WEBVTT 00:00:00.490 --> 00:00:04.360 Matt Abrahams: Curiosity and chemistry are critical to successful communication. 00:00:04.689 --> 00:00:07.710 My name's Matt Abrahams, and I teach Strategic Communication at 00:00:07.710 --> 00:00:09.510 Stanford Graduate School of Business. 00:00:09.700 --> 00:00:12.829 Welcome to Think Fast, Talk Smart, the podcast. 00:00:17.582 --> 00:00:19.732 Today I'm excited to speak with Nayeema Raza. 00:00:20.062 --> 00:00:22.612 Nayeema is a journalist, producer, and creator. 00:00:22.972 --> 00:00:27.232 She was the co-host and executive producer of the hit podcast On with Kara Swisher. 00:00:27.681 --> 00:00:31.311 She now hosts her own podcast, Smart Girl, Dumb Questions. 00:00:31.582 --> 00:00:34.901 Her work has appeared in The New York Times and New York Magazine, and 00:00:34.902 --> 00:00:38.731 she's produced documentary films that bridge complex geopolitical issues 00:00:38.732 --> 00:00:40.732 with accessible human narratives. 00:00:41.162 --> 00:00:43.861 Nayeema, thank you for being here, and welcome to the 00:00:43.871 --> 00:00:45.521 Spotify Studios in New York. 00:00:45.531 --> 00:00:48.371 It's awesome to be with you and continue the conversations we've had 00:00:48.371 --> 00:00:50.162 on the phone and on email, in person. 00:00:50.551 --> 00:00:51.701 Nayeema Raza: Thank you so much for having me. 00:00:51.701 --> 00:00:54.702 I love your show, and I'm so thrilled to be part of it. 00:00:54.742 --> 00:00:55.272 Matt Abrahams: Excellent. 00:00:55.272 --> 00:00:55.961 Shall we get started? 00:00:55.971 --> 00:00:57.071 Nayeema Raza: Yes, let's jump in. 00:00:57.402 --> 00:01:00.332 Matt Abrahams: So if you look at your career from management 00:01:00.332 --> 00:01:04.882 consultant to journalist to podcast, uh, you've changed a lot. 00:01:04.961 --> 00:01:06.592 Nayeema Raza: Yes, and you missed documentary filmmaking. 00:01:06.602 --> 00:01:07.192 Matt Abrahams: I did. 00:01:07.231 --> 00:01:07.661 I did. 00:01:07.711 --> 00:01:08.312 That's true. 00:01:08.352 --> 00:01:09.841 That's true, and now TED speaker. 00:01:09.852 --> 00:01:11.892 Nayeema Raza: Yes, and for people listening, I'm not old. 00:01:11.892 --> 00:01:13.982 I just want you to know that I'm young still. 00:01:14.332 --> 00:01:14.571 Matt Abrahams: That's right. 00:01:14.582 --> 00:01:16.301 You're very young and very hip. 00:01:16.841 --> 00:01:21.851 Uh, in all of those roles actually, you've had to synthesize complex information 00:01:21.851 --> 00:01:23.192 and make it accessible to people. 00:01:23.471 --> 00:01:27.292 What kind of tools and frameworks do you use to help make that 00:01:27.292 --> 00:01:29.271 content easily understood? 00:01:29.461 --> 00:01:31.922 Nayeema Raza: So much of it has to do with how I grew up. 00:01:32.232 --> 00:01:35.181 I grew up in Indonesia and Sudan. 00:01:35.491 --> 00:01:36.981 I'm Pakistani, born in DC. 00:01:37.372 --> 00:01:39.752 My entire life I've been what's called, the technical 00:01:39.752 --> 00:01:41.301 term, is a third culture kid. 00:01:41.821 --> 00:01:45.811 Um, in environments where I didn't necessarily always speak the language, 00:01:46.271 --> 00:01:50.511 didn't always, and so I learned to speak body language and read what was happening, 00:01:50.521 --> 00:01:55.218 and I think sometimes we get caught up in the details of a moment, but when I'm 00:01:55.218 --> 00:02:00.778 making a film or a podcast or telling a story or making a slide, I think part 00:02:00.778 --> 00:02:05.478 of the gift of how I grew up is being able to focus on that big picture and 00:02:05.507 --> 00:02:09.368 think about what the message is that's coming across, both as I'm receiving 00:02:09.368 --> 00:02:11.328 it and as I'm kind of projecting it. 00:02:11.428 --> 00:02:14.648 Matt Abrahams: One of the things I have found so useful in the way 00:02:14.648 --> 00:02:17.458 you communicate and break things down is you make it relevant. 00:02:17.458 --> 00:02:21.807 So you connect it to the people who are listening, which I think really helps. 00:02:22.477 --> 00:02:25.437 Do you do that consciously, or is that just something that happens? 00:02:25.668 --> 00:02:27.538 Nayeema Raza: I think that it's, it's something that I've become 00:02:27.538 --> 00:02:29.297 conscious of and I do increasingly. 00:02:29.308 --> 00:02:33.768 So I think that, that my kind of superpower as a communicator is 00:02:33.768 --> 00:02:38.418 the ability to bring some levity to topics of gravity and to bring 00:02:38.418 --> 00:02:40.407 some gravity to topics of levity. 00:02:40.637 --> 00:02:44.357 And what I mean by that is, you know, if you're talking about the world 00:02:44.357 --> 00:02:49.327 today, politics, war, et cetera, oh my God, it can be such a bummer. 00:02:49.697 --> 00:02:54.097 And you just want to have a little bit of sense that the world continues, 00:02:54.107 --> 00:02:57.967 that ,we and so I think infusing some comedy into that and some levity into 00:02:57.967 --> 00:03:02.087 that while, you know, not discounting the, the gravity of the situation. 00:03:02.127 --> 00:03:04.937 One of, I think, the, uh, best ways that I've learned to condense 00:03:04.938 --> 00:03:07.898 information is in the business of headline writing which is a very 00:03:08.148 --> 00:03:10.798 fraught enterprise these these days. 00:03:11.168 --> 00:03:15.007 But you want to write a headline when you're writing at The New 00:03:15.008 --> 00:03:17.527 York Times or elsewhere, and we have a lot of conversation about 00:03:17.527 --> 00:03:18.517 what the headline should be. 00:03:18.787 --> 00:03:21.327 You want it to grab people's attention, but you want it 00:03:21.377 --> 00:03:23.017 to be faithful to the story. 00:03:23.347 --> 00:03:27.317 You, I don't think, want it to be polarizing, but you do 00:03:27.317 --> 00:03:28.817 want it to be provocative. 00:03:29.078 --> 00:03:34.197 And so I think as I started doing a lot of headline writing, I decided that 00:03:34.197 --> 00:03:38.467 the best questions I've ever been asked in my life are nine words or less. 00:03:38.937 --> 00:03:39.687 Matt Abrahams: Interesting. 00:03:40.307 --> 00:03:43.547 Nayeema Raza: And I think that's the same, because if you think about conversation 00:03:43.557 --> 00:03:46.067 or you have, someone's cutting through, like right now and blah, blah, blah, 00:03:46.067 --> 00:03:51.210 you're hearing this, then I say, "How do we solve that?" That's what you hear. 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:52.180 That's what we digest. 00:03:52.200 --> 00:03:57.500 So I think there's something about this punchy, direct question that can 00:03:57.510 --> 00:03:58.860 really help cut through the noise. 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.170 Sometimes you're asking that to somebody 'cause you're interviewing them. 00:04:01.350 --> 00:04:04.340 Sometimes you're asking that to yourself to get yourself to be a 00:04:04.340 --> 00:04:08.350 better communicator and understander and interpreter of what's going on. 00:04:08.679 --> 00:04:12.479 Matt Abrahams: I really like this idea of thinking about your important 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:13.670 communication as a headline. 00:04:13.679 --> 00:04:16.800 Now, most of us aren't writing headlines for news outlets. 00:04:17.190 --> 00:04:20.269 But we do write emails with subject lines. 00:04:20.269 --> 00:04:22.009 We do name our meetings. 00:04:22.009 --> 00:04:27.199 We do put titles on slides, and that advice, I think, applies there as well. 00:04:27.269 --> 00:04:32.380 And if, and keeping, I'm gonna try the nine-word rule and see if, if we 00:04:32.380 --> 00:04:36.680 can, if that applies in the work I do, but I, I absolutely like that idea. 00:04:36.710 --> 00:04:38.809 Nayeema Raza: I think it's particularly useful for questions. 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:40.579 Particularly useful for questions. 00:04:40.609 --> 00:04:40.639 Matt Abrahams: Yes. 00:04:40.649 --> 00:04:44.269 It's thinking about the emotion as well as the content and breaking it 00:04:44.269 --> 00:04:47.009 down, and those are all, I think, the right ingredients for helping make 00:04:47.359 --> 00:04:49.300 complex information more accessible. 00:04:49.300 --> 00:04:51.639 And, and I appreciate that you do that and continue to do that. 00:04:52.649 --> 00:04:54.850 We'll be right back to finish our conversation. 00:04:54.899 --> 00:04:57.329 But first, a quick word from one of our sponsors. 00:04:57.380 --> 00:05:00.510 Their support allows us to bring you this show free of charge. 00:05:01.142 --> 00:05:03.592 One of my favorite things about this show is hearing from 00:05:03.592 --> 00:05:05.051 listeners all over the world. 00:05:05.431 --> 00:05:09.262 Communication connects us, and the more people you can communicate 00:05:09.262 --> 00:05:11.582 with, the bigger your world becomes. 00:05:11.661 --> 00:05:15.762 So many of you are collaborating internationally, working across cultures, 00:05:15.901 --> 00:05:19.001 or simply trying to connect more deeply with people around the world. 00:05:19.092 --> 00:05:23.032 That's one reason I've been thinking more and more about language learning. 00:05:23.092 --> 00:05:27.342 Babbel focuses on helping you have real conversations with real people, 00:05:27.541 --> 00:05:29.411 not just memorized vocabulary. 00:05:29.741 --> 00:05:33.332 Their lessons are designed by more than 200 language experts and built 00:05:33.332 --> 00:05:38.082 around practical communication skills you can actually use in everyday life. 00:05:38.591 --> 00:05:41.241 And because the lessons are short and approachable, it's easy to 00:05:41.241 --> 00:05:43.211 fit them in a busy schedule. 00:05:43.631 --> 00:05:46.851 Just 10 minutes a day can help you make meaningful progress. 00:05:47.261 --> 00:05:49.892 If you've ever thought about learning a new language, this is 00:05:49.892 --> 00:05:51.991 the perfect opportunity to start. 00:05:52.401 --> 00:06:00.251 Right now, babbel is offering up to 60% off your subscription at babbel.com/tfts. 00:06:00.582 --> 00:06:02.511 And now, back to our conversation. 00:06:03.471 --> 00:06:07.581 A lot of your roles have been roles as translator in some ways, translating 00:06:07.612 --> 00:06:12.381 technical information, uh, translating for the audience for, for a performer, 00:06:12.381 --> 00:06:16.752 and you've, you've been in the position often of being a translator for Gen Z and 00:06:16.761 --> 00:06:19.082 millennials, for folks of my generation. 00:06:20.202 --> 00:06:22.271 Do you, do you like that role? 00:06:22.271 --> 00:06:24.341 Do you have certain things you bring to that role? 00:06:24.371 --> 00:06:26.311 Nayeema Raza: I mean, I think every type of communication is 00:06:26.311 --> 00:06:29.531 a moment of translation as well. 00:06:29.561 --> 00:06:32.601 I mean, I think now that I'm in the host seat and kind of star 00:06:32.601 --> 00:06:35.691 of my own show I still think of myself as being the advocate. 00:06:35.701 --> 00:06:39.972 Even the title, Smart Girl, Dumb Questions, it's around the kind 00:06:39.972 --> 00:06:41.951 of confidence to be curious. 00:06:42.291 --> 00:06:45.351 And I, I think about that a lot, Matt, with your work, because you write a 00:06:45.352 --> 00:06:49.451 lot about confidence and the ability to communicate from that position. 00:06:49.901 --> 00:06:54.222 But I think we have conflated confidence and certainty a little bit. 00:06:54.252 --> 00:06:54.671 Matt Abrahams: Ah. 00:06:55.032 --> 00:06:55.741 Tell me more about that. 00:06:56.102 --> 00:07:00.111 Nayeema Raza: You wanna be confident enough that there is some space left in 00:07:00.111 --> 00:07:05.731 your opinion to consider how other people think to consider new information, and to 00:07:05.732 --> 00:07:10.272 digest that and, and kind of update your own worldview with that new information. 00:07:10.562 --> 00:07:14.761 Not so confident in your opinion that you cannot hear anything else, that you 00:07:14.831 --> 00:07:19.912 shut down the kind of first, and so I, I think, you know, I, like I said in the TED 00:07:19.912 --> 00:07:22.871 Talk I just gave, it's like the dumbest thing you can be an, is a know-it-all, 00:07:22.901 --> 00:07:24.191 and I have seen that play out. 00:07:24.392 --> 00:07:27.851 Matt Abrahams: You make a really useful distinction there between 00:07:27.881 --> 00:07:32.181 confidence we have in our ability to communicate and confidence in 00:07:32.192 --> 00:07:33.821 the things we are communicating. 00:07:34.081 --> 00:07:37.701 And I absolutely agree that that confidence in what we're saying, 00:07:38.201 --> 00:07:41.262 there needs to be some room for creativity, for openness. 00:07:41.291 --> 00:07:45.291 Because if we're, if we're sure of ourselves so much that we don't 00:07:45.291 --> 00:07:48.512 bring in other opinions, you know, then we are being, as you said, 00:07:48.522 --> 00:07:50.712 dumb and being a know-it-all. 00:07:51.251 --> 00:07:56.222 So, uh, I'm, I'm curious, you certainly are confident in your opinions and ideas. 00:07:56.481 --> 00:07:58.502 Do you still get nervous when you interview people 00:07:58.502 --> 00:07:59.651 and when you're interacting? 00:07:59.651 --> 00:08:01.181 And if so, how do you manage that? 00:08:01.462 --> 00:08:02.761 Nayeema Raza: No, I, of course I do. 00:08:03.011 --> 00:08:03.372 Do you? 00:08:03.481 --> 00:08:04.042 Matt Abrahams: Of course. 00:08:04.051 --> 00:08:04.071 Yeah. 00:08:04.081 --> 00:08:04.241 Nayeema Raza: Yes. 00:08:04.722 --> 00:08:09.311 I mean, I think it's, you're nervous because anytime you film or make 00:08:09.311 --> 00:08:11.961 something, and I learned this as a documentary filmmaker when I was doing 00:08:12.182 --> 00:08:17.011 this, this, uh, film on the band Sublime at Tribeca in 2019, like when you're in 00:08:17.021 --> 00:08:19.332 the edit room and you're, and you're, you ask the editor, "Well, why don't 00:08:19.332 --> 00:08:22.201 we have that?" And it's like, "Well, because you didn't get it while you were 00:08:22.201 --> 00:08:26.041 producing the…" So it's that scarcity of time when you're in conversation 00:08:26.041 --> 00:08:27.362 with someone that puts the pressure on. 00:08:27.362 --> 00:08:28.762 It's not who they are. 00:08:28.762 --> 00:08:32.521 I actually don't, I actually, I think I give more reverence on my show 00:08:32.531 --> 00:08:35.881 when I interview two 11-year-olds or two doormen than when I interview 00:08:35.901 --> 00:08:37.451 Neil deGrasse Tyson or Mark Cuban. 00:08:37.511 --> 00:08:40.891 But I get nervous about how little time there is and whether I can 00:08:40.901 --> 00:08:43.051 do everything that I wanna do. 00:08:43.261 --> 00:08:43.821 That's what. 00:08:44.182 --> 00:08:47.732 Matt Abrahams: I, I feel that same way when, especially in this capacity, is 00:08:48.031 --> 00:08:51.991 people are gifting you their time and I wanna, I, I get nervous that I'm 00:08:51.991 --> 00:08:55.151 not going to make it a good experience for them or get as much out of it. 00:08:55.661 --> 00:08:58.841 Nayeema Raza: But I try, I think it's, uh, you're doing an amazing, amazing job. 00:08:58.851 --> 00:09:01.931 I feel very much like this is worthwhile use of time and hope everyone 00:09:01.931 --> 00:09:03.041 listening and watching does too. 00:09:03.622 --> 00:09:07.750 I, I think, um- people really wanna be understood. 00:09:08.160 --> 00:09:12.730 Part of the gift that we have as hosts is helping understand people. 00:09:12.819 --> 00:09:15.160 Sometimes people don't necessarily fully understand themselves, and you're 00:09:15.160 --> 00:09:16.600 kind of unpacking and translating that. 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:20.429 But I, I think if you enter in the conversation in good faith and 00:09:20.430 --> 00:09:23.589 you're really trying to understand someone, then the conversation is 00:09:23.610 --> 00:09:25.439 often, if not always, a success. 00:09:25.649 --> 00:09:29.470 Matt Abrahams: And it, it's that approach that I think can help calm some of those 00:09:29.470 --> 00:09:33.039 nerves, knowing that I'm here to really listen, to allow the person to be heard. 00:09:33.579 --> 00:09:36.339 It, when you get out of yourself and realize you're in service of other 00:09:36.339 --> 00:09:38.569 people it can really reduce that anxiety. 00:09:38.780 --> 00:09:41.159 Nayeema Raza: By the way, every time I stop recording, I'm always like, "That 00:09:41.160 --> 00:09:42.899 was terrible." Doesn't matter what I do. 00:09:42.899 --> 00:09:45.620 Do you have that, or do you have more confidence on the other end? 00:09:46.259 --> 00:09:47.479 Matt Abrahams: Interesting. 00:09:47.479 --> 00:09:50.199 I, I do have that, I don't think that was terrible. 00:09:50.229 --> 00:09:52.060 I think, "That could've been better." 00:09:52.339 --> 00:09:52.619 Nayeema Raza: Yes. 00:09:52.620 --> 00:09:54.179 That's, that's actually what I should say. 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:55.489 I don't think it was terrible. 00:09:55.489 --> 00:09:55.869 Matt Abrahams: Yeah. 00:09:55.869 --> 00:09:59.290 It's like, I'm just, "Oh, that, that, that could've been better." And, and not on 00:09:59.290 --> 00:10:00.899 the guest part, but it's usually my part. 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:03.519 It's like, "I could've done this," or, "I should've done that." Yeah, I, uh, 00:10:03.729 --> 00:10:06.599 I have a friend who talks about how we shouldn't should all over ourselves. 00:10:06.959 --> 00:10:09.349 And, and I, I unfortunately still do. 00:10:09.379 --> 00:10:12.819 Nayeema Raza: It's just your ability to be in the moment is, 00:10:12.849 --> 00:10:14.099 is just difficult for all of us. 00:10:14.180 --> 00:10:15.080 Matt Abrahams: No, absolutely. 00:10:15.089 --> 00:10:17.779 But when you can get in that present moment when you can be in service 00:10:17.780 --> 00:10:22.009 of others, I think the, the anxiety abates, the confidence builds. 00:10:22.180 --> 00:10:24.100 Nayeema Raza: But that's where I think preparation and the right 00:10:24.100 --> 00:10:26.669 amount of preparation is so important because I have found that 00:10:26.739 --> 00:10:28.540 I'm, I do really well with improv. 00:10:28.699 --> 00:10:29.599 I host, uh, a debate sometimes 00:10:32.500 --> 00:10:35.119 at the Comedy Cellar in New York City for Open to Debate on NPR. 00:10:35.469 --> 00:10:39.579 And I love that environment because when you have, you know, an intellectual 00:10:39.579 --> 00:10:42.669 threesome, uh, with two people on stage fighting with each other or sparring 00:10:42.669 --> 00:10:44.679 with each other and you're moderating, you never know what's gonna happen. 00:10:44.689 --> 00:10:47.104 Matt Abrahams: I like the idea of an intellectual throuple, but okay, yes. 00:10:47.104 --> 00:10:47.719 Nayeema Raza: Exactly, intellectual throuple. 00:10:49.229 --> 00:10:53.490 So I think I like to be prepared enough that I have a map, and then 00:10:53.629 --> 00:10:55.529 absolutely prepared to throw it away. 00:10:55.539 --> 00:10:59.459 And I find when I'm overprepared and I have a script, it really doesn't serve. 00:10:59.579 --> 00:11:01.429 If, if it's like 30 questions, it doesn't serve me. 00:11:01.429 --> 00:11:02.809 If it's 10, it's perfect. 00:11:02.989 --> 00:11:03.419 Matt Abrahams: Right. 00:11:03.499 --> 00:11:04.189 Absolutely. 00:11:04.239 --> 00:11:07.720 I, uh, the, a lot of the work I've done around spontaneous speaking 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:09.799 is preparing to be spontaneous. 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.490 There's a whole bunch of stuff we can do, as you're talking about. 00:11:13.109 --> 00:11:16.199 And there's that sweet spot where it's just enough to give you the 00:11:16.220 --> 00:11:20.169 confidence and the directionality, but not so much that it's scripted. 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:23.989 And, and finding that, everybody has to find their own sweet spot for that. 00:11:23.989 --> 00:11:25.489 But once you do, it really helps. 00:11:26.199 --> 00:11:29.919 You left your roles at The New York Times and Vox, which are two traditional media 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:31.939 examples, uh, to strike out on your own. 00:11:32.330 --> 00:11:37.609 Uh, I'm curious to get your thoughts as a creator, uh, in what's different, 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.529 uh, doing the work you do as an individual creator wor- versus working 00:11:41.530 --> 00:11:43.670 for a more traditional media outlet? 00:11:44.558 --> 00:11:44.928 Nayeema Raza: Yeah. 00:11:45.028 --> 00:11:47.128 A lot more risk, a lot more reward. 00:11:47.368 --> 00:11:49.848 That's the simple, uh, headline of it. 00:11:50.438 --> 00:11:51.388 Matt Abrahams: And a lot of work. 00:11:51.488 --> 00:11:52.268 Nayeema Raza: A lot of work. 00:11:52.268 --> 00:11:55.828 I think the hardest thing has been you care so much about your own thing. 00:11:55.828 --> 00:11:57.547 I cared so much about other people's things. 00:11:57.548 --> 00:11:59.048 I cared about Sway at The New York Times. 00:11:59.048 --> 00:12:02.407 I cared about On with Kara Swisher, and I, and I cared about Mixed Signals, 00:12:02.407 --> 00:12:06.197 which I co-hosted at Semafor with Ben Smith, um, my former colleague 00:12:06.208 --> 00:12:07.608 from The New York Times as well. 00:12:07.608 --> 00:12:14.037 But it's a gift to be able to put all that care into something that you 00:12:14.038 --> 00:12:17.207 want to build and you think deserves to be in the world, and then the 00:12:17.207 --> 00:12:20.158 challenge becomes finding other people who care about it as much as you do. 00:12:20.817 --> 00:12:25.268 Um, I have a great team, so I have found that in people like Desta, 00:12:25.268 --> 00:12:28.778 my producer, uh, Melissa, Johnny Simon, who engineers our content. 00:12:28.788 --> 00:12:31.947 I mean, I, I found people who really care, uh, about it. 00:12:31.957 --> 00:12:34.028 So much so that sometimes I'll be like, "Can we get this out early?" 00:12:34.028 --> 00:12:36.837 And they're like, "It's not gonna be as good." And I appreciate that they, 00:12:36.837 --> 00:12:37.617 Matt Abrahams: Yeah, that feedback. 00:12:37.637 --> 00:12:39.147 Nayeema Raza: That feedback loop or, you know. 00:12:39.637 --> 00:12:47.497 Um, but I think, okay, this is a very hard question for me because I also 00:12:47.497 --> 00:12:50.467 worry about a world in which we're all just broadcasting and projecting, 00:12:50.548 --> 00:12:51.728 and everyone has their own channels. 00:12:51.728 --> 00:12:53.517 And everyone has to be a creator, and everyone, and 00:12:53.528 --> 00:12:54.737 that's what we're being told now. 00:12:54.737 --> 00:12:57.338 It's like, well, what does eight billion channels look like, and 00:12:57.447 --> 00:12:58.627 who the heck is left to watch? 00:12:58.647 --> 00:13:01.898 No wonder everything matters but only in the first second, you know? 00:13:02.338 --> 00:13:04.138 Um, so I think about it a lot. 00:13:04.138 --> 00:13:08.088 I think I only did this show because I felt I had something to say or, 00:13:08.088 --> 00:13:09.907 or a, not even something to say. 00:13:09.907 --> 00:13:13.458 I felt I had a tone that I didn't find in the world. 00:13:13.937 --> 00:13:14.607 Matt Abrahams: Oh, interesting. 00:13:14.738 --> 00:13:17.468 Nayeema Raza: I, I felt that I found people who were very angry, who were 00:13:17.468 --> 00:13:22.537 very certain, who were very unplugged, disinterested, but I wasn't finding 00:13:22.537 --> 00:13:26.158 that intersection of, okay, I wanna be informed and, about the world and 00:13:26.158 --> 00:13:29.917 thoughtful about not the day-to-day news, but these big ideas, capitalism, 00:13:29.918 --> 00:13:33.497 hyperindependence, individualization, the shifting world order. 00:13:33.787 --> 00:13:36.197 And I wanna talk about it in ways that really impact my own life, and 00:13:36.197 --> 00:13:37.487 I wanna do it with a sense of comedy. 00:13:37.488 --> 00:13:39.908 And the best thing I could find was comedians who would do this. 00:13:40.428 --> 00:13:46.787 But you know, I think there is a, a missing middle of can you be much more 00:13:46.787 --> 00:13:50.167 entertaining than legacy media, much more factual than the average kind of 00:13:50.177 --> 00:13:57.897 podcast bro or chick, and, you know, more useful than yesterday's news? 00:13:59.082 --> 00:14:03.552 Matt Abrahams: The, the purpose-driven approach is, stands out in, in what you 00:14:03.552 --> 00:14:06.982 just said, is, is it's not just about getting information out, it's having 00:14:06.982 --> 00:14:08.601 a purpose behind that information. 00:14:09.002 --> 00:14:13.211 I have worked very hard on thinking about the purpose of this show, and 00:14:13.212 --> 00:14:14.861 you've clearly thought about yours. 00:14:14.861 --> 00:14:19.892 And I think part of the advice I would give to anybody who starts down this 00:14:19.902 --> 00:14:23.091 path of being a creator is really know your purpose, really figure 00:14:23.092 --> 00:14:27.021 out what's motivating you 'cause it's hard work, and that purpose can 00:14:27.022 --> 00:14:28.342 really get you through some of that. 00:14:28.632 --> 00:14:32.372 I want to give you an opportunity to talk about your TED Talk that just came out. 00:14:32.411 --> 00:14:35.951 It was, it's, it's very brief, but very effective. 00:14:36.691 --> 00:14:40.651 Talk to us about the, the idea of being curious in the modern age. 00:14:40.911 --> 00:14:43.281 Nayeema Raza: One, it was such a honor and privilege to be 00:14:43.281 --> 00:14:44.251 invited to give a TED Talk. 00:14:44.252 --> 00:14:45.271 I wasn't expecting it. 00:14:45.281 --> 00:14:48.521 I'd done something at the Comedy Cellar, and, um, some of the 00:14:48.522 --> 00:14:52.371 editors at TED and Ignite were there and asked me to do this talk. 00:14:53.311 --> 00:14:57.841 I wanted to give a voice to two 11-year-olds I'd interviewed on my show. 00:14:58.191 --> 00:15:02.451 And I had asked them, "How does life on screens feel different to real 00:15:02.452 --> 00:15:04.871 life?" Because I keep seeing kids, I don't have kids yet, but I see 00:15:04.871 --> 00:15:08.851 kids at airports, et cetera, just on FaceTime not speaking to each other. 00:15:08.981 --> 00:15:09.502 Have you seen this? 00:15:09.541 --> 00:15:09.881 Matt Abrahams: Yes. 00:15:11.182 --> 00:15:11.202 Nayeema Raza: Yeah. 00:15:11.352 --> 00:15:15.511 So I asked them why that happens and how that feels different to real life. 00:15:16.422 --> 00:15:21.122 And Sophie, then 11, now 12, says "You know, it just feels so much 00:15:21.122 --> 00:15:25.341 more together when you're with them on FaceTime." That blew my mind. 00:15:25.611 --> 00:15:26.562 And I said, "What do you mean? 00:15:26.572 --> 00:15:29.852 Like, even more than real life?" And Sophie responds, "Yeah, 00:15:29.852 --> 00:15:31.542 because when you're on FaceTime, you're doing stuff together. 00:15:31.542 --> 00:15:32.271 You're playing together. 00:15:32.272 --> 00:15:33.111 You're doing homework together. 00:15:33.111 --> 00:15:34.762 You're doing Roblox together. 00:15:35.031 --> 00:15:37.521 But nowadays when you're in real life, everyone's just on their phone." 00:15:38.562 --> 00:15:38.972 Matt Abrahams: Right. 00:15:39.072 --> 00:15:44.021 Nayeema Raza: And I thought that was such an insight that our ability 00:15:44.021 --> 00:15:48.951 to be present in a physical world has been completely distracted by 00:15:48.951 --> 00:15:53.152 these devices, and our ability to be present on them, because they're 00:15:53.182 --> 00:15:55.732 full screen experiences, is gone up. 00:15:56.081 --> 00:15:59.221 And that just made me think a lot about what else we are disconnected 00:15:59.232 --> 00:16:00.422 from, our own curiosities. 00:16:00.462 --> 00:16:01.721 Because we don't sit and wonder. 00:16:01.721 --> 00:16:04.742 We just ask the question and then know the answer, and then project 00:16:04.742 --> 00:16:06.021 that answer out in conversation. 00:16:06.021 --> 00:16:10.091 And so that's really where the talk started from, and, and it 00:16:10.092 --> 00:16:12.281 kind of takes a personal turn of how I learned those lessons. 00:16:12.311 --> 00:16:18.531 But it was a gift to be able to share a little bit about how you, um, think 00:16:18.531 --> 00:16:22.081 and the world works, and also to be able to share those kids' perspectives, 00:16:22.471 --> 00:16:24.692 which really caused a gasp in the room. 00:16:24.812 --> 00:16:25.142 Matt Abrahams: Right. 00:16:25.162 --> 00:16:29.922 And when I, when I watched the talk and heard it, and I'd actually seen your 00:16:29.922 --> 00:16:32.411 interview with them, uh, it, it really is. 00:16:32.441 --> 00:16:37.261 You, you shake your head and go, "What? Wait, hold on." But in that moment, 00:16:37.771 --> 00:16:41.631 it makes you curious, and, and you do a really nice job in the talk of not 00:16:41.631 --> 00:16:45.762 only advocating for the curiosities that you do, but the way in which 00:16:45.762 --> 00:16:48.191 you deliver it makes us curious. 00:16:48.231 --> 00:16:51.761 And it's a nice example, and I encourage everybody to, to watch and listen 00:16:51.761 --> 00:16:57.561 to it, of how delivery reinforces the message in a very positive way. 00:16:58.331 --> 00:16:58.851 Nayeema Raza: 'Cause it's playful. 00:16:59.191 --> 00:17:03.582 Matt Abrahams: Because it's playful, and it's curious, and it, we see ourselves in 00:17:03.582 --> 00:17:07.982 many of the things that you mention, but we don't feel bad about ourselves for it. 00:17:07.991 --> 00:17:10.331 We say, "Oh, okay, that's who I am, but I can do this other thing." 00:17:10.331 --> 00:17:13.351 So it's empowering in a way, and I think a lot of that is not just the 00:17:13.351 --> 00:17:15.191 wordplay, but how you deliver it. 00:17:15.682 --> 00:17:19.662 And, and making content accessible in that way, not just making sure we understand 00:17:19.662 --> 00:17:23.491 it, but making us feel okay about it, I, I thought it was really well done. 00:17:24.581 --> 00:17:25.281 You, you're a great question asker. 00:17:25.281 --> 00:17:26.061 Nayeema Raza: I'm gonna ask you a question. 00:17:26.191 --> 00:17:27.102 Matt Abrahams: Ask me a question. 00:17:27.191 --> 00:17:27.891 Nayeema Raza: Oh my gosh. 00:17:27.892 --> 00:17:28.971 Matt Abrahams: I may or may not answer it, but go ahead. 00:17:29.062 --> 00:17:29.692 Nayeema Raza: Let me ask you. 00:17:30.232 --> 00:17:30.742 Okay. 00:17:31.072 --> 00:17:35.711 I feel as a millennial, life is being co-opted by Gen Z now. 00:17:36.171 --> 00:17:38.151 We love them, and Gen Alpha increasingly. 00:17:38.471 --> 00:17:43.331 And I'm curious how you think about staying relevant as you age. 00:17:44.302 --> 00:17:44.562 Matt Abrahams: Yeah. 00:17:44.562 --> 00:17:49.091 So I think a lot about aging and relevance, uh, as I'm getting older 00:17:49.091 --> 00:17:53.022 and, and as I'm seeing the impact I can have and what it means. 00:17:54.182 --> 00:17:57.171 I think it's all about, to your point, curiosity and listening. 00:17:57.581 --> 00:18:00.032 I, I have an amazing job. 00:18:00.052 --> 00:18:06.151 I get to work with mid-20 folks who are going to just change the world in amazing 00:18:06.151 --> 00:18:09.722 ways, and that helps me feel excited. 00:18:09.952 --> 00:18:11.461 It helps me feel relevant. 00:18:11.831 --> 00:18:16.801 And a lot of what I do is listen, I'm curious, and ask questions, and those 00:18:16.811 --> 00:18:18.961 help me feel like I'm adding value. 00:18:18.962 --> 00:18:23.432 When, when I get the opportunity to, to work with my students or, or younger 00:18:23.432 --> 00:18:28.101 people and, and really listen, synthesize, and ask questions, that really brings 00:18:28.101 --> 00:18:30.451 joy to me and hopefully relevance. 00:18:30.732 --> 00:18:32.231 Nayeema Raza: Do you feel like we're losing wisdom? 00:18:33.792 --> 00:18:35.182 Matt Abrahams: I think wisdom is changing. 00:18:35.442 --> 00:18:39.611 I think, uh, the, the fact that so much information is now available 00:18:39.611 --> 00:18:45.452 that the, wisdom and access to information are very connected, but 00:18:45.522 --> 00:18:50.292 lived experience, intuition, gut feeling, that's not captured in an 00:18:50.292 --> 00:18:56.981 LLM, and I, I fear that people are, are just not curious or seeking wisdom. 00:18:56.982 --> 00:18:58.372 They're just seeking information. 00:18:58.372 --> 00:18:59.822 So are we losing it? 00:18:59.822 --> 00:19:00.801 No, I still think it's there. 00:19:00.801 --> 00:19:03.691 I just don't think, I fear that people aren't searching for it. 00:19:04.232 --> 00:19:07.732 Nayeema Raza: That is one of the things I, I worry about. 00:19:07.732 --> 00:19:10.481 In our culture, I think we're very interested in what's new, 00:19:10.492 --> 00:19:11.731 what's fresh, what's cool. 00:19:12.191 --> 00:19:16.421 And I think that, look, I, I don't think, I'm not advocating for a gerontocracy. 00:19:16.562 --> 00:19:20.021 I think that, you know, people who are, you know, boomers and beyond 00:19:20.041 --> 00:19:23.151 probably don't need to be kind of controlling Capitol Hill anymore. 00:19:23.501 --> 00:19:29.561 But I do think that there's a wisdom of that experience that is not being 00:19:29.631 --> 00:19:33.171 translated as much in our current world, and I sometimes worry about that. 00:19:33.172 --> 00:19:33.361 Matt Abrahams: Yeah. 00:19:33.441 --> 00:19:37.651 I, you know, to me, wisdom, there is, wisdom is associated with experience, 00:19:37.652 --> 00:19:40.011 so the older you are, the, in theory, the more wisdom you have. 00:19:40.231 --> 00:19:43.451 But I have met very wise younger people as well. 00:19:43.712 --> 00:19:43.892 Nayeema Raza: Yes. 00:19:43.892 --> 00:19:44.066 Of course. 00:19:44.066 --> 00:19:47.751 Matt Abrahams: And so we, we, I, I think just this notion of being 00:19:47.801 --> 00:19:52.942 open, being curious, listening makes you available to wisdom. 00:19:53.441 --> 00:19:55.992 Uh, and, and some of the most insightful things I've learned, 00:19:56.011 --> 00:19:57.771 like you did, uh, from 11-year-olds. 00:19:57.791 --> 00:20:00.171 I mean, what insight, what wisdom there in that conversation. 00:20:00.172 --> 00:20:01.882 So, well, thank you for asking me a question. 00:20:01.882 --> 00:20:01.962 Nayeema Raza: Thank you. 00:20:02.222 --> 00:20:02.242 Yeah. 00:20:02.242 --> 00:20:02.576 Hope that was okay. 00:20:02.576 --> 00:20:04.911 Matt Abrahams: Uh, you know, there, there is no right, there is no wrong. 00:20:05.901 --> 00:20:09.091 Before we get started, a quick reminder to make sure you're following our show 00:20:09.091 --> 00:20:10.901 in whatever app you're listening to. 00:20:11.321 --> 00:20:13.801 This is the best way to help our show grow and to make sure 00:20:13.801 --> 00:20:15.321 you never miss an episode. 00:20:15.841 --> 00:20:17.492 And now a word from our sponsors. 00:20:17.941 --> 00:20:20.851 Their support helps us bring you the show free of charge. 00:20:21.571 --> 00:20:23.941 Over the course of my career, I've had the privilege of working with 00:20:23.941 --> 00:20:28.401 some truly amazing coaches, and I've also spent years coaching others. 00:20:28.581 --> 00:20:31.981 And I can tell you firsthand, coaching makes a real difference. 00:20:32.312 --> 00:20:35.981 That's why I really appreciate what Strawberry.me is doing. 00:20:36.321 --> 00:20:40.821 Strawberry.me makes coaching more accessible, affordable, and global. 00:20:41.172 --> 00:20:44.561 Whether you want to become a stronger communicator, a more confident leader, 00:20:44.731 --> 00:20:48.131 or simply more intentional in your career, having the right coach in your 00:20:48.131 --> 00:20:50.332 corner can make an enormous difference. 00:20:50.641 --> 00:20:56.632 Visit Strawberry.me/smart and take 50% off of your first session, and make 00:20:56.632 --> 00:20:58.311 sure you let them know Matt sent you. 00:20:58.501 --> 00:21:00.422 And now back to our conversation 00:21:01.460 --> 00:21:04.300 Um, so before we end, I'd like to ask three questions. 00:21:04.300 --> 00:21:06.760 One I make up just for you, and then the other two I've been asking 00:21:06.760 --> 00:21:08.410 everybody as long as the show's been on. 00:21:08.410 --> 00:21:09.520 Are, are you willing to do that? 00:21:09.560 --> 00:21:11.027 Nayeema Raza: Yes, of course. 00:21:11.027 --> 00:21:11.205 Matt Abrahams: Excellent. 00:21:11.205 --> 00:21:12.273 Nayeema Raza: Does that count as a question? 00:21:12.273 --> 00:21:13.223 Matt Abrahams: That, that's a, that's a warmup. 00:21:13.223 --> 00:21:13.543 That's a warmup. 00:21:13.703 --> 00:21:14.779 Nayeema Raza: Don't use one of your three on that. 00:21:14.779 --> 00:21:15.449 Matt Abrahams: Okay, I won't. 00:21:15.539 --> 00:21:17.609 No, it's not like wishes with a genie. 00:21:18.099 --> 00:21:21.610 Um, so, uh, to get very serious, by coincidence, the day we are 00:21:21.610 --> 00:21:24.720 recording, uh, is the anniversary of your father's passing. 00:21:25.070 --> 00:21:27.629 Uh, you wrote a very touching and personal article in The New 00:21:27.630 --> 00:21:29.169 York Times about your father. 00:21:29.560 --> 00:21:33.499 Uh, what is one lesson you wish people would take away from your, 00:21:33.509 --> 00:21:35.649 your father's life and his wisdom? 00:21:36.970 --> 00:21:39.660 Nayeema Raza: Uh, thank you for asking and for bringing him up and 00:21:39.660 --> 00:21:41.310 helping me remember him on this day. 00:21:41.770 --> 00:21:42.390 I'll give you two. 00:21:42.390 --> 00:21:45.630 One is from my dad, and one is from what I've learned from, from 00:21:45.630 --> 00:21:46.800 the experience of losing him. 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.650 I think the, the lesson I learned from my dad really was to, uh, 00:21:52.580 --> 00:21:57.039 to be present and to not let the other, may I swear for a second? 00:21:57.039 --> 00:21:57.750 Matt Abrahams: You can. 00:21:57.750 --> 00:21:59.149 Nayeema Raza: The other shit get in the way. 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:01.680 He, my dad, was the kind of guy who never held a grudge. 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.889 Literally, somebody would be upset with him and not wanting to talk to him, 00:22:04.890 --> 00:22:08.589 and my dad would call his brother every Sunday to ask how he's doing, and, 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:09.980 and he would wear you down, you know? 00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:13.859 He really didn't believe in holding a grudge because at the end of the day, he 00:22:13.860 --> 00:22:17.519 would say, "Well, what am I gonna do? He's my brother. He's my friend," you know? 00:22:17.750 --> 00:22:22.340 And he had that ability to, in a world where I think we're often think 00:22:22.340 --> 00:22:25.090 we don't, we want to cut people out of our life because of how they feel 00:22:25.090 --> 00:22:27.759 about an opinion politically, how they feel about something, how they 00:22:27.980 --> 00:22:30.889 showed up on that random Tuesday when we had something important. 00:22:31.699 --> 00:22:36.109 He had that ability to really hold people's slander and, and, um, 00:22:36.570 --> 00:22:41.019 and to maintain relationships, uh, and, and give great forgiveness. 00:22:41.029 --> 00:22:42.190 So that's what I've, I've learned. 00:22:42.539 --> 00:22:46.429 And how I translate that lesson and think into my own life is that when you lose 00:22:46.429 --> 00:22:50.229 someone, it's often possible to get caught up in I should have, and as your friend 00:22:50.229 --> 00:22:52.139 said, you know, should all over yourself. 00:22:52.169 --> 00:22:58.339 Um, and I think that because he lived that way, I've been able to, uh, release 00:22:58.349 --> 00:23:01.229 some of the, you know, oh, I should have, you know, in the pandemic, why didn't 00:23:01.230 --> 00:23:04.170 I go quarantine at my parents' house instead of going out with friends who, 00:23:04.389 --> 00:23:06.879 you know, all of that kind of, of stuff. 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:10.849 And I've learned that you really kind of have the ability to keep people alive and 00:23:10.849 --> 00:23:15.819 to keep having memories and meaning-making in relationships that are gone. 00:23:17.009 --> 00:23:17.790 Matt Abrahams: That's so true. 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:22.299 We, we can keep the memory of people alive through how we talk about them and 00:23:22.299 --> 00:23:23.789 the meaning we make in our own lives. 00:23:23.789 --> 00:23:26.859 Thank you for sharing that, and thank you for being here on a tough day. 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.359 Uh, question number two, who's a communicator you admire and why? 00:23:31.369 --> 00:23:31.379 Nayeema Raza: Oh. 00:23:31.999 --> 00:23:33.759 You know, I think Kendrick Lamar. 00:23:34.069 --> 00:23:34.809 Matt Abrahams: Tell me more about that. 00:23:34.809 --> 00:23:35.689 Nayeema Raza: Have people said Kendrick before on this show? 00:23:35.689 --> 00:23:37.480 Matt Abrahams: You are the first to say Kendrick Lamar. 00:23:37.539 --> 00:23:40.029 Nayeema Raza: I think that he's just so poetic. 00:23:40.149 --> 00:23:43.199 His lyrics are really spot on. 00:23:43.209 --> 00:23:44.059 They're catchy. 00:23:44.059 --> 00:23:48.009 I think this about a lot of, like, kind of rapper-songwriters, but the ability to 00:23:48.020 --> 00:23:54.379 poetically, succinctly, and emotionally talk about very difficult things, I think 00:23:54.410 --> 00:23:56.989 is reflected in, in Kendrick's work. 00:23:57.479 --> 00:24:02.269 Um, and if you, if you read it, like, I mean, he's kind of like Chekhov, you know? 00:24:02.710 --> 00:24:05.470 Like, if you read it, you find it extremely deep and meaningful. 00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:05.910 Matt Abrahams: Yeah. 00:24:05.910 --> 00:24:06.879 No, absolutely. 00:24:06.910 --> 00:24:13.639 And, and a lot of people don't think about the communicative power of that genre. 00:24:13.689 --> 00:24:15.669 And, and I appreciate you highlighting that. 00:24:16.429 --> 00:24:19.820 Final question, what are the first three ingredients that go into a 00:24:19.820 --> 00:24:21.790 successful communication recipe? 00:24:22.020 --> 00:24:22.659 Nayeema Raza: I love that. 00:24:23.329 --> 00:24:26.720 Um, you know I'm gonna say it's on brand, but number one, curiosity. 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:31.250 Um, number two, chemistry. 00:24:34.100 --> 00:24:39.094 Being able to cultivate, create, and, and, um, create that chemistry with, through 00:24:39.114 --> 00:24:42.584 pauses, through play, through jokes, through language, all the ways that you 00:24:42.584 --> 00:24:46.844 can kind of make sure that communication is, you know, at least two-way, if not 00:24:47.184 --> 00:24:49.294 an intellectual throuple or beyond. 00:24:49.644 --> 00:24:56.613 Um, and number three, I'm gonna say a sense of what's not in the room, a sense 00:24:56.614 --> 00:25:02.233 of what's missing, so that you can expand a conversation, a communication, so that 00:25:02.614 --> 00:25:06.924 you can leave a conversation and think about how to take it beyond this world 00:25:06.924 --> 00:25:09.384 and, and just can be more aware, I think. 00:25:10.064 --> 00:25:13.573 Matt Abrahams: That last point about awareness about what's not present 00:25:14.213 --> 00:25:18.203 really allows for conversation and communication to expand and extend, 00:25:18.573 --> 00:25:19.923 and I, I think that's really powerful. 00:25:19.923 --> 00:25:23.383 And I, I appreciate the notion of chemistry, connection, building 00:25:23.384 --> 00:25:26.343 that, having that as intention and, and of course, curiosity. 00:25:26.713 --> 00:25:33.454 Well, thank you for your time and for, uh, being so forthright and open and 00:25:33.454 --> 00:25:37.414 sharing with us how we can all be better translators and more curious in our lives. 00:25:37.414 --> 00:25:38.254 I appreciate your time. 00:25:38.334 --> 00:25:38.954 Nayeema Raza: Thank you so much. 00:25:39.053 --> 00:25:40.023 Thank you for having me. 00:25:40.023 --> 00:25:42.433 I've, you know, I love your show, and I love the work that you 00:25:42.434 --> 00:25:43.894 do, and I love how global it is. 00:25:44.074 --> 00:25:47.643 I just want to say you are reaching people all over the world who this is 00:25:47.643 --> 00:25:52.183 a global challenge, and you are doing a great job of helping people succeed 00:25:52.184 --> 00:25:55.373 in their own languages, in English, and just in everything they do, so thank you. 00:25:55.404 --> 00:25:55.833 Matt Abrahams: Well, thank you. 00:25:55.864 --> 00:25:56.863 Best of luck to you as well. 00:25:56.864 --> 00:25:57.204 Nayeema Raza: Thanks. 00:25:57.654 --> 00:25:59.764 Matt Abrahams: Thank you for joining us for another episode of Think 00:25:59.764 --> 00:26:01.613 Fast, Talk Smart, the podcast. 00:26:01.893 --> 00:26:05.193 To hear more interesting and insightful episodes like this one, be sure to check 00:26:05.193 --> 00:26:10.053 out our back catalog of episodes in your favorite player or at fastersmarter.io. 00:26:10.393 --> 00:26:14.944 This episode was produced by Katherine Reed, Ryan Campos, and me, Matt Abrahams. 00:26:15.193 --> 00:26:17.013 Our music is by Floyd Wonder. 00:26:17.143 --> 00:26:20.214 With special thanks to the team at Spotify Studios in New York 00:26:20.214 --> 00:26:22.453 City and Podium Podcast Company. 00:26:22.823 --> 00:26:25.553 Please find us on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. 00:26:26.033 --> 00:26:27.943 Be sure to subscribe and rate us. 00:26:28.103 --> 00:26:31.233 Also, follow us on LinkedIn, TikTok, and Instagram. 00:26:31.553 --> 00:26:35.383 And check out fastersmarter.io for deep dive videos, English language 00:26:35.383 --> 00:26:37.213 learning content, and our newsletter. 00:26:37.724 --> 00:26:40.873 Please consider joining the Think Fast, Talk Smart Learning Community 00:26:40.873 --> 00:26:43.543 at fastersmarter.io/learning. 00:26:43.833 --> 00:26:47.763 You'll find video lessons, learning quests, discussion boards, my AI 00:26:47.813 --> 00:26:49.713 coach, and book club opportunities. 00:26:49.893 --> 00:26:54.583 Again, that's fastersmarter.io/learning to be part of the Think Fast, 00:26:54.594 --> 00:26:56.254 Talk Smart Learning Community