1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,840 Welcome back to the Hot dish. We are blessed 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,480 today to have a governor who is not 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,080 only our neighboring governor, but one of our dear friends. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,280 Thanks so much, governor for joining us on the hot dish. Thanks, 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,760 Heidi. And a hot dish champion, I might add, in Congress. So, 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,580 yeah, you know, three time champion. You know, I think Amy might 7 00:00:27,660 --> 00:00:31,420 not agree with that. I, I know she's I believe a 8 00:00:31,420 --> 00:00:34,980 one time champion. I believe I had a 3 Pete in there at one point 9 00:00:34,980 --> 00:00:38,700 with my, with my spam hot dish. So 10 00:00:38,860 --> 00:00:42,540 that was a winner. Yeah. Obviously 11 00:00:42,540 --> 00:00:45,620 neither one of you have ever eaten my deer sausage. I can put that in 12 00:00:45,620 --> 00:00:49,140 a hot dish too, just for the record. Well, I would eat that. You know, 13 00:00:49,140 --> 00:00:52,940 the year both of us got beat, there was a lot of controversy because Colin 14 00:00:52,940 --> 00:00:56,790 Peterson won it with a bear hot dish. The 15 00:00:56,790 --> 00:01:00,630 bear was not the controversy. He got it in Wisconsin. That was the 16 00:01:00,630 --> 00:01:01,390 controversy. 17 00:01:04,030 --> 00:01:07,230 Colin is a cook too, so. Well, it's good to see you both. 18 00:01:07,630 --> 00:01:11,350 It's good to see you. Just for a little background, folks, you 19 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:15,150 know, Governor Walz, born in rural country, which is why we 20 00:01:15,150 --> 00:01:18,430 love him so much on the Hot Dish. He was in the House of Representatives 21 00:01:18,910 --> 00:01:22,710 from 2007 to 2019. I don't even need 22 00:01:22,710 --> 00:01:26,400 to tell you about this man. Served on the ticket was a 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,120 huge part of really what made us so proud here in the 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,760 Midwest. And not to mention the fact that this guy drives an international 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,440 Scout. So that's enough for me right there. 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,200 Governor, you decided to run again. Tell people why. 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,520 Yeah, I did. And again, it's great to be with both of you. Look, 28 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,360 I, I think I keep saying this where everybody says these are unprecedented times. 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,070 I want to live in precedent at times. But I still think that 30 00:01:53,070 --> 00:01:56,390 time in Congress especially, and I would argue here in Minnesota, I had the most 31 00:01:56,390 --> 00:01:59,870 closely divided legislature in the country last year and we passed a budget, 32 00:02:00,030 --> 00:02:03,470 cut spending, we're able to cut some taxes, still 33 00:02:03,470 --> 00:02:06,990 invested in education, health care, balance the budget. 34 00:02:08,270 --> 00:02:12,030 I believe that government is a force of good, but I also believe 35 00:02:12,030 --> 00:02:15,830 that compromise is somewhat at the key of this. Now, I'm not going to compromise 36 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:19,510 on people's human rights, but I'll certainly compromise on policies that make a difference. 37 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:23,360 And I think right now with what we're seeing out of dc, 38 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,120 what we're seeing out of decisions being made, going over the Congress, you know, 39 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,640 things that were appropriated, you know, both of you are experienced in this. 40 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:33,960 Heidi, you worked on it. When we craft a Farm Bill and have the nutrition 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,320 title in there, we're not pretending when we put money into SNAP and the President 42 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,000 doesn't get to just hold that up. I think here in Minnesota, 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,840 we're seeing progress on a lot of fronts and I think 44 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,510 I've got the experience to get us through one more term. So I've asked the 45 00:02:48,510 --> 00:02:51,990 people to give me another opportunity. Well, 46 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:55,670 I mean, you're running at a time when 47 00:02:56,230 --> 00:03:00,070 the farm economy's looking a little bleaker than it did four years 48 00:03:00,070 --> 00:03:03,789 ago, Tim. And I'm sure you're watching that. I'm sure you're 49 00:03:03,789 --> 00:03:07,510 thinking about all the soybean farmers and the corn farmers and the, 50 00:03:07,590 --> 00:03:11,350 you know, the folks who raise livestock in Minnesota. 51 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:15,750 How when you talk to your colleagues, other Governors, 52 00:03:16,790 --> 00:03:20,450 how do you kind of talk about what's happening, happening with the economy 53 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:24,370 in rural America? Yeah, and, and again, talking to both of 54 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:27,370 you, it's why I really enjoy this. I, I had the privilege, Heidi, of being 55 00:03:27,370 --> 00:03:31,050 on a conference committee for a Farm Bill. I think the last one we 56 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:34,050 enacted because they can't get one done, where you were a leader on that. 57 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:38,250 And it was so encouraging to bring these voices and you know, that sitting on 58 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:41,970 those conference committees for a farm bill until this, you know, until what we're 59 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:45,490 dealing with right now, that was super bipartisan, really, 60 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:49,150 really good to work on and always trying to make sure that we were strengthening 61 00:03:49,150 --> 00:03:52,830 the world economy. It's a mess right now 62 00:03:53,070 --> 00:03:56,710 and it's an unnecessary, it's a man made mess. Farming's hard 63 00:03:56,710 --> 00:04:00,510 enough, it's very unpredictable weather, everything else. But creating 64 00:04:00,510 --> 00:04:04,190 the situation we had right now, I can't express to people who aren't 65 00:04:04,190 --> 00:04:07,830 out here to realize how precarious this situation is. I know people 66 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:11,590 compare it back to the 80s, I think it's probably 67 00:04:11,590 --> 00:04:15,070 a pretty fair comparison. Land values haven't bottomed out like they did in the 80s. 68 00:04:15,070 --> 00:04:18,229 But that feels to me to be a bit of a bubble where people are 69 00:04:18,229 --> 00:04:21,789 at, people are over leveraged. And this, 70 00:04:21,949 --> 00:04:25,629 this trade war that shifted markets. And I think it's really important to understand 71 00:04:26,589 --> 00:04:30,109 farmers work really hard with their checkoffs, with their organizations 72 00:04:30,509 --> 00:04:34,309 to open these markets, to make sure we have these stable markets. And in 73 00:04:34,309 --> 00:04:38,109 Minnesota, North Dakota, America in general was viewed as a, 74 00:04:38,109 --> 00:04:41,869 as a good trading partner. That's not true anymore. If people think they're going 75 00:04:41,869 --> 00:04:45,490 to take the tariffs off, even if we get a deal with China, they've 76 00:04:45,490 --> 00:04:49,210 recalibrated their purchasing to, to South America and that is 77 00:04:49,210 --> 00:04:52,810 not coming back. And so you have loss of markets, 78 00:04:52,890 --> 00:04:56,610 you have increased production costs because now Brazil 79 00:04:56,610 --> 00:05:00,450 went from 80 million acres to 110 million acres. They need more inputs, 80 00:05:00,450 --> 00:05:04,250 they need more tractors, they need more parts. So our folks are dealing with 81 00:05:04,970 --> 00:05:08,370 supply chain issues around parts, supply chain issues around 82 00:05:08,370 --> 00:05:11,930 inputs, costs increasing on inputs, commodity prices going 83 00:05:11,930 --> 00:05:15,660 down, markets being decimated. And then add 84 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:19,300 on top of that, their local hospitals under threat because 85 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:22,780 that's going to close. They're not seeing the funding for their local schools. 86 00:05:23,340 --> 00:05:26,740 So rural America right now is as 87 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:30,060 precarious as I've seen it and almost 88 00:05:30,140 --> 00:05:33,420 entirely by choice of this administration, 89 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:37,260 not by the work that's been done there, not by the 90 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:40,860 opportunities that still lie in rural America, whether it's sustainable 91 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:44,140 aviation, fuel up in your part of the woods where we're working on, or just 92 00:05:44,660 --> 00:05:48,460 new opportunities. So I think it's tough. And when I talk to other governors, 93 00:05:48,460 --> 00:05:52,220 I'll just tell both of you, I've told folks in rural that I'm 94 00:05:52,220 --> 00:05:55,900 really worried about this because this is an attitude that I think is increasing and 95 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:59,460 I think it's dangerous in our polarization of people saying, 96 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:03,860 well, North Dakota voted Republican. Let them, let them live on that. 97 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:07,060 That's fine. Let them, let them figure out what happened here. That's a terrible thing. 98 00:06:07,220 --> 00:06:10,660 It's terrible to our neighbors. It's terrible for our overall economy. 99 00:06:11,650 --> 00:06:15,370 It's terrible if you eat or need power. But this idea of 100 00:06:15,370 --> 00:06:18,930 being, you know, well, there's not much we can do about rural America. They 101 00:06:18,930 --> 00:06:22,490 voted Republican. Yeah. It's not particularly good 102 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:26,130 politics either. It's terrible. It's terrible. And look, 103 00:06:27,249 --> 00:06:30,450 do I think that you should shame people for the. No, but I think it's 104 00:06:30,450 --> 00:06:33,850 okay to understand is you were lied to. You can tell people that you were 105 00:06:33,850 --> 00:06:36,890 lied to. This guy did a bait and switch on you. He got his tax 106 00:06:36,890 --> 00:06:40,700 cuts for his wealthy and he left farm economies, know, stuck. I 107 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:43,580 tell them too, is, is that, look, we're going to need some of this help 108 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:47,340 they're promising as a bridge loan. Farmers don't want to bail out. They 109 00:06:47,340 --> 00:06:51,020 don't want this. They, that is absolutely. You guys know this better than anybody. 110 00:06:51,020 --> 00:06:54,780 But they need this money now. They need it because it's the foundational. Because I'll 111 00:06:54,780 --> 00:06:57,020 tell you what we're going to end up doing here. We're going to end up 112 00:06:57,020 --> 00:06:59,820 forcing these folks out of business and they're going to be bought up by those 113 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:03,060 predators that swoop in and buy it up. And then we get the consolidation that 114 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:06,550 all of us complain about. So it's a tough one. 115 00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:10,910 The one thing that I would add in all of this is there's, there's a 116 00:07:10,910 --> 00:07:14,550 situation you made reference to the 80s. Okay, so let me just say this. 117 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:18,950 The biggest thing that's happening now to farmers versus the 118 00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:22,790 80s, where there's foreclosure and everything that went with it, 119 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:26,550 is they're just not getting their operating loans. You know, the banks are sitting there 120 00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:29,790 saying the numbers don't work out. We're not giving you the operating loans. Now there's 121 00:07:29,790 --> 00:07:33,500 ranchers in Minnesota, just like there's ranchers all over the areas 122 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:37,540 in the rural areas that are listening to us. So, you know, when a 123 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:41,140 president is on Air Force One and he walks back and he 124 00:07:41,140 --> 00:07:44,740 leans into a microphone and says, we're going to buy Argentinian 125 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:47,864 beef. Right after we gave him $40 126 00:07:48,016 --> 00:07:51,580 billion. And the next day, our boys are trying to sell their feeders at 127 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:55,160 market. And they lost 300 bucks ahead, Governor. 128 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,110 300 bucks ahead. I mean, and that was the one. I 129 00:07:59,110 --> 00:08:02,910 get it. Cattle was the one bright spot there for a while. Everything else 130 00:08:02,910 --> 00:08:06,390 is, you know, sugar beets are down. Every, everything's down. 131 00:08:06,470 --> 00:08:09,990 But cattle was okay. And then this comes. You're exactly right. And, 132 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:13,870 and, and when we talked to him, I said, my responsibility as governor 133 00:08:13,870 --> 00:08:17,710 is. Is making sure that we're supporting those rural communities. We're doing the 134 00:08:17,710 --> 00:08:21,190 things necessary. We keep folks on the land. Because I'll tell you, it may be 135 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:24,910 1% of the population that's directly involved with agriculture, but every one 136 00:08:24,910 --> 00:08:28,490 of our communities is seeing the. The ripple effect through the economy. 137 00:08:28,810 --> 00:08:32,650 And, and look, pile on. Losing the markets on snap, 138 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:36,650 which we know is a market for our products. It's a mess. 139 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:39,810 I do worry about that, Joel, and I don't. I don't know if, because the 140 00:08:39,810 --> 00:08:43,570 land values are still high, if that helps get us out of this, but 141 00:08:43,570 --> 00:08:47,010 you're right. With no operating loans, people are already thinking, next year's planting season. We 142 00:08:47,010 --> 00:08:50,650 just finished up harvest this year. There is so much uncertainty right now, 143 00:08:50,890 --> 00:08:54,720 and especially when you get an average age of 56, 57, some of these 144 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,880 folks are saying, is it worth it anymore? Is it worth to keep doing this? 145 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,960 And they don't have a son or daughter who wants to farm. And 146 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,320 so they're like, you know, why am I struggling? Why am I risking 147 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,160 the legacy of my assets 148 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:13,360 to keep doing this when they don't see any light at the end of the 149 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,000 tunnel? The one thing I want to impress upon people, we talk a lot 150 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,120 about food deserts or grocery deserts and rural 151 00:09:20,590 --> 00:09:24,310 America. When I, when you and I were debating that farm 152 00:09:24,310 --> 00:09:27,950 bill and it was a lot of discussion about SNAP, some of the 153 00:09:28,270 --> 00:09:32,030 best proponents of keeping the SNAP benefits were 154 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:35,870 those rural grocery stores, because they knew how much 155 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:39,710 of their income, how much of those purchases came 156 00:09:39,710 --> 00:09:43,430 from people who were on food assistance. 100%. 157 00:09:43,430 --> 00:09:46,510 I remember this, and I actually expanded it. We were talking about some of these, 158 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,680 you know, kind of the modern version of the, the convenience store or whatever. Many 159 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:53,320 of these things, like quick trips in my neck of the woods, those are the 160 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,160 local grocery store, too, of being accessed to get food, to get, you know, 161 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,400 fresh milk, fresh foods, things like that. But it is a, 162 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,760 it is a precarious situation in, in states like Minnesota, North 163 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,360 Dakota, in the Midwest. Agriculture is still a really big part of our 164 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,360 economy. It, it is going to have 165 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:16,090 immense consequences for this country. And so I'm, 166 00:10:16,090 --> 00:10:19,570 I'm deeply concerned that people think that there's a quick fix here. I think that, 167 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:22,770 you know, if Donald Trump thinks he's going to pressure somebody, he's going to win 168 00:10:22,770 --> 00:10:26,610 a trade war. This truce we have with China is just 169 00:10:26,610 --> 00:10:30,410 simply a truce. The, the, the tariffs are still on, and 170 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:34,490 China's not coming back to our soybean producers. I'm really worried. That's why we're 171 00:10:34,490 --> 00:10:38,060 looking at domestic markets. It's why I'm pushing, you know, sustainable aviation, fuel, 172 00:10:38,530 --> 00:10:41,770 other markets, because we're going to have to, we're going to think about that. They 173 00:10:41,770 --> 00:10:45,610 did that during the first Administration. We never got back the share of the 174 00:10:45,610 --> 00:10:49,010 market that we had before Donald Trump was President. We lost a big part of 175 00:10:49,010 --> 00:10:52,450 that share. I think farmers are starting to understand that. But I want to tell 176 00:10:52,450 --> 00:10:55,450 you about a guy that called into my show, you two from 177 00:10:55,450 --> 00:10:59,210 Manitoba, okay? He calls into my show. He listens to the show 178 00:10:59,210 --> 00:11:03,010 along with a bunch of people in Canada. And he said, joel, the 179 00:11:03,010 --> 00:11:06,690 problem we have is we're being treated poorly. The is problem that we 180 00:11:06,690 --> 00:11:10,050 don't feel welcome. And then we ended up talking, guys, 181 00:11:10,290 --> 00:11:13,970 about Jack Daniels. That's what we talked about. And he said, 182 00:11:13,970 --> 00:11:17,370 I can't find it on my shelf. It'd be like gold to me. I like 183 00:11:17,370 --> 00:11:20,930 a good bottle of a Jack Daniels, a good glass of it. And he 184 00:11:20,930 --> 00:11:23,770 said, we don't have it up here. They're not going to put it on the 185 00:11:23,770 --> 00:11:27,010 shelf. In fact, the people up here don't stock 186 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:31,250 a lot of American products anymore. And I said to him, 187 00:11:31,410 --> 00:11:34,570 I said, well, you come on down to my place. You know, I'll get you 188 00:11:34,570 --> 00:11:38,400 one. And he goes, I don't feel welcome there. I'm not coming until 189 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,280 I feel welcome there. You know, I, I put out ads out of our Explore 190 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,680 Minnesota and, and said, you know, be welcome. You're always welcome here. And, you know, 191 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,680 Thunder Bay is right across the border up there from Grand Portage. We get a 192 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:51,520 lot of people come over. They're our closest friends. You know, 193 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,240 we're, we're mostly Canadian, if you will, in how, 194 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,400 how Minnesotans act. And, and I did that same thing, and I put that out, 195 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,560 and I got, I got pushed back from people and said, look, we trust you 196 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:05,180 guys. We trust you, Governor. We trust Minnesota. But you don't run the border. 197 00:12:05,340 --> 00:12:08,740 You don't do the border. You're not these agents that are up here. And, and 198 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:12,580 I think you hit on something, Joel. These trade deals are not as impersonal as 199 00:12:12,580 --> 00:12:16,420 you think they are. A lot of this is about relationships on a broader scale, 200 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:20,020 you know, cultural relationship and the sense of Canada being so 201 00:12:20,020 --> 00:12:23,820 dependable and being there. Everything's a shakedown operation. Everything's, 202 00:12:23,820 --> 00:12:26,860 at NATO, everything's a shakedown operation. You know, you got to pay more. You got 203 00:12:26,860 --> 00:12:30,630 to do. Should the allies maybe have been putting more of their GDP 204 00:12:30,630 --> 00:12:34,310 towards defense? Sure. But there's ways to go about that rather than siding 205 00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:37,990 with Putin or, or making the 206 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:41,630 case that, you know, Ukraine should give up land to 207 00:12:41,710 --> 00:12:45,350 an aggression against them when we're all, all of our 208 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:48,910 allies are right in that same boat. So I got to tell you, 209 00:12:49,070 --> 00:12:52,630 in the midst of all this politics aside, and I get it, what people are 210 00:12:52,630 --> 00:12:56,320 saying, you know, the Democrats are doing this. The Democrats are focused on making life 211 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,880 more affordable. And Mike Johnson saying, you know, we're going to keep the government 212 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,600 shut down and not pay food stamps because you're asking us to help with 213 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,840 health care. Yes, because Medicaid is critically important 214 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,000 because the subsidies in the ACA have brought down health care 215 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,520 costs and asking Congress 216 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,760 to follow through with what they appropriated rather than letting this president 217 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,580 step over. I don't. Heidi, I would say this: I, people keep asking 218 00:13:22,580 --> 00:13:25,140 me, what are the Democrats going to do about this? You know, I think the 219 00:13:25,140 --> 00:13:28,940 real question here is what are true conservatives and members of the 220 00:13:28,940 --> 00:13:32,700 Senate going to do? You've got two senators and South Dakota's got two senators 221 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:36,260 that I have to, in my heart believe. They, they do not agree with 222 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:39,660 this. They do not agree with the direction, especially on this issue, around 223 00:13:39,660 --> 00:13:43,460 tariffs, trade, and farm opportunities. When are they going 224 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:47,260 to speak up? When are they going to say something? Well, they had a chance, 225 00:13:47,260 --> 00:13:50,400 Tim, to, to vote against the kind of emergency 226 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,280 designation and didn't vote against 227 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,960 it. Didn't vote with four other Republicans who Took a 228 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,280 stand on trade and then turned around and said, but 229 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,559 we really want to make amends and we need to do better 230 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,760 with our neighbors. In the meantime, North Dakota, I 231 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,480 think tourism, we think is about 232 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,960 our third largest industry. It's down 233 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,880 18%. We've been hit almost as hard as Florida 234 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,560 with Canadian tourism. Yeah, our states are really popular 235 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,320 with them. We're experiencing the same thing. And folks coming in to shop, spend 236 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,760 money and this stuff is going to be, this can be generational. 237 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,840 Joel, you said that I had the opportunity. I was up for a couple days 238 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,080 for the first time I'd ever been there, up in New Brunswick, crossed over from 239 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,930 Maine and went into a grocery store to buy some know, burgers and stuff. We're 240 00:14:41,930 --> 00:14:45,730 going to grill out Canadian flags everywhere, which 241 00:14:45,730 --> 00:14:49,570 is fine. They had one aisle where they had shifted all the 242 00:14:49,570 --> 00:14:53,410 American products to the last aisle in the grocery store and everything else in 243 00:14:53,410 --> 00:14:57,250 that grocery store was Canadian and was highlighted on that. And so if you wanted 244 00:14:57,250 --> 00:15:00,010 hines ketchup or whatever that was on the very last 245 00:15:00,570 --> 00:15:04,210 aisle. And, and there would nobody shop in that aisle. And, and this is just 246 00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:07,920 ridiculous. They're our closest trading partner. Then you can go south of the 247 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,480 border to Mexico, the same thing. And then say what you will about this, the 248 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,360 Chinese are a major market for us. You got a billion people there that would 249 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,520 like to buy well made American goods manufactured by our people. 250 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,680 Can't do it. And now you got a massive trade deficit. You got a massive 251 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,160 deficit in agriculture. You've lost trust in the 252 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,920 markets. And you tell me what the plan is because I'll tell you 253 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,640 what the plan is. Not that other countries will pay the tariffs and 254 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,410 America will get rich. That is, that is fairy dust talk. 255 00:15:36,410 --> 00:15:40,010 That is, that is no one in the world other than Donald Trump believe 256 00:15:40,010 --> 00:15:43,690 that's true. No one. Yeah. Governor, I want to hit 257 00:15:43,690 --> 00:15:47,490 upon this because you hunt. I hunt. You know, hunties in. Hunting is in. 258 00:15:47,650 --> 00:15:51,090 Heidi's husband hunts a lot. You see my pheasant shot? Here's something 259 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:55,090 I want to hit upon and get your take on, it's, well, I'm not going 260 00:15:55,090 --> 00:15:58,130 to say Heidi because I've seen her shoot, you know. You know, 261 00:15:58,690 --> 00:16:02,050 there's nothing safer than a pheasant in front of Heidi high camp. But 262 00:16:02,950 --> 00:16:06,470 that, that being said, you know, my point is 263 00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:09,830 pretty birds. Why would you want to kill them? Yeah. To eat them. So 264 00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:13,270 here's, here's the other part that I'm going to put out there. 265 00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:17,710 We as Democrats, you know, I think have 266 00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:21,190 terrible messaging when it comes to guns and gun 267 00:16:21,190 --> 00:16:24,950 safety. I think there's things we can do. We can talk about clip size, we 268 00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:28,550 can talk about, about binary triggers. We can talk about, you know, 269 00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:32,070 knowledge of who buys what, all of those things. You know, we can have many 270 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:35,870 day waiting period. I'm okay with all of that. But as Democrats, we 271 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:39,430 don't dig into really just the 272 00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:43,230 structure of guns and I think that hurts us in the rural area. Governor? 273 00:16:44,270 --> 00:16:47,470 Yeah, I think so. I think the one thing, Joel, I would say is that 274 00:16:47,470 --> 00:16:51,150 I've found that, you know, responsible gun owners are more than 275 00:16:51,150 --> 00:16:54,830 willing to make things necessary changes. And look, this is very personal 276 00:16:54,830 --> 00:16:58,270 over here. I had my best friend shot and killed our speaker of the House. 277 00:16:58,430 --> 00:17:01,550 I had two little fourth graders shot as they sat in the first day of 278 00:17:01,550 --> 00:17:05,330 school in their church. That there are responsible things 279 00:17:05,330 --> 00:17:08,490 we can do. And you're right, I mean locking these things up, who does not 280 00:17:08,490 --> 00:17:12,330 put a trigger lock or put their guns in a safe is beyond me. You're 281 00:17:12,330 --> 00:17:15,930 asking for. We had a little one shot here this week, same thing, 18 guns 282 00:17:15,930 --> 00:17:19,530 or something in the House unlocked. You know that's going to happen. But I do 283 00:17:19,530 --> 00:17:23,290 think you talk to people, talk with them with respect. But I think we also 284 00:17:23,290 --> 00:17:26,170 are afraid to talk about some of these common sense things. I will tell you 285 00:17:26,170 --> 00:17:29,970 one thing. In 2023 we passed the extreme risk protection, the red flag laws. 286 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:33,830 We got the first data on that. We saved lives. Like we're able to show 287 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:37,510 the number of times you go in, you step in. Most people if you're going 288 00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:39,910 to die by a gun, it's going to be by suicide. You're going to be 289 00:17:39,910 --> 00:17:43,430 in rural Minnesota. That's just factual. Because of the data that we see, 290 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:47,230 we're saving lives in that. I think most responsible gunners are saying, look, you can 291 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:50,710 protect my second amendment rights. You know something about firearms. 292 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:54,510 We know that there's ways to keep them safe and don't allow them to 293 00:17:54,510 --> 00:17:58,210 pigeonhole us into this thing. I'm not interested in taking your guns. I am 294 00:17:58,210 --> 00:18:02,010 interested of people who should not have them not getting them. I am interested 295 00:18:02,010 --> 00:18:05,850 in making sure you can't shoot 116 rounds in 62 seconds into 296 00:18:05,850 --> 00:18:09,570 little body setting in church. I will say that. But I think most 297 00:18:09,570 --> 00:18:12,650 people are like, yeah, I'm with you on that. So I agree, Joel. And, and, 298 00:18:12,650 --> 00:18:16,450 and not get sucked into the whole thing about this, this cancel culture and 299 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:19,810 the social issues or whatever of, of accusing Democrats or being there. 300 00:18:20,050 --> 00:18:23,490 That's the only place Republicans go right now because they don't want to Talk about 301 00:18:23,490 --> 00:18:26,960 the price of eggs. They don't want to talk about what's happening with soybeans. They 302 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,600 don't want to talk about what's happening with rural Medicaid and rural hospitals. They want 303 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,440 to talk about transgender swimmers or something. 304 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,080 And I think for us, we're not going to throw anybody under the bus. But 305 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,480 if there's a lesson here, focus on making life more affordable, 306 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,880 focusing on allowing people the freedom to live the lives they. We want to. If 307 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,640 that's in real western North Dakota, then help them live that lifestyle that 308 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,120 way. Give control locally. The thing I'll go to my grave not 309 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,880 understanding is, is the party that prided itself on states rights and local 310 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,660 control has totally thrown every bit of that out window. They want 311 00:18:59,660 --> 00:19:03,500 to step on us. The president threatened to cut all funding to New York City 312 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:07,060 because New Yorkers elect someone. Can you imagine? 313 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:11,460 Can you imagine us saying, if you don't vote for Kamala Harris, North 314 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:15,300 Dakota is not going to get any money? That is just outrageous that. That none 315 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:18,740 of this makes any sense. That's what this guy's doing. You know, Tim, 316 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:22,700 the, the one message point that I think we. We've missed 317 00:19:22,700 --> 00:19:26,490 out on is, you remember it was Bill Clinton. 318 00:19:26,490 --> 00:19:30,290 The era of Big Government is over. Guess what? The era of Big 319 00:19:30,290 --> 00:19:33,730 Government's back. Government's taking over corporate America, 320 00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:37,490 government's taking over universities, government's taking 321 00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:40,450 over media. I mean, 322 00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:45,290 what what, what isn't he trying to control right now from the White 323 00:19:45,290 --> 00:19:49,090 House? The U.S. Government owns stake in many companies now, like U.S. steel. 324 00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:52,930 You know what you call that when the government owns businesses? That's communism. 325 00:19:53,730 --> 00:19:57,200 It's. You know, and the idea of this. I'm out there arguing. And look, 326 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,880 Joel, you. I got hit from some of my supporters on the left because, look, 327 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,480 I'm a supporter of capitalism, moral capitalism and free 328 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,080 markets. The president is not. He is manipulating markets. He is 329 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,840 threatening individual businesses. He's buying individual businesses, 330 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,640 and he's putting his supporters in a place. If you build a 331 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,320 ballroom, is it just a coincidence that the people who funded that 332 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,170 also have $276 billion of, of contracts? Can 333 00:20:23,170 --> 00:20:26,650 you imagine me saying in Minnesota, hey, if you build me a bowling 334 00:20:26,650 --> 00:20:29,690 alley in my house, I'll give you the contract on this building? 335 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:34,050 My God. I mean, people should lose their minds, and you'd go to 336 00:20:34,050 --> 00:20:37,530 prison. That is happening in front of us. So here's what I want to say. 337 00:20:37,530 --> 00:20:41,210 Could Democrats do better at messaging? God, yes. We're terrible at it anytime. 338 00:20:41,530 --> 00:20:45,250 But our focus on improving life, of allowing everybody 339 00:20:45,250 --> 00:20:48,930 the opportunity to succeed, of making those Investments in things 340 00:20:48,930 --> 00:20:52,390 like lead to that is seems to me to be a hell of a lot 341 00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:56,110 better than if you're connected to the president. You'll do well into hell with 342 00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:59,750 the rest of you. We're going to hold a party while snap benefits 343 00:20:59,750 --> 00:21:03,470 expire. That I got to tell you old 344 00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:07,270 school conservatives, I need them to rise up that that's 345 00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:11,070 what I'm saying. The Democrats can do better, but there has got to be frustrated 346 00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:14,830 conservatives that are saying, look, we can do better. Yeah, I, I would 347 00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:18,670 add this right down to X's and O's is small. You 348 00:21:18,670 --> 00:21:22,370 know, it, it goes back to this. I will guarantee you that 349 00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:26,090 whoever was running that excavator that tore down the east wing of the White House 350 00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:29,370 did not go to the bar and brag about it afterwards. He didn't. 351 00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:32,930 But his boss said you got to do it because Donald Trump wants you to 352 00:21:32,930 --> 00:21:36,690 do it. And he lied about doing it. And you know what? America 353 00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:40,330 doesn't like it. You saw the poll numbers over the weekend, both of you. And 354 00:21:40,330 --> 00:21:43,930 Heidi, you and I were talking about them. And to some 355 00:21:43,930 --> 00:21:47,770 degree there's some hope out there that America is starting 356 00:21:47,770 --> 00:21:51,460 to say enough of this bullshit. Heidi. Yeah, well, you 357 00:21:51,460 --> 00:21:55,260 know when you look at it and you say where 358 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:58,740 is the line? And back to your point, Tim, 359 00:21:59,140 --> 00:22:02,780 where is the line with conservatives? And people say, 360 00:22:02,780 --> 00:22:06,340 oh well, Donald Trump. I said quit focusing on Donald Trump. He is who he 361 00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:10,060 is. We know who he is. But how come people are enabling 362 00:22:10,060 --> 00:22:13,660 it? How come people you and I know, people that you knew in the 363 00:22:13,660 --> 00:22:17,510 House, people I knew in the Senate who would never have tolerated 364 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:21,350 this, even from George W. Bush, they just sit and cower in 365 00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:24,950 the corner. Yes. People who are in this Administration that I considered friends 366 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:28,630 who, who talk more libertarian. Because there's nothing 367 00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:32,830 libertarian about this group right now. Like I Joel, this gun thing 368 00:22:32,830 --> 00:22:36,510 again, this is an argument that's made. Look, guys, like 369 00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:39,750 I've heard this. To me, guys like walls think guns are about hunting 370 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:43,090 and personal safety alone. It's about 371 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:47,130 tyranny of the federal government. Where are those dudes? Where are the 372 00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:50,770 don't tread on me guys when the federal government is overstepping state control? And 373 00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:54,410 I'll tell you both this. When the Biden and Heidi, you were there too. The 374 00:22:54,410 --> 00:22:57,650 Biden Administration stepped in and without 375 00:22:57,730 --> 00:23:00,890 consulting the states against law in the 376 00:23:00,890 --> 00:23:04,730 NDAA Council of Governors, which I was a co chair of for, 377 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:08,100 for many years, Donald Trump appointed me when the Biden 378 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:11,900 administration overstepped that and took the space force was going to take the Space Force 379 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:15,620 out of the National Guard. I organized a letter and 380 00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:19,260 all 50 Governors signed it and sent it to Joe Biden and say, 381 00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:22,900 you must consult with us. National Guard is under the control of the 382 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:26,580 Governors in Title 32. It's under your control in Title 10. You need to 383 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:30,180 consult with us and everything there. And the Biden administration backed 384 00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:33,820 off. Well, when Trump did this in California and in Chicago, 385 00:23:34,550 --> 00:23:38,270 it's the same argument. I sent the exact same letter and 386 00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:41,590 just changed the name basically from Joe Biden to Donald Trump. 387 00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:45,510 Not a single Republican would sign on to it. Not a single one. When it 388 00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:49,230 was a states rights issue, every Democrat stood onto it and stood up to Joe 389 00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:52,910 Biden in that. We love Joe Biden, thought his policies were good, but not all 390 00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:56,310 of them. And when they weren't good, we were there. This group is 391 00:23:56,470 --> 00:24:00,150 so fearful. They know, and behind closed doors, 392 00:24:00,150 --> 00:24:03,310 they will say, well, this isn't right. The Governors are in charge of the National 393 00:24:03,310 --> 00:24:06,970 Guard and they won't stand up. So somehow Democrats have to 394 00:24:06,970 --> 00:24:10,410 figure out our message. Joel, I think you're right. I think the 395 00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:14,090 symbolism, like, they got all riled up when they changed the, the 396 00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:17,930 Cracker Barrel logo. But apparently it's okay to tear down the East Wing. You 397 00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:21,610 know, I think that contradiction is coming home to 398 00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:25,410 roost. The other thing, and this goes directly to a Governor that 399 00:24:25,410 --> 00:24:28,730 wasn't good at her job down in South Dakota, but Kristi 400 00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:32,570 Noem, you know, America is getting it when you 401 00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:36,410 see individuals drugged by their hair out of vehicles that 402 00:24:36,410 --> 00:24:39,970 were smashed by individuals that are masked, in many cases 403 00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:43,890 without any identification on them. United States citizens held 404 00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:47,850 while Noem runs around saying that they weren't held. But 405 00:24:47,850 --> 00:24:51,690 here's the thing. They have been held. And these people are beaten. 406 00:24:51,690 --> 00:24:55,370 They're beaten in the streets. And Americans are running up with their cell phones, they're 407 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:59,090 taking videos of this. They're pointing out what's happening. And 408 00:24:59,090 --> 00:25:02,400 that is going viral. Yes. And I love it. 409 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,920 I love the fact that America is seeing how vicious these people 410 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,480 are. I love the fact that America is finding out 411 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,320 exactly what ICE is doing. And I'll tell you what, you 412 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,040 do that stuff in my hometown. I don't care whether you're a Democrat or Republican, 413 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,760 there's going to be a fight. That's that. That's that overreach, Joel. And look, 414 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,720 all of us said, heidi, you were there. We did need immigration reform. 415 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Shouldn't take seven years to have an adjudication hearing over 416 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,780 asylum. Make that 90 days. That's what Biden proposed. You know, 417 00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:36,100 put the agents there that you need it, make sure there's a pathway to citizenship, 418 00:25:36,260 --> 00:25:40,100 all of those things. But, but that's not what they're doing. I see advertisements, "$50,000 419 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:43,780 signing bonus, pay off your student loans, come join ICE." Do 420 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,939 that for our teachers! Do that for police officers in Minneapolis, do that 421 00:25:47,939 --> 00:25:51,420 for nurses. But now we've got a budget where Kristi Noem 422 00:25:51,420 --> 00:25:55,140 has a private jet where she can come visit a friend and then hold 423 00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:58,380 some weird press conference on the side to justify why she's in Minneapolis 424 00:25:58,380 --> 00:26:02,230 when we're not having any issues, that this is a grift at the 425 00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:05,870 highest level. And I think if you're a hardcore old 426 00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:09,670 school conservative, the critiques against Democrats of, you know, 427 00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:13,510 you're not paying attention to spending, you're overreaching into 428 00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:16,670 our personal lives, you are not allowing local control. We 429 00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:21,350 are now much closer to their political ideology than what 430 00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:25,030 this White House is. And so I think people just need to come true 431 00:26:25,030 --> 00:26:28,880 on this. And, you know, I don't know. I, I don't get 432 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,400 in people's grill about their religion. You, you don't need me as a 433 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,040 governor to give you a sermon, but I should live one. And I think 434 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,800 these folks are certainly not living a sermon and they didn't spend a lot of 435 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,440 time trying to give us one. But there's nothing I saw in Matthew 25 436 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,280 that told us, you know, well, I'm going to keep these fishes because it'll make 437 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,000 you lazy if I give these loaves and fishes to you. No, nothing up like 438 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,660 that. So, look, I think you're right. We need to figure out how to 439 00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:58,460 govern. I'm deeply concerned with long term implications of what it's doing 440 00:26:58,460 --> 00:27:02,260 to our society. But I'll have to tell you, I'm super encouraged. A lot of 441 00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:06,060 young people getting engaged. Again, not disengaged, 442 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:09,940 which I think would be understandable. And I think, you know, the 443 00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:13,540 No Kings rally, people are busy, but you could still put 444 00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:17,100 millions of people on the streets just asking for the president 445 00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:21,010 to follow the Constitution, to work with us on things 446 00:27:21,010 --> 00:27:24,770 that we need to get done. I've got two more questions. I'll let Heidi close 447 00:27:24,770 --> 00:27:28,490 this out. Governor, the first one you're gonna. You won't answer. 448 00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:30,850 In the second one you will. Are you ready? All right, 449 00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:35,009 the first one is, and I'm not doing my job if I don't ask you 450 00:27:35,009 --> 00:27:38,530 this. Are you going to or thinking about 451 00:27:38,530 --> 00:27:42,210 running for president? I am not. I am all committed to whoever we 452 00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:45,460 have out there to win that. I am committed to being Governor of 453 00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:49,220 Minnesota. And I'm going to do that to best of my ability. Okay. The 454 00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:52,542 second one. Did the Vikings find their quarterback with J.J. 455 00:27:52,658 --> 00:27:56,380 McCarthy? Yes. Yes, I am. I've been out there, Joel. It, JJ's 456 00:27:56,380 --> 00:28:00,180 it. I just, just want to tell you one more thing before I hand the 457 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:02,980 ball off to Heidi. She's a Packers fan. You take it from there, Governor. 458 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:08,220 Thanks, Joel. Just. Thanks. You know 459 00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:11,740 we did not have a good weekend as Packers fans. 460 00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:16,270 I tell you, son of a gun. Well, you 461 00:28:16,270 --> 00:28:19,790 know, Kraft from South Dakota. In fact, 462 00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:24,150 my cousin who's a family physician, went through residency 463 00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:27,390 with his cousin. I hope he goes. That's who 464 00:28:27,870 --> 00:28:31,510 Darwin fishes with up in Alaska. And so they're 465 00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:35,310 great family and that's tragedy and hopefully you'll be able to 466 00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:38,670 come back next year. But it sounds like he tore his ACL. That's what they 467 00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:42,220 said anyway. What I would say, Governor, is that 468 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:46,820 we need to keep talking and we need to keep talking common sense in 469 00:28:46,820 --> 00:28:50,620 rural America. We need to keep educating people in 470 00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:54,380 our party. You know, David Axelrod says it 471 00:28:54,380 --> 00:28:58,060 best when Democrats or when liberals approach rural 472 00:28:58,060 --> 00:29:01,740 America, they approach as missionaries and not neighbors and friends. 473 00:29:01,980 --> 00:29:05,700 That's perfect, isn't it? I mean, it's like, look what I've 474 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:09,450 done for you. And you're like, really? Really? That's the 475 00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:12,890 persuasion argument? I totally agree. This one's hard for me, Heidi. I think both of 476 00:29:12,890 --> 00:29:16,610 you, it is, too, because I consider myself of that. I watch everybody try 477 00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:20,010 and be from rural or try and be that everyday guy. 478 00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:23,929 I know in my heart who I am and I watched him spend a billion 479 00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:27,010 dollars, you know, to try and tell people that's not who I am or to 480 00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:30,610 tell them to vote for the billionaire, not the guy who brags about not 481 00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:34,090 buying stock. I not bragging about that. We just 482 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:38,390 middle America, we have a pension and that's a, you know, that's a good thing. 483 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:41,510 So I, I agree with you and I don't think we can give up on 484 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:44,670 this. And I don't think you can belittle your neighbors. I, I never think it's 485 00:29:44,670 --> 00:29:47,630 a good idea to tell somebody they're stupid and then you want them to vote 486 00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:51,190 for you. I think it is. I've had this happen to me. People lied to 487 00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:54,390 you and you're misled or you might have got this wrong or the situation 488 00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:58,110 changed. Give folks, you know, the way out. Because again, I 489 00:29:58,110 --> 00:30:01,830 keep telling people this. This is not some theoretical group of people. 490 00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:05,630 These are literally my relatives and my friends. These 491 00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:09,390 are the people that we know and grew up with. And I still 492 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:13,070 have great hope that they believe in this democracy. They believe in decency, they believe 493 00:30:13,070 --> 00:30:16,870 in kindness. They do expect you to work hard. They do expect you to be 494 00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:20,710 honest about things. That's what really gets me. This guy 495 00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:24,470 does none of those things. And, and his family does none of 496 00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:28,310 those things. And, and I think that's maybe the way we get folks back. Yeah, 497 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:31,800 well, and then he begs for awards. You know, 498 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,920 the cream rises to the top. You don't need to brag. Eventually 499 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,560 you're going to get recognition. He's out 500 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,160 bragging about all these countries who know that all they have to do is 501 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,000 nominate him for a Nobel and then he's going to give 502 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,800 him some great trade deal. You are so right. Funny enough, many months ago 503 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,630 I said this about Canada. I said look, this guy's easy to read. Canada 504 00:30:58,710 --> 00:31:02,390 should make up an award and say Donald Trump won the world's 505 00:31:02,390 --> 00:31:06,110 greatest trade war. Here's a trophy. And then just go back to the way it 506 00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:09,830 was. No no, a crown! Well, Japan did that, you guys, I mean Japan 507 00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:13,550 was smart. They did that. That's what Apple did. They just can't find anybody to 508 00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:16,070 dance as bad as he does. You know, that's the key. 509 00:31:16,550 --> 00:31:20,350 Well, look, you guys are doing the work. I'm glad you're out 510 00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:24,030 there. You're getting voices on hopefully that are there. I, I'm grateful to 511 00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:27,690 it. I think about how different it would be 512 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:31,530 because I said I see you two as kind of the, the archetype of 513 00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:35,050 what I see in rural America. Hardworking folks who care about their neighbors, 514 00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:39,250 raise a little hell when it's necessary and, and be pretty 515 00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:43,090 independent. But understand your neighbors might be down on their luck. That's who we 516 00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:46,730 were. I mean that's, that might be a little towards center 517 00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:50,810 on some people's radar, but I also think it's a pretty good spot where we 518 00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:54,430 end up helping folks. So I'm glad you're out here making the case. Well, 519 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:58,190 continue to pay attention. And Governor, thank 520 00:31:58,190 --> 00:32:01,630 you so much for joining us on the Hot Dish. You're a breath of fresh 521 00:32:01,630 --> 00:32:04,950 air, good luck on your re-election bid and you 522 00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:08,709 know, go Packers! Thank you, Governor. Thank 523 00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:12,790 you guys. Good to see you both. Fantastic. We'll talk 524 00:32:12,790 --> 00:32:12,990 soon. 525 00:32:19,790 --> 00:32:23,350 Well, Joel, I guess all the problems of rural America are 526 00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:26,750 solved since he met with, with the 527 00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:30,310 Premier, the President of China, Xi 528 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:33,950 Jinping. So are people happy now? People 529 00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:37,670 calling you people happy out there? You know, I, I think in 530 00:32:37,670 --> 00:32:41,150 farm country people are in that wait and see mode, you know, they just got 531 00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:44,950 done with harvest. There's still a little bit of corn out there for them 532 00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:48,550 to get after. But, you know, they're still in a wait and see 533 00:32:48,550 --> 00:32:52,290 mode part because, you know, while some 534 00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:55,850 of them are not ranchers, the ranchers are their friends 535 00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:59,530 and some of them are ranchers and they're ticked off. And so 536 00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:03,410 while they might see some improvement in soybeans, they know 537 00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:07,250 it's less than what they would have sold and they know 538 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:10,890 that cattle prices are down because of what he 539 00:33:10,890 --> 00:33:14,490 said, Heidi. And so I don't think they're doing the Kumbaya yet here. 540 00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:18,490 So I think a lot of people are thinking, well, I guess now you know, 541 00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:22,310 that they're everybody's happy or they' declared 542 00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:26,150 victory against China, that we don't need any kind of 543 00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:29,910 trade support for agriculture and for rural 544 00:33:29,910 --> 00:33:33,590 America. Well, that's the big question, isn't it? If they're 545 00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:37,350 going to celebrate, then the big question comes along 546 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:41,150 saying, do they need some level of emergency payment? And if you 547 00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:44,950 look at the price for soybeans, it's not good. 548 00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:48,990 It's not good. The costs have gone up because of these tariffs. Fertilizer has 549 00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:52,750 gone up, equipment has gone up. I know guys that ordered equipment that had to 550 00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:56,410 back off on buying that equipment. And so if soybeans 551 00:33:56,410 --> 00:33:59,970 are at or lower than what the prices were last year, 552 00:34:00,050 --> 00:34:03,730 it's not good. Hyde, you know that you grew up here. Well, 553 00:34:03,730 --> 00:34:07,530 and it's interesting because you can say, well, because the inputs have gone 554 00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:11,370 up because of tariffs, then farmers are entitled. But, you know, 555 00:34:11,370 --> 00:34:14,930 bank of America came out with a study today, Joel, that basically 556 00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:18,650 says 50 to 70% of the cost of tariffs are 557 00:34:18,650 --> 00:34:21,450 being borne by consumers. No surprise there. 558 00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:26,690 I thought if I were going to run, I would run on, I'll reduce the 559 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:30,010 cost of a cup of your coffee because it'd be pretty easy to do. All 560 00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:33,650 you'd have to do is quit tariffing coffee. But people 561 00:34:33,650 --> 00:34:37,370 know that their grocery prices have gone up. They know that their cost of living 562 00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:40,970 has gone up. And they're getting hit with outrageous, 563 00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:44,810 especially if they're small business people, if they're small farmers, or if 564 00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:48,040 they're farmers that rely on the exchange. They, they're getting hit with 565 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,800 huge healthcare premium increases. You know, and 566 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,640 that big slap in the face is here. They're already seeing that. I talked 567 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,960 to one individual who spoke to his accountant. The accountant said, 568 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,080 get ready, you got a lot of bad news coming. And a lot of, 569 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,840 even the smaller farmers have employees. You know, they have farm 570 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,760 help. And those farm helpers, they have to provide 571 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,900 insurance, too. If they don't, they're off building bobcats 572 00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:18,700 where I live. You know, they're in desperate need of workers as well. And 573 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,540 so if they don't get health insurance, they're gone. And so they 574 00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:26,380 don't have any choice but to pay for these increases. What they're 575 00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:29,620 quietly doing is they're quietly sitting there 576 00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:33,740 hoping that the Democrats win while they go to the VFW club and 577 00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:37,380 don't admit that they're actually cheering for 578 00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:41,110 Democrats. And so I don't know, Heid, this stuff is 579 00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:44,870 serious here in farm country. Well, it's serious all 580 00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:48,270 across the country. Prices are up, the 581 00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:52,630 working folks are hurting. And Trump keeps saying it's the best 582 00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:56,310 economy since the history in the history of the world, which 583 00:35:56,310 --> 00:36:00,030 is what I think he said to CBS over the weekend. 584 00:36:00,750 --> 00:36:04,550 BS is probably the operative initials in all of 585 00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:08,000 that. But, you know, so, so when you look at 586 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,600 kind of where, where these farmers are right now or where 587 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,400 middle America, you know, where working people are, they aren't seeing things 588 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,960 any better. And guess what? They're saying that 589 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,680 when, when people poll them. But when they say, well, what 590 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,400 about the Democrats, they are not happy with Democrats either. 591 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,200 Yeah. You know, everybody's saying that. And I get it. You know, it. Polls are 592 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,880 polls, and if we're going to believe the ones that we like, then we got 593 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,630 to believe the ones we don't like. And so, yeah, Democrats nationally 594 00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:40,270 aren't that popular. But that isn't the case of how you poll. 595 00:36:40,510 --> 00:36:43,870 In my opinion, you poll the individual races. 596 00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:48,670 And so you can use a brand because everybody's got that other idea of 597 00:36:48,670 --> 00:36:52,230 the brand. But I remember when you ran for the United States 598 00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:55,990 Senate and won, Democrats weren't all that popular then, and 599 00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:59,790 yet you were. And so let's just take a step back, 600 00:36:59,950 --> 00:37:03,070 look at some of those races. I mean, we've got some evidence of that 601 00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:06,770 from yesterday. But the truth of the matter is this, 602 00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:11,850 the individual Democrat that makes their case that goes 603 00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:15,330 about and says, look, I'm a Democrat, but here's what I believe. 604 00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:19,449 If they're talking to their audience, their audience is connecting with them right 605 00:37:19,449 --> 00:37:23,010 now. And that's what got, that's what got these guys a little bit nervous. 606 00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:26,850 Yeah. Well, Jaime Harrison, I think recently said 607 00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:30,660 something that really resonated with me. He said, you know, we want to win 608 00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:34,300 their votes, but it's more important to win their trust. And so the 609 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,860 question is, are we winning the trust of the voters? Do the voters trust 610 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:41,820 the Democratic Party to advance their interest. And you 611 00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:45,419 know, hardcore people always say, oh, you aren't going to change some people's minds. I 612 00:37:45,419 --> 00:37:49,020 get that about a third of the people, they're going to be with this 613 00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:52,820 president, they're going to be with the Republican Party no matter what. But I think 614 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:56,140 that the other, you know, half of those voters are 615 00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:59,750 gettable with the right kinds of policies and 616 00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:03,590 message. And I'm not sure that we're there yet as Democrats. Okay. I'm going to 617 00:38:03,590 --> 00:38:07,350 add one other thing. Right. While I disagree with what John 618 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:11,150 Thune is doing and I think he's forgetting where he's 619 00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:14,870 from, these farmers do know where he's from and 620 00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:18,430 they do know where Chuck Schumer is from. And they 621 00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:22,230 like the fact that a rural individual is a leader 622 00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:25,920 and in one of the most powerful positions out there. So that 623 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,720 matters too. And when you look at the leadership issues, when it comes to 624 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:33,200 all of this, they don't see a lot of rural leaders, Heidi. 625 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,040 No, not a lot of rural leaders that have a D behind their name. 626 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,120 Right. That was my point. Right. But the other thing is 627 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,640 they also are seeing that these so called rural leaders 628 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,960 are pledging fealty to Donald Trump and not to 629 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,650 rural America. And so when does that set in? Well, and 630 00:38:52,650 --> 00:38:56,410 John Thune should know that all these people's health insurance premiums is 631 00:38:56,410 --> 00:39:00,090 about to go through the rough. And lost in all of that is, I hope 632 00:39:00,090 --> 00:39:03,690 you don't do this because you're my sister and I want you to be with 633 00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:07,369 me playing pinochle again soon. Don't hold your 634 00:39:07,369 --> 00:39:11,210 breath until Donald Trump rolls out his plan because they 635 00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:15,010 still don't have a plan when it comes to health care. They still don't 636 00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:18,450 have a concept. Joel, come on. They're working on a 637 00:39:18,450 --> 00:39:21,710 concept. Well, trust me, I said that when I was 638 00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:25,430 refereeing college football. We just have a concept of the rules. We 639 00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:29,070 just have a concept. We don't, an interpretation. We don't really 640 00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:32,590 know all the rules. And yeah, I know how that sells. 641 00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:36,190 You know, it's, it's selling now, but when those premiums hit, 642 00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:40,190 which they're hitting, the Democrats are on the right side of 643 00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:43,830 this issue. Well, they are. But, but the question is 644 00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:47,070 if this, if this gets fixed for a couple years, 645 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,360 do they say, see, it got fixed, everything's fine, I can go 646 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,040 back to vote the voting pattern that I was voting and you 647 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,680 know, just expect that I'm going to get, you know, 648 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,480 that, that my hurt is going to be heard. Yeah, well, if they don't gain 649 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,800 any political, you know, if they don't get any political 650 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,960 benefit out of the fight they just picked, that's on the Democrats, that's 651 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,520 on their messaging. That's on them to go out and make the case 652 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,080 of what they did. You spoke at a recent function in 653 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,860 a rural state and that room packed, in fact, it was standing room 654 00:40:20,860 --> 00:40:24,100 only and it wasn't a small room. And so there are 655 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:27,820 individuals out there who have had it and they've had it to the 656 00:40:27,820 --> 00:40:31,620 brim. And so maybe, I mean, and I stress the word 657 00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:35,379 maybe, maybe there's some folks out there that are willing to get off 658 00:40:35,379 --> 00:40:38,980 the couch and work and make the case Heid. Well, my message was 659 00:40:38,980 --> 00:40:42,660 simple, though. You can't just be against Trump. I mean, 660 00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:45,620 you got to convince people in North Dakota who voted for Trump that 661 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,080 they should try something different. And they don't like being told that they 662 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,760 were duped. I know that. You know, a good 663 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,440 friend of mine says, well, you should use the word you were betrayed. I 664 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,280 don't think that sells. I think what you gotta say is, look, we 665 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,040 understand why you voted the way you did, but it 666 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,880 hasn't worked out the way you had hoped. So don't keep doing the 667 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,680 same thing over and over again. Try something different. And this is a different 668 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,610 set of ideas and a different set of leaders. And, you know, 669 00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:21,370 it can't be about identity politics because even the people that 670 00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:25,090 they think they're appealing to in identity politics are 671 00:41:25,090 --> 00:41:28,290 sick of it. They want to know how their family 672 00:41:28,610 --> 00:41:32,250 and how their lives are going to be better under 673 00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:36,090 a different model of leadership. And that's up to the Democratic Party to 674 00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:39,570 talk about. Yeah. Well, I'm going to add one more thing about messaging when it 675 00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:43,010 comes to the Democratic Party. And that's why the hot dish is so important. 676 00:41:43,890 --> 00:41:47,700 Because of this. I do a talk show. That's what 677 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:51,460 I do now and I have done for a long time. It's heard in Manitoba, 678 00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:55,140 it's heard in Saskatchewan. Huge listening base. Montana, North 679 00:41:55,140 --> 00:41:58,780 Dakota, Minnesota, South Dakota and parts of Iowa. Yeah, I'm 680 00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:02,299 bragging, but we're number one. Here's the thing, we have a much 681 00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:06,140 easier time getting that higher level Republican on 682 00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:09,660 than we do a Democrat on. And that's just the truth. 683 00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:13,420 Democrats don't get the way that you utilize the 684 00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:17,260 tools that you utilize to speak to rural America. Those guys out there 685 00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:21,080 getting after the soybeans are listening to either the hot dish 686 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,880 or they're listening to talk radio, or it's coming to 687 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,720 them through their dash. It's not coming to Them through their 688 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,560 tv. And while they might like TV and 689 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,360 they might like putting on that suit and tie, if they don't get what 690 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,000 farmers, ranchers and rural people are listening to, that's on the 691 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,840 Democrats, Heidi. Well, I agree. I mean, one of the 692 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,620 things that I told the Biden administration when they came in, 693 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:51,540 you know, the new Ag Secretary, the new old Ag 694 00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:55,060 Secretary, I guess they should say, is if I were, if I were the 695 00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:58,660 Ag Secretary, I'd get up every morning and I'd make five phone 696 00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:02,300 calls to rural radio. You know that when 697 00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:05,180 people get up in the morning and they put on the coffee pot, they put 698 00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:08,940 on their radio station and listen to the weather. That's or, you 699 00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:11,940 know, you think, right, the markets, the weather, 700 00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:16,500 you know, and I know, Joel, that there are tons 701 00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:20,260 of people out there that rely on radio, but yet none of that 702 00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:23,820 happened. It was too busy, too busy kind of putting your 703 00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:27,660 finger on the scale for identity groups and not enough 704 00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:31,380 time actually saying what's the plan to make your life a little 705 00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:35,020 easier in agriculture? Well, and not to blow 706 00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:38,660 smoke up you. Anybody who's a frequent listener of the Hot Dish knows that I'm 707 00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:42,300 not a suck up. But the truth is this, that's what One Country 708 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:46,020 does. One Country makes sure that people on 709 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:49,260 the east and west coast, this whole flyover country, 710 00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:53,260 know about what's going on in the rural area. And 711 00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:56,780 so we'll keep plugging away. I'll, I'll keep giving it time, 712 00:43:57,020 --> 00:44:00,740 but I'm going back to the messaging. If Democrats can't 713 00:44:00,740 --> 00:44:04,300 explain to the nation, to people in the rural 714 00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:08,100 areas exactly, exactly who stuck up for them 715 00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:11,850 with insurance, then they deserve to lose. Yeah. Well, 716 00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:15,610 you know, I'm really curious to see if we've made any strides 717 00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:18,330 in rural Virginia, in rural 718 00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:23,370 New Jersey, take a look at the Pennsylvania Supreme Court 719 00:44:23,370 --> 00:44:26,890 vote, what was the rural vote there, and see if there is some 720 00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:30,250 erosion. We aren't going to know that until we dig a little deeper in these 721 00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,050 election results. But you know, 722 00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:36,890 you can't overstate the importance of these 723 00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:40,600 elections. But they can be, they can be 724 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,360 informative in terms of people's mood. Well, and you see me 725 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,120 do it. If I was in a national room where I got a chance to 726 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,960 talk to high level, high profile Democrats like I do 727 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,600 Republicans, the first thing I do is ask them questions about guns 728 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,800 because Democrats don't understand the people that are 729 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,480 speaking to it, don't understand how they operate, how they work, what 730 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,080 they are, how they look, how they load all of those things because 731 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,620 there are things that can be done about guns, guns, 732 00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:14,140 about making sure that we have good common sense gun laws. 733 00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:17,500 But they don't want to hear it. You know, they don't want to hear it. 734 00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:21,340 And, and until Democrats understand that for Democrats here 735 00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:25,500 in red states, it's going to be harder and harder to get a 736 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:29,140 message across. Well, you know, but the other message is you 737 00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:32,980 keep saying Democrats are going to take away your guns. Guess what? There's been 738 00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:36,750 Democrats in power. Did they take away your guns? They didn't take away your 739 00:45:36,750 --> 00:45:40,230 guns. They have no intention of taking away your guns. I agree. 740 00:45:41,110 --> 00:45:44,750 I know that. But my point in this is 741 00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:47,150 not whether or not they're going to take away their guns or they're going to 742 00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:50,710 pass an amendment, they're going to pass a law. All of this, there are 743 00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:54,390 things they can pass that can make guns safer 744 00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:58,790 and that gun owners will agree with. And I don't mean to take all this 745 00:45:58,790 --> 00:46:02,430 time up to talk about guns as much as what I'm saying, that that's a 746 00:46:02,430 --> 00:46:06,110 huge separation, rural to urban, is my point. Yeah, 747 00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:09,870 well, I mean, I will tell you, probably the best 748 00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:12,750 hunter in the United States Senate's a Democrat, 749 00:46:13,630 --> 00:46:17,350 knows guns better than anyone. Martin Heinrich. You know, they should 750 00:46:17,350 --> 00:46:20,950 follow his lead. He understands. Or when Joe Manchin was there. 751 00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:24,510 Joe Manchin is great shot. I don't know if you ever saw him, you know, 752 00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:28,790 but he's, he, he knew how to hunt. And, and so 753 00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:32,390 you can't just draw with broad brush strokes. There are people within the 754 00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:36,100 Democratic Party who understand, you know, what a gun does 755 00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:39,780 and what it, what it could be, you know, what would 756 00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:43,460 make sense in terms of gun legislation. Well, sure, 757 00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:47,300 I can, I can absolutely paint with a broad stroke because the 758 00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:51,020 messaging at the highest level is wrong. You 759 00:46:51,020 --> 00:46:54,820 know, it's wrong. And we can talk about New Mexico, we can 760 00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:58,460 talk about West Virginia, we can talk about all of that. The minute that 761 00:46:58,460 --> 00:47:02,060 they use common sense to inject common sense into the 762 00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:05,870 argument, they lose the room. And so, yes, 763 00:47:06,590 --> 00:47:10,350 yes, those guys could shoot. You and I both know a 764 00:47:10,350 --> 00:47:13,390 lot of guys can shoot. And you're, you're listening to one right now. 765 00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:17,550 The point I'm trying to make is, as Democrats, 766 00:47:17,550 --> 00:47:21,230 we need to use our messaging the right way in the 767 00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:24,430 rural areas or at least put the right people in front of them talking. 768 00:47:24,910 --> 00:47:28,750 And they're not doing that. That's my point. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, 769 00:47:29,790 --> 00:47:33,040 we've got another year before the Midterms. 770 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,960 I think that the conventional wisdom would tell you that the 771 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,320 party in power, which is The Republican Party 772 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,440 is going to lose seats in the House 773 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,840 of Representatives. At some point, this 774 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,400 speaker is going to have to seat the new congresswoman from 775 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,160 Arizona. And that's going to open up a whole can of worms 776 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,160 on, on the Jeffrey Epstein 777 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,480 file, as long as all the ones who have signed the 778 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,800 discharge petition as Republicans 779 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,960 still keep their signature on the discharge position. I had a 780 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,720 great conversation with David Graham from the Atlantic. He writes for it and he 781 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:18,400 talked about Project 2025. He's got a book out on it. 782 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,440 You know, the Project. The point is this. As he 783 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,980 spoke to it, he was looking at ways that the Trump 784 00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:29,500 Administration who know that if you're just at the 785 00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:33,260 ballot box, that you're going to basically try 786 00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:37,100 to eliminate the chance for Democrats to win during the 787 00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:40,740 Midterm. You know, it begins with making sure that you can argue 788 00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:44,580 that, oh, man, these elections are all rigged and fake news is helping 789 00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:48,420 rig it. You and I both know who Marge Goetke is. You and I 790 00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:52,200 both know who Jaretta Lingan is. They volunteered their time 791 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,920 and made about 20 bucks the whole day to sit in those polling 792 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,280 places and be election judges. They can't be 793 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,520 more honest than those people I just described are. And so, 794 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,520 you know, that argument has to be made. But Graham 795 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,080 made a great point in the Atlantic, and it shows exactly what you 796 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,640 said. Trump knows he's in trouble, but he's already thinking of a 797 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,830 way to get around it. Well, I mean, 798 00:49:18,310 --> 00:49:21,670 after what happened last night in California, 799 00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:25,310 level the playing field, but it's kind of a race to the bottom on 800 00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:28,830 gerrymandering now. Yeah. Well, you know, what if 801 00:49:28,830 --> 00:49:31,030 somebody punches you in the nose? What are you going to do? You going to 802 00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:34,350 sit there and cry or punch back? Yeah. Well, we know what Gavin 803 00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:37,830 Newsom's going to do. My hero right now. My hero right now, 804 00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:41,510 Heid. It's always good to talk to you, man. Yeah. Hang in there, Joel. 805 00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:45,970 You know, more to come, and there'll be a whole year of 806 00:49:46,290 --> 00:49:49,170 analyzing what the Democrats should be saying, because 807 00:49:50,690 --> 00:49:54,410 I think Jaime Harrison has it 808 00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:57,650 right. Not enough to win the vote. You got to win the trust. I agree. 809 00:49:57,810 --> 00:50:01,650 And you know, all of this stuff just makes it brutal. Absolutely terrible 810 00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:05,170 to do talk radio. Yeah, I bet. No, 811 00:50:05,170 --> 00:50:08,890 controversy is not good for talk radio, is it? Never really works. 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