Unrefined Podcast .com

Brandon and Lindsy invite Britton Smith, host of Pastor to Pioneer to share his journey from traditional church leadership into simple church and disciple-making movements—and the deeper transformation he discovered along the way. Britton opens up about the personal cost of leaving the institutional model, the impact on his marriage and identity, and the realization that simply changing church structures and discipleship tools doesn’t necessarily change the heart. The conversation explores performance-based Christianity, relational discipleship, dependence on the Holy Spirit, and the difference between doing the right things and actually becoming more like Jesus. Britton also shares a powerful supernatural encounter from his years in ministry and explains why true pioneering begins with what God is doing within us.to share his journey from traditional church leadership into simple church and disciple-making movements—and the deeper transformation he discovered along the way. Britton opens up about the personal cost of leaving the institutional model, the impact on his marriage and identity, and the realization that simply changing church structures and discipleship tools doesn’t necessarily change the heart. The conversation explores performance-based Christianity, relational discipleship, dependence on the Holy Spirit, and the difference between doing the right things and actually becoming more like Jesus. Britton also shares a powerful supernatural encounter from his years in ministry and explains why true pioneering begins with what God is doing within us.

https://pastortopioneer.com/


Timestamps
 00:02:50 – Britton’s Journey 
 00:05:19 – Discovering the Supernatural
 00:07:40 – An Unexpected Deliverance Encounter
 00:09:43 – Are We Actually Making Disciples?
 00:11:13 – Experimenting With House Church
 00:13:37 – Discovering DMM & a Different Approach
 00:15:55 – Why Changing the Model Wasn’t Enough
 00:18:20 – COVID Exposes Dependency in the Church
 00:20:47 – Church Split & Losing 90% of the Congregation
 00:22:47 – Learning to Be the Church Without the Leaders
 00:24:59 – Beyond Changing Models & Methods
 00:27:26 – Marriage, Ministry & Facing His Own Brokenness
 00:29:30 – When Ministry Relationships Become Transactional
 00:31:54 – Realizing You Can’t Change People
 00:34:16 – DMM Tools Without Heart Transformation
 00:36:40 – Relational vs. Programmed Disciple Making
 00:38:50 – Following Jesus Without Forcing the Outcome
 00:41:11 – Are We Making Disciples or Gospel Spreaders?
 00:43:30 – How Does Real Spiritual Maturity Happen?
 00:45:50 – Obedience as Fruit, Not the Mechanism
 00:48:09 – Identity After Leaving the Church System
 00:50:12 – The Idol of Impact
 00:52:35 – The Story Behind Pastor to Pioneer
 00:55:01 – Helping Others Navigate the Transition
 00:57:29 – The Internal Journey of a Pioneer
 00:59:51 – The Wilderness Between Pastor and Pioneer
 01:02:13 – A Powerful Lesson About God’s Love
 01:04:17 – Britton’s Wildest Supernatural Encounter
 01:06:39 – The Power Is in Jesus’ Name, Not Your Volume
 01:09:01 – An Angel With a Flaming Sword
 01:11:26 – Bringing Heart Transformation Into Discipleship
 01:13:48 – You Can’t Give What You Don’t Have

What is Unrefined Podcast .com?

What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined.

Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN.
In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way.

Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.