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Good morning, Grid Connections listeners.

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Today I've got a bit of a different
episode for you.

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I wanted to share a few different updates.

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We also were gonna have a one-on-one
interview today, but due to some

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scheduling things that had to change.

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However, overall, I've got some big
announcements about just the series in

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general and some of the things we'll be
doing this year.

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And recently, I also had the opportunity
to go car shopping with my mom, who's

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looking for a new car to replace her
current Mercedes.

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So...

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I'll get to that in a second, but just
wanted to share the updates.

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And that's going to be the majority of
this episode today.

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Uh, I learned a lot.

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I mean, I've dealt with dealerships and
car sales over the years quite a bit, but

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I think my most recent experience,
especially since she was looking to buy

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something electric is just, uh, was a
really interesting one that I want to

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share with you and then I also just had
some other updates.

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Um, but first I think the big thing is.

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Traditionally, I've been releasing these
episodes every Tuesday and I also want to

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just say my apologies if I sound a little
congested unfortunately, I kind of thought

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is cold for someone but Hopefully it's not
coming through too much and as you might

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notice I'm at a different location than
usual So I'm actually currently staying

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and kind of helping some people with
something for a few days But wanted to get

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this episode out anyway, so This is more a
one-off episode

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Uh, follow, following episodes will be
back to kind of the normal location and

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normal audio and video setups.

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But overall, I'm going to be moving, I
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episodes moving forward to Wednesdays.

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Uh, currently they come out every Tuesday,
but just with usually logistics and

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editing and scheduling.

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Uh, having it be released Wednesday
mornings would actually just, I think, be

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a lot easier for me to manage.

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I'm hoping that this year we're definitely
getting a lot of interest, not just in

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listeners, but people wanting to be on the
show.

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I'd really like to get to a point where we
do maybe every Wednesday is a one-to-one

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episode and then Thursdays would be more
of a panel interview.

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So ideally I'd like to actually be doing
two episodes a week, one of each style.

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So if you know of anyone that's interested
in being on the show, please reach out to

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them and then reach out to us.

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It's just guests at conn

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We're going to be changing that email as
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But for now, I'll still continue to get
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But if you know of anyone or if you just
have recommendations of people you'd like

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to have me reach out to or even topics to
cover, just email me or reach out to

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Twitter.

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And once again, that email is guests at
conn So yeah, we'll be moving to

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Wednesdays.

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And I think with just the momentum we're
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it's probably still a few months out.

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even start releasing two episodes a week,
which I think would be awesome.

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With that update out of the way, I just
wanted to share kind of a quick overview

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of some of the things I'll be talking
about today.

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And then if this isn't for you, totally
understand, but it has been a really

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interesting experience.

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So the majority of today is going to be
talking about my recent experience,

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probably over the course, I guess actually
over the course of three days, helping my

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mom buy a new car to replace her current
car, which is a...

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Maybe 120 to 130,000 mile, 2012 Mercedes
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It's a beautiful car.

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She got it used originally in one owner
and it was pretty much fully loaded, but

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it was kind of wild, because I think she
paid just under 40 and it would have been

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close to probably a six figure, maybe at
the very least 80 to $90,000 car back

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then, even when it was new.

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So it's been a great car and honestly,

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It's just the fact that it's kind of
getting up in miles.

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It's had some minor things needed, like
just headlight replacements, but I think

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even one of those was like 1100 bucks.

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So it's getting to that point at
diminishing returns and which is the miles

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on it, she is looking to return it.

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And she's had it for almost a decade as it
is anyway.

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So she's usually really good about keeping
her cars for a long time.

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So I think it's going to be a thing that
kind of works out for her anyways.

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And she's kind of accept the fact that
she's probably going to be spending more

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money.

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Probably the most money she's ever spent
on a car for this one.

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And so we looked at quite a few different
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Her big thing is she wanted it to be
electric.

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And I'll tell you kind of more about how
we even kind of dabbled with maybe not

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doing that and even looking at a couple
traditional, as you will, combustion

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engine vehicles.

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But we eventually landed back on electric.

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We still actually haven't made the final
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have it down to two vehicles.

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The other kind of interesting thing is in
this process, I was able to swing by a, we

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ended up going to two different Tesla
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And at one of them, they not only had the
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actually had the new Cyberjunk.

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So I want to share some of our thoughts on
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experience and overall really positive.

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And then the final thing is recently I
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Just with some of the stuff I've seen
online and just kind of general curiosity

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about the space, I actually decided to
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self-driving beta through our car.

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I'm doing just the monthly thing.

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I didn't spend the $12,000.

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I used it a year ago.

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I found it really fascinating.

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I still didn't think it was ready for
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It has definitely improved.

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I still think it isn't ready.

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But some of the stuff and things I've been
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to kind of get a good baseline again for
it and hopefully when that gets rolled

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out, if it does get rolled out next month
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I'm really curious to see how that works.

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I've always thought, whether it's Tesla or
a different company, that seems the most

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likely is the version to, or a big
component of what would become a truly

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full self-driving vehicle.

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So I'll talk more about that as well.

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just at a high level, yeah.

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The majority is gonna be about car
shopping experiences and some of the

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brands we dealt with and cars we came
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Some of the things that we saw with doing
that, like the Cybertruck and others, the

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FSD doing, trying testing that again.

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And then finally, I was gonna also share,
unfortunately, it seems like every year

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now.

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My car gets a big rock chip in it.

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I mean I drive about 25 to 30,000 miles a
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even though I give people a lot of space
rock chips happen pretty frequently And

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unfortunately my windshield cracked again
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quick update about that and i'm haven't
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recent drives on fsd and just kind of for
people who might be curious or People who

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don't know just i've

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recorded what it takes to actually submit
a service request for getting the

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windshield replaced and I have to admit
this is such a really interesting way to

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do these things I Think maybe the Tesla's
the Rivians and some of the startups of

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the world can do it But it would be a
struggle for any car that uses traditional

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dealerships not that it couldn't be done I
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fragmented between brands and locations
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experience would be hard and I know it's

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The comparison is made a million times,
but it is very similar to Apple's

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ecosystem and platform versus like, I
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but just the fact that you can go to an
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it all taken by one company.

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So to kick it off, let's get into the
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around the car shopping experience that we
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So originally I kind of spoke with my mom
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She has a very well equipped Mercedes, I
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ventilated seats, it had night vision, it
had all sorts of crazy things.

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And majority of the time, she doesn't
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And admittedly, she tries not to drive at
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So she had kind of a list of a few things
that were really important to her.

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And to be honest, there are now things
that are, I would say, in premium

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vehicles, but there are also just luxury
components that in this process, she

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discovered that she really liked.

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And overall, I think she's appreciated the
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car.

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Now, this isn't the first dealership she
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But now she really does enjoy, when she's
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one specific Mercedes dealership.

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She's just had a consistently positive
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And that was one of the things that she
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staying with the Mercedes brand.

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and put the Mercedes EQE at the top of her
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it is similar size and similar things
overall, obviously their electric

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platform.

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She had gone to the dealership, she'd
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sold on it to begin with, but she just
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didn't really like the idea of having to
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give further context, my stepfather has a
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It's a newer one, but it's not, it's one
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And personally, I've driven a few
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I, to be honest, just don't really like
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I just feel like it makes a lot of noise,
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He is a contractor, so he does beat it up
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He has two trucks that he uses for work.

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One's an F-350, I mean, and he's a roofing
contractor, so he uses those quite a bit.

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But he tries to use the Tesla as much as
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And one of the big things too is it did
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He isn't bothered by the sound.

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supercharging.

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get to use it, he uses it quite a bit, but
the reality of his job means he still has

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to drive his trucks quite a bit.

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Quentin Alley, he has a reservation for a
Cybertruck and he's still excited for it

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even as a contractor.

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But I think what's interesting was my mom
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is definitely much more, I would say not
technology adverse, but just she kind of

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prefers more of a traditional driving
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And so while she thinks a lot of the
things that Tesla's doing is great and she

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likes the charging and a lot of the other
stuff, sometimes the actual car experience

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being so fully digital and focused in the
minimal button, so focused in the main

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infotainment screen really isn't something
that she's really into or excited about.

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So from an early start, her focus was
really on going to more of probably kind

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of a more traditional...

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vehicle or less electric a Electric
vehicle with a more traditional driving

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and car experience.

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So that's Consistently, we're gonna have
the Mercedes at the top list.

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You just didn't like the CCS And that even
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waits here that should change And she
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like well if I can get an adapter and
start using it sooner That's not ideal,

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but that should be fine.

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That shouldn't hold her back the main
issue she had with it was when she bought

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her

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current Mercedes, she had actually been
looking between it and a Range Rover Sport

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at the time I believe.

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And both were very beautiful vehicles,
they were both used, one was brown and the

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Range Rover Sport was this, I want to say
beautiful blue, but it could have been

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their metallic green.

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And exterior and looks wise she was
leaning towards the Range Rover, but

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technically the Mercedes was better
equipped and it still was a really

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beautiful brown metallic which she liked.

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In the end, she's kind of happy she went
with it, but she's always wanted a Range

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Rover so that is something we kind of go
down as we Go through this Experience I'll

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share a little bit more about that later
too looking at Ranger every game but one

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of the things that stood out to her a lot
was just on the road we kept seeing

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Rivians and so when I came up to work and
More or less really spent a couple days to

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test drive these vehicles with her Rivian
was kind of at the top of list we

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both enjoy the exterior.

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I hadn't been in one in quite a while and
I really hadn't been in an R1S.

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So we were both kind of excited, like,
yeah, let's try something different.

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We love the boxy exterior of the R1S.

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And then we got there and the interior was
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The location of the Portland Rivian
dealership I wouldn't say is, it's not

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It's kind of easy-ish to get to because
it's near 405 and I-5 and a few other

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things here in the Portland area But it's
pretty close if people know to like

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Southwest.

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I believe I want to say Southwest first
That doesn't sound right but it's really

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close to PSU and so while it's kind of
easy to drive to the downside was They

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have fences up all around even though the
Rivian I guess you want to call it service

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center dealership itself was really nice
and really beautiful made

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kind of temporary fences all around it
because there were quite a few,

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unfortunately, just helpless people kind
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they had the fences up.

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So that's kind of the downside to it, but
the actual location was really nice.

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And they had quite a few cars there, but
that's what kind of got us interested.

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We thought like, okay, it's a derivative
of the kind of Tesla experience by it

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being all one company it's newer.

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And she had enjoyed kind of working with
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She was a little hesitant just because
they were new or.

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And I think they're going to be successful
as a company, but just with the current

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markets and everything, in a lot of ways,
there's a lot of uncertainty with a car

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company, a newer car company.

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And so we decided, though, to take the
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The person we went with on the test drive,
I forget his name, I think I have it

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somewhere, but overall he was a really
nice guy, really great experience,

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reminded me a lot of kind of the old or
even today kind of current Tesla

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experience.

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It's not really high pressure.

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It's very educational.

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It's not really trying to poo or look down
on other brands.

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They just want you to go electric.

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And obviously they'd love it if you go
with Rivian, but they were even interested

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in, hey, if you go with Mercedes, we get
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Just get an electric one.

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So I thought that was kind of a cool and
really good experience.

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And that was something my mom really had a
positive experience with because we'll get

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to another dealership experience down the
road that wasn't as positive.

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So we start driving the car.

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And what was really interesting to me was
my, we decided to have us both test drive

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it.

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I'm not really in the market, but the
Rivian R1S is just something I've kind of

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looked at in the past and something that's
been interesting to me.

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So I get in the back, my mom's the one
that test drives at first.

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And I've been kind of interested, but it
was funny sitting in the back, I was like,

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wow, the materials are nice, the seats are
really comfortable.

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I actually got, started getting really
amped up about the car.

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I was like, oh crap, now I'm gonna wanna
buy one of these things.

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and we start driving it and I kind of
notice after we've been in it for a few

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minutes, my mom is driving it but she
doesn't seem very excited to be driving

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it.

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So I asked her, what do you think?

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She kind of responds and she's like, you
know, it just feels kind of boaty.

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And from the back seat, I didn't really
get that experience.

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So that kind of surprised me.

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And I got in the, we pulled over and then
I was like, okay, I'll go to drive.

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I wouldn't describe it as boaty.

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surprised me.

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It felt more disconnected than I thought
it was.

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It just wasn't bode and maybe disconnected
isn't the right word.

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Just driving it, especially in normal
mode, really was kind of surprising.

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It's interesting that is what they have it
in.

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It makes sense, especially if someone's
coming from like a traditional combustion

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vehicle.

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I thought it was like really slow and then
they put in a sport and of course then

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you've got the acceleration of like an EV
that I've been spoiled with.

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But the overall driving experience, still
from a steering perspective and a couple

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of other things, I honestly kind of both
of us were surprised.

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After it all, we just kind of felt like
that's not it.

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Even though there were a lot of really
great things about the car, we really

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liked the software and stuff.

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But one of the interesting things is we
started talking to them.

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And my mom would ideally like to get an
electric car and especially one that has

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dogma because she has a few dogs.

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He's like, yeah, the sales person we were
working with mentioned it did have dogma.

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So my mom thought that was a big plus.

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But then we started asking about other
things that we'd kind of been spoiled

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with, with either the Tesla or even in
some of the Mercedes competition.

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We did kind of consistently get this thing
of like, no, we don't have that yet, but

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let's come in a software update, which
probably is.

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But at the same time, I feel like early
Tesla was really good at it.

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And nowadays it's not as good as far as
like the...

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Oh yeah, I'll be a software update.

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I'll be there maybe in a couple of weeks
to a month.

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And it does happen.

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And we've seen this actually still happen
with Rivian, but it is one of those things

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like, okay, we're looking at the car now
and it's something, some of these things

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are things that we really wanna have and
like, and since it doesn't have it today,

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it's kinda what we have to go off of.

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Hopefully and most likely it'll be added
down the road.

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And I'm trying to remember what a couple
of those things were.

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One of them was some map functionality,
but there were just a couple of small

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things like that.

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Having said that,

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totally get away people like the car.

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And I'm really happy for them, but we, I
think, went in with really high

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expectations and both of us kind of just
walked away with kind of meh.

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And we're surprised by that.

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We still love the exterior and we thought
the interior was really nice too.

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But other than the looks, the rest of it
we weren't as really happy with.

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I think we did agree that it was quiet,
but not like super quiet.

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there were some kind of interests.

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Oh, and one of the things I remember was
like, seeing the music functionality, I

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was asked about Apple Music and they said,
that'll be added as a software update down

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the road.

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It was a few things like that.

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It was kind of cool to see the R1V, I
believe, the Rivian van.

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They had a few of those and it was really
cool that they pretty much had all of the

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different exterior colors as cars there.

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Of course they had it in their little kind
of sales area.

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See what they look like but to actually
see the cars in person was really nice and

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then they even had obviously it's not a
common thing but one of the Versions they

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have I think is really cool that they have
something so unique and one of the things

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that my mom liked about the Mercedes was
this really beautiful brown leather

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interior that they offered and With Rivian
they have this pretty wild green leather

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and brown wood It's very earth tones and
stuff.

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It's very unique

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And since she was thinking of going with a
green car, she's like, you know what, I

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would never get this otherwise, but green
exterior with the green interior could be

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kind of cool.

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And so they did actually just happen to
have one car.

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And the guy was able to get it right
before a service person took to drive it

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somewhere.

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And so it's kind of cool to see that
exterior and it is cool, but I think we

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even decided like, yeah, we probably would
just go with black or something.

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Just keep it simple.

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Even though I just thought it was such a
unique and cool thing.

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Maybe personally, I would have gone with a
green interior if I had a green car, but

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it...

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I think my mom also appreciated that they
had it, but it wasn't for her.

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And so I think that was our biggest thing
that we were kind of surprised by.

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Overall great sales experience.

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And one other thing that's worth
mentioning is my mom wanted a test drive a

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lot sooner, but previously you had to put
down $1,000 to even get a chance to test

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drive it.

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And that was something that kind of rubbed
my mom the wrong way, understandably.

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And I think

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Especially so, now that we have test
driven, I would have been really annoyed

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to put a thousand bucks and then kind of
walk away with my overall experience of it

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just not being that.

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what I expected it to be, it just was.

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In some ways it's good to have a boring
car when you drive, but it was boring in

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kind of the wrong way.

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And I know something of that size, it's
not huge, but it's kind of Tahoe-esque.

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It's big enough that I expected it to not
be super sporty, but I expected it to feel

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kind of more from it other than just kind
of the acceleration, excitement you get.

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Other than that, I just didn't really get
much from the experience.

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So we go to lunch, we start talking, and
we realize, well,

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That was pretty cool, but we really
enjoyed the sales process and the people

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we work with, but clearly the Rivian's off
the list.

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And then we start kind of talking about
things and she knows and loves the 1987

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Defender 90 I have and she's like, yeah,
I've always wanted a Land Rover.

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We can't talk about that previous one.

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She looked at it and I was like, yeah,
that was pretty a cool car.

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I mean, personally, I'd get a Defender
versus a new Range Rover for a few

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different reasons.

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And we start talking like, well, let's
just go to the Land Rover dealership.

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And she had been aware that Land Rover was
looking at making a...

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They kind of sent out this like, I think
they even posted originally on YouTube,

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but an announcement that there's an
electric Range Rover coming, but really no

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other details other than maybe we'll see
it later this year, but it's not supposed

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to come out till next year at the
earliest, I think.

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So it was pretty vague, but it was
immediate.

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We decided, you know, let's just...

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and I mean for me personally, I had a...

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I've been to a Land Rover dealership in a
while.

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And so I was just curious to see if they
had any of the classic Defenders like I

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have, and just what they had in general.

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And so we drive over there, and I think
immediately one of the things that stood

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out to us was it definitely felt like a
traditional high-end dealership.

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Not that the Rivian one was bad, it just
had more of the kind of like a Tesla.

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It was like high-end but new.

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And this one, I mean, they had a person
there making cappuccinos and all sorts of

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stuff that you could get.

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which I'm sure works the salespeople
advantage quite a bit, but it was just, it

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was a nice experience.

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And we met a sales guy there who, I kind
of mentioned, originally he just asked us

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if we had any questions and at the time we
didn't, we were really just there just to

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look, we really didn't think it would
become as much of a thing as it did.

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And then I started talking to one of the
sales guys, kind of a super nice guy,

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originally from the UK, I want to say, or
at least lived in London for a while.

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And then he finds out I have an 87
Defender 90 and pretty quickly he kind of

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start talking.

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He's like, okay, so you kind of know your
stuff and all this.

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And as we're walking around or just kind
of talking, it's a large, we were in the

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inside area and there's obviously a pretty
large parking lot, but the interior had a

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lot of cars in there.

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And so my mom's kind of looking around and
she sees the new generation Defender.

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And I like both of them.

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Obviously I'm a little partial to the
classic because I just think it's kind of

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beefier and kind of.

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the new ones that look a little too
toyish.

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But she starts looking at it and she's
like, you know what, I really like the

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110.

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And we asked him, does that have an
electric version?

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Of course it doesn't, or no even
announcement about it.

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But he's like, and so she's like, okay.

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And so she just kind of keeps walking
around.

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I figured we would be leaving shortly, but
I just kind of kept talking to the guy

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until she told me she was ready to leave.

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I'm talking to the sales guy for like
another 15 minutes before.

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I see my mom again and some other person
had let her in because she got locked out

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from walking around.

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I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry I
didn't realize that.

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And she's like, so can we test drive a
car?

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And that really surprised me because I
thought immediately just because I know

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she liked the looks of them and she really
loved the colors.

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And this is what stood out to me but
really ends up standing out in this whole

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process was just how many different colors
that Jaguar and Land Rover have for their

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cars and trucks of all kinds.

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And the colors they had.

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were by far the most options and the most
beautiful, in my opinion.

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They had reds, greens, blues, blacks, and
they didn't just have one of each.

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They had a few different versions of each.

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And there was very few colors I just
didn't like in general, even colors I

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normally don't like, especially some of
the browns they had were just awesome.

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And so we actually go, end up taking a
test, and she had spot this one brown Land

441
00:24:28,250 --> 00:24:31,458
Rover Defender in particular she really
liked, and that's how she ended up getting

442
00:24:31,458 --> 00:24:33,625
locked out because she wanted to walk
closer and check it out.

443
00:24:33,791 --> 00:24:36,375
But then she said, yeah, let's test drive
on the Defender.

444
00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:39,416
And I was like, oh, and I thought at first
you wanna do the two-door one, because

445
00:24:39,416 --> 00:24:42,375
that's what we kind of looked at when we
first walked in there, just because it's

446
00:24:42,375 --> 00:24:44,958
kind of the smaller, kind of cute style I
got out.

447
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,666
But she's like, no, I want a four-door, so
let's do the 110.

448
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,083
And immediately what was clear to both of
us was, we love the exterior design.

449
00:24:54,083 --> 00:24:59,500
We actually really like the interior, but
it was obviously much more luxurious than

450
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:03,958
the classic Defender, but it was also much
more a truck.

451
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:09,791
and kind of, or maybe I should say SUV,
but it had, it just was tough and it had

452
00:25:09,791 --> 00:25:13,375
the grab handles and all these things that
were just like, not, they were.

453
00:25:15,166 --> 00:25:20,041
maybe you could say luxury-ized, but it
wasn't a luxury vehicle.

454
00:25:20,041 --> 00:25:21,750
But it was very nice and pretty well
equipped.

455
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,708
It obviously didn't have all the gizmos
and gadgets, but it had all the gizmos and

456
00:25:24,708 --> 00:25:28,208
gadgets that were kind of important to my
mom, which were really heat steering

457
00:25:28,208 --> 00:25:31,833
wheel, ventilated seats, a lot of stuff
that was common, but even though her car

458
00:25:31,833 --> 00:25:35,625
had all sorts of things, because it had a
wood steering wheel, it couldn't be a

459
00:25:35,625 --> 00:25:36,458
heated steering wheel.

460
00:25:36,458 --> 00:25:38,833
And that's one of the things that, that
was the only thing that really annoyed her

461
00:25:38,833 --> 00:25:39,958
about the car, which is kind of funny.

462
00:25:39,958 --> 00:25:43,375
But obviously now, especially with this
new generation

463
00:25:44,875 --> 00:25:48,083
even though it looks kind of toyish on the
outside, it's still a very capable

464
00:25:48,083 --> 00:25:49,166
off-roader.

465
00:25:49,291 --> 00:25:53,541
And the interior for sure has become much
more Range Rover-y.

466
00:25:53,541 --> 00:25:57,916
And so it was still really nice, and we
liked it, and we drove it back.

467
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:02,416
But as much as my mom liked the styling of
it, she was like, it's just a little, it

468
00:26:02,416 --> 00:26:03,375
was a little too big.

469
00:26:03,375 --> 00:26:05,458
She was like, if anything, I'd like to go
something smaller.

470
00:26:05,458 --> 00:26:06,708
And she was kind of looking at these
things.

471
00:26:06,708 --> 00:26:12,000
And in the end, we were there for a couple
of hours, at least, if not a few hours.

472
00:26:12,041 --> 00:26:13,291
And by the end of it,

473
00:26:13,291 --> 00:26:14,208
She's like, you know what?

474
00:26:14,208 --> 00:26:16,041
I think I want to get the...

475
00:26:16,791 --> 00:26:19,625
We looked at a few different ones and it
was really the Range Rover Discovery,

476
00:26:19,625 --> 00:26:23,333
which kind of surprised both of us that
she landed on that had the right size,

477
00:26:23,833 --> 00:26:25,625
right functionality, right options.

478
00:26:25,916 --> 00:26:30,291
And price-wise wasn't too bad, but it also
surprised both of us actually how

479
00:26:30,291 --> 00:26:32,416
expensive the Discovery's got.

480
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:34,166
We're almost the defender now.

481
00:26:34,166 --> 00:26:35,000
It's kind of the...

482
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,416
I mean, the Discovery is the entry one,
but to find an entry one...

483
00:26:39,416 --> 00:26:43,541
is a lot harder than it is to find like an
entry price defender or in that ballpark.

484
00:26:43,541 --> 00:26:45,708
They got up pretty quickly in price.

485
00:26:47,125 --> 00:26:52,125
And her ideal budget was mid to high 70s
or 80s.

486
00:26:52,125 --> 00:26:55,166
She could go higher than that, but that's
like what she really wanted to spend.

487
00:26:56,166 --> 00:27:01,625
And then could go into the 80s for sure if
needed and maybe even higher than that.

488
00:27:01,625 --> 00:27:03,916
But she really wanted to kind of get a
deal because

489
00:27:04,083 --> 00:27:07,333
She did also hearing about how sales were
slowing, especially with electric

490
00:27:07,333 --> 00:27:11,125
vehicles, and she realized this was an
electric vehicle, and she felt really bad

491
00:27:11,125 --> 00:27:13,666
about not getting one, but there was just
everything she really liked.

492
00:27:13,666 --> 00:27:16,916
She liked the style and the interior and
the functionality, and she really liked

493
00:27:16,916 --> 00:27:17,458
the Land Rover.

494
00:27:17,458 --> 00:27:23,208
So we leave, it's probably about six at
this point, we go get sushi and we kind of

495
00:27:23,208 --> 00:27:27,833
talk about it, and we both were pretty
pleased and pretty pumped about the

496
00:27:27,833 --> 00:27:31,375
experience, but we kind of finally say,
why don't we go to the Mercedes dealership

497
00:27:31,375 --> 00:27:32,416
the next day?

498
00:27:32,458 --> 00:27:36,416
to go talk to the person that you had been
working with and just kind of look at the

499
00:27:36,416 --> 00:27:37,833
Mercedes electric.

500
00:27:38,041 --> 00:27:40,333
And this kind of turned out to be a whole
thing.

501
00:27:40,416 --> 00:27:46,208
And not in a bad way, but what was
interesting to me was, first on the way

502
00:27:46,208 --> 00:27:50,583
there, I didn't know that the Maserati
Ferrari dealership had actually been moved

503
00:27:50,583 --> 00:27:52,208
to pretty much right down the street from
it.

504
00:27:52,208 --> 00:27:53,500
So as we're driving,

505
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:58,541
I was like, oh, this is essentially a
couple blocks away.

506
00:27:58,750 --> 00:28:01,333
And I was kind of jokingly saying we
should go look at it.

507
00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:03,791
But as we're driving by, I know it's like,
oh, those look like defenders.

508
00:28:03,791 --> 00:28:08,166
They are not the new ones, but kind of
like the classic boxy ones.

509
00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:12,083
And then really quickly I was like, oh,
those are Ineos Grenadiers.

510
00:28:12,541 --> 00:28:14,125
And my mom's like, what?

511
00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:17,708
And she just thought that they were just
defenders and maybe that was some version.

512
00:28:17,708 --> 00:28:22,166
And so we drive past them to look at it
like, no, these are their own brand, which

513
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:24,500
I forget the specifics, but.

514
00:28:24,625 --> 00:28:29,166
Long story short, the Ineos Grenadier is
kind of, I mean, it's been kind of called

515
00:28:29,166 --> 00:28:36,291
the Defender 2.0 because it is very chunky
and kind of got those hard edges like the

516
00:28:36,291 --> 00:28:37,666
classic Defender.

517
00:28:37,666 --> 00:28:42,458
And long story short, what happened was
there's some, I've been told an oil baron,

518
00:28:42,458 --> 00:28:48,333
but kind of an entrepreneur in the oil
space, oil and gas space that wanted to

519
00:28:48,333 --> 00:28:52,708
buy the molds, I believe, from Jaguar Land
Rover for the old defenders to make a

520
00:28:52,708 --> 00:28:54,125
couple for himself.

521
00:28:54,708 --> 00:28:58,208
which is a pretty big flag, so it would be
pretty cool at a man.

522
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,666
But Jaguar Land Rover said no, and he's
like, okay, how about you just make me a

523
00:29:01,666 --> 00:29:02,125
few more?

524
00:29:02,125 --> 00:29:03,083
And they still said no.

525
00:29:03,083 --> 00:29:04,291
He's like, okay, wait, screw it.

526
00:29:04,291 --> 00:29:05,250
I'll make my own company.

527
00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:06,833
He started Ineos Grenadier.

528
00:29:07,666 --> 00:29:14,208
Obviously very, I recommend Googling, but
very based, very similar to the Defender,

529
00:29:14,208 --> 00:29:15,416
the classic Defender.

530
00:29:16,125 --> 00:29:21,541
And he in fact gets sued by Jaguar Land
Rover for being kind of a trademark in

531
00:29:21,541 --> 00:29:23,291
design infringement and all this stuff.

532
00:29:23,291 --> 00:29:25,166
He ends up winning the case.

533
00:29:25,166 --> 00:29:28,416
And so they've gone into production and
now they, I knew they were being shipped

534
00:29:28,416 --> 00:29:32,708
in the US, but I didn't know that there
were any locations on the West Coast.

535
00:29:32,708 --> 00:29:35,666
Maybe I figured there was one in Seattle
or maybe the LA area.

536
00:29:35,666 --> 00:29:39,583
But I guess this Maserati Ferrari
dealership also, if they didn't have, if

537
00:29:39,583 --> 00:29:42,000
they weren't officially a dealership, they
at least had a couple there and some

538
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,750
information on it.

539
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:47,500
So we just checked it out and quickly,
obviously it's a really cool truck and

540
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,333
it's much more like the classic Defender
where it's about going off road and being

541
00:29:50,333 --> 00:29:51,791
utilitarian than luxury.

542
00:29:51,791 --> 00:29:52,375
So.

543
00:29:52,375 --> 00:29:55,125
My mom thought it was cool, it was
interesting, but it was clearly not a

544
00:29:55,125 --> 00:29:58,583
competitive thing and obviously they don't
have the electric version.

545
00:29:58,958 --> 00:30:03,416
So we go to the Mercedes dealership and
this is where I find out this whole back

546
00:30:03,416 --> 00:30:07,000
story where my mom went the first time and
had a really great experience with this

547
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,375
one guy named Brian.

548
00:30:08,916 --> 00:30:13,000
He was super charismatic, super
educational, kind of took his time.

549
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,583
They went on this test drive with the EQE
and she really liked it.

550
00:30:16,583 --> 00:30:18,791
I was like, okay, that's great.

551
00:30:18,833 --> 00:30:21,625
She goes back and she wants to talk to
Brian.

552
00:30:21,625 --> 00:30:23,708
And they're like, okay, yeah, we'll go get
your Brian.

553
00:30:23,916 --> 00:30:28,250
And some other guy comes out, and it was
pretty clear because the first Brian was

554
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:31,333
about her height, maybe like six foot, a
little taller.

555
00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:33,291
The southern Brian was much taller.

556
00:30:33,291 --> 00:30:37,083
And she's like, she didn't really say it,
but she's like, no, this isn't, or I think

557
00:30:37,083 --> 00:30:37,458
she did.

558
00:30:37,458 --> 00:30:39,208
And she's like, oh no, I was working with
a different Brian.

559
00:30:39,208 --> 00:30:40,916
He was like, well, do you know his last
name?

560
00:30:40,916 --> 00:30:42,458
And she's like, I'm off the top of my
head.

561
00:30:42,458 --> 00:30:45,166
He's like, well, there's five Brian's
here.

562
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,791
And to be honest, if I was in that
situation, I would probably not be going

563
00:30:48,791 --> 00:30:50,250
by the name Brian anymore.

564
00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:52,708
I could have just come up with a nickname
or something to make it a lot easier.

565
00:30:52,708 --> 00:30:54,666
But yes, there are five brands there.

566
00:30:54,958 --> 00:31:00,458
And coincidentally, when we drive up, we
start kinda looking at the cars on the

567
00:31:00,458 --> 00:31:01,041
lot.

568
00:31:01,041 --> 00:31:04,458
And even then it stood out to me how many
of the cars are either gray, black, or

569
00:31:04,458 --> 00:31:04,708
white.

570
00:31:04,708 --> 00:31:05,541
Gray, black, or white.

571
00:31:05,541 --> 00:31:07,250
Occasionally there is a blue one.

572
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:09,666
But it's pretty much gray, black, or
white.

573
00:31:09,666 --> 00:31:11,041
And like one red one.

574
00:31:11,041 --> 00:31:15,125
But that was it with a couple of like blue
ones here and there.

575
00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:17,333
And...

576
00:31:17,333 --> 00:31:20,625
one guy starts coming up to him and my mom
just kind of leans over and was like,

577
00:31:20,625 --> 00:31:23,250
that's the Brian, that's the original guy
that helped me.

578
00:31:23,291 --> 00:31:25,833
And it did for sure turn out his name was
Brian.

579
00:31:25,916 --> 00:31:28,333
And I immediately asked for a car and I
took a photo of it.

580
00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:31,541
So we just had it for future reference,
but that was just fun.

581
00:31:31,541 --> 00:31:33,958
It was like, why don't you just have a
nickname or something else?

582
00:31:33,958 --> 00:31:39,125
But anyway, we get in the car and, or we,
we started looking at the cars and we go

583
00:31:39,125 --> 00:31:43,791
through one in particular that my mom had
been following actually.

584
00:31:43,791 --> 00:31:44,583
that had been on the lot.

585
00:31:44,583 --> 00:31:47,958
She wanted the blue, I think it's called
Twilight Blue, they did, and it's a really

586
00:31:47,958 --> 00:31:51,958
beautiful color, but it turned out they
didn't really have that, but they had this

587
00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:55,666
one with the brown interior she really
wanted, and that was also beautiful.

588
00:31:55,666 --> 00:31:58,500
It was like, and it was a black car, so
she's like, yeah, whatever, if it's black,

589
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,708
that's fine, but just really wanted the
brown interior.

590
00:32:00,708 --> 00:32:06,125
So, and he's like, yeah, it's been on the
lot for a few months at least, and so,

591
00:32:06,916 --> 00:32:10,333
they just had that December to remember,
whatever they call it, holiday event, it's

592
00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,750
still here, they must be, they probably
really wanna get rid of it.

593
00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:13,875
It's a 23.

594
00:32:13,916 --> 00:32:15,666
They've got 24s getting on the lot.

595
00:32:15,666 --> 00:32:18,125
And so we're like, okay, let's, let's
sure.

596
00:32:18,125 --> 00:32:21,083
We'll give it a test drive and see if we
can get some sort of deal on it.

597
00:32:21,458 --> 00:32:24,458
And I get in the car.

598
00:32:24,625 --> 00:32:25,625
It's nice.

599
00:32:25,625 --> 00:32:28,208
And if you're familiar with the new
Mercedes electrics, they have something

600
00:32:28,208 --> 00:32:31,666
called the hyper screen, which I'm not a
big fan of, and this one doesn't have that

601
00:32:31,666 --> 00:32:35,416
and it turns out now only like the really
high end models have that.

602
00:32:35,583 --> 00:32:36,291
And that's fine with me.

603
00:32:36,291 --> 00:32:38,791
I actually think it looks better with just
those standard

604
00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:45,208
screen and then kind of a traditional dash
around it for the most part.

605
00:32:45,416 --> 00:32:46,625
And it's, it's nice.

606
00:32:46,625 --> 00:32:50,416
It drives, Cal and Cal Mercedes were
pretty light, pretty soft.

607
00:32:50,625 --> 00:32:55,875
Um, it was really nice, but to be honest,
I expected it to be a little bit quieter

608
00:32:55,875 --> 00:33:00,875
and maybe ride a little bit softer, but it
was still a very, clearly a very nice car

609
00:33:01,583 --> 00:33:05,875
and they, one of the things they wanted to
show me is like, well, it else has

610
00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:07,333
rear-wheel steering, which I knew.

611
00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:09,375
Um, but it'd been a while since I'd really

612
00:33:09,375 --> 00:33:13,666
driven anything I really hadn't driven
anything that nice with one and so we did

613
00:33:13,666 --> 00:33:16,541
and that was one of the perks about it my
mom like and I don't even think it has the

614
00:33:16,541 --> 00:33:20,416
full 10 degrees I think in this version
only had five degrees but it was wild how

615
00:33:20,416 --> 00:33:23,750
much of a difference that made when we did
a u-turn that I just whipped around like

616
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:29,083
nothing and so I was like I get it this is
pretty sweet we can test drive other

617
00:33:29,083 --> 00:33:33,041
things but if this seems to be the one you
want this is what you're interested in

618
00:33:33,125 --> 00:33:36,291
it's all the color what you want but like
they always say the used car factory

619
00:33:36,291 --> 00:33:37,750
burned down last week

620
00:33:38,208 --> 00:33:41,875
And so you kind of have to get what you,
if it's already built, you kind of have to

621
00:33:41,875 --> 00:33:43,041
go with what you want.

622
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:47,625
And so we start kind of looking at it,
looking at other options.

623
00:33:48,625 --> 00:33:52,083
They really, turns out they can't really
knock down the price at all.

624
00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:53,375
They're pretty hard on the price.

625
00:33:53,375 --> 00:33:56,916
The people we're dealing with, especially
this one Brian, really nice guy.

626
00:33:57,541 --> 00:34:00,375
And I guess this is what was also
interesting was my mom started working

627
00:34:00,375 --> 00:34:03,166
with the other Brian the second time she
went in there, but he was like starting to

628
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:06,125
say stuff against Tesla and other car
companies.

629
00:34:06,125 --> 00:34:06,625
And...

630
00:34:06,625 --> 00:34:09,708
It was just like she didn't like it
because when she's just a very positive

631
00:34:09,708 --> 00:34:13,375
person, she doesn't like kind of talking
negatively about other people.

632
00:34:13,375 --> 00:34:17,166
So she didn't like that he was kind of
poopooing other brands.

633
00:34:19,208 --> 00:34:22,708
And especially kind of tells us that she
just didn't like that kind of more, some

634
00:34:22,708 --> 00:34:25,291
might say traditional sales car sales
experience.

635
00:34:25,375 --> 00:34:26,375
But we're not really having that issue.

636
00:34:26,375 --> 00:34:29,250
The issue we're running into is one, they
don't seem to be interested, like they

637
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:31,250
knocked maybe two grand off the price.

638
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:34,291
So it's still like 90, it's like 93,000.

639
00:34:34,291 --> 00:34:36,250
So it's a very expensive vehicle.

640
00:34:36,791 --> 00:34:42,000
Um, it's not the color she wants and we
were like, okay, do you, if we're gonna

641
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,833
spend that much money and it's pretty much
you could custom make it at that point.

642
00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:49,875
So it's like, well, we could custom make
one and they might be there in June.

643
00:34:49,875 --> 00:34:52,791
And really, to be honest, my mom's not
really in a huge, there's no real

644
00:34:52,791 --> 00:34:53,791
immediate rush.

645
00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:57,583
She just wants to get it before it becomes
or needs to be an immediate rush.

646
00:34:57,916 --> 00:34:59,833
And so she's like, okay, maybe we kind of
do that.

647
00:34:59,833 --> 00:35:03,208
But the soonest it might get there was
June.

648
00:35:03,208 --> 00:35:06,666
and then she could do her own colors and
they actually had a really beautiful

649
00:35:06,666 --> 00:35:11,041
emerald metallic green and if you've never
followed them I highly recommend the

650
00:35:11,041 --> 00:35:16,750
YouTube channel Juice Motors because
they're a UK defender kind of resto mod

651
00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:21,875
but just they do amazing builds of classic
defenders for being either super off-road

652
00:35:21,875 --> 00:35:27,750
or kind of making them more kind of all of
purpose or on-road and they recently did a

653
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:32,458
Defender 90 in this emerald green Mercedes
metallic it's such a beautiful color

654
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:34,416
We later saw a car in that color.

655
00:35:34,416 --> 00:35:37,208
It was like, that's the color I would
probably get, just because it's unique and

656
00:35:37,208 --> 00:35:38,375
it's really beautiful.

657
00:35:38,833 --> 00:35:42,166
But they also had a really beautiful brown
metallic that they had for one of the

658
00:35:42,166 --> 00:35:42,375
cars.

659
00:35:42,375 --> 00:35:45,833
But of course, it's the AMG EQE, which was
at least like 130,000.

660
00:35:46,333 --> 00:35:47,250
So way out of the price.

661
00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:50,416
And to be honest, my mom was even kind of
fine with just the base one.

662
00:35:50,416 --> 00:35:52,958
She didn't need the speed or anything like
that.

663
00:35:52,958 --> 00:35:55,000
It was still gonna be faster than her
current Mercedes.

664
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:01,750
So it just was really interesting that we
started working with them to find a car.

665
00:36:01,958 --> 00:36:03,541
They don't have anything in their
dealership.

666
00:36:03,541 --> 00:36:06,791
They start going through their dealership
network.

667
00:36:06,833 --> 00:36:11,250
They don't have any car in blue, and, or
they have cars in blue, but the only

668
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:13,416
interiors they have are kind of this gray.

669
00:36:13,875 --> 00:36:17,833
I think it's white, it's technically gray,
but it's like, I would say more like off

670
00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:19,666
white than like a traditional gray.

671
00:36:20,416 --> 00:36:25,000
And they also have a gray, but it was
interesting that the majority of their

672
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:31,041
cars are, as I've said, black, white, or
gray, and they have very few,

673
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:33,083
cars of the EQE in this color.

674
00:36:33,083 --> 00:36:35,708
You pretty much do have to custom order at
that point.

675
00:36:35,875 --> 00:36:38,916
And even then, they've been sitting there
for a while, and they weren't really

676
00:36:38,916 --> 00:36:40,583
budgeting on price at all.

677
00:36:40,708 --> 00:36:43,541
And it was just a really odd experience.

678
00:36:43,833 --> 00:36:47,375
And so my mom was kind of like, you know
what?

679
00:36:47,375 --> 00:36:48,625
This is good to know.

680
00:36:48,875 --> 00:36:52,458
If I'm gonna spend almost this much money
anyway, I'm not gonna buy one on the lot.

681
00:36:52,458 --> 00:36:55,416
I'll just have one custom made, which is
what I would do too.

682
00:36:55,791 --> 00:36:59,541
You might as well just get the exact
version, exact colors you want.

683
00:36:59,666 --> 00:37:03,541
And so that's kind of like, okay, well, we
figured it out.

684
00:37:03,541 --> 00:37:07,458
It's probably gonna be now either the
brown or this, I think most likely to be

685
00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:10,666
emerald green with this brown interior,
which will be a beautiful car.

686
00:37:10,666 --> 00:37:13,291
And like I said, it handled really well,
it drove really well.

687
00:37:13,291 --> 00:37:15,375
It's much more of the traditional kind of
car experience.

688
00:37:15,375 --> 00:37:19,666
There's like, you know, start stop thing
that I'd even like, I kind of forgot about

689
00:37:19,666 --> 00:37:21,041
at one point when I was trying to get it
to go.

690
00:37:21,041 --> 00:37:23,458
And I'm like, oh, you gotta do this thing.

691
00:37:23,458 --> 00:37:28,125
And so this, I know it's already become
kind of a long story, but this is where

692
00:37:28,125 --> 00:37:29,541
we're kind of like, okay.

693
00:37:29,875 --> 00:37:31,791
We go get lunch, it's a lot of money.

694
00:37:31,791 --> 00:37:36,166
It's more that she wants to spend, but in
some ways it works better because she's

695
00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:40,250
also got some things going on financially
that she's like, well, if I'm buying this,

696
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:42,291
it actually would be better if it's
probably the second half of the year

697
00:37:42,291 --> 00:37:43,208
anyway.

698
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:45,416
And that's where it would kind of be nice.

699
00:37:45,416 --> 00:37:48,916
Okay, if I design this, it doesn't get
here until June, July, yeah, whatever.

700
00:37:49,041 --> 00:37:50,916
But it's so 95,000, that's a lot of money.

701
00:37:50,916 --> 00:37:55,333
And I was like, yeah, I agree, but you've
always liked your Mercedes, you have them

702
00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:56,541
for 10 years.

703
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,500
You're gonna spend a lot of money.

704
00:37:59,125 --> 00:38:02,208
I mean, it's probably not the financial
advice thing, but it's like you're the

705
00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:07,333
delta between What you're spending and
what you want what you have to spend to

706
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:09,125
get what you?

707
00:38:09,333 --> 00:38:14,916
Want and what you're getting it's almost
just like you might as well just do it and

708
00:38:14,916 --> 00:38:20,333
Normally what she does anyway, she usually
finances a car makes maybe Payments for a

709
00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:25,041
year or so and then just pays off at all
at once later anyway, so it's like Across

710
00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:27,291
the board not that big when issue on the
price

711
00:38:27,291 --> 00:38:28,833
even though it's more money than you want
to spend.

712
00:38:28,833 --> 00:38:33,250
And we kind of keep talking at lunch and I
was like, you know what, we've been

713
00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:36,916
looking at cars that you've won all this
time and it turns out, I think they've got

714
00:38:36,916 --> 00:38:43,833
the new Tesla Model 3 Highland at the
Tesla dealership off McAdam, which is kind

715
00:38:43,833 --> 00:38:45,000
of like Southwest Portland.

716
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,208
And she's like, you want to go look at it?

717
00:38:46,208 --> 00:38:47,125
I was like, oh, sure.

718
00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:48,458
I was kind of like, nah, we don't have to
go.

719
00:38:48,458 --> 00:38:49,333
It's like, let's go look.

720
00:38:49,333 --> 00:38:50,750
I was like, okay.

721
00:38:51,583 --> 00:38:52,750
And so we go there.

722
00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:55,166
It turns out they don't have.

723
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:59,416
The Model 3 Highline at that location,
they have it at the new Tigard location.

724
00:38:59,416 --> 00:39:00,500
I was like, oh, okay, whatever.

725
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:01,916
But I guess they were getting one the next
day.

726
00:39:01,916 --> 00:39:07,000
But while we're there, in the dealership
or in the film room, they have a brand new

727
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Tesla Model X with the red, ultra red
color, which is a beautiful color.

728
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,750
And that was actually what my mom had
looked at and spec-ing it with.

729
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:17,958
I was like, oh, okay, this is interesting.

730
00:39:18,125 --> 00:39:19,541
We started kind of sitting and playing
with it.

731
00:39:19,541 --> 00:39:22,291
One of the salespeople comes over and
helps us, someone I had known and kind of

732
00:39:22,291 --> 00:39:25,166
helped with a car I'd bought previously.

733
00:39:25,625 --> 00:39:26,625
He was pretty good.

734
00:39:26,625 --> 00:39:30,041
It was I wouldn't say high pressure, but
there was like occasionally there were a

735
00:39:30,041 --> 00:39:33,333
couple things he would say that was a
little more pressure in Look down even on

736
00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:36,875
the Mercedes a bit which I get it at the
same time.

737
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:37,875
It's like person.

738
00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:42,083
It's good to have options Personally, I
think I like the layout of the Tesla, but

739
00:39:42,083 --> 00:39:47,000
I wasn't a big fan of the whole new drive
thing you can use the physical hardware

740
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,250
thing which is once I show that to my mom
and she's like, oh I would do that and

741
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:53,833
That's what she ended up using it really
wasn't that bad but

742
00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:57,416
it's just a different thing than having to
swipe on the screen.

743
00:39:57,583 --> 00:40:00,458
So we start talking and she really likes
the new interior.

744
00:40:00,458 --> 00:40:04,083
I thought it looked so much better than
that old, the old model, uh, model X

745
00:40:04,083 --> 00:40:05,625
interior and what they have now.

746
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,375
And we kind of start talking, we hang out
there for maybe 30 minutes and then we

747
00:40:09,375 --> 00:40:10,958
leave and we keep talking about it.

748
00:40:10,958 --> 00:40:12,791
And she's like, you know what?

749
00:40:12,791 --> 00:40:14,833
I did a test drive like a year ago.

750
00:40:14,833 --> 00:40:16,750
Why don't we just do a new one?

751
00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:20,333
And she's like, yeah, maybe, or she.

752
00:40:20,416 --> 00:40:21,250
We were trying to go back and forth.

753
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:24,250
It's like, you test drove it before and
you weren't that impressed with it or you

754
00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:25,541
just, it wasn't enough for you to do it.

755
00:40:25,541 --> 00:40:30,666
So yeah, it was like, honestly, it seems
to be now with her experience and what

756
00:40:30,666 --> 00:40:34,541
just seeing it again, it's like, it's
either going to be the EQP or because the

757
00:40:34,541 --> 00:40:39,333
Model X is about 15 to 20 grand cheaper, a
red Model X.

758
00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:41,958
And I was like, well, why don't you just
test drive it again after we test run all

759
00:40:41,958 --> 00:40:44,791
these other vehicles anyway, if you're
going to spend that much money, let's just

760
00:40:44,958 --> 00:40:46,041
double check.

761
00:40:46,666 --> 00:40:49,750
So the next day, and this is where the
Cybertruck and the Highland come in.

762
00:40:50,041 --> 00:40:53,375
We actually go to the wrong location.

763
00:40:53,375 --> 00:40:55,083
It's their new location.

764
00:40:55,083 --> 00:41:00,583
And they're still actually doing in the
Tigard Southwest, really Southwest

765
00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:02,416
Portland metro area.

766
00:41:02,708 --> 00:41:06,541
They're still doing it out of the mall
location, which was their first location

767
00:41:06,541 --> 00:41:09,333
in the whole Oregon area.

768
00:41:09,333 --> 00:41:11,833
But I think they're actually gonna be
closing that out soon.

769
00:41:11,833 --> 00:41:15,208
And what was, but we get either way, we go
to the wrong place, but it's only a five

770
00:41:15,208 --> 00:41:15,666
minute drive.

771
00:41:15,666 --> 00:41:16,916
We get there a bit early.

772
00:41:17,166 --> 00:41:20,583
And not only do they have the new Model 3
Highland, which you can sit in the

773
00:41:20,583 --> 00:41:24,291
showroom, they actually have the new, the
Cybertruck.

774
00:41:24,666 --> 00:41:28,708
And that was really fascinating, because
it was roped off, so you couldn't touch

775
00:41:28,708 --> 00:41:30,333
it, you couldn't get in or anything.

776
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:36,208
But I have to admit, my mom and I, and
technically my mom does have like a, like

777
00:41:36,208 --> 00:41:38,750
I said, my stepfather has a reservation
for one.

778
00:41:38,916 --> 00:41:43,000
I think it is actually technically my
mom's name, and so the plan was when it

779
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,250
came out, he would probably get it, and
then my mom would.

780
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:48,791
trade in her car she had already and get
them all like, I don't know, something

781
00:41:48,791 --> 00:41:50,416
like that, but that was ages ago.

782
00:41:51,083 --> 00:41:57,666
But we were both surprised at it in person
because it looked so much better in

783
00:41:57,666 --> 00:41:58,125
person.

784
00:41:58,125 --> 00:41:59,541
I couldn't believe it.

785
00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,916
I really, I always thought it looked
pretty good from the front, but even from

786
00:42:03,916 --> 00:42:08,125
the sides and all this, it really
surprised me how much, not only did I like

787
00:42:08,125 --> 00:42:10,500
it, but my mom even liked the looks of it.

788
00:42:10,666 --> 00:42:15,666
And even from like directly on the side,
which I thought was its ugliest.

789
00:42:15,666 --> 00:42:20,333
dimension, seeing it in person, seeing it
eye level, it didn't look somehow, it did

790
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:22,916
look triangular, and it actually looked
really good.

791
00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:27,458
Which really surprised me, the overall
look had kinda grown on me over the years

792
00:42:27,458 --> 00:42:32,500
now, compared to when I first saw it, but
seeing it in person was pretty shocking.

793
00:42:33,583 --> 00:42:37,291
How much I liked it, and how much, also
surprisingly, my mom's looking at this EQE

794
00:42:37,291 --> 00:42:41,875
and a model X, which exterior-wise I don't
think are great looking cars, they're very

795
00:42:41,875 --> 00:42:45,000
egg-shaped, and then this super kind of
aggressive.

796
00:42:45,041 --> 00:42:48,541
triangular thing, she's even, I mean, it's
definitely still different from the

797
00:42:48,541 --> 00:42:52,541
Defender that we looked at, but she was
saying it was one of her favorite designs

798
00:42:52,541 --> 00:42:53,666
and she really liked the look of it.

799
00:42:53,666 --> 00:42:57,166
And I think the best way I can describe
it, especially being in the showroom,

800
00:42:57,166 --> 00:43:02,000
especially being roped off, it's like
looking at modern, and I know I've

801
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,916
experienced this with the car before, but
the last time I can ever think about

802
00:43:05,916 --> 00:43:09,000
having a similar experience was when I
accidentally came across the Concours

803
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,041
d'Elegance in Tokyo when I was...

804
00:43:14,125 --> 00:43:18,875
Tokyo actually means in Kyoto I just been
in there for vacation and then randomly is

805
00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:23,458
going on and we were at this one It was at
a Japanese castle that it was actually

806
00:43:23,458 --> 00:43:26,458
going on that we were just taking a tour
of anyway as I will screw it I'm here

807
00:43:26,458 --> 00:43:26,666
already.

808
00:43:26,666 --> 00:43:31,458
I'm gonna go check these cars out there
all these beautiful classic Italian 60s

809
00:43:31,458 --> 00:43:37,958
and 70s and British like in my opinion the
best car design era ever European sports

810
00:43:37,958 --> 00:43:41,750
cars rare like Zagato Aston Martin Edition
all this stuff.

811
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:42,875
It was amazing

812
00:43:43,208 --> 00:43:47,375
And that was years ago, but like, this was
the first time since then where it's like,

813
00:43:47,375 --> 00:43:51,666
you're going to see cars and it's like a
art exhibit.

814
00:43:51,666 --> 00:43:54,541
It's you're appreciating for its beauty.

815
00:43:54,666 --> 00:43:59,125
And the cyber truck truly was like looking
at a good or bad.

816
00:43:59,166 --> 00:44:01,250
But it wasn't like, I thought it was
incredibly beautiful.

817
00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:04,041
I didn't think it was like, and it, but it
still looked a lot better than I was

818
00:44:04,041 --> 00:44:09,875
expecting, but it was truly like looking
and going to a modern art exhibit.

819
00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:11,333
And you just see the cyber trucking.

820
00:44:11,333 --> 00:44:12,375
I literally would.

821
00:44:12,375 --> 00:44:15,208
We looked at it probably for just 20
minutes and we would just walk around from

822
00:44:15,208 --> 00:44:17,791
different angles and look at it and it
would just shock me.

823
00:44:17,791 --> 00:44:19,875
I was like, this thing looks a lot better
in person.

824
00:44:19,875 --> 00:44:23,958
It's just so weird and so unique, but at
the same time, it looks a lot better than

825
00:44:23,958 --> 00:44:24,625
I thought it would look.

826
00:44:24,625 --> 00:44:28,750
And in a lot of the photos and videos, the
back of it looked horrible.

827
00:44:28,791 --> 00:44:32,083
In person, it's probably still its worst
angle, but it doesn't look as bad as I

828
00:44:32,083 --> 00:44:34,458
thought it did somehow.

829
00:44:34,458 --> 00:44:38,875
I think just instead of looking out at it
and where it makes the back look so big,

830
00:44:38,875 --> 00:44:41,166
just naturally you're kinda looking more
down on it.

831
00:44:41,166 --> 00:44:44,875
And so the back proportions aren't as big
and off as it seems like in a lot of the

832
00:44:44,875 --> 00:44:46,208
photos and videos.

833
00:44:47,166 --> 00:44:50,458
So that was really, I think, my favorite
part of the weekend.

834
00:44:50,458 --> 00:44:53,458
It kind of big a surprise was like how
much I like the look of it.

835
00:44:55,125 --> 00:44:58,541
I am very envious of the fact that it has
this, as they were even promoting there,

836
00:44:58,541 --> 00:45:02,666
the rock chip proof glass, because that's
an issue I've been dealing with, my

837
00:45:02,666 --> 00:45:05,916
stepfather has been dealing with at least
once or twice a year with his Model X,

838
00:45:05,916 --> 00:45:08,708
where the glass is much larger and needs
to be replaced too.

839
00:45:09,250 --> 00:45:12,416
And one of the other things was my mom
liked that it had the rear wheel steering

840
00:45:12,416 --> 00:45:16,041
when she found out about that Because it
is clearly bigger than anything we've been

841
00:45:16,041 --> 00:45:20,333
looking at Closest was probably the Rivian
and even then it was still a bit a little

842
00:45:20,333 --> 00:45:24,625
bit longer than the r1s But she really
liked the fact that every real steering is

843
00:45:24,625 --> 00:45:28,333
like well if it's this big anyway it's
gonna be able to handle a lot better more

844
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:33,666
like the Mercedes and then the r1s did
well, okay, well, that's funny that this

845
00:45:33,666 --> 00:45:35,541
is now maybe an option but

846
00:45:36,083 --> 00:45:41,083
Either way, it was clear that she was
either going to do the Model X or E-Q-E

847
00:45:41,083 --> 00:45:45,166
Mercedes because of the size and just
functionality and just use case.

848
00:45:45,916 --> 00:45:48,416
And then coincidentally, right next to it
was the new Model 3 Highland.

849
00:45:48,416 --> 00:45:53,875
I didn't get to drive it, but just sitting
in it and looking at the new materials, I

850
00:45:53,875 --> 00:45:57,666
think it makes it look a lot more premium,
higher end.

851
00:45:57,666 --> 00:46:01,041
It's obviously still like an entry premium
vehicle.

852
00:46:01,791 --> 00:46:02,708
And I think...

853
00:46:02,875 --> 00:46:06,208
I think the Model 3 already was a great
value and now at the price point that it's

854
00:46:06,208 --> 00:46:09,583
at and what it does, it to me is still a
really good value.

855
00:46:09,583 --> 00:46:12,458
It's probably not...

856
00:46:12,458 --> 00:46:15,083
I mean, it's been a while since I've even
been in an entry.

857
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:24,000
Three series or four series or even kind
of a for a three from Audi and so on But

858
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,250
my thing even with those cars is I think a
lot of car reviewers always talk about

859
00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:32,583
like oh the Mercedes this and That is
better equipped and this there's a huge

860
00:46:32,583 --> 00:46:37,958
price delta when it's equipped In an
equivalent matter for one thing, but the

861
00:46:37,958 --> 00:46:46,041
other thing is so many people especially
in that entry Mercedes and BMW trim get

862
00:46:46,041 --> 00:46:50,208
basic trim because they want to just get
the brand or they want the steering of it.

863
00:46:50,833 --> 00:46:56,125
And in my experience, the average Tesla is
usually better well equipped and specced

864
00:46:56,125 --> 00:47:00,750
than a lot of Mercedes or BMWs and people
don't realize that because like when you

865
00:47:00,750 --> 00:47:04,583
see these people testing and so they're
testing like the fully loaded versions.

866
00:47:05,291 --> 00:47:09,541
And so I just thought, yeah, I mean, don't
get me wrong, I totally get it.

867
00:47:09,541 --> 00:47:11,000
There's definitely a difference.

868
00:47:11,333 --> 00:47:14,125
But for the price and the money you're
getting, I think it's...

869
00:47:14,625 --> 00:47:18,625
Tesla really has cemented itself pretty
well in the premium where it's not luxury,

870
00:47:19,083 --> 00:47:24,375
but you get a performance in a premium, I
think steel for the value and the

871
00:47:24,375 --> 00:47:25,958
performance it offers.

872
00:47:27,375 --> 00:47:31,958
But yeah, so Cybertruck, Model 3 Highland,
both really surprised and delighted by, I

873
00:47:31,958 --> 00:47:34,125
guess you could say.

874
00:47:34,125 --> 00:47:38,875
And I've always enjoyed, I got a chance to
drive the last gen Model 3 Long Range just

875
00:47:38,875 --> 00:47:42,958
through Cornwall, kind of Southwest UK, a
couple summers ago.

876
00:47:43,083 --> 00:47:44,625
for a week and I love that thing.

877
00:47:44,625 --> 00:47:47,916
That thing was perfect for kind of the
European roads and the B roads and C roads

878
00:47:47,916 --> 00:47:49,291
and the UK.

879
00:47:49,291 --> 00:47:53,166
And I think this new one would be just as
good if not, maybe slightly better, but I

880
00:47:53,166 --> 00:47:55,833
love the exterior and the interior updates
for sure.

881
00:47:55,833 --> 00:48:04,250
So we went on the Model X test drive and
the interesting thing was on this one, and

882
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:07,541
this was also an interesting thing, is
when we did the Rivian test drive, the

883
00:48:07,541 --> 00:48:08,583
salesperson came with us.

884
00:48:08,583 --> 00:48:12,375
When we did the Mercedes test drive, the
salesperson came with us.

885
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:16,291
But when we did the Land Rover Defender
test drive, they just let us take it.

886
00:48:16,666 --> 00:48:20,541
And when we did the Model X test drive,
they came out to the car with us, kind of

887
00:48:20,541 --> 00:48:22,791
showed us a couple things, but they let us
drive it.

888
00:48:23,125 --> 00:48:28,458
And pretty quickly, what surprised us was,
it was for sure, it wasn't as quiet as the

889
00:48:28,458 --> 00:48:32,458
Mercedes, but it was by far the closest
thing we'd driven quiet wise.

890
00:48:33,583 --> 00:48:38,833
It was much more competitive with the
Mercedes interior quietness wise.

891
00:48:38,833 --> 00:48:41,416
but it also turned out to have the best
steering.

892
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:45,000
It wasn't, obviously the Mercedes with the
rear wheel steering and slow speeds could

893
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,375
turn tighter, but this new Model X turned
definitely tighter than the old one did,

894
00:48:50,833 --> 00:48:54,083
or at least maybe there's something wrong
with the one they have, but it turns

895
00:48:54,083 --> 00:48:55,041
tighter than that one.

896
00:48:55,041 --> 00:48:58,458
But more importantly, it was just the
actual steering driving feel was just a

897
00:48:58,458 --> 00:49:01,875
lot more fun, which is crazy for how big
and heavy this thing was.

898
00:49:01,958 --> 00:49:05,125
And I think it was more kind of a sporty
steering that I'd hoped that the Rivian

899
00:49:05,125 --> 00:49:07,916
would have when you put it into its.

900
00:49:08,291 --> 00:49:09,500
but it really didn't.

901
00:49:09,916 --> 00:49:15,333
And I didn't expect it to be super tight
or anything, but just more feeling, more

902
00:49:15,333 --> 00:49:17,041
fun than what it turned out to be.

903
00:49:17,166 --> 00:49:20,208
And with the Model X, even though it's
still a big thing, we were just both kind

904
00:49:20,208 --> 00:49:24,250
of impressed, like yeah, just finding very
kind of good or bad that Tesla driving

905
00:49:24,250 --> 00:49:24,625
experience.

906
00:49:24,625 --> 00:49:28,916
So it's kind of more like a BMW and just
you point it somewhere and it goes there.

907
00:49:28,916 --> 00:49:32,791
And so that was pretty fun and kind of the
surprise thing was like, well, if we,

908
00:49:32,791 --> 00:49:33,750
yeah, if we.

909
00:49:34,208 --> 00:49:35,875
don't go with the Mercedes, it'd be the
Model X.

910
00:49:35,875 --> 00:49:38,333
And it kind of surprised me, I've never
been a big fan of them.

911
00:49:38,333 --> 00:49:41,916
The interior and the sound and the audio
quality of the new speaker system was

912
00:49:41,916 --> 00:49:42,916
really nice.

913
00:49:43,125 --> 00:49:44,416
And that's what was crazy.

914
00:49:44,416 --> 00:49:49,166
Now it's probably not the same as like the
Hein-Burmeister, but pretty quickly, and a

915
00:49:49,166 --> 00:49:53,416
lot of these EQEs, you just get a
Burmeister sound system, which was pretty

916
00:49:53,416 --> 00:49:54,416
shocking.

917
00:49:55,666 --> 00:49:59,500
Now it's probably not the same quality as
other upgraded sound systems along the

918
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:02,333
German cars, but we listened to it and it
was still really good.

919
00:50:02,791 --> 00:50:06,458
And getting in the Model X the sound
system and that was also really good.

920
00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:09,375
And I think that's what kind of blew me
away is like, you know what?

921
00:50:09,458 --> 00:50:11,250
The Model X is different.

922
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:15,916
It's not as good as some of the German
equivalents in some areas, but once again,

923
00:50:15,916 --> 00:50:21,625
for the price and overall it's a lot
closer than I expected it to be.

924
00:50:21,625 --> 00:50:26,500
Um, and it was still my favorite handling
of the three cars, even though they're all

925
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:30,791
big and heavy, so it's not like it's going
to be super sporty, but when you need to

926
00:50:30,791 --> 00:50:31,500
kind of

927
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:34,250
starting in and out of traffic, it was
really good.

928
00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:37,416
And so there were a couple things.

929
00:50:37,416 --> 00:50:39,750
Obviously the removal of turn signals, I
didn't kind of struggle with.

930
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:42,333
I had to look down, which I...

931
00:50:42,333 --> 00:50:45,375
I wasn't even against the idea of them
getting rid of the turn signals.

932
00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:48,791
It just was silly to me that they both had
left and right turn signals on the left

933
00:50:48,791 --> 00:50:49,041
side.

934
00:50:49,041 --> 00:50:52,083
So you have to look down to see which is
which you're telling.

935
00:50:52,166 --> 00:50:55,208
After a few minutes, I realized, I think
it was the bottom one's right, the top

936
00:50:55,208 --> 00:50:56,708
one's left, so I got that.

937
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:59,958
But like in Ferrari, I mean, obviously a
much different car, but a lot of

938
00:50:59,958 --> 00:51:00,750
high-end...

939
00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:04,833
Sports cars have gotten rid of turn stalks
for and this has been for quite a while

940
00:51:04,833 --> 00:51:08,666
What they do is the left turn signals by
your left hand and the right turn signals

941
00:51:08,666 --> 00:51:12,041
kind of the equivalent space by your Right
hand on the steering wheel.

942
00:51:12,041 --> 00:51:15,791
So now it's really natural to go right or
left And I think a lot of people complain

943
00:51:15,791 --> 00:51:20,333
about this, but if you're using Especially
in van where I live there's a lot of

944
00:51:20,333 --> 00:51:26,500
roundabouts and if you're using The Turn
signal like you're supposed to you're

945
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:28,958
actually supposed to signal before you
turn anyway, so it's really not a big

946
00:51:28,958 --> 00:51:29,625
problem

947
00:51:29,833 --> 00:51:33,791
However, when you're going into a
roundabout, it's different in Europe.

948
00:51:33,791 --> 00:51:35,750
The way you're supposed to do it in
Europe, and it's because the roundabouts

949
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:38,416
are smaller, you're actually supposed to
signal which way you're gonna go before

950
00:51:38,416 --> 00:51:39,500
you go into the roundabout.

951
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,666
Because the roundabouts are so much bigger
and you don't have the visibility from the

952
00:51:42,666 --> 00:51:46,583
other side, you're actually supposed to
signal, at least in Oregon, when you're

953
00:51:46,583 --> 00:51:48,500
leaving the roundabout, which one you
wanna take.

954
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:52,166
So that's about the only situation where,
depending on where your hands are on the

955
00:51:52,166 --> 00:51:56,916
wheel, it would be a little more awkward,
but it'd be a lot less awkward if they'd

956
00:51:56,916 --> 00:51:57,291
have.

957
00:51:57,291 --> 00:52:01,041
the left one where your left hand is and
the right one where your right hand is.

958
00:52:01,041 --> 00:52:05,083
I don't think they're gonna do this, but I
would love to see a software updateable

959
00:52:05,083 --> 00:52:11,750
option where you could replace, I think
it's like the mic audio, if you could

960
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:14,083
actually make that button become the
right.

961
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:20,416
turn signal and then the right turn signal
on the other side just became like it just

962
00:52:20,416 --> 00:52:23,958
essentially even though it says it on the
hardware it just switched by it would make

963
00:52:23,958 --> 00:52:30,083
it such a better driving thing altogether
and then getting rid of the park reverse

964
00:52:30,083 --> 00:52:34,625
neutral drive we just found it so much
easier to use the things by where the

965
00:52:34,625 --> 00:52:38,416
inductive charges are the physical kind of
backup buttons and honestly that's

966
00:52:38,416 --> 00:52:43,375
probably what I would do too for a long
time I just found that so much easier so I

967
00:52:43,375 --> 00:52:45,625
realize this game a little bit

968
00:52:46,375 --> 00:52:52,083
I think our big takeaways was for the
better deal, my mom would go with the

969
00:52:52,083 --> 00:52:56,500
Model X if she had her choice and price
was an object, she'll probably go with the

970
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:56,875
Mercedes.

971
00:52:56,875 --> 00:52:57,750
It's still TBD.

972
00:52:57,750 --> 00:53:01,416
I think she's probably going to go with
the Mercedes likely.

973
00:53:01,791 --> 00:53:03,500
But it was really funny.

974
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:06,416
After we did the test drive, they asked us
if we had any questions.

975
00:53:06,416 --> 00:53:06,958
We were like, I don't know.

976
00:53:06,958 --> 00:53:07,583
We're pretty familiar.

977
00:53:07,583 --> 00:53:11,291
And immediately my mom goes, do you have
the better class in the Model X?

978
00:53:11,291 --> 00:53:12,416
And he didn't know.

979
00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:17,041
He thought my mom meant like the acoustic
sound glass.

980
00:53:17,208 --> 00:53:19,791
And he's like, yeah, we have a better
sound dampening.

981
00:53:19,791 --> 00:53:23,208
He's like, no, or, and so my mom's kinda
like, oh, okay.

982
00:53:23,250 --> 00:53:27,625
But pretty quickly I realized what she was
asking about was in the Cybertruck, where

983
00:53:27,625 --> 00:53:32,958
I had this new, essentially, I'm, if I
remember what it is, it's called, what

984
00:53:32,958 --> 00:53:35,916
the, I wanna say it's like silicon,
borate.

985
00:53:35,916 --> 00:53:37,625
It's something with silicon, moron, and.

986
00:53:37,625 --> 00:53:41,000
one other thing, but it's essentially
Gorilla Glass, is more or less, like in

987
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,333
phones, is now what they're using on the
Cybertron's front windshield, so it's much

988
00:53:44,333 --> 00:53:45,333
stronger.

989
00:53:45,666 --> 00:53:48,583
And so my mom was asking if they had
brought that over to the Model X, because

990
00:53:48,583 --> 00:53:51,375
of how many Rockchips they had been
getting with their Model X, and he was

991
00:53:51,375 --> 00:53:53,458
like, oh, no, we haven't.

992
00:53:53,458 --> 00:53:57,083
But it was just funny that was the only
question my mom had, was like, she was

993
00:53:57,083 --> 00:54:01,041
much more sold on this new version of the
Model X, and honestly, so was I.

994
00:54:02,833 --> 00:54:05,333
But the big thing was like, well, we get
so many Rockchips with that front

995
00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:05,875
windshield.

996
00:54:05,875 --> 00:54:06,500
And...

997
00:54:06,541 --> 00:54:10,875
Due to her light sensitivity, that's
probably the reason she doesn't like light

998
00:54:10,875 --> 00:54:14,333
interiors, it just reflects too much into
her eyes.

999
00:54:14,541 --> 00:54:18,875
And her biggest gripe with the Model X is
the fact that the windshield goes above

1000
00:54:18,875 --> 00:54:20,750
you and just lets in a lot of light.

1001
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:27,166
But they do make a essentially mesh cover
you can put over that.

1002
00:54:27,166 --> 00:54:31,208
Not sure if it's enough, but it seemed to
make it more likely that you could get the

1003
00:54:31,208 --> 00:54:31,500
Model X.

1004
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:34,333
It would just be nice if they did
something really cool like...

1005
00:54:35,333 --> 00:54:38,583
Adaptable glass where I would change the
or I'm trying to think of what that's

1006
00:54:38,583 --> 00:54:42,333
called But essentially the lecture of the
electronically adaptable glass where it

1007
00:54:42,333 --> 00:54:46,250
goes from being fully opaque to
transparent It's something I've loved it

1008
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:49,500
would love to see on Tesla's for a long
time now, and I thought they would but

1009
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:55,875
they still haven't So I think the big
takeaway was The Tesla molex turned out to

1010
00:54:55,875 --> 00:55:00,875
be a lot closer than we thought to the
Mercedes as far as being a competitor It's

1011
00:55:00,875 --> 00:55:03,291
probably the next one if she doesn't go
with the Mercedes

1012
00:55:03,875 --> 00:55:06,708
And the other kind of big surprise, no
offense to anyone, that's Big Ruby.

1013
00:55:06,708 --> 00:55:08,000
I still think it's great brands.

1014
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,500
I still think they're making great
products.

1015
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:13,166
I love, I'm happy for people who are happy
with them.

1016
00:55:13,166 --> 00:55:17,416
But I think that was also the biggest
surprise is that just was more of a

1017
00:55:17,708 --> 00:55:21,250
disappointment than we thought, or not
even disappointment, just it was more, we

1018
00:55:21,250 --> 00:55:27,125
thought it was going to be a much bigger
contender and much more, uh, better

1019
00:55:27,125 --> 00:55:28,791
experience and it just kind of meh.

1020
00:55:30,458 --> 00:55:31,791
So, um,

1021
00:55:31,833 --> 00:55:34,291
I will have an update when she finally
decides what she's going with.

1022
00:55:34,291 --> 00:55:38,583
I think she likes that the Mercedes is
just a little bit more classic.

1023
00:55:38,583 --> 00:55:41,541
She knows what she's dealing with and
there's still stuff that needs to be set

1024
00:55:41,541 --> 00:55:41,708
up.

1025
00:55:41,708 --> 00:55:44,958
But she figured worst case, you can always
ask me when she gets it.

1026
00:55:45,541 --> 00:55:47,708
And she'd probably be doing the same with
the Model X either way.

1027
00:55:47,708 --> 00:55:51,666
And she also realizes, and this is
something I criticize a lot of automatic

1028
00:55:51,666 --> 00:55:56,458
journalists about is they always like
critique the new interior, especially air

1029
00:55:56,458 --> 00:55:59,291
vents where it's like the ones you have to
manually set versus like being able to

1030
00:55:59,291 --> 00:56:00,541
physically grab them.

1031
00:56:00,625 --> 00:56:03,791
There's some truth to that, but my big
thing is like with most of these modern

1032
00:56:03,791 --> 00:56:07,666
cars, once you've set it, especially since
you can save it to a profile, you don't

1033
00:56:07,666 --> 00:56:09,291
have to change it again.

1034
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,750
And car reviewers kind of complain about
it because they're always getting

1035
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:15,541
different cars and having to set it every
time, which I get.

1036
00:56:15,583 --> 00:56:20,416
But in practicality, it's actually really
nice to have features like that, that once

1037
00:56:20,416 --> 00:56:21,833
you set it, you don't have to really touch
it again.

1038
00:56:21,833 --> 00:56:26,541
Because for example, my old Subaru Outback
was a great car and really good when I

1039
00:56:26,541 --> 00:56:27,291
bought it.

1040
00:56:27,833 --> 00:56:30,833
The more I had it, I had the traditional
adjustable air vents.

1041
00:56:30,833 --> 00:56:34,708
And what would happen is they would just
start to kind of droop.

1042
00:56:34,875 --> 00:56:36,125
And so it'd be really hot out.

1043
00:56:36,125 --> 00:56:36,833
I'd get in the car.

1044
00:56:36,833 --> 00:56:37,833
I want to blast the AC.

1045
00:56:37,833 --> 00:56:39,125
I'd aim them at me.

1046
00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:41,375
And then over a few minutes, they drew it
back down and they would be, and I'd have

1047
00:56:41,375 --> 00:56:42,833
to be like adjusting it every few minutes.

1048
00:56:42,833 --> 00:56:46,083
It was really, I mean, it's a first world
problem for sure, but it's one of the

1049
00:56:46,083 --> 00:56:49,000
things that was really annoying and just
makes it kind of less safe to drive.

1050
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,625
Cause you're looking, taking your eyes off
the road.

1051
00:56:52,625 --> 00:56:55,791
And I think with a lot of these electric
cars, there are kind of these one off

1052
00:56:55,791 --> 00:56:57,458
functionality things that.

1053
00:56:57,833 --> 00:57:02,541
I do make the experience better for the
owner, but maybe worse for people who

1054
00:57:02,541 --> 00:57:06,791
aren't either as tech savvy or used to the
technology and then also for people like a

1055
00:57:06,791 --> 00:57:10,666
car reviewer that has to kind of hop in
and try a different car every 10 minutes.

1056
00:57:11,625 --> 00:57:15,333
But the other big surprise from all of
this was how much we thought the

1057
00:57:15,333 --> 00:57:16,666
Cybertruck looked cool.

1058
00:57:17,791 --> 00:57:21,750
And that was kind of a funny experience
just to see the, like I said, it literally

1059
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:23,708
was like going to a modern art exhibit.

1060
00:57:23,708 --> 00:57:25,875
And we would just walk around and we'd...

1061
00:57:26,041 --> 00:57:28,916
look at it from one angle for five
minutes, kind of talk about what we

1062
00:57:28,916 --> 00:57:30,833
thought was cool about, and then we'd go
to another angle.

1063
00:57:30,833 --> 00:57:34,041
And I just, the last time I could think of
anything was when I was at Concourse

1064
00:57:34,041 --> 00:57:37,958
Elegance, and it was literally essentially
the same art experience, where you're

1065
00:57:37,958 --> 00:57:42,625
trying to look at these cars from
different angles and just appreciate them.

1066
00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:48,916
So that's the big and still undecided car
shopping experience.

1067
00:57:48,916 --> 00:57:51,875
And I think the other big takeaway is just
like, it's clear that dealerships still

1068
00:57:51,875 --> 00:57:54,875
have so much to learn about educating on.

1069
00:57:55,166 --> 00:58:01,416
electric vehicles and trying to figure out
the simplicity of CCS versus Nax and what

1070
00:58:01,416 --> 00:58:02,458
that is.

1071
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:05,500
I mean the car we, when we were at the
Mercedes place they were even talking

1072
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:08,416
about electrify America as a discount and
even before I said anything my mom was

1073
00:58:08,416 --> 00:58:09,750
like yeah that's useless.

1074
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:10,708
I don't want to chart there.

1075
00:58:10,708 --> 00:58:11,375
It's too complicated.

1076
00:58:11,375 --> 00:58:11,791
It doesn't work.

1077
00:58:11,791 --> 00:58:16,208
And I was like it's pretty funny that my
mom even says that versus like a person

1078
00:58:16,208 --> 00:58:19,791
that doesn't really drive an EV that
frequently.

1079
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,958
And for other people who might hear that
and get sold on it.

1080
00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:26,083
It's just not going to create an ideal
experience, at least right now.

1081
00:58:26,083 --> 00:58:27,583
I hope that changes, but.

1082
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:33,625
I thought the Mercedes dealership overall
did pretty good with positioning and

1083
00:58:33,625 --> 00:58:36,500
selling electric vehicles, but it was
still interesting that there were a lot of

1084
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,583
gaps and it's just one of the challenges.

1085
00:58:38,833 --> 00:58:44,291
And this kind of goes to the second part
that I wanted to cover, which is around

1086
00:58:44,291 --> 00:58:52,583
now having in my car, being able to set a
service appointment, schedule when it was,

1087
00:58:52,583 --> 00:58:55,541
schedule what the issue is, have it all
taken care of in about 10 minutes.

1088
00:58:55,541 --> 00:58:59,500
And now next Tuesday, I'm just going to go
in and they'll replace the glass.

1089
00:58:59,708 --> 00:59:02,458
And I've got a video coming about that
with more details, but it is just one of

1090
00:59:02,458 --> 00:59:08,083
those things that just makes the
experience so much simpler and easier with

1091
00:59:08,083 --> 00:59:08,791
kind of the Tesla.

1092
00:59:08,791 --> 00:59:13,250
When, when you do have an issue or it's
not like it's a problem with Tesla, just a

1093
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:15,000
fact of life game rock chips.

1094
00:59:15,583 --> 00:59:18,666
It is just well, how easy it was to
schedule, get it all figured out, get it

1095
00:59:18,666 --> 00:59:19,625
approved by insurance.

1096
00:59:19,625 --> 00:59:23,333
Because just for my own curiosity, I've
been going through Tesla insurance.

1097
00:59:23,416 --> 00:59:25,250
It essentially all approved and ready to
go.

1098
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:29,000
And then I'll go on next Tuesday, they'll
swap it out and be done and move on.

1099
00:59:29,458 --> 00:59:33,833
Now some might argue, since they're not a
professional window glass, could that be

1100
00:59:33,833 --> 00:59:34,708
an issue?

1101
00:59:36,583 --> 00:59:41,958
Potentially, I did notice when I had my
class swapped with them last time that

1102
00:59:41,958 --> 00:59:46,500
there was kind of a weird rattle at first
that was new, but it has since gone away.

1103
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:51,666
So I don't know, but it just kind of, once
again, it's an interesting time with kind

1104
00:59:51,666 --> 00:59:54,000
of the pros and cons of having it all done
by one company.

1105
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,500
And so I mean, I think it'd be one thing
if it's like the X or an S, but I've got a

1106
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:01,458
feeling with the frequency of three or
one, they have that probably more down

1107
01:00:01,458 --> 01:00:02,125
then.

1108
01:00:02,541 --> 01:00:06,166
But yeah, for an X, I'd really be
skeptical with that one huge piece of

1109
01:00:06,166 --> 01:00:09,000
class and getting that dialed in right.

1110
01:00:11,291 --> 01:00:14,000
So yeah, I'll have an update on that soon
and there's gonna be a video kind of

1111
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,416
posting how that's gone, what that
experience is like.

1112
01:00:16,416 --> 01:00:18,833
And then finally, just to recap.

1113
01:00:21,125 --> 01:00:24,583
Going to and playing with Tesla's full
self driving as they call it.

1114
01:00:24,583 --> 01:00:29,041
It's definitely not that but It's just
super fascinating for me.

1115
01:00:29,041 --> 01:00:29,625
I totally understand.

1116
01:00:29,625 --> 01:00:30,541
It's not ready for most people.

1117
01:00:30,541 --> 01:00:33,791
I'm asked people don't need to buy it I
don't think it's worth the 12 grand I

1118
01:00:33,791 --> 01:00:38,625
think the what's known as enhanced
autopilot for six grand is expensive, but

1119
01:00:38,625 --> 01:00:42,583
that might be more worth it for a lot of
people And it's kind of on the more

1120
01:00:42,583 --> 01:00:46,458
expensive side and becoming less
Competitive than it was just a couple

1121
01:00:46,458 --> 01:00:47,333
years ago

1122
01:00:47,541 --> 01:00:50,083
to other brands that have found the auto
lane change.

1123
01:00:50,083 --> 01:00:54,083
I think there's even some cars now that
offer it for, I just come standard with

1124
01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:54,708
it.

1125
01:00:54,916 --> 01:00:57,791
But for like a lot of the luxury cars,
it's still an option.

1126
01:00:57,791 --> 01:01:02,333
And if it for it to be standard, you're
still buying a much more expensive, a much

1127
01:01:02,333 --> 01:01:05,250
higher starting price car to just get at
standard.

1128
01:01:05,875 --> 01:01:09,125
But overall, it's very fascinating.

1129
01:01:09,125 --> 01:01:12,916
There was one example where, I know,

1130
01:01:12,916 --> 01:01:16,041
I don't think my wife would be comfortable
with it, but just from my own experience

1131
01:01:16,041 --> 01:01:21,625
with kind of autonomy and other
technologies, I had set it to go back to

1132
01:01:21,625 --> 01:01:25,041
the place I was staying and I turned it on
in this parking lot.

1133
01:01:25,041 --> 01:01:32,541
And I realized unintentionally, I kind of
set it to be about maybe 50 feet from a,

1134
01:01:33,291 --> 01:01:36,833
which was the way we drove in, but it's
actually not a way you can drive out.

1135
01:01:37,083 --> 01:01:40,375
And the car started going like it was
going to go out that way.

1136
01:01:40,375 --> 01:01:41,541
And then I realized.

1137
01:01:41,625 --> 01:01:46,041
oh that's not the right way, we can't, I
can't, that's a one way and it figured it

1138
01:01:46,041 --> 01:01:46,250
out.

1139
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:51,125
And it's like, kind of when you see these
moments, you're like, that is a pretty, I

1140
01:01:51,125 --> 01:01:55,083
don't wanna say ingenious, but it is just
while, it's like when you see a puppy or a

1141
01:01:55,083 --> 01:01:58,750
baby, like see something for the first
time in the world and kind of like, you

1142
01:01:58,750 --> 01:02:03,125
see the kind of gears start turning, this
realization of what it needs to do or what

1143
01:02:03,125 --> 01:02:04,583
this experience is.

1144
01:02:05,250 --> 01:02:07,958
And it was kind of weird to just see that
with your car and learning like, oh, I

1145
01:02:07,958 --> 01:02:08,666
can't.

1146
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:09,750
I can't go that way.

1147
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:14,333
And it was, it obviously had a couple
moments where it was like on the fence and

1148
01:02:14,333 --> 01:02:17,958
not sure what to do, but then it pretty
confidently and quickly made it.

1149
01:02:18,541 --> 01:02:23,958
At other times it does the wrong thing and
it is something you have to pay attention

1150
01:02:23,958 --> 01:02:24,458
to.

1151
01:02:24,458 --> 01:02:31,750
I am more of the mindset that, well, I
understand that this isn't beta, even

1152
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:33,583
saying it's in beta is kind of rough.

1153
01:02:33,583 --> 01:02:37,750
It's probably more like alpha in some
regards.

1154
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:41,250
But the big part of the reason I did this
again was one, just to test it because

1155
01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:47,416
it's been about a year and two, their
fully neural net version should be coming

1156
01:02:47,416 --> 01:02:50,541
out and which they're referring to as V12.

1157
01:02:50,541 --> 01:02:55,250
They've said in the next month or two and
as soon as it's been following autonomy

1158
01:02:55,250 --> 01:03:00,208
and kind of had some exposure to it
professionally over the years, I've always

1159
01:03:00,208 --> 01:03:06,083
thought a fully neural net which for those
who aren't familiar to explain it is...

1160
01:03:06,916 --> 01:03:11,416
Essentially, instead of writing lines of
computer code, you have the computer and

1161
01:03:11,416 --> 01:03:16,666
the driving system almost experience
whether through real world experience or

1162
01:03:16,666 --> 01:03:20,375
through simulation or just throw...

1163
01:03:20,583 --> 01:03:23,250
This is probably the most common case,
just throw a bunch of video at it and it

1164
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,541
learns what to do in these situations.

1165
01:03:25,625 --> 01:03:29,166
And so in a lot of ways, it's actually
much more similar to the human brain.

1166
01:03:29,291 --> 01:03:32,666
And that's what's so interesting about
this is Tesla had like 300,000 lines of

1167
01:03:32,666 --> 01:03:35,500
code and then some of those...

1168
01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:40,583
elements were actually helped with neural
net and Video kind of comprehension to

1169
01:03:40,583 --> 01:03:45,000
make certain aspects of the self-driving
smoother whereas this version essentially

1170
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:51,458
gets rid of 300 like 300,000 lines of cab
and it just learns by itself and It's kind

1171
01:03:51,458 --> 01:03:56,333
of spooky and it's kind of wild but to me
that makes the most sense when you look at

1172
01:03:56,458 --> 01:04:00,208
Whether it's the end all be all I don't
know but it seems like it's gonna be

1173
01:04:00,208 --> 01:04:01,208
definitely a complete

1174
01:04:01,291 --> 01:04:04,583
to get to a truly full self-driving
vehicle and whether it's Tesla or someone

1175
01:04:04,583 --> 01:04:07,458
else, I don't know, but I'm pretty
convinced that that's gonna be the way and

1176
01:04:07,458 --> 01:04:11,083
I've been watching some of the videos
online where it's obviously not perfect,

1177
01:04:11,083 --> 01:04:16,125
but it's become much smoother and less
harsh and be able to kind of critically

1178
01:04:16,125 --> 01:04:17,916
think about what needs to be done.

1179
01:04:17,916 --> 01:04:22,000
And so I'll be actually posting more
videos fairly frequently now on our

1180
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,958
YouTube channel about drives I've taken
with the full self-driving in our Model Y

1181
01:04:26,958 --> 01:04:29,666
and what I've kind of my commentary on
what it is.

1182
01:04:31,125 --> 01:04:35,791
I'd say majority of the time or over not
it's impressive, at least to me, what it's

1183
01:04:35,791 --> 01:04:36,625
doing.

1184
01:04:36,666 --> 01:04:40,458
I think the big takeaway is it usually
makes the right decisions, but it needs to

1185
01:04:40,458 --> 01:04:45,833
sometimes think through or make those
decisions sooner, like with a human

1186
01:04:45,833 --> 01:04:50,875
driver, especially one that knows the area
of where it's driving, which is

1187
01:04:50,875 --> 01:04:53,416
interesting to see when you see other
people on the road, and I'll talk about it

1188
01:04:53,416 --> 01:04:57,875
in a second, but it needs to know which
lane it needs to get into earlier to plan

1189
01:04:57,875 --> 01:04:59,583
for maybe a...

1190
01:04:59,833 --> 01:05:04,958
Off-ramp or a turn it does that pretty
well But it would be much smoother I think

1191
01:05:04,958 --> 01:05:07,750
a lot more people would feel more
comfortable with it if it did those

1192
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:12,166
certain things sooner a lot of the time
and then there's other times where it does

1193
01:05:12,166 --> 01:05:15,916
something weird and so you do have to kind
of watch it but I Get some people are

1194
01:05:15,916 --> 01:05:19,541
freaked out by it But I am more of the
mindset that you need to be for sure

1195
01:05:19,541 --> 01:05:25,458
responsible with it, but I'm Glad that
people have access to it and I think Tesla

1196
01:05:25,458 --> 01:05:28,416
gets all the flack, but they're actually
far from the only one I was even talked to

1197
01:05:28,416 --> 01:05:29,625
someone yesterday

1198
01:05:29,708 --> 01:05:34,708
about how a friend of theirs has access to
Comet AI, which if Tesla's Apple in the

1199
01:05:34,708 --> 01:05:38,416
full self-driving and EV space, Comet AI
is definitely the Android or kind of

1200
01:05:38,416 --> 01:05:43,625
homebrew hacker style, where it's
essentially a video system that you can

1201
01:05:43,625 --> 01:05:48,083
install yourself into a car if it has, if
it meets certain hardware already in the

1202
01:05:48,083 --> 01:05:48,250
car.

1203
01:05:48,250 --> 01:05:51,750
And then this will take over and do a lot
of the driving, at least on the highways

1204
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:52,333
for you.

1205
01:05:52,333 --> 01:05:55,375
And I think they're starting to do some
city stuff, but.

1206
01:05:56,958 --> 01:06:00,875
I think even if the car never becomes full
self-driving, it's well to see what it's

1207
01:06:00,875 --> 01:06:07,208
already learned and doing because the
areas where it more often than not the

1208
01:06:07,208 --> 01:06:11,666
areas where I've had to interact or Kind
of hit the accelerator do something to

1209
01:06:11,666 --> 01:06:16,458
change it is because it's following the
law too closely and human drivers Don't

1210
01:06:16,625 --> 01:06:20,458
and I think that's what has brought I've
also just seen so much is like human

1211
01:06:20,458 --> 01:06:23,666
drivers doing kind of what would be
Technically illegal or the wrong thing to

1212
01:06:23,666 --> 01:06:24,333
do

1213
01:06:24,708 --> 01:06:28,666
For example, with one of the Nitsa things,
which is probably the right thing to do,

1214
01:06:28,666 --> 01:06:32,916
but has kind of caused awkwardness as it
comes to a complete stop at a four-way

1215
01:06:32,916 --> 01:06:37,333
intersection and you just realize how many
people don't or how quickly someone either

1216
01:06:37,333 --> 01:06:38,541
stops and goes.

1217
01:06:38,625 --> 01:06:41,916
Whereas this kind of comes to a nice
gradual stop, but then cars behind you are

1218
01:06:41,916 --> 01:06:44,791
going, wait, you're actually going to a
full stop or kind of causes other weird

1219
01:06:44,791 --> 01:06:47,125
things like that.

1220
01:06:47,125 --> 01:06:50,958
Or you'll just see like the car is trying
to do the right thing, but because of the

1221
01:06:54,666 --> 01:07:00,875
harder to do what it's trying to do or had
it known that humans are unpredictable and

1222
01:07:00,875 --> 01:07:04,541
to realize maybe it should have made those
attempts to make a lane change or whatever

1223
01:07:04,541 --> 01:07:05,000
sooner.

1224
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:10,291
And it's just really fascinating because I
think it's good that people have exposure

1225
01:07:10,291 --> 01:07:10,500
to it.

1226
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:11,208
I totally understand.

1227
01:07:11,208 --> 01:07:14,125
I totally agree that in a lot of ways it's
not ready.

1228
01:07:14,375 --> 01:07:17,791
But at the same time, it just shows how
bad it actually does do a good job of

1229
01:07:17,791 --> 01:07:21,083
showing how bad human drivers are because
you're kind of so much more now in tune to

1230
01:07:21,083 --> 01:07:21,916
some of these

1231
01:07:22,666 --> 01:07:26,208
And I'm just really excited to see if this
version 12 of the fully neural net system

1232
01:07:26,208 --> 01:07:28,458
is as big of a game changer as some of
these people have been saying.

1233
01:07:28,458 --> 01:07:32,291
Obviously, most of the people who have
been exposed to it are either at Tesla or

1234
01:07:32,291 --> 01:07:33,916
very pro Tesla people.

1235
01:07:33,916 --> 01:07:39,583
So I'd like to have a little bit more
open-mindedness to whether it's right or

1236
01:07:39,583 --> 01:07:39,791
not.

1237
01:07:39,791 --> 01:07:44,416
My guess is it's still not ready for
primetime, but will be a big step forward.

1238
01:07:44,625 --> 01:07:45,666
And I'm kind of curious.

1239
01:07:45,666 --> 01:07:50,250
I haven't had my wife be in the car with
this version, which is 11.4.

1240
01:07:51,375 --> 01:07:55,125
I think of FSD, but I know she really
didn't like the one we had when we just

1241
01:07:55,125 --> 01:07:59,583
did the monthly thing of it last year And
so what I might do is I might wait till I

1242
01:07:59,583 --> 01:08:05,291
get 12 point whatever And once I have that
in the car and then have her Be in the car

1243
01:08:05,291 --> 01:08:08,375
went and turn that on and see what she
thinks of it and my guess if I'm being

1244
01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:13,333
honest She still won't like it But she
might be much more comfortable with it if

1245
01:08:13,333 --> 01:08:16,375
it's driving as smoothly and pick out a
lot of this stuff as what?

1246
01:08:16,375 --> 01:08:17,375
I'm seeing along

1247
01:08:17,666 --> 01:08:22,291
You're not, it's, you have the option to
give it control at the speed and then it,

1248
01:08:22,291 --> 01:08:26,416
instead of being so robotic or going a
certain corners really fast rather things,

1249
01:08:26,791 --> 01:08:27,750
it's a lot better about that.

1250
01:08:27,750 --> 01:08:31,208
I will say since I've driven it last year,
there is definitely a lot more things it

1251
01:08:31,208 --> 01:08:37,041
does as being so hard to following the
rules of speeds where it'll kind of adjust

1252
01:08:37,041 --> 01:08:41,041
and has a bit of a flexibility because of
how it'll see like traffic is going.

1253
01:08:42,333 --> 01:08:45,000
So it'll go a little bit faster with
speedlite, which I think is actually the

1254
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,500
safer and right thing to do because
sometimes it would go the speedlite and

1255
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:51,416
then you're just getting passed like crazy
because Arun's doing like 15 or 20 over.

1256
01:08:51,583 --> 01:08:56,541
Then reality by going 10 over, then it's
not being people coming up right on your

1257
01:08:56,541 --> 01:08:57,583
back and all this stuff.

1258
01:08:57,583 --> 01:09:00,541
So it's been a really interesting
experience and just want to give the

1259
01:09:00,541 --> 01:09:05,833
update that we'll be sharing more of those
on the YouTube channel.

1260
01:09:05,958 --> 01:09:10,166
So it's been pretty interesting and I'll
have more updates but

1261
01:09:11,666 --> 01:09:17,833
I think like I said, my biggest issue is
in that it's better, but it still isn't

1262
01:09:17,833 --> 01:09:22,375
fully like a human driver kind of making
sure, especially human driver that knows

1263
01:09:22,375 --> 01:09:24,666
where they're driving as opposed to
somebody who might be driving it for the

1264
01:09:24,666 --> 01:09:30,375
first time, making some of these decisions
while in traffic or even on road settings

1265
01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:31,750
a little bit sooner.

1266
01:09:32,291 --> 01:09:37,625
And so I'll be posting videos of those
soon with kind of my commentary and it'll

1267
01:09:37,625 --> 01:09:39,791
be interesting to see if you guys find
this interesting or not.

1268
01:09:39,791 --> 01:09:41,000
Let me know if you do.

1269
01:09:41,166 --> 01:09:46,541
Um, but with that, I think I've, I mean,
it's already been almost an hour and 10

1270
01:09:46,541 --> 01:09:51,833
minutes, but just to recap, we're going to
have some really cool, um, interviews in

1271
01:09:51,833 --> 01:09:55,416
the next couple of weeks and we'll be back
to the one-to-one interview, uh, set up

1272
01:09:55,416 --> 01:09:59,875
soon and we'll be doing these on, uh,
releasing new episodes on Wednesday.

1273
01:09:59,875 --> 01:10:04,666
We'll also hopefully be trying to get to
later in this year, two episodes a week.

1274
01:10:05,083 --> 01:10:09,083
And, or at least I would like to, but that
will probably require some.

1275
01:10:09,333 --> 01:10:11,666
additional support so we'll see how that
goes.

1276
01:10:12,791 --> 01:10:16,666
And then, yeah, I just want to share the
recent car buying experience.

1277
01:10:16,666 --> 01:10:17,666
It was just really interesting to me.

1278
01:10:17,666 --> 01:10:19,625
If anyone has follow-up questions, please
let me know.

1279
01:10:19,625 --> 01:10:22,000
And if you didn't like this episode, also
let me know.

1280
01:10:22,041 --> 01:10:27,000
But it was just really interesting how,
and just to recap, with the Mercedes

1281
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,208
dealership, it was like 90% of the way
there.

1282
01:10:29,208 --> 01:10:33,875
Just like my mom can almost get exactly
the car she wanted, but it was 90% of the

1283
01:10:33,875 --> 01:10:34,083
car.

1284
01:10:34,083 --> 01:10:37,708
And it was so much more expensive than
just like, okay, if I can't get my, if I'm

1285
01:10:37,708 --> 01:10:39,458
going to have to spend all this money
anyway.

1286
01:10:39,541 --> 01:10:43,041
and it's gonna take all this time to get a
90% car.

1287
01:10:43,041 --> 01:10:46,166
Why don't I just spend like two to three
grand more and just get the car I actually

1288
01:10:46,166 --> 01:10:47,833
want and just wait six months?

1289
01:10:49,125 --> 01:10:51,541
And so it was probably the best.

1290
01:10:52,541 --> 01:10:56,791
It just really interested me that it was a
good experience but at the same time it

1291
01:10:56,791 --> 01:10:58,875
was really frustrating and like we're
almost there.

1292
01:10:58,875 --> 01:11:01,375
Why can't we just get across the line and
buy this thing?

1293
01:11:01,625 --> 01:11:03,166
And that was the frustrating part of that.

1294
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I was like, no, we just have black, gray
and white.

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Whereas the Tesla was also a good
experience.

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The car itself.

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was like 90% of what she wanted, but she
could get one quickly and she had multiple

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color options.

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But with the Mercedes thing was such a
more struggled or such a greater struggle

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to get the car she truly wants.

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So with that, I wanna wrap this up and I
hope you guys tune in next week for our

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one-to-one interview because it'll be a
really exciting and a fun one.

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But with that, thank you for listening and
talk soon.