 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:47,140 it. I carried that little, you know, the Ludwig snare, the 533 00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:51,220 educational combo I used to haul. We were literally, like a 534 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:54,880 half a mile dirt road to the bus stop, and I would just haul that 535 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,640 sucker, drag it, whatever I had to do to get it to school, 536 00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,040 because I was going to bring it home, because I wanted to 537 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,640 practice. And so it just, it started there, and then, I 538 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,920 guess, in high school, I figured out, hey, I can get girls with 539 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,440 this whole music thing. So then I got really 540 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,560 into it, you know. But who so? Who are your favorite drum set 541 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,040 players? 542 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:15,120 Oh, man, geez. I mean, growing up in Baltimore, I listened to 543 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,440 Dennis Chambers from, you know, very early on. Was definitely a 544 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,520 huge influence, because he would show up randomly in Baltimore, 545 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,760 at wherever, and with some funk band, and you see him, and 546 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,380 you're like, oh my gosh, like, 547 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,900 at the time, well, I think his first big gig was like, I think 548 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:33,140 he was one of the many drummers in the lineage of P funk, yes, 549 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,960 and you know, but see, we're you and I are 11 years apart. So how 550 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,560 about that John Schofield record? Blue Yeah, that 551 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,640 was the one. And he had that he I had the cassette, you know, of 552 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,300 the drum instructional video of him. It was a Hudson music, yes, 553 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:52,840 yes. And I literally wore that thing out like it just 554 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,060 eventually there was no tape left in there 555 00:27:55,060 --> 00:27:58,480 was the stuff you'll never be able to do no matter how hard 556 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,380 you practice volume. 557 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,000 But actually, Adam has those, has those, has those hands and 558 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,460 chops. I mean, you were, when you were with Lauren Elena. I 559 00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:08,520 mean, you play, yeah, man. I mean you were, I was like, damn, 560 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,400 but this guy's getting away with murder. But, I mean, but you 561 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:18,300 know that? You know, boom, got doomed, dude, god, dude. 32nd 562 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,160 notes on the left, oh yeah, it's the bottom, the bottom, skiffle 563 00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:26,180 man, when I got older, and I go back and I see these clips of 564 00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:29,360 this now, you know, on Instagram and stuff like that, it, it's 565 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:33,020 the you realize, like, how talented they all were, right, 566 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:35,660 as, like, Gary Granger was playing bass, and John 567 00:28:35,660 --> 00:28:38,660 Schofield, and you're watching them, going, how in the world, 568 00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:41,680 like, there's so much sound coming out of That crew of I 569 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,340 guess it was like, four guys, and you're just like, no tracks, 570 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:47,560 no nothing. They're just playing. And it's, it was, how 571 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,040 many times 572 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,380 did you go to like, when they would have like, a riff, like 573 00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:53,260 Dennis would go off and to start soloing, and the rest of the 574 00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:58,720 band is just like, you know, boom, you know, all together. 575 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,980 They're, they're, they're hitting the one. I always like 576 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:02,340 one, 577 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:07,200 right? I always feel bad for for guys in Fusion bands that have 578 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,220 to play some insane rhythmic ostinato while somebody is 579 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:11,760 slicing it 580 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,640 crazy, you know what I mean? And that's, 581 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920 that's actually, there's actually some of that stuff on 582 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,640 that record, that blue matter record, and I thought that was 583 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,460 one of Schofield best bands. And then he had, he had another band 584 00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:28,460 with that record, loud jazz, and it was Omar Hakeem. 585 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,600 Yep, that stuff is so ancient now it's like 25 years old. 586 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,480 Man longer over older than that. I know it's crazy. Yeah, that 587 00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:37,700 was the 90s. I want to say maybe even the 80s, 588 00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:40,300 yeah. And I learned that, you know, Dennis always had a super 589 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:43,720 colorful shirt button up on, yep, all the way up the long 590 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,640 hair, you know, oh yeah, and then a completely stoic upper 591 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,120 body with just arms flailing everywhere, you know, octopus 592 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,200 mode. Compared to my slouching and sweating and grunting, he 593 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,200 was, he just, it's all right here, man, he was, yeah, 594 00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,800 incredible. 595 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,260 So. Oh, Dennis chambers. Dennis was a huge one, and then I got, 596 00:30:04,260 --> 00:30:07,560 you know, I was really, really into, like, you know, Primus and 597 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,700 that kind of stuff, you know. No, I was not. No, you won't 598 00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:14,760 find me on a bus again. I don't think so. Your touring days are 599 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,180 behind you. Yeah, I definitely think so. I didn't travel well, 600 00:30:18,180 --> 00:30:21,980 you know, in having done it for, I did it for, I guess, 1516, 601 00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:25,580 years, and at some point I realized I was really fighting 602 00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:30,620 myself. You know, I loved the drumming part so much, but I 603 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:33,620 disliked the rest of the part of the road. I just didn't like the 604 00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:37,400 travel. And so my grand idea was, well, I'll just go home and 605 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,200 be a studio player. And then I realized that that market was 606 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,540 going to change because everybody started having home 607 00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:46,420 studios, and it was, it was just going to be different than what 608 00:30:46,420 --> 00:30:50,080 I kind of dreamed of. And so I, you know, kind of started making 609 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,440 that pivot. But yeah, I always tell people, even if, like, my 610 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,260 favorite artist in the world was like, oh, I want you to go out, 611 00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:59,620 I don't know that I could handle being out there, you know, yeah, 612 00:30:59,680 --> 00:30:59,860 it 613 00:30:59,860 --> 00:31:02,220 just so it's a sleeping in the bunk, and the 23 614 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,940 hours, yeah, yeah, you know. And when I start, it was like, the 615 00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:08,280 music, the playing for everybody, made it worth it, 616 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,460 right? Because you just get this huge rush, and it's so much fun. 617 00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:13,740 And all the other musicians that we were always out with were 618 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:16,140 just so talented. So I would just sit there and watch 619 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:19,500 everybody else play, and it was just, I loved that part. But 620 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:22,760 everything leading up to, you know that six or seven o'clock 621 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,240 start time, I just couldn't, couldn't fill the hours. Yeah, 622 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,900 and then, of course, I met my, my now wife, and how'd you guys 623 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:34,040 meet? We met actually at a therapeutic horseback riding 624 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,320 center, actually called saddle up. It's up in 625 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,800 the old Hillsboro Road in Franklin 626 00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:44,380 therapeutic. So good for the mind and body, actually. 627 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:47,620 Well, it's targeted at children that have just like autistic 628 00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:52,660 children or ADHD or, you know, I mean, everything you can 629 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:56,440 imagine. And I knew nothing about horses. I was just going 630 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,800 through a really hard lifetime transitioning from being on the 631 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,300 road and and I thought, well, you know, I'll volunteer in 632 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:06,240 between. And so I randomly decided to volunteer at a horse 633 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,300 farm. I didn't know anything about horses, like zero, and I 634 00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:12,540 showed up there, and my now wife, Heather, was the trainer 635 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:16,560 and the equine director of the farm. And so they sent me. 636 00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:19,080 They're like, We don't want him with the kids, like, let him go 637 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,280 do manual labor kind of thing, you know. And so they shipped me 638 00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:24,800 out there to Heather, and we started cutting down trees 639 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,100 together. And that just, it just went from exploded now to 640 00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:31,100 romance, yeah, now we're 1010. Year wedding anniversary was in 641 00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:31,400 May. 642 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,520 So, oh, Congrats, buddy. And I think now all this time, I don't 643 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,960 think I've ever met your 644 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,080 wife. I don't think so. Yeah, no, she. Guys live down here in 645 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,860 Williamsport, Tennessee, Williamsport, so just kind of 646 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:45,400 out the Natchez Trace, basically, Oh, wow. On a farm, 647 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,480 it is a farm, yep, 648 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,880 which would be my next question. 649 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,220 Make you're making hay while the sun is shining. That's right. 650 00:32:59,260 --> 00:33:03,300 But I mean, you know? And then there was a rough period there 651 00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:06,420 where there was a fire, yep, yep, yeah, and you're still in 652 00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:06,960 the same place. 653 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,040 Yeah, we're still Yeah. So we had an unfortunate incident with 654 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,820 our oven. My wife, she bakes a lot of bread, and she wanted to 655 00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:16,860 bake bread. We've been on vacation, so she's like, well, 656 00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:19,560 I'll just run the oven through the cleaning cycle. And 657 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,520 something went wrong in the ovens computer, and it wouldn't 658 00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:27,740 stop heating. So it went from 400 to 500 to 600 and then the 659 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:32,180 screen just said hot. And it was like, what it's lost was it 660 00:33:32,180 --> 00:33:37,640 electric. It was a gas oven. Oh, and it eventually melted the gas 661 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,220 line and then exploded. And so it it exploded. It took our 662 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:46,360 house about 15 minutes to pretty much burn all the way down. It 663 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,100 was just such a big fire. But I had built my drum studio, and a 664 00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:54,880 three car garage kind of separated from it. And so after 665 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,940 the house fire, we renovated that. And so we live, you know, 666 00:33:57,940 --> 00:34:01,080 in the in the drum studio, yeah, literally, yes. So my drums 667 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:04,320 went, my drums went. We finished the downstairs. They went down. 668 00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:07,740 The family went to the upstairs part. And so, yeah, so we, we 669 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:09,960 were able to get back onto the farm pretty 670 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,120 quick. But, yeah, yeah. So how does that work? 671 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,220 I mean, he got the, he got the money from the insurance. Oh, 672 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:14,520 yeah, well, 673 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,480 I mean, there's insurance, but I mean, also manufacture defects, 674 00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:21,500 you know, it we pain and suffering, all that stuff. 675 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:25,280 We pursued it about as hard as you could pursue it. And just 676 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,280 turned out that most of the lawyers we talked to felt like, 677 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,040 you know, you're going up the against these huge corporations. 678 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,220 And they were just going to say, well, the insurance gave you 679 00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:36,680 money like the part they don't tell you is all the time it 680 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,740 takes, right? That's what it was. It was, it was rough on the 681 00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:42,340 business for about six months where I had to, you know, 682 00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:45,880 basically I couldn't go in, you know, because I just had phone 683 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,060 calls and meetings and insurance this and claiming this, and 684 00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:52,000 writing all our stuff down. And it was, it was a, it was a long 685 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,440 road, and then Morgan, and Morgan 686 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,000 shows up at your front door. That's 687 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,580 who, I mean, is that, you know, you'd figure that somebody would 688 00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:58,960 just take it on contingency. 689 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,340 We tried them all. We tried about probably called 50 law 690 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:04,140 firms, and they were all like, well, it's, you know, 691 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:09,120 ironically, hard to prove right, because it burns itself up, so 692 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,520 there's no real evidence, like, we could have done something 693 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,200 wrong. And so, yeah, how long ago was it's been? We just had 694 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,880 our two it's just been two years, 695 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,980 just now. So like, you should have filmed it or something. 696 00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:22,520 Like, you know, this, I can't turn this thing off. Yeah, it 697 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,840 was, it was scary. 698 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:29,180 Oh, you guys are okay, yeah, it was my stepson, Trey, was in the 699 00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:33,560 basement, you know, asleep in our little pub down there. And I 700 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,840 went, I'm like, where is he, you know? I was like, well, he's 701 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,060 down the basement. And, you know, when I went into the 702 00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:41,320 basement, I mean, you could see fire in the ceiling, you know, 703 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,340 there was, it was just like, oh, like it went from it's smoking a 704 00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:49,180 lot, to Oh, no, what it was, you know? I mean, just like that. 705 00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:52,480 And, of course, we're in the country, so the there's no fire 706 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,420 hydrant right there, so they had to, you know, truck water in. 707 00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:57,520 And it was an ordeal. Man, oh, 708 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,260 country living. Man, wow, 709 00:35:59,260 --> 00:36:02,040 is there. What can we ask? What the manufacturer was so we can 710 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:02,760 avoid them. 711 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,320 I probably shouldn't say that, Magic Chef. I probably magic. 712 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:09,060 Yeah, don't buy magic. 713 00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:11,700 Well, we, you know, we went to go rent a car yesterday from 714 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,360 enterprise, which is usually one of the more expensive, you know, 715 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,380 firms. There's companies usually on the higher side. It's not 716 00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:21,500 budget, it's not, you know, it's usually 717 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,500 higher. I feel like they all run together now, well, aren't they 718 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:25,400 also owned by renting 719 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,460 cars is a total shit show, and something always goes wrong, and 720 00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:32,660 someone is always unhappy. But they were like, we're pretty 721 00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:36,020 much out of, like, you know, mid sizes and Bubba Buck compacts. 722 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,080 They gave us this little shoe box smaller than a Honda Fit. 723 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,520 Was made by, manufactured by Mitsubishi. And I was like, wait 724 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,260 a minute, Mitsubishi makes stereos and washers and dryers, 725 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,680 not cars. They do make cars. They do make cars, but not 726 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,500 anything you want to drive. And we tried to, we pulled out. It 727 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:58,600 was like, just like the most miserable experience, just 728 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,620 trying to get 711 and so we turned around and turned it back 729 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,020 in, and there was all hell broke loose. In many ways, we ended up 730 00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:05,520 getting a Nissan Sankara. 731 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,580 What was the Mitsubishi made? Like? I mean, yes, that's 732 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,960 every girl in high school had that car. Man. It 733 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,740 was a single goes, a derivative of something else. It was like 734 00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:23,420 Mitsubishi and they, I believe Isuzu was part of that moments, 735 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,060 but they had, like, SUVs and all sorts of stuff, 736 00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:28,880 so I guess they're still around. But this wasn't one of their, 737 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,480 you know, better 738 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,860 problems like Ship Model. 739 00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:36,080 Yeah, it was the Mitsubishi skateboard. Anyways, you but you 740 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,580 would have been better with an E bike. 741 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:39,860 Kiss Mitsubishi goodbye for a sponsorship. 742 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,560 Well, so, so now, how do you, how do you go from, you know, 743 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,340 just living out in the country and you guys have a fondness for 744 00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:50,440 horses, to having a farm? 745 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,300 Well, so my, my mother in law, ran a horseback riding business 746 00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:57,880 off of our farm that we now bought, you know, we bought the 747 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,300 farm from them, and so Heather kind of left her job at, you 748 00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:06,180 know, saddle up, and decided she wanted to do her own thing as 749 00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:09,720 well. And so we, at a given time on our farm, There's between 35 750 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:15,180 and 40 horses there, and we're running on, oh, we, we take care 751 00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:18,720 of probably four to 500 acres, and then run on another four to 752 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:24,800 500 so it's a pretty big, expansive thing. But, you know, 753 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,680 I love that she does it because people come out there that are, 754 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,080 like, really having a hard time with stuff. You know, people 755 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,260 tend to go to horses when they're struggling or, you know, 756 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:35,780 something's going on. And we have a lot of artists and 757 00:38:35,780 --> 00:38:39,380 politicians and all the things that come out, and my wife just 758 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,220 takes them riding. They ride down to the duck River, and they 759 00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:44,200 hang out down there, and to clear their mind, yeah, it's 760 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,720 just like, yeah. It's like, a peaceful way to just kind of 761 00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:49,780 Yeah, just get out of whatever it is that they're in, you know. 762 00:38:49,780 --> 00:38:52,960 I mean, I'm definitely afraid of horses. Well, you know, 763 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,420 honestly, a lot of people that come out there are, they're 764 00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:58,060 like, I don't know, this could be scary. And then after they 765 00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:00,480 work with my wife, with the animals for a little bit. 766 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,760 They're like, Oh, I think I, you know, I think I'd try riding. 767 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,580 And so we get to do a lot of that stuff. And what I realized 768 00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:08,700 very quickly be, you know, being on the business side of it, you 769 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:12,180 know, I don't train the horses. Heather does all that. But I 770 00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:16,080 realized that the most expensive thing we do is make hay and or 771 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,660 buy hay. And so you've always got to be worried. Is someone 772 00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:21,080 going to have it? Can we get it trucked in? What if there's a 773 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,080 drought and we're fourth on their list and we don't get it? 774 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,980 And so we kind of have, like, an uncontrollable variable. And so 775 00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:30,500 after the house fire, I had always been dreaming of, like, I 776 00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,560 wonder what it'd be like to learn how to do this. And so one 777 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,740 of the neighborhood farmers that's been doing this his whole 778 00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:40,880 life was like, hey, if Adam buys a, you know, tractor, he can run 779 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,480 with me. Like, I'll teach him how to do it. I'll show him all 780 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,880 the different tricks, and, you know, how to work on the 781 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,460 equipment and all that. And so I've been doing it for the last 782 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,260 two years now, and I love it. It's just very, you know, it's 783 00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:55,720 like my Zen space. You're just kind of on a tractor. You're 784 00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,080 going four or five miles an hour, just kind of rolling 785 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,560 through the and there's no. One there. There's nothing to do. I 786 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,520 just listen to books and listen to music and make hay. And you 787 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:05,880 look, yeah, 788 00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:08,820 you listen to the rich Redmond show. Just talked about this 789 00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:09,540 with Johnny Rabb. 790 00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:12,360 Remember, oh yeah, our Johnny. We had Johnny Rabb on for like, 791 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,360 a two hour episode. It was nothing but comedy, and he was 792 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,240 talking about how he has a lunar turn. 793 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,560 It turns on a moon. It says, instead 794 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,240 of a zero turn, it's like, so, 795 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,400 which is probably the one that I would buy. But I just call my 796 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,040 friend Caesar, and he cuts the grass. We were 797 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,100 talking about things you would do if, you know, maybe you 798 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:36,020 didn't have to play the drums, maybe, maybe, 799 00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:39,320 if you'd like, just didn't want to play the drums, or you 800 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,820 couldn't play the drums or, and that's tough thing. I should I'd 801 00:40:42,820 --> 00:40:45,280 probably be in show biz, you know, I'd probably be somewhere, 802 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,340 like, with a and action, you know, I'm gonna do something and 803 00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:52,060 like, and five four, like, be backstage with a headset mic or 804 00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:52,840 something. I don't know. 805 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,480 You do realize that? I think that AI is gonna replace a lot 806 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480 of that, you know, but I'm not sure how that's gonna affect 807 00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,080 podcast, 808 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,200 but, but, you know what? You know what? Well, Jim is a big, 809 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,080 you know, obviously, he's a big proponent of podcasts, and he's, 810 00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:08,100 he's taken a bite out of that new media thing. But I have 811 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:11,040 visited a lot of newsrooms in the morning where you go to 812 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,860 like, you know, the percussive Art Society will hire me to go, 813 00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:17,400 like, talk about the percussive Art Society. And you go into the 814 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,860 newsroom and you expect to see all these people there. And 815 00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:23,240 these are computer, robot controlled cameras. Like, no, 816 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:27,320 there's no cameraman anymore. Wow. Or women, yeah, it's crazy. 817 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,160 That is, I don't like it weird. It was very Orwellian. 818 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,080 Social media will become even AI influencers are coming down the 819 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,360 pike. Yeah, you mean they're going away, they're going to you 820 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,140 can literally use AI to generate a personality and build a whole 821 00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:49,000 social media ecosystem around them at this point. And you 822 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,180 know, if you have something, you're onto something. You know, 823 00:41:52,180 --> 00:41:54,520 you can make it something whatever entertains people. 824 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:54,940 Yeah, did you 825 00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:58,780 hear about this thing? Whereas Spotify is actually creating AI 826 00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:04,800 bands to to to sway the algorithm away from real 827 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,100 personalities and real artists, so they have to pay them 828 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,220 even less. Oh, yeah. So that's what, everyone needs less money, 829 00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:11,520 right? 830 00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:14,340 Yeah. Because right now we're making such a fraction. What 831 00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:15,540 about fraction of a penny 832 00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:19,260 a songwriting business? You know, the AI is a co writer at 833 00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:21,740 this point with that. I mean, well, how is that going to look 834 00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:22,460 for the industry 835 00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:24,680 here? Well, I think a lot of people claim that they're not 836 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,620 using AI, but, I mean, what a way cool way to potentially kick 837 00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:29,720 start a song. Yeah. And, you know, when I was writing songs 838 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,180 professionally for five years, my thing was I would always come 839 00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:34,940 in like, I'm a title guy, so I would come in with a title, and 840 00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:37,340 everyone be like, Oh, Revan, that's slick. And then we're off 841 00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:40,780 to the races, you know. But you don't even have to do that 842 00:42:40,780 --> 00:42:44,260 anymore. That's interesting. It's really crazy. So okay, so 843 00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:46,900 you're making, you're making your own hay, and you're 844 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:49,540 learning how to do all this stuff. That sounds like a really 845 00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:53,740 hard, long day, but now I guess you can, you know, you're at a 846 00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:56,080 point where your business is kind of like rolling as you 847 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,500 could just like, delegate, yep. I mean, you're not coding. 848 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,420 No, I don't code anymore, only when our coders are out for some 849 00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:06,660 reason, right? I'll jump in and look at stuff. But, yeah, it's, 850 00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:08,880 it's a lot like that the business has kind of gotten to 851 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,860 the spot where I'm more, like, visionary and, you know, 852 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,340 studying what's happening, you know, like, especially in the AI 853 00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:20,240 space right now, you know, I just, my job is really to kind 854 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,000 of keep the the mission and the vision of the business moving 855 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000 forward, and make sure that the staff is good, you know. And 856 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,880 then when you've got good team members, they just, you know, 857 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,820 they run it, you know, I, I have to be kind of told what they 858 00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:34,460 need me to do at this point, you know, a lot of time, like, do 859 00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:36,980 you guys need me to do anything for you? And that sometimes they 860 00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:37,460 have stuff. 861 00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:38,540 But dude, that is, you're 862 00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:41,440 the boss, man, you're the undercover boss. Do you have 863 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,580 weekly meetings and stuff? 864 00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:45,280 Yeah, oh yeah, yes, yeah. 865 00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:46,780 What do you guys talk about? 866 00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:53,020 Chris Farley, question, you remember when you were in the 867 00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:53,380 Beatles? 868 00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:58,000 Remember that when we said that the love you make is equal to 869 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,440 the love you take? Is that true? 870 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,220 Meeting? Meetings. Also, the beautiful thing about it is, 871 00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:07,380 this is the American dream in the sense that you know your 872 00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:10,020 business is practically running itself. You you know you have 873 00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:14,880 these henchmen, and you're like, go, go to work and decide make 874 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,820 me money for my castle. And then at some point you can evaluate 875 00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:20,480 the business and sell the business. And then you're in 876 00:44:20,540 --> 00:44:22,880 deer in Florida or California with palm trees. 877 00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:27,260 Well, you know, it's funny, I've been offered multiple places 878 00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:29,060 have come been like, we, you know, we want to buy this 879 00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:31,400 business. And at first I thought, These can't be 880 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,100 legitimate, but I started feeling those calls just to kind 881 00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:38,000 of see and they they were legit. Like, you know, agencies tend to 882 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,560 get acquired pretty rapidly. But once I figured out that people 883 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,840 were doing that, I decided to go the other way, and I started 884 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,320 acquiring other peoples. Because what I learned was, you know, 885 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,360 when an agency gets up to that five, $600,000 a year mark, it 886 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,420 starts to stretch the owner out into places where they're not 887 00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:58,000 comfortable. And usually, a lot of times, that's when things 888 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,600 start to go downhill. Interestingly. Clients get 889 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,800 frustrated, and growth stops. And so I kind of build 890 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,860 relationships and look for agencies that are in those 891 00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:10,800 boats. And a lot of times they're coming to me, going, I 892 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,620 got to get this. I have 50 clients. I don't know what to do 893 00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:17,220 with them anymore. I got to get out of here. Like, how do I give 894 00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:19,860 them to you? So I don't you know, because if you just cut 895 00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:23,840 them loose, you could be in lawsuit Haven Right? Like, you 896 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,780 know, knocking people's websites offline and stuff like. That's 897 00:45:26,780 --> 00:45:28,340 very bad way to go. 898 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:32,960 So basically, orphan customers exactly, you're buying up their 899 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,940 customer list. Yep. I mean, do you feel like if they're coming 900 00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:40,420 to you? Obviously you have the leverage, yep, because they 901 00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:43,000 probably haven't done their research in terms of a multiple 902 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:43,540 on EBITDA. 903 00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:48,520 Well, you know, most agencies, strangely, as they get bigger, 904 00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:53,500 you know, they get exponentially worth more money, right? Those 905 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:57,340 smaller agencies don't really typically have anything in place 906 00:45:57,340 --> 00:46:00,480 except for the customer list, right? They don't have a staff 907 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,120 or a specialty, or, like, even the way that they do things 908 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,060 we're not going to follow. We're going to do it our way. And so 909 00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:08,760 yeah, we come up with, like, what's a fair number for those 910 00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:12,480 those customers, sometimes we'll kind of, like, put the agency 911 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,120 owner on our staff for three or four years, and they kind of 912 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,820 live in the margins of what their clients produce. And so 913 00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:20,340 we've done it a couple of ways, but I kind of went the opposite. 914 00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:22,760 I'm like, I don't really want to sell, but I do want to start 915 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,280 buying, and that turned out to be a good growth 916 00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:27,800 avenue for us. That's so smart man, the 917 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,340 mentality of a drummer helps you be a business owner. Because I 918 00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:32,000 found it to be the 919 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,060 case multitasking. I think, well, actually for me, I think 920 00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:40,540 it's the opposite. I think it i The my ability with drumming 921 00:46:40,540 --> 00:46:44,080 kind of came from repetitive practice, you know, it didn't 922 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,420 happen. Like, people like, oh, did you just sit down and play? 923 00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:49,240 I'm like, No, I was terrible. Like, I couldn't hold the sticks 924 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,760 right. My left foot didn't work. My right foot, you know, it was 925 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,420 a, it was a really big learning process. Repetition results for 926 00:46:55,420 --> 00:46:59,500 100% so I think from drumming I learned it's like, persistence, 927 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:03,600 you know, I persistently stuck with it, and I kind of got over 928 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,720 the, you know, the homes, yeah, 100% it's ironically. Do you 929 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:13,080 know Matt billings lead? Of course, Matt and I went to high 930 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:13,800 school together. 931 00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:17,220 I did not know that. So, ladies and gentlemen, Taylor Swift's 932 00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:20,360 drummer, you know, he could probably get pretty good seating 933 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,480 at restaurants, I'm sure. But Matt, here's the deal. Matt's 934 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,660 not the kind of guy who's actually going to ever drop, 935 00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:30,200 wouldn't know ever Taylor, just upstart girl, 936 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,840 yeah. But so Matt was he, I think he was, like, maybe two or 937 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,360 three years ahead of me in high school. So when I, when I got 938 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,080 into high school as a freshman, you know, we're doing, like, the 939 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,740 Jazz Ensemble thing, and I didn't know how to use the left 940 00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:47,500 foot yet, right? Like, I still, I'm doing the, you know, 941 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,620 everything but the left foot, you know. And that's like, you 942 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:54,280 know, he's the older kid, and, you know, great player. And I'm, 943 00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:57,220 I'm just following him around high school. Like, how do I be, 944 00:47:57,220 --> 00:47:59,560 like, this guy? And I just remember him sitting down being 945 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,740 like, You got to get the left foot to work. You know, you're, 946 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:04,500 you don't use your left foot. I'm like, well, so I'd sit there 947 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,720 and watch how he, you know, and that's how I learned about 948 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,600 Primus and learn, you know, he basically introduced me to all 949 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,000 that. But I remember him telling me, like, I just practice all 950 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,100 the time. Like, if you want to be good at this, you know, 951 00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,080 you're a freshman in high school, you want to be good, you 952 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,660 got to practice. So that that started, you know, from ninth 953 00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:21,920 grade on, I was, you know, I do two, three hours a day all the 954 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,560 way through college, just working on stuff, 955 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,380 wonderful, and it worked out great. But I have all these 956 00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:29,660 years being friends with both you guys. I did not know that. 957 00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:31,700 Yep, I don't think I've ever seen you guys in the same room 958 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:32,240 at the same time. 959 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,560 No, we, in fact, since high school, I've only seen that 960 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,480 once. We had a lunch at like, Qdoba, I guess, up in Brentwood, 961 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,920 like, when he was transitioning from, oh geez, ladies, yes, when 962 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,700 he in 2008 Yep, when he left them, that's we had lunch. And, 963 00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:52,180 like, I had just started with Lauren, yep. And, you know, we 964 00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:55,360 were just kind of talking about the industry, and it was really 965 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,880 neat to catch up to him. And then when he got the Taylor gig, 966 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,080 I was like, this is the coolest thing. Like, I love just 967 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,140 watching that happen. You know, it was so cool. 968 00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:08,640 Sweet justice. Because I remember, see, because lady, a 969 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:14,640 and and us, we were on tour together in 2008 for the CMT 970 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,220 tour, gotcha, and I got to watch him every night. I was like, 971 00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:19,620 this kid's sharp. And he's like, really, you know, he's straight 972 00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:22,080 shooter. He's gonna do a great job. Then he was let go for just 973 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,380 a very strange reason. Strange reason that I didn't I was like, 974 00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:27,860 that sucks, yeah. And then boom, months later, yep, boom, yeah. I 975 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,940 was like, there you go. 976 00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:31,760 We were at that lunch, and he was kind of telling me, you 977 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,820 know, just, you know, it hurts you get let go for really no 978 00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:37,460 reason, you know, we just want to try some other things, or 979 00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:41,380 whatever kind of deal. And it was funny, because he's like, 980 00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:43,840 but I'm so glad that you're just starting, and you're on the ride 981 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,360 and enjoy it and all the things. And I just remember being like, 982 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,640 you're going to be good, man, like somebody else is going to 983 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,860 pick you up. It's going to literally, like, not maybe two 984 00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:53,800 months later, I saw online, you know that he's with Taylor 985 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,880 Swift. And, I mean, I teared up, man, I was so happy. That's a 986 00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,920 real friend with her. 987 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,860 Long time? Yeah, I would say, I mean, let's, let's 16 years. 988 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,680 Wow. Yeah. And she takes care of her people. 989 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,800 From what I hear, Well, yeah, here's $100,000 tip. Don't spend 990 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,780 it all in one place. Or do go for it. 991 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:14,460 Do we ever have him on 992 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,680 No, the reason why I haven't is because it's, you know, I have 993 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,680 to. He's very careful about the PR. 994 00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:27,080 He does, yeah, yeah, there's, I did reach out to Tim Alexander, 995 00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:29,420 and he did get back to me, promise, yeah, 996 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,000 another hero, man. Yeah. He's good, though, sailing 997 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,780 the sea of chi. I love what he's doing now. He's doing like, 998 00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:38,720 inspirational type, like almost like thought leadership type, 999 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:42,280 stuff, really, yeah, it's really and I noticed it, and I said, 1000 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,800 Hey dude, kudos to you. I really love what you're doing. Love to 1001 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,680 have you on, yeah, might have to be a virtual but I said, if 1002 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,480 there's any time you get to Nashville, let us 1003 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,960 know. Yeah, he's I remember commenting on one of he posted 1004 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,900 something not long ago, and it was very inspirational. And I 1005 00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:59,380 said, Man, you're still inspiring me. It's had probably 1006 00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:03,120 25 years since I first heard of Primus, and I'm like, you're 1007 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,700 still inspiring me. You're not even with the band anymore. And 1008 00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,340 I'm still like, wow, that was, that was a really cool thing 1009 00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:11,040 that he said, you know, and it's applicable to anything you do, 1010 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:11,820 really, you know, 1011 00:51:11,879 --> 00:51:15,179 it's like the next thing for artists. I want to say, well, 1012 00:51:15,179 --> 00:51:15,359 it's 1013 00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:18,659 getting crowded to space. Yeah, you know, you got me and Kenny 1014 00:51:18,659 --> 00:51:22,099 and Shulman and Sandy, and now you got Tim, and it ain't gonna 1015 00:51:22,099 --> 00:51:24,379 stop. It ain't gonna like, you know, it's just not gonna 1016 00:51:24,379 --> 00:51:26,539 stop. But you can be inspirational, pal. You just 1017 00:51:26,539 --> 00:51:29,599 gotta, you just gotta do it, man, thanks. Awaken the beast 1018 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,820 within. Well, you know, the funny thing is, is that, you 1019 00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:34,040 know, Adam and you and I haven't talked about this over the 1020 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,300 years, I'm so blown away by you that you're doing such different 1021 00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,200 things. You know, I do a lot of things, but they're so amuse 1022 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:46,300 adjacent, but, but, you know, every anytime I would like post 1023 00:51:46,780 --> 00:51:50,860 my motivational speaking things on my socials, there's about 1024 00:51:50,860 --> 00:51:53,380 half of my audience that's like, ah, we want to see you play 1025 00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:55,720 drunk. Well, I want to see you play Amarillo Scott. And why 1026 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:56,080 does it 1027 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,600 work for Tim and not for you? Though, I don't know. It's a 1028 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,980 good question. Did you hear that in person or just in 1029 00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:04,620 the comments? What just, you just, they don't, just the 1030 00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:09,180 clips. Don't perform well. Yeah, they just don't, because people 1031 00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:10,140 see you. 1032 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,740 You've got great ideas, you've got good you're very you inspire 1033 00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:16,320 a lot of people without, I guess, saying anything. No, 1034 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,240 okay, by your actions. Oh, absolutely, 1035 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,500 I have to walk, right? Yeah. I mean, I just, I don't know too 1036 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:24,320 many drummers that don't know who you are or follow you, you 1037 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,840 know what? I mean, almost everybody's, Oh, yeah. Rich is 1038 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,900 amazing. Like, I think, as you've done, you've been able 1039 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,500 to, even though, like, the Aldean music, it has changed. 1040 00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:36,560 But I feel like you've reinvented the way that you play 1041 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,860 more than one time. Like, how you, I see it, how you play now, 1042 00:52:39,860 --> 00:52:43,000 versus how you did when we were on tour. It's, it's matured, you 1043 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,760 know? It's, it's, I mean, you were always fantastic. It's just 1044 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,080 different, less crashes. Maybe that's what it was, two crashes 1045 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:50,560 here and two 1046 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,280 crashes there. And that's a nice model, because you got your ride 1047 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,440 here, right? You might have a little effect splash right 1048 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,680 there, maybe a China here, and you get four crashes. But now 1049 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,700 I'm just at the I just two, just right here. When are you gonna 1050 00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:08,520 get the stack? Oh, I gotta ask my friend Chris at Sabian for a 1051 00:53:08,820 --> 00:53:12,540 clap stacks, right calling him the clap stack. That you can't 1052 00:53:12,540 --> 00:53:15,480 call it a clap stack. What are they calling it? It's like an 1053 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,520 effects stack. 1054 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,500 Okay, they did the thing with Portnoy, the max stacks, 1055 00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:24,020 the max stack. But then, but then our buddy Trevor Lawrence 1056 00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:27,440 came out with the clap stack with, with Istanbul, or whatever 1057 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,140 his company with, and then a lot of companies came in, and 1058 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,040 that's basically they bent the symbols over, like, saddle, yes. 1059 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,640 But everybody came in and pilfered, and so that's Trevor's 1060 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:37,880 thing. 1061 00:53:37,879 --> 00:53:40,239 Is, like, people love the sound of that, because that could be 1062 00:53:40,419 --> 00:53:41,319 the hit down, 1063 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,240 yeah, but you know, what's even better on that China, 1064 00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:49,720 full on China, like a 20, like, what do you I 1065 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:51,580 think I have plenty for 22 1066 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,040 still with a third man, just friggin 1067 00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:01,500 dog thing. Well, you know, I think 30 inch high hats. 1068 00:54:01,799 --> 00:54:05,219 Yeah, that's definitely you're in CCM world there, if you're 1069 00:54:05,219 --> 00:54:05,939 going with a 30 1070 00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:08,580 inch, oh, this is another thing, like, we're just like, trying to 1071 00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:10,740 connect all the tissue, because now, at this point, you're such 1072 00:54:10,740 --> 00:54:14,100 a complicated human organism. But you were talking about your 1073 00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,680 influences in drumming, and then the fact you were playing with 1074 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,020 Lorena land, and that's how we met, doing this awesome arena 1075 00:54:19,020 --> 00:54:21,020 tour. And she would go out, and she would sing the Kelly 1076 00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:23,840 Clarkson song with Jason every night, and which was an awesome 1077 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,400 thing, but you did a decade in the CCM world. Yep, for those 1078 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,740 who don't know, that's contemporary Christian music, 1079 00:54:30,980 --> 00:54:35,420 which is a lot, which is mostly created and marketed and based 1080 00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:38,720 in Nashville. So you got word records, you got, so some of the 1081 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,620 some of the highlights would would be like your newsboys, 1082 00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:45,460 your sonic floods, your Kevin Max's, your now what your band 1083 00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:47,020 was? 33 miles, 1084 00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:49,780 that's right, yep, I worked with those guys for, oh geez, it was 1085 00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:53,140 probably close to 10 years. Really, are they still at it? 1086 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,620 Actually, I do think they're doing like some sort of reunion 1087 00:54:56,620 --> 00:55:00,360 get together. I've started seeing some things online. About 1088 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,420 that they might be doing that, but they were very rascal flats. 1089 00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:08,220 Ish, right, it was, it was that very like early, 2000s you know, 1090 00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:12,240 harmony, three part harmony, um, everything, you know, really 1091 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,000 tight. And that was kind of around the time that I started 1092 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,460 listening to rascal flats, and, you know, listening to Jim and 1093 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,140 Riley and, you know, just going, oh, like, because I didn't know 1094 00:55:21,140 --> 00:55:24,800 much about that style, you know, I was all tool and Primus and, 1095 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,860 you know, how crazy can I be, yeah, and when I started 1096 00:55:27,860 --> 00:55:30,380 listening to, you know, a little bit of country music, and it 1097 00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:33,560 really played over into that space. And so, yeah, I did that, 1098 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,260 and then I kind of took a little bit of a break from it, and I 1099 00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:38,540 was in between artists. And that's when, you know, the whole 1100 00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:41,320 thing with Lauren happened. And, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1101 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,580 So, what was your experience in that genre? Like, how did you 1102 00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:49,240 did you guys travel on a in a 15 passenger van? Or was it a 1103 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:50,980 Winnebago, or was it a bus? Or was 1104 00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:55,060 it, it was a conversion van? And, you know, we would all, you 1105 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:57,340 know, draw straws for who had to do, you know, the two to six 1106 00:55:57,340 --> 00:56:01,380 shift kind of thing, you know, that was the worst. It's like, 1107 00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:05,460 how many Red Bulls do I need to survive this? But no, like, the 1108 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:08,580 music was fun, the touring was fun. It was hard to make a 1109 00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:12,240 living there, you know, it's just that markets and not the 1110 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,600 same size as, you know, country or, you know, pop or whatever. 1111 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,260 And so it was, it was challenging. So I had lots of 1112 00:56:19,260 --> 00:56:21,180 other jobs, you know, while I was doing that. But, you know, 1113 00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:24,080 it was a great experience. Did you get to record? Do you have 1114 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,960 somebody to work with these guys or No, I never did any recording 1115 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,380 with those guys. You know, all my recording has primarily just 1116 00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:32,780 been, you know, in my home studio. So would they use like 1117 00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:36,200 Scott Williamson or Steve Brewster? Yeah, I can't remember 1118 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,620 who I think Lonnie Wilson might have played on some of it. Yeah, 1119 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,360 I know they worked with like Nathan knuckles and those kind 1120 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,080 of guys, and so I can't remember who played the drums. Always 1121 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,600 great records, though they the record sounded great. 1122 00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:52,420 Is the phone gonna ring for the reunion? Hey, come up and play a 1123 00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:53,500 song or two. I don't 1124 00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:56,800 think so. I think they're probably in the assumption that 1125 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,680 I don't have time. Yeah, which, which probably would be true. 1126 00:57:00,459 --> 00:57:03,839 Wow, man. Plus stuff. There's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of 1127 00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:07,379 stuff. Okay, so back to the farm. You're like, now, do you 1128 00:57:07,379 --> 00:57:10,499 have like, is it like, is it like, old McDonald's, like, with 1129 00:57:10,499 --> 00:57:12,179 a pig and a cow and a chicken 1130 00:57:12,180 --> 00:57:15,540 and no, we are all horses. So all horses? Yeah, I don't, we 1131 00:57:15,540 --> 00:57:18,660 don't have any, I mean, a barn, cat, dogs and horses, horses. 1132 00:57:18,660 --> 00:57:19,080 That's it. 1133 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,760 Now, can now what's like, do you do some stud farming there where 1134 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,340 it's like, let's make a million dollars on this horse kind of a 1135 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:25,580 thing? 1136 00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:29,300 No, but my wife has bred. She decided she was gonna, I'll put 1137 00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:32,360 this in air quotes. Go into the breeding business, right? So, as 1138 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,020 you can imagine, I now have five horses that we produce that she 1139 00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:40,300 will never sell. So basically, she just increased. Well, I 1140 00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:43,540 mean, it's my fault too, because once the you know, you see him 1141 00:57:43,540 --> 00:57:46,120 be born, get emotionally attached, and then they like 1142 00:57:46,180 --> 00:57:50,560 imprint on you, and you've got this humongous, 1500 pound, you 1143 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,440 know, Friesian horse that wants to, you know, have her head in 1144 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,200 your pocket, kind of thing. And it's like, how do I sell this 1145 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,260 thing to someone? I don't know if they'll take care of her, or 1146 00:57:59,260 --> 00:58:01,860 they could turn around and sell her to someone else. And so the 1147 00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:05,880 breeding side of the business did not take off. Only 1148 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,240 horses.com, 1149 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,680 there you go. What? What is? What was the thing that Russ 1150 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,900 Miller came up with? It's only drums.com Did he? Is that a 1151 00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:19,440 thing drums? It's only drums.com or drums only.com it's one of 1152 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,880 those. It's gonna be the next drumeo, kind of, who I can 1153 00:58:23,420 --> 00:58:26,960 maybe like a, maybe it's like a marketplace, you know, we'll 1154 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,300 find out what Russ does. Russ has always got his hands on 1155 00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:32,360 something giant vendors and inventions and educational 1156 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,040 products. And I should have done all of us, drum only podcast. 1157 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,960 We're sassy and we're crafty and we're scrappy, all the all the 1158 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:41,380 ease. 1159 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,200 Just, just visit the Music City drum show, and you see the 1160 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,480 inventions? Yeah. I mean, just tons of 1161 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,480 you have you hit the drum show yet? I have never gone. I really 1162 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,020 want to go. 1163 00:58:50,020 --> 00:58:52,900 It's the biggest in the United States in under five years. Is 1164 00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:57,100 it crazy? Is it up in the it's at the fairgrounds? Okay, yeah, 1165 00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:59,320 so bring your gun. Well, yeah. And it's funny, because, 1166 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,360 I mean, everything's at a conversational level. There 1167 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,360 interesting. You can have very common good conversations at 1168 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,440 this volume. Well, I'm 1169 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:08,940 joking, you can't. It's actually 1170 00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:11,280 going to be even better for because next year, they're gonna 1171 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,520 have a quiet hall where and then they're gonna have the insanely 1172 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,500 loud, the crazy, the white noise 1173 00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:19,200 Hall, the quiet Hall, I believe, will be for the 1174 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:24,380 educational events podcasts and people that are selling books 1175 00:59:24,380 --> 00:59:27,140 and such, you know, seminars, the seven clinics, yeah, 1176 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,580 performances, yeah, do the thing. What's your favorite 1177 00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:31,940 food? 1178 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,160 I mean, it's not a good food, but I'm a big French fry human, 1179 00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:38,060 as long 1180 00:59:38,779 --> 00:59:40,039 as you're working out, okay, 1181 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,820 so, being from Maryland, you've been out to Ocean 1182 00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:48,220 City, yeah, oh yes, Thrashers, yes, yes, those are the french 1183 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,880 fries. Thin. No, it's like, they're like, 1184 00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:55,420 regular cut fries. But you have they're like, something about 1185 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,520 them on the board. Well, I think they 1186 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,020 put old bay in the in the oil. That's my theory. Be obey, yeah. 1187 01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:03,720 Like, Old Bay is like, like, a seafood season food seasoning 1188 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,640 from Maryland. But like, everybody, you know, the 1189 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,420 Chesapeake Bay, oh, area, and everybody uses Old Bay and, or 1190 01:00:09,420 --> 01:00:13,140 it could be big ass at woman Bay. Well, good, yeah, good. 1191 01:00:13,140 --> 01:00:15,960 That's a thing. But you That's every that's the secret sauce. 1192 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,000 You said, That's my theory. But they're like, you know, they're 1193 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,480 like, the boardwalk fries, you know, they're that, you know, 1194 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,760 kind of more just like a potato. Oh, they're so good. 1195 01:00:22,820 --> 01:00:25,580 I don't, I don't remember ever having a cocktail with you what? 1196 01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:28,580 But if you had a What was your favorite drink? I don't drink 1197 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,340 actually, I'm one of those weird people that you never did when I 1198 01:00:31,340 --> 01:00:32,120 knew you or anything. 1199 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,140 No, I never, I, you know, even in like, college, I just didn't. 1200 01:00:36,260 --> 01:00:39,740 I did not like the taste of any you're practicing, yeah, and I 1201 01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:42,400 was, yeah, I just didn't like it. And it's funny. Now, like 1202 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,620 being older, though, because I'll show up in places, oh, you 1203 01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:46,660 know, let me get you beer. I'll just have a coke. And they're 1204 01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:49,300 like, are you in a program or something? I'm like, I know, 1205 01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:52,960 isn't it funny? I'm not necessarily, like, nothing wrong 1206 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,360 with that, whatever. Like, great. But it's always weird 1207 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,000 that people just immediately if you don't want a beer, they just 1208 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,500 assume you were an alcoholic. 1209 01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:01,980 They got some incredible non alcoholic beers. Now, I mean, 1210 01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:06,960 not IPAs too. Everyone's, every manufacturer's got a really 1211 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,600 killer. They've really stepped it up. It's not, you know, oh, 1212 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,020 duels are sharp, so that's what I remember as odules. Yeah? Not, 1213 01:01:13,020 --> 01:01:14,400 it not like you do not want to 1214 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,960 drink that unless it's ice cold. Oh, duels, yeah. I mean, they're 1215 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,220 actually, that's the more at the low end of non alcoholic beers 1216 01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:22,460 now, 1217 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,680 well, I will say Adam that you really ought to drink more. 1218 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,980 Thank you. You look like, You look like you'd be an IPA guy. 1219 01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:30,080 I've never tried one, but what would you? What would 1220 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,240 you? So what is your not like? You know, what's your just the 1221 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,740 thing you sip on all day long. 1222 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,520 I mean, in the office, I do drink a good bit of coffee in 1223 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,200 there, and I'm a Coca Cola guy. I can't do diet or any of that, 1224 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,000 but it's got to be straight, straight up 1225 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,500 nice, so you're getting your sugar. But 1226 01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:49,120 do you remember when Coke was like full, fully leaded? Yes, 1227 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:49,540 you know, 1228 01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:52,420 it doesn't chemically. It's not as good. Now it's 1229 01:01:52,420 --> 01:01:55,120 not this is the one. This is better than Diet Coke because 1230 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,240 the after it's a sharper aftertaste. So if you're gonna 1231 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,560 have an aftertaste from the aspartame, which is slowly 1232 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,680 killing you and rotting your brain. You might as well enjoy 1233 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,700 the aftertaste. 1234 01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,400 Who's a show brought to you by the aftertaste of Coke Zero. 1235 01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:09,420 Look at 1236 01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:12,120 that little dude. That's right, Yoda. It's baby Yoda, no, that's 1237 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:13,200 a baby Yoda, right, yeah. 1238 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,760 Now, is that the actual Yoda as a baby? No, I really don't know. 1239 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,740 I don't think so. You look like you're a Star Wars guy. 1240 01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:23,240 Don't tell me he looks nerdy. 1241 01:02:23,779 --> 01:02:28,279 I'm not saying he's you said it. I didn't ouch out loud. I'm not 1242 01:02:28,279 --> 01:02:31,879 saying I don't know you. You know. Okay, I'll just call back 1243 01:02:31,879 --> 01:02:33,559 to my script. Man, not at all. So no, and 1244 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,840 I was gonna ask you who your favorite drummer was, but now I 1245 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,480 know Dennis chambers, Tim Alexander, and how about that? 1246 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,120 Danny Carey. I mean, yeah, still. I mean, like, but he get 1247 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,880 he's in a band where he can shine like that, where these 1248 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,680 tribal, melodic things are celebrated, yeah, but you know 1249 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:56,080 the dancing time signatures, you know, non existent, that happens 1250 01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,300 a lot in instrumental music, but the fact that Maynard has got to 1251 01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:04,560 sing those melodies that go in and weaving in and out. It's 1252 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:04,920 pretty 1253 01:03:04,919 --> 01:03:08,879 impressive. It is. I've always I saw them, I guess when I was 1254 01:03:08,879 --> 01:03:12,179 just in college and at the Baltimore arena, you know, and 1255 01:03:12,479 --> 01:03:16,019 it was like, I'd never really seen anything like that, because 1256 01:03:16,019 --> 01:03:19,439 it was, I mean, Danny was amazing, but almost like chamber 1257 01:03:19,439 --> 01:03:24,319 music, yeah, it really is. It was just they, they, they stay 1258 01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:28,039 together, you know, during these crazy time signatures and 1259 01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:31,159 transitions. And I'm going, how does someone that doesn't play 1260 01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:35,839 the drums follow that, right, right? Yeah, it was amazing. 1261 01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:40,479 Well, Mike Portnoy's challenge song, and drumeo was NUMA by 1262 01:03:40,479 --> 01:03:42,939 tool. I think it took him about an 1263 01:03:42,939 --> 01:03:43,959 hour, yeah, to 1264 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,640 chart it out and get 1265 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,040 it. I can't imagine charting that stuff. Adam, guess what? 1266 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,860 Dude, I went to drumeo, and they gave me two challenge songs. 1267 01:03:50,860 --> 01:03:53,020 What were they come they're coming out. I can't say, oh, 1268 01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:54,760 okay, they're gonna become, they're big, they're gonna be 1269 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,800 coming out. But they were waiting. So I went up there and 1270 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,860 they hired me to create tons of new educational content, because 1271 01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:02,340 they're like, this guy, give him a headset Mike. He's, you know, 1272 01:04:02,340 --> 01:04:05,220 he's got the gift of gab. And so, anyways, we did two very 1273 01:04:05,220 --> 01:04:08,460 long days, so fun. And they're, they want to time it all. So my 1274 01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:11,280 challenge songs are, are released at the same time the 1275 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,040 the new educational stuff comes out. I was like, which makes 1276 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,560 sense, yeah. I'm like, Jared put it out. And they're like, No, 1277 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,320 Jared wants to wait until and all, you know, it makes sense. 1278 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,220 Totally makes sense. 1279 01:04:20,220 --> 01:04:24,800 I really love drumeo. I never, like, maybe about two years ago, 1280 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,560 I finally was like, I guess I'm gonna subscribe to this and just 1281 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,500 kind of see what's in it, right? Because it's a subscription. How 1282 01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:35,300 much I can't it's like, a couple $100 a year. I gotcha. And I 1283 01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:38,960 really enjoy it. And then I also, you know, Stevens deal, 1284 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,160 the Stevens drum shed, that's good stuff too. Oh yeah, really 1285 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,440 good stuff. Columbia, yeah, right there. He's awesome. 1286 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,960 What's up, Steven? He was an early guest on our first year. 1287 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,100 Was he really, yeah, so I, I never really did that online 1288 01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:53,800 entertainment. I always would just write my own charts, and, 1289 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,680 you know, work through future sounds, and, you know, all the 1290 01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,720 different, you know, books, but those what? Where they chart the 1291 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,500 songs out for you. Like, I just sight read all the time now, and 1292 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,800 it's really fun, because it's like, the songs I don't really 1293 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:08,220 know. 1294 01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:10,920 You know, you download the drumless stem, yeah? And then 1295 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,580 there's a chart chart so you can you're killing two birds. You're 1296 01:05:14,580 --> 01:05:17,400 working on your reading and you're working on your time. 1297 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,980 Feel, yeah. Does it vibe? Does it actually highlight along it 1298 01:05:21,980 --> 01:05:22,880 does. Yeah, it 1299 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,300 has. They use this system in it like it follows the 1300 01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:29,480 transcription. And you can either do it with drums or 1301 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,820 without, honestly, a lot of times, and that's for all 1302 01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:35,120 instruments now too. Yeah, they've got it drumeo Has it for 1303 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,360 all the instruments. Yeah, TARIO piano and big CEO, because 1304 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,320 they're voice museo or whatever. Now, yeah, 1305 01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:43,780 it's a media company, basically. 1306 01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:47,320 I mean, guys, drumeo, Jared, 1307 01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:53,380 Ryan, he wants us to be sponsored by them. No, no. I 1308 01:05:53,380 --> 01:05:56,980 mean, that'd be great. I mean, really, it'd be incredible. No, 1309 01:05:56,980 --> 01:05:59,860 I just gotta, gotta have the tough conversation. Gotta, gotta 1310 01:05:59,860 --> 01:06:03,120 try to get through the walls of stuff to get to Jared. Now he'll 1311 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,880 take my email. What about your favorite pizza? 1312 01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:08,700 I'm a straight up pepperoni pizza guy. 1313 01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:11,640 Come on. But you got the grease on there? Do you soak it or no? 1314 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,820 Yeah, I gotta wipe it off. Soak it a little bit. Yeah, yeah. In 1315 01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:17,880 recent years, I just thought that sometimes the grease is 1316 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,440 just like, whoa. So we just rain on cheese well, 1317 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,860 and it's Tennessee pizza. I don't know. Man, it's not the 1318 01:06:24,860 --> 01:06:25,220 same. 1319 01:06:25,220 --> 01:06:29,300 Yeah, Nellies comes close, very close to Where's Nellies? No, 1320 01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,900 you don't know Nellies, wrong? Right across from the crossings. 1321 01:06:33,140 --> 01:06:37,700 Okay, by the food loin. Interesting. The food loin, food 1322 01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:41,560 loin. They are the daughter of Joey's house of pizza. 1323 01:06:42,940 --> 01:06:46,240 I gotta, I gotta try all this old Nellies, because salvos gets 1324 01:06:46,420 --> 01:06:47,080 my money. 1325 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,860 Frankie's is good next to Home Depot. Okay, still 1326 01:06:50,859 --> 01:06:53,019 haven't been to Frankie's, but because they have, like, a 1327 01:06:53,019 --> 01:06:54,999 little, nice, little seating area bar in 1328 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,100 there. And there's another one that just came here from 1329 01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:00,340 California, he's, good, gosh, I can't think of his name starts 1330 01:07:00,340 --> 01:07:01,120 with an A until 1331 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,500 Antonucci, that sounds legit. Antonucci is the one where you 1332 01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:07,440 go and you could get stuff to go because there's no seasoning. 1333 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,560 Yeah. Used to be that. That place used to be belong to the 1334 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,900 bread lady. Sarah Gonzalez, 1335 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,160 yeah. So, Jim's got 20 1336 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,380 years in Spring Hill. I was gonna say you've been in Spring 1337 01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:16,800 Hill a bit. 1338 01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:19,619 Yeah, 20 years. Oh, five, yeah. 1339 01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:24,560 So you're the mule town is based in or named after Columbia, but 1340 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:25,700 you're even further out. 1341 01:07:26,359 --> 01:07:29,959 Yeah, my farm is in Williamsport Area, so out, you know, it is 1342 01:07:29,959 --> 01:07:32,479 off, like, kind of towards the Natchez Trace. You guys have, 1343 01:07:32,479 --> 01:07:35,539 like, grocery stores and such. Yeah, you know, because we were 1344 01:07:35,539 --> 01:07:38,359 like, 20 minutes from Columbia, gotcha. So, you know, that's 1345 01:07:38,359 --> 01:07:40,399 kind of where we do all our shopping and everything. And 1346 01:07:40,399 --> 01:07:43,659 when I when I named muletown Digital, I had just moved to 1347 01:07:43,659 --> 01:07:47,319 Williamsport, so mule town, to me, was very new. I didn't 1348 01:07:47,319 --> 01:07:48,699 realize that it how 1349 01:07:50,020 --> 01:07:53,200 many different businesses used it, and how like what it really 1350 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,440 was. And it's funny, because people get online, they fuss all 1351 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,840 the time, oh, there's mule town this, and mule town that. And 1352 01:07:59,020 --> 01:08:03,300 ironically, I'd say probably 80% of our customers are not in 1353 01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:06,840 Columbia, and so they don't, our clients don't really, they just 1354 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,840 think it's interesting, right? It's like, mule town. What? What 1355 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,420 is that? You know? And so we get a chance to kind of explain, 1356 01:08:12,420 --> 01:08:15,540 Well, that's like, our town is called mule town, but we don't 1357 01:08:15,540 --> 01:08:19,740 work a lot in mule town, so it works, you know, because I 1358 01:08:19,740 --> 01:08:22,400 debated, do I change it like there's a lot of mule town 1359 01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:26,000 everything? But yeah, our audience isn't really there. 1360 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,160 You're the only mule town digital. That's true. There is 1361 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,860 not another digital. Now, while I got you this is something that 1362 01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:37,220 we have talked about, SEO. SEO is very important, search engine 1363 01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:41,260 optimization, but it's also very pricey, very costly. And you 1364 01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:45,400 were telling me that someone say, like, like, a Tony Robbins, 1365 01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:49,660 what he probably pays per year to be listed as the number one 1366 01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:53,680 motivational speaker on the planet, year after year. I don't 1367 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,860 have that kind of bread, yeah, but, but he's made the bread, 1368 01:08:56,860 --> 01:08:59,500 and he wants to keep making the bread, so he pours it back in 1369 01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:03,420 there. So, you know, so, like other people that you know, that 1370 01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:07,740 can see results on, say, $25,000 or does it have to be way more 1371 01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:07,920 than 1372 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,520 that? Yeah, absolutely. The weird thing about search engines 1373 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,180 now is, you know, with all the AI stuff entering in, and people 1374 01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:19,920 are producing content at massive scale, right? And the way that 1375 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,420 it used to work was like, Oh, if you made content and then people 1376 01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:25,760 like, you know, they would link to it, and Google would go, 1377 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,400 Well, this website's now got all this authority look at all their 1378 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:33,440 links, and now that content has become so easy to manufacture, 1379 01:09:33,620 --> 01:09:36,080 they're having to change everything. Right? All their 1380 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:41,260 algorithms are changing. And so when, if you're trying to rank 1381 01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:44,980 at a national level. It's extremely hard now, because you 1382 01:09:44,980 --> 01:09:50,320 just have to spend so much money to build out in a way where you 1383 01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,660 can actually show up, right? Because the guys that are there 1384 01:09:52,660 --> 01:09:54,940 have been there, and they're there for a reason, and so 1385 01:09:54,940 --> 01:09:58,840 unless it's a new search term that no one's chasing, they can 1386 01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,460 be really competitive. But. Local businesses like we work 1387 01:10:02,460 --> 01:10:05,820 with a lot of contractors and electricians and the you know, 1388 01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:10,620 those kinds of businesses, SEO is not as hard for them, because 1389 01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:13,680 it's got a location attached to it. So you don't have to be the 1390 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,860 best plumber, you just have to be the best one in Summertown, 1391 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,900 right? Or the best one in Spring Hill. Now, the big corporates 1392 01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:23,120 are still kind of squeezing their way in there because they 1393 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,960 just have more money to spend. But it works really well for 1394 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,320 those kinds of businesses, like E commerce businesses. Now you 1395 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,900 pretty much have to pay your way. You know, you can't do it 1396 01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:36,500 with SEO for the most part. You got a bid on Google ads or meta 1397 01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,780 ads and that kind of stuff in order to get out there. 1398 01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:41,260 So now someone like me as a speaker that needs to do 1399 01:10:41,260 --> 01:10:44,860 business all over the world that is primarily booked through 1400 01:10:45,340 --> 01:10:48,400 bureaus and event planners and stuff. It's more difficult. It 1401 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,340 is much harder. Now, can I double down and say, try to be 1402 01:10:51,340 --> 01:10:56,020 one of the top speakers in Nashville Metro, because so many 1403 01:10:56,020 --> 01:10:58,720 people are coming here for their corporate gatherings and stuff? 1404 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,020 Yeah, much easier. Maybe that's the hang, maybe that's the 1405 01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:04,500 angle. Yeah, as soon as you put a location or, like, in our 1406 01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:07,500 world, you know, you can be like, a digital marketing agency 1407 01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:10,800 is very broad, but if you're like, we do SEO for 1408 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,640 electricians, that search gets narrower, right? So there's less 1409 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,640 search volume. Like, you're not going to have the same amount of 1410 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,300 people looking for it month over month, as you would say, a 1411 01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:23,720 bigger, broader term, but they're transactional terms. If 1412 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,120 you're looking for a plumber, you probably have a problem, 1413 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,060 right? So it's, you're, they're not going to go look a bunch of 1414 01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:32,600 websites and not hire someone, someone's getting that money, 1415 01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:35,600 you know, someone's got a leaky HVAC system or something, right? 1416 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:40,160 Yeah. So it's, yeah, being like local or having a specificity 1417 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,000 takes your competition down. So it makes it easier to do. 1418 01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:45,940 Yes, wow. Hey, Jim, ask your 1419 01:11:45,940 --> 01:11:51,040 question. My question is different. What age do you wish 1420 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,240 you could permanently be? 1421 01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:53,800 Oh, man, 1422 01:11:55,060 --> 01:12:01,560 I liked jeez, like that. For me, 33 years old was the easiest. 1423 01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:05,460 Isn't that crazy? Why do we pick 33 I don't know. It was just I 1424 01:12:05,460 --> 01:12:08,100 got a kid. I'm 33 baby dump down 1425 01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:10,500 middle the road. 1426 01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:14,100 Sorry, I don't know what? Yeah, I don't know why. It just felt 1427 01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:18,300 like that time was, you know, I didn't have little ones yet. At 1428 01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:21,920 that age, I was getting ready to but didn't have little ones. You 1429 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,800 know, it was easier to recover from the gym. You know, it was 1430 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,140 easier to you know? Now it's like, I get out of there and I'm 1431 01:12:27,140 --> 01:12:29,960 like, I feel pretty good in the next day. I'm like, so, so 1432 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,080 world, like, yeah, you know, even doing it every day, it's 1433 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,920 just I don't recover as fast. I can't run as fast. Now, you 1434 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:37,580 know, as I did, 1435 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,300 what's your routine in the gym? What are you doing? Like, high 1436 01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:43,180 intensity training, just a little time on the treadmill, 1437 01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:43,360 yeah? 1438 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,320 Mostly weights machines where you like, freeze, I do mostly 1439 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,900 just weights and then kind of like, walk at the end, you know? 1440 01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:53,440 So walk. I want to find I want to do Krav, Maga, 1441 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,020 yeah, that would be, well, that's good, nice thing to have 1442 01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:58,360 in your back pocket. Kick some ass. 1443 01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,280 Well, it's practical fighting, yeah? You know, someone tries to 1444 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,220 get up in your grill, and next thing you know, they're on the 1445 01:13:05,220 --> 01:13:06,780 ground and you're backing away. I told you, 1446 01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,420 yeah, told you, that's nice. It's nice to have some of that 1447 01:13:09,420 --> 01:13:11,880 that in your back pocket. Like my friend Sarah car deal. She 1448 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,760 one of my students. She's like, a quadruple Black Belt. Well, 1449 01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:17,100 the funny thing is, I'll make a man. How does she do that and 1450 01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:19,440 still play the drums? Because, I mean, you get to break wood with 1451 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:21,620 your hands, right? I know she's got to do all that kind of 1452 01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:24,500 stuff. And the funny thing for her last exam that she took, 1453 01:13:24,620 --> 01:13:28,280 there was actually groups of people simulating a street 1454 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,400 fight, almost like a, you know, Jackie Chan movie, and they come 1455 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,100 running at her, and she's got to take them down. It's like a 1456 01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:34,940 Hollywood film. 1457 01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:37,880 It's crazy. It's like The Matrix, yeah, that's wild. 1458 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,500 Matrix two, I like to tell 1459 01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:42,700 Tully that Keanu Reeves is the most recognizable bass player on 1460 01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:43,180 the planet. 1461 01:13:44,860 --> 01:13:47,260 Well, the funny thing is, I think Tully is only followed by 1462 01:13:47,260 --> 01:13:50,680 Jason Momoa. He's probably very scrappy, totally. I guess he's 1463 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,840 probably gotten into some scuffles here and there 1464 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,060 throughout his life, but you can't really do that when you're 1465 01:13:55,060 --> 01:13:57,580 a professional musician. You got to avoid that stuff, because 1466 01:13:57,580 --> 01:13:58,060 your hands 1467 01:13:58,059 --> 01:14:00,299 are oh, we he and I get scrappy with each other, but then we say 1468 01:14:00,539 --> 01:14:01,319 nothing, 1469 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:08,520 nothing above the you know, here, leave the face on. 1470 01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:11,880 I mean, I can't see you fighting 1471 01:14:11,879 --> 01:14:16,139 anybody. No, I'm a lover, yeah. Well, you guys like slapping 1472 01:14:16,139 --> 01:14:17,759 each other. Use open palm. Not anymore. 1473 01:14:19,860 --> 01:14:21,020 Reserved for younger days. 1474 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,340 Many presidencies ago, I thought you asked your other question 1475 01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:26,120 about bands. 1476 01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,900 Oh, yeah, I could ask that. If you had to tribute a band for 1477 01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:31,940 the rest of your life, and that's the only thing you did, 1478 01:14:31,940 --> 01:14:32,780 what band would it be? 1479 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,100 Oh, geez, 1480 01:14:35,780 --> 01:14:37,100 maybe it's Primus. Right? Yeah, 1481 01:14:37,099 --> 01:14:38,419 Primus might be highly 1482 01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:43,240 up there. Did you see the the episode with Getty Lee where he 1483 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,500 does interviews bass players? 1484 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,560 No, really, I've never seen that. Yeah, it's, 1485 01:14:47,559 --> 01:14:50,259 it's, was it like, five episodes or something? It was like, on 1486 01:14:50,259 --> 01:14:52,959 Netflix or something, yeah, it was on Netflix where Getty Lee 1487 01:14:52,959 --> 01:14:55,359 goes out and he interviews les Claypool, interesting. 1488 01:14:56,140 --> 01:14:59,680 And he's a farm guy. He's got, like, yeah, like, he mows down 1489 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,380 trees. And stuff on his property, 1490 01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:02,400 Yep, yeah. 1491 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,740 And who else it's? Robert Trujillo, yeah, as well as a 1492 01:15:07,740 --> 01:15:09,960 couple other people, incredible. 1493 01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,020 So yeah, I could see you being a great dad. 1494 01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:17,340 Man, yeah, man, I've got all boys, so that's definitely 1495 01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:21,140 interesting, heavily outnumbered in the house. But yeah, no, it 1496 01:15:21,140 --> 01:15:24,680 is a lot of fun. It's a lot of, you know, lots of sports and, 1497 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:28,100 you know, that kind of stuff. And they're both really, all 1498 01:15:28,100 --> 01:15:31,220 three boys, work on the farm a lot, you know, one of them 1499 01:15:31,220 --> 01:15:34,400 usually rides in the tractor with me, and, you know, so they 1500 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,040 know how to throw the hay bales, and they know how to take care 1501 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,320 of the horses, and, you know, they've just grown up with it. 1502 01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:43,780 So, you know, they, it's, it's a lot of fun allowance. They have 1503 01:15:43,780 --> 01:15:47,560 an allowance. They work for iPad time. So we've, we've, they 1504 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,260 both, you know, they love playing the iPad, the Minecraft 1505 01:15:50,260 --> 01:15:53,320 and all that stuff. And so they'll wait, you know, my 1506 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,960 littlest one leave, he'll wake up in the morning. Hey, Dad, I'm 1507 01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,960 gonna go take care of the cat in the barn, but I want some iPad 1508 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:03,180 time. It's like a 5:30am negotiation about how much you 1509 01:16:03,180 --> 01:16:06,420 know, time that's worth based on, you know, the job that but 1510 01:16:06,420 --> 01:16:09,060 you know, they, yeah, they're, they're tough, you know, 1511 01:16:09,060 --> 01:16:12,120 that's cool. Now, are any of them musically inclined? You 1512 01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:12,420 think 1513 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,400 my oldest plays guitar? Both other little ones play the 1514 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,020 drums, you know? But I've not really pushed it, you know, 1515 01:16:21,020 --> 01:16:23,660 that's probably great. I just kind of the drums are down 1516 01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:25,520 there, and I'll notice, you know, over the summer, 1517 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,800 particularly when they're home with Heather, you know, I'll 1518 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,040 notice my sticks have moved, you know, across the room, or the 1519 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,260 headphones are on the floor. And I'm like, okay, the boys have 1520 01:16:33,260 --> 01:16:36,020 been in here, like they've been in here playing, but, yeah, you 1521 01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:39,560 know, I think in school, when they start doing music and 1522 01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:43,180 stuff, I bet one of them will probably want to do the drums, 1523 01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:43,420 you know, 1524 01:16:43,420 --> 01:16:47,260 nice. So it's great. Oh, my God, hey, so is it mule town digital? 1525 01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:51,940 It is, yeah, muletowndigital.com is where everybody should check 1526 01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:55,840 out your giant list of products and services and clients. And I 1527 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,300 know I'm on my second website with you guys. Thank you for all 1528 01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:01,260 the great work. And I'm like, can you add this new product 1529 01:17:01,260 --> 01:17:03,660 and, you know, and you're just like, No problem, because Chris 1530 01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:06,120 is my guy. Chris is your guy, man. So, so what is like, 1531 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,000 Chris's exact job title there? Like, so Chris is really, like, 1532 01:17:09,060 --> 01:17:13,680 our head of fulfillment. So he basically manages everybody that 1533 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,560 does everything on the team. That's kind of his role. I love 1534 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,020 that, man. Well, dude, thank you for, you know, making me look 1535 01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:21,320 like a total professional all these years, yeah, man, well, 1536 01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:26,960 you are a professional. And then how would people find you? Can 1537 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,340 they find you on Instagram? 1538 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:33,320 Yeah, I'm on my Instagram is just at Adam drums is my handle, 1539 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,600 so I love it. I've never changed it. It's, did you keep it 1540 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,480 updated? Like you throw some stuff on there? Yeah, mostly 1541 01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:41,500 these days it's my wife tags me in things. So I can just, you 1542 01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:45,100 know, push one button and it goes up there because I'm tear 1543 01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:47,860 I'm terrible with social media. Man, I'm sweet of her. It's 1544 01:17:47,860 --> 01:17:50,140 nice, man, she's like, I'll tag you in things so you have 1545 01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:52,000 something to post. That's basically 1546 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,120 it, Adam, I learned so much more about you today that I just 1547 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,000 didn't know. But I appreciate you, and thank you for what you 1548 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,940 do for the community and everybody. Check out mule town 1549 01:18:00,940 --> 01:18:04,740 digital.com, that's our friend, Adam Silverman, man, thanks for 1550 01:18:04,740 --> 01:18:07,200 coming here, buddy. Thanks for the beach. Yeah, appreciate it. 1551 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,420 Hey to all the listeners, be sure to subscribe, share, rate 1552 01:18:09,420 --> 01:18:12,120 and review. It helps people find the show. Jim, thanks for your 1553 01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,760 time and talent. Thank you, sir, Adam. Really appreciate it. 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