Music.
Welcome to the Uncut Podcast. I'm Pastor Luke, and I'm Pastor Cameron, and welcome
back to the Uncut Podcast, where we have uncut, honest conversations about faith.
Life, and ministry. I almost forgot what we talked about here. So I was in here the
other day, and I realized something, Cameron, that maybe you didn't realize or
maybe our viewers have been noticing, but haven't said anything about.
But this plant that's in between the two of us is an actual plant.
I thought it was fake. No, it's real. The snake plant, right? Yeah.
Well, we haven't been watering it.
It's slowly been dying.
I watered it before today's episode. Well, I'm going to tell you, like, I don't know that you can actually kill
these things because we have several in our house.
And if you ask, if you ask my wife, she will tell you that our house is the place where plants go to die.
It's hospice for plants. And we have a few snake plants that are just like, I'm not sure we've ever watered them.
Ever. They're just still alive and going. Okay. Well, I was like the other day, I was like, oh, this poor thing.
Like I wonder if it's just been slowly welting the whole course of this podcast and like our viewers,
maybe a plant lover out there has just been slowly watching it being stored.
We should go back to the first episode and see if there's a difference in like the shape
and the color of how it looks. See if it looked healthier. Yeah, it probably did.
I mean, we are on, what we're recording now is episode 29?
Yeah, 28 or 29, something like that. We're getting close to 30 episodes. Yeah, so that's...
Like that's over half a year. Yeah, do we start in January? When did we started?
Well, I think we started recording at the end of January or maybe mid-january. I think we started releasing in early February
Okay, so February would be a year for us. Yeah, I think yeah for sure by next February would 100% be a year
Yeah, I'm proud of us,
Yeah We've not quit We've not quit.
We've not skipped a week.
It's not always been really easy to get them recorded or to know what we're talking about.
And obviously, I like some weeks and episodes are probably better, definitely better than others.
But I think every podcast has gotta be like that.
And yeah, there's some podcasts where I follow them Subscribed to them and I really really like the content. Mm-hmm, but it's so abnormally posted,
Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, it's just kind of like sporadic. Yeah, it's like they it's you can't count on when an episode is gonna come out Yeah,
A lot of the bigger ones you can.
You know the ones with really big budgets and famous people on them. Yeah, right, right because they have other people kind of,
of arranging their schedules.
But there's others that have like start and they're like, oh wow, okay,
these first few episodes are really good.
And then it's like they haven't posted since March. Yeah, I've definitely run it,
I've found like, ooh, a podcast about the topic I really wanna learn about or know more things about.
They've only got three episodes and that was like two years ago
and they like stopped and like their last episode
is like, I'll see you next week and then two years go by.
Years go by, you know, and not that that, like, you know, that totally understand
how that happens with just about like any hobby.
Um, but podcasts is definitely like, uh, I don't know. I hope if you're listening, I hope this feels like a, a bit like a conversation
kind of sitting in a conversation with us, you know, right.
Well, and also there's still, and we were talking about this on Tuesday, there's
still the dynamic of us trying to determine what this actually is?
Yeah. Because.
Like there's still a significant, at least, there's still a pretty serious dynamic,
at least internally to me, where I'm really aware of this, and this.
The fact that there's a microphone pointed right at our faces.
And I still, like, I still don't feel like the podcast has got the best of me.
Like it's not got the best of what's inside of me. Right, like.
Because some of the conversations that we have in private without the cameras and the microphones,
I feel like have been really helpful, really like good stuff.
And that was kind of one of the initial reasons that we wanted to do this was like,
man, we often have some, you know, off the microphone conversations that we feel like would be valuable
if we could just press an internal recording button.
Right. So still trying to grab onto that dynamic of like how to podcast in a uncut way.
Knowing that it's actually cut. Yeah.
I mean, very, you know, it is cut in its own like. We've never cut out content in order to.
I don't think so. No, I mean, a little bit of post editing. Yeah, I think like for the most part,
you're sitting through like a solid stream of consciousness.
We're not even editing out ums and breaks in our thoughts and things like that.
I think there's maybe been once or twice, like maybe one of us needed to go to the bathroom
or answer the door or something, had to stop, but. So my commitment is to try and do a better job of.
Not guarding what I say, and just opening, just continuing to open up a little bit
and let the cards just kind of fall where they do in conversation, right?
I find it's really hard, like that's, I mean, it's really hard to do that
because like, I mean, the buzz pop psychology word,
is like imposter syndrome, right?
But I'm always just like, I don't know, do I actually know anything?
Right. Or do people care about the things that I know? Yeah,
that too. So like, I mean, I,
like there's, I was talking to someone about this actually just this,
just like two days ago, uh, we were talking about what it takes to be an expert at things, you know,
and there's like the law of 10,000, you know, 10,000 hours or,
what the, the,
The arena that I talk about that a lot in is the is in jiu-jitsu a lot of people know that I'm I do jiu-jitsu and,
I Tell my students all the time that if you want to get good at a particular technique,
plan on 10,000 reps,
Like there's no there's no substitute to repetitions and
So we got to talking about like, okay. Well, what are the areas in my life where there's like,
you've reached expert level and.
You know you could take it in a lot of different ways and usually people are not experts at something unless there have been extraordinarily dedicated or Obsessed even yeah,
when they're young or they're just older and and the longevity of them doing something
has just amassed an expert level.
So things like, say what are the things that I've been doing the longest in life?
The three things I've been doing the longest while I've been pastoring.
Be going into my 19th year, into my 19th year right now.
Which seems really, really strange to say I don't feel like I've been old enough,
I'm not old enough to do anything for 19 years.
But also being married. I just had my 19th wedding anniversary to my wife.
And then the third is jujitsu, which I've been doing for 18 years.
So there is some imposter syndrome, always.
But there also is some areas where...
Like, no, we've actually put in a lot of time and had a lot of experiences and have really, I think, decent perspective,
or had an opportunity to see so many different perspectives
that we at least have an educated opinion on something.
Well, and, you know, like, one of the things, like you mentioned pastoring,
and I'm like, yeah, like, you know, I've not been professionally pastoring for a long time.
I think I've been doing more... I've been studying the Bible for a very long time,
been reading about the Bible and theology for a very long time, been preaching.
Much longer than I've been a pastor. But then I was thinking about, I was like, you know, the other
piece, there's certainly things that you can only grow in your skill set while being a pastor and
overseeing a church. But then there's things like that personal self-work, like working through,
your relationship with God, going through different seasons, kind of working on yourself,
helping other people and kind of being with them through difficult times, like all of that stuff.
When you scaffold out what is contained inside of the skill set of a pastor. So you mentioned those
three things. I'm like, well, Cameron's also really good at incisively understanding what's,
going on inside of someone's heart. I don't know if everyone's told you that before, but that's,
something I think you're very good at. There's been several times where I've seen you either
in conversation with someone or in conversation with me, and you're able to just go.
Whoop, and just point right at what is the core of the issue. Or you have a good way of
kind of, you know, taking, you know, what's, uh, put it like in a, an example, I guess, like,
you know, if you ever see a kid who like falls and hits their knee and scrapes their knee and
they start crying, you know, and they're like, mommy, kiss it or whatever, make the boo-boo
go better or whatever. Well, the kid's not actually physically hurt. They're having like
an emotional thing. And, and you have a really good way of when people, or when, you know,
when someone comes to you and they're like, I want to talk about this theological issue,
or I want to talk about you, this life issue I'm coming up against, or this thing, you're like,
you know what, that thing, the thing is probably not the thing, it's probably this thing. And you
have a good way of getting to that. And that's indicative of doing your own personal work and
things like that. So I do think that there's even more scaffolding.
Right, you're right, yeah, so it's not just like the work of pastoring.
It's all of these multidisciplinary things that are involved there.
And so even if you talk about, well, all right, let's say we work 40 hours a week.
And yeah, that might be what we work, but I know from my experience,
I know this is true in yours, that the thought process of ministry is almost nonstop.
Is almost nonstop. Is it very, very rarely am I not thinking about something having to do with ministry or church
or pastoring or the people I'm serving or whatever.
But if you were just to take the raw hours, 40 hours across 52 weeks in a year,
in a year you're talking about almost,
don't ever do math in public, of 20,080, or not 20,000, 2,080 hours a year.
So after five years of pastoring, you're essentially have reached that magical
Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hours.
Right, which some people have challenged, but it's still generally a good principle.
So five years, so that means I'm actually coming up on five years here for myself
being in a full-time pastoral role.
Yeah, I mean, and I would say that there's time in.
I would say, shouldn't discount time training for pastoral ministry as the same thing.
And then there's always the caveats of like, well, there's been many weeks where I've worked 60 hours
or 80 hours, right, versus 40.
Heaven, I don't think there's been that many hours we've done 80, or weeks we've done 80 hours.
Very rare, very rare in my ministry has there ever been a week where I've done,
something like that, but there has been. It's rare though, so.
But anyway, I think we said all that to talk about how we've been feeling about the podcast.
And I was on vacation.
A week and a half ago, two weeks ago, something like that. And you had an experience podcasting,
that was different than this.
The conversation back and forth. Yeah, so I sat down to start another podcast.
Here at Conduit called Rooted.
The podcast name on both YouTube and where you listen to podcasts is Rooted Life Change.
Um, so if you're familiar conduit, uh, you might not be, you might've heard of rooted before.
Um, but you've probably not encountered it on any of your socials or in a podcast world
or anything like that.
So, so let's talk. So it was a, it was a monologue podcast. Yep.
It's just me, which is much different than this. It's a lot easier to have a conversation with somebody over a microphone than it is for
me to just talk into a microphone.
Was a unique experience, but yeah. Did you manuscript that? I have all my main primary
thoughts and stuff written out in the notes and stuff that I've been using when I was teaching
the group and leading the group. And so I just had a copy of that in front of me on my phone.
To glance down to remind myself of what maybe the topic was. Maybe there was an illustration in
in there I used, but there were, some of it was also just off the top of my head
as I was talking about it.
I've tried to use teleprompter apps on like iPads and stuff like that to do videos and stuff like that.
And as much as I wanna make it work because I feel like, well, if I can type out
what I actually wanna say, it'll be better. It's just so hard to do that.
But it's so hard to not seem like you're reading and following the next line.
Right. Like avoiding teleprompter voice is so hard. Yeah, yeah.
And also, if you're gonna do it with an app, you get this weird back and forth
between looking at the camera and looking at the teleprompter,
unless you have like a- And like setting it up so the iPad is right behind the camera
so you're looking at the, whatever.
Yeah, no, that's. But anyway, so it is a monologue podcast that is called Rooted Life Change,
and this is coming out of a ministry that you started here at Conduit,
and a little bit of backstory or history,
to that particular ministry, and then I'm gonna let Luke talk about it a little bit more is that...
You know, we have a strong belief here at Conduit that the, I would say it's more of the strong belief.
That sounds even more clinical than I want it to be, but like, we actually have this crazy, crazy perspective
that the gospel of Jesus Christ changes people's lives.
And not just their spiritual life or their eternal destiny, but every thread of the fabric of their being
could be changed by the power of the gospel.
And so when we are, when people are struggling with an emotional issue or a mental issue or a physical issue
or a spiritual issue,
or we do believe that the gospel has healing power,
in all of those situations, and that's not to give kind of like the pat spiritual answer of like,
well, if you're addicted, all you need to do
is be more spiritual, or just believe in the gospel, and you will be completely freed from that addiction.
I do believe that the power of the gospel will lead to, can lead to freedom from addiction for sure,
but it's often a little bit more nuanced than that.
But anyway, and so you coming on board here, recognizing that dynamic that we have here at Conduit,
also your role as associate pastor, but really focused on discipleship and moving people from one position in either pre-gospel
or to living a life.
Fully transformed by the presence of Jesus, is like, okay, we see these things,
how do we begin, we see these things evident in people's lives,
how do we begin to offer,
from the perspective, from a gospel center perspective, a place where these people can find support
and encouragement, community, and healing, and a process to grow in?
There's lots of different programs out there. like that, you know, like some of the more,
like, I would say well-known ones,
are Celebrate Recovery, which comes from out of California Saddleback Community Church.
There's one that kind of had a little bit of life cycle here in Chautauqua County for a while,
started by Tracy and Daryl Strawberry.
Daryl Strawberry, as in the baseball player and his wife, called Clean, Sober, and Saved.
I don't have a whole lot of familiarity with it other than to know that it exists.
There's a few others.
Yeah, I think there's one that's called Life Transformation that I've interacted with, and that one's pretty good.
Yeah, and then there's obviously programs like AA, NA, stuff like that, Al-Anon. There's Coda, which is a really kind of interesting one.
I don't think I know Coda. Coda is Codependence Anonymous. Oh, okay, yeah.
And I've seen some really good stuff actually come out of there because I think,
more people tend to be codependent than they do addicted.
Right, well, or codependency is wrapped up in their addiction. Yeah, or vice versa.
Yeah. And. Yeah.
So, anyway, began to utilize some of those materials, some of those already pre-existing things,
you.
And realized that, or not that we realized,
but we felt like it was not hitting the mark that we kind of hoped it would.
Can you talk a little bit about how, not talking bad about those programs,
about where it felt like the discontinuity was between what we wanted to be able to offer,
and what was being offered.
Yeah, well, so one of the things is in the recovery landscape, what I've come to find
is that 12 steps really dominate.
And that's not a bad thing, it's just the fact that they've been very, very successful, right?
And have helped a lot of people get sober, make significant life change and improvement in their life. And there's nothing that I found in
the 12 steps that I thought was particularly, in the steps themselves, that I thought was
particularly wrong or unhelpful or anything like it. It's all really good stuff. But a lot of times
what a lot of programs try and do is they take the 12 steps and then they say, okay, well, where are
the 12 steps in the Bible. And so it's kind of, uh, and the thing is, and we talked, we've talked
about the Bible a number of times on the podcast and we, you know, our view on the Bible is that
the Bible isn't really a manual of sorts. It's, it's primarily about revelation of God, of who
God is, who we are in our relationship together. Um, and-
Do you mean the Bible doesn't mean basic instructions before leaving earth, B-I-B-L-E?
No, it doesn't, Cameron. That's not what the Greek means.
Yeah, that is not what that means. And so, it's not an instruction manual, and it wasn't written.
With the intention of putting the 12 steps in there. Or something that kind of bugs me
is, you know, a lot of people who will write in like kind of the Christian
self-help or the Christian counseling world is they'll take a secular
counseling kind of scheme. One, for example, would be kind of like attachment theory. So,
if anyone's listening, you know what attachment theory is. It's got to do with, like,
how secure you feel in the relationships that you make intimately. And they'll go and they'll try
and show how Jesus has a secure relationship style. And I'm like, I don't think the gospel
writers were at all trying to communicate how Jesus had a secure attachment style,
and he wasn't anxious or whatever, that's over-reading. We're putting something onto the
Bible that isn't necessarily there. And so, that all, we were just talking about, there's one thing
that I've been doing for a very long time, and that's been reading and studying the Bible.
And so, when I'm interacting with resources like that, and they maybe have a verse, and they're
like, this verse shows this, or it backs this particular step up. I was like, actually, I don't
think that that's a good application of that Bible verse. What that is kind of like, the common word
for that is kind of proof texting, which is like, what I mean by that is like the smash and grab.
You have something, you have a point that you want to make.
So you go and find a Bible verse that you can kind of cajole into making your point. Right.
We call it eisegesis, taking our meaning and placing it over top of the text.
Rather than allowing meaning to come out of the text and inform the step.
Right. And so not all proof texting is absolutely terrible. Like sometimes you can actually honor
the passage actually means what you're saying it means as you put it next to the thing that
you're talking about. But that's not always the case. Like if you just do a Google search,
or say you just search your Bible, and you look for keywords, right, just because you find a
keyword or an idea does not necessarily mean that that is being uplifted or held up, right?
One of the passages, or one of the portions of the Bible that often gets used, that sometimes
gets used, and any time I see it get used, I'm a little nervous, and that's the book of Job.
Because a lot of people will pull a quote out of Job. Well, Job has like three or four different
people making dialogues, and the thing about Job is that not all the people who are saying things
are necessarily meant to be agreed with. They're kind of putting forth their own logic, and the
Book of Job is kind of arguing with them. And so, if you pull a quote out of Job, and it's like one
of the three friends, and they're like making this long point, you're not necessarily guaranteed to
say that the passage is even meaning for you to agree with that. They might be meaning for you to
disagree with what that person's ultimately saying.
So there was that, but then also we were talking about not wanting to just simply say,
okay, just pray it away. Like, oh, you've got a serious addiction or a relationship problem,
just pray more about it. Because I've not met a Christian with an addiction who hasn't prayed
about it, right? And so we don't want to just be simplistic, we want to actually bring the
helpful things from 12 Steps and from other modes of thought like acceptance and commitment therapy
and things like that, and say what is really wise here, what's really helpful about human nature,
and then bring that alongside a more robust and holistic understanding of the Bible and
its theology, and then have the two kind of come together and kind of work on that. So,
yeah, that was kind of my heart when I started writing stuff for Rooted.
Yeah, and we decided to name it Rooted.
Yeah, we decided to name it that, which you helped me, I was really wrestling with what
to name it. And I cannot, can't remember any of the really bad names that I was
trying to come up with. Unless you do. I don't.
I don't remember either. No, they weren't. They were, I mean, I mean, that's,
that tells you how bad they were. Is that like, you know,
the name we'd landed on was good enough that I forgot all the other potential
names. So, but we were kind of, of, um...
I was reflecting and thinking through how does the Bible match up with this? I was wrestling
with the theology and wanted to not just resort to smattering a whole bunch of passages together,
but I wanted there to be a connection, like a through line. And then that was when I discovered
trees in the Bible. I listened to, listened to, or watched, or I don't exactly remember how I
discovered, but I somehow got into, well, I know the Bible Project, which is a website and-
LRS YouTube page and podcast and all that, yeah.
That you and I have both listened to. We use it in some of our teaching resources and things like
that. And they had a, I don't know, seven-episode run on their podcast. It was a couple years back,
but I somehow stumbled onto it, and they were talking about the theme of trees in the Bible.
And I had never sat and really thought about how many trees are in the Bible and their significance
and some of the theological understanding that kind of comes out of that. And I was like,
trees. I was all about trees. And you were just like-
What are you talking about?
Yeah. Well, yeah, anybody in the office, my wife, pretty much anybody who I could get to
listen to me was just going like, Luke, you have gone off your rocker. You're like,
I'm like, trees, man. Trees are everywhere.
It's all about trees. Yeah, but that's kind of what led to it, it's like, all right, well.
The theme of trees, and there's lots of conversation going on about like why, why would trees be an apt,
illustration or visualization for this type of program,
but it's kind of like its own podcast series there too.
But just in this like sense of rootedness in God's word. Yep, yep, a sense of kind of groundedness.
Groundedness, yeah, a rootedness and connection.
Because there's like, you kind of picture, picture in your mind when you look up the picture,
like you do a Google image search for tree with roots, and you get this kind of cross section of tree, right?
And it's got this, usually trees have a pretty significant tap root.
Yep. right, the main structure that goes deep into the ground and pulls a lot of nutrients, right?
And then you have all of these, what I'll call capillary roots that go out wide.
And it kind of, for me, visualizes or encapsulates like the modality of the whole program
is like the taproot is the gospel, right?
It is like it goes deep into the soil. It's firmly connected to the trunk, right?
But then you have the, and that's where we are the experts in, right?
It's the gospel, that's what we have, right?
Similar to what Peter and John said to the crippled beggar at the beautiful gate.
Yeah, silver and gold I do not have, but that which I do have I give to you
in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Get up and walk. at the gospel, that's what they gave him.
So the gospel's kind of like the taproot of the root structures, but then all of these
little capillary roots are all these, some of them clinically based, some of them socially based,
but corollary, parallel ways in which we can offer,
support, help, resources, encouragement, therapies. So like you mentioned, acceptance commitment therapy,
cognitive behavioral therapy, maybe some attachment therapy in there.
And like we're not therapists, we're not trying to be.
But to borrow concepts from them, the 12 steps, to borrow concepts from them,
to create a fully rooted structure where someone can grow, produce fruit,
in their lives. You know, and be.
Kind of set free from, you know, the bondage that they're in.
Paul Yep. And it calls to my mind literally what we were talking about last night. We had our class on the Psalms here at Conduit and.
We kind of finished the night off by looking at Psalm 1. And the image there is like, you know,
blessed is the man who meditates on the word of the Lord who is delighting in it, who's not
walking the way of sinners, sitting in the seat of scoffers, right? And he is like a tree.
Firmly planted by a stream of living water, bearing fruit in season. Everything he does
prospers. Not so the wicked. They are like chaff. And so, you get this picture of the firmly
planted tree, rooted and thriving, and then...
Want a Bible? Yeah, there's a Bible over here. And then you've got chaff, which, like,
calls to my mind, like, leaves or broken-off bark. Like, it is just the
absolute opposite of what that picture of the Blessed Man is. And if anyone has
dealt with an addiction or generational sin or patterns of behavior or hurt that
they can't get past. Like you want to know what it feels like to be chaffed,
blown around by everything? Like that's what it feels like. Yeah. Right. But in
recovery there's a sense of stability that you gain. Yeah. And you can feel like,
rooted in place, bearing fruit in season, right?
For me, that just encapsulates where I hope people move from and to
and in their connectedness to God and all of that.
Yeah, so created a program and it looks like what most people would consider to be a curriculum
that's to be run in a group setting.
And supplementary resources to that group curriculum,
is this podcast. Yes, yep. Or the Rooted Life Change podcast that you started,
which is a podcast that's about the root of life change.
So, if you're a part of conduit, or you're not a part of conduit,
and you're interested in maybe participating in Rooted.
It's not just for people who are drug addicted, alcohol addicted, no, it's for people who
maybe are dealing with hurts, hangups, and habits, or who's the person that could benefit from it?
Yeah, so like the way I talk about it is, and see if I can remember how I've phrased everything,
You know what, I'm gonna pull it up just so I don't mess it up, but what we're trying to kind of do is like, and it might seem kind of straight, excuse me, strange to kind of think about like, what's kind of kind of going on inside of our, like, why, why would I also want to listen to a podcast that somebody who's.
Addicted to, say, alcohol or pornography. I don't have those problems.
Right.
Right? Those are real problems. Those are real problems. My problem, my shopping problem, or the amount of time
I spend on my phone, those are not problems, right? And the thing is that there's probably
actually a lot more in common than you think. One of the things that people like—
Because we're talking about the roots.
The roots, right. So those are typically the things that are manifesting on the surface, our addictions.
Like things, alcohol or drugs or my phone or shopping or gambling or porn or whatever it is.
Like most of us think, oh, I've just got a porn problem. Oh, I've just got an alcohol problem.
Well, no, like those things are, like if you watch the old classic Looney Tunes.
And, you know, Elmer Fudd gets hit on the head with something, and then this big bump pops out.
Yep.
Right? And he takes that bump, because he doesn't want anyone to see it,
and he pushes it back in.
Yep. Right? And then what do we see happen? Then it goes, boink, off the other side, right?
So that bump coming out the other side of the head is the addiction or is the hang up or whatever,
but it's not, it's the symptom of getting knocked in the head, right?
So these things are, they're indicative of internal problems and we've used these things or we've resorted
to these other things to help soothe, numb the internal.
Things that we feel, that bad thing we want to get rid of, why wouldn't we want to numb
down the bad things that are happening?
Like Brene Brown, one of the things that she says about stuff like that is, I think, really,
really powerful, is that we do not possess the ability to selectively numb.
So if we choose to numb the bad things, we're also choosing to numb the good things, joy,
happiness, fulfillment.
So we can't selectively, as human beings, we can't selectively numb the bad things.
We just numb everything, right? And it's like when you have a tooth pulled and they stick a needle in your gums, it's
not like just that spot.
Because now the whole side of your face feels like it's melting off for the rest of the day.
You know? Yeah, right, and you're drooling everywhere.
So, what's your, how do you communicate who rooted is appropriate for? I say break cycles.
Breaking cycles. Finding healing and making life change. Making life change, yeah.
So that can be, that can be laid over top all kinds of things.
A whole tons of things. And the thing is, if you hang around anybody who's successfully gone through an AA program.
They'll tell you, I showed up thinking I had a drinking problem, found out that I have a living
problem. Yeah. Right. It's like, yeah,
the amount of alcohol they consumed and all of that, like is certainly a problem,
but there was a greater problem underneath. And the thing that sure,
you might not share the same particular weakness or problem that somebody else
who you think has it worse off or I'm not that bad, or I don't need that kind of help.
The thing is is actually what's going on underneath it for both of you is probably a lot more similar than you would think.
Yeah, right. So there's the actual program of the curriculum,
and groups forming here at Conduit soon.
We've already done a group, but it goes in cycles. So new groups be forming soon for that program.
And then this kind of a supplementary source or podcast. The podcast is kind of going to act as like one a place for me to kind of just talk through what,
I've been thinking through and in writing out and act as kind of a bit of a reach,
but also just to try and.
Gather a community, kind of allow people a way to kind of stick their toe in the water a little bit.
Because sometimes it's scary to come to a meeting and show up because like you're going
to show up and there's a whole bunch of people and they're going to talk about their feelings
and emotions and what's going on in their life and that's.
I've been living my life as if there's no problems whatsoever. So if I show up to this meeting, right are people gonna go?
Oh, oh, oh my gosh, right. I know they were having problems. Yes, and so, you know, this provides a little bit of,
entryway You know allows people to kind of have a little bit more,
access to it It's also just also a tool for me personally, you know, I want it to be a conversation
I wanna be thinking through and hope people are able to interact with the content
and we can kind of flesh more of it out as more people interact with it.
Yeah, yeah.
Great, so what we'll do is in the show notes for this episode, we will link
the Rooted Life Change podcast as well.
And go check it out, subscribe. Yep, so if you're listening to this podcast episode,
we'll have two episodes coming out this week.
Yes, yeah. So be looking for those. I think I'm gonna put them out on Tuesday and Wednesday of this week.
Great. While you're listening. And there's, so there's, there's also, you have socials for it, right?
Yeah, I do have a, there's an Instagram account, and it'll also be on YouTube.
So if you're watching us on YouTube, you can still watch it there. So.
Great. Yeah. Yeah, we'll be, it'll be, I'm excited for it, simply because I think it's really helpful content.
I think it, you know, and some of it is born out of my own, like working through and trying to understand my own heart,
understanding like what's my own like proclivities in sin nature and things like that.
You know, so these first couple episodes we'll be talking about,
Kind of like this principle I'm saying of like, what does it mean to live in the light?
Was it mean to kind of step out of denial, right? If you're used to like 12-step language,
you would say like the first step is admitting, right? Admitting that we are powerless to solve
our problems. And this is, you know, talking about that idea of like how do we get stuck in denial
and all of that. Yeah. And how does the light, bringing things out into the light,
right, begin to give us freedom, Allah, first John, you know, in the gospel of John.
Great, great. All right, well make sure you're looking forward to or looking for that, both that podcast
and that YouTube channel, if you guys are interested in that.
I think it's super valuable, valuable resource. I'm so like encouraged and proud of you.
Of you for doing all that and it's not been a short project.
Or we've expended a lot of time and effort there.
So really grateful and proud of you for that and eager to see how it changes,
works to change people's lives in the next few years here at Conduit and beyond.
So make sure you're looking for it.
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