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Sinead Whelehan: And so
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gradually this mist, which
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background of the hedge.

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the misty filled in misty
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being that was about seven,
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long thin legs.

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And I could see everything.

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I could see the full
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body, the head, the neck.

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Rod Bland: My guest today
is Sinéad Whelehan although,

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uh, who, although you may
not realize it is profoundly

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deaf and has experienced
paranormal phenomena

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since the age of four.

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She had her first conscious
encounter with the

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visitors or as some prefer
extraterrestrials in 2017,

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and these contact encounters
have continued since then.

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Sinéad has worked as a
research and interview

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assistant for the renowned UFO
researcher, Grant Cameron for

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two years, and is currently
assisting Barbara Lamb who

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specializes in Q H H T and
regression therapy with people

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who experience encounters.

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Sinéad welcome and
thank you so much for

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coming on the show.

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Sinead Whelehan: Oh, thank you
so much for having me, Rod.

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I've been looking
forward to it.

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Rod Bland: Yeah, me too.

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Sinéad normally at this
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some background about their
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paranormal experience,
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early at the age of four.

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How about we start there?

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Sinead Whelehan: Sure.

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This is an experience I
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anything of except that
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my memory and into my senses

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as well, in a way that made
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something that had really
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Enough that I remembered it
over and over and over again.

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And it was almost like,
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just something about it.

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I'm supposed to keep my
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remember that this happened.

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So then years later when I
actually very not that long

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ago now in 2019, when I met
Grant Cameron and I started

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talking to him about my
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had very, at that point,
very recently happened.

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He was the one who said
to me hang on a second.

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When did you really
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You know, I sort of, kind
of  I backward mapping

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my life and it really
all started at this point

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when I was four years old.

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So there were three things
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that were a big deal.

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One of them was that I
got my first hearing aid.

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I was diagnosed with
hearing loss and given

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my first hearing aid.

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And so my sensory experience
of the world became a

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lot more interactive,
more keen, more vibrant.

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level that it had not been
quite awake on before.

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with fever, but I felt
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I didn't feel sick at all.

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I felt actually probably
the best I've ever felt.

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That's also something
I've remembered over and

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over again ever since
thinking, that really was

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an interesting experience
because I felt very sharply

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aware and very sharply keen.

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About everything that was
in my environment and every

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sensory experience that I
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which was just my bedroom,
that it just felt that

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much more, I don't know
hyper alive, the color,

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the textures, the scent,
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It just was very keen and
very sharp and clear to me.

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I felt like I was very
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very aware of everything.

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night just had this really
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compulsion that I should try
sleeping with my feet where my

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head usually was and my head,
where my feet usually were.

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oh, okay, this is a

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little bit funny, but
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bed and I remember as I was

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about to get into the bed
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down, I remember feeling
there's something about

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this doesn't feel good.

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Like I feel this
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fear, a little bit of

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apprehension, and yet I felt
compelled no, I have to do

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this for whatever reason.

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So my father said goodnight
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like there was something
going on, and it, the

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first thing I noticed
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in the room changed.

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in the room changed.

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And then what happened was
it was the funniest, oddest

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experience because it, it
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I actually felt it and my
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All the hairs on my arms
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were standing straight up.

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being breathing, at

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the back of my head.

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there, just like as if

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there was a real person, a
real human being behind me.

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It was that clear, that
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at me and it started fading

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out of the wall because my bed
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so it was right up against
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to the wall at this point.

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felt very alive and aware,
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conscious that I was there
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deliberately for some purpose.

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laughing at me and I felt like

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the laughter was mocking me,
and that scared me even more.

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so to speak, and turned
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if something was there.

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nothing there, but I

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just knew that what had
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being locked into this fear.

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auditory experience.

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I felt the being fading
through the wall, going

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outside, but still being
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the wall as if there was
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sky still laughing and
then just disappeared.

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So the only thing that I've
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to me about what explained
that was actually as a

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result of doing the interview
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saw, or Jeff, the Jeff
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And someone wrote in the
comment that they had

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heard of this happening
with elementals, that

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elementals can have that
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they'll try to spook you
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any harm by it.

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come through walls.

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That's very common
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And that they will, say or do
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I grew up in a family where
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me about fairies and elves
to encourage my imagination

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right and to, to give me
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magic when I was a kid.

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in real life, or elves in
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something I'd ever said.

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thing happened, I ran down
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Ran down the stairs,
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Very scared, and they were
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It's a bad dream.

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dreamt that this had happened.

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I don't blame them for that.

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I would've thought the same
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I knew I had been wide awake
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in my regular position
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The atmosphere in the room
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I was, 4, kids have
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I thought, wow, I had a

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really active imagination.

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me feel like, no, there's
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vividly, but that really
stayed with me, through my

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teen years, my twenties, my
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many times, and so I knew
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but I didn't know why.

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It was just this feeling
that there's something

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about this I need to know.

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So I still don't have any
answers about it, but I do

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feel like that experience
somehow broke something

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open or made a crack occur
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feeling different after that.

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I had a different
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I felt like, maybe there
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on that we don't understand.

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I, my skin crawled
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Cause I thought, whoa,
that, that's actually,

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that makes a lot of sense.

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The other thing that, that
let's call it the trickster

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reminds me of is when
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experiences with DMT, with
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the machine elves.

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encountered these little
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such a common theme, but
it does make me wonder

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whether they just have a
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visitor experiences where
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meaning as harm, but some
people actually are harmed

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and have these horrifying
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don't have emotions that work
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to them it was like they

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were just having some fun,
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terrifying at the time.

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I agree with that.

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It makes me think of, this
is the analogy, an analogy

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I've used before to try to
explain that kind of thing.

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Perhaps even when it comes
to extraterrestrial abduction

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situations, although I
would never try to define

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that experience, cause
I've never had that happen.

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But I know there are many
people who really feel

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this has happened to them.

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But I imagine it to be
something like you take

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your animals to the vet,
you have pets that you

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love and you care for.

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And they need to be seen by
a vet every once in a while

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or by some kind of animal
doctor, homeopathic or

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whatever your preference is.

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And so you need to bring
them into this other

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place, take them out of the
environment that they know,

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which is very controlled,
for cats especially.

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And you take them out of
this environment, you put

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them into a box and you take
them someplace that looks,

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smells, and sounds completely
unfamiliar, where there's a

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whole bunch of sensory input
that is really overwhelming.

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And then they get
poked and prodded.

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They're on a long
silver table.

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There's a lot of white
lights, and bright white walls

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and huge beings they don't
recognize poking at them.

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There really is a lot that
is similar to what you just

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said in terms of people
having paranormal experiences.

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And of course when we take
our animals to the vet,

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it's for their good, it's
for their best interest.

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We wanna take care of them,
we wanna make sure they're

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healthy, we want them to
be looked after properly.

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In their experience that's not
what's happening necessarily.

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They could be completely
freaked out feeling like

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their space is being invaded
or they don't understand

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what's going on or whatever.

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But we know that this is
for their good, yet that's

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not their experience.

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So to me that is a very common
experience with a lot of

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people who have paranormal
things happen to them,

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especially if they appear
to be scary or foreboding

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or, just in some way dark or
whatever you wanna call it.

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It is interesting how these
things occur because there are

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lots of patterns and there are
lots of ways in which people's

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paranormal experiences
are connected across the

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world and through history.

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Many similarities.

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A remarkable number of them
actually, through time,

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regardless of background,
culture, religion, whatever.

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At the same time, there's
so many in anomalies and

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there's so many ways that
they come through that are,

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very individual for people and
very personal for people as

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well, which is the part that
I find really fascinating.

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The personal part, because
that to me is what lends

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to, what I think personally,
this is all about of hu human

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evolution, like the evolution
of our consciousness.

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I don't think that
we are our bodies.

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I don't think that this is
the only life we ever get.

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And I think all these
experiences are here

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for a purpose, just like
everything else is here

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for a purpose, which is to
benefit us in some way if we

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are able to make use of it.

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And I'm not saying it's
all positive, everyone has

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different experiences, but for
me, it's only been positive.

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I've definitely benefited
from that and I think a lot

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of it has also to do with
mindset and perspective.

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What we draw towards us.

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I think we have some control
over that and we have some

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choice and decision also
with how we address things

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that happen to us that we may
not be drawing towards us.

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We still have a choice
with how we respond to that

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and what we choose to take
from it to grow, right?

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I don't know, it just lends
to a whole bigger conversation

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about, sorry, about what
we're doing here and our

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purpose on earth and our,
the purpose of human life.

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Rod Bland: So when you
said you were, it was like

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you were cracked open.

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It sounds to me it's a bit
like for all the near death

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experiences that I've had on
the channel, there's, for the

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majority of them, something
was opened in a similar way,

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and to me it seems almost
like you now have access

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to get sensory input from
different levels of vibration.

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The way I think about it
now is that, as a general

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human experience you can
experience things at certain

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vibrations, to do with our
sight and sound, et cetera.

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But there are other different
wavelengths of vibration

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that we don't have access
to that are more in the

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non-physical realities.

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And it's like somehow you got
a tune up, and this is what

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happens to people when they
have a near death experience,

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a lot of 'em get a tune up
and now suddenly they are

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much more aware of things
that the everyday person

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is completely blind to.

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I think that's what's
happened with you.

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Does that make sense?

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Sinead Whelehan:
It does make sense.

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Yeah.

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I would agree with
that for sure.

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That's interesting to hear.

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It's also interesting to
hear how, my story, just like

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anyone's story, how it lands
from people, because with

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anything that we experience,
I think there's multiple

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ways of looking at it, right?

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For some people my
story is too far out.

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It's just way too far out.

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It's too woo,
it's too whatever.

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That's fine.

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I totally understand that.

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Other people think this
is, exactly like them.

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It validates their experience.

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They get support
by hearing it.

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That's wonderful.

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But I think, with telling
stories, it's not even for

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it to be understood and heard
and accepted by everyone

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because it's just not going
to be, it's rather to push

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boundaries a little bit, make
people a little uncomfortable,

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and, also share things
that are of value I feel

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to other people who I also
benefit from when they share.

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Like just spreading this
kind of conversation and

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this kind of thinking because
life is about so much more.

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It just, it's about a lot more
than I ever thought it was.

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And I thought that
was complete bull.

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I really did.

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I thought that a lot of things
that I have now directly

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experienced I thought were
complete nonsense and that

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wasn't exactly accurate.

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Do I completely
understand all of it?

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No, but it's helpful to me
when people like you give

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me feedback like that.

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It helps me to understand
a bit more about what is

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landing for other people,
what's translating and

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then that helps me with
digesting my own story too.

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Rod Bland: Yeah.

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Yeah, totally.

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So I wanted to get into
your ET experiences that

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began in 2017, but did
you have anything else

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paranormal occur after your
initial experience at four?

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Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.

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I did and I just didn't
realize what they were.

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I really was very disconnected
from myself and I think

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that's common for a lot
of people, considering the

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conditioning and the messages
that we're given in society

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and culture about what's
okay, what's not okay.

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So yes, I did, but nothing
that I can say, this was

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amazing because for the simple
reason that I wasn't really

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able to pay attention to them.

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But they they landed, I
definitely, oh, actually

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there is one that I could
mention which was between

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the ages of nine and 11, I
got a whole bunch of, the

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best word I can f I have been
able to find, to describe

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the experience is downloads.

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And that was actually huge.

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I was wrong.

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There were a lot of
things that happened

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that were impactful.

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It's funny how you forget
these things sometimes because

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there's a lot of trying to
figure it all out and it's not

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necessarily in a linear way.

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Anyway, so when I was nine,
about a, about age nine to age

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11, I had these many downloads
that a lot of which would

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happen, most of which would
happen in the doorway between

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my kitchen, where I would eat
breakfast every morning at

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the back of the house looking
out into our back garden.

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That doorway that
went from the kitchen

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into the living room.

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For some reason it would
happen in the doorway.

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And now I think
that's interesting.

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Back then, I didn't think
anything of it at all.

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I just would feel like
I had to stop in the

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doorway and then I would
just get this download.

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And it was, in my mind,
it looked like a tube of

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light, which is weirdly
stereotypical, but

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honestly, this is what
it felt like in my mind.

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This tube of light and then
this concept that was not

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a normal concept for a nine
year old to come up with

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would just arrive in my mind.

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And it was a complete
whole concept and I would

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completely understand it.

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And there was also this
experience of there being what

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I call, I can't find a better
term for this or I haven't

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yet front me and back me.

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So front me was, nine year
old me who had just had

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oatmeal for breakfast and was
wearing jeans and a t-shirt

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and was getting ready to go
to school at nine, nine year

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old me that was in the 3d.

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Firmly in this
dimension, right?

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This reality.

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Back me was also me, but
understood absolutely

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everything that was going on.

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And I was aware of feeling
that in the moment that I

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would have these downloads,
there's a part of me that's

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this is just happening.

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Okay?

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It doesn't feel bad.

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It actually feels really good.

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Wow, this concept is
really interesting.

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This is really neat.

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But then I would have
to just continue on

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with my day, right?

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Because I would be literally
about to leave for school

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and I had to function and
my mom is hollering at me

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from the front door and my
little brother is there and

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there's lunch bags and shoes
and we gotta go, right?

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But then back me was in no
rush, and she just was able to

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fully integrate and understand
what was going on, and I was

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aware of her understanding
it, and I was also aware

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of me having to go ahead to
function in my daily life.

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Does that make sense?

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Rod Bland: That
is so interesting.

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So there's a few things
that I noticed there.

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The downloads.

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I dunno if you've read any
of Robert Munroe's books.

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Journeys out of the Body
was the first one he wrote.

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He wrote three
different books.

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Robert Monroe founded
the Monroe Institute,

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which is in Virginia.

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Yes.

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And so he obviously, he
documented his experiences.

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That was what his
books were all about.

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And he talked about rotes.

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So rotes were like,
packets of information

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that contained everything.

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So when he was in a
non-physical reality, then he

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would be given these rotes.

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And you can imagine the way
I imagine it was like a kind

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of a ball gets thrown at you
and the ball unfurls into

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your mind and it contains
everything all at once.

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So it's information,
it's sensory input it's

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a whole bunch of stuff
all at the same time.

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So that's what I heard
when you were talking about

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getting those downloads.

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And the doorway, it's
almost like it was a portal.

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There was something different
about the vibration of space

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and time in that particular
spot that allowed that to,

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to occur in that particular
place, which is pretty,

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pretty unreal, right?

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Sinead Whelehan: Yeah I still
am puzzled by that as well.

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And, I used to have another
experience that I would,

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was wrong because I do
remember this after age

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four, which was having,
this happened several times.

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I would say this happened
maybe around seven or

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eight times in total.

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That's in my memory
from long ago.

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But I can remember
seven or eight times.

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There was one time
in particular.

484
00:21:01,877 --> 00:21:04,277
And so what would happen
was I would see the future,

485
00:21:04,337 --> 00:21:08,327
basically, I would get
this image very clear,

486
00:21:08,327 --> 00:21:11,477
very detailed image in my
mind of something totally

487
00:21:11,477 --> 00:21:12,767
ordinary, just a scene.

488
00:21:12,827 --> 00:21:12,857
Okay.

489
00:21:13,367 --> 00:21:15,617
And usually it would have
people I knew or someone

490
00:21:15,617 --> 00:21:18,977
I knew in this scene doing
something completely normal.

491
00:21:19,157 --> 00:21:22,102
And then I would have
this feeling when this

492
00:21:22,102 --> 00:21:25,732
would occur as if really
as if time would freeze.

493
00:21:26,602 --> 00:21:28,012
So time would freeze.

494
00:21:28,402 --> 00:21:31,042
I would see this image,
I would have this sort of

495
00:21:31,042 --> 00:21:35,162
electrical feeling, this
distinct feeling, almost like

496
00:21:35,222 --> 00:21:38,132
having touched an electric
fence or something like that.

497
00:21:38,792 --> 00:21:42,302
And then, and they would
unfreeze and the feeling

498
00:21:42,317 --> 00:21:44,597
would start to go, the
electrical feeling.

499
00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:48,977
And then later on, at some
point that exact scene would

500
00:21:48,977 --> 00:21:53,657
appear in my actual life, like
down to the tiniest detail.

501
00:21:54,227 --> 00:21:57,707
And so this happened once
when I was sitting next to my

502
00:21:57,737 --> 00:22:01,487
half aunt, my mother's half
sister on a bench in a park.

503
00:22:01,667 --> 00:22:03,737
She actually lived in
Australia for a number of

504
00:22:03,742 --> 00:22:04,997
years, for about 30 years.

505
00:22:05,597 --> 00:22:07,567
And this is the first
time that I realized that

506
00:22:07,567 --> 00:22:10,297
there's a lineage of women
on my mother's side of the

507
00:22:10,297 --> 00:22:12,037
family who have abilities.

508
00:22:12,367 --> 00:22:15,457
And I never thought to
tell my mother any of the

509
00:22:15,457 --> 00:22:17,257
things that were happening
to me prior to this.

510
00:22:17,257 --> 00:22:19,447
I was 11 years old, 10
or 11 at this point.

511
00:22:20,017 --> 00:22:21,937
So I'm sitting next to
the bench, next to my aunt

512
00:22:21,937 --> 00:22:24,007
on the bench and I had
this experience where I

513
00:22:24,007 --> 00:22:27,187
realized, oh my gosh, that's
exactly what I saw it.

514
00:22:27,247 --> 00:22:30,487
I'm seeing in real life what I
saw, whatever two months ago.

515
00:22:31,267 --> 00:22:33,757
And it was happening
in front of me with my

516
00:22:33,757 --> 00:22:35,017
brother on a seesaw.

517
00:22:35,017 --> 00:22:36,957
And the tree is
blowing a certain way.

518
00:22:36,957 --> 00:22:39,267
My brother wearing certain
clothes and his leg

519
00:22:39,627 --> 00:22:40,827
falling off the seesaw.

520
00:22:40,827 --> 00:22:41,997
And it in a certain
way, it was just

521
00:22:41,997 --> 00:22:43,287
exactly what I had seen.

522
00:22:43,707 --> 00:22:46,527
And I got this jolt of
a bit of shock from it.

523
00:22:46,707 --> 00:22:51,667
And my aunt noticed and
she looked at me and she

524
00:22:51,667 --> 00:22:53,137
asked me if I was all right.

525
00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:55,207
And I looked at her
and I realized, oh

526
00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:56,707
my God, she knows.

527
00:22:57,217 --> 00:22:59,707
It was this major moment
of validation for me.

528
00:22:59,897 --> 00:23:00,582
Huge moment.

529
00:23:00,587 --> 00:23:02,862
And I've talked with her
about it since in recent years

530
00:23:02,862 --> 00:23:05,512
and told her how important
that moment was to me.

531
00:23:06,052 --> 00:23:08,962
And she said, don't worry.

532
00:23:09,052 --> 00:23:11,122
She didn't even, I think she
asked me what had happened

533
00:23:11,122 --> 00:23:14,122
and I tried to explain
it the best that I could.

534
00:23:14,122 --> 00:23:15,052
I don't know what I said.

535
00:23:15,742 --> 00:23:17,482
And then she
said, don't worry.

536
00:23:17,482 --> 00:23:18,052
It's okay.

537
00:23:18,057 --> 00:23:19,822
This runs in our
family, it's okay.

538
00:23:20,752 --> 00:23:23,212
And then my fear
about it was gone.

539
00:23:24,202 --> 00:23:26,042
And I didn't know what it was.

540
00:23:26,042 --> 00:23:27,152
I didn't know what
was happening.

541
00:23:27,152 --> 00:23:29,192
I didn't know how to make
any sense of it at all.

542
00:23:29,792 --> 00:23:32,702
But I just felt very reassured
by knowing that someone

543
00:23:32,702 --> 00:23:35,402
in my family recognized
what was happening in that

544
00:23:35,402 --> 00:23:38,432
moment without me having to
say anything and knew just

545
00:23:38,432 --> 00:23:39,512
the right thing to say.

546
00:23:39,512 --> 00:23:43,462
And it was so reassuring,
so I did have a few key

547
00:23:43,702 --> 00:23:46,462
moments of experiences after
age four, that's for sure.

548
00:23:46,562 --> 00:23:48,542
And then for a long
time, absolutely nothing,

549
00:23:49,242 --> 00:23:50,172
that I was aware of.

550
00:23:50,232 --> 00:23:52,542
I was very unhappy
for a long time.

551
00:23:53,052 --> 00:23:56,232
And then in 2017, it
all started to change.

552
00:23:57,142 --> 00:23:58,492
Rod Bland: I think you
said something very

553
00:23:58,492 --> 00:24:00,262
pertinent there was that
you were very unhappy.

554
00:24:00,262 --> 00:24:02,839
So, If I think about that in
terms of vibration, so your

555
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:04,309
vibration was quite low.

556
00:24:04,879 --> 00:24:07,609
So in my mind it stands to
reason that your access to

557
00:24:07,609 --> 00:24:10,789
these different other higher
levels of vibration, you

558
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:11,899
just weren't able to connect.

559
00:24:11,899 --> 00:24:13,839
Cuz you weren't tuned
on that frequency.

560
00:24:13,849 --> 00:24:14,869
There was something
you said about your

561
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:16,369
front me and back me.

562
00:24:16,629 --> 00:24:20,319
The way I understood that was
so front you is the you that's

563
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:24,679
here and, everybody's got
their own concept about this,

564
00:24:24,684 --> 00:24:27,799
but mine is that there's a
greater part of us in, we will

565
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:31,279
call it an oversoul for want
of a better word that exists

566
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:32,989
outside of time and space.

567
00:24:33,379 --> 00:24:36,239
And it was like I certainly
don't have awareness of this,

568
00:24:36,239 --> 00:24:38,819
but I've met people and I
think you're included is

569
00:24:38,824 --> 00:24:43,109
that you have an awareness
of this greater other part

570
00:24:43,114 --> 00:24:45,599
of yourself that exists
outside of this reality

571
00:24:46,029 --> 00:24:48,039
which you called back me.

572
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:51,459
And so there is no
time in that place

573
00:24:51,459 --> 00:24:53,739
where back me exists.

574
00:24:54,219 --> 00:24:57,429
So it sounds like you had
this, you were able to divide

575
00:24:57,429 --> 00:25:00,369
your focus between the two and
even actually have a point of

576
00:25:00,369 --> 00:25:01,959
focus in both places at once.

577
00:25:02,349 --> 00:25:05,259
This is something that Tom
Campbell, the author of My

578
00:25:05,259 --> 00:25:08,989
Big Toe talks about where,
and he was also a graduate of

579
00:25:08,989 --> 00:25:13,369
the the Monroe Institute where
the ability to shift focus

580
00:25:13,369 --> 00:25:15,829
from this physical reality
to a different reality.

581
00:25:15,834 --> 00:25:17,659
And then over time he
learned how to just

582
00:25:17,659 --> 00:25:19,579
really just divide his
consciousness between the two.

583
00:25:19,584 --> 00:25:20,479
And I think he
still does that.

584
00:25:20,479 --> 00:25:23,329
I don't think he talks about
it a great deal, but he exists

585
00:25:23,329 --> 00:25:24,769
in two separate realities.

586
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:27,019
He's got his current
consciousness and then the

587
00:25:27,019 --> 00:25:28,969
other consciousness that
exists outside of that.

588
00:25:28,969 --> 00:25:30,399
He can be having a
completely different

589
00:25:30,399 --> 00:25:31,359
experience conversation.

590
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,939
And he's able to hold the,
both in the space of his

591
00:25:33,939 --> 00:25:35,199
mind at the same time.

592
00:25:35,964 --> 00:25:37,224
Sinead Whelehan: That
makes a lot of sense to me.

593
00:25:37,224 --> 00:25:40,884
Especially I'm very
curious about what's the

594
00:25:40,884 --> 00:25:43,494
newest thing that's being
learned or explored in

595
00:25:43,494 --> 00:25:45,594
science, for example, and
one of those things is

596
00:25:45,594 --> 00:25:47,004
multidimensionality, right?

597
00:25:47,004 --> 00:25:50,334
Quantum physicists are
really deeply exploring that.

598
00:25:50,334 --> 00:25:51,864
It's a very real possibility.

599
00:25:51,864 --> 00:25:53,239
How does that fit into it?

600
00:25:53,299 --> 00:25:56,919
And then how does the concept
of the higher self in terms

601
00:25:56,919 --> 00:26:00,699
of all of us being, I mean,
this is a concept that's in,

602
00:26:00,819 --> 00:26:03,159
essentially in every single
religion in the world, which

603
00:26:03,159 --> 00:26:04,089
I think is fascinating.

604
00:26:04,094 --> 00:26:05,619
Even though they all think
that they're the right

605
00:26:05,624 --> 00:26:08,259
one and that they all
have the right answer,

606
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,359
they all are essentially
saying the same things.

607
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,239
And one, one of them
is, we are all God or

608
00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:14,769
God is in us, right?

609
00:26:14,769 --> 00:26:18,549
God is inside us, and yet we
are also human and not God.

610
00:26:19,449 --> 00:26:23,199
So that's exactly the
same thing as people in

611
00:26:23,204 --> 00:26:25,779
the spiritual community
saying we are all one.

612
00:26:25,869 --> 00:26:27,309
We are all
connected to source.

613
00:26:27,309 --> 00:26:28,809
We are all connected
to the universe.

614
00:26:28,809 --> 00:26:30,459
We are all connected
to whatever you wanna

615
00:26:30,459 --> 00:26:31,539
call it, the everything.

616
00:26:31,899 --> 00:26:33,279
Yet we are also individual.

617
00:26:33,609 --> 00:26:35,809
It is both, right?

618
00:26:35,809 --> 00:26:40,369
And plus I really, the more
I live, the more I really

619
00:26:40,369 --> 00:26:43,849
firmly believe that we
live in a dimension that

620
00:26:43,849 --> 00:26:45,169
is made up of duality.

621
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:47,089
I think absolutely
everything in this

622
00:26:47,089 --> 00:26:48,319
dimension is dualistic.

623
00:26:48,919 --> 00:26:50,839
And so that includes
ourselves, right?

624
00:26:50,844 --> 00:26:52,399
And includes our experiences.

625
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:57,019
That is, I think the
whole, the W H O L E of our

626
00:26:57,024 --> 00:26:59,659
lives, of our experience
here is all of it.

627
00:27:00,379 --> 00:27:03,449
So there's, so I'm
getting a little bit

628
00:27:03,449 --> 00:27:04,379
off on a tangent here.

629
00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:07,559
It just, it connects
to everything.

630
00:27:07,589 --> 00:27:08,909
That's how I look
at it, right?

631
00:27:08,914 --> 00:27:10,744
These experiences that
we're talking about in this

632
00:27:10,744 --> 00:27:14,914
conversation that we're having
seems to be very specific and

633
00:27:14,914 --> 00:27:18,364
for certain audience and only
applies to a certain field.

634
00:27:18,739 --> 00:27:22,669
But it actually connects to so
many other things that, like

635
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:25,639
quantum physics, like current
science, like what's happening

636
00:27:25,639 --> 00:27:26,959
with psychedelics, right?

637
00:27:27,589 --> 00:27:29,869
There's psychedelics
are now being taken very

638
00:27:29,869 --> 00:27:34,069
seriously by really reputable
researchers, scientists,

639
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,939
schools of medicine,
universities, laboratories.

640
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,464
It just connects to so many
other parts of our lives

641
00:27:40,464 --> 00:27:42,234
and I find that really
fascinating and that's one

642
00:27:42,234 --> 00:27:44,274
of the downloads that I
got when I was nine, was

643
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,314
about interconnectedness.

644
00:27:46,494 --> 00:27:50,454
They gave it to me, whoever
they are, gave it to me by

645
00:27:50,484 --> 00:27:53,964
showing me that the act of
me eating breakfast at the

646
00:27:53,964 --> 00:27:57,334
table that morning, it was
going to affect a child.

647
00:27:57,334 --> 00:27:59,854
And I saw this other child
in my head sitting at

648
00:27:59,854 --> 00:28:02,614
their table somewhere in
Africa, in a country, in

649
00:28:02,619 --> 00:28:07,504
Africa, and I just knew that
somehow that idea was true.

650
00:28:07,804 --> 00:28:08,674
It just made sense.

651
00:28:08,794 --> 00:28:11,884
I saw it as this kind of
ripple of endless, tiny

652
00:28:11,884 --> 00:28:12,934
little after effects.

653
00:28:13,934 --> 00:28:15,704
That would make it all
the way across to that

654
00:28:15,704 --> 00:28:16,934
other child in Africa.

655
00:28:17,264 --> 00:28:18,844
And we're not aware of that.

656
00:28:18,934 --> 00:28:20,974
But it, I really think
that's true, right?

657
00:28:20,974 --> 00:28:25,534
Like we send out signals,
vibrations, and impacts on

658
00:28:25,539 --> 00:28:28,684
our environment every single
day that are so tiny that

659
00:28:28,689 --> 00:28:29,704
we don't think about them.

660
00:28:30,184 --> 00:28:32,464
It's very energetic,
it's very minute.

661
00:28:32,764 --> 00:28:35,304
But this has been proven
with, in so many different

662
00:28:35,304 --> 00:28:37,344
kinds of studies, how
important vibration and

663
00:28:37,344 --> 00:28:40,674
energy is like with the water
molecule studies by that

664
00:28:40,674 --> 00:28:43,314
wonderful Japanese scientist
who I'm now forgetting.

665
00:28:43,374 --> 00:28:45,974
Oh my gosh, Mishiko.

666
00:28:46,964 --> 00:28:49,604
Oh gosh, I'm
blanking on his name.

667
00:28:50,054 --> 00:28:51,374
Anyway, it just

668
00:28:51,389 --> 00:28:51,809
Rod Bland: one you mean.

669
00:28:52,724 --> 00:28:54,014
Sinead Whelehan:
thank, yes, thank you.

670
00:28:54,014 --> 00:28:57,014
Just that these conversations
seem to be so esoteric,

671
00:28:57,074 --> 00:28:58,934
but I'm not actually
sure they really are.

672
00:28:59,034 --> 00:29:03,049
They seem to be supported
more and more by what's

673
00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:07,939
happening at the forefront
of science, medicine earth

674
00:29:07,944 --> 00:29:10,789
sciences, botanicals, biology.

675
00:29:11,789 --> 00:29:12,059
Yeah.

676
00:29:12,059 --> 00:29:16,204
Just an endless number
of other ways that human

677
00:29:16,204 --> 00:29:19,744
intelligence, thought and
exploration is demonstrated.

678
00:29:19,744 --> 00:29:21,034
Did you find his name?

679
00:29:22,034 --> 00:29:23,204
Rod Bland: Yeah, it was Dr.

680
00:29:23,234 --> 00:29:24,944
Massaru Emoto.

681
00:29:25,874 --> 00:29:26,654
Sinead Whelehan: Oh yes.

682
00:29:26,724 --> 00:29:27,664
Rod Bland: Water
consciousness.

683
00:29:27,684 --> 00:29:27,894
Yeah.

684
00:29:27,894 --> 00:29:29,454
I haven't actually I've
heard about it, but I've

685
00:29:29,454 --> 00:29:31,224
never actually read that
study, but I will now.

686
00:29:31,734 --> 00:29:32,634
Sinead Whelehan: Oh,
it's fascinating.

687
00:29:32,784 --> 00:29:33,744
So fascinating.

688
00:29:34,104 --> 00:29:34,524
Yeah.

689
00:29:35,524 --> 00:29:38,764
There's so many things that
sound like complete bs.

690
00:29:38,794 --> 00:29:41,949
Send a thought out and
it'll do something.

691
00:29:42,069 --> 00:29:44,489
People go, oh yeah, if
you look at the science

692
00:29:44,879 --> 00:29:47,309
of what has project
achieved, they proved that

693
00:29:47,314 --> 00:29:51,419
it has an effect on actual
physical material, water.

694
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,779
It just, I find that really
fascinating that this kind

695
00:29:55,779 --> 00:29:58,809
of information comes up over
and over again in so many

696
00:29:58,809 --> 00:30:03,299
different ways, from a person
in Toronto, Canada, from to

697
00:30:03,299 --> 00:30:08,709
a person in Australia to just
so many other expressions

698
00:30:08,769 --> 00:30:12,789
of the fact that there is
more, there's just more

699
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:14,879
than we think to reality.

700
00:30:15,879 --> 00:30:16,749
Rod Bland: I completely agree.

701
00:30:17,019 --> 00:30:20,979
All right, so let's jump
forward to 2017, and I'm

702
00:30:21,159 --> 00:30:22,929
glad that you remembered
some things after the age of

703
00:30:22,929 --> 00:30:24,159
four, so that's really good.

704
00:30:24,499 --> 00:30:26,539
Yeah, tell me about this
is where things really

705
00:30:26,539 --> 00:30:27,499
changed a lot for you.

706
00:30:27,499 --> 00:30:28,219
It seems.

707
00:30:28,879 --> 00:30:29,599
Let's hear about that one.

708
00:30:30,099 --> 00:30:30,389
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.

709
00:30:30,449 --> 00:30:31,529
I was really struggling.

710
00:30:31,529 --> 00:30:36,939
I was really unhappy in my
life and I was really feeling

711
00:30:36,944 --> 00:30:38,319
very disconnected from myself.

712
00:30:38,324 --> 00:30:40,419
And for a very long time I
had been thinking, I wanna

713
00:30:40,419 --> 00:30:42,909
get back, I wanna get back
to how I was as a child.

714
00:30:43,209 --> 00:30:45,069
This became a really
big goal for me.

715
00:30:45,549 --> 00:30:48,699
And it kept almost inserting
itself into my thoughts.

716
00:30:48,699 --> 00:30:51,639
Almost like being tapped
on the shoulder by an

717
00:30:51,639 --> 00:30:53,739
insistent adult who's
looking out for you.

718
00:30:53,769 --> 00:30:54,759
Pay attention to this.

719
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:55,749
Pay attention to this.

720
00:30:55,959 --> 00:30:56,979
That's what it felt like.

721
00:30:57,009 --> 00:30:58,059
Don't forget about this.

722
00:30:58,059 --> 00:30:59,769
Don't forget about what
you used to be able to

723
00:30:59,769 --> 00:31:02,259
do, what you used to
be able to experience,

724
00:31:02,289 --> 00:31:03,519
what that felt like.

725
00:31:04,099 --> 00:31:05,299
That's really you.

726
00:31:05,569 --> 00:31:08,389
And so I always really
felt this feeling that

727
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:09,769
was really me, right?

728
00:31:09,769 --> 00:31:12,079
That space of where all those
things were really happening.

729
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:14,839
That's true me and I
needed to get back there.

730
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,739
So by the time 2017
rolled around, I was

731
00:31:18,739 --> 00:31:19,669
not in that place.

732
00:31:19,674 --> 00:31:21,949
I was feeling very
disconnected from myself.

733
00:31:21,949 --> 00:31:24,169
I was in a career that
was exhausting me.

734
00:31:24,219 --> 00:31:25,509
Teaching in public school.

735
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:27,549
And I love students
and I'm very passionate

736
00:31:27,549 --> 00:31:28,299
about education.

737
00:31:28,304 --> 00:31:31,529
I love kids, but the system
is exhausting for teachers

738
00:31:31,529 --> 00:31:32,279
and I'll leave it at that.

739
00:31:32,284 --> 00:31:34,529
So I was really
struggling with that.

740
00:31:34,534 --> 00:31:35,909
I was struggling in
my personal life.

741
00:31:35,914 --> 00:31:37,859
I was struggling with my
connection with myself.

742
00:31:38,354 --> 00:31:39,824
And I felt who am I?

743
00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:41,714
Like how did I get here?

744
00:31:41,814 --> 00:31:44,634
Why am how did I end up
in this place where I'm so

745
00:31:44,634 --> 00:31:47,964
unhappy and I don't know
who I am anymore or what I

746
00:31:47,969 --> 00:31:52,674
want, or, I don't enjoy my
life, I wanna get back there.

747
00:31:52,944 --> 00:31:54,024
How do I do this?

748
00:31:54,054 --> 00:31:57,494
And in a very synchronistic
kind of way, the opportunity

749
00:31:57,494 --> 00:32:00,314
to go to Peru came up,
and it all happened

750
00:32:00,314 --> 00:32:01,244
incredibly easily.

751
00:32:01,244 --> 00:32:02,629
It came together
really easily.

752
00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:06,469
And I ended up in
Peru in July of 2017.

753
00:32:07,339 --> 00:32:10,159
So basically I had many
experiences on that trip.

754
00:32:10,429 --> 00:32:14,359
On that three week trip to
Peru, I had many experiences

755
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,979
that were deeply spiritual.

756
00:32:17,089 --> 00:32:19,674
Felt somewhat, unusual.

757
00:32:19,674 --> 00:32:23,664
Were not just me wishing or
hoping or being blissed out

758
00:32:23,664 --> 00:32:25,734
by the beauty of the place
or something like that.

759
00:32:25,734 --> 00:32:28,764
It was really I felt like
something was happening

760
00:32:28,764 --> 00:32:30,444
to me and I felt myself.

761
00:32:30,774 --> 00:32:35,004
I felt very myself in a way I
had not felt for a long time.

762
00:32:35,274 --> 00:32:37,074
And I felt that pretty
much immediately after

763
00:32:37,074 --> 00:32:37,944
I got off the plane.

764
00:32:37,944 --> 00:32:39,564
And I couldn't understand why.

765
00:32:40,224 --> 00:32:41,604
I just felt great.

766
00:32:42,604 --> 00:32:44,944
As soon as I was in
Peru, I was on that land.

767
00:32:44,944 --> 00:32:46,744
I just felt wonderful.

768
00:32:46,804 --> 00:32:48,994
And it was not the
excitement of being on a trip

769
00:32:49,504 --> 00:32:51,664
because I'm a
seasoned traveler.

770
00:32:51,664 --> 00:32:54,334
It was something
about how I felt.

771
00:32:54,544 --> 00:32:56,344
And so then all kinds
of different things

772
00:32:56,344 --> 00:32:59,224
happened on that trip
to help me understand

773
00:32:59,224 --> 00:33:00,094
why I felt that way.

774
00:33:00,484 --> 00:33:02,914
And one of them was, and
this is the one that I had

775
00:33:02,914 --> 00:33:05,954
the hardest time digesting
because it just seems

776
00:33:05,954 --> 00:33:07,274
so completely out there.

777
00:33:07,484 --> 00:33:09,974
And a lot of people who hear
this story, they immediately

778
00:33:09,974 --> 00:33:12,554
think, oh, she was on drugs
and that's why this happened.

779
00:33:13,214 --> 00:33:14,144
It's not like that.

780
00:33:14,224 --> 00:33:16,714
It was involving Ayahuasca
and Ayahuasca retreat.

781
00:33:17,284 --> 00:33:20,404
And ayahuasca, if used
properly, like any other

782
00:33:20,404 --> 00:33:23,014
psychedelic, it can be
for very spiritual, very

783
00:33:23,014 --> 00:33:27,384
healing, very meaningful
experiences and transformative

784
00:33:27,389 --> 00:33:28,614
experiences for people.

785
00:33:28,644 --> 00:33:29,904
It's not a party drug.

786
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:31,464
It has been abused as such.

787
00:33:31,674 --> 00:33:32,664
It should not be.

788
00:33:32,664 --> 00:33:35,849
It should be respected
as being much, much more

789
00:33:35,999 --> 00:33:37,649
profound than a party drug.

790
00:33:37,649 --> 00:33:39,809
And so I am not somebody
who takes drugs.

791
00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:42,329
I just wanna say that cause
people comment on this

792
00:33:42,329 --> 00:33:44,969
literally, every time I talk
about this experience, this

793
00:33:44,969 --> 00:33:46,069
ends up in the comments.

794
00:33:46,579 --> 00:33:48,349
I think that's too bad
because people are missing

795
00:33:48,354 --> 00:33:51,139
out on a really incredible
tool for healing and for

796
00:33:51,144 --> 00:33:55,009
contact and for spiritual
development and many reasons.

797
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,929
And of course you need to be
responsible, in terms of how

798
00:33:57,929 --> 00:34:02,399
you go into the decision to
take something like ayahuasca,

799
00:34:02,489 --> 00:34:06,879
because it is very profound
and it's very impactful.

800
00:34:07,059 --> 00:34:09,549
Not for absolutely everyone,
but definitely for, I

801
00:34:09,549 --> 00:34:10,479
would say most people.

802
00:34:11,259 --> 00:34:14,619
So in any case, I had
researched very carefully this

803
00:34:14,619 --> 00:34:19,089
place, and I ended up at this
very bare bones rustic, very

804
00:34:19,089 --> 00:34:21,819
enmeshed with the land kind
of retreat center that was run

805
00:34:21,819 --> 00:34:23,649
by Peruvians, not Americans.

806
00:34:23,709 --> 00:34:25,479
So there's a lot of
American run retreat

807
00:34:25,479 --> 00:34:28,959
centers there that are bit
more trendy or faddish.

808
00:34:29,059 --> 00:34:31,999
If you go with the Peruvians,
you're more likely to get

809
00:34:32,539 --> 00:34:34,819
someone who's from the
lineage of shamans and who

810
00:34:34,819 --> 00:34:37,539
knows the history of how to
use the plant properly and

811
00:34:37,539 --> 00:34:39,579
with respect to the plant,
but they believe that it

812
00:34:39,579 --> 00:34:41,259
has a spirit and so do I.

813
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:43,574
I didn't believe that
before I took it though,

814
00:34:43,874 --> 00:34:44,684
or I wasn't sure.

815
00:34:45,044 --> 00:34:47,624
So anyway, I was really
unhappy and that is key

816
00:34:47,624 --> 00:34:51,734
because I think that, for
so many years I've been

817
00:34:51,734 --> 00:34:56,514
trying really hard to get
back to myself, to get back

818
00:34:56,519 --> 00:35:00,844
to this part of me that felt
like the truest me, right?

819
00:35:00,844 --> 00:35:04,034
The part that was able to
experience unusual things.

820
00:35:04,654 --> 00:35:07,534
For whatever reason, that
just is what felt right.

821
00:35:07,904 --> 00:35:10,214
And yet I was having a lot
of difficulty doing that

822
00:35:10,214 --> 00:35:14,184
because I was so mired in
my own, there was a bit of

823
00:35:14,214 --> 00:35:15,954
victim mentality going on.

824
00:35:16,014 --> 00:35:18,414
There was shame, there
was guilt, there was

825
00:35:18,414 --> 00:35:21,354
resentment, there was
anger, there was depression.

826
00:35:21,354 --> 00:35:23,664
There was just so
many fun emotions.

827
00:35:24,564 --> 00:35:29,774
And I really, was very deeply
in all of that and was not in

828
00:35:29,774 --> 00:35:32,294
a place where I was feeling
particularly positive.

829
00:35:32,299 --> 00:35:36,134
So the fact that I'd gotten
to Peru felt so good and

830
00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:40,274
so connected to myself and
to the land essentially

831
00:35:40,274 --> 00:35:42,854
as soon as I got there was
very encouraging for me.

832
00:35:42,859 --> 00:35:45,224
But I still went into the
experience of the retreat,

833
00:35:45,824 --> 00:35:48,944
really having no expectations
and absolutely no idea

834
00:35:48,974 --> 00:35:50,024
what was going to occur.

835
00:35:50,414 --> 00:35:52,754
So that's when I first
met extraterrestrials.

836
00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:56,654
And the reason I think
that's true is two things.

837
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:59,984
One is that I had several
things happen, which are too

838
00:35:59,984 --> 00:36:03,464
long to talk about, but I had
several things happen prior

839
00:36:03,464 --> 00:36:06,044
to this experience that made
me feel like something was

840
00:36:06,044 --> 00:36:09,834
coming or there was something
that was trying to reach me.

841
00:36:10,444 --> 00:36:13,504
And yet I kept dismissing
that's nonsense, that's

842
00:36:13,504 --> 00:36:14,494
ridiculous, right?

843
00:36:14,914 --> 00:36:18,374
But I kept having that
experience and so Ayahuasca

844
00:36:18,379 --> 00:36:22,224
is very powerful and so is
one's ego and so is one's

845
00:36:22,224 --> 00:36:24,894
victim mentality and so is
one's anger and resentment.

846
00:36:24,899 --> 00:36:26,784
That stuff is pretty
hard to work with if

847
00:36:26,784 --> 00:36:27,984
you're glued to it.

848
00:36:27,984 --> 00:36:30,234
We're stuck to it in
some way, which I was.

849
00:36:30,664 --> 00:36:34,444
I feel like I, the power of
ayahuasca and the innately

850
00:36:34,444 --> 00:36:38,884
healing and transformative
properties of and spirit

851
00:36:38,884 --> 00:36:43,024
of ayahuasca met this other
challenge full on and just,

852
00:36:43,524 --> 00:36:46,639
needed to bust through all of
that stuff to be able to get

853
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,729
to me, to help me with what I
wanted, which was to be back

854
00:36:49,729 --> 00:36:50,899
in touch with myself again.

855
00:36:51,289 --> 00:36:53,689
And to be back in touch with
the universe and to be able to

856
00:36:53,694 --> 00:36:57,559
feel that expansiveness that
I used to feel as a child.

857
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,769
And so I think that
this is the way that it

858
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:02,659
happened for that purpose.

859
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,439
And the other reason that
I think it's legitimate is

860
00:37:06,919 --> 00:37:09,139
they said to me at the end
of the experience, I said,

861
00:37:09,169 --> 00:37:10,369
this is your invitation.

862
00:37:11,369 --> 00:37:14,159
And at the time I
thought, wow, it's weird

863
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:15,149
that I made that up.

864
00:37:15,179 --> 00:37:16,349
Why would I make that up?

865
00:37:16,349 --> 00:37:17,279
I thought it was me.

866
00:37:17,339 --> 00:37:19,289
I thought that I had created
the whole experience.

867
00:37:19,289 --> 00:37:20,039
And that was another thing.

868
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:24,339
I was thinking, why, but why
would I choose UFOs and ET's?

869
00:37:24,989 --> 00:37:26,519
That doesn't make
any sense to me.

870
00:37:26,579 --> 00:37:29,399
I'm not involved
in UFOs or ET's.

871
00:37:29,399 --> 00:37:34,589
I'm not in, at this point,
in 2017 in ufology at all.

872
00:37:35,279 --> 00:37:38,729
Not reading about it, not
Googling it, not nothing,

873
00:37:38,939 --> 00:37:39,719
absolutely nothing.

874
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,589
So why that, and so
it just stuck with me.

875
00:37:44,589 --> 00:37:48,939
And then sure enough, in
2019, Things really blew open.

876
00:37:49,059 --> 00:37:51,699
And that's when I realized
that when they had said,

877
00:37:51,699 --> 00:37:54,489
this is your invitation,
they meant it because they

878
00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:56,019
kept showing up in 2019.

879
00:37:56,019 --> 00:37:59,739
That was my huge awakening,
which they validated for me

880
00:37:59,859 --> 00:38:03,329
in physical form several days
later when I asked for it in

881
00:38:03,329 --> 00:38:04,979
an absolutely undeniable way.

882
00:38:05,549 --> 00:38:07,949
And then they've been in my
life off and on ever since.

883
00:38:07,949 --> 00:38:08,969
How do you explain that?

884
00:38:08,969 --> 00:38:10,799
I've talked to a
psychiatrist about it,

885
00:38:10,799 --> 00:38:11,999
a psychologist about it.

886
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,769
There are people in my
family who, I know wouldn't

887
00:38:15,769 --> 00:38:16,969
have taken me seriously.

888
00:38:16,969 --> 00:38:18,849
And I was feeling like
I needed to be able to

889
00:38:18,849 --> 00:38:20,199
take myself seriously.

890
00:38:20,469 --> 00:38:23,589
I have questioned myself so
much about this and done so

891
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:27,699
much reading and talked to so
many people to make sure that

892
00:38:27,699 --> 00:38:30,699
I'm not creating this right.

893
00:38:30,999 --> 00:38:36,039
And the fact is validation
happens in a way that just

894
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,534
tells me over and over again
no, this really is real.

895
00:38:38,534 --> 00:38:39,374
It really is happening.

896
00:38:39,374 --> 00:38:41,924
Plus, meeting so many
other experiencers and

897
00:38:41,924 --> 00:38:44,504
hearing their stories
and the similarities with

898
00:38:44,504 --> 00:38:46,244
mine all around the world.

899
00:38:46,904 --> 00:38:48,524
It just makes more
and more sense to me.

900
00:38:49,024 --> 00:38:50,744
Rod Bland: I'm just trying
to connect the dots here.

901
00:38:50,744 --> 00:38:53,334
So you had your Ahuyusca
experience and that was

902
00:38:53,394 --> 00:38:55,014
where things opened up,
but there was something

903
00:38:55,014 --> 00:38:56,064
else that occurred there.

904
00:38:56,124 --> 00:38:58,374
Was that after that while
you were still in Peru?

905
00:38:58,874 --> 00:39:01,764
Sinead Whelehan: So I was
in Peru for three weeks.

906
00:39:01,769 --> 00:39:05,184
I had the Ayahuasca
experience there and then

907
00:39:05,244 --> 00:39:07,614
where I was very briefly
inside a U F O, met a whole

908
00:39:07,614 --> 00:39:09,894
bunch of extraterrestrials,
had a conversation with

909
00:39:09,899 --> 00:39:12,864
them and a bunch of
other things happened.

910
00:39:13,044 --> 00:39:15,804
But the main thing was
I met extraterrestrials

911
00:39:15,954 --> 00:39:16,944
and they said to me.

912
00:39:17,494 --> 00:39:20,194
They were just extremely
happy to see me.

913
00:39:20,224 --> 00:39:22,264
I think it was the
excitement of knowing I

914
00:39:22,264 --> 00:39:25,534
could see them and that
now we could communicate

915
00:39:25,594 --> 00:39:26,374
that was the feeling.

916
00:39:26,974 --> 00:39:30,634
So after that, went
home to Toronto.

917
00:39:31,634 --> 00:39:34,754
Spent a long time trying to
integrate what had happened

918
00:39:34,754 --> 00:39:38,484
and trying to understand
what had happened, but

919
00:39:38,484 --> 00:39:41,094
I was not believing that
had actually occurred.

920
00:39:41,154 --> 00:39:43,619
I thought that I had made
this up and this was somehow

921
00:39:44,009 --> 00:39:48,639
how my mind was expressing
itself, and that it was

922
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,909
reminding me to be unusual
and it was okay to be unusual.

923
00:39:51,909 --> 00:39:54,249
It was okay to be
interested in outer space,

924
00:39:54,249 --> 00:39:55,029
like that kind of stuff.

925
00:39:55,029 --> 00:39:57,159
I didn't know how else to
understand it at the time.

926
00:39:57,969 --> 00:40:02,439
So then got home felt really
great for quite a while.

927
00:40:02,439 --> 00:40:05,589
It really was an incredibly
healing experience for me

928
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:07,959
on the whole being in Peru
for those three weeks.

929
00:40:08,799 --> 00:40:10,869
Then I got depressed again
because of course I was

930
00:40:10,869 --> 00:40:11,919
back in my life, right?

931
00:40:11,919 --> 00:40:13,599
I was back in all the
things that had stressed

932
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:14,769
me out and made me tired.

933
00:40:14,769 --> 00:40:16,329
They were there, they
were still there.

934
00:40:17,229 --> 00:40:20,989
So then in 2019 I was
recovering from my second

935
00:40:20,994 --> 00:40:22,429
cochlear implant surgery.

936
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:25,159
And so I'm deaf and I have
two cochlear implants.

937
00:40:25,579 --> 00:40:27,889
The second surgery, it's
a, it's quite a big deal.

938
00:40:27,889 --> 00:40:30,709
They go into your inner
ear system and they implant

939
00:40:30,709 --> 00:40:34,329
a little magnet and they
thread a microfiber that

940
00:40:34,329 --> 00:40:36,549
has little elements on
it through your cochlea.

941
00:40:36,549 --> 00:40:37,899
It's a whole
complicated thing.

942
00:40:38,109 --> 00:40:41,174
It's amazing technology
that I'm very grateful for.

943
00:40:41,204 --> 00:40:43,704
And so I had this surgery
and I was recovering and

944
00:40:43,704 --> 00:40:47,544
I was dizzy pretty much
24 7 for about two weeks.

945
00:40:47,844 --> 00:40:49,134
So I couldn't do a lot.

946
00:40:49,254 --> 00:40:51,324
I was not able to be very
physical because I was too

947
00:40:51,329 --> 00:40:53,544
dizzy and I couldn't read
because I was too dizzy.

948
00:40:53,544 --> 00:40:56,994
So I was watching movies
and I just got incredibly

949
00:40:56,994 --> 00:40:59,154
bored of that after a
while and really wanted to

950
00:40:59,154 --> 00:41:00,174
see something different.

951
00:41:00,174 --> 00:41:04,344
And so I happened to stumble
upon Bob Lazar and Area 51.

952
00:41:04,884 --> 00:41:06,774
A documentary that's
made by Jeremy Corbel.

953
00:41:07,774 --> 00:41:09,224
Had never heard of Bob Lazar.

954
00:41:09,244 --> 00:41:13,324
Again, I was not in ufology
at all, and I think I had

955
00:41:13,329 --> 00:41:16,654
even forgotten about my Peru
experience at this point,

956
00:41:17,014 --> 00:41:19,294
cuz I had gotten right back
into depression and right

957
00:41:19,294 --> 00:41:20,434
back into being unhappy.

958
00:41:20,939 --> 00:41:23,244
It was still in my mind
somewhere, but it was not

959
00:41:23,244 --> 00:41:26,064
something I was actively
thinking about at this

960
00:41:26,064 --> 00:41:27,114
point two years later.

961
00:41:27,864 --> 00:41:32,024
And the Peru experience was
in July and August, 2017.

962
00:41:32,029 --> 00:41:33,944
This was also in July.

963
00:41:34,694 --> 00:41:38,804
In 2019, I watched
the documentary Bob

964
00:41:38,804 --> 00:41:40,154
Lazar in Area 51.

965
00:41:41,154 --> 00:41:46,404
It completely blew my mind
and this was my reaction to

966
00:41:46,409 --> 00:41:48,119
the film also surprised me.

967
00:41:48,299 --> 00:41:52,679
How strongly I reacted to the
film, how much I resonated

968
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,499
with him and with also
what he was talking about.

969
00:41:55,739 --> 00:41:57,029
How fascinated I was.

970
00:41:58,029 --> 00:42:00,879
I remember thinking to myself,
why do I feel like this?

971
00:42:00,879 --> 00:42:01,539
This is interesting.

972
00:42:01,539 --> 00:42:03,729
I'm feeling so strongly
about this, but I felt this

973
00:42:03,759 --> 00:42:07,809
excitement and was absolutely
enthralled the entire time.

974
00:42:07,809 --> 00:42:10,929
And then as soon as the
documentary is over, I crawled

975
00:42:10,929 --> 00:42:14,259
across the floor and turned
it off and boom, had my

976
00:42:14,259 --> 00:42:17,499
awakening experience, which
was inherently what felt

977
00:42:17,499 --> 00:42:20,649
like a whole bunch of, I, I
believe extraterrestrials.

978
00:42:20,649 --> 00:42:23,679
I couldn't see them, but
I'll explain why I thought

979
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:24,969
they were extraterrestrials.

980
00:42:24,969 --> 00:42:28,149
I just, first of all, in the
moment just knew, had this

981
00:42:28,149 --> 00:42:31,179
feeling of just knowing for
absolutely no reason that

982
00:42:31,184 --> 00:42:32,589
these were extraterrestrials.

983
00:42:32,769 --> 00:42:34,209
I could hear them
speaking to me.

984
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,919
I knew there was a
whole bunch of them.

985
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:37,689
It was not an actual voice.

986
00:42:37,689 --> 00:42:40,479
It was vibratory or
energetic language, and

987
00:42:40,479 --> 00:42:41,709
it is every single time.

988
00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:44,529
And it was also in
download form between

989
00:42:44,529 --> 00:42:45,639
the ages of nine and 11.

990
00:42:46,529 --> 00:42:48,929
It's just, it's vibratory,
it's energetic, and it's

991
00:42:48,929 --> 00:42:50,309
a full, complete language.

992
00:42:50,314 --> 00:42:51,659
And I can understand
what they were saying to

993
00:42:51,659 --> 00:42:52,619
me and they said, okay.

994
00:42:53,189 --> 00:42:54,329
Alright, it's time.

995
00:42:54,579 --> 00:42:56,319
We're here, we're
gonna wake you up.

996
00:42:56,379 --> 00:42:57,669
Like you have a job to do.

997
00:42:57,699 --> 00:42:58,809
This is part of your life.

998
00:42:58,809 --> 00:43:01,149
It's always been part of your
life, but now you really have

999
00:43:01,149 --> 00:43:02,379
to make it part of your life.

1000
00:43:02,769 --> 00:43:03,969
And, ooh, let's get going.

1001
00:43:04,339 --> 00:43:05,839
That was essentially
the message.

1002
00:43:05,899 --> 00:43:07,159
And we're here to support you.

1003
00:43:07,249 --> 00:43:10,429
We've always been with you
and a lot more than that.

1004
00:43:10,429 --> 00:43:11,629
But that was really it.

1005
00:43:11,629 --> 00:43:14,359
And it was this just
extraordinary amount of

1006
00:43:14,359 --> 00:43:18,599
energy, extraordinary
amount of heart and care.

1007
00:43:18,659 --> 00:43:23,079
And I have never had anything
like that ever happen

1008
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:24,489
in my life, ever before.

1009
00:43:24,699 --> 00:43:27,789
And so I just
knew it was real.

1010
00:43:27,789 --> 00:43:29,409
I can't explain how and why.

1011
00:43:29,409 --> 00:43:30,609
I just knew.

1012
00:43:30,819 --> 00:43:34,509
And so I took it seriously
and I started going into,

1013
00:43:34,509 --> 00:43:37,719
I became very oh my God.

1014
00:43:37,724 --> 00:43:40,029
And just not enthralled,
it's the wrong word.

1015
00:43:40,044 --> 00:43:42,724
I could not stop thinking
about it, I really could

1016
00:43:42,724 --> 00:43:43,744
not stop thinking about it.

1017
00:43:43,744 --> 00:43:44,614
It had just.

1018
00:43:45,614 --> 00:43:47,804
The expression I used is
getting bonged over the head

1019
00:43:47,804 --> 00:43:49,034
with a cosmic frying pan.

1020
00:43:49,034 --> 00:43:52,454
It really felt like I had been
bonged, like just bong over

1021
00:43:52,454 --> 00:43:55,874
the head, like reverberating
through me with this new

1022
00:43:55,879 --> 00:44:00,284
understanding that this was
real and I could never look at

1023
00:44:00,289 --> 00:44:03,494
myself or my life or reality
the same way ever again.

1024
00:44:03,734 --> 00:44:07,244
It was absolutely massive
as an experience with this

1025
00:44:07,244 --> 00:44:10,004
massive amount of energy
and this massive presence.

1026
00:44:10,514 --> 00:44:13,274
And so then I just went down
the rabbit hole of researching

1027
00:44:13,274 --> 00:44:15,494
and reaching out to people and
asking for help and getting

1028
00:44:15,499 --> 00:44:17,894
a lot of wonderful support
from people who were leaders

1029
00:44:17,894 --> 00:44:20,954
in the community, including
the honorable Paul Hellyer,

1030
00:44:21,014 --> 00:44:23,414
who was unfortunately passed
away, but he was the Minister

1031
00:44:23,414 --> 00:44:26,804
of Defense for Canada in
the sixties and seventies

1032
00:44:27,134 --> 00:44:28,124
for a period of time.

1033
00:44:28,244 --> 00:44:31,804
And he had been a UFO
experiencer himself, and so

1034
00:44:31,804 --> 00:44:35,254
he became active in ufology
years after he left his

1035
00:44:35,254 --> 00:44:36,334
post with the military.

1036
00:44:36,364 --> 00:44:37,684
Anyway, I reached out to him.

1037
00:44:37,984 --> 00:44:40,054
He validated that
I was not crazy.

1038
00:44:40,054 --> 00:44:42,274
Basically, like he said,
this is not unusual.

1039
00:44:42,284 --> 00:44:44,929
You are not alone in having
an experience like this.

1040
00:44:45,739 --> 00:44:49,579
But then all the same,
few days later I started

1041
00:44:49,584 --> 00:44:53,479
to work in this warehouse
marking piles and piles of

1042
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:55,579
booklets that were collected
from students all over

1043
00:44:55,579 --> 00:44:58,429
the country and teachers
were hired to mark these

1044
00:44:58,429 --> 00:45:01,759
booklets for literacy, data
purposes, and math as well.

1045
00:45:02,259 --> 00:45:03,999
Something like two and a
half weeks later, I had

1046
00:45:04,004 --> 00:45:07,479
recovered from my surgery
and I was starting this job.

1047
00:45:07,479 --> 00:45:12,919
And the contrast between
what I had been experiencing

1048
00:45:12,919 --> 00:45:15,199
for the two and a half weeks
prior, which was basically

1049
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:20,419
having my paradigm completely
busted and discovering a whole

1050
00:45:20,424 --> 00:45:25,009
new world of information and
experience that I had not even

1051
00:45:25,009 --> 00:45:31,499
had a clue existed with any
legitimacy, to thud, reality

1052
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:33,569
working in this warehouse.

1053
00:45:33,569 --> 00:45:34,859
There's concrete everywhere.

1054
00:45:34,859 --> 00:45:35,939
It's very low vibe.

1055
00:45:35,944 --> 00:45:37,499
There's people
chugging coffee.

1056
00:45:37,504 --> 00:45:39,719
We're just doing a job for
the government kind of thing.

1057
00:45:40,499 --> 00:45:43,759
And it was just very, like
the daily grind feeling.

1058
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:46,669
And so a few days into this,
three days into this job,

1059
00:45:47,669 --> 00:45:49,799
which is now about three
weeks after my experience,

1060
00:45:49,799 --> 00:45:53,069
my awakening, I started
getting worried about myself.

1061
00:45:53,189 --> 00:45:54,629
And so I went home.

1062
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,119
And that night after
work, I was very upset.

1063
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:58,619
I really was very upset.

1064
00:45:58,624 --> 00:46:00,929
I was concerned about
my mental state.

1065
00:46:01,769 --> 00:46:04,839
And so I talked to them and I
don't think I've ever really

1066
00:46:04,869 --> 00:46:07,279
done that before, but I
just knelt down on my living

1067
00:46:07,279 --> 00:46:09,589
room floor and genuinely
spoke to them from my heart.

1068
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:12,139
And I just said, I need
you to prove it to me

1069
00:46:12,799 --> 00:46:15,619
that this happened because
I feel like it's real.

1070
00:46:15,619 --> 00:46:16,759
I feel like you're real.

1071
00:46:16,764 --> 00:46:18,139
I really think this happened.

1072
00:46:18,509 --> 00:46:21,509
I can't think of why I
would make this up, but

1073
00:46:21,509 --> 00:46:23,519
I need you to prove to
me that this is real.

1074
00:46:24,164 --> 00:46:29,094
And the next day for 45
minutes, between 9 and 9:45

1075
00:46:29,114 --> 00:46:32,684
in the morning, every booklet
that I took randomly off

1076
00:46:32,684 --> 00:46:34,694
the shelf at the front of
the room, anybody could just

1077
00:46:34,694 --> 00:46:37,844
go up and grab any stack
of booklets to mark, that

1078
00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:41,474
morning and that morning only
for 45 minutes every single

1079
00:46:41,474 --> 00:46:45,884
booklet that I opened in
child handwriting, age 10 or

1080
00:46:45,884 --> 00:46:49,304
11, these are kids writing
responses to a question.

1081
00:46:49,934 --> 00:46:53,144
It was not actually responses
to the question at all.

1082
00:46:53,174 --> 00:46:57,014
It was all about
consciousness, portals,

1083
00:46:57,254 --> 00:47:01,394
time, travel, free
energy flying cars.

1084
00:47:01,454 --> 00:47:02,774
The earth is alive.

1085
00:47:02,804 --> 00:47:04,364
There's an
intergalactic council.

1086
00:47:04,364 --> 00:47:05,324
Extraterrestrial.

1087
00:47:05,404 --> 00:47:08,404
It, I was absolutely shocked.

1088
00:47:08,444 --> 00:47:08,804
Shocked.

1089
00:47:08,864 --> 00:47:09,824
Booklet after booklet.

1090
00:47:10,604 --> 00:47:13,414
In handwriting, in pencil,
I could see it with my

1091
00:47:13,419 --> 00:47:14,644
own eyes in front of me.

1092
00:47:14,644 --> 00:47:15,484
I couldn't believe it.

1093
00:47:15,484 --> 00:47:17,614
And I could not take
photographs because it's

1094
00:47:17,614 --> 00:47:19,624
government property, so
I can't actually prove

1095
00:47:19,624 --> 00:47:20,194
that this happened.

1096
00:47:20,584 --> 00:47:23,984
But I ran to the bathroom
and furiously texted some

1097
00:47:23,984 --> 00:47:26,174
friends of mine who are
activists in the community,

1098
00:47:26,354 --> 00:47:29,984
ufology and CE-5, and and
they're lovely people and

1099
00:47:29,984 --> 00:47:30,944
they're very grounded.

1100
00:47:31,244 --> 00:47:34,334
I thought that then, and I
still think that now, and

1101
00:47:34,334 --> 00:47:36,434
I texted them and I said,
I just need to tell you

1102
00:47:36,434 --> 00:47:38,444
this is happening because
I cannot believe this.

1103
00:47:38,504 --> 00:47:40,424
My arms are covered
in goosebumps.

1104
00:47:40,454 --> 00:47:41,204
Is this real?

1105
00:47:41,204 --> 00:47:43,634
Can I just, I need you
to tell me this is real.

1106
00:47:43,994 --> 00:47:47,054
And they were like, yeah, that
kind of, that's what happens,

1107
00:47:47,054 --> 00:47:48,284
sometimes to some people.

1108
00:47:49,004 --> 00:47:50,624
And so they heard
you and they're

1109
00:47:50,624 --> 00:47:51,974
validating your request.

1110
00:47:52,254 --> 00:47:53,664
How else can I interpret that?

1111
00:47:53,724 --> 00:47:56,694
There's no other way I
could interpret that.

1112
00:47:56,699 --> 00:47:58,414
I don't hallucinate ever.

1113
00:47:58,594 --> 00:48:01,834
And so that was something that
happened in broad daylight at

1114
00:48:01,834 --> 00:48:06,164
nine o'clock in the morning
to an ordinary person sitting

1115
00:48:06,164 --> 00:48:09,774
in a wi, it was just, it
still stuns me to this day.

1116
00:48:09,774 --> 00:48:11,544
It was really something
else, and it gave me

1117
00:48:11,544 --> 00:48:12,894
so much encouragement.

1118
00:48:13,344 --> 00:48:16,674
And so ever since then,
sometimes, not always,

1119
00:48:16,674 --> 00:48:19,794
but more and more if I
ask them, if I really ask

1120
00:48:19,794 --> 00:48:22,644
them from my heart to show
up, something will happen.

1121
00:48:22,644 --> 00:48:25,854
I'll see a U F O and I'll know
it's a U F O because it's,

1122
00:48:25,884 --> 00:48:28,824
I know how to analyze and
say, okay, that's not a U F

1123
00:48:28,824 --> 00:48:30,144
O because it's an airplane.

1124
00:48:30,149 --> 00:48:31,164
How do I know
it's an airplane?

1125
00:48:31,494 --> 00:48:32,754
Or how do I know it's a drone?

1126
00:48:32,754 --> 00:48:34,074
Or how do I know
it's a satellite?

1127
00:48:34,524 --> 00:48:36,204
If I don't wanna make
things up for myself, I

1128
00:48:36,204 --> 00:48:38,424
wanna know that what I'm
experiencing is real.

1129
00:48:38,424 --> 00:48:40,134
Or if it's not real,
then it's not real.

1130
00:48:40,734 --> 00:48:41,364
You know what I mean?

1131
00:48:41,634 --> 00:48:44,594
It's important to me to
keep myself grounded in, the

1132
00:48:44,594 --> 00:48:48,324
authenticity of the weirdness,
if that makes any sense.

1133
00:48:49,164 --> 00:48:51,054
Rod Bland: Yeah,
this reminds me.

1134
00:48:51,114 --> 00:48:54,114
So this sort of doubting what
you're seeing and what you are

1135
00:48:54,984 --> 00:48:58,614
witnessing is, I'm sure that
happens to so many people.

1136
00:48:59,014 --> 00:49:01,234
I can't remember exactly,
remember it was one of

1137
00:49:01,264 --> 00:49:02,974
Whitley Streiber's books
where he is talking about

1138
00:49:02,979 --> 00:49:04,994
the the key master or
the master of the key.

1139
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:08,169
And I can't pull up the web
browser to look, but he had

1140
00:49:08,169 --> 00:49:09,494
someone, he was in a hotel.

1141
00:49:09,494 --> 00:49:11,469
He was like hiding out
almost because like I

1142
00:49:11,469 --> 00:49:13,899
mentioned before we started
the recording, he become

1143
00:49:13,899 --> 00:49:16,689
somewhat of a pariah and
people were like pursuing him.

1144
00:49:17,379 --> 00:49:20,739
And so he was hiding out
in a hotel in a country and

1145
00:49:20,739 --> 00:49:24,429
he had someone come into
the hotel who he later on

1146
00:49:24,429 --> 00:49:26,739
referred to as the, I think
it was the Key Master.

1147
00:49:26,739 --> 00:49:27,519
He wrote a book about it.

1148
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:28,269
Fascinating book.

1149
00:49:29,259 --> 00:49:31,879
And initially, he was thinking
what's one of the hotel

1150
00:49:31,879 --> 00:49:34,099
staff doing coming in here
at 1:30 AM in the morning?

1151
00:49:34,099 --> 00:49:36,619
Cause it was really late
and early in the morning.

1152
00:49:37,429 --> 00:49:40,099
And then after a while
he realized this person

1153
00:49:40,099 --> 00:49:42,349
is not, he's not human.

1154
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:43,879
He looks human, but he's not.

1155
00:49:43,969 --> 00:49:47,779
And he, even, despite all
of his experiences, he

1156
00:49:47,779 --> 00:49:50,879
was still doubting that
he wasn't, hallucinating.

1157
00:49:50,879 --> 00:49:53,624
And then he had to, he after
the evidence started to

1158
00:49:53,624 --> 00:49:56,089
stack up, he thought, okay,
this is actually real and

1159
00:49:56,139 --> 00:49:57,429
I'm not going bonkers here.

1160
00:49:58,149 --> 00:50:00,909
So I think that's surely,
that's a pretty common

1161
00:50:00,909 --> 00:50:04,839
experience for many people
to doubt themselves because

1162
00:50:04,839 --> 00:50:07,449
it's so far out of the norm.

1163
00:50:07,989 --> 00:50:10,174
Sinead Whelehan: And yet, so
important to be open, I think,

1164
00:50:10,179 --> 00:50:14,174
to letting those things in
because, essentially whether

1165
00:50:14,174 --> 00:50:17,594
or not they're real, I think
is not really the issue to me.

1166
00:50:18,104 --> 00:50:20,084
It's the effect it has on you.

1167
00:50:21,084 --> 00:50:25,504
Because any experience like
that is going to crack open

1168
00:50:25,534 --> 00:50:28,804
your sense of normal, your
sense of stability and what

1169
00:50:28,804 --> 00:50:30,514
you're used to and usual.

1170
00:50:31,084 --> 00:50:33,694
And that's really important
for consciousness to develop.

1171
00:50:34,354 --> 00:50:38,034
We have to be able to have
those periods of, popping

1172
00:50:38,034 --> 00:50:41,884
out the door of our familiar
reality to see what else is

1173
00:50:41,884 --> 00:50:44,554
out there, because it's very
important, I think, of course,

1174
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,224
this is just my opinion, but
I think it's very important

1175
00:50:47,229 --> 00:50:50,554
that we have experiences
that are challenging, whether

1176
00:50:50,554 --> 00:50:53,824
it's in real life or not
in quote unquote real life

1177
00:50:54,424 --> 00:50:56,344
struggles, difficulties.

1178
00:50:56,374 --> 00:50:59,524
They're awful, but they
teach us something if we

1179
00:50:59,524 --> 00:51:01,714
choose them, if we choose
to allow them to, they

1180
00:51:01,714 --> 00:51:03,034
always teach us something.

1181
00:51:03,494 --> 00:51:06,344
If not anything else, about
our own strength and our own

1182
00:51:06,344 --> 00:51:10,064
resilience, and our ability
to persevere and to survive,

1183
00:51:10,124 --> 00:51:13,154
which I think often we
don't really give ourselves

1184
00:51:13,154 --> 00:51:16,094
enough credit for, generally
speaking, as human beings.

1185
00:51:21,174 --> 00:51:23,214
There are people who live
in countries around the world

1186
00:51:23,219 --> 00:51:26,664
right now who are surviving in
circumstances I cannot fathom.

1187
00:51:27,414 --> 00:51:30,264
And, how much do we really
recognize that, like in,

1188
00:51:30,264 --> 00:51:32,694
in the every day, the fact
that human beings have

1189
00:51:33,054 --> 00:51:36,894
extraordinary ability to
survive and to persevere.

1190
00:51:37,504 --> 00:51:41,074
So whether or not it's
something that we understand

1191
00:51:41,074 --> 00:51:44,554
or we have answers for is
not actually important to me.

1192
00:51:44,584 --> 00:51:47,704
Just like it's not incredibly
important to me that I see

1193
00:51:47,704 --> 00:51:50,314
all my guides and I know
exactly what they look like.

1194
00:51:50,944 --> 00:51:52,444
That doesn't actually
matter to me.

1195
00:51:52,504 --> 00:51:54,904
What matters to me is
the communication and

1196
00:51:54,904 --> 00:51:57,094
the messages, or the
information and how they're

1197
00:51:57,094 --> 00:51:58,354
helping me in my life.

1198
00:51:58,894 --> 00:52:02,074
And that's how I know that
also that this experience

1199
00:52:02,074 --> 00:52:05,344
I'm having ongoing is
legitimate because it's

1200
00:52:05,344 --> 00:52:08,434
changing me in ways that
I've always needed to change.

1201
00:52:08,434 --> 00:52:11,254
It's helping me grow in
ways I've needed to grow.

1202
00:52:11,444 --> 00:52:16,064
It's making me a more
connected person to myself

1203
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:18,284
and to what I really need
in life, and to be able

1204
00:52:18,284 --> 00:52:21,644
to make a contribution to
anybody else or anything

1205
00:52:21,644 --> 00:52:23,204
else as well, in a real way.

1206
00:52:24,204 --> 00:52:25,194
Rod Bland: That's
such a good point.

1207
00:52:25,464 --> 00:52:28,524
It's so easy to, when
you hear of someone's

1208
00:52:28,524 --> 00:52:31,584
experience, it's easy to
go how do we validate this?

1209
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:33,484
How do we actually,
prove this?

1210
00:52:33,484 --> 00:52:36,244
Then many people who have
those experiences do go

1211
00:52:36,244 --> 00:52:39,274
to great lengths to try to
validate and prove their

1212
00:52:39,274 --> 00:52:41,544
experience so that other
people can have that.

1213
00:52:42,234 --> 00:52:45,054
But I think you make a really
good point is that how does

1214
00:52:45,054 --> 00:52:46,134
it actually make you feel?

1215
00:52:46,134 --> 00:52:51,629
How does it affect your life
in a way that helps you grow.

1216
00:52:51,879 --> 00:52:53,709
I'm just thinking the same
thing when anybody who

1217
00:52:53,709 --> 00:52:57,229
watches this interview, it's
what sort of impact is it

1218
00:52:57,229 --> 00:52:58,369
actually having on them?

1219
00:52:58,819 --> 00:53:01,399
And I agree that's
the important piece.

1220
00:53:01,399 --> 00:53:04,579
That's, it's less important
that it be validated.

1221
00:53:05,579 --> 00:53:07,199
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah,
and I I feel similarly

1222
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,239
about how physical we
are about everything.

1223
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,839
Like to me, this is,
my body is not me.

1224
00:53:13,484 --> 00:53:14,714
And your body is not you.

1225
00:53:14,814 --> 00:53:16,764
This is the container
that we're traveling

1226
00:53:16,764 --> 00:53:17,724
around in this life.

1227
00:53:17,784 --> 00:53:19,404
This is my concept, right?

1228
00:53:19,914 --> 00:53:23,244
So therefore, it makes any
judgments that we have about

1229
00:53:23,244 --> 00:53:26,364
each other's physicality
inherently ridiculous because

1230
00:53:26,844 --> 00:53:29,714
things like racism, sexism,
ableism, whatever it is,

1231
00:53:30,074 --> 00:53:32,744
making judgments about another
person based purely on their

1232
00:53:32,744 --> 00:53:36,374
physical appearance is such
a ridiculous concept because

1233
00:53:36,554 --> 00:53:38,114
the person is not their body.

1234
00:53:38,264 --> 00:53:39,134
It's the energy.

1235
00:53:39,224 --> 00:53:41,324
It's what's inside
the body that counts.

1236
00:53:42,134 --> 00:53:44,174
And to me it's that
same sort of idea.

1237
00:53:44,204 --> 00:53:45,974
Does that make sense,
that comparison?

1238
00:53:46,514 --> 00:53:47,744
Rod Bland: Yeah, that's
a really great point.

1239
00:53:47,842 --> 00:53:50,422
I just made a note
here about CE-6, oh,

1240
00:53:50,422 --> 00:53:53,752
sorry, CE-5 presentation
and the energy merge.

1241
00:53:54,202 --> 00:53:55,462
Can you tell us
about that story?

1242
00:53:56,462 --> 00:53:57,522
Sinead Whelehan:
Oh gosh, yeah.

1243
00:53:57,622 --> 00:53:59,062
That experience
is really huge.

1244
00:53:59,062 --> 00:54:01,522
I'm still actually digesting
that one in some ways.

1245
00:54:01,562 --> 00:54:04,732
This was in August of 20.

1246
00:54:05,227 --> 00:54:06,277
2021.

1247
00:54:06,397 --> 00:54:06,847
Excuse me.

1248
00:54:07,847 --> 00:54:08,177
Yes.

1249
00:54:08,177 --> 00:54:09,527
It was August, 2021.

1250
00:54:10,007 --> 00:54:15,167
So there's a pattern so far of
really big energy or energetic

1251
00:54:15,172 --> 00:54:18,467
experiences happening almost
exactly two years apart.

1252
00:54:18,527 --> 00:54:23,827
The first one was July late
July, early August, 2017.

1253
00:54:24,247 --> 00:54:28,567
Then the second one was
late June, early July, 2019.

1254
00:54:28,657 --> 00:54:32,117
And then this was late
July, early August, 2021.

1255
00:54:32,747 --> 00:54:35,327
So what happened was Grant
Cameron, who I was assisting

1256
00:54:35,327 --> 00:54:39,387
at the time invited me to
assist him on a presentation

1257
00:54:39,387 --> 00:54:42,387
cause he was the keynote
speaker at an event that was

1258
00:54:42,387 --> 00:54:45,747
being held in Illinois, run
by some people that we knew.

1259
00:54:45,807 --> 00:54:48,597
And so we traveled there
together and there were a

1260
00:54:48,597 --> 00:54:51,567
series of talks throughout
the day on different

1261
00:54:51,572 --> 00:54:54,507
topics, actually over two
days on different topics.

1262
00:54:54,512 --> 00:54:56,757
It's a terrific event
called the Worldwide

1263
00:54:56,762 --> 00:54:58,167
Meta Metaphysical Tribe.

1264
00:54:58,857 --> 00:55:01,967
And He was gonna be speaking
and I was gonna do this little

1265
00:55:01,967 --> 00:55:03,677
presentation about Sasquatch.

1266
00:55:03,737 --> 00:55:07,277
And so I did that and
I remember feeling

1267
00:55:07,277 --> 00:55:08,897
a bit odd that day.

1268
00:55:08,897 --> 00:55:12,027
And, there were a couple
of things that were just

1269
00:55:12,057 --> 00:55:14,037
a little bit unusual for
me to experience, such as

1270
00:55:14,037 --> 00:55:18,097
having difficulty speaking,
like actually speaking,

1271
00:55:18,157 --> 00:55:20,477
like talking, getting my
voice out of my mouth.

1272
00:55:21,137 --> 00:55:23,417
And so I couldn't figure
out what that was.

1273
00:55:23,422 --> 00:55:24,947
I thought, am I getting
some kind of bug?

1274
00:55:25,057 --> 00:55:26,317
Is my throat
starting to act up?

1275
00:55:26,317 --> 00:55:27,787
It was a little bit
of a strange moment.

1276
00:55:28,297 --> 00:55:30,457
So there were a couple things
that happened, no big deal.

1277
00:55:30,457 --> 00:55:34,707
Anyway, later on that
afternoon at two o'clock

1278
00:55:35,007 --> 00:55:39,447
began this presentation
by two CE-5 experts and

1279
00:55:39,447 --> 00:55:41,157
leaders in the CE-5 field.

1280
00:55:41,157 --> 00:55:45,027
CE-5 is close encounters of
the fifth kind, and it tends

1281
00:55:45,027 --> 00:55:47,847
to be a circle of people
who come together with the

1282
00:55:47,847 --> 00:55:50,217
purpose of making contact
with extraterrestrials.

1283
00:55:50,457 --> 00:55:53,662
Usually through ships,
but contact can happen

1284
00:55:53,662 --> 00:55:54,442
in different ways.

1285
00:55:54,442 --> 00:55:56,332
So ships will appear
is what I mean.

1286
00:55:56,962 --> 00:55:59,702
So we were going to have
this presentation at this

1287
00:55:59,702 --> 00:56:03,602
event with an audience of 50
to 60 people in the middle

1288
00:56:03,602 --> 00:56:06,182
of the afternoon, in the
middle of the summer in

1289
00:56:06,182 --> 00:56:10,022
Illinois, in this space that
was essentially outdoors.

1290
00:56:10,022 --> 00:56:13,282
So it was a covered space and
it was set up as if it was a

1291
00:56:13,282 --> 00:56:14,872
room, but there were no walls.

1292
00:56:15,872 --> 00:56:17,612
So there was garden
all the way around us.

1293
00:56:17,642 --> 00:56:19,952
And right in front of
me, there was a very tall

1294
00:56:19,952 --> 00:56:22,892
evergreen hedge about 20 feet
away from where I was sitting.

1295
00:56:23,792 --> 00:56:25,232
And Grant was sitting
right beside me.

1296
00:56:26,042 --> 00:56:30,672
So at about three o'clock, and
I have this very weird pattern

1297
00:56:30,672 --> 00:56:34,212
of threes happening with a lot
of my paranormal experiences.

1298
00:56:34,212 --> 00:56:36,942
I'm not sure why it just
has happened like that.

1299
00:56:37,212 --> 00:56:39,732
So this is one example, right
around three o'clock halfway

1300
00:56:39,732 --> 00:56:43,182
through the presentation, I
had this very strong feeling

1301
00:56:43,632 --> 00:56:46,752
to, as if almost somebody was
calling me to look over here.

1302
00:56:47,457 --> 00:56:50,457
And so I looked over, but
where I felt like I was being

1303
00:56:50,457 --> 00:56:52,677
directed to look was right in
front of me and all I could

1304
00:56:52,677 --> 00:56:54,327
see with this evergreen hedge.

1305
00:56:54,807 --> 00:56:56,617
So I just thought
okay, that was weird.

1306
00:56:56,857 --> 00:56:59,077
I got distracted, and I looked
back at the presentation,

1307
00:56:59,137 --> 00:57:02,327
which was about 45 degree
angle, to my right.

1308
00:57:02,957 --> 00:57:04,907
And so I'm watching the
presentation, but again, I get

1309
00:57:04,907 --> 00:57:06,172
this feeling, look over here.

1310
00:57:06,172 --> 00:57:10,582
And so I looked over and
then I start seeing this

1311
00:57:10,582 --> 00:57:15,862
very slight sort of misty
texture in front of the hedge.

1312
00:57:15,867 --> 00:57:18,562
And I'm looking at it and
I really feel like I'm, I

1313
00:57:18,562 --> 00:57:22,157
have to look at this, even
though I wanna be I'm polite,

1314
00:57:22,157 --> 00:57:24,317
I wanna be respectful and
look at the presentation.

1315
00:57:24,677 --> 00:57:26,837
And I'm very obviously
looking away from it, but

1316
00:57:26,837 --> 00:57:28,277
I really felt compelled.

1317
00:57:28,517 --> 00:57:32,657
And so I'm looking and I'm
seeing gradually this mist,

1318
00:57:33,287 --> 00:57:36,317
which is very just like a
almost, it started almost

1319
00:57:36,317 --> 00:57:40,007
like a sort of sparkle over
this surface the dark green

1320
00:57:40,007 --> 00:57:41,147
background of the hedge.

1321
00:57:41,657 --> 00:57:44,877
And then it became over
a few seconds, I think

1322
00:57:45,507 --> 00:57:49,527
the misty filled in misty
outline of this very tall

1323
00:57:49,527 --> 00:57:52,527
being that was about seven,
maybe eight feet tall.

1324
00:57:53,187 --> 00:57:54,617
Very thin torso.

1325
00:57:54,647 --> 00:57:56,627
Long thin arms,
long thin legs.

1326
00:57:56,657 --> 00:57:57,767
And I could see everything.

1327
00:57:57,797 --> 00:58:01,197
I could see the full
detailed outline of the

1328
00:58:01,197 --> 00:58:02,087
body, the head, the neck

1329
00:58:02,287 --> 00:58:02,517
Rod Bland: Wow.

1330
00:58:02,552 --> 00:58:02,632
happened?

1331
00:58:03,387 --> 00:58:05,097
Sinead Whelehan: So first of
all, I'm just sitting there

1332
00:58:05,877 --> 00:58:09,902
really like having difficulty
believing that I'm seeing this

1333
00:58:10,352 --> 00:58:12,302
and I actually pinched myself.

1334
00:58:12,362 --> 00:58:14,492
And I also was talking
to myself like, is

1335
00:58:14,492 --> 00:58:15,242
this really happening?

1336
00:58:15,242 --> 00:58:17,222
Am I really seeing this
do a reality check?

1337
00:58:17,222 --> 00:58:19,682
So I look around the room
and I look back at it.

1338
00:58:19,682 --> 00:58:20,522
It's still there.

1339
00:58:21,242 --> 00:58:23,822
So I can't think of a reason
why this is happening.

1340
00:58:24,062 --> 00:58:25,802
And I've never had
anything like this happen

1341
00:58:25,802 --> 00:58:27,062
before either, right?

1342
00:58:27,752 --> 00:58:31,082
This being materializes and
is just standing there in this

1343
00:58:31,082 --> 00:58:33,752
very calm but strong pose.

1344
00:58:33,752 --> 00:58:37,302
Arms just down at its
side, feet planted.

1345
00:58:37,302 --> 00:58:41,382
And it's directly in my
line of sight facing me.

1346
00:58:41,412 --> 00:58:44,532
And then I hear in my head,
this is an energy merge.

1347
00:58:45,102 --> 00:58:46,932
And I immediately
think that's weird.

1348
00:58:46,937 --> 00:58:48,162
Why did I just think that?

1349
00:58:48,432 --> 00:58:51,282
And then right after that, it
was as if I was being blasted

1350
00:58:51,282 --> 00:58:52,962
by a water cannon of energy.

1351
00:58:52,962 --> 00:58:56,082
It was just this really
massive amount of energy

1352
00:58:56,082 --> 00:58:57,492
being beamed at me.

1353
00:58:57,492 --> 00:58:58,482
That's what it felt like.

1354
00:58:58,932 --> 00:59:00,642
And yet I wasn't afraid.

1355
00:59:00,647 --> 00:59:01,692
It was very intense.

1356
00:59:02,412 --> 00:59:06,072
I started to lose a little
bit of, at first it was a

1357
00:59:06,072 --> 00:59:08,762
little bit of my vision of
what was actually around me.

1358
00:59:08,762 --> 00:59:11,972
I started to lose my
ability to see clearly

1359
00:59:11,972 --> 00:59:14,372
what was around me and
the air quality changed.

1360
00:59:14,377 --> 00:59:16,202
This is something I found
out later as common for

1361
00:59:16,207 --> 00:59:19,092
experiences that the
air became like water

1362
00:59:19,292 --> 00:59:22,312
or I don't know, there
was a substance to it.

1363
00:59:22,312 --> 00:59:24,352
It became thicker somehow,
and everything just

1364
00:59:24,352 --> 00:59:28,312
slowed down and my body
felt totally different.

1365
00:59:29,182 --> 00:59:31,042
And I was also very numb.

1366
00:59:31,282 --> 00:59:34,527
And my whole body was buzzing,
just buzzing and buzzing and

1367
00:59:34,527 --> 00:59:36,747
vibrating and reverberating
with this energy.

1368
00:59:37,387 --> 00:59:40,207
Huge indescribably
strong energy.

1369
00:59:40,207 --> 00:59:42,027
And that went on
for the next hour.

1370
00:59:42,807 --> 00:59:45,267
And then by the end of the
presentation, an hour later,

1371
00:59:45,297 --> 00:59:47,277
my friend Kim, who was one
of the people giving the

1372
00:59:47,277 --> 00:59:49,707
presentation, had figured
out by then that something

1373
00:59:49,707 --> 00:59:51,807
was wrong, cuz she saw
me just basically staring

1374
00:59:51,807 --> 00:59:52,977
at a hedge for an hour

1375
00:59:53,977 --> 00:59:55,937
slapped, slap jawed,
just ugh, like this.

1376
00:59:56,447 --> 00:59:58,727
And so she came over and
yelled in front of me

1377
00:59:58,727 --> 00:59:59,807
and said, are you okay?

1378
01:00:00,797 --> 01:00:04,242
And I couldn't really talk,
my jaw was really numb and

1379
01:00:04,252 --> 01:00:07,672
I just felt so strange and
everything was reverberating

1380
01:00:07,672 --> 01:00:08,932
with this incredible energy.

1381
01:00:09,787 --> 01:00:12,487
And I managed to get a few
things out after a minute to

1382
01:00:12,487 --> 01:00:14,347
tell her, can you help me?

1383
01:00:14,437 --> 01:00:15,907
Can you help me
move from this spot?

1384
01:00:15,907 --> 01:00:17,317
Because people were
starting to get up and

1385
01:00:17,317 --> 01:00:19,657
move around and I could
not interact with anyone.

1386
01:00:19,747 --> 01:00:21,667
There was absolutely
no way that I could

1387
01:00:21,672 --> 01:00:22,537
have a conversation.

1388
01:00:23,017 --> 01:00:26,167
So she helped me make my way
a few steps away, and I was

1389
01:00:26,172 --> 01:00:28,447
really having to check for
the surface of the ground.

1390
01:00:28,447 --> 01:00:30,367
Like I felt like the
ground wasn't really there.

1391
01:00:30,377 --> 01:00:32,827
It was a very
funny experience.

1392
01:00:33,397 --> 01:00:36,177
And so then I went into
this gazebo with her, which

1393
01:00:36,177 --> 01:00:39,297
was covered by Ivy, and so
it was private and she was

1394
01:00:39,297 --> 01:00:40,527
wonderful and supportive.

1395
01:00:40,532 --> 01:00:42,057
Her name is
Kimberly Marie Port.

1396
01:00:42,267 --> 01:00:45,122
She's a leader in CE-5
and a wonderful person,

1397
01:00:45,122 --> 01:00:46,412
and she was so supportive.

1398
01:00:47,372 --> 01:00:51,562
Stayed with me, and she
said once my body started

1399
01:00:51,562 --> 01:00:53,872
unfreezing, essentially, I
was able to get out a little

1400
01:00:53,872 --> 01:00:56,392
bit more of what had happened
and describe it to her.

1401
01:00:57,262 --> 01:00:59,502
And I was doing what you
would do, if you had been to

1402
01:00:59,502 --> 01:01:02,262
the dentist and been given a
freezing agent and then you're

1403
01:01:02,262 --> 01:01:04,512
stretching your mouth out,
trying to loosen your muscles

1404
01:01:04,512 --> 01:01:05,922
up and get them going again.

1405
01:01:05,922 --> 01:01:08,982
I was doing that while
I was talking, and so I

1406
01:01:08,982 --> 01:01:10,812
explained to her essentially
what had happened, and she

1407
01:01:10,812 --> 01:01:13,122
said to me, that sounds
like an energy merge.

1408
01:01:14,122 --> 01:01:16,432
So I said to her, can you
please remember that you

1409
01:01:16,432 --> 01:01:18,832
said that because that's
literally what I heard

1410
01:01:18,832 --> 01:01:21,232
in my head an hour ago,
and I don't know what an

1411
01:01:21,232 --> 01:01:25,142
energy emerge is, so then
she explained to me why it

1412
01:01:25,142 --> 01:01:26,212
sounded like an energy merge.

1413
01:01:26,212 --> 01:01:28,082
I'd never heard
of such a thing.

1414
01:01:28,142 --> 01:01:30,362
I'd never knew that something
like that existed before.

1415
01:01:30,367 --> 01:01:34,602
This also near the end of
this experience, I started

1416
01:01:34,602 --> 01:01:37,742
seeing in my mind these
really strong images that

1417
01:01:37,742 --> 01:01:39,752
I felt were representing
what was occurring

1418
01:01:39,932 --> 01:01:41,072
energetically around me.

1419
01:01:41,077 --> 01:01:43,202
So one thing was that there
was this bright column

1420
01:01:43,202 --> 01:01:45,922
of light that was coming
from far up above me going

1421
01:01:45,922 --> 01:01:48,052
straight through my body and
going down into the earth.

1422
01:01:48,622 --> 01:01:50,812
And I have the feeling
that everybody has this.

1423
01:01:51,142 --> 01:01:56,182
Everyone has this connection
to what's above and below in,

1424
01:01:56,272 --> 01:01:57,862
in an infinity sort of way.

1425
01:01:57,862 --> 01:02:00,862
Like we're all connected
to something huge.

1426
01:02:00,912 --> 01:02:01,957
That was the feeling I had.

1427
01:02:02,917 --> 01:02:04,902
And so it was this bright
column of light going

1428
01:02:04,902 --> 01:02:05,652
straight through my body.

1429
01:02:05,652 --> 01:02:08,132
And then also seeing the
energy running up from all

1430
01:02:08,137 --> 01:02:11,492
my extremities and swirling
into my chest as if my

1431
01:02:11,492 --> 01:02:12,782
chest was a whirlpool.

1432
01:02:13,202 --> 01:02:16,022
So all this energy was being
sucked up into my chest.

1433
01:02:16,022 --> 01:02:18,967
And I could see this in
my mind and in my mind the

1434
01:02:18,967 --> 01:02:21,967
light in my chest was orangey
yellow, or mostly yellow.

1435
01:02:22,867 --> 01:02:25,687
And then I also saw this
light from somewhere off in

1436
01:02:25,687 --> 01:02:28,087
front of me that was beamed
directly at my third eye.

1437
01:02:28,867 --> 01:02:33,427
And so I'm just seeing all of
this occurring in my mind and

1438
01:02:33,427 --> 01:02:36,217
just making my way through it,
step by step, still feeling

1439
01:02:36,222 --> 01:02:37,687
this massive amount of energy.

1440
01:02:38,287 --> 01:02:40,807
So it really took several
hours before it completely

1441
01:02:40,807 --> 01:02:42,847
wore off, and I ended
up falling asleep for a

1442
01:02:42,847 --> 01:02:44,197
couple of hours as well.

1443
01:02:44,747 --> 01:02:48,017
During which, just before
which the being appeared

1444
01:02:48,037 --> 01:02:51,637
again, but this time he's in
my room and kind of at the

1445
01:02:51,637 --> 01:02:53,857
end of my bed and I didn't,
I couldn't see all of it.

1446
01:02:53,857 --> 01:02:56,562
It was just the shoulders and
the head and it was a very

1447
01:02:56,562 --> 01:02:58,032
pleasant, friendly feeling.

1448
01:02:58,062 --> 01:03:01,782
And then I fell asleep
for two hours, got up with

1449
01:03:01,782 --> 01:03:04,722
three minutes to spare
before Grant's presentation

1450
01:03:04,752 --> 01:03:08,332
and ran out to where he
was presenting still in

1451
01:03:08,332 --> 01:03:09,922
the midst of this, right?

1452
01:03:09,922 --> 01:03:11,062
Thinking about this.

1453
01:03:11,392 --> 01:03:13,522
Somehow assisted
him for that hour.

1454
01:03:13,582 --> 01:03:15,442
I don't know what I
said or did, but I did.

1455
01:03:15,442 --> 01:03:16,672
I made my way through it.

1456
01:03:17,392 --> 01:03:20,002
And then later that night,
there was a CE-5 with a

1457
01:03:20,002 --> 01:03:22,462
whole bunch of people from
the event out in this dark

1458
01:03:22,522 --> 01:03:25,162
graveyard or beside this
graveyard in the dark.

1459
01:03:25,612 --> 01:03:27,862
And there was a photograph
taken of me with what looks

1460
01:03:27,862 --> 01:03:31,042
like a little being standing
right beside me and also

1461
01:03:31,042 --> 01:03:33,082
this really bright light
coming out of my chest.

1462
01:03:33,142 --> 01:03:36,142
And there's no explanation
for why either of those

1463
01:03:36,142 --> 01:03:38,512
things look the way that
they do in that photograph.

1464
01:03:39,037 --> 01:03:42,247
It's not explained by any
light reflective surfaces.

1465
01:03:42,457 --> 01:03:44,107
I didn't have a
phone on my chest.

1466
01:03:44,107 --> 01:03:46,147
I didn't have a piece
of jewelry on my chest.

1467
01:03:46,147 --> 01:03:47,977
I was not wearing
glasses there.

1468
01:03:48,247 --> 01:03:50,282
I've had people ask me
everything about this did

1469
01:03:50,287 --> 01:03:51,602
you have this or was it that?

1470
01:03:52,142 --> 01:03:54,362
But I had it analyzed
by someone I know who

1471
01:03:54,367 --> 01:03:55,502
works at Getty Images.

1472
01:03:55,502 --> 01:03:56,522
They couldn't explain it.

1473
01:03:56,672 --> 01:03:58,712
And also professional
photographer friend of mine

1474
01:03:58,717 --> 01:03:59,562
couldn't explain it either.

1475
01:04:00,022 --> 01:04:02,852
So I don't know what it
is, but it seems very

1476
01:04:03,212 --> 01:04:06,152
interesting that would show
up right after I'd had that

1477
01:04:06,152 --> 01:04:07,712
experience earlier in the day.

1478
01:04:08,582 --> 01:04:11,602
It just seemed a bit
funny, the consistency.

1479
01:04:11,607 --> 01:04:15,652
And so I really felt like
that being was there beside

1480
01:04:15,652 --> 01:04:18,052
me because I was still
very much feeling their

1481
01:04:18,052 --> 01:04:20,002
presence during that CE-5.

1482
01:04:20,052 --> 01:04:21,582
Really still
feeling that energy.

1483
01:04:21,612 --> 01:04:23,592
Will sometimes stay with
me for days when that

1484
01:04:23,592 --> 01:04:24,462
kinda thing happens.

1485
01:04:25,162 --> 01:04:29,062
In this case it was hours and
then yeah, just after that,

1486
01:04:29,062 --> 01:04:31,762
try to gradually understand
what might have happened, but

1487
01:04:32,467 --> 01:04:34,267
I still have really no idea.

1488
01:04:34,267 --> 01:04:36,567
All I know is that it
was deliberately done to

1489
01:04:36,567 --> 01:04:37,977
me to help me somehow.

1490
01:04:38,977 --> 01:04:40,177
Rod Bland: It's like
another tune-up.

1491
01:04:41,027 --> 01:04:41,717
That's what I got.

1492
01:04:41,717 --> 01:04:43,877
It sounds like you had
another tune-up, but a

1493
01:04:43,877 --> 01:04:44,987
more extreme version.

1494
01:04:45,632 --> 01:04:46,502
Sinead Whelehan: Yeah.

1495
01:04:47,252 --> 01:04:50,672
Yeah, it was exhausting,
but also really felt

1496
01:04:50,672 --> 01:04:51,782
really good in a way.

1497
01:04:51,782 --> 01:04:55,472
And I felt like I was
somehow being given a lot

1498
01:04:55,477 --> 01:04:58,312
of support in terms of my
development, but I don't

1499
01:04:58,312 --> 01:05:00,882
specifically know what it
was or what it was for.

1500
01:05:01,707 --> 01:05:03,407
Rod Bland: Do you have the
photo on your computer?

1501
01:05:03,617 --> 01:05:03,977
Sinead?

1502
01:05:03,997 --> 01:05:05,647
Sinead Whelehan: I do have
it on my computer somewhere.

1503
01:05:05,857 --> 01:05:06,967
It'll take me a
minute to find it.

1504
01:05:07,562 --> 01:05:10,322
So the first photo that
you'll see, there's

1505
01:05:10,322 --> 01:05:12,532
three different ones that
I'm I'm showing here.

1506
01:05:12,982 --> 01:05:17,392
The first one is the original
photograph, and so it's

1507
01:05:17,392 --> 01:05:19,042
a random point and shoot.

1508
01:05:19,642 --> 01:05:22,882
And what had happened was
we were in a CE-5 circle, so

1509
01:05:22,887 --> 01:05:25,582
there was a circle of white
chairs, and you're going to

1510
01:05:25,587 --> 01:05:29,062
see the very far edge of the
circle in this photograph.

1511
01:05:29,482 --> 01:05:32,872
And in the background you
can see a cemetery and you

1512
01:05:32,877 --> 01:05:34,312
can also see some trees.

1513
01:05:34,627 --> 01:05:36,577
So it looks like
it's daylight, but

1514
01:05:36,577 --> 01:05:37,417
it was not at all.

1515
01:05:37,417 --> 01:05:38,407
It was very dark.

1516
01:05:38,857 --> 01:05:41,257
There was a faint yellowish
light that was coming

1517
01:05:41,257 --> 01:05:44,097
from a parking lot lamp
that was a distance away.

1518
01:05:44,757 --> 01:05:47,127
And if you look really
closely at this photograph,

1519
01:05:47,127 --> 01:05:49,617
you can see that there's
night skies stars.

1520
01:05:49,677 --> 01:05:50,847
There's stars in the sky.

1521
01:05:50,852 --> 01:05:51,842
It really was nighttime.

1522
01:05:51,842 --> 01:05:52,532
It was very dark.

1523
01:05:52,712 --> 01:05:54,932
We could barely see each
other across the circle.

1524
01:05:54,932 --> 01:05:58,202
And so this photograph
was taken during a break

1525
01:05:58,202 --> 01:06:01,802
in the proceedings when
actually I had come into

1526
01:06:01,802 --> 01:06:04,682
the circle a little bit late
with Grant because he and

1527
01:06:04,682 --> 01:06:07,052
I had been talking about
what had occurred with the

1528
01:06:07,052 --> 01:06:10,892
energy merge and I needed
to eat and I was starving.

1529
01:06:10,892 --> 01:06:12,962
After the energy merges
happened, I was absolutely

1530
01:06:12,992 --> 01:06:14,132
ravenously hungry.

1531
01:06:14,432 --> 01:06:17,762
So I was eating this huge
plate of pasta and talking to

1532
01:06:17,767 --> 01:06:19,172
Grant about what had happened.

1533
01:06:19,177 --> 01:06:22,502
And and so then we were a
little bit late, about 15

1534
01:06:22,502 --> 01:06:27,092
minutes late or so, 20 minutes
maybe to the CE-5 circle.

1535
01:06:27,467 --> 01:06:29,687
So when we walked
into the circle again,

1536
01:06:29,687 --> 01:06:30,647
it's really dark.

1537
01:06:30,767 --> 01:06:34,697
And I don't think people
on the other side of the

1538
01:06:34,697 --> 01:06:37,277
circle knew that it was
us that were coming in.

1539
01:06:38,027 --> 01:06:40,097
But when we started getting
close to the circle,

1540
01:06:40,187 --> 01:06:43,307
people started exclaiming
making sounds and saying,

1541
01:06:43,307 --> 01:06:45,677
oh, there's a really big
energy that's suddenly

1542
01:06:45,677 --> 01:06:46,427
come into this circle.

1543
01:06:46,427 --> 01:06:48,632
There's this really big
energy that suddenly come in.

1544
01:06:49,352 --> 01:06:52,172
And I'm not hearing any of
this by the way, this is all

1545
01:06:52,172 --> 01:06:55,412
told to me later because I
can't really hear in the dark.

1546
01:06:55,792 --> 01:06:56,212
It's funny.

1547
01:06:56,212 --> 01:06:57,412
People can't see in the dark.

1548
01:06:57,412 --> 01:06:58,432
I can't hear in the dark.

1549
01:06:58,437 --> 01:07:00,292
I have to be able to see
people, I have to be able

1550
01:07:00,292 --> 01:07:04,002
to see their faces, their
their lip movements, their

1551
01:07:04,002 --> 01:07:06,582
facial expressions, their
body language in order to

1552
01:07:06,582 --> 01:07:08,862
really have full context
of what's being said.

1553
01:07:09,282 --> 01:07:11,652
And I need to be able
to match the sounds that

1554
01:07:11,652 --> 01:07:14,052
I'm hearing with what
I'm seeing on the mouth.

1555
01:07:14,142 --> 01:07:15,852
And so in the dark,
I can't do that.

1556
01:07:16,182 --> 01:07:18,432
So I could hear people's
voices, but I had no

1557
01:07:18,432 --> 01:07:19,692
idea what was being said.

1558
01:07:19,752 --> 01:07:21,762
And so I completely
missed this whole part.

1559
01:07:22,762 --> 01:07:25,552
And because people were
exclaiming about this energy,

1560
01:07:25,702 --> 01:07:28,402
this big energy coming into
the circle unexpectedly

1561
01:07:28,622 --> 01:07:32,222
Marcel, the guy who was
leading it, who had been

1562
01:07:32,252 --> 01:07:35,822
one of the co-presenters
of the C5 presentation that

1563
01:07:35,827 --> 01:07:38,222
afternoon where the energy
merged actually happened.

1564
01:07:38,732 --> 01:07:40,622
He's now, it's hours
later and he's now

1565
01:07:40,622 --> 01:07:41,912
leading the CE-5 circle.

1566
01:07:42,122 --> 01:07:43,802
He was feeling it
too, this energy.

1567
01:07:43,802 --> 01:07:46,982
So he said, okay, everybody,
let's take a break and

1568
01:07:47,162 --> 01:07:49,172
cuz you're all getting
distracted by this feeling

1569
01:07:49,172 --> 01:07:50,342
and let's investigate it.

1570
01:07:50,342 --> 01:07:52,532
Let's just take our cameras,
whatever kind of camera

1571
01:07:52,537 --> 01:07:55,562
you have, and just take
photographs of what's

1572
01:07:55,562 --> 01:07:58,262
around you and we'll just
see if anything emerges.

1573
01:07:58,832 --> 01:08:00,452
So that was the context.

1574
01:08:00,482 --> 01:08:04,872
And so this woman who I didn't
know took this photograph and

1575
01:08:05,052 --> 01:08:08,532
I, and then after she took
it, she came up to Grant

1576
01:08:08,532 --> 01:08:10,902
and I, and you can see in
the foreground, you can

1577
01:08:10,907 --> 01:08:14,952
see Grant sitting there
with his chair slightly

1578
01:08:15,312 --> 01:08:18,702
bent back and his head is
turned away from the camera.

1579
01:08:19,062 --> 01:08:21,072
He's talking to me who
is on the other side of

1580
01:08:21,072 --> 01:08:22,932
him, and his arm is up.

1581
01:08:23,492 --> 01:08:25,622
He's moving his arm
around while he talks.

1582
01:08:26,252 --> 01:08:28,652
So that is the
first photograph.

1583
01:08:28,652 --> 01:08:31,322
And so the woman who took
it immediately came over

1584
01:08:31,322 --> 01:08:34,772
and told us that she was
seeing this funny light and

1585
01:08:34,777 --> 01:08:36,212
something standing beside me.

1586
01:08:36,272 --> 01:08:38,972
And I didn't hear it because
I couldn't hear in the dark.

1587
01:08:39,362 --> 01:08:42,932
So again, this is something I
was not aware of until Grant

1588
01:08:42,992 --> 01:08:46,742
told me something like half an
hour later with a flashlight

1589
01:08:46,742 --> 01:08:47,402
in front of his face.

1590
01:08:47,402 --> 01:08:48,562
So I could see his lips.

1591
01:08:48,562 --> 01:08:49,672
And then I said, oh.

1592
01:08:49,732 --> 01:08:52,342
And so I ran after the
woman and asked to see

1593
01:08:52,342 --> 01:08:54,622
the photograph and asked
her to send it to me.

1594
01:08:55,492 --> 01:09:02,802
And then the second photograph
is a closeup of Grant and

1595
01:09:02,802 --> 01:09:04,992
I sitting in the chairs.

1596
01:09:04,992 --> 01:09:07,662
So Grant is again
in the foreground.

1597
01:09:07,692 --> 01:09:10,212
His face is turned
away from the camera.

1598
01:09:10,617 --> 01:09:14,247
And I'm be, I'm behind
him from the viewer from

1599
01:09:14,247 --> 01:09:15,087
the viewer's perspective.

1600
01:09:15,087 --> 01:09:19,437
Right now my chair is back
a little further than his.

1601
01:09:19,437 --> 01:09:21,597
I'm wearing a pink
sweater, so you can see my

1602
01:09:21,747 --> 01:09:23,337
shoulder behind his chair.

1603
01:09:24,297 --> 01:09:28,407
And then my arm is straight
up in the air and on my chest

1604
01:09:28,407 --> 01:09:32,667
is a very bright light and
with tendrils coming outta it.

1605
01:09:32,727 --> 01:09:36,367
And so here is the
very closeup version,

1606
01:09:36,372 --> 01:09:39,647
which is my arm raised.

1607
01:09:39,737 --> 01:09:41,657
And this little being or
what looks like a little

1608
01:09:41,662 --> 01:09:43,907
being standing right
in front of my hand.

1609
01:09:44,507 --> 01:09:47,837
So you can see a head
shape, an eye, the

1610
01:09:47,837 --> 01:09:49,307
neck, the shoulder.

1611
01:09:49,307 --> 01:09:50,447
It's very small.

1612
01:09:50,447 --> 01:09:53,477
It's the same height as most
people say little grays are,

1613
01:09:53,482 --> 01:09:54,947
or a lot of little beings are.

1614
01:09:55,457 --> 01:09:57,862
Yeah, it's interesting
and apparently there's

1615
01:09:57,862 --> 01:10:00,502
a lot of other faces
in this image as well.

1616
01:10:00,502 --> 01:10:02,062
The larger original image.

1617
01:10:02,422 --> 01:10:04,792
That I can't see, but other
people have, including

1618
01:10:04,792 --> 01:10:08,272
Barbara, who has decades
long experience of working

1619
01:10:08,272 --> 01:10:10,792
with Experiencers, hearing
their stories, seeing

1620
01:10:10,792 --> 01:10:13,582
photographs, and she said
that this is legitimate.

1621
01:10:13,582 --> 01:10:16,852
So I don't know, it just
seems oddly coincidental

1622
01:10:16,852 --> 01:10:19,612
considering how I was feeling,
that I was still feeling

1623
01:10:19,612 --> 01:10:22,102
the reverberations of this
very strong energy, that

1624
01:10:22,102 --> 01:10:25,382
the being had come with the
energy merge hours earlier.

1625
01:10:26,312 --> 01:10:29,372
And in my visualization
near the end of the energy

1626
01:10:29,372 --> 01:10:31,952
merge, I saw this very
bright light in my chest.

1627
01:10:31,952 --> 01:10:33,872
There's a very bright
light on my chest in this

1628
01:10:33,872 --> 01:10:36,932
photograph that's not
explainable, plus this little

1629
01:10:36,932 --> 01:10:38,402
being standing next to me.

1630
01:10:38,552 --> 01:10:40,862
And I have experience
with ets and also

1631
01:10:40,892 --> 01:10:41,822
that's something else.

1632
01:10:42,272 --> 01:10:46,772
Before this event, I was
seeing ET faces, gray

1633
01:10:46,777 --> 01:10:50,252
faces in the clouds a
lot outside my apartment.

1634
01:10:50,342 --> 01:10:53,472
Very detailed, clear ET faces.

1635
01:10:53,522 --> 01:10:55,682
It happened two or three
days before I left for

1636
01:10:55,682 --> 01:10:58,082
the event, and I was just
looking at them going.

1637
01:10:58,382 --> 01:11:02,382
Okay, ET faces, okay,
what do I do with this?

1638
01:11:02,382 --> 01:11:04,452
Because it's usually
some kind of a message.

1639
01:11:05,142 --> 01:11:08,622
And then, this event occurred
and it made me realize

1640
01:11:08,627 --> 01:11:10,752
that they were saying
hello this is gonna happen.

1641
01:11:11,232 --> 01:11:13,392
There's something that's
going to occur involving us.

1642
01:11:13,452 --> 01:11:15,072
So they were giving me a
little bit of a heads up

1643
01:11:15,072 --> 01:11:16,872
that I was not understanding
it, or at least that's

1644
01:11:16,872 --> 01:11:17,802
the way I translate it.

1645
01:11:17,832 --> 01:11:19,872
I don't know how else
to make sense of that.

1646
01:11:20,532 --> 01:11:22,752
So it was a pretty interesting
experience, just the fact

1647
01:11:22,752 --> 01:11:24,882
that this photograph was
taken, what it shows,

1648
01:11:24,882 --> 01:11:28,302
but also it does line up
perfectly with what I had

1649
01:11:28,302 --> 01:11:29,892
experienced earlier that day.

1650
01:11:30,162 --> 01:11:31,782
And I didn't take
that picture.

1651
01:11:32,382 --> 01:11:34,002
I haven't done
anything to alter it.

1652
01:11:34,032 --> 01:11:37,507
It's the original photograph
with a lighter filter over

1653
01:11:37,507 --> 01:11:40,817
it to be able to see more
clearly what was in the

1654
01:11:40,822 --> 01:11:41,837
dark in the photograph.

1655
01:11:42,467 --> 01:11:44,237
But that was done by
the woman who took it.

1656
01:11:44,242 --> 01:11:46,667
I have not made any
alterations whatsoever, so

1657
01:11:46,757 --> 01:11:48,132
it's intriguing for sure.

1658
01:11:49,132 --> 01:11:50,062
Rod Bland: Yeah,
it's pretty amazing.

1659
01:11:50,062 --> 01:11:52,382
I, the I could definitely
see the figure.

1660
01:11:52,712 --> 01:11:54,392
I showed it to my wife
and she goes, what?

1661
01:11:54,942 --> 01:11:57,482
So do you think that the
being that you encountered

1662
01:11:57,482 --> 01:12:01,712
there was one of those beings
that appeared, was it back

1663
01:12:01,717 --> 01:12:03,512
in 2019 in your lounge room?

1664
01:12:04,262 --> 01:12:05,022
Sinead Whelehan: Oh gosh.

1665
01:12:05,132 --> 01:12:06,302
I really don't know.

1666
01:12:06,352 --> 01:12:09,122
The fact that it showed up
physically the way that it

1667
01:12:09,122 --> 01:12:10,767
did, with that physicality.

1668
01:12:11,337 --> 01:12:12,987
I did talk to Grant
about it because he

1669
01:12:12,987 --> 01:12:14,967
was there with me and I
asked him what he thought

1670
01:12:15,327 --> 01:12:17,747
and he said that it's,
there's different types of

1671
01:12:17,797 --> 01:12:20,637
grays and it sounded most
similar to this type of gray

1672
01:12:20,637 --> 01:12:22,167
that is very tall and thin.

1673
01:12:22,857 --> 01:12:25,377
And cuz it had their
bit of a bulbus head.

1674
01:12:25,382 --> 01:12:27,482
Not really super
bulbus, a little bit.

1675
01:12:27,482 --> 01:12:28,322
Just a little bit there.

1676
01:12:29,192 --> 01:12:30,332
Yeah, I don't know.

1677
01:12:30,382 --> 01:12:32,782
I've asked them to
show me who they are.

1678
01:12:32,782 --> 01:12:34,222
I've asked them to show up.

1679
01:12:34,567 --> 01:12:37,587
I've asked to actually
meet them, and that's a,

1680
01:12:37,592 --> 01:12:39,677
okay, so that's actually
a part of the story.

1681
01:12:40,007 --> 01:12:41,627
I had been asking
them to meet them.

1682
01:12:42,017 --> 01:12:44,657
I had been saying for about
two months before August,

1683
01:12:44,657 --> 01:12:49,017
2021 in Illinois before
the energy merge, I, and

1684
01:12:49,022 --> 01:12:51,087
then I was laughing at
myself about it afterwards

1685
01:12:51,092 --> 01:12:52,767
because it was like, be
careful what you wish for.

1686
01:12:52,767 --> 01:12:55,282
It was so incredibly intense
and I do not regret it, but

1687
01:12:55,282 --> 01:12:56,842
it was incredibly intense.

1688
01:12:57,232 --> 01:12:59,722
So for about two months before
that, I had been talking to

1689
01:12:59,722 --> 01:13:02,182
them and saying, I think I
might be better to meet you.

1690
01:13:02,632 --> 01:13:03,652
I trust you.

1691
01:13:03,732 --> 01:13:06,342
I've always only had positive
experiences with them.

1692
01:13:06,342 --> 01:13:08,232
So I said, I trust you.

1693
01:13:08,262 --> 01:13:10,212
You can show up in the
way that you feel is

1694
01:13:10,212 --> 01:13:12,132
most appropriate for me,
but I would really like

1695
01:13:12,132 --> 01:13:13,302
to see you or meet you.

1696
01:13:13,422 --> 01:13:14,652
It's not essential.

1697
01:13:14,892 --> 01:13:17,352
It doesn't absolutely have
to happen, but I would love

1698
01:13:17,352 --> 01:13:18,642
it if that's okay with you.

1699
01:13:18,972 --> 01:13:20,052
That's basically
what I was saying.

1700
01:13:20,772 --> 01:13:25,602
So then lo and behold, I go to
this event and this happened.

1701
01:13:25,607 --> 01:13:26,742
And there were
other things too.

1702
01:13:26,747 --> 01:13:29,437
For example I was teasing
Grant quite a lot at the

1703
01:13:29,437 --> 01:13:32,987
time about having his number
be 1111 because he is not

1704
01:13:32,987 --> 01:13:34,157
really into numerology.

1705
01:13:34,157 --> 01:13:36,497
And I had this number, pattern
three that was happening

1706
01:13:36,497 --> 01:13:39,707
so dominantly, especially
around that time again

1707
01:13:39,767 --> 01:13:41,057
cuz it happens in phases.

1708
01:13:41,417 --> 01:13:42,587
So I'd been teasing
him about it.

1709
01:13:43,347 --> 01:13:46,627
We got to the B and b where,
he had a room and I had a

1710
01:13:46,627 --> 01:13:49,387
room and, everybody it was
not a very large place.

1711
01:13:49,447 --> 01:13:51,217
Some people had their
individual rooms of what

1712
01:13:51,217 --> 01:13:55,447
seemed like this house, but
there were little key hats in

1713
01:13:55,447 --> 01:13:58,237
front of every door that you
had a lock on your door, you

1714
01:13:58,237 --> 01:13:59,467
had to punch in your code.

1715
01:13:59,737 --> 01:14:01,777
Well, Grant's code was 1111.

1716
01:14:02,197 --> 01:14:03,487
That's the code that
was given to him.

1717
01:14:03,967 --> 01:14:05,707
So there were just little
things like that, that

1718
01:14:05,707 --> 01:14:07,387
were happening as well,
that were making both

1719
01:14:07,392 --> 01:14:08,737
of us laugh and go, huh.

1720
01:14:09,337 --> 01:14:11,317
And so I had this feeling
like something was gonna

1721
01:14:11,317 --> 01:14:14,832
happen and I just, I had
that the week before I went.

1722
01:14:14,832 --> 01:14:17,142
I even told friends of
mine and then later on.

1723
01:14:18,142 --> 01:14:20,322
I got back from Illinois
and was telling them

1724
01:14:20,322 --> 01:14:22,332
about it and they said,
so did something happen?

1725
01:14:22,992 --> 01:14:24,062
And I was like
let me tell you.

1726
01:14:24,122 --> 01:14:26,672
Plus when I got back
from Illinois, this

1727
01:14:26,672 --> 01:14:28,912
is the part I did not
talk about in JeffMara.

1728
01:14:29,072 --> 01:14:30,122
There just wasn't enough time.

1729
01:14:30,902 --> 01:14:34,022
Five days after I got back, I
was sitting having a Zoom with

1730
01:14:34,022 --> 01:14:36,562
two friends of mine, one of
whom who had been a presenter

1731
01:14:36,652 --> 01:14:39,352
at the event, and the other
had been the person who

1732
01:14:39,352 --> 01:14:42,562
organized the event where this
energy emerge thing happened.

1733
01:14:43,132 --> 01:14:45,472
And I was talking to them and
I was telling them about what

1734
01:14:45,472 --> 01:14:48,112
had occurred because I hadn't
been able to explain it.

1735
01:14:48,112 --> 01:14:49,582
There was just
too much going on.

1736
01:14:50,152 --> 01:14:52,522
I needed time to process,
et cetera, et cetera.

1737
01:14:53,302 --> 01:14:56,872
And so I'm talking to them
about it, and as I'm telling

1738
01:14:56,872 --> 01:15:01,522
them the story of what
occurred, my phone goes Bing.

1739
01:15:01,822 --> 01:15:04,822
And this message shows
up on Facebook and it's

1740
01:15:04,827 --> 01:15:08,422
from a medium, a psychic
actually, who I had never

1741
01:15:08,422 --> 01:15:09,832
spoken with in person.

1742
01:15:09,922 --> 01:15:10,792
Have you heard this?

1743
01:15:10,792 --> 01:15:11,392
Did you hear of this

1744
01:15:11,602 --> 01:15:11,822
Rod Bland: No.

1745
01:15:12,002 --> 01:15:12,222
No.

1746
01:15:12,742 --> 01:15:15,172
Sinead Whelehan: So this
was really bizarre, and this

1747
01:15:15,172 --> 01:15:17,122
is the kind of validation
that I'm telling you.

1748
01:15:17,172 --> 01:15:19,422
It just makes me feel
over and over again,

1749
01:15:19,842 --> 01:15:20,802
okay, this is real.

1750
01:15:20,932 --> 01:15:21,742
I'm not nuts.

1751
01:15:21,742 --> 01:15:22,517
This really is happening.

1752
01:15:23,207 --> 01:15:26,027
So five days later, talking to
my friends, telling 'em this

1753
01:15:26,032 --> 01:15:29,507
story, my phone goes off, I
pick up, I say, oh, I'm sorry,

1754
01:15:29,897 --> 01:15:31,127
which I don't normally do.

1755
01:15:31,247 --> 01:15:33,827
I don't normally let my phone
distract me from attention.

1756
01:15:33,827 --> 01:15:36,107
I'm giving people I generally
think that's rude unless

1757
01:15:36,107 --> 01:15:37,067
it's important, right?

1758
01:15:37,457 --> 01:15:39,047
But I have this feeling
I should look at it.

1759
01:15:39,047 --> 01:15:40,157
And so I said,
I'm really sorry.

1760
01:15:40,157 --> 01:15:40,757
Hang on a second.

1761
01:15:40,757 --> 01:15:41,927
I'm just gonna look
at this message.

1762
01:15:42,467 --> 01:15:44,807
And they witnessed
me going, oh my God.

1763
01:15:44,807 --> 01:15:47,027
Because what it was a
message from this psychic

1764
01:15:47,027 --> 01:15:49,457
who's now a friend of mine,
because this event that

1765
01:15:49,457 --> 01:15:50,477
happened connected us.

1766
01:15:50,477 --> 01:15:53,027
It was too weird,
the message from her.

1767
01:15:53,027 --> 01:15:55,127
I had never had a
conversation with her.

1768
01:15:55,577 --> 01:15:59,027
I had never spoken with
her or met her or had any

1769
01:15:59,027 --> 01:16:02,897
one-on-one interaction with
her except a Zoom event that

1770
01:16:02,902 --> 01:16:06,047
she had for people who were
interested in psychic ability.

1771
01:16:06,287 --> 01:16:07,577
And she was leading it.

1772
01:16:07,577 --> 01:16:09,067
But there was 10 other
people in the group.

1773
01:16:09,497 --> 01:16:11,567
So I had never communicated
with her one-on-one.

1774
01:16:12,077 --> 01:16:14,567
And she sends this message
saying to me, hi, I know we

1775
01:16:14,567 --> 01:16:15,557
don't really know each other.

1776
01:16:15,557 --> 01:16:16,547
I'm really sorry.

1777
01:16:16,817 --> 01:16:18,047
We were connected on Facebook.

1778
01:16:18,407 --> 01:16:19,247
I'm really sorry.

1779
01:16:19,247 --> 01:16:21,737
I hope you don't mind, but I
have to give you this message.

1780
01:16:22,187 --> 01:16:25,367
And it, it has this
otherworldly feeling, she

1781
01:16:25,367 --> 01:16:28,547
says to me, and it was a
message that was directly in

1782
01:16:28,547 --> 01:16:31,577
line with what had happened,
the energy merge and what

1783
01:16:31,577 --> 01:16:34,247
I had experienced and the
thoughts and feelings I had

1784
01:16:34,247 --> 01:16:36,462
about it, and the conversation
I had with Grant about it.

1785
01:16:36,792 --> 01:16:38,562
It was a hundred percent
in line with that.

1786
01:16:39,282 --> 01:16:41,652
And so I just could
not believe it Again,

1787
01:16:41,742 --> 01:16:42,552
I couldn't believe it.

1788
01:16:42,582 --> 01:16:44,862
I still get surprised by these
things when they happened.

1789
01:16:45,432 --> 01:16:47,982
So I immediately told my
friends, they couldn't believe

1790
01:16:47,982 --> 01:16:50,862
it cuz they had been there,
they had seen and heard about

1791
01:16:50,862 --> 01:16:53,202
what had happened, but hadn't
gotten all the details, which

1792
01:16:53,207 --> 01:16:53,862
is why I was telling them.

1793
01:16:54,862 --> 01:16:56,152
And it was just insane.

1794
01:16:56,152 --> 01:16:57,712
And then that happened
two more times.

1795
01:16:57,712 --> 01:17:00,382
That has happened two more
times since most recently.

1796
01:17:00,862 --> 01:17:03,412
When at the very beginning
of May, I went to a U

1797
01:17:03,412 --> 01:17:05,902
F O conference in New
York, a really good U F

1798
01:17:05,902 --> 01:17:08,852
O conference that's very
small, but excellent very

1799
01:17:08,852 --> 01:17:09,962
good quality information.

1800
01:17:09,962 --> 01:17:11,402
And so I went there.

1801
01:17:11,402 --> 01:17:14,042
The first night that I
arrived, this funny little

1802
01:17:14,042 --> 01:17:16,472
thing happened where I
had asked them to show up

1803
01:17:16,472 --> 01:17:18,092
and say hello them right?

1804
01:17:18,142 --> 01:17:20,692
If they felt like it, I
said that it would be great.

1805
01:17:20,752 --> 01:17:21,832
I'm going to this event.

1806
01:17:22,132 --> 01:17:23,572
It's all about you guys.

1807
01:17:23,842 --> 01:17:25,192
I'll be thinking about you.

1808
01:17:25,312 --> 01:17:26,962
It's been a while since
we've been in touch.

1809
01:17:26,962 --> 01:17:28,732
I would love to get
something from you.

1810
01:17:28,782 --> 01:17:29,232
And then I just

1811
01:17:29,232 --> 01:17:29,472
left,

1812
01:17:30,147 --> 01:17:30,477
Rod Bland: right?

1813
01:17:31,477 --> 01:17:31,837
Sinead Whelehan: right?

1814
01:17:32,677 --> 01:17:35,527
So no expectations went.

1815
01:17:35,617 --> 01:17:38,227
And the very first night
that I got there, I got

1816
01:17:38,227 --> 01:17:40,237
to my hotel room very
late and I was tired.

1817
01:17:40,787 --> 01:17:43,367
It was about midnight and I
was ready to just go to sleep.

1818
01:17:43,372 --> 01:17:45,107
But something made
me turn on the tv.

1819
01:17:45,557 --> 01:17:48,737
And on the TV was the
menu of what was playing.

1820
01:17:48,767 --> 01:17:50,892
And one of those items
was the movie Contact

1821
01:17:50,892 --> 01:17:51,822
with Jodi Foster.

1822
01:17:52,767 --> 01:17:56,107
So I instantly saw that
really famous scene, where

1823
01:17:56,112 --> 01:17:58,357
she arrives in the other
dimension and she's on a

1824
01:17:58,357 --> 01:18:00,847
beach that isn't really
a beach, and there's her

1825
01:18:00,847 --> 01:18:03,577
father that isn't really her
father coming down the beach.

1826
01:18:03,577 --> 01:18:05,647
And then they have the most
significant conversation

1827
01:18:05,652 --> 01:18:06,457
in the whole film.

1828
01:18:07,457 --> 01:18:10,307
And I saw that whole
scene in my mind.

1829
01:18:10,307 --> 01:18:13,787
And then I turned to the
film and that exact scene

1830
01:18:13,967 --> 01:18:16,067
had just started playing.

1831
01:18:17,067 --> 01:18:19,497
And I thought,
that's too weird.

1832
01:18:20,497 --> 01:18:21,672
So I felt hi guys.

1833
01:18:21,677 --> 01:18:24,832
I just felt like it was a
hello from them because the

1834
01:18:24,832 --> 01:18:27,652
fact that I would be the day
before going, the night before

1835
01:18:27,682 --> 01:18:30,322
going to a UFO conference
Contact would be on tv.

1836
01:18:30,802 --> 01:18:33,802
Then I see that scene in
my mind, and then that's

1837
01:18:33,802 --> 01:18:36,382
the exact scene that's
playing on television from

1838
01:18:36,382 --> 01:18:37,762
the minute that it started.

1839
01:18:37,812 --> 01:18:39,197
It was just too funny.

1840
01:18:39,407 --> 01:18:41,327
And so I felt like that
was them saying hello.

1841
01:18:41,357 --> 01:18:43,757
Maybe it wasn't, but I feel
like it was, cause I don't

1842
01:18:43,757 --> 01:18:46,577
know how else to explain that
little string of coincidences.

1843
01:18:47,127 --> 01:18:49,497
And then and then a couple
of days after I got back

1844
01:18:49,497 --> 01:18:51,747
from the conference, I got
a message from my psychic

1845
01:18:51,747 --> 01:18:54,917
friend who was validating
again, what I had experienced.

1846
01:18:54,917 --> 01:18:58,157
It was really, it's really
something, how it occurs.

1847
01:18:58,337 --> 01:18:59,327
It's really something.

1848
01:18:59,477 --> 01:19:00,557
And it's really fun.

1849
01:19:00,587 --> 01:19:03,807
And it's also, really
expansive and exciting and

1850
01:19:03,807 --> 01:19:07,047
wonderful in many ways that
are very meaningful to me.

1851
01:19:07,467 --> 01:19:10,257
But it's also important really
important to stay grounded in

1852
01:19:10,257 --> 01:19:14,007
this reality and not get too
caught up because both are

1853
01:19:14,007 --> 01:19:17,607
real and we have to straddle
both, I think, in order to

1854
01:19:18,607 --> 01:19:20,107
handle it all effectively.

1855
01:19:21,107 --> 01:19:23,177
Rod Bland: I was just
thinking, when you asked

1856
01:19:23,177 --> 01:19:28,297
for, one of the visitors to
show up, my first inclination

1857
01:19:28,297 --> 01:19:31,897
was they had to do the
energy merge to lift your

1858
01:19:31,902 --> 01:19:34,927
vibration high enough so
that you could see them and

1859
01:19:34,927 --> 01:19:37,837
that they actually exist
in a, at a vibration level

1860
01:19:37,837 --> 01:19:39,947
that we gen we just can't
see normally then that's

1861
01:19:39,947 --> 01:19:40,907
why they had to do that.

1862
01:19:40,907 --> 01:19:42,257
So that you could
actually see that.

1863
01:19:42,257 --> 01:19:44,627
But the effect would only last
for a certain period of time.

1864
01:19:45,017 --> 01:19:46,007
That was the first
thing I thought of.

1865
01:19:47,007 --> 01:19:48,817
Sinead Whelehan:
Yeah that, yeah.

1866
01:19:48,867 --> 01:19:50,697
That would make sense to
me that they were helping

1867
01:19:50,702 --> 01:19:52,997
me level up vibrationally
or something so that I

1868
01:19:52,997 --> 01:19:54,047
can have more contact.

1869
01:19:54,077 --> 01:19:54,917
I really hope so.

1870
01:19:55,337 --> 01:19:56,537
I hope I have more and more.

1871
01:19:56,537 --> 01:19:58,007
I hope I have it for
the rest of my life.

1872
01:19:58,037 --> 01:19:58,637
I really do.

1873
01:19:59,137 --> 01:20:00,007
Rod Bland: You're
almost due, aren't you?

1874
01:20:00,037 --> 01:20:02,777
Cuz it's like middle
of June, 2023.

1875
01:20:02,827 --> 01:20:04,357
You were saying it's
every two years, so

1876
01:20:05,287 --> 01:20:06,097
should be pretty soon.

1877
01:20:07,097 --> 01:20:07,757
Sinead Whelehan: We'll
see what happens.

1878
01:20:08,147 --> 01:20:09,587
If something happens,
I will let you know.

1879
01:20:10,307 --> 01:20:10,727
Rod Bland: Yeah.

1880
01:20:10,817 --> 01:20:11,607
Yeah, I'd love to hear it.

1881
01:20:12,117 --> 01:20:12,477
All right.

1882
01:20:12,477 --> 01:20:14,457
People are probably gonna
have questions maybe you'll

1883
01:20:14,457 --> 01:20:15,687
come back for a live stream.

1884
01:20:15,687 --> 01:20:16,867
I often have guests
come back for that.

1885
01:20:17,017 --> 01:20:20,057
But if anyone wants to
ask you questions, is that

1886
01:20:20,057 --> 01:20:20,807
something that you're open to?

1887
01:20:20,812 --> 01:20:22,307
And what's the best way
for them to do that?

1888
01:20:22,802 --> 01:20:23,612
Sinead Whelehan: Absolutely.

1889
01:20:23,612 --> 01:20:24,242
Absolutely.

1890
01:20:24,247 --> 01:20:25,747
So they can email me.

1891
01:20:25,747 --> 01:20:27,007
That's really the
best way to do it.

1892
01:20:27,007 --> 01:20:30,517
It's my first name,
Sade, s i n e a d, and

1893
01:20:30,517 --> 01:20:33,727
then my middle initial
a and my last initial W.

1894
01:20:33,727 --> 01:20:36,247
So sineadaw@gmail.com.

1895
01:20:37,157 --> 01:20:37,907
Rod Bland: All right, cool.

1896
01:20:38,627 --> 01:20:42,707
And do you have any
final messages for

1897
01:20:42,737 --> 01:20:44,627
people who are watching
this interview Sinéad?

1898
01:20:45,297 --> 01:20:45,517
Sinead Whelehan: Oh.

1899
01:20:45,867 --> 01:20:48,837
What's coming to the top
of my head is be curious.

1900
01:20:48,867 --> 01:20:52,327
Be curious, keep learning,
keep being curious, keep

1901
01:20:52,327 --> 01:20:55,777
exploring, because it's
really important in so many

1902
01:20:55,777 --> 01:20:59,107
different ways to do that,
not just for the paranormal

1903
01:20:59,112 --> 01:21:01,527
or for extraterrestrials
or for cosmic topics.

1904
01:21:02,212 --> 01:21:04,792
But just for ordinary human
life, I think it's really

1905
01:21:04,792 --> 01:21:07,402
important in terms of
connecting with each other

1906
01:21:07,402 --> 01:21:11,542
in a really meaningful,
heart-based, compassionate,

1907
01:21:11,602 --> 01:21:16,942
non-judgmental way to to be
genuinely curious about each

1908
01:21:16,947 --> 01:21:19,402
other rather than judging,
or rather than seeing each

1909
01:21:19,402 --> 01:21:22,972
other as being separate, to be
curious and to ask about other

1910
01:21:22,972 --> 01:21:24,592
people's experiences of life.

1911
01:21:25,402 --> 01:21:28,312
So yeah, I think I
would leave it at that.

1912
01:21:28,312 --> 01:21:31,462
It may seem like a small,
obvious thing, but to me

1913
01:21:31,462 --> 01:21:34,522
curiosity is incredibly
important and a willingness

1914
01:21:34,527 --> 01:21:38,212
to be adventurous within
that curiosity as well.

1915
01:21:38,822 --> 01:21:40,262
Rod Bland: Sinéad, thank
you for that message,

1916
01:21:40,262 --> 01:21:42,812
and thank you also for
being my guest today.

1917
01:21:43,682 --> 01:21:45,212
Sinead Whelehan: Thank you
so much for having me, Rod.

1918
01:21:45,212 --> 01:21:46,262
I really appreciate it.

1919
01:21:46,472 --> 01:21:47,162
Thank you so much.