The Crim's Class Podcast

What was Malcolm X like as a father? And what can his final years teach us about navigating today’s world?

In this deeply personal conversation, Dr. Ilyasah Shabazz shares rarely told stories about growing up with Malcolm X and Dr. Betty Shabazz, reflects on her father’s spiritual transformation following his pilgrimage to Mecca, and discusses the timeless lessons in her new book, Malcolm in the Desert. Together, we explore Malcolm’s legacy through the eyes of his daughter, examining how curiosity, understanding, and compassion can help us build bridges during one of the most divided moments in our history.

Plus, stay until the end as my two oldest daughters have the opportunity to ask Dr. Shabazz questions of their own in a conversation our family will never forget.

“Ignorance of each other is what has made unity impossible in the past… We need more light about each other.” — Malcolm X (1964)

Class is in session.

What is The Crim's Class Podcast?

The Crim’s Class Podcast is the classroom you never got in school. Hosted by author and Emmy-nominated educator Ernest Crim III, each episode teaches overlooked Black history and hidden narratives to empower, educate, and inspire action toward more equitable systems.