Building the Oracle - with Jay Swanson

Every author dreams of hitting the bestseller list and many publishers count on it to succeed. So we talked to an author who already made it to see what was involved.

Show Notes

Natasha Ngan hit the New York Times bestseller list with her breakout YA novel, Girls of Paper and Fire. She joins us to talk about writing marginalized characters, connecting with readers, working with publishers, going on tour, and doing it all with a chronic illness.

Book 2 in the Girls series, Girls of Storm and Shadow is out now.

You can find Natasha on Instagram and Twitter at @girlinthelens, or check out her website,

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Building the Oracle posts on the 1st and 15th of every month. It is hosted by Jay Swanson and Richard Bilkey. You can tweet at us on @jayonaboat and @rich_bilkey, and follow Jay on YouTube.

This episode was produced by Zach Egan.

Our theme music is "Glory" and our ad music is "Light," both by David Cutter.

We record everything on a Rode Procaster and mix in Adobe Audition and/or Audacity depending on how out of our workflow we've fallen.

The show's art is from Jay's book Into the Nanten, illustrated by Nimit Malavia

Gustave the dog sleepily protects us every week as we record.

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What is Building the Oracle - with Jay Swanson?

An author and an editor interview entrepreneurs and world-class artists as they chronicle their journey to create their own publishing house and film studio around the fictional fantasy universe "The Oracle of the Dread Gods" by host, Jay Swanson.