WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:05.081 --> 00:00:07.141 Matt: Killer Diller. 00:00:07.571 --> 00:00:09.221 Everybody loves filler. 00:00:10.421 --> 00:00:11.381 Hello, Alison. 00:00:11.750 --> 00:00:12.860 Alison: Hi, Matthew. 00:00:12.990 --> 00:00:14.310 Matt: How are you this week? 00:00:14.790 --> 00:00:15.900 Alison: Oh, I'm just ducky. 00:00:15.930 --> 00:00:18.450 I've missed you in the past couple of weeks. 00:00:19.110 --> 00:00:19.350 We've 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:19.920 Matt: yeah. 00:00:20.460 --> 00:00:21.600 Alison: All over the place. 00:00:21.720 --> 00:00:23.220 Matt: Yeah, sick. 00:00:24.690 --> 00:00:25.590 And elsewhere. 00:00:25.954 --> 00:00:26.404 Alison: Sick. 00:00:26.404 --> 00:00:27.664 And then Wisconsin. 00:00:28.084 --> 00:00:29.464 Matt: Sick and then Wisconsin. 00:00:29.524 --> 00:00:29.944 Yeah. 00:00:30.124 --> 00:00:30.334 Alison: Yeah. 00:00:31.624 --> 00:00:35.157 Matt: I have to say, after much thought, I still cannot recommend COVID. 00:00:35.187 --> 00:00:36.057 I just can't do it. 00:00:36.657 --> 00:00:39.757 I don't think it's ready for, I don't think it's ready for adult use. 00:00:40.077 --> 00:00:40.607 Alison: This jelly?. 00:00:41.087 --> 00:00:42.237 Matt: It's not ready for this jelly. 00:00:42.418 --> 00:00:43.438 Alison: Well, I'm glad you're back. 00:00:43.498 --> 00:00:45.308 And can continue on mic. 00:00:45.448 --> 00:00:45.778 Matt: Me too. 00:00:46.018 --> 00:00:46.498 Let me too. 00:00:46.498 --> 00:00:46.812 Yeah. 00:00:46.842 --> 00:00:49.452 So welcome to ADHd20. 00:00:49.842 --> 00:00:51.432 Where are we talk about ADHD? 00:00:51.822 --> 00:00:55.916 And D&D, Dungeons and Dragons two great tastes that we think. 00:00:56.405 --> 00:00:57.365 Alison: Tastes great together. 00:00:58.919 --> 00:00:59.579 Matt: Um, 00:01:00.489 --> 00:01:01.599 Alison: we going to talk about today? 00:01:02.182 --> 00:01:03.832 Matt: We have a few things that we want to talk about. 00:01:03.912 --> 00:01:06.802 Alison, I think we should roll to see who talks next. 00:01:07.072 --> 00:01:08.752 Alison: I was going to say the same thing. 00:01:08.902 --> 00:01:12.862 Cause we each have these kind of bigger topics that we brought to the table today. 00:01:12.862 --> 00:01:15.682 And why don't we do a little roll off for it. 00:01:16.012 --> 00:01:16.882 Let's do it. 00:01:16.882 --> 00:01:17.472 Here we go! 00:01:17.502 --> 00:01:19.696 Matt: And a one and a two 00:01:19.819 --> 00:01:20.209 oh, 00:01:20.616 --> 00:01:21.126 Alison: How'd you do? 00:01:21.946 --> 00:01:22.576 Matt: Six. 00:01:23.626 --> 00:01:25.026 Alison: I won with an 11. 00:01:25.866 --> 00:01:26.676 Matt: Nice. 00:01:28.386 --> 00:01:28.836 Nice. 00:01:28.986 --> 00:01:29.316 Okay. 00:01:29.396 --> 00:01:29.906 Alison: All right. 00:01:29.946 --> 00:01:34.466 So I guess we're off to the races on celebrating a feat of mine. 00:01:34.566 --> 00:01:41.046 And that is just a few days ago, I DM'd a full session for the first time. 00:01:41.046 --> 00:01:46.266 So I have done some practice sessions with Matt and Evan and our friend Fitz.. 00:01:46.636 --> 00:01:51.226 Had to kind of like worm my way, wiggle my way into the world of of DM-ing. 00:01:51.506 --> 00:01:55.166 But a couple of months ago, some friends approached me because I've been talking 00:01:55.166 --> 00:01:57.116 about Dungeons and Dragons so much. 00:01:57.466 --> 00:01:58.726 And we're like, All right. 00:01:58.726 --> 00:01:59.956 we're going to, we're going to listen to you. 00:01:59.956 --> 00:02:02.086 we wanna play Dungeons and Dragons. 00:02:02.429 --> 00:02:03.719 Will you DM for us? 00:02:04.794 --> 00:02:05.634 Matt: Quick side note. 00:02:05.934 --> 00:02:06.654 But two things. 00:02:06.654 --> 00:02:09.714 Number one, you're you have a natural knack for it. 00:02:10.344 --> 00:02:14.274 And that was apparent even in your very first moments, putting something 00:02:14.274 --> 00:02:19.664 together, you have that, like that ease of speaking, that, it's good for business. 00:02:19.664 --> 00:02:20.894 It's good for podcasting. 00:02:20.894 --> 00:02:22.034 It's good for other things. 00:02:22.034 --> 00:02:24.238 So, I am not surprised that Friday went well. 00:02:24.448 --> 00:02:28.168 Secondly, darn it. 00:02:28.588 --> 00:02:29.788 There it is perfect. 00:02:30.658 --> 00:02:30.948 Let's see. 00:02:30.948 --> 00:02:31.218 Hold on. 00:02:31.908 --> 00:02:32.698 Yeah, I can bring it back. 00:02:32.698 --> 00:02:33.418 I can bring it back. 00:02:33.988 --> 00:02:35.998 Secondly, what was the other thing that you said. 00:02:37.258 --> 00:02:39.598 Alison: That some friends approached me because I had been talking about. 00:02:39.688 --> 00:02:40.138 Matt: Yes. 00:02:40.168 --> 00:02:40.528 Thank you. 00:02:40.708 --> 00:02:41.038 Alison: Okay, 00:02:42.478 --> 00:02:43.738 Matt: Short term memory. 00:02:44.218 --> 00:02:45.618 Alison: Hold on to that, Mattie. 00:02:45.688 --> 00:02:47.278 Matt: That's a part of ADHD folks. 00:02:47.578 --> 00:02:48.118 That is. 00:02:48.658 --> 00:02:51.048 Short-term memory is not known. 00:02:51.168 --> 00:02:52.878 Anyway, before I forget again. 00:02:53.118 --> 00:02:56.878 What I was going to say is, last podcast you mentioned that 00:02:56.878 --> 00:02:58.318 you have been evangelizing. 00:02:58.544 --> 00:02:59.114 This game. 00:02:59.534 --> 00:03:00.674 Up and down the world. 00:03:00.674 --> 00:03:04.364 So I'm really, really psyched and delighted to hear that it 00:03:04.364 --> 00:03:08.444 was not in vain and that you pulled some people into a game. 00:03:08.728 --> 00:03:10.228 Alison: I pulled some people right on in. 00:03:10.828 --> 00:03:15.118 Shout out to my first, official crew and with the exception of Fitz who 00:03:15.118 --> 00:03:18.298 joined that game, all new people for me to play with, which is a 00:03:18.298 --> 00:03:20.098 different experience altogether. 00:03:20.578 --> 00:03:24.148 When I've only played with this little bubble this whole time, 00:03:24.178 --> 00:03:25.798 these past two years and change. 00:03:25.868 --> 00:03:30.368 So Megan and Amy and Charity and Brooks and Fitz. 00:03:30.368 --> 00:03:33.578 Thank you for being my first babies. 00:03:34.298 --> 00:03:35.588 And what an adventure it was. 00:03:35.618 --> 00:03:39.138 So, yeah, Megan and Amy are the two that approached me and said, you've 00:03:39.138 --> 00:03:40.578 been talking, we've been listening. 00:03:40.758 --> 00:03:42.618 We want to play Dungeons and Dragons. 00:03:42.888 --> 00:03:44.178 Will you DM for us? 00:03:44.178 --> 00:03:46.728 And I was with them, man, in the that first part of that sentence until 00:03:46.728 --> 00:03:48.418 they got to the, will you be our DM? 00:03:48.528 --> 00:03:49.758 Then it was like, I'm not... 00:03:50.478 --> 00:03:51.528 qualified. 00:03:52.758 --> 00:03:53.238 Ready. 00:03:53.598 --> 00:03:57.108 And I got to give it up to the DMS of the world, especially the ones sitting 00:03:57.138 --> 00:03:58.618 on camera right in front of me right now. 00:03:58.968 --> 00:03:59.068 Mr. 00:03:59.068 --> 00:03:59.878 Matt Bivins. 00:04:00.288 --> 00:04:03.918 DM-ing is a lot of fricking work, a lot, so much. 00:04:04.518 --> 00:04:05.874 And, um, yeah, 00:04:05.874 --> 00:04:08.514 it was, I was hesitant, A) because I didn't know what I was doing. 00:04:08.514 --> 00:04:10.074 And two, because I know how much work it is. 00:04:10.614 --> 00:04:13.254 The name of the game is "Yes, and" so I, yes, and-ed that. 00:04:13.284 --> 00:04:17.594 I pulled in a Charity as a friend that had just, replied to a couple of my 00:04:17.594 --> 00:04:21.404 Instagram stories along the way that she was interested in playing D&D someday. 00:04:21.804 --> 00:04:26.244 Brooks is a friend that I've known since third grade and, he is a D&D player. 00:04:26.304 --> 00:04:30.364 And so he and I, have volleyed on social media as well that we, Hey, 00:04:30.364 --> 00:04:31.474 we should play together sometime. 00:04:31.744 --> 00:04:32.884 So I pulled him in. 00:04:33.164 --> 00:04:38.234 and then I knew, so when I was learning how to become a D&D player, what helped 00:04:38.234 --> 00:04:40.864 me was being with really good D&D players. 00:04:41.464 --> 00:04:43.644 And so that was Evan and Fitz. 00:04:43.954 --> 00:04:44.614 And so I. 00:04:45.294 --> 00:04:48.204 pull in Fitz because I was like, I need, if we have newbies, I need a 00:04:48.204 --> 00:04:50.424 player that can show them how it's done. 00:04:51.344 --> 00:04:53.894 I think it went extremely well. 00:04:54.584 --> 00:04:58.014 I had fun, at least, I guess you'll have to ask the others, but they were 00:04:58.014 --> 00:05:00.234 certainly nice and complimentary. 00:05:00.284 --> 00:05:01.604 But yeah, it was very interesting. 00:05:01.604 --> 00:05:04.300 You know, even though I was excited about it and even though we'd had the date 00:05:04.300 --> 00:05:08.590 on the calendar for months, naturally I waited until the very last minute. 00:05:11.230 --> 00:05:12.370 Matt: Oh, yeah. 00:05:12.450 --> 00:05:15.600 Alison: I had selected the module that we were going to 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.030 use, and then I got some lessons. 00:05:18.030 --> 00:05:20.825 I got one of my friends from my Thursday game to like, teach 00:05:20.825 --> 00:05:23.615 me how to use Roll20 as a DM. 00:05:24.295 --> 00:05:27.475 Also months ago, and then I just didn't put all the pieces together. 00:05:28.075 --> 00:05:31.635 I'm sorry to anybody listening to this until, the days before 00:05:32.205 --> 00:05:34.775 the adventure was to begin. 00:05:35.565 --> 00:05:37.035 Which feels pretty on brand. 00:05:37.095 --> 00:05:38.565 Matt: It's super on-brand. 00:05:38.595 --> 00:05:40.935 It's super incredibly on brand. 00:05:40.995 --> 00:05:41.235 And. 00:05:41.818 --> 00:05:43.318 Yeah, I, um, 00:05:43.978 --> 00:05:44.638 Alison: Say it Matt. 00:05:44.908 --> 00:05:48.988 Matt: No, I, it is, Here's the best thing about working with my coach. 00:05:49.288 --> 00:05:54.233 That there is absolute validation you cannot fight that you can't 00:05:54.233 --> 00:05:55.343 fight that with our brains. 00:05:55.373 --> 00:05:58.363 You can't, it doesn't matter how much passion you have. 00:05:58.518 --> 00:06:00.408 Which I, I have all the passion for this. 00:06:00.528 --> 00:06:05.038 I think the only way that I would be more prepared for You know, every 00:06:05.038 --> 00:06:07.391 week's game, is if I did this full time. 00:06:07.781 --> 00:06:08.231 Right. 00:06:08.315 --> 00:06:11.375 and even then I might be preparing for other people's games. 00:06:11.375 --> 00:06:11.975 I don't know. 00:06:12.245 --> 00:06:14.275 But You know, you get points for showing up. 00:06:14.305 --> 00:06:15.685 You get points for sitting down. 00:06:15.965 --> 00:06:18.635 The best thing we can do is try to minimize the stress. 00:06:18.665 --> 00:06:25.241 So my question was, you mentioned Roll20 and, what you had to use 00:06:25.241 --> 00:06:28.001 because you weren't playing live right? 00:06:28.721 --> 00:06:29.901 And, yeah. 00:06:29.961 --> 00:06:31.611 Any other tools that you found? 00:06:31.711 --> 00:06:36.781 Certainly when you're first beginning, Dungeon Master prep is. 00:06:37.741 --> 00:06:39.271 It is very strenuous. 00:06:40.141 --> 00:06:43.891 I hope for every player of the game to Dungeon Master at least one game. 00:06:44.551 --> 00:06:46.051 Like seriously to put it together. 00:06:46.111 --> 00:06:47.281 Just to understand. 00:06:47.801 --> 00:06:52.481 To the point where I have become a disciple of Mike Shea, The Lazy Dungeon 00:06:52.481 --> 00:06:59.391 Master, to try to pare down my prep time and really try to focus it to its core. 00:06:59.391 --> 00:07:03.651 So I was wondering if there were any tools that particularly helped you with that. 00:07:04.221 --> 00:07:07.871 Alison: It's funny because I have The Lazy Dungeon Master and the workbooks. 00:07:07.871 --> 00:07:07.941 All. 00:07:07.991 --> 00:07:09.061 Matt: You haven't read it. 00:07:09.061 --> 00:07:10.501 Alison: On my Kindle.. 00:07:10.671 --> 00:07:11.471 I haven't read it yet. 00:07:13.221 --> 00:07:14.381 Matt: That's awesome. 00:07:14.561 --> 00:07:18.641 Alison: I'm not doing this on purpose I swear, it was 00:07:18.691 --> 00:07:21.981 Matt: That's why this podcast, that's why this podcast works, man. 00:07:22.041 --> 00:07:23.691 That is why it works. 00:07:23.721 --> 00:07:26.361 It just, you would really think it wouldn't work. 00:07:26.391 --> 00:07:26.721 Okay. 00:07:28.011 --> 00:07:28.641 Alison: And I know. 00:07:28.851 --> 00:07:30.981 When I first, it was like, I'm going to DM. 00:07:30.981 --> 00:07:32.051 Matt how do I DM? 00:07:32.151 --> 00:07:32.781 What do I do? 00:07:33.281 --> 00:07:36.671 I just, I wish that every single one of you guys who DMs, would 00:07:36.671 --> 00:07:38.171 just show me your notes, man. 00:07:38.501 --> 00:07:41.141 That's hard for you because you and I play every game together. 00:07:41.141 --> 00:07:45.521 So you'd like, That would be a major spoiler if I saw your stuff, but 00:07:45.521 --> 00:07:46.811 I Just want to see how you do it. 00:07:46.811 --> 00:07:48.311 Cause I don't know if I'm doing it right. 00:07:48.311 --> 00:07:49.331 So here's what I did. 00:07:49.931 --> 00:07:51.851 I, you know, you have the story 00:07:53.612 --> 00:07:57.152 And it comes, you know, with its maps and there's both like the DM's version 00:07:57.182 --> 00:07:59.012 and the player's version of the maps. 00:07:59.012 --> 00:08:02.012 And so I started by crawling through all of those and getting to know its 00:08:02.012 --> 00:08:05.612 recommended NPCs and all the baddies. 00:08:06.073 --> 00:08:09.873 And then I just opened up a Dropbox paper, blank sheet. 00:08:10.473 --> 00:08:11.883 And started writing, you know? 00:08:11.883 --> 00:08:16.053 I try to use like a series of if this is in italics, then I'm supposed 00:08:16.053 --> 00:08:21.773 to read it aloud as is, if this is bolded, then this is, some kind of 00:08:21.803 --> 00:08:27.533 information or instruction that I needed to convey to players when they 00:08:27.533 --> 00:08:30.653 reach these certain points in a story. 00:08:30.893 --> 00:08:31.283 Matt: Yeah. 00:08:31.636 --> 00:08:35.906 Alison: D&D Beyond gives you these four kind of free modules when you buy 00:08:35.906 --> 00:08:39.896 Explorer's Guide to Wildemount and you could just lift them straight out and 00:08:39.896 --> 00:08:43.826 read them as is and take people on this adventure, but you know, that's boring. 00:08:43.826 --> 00:08:47.816 So I had to make it complicated and add my own NPCs. 00:08:48.486 --> 00:08:53.776 So I'd done a little Session Zero with Megan and Amy and Charity, and, had gotten 00:08:53.776 --> 00:08:55.126 to know their characters a little bit. 00:08:55.126 --> 00:08:58.606 And Brooks had sent me this long, beautiful write-up on his character 00:08:58.606 --> 00:09:01.606 and had clearly put a lot of thought into what he was coming in with. 00:09:01.606 --> 00:09:05.703 So I had tried to figure out, you know, how these would all come together. 00:09:05.703 --> 00:09:07.143 And then the Fitz was the outlier. 00:09:07.143 --> 00:09:08.763 I gave her a little bit more information. 00:09:08.763 --> 00:09:11.763 I basically positioned her as the guide for the party. 00:09:12.423 --> 00:09:16.833 So I told her just enough, like basically when we play, this 00:09:16.833 --> 00:09:18.273 name will mean something to you. 00:09:18.273 --> 00:09:20.353 I didn't tell her what it was, but that she, she would say 00:09:20.353 --> 00:09:21.643 like, oh yes, I recognize that. 00:09:22.623 --> 00:09:26.373 And so it's very funny, cause whenever I prep, it's very detailed at the 00:09:26.373 --> 00:09:29.463 beginning with a lot of things I'm supposed to just read and then it just 00:09:29.463 --> 00:09:31.653 gets less and less detailed as you go, because you know, that's, when 00:09:31.653 --> 00:09:35.479 players are going to come in and don't spend hours writing these encounters. 00:09:35.479 --> 00:09:37.879 Cause they're just going to go off the rails immediately. 00:09:38.419 --> 00:09:43.429 Matt: And that's really the only thing that I really could tell anyone. 00:09:43.489 --> 00:09:46.689 That is a lesson that you can not learn until you're a Dungeon Master. 00:09:46.719 --> 00:09:47.649 You cannot learn. 00:09:47.809 --> 00:09:48.289 Just do it. 00:09:48.319 --> 00:09:48.829 Number one. 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:54.939 Number two, you cannot guess what your players are going to do. 00:09:54.999 --> 00:09:56.679 You can not guess. 00:09:56.769 --> 00:09:59.199 You could prepare for hours. 00:09:59.469 --> 00:10:03.849 We played on Monday and I had prepared for all manner of things to happen. 00:10:04.119 --> 00:10:07.912 And the players bypassed every single thing. 00:10:08.182 --> 00:10:09.652 Totally fine. 00:10:09.682 --> 00:10:10.882 That's what you're supposed to do. 00:10:11.122 --> 00:10:12.862 That's your prerogative, right? 00:10:13.252 --> 00:10:16.970 So that's why Mike Shea is so brilliant. 00:10:17.310 --> 00:10:18.660 He's certainly not alone. 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:21.300 Everybody says this, that knows what they're talking about. 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.900 You just don't want to prep too much. 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:27.220 At least not for one thing. 00:10:27.340 --> 00:10:31.150 Now I'm imagining Matt Mercer is so organized. 00:10:31.460 --> 00:10:33.470 And is paid so well. 00:10:33.770 --> 00:10:39.980 That he literally can go and build a map and write flavor text for every 00:10:39.980 --> 00:10:42.740 single thing, just in case they walk in. 00:10:43.280 --> 00:10:47.030 And then he's incredible improviser on top of that, which means. 00:10:47.690 --> 00:10:50.660 You've got every base covered, but if you don't, if you're not Matt 00:10:50.660 --> 00:10:52.790 Mercer, which you're not, no one is. 00:10:52.820 --> 00:10:53.870 And except for him. 00:10:54.740 --> 00:10:59.990 Then yeah, you really just have to be okay with winging it sometimes. 00:11:00.090 --> 00:11:03.840 Alison: The whole reason this adventure exists is to essentially get the 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:06.630 characters to go on this like swamp crawl. 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.500 To find this lost mage. 00:11:09.890 --> 00:11:14.270 So we get into like the Lord of the land's tent and, you know, he 00:11:14.620 --> 00:11:16.630 propositions these adventurers. 00:11:17.380 --> 00:11:19.240 And they're at first, like, nah. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:22.960 Matt: And you're like, 00:11:24.130 --> 00:11:24.850 Alison: I have nothing. 00:11:24.970 --> 00:11:26.930 If you don't do this, I have nothing for you. 00:11:26.930 --> 00:11:27.820 Matt: Did you, have to say that. 00:11:28.510 --> 00:11:30.850 Alison: I basically had to offer them enough gold. 00:11:31.390 --> 00:11:33.730 I didn't want to railroad, you know, But I'm like, but no, 00:11:33.760 --> 00:11:34.810 you ha you have to go on this. 00:11:34.930 --> 00:11:36.490 You have to go find this mage. 00:11:36.610 --> 00:11:36.890 have to. 00:11:36.910 --> 00:11:37.480 Matt: I got it. 00:11:38.800 --> 00:11:42.010 Alison: And I did have to have the same conversation with each player that you've 00:11:42.010 --> 00:11:46.450 had to have with me several times of: Listen, I'm not going to try and kill you. 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:47.890 That's not my goal. 00:11:47.950 --> 00:11:48.610 I don't. 00:11:49.090 --> 00:11:51.850 If you die, I don't have a reason to play. 00:11:51.880 --> 00:11:54.730 I want you to live and do bad ass things. 00:11:54.730 --> 00:11:59.080 That is my goal as dungeon master to facilitate encounters. 00:11:59.470 --> 00:12:00.190 Not death. 00:12:00.610 --> 00:12:04.770 And so I did have to up the ante on the gold amount offered. 00:12:05.550 --> 00:12:08.850 So I think lesson that I've learned there, just if you're paying attention 00:12:08.850 --> 00:12:10.590 and you've never dungeon mastered before. 00:12:11.040 --> 00:12:14.100 If you're offering a bounty to players. 00:12:14.520 --> 00:12:17.520 Does not matter what the text says, the bounty is low ball. 00:12:17.820 --> 00:12:20.790 Just start low don't come out of the gate at 200 gold. 00:12:21.180 --> 00:12:25.530 Tell them you'll pay them 25 and then let the madness take place in the 00:12:25.530 --> 00:12:28.470 bartering and the exchanging of ideas. 00:12:28.560 --> 00:12:32.100 Matt: That that kind of could be applied to anything in life. 00:12:32.490 --> 00:12:33.000 Alison: Anything. 00:12:33.060 --> 00:12:34.380 Just come in low. 00:12:34.437 --> 00:12:35.427 On their adventure. 00:12:35.737 --> 00:12:38.047 So it was a lot of fun. 00:12:38.047 --> 00:12:44.477 I definitely in the moment, ADD or not, got overwhelmed, and 00:12:44.867 --> 00:12:46.277 that's a big thing is learning. 00:12:46.277 --> 00:12:51.187 Like Matt Mercer and the cast of Critical Role. 00:12:51.667 --> 00:12:53.377 They know their audience is captive. 00:12:53.407 --> 00:12:55.597 They know we're going to hang on what they have to say. 00:12:55.597 --> 00:12:59.707 And there they can take all the time they want and we're still going to watch. 00:13:00.517 --> 00:13:02.047 I don't quite have that luxury yet. 00:13:02.097 --> 00:13:08.217 So it's like, how do we keep a pace that's intriguing and interesting, 00:13:08.397 --> 00:13:12.147 but also own the moment and take the time to give the descriptions 00:13:12.147 --> 00:13:14.737 and, fill the spaces with ideas and. 00:13:15.327 --> 00:13:16.297 I'll get better at that, 00:13:17.847 --> 00:13:18.687 Matt: I think. 00:13:19.617 --> 00:13:23.277 I think that's one of the hardest parts for me and I'm still learning. 00:13:23.350 --> 00:13:24.700 How, how long have we been playing? 00:13:24.773 --> 00:13:27.113 Alison: We have been playing since March of 2020, and it 00:13:27.143 --> 00:13:28.973 is now almost June of 2020. 00:13:29.163 --> 00:13:29.733 Matt: so 00:13:30.103 --> 00:13:33.913 two years, later, two two years later, I still, that is 00:13:33.913 --> 00:13:36.193 still an enormous challenge. 00:13:36.213 --> 00:13:37.233 It is pacing. 00:13:37.287 --> 00:13:44.053 and, that balance of being prepared and letting go and trusting people and 00:13:44.083 --> 00:13:49.723 finding the rhythm and not trying to fill every every moment with stuff and. 00:13:50.363 --> 00:13:51.923 Alison: That's one note I made to myself. 00:13:51.923 --> 00:13:54.733 I did a little journal write up afterwards, next time, like when 00:13:54.763 --> 00:13:59.153 they come into an area of the swamp, describe the area baddie steps out. 00:13:59.573 --> 00:14:01.553 Don't just say the name of it, but what is it? 00:14:01.553 --> 00:14:02.783 What is terrifying about it? 00:14:02.813 --> 00:14:03.653 How big is it? 00:14:03.683 --> 00:14:04.583 what does it smell like? 00:14:05.093 --> 00:14:10.273 Matt: Along those lines I've been looking into this website called "dScryb". 00:14:11.223 --> 00:14:15.315 D S C R Y B.com. 00:14:15.595 --> 00:14:19.525 I don't know whether it's the thing, but I go back and forth with, 00:14:19.795 --> 00:14:23.635 whenever I do have flavor texts to read whenever I do have, you know, 00:14:23.681 --> 00:14:25.961 Alison: Is that an official term, by the way, flavor 00:14:26.261 --> 00:14:27.011 Matt: I think it is. 00:14:27.638 --> 00:14:28.748 Yeah, I think it is. 00:14:29.058 --> 00:14:32.838 I know that as an actor, I can read it and not sound super. 00:14:32.868 --> 00:14:36.108 I mean, y'all can obviously tell when I'm reading and when I'm not, 00:14:36.108 --> 00:14:38.198 but you can make it come alive. 00:14:38.198 --> 00:14:38.618 Right. 00:14:38.708 --> 00:14:41.968 And so I was thinking, gosh, these people at Dscryb what they do is they 00:14:41.968 --> 00:14:45.388 just write flavor text for everything. 00:14:45.488 --> 00:14:46.898 Alison: I'm on the website right now. 00:14:46.898 --> 00:14:47.258 See. 00:14:47.978 --> 00:14:50.798 The ADHD in me, you've given me a new thing? 00:14:50.798 --> 00:14:52.658 and now I'm playing on this. 00:14:52.755 --> 00:14:56.805 Matt: I haven't bitten the bullet yet, but I've definitely looked at it. 00:14:56.805 --> 00:14:57.945 The writing is great. 00:14:57.975 --> 00:15:00.925 And to have this cavalcade of writers and they. 00:15:01.615 --> 00:15:03.565 And they just, describe things, which is really fun. 00:15:03.565 --> 00:15:04.675 So it's like goblin. 00:15:05.065 --> 00:15:08.795 And you've just spit out this fun description of a goblin. 00:15:09.365 --> 00:15:10.475 So that's an idea. 00:15:10.475 --> 00:15:14.165 And I wonder, what I wonder is in the context is. 00:15:14.439 --> 00:15:18.249 For me because my brain is already on the next thing. 00:15:18.249 --> 00:15:24.309 And it's difficult enough for me to actually speak the stuff in my brain 00:15:24.669 --> 00:15:27.612 when I'm just living my life day to day. 00:15:28.122 --> 00:15:32.172 Would it be helpful to have that kind of centering. 00:15:32.479 --> 00:15:36.379 I do have sort of a relaxed feeling when I get to a flavor 00:15:36.379 --> 00:15:38.059 text box, you know, I kind of go. 00:15:38.125 --> 00:15:41.935 Okay, this is centering me, it's describing it for them. 00:15:42.715 --> 00:15:44.545 It actually is part of the game. 00:15:44.875 --> 00:15:50.635 I wonder if at least at the beginning of your DM career, your GM career. 00:15:50.635 --> 00:15:53.845 I wonder if it, at least at the beginning, until you get to a 00:15:53.845 --> 00:15:56.975 point where it is just eloquent. 00:15:57.605 --> 00:15:59.375 Then maybe DScryb is the way to go.. 00:15:59.445 --> 00:16:05.165 Alison: So I just, I hit up DScryb, I typed in cave entrance, and then I went 00:16:05.165 --> 00:16:07.015 to the free tab and these are great. 00:16:07.415 --> 00:16:08.735 You see a small cave entrance. 00:16:09.085 --> 00:16:11.855 Its arched appearance seems too uniform to be natural. 00:16:12.095 --> 00:16:14.615 Inside, the cave floor quickly descends into darkness. 00:16:14.615 --> 00:16:18.125 A strong musty smell comes from within, and the faint echo 00:16:18.125 --> 00:16:19.775 of water reaches your ears. 00:16:20.525 --> 00:16:23.585 If I could just burp that out instead of having to think that out. 00:16:23.615 --> 00:16:24.065 Oh man. 00:16:24.095 --> 00:16:25.295 Now I want to give you one to read. 00:16:26.348 --> 00:16:27.128 Pick a baddie. 00:16:27.192 --> 00:16:29.342 Matt: Um, Okay, here we go. 00:16:29.342 --> 00:16:29.702 Here we go. 00:16:29.702 --> 00:16:30.212 Here we go. 00:16:30.812 --> 00:16:32.972 The draconic form wriggles. 00:16:33.542 --> 00:16:39.722 Heaving its reptilian body from its newly broken shell with a wet tearing sound. 00:16:40.502 --> 00:16:46.622 Sticky fluids ooze from the shell as the beast takes its first unfettered breaths. 00:16:47.072 --> 00:16:50.252 And then moves clumsily as it learns to walk. 00:16:50.852 --> 00:16:55.112 It's gaze roams the surrounding area and its nostrils flare. 00:16:55.502 --> 00:16:58.802 Testing the air for signs of food or danger. 00:16:59.732 --> 00:17:03.392 It raises its head when the scent of fresh blood and viscera fills the air. 00:17:03.592 --> 00:17:06.212 Its jaws already slathered with slime. 00:17:06.572 --> 00:17:12.632 And its eyes shining with a hunger not yet sated. 00:17:14.432 --> 00:17:16.352 That's dragon hatching out of its shell. 00:17:16.382 --> 00:17:17.432 By DScryb. 00:17:17.822 --> 00:17:18.662 Alison: So there it is. 00:17:18.692 --> 00:17:22.262 we have helped the masses listening to this podcast. 00:17:22.682 --> 00:17:24.542 DScryb you heard it. 00:17:24.552 --> 00:17:29.821 if making descriptions and talking, improvising, freaks you the hell 00:17:29.821 --> 00:17:32.371 out, ADHD driven or otherwise. 00:17:33.091 --> 00:17:34.381 Find a tool, man. 00:17:34.381 --> 00:17:35.281 That's what this is about. 00:17:35.311 --> 00:17:36.301 Just find the tools that you 00:17:36.331 --> 00:17:36.361 Matt: a 00:17:36.631 --> 00:17:37.711 Alison: to get the job done. 00:17:37.741 --> 00:17:39.841 Matt: That was my question too, was just tools. 00:17:39.871 --> 00:17:43.081 And so I shared, I ended up sharing a tool for you and I, yeah. 00:17:43.131 --> 00:17:44.451 Speaking of tools. 00:17:45.141 --> 00:17:47.811 May I segue into my portion or are you. 00:17:48.301 --> 00:17:50.791 Alison: I was actually about to ask, I think now it's your turn to 00:17:50.791 --> 00:17:53.640 Matt: So here's the struggle that I've had. 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:55.890 That I have as a human being. 00:17:56.820 --> 00:17:59.880 Is that I love tools. 00:18:00.171 --> 00:18:03.951 I love creating and I love tools and I sometimes I get 00:18:03.951 --> 00:18:06.501 distracted by one or the other. 00:18:07.131 --> 00:18:11.931 You are right, I absolutely did fall in love instantly with Elyse Myers. 00:18:12.291 --> 00:18:15.291 And one of her, one of her little, shorts was. 00:18:15.921 --> 00:18:19.071 It was just like her typing in something and it said. 00:18:19.641 --> 00:18:21.381 Should I learn this new tool? 00:18:21.771 --> 00:18:22.371 No. 00:18:22.821 --> 00:18:23.871 Am I going to do it anyway? 00:18:23.871 --> 00:18:24.261 Yes. 00:18:24.561 --> 00:18:28.401 Uh, And that's me, that's the story of my life. 00:18:28.711 --> 00:18:33.241 So I kind of vacillate back and forth from, okay, how agnostic can I make 00:18:33.241 --> 00:18:37.761 this versus how can I use a tool that really does actually help me right. 00:18:38.241 --> 00:18:38.751 And. 00:18:39.991 --> 00:18:43.741 I've got this coach that kind of helps me with this tool obsession. 00:18:43.818 --> 00:18:45.388 But technology is never going to stop. 00:18:45.388 --> 00:18:47.848 And it's always going to be enticing, always going to be amazing. 00:18:48.148 --> 00:18:50.644 And it's always going to help just a little bit, right. 00:18:51.004 --> 00:18:58.041 Like DScryb, and, the problem with that is we started playing the game virtually. 00:18:58.701 --> 00:19:00.381 There has been no other option. 00:19:00.411 --> 00:19:01.131 I have never. 00:19:01.971 --> 00:19:04.191 Since I was 10, I've not played live. 00:19:04.221 --> 00:19:06.201 We're going to change that in a few weeks. 00:19:06.441 --> 00:19:09.861 Which I'm super psyched about, but I have to change my way of 00:19:10.491 --> 00:19:13.461 playing for that weekend, right. 00:19:13.491 --> 00:19:15.411 Because I don't actually don't know how to do it. 00:19:15.591 --> 00:19:19.731 And so I kind of go back and forth and I want to get to the place where the 00:19:19.731 --> 00:19:21.621 majority of my prep is in one place. 00:19:21.861 --> 00:19:23.811 The majority of my thinking is in one place. 00:19:23.931 --> 00:19:29.054 And then I can just export it to the tools that I need for the situation. 00:19:29.184 --> 00:19:33.934 and I think that the times that it starts to break down is what I'm trying to find 00:19:33.934 --> 00:19:37.204 that balance of tools and focus right. 00:19:38.104 --> 00:19:39.154 Um, Because. 00:19:39.994 --> 00:19:46.594 People with ADHD do have a focus difficulty at times, and it's 00:19:46.594 --> 00:19:48.634 really just what to focus on. 00:19:48.874 --> 00:19:55.951 And so if I spend dear sweet prep time trying to lock down making combat 00:19:55.981 --> 00:19:58.711 easier in Foundry Virtual Tabletop. 00:19:58.868 --> 00:20:02.618 Then the game story suffers a bit, right? 00:20:03.378 --> 00:20:08.464 Then sometimes I will know exactly every NPC's middle name. 00:20:08.578 --> 00:20:13.888 But then we get in and combat is super broken, because I'm not prepared 00:20:13.888 --> 00:20:16.669 with how to make it happen live. 00:20:17.209 --> 00:20:21.239 I've been going down this path, taking stock on all the things about 00:20:21.899 --> 00:20:24.479 Dungeons and Dragons fifth edition, 5E. 00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:30.012 That have not felt right to me after two years. 00:20:30.364 --> 00:20:36.743 I know that a lot of this is because there are hipsters now that play 00:20:37.133 --> 00:20:39.863 role-playing games and they call them OSR. 00:20:39.863 --> 00:20:42.473 It's an old school revival, Renaissance 00:20:42.523 --> 00:20:47.053 And what it is they're going back to the original tomes the Gary Gygax 00:20:47.323 --> 00:20:53.463 TSR era, the red box, the, different writers, different editions, and 00:20:53.463 --> 00:20:55.413 they get super hardcore about it. 00:20:55.713 --> 00:20:58.533 But I will say it was a different game back then. 00:20:58.953 --> 00:21:00.183 It was a very different game. 00:21:00.933 --> 00:21:05.333 And there's so, so, so many things about 5E that I really love more. 00:21:05.397 --> 00:21:07.447 I love the relative simplicity of it. 00:21:07.867 --> 00:21:11.147 I love the focus on backgrounds and role-playing and 00:21:11.147 --> 00:21:13.757 storytelling and the, size of it. 00:21:13.847 --> 00:21:17.327 And I love the community of it, which of course we didn't have back then. 00:21:17.777 --> 00:21:21.257 But there's a few things that I feel like to get to simplicity, they 00:21:21.257 --> 00:21:23.087 took some things away that I miss. 00:21:24.137 --> 00:21:27.977 There's an edginess, there's a grittiness, I think that 5E does not have. 00:21:28.757 --> 00:21:33.517 And you just touched on one where your friend Brooks spent days 00:21:33.517 --> 00:21:34.927 and days creating a character. 00:21:35.257 --> 00:21:36.817 We wouldn't have done that back then. 00:21:37.237 --> 00:21:39.367 Because death happened really often. 00:21:39.367 --> 00:21:42.337 sometimes you would like build two characters just in 00:21:42.337 --> 00:21:44.347 case one died in a session. 00:21:45.447 --> 00:21:46.167 I'm not kidding. 00:21:46.857 --> 00:21:49.497 Alison: This is what is the word I'm looking for? 00:21:49.827 --> 00:21:54.117 Antithetical to what we were saying earlier with I'm a dungeon master. 00:21:54.117 --> 00:21:55.677 It's not my goal to kill you. 00:21:56.037 --> 00:21:58.407 Yes, it is because dying is is too hard. 00:21:58.497 --> 00:21:59.007 Matt: I know. 00:21:59.037 --> 00:21:59.307 I know. 00:21:59.307 --> 00:21:59.637 I know. 00:21:59.757 --> 00:22:00.207 I know. 00:22:00.267 --> 00:22:00.507 I know. 00:22:00.507 --> 00:22:01.077 I love that. 00:22:01.317 --> 00:22:05.807 I love that, but it's not really specifically death, and I want 00:22:05.807 --> 00:22:09.137 to reiterate it wasn't the dungeon master killing people. 00:22:09.257 --> 00:22:14.765 It was just that the game really was dungeons, and, there weren't even 00:22:14.765 --> 00:22:17.025 that many dragons until Dragonlance. 00:22:17.045 --> 00:22:20.135 Seriously until Dragonlance there weren't even that many dragons. 00:22:20.895 --> 00:22:23.775 And so it was like dungeon after dungeon. 00:22:23.805 --> 00:22:25.035 I mean, that's what you did. 00:22:25.035 --> 00:22:26.911 And that was plenty fun. 00:22:27.331 --> 00:22:29.851 You know, and I think things started to open up and change 00:22:30.031 --> 00:22:31.231 when Dragonlance came out. 00:22:31.741 --> 00:22:34.505 And that's when I really started loving the game. 00:22:34.625 --> 00:22:38.068 So what that says to me is that 5E is my jam. 00:22:38.128 --> 00:22:39.628 The new versions are my jam. 00:22:39.688 --> 00:22:43.181 I've said before I tried 4E and it was very complicated. 00:22:43.811 --> 00:22:48.131 My point with all this is just to say that there's some things that I do miss. 00:22:48.131 --> 00:22:52.141 There's an, there is a stakes that I find missing sometimes, 00:22:52.201 --> 00:22:53.761 especially in combat, right? 00:22:53.941 --> 00:22:57.211 And you'll find this as a dungeon master that as your characters get 00:22:57.211 --> 00:23:00.121 more powerful you can't challenge them. 00:23:00.201 --> 00:23:02.651 It's so difficult to challenge y'all. 00:23:02.751 --> 00:23:08.908 I'm not joking and in order to challenge you, you have to be 10 times more 00:23:08.908 --> 00:23:17.268 focused on, on a vampire's legendary actions, you have to know so much more. 00:23:17.568 --> 00:23:22.818 And so what I guess what I'm trying to say is everybody wants to start at third level 00:23:23.028 --> 00:23:24.768 and they want to go until 20th level. 00:23:24.768 --> 00:23:25.098 Right. 00:23:25.458 --> 00:23:29.778 And the sweet, sweet, sweet spot is like five to 10, right? 00:23:29.808 --> 00:23:34.458 Like you really start rocking, but your characters are just, they're just like, 00:23:35.238 --> 00:23:40.368 the Avengers and they're unstoppable and there's so many little things and turns go 00:23:40.368 --> 00:23:43.458 on for forever because it's this and that. 00:23:43.458 --> 00:23:46.158 And also this, and this is my reaction and this is my bonus. 00:23:46.368 --> 00:23:49.188 And it's like 50,000 points of damage. 00:23:49.368 --> 00:23:50.298 And you're like, oh, wow. 00:23:51.178 --> 00:23:54.968 Strahd just died, that was the whole point of this game and he's dead. 00:23:55.632 --> 00:23:58.312 So, um, I've been thinking of. 00:23:59.752 --> 00:24:02.332 How to both simplify, combat. 00:24:03.412 --> 00:24:07.192 And make everything feel like good grief. 00:24:07.912 --> 00:24:09.982 There is a hoard of skeletons coming. 00:24:10.582 --> 00:24:12.232 We are really overwhelmed. 00:24:12.322 --> 00:24:14.062 Are we going to live through this? 00:24:14.242 --> 00:24:16.792 Now, again, my job is to not let you die. 00:24:16.852 --> 00:24:17.438 I get that. 00:24:17.576 --> 00:24:22.143 But I still want to make the players fear death. 00:24:22.563 --> 00:24:26.193 So they're really going to pull out every stop that they can. 00:24:26.763 --> 00:24:29.523 And then they're going to give the Dungeon Master as much as they 00:24:29.523 --> 00:24:34.781 can, and they're going to be super ready to rock in any situation. 00:24:34.781 --> 00:24:35.621 Does that make sense? 00:24:36.461 --> 00:24:37.541 Alison: It does. 00:24:37.781 --> 00:24:39.101 And it doesn't in other ways. 00:24:39.881 --> 00:24:41.141 And so I hear you. 00:24:42.011 --> 00:24:45.851 And I think that these are frustrations that may be unique to DM-ing because 00:24:45.881 --> 00:24:51.401 I will tell you as a player, I have never once in two years, sometimes 00:24:51.401 --> 00:24:55.361 playing D&D three, four times a week. 00:24:55.361 --> 00:25:00.101 I have never once been in a combat that I thought lasted too long. 00:25:00.461 --> 00:25:04.301 I have never once watched Critical Role and thought this 00:25:04.301 --> 00:25:06.011 combat is lasting too long. 00:25:06.071 --> 00:25:08.641 It goes back to what I was saying earlier with those who are 00:25:08.641 --> 00:25:12.031 professionals and have the confidence that those of us that aren't are 00:25:12.031 --> 00:25:13.861 still building is take the space. 00:25:13.861 --> 00:25:14.611 Own the moment. 00:25:14.971 --> 00:25:17.211 When somebody is really good at public speaking. 00:25:17.421 --> 00:25:20.091 They're not worried about what the audience thinks about 00:25:20.091 --> 00:25:21.741 their gaps and their pauses. 00:25:22.041 --> 00:25:25.371 They're going to take the time they need to think through what they want to say. 00:25:26.901 --> 00:25:28.281 And maybe the audience. 00:25:29.091 --> 00:25:31.461 Just thinks that they're pausing for effect, right? 00:25:31.521 --> 00:25:32.901 They're not worried about you. 00:25:33.711 --> 00:25:35.601 And so it's interesting. 00:25:35.601 --> 00:25:38.541 to me, cause I know you and I have talked about this subject at length, 00:25:38.541 --> 00:25:42.801 but I don't know that I connected the dots until today that it was about your 00:25:43.461 --> 00:25:47.331 feeling, fear, whatever you want to call it, that combat takes too long. 00:25:48.231 --> 00:25:51.331 I've gotten better at role-playing and enjoying. 00:25:51.331 --> 00:25:54.221 Cause remember when we first started, man, I was all like fight fight fight fight. 00:25:54.241 --> 00:25:55.531 I did not wanna do any role play. 00:25:55.631 --> 00:25:59.861 And I think I've got a little bit less chaotic six year old boy about it. 00:26:00.251 --> 00:26:01.031 But I still love it. 00:26:01.031 --> 00:26:02.111 It's still my favorite thing. 00:26:02.141 --> 00:26:02.621 I. 00:26:03.461 --> 00:26:06.731 Maybe I am sometimes disappointed when I don't get a combat in sessions. 00:26:07.681 --> 00:26:09.871 but I'm never disappointed if the combat takes too long. 00:26:09.901 --> 00:26:13.261 I love Critical Role episodes where the entire episode is combat. 00:26:13.261 --> 00:26:17.551 So this almost fixation on how do we shorten combat I'm 00:26:17.551 --> 00:26:18.571 like, what are you doing? 00:26:18.841 --> 00:26:21.241 That is, that's why we do that. 00:26:21.241 --> 00:26:22.591 Even though all the other stuff is fun, too. 00:26:22.651 --> 00:26:23.701 And I promise I like it. 00:26:23.701 --> 00:26:24.731 So just think about 00:26:25.127 --> 00:26:28.667 Matt: You could be on to something about the DM and you could also be 00:26:28.667 --> 00:26:31.367 onto something about Virtual play. 00:26:31.967 --> 00:26:37.367 Because as a DM, what I see is everybody checking their email. 00:26:38.117 --> 00:26:39.037 When it's not their turn. 00:26:39.787 --> 00:26:40.027 Alison: Fair. 00:26:40.087 --> 00:26:41.207 Matt: I know you're checking your email. 00:26:41.327 --> 00:26:42.617 I know you are or whatever. 00:26:42.647 --> 00:26:43.907 I know you're doing something else. 00:26:43.937 --> 00:26:45.157 There's no, I've done it. 00:26:45.317 --> 00:26:46.097 it's natural. 00:26:46.097 --> 00:26:46.697 It's right there. 00:26:46.697 --> 00:26:47.987 You're not, not going to do it. 00:26:48.617 --> 00:26:51.527 and that does erode confidence. 00:26:51.587 --> 00:26:53.177 I mean, people in Critical Role are doing it. 00:26:53.327 --> 00:26:55.607 They're talking, they're checking their phones or doing this stuff. 00:26:55.907 --> 00:26:59.027 To me, that just means everything's taking too long. 00:26:59.207 --> 00:27:00.647 It just feels like it's taking too long. 00:27:00.647 --> 00:27:05.231 I, I can either, like maybe you have to try to turn y'all off to, 00:27:05.251 --> 00:27:11.633 not have that thing, because I just want, I want that engagement. 00:27:12.053 --> 00:27:14.933 I know that we have engagement when we're having a role-playing thing. 00:27:15.143 --> 00:27:18.433 And combat just starts to feel like a. 00:27:19.003 --> 00:27:22.723 Alison: But maybe our brains like maybe for a second, because I've been 00:27:22.723 --> 00:27:26.023 in the weeds with the role-playing and the combat, and now it's not my turn. 00:27:26.293 --> 00:27:28.963 Maybe I need that second just to be like, oh wait, what did 00:27:28.963 --> 00:27:30.283 that person put on Instagram? 00:27:30.703 --> 00:27:33.943 I have tried to be better about putting my phone away away. 00:27:34.243 --> 00:27:38.383 Cause I know that I can be very easily distracted and that can be not good. 00:27:38.383 --> 00:27:41.293 So I'm not trying to make excuses for that part, but like sometimes. 00:27:41.593 --> 00:27:42.703 It is nice to just be like what? 00:27:42.703 --> 00:27:43.153 Okay, great. 00:27:43.153 --> 00:27:43.663 Now I'm back. 00:27:44.653 --> 00:27:48.583 And it doesn't mean that I'm bored, upset, don't love everything that's going on 00:27:48.583 --> 00:27:51.973 or want the person who's having their moment in the spotlight not to have it. 00:27:52.003 --> 00:27:53.923 Like, take your moment. 00:27:54.023 --> 00:27:56.123 and I think that's everything I'm building towards. 00:27:56.393 --> 00:27:57.053 But I hear you. 00:27:57.053 --> 00:28:00.983 We can do better job of focusing and those who are really good at combat 00:28:00.983 --> 00:28:06.473 are good at like setting others up for their turns, being aware of who I need 00:28:06.473 --> 00:28:08.763 to be giving some kind of buff to. 00:28:08.783 --> 00:28:10.703 So yeah, we can get better at that. 00:28:11.273 --> 00:28:11.783 Matt: I hear you. 00:28:11.933 --> 00:28:12.443 I hear you. 00:28:13.443 --> 00:28:16.673 This has been very helpful to me to discuss these things because 00:28:17.083 --> 00:28:20.173 it's an interesting thing and it actually helps to know that 00:28:20.173 --> 00:28:21.643 people are not bored with combat. 00:28:21.883 --> 00:28:27.043 I think though, that we can work together to make it as engaging 00:28:27.553 --> 00:28:28.783 as the role-playing stuff. 00:28:28.873 --> 00:28:30.673 That's, that is now my challenge. 00:28:30.703 --> 00:28:32.053 I'm going to figure it out. 00:28:32.443 --> 00:28:33.553 Alison: We learned so much. 00:28:33.583 --> 00:28:36.193 We think we know it all about each other. 00:28:36.193 --> 00:28:38.353 And then we come together and it's like, wait, what? 00:28:39.283 --> 00:28:39.553 what? 00:28:39.653 --> 00:28:41.693 Matt: Um, well, this was a fun podcast. 00:28:41.943 --> 00:28:42.543 Alison: I agree. 00:28:42.753 --> 00:28:44.283 Okay, thanks for doing it with me. 00:28:44.493 --> 00:28:46.023 Matt: Thank you for doing this with me. 00:28:46.023 --> 00:28:47.973 This is number five four! 00:28:48.213 --> 00:28:49.533 Alison: Six. 00:28:53.953 --> 00:28:54.463 Matt: Oh, my God. 00:28:55.183 --> 00:28:56.683 This is number 45. 00:28:57.283 --> 00:28:57.673 Love it. 00:28:59.173 --> 00:29:01.723 Alison: This is the podcast that doesn't 00:29:02.113 --> 00:29:06.300 Matt: um, um, yeah, everybody, if you want, please find 00:29:06.300 --> 00:29:07.650 us and start conversations. 00:29:07.650 --> 00:29:10.020 Full we'll, find ways that you can start conversations with, 00:29:10.050 --> 00:29:12.930 because we want to know what y'all think about these things as well. 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.060 We'll find some sort of forum that you can speak to us in. 00:29:18.810 --> 00:29:20.280 Alison that'll be Alison's job. 00:29:20.310 --> 00:29:23.460 That's Alison we'll tell you, we'll put it in some kind of show note. 00:29:23.860 --> 00:29:26.320 But until next week, Alison, I love you. 00:29:26.560 --> 00:29:28.240 Thanks for with me. 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:29.110 Alison: Thanks. 00:29:30.040 --> 00:29:30.520 Matt: Okay. 00:29:31.130 --> 00:29:32.940 Ch-ch-ch-change!