Sinead Whelehan: And so I'm looking and I'm seeing
gradually this mist, which started almost like a
sort of sparkle over this surface the dark green
background of the hedge.
And then it became over a few seconds, I think
the misty filled in misty outline of this very tall
being that was about seven, maybe eight feet tall.
Very thin torso.
Long thin arms, long thin legs.
And I could see everything.
I could see the full detailed outline of the
body, the head, the neck.
Rod Bland: My guest today is Sinéad Whelehan although,
uh, who, although you may not realize it is profoundly
deaf and has experienced paranormal phenomena
since the age of four.
She had her first conscious encounter with the
visitors or as some prefer extraterrestrials in 2017,
and these contact encounters have continued since then.
Sinéad has worked as a research and interview
assistant for the renowned UFO researcher, Grant Cameron for
two years, and is currently assisting Barbara Lamb who
specializes in Q H H T and regression therapy with people
who experience encounters.
Sinéad welcome and thank you so much for
coming on the show.
Sinead Whelehan: Oh, thank you so much for having me, Rod.
I've been looking forward to it.
Rod Bland: Yeah, me too.
Sinéad normally at this point I ask people for
some background about their life before their first
paranormal experience, but since yours started so
early at the age of four.
How about we start there?
Sinead Whelehan: Sure.
This is an experience I had that I didn't think
anything of except that I couldn't forget it.
And it kept coming back into my memory and into my senses
as well, in a way that made me realize that this is
something that had really affected me on some level.
Enough that I remembered it over and over and over again.
And it was almost like, I don't know, there was
just something about it.
There was something about it that I felt like, oh,
I'm supposed to keep my attention on this event and
remember that this happened.
So then years later when I actually very not that long
ago now in 2019, when I met Grant Cameron and I started
talking to him about my experiences and about, what
had very, at that point, very recently happened.
He was the one who said to me hang on a second.
When did you really start having experiences?
And so I thought okay.
You know, I sort of, kind of I backward mapping
my life and it really all started at this point
when I was four years old.
So there were three things that happened that year
that were a big deal.
One of them was that I got my first hearing aid.
I was diagnosed with hearing loss and given
my first hearing aid.
And so my sensory experience of the world became a
lot more interactive, more keen, more vibrant.
And I just felt like my brain woke up on some
level that it had not been quite awake on before.
And then also I became very ill.
And I had scarlet fever and was burning up
with fever, but I felt fantastic and I felt like
I didn't feel sick at all.
I felt actually probably the best I've ever felt.
That's also something I've remembered over and
over again ever since thinking, that really was
an interesting experience because I felt very sharply
aware and very sharply keen.
About everything that was in my environment and every
sensory experience that I was having of my environment,
which was just my bedroom, that it just felt that
much more, I don't know hyper alive, the color,
the textures, the scent, even the sound of quiet.
Cause it was in the middle of the night.
It just was very keen and very sharp and clear to me.
And I felt energized.
I felt like I was very aware very conscious and
very aware of everything.
So that was an interesting experience.
And then the third thing that happened was I, one
night just had this really strong feeling, almost like a
compulsion that I should try sleeping with my feet where my
head usually was and my head, where my feet usually were.
And my father was putting me to bed.
So I remember him thinking, oh, okay, this is a
little bit funny, but all right let's do this.
So he helped me set up my bed and I remember as I was
about to get into the bed and sleep, so called upside
down, I remember feeling there's something about
this doesn't feel good.
Like I feel this sense of apprehension.
It was a little bit of fear, a little bit of
apprehension, and yet I felt compelled no, I have to do
this for whatever reason.
And so I insisted to myself that I sleep like that.
I did not tell my father how I was feeling.
So my father said goodnight to me and he left the room.
And then I was wide awake because I felt very alert,
like there was something going on, and it, the
first thing I noticed was that the atmosphere
in the room changed.
So it became electric and I felt the pressure
in the room changed.
The atmosphere just shifted.
It was different.
And I felt like there was a presence there.
And then what happened was it was the funniest, oddest
experience because it, it felt so real, and I was awake.
I had not fallen asleep.
This was not long after my father left the room.
So there was this being that was behind me, like
I actually felt it and my whole body was tingling.
All the hairs on my arms and on the back of my neck
were standing straight up.
And I was absolutely terrified.
Cause I could feel this being breathing, at
the back of my head.
And the presence of it there, just like as if
there was a real person, a real human being behind me.
It was that clear, that feeling of presence.
And then it started laughing at me and it started fading
out of the wall because my bed was in the corner of the room,
so it was right up against the wall, and I had my back
to the wall at this point.
So at first it felt like this thing, this presence that
felt very alive and aware, and conscious of me and
conscious that I was there and that it was doing this
deliberately for some purpose.
And so then it started laughing at me and I felt like
the laughter was mocking me, and that scared me even more.
But, and so I was rigid with fear.
I was not paralyzed.
This was not sleep paralysis.
I was rigid with fear, but not frozen.
I was able to move.
I was just terrified and finally got my guts together,
so to speak, and turned over really fast to see
if something was there.
Of course, there was nothing there, but I
just knew that what had happened had just happened.
And so I ran downstairs that I had freed myself up from this
being locked into this fear.
And it was a very intense sensory and
auditory experience.
I felt the being fading through the wall, going
outside, but still being able to see me through
the wall as if there was a space in the wall where
I could see through.
That's what I was seeing in my mind.
And then it just floated away into the night
sky still laughing and then just disappeared.
And that's when I was able to have the courage to turn over.
So the only thing that I've ever heard that made any sense
to me about what explained that was actually as a
result of doing the interview with Jeff Mara, which you
saw, or Jeff, the Jeff Mora podcast which you saw.
And someone wrote in the comment that they had
heard of this happening with elementals, that
elementals can have that trickster element where
they'll try to spook you or, get you unsettled.
And it's very mischievous, but they don't mean
any harm by it.
And they will often come through surfaces,
come through walls.
That's very common for them, apparently.
And that they will, say or do things to jolt your reality.
And I come from a Celtic background.
I grew up in a family where my father talked freely with
me about fairies and elves to encourage my imagination
right and to, to give me a feeling of believing in
magic when I was a kid.
But I certainly never imagined seeing fairies
in real life, or elves in real life, or, this was not
something I'd ever said.
So it was only this one and only time that this particular
thing happened, I ran down the stairs to my parents.
It was at nighttime after this happened, right?
Ran down the stairs, told them what happened.
Very scared, and they were like, oh, don't worry.
It's a bad dream.
They thought, of course, that I had fallen asleep and
dreamt that this had happened.
I don't blame them for that.
I would've thought the same thing, but I knew it wasn't.
I knew I had been wide awake and I knew this had occurred.
And sure enough, as soon as I put myself back
in my regular position to sleep, I felt fine.
I felt relaxed.
The atmosphere in the room felt normal and I fell asleep.
I was, 4, kids have active imaginations.
For the longest time, I thought, wow, I had a
really active imagination.
But it really did stick with me in this way that made
me feel like, no, there's something else about that.
There's something, cuz I imagined lots of things very
vividly, but that really stayed with me, through my
teen years, my twenties, my thirties, I revisited it so
many times, and so I knew that it was significant,
but I didn't know why.
It was just this feeling that there's something
about this I need to know.
So I still don't have any answers about it, but I do
feel like that experience somehow broke something
open or made a crack occur in my reality or something.
It just felt like a shift occurred and I remember just
feeling different after that.
I had a different feeling about the world.
I felt like, maybe there are things that we.
Not that we can't see, but there's other things going
on that we don't understand.
Yeah, just having that sense
Rod Bland: It's interesting.
There's two things I thought of when you
mentioned elementals.
I, my skin crawled a little bit.
Cause I thought, whoa, that, that's actually,
that makes a lot of sense.
The other thing that, that let's call it the trickster
reminds me of is when people talk about their
experiences with DMT, with the psychedelic D M T.
And I talk about the machine elves.
And I've had one D M T experience myself and I
encountered these little trickster guys and it's
such a common theme, but it does make me wonder
whether they just have a different emotional makeup.
I've heard people talk about, especially with
visitor experiences where the visitors aren't really
meaning as harm, but some people actually are harmed
and have these horrifying experiences because they just
don't have emotions that work the same as what ours do.
And it just makes me wonder to them it was like they
were just having some fun, but for you it was pretty
terrifying at the time.
Sinead Whelehan: I agree with that.
It makes me think of, this is the analogy, an analogy
I've used before to try to explain that kind of thing.
Perhaps even when it comes to extraterrestrial abduction
situations, although I would never try to define
that experience, cause I've never had that happen.
But I know there are many people who really feel
this has happened to them.
But I imagine it to be something like you take
your animals to the vet, you have pets that you
love and you care for.
And they need to be seen by a vet every once in a while
or by some kind of animal doctor, homeopathic or
whatever your preference is.
And so you need to bring them into this other
place, take them out of the environment that they know,
which is very controlled, for cats especially.
And you take them out of this environment, you put
them into a box and you take them someplace that looks,
smells, and sounds completely unfamiliar, where there's a
whole bunch of sensory input that is really overwhelming.
And then they get poked and prodded.
They're on a long silver table.
There's a lot of white lights, and bright white walls
and huge beings they don't recognize poking at them.
There really is a lot that is similar to what you just
said in terms of people having paranormal experiences.
And of course when we take our animals to the vet,
it's for their good, it's for their best interest.
We wanna take care of them, we wanna make sure they're
healthy, we want them to be looked after properly.
In their experience that's not what's happening necessarily.
They could be completely freaked out feeling like
their space is being invaded or they don't understand
what's going on or whatever.
But we know that this is for their good, yet that's
not their experience.
So to me that is a very common experience with a lot of
people who have paranormal things happen to them,
especially if they appear to be scary or foreboding
or, just in some way dark or whatever you wanna call it.
It is interesting how these things occur because there are
lots of patterns and there are lots of ways in which people's
paranormal experiences are connected across the
world and through history.
Many similarities.
A remarkable number of them actually, through time,
regardless of background, culture, religion, whatever.
At the same time, there's so many in anomalies and
there's so many ways that they come through that are,
very individual for people and very personal for people as
well, which is the part that I find really fascinating.
The personal part, because that to me is what lends
to, what I think personally, this is all about of hu human
evolution, like the evolution of our consciousness.
I don't think that we are our bodies.
I don't think that this is the only life we ever get.
And I think all these experiences are here
for a purpose, just like everything else is here
for a purpose, which is to benefit us in some way if we
are able to make use of it.
And I'm not saying it's all positive, everyone has
different experiences, but for me, it's only been positive.
I've definitely benefited from that and I think a lot
of it has also to do with mindset and perspective.
What we draw towards us.
I think we have some control over that and we have some
choice and decision also with how we address things
that happen to us that we may not be drawing towards us.
We still have a choice with how we respond to that
and what we choose to take from it to grow, right?
I don't know, it just lends to a whole bigger conversation
about, sorry, about what we're doing here and our
purpose on earth and our, the purpose of human life.
Rod Bland: So when you said you were, it was like
you were cracked open.
It sounds to me it's a bit like for all the near death
experiences that I've had on the channel, there's, for the
majority of them, something was opened in a similar way,
and to me it seems almost like you now have access
to get sensory input from different levels of vibration.
The way I think about it now is that, as a general
human experience you can experience things at certain
vibrations, to do with our sight and sound, et cetera.
But there are other different wavelengths of vibration
that we don't have access to that are more in the
non-physical realities.
And it's like somehow you got a tune up, and this is what
happens to people when they have a near death experience,
a lot of 'em get a tune up and now suddenly they are
much more aware of things that the everyday person
is completely blind to.
I think that's what's happened with you.
Does that make sense?
Sinead Whelehan: It does make sense.
Yeah.
I would agree with that for sure.
That's interesting to hear.
It's also interesting to hear how, my story, just like
anyone's story, how it lands from people, because with
anything that we experience, I think there's multiple
ways of looking at it, right?
For some people my story is too far out.
It's just way too far out.
It's too woo, it's too whatever.
That's fine.
I totally understand that.
Other people think this is, exactly like them.
It validates their experience.
They get support by hearing it.
That's wonderful.
But I think, with telling stories, it's not even for
it to be understood and heard and accepted by everyone
because it's just not going to be, it's rather to push
boundaries a little bit, make people a little uncomfortable,
and, also share things that are of value I feel
to other people who I also benefit from when they share.
Like just spreading this kind of conversation and
this kind of thinking because life is about so much more.
It just, it's about a lot more than I ever thought it was.
And I thought that was complete bull.
I really did.
I thought that a lot of things that I have now directly
experienced I thought were complete nonsense and that
wasn't exactly accurate.
Do I completely understand all of it?
No, but it's helpful to me when people like you give
me feedback like that.
It helps me to understand a bit more about what is
landing for other people, what's translating and
then that helps me with digesting my own story too.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Yeah, totally.
So I wanted to get into your ET experiences that
began in 2017, but did you have anything else
paranormal occur after your initial experience at four?
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.
I did and I just didn't realize what they were.
I really was very disconnected from myself and I think
that's common for a lot of people, considering the
conditioning and the messages that we're given in society
and culture about what's okay, what's not okay.
So yes, I did, but nothing that I can say, this was
amazing because for the simple reason that I wasn't really
able to pay attention to them.
But they they landed, I definitely, oh, actually
there is one that I could mention which was between
the ages of nine and 11, I got a whole bunch of, the
best word I can f I have been able to find, to describe
the experience is downloads.
And that was actually huge.
I was wrong.
There were a lot of things that happened
that were impactful.
It's funny how you forget these things sometimes because
there's a lot of trying to figure it all out and it's not
necessarily in a linear way.
Anyway, so when I was nine, about a, about age nine to age
11, I had these many downloads that a lot of which would
happen, most of which would happen in the doorway between
my kitchen, where I would eat breakfast every morning at
the back of the house looking out into our back garden.
That doorway that went from the kitchen
into the living room.
For some reason it would happen in the doorway.
And now I think that's interesting.
Back then, I didn't think anything of it at all.
I just would feel like I had to stop in the
doorway and then I would just get this download.
And it was, in my mind, it looked like a tube of
light, which is weirdly stereotypical, but
honestly, this is what it felt like in my mind.
This tube of light and then this concept that was not
a normal concept for a nine year old to come up with
would just arrive in my mind.
And it was a complete whole concept and I would
completely understand it.
And there was also this experience of there being what
I call, I can't find a better term for this or I haven't
yet front me and back me.
So front me was, nine year old me who had just had
oatmeal for breakfast and was wearing jeans and a t-shirt
and was getting ready to go to school at nine, nine year
old me that was in the 3d.
Firmly in this dimension, right?
This reality.
Back me was also me, but understood absolutely
everything that was going on.
And I was aware of feeling that in the moment that I
would have these downloads, there's a part of me that's
this is just happening.
Okay?
It doesn't feel bad.
It actually feels really good.
Wow, this concept is really interesting.
This is really neat.
But then I would have to just continue on
with my day, right?
Because I would be literally about to leave for school
and I had to function and my mom is hollering at me
from the front door and my little brother is there and
there's lunch bags and shoes and we gotta go, right?
But then back me was in no rush, and she just was able to
fully integrate and understand what was going on, and I was
aware of her understanding it, and I was also aware
of me having to go ahead to function in my daily life.
Does that make sense?
Rod Bland: That is so interesting.
So there's a few things that I noticed there.
The downloads.
I dunno if you've read any of Robert Munroe's books.
Journeys out of the Body was the first one he wrote.
He wrote three different books.
Robert Monroe founded the Monroe Institute,
which is in Virginia.
Yes.
And so he obviously, he documented his experiences.
That was what his books were all about.
And he talked about rotes.
So rotes were like, packets of information
that contained everything.
So when he was in a non-physical reality, then he
would be given these rotes.
And you can imagine the way I imagine it was like a kind
of a ball gets thrown at you and the ball unfurls into
your mind and it contains everything all at once.
So it's information, it's sensory input it's
a whole bunch of stuff all at the same time.
So that's what I heard when you were talking about
getting those downloads.
And the doorway, it's almost like it was a portal.
There was something different about the vibration of space
and time in that particular spot that allowed that to,
to occur in that particular place, which is pretty,
pretty unreal, right?
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah I still am puzzled by that as well.
And, I used to have another experience that I would,
was wrong because I do remember this after age
four, which was having, this happened several times.
I would say this happened maybe around seven or
eight times in total.
That's in my memory from long ago.
But I can remember seven or eight times.
There was one time in particular.
And so what would happen was I would see the future,
basically, I would get this image very clear,
very detailed image in my mind of something totally
ordinary, just a scene.
Okay.
And usually it would have people I knew or someone
I knew in this scene doing something completely normal.
And then I would have this feeling when this
would occur as if really as if time would freeze.
So time would freeze.
I would see this image, I would have this sort of
electrical feeling, this distinct feeling, almost like
having touched an electric fence or something like that.
And then, and they would unfreeze and the feeling
would start to go, the electrical feeling.
And then later on, at some point that exact scene would
appear in my actual life, like down to the tiniest detail.
And so this happened once when I was sitting next to my
half aunt, my mother's half sister on a bench in a park.
She actually lived in Australia for a number of
years, for about 30 years.
And this is the first time that I realized that
there's a lineage of women on my mother's side of the
family who have abilities.
And I never thought to tell my mother any of the
things that were happening to me prior to this.
I was 11 years old, 10 or 11 at this point.
So I'm sitting next to the bench, next to my aunt
on the bench and I had this experience where I
realized, oh my gosh, that's exactly what I saw it.
I'm seeing in real life what I saw, whatever two months ago.
And it was happening in front of me with my
brother on a seesaw.
And the tree is blowing a certain way.
My brother wearing certain clothes and his leg
falling off the seesaw.
And it in a certain way, it was just
exactly what I had seen.
And I got this jolt of a bit of shock from it.
And my aunt noticed and she looked at me and she
asked me if I was all right.
And I looked at her and I realized, oh
my God, she knows.
It was this major moment of validation for me.
Huge moment.
And I've talked with her about it since in recent years
and told her how important that moment was to me.
And she said, don't worry.
She didn't even, I think she asked me what had happened
and I tried to explain it the best that I could.
I don't know what I said.
And then she said, don't worry.
It's okay.
This runs in our family, it's okay.
And then my fear about it was gone.
And I didn't know what it was.
I didn't know what was happening.
I didn't know how to make any sense of it at all.
But I just felt very reassured by knowing that someone
in my family recognized what was happening in that
moment without me having to say anything and knew just
the right thing to say.
And it was so reassuring, so I did have a few key
moments of experiences after age four, that's for sure.
And then for a long time, absolutely nothing,
that I was aware of.
I was very unhappy for a long time.
And then in 2017, it all started to change.
Rod Bland: I think you said something very
pertinent there was that you were very unhappy.
So, If I think about that in terms of vibration, so your
vibration was quite low.
So in my mind it stands to reason that your access to
these different other higher levels of vibration, you
just weren't able to connect.
Cuz you weren't tuned on that frequency.
There was something you said about your
front me and back me.
The way I understood that was so front you is the you that's
here and, everybody's got their own concept about this,
but mine is that there's a greater part of us in, we will
call it an oversoul for want of a better word that exists
outside of time and space.
And it was like I certainly don't have awareness of this,
but I've met people and I think you're included is
that you have an awareness of this greater other part
of yourself that exists outside of this reality
which you called back me.
And so there is no time in that place
where back me exists.
So it sounds like you had this, you were able to divide
your focus between the two and even actually have a point of
focus in both places at once.
This is something that Tom Campbell, the author of My
Big Toe talks about where, and he was also a graduate of
the the Monroe Institute where the ability to shift focus
from this physical reality to a different reality.
And then over time he learned how to just
really just divide his consciousness between the two.
And I think he still does that.
I don't think he talks about it a great deal, but he exists
in two separate realities.
He's got his current consciousness and then the
other consciousness that exists outside of that.
He can be having a completely different
experience conversation.
And he's able to hold the, both in the space of his
mind at the same time.
Sinead Whelehan: That makes a lot of sense to me.
Especially I'm very curious about what's the
newest thing that's being learned or explored in
science, for example, and one of those things is
multidimensionality, right?
Quantum physicists are really deeply exploring that.
It's a very real possibility.
How does that fit into it?
And then how does the concept of the higher self in terms
of all of us being, I mean, this is a concept that's in,
essentially in every single religion in the world, which
I think is fascinating.
Even though they all think that they're the right
one and that they all have the right answer,
they all are essentially saying the same things.
And one, one of them is, we are all God or
God is in us, right?
God is inside us, and yet we are also human and not God.
So that's exactly the same thing as people in
the spiritual community saying we are all one.
We are all connected to source.
We are all connected to the universe.
We are all connected to whatever you wanna
call it, the everything.
Yet we are also individual.
It is both, right?
And plus I really, the more I live, the more I really
firmly believe that we live in a dimension that
is made up of duality.
I think absolutely everything in this
dimension is dualistic.
And so that includes ourselves, right?
And includes our experiences.
That is, I think the whole, the W H O L E of our
lives, of our experience here is all of it.
So there's, so I'm getting a little bit
off on a tangent here.
It just, it connects to everything.
That's how I look at it, right?
These experiences that we're talking about in this
conversation that we're having seems to be very specific and
for certain audience and only applies to a certain field.
But it actually connects to so many other things that, like
quantum physics, like current science, like what's happening
with psychedelics, right?
There's psychedelics are now being taken very
seriously by really reputable researchers, scientists,
schools of medicine, universities, laboratories.
It just connects to so many other parts of our lives
and I find that really fascinating and that's one
of the downloads that I got when I was nine, was
about interconnectedness.
They gave it to me, whoever they are, gave it to me by
showing me that the act of me eating breakfast at the
table that morning, it was going to affect a child.
And I saw this other child in my head sitting at
their table somewhere in Africa, in a country, in
Africa, and I just knew that somehow that idea was true.
It just made sense.
I saw it as this kind of ripple of endless, tiny
little after effects.
That would make it all the way across to that
other child in Africa.
And we're not aware of that.
But it, I really think that's true, right?
Like we send out signals, vibrations, and impacts on
our environment every single day that are so tiny that
we don't think about them.
It's very energetic, it's very minute.
But this has been proven with, in so many different
kinds of studies, how important vibration and
energy is like with the water molecule studies by that
wonderful Japanese scientist who I'm now forgetting.
Oh my gosh, Mishiko.
Oh gosh, I'm blanking on his name.
Anyway, it just
Rod Bland: one you mean.
Sinead Whelehan: thank, yes, thank you.
Just that these conversations seem to be so esoteric,
but I'm not actually sure they really are.
They seem to be supported more and more by what's
happening at the forefront of science, medicine earth
sciences, botanicals, biology.
Yeah.
Just an endless number of other ways that human
intelligence, thought and exploration is demonstrated.
Did you find his name?
Rod Bland: Yeah, it was Dr.
Massaru Emoto.
Sinead Whelehan: Oh yes.
Rod Bland: Water consciousness.
Yeah.
I haven't actually I've heard about it, but I've
never actually read that study, but I will now.
Sinead Whelehan: Oh, it's fascinating.
So fascinating.
Yeah.
There's so many things that sound like complete bs.
Send a thought out and it'll do something.
People go, oh yeah, if you look at the science
of what has project achieved, they proved that
it has an effect on actual physical material, water.
It just, I find that really fascinating that this kind
of information comes up over and over again in so many
different ways, from a person in Toronto, Canada, from to
a person in Australia to just so many other expressions
of the fact that there is more, there's just more
than we think to reality.
Rod Bland: I completely agree.
All right, so let's jump forward to 2017, and I'm
glad that you remembered some things after the age of
four, so that's really good.
Yeah, tell me about this is where things really
changed a lot for you.
It seems.
Let's hear about that one.
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.
I was really struggling.
I was really unhappy in my life and I was really feeling
very disconnected from myself.
And for a very long time I had been thinking, I wanna
get back, I wanna get back to how I was as a child.
This became a really big goal for me.
And it kept almost inserting itself into my thoughts.
Almost like being tapped on the shoulder by an
insistent adult who's looking out for you.
Pay attention to this.
That's what it felt like.
Don't forget about this.
Don't forget about what you used to be able to
do, what you used to be able to experience,
what that felt like.
That's really you.
And so I always really felt this feeling that
was really me, right?
That space of where all those things were really happening.
That's true me and I needed to get back there.
So by the time 2017 rolled around, I was
not in that place.
I was feeling very disconnected from myself.
I was in a career that was exhausting me.
Teaching in public school.
And I love students and I'm very passionate
about education.
I love kids, but the system is exhausting for teachers
and I'll leave it at that.
So I was really struggling with that.
I was struggling in my personal life.
I was struggling with my connection with myself.
And I felt who am I?
Like how did I get here?
Why am how did I end up in this place where I'm so
unhappy and I don't know who I am anymore or what I
want, or, I don't enjoy my life, I wanna get back there.
How do I do this?
And in a very synchronistic kind of way, the opportunity
to go to Peru came up, and it all happened
incredibly easily.
It came together really easily.
And I ended up in Peru in July of 2017.
So basically I had many experiences on that trip.
On that three week trip to Peru, I had many experiences
that were deeply spiritual.
Felt somewhat, unusual.
Were not just me wishing or hoping or being blissed out
by the beauty of the place or something like that.
It was really I felt like something was happening
to me and I felt myself.
I felt very myself in a way I had not felt for a long time.
And I felt that pretty much immediately after
I got off the plane.
And I couldn't understand why.
I just felt great.
As soon as I was in Peru, I was on that land.
I just felt wonderful.
And it was not the excitement of being on a trip
because I'm a seasoned traveler.
It was something about how I felt.
And so then all kinds of different things
happened on that trip to help me understand
why I felt that way.
And one of them was, and this is the one that I had
the hardest time digesting because it just seems
so completely out there.
And a lot of people who hear this story, they immediately
think, oh, she was on drugs and that's why this happened.
It's not like that.
It was involving Ayahuasca and Ayahuasca retreat.
And ayahuasca, if used properly, like any other
psychedelic, it can be for very spiritual, very
healing, very meaningful experiences and transformative
experiences for people.
It's not a party drug.
It has been abused as such.
It should not be.
It should be respected as being much, much more
profound than a party drug.
And so I am not somebody who takes drugs.
I just wanna say that cause people comment on this
literally, every time I talk about this experience, this
ends up in the comments.
I think that's too bad because people are missing
out on a really incredible tool for healing and for
contact and for spiritual development and many reasons.
And of course you need to be responsible, in terms of how
you go into the decision to take something like ayahuasca,
because it is very profound and it's very impactful.
Not for absolutely everyone, but definitely for, I
would say most people.
So in any case, I had researched very carefully this
place, and I ended up at this very bare bones rustic, very
enmeshed with the land kind of retreat center that was run
by Peruvians, not Americans.
So there's a lot of American run retreat
centers there that are bit more trendy or faddish.
If you go with the Peruvians, you're more likely to get
someone who's from the lineage of shamans and who
knows the history of how to use the plant properly and
with respect to the plant, but they believe that it
has a spirit and so do I.
I didn't believe that before I took it though,
or I wasn't sure.
So anyway, I was really unhappy and that is key
because I think that, for so many years I've been
trying really hard to get back to myself, to get back
to this part of me that felt like the truest me, right?
The part that was able to experience unusual things.
For whatever reason, that just is what felt right.
And yet I was having a lot of difficulty doing that
because I was so mired in my own, there was a bit of
victim mentality going on.
There was shame, there was guilt, there was
resentment, there was anger, there was depression.
There was just so many fun emotions.
And I really, was very deeply in all of that and was not in
a place where I was feeling particularly positive.
So the fact that I'd gotten to Peru felt so good and
so connected to myself and to the land essentially
as soon as I got there was very encouraging for me.
But I still went into the experience of the retreat,
really having no expectations and absolutely no idea
what was going to occur.
So that's when I first met extraterrestrials.
And the reason I think that's true is two things.
One is that I had several things happen, which are too
long to talk about, but I had several things happen prior
to this experience that made me feel like something was
coming or there was something that was trying to reach me.
And yet I kept dismissing that's nonsense, that's
ridiculous, right?
But I kept having that experience and so Ayahuasca
is very powerful and so is one's ego and so is one's
victim mentality and so is one's anger and resentment.
That stuff is pretty hard to work with if
you're glued to it.
We're stuck to it in some way, which I was.
I feel like I, the power of ayahuasca and the innately
healing and transformative properties of and spirit
of ayahuasca met this other challenge full on and just,
needed to bust through all of that stuff to be able to get
to me, to help me with what I wanted, which was to be back
in touch with myself again.
And to be back in touch with the universe and to be able to
feel that expansiveness that I used to feel as a child.
And so I think that this is the way that it
happened for that purpose.
And the other reason that I think it's legitimate is
they said to me at the end of the experience, I said,
this is your invitation.
And at the time I thought, wow, it's weird
that I made that up.
Why would I make that up?
I thought it was me.
I thought that I had created the whole experience.
And that was another thing.
I was thinking, why, but why would I choose UFOs and ET's?
That doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm not involved in UFOs or ET's.
I'm not in, at this point, in 2017 in ufology at all.
Not reading about it, not Googling it, not nothing,
absolutely nothing.
So why that, and so it just stuck with me.
And then sure enough, in 2019, Things really blew open.
And that's when I realized that when they had said,
this is your invitation, they meant it because they
kept showing up in 2019.
That was my huge awakening, which they validated for me
in physical form several days later when I asked for it in
an absolutely undeniable way.
And then they've been in my life off and on ever since.
How do you explain that?
I've talked to a psychiatrist about it,
a psychologist about it.
There are people in my family who, I know wouldn't
have taken me seriously.
And I was feeling like I needed to be able to
take myself seriously.
I have questioned myself so much about this and done so
much reading and talked to so many people to make sure that
I'm not creating this right.
And the fact is validation happens in a way that just
tells me over and over again no, this really is real.
It really is happening.
Plus, meeting so many other experiencers and
hearing their stories and the similarities with
mine all around the world.
It just makes more and more sense to me.
Rod Bland: I'm just trying to connect the dots here.
So you had your Ahuyusca experience and that was
where things opened up, but there was something
else that occurred there.
Was that after that while you were still in Peru?
Sinead Whelehan: So I was in Peru for three weeks.
I had the Ayahuasca experience there and then
where I was very briefly inside a U F O, met a whole
bunch of extraterrestrials, had a conversation with
them and a bunch of other things happened.
But the main thing was I met extraterrestrials
and they said to me.
They were just extremely happy to see me.
I think it was the excitement of knowing I
could see them and that now we could communicate
that was the feeling.
So after that, went home to Toronto.
Spent a long time trying to integrate what had happened
and trying to understand what had happened, but
I was not believing that had actually occurred.
I thought that I had made this up and this was somehow
how my mind was expressing itself, and that it was
reminding me to be unusual and it was okay to be unusual.
It was okay to be interested in outer space,
like that kind of stuff.
I didn't know how else to understand it at the time.
So then got home felt really great for quite a while.
It really was an incredibly healing experience for me
on the whole being in Peru for those three weeks.
Then I got depressed again because of course I was
back in my life, right?
I was back in all the things that had stressed
me out and made me tired.
They were there, they were still there.
So then in 2019 I was recovering from my second
cochlear implant surgery.
And so I'm deaf and I have two cochlear implants.
The second surgery, it's a, it's quite a big deal.
They go into your inner ear system and they implant
a little magnet and they thread a microfiber that
has little elements on it through your cochlea.
It's a whole complicated thing.
It's amazing technology that I'm very grateful for.
And so I had this surgery and I was recovering and
I was dizzy pretty much 24 7 for about two weeks.
So I couldn't do a lot.
I was not able to be very physical because I was too
dizzy and I couldn't read because I was too dizzy.
So I was watching movies and I just got incredibly
bored of that after a while and really wanted to
see something different.
And so I happened to stumble upon Bob Lazar and Area 51.
A documentary that's made by Jeremy Corbel.
Had never heard of Bob Lazar.
Again, I was not in ufology at all, and I think I had
even forgotten about my Peru experience at this point,
cuz I had gotten right back into depression and right
back into being unhappy.
It was still in my mind somewhere, but it was not
something I was actively thinking about at this
point two years later.
And the Peru experience was in July and August, 2017.
This was also in July.
In 2019, I watched the documentary Bob
Lazar in Area 51.
It completely blew my mind and this was my reaction to
the film also surprised me.
How strongly I reacted to the film, how much I resonated
with him and with also what he was talking about.
How fascinated I was.
I remember thinking to myself, why do I feel like this?
This is interesting.
I'm feeling so strongly about this, but I felt this
excitement and was absolutely enthralled the entire time.
And then as soon as the documentary is over, I crawled
across the floor and turned it off and boom, had my
awakening experience, which was inherently what felt
like a whole bunch of, I, I believe extraterrestrials.
I couldn't see them, but I'll explain why I thought
they were extraterrestrials.
I just, first of all, in the moment just knew, had this
feeling of just knowing for absolutely no reason that
these were extraterrestrials.
I could hear them speaking to me.
I knew there was a whole bunch of them.
It was not an actual voice.
It was vibratory or energetic language, and
it is every single time.
And it was also in download form between
the ages of nine and 11.
It's just, it's vibratory, it's energetic, and it's
a full, complete language.
And I can understand what they were saying to
me and they said, okay.
Alright, it's time.
We're here, we're gonna wake you up.
Like you have a job to do.
This is part of your life.
It's always been part of your life, but now you really have
to make it part of your life.
And, ooh, let's get going.
That was essentially the message.
And we're here to support you.
We've always been with you and a lot more than that.
But that was really it.
And it was this just extraordinary amount of
energy, extraordinary amount of heart and care.
And I have never had anything like that ever happen
in my life, ever before.
And so I just knew it was real.
I can't explain how and why.
I just knew.
And so I took it seriously and I started going into,
I became very oh my God.
And just not enthralled, it's the wrong word.
I could not stop thinking about it, I really could
not stop thinking about it.
It had just.
The expression I used is getting bonged over the head
with a cosmic frying pan.
It really felt like I had been bonged, like just bong over
the head, like reverberating through me with this new
understanding that this was real and I could never look at
myself or my life or reality the same way ever again.
It was absolutely massive as an experience with this
massive amount of energy and this massive presence.
And so then I just went down the rabbit hole of researching
and reaching out to people and asking for help and getting
a lot of wonderful support from people who were leaders
in the community, including the honorable Paul Hellyer,
who was unfortunately passed away, but he was the Minister
of Defense for Canada in the sixties and seventies
for a period of time.
And he had been a UFO experiencer himself, and so
he became active in ufology years after he left his
post with the military.
Anyway, I reached out to him.
He validated that I was not crazy.
Basically, like he said, this is not unusual.
You are not alone in having an experience like this.
But then all the same, few days later I started
to work in this warehouse marking piles and piles of
booklets that were collected from students all over
the country and teachers were hired to mark these
booklets for literacy, data purposes, and math as well.
Something like two and a half weeks later, I had
recovered from my surgery and I was starting this job.
And the contrast between what I had been experiencing
for the two and a half weeks prior, which was basically
having my paradigm completely busted and discovering a whole
new world of information and experience that I had not even
had a clue existed with any legitimacy, to thud, reality
working in this warehouse.
There's concrete everywhere.
It's very low vibe.
There's people chugging coffee.
We're just doing a job for the government kind of thing.
And it was just very, like the daily grind feeling.
And so a few days into this, three days into this job,
which is now about three weeks after my experience,
my awakening, I started getting worried about myself.
And so I went home.
And that night after work, I was very upset.
I really was very upset.
I was concerned about my mental state.
And so I talked to them and I don't think I've ever really
done that before, but I just knelt down on my living
room floor and genuinely spoke to them from my heart.
And I just said, I need you to prove it to me
that this happened because I feel like it's real.
I feel like you're real.
I really think this happened.
I can't think of why I would make this up, but
I need you to prove to me that this is real.
And the next day for 45 minutes, between 9 and 9:45
in the morning, every booklet that I took randomly off
the shelf at the front of the room, anybody could just
go up and grab any stack of booklets to mark, that
morning and that morning only for 45 minutes every single
booklet that I opened in child handwriting, age 10 or
11, these are kids writing responses to a question.
It was not actually responses to the question at all.
It was all about consciousness, portals,
time, travel, free energy flying cars.
The earth is alive.
There's an intergalactic council.
Extraterrestrial.
It, I was absolutely shocked.
Shocked.
Booklet after booklet.
In handwriting, in pencil, I could see it with my
own eyes in front of me.
I couldn't believe it.
And I could not take photographs because it's
government property, so I can't actually prove
that this happened.
But I ran to the bathroom and furiously texted some
friends of mine who are activists in the community,
ufology and CE-5, and and they're lovely people and
they're very grounded.
I thought that then, and I still think that now, and
I texted them and I said, I just need to tell you
this is happening because I cannot believe this.
My arms are covered in goosebumps.
Is this real?
Can I just, I need you to tell me this is real.
And they were like, yeah, that kind of, that's what happens,
sometimes to some people.
And so they heard you and they're
validating your request.
How else can I interpret that?
There's no other way I could interpret that.
I don't hallucinate ever.
And so that was something that happened in broad daylight at
nine o'clock in the morning to an ordinary person sitting
in a wi, it was just, it still stuns me to this day.
It was really something else, and it gave me
so much encouragement.
And so ever since then, sometimes, not always,
but more and more if I ask them, if I really ask
them from my heart to show up, something will happen.
I'll see a U F O and I'll know it's a U F O because it's,
I know how to analyze and say, okay, that's not a U F
O because it's an airplane.
How do I know it's an airplane?
Or how do I know it's a drone?
Or how do I know it's a satellite?
If I don't wanna make things up for myself, I
wanna know that what I'm experiencing is real.
Or if it's not real, then it's not real.
You know what I mean?
It's important to me to keep myself grounded in, the
authenticity of the weirdness, if that makes any sense.
Rod Bland: Yeah, this reminds me.
So this sort of doubting what you're seeing and what you are
witnessing is, I'm sure that happens to so many people.
I can't remember exactly, remember it was one of
Whitley Streiber's books where he is talking about
the the key master or the master of the key.
And I can't pull up the web browser to look, but he had
someone, he was in a hotel.
He was like hiding out almost because like I
mentioned before we started the recording, he become
somewhat of a pariah and people were like pursuing him.
And so he was hiding out in a hotel in a country and
he had someone come into the hotel who he later on
referred to as the, I think it was the Key Master.
He wrote a book about it.
Fascinating book.
And initially, he was thinking what's one of the hotel
staff doing coming in here at 1:30 AM in the morning?
Cause it was really late and early in the morning.
And then after a while he realized this person
is not, he's not human.
He looks human, but he's not.
And he, even, despite all of his experiences, he
was still doubting that he wasn't, hallucinating.
And then he had to, he after the evidence started to
stack up, he thought, okay, this is actually real and
I'm not going bonkers here.
So I think that's surely, that's a pretty common
experience for many people to doubt themselves because
it's so far out of the norm.
Sinead Whelehan: And yet, so important to be open, I think,
to letting those things in because, essentially whether
or not they're real, I think is not really the issue to me.
It's the effect it has on you.
Because any experience like that is going to crack open
your sense of normal, your sense of stability and what
you're used to and usual.
And that's really important for consciousness to develop.
We have to be able to have those periods of, popping
out the door of our familiar reality to see what else is
out there, because it's very important, I think, of course,
this is just my opinion, but I think it's very important
that we have experiences that are challenging, whether
it's in real life or not in quote unquote real life
struggles, difficulties.
They're awful, but they teach us something if we
choose them, if we choose to allow them to, they
always teach us something.
If not anything else, about our own strength and our own
resilience, and our ability to persevere and to survive,
which I think often we don't really give ourselves
enough credit for, generally speaking, as human beings.
There are people who live in countries around the world
right now who are surviving in circumstances I cannot fathom.
And, how much do we really recognize that, like in,
in the every day, the fact that human beings have
extraordinary ability to survive and to persevere.
So whether or not it's something that we understand
or we have answers for is not actually important to me.
Just like it's not incredibly important to me that I see
all my guides and I know exactly what they look like.
That doesn't actually matter to me.
What matters to me is the communication and
the messages, or the information and how they're
helping me in my life.
And that's how I know that also that this experience
I'm having ongoing is legitimate because it's
changing me in ways that I've always needed to change.
It's helping me grow in ways I've needed to grow.
It's making me a more connected person to myself
and to what I really need in life, and to be able
to make a contribution to anybody else or anything
else as well, in a real way.
Rod Bland: That's such a good point.
It's so easy to, when you hear of someone's
experience, it's easy to go how do we validate this?
How do we actually, prove this?
Then many people who have those experiences do go
to great lengths to try to validate and prove their
experience so that other people can have that.
But I think you make a really good point is that how does
it actually make you feel?
How does it affect your life in a way that helps you grow.
I'm just thinking the same thing when anybody who
watches this interview, it's what sort of impact is it
actually having on them?
And I agree that's the important piece.
That's, it's less important that it be validated.
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah, and I I feel similarly
about how physical we are about everything.
Like to me, this is, my body is not me.
And your body is not you.
This is the container that we're traveling
around in this life.
This is my concept, right?
So therefore, it makes any judgments that we have about
each other's physicality inherently ridiculous because
things like racism, sexism, ableism, whatever it is,
making judgments about another person based purely on their
physical appearance is such a ridiculous concept because
the person is not their body.
It's the energy.
It's what's inside the body that counts.
And to me it's that same sort of idea.
Does that make sense, that comparison?
Rod Bland: Yeah, that's a really great point.
I just made a note here about CE-6, oh,
sorry, CE-5 presentation and the energy merge.
Can you tell us about that story?
Sinead Whelehan: Oh gosh, yeah.
That experience is really huge.
I'm still actually digesting that one in some ways.
This was in August of 20.
2021.
Excuse me.
Yes.
It was August, 2021.
So there's a pattern so far of really big energy or energetic
experiences happening almost exactly two years apart.
The first one was July late July, early August, 2017.
Then the second one was late June, early July, 2019.
And then this was late July, early August, 2021.
So what happened was Grant Cameron, who I was assisting
at the time invited me to assist him on a presentation
cause he was the keynote speaker at an event that was
being held in Illinois, run by some people that we knew.
And so we traveled there together and there were a
series of talks throughout the day on different
topics, actually over two days on different topics.
It's a terrific event called the Worldwide
Meta Metaphysical Tribe.
And He was gonna be speaking and I was gonna do this little
presentation about Sasquatch.
And so I did that and I remember feeling
a bit odd that day.
And, there were a couple of things that were just
a little bit unusual for me to experience, such as
having difficulty speaking, like actually speaking,
like talking, getting my voice out of my mouth.
And so I couldn't figure out what that was.
I thought, am I getting some kind of bug?
Is my throat starting to act up?
It was a little bit of a strange moment.
So there were a couple things that happened, no big deal.
Anyway, later on that afternoon at two o'clock
began this presentation by two CE-5 experts and
leaders in the CE-5 field.
CE-5 is close encounters of the fifth kind, and it tends
to be a circle of people who come together with the
purpose of making contact with extraterrestrials.
Usually through ships, but contact can happen
in different ways.
So ships will appear is what I mean.
So we were going to have this presentation at this
event with an audience of 50 to 60 people in the middle
of the afternoon, in the middle of the summer in
Illinois, in this space that was essentially outdoors.
So it was a covered space and it was set up as if it was a
room, but there were no walls.
So there was garden all the way around us.
And right in front of me, there was a very tall
evergreen hedge about 20 feet away from where I was sitting.
And Grant was sitting right beside me.
So at about three o'clock, and I have this very weird pattern
of threes happening with a lot of my paranormal experiences.
I'm not sure why it just has happened like that.
So this is one example, right around three o'clock halfway
through the presentation, I had this very strong feeling
to, as if almost somebody was calling me to look over here.
And so I looked over, but where I felt like I was being
directed to look was right in front of me and all I could
see with this evergreen hedge.
So I just thought okay, that was weird.
I got distracted, and I looked back at the presentation,
which was about 45 degree angle, to my right.
And so I'm watching the presentation, but again, I get
this feeling, look over here.
And so I looked over and then I start seeing this
very slight sort of misty texture in front of the hedge.
And I'm looking at it and I really feel like I'm, I
have to look at this, even though I wanna be I'm polite,
I wanna be respectful and look at the presentation.
And I'm very obviously looking away from it, but
I really felt compelled.
And so I'm looking and I'm seeing gradually this mist,
which is very just like a almost, it started almost
like a sort of sparkle over this surface the dark green
background of the hedge.
And then it became over a few seconds, I think
the misty filled in misty outline of this very tall
being that was about seven, maybe eight feet tall.
Very thin torso.
Long thin arms, long thin legs.
And I could see everything.
I could see the full detailed outline of the
body, the head, the neck
Rod Bland: Wow.
happened?
Sinead Whelehan: So first of all, I'm just sitting there
really like having difficulty believing that I'm seeing this
and I actually pinched myself.
And I also was talking to myself like, is
this really happening?
Am I really seeing this do a reality check?
So I look around the room and I look back at it.
It's still there.
So I can't think of a reason why this is happening.
And I've never had anything like this happen
before either, right?
This being materializes and is just standing there in this
very calm but strong pose.
Arms just down at its side, feet planted.
And it's directly in my line of sight facing me.
And then I hear in my head, this is an energy merge.
And I immediately think that's weird.
Why did I just think that?
And then right after that, it was as if I was being blasted
by a water cannon of energy.
It was just this really massive amount of energy
being beamed at me.
That's what it felt like.
And yet I wasn't afraid.
It was very intense.
I started to lose a little bit of, at first it was a
little bit of my vision of what was actually around me.
I started to lose my ability to see clearly
what was around me and the air quality changed.
This is something I found out later as common for
experiences that the air became like water
or I don't know, there was a substance to it.
It became thicker somehow, and everything just
slowed down and my body felt totally different.
And I was also very numb.
And my whole body was buzzing, just buzzing and buzzing and
vibrating and reverberating with this energy.
Huge indescribably strong energy.
And that went on for the next hour.
And then by the end of the presentation, an hour later,
my friend Kim, who was one of the people giving the
presentation, had figured out by then that something
was wrong, cuz she saw me just basically staring
at a hedge for an hour
slapped, slap jawed, just ugh, like this.
And so she came over and yelled in front of me
and said, are you okay?
And I couldn't really talk, my jaw was really numb and
I just felt so strange and everything was reverberating
with this incredible energy.
And I managed to get a few things out after a minute to
tell her, can you help me?
Can you help me move from this spot?
Because people were starting to get up and
move around and I could not interact with anyone.
There was absolutely no way that I could
have a conversation.
So she helped me make my way a few steps away, and I was
really having to check for the surface of the ground.
Like I felt like the ground wasn't really there.
It was a very funny experience.
And so then I went into this gazebo with her, which
was covered by Ivy, and so it was private and she was
wonderful and supportive.
Her name is Kimberly Marie Port.
She's a leader in CE-5 and a wonderful person,
and she was so supportive.
Stayed with me, and she said once my body started
unfreezing, essentially, I was able to get out a little
bit more of what had happened and describe it to her.
And I was doing what you would do, if you had been to
the dentist and been given a freezing agent and then you're
stretching your mouth out, trying to loosen your muscles
up and get them going again.
I was doing that while I was talking, and so I
explained to her essentially what had happened, and she
said to me, that sounds like an energy merge.
So I said to her, can you please remember that you
said that because that's literally what I heard
in my head an hour ago, and I don't know what an
energy emerge is, so then she explained to me why it
sounded like an energy merge.
I'd never heard of such a thing.
I'd never knew that something like that existed before.
This also near the end of this experience, I started
seeing in my mind these really strong images that
I felt were representing what was occurring
energetically around me.
So one thing was that there was this bright column
of light that was coming from far up above me going
straight through my body and going down into the earth.
And I have the feeling that everybody has this.
Everyone has this connection to what's above and below in,
in an infinity sort of way.
Like we're all connected to something huge.
That was the feeling I had.
And so it was this bright column of light going
straight through my body.
And then also seeing the energy running up from all
my extremities and swirling into my chest as if my
chest was a whirlpool.
So all this energy was being sucked up into my chest.
And I could see this in my mind and in my mind the
light in my chest was orangey yellow, or mostly yellow.
And then I also saw this light from somewhere off in
front of me that was beamed directly at my third eye.
And so I'm just seeing all of this occurring in my mind and
just making my way through it, step by step, still feeling
this massive amount of energy.
So it really took several hours before it completely
wore off, and I ended up falling asleep for a
couple of hours as well.
During which, just before which the being appeared
again, but this time he's in my room and kind of at the
end of my bed and I didn't, I couldn't see all of it.
It was just the shoulders and the head and it was a very
pleasant, friendly feeling.
And then I fell asleep for two hours, got up with
three minutes to spare before Grant's presentation
and ran out to where he was presenting still in
the midst of this, right?
Thinking about this.
Somehow assisted him for that hour.
I don't know what I said or did, but I did.
I made my way through it.
And then later that night, there was a CE-5 with a
whole bunch of people from the event out in this dark
graveyard or beside this graveyard in the dark.
And there was a photograph taken of me with what looks
like a little being standing right beside me and also
this really bright light coming out of my chest.
And there's no explanation for why either of those
things look the way that they do in that photograph.
It's not explained by any light reflective surfaces.
I didn't have a phone on my chest.
I didn't have a piece of jewelry on my chest.
I was not wearing glasses there.
I've had people ask me everything about this did
you have this or was it that?
But I had it analyzed by someone I know who
works at Getty Images.
They couldn't explain it.
And also professional photographer friend of mine
couldn't explain it either.
So I don't know what it is, but it seems very
interesting that would show up right after I'd had that
experience earlier in the day.
It just seemed a bit funny, the consistency.
And so I really felt like that being was there beside
me because I was still very much feeling their
presence during that CE-5.
Really still feeling that energy.
Will sometimes stay with me for days when that
kinda thing happens.
In this case it was hours and then yeah, just after that,
try to gradually understand what might have happened, but
I still have really no idea.
All I know is that it was deliberately done to
me to help me somehow.
Rod Bland: It's like another tune-up.
That's what I got.
It sounds like you had another tune-up, but a
more extreme version.
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.
Yeah, it was exhausting, but also really felt
really good in a way.
And I felt like I was somehow being given a lot
of support in terms of my development, but I don't
specifically know what it was or what it was for.
Rod Bland: Do you have the photo on your computer?
Sinead?
Sinead Whelehan: I do have it on my computer somewhere.
It'll take me a minute to find it.
So the first photo that you'll see, there's
three different ones that I'm I'm showing here.
The first one is the original photograph, and so it's
a random point and shoot.
And what had happened was we were in a CE-5 circle, so
there was a circle of white chairs, and you're going to
see the very far edge of the circle in this photograph.
And in the background you can see a cemetery and you
can also see some trees.
So it looks like it's daylight, but
it was not at all.
It was very dark.
There was a faint yellowish light that was coming
from a parking lot lamp that was a distance away.
And if you look really closely at this photograph,
you can see that there's night skies stars.
There's stars in the sky.
It really was nighttime.
It was very dark.
We could barely see each other across the circle.
And so this photograph was taken during a break
in the proceedings when actually I had come into
the circle a little bit late with Grant because he and
I had been talking about what had occurred with the
energy merge and I needed to eat and I was starving.
After the energy merges happened, I was absolutely
ravenously hungry.
So I was eating this huge plate of pasta and talking to
Grant about what had happened.
And and so then we were a little bit late, about 15
minutes late or so, 20 minutes maybe to the CE-5 circle.
So when we walked into the circle again,
it's really dark.
And I don't think people on the other side of the
circle knew that it was us that were coming in.
But when we started getting close to the circle,
people started exclaiming making sounds and saying,
oh, there's a really big energy that's suddenly
come into this circle.
There's this really big energy that suddenly come in.
And I'm not hearing any of this by the way, this is all
told to me later because I can't really hear in the dark.
It's funny.
People can't see in the dark.
I can't hear in the dark.
I have to be able to see people, I have to be able
to see their faces, their their lip movements, their
facial expressions, their body language in order to
really have full context of what's being said.
And I need to be able to match the sounds that
I'm hearing with what I'm seeing on the mouth.
And so in the dark, I can't do that.
So I could hear people's voices, but I had no
idea what was being said.
And so I completely missed this whole part.
And because people were exclaiming about this energy,
this big energy coming into the circle unexpectedly
Marcel, the guy who was leading it, who had been
one of the co-presenters of the C5 presentation that
afternoon where the energy merged actually happened.
He's now, it's hours later and he's now
leading the CE-5 circle.
He was feeling it too, this energy.
So he said, okay, everybody, let's take a break and
cuz you're all getting distracted by this feeling
and let's investigate it.
Let's just take our cameras, whatever kind of camera
you have, and just take photographs of what's
around you and we'll just see if anything emerges.
So that was the context.
And so this woman who I didn't know took this photograph and
I, and then after she took it, she came up to Grant
and I, and you can see in the foreground, you can
see Grant sitting there with his chair slightly
bent back and his head is turned away from the camera.
He's talking to me who is on the other side of
him, and his arm is up.
He's moving his arm around while he talks.
So that is the first photograph.
And so the woman who took it immediately came over
and told us that she was seeing this funny light and
something standing beside me.
And I didn't hear it because I couldn't hear in the dark.
So again, this is something I was not aware of until Grant
told me something like half an hour later with a flashlight
in front of his face.
So I could see his lips.
And then I said, oh.
And so I ran after the woman and asked to see
the photograph and asked her to send it to me.
And then the second photograph is a closeup of Grant and
I sitting in the chairs.
So Grant is again in the foreground.
His face is turned away from the camera.
And I'm be, I'm behind him from the viewer from
the viewer's perspective.
Right now my chair is back a little further than his.
I'm wearing a pink sweater, so you can see my
shoulder behind his chair.
And then my arm is straight up in the air and on my chest
is a very bright light and with tendrils coming outta it.
And so here is the very closeup version,
which is my arm raised.
And this little being or what looks like a little
being standing right in front of my hand.
So you can see a head shape, an eye, the
neck, the shoulder.
It's very small.
It's the same height as most people say little grays are,
or a lot of little beings are.
Yeah, it's interesting and apparently there's
a lot of other faces in this image as well.
The larger original image.
That I can't see, but other people have, including
Barbara, who has decades long experience of working
with Experiencers, hearing their stories, seeing
photographs, and she said that this is legitimate.
So I don't know, it just seems oddly coincidental
considering how I was feeling, that I was still feeling
the reverberations of this very strong energy, that
the being had come with the energy merge hours earlier.
And in my visualization near the end of the energy
merge, I saw this very bright light in my chest.
There's a very bright light on my chest in this
photograph that's not explainable, plus this little
being standing next to me.
And I have experience with ets and also
that's something else.
Before this event, I was seeing ET faces, gray
faces in the clouds a lot outside my apartment.
Very detailed, clear ET faces.
It happened two or three days before I left for
the event, and I was just looking at them going.
Okay, ET faces, okay, what do I do with this?
Because it's usually some kind of a message.
And then, this event occurred and it made me realize
that they were saying hello this is gonna happen.
There's something that's going to occur involving us.
So they were giving me a little bit of a heads up
that I was not understanding it, or at least that's
the way I translate it.
I don't know how else to make sense of that.
So it was a pretty interesting experience, just the fact
that this photograph was taken, what it shows,
but also it does line up perfectly with what I had
experienced earlier that day.
And I didn't take that picture.
I haven't done anything to alter it.
It's the original photograph with a lighter filter over
it to be able to see more clearly what was in the
dark in the photograph.
But that was done by the woman who took it.
I have not made any alterations whatsoever, so
it's intriguing for sure.
Rod Bland: Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
I, the I could definitely see the figure.
I showed it to my wife and she goes, what?
So do you think that the being that you encountered
there was one of those beings that appeared, was it back
in 2019 in your lounge room?
Sinead Whelehan: Oh gosh.
I really don't know.
The fact that it showed up physically the way that it
did, with that physicality.
I did talk to Grant about it because he
was there with me and I asked him what he thought
and he said that it's, there's different types of
grays and it sounded most similar to this type of gray
that is very tall and thin.
And cuz it had their bit of a bulbus head.
Not really super bulbus, a little bit.
Just a little bit there.
Yeah, I don't know.
I've asked them to show me who they are.
I've asked them to show up.
I've asked to actually meet them, and that's a,
okay, so that's actually a part of the story.
I had been asking them to meet them.
I had been saying for about two months before August,
2021 in Illinois before the energy merge, I, and
then I was laughing at myself about it afterwards
because it was like, be careful what you wish for.
It was so incredibly intense and I do not regret it, but
it was incredibly intense.
So for about two months before that, I had been talking to
them and saying, I think I might be better to meet you.
I trust you.
I've always only had positive experiences with them.
So I said, I trust you.
You can show up in the way that you feel is
most appropriate for me, but I would really like
to see you or meet you.
It's not essential.
It doesn't absolutely have to happen, but I would love
it if that's okay with you.
That's basically what I was saying.
So then lo and behold, I go to this event and this happened.
And there were other things too.
For example I was teasing Grant quite a lot at the
time about having his number be 1111 because he is not
really into numerology.
And I had this number, pattern three that was happening
so dominantly, especially around that time again
cuz it happens in phases.
So I'd been teasing him about it.
We got to the B and b where, he had a room and I had a
room and, everybody it was not a very large place.
Some people had their individual rooms of what
seemed like this house, but there were little key hats in
front of every door that you had a lock on your door, you
had to punch in your code.
Well, Grant's code was 1111.
That's the code that was given to him.
So there were just little things like that, that
were happening as well, that were making both
of us laugh and go, huh.
And so I had this feeling like something was gonna
happen and I just, I had that the week before I went.
I even told friends of mine and then later on.
I got back from Illinois and was telling them
about it and they said, so did something happen?
And I was like let me tell you.
Plus when I got back from Illinois, this
is the part I did not talk about in JeffMara.
There just wasn't enough time.
Five days after I got back, I was sitting having a Zoom with
two friends of mine, one of whom who had been a presenter
at the event, and the other had been the person who
organized the event where this energy emerge thing happened.
And I was talking to them and I was telling them about what
had occurred because I hadn't been able to explain it.
There was just too much going on.
I needed time to process, et cetera, et cetera.
And so I'm talking to them about it, and as I'm telling
them the story of what occurred, my phone goes Bing.
And this message shows up on Facebook and it's
from a medium, a psychic actually, who I had never
spoken with in person.
Have you heard this?
Did you hear of this
Rod Bland: No.
No.
Sinead Whelehan: So this was really bizarre, and this
is the kind of validation that I'm telling you.
It just makes me feel over and over again,
okay, this is real.
I'm not nuts.
This really is happening.
So five days later, talking to my friends, telling 'em this
story, my phone goes off, I pick up, I say, oh, I'm sorry,
which I don't normally do.
I don't normally let my phone distract me from attention.
I'm giving people I generally think that's rude unless
it's important, right?
But I have this feeling I should look at it.
And so I said, I'm really sorry.
Hang on a second.
I'm just gonna look at this message.
And they witnessed me going, oh my God.
Because what it was a message from this psychic
who's now a friend of mine, because this event that
happened connected us.
It was too weird, the message from her.
I had never had a conversation with her.
I had never spoken with her or met her or had any
one-on-one interaction with her except a Zoom event that
she had for people who were interested in psychic ability.
And she was leading it.
But there was 10 other people in the group.
So I had never communicated with her one-on-one.
And she sends this message saying to me, hi, I know we
don't really know each other.
I'm really sorry.
We were connected on Facebook.
I'm really sorry.
I hope you don't mind, but I have to give you this message.
And it, it has this otherworldly feeling, she
says to me, and it was a message that was directly in
line with what had happened, the energy merge and what
I had experienced and the thoughts and feelings I had
about it, and the conversation I had with Grant about it.
It was a hundred percent in line with that.
And so I just could not believe it Again,
I couldn't believe it.
I still get surprised by these things when they happened.
So I immediately told my friends, they couldn't believe
it cuz they had been there, they had seen and heard about
what had happened, but hadn't gotten all the details, which
is why I was telling them.
And it was just insane.
And then that happened two more times.
That has happened two more times since most recently.
When at the very beginning of May, I went to a U
F O conference in New York, a really good U F
O conference that's very small, but excellent very
good quality information.
And so I went there.
The first night that I arrived, this funny little
thing happened where I had asked them to show up
and say hello them right?
If they felt like it, I said that it would be great.
I'm going to this event.
It's all about you guys.
I'll be thinking about you.
It's been a while since we've been in touch.
I would love to get something from you.
And then I just
left,
Rod Bland: right?
Sinead Whelehan: right?
So no expectations went.
And the very first night that I got there, I got
to my hotel room very late and I was tired.
It was about midnight and I was ready to just go to sleep.
But something made me turn on the tv.
And on the TV was the menu of what was playing.
And one of those items was the movie Contact
with Jodi Foster.
So I instantly saw that really famous scene, where
she arrives in the other dimension and she's on a
beach that isn't really a beach, and there's her
father that isn't really her father coming down the beach.
And then they have the most significant conversation
in the whole film.
And I saw that whole scene in my mind.
And then I turned to the film and that exact scene
had just started playing.
And I thought, that's too weird.
So I felt hi guys.
I just felt like it was a hello from them because the
fact that I would be the day before going, the night before
going to a UFO conference Contact would be on tv.
Then I see that scene in my mind, and then that's
the exact scene that's playing on television from
the minute that it started.
It was just too funny.
And so I felt like that was them saying hello.
Maybe it wasn't, but I feel like it was, cause I don't
know how else to explain that little string of coincidences.
And then and then a couple of days after I got back
from the conference, I got a message from my psychic
friend who was validating again, what I had experienced.
It was really, it's really something, how it occurs.
It's really something.
And it's really fun.
And it's also, really expansive and exciting and
wonderful in many ways that are very meaningful to me.
But it's also important really important to stay grounded in
this reality and not get too caught up because both are
real and we have to straddle both, I think, in order to
handle it all effectively.
Rod Bland: I was just thinking, when you asked
for, one of the visitors to show up, my first inclination
was they had to do the energy merge to lift your
vibration high enough so that you could see them and
that they actually exist in a, at a vibration level
that we gen we just can't see normally then that's
why they had to do that.
So that you could actually see that.
But the effect would only last for a certain period of time.
That was the first thing I thought of.
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah that, yeah.
That would make sense to me that they were helping
me level up vibrationally or something so that I
can have more contact.
I really hope so.
I hope I have more and more.
I hope I have it for the rest of my life.
I really do.
Rod Bland: You're almost due, aren't you?
Cuz it's like middle of June, 2023.
You were saying it's every two years, so
should be pretty soon.
Sinead Whelehan: We'll see what happens.
If something happens, I will let you know.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Yeah, I'd love to hear it.
All right.
People are probably gonna have questions maybe you'll
come back for a live stream.
I often have guests come back for that.
But if anyone wants to ask you questions, is that
something that you're open to?
And what's the best way for them to do that?
Sinead Whelehan: Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So they can email me.
That's really the best way to do it.
It's my first name, Sade, s i n e a d, and
then my middle initial a and my last initial W.
So sineadaw@gmail.com.
Rod Bland: All right, cool.
And do you have any final messages for
people who are watching this interview Sinéad?
Sinead Whelehan: Oh.
What's coming to the top of my head is be curious.
Be curious, keep learning, keep being curious, keep
exploring, because it's really important in so many
different ways to do that, not just for the paranormal
or for extraterrestrials or for cosmic topics.
But just for ordinary human life, I think it's really
important in terms of connecting with each other
in a really meaningful, heart-based, compassionate,
non-judgmental way to to be genuinely curious about each
other rather than judging, or rather than seeing each
other as being separate, to be curious and to ask about other
people's experiences of life.
So yeah, I think I would leave it at that.
It may seem like a small, obvious thing, but to me
curiosity is incredibly important and a willingness
to be adventurous within that curiosity as well.
Rod Bland: Sinéad, thank you for that message,
and thank you also for being my guest today.
Sinead Whelehan: Thank you so much for having me, Rod.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much.