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Duke: All right, Corey, what
are we chatting about today?

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Cory: to, let me tell you,
like, we've got an extra special

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guest with us today on the pod.

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We've got the man, the myth, the
bow tie himself, Chuck Tomasi,

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Duke: D Chuck

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Chuck: Hey, how's it going?

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Cory: Good.

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Duke: Chuck Norris Tomasi.

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Chuck: You say so.

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When you're talking about somebody
special, then I was going to say,

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let me know when he shows up.

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Duke: All right, but we wanted
to do something different about

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it this time because, we love
Chuck because we know Chuck.

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But do we really know Chuck?

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And I think with this episode,
what we wanted to do is introduce

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everybody to the Chuck you never knew.

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Chuck: We said we were never going to
talk about that time I was in jail.

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Duke: which time you were in jail?

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Chuck: Hey, nice to come back.

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That time we shared a bunk.

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Duke: It was really cold outside though.

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Listen,

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Chuck: Drag this show down with me.

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Duke: I'm not trying to
freeze to death here.

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Cory: Oh, we are off to a great start.

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Chuck: Let that set the tone
for where we're going today.

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Duke: And speaking about a start, which
of the nine kids were you in your family?

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Chuck: I'm number six.

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I'm number six.

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So, in order, there were
three girls, then three boys.

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Then a girl, and if you don't
think God has a sense of humor,

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he gave my mom twins at the end.

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So a boy and a girl.

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Duke: Wow,

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Chuck: Suzette, Suzette, Julie, Marilyn,
Richard, Vincent, Chuck, or Charles.

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I'll do the proper names first,
then I'll do the canonicals later.

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The other way around, whatever it is.

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Charles, Martha, Paul, and Audrey.

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Or as we would call them,
Susie, Julie, Mimi, Rico, Vince,

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Chuck, Marty, Paul, and Audrey.

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Duke: Rico.

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Chuck: Rico.

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I have a brother Rico.

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So all my kids have an uncle Rico.

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Duke: is that a common you per name?

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Chuck: No, it's just a
shortened version of Richard.

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He was named after my
maternal grandfather.

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we all have, most of us, I should
say, have a little bit of family

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name in our name somewhere.

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Like, I've got my dad's
middle name as my middle name.

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Duke: What was that like?

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, I'm an only child, so I got zero idea,
but I think most people have like

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one or two brothers and sisters, but.

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Chuck: It was, it was interesting,
, being somewhere in the middle, I could

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take examples from my older brothers
and sisters and either use them to my

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advantage or disadvantage, as I chose.

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So I would see, you know, Marilyn come
home late and get in trouble for that.

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I said, well, I don't want to be
doing that when I get older, so

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don't go out and stay out late.

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Let your parents know when
you're there, if you can help it.

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And then I would.

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Also get terrorized or harassed
because older brothers and sisters

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remember stupid things you do and
continuous remind you of them.

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But yet I had four or three younger
brothers and sisters that I could

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turn around and do that to as well.

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So my younger brother Paul is
three years younger than me.

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My older brother Vince is
three years older than me.

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So Yeah, I was right in that sweet spot.

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I was often a, a mediator,  or an avoider
if I just wanted to put it that way.

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And that was something that, I
didn't realize until later in life

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that I needed to get over that.

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I need you to, get out in front.

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One of the things about being in a family
of nine is There was always like this

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competition at the dinner table to see
who could get in the funniest last remark.

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So we'd always be like, trying to one
up each other, and that still lives on.

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We got together last summer for my dad's
89th birthday, and there were seven

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of us there, and it was the same as
being at a birthday party 30 years ago.

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I mean, it was, it was outrageous.

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I mean, 45, 50 years ago,
now that I think about it.

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it was fun, it was funny, it
was warm, it was emotional.

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And, in a family of nine,  you wanted
to make sure that you were recognized

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or noticed in some way, whether it be
through that humor or hopefully not some

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sort of inappropriate outburst, because
once in a while, as we were loading up

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the station wagon or the van or whatever
vehicle we had at the time to haul this.

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cadre of children around.

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Uh, somebody might be left behind.

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Cory: Oh, home alone.

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Chuck: Well, or, or at the place we went,
we went out to the beach and there was

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a, there was an outlet for a power plant
where the water would come out warmer

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than the surrounding Lake Superior water.

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We grew up in Marquette, Michigan
on the shores of Lake Superior.

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And in summertime, the temperature
was, Oh, a whopping maybe 55 degrees

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, which is, you know, what about.

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12 Celsius for all our
international friends.

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And there was a time when my
sister Marilyn got left at what we

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affectionately called the hot pond

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Cory: Huh,

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Chuck: there.

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We started a phrase and
it had a little jingle.

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And we left the Mimi at the hot pond.

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We left the meeting.

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Well, years later, I've got kids
of my own and they met my sister,

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Marilyn, for the first time.

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And my oldest daughter goes, are you
the Mimi that got left at the hot?

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Duke: And so she took your kids
out and left them at the hot pond.

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Chuck: It's one way to
cut the cost of living.

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Cory: So, uh, there's
a lot there to process,

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Chuck: I'm just going to unload.

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You ask a question, I'm going
to go where it takes me.

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, Cory: so a couple of things I want to
say , your upbringing is, uh, sounds

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remarkably close to mine, right?

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Like the fact that I had an older
brother , who routinely got into trouble.

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And I looked at it's his, exploits and
thought, yeah, I should not do that.

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Right.

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And so I had a whole book full of things
that I wasn't going to do because I

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seen him do those things and I didn't
want to be in that kind of trouble.

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Right.

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But then I also had a younger brother.

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. That, I was hopefully, passing
some of that stuff down too.

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But the problem is, is that, , my older
brother got into so much trouble that

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he set such a good or bad example for
me, however you want to think about it,

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right, that I never got in any trouble.

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So my younger brother, four years
younger than me, never had that

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example of what not to do, so
he gets into all the trouble,

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Chuck: Oh, absolutely.

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And it didn't always, you know, it
wasn't always about their bad examples.

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My older brothers and sisters
set some wonderful examples.

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, my older brother Rico, , we
had a family business.

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Are you ready for another story?

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Cory: you know, absolutely.

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Chuck: My, my, you know, with a
family of nine, you have to find a

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way to keep these kids occupied, start
setting up a college fund and whatnot.

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So my dad was pretty much the
breadwinner in our family.

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He was the director of conferences
and continuing education at

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Northern Michigan university.

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We were a single income
family with nine kids.

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That's, that's unbelievable.

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I won't get into the ways that
my mom would stretch the budget

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today, but He had a dive shop.

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They got interested in scuba
diving in the late sixties.

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There were early pioneers and in the
upper peninsula of Michigan, Lake

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Superior has a beautiful freshwater
shipwrecks dating back to the 1800s.

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Something you don't find very often.

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And, , they said, Hey, let's also
combine our interest with our family.

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So I started work at the age of
10, which I figure I was able for

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retirement about 30 years ago.

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Duke: Bye.

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Silence.

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Silence.

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Chuck: paycheck at the tender
age of 10 and went, why?

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I thought I worked, you
know, four hours this week.

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Why is this check so small?

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You're welcome to taxes.

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Cory: You

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Chuck: Yeah, it was, it was a nice
reality check, but it also taught us

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how to save, the value of a dollar.

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you want new clothes or new shoes or
something, you're welcome to pay for

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it because, or you can wait for the
annual budget to come out and we'll

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figure out what we can afford for you.

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So it's a nice way to teach us
ownership, , respective property, you

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know, all those things about money that
you want your kids to, to learn about.

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But it also taught us that
we were involved in this

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business, started out very.

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Light.

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I mean, 10 years old.

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What can you do?

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Well, you can count boxes.

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I learned inventory control.

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Cory: Oh, nice.

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Silence.

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Duke: Silence.

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Silence.

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Chuck: You can, and as we grew,
we learned more about customer

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service and sales and shipping.

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And it wasn't, a big business.

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You got to remember, we were only open
initially like three nights a week, for a

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couple of hours because we went to school.

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We My dad worked a full time job.

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It, uh, a whole many, many stories
about, the sales reps coming to our

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house and, you know, what, having
these snot nosed 13, 14 year old

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kids go, hey, kid, you know, my, my
dad wasn't selling the equipment.

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He'd go, boys, what do you think
of this new mask from, you know, U.

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S.

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divers or decor or whatever?

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And we'd look at it and
go, we can't sell that.

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It's ugly.

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You know, and

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Duke: Hello.

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Chuck: the rep who drove up from
Chicago seven hours to the upper

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peninsula going, I didn't come up
here to be harassed by these kids, but

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he knew that if we didn't have faith
in the product, we couldn't sell it.

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You know,

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Cory: Right, right.

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Chuck: a lot of great core values
that lasted the rest of our life

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, were formulated in that childhood.

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Cory: man, Chuck, I'm
just thinking here, right?

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Like I can see so much, from that,
um, that story, I can see so much of

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how, like, maybe that stuff shaped
you now, like you talked about

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customer service and , you probably
have one of the best customer service

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personalities of anyone I've ever met.

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Chuck: A part of it goes from the
screwiness of my big family too.

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Cory: yeah, but I'd be
learning it at 10 as well.

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, like it's really hard to, uh, to, to
shake something like that out once you've

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internalized it, so young and for so long.

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Chuck: It wasn't like immediately at
10 years old, I had customer service.

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It had to evolve.

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You know, you have, you learn these skills
over time and coupled with the dive shop.

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We also ran a charter shipwreck
diving in Munising, Michigan,

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about 40 miles to the east of us.

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Cause there were better
shipwrecks over there.

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So we bought a boat.

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We get people from all over the Midwest,
Iowa and Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin.

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They would book weekends with us.

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With group travel and our job was
to take them to the shipwrecks,

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give them an orientation, the
safety talk, all this stuff.

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As I got older, uh, I was expected
to get a charter captain's license.

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Again, my dad worked a full time
job, so he couldn't always be there.

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And every once in a while you
get, you know, Jay Chester from

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Minneapolis going, uh, we'd like to
book the week of the 4th of July.

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Well, 4th of July is on a Wednesday
this week, so dad can't make it.

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He's working.

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But one of his boys can't because they're
certified Coast Guard charter captains.

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So we would take them out.

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You have, in order to take money
for more than six people, you

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have to have a captain's license.

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We got that.

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But you know, being in this,
you got to know the groups.

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Duke: You're, you're actually a
literal ship captain too, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Chuck: have to renew every five years,
and mine expired, like, 25 years ago,

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so, yeah, I, I renewed it, like, once.

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I, I won't get into the whole trials
and tribulations of achieving that regi

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that certification, but the, uh, the,
the groups would come back, and you knew

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Bruce Hoopman from, Addison, Illinois,
and he'd come up three times a year.

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So, you get to know these
people as, as friends.

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Sometimes you'd have them over
for dinner, sometimes they'd ask

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you, you know, Hey, when you're
done, come on over and we'll have a

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cookout at the campgrounds, whatever.

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And we would start messing with them.

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So when you get on the boat, you'd
set up the, put the tank on the

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bench and you bungee it to the bench.

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And then they'd sit down
at the shipwreck site.

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You drive the boat out there, you
get, to the boat, they'd put on

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their, tank and vest and whatnot.

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And us wise acres were
standing on the gunwale.

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Now that's the lip of the, of the
boat, the edge of the boat sort

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of between the back of the bench.

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And the part that drops off into the
water, there's just like this little six,

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eight inch walkway that you can navigate
on generally it was to help people, but

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every once in a while as wisecrackers
would retie the bungee back to the tank.

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So when somebody went to stand up, they'd
get yanked back down to their seat.

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We would call those bench divers.

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Cory: Okay.

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Nice.

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Chuck: Get a laugh.

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Oh, I must have forgotten.

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No, you didn't forget that
17 year old with the grin on

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his face behind you did it.

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Duke: Okay.

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Oh man, it's 12 minutes
in, and we got one of 10?

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11 points?

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Chuck: We might have to
do a part two on this.

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, Duke: Chuck, tell us what a youper is.

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Chuck: Oh, good question.

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Duke: where do we, where do we buy one?

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Cory: dude.

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Go ahead.

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Chuck: It's a state of mind.

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A a er comes from the words, upper
Peninsula, Michigan has two peninsulas.

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The lower peninsula is
shaped like a mitten.

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The upper peninsula is above it and
connected physically to Wisconsin.

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Between there is the Straits of
Mackinac, the Mackinac Bridge.

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You can look it up.

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It separates Lake
Michigan from Lake Huron.

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Okay, so the upper peninsula
is often abbreviated as up.

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Well, when you say you P
enough, it becomes a you per.

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So a person who lives in the upper
peninsula of Michigan is a you per and the

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person who lives in the lower peninsula
because they are below the bridge.

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We called them trolls.

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They didn't like that.

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Cory: You What You

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Duke: And how would, a uber know when
he's in the presence of another uber?

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Chuck: Oh, usually by The heritage
of a lot of the people that settled

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in the upper peninsula is Finnish.

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So you'll often hear them talking
like, Eno and Toivo was out on a

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boat, and Eno jumps over and paints
a big X on the bottom of the boat.

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He comes up and Toivo says, Eno!

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What you doing there?

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He goes, Oh, I wanted to mark our spot
so we knew where to come back to fish.

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I have, I have, I

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Duke: It reminds me a lot
of like Newfoundlanders

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Chuck: Yeah.

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I mean, you can substitute Eno
and Toivo for not any nationality.

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You go over to Minnesota, it's,
uh, Sven and Oli, you know, it's

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same kind of jokes, only they're
Norwegian instead of Finnish.

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My, my stepfather in law
sounded just like that.

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I mean, it was, I could imitate Ben.

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His last name was Makala.

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If that's not a Finnish
name, I don't know what is.

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Cory: Chuck, , let me ask this question.

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, we're, we're 15 minutes into this
and neither, neither Rob and I have

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stopped laughing this entire time.

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How the hell did you get so funny?

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Chuck: It's the Chuck you never knew.

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Duke: Okay, so...

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Chuck: A lot of it was
just the upbringing.

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We were raised in a very
positive environment.

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Yes, we had rules, we had guidelines,
it wasn't just a free for all.

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But, , it was a very loving environment.

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Having nine kids, you were
never want for company.

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we lived in an older section
of town needed a big house.

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We had a big Victorian home
that was built in 1882.

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My dad was constantly fixing it up.

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That was like his winter project.

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Hey, let's go do this bathroom
or we got into the kitchen.

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And, uh, you could find Areas of
privacy if you wanted that, but

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oftentimes we didn't have friends
in the neighborhood too much.

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There was, there was like Jane
Saban who was kind of next door.

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, but there weren't many kids our age.

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So if you wanted to have a quick
basketball game in the backyard,

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Hey, Paul, you want to go play Vince?

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What are you doing?

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Yeah.

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Until they got older and
got girlfriends and whatnot.

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That was, that was terrifying to me.

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Duke: Silence.

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Cory: so just by virtue of, of coming
from a big family and, and having

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to, , I guess compete, you,  you had to
kind of mark a place out for yourself.

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That's all.

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Oh.

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Chuck: Yeah.

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It really was.

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In fact, we have a text chain Right
now that most of the brothers and

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sisters are on and it can get nuts
sometimes, especially if I'm trying

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to work and they're just like doing
that one upmanship on the comment.

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It's like, hey, here's
a picture of my dog.

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Your dog looks like he's
on, rage drugs or something.

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It's like, okay, and then it gets funnier
and funnier and like, ding, ding, ding.

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I'm like trying to work.

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Put on the do not disturb for
an hour and hope it goes away.

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Duke: has anybody asked you on
a podcast about the bow tie?

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Chuck: A few, a few, but we'll give you
the, canonical answer from the source.

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it started as an act of rebellion.

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Actually, it was knowledge 13, and,
we were told the dress code is going

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to be black shirts, black pants,
black socks, black, black underwear

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if you want, uh, and I said, we're
going to either look like a funeral

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dirge or a Johnny Cash convention.

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I'm not sure how you.

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The idea was if you spotted somebody
dressed all in black, that's an employee,

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you know, not that lanyards made any
difference, but, I said, I've got

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to, you know, my childhood kicked in.

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How do I stand out?

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How do I mark myself as
being unique without?

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really going overboard.

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And my first thought was, I know
I'll wear a black kilt and the

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spore in will be the old power logo.

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Um, I don't look good in a kilt.

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I don't have the knees
for it or something.

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Cory: Okay.

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Chuck: And honestly, I didn't want
to try teaching the pre con training

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in a kilt and all that stuff.

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So about 2 AM on a cold Wisconsin morning,
cause we lived in Wisconsin from 88 to

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2014 and, uh, I wake up at 2 AM middle
of February and I go, I've got it.

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I'm gonna make a bowtie.

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I have no idea how I'm going to make
a bowtie, but I'm gonna make a bowtie.

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So it was one of those adventure
games where you got to kill the

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dragon before you kill the dragon.

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You got a magic spear.

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You got a magic spear.

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You got to get a ring and get the ring.

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You gotta unlock the door.

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You know, it's one of these
reverse engineering things.

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How do I get to bowtie?

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And I found a place that made
bow ties, and she said, I can

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sew them if you get the fabric.

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So I got, who spells the fabric?

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Oh, you can go to spoonflower.

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com.

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So I went to Spoonflower.

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You can have the fabric if
you can upload the image.

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I'm not a graphic designer.

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Who do I know that's a graphic designer?

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Craig, my buddy Craig.

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He, he's good at graphics.

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So, you know, kind of worked my
way backwards and sent this off.

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Meanwhile, I'm trying to do my
regular day job through all this fun.

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and February becomes
March, March becomes April.

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And, I ordered the pattern on the
fabric, sent the fabric off to

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the lady who sews them in Maine.

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She sends them back, like,
three weeks before knowledge.

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Wrong color fabric.

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It was pink, and those
power icons were too small.

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They looked like dots.

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I went, oh, clearly this
isn't going to work.

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And she apologized.

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And said, I'll send the next ones for
free, if you can get me the new fabric.

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So, I went back and I said, send
me a swatch, cause Spoonflower

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has this wait, with RGB codes on,
and like, I need fire engine red.

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Well, it turned out to be more tomato
soup red, but it was redder than pink!

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Meanwhile, I'm on a business
trip to Singapore trying to

00:19:26.681 --> 00:19:28.711
orchestrate this from afar.

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I think they came in maybe a day or
two before we went to Knowledge 13

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and I wore it there and it worked.

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I mean, it was like, okay, I'm
wearing my black shirt, but I also

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have a red bow tie that popped.

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And it was, it was close
enough to being on brand.

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Nobody said anything.

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We didn't have brand police back then.

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Cory: Silence.

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Chuck: Did I just say something
that shouldn't happen?

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You guys are laughing like
you've encountered this before.

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Well...

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Cory: Yeah.

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Chuck: In 2013, if you watch some of
the first TechNow videos, like those

00:20:04.361 --> 00:20:06.181
early Jelly videos, there's no bowtie.

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So that didn't come along until
after I got the bowtie at Knowledge,

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and then it became a thing.

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I knew it was going to be a serious
thing when I got to Knowledge 14

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and 15, and I'd be checking in for
the hotel at Knowledge, and somebody

00:20:21.441 --> 00:20:22.531
says, Chuck, where's your bowtie?

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I just got out of the car, man.

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Give me a break.

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It's in my suit.

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So now I like have to put it on on the
way to the hotel and make sure I don't

00:20:31.596 --> 00:20:33.276
forget it And i've got it all the time.

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So it it became its own entity and a very
identifiable brand and like most of my

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career was just a pure accident And I
feel very blessed yet confused Or maybe

00:20:45.137 --> 00:20:46.887
Cory: Accidents are the
best thing though, right?

00:20:46.887 --> 00:20:50.827
Like, I mean, there's so much of my career
that's an accident, so I totally get it.

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How you just kind of look
up into something and it's

00:20:52.897 --> 00:20:54.227
like, wow, this is amazing.

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And you just keep it right.

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You just keep going with it.

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Chuck: should write a book or something
there's got to be some outcome of this

00:20:59.747 --> 00:21:00.417
Cory: Yeah, right.

00:21:01.727 --> 00:21:02.337
That's awesome.

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It's ironically, uh, , knowledge, 13,
which is in 2013 was my first knowledge.

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So.

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I'm going to, I'm going to put
myself in the story here and say

00:21:10.567 --> 00:21:13.287
that when you discovered the bow
tie, I discovered service now

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Chuck: awesome Do you remember
did you take any pre con training?

00:21:16.837 --> 00:21:21.697
Cory: I did, I did, I cannot
remember orchestration maybe.

00:21:21.792 --> 00:21:22.202
Chuck: okay.

00:21:22.322 --> 00:21:22.672
Okay.

00:21:23.292 --> 00:21:24.492
Rob, what did you do in 2013?

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Duke: 2013 was my third knowledge,
but probably my, real favorite.

00:21:28.952 --> 00:21:32.092
And knowledge 11, I was like, Oh
my God, clients actually speak

00:21:32.092 --> 00:21:33.482
at events and teach classes.

00:21:33.482 --> 00:21:36.972
And maybe if I work really hard
someday, someday, maybe I'll be able

00:21:36.972 --> 00:21:39.442
to speak at an event and knowledge 12.

00:21:39.472 --> 00:21:42.372
I got a speaking engagement, but it
was like, right after some huge party.

00:21:43.782 --> 00:21:44.262
Uh,

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Chuck: Yeah, no, yeah, they'd have the

00:21:45.852 --> 00:21:46.322
Duke: like 5

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Chuck: on Wednesday night.

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Duke: rate me 5 out of 5, I'll keep the
lights down low and I'll talk real soft.

00:21:51.602 --> 00:21:52.792
Chuck: That used to drive me nuts.

00:21:52.802 --> 00:21:56.152
The party was like Wednesday night,
and you've got the speaking session.

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8 a.

00:21:56.582 --> 00:21:56.772
m.

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Thursday.

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Going, oh, you've got to be kidding

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Duke: I'm not feeling this either.

00:22:00.602 --> 00:22:01.782
Cory: Ha Ha Ha

00:22:02.107 --> 00:22:05.787
Duke: Um, but knowledge 13 was, I was
just like taking another shot at it.

00:22:05.807 --> 00:22:07.737
And I'm like, Oh, I hope
people like my idea.

00:22:07.737 --> 00:22:08.257
I don't know.

00:22:08.257 --> 00:22:14.137
And I was feeling all weird and, my
belt broke and my, my pants were loose.

00:22:15.102 --> 00:22:15.292
Cory: Ha

00:22:15.797 --> 00:22:16.847
Duke: I'm like, it's okay.

00:22:16.877 --> 00:22:19.387
Not a whole bunch of people could show
up and I walk in the door and it's like,

00:22:19.397 --> 00:22:20.997
people were standing, it was so packed

00:22:21.472 --> 00:22:22.702
Chuck: The things you remember.

00:22:23.342 --> 00:22:24.372
Duke: Oh my goodness.

00:22:24.372 --> 00:22:26.192
I'm like half the session.

00:22:26.192 --> 00:22:28.172
I got my hand like behind
my back, trying to look all

00:22:28.172 --> 00:22:29.622
casual, holding my pants up and

00:22:30.112 --> 00:22:30.302
Chuck: It's

00:22:30.602 --> 00:22:31.432
Cory: Ha Ha Ha

00:22:32.012 --> 00:22:32.182
Chuck: like,

00:22:32.282 --> 00:22:32.512
Cory: Ha

00:22:33.762 --> 00:22:38.392
Chuck: it's like one of
those Up in the front,

00:22:39.262 --> 00:22:42.302
Duke: nothing gets you less worried
about what you're going to say than

00:22:42.302 --> 00:22:43.812
worry about your pants falling down.

00:22:45.102 --> 00:22:46.812
Chuck: that's a nightmare scenario, man.

00:22:46.812 --> 00:22:48.012
That's nightmare fuel.

00:22:48.182 --> 00:22:50.442
Duke: Hey, speaking about
stuff that keeps your pants up.

00:22:50.472 --> 00:22:55.952
I bet you that not a lot of people
know that you have a black belt.

00:22:56.742 --> 00:22:57.612
Chuck: I did.

00:22:57.622 --> 00:22:59.292
That was a very interesting segue.

00:22:59.292 --> 00:22:59.712
If I must,

00:23:00.742 --> 00:23:02.052
Cory: Ha That was pretty good

00:23:02.217 --> 00:23:03.757
Duke: I planned that from
the beginning, I swear.

00:23:07.432 --> 00:23:10.812
Chuck: yes, I did sport
karate in Appleton.

00:23:10.922 --> 00:23:15.159
My daughter, when she was like in fifth
grade or sixth grade, we were at one

00:23:15.159 --> 00:23:18.879
of these winter carnival things and the
karate school showed up and said, Hey,

00:23:18.879 --> 00:23:24.219
congratulations, Lisa, you won a free
month of karate lessons, and I had.

00:23:24.464 --> 00:23:28.284
Been by their school a number of
times they were in a mall at the time.

00:23:28.284 --> 00:23:31.254
And I'd walked by and I would see
these little kids going, Hey, yeah.

00:23:31.594 --> 00:23:31.974
I, yeah.

00:23:31.974 --> 00:23:33.544
I go, what is the attraction to this?

00:23:33.554 --> 00:23:35.294
Why do, and it's full, it's full.

00:23:35.644 --> 00:23:38.234
I'm like, wow, what do they, they
must be doing something, right?

00:23:38.674 --> 00:23:39.994
Well, my daughter got in there.

00:23:40.401 --> 00:23:43.861
, and that's when I understood I was, I
was observing, you know, parents got

00:23:43.861 --> 00:23:47.301
to sit on the bench while the kids
do the karate, they would dedicate

00:23:47.301 --> 00:23:49.591
part of the class to a floor chat.

00:23:49.601 --> 00:23:50.961
They say, okay, everybody gather around.

00:23:50.961 --> 00:23:51.921
This is January.

00:23:51.921 --> 00:23:53.611
It's the month of attitude of gratitude.

00:23:53.821 --> 00:23:56.391
We're going to learn about how to
be more appreciative of things.

00:23:56.531 --> 00:23:57.851
And it was that kind of stuff.

00:23:57.874 --> 00:24:00.784
the attitude, the
confidence, the discipline.

00:24:01.159 --> 00:24:04.899
That they got out of that, that
really resonated with her and with

00:24:04.919 --> 00:24:08.179
me as the value prop for that class.

00:24:08.349 --> 00:24:13.489
And of course, after about four months,
I went, you know, I'm closing in on 40.

00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:14.739
I better, uh, get.

00:24:14.974 --> 00:24:17.854
Doing something because the metabolism
is only going to carry me so far.

00:24:18.474 --> 00:24:22.324
So I joined, and it was a great father
daughter thing to do, especially since

00:24:22.324 --> 00:24:24.034
she outranked me most of the way.

00:24:24.434 --> 00:24:26.164
She got her, her black belt.

00:24:26.174 --> 00:24:29.644
It took three years of the
program to, to get the black belt.

00:24:29.654 --> 00:24:32.614
She got hers in early 2009.

00:24:32.624 --> 00:24:34.284
I got mine later in 2009.

00:24:34.294 --> 00:24:38.081
And then we both decided to go on
for, our second degree black belt.

00:24:38.231 --> 00:24:40.391
And they only do these
tests once every six months.

00:24:40.711 --> 00:24:41.511
For the black belt.

00:24:41.901 --> 00:24:45.391
Well, she had an injury or
something to get second degree.

00:24:45.421 --> 00:24:46.561
It only takes two more years.

00:24:47.091 --> 00:24:51.341
And so that meant we synced up to get
our secondary black belts together.

00:24:51.341 --> 00:24:54.071
So we have a very wonderful
picture with that in 2011.

00:24:54.481 --> 00:24:55.711
She stopped at that point.

00:24:55.731 --> 00:24:59.521
I continued on for three more years
to get my third degree, which was

00:24:59.531 --> 00:25:04.221
about the time we were going to be
moving from Wisconsin to Arizona.

00:25:04.911 --> 00:25:07.821
And with third degree, I always wanted
to get to my third degree because the

00:25:07.821 --> 00:25:10.431
thing I remember about seeing other
people get to their third degree

00:25:10.431 --> 00:25:12.811
was you could make up your own test.

00:25:13.271 --> 00:25:17.461
Well, that sounds all great on the
surface until you have to write

00:25:17.461 --> 00:25:20.351
it up and give it to the master
instructor and go, how's this?

00:25:21.421 --> 00:25:24.781
You don't want to play yourself short, but
you don't want to leave yourself laying

00:25:24.781 --> 00:25:26.751
on the tarmac halfway through the test.

00:25:27.161 --> 00:25:30.637
So, I, Really wanted
to do the weapons test.

00:25:30.657 --> 00:25:33.607
Yeah There were were
part of the karate thing.

00:25:33.607 --> 00:25:34.347
They had size.

00:25:34.347 --> 00:25:35.417
They had both staffs.

00:25:35.427 --> 00:25:39.677
They had nunchucks They had and my
weapon of choice was the bow staff

00:25:40.207 --> 00:25:44.637
It had been since I got one when
I first got to be Was it a black

00:25:44.637 --> 00:25:45.827
belt or green belt or something?

00:25:45.827 --> 00:25:51.517
I forgot So I had been working on
this and I made a custom Form around

00:25:51.517 --> 00:25:54.927
the bow staff with the help of a
third or fourth degree black belt

00:25:54.927 --> 00:25:56.872
as well I said Logan, come here.

00:25:56.932 --> 00:25:58.052
I mean, uh, Mr.

00:25:58.062 --> 00:26:00.942
Everett or whatever you have
to refer to people as Mr.

00:26:00.942 --> 00:26:01.952
This and Mrs.

00:26:01.952 --> 00:26:06.169
That, but, he helped me create this
and then I perfected it for the test.

00:26:06.619 --> 00:26:09.889
Uh, but it was, it was a slog
fest because the first thing

00:26:09.889 --> 00:26:11.729
you have to do is run two miles.

00:26:11.869 --> 00:26:13.749
And I'm not a runner.

00:26:13.749 --> 00:26:16.669
So I had to build up that endurance
for about three months before the test.

00:26:17.289 --> 00:26:22.279
And unfortunately, when I ran on
the track across the street from the

00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:23.629
school, they eventually built their own.

00:26:23.716 --> 00:26:27.822
school a very nice school and A couple
that with jujitsu, gracie jujitsu.

00:26:27.822 --> 00:26:33.292
So i've got a blue belt in jujitsu as well
Yeah, how I got anything done because i'm

00:26:33.292 --> 00:26:36.886
looking at my business travel calendar
going when did I actually do karate?

00:26:36.916 --> 00:26:39.986
But somehow I got it done because you
had to go a minimum number of times

00:26:40.246 --> 00:26:42.216
to get progressed to your next rank

00:26:42.766 --> 00:26:45.646
Cory: Dude, you're making me feel
like a loaf over here, I swear.

00:26:45.686 --> 00:26:46.396
Duke: Seriously

00:26:47.606 --> 00:26:48.396
Chuck: I look back at it.

00:26:48.686 --> 00:26:51.806
I I couldn't do that today I don't know
how I would do that but you you know, you

00:26:51.806 --> 00:26:57.186
make time for the priorities in your life
So I ran my 20 miles, but I ran it in like

00:26:57.766 --> 00:26:59.526
two minutes faster than I should have.

00:26:59.526 --> 00:27:03.916
So I spent all my gas on the track and
now you still got to go back and do

00:27:03.966 --> 00:27:08.596
90 minutes worth of intense workout
ending with sparring with all the

00:27:08.596 --> 00:27:11.906
master instructors going, Oh, I'm
going to get kicked in the face again.

00:27:12.066 --> 00:27:13.346
I can't keep my hands up.

00:27:13.676 --> 00:27:17.962
I mean,  you earn that black belt,
but you also become a black belt.

00:27:18.292 --> 00:27:21.949
So it's something that, I repainted
the room so it's not hanging proudly on

00:27:21.949 --> 00:27:26.419
the wall anymore, but every color belt
right up first, second and third degree.

00:27:26.649 --> 00:27:29.529
I think I even got a key chain
that was embroidered with the date

00:27:29.529 --> 00:27:30.929
and the three stripes on the belt.

00:27:30.929 --> 00:27:32.669
So, yeah, very happy to do that.

00:27:32.679 --> 00:27:40.069
And since 2014, I've done little
to nothing except morning walks.

00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.992
Duke: Take

00:27:45.539 --> 00:27:49.829
Cory: and two sounds like the beginning
of an action flick where, you know,

00:27:49.829 --> 00:27:54.389
you're this, , service now guy, you
know, developer nine to five, you're

00:27:54.389 --> 00:27:58.629
walking down the road and then all
of a sudden, something ninjas jump

00:27:58.629 --> 00:28:02.979
out and you haven't done karate
in 10 years or something clicks.

00:28:03.199 --> 00:28:04.629
Chuck: It will, it will.

00:28:04.669 --> 00:28:05.809
No, you're absolutely right.

00:28:05.809 --> 00:28:10.869
In fact, their situational
awareness is very important.

00:28:10.889 --> 00:28:15.679
And do you know, I mean, I think it was
Mike Tyson said the fight plan is only as

00:28:15.679 --> 00:28:17.269
good until the first punch gets thrown.

00:28:17.539 --> 00:28:22.989
but to come up with an idea, a
plan to know who is where, and is

00:28:22.989 --> 00:28:24.749
this a fight or a flight thing?

00:28:25.824 --> 00:28:31.394
Not that I'm always in paranoid mode, but
my morning walk yesterday, uh, I'm walking

00:28:31.394 --> 00:28:33.924
along the sidewalk and this car pulls up.

00:28:34.004 --> 00:28:40.104
I mean, this beat up old POS car pulls
up really fast and stops right behind me.

00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:42.979
And I'm thinking, am I going to get shot?

00:28:43.099 --> 00:28:44.999
Am I going to get run over?

00:28:44.999 --> 00:28:45.989
What's going on here?

00:28:45.999 --> 00:28:49.309
You know, so that, that, that instinct
kicks in where the training kicks

00:28:49.309 --> 00:28:51.309
in and going, what's my next move?

00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:52.439
I kept walking.

00:28:52.659 --> 00:28:56.659
Turns out he's just doing a
60, 630 AM delivery for Amazon.

00:28:57.309 --> 00:28:58.149
Cory: Oh

00:28:58.469 --> 00:29:02.309
Chuck: So he's driving like a lunatic,
stopping real fast, runs up to

00:29:02.309 --> 00:29:05.049
somebody's house, drops off a package,
gets back in his car and takes off.

00:29:05.709 --> 00:29:06.109
Okay.

00:29:06.109 --> 00:29:08.059
Well, good to be prepared.

00:29:08.659 --> 00:29:10.569
Duke: Yeah, I'm on team
paranoia on that one, man.

00:29:10.579 --> 00:29:11.529
You can't be too careful.

00:29:11.789 --> 00:29:13.889
Cory: Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm from the hood.

00:29:13.919 --> 00:29:17.669
Like I, that, that guy, I don't
know, might not have made it out

00:29:17.849 --> 00:29:20.289
Chuck: I didn't want to attack
the Amazon driver, okay?

00:29:23.544 --> 00:29:24.034
Duke: Uh

00:29:24.159 --> 00:29:24.819
Cory: You never know.

00:29:24.899 --> 00:29:27.849
I mean, save the environment,
attack the Amazon, uh, attack

00:29:27.854 --> 00:29:29.139
the Amazon driver that works.

00:29:29.309 --> 00:29:31.439
Chuck: Technically, you know, you gotta
be careful with that stuff though,

00:29:31.439 --> 00:29:35.219
because if you are trained in martial
arts, and you, you know, you get a

00:29:35.219 --> 00:29:39.279
lawsuit slapped on you pretty easily
for dam for, what is it, assault?

00:29:39.469 --> 00:29:40.349
It's,

00:29:40.829 --> 00:29:44.246
Cory: Oh, yeah, because you're like a
deadly weapon now or something, right?

00:29:44.441 --> 00:29:44.701
Chuck: Right.

00:29:44.711 --> 00:29:46.701
If it comes up in court,
Hey, he broke my arm.

00:29:46.721 --> 00:29:49.121
And Oh, by the way, he's
got martial arts training.

00:29:49.211 --> 00:29:50.351
That doesn't look good.

00:29:50.741 --> 00:29:52.331
You got to have a really good defense go.

00:29:52.351 --> 00:29:54.411
Well, first of all,
you pulled a gun on me.

00:29:54.451 --> 00:29:55.171
I disarmed.

00:29:55.171 --> 00:29:59.101
You took you to the ground, put you in
an arm lock and you wouldn't submit.

00:30:00.946 --> 00:30:02.636
Duke: Oh, I'm trying not to get political.

00:30:08.506 --> 00:30:08.716
I just

00:30:09.996 --> 00:30:10.346
Cory: chuck

00:30:12.091 --> 00:30:13.151
Chuck: You don't want to go from here.

00:30:13.596 --> 00:30:14.926
Duke: pressed my own cancel button.

00:30:18.826 --> 00:30:22.746
Cory: So what I'd like to know, I mean,
so this is a one is a whole lot of stuff.

00:30:22.746 --> 00:30:23.496
I didn't know about you.

00:30:23.496 --> 00:30:26.376
You're incredibly interesting and
interesting background, right?

00:30:26.376 --> 00:30:29.646
Like you were incredibly interesting
before I knew all of this stuff about you.

00:30:29.646 --> 00:30:30.516
Tell me how.

00:30:30.736 --> 00:30:33.056
how all of this stuff
from your past, right?

00:30:33.056 --> 00:30:35.326
for instance, the fact that
you're just incredibly funny, how

00:30:35.326 --> 00:30:39.386
does that impact how you do your
job and relate to people today?

00:30:39.851 --> 00:30:40.521
Chuck: Oh my gosh.

00:30:40.531 --> 00:30:43.121
I, I, I think this is the culmination.

00:30:43.201 --> 00:30:43.971
I'll be honest.

00:30:43.971 --> 00:30:46.101
I'm playing the back nine
on this career golf course.

00:30:46.242 --> 00:30:50.092
hoping to get to the 19th hole
soon, and, uh, golfers will know

00:30:50.092 --> 00:30:51.562
that's a reference for the bar

00:30:52.062 --> 00:30:52.852
Cory: Ah, nice.

00:30:52.852 --> 00:30:52.882
Chuck: hole.

00:30:53.092 --> 00:30:54.582
Okay, so, the,

00:30:54.622 --> 00:30:57.212
Cory: don't think we're going to allow you
to retire though, Chuck, just so you know.

00:30:58.752 --> 00:31:01.432
Chuck: It may be a month, it
may be 10 years, I don't know.

00:31:01.642 --> 00:31:05.022
There's no date on the calendar
right now, but it's coming,

00:31:05.022 --> 00:31:06.002
and I know it's been coming.

00:31:06.002 --> 00:31:08.902
In fact, if somebody asked me how long
you've been planning on retirement, since

00:31:08.902 --> 00:31:10.432
I was 10 years old and started working.

00:31:15.022 --> 00:31:18.592
It's not that it sucks, I wanted
to know what happens after

00:31:18.652 --> 00:31:20.662
this, when you're done working.

00:31:20.912 --> 00:31:23.332
And I have never counted on
Social Security being there,

00:31:23.332 --> 00:31:26.022
and every day it looks like it's
going to be less and less likely.

00:31:26.322 --> 00:31:27.842
So, I've been saving.

00:31:28.067 --> 00:31:32.907
with the 401k and saving in stocks and
saving in the bank, you know, being

00:31:32.907 --> 00:31:34.937
prepared for whatever the future holds.

00:31:35.237 --> 00:31:36.927
But anyway, what was the question?

00:31:36.957 --> 00:31:42.717
Oh, it's easy in retrospect to look back
and say, oh, that contributed to this.

00:31:43.922 --> 00:31:46.712
But right now it's like
everything has come together.

00:31:46.732 --> 00:31:51.652
My technical background, I got
interested in tech in the early 80s.

00:31:51.912 --> 00:31:55.592
I was that kid that would stay after
school to play with the computers because

00:31:55.592 --> 00:31:59.342
there were only like two in the whole high
school of hundreds or thousands of people.

00:31:59.662 --> 00:32:02.992
So I, I had to get my time
and I'd crack the book open.

00:32:02.992 --> 00:32:06.472
And then I'd walk two miles in the
snow, uphill, both ways, sob, sob story.

00:32:07.522 --> 00:32:07.872
It was,

00:32:07.912 --> 00:32:09.352
Cory: No shoes, et cetera, et

00:32:09.537 --> 00:32:12.127
Chuck: Yeah, well, we'll
talk about the boots later.

00:32:12.227 --> 00:32:12.757
It was the U.

00:32:12.757 --> 00:32:13.017
P.

00:32:13.317 --> 00:32:13.647
The, uh.

00:32:15.439 --> 00:32:19.892
it was, it was the technical plus,
the social  part of building that

00:32:19.892 --> 00:32:23.926
community came out of, uh, when I
was in college, my buddy and I got

00:32:23.926 --> 00:32:27.556
involved with and then later created
a dial up bulletin board service.

00:32:27.666 --> 00:32:29.866
This is, this is like pre internet days.

00:32:30.146 --> 00:32:30.776
Cory: Yeah.

00:32:30.916 --> 00:32:31.476
Old school.

00:32:31.486 --> 00:32:31.496
Ooh.

00:32:31.761 --> 00:32:34.411
Chuck: We're, we're managing this
community and growing it granted.

00:32:34.411 --> 00:32:37.571
It was a local community or whatever
the local dialing area was going to be.

00:32:37.694 --> 00:32:42.224
and, and that got me involved with,
support and more customer service

00:32:42.264 --> 00:32:46.314
and community and writing style,
whether it's formal or informal.

00:32:46.314 --> 00:32:51.194
So a lot of skills along the way, coupled
together to bring me to where I am.

00:32:51.194 --> 00:32:53.924
Now, my previous company, I
was there for 22 years was up.

00:32:55.009 --> 00:33:01.159
A fountain of more technical skills,
learning ports and protocols, networking,

00:33:01.299 --> 00:33:02.679
you know, more of the technical stuff.

00:33:02.689 --> 00:33:05.399
I worked among electrical
engineers and printed circuit board

00:33:05.399 --> 00:33:06.849
engineers and mechanical engineers.

00:33:07.269 --> 00:33:12.286
And they were great for, obviously the
camaraderie, but also the knowledge.

00:33:12.596 --> 00:33:15.386
Do you know how a mechanical mouse works?

00:33:15.676 --> 00:33:17.916
It's called quadrature waveform output.

00:33:18.256 --> 00:33:19.416
Thank you, Fred Schleifer.

00:33:19.776 --> 00:33:20.915
And, uh, Thank you.

00:33:22.086 --> 00:33:22.106
Cory: So

00:33:22.806 --> 00:33:22.856
Duke: Okay.

00:33:23.486 --> 00:33:25.486
Chuck: Yeah, that was
at least 30 years ago.

00:33:25.486 --> 00:33:25.836
I don't know.

00:33:25.946 --> 00:33:27.516
Duke: knowledge quota
for the day on that one.

00:33:28.456 --> 00:33:28.486
Cory: Okay

00:33:29.726 --> 00:33:32.926
Chuck: And I looked, I had that blank deer
in the headlights look to like, you want

00:33:32.926 --> 00:33:34.686
to say that again and try explaining it.

00:33:35.026 --> 00:33:38.089
And then he drew the the little
chart of when this signal goes

00:33:38.089 --> 00:33:39.189
high and this one goes low.

00:33:39.189 --> 00:33:42.959
And I was like, cause my question
was Fred, you're moving your

00:33:42.959 --> 00:33:45.436
mouse forward up the screen.

00:33:45.666 --> 00:33:46.446
And you stop.

00:33:46.901 --> 00:33:50.601
How does the mouse know when
you go backwards or forwards

00:33:50.611 --> 00:33:51.951
from that starting point?

00:33:52.424 --> 00:33:53.486
Cory: a part

00:33:53.836 --> 00:33:56.066
Chuck: There's four states,
not just two on and off.

00:33:56.146 --> 00:33:57.456
That's, that's what it boiled down to.

00:33:57.906 --> 00:34:01.026
, so anyway, getting to the career
today, this is a lot of fun because

00:34:01.026 --> 00:34:04.219
I get to, take the creativity,
the humor in fact, we were talking

00:34:04.229 --> 00:34:07.439
about, oh, we want to come out with
a community newsletter on LinkedIn.

00:34:07.909 --> 00:34:09.149
What do we want to call this thing?

00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.769
Oh, the creative juices and the
humor juices were flowing big time.

00:34:13.869 --> 00:34:17.409
You, I'm in marketing, so you
can't throw out bad ideas.

00:34:17.419 --> 00:34:20.539
You just keep throwing out ideas
and we'll figure out later what's.

00:34:21.029 --> 00:34:22.299
What's not working or not.

00:34:22.309 --> 00:34:26.802
So it really is fun to take the,
creative aspects, the technical

00:34:26.802 --> 00:34:28.362
aspects, blend them together.

00:34:28.762 --> 00:34:33.262
And with a platform like
ServiceNow, you, you can't not be

00:34:33.262 --> 00:34:35.482
passionate and excited about it.

00:34:35.492 --> 00:34:36.842
So it's something awesome.

00:34:36.852 --> 00:34:40.922
I really feel blessed to be
where I am at this point.

00:34:41.497 --> 00:34:42.327
Cory: Yeah, that, that,

00:34:43.157 --> 00:34:43.937
Duke: sorry, go ahead, Corey.

00:34:44.117 --> 00:34:44.687
Cory: No, go ahead.

00:34:44.697 --> 00:34:44.727
Okay.

00:34:44.952 --> 00:34:45.312
Chuck: Dumped them both.

00:34:45.727 --> 00:34:49.407
Duke: Uh, no, I was, uh, well I
was gonna, like, on the topic of

00:34:49.407 --> 00:34:53.647
blessings and kind of also close to
the topic of fighting, , somebody told

00:34:53.647 --> 00:34:55.197
me that you are a cancer survivor.

00:34:56.617 --> 00:34:59.117
Chuck: I am, . I got a new
doctor shortly after we moved to

00:34:59.117 --> 00:35:00.647
Phoenix, the guy from our church.

00:35:00.647 --> 00:35:01.747
He's no longer my doctor.

00:35:01.747 --> 00:35:02.577
His plans change.

00:35:02.577 --> 00:35:03.297
Blah, blah, blah.

00:35:03.627 --> 00:35:05.567
But, saw me at my first appointment.

00:35:05.577 --> 00:35:11.057
Wonderful guy, top to bottom
examination, literally, a great job.

00:35:12.081 --> 00:35:13.301
He, he, you know, check me out.

00:35:13.301 --> 00:35:17.621
He did the old man exam and said,
Oh, yeah, your prostate's a little

00:35:17.621 --> 00:35:19.301
enlarged, but we'll keep an eye on it.

00:35:19.681 --> 00:35:22.851
Uh, that was, I think,
20, late 2016 went back.

00:35:22.871 --> 00:35:24.721
Duke: what, how are they gonna
keep an eye on your prostate?

00:35:24.721 --> 00:35:25.621
I just, tell me.

00:35:25.731 --> 00:35:28.491
Chuck: They, I'm not going to go there.

00:35:28.841 --> 00:35:29.671
Wait, I just did.

00:35:31.411 --> 00:35:33.014
Duke: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

00:35:33.221 --> 00:35:35.091
Chuck: 2017, he checks me again.

00:35:35.091 --> 00:35:36.411
He goes, yeah, it's
still kind of enlarged.

00:35:36.411 --> 00:35:38.821
I'd like to refer you to a urologist.

00:35:38.821 --> 00:35:41.091
I said, okay, let's, you know,
let's not mess with this.

00:35:41.741 --> 00:35:45.902
And, uh, oddly enough, he ordered
me up some labs because you got

00:35:45.902 --> 00:35:47.442
to have what they call a PSA test.

00:35:47.442 --> 00:35:48.772
It's not a public service announcement.

00:35:48.772 --> 00:35:52.772
It checks for indicators
that may lead to cancer.

00:35:53.202 --> 00:35:54.752
And they came back a little elevated.

00:35:54.752 --> 00:35:58.566
Well, the day after I left his
office, I saw him on a Tuesday.

00:35:59.136 --> 00:36:02.256
Had to follow up with him the
following Tuesday for those lab tests.

00:36:03.186 --> 00:36:07.186
That Wednesday, right after I
just saw him, I got appendicitis.

00:36:07.384 --> 00:36:08.956
Duke: in a

00:36:09.166 --> 00:36:10.796
Chuck: And had it taken out on Thursday.

00:36:10.866 --> 00:36:14.136
So I come back the following Tuesday
going, Hey doc, you missed something,

00:36:14.136 --> 00:36:15.526
and I've got four holes in me.

00:36:17.276 --> 00:36:17.406
Cory: Oh.

00:36:17.542 --> 00:36:23.558
Duke: Silence.

00:36:23.626 --> 00:36:24.536
Chuck: a little elevated.

00:36:24.556 --> 00:36:26.186
I'm going to refer you to urologist.

00:36:26.186 --> 00:36:29.696
The urologist says, okay, yeah,
we're going to do a biopsy on you.

00:36:29.996 --> 00:36:34.406
So we scheduled that for,
like, December of 2017

00:36:34.701 --> 00:36:36.614
Cory: the the

00:36:36.816 --> 00:36:37.096
Chuck: uh,

00:36:37.570 --> 00:36:38.526
Cory: the

00:36:38.706 --> 00:36:41.866
Chuck: I'm going to stop right here before
I get to the end because if there's any

00:36:41.866 --> 00:36:46.466
guys out there who have encountered this,
you know, somebody I am an open book.

00:36:46.556 --> 00:36:50.316
I, I put myself out
there and we'll listen.

00:36:50.366 --> 00:36:52.406
We'll share what my experience is.

00:36:52.566 --> 00:36:54.996
Sometimes it's nice to have a
sympathetic ear because cancer

00:36:54.996 --> 00:36:56.456
will mess with your mind.

00:36:56.615 --> 00:36:59.813
in ways you do not understand yet,
or maybe you've been through it.

00:37:00.153 --> 00:37:02.753
So if anybody just wants to
talk or need somebody to listen

00:37:02.753 --> 00:37:04.876
to, I'm here, I'm here for you.

00:37:05.326 --> 00:37:08.486
And I, I even said this to one
of my, uh, Uber drivers, somehow

00:37:08.486 --> 00:37:11.301
we got on this discussion and
I went, dude, here's my card.

00:37:11.411 --> 00:37:13.745
Call me if you ever, get diagnosed.

00:37:13.745 --> 00:37:16.125
Cause he said, he's, he's
keeping an eye on it as well.

00:37:16.865 --> 00:37:21.247
So anyway, we, we did the
biopsy, they came back positive.

00:37:21.607 --> 00:37:24.737
Uh, it was stage two is
what they told me to be.

00:37:24.737 --> 00:37:28.867
I think because I had it on both
hemispheres in the prostate and uh,

00:37:29.287 --> 00:37:30.387
I said, well, let's take it out.

00:37:30.397 --> 00:37:33.377
He said, we got to wait six weeks after
the biopsy because you got to, I don't

00:37:33.377 --> 00:37:34.747
know why you got to heal up for something.

00:37:34.747 --> 00:37:37.117
They're going to take out
anyway, but that's the process.

00:37:37.827 --> 00:37:39.177
So February 23rd.

00:37:39.192 --> 00:37:43.622
I went in for surgery, had my prostate
removed, because there's cancer, there's

00:37:43.622 --> 00:37:45.532
surgery, there's different treatments.

00:37:45.532 --> 00:37:46.642
And I said, no, get it out.

00:37:46.902 --> 00:37:47.402
Get it out.

00:37:47.742 --> 00:37:50.692
And it was only in the labs
afterwards, because they do a lab,

00:37:50.712 --> 00:37:52.852
they take the nearby, lymph nodes.

00:37:53.262 --> 00:37:57.182
Because if it's in the lymph nodes, yeah,
you're probably not in a good state.

00:37:57.192 --> 00:37:58.392
It's more like stage four.

00:37:58.782 --> 00:38:02.992
It wasn't in the lymph nodes, thank
goodness, but it was more elevated

00:38:02.992 --> 00:38:04.092
than they thought from the biopsy.

00:38:04.092 --> 00:38:05.402
It was actually stage three A.

00:38:06.137 --> 00:38:10.017
And I went, that's why I had it taken
out right away as fast as possible.

00:38:10.047 --> 00:38:12.257
Now, that's not the proper
course for everybody.

00:38:12.277 --> 00:38:13.667
Everybody's situation is different.

00:38:13.667 --> 00:38:14.617
So I'm not a doctor.

00:38:14.617 --> 00:38:19.227
I'm not making any advisement here,
you do what you feel is best for your

00:38:19.227 --> 00:38:21.447
family, your situation, et cetera.

00:38:21.837 --> 00:38:25.287
Well, my goal for getting it, the
secondary goal for getting it taken

00:38:25.287 --> 00:38:29.847
out as quickly as possible was I
still wanted to be at knowledge 18.

00:38:31.257 --> 00:38:41.967
Cory: Heh, heh, heh.

00:38:42.412 --> 00:38:47.297
Chuck: or sitting down or,
uh, And I got to knowledge 18.

00:38:47.667 --> 00:38:50.507
I wasn't very comfortable most
of the time, especially later in

00:38:50.507 --> 00:38:54.227
the day after being on my feet
all the time, but I made it.

00:38:54.227 --> 00:38:57.137
I mean, Lily Lee will tell you
when the when we walked from,

00:38:57.281 --> 00:38:59.491
The palazzo to the mirage.

00:38:59.677 --> 00:39:02.727
I was in serious old man
staggering mode going.

00:39:02.797 --> 00:39:05.077
Oh, this is this is not
comfortable anymore.

00:39:05.447 --> 00:39:08.217
I'd rather not do this,
but made it through that.

00:39:08.507 --> 00:39:10.147
And, uh, it's it's.

00:39:10.947 --> 00:39:12.987
It's been a full recovery ever since.

00:39:13.447 --> 00:39:16.337
After the surgery, you get
tested for PSAs every quarter

00:39:16.337 --> 00:39:17.307
for the first couple of years.

00:39:17.307 --> 00:39:18.447
Then it's every half year.

00:39:18.757 --> 00:39:20.737
And then it goes down to annually.

00:39:20.737 --> 00:39:24.027
So it's always been coming back as 0.

00:39:24.027 --> 00:39:25.987
So there's no indication that
anything has ever spread.

00:39:26.507 --> 00:39:27.997
So , that's my story.

00:39:28.237 --> 00:39:32.467
And again, if anybody is out there,
if you got diagnosed, or if you've

00:39:32.467 --> 00:39:38.067
got indicators, or if it's I'm here,
reach out to me, find me on LinkedIn.

00:39:39.652 --> 00:39:40.022
Cory: Wow.

00:39:40.182 --> 00:39:44.002
Well, you know, first I want to say, I'm
glad that you beat the hell out of cancer.

00:39:44.012 --> 00:39:45.412
Um, yep.

00:39:46.522 --> 00:39:46.542
Chuck: Yeah.

00:39:46.552 --> 00:39:50.832
I had a classmate, a high school classmate
that was diagnosed like 30 days after me.

00:39:51.252 --> 00:39:53.412
His surgery wasn't until May.

00:39:53.442 --> 00:39:55.712
So he was, you know, a couple
months behind me in surgery.

00:39:55.899 --> 00:39:56.909
But we had.

00:39:57.049 --> 00:40:01.419
The most, uh, I would, I would
call them intimate personal

00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.499
phone calls we'd call at first.

00:40:04.499 --> 00:40:08.419
It was like once a month or once a
week and then it became once a month.

00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.229
And then we started texting and I
still text him every once in a while.

00:40:11.249 --> 00:40:12.099
Hey, Don, how's it going?

00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:13.889
Uh, sailboat is working.

00:40:13.889 --> 00:40:14.949
Well, got a new sailboat.

00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:16.599
So we kept in touch.

00:40:16.879 --> 00:40:18.749
It drew us closer than we ever were.

00:40:19.269 --> 00:40:20.709
Previous in our lifetime.

00:40:20.819 --> 00:40:22.409
He's also kind of related to me.

00:40:22.419 --> 00:40:26.862
Remember me talking about uncle ben
the grandpa ben the finlander it's

00:40:26.862 --> 00:40:32.202
his Son stepson son in law, so we're
kind of related through marriage

00:40:32.212 --> 00:40:35.662
remarriage in laws and kind of stuff
So yeah, it kind of became a fun

00:40:35.662 --> 00:40:37.412
relationship like that to talk to don

00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:40.956
Duke: am going

00:40:41.181 --> 00:40:45.211
Cory: you know, from , being in this,
situation, right, where you're fighting

00:40:45.211 --> 00:40:49.381
for essentially,  fighting for your
life, . And then, , you have a friend

00:40:49.381 --> 00:40:53.671
who is going through pretty much the
exact same thing at the exact same time.

00:40:53.881 --> 00:40:54.201
Chuck: Yeah.

00:40:54.731 --> 00:40:57.541
And his doctor would tell him, you
know, did you try this medication or how

00:40:57.541 --> 00:41:01.927
about this appliance or this, what is
he telling you that mine may have missed

00:41:01.947 --> 00:41:05.777
or, and then I could go to my doctor
and say, Hey, I heard about this option.

00:41:05.937 --> 00:41:06.647
Is that for me?

00:41:06.677 --> 00:41:07.827
Well, we could consider that.

00:41:07.837 --> 00:41:08.307
And dah, dah, dah.

00:41:08.317 --> 00:41:11.957
So it was, it was more information is
better, just like in the tech industry.

00:41:12.027 --> 00:41:12.987
Knowledge is power.

00:41:13.297 --> 00:41:15.867
The more, you know, the more
options you've got, the more

00:41:15.867 --> 00:41:17.367
tools in your arsenal you've got.

00:41:17.577 --> 00:41:21.867
So it was just another one of those
situations only on a more personal level.

00:41:22.124 --> 00:41:22.444
Cory: Yeah.

00:41:22.614 --> 00:41:22.854
Right.

00:41:22.854 --> 00:41:23.534
Absolutely.

00:41:23.844 --> 00:41:24.244
Wow.

00:41:24.364 --> 00:41:25.914
Uh, so, , Chuck number one, right?

00:41:25.914 --> 00:41:28.314
Like really happy to have this
conversation with you, but number two,

00:41:28.364 --> 00:41:32.124
happy to be able to give, this part
of the message to platform, right.

00:41:32.134 --> 00:41:34.944
For folks who are out there who
might have gone through this, who

00:41:34.944 --> 00:41:37.844
might be going through this, who
might go through it in the future.

00:41:38.034 --> 00:41:41.024
To just kind of shine that light
and, and let folks know that, you

00:41:41.024 --> 00:41:42.734
know, Hey, you, you can't beat this.

00:41:43.014 --> 00:41:44.064
it is possible.

00:41:44.274 --> 00:41:46.762
And, you know, keep your chin up, right?

00:41:46.802 --> 00:41:48.562
Chuck: The other thing that
cancer will do to you is it makes

00:41:48.562 --> 00:41:50.712
you appreciate life way more.

00:41:50.772 --> 00:41:52.252
I know that's very cliche.

00:41:52.252 --> 00:41:53.132
A lot of people say it.

00:41:53.422 --> 00:41:55.442
It is absolutely 100 percent true.

00:41:55.562 --> 00:41:59.452
Hopefully you can learn to appreciate
life without getting a major life

00:41:59.452 --> 00:42:04.994
threatening illness or, incident,
but the definitely, I remember I was

00:42:05.024 --> 00:42:09.744
recuperating like a week or so after
my boss's boss sent me an email that

00:42:09.744 --> 00:42:11.774
said, take whatever time you need.

00:42:11.834 --> 00:42:12.644
We've got you covered.

00:42:12.654 --> 00:42:13.554
And I was in tears.

00:42:13.584 --> 00:42:18.184
I don't know what happened, but this
emotional dial went extremely soft on me.

00:42:18.224 --> 00:42:20.704
And It's still there.

00:42:20.704 --> 00:42:22.454
It's just dialed back a little bit.

00:42:22.734 --> 00:42:26.944
So, I don't cry over email anymore,
but it really does like, man, I,

00:42:27.294 --> 00:42:32.484
I don't know what I did to deserve
this appreciation or, or support.

00:42:33.384 --> 00:42:36.884
it's really nice that people are
there and that means the world

00:42:36.894 --> 00:42:38.794
and that's that plays into.

00:42:39.231 --> 00:42:43.731
the way I envision our ServiceNow
community, the, the coworkers that

00:42:43.731 --> 00:42:47.941
I've got, the, the family that's out
there, it really is a wonderful thing.

00:42:47.951 --> 00:42:49.911
And, and I truly, truly appreciate that.

00:42:50.312 --> 00:42:50.842
Cory: Absolutely.

00:42:51.082 --> 00:42:52.022
I mean, it's you just,

00:42:52.227 --> 00:42:52.257
Duke: Okay.

00:42:53.282 --> 00:42:54.412
Cory: yeah, I can't imagine.

00:42:54.542 --> 00:42:56.052
I can't even imagine it.

00:42:56.052 --> 00:42:57.802
It gives me a little
emotional thinking about it.

00:42:58.072 --> 00:43:00.232
Truthfully, because, you
know, just hearing about

00:43:00.232 --> 00:43:01.432
like the, the support, right?

00:43:01.432 --> 00:43:04.762
Like, you know, in, in, in this
situation that, that you got and,

00:43:05.032 --> 00:43:07.852
you know, in hearing, you know,
a little bit of that residual

00:43:07.852 --> 00:43:09.352
emotion still in your voice, right?

00:43:09.352 --> 00:43:12.406
I know you're trying to try to hide it
a little bit, but, I can kind of hear

00:43:12.406 --> 00:43:16.786
it there and I don't know, just I've,
I've had folks in, in my family too,

00:43:16.786 --> 00:43:20.802
so it touches a little bit,  we've had
you talking for a long time, Chuck, so

00:43:20.947 --> 00:43:22.267
Duke: go right to the bleeding edge here.

00:43:22.767 --> 00:43:27.687
We've got a couple more, uh, go for it.

00:43:28.002 --> 00:43:28.802
Cory: no, go for it.

00:43:28.857 --> 00:43:31.697
Duke: Chuck, favorite episode of
Star Trek The Next Generation.

00:43:31.747 --> 00:43:32.587
Chuck: Oh, man.

00:43:33.632 --> 00:43:34.362
Cory: oh man.

00:43:34.362 --> 00:43:34.982
Here we go.

00:43:36.577 --> 00:43:40.507
Chuck: Albuquerque, I'll tell
you, , you know, I'm going to

00:43:40.517 --> 00:43:42.967
have to go with, it's a toss up.

00:43:42.977 --> 00:43:45.227
It really is between all good things.

00:43:45.277 --> 00:43:50.277
The final episode, , or, best of
both worlds, obviously part one

00:43:50.277 --> 00:43:51.617
and part two, you know, where.

00:43:51.907 --> 00:43:53.527
Picard gets taken as Locutus.

00:43:53.577 --> 00:43:55.497
We've been introduced to the
board earlier, but this is

00:43:55.497 --> 00:43:57.507
really where it was in your face.

00:43:57.517 --> 00:44:00.847
Like, oh my gosh, this was for
the repeat, really old people.

00:44:00.847 --> 00:44:03.897
It's almost like a who shot JR moment
when they closed out that episode going.

00:44:03.927 --> 00:44:05.297
Oh, yeah.

00:44:07.317 --> 00:44:09.027
But, um, yeah, best of both worlds.

00:44:09.027 --> 00:44:10.837
Part one and two is very, very good.

00:44:11.067 --> 00:44:13.557
I have always had a secret
cosplay desire to dress up as a

00:44:13.557 --> 00:44:15.327
board, but a little too complex.

00:44:15.382 --> 00:44:17.622
Cory: Oh, yeah, that'd be awesome.

00:44:17.917 --> 00:44:22.047
Chuck: The other, the other one that I
would love to do is Saru from Discovery.

00:44:23.437 --> 00:44:24.637
Duke: I didn't watch Discovery.

00:44:25.192 --> 00:44:25.902
Cory: Not familiar with

00:44:25.907 --> 00:44:29.401
Chuck: It's all, uh, it's, uh,
he is a Kelpien, which is, more

00:44:29.401 --> 00:44:30.891
like a, almost like a lizard.

00:44:30.961 --> 00:44:34.791
Now, Doug Jones is the  the actor, . He
is a very tall, lanky individual.

00:44:35.141 --> 00:44:37.767
And he wears these, hoof boots.

00:44:38.097 --> 00:44:39.697
So, that adds to his height.

00:44:39.707 --> 00:44:41.837
He's a very, very tall
character in the show.

00:44:42.227 --> 00:44:44.757
Walking on those things
has got to be a nightmare.

00:44:45.262 --> 00:44:46.722
I'm not worried about the boots yet.

00:44:46.762 --> 00:44:50.492
I'm, this is all predicated on
me finding a good Saru mask.

00:44:50.492 --> 00:44:51.492
I found some crappy ones.

00:44:51.772 --> 00:44:55.212
Duke: that's a, I just looked it up
on the Google and it's pretty crazy.

00:44:55.432 --> 00:44:56.062
Cory: Yeah.

00:44:56.782 --> 00:44:57.512
Chuck: I met Doug Jones.

00:44:57.522 --> 00:45:01.072
He is, as a, as a human being,
he's already like 6'4 So

00:45:01.072 --> 00:45:02.852
he's, he's a tall individual.

00:45:03.299 --> 00:45:03.569
Cory: Wow.

00:45:03.589 --> 00:45:03.879
Yeah.

00:45:04.939 --> 00:45:07.449
Duke: shoot, that Cosplay?

00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:08.179
Hold on a second.

00:45:08.189 --> 00:45:08.589
Back up.

00:45:09.589 --> 00:45:11.153
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

00:45:11.224 --> 00:45:12.394
Chuck: It can be easy.

00:45:12.454 --> 00:45:13.374
It can be hard.

00:45:13.374 --> 00:45:13.604
I mean,

00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:16.989
Duke: I'll bet you those people out
there listening don't know what your best

00:45:17.174 --> 00:45:21.994
Chuck: okay, cosplay is is when you
dress up as a character from a book, a

00:45:22.004 --> 00:45:27.544
game, a movie, a TV show, whatever you
are, you're taking on that persona and

00:45:27.554 --> 00:45:31.594
that as a look, and it could be a made
up character, you know, Hey, I'm dressed

00:45:31.604 --> 00:45:34.497
up as, Anson Rodriguez from whatever.

00:45:34.497 --> 00:45:35.627
And there was no right answer.

00:45:35.717 --> 00:45:36.247
Rodriguez.

00:45:36.247 --> 00:45:36.687
That's right.

00:45:36.707 --> 00:45:39.217
Because I made up the character
and I am that person now.

00:45:40.562 --> 00:45:40.762
Duke: Yeah, it's

00:45:40.827 --> 00:45:41.957
Cory: put on a red shirt.

00:45:41.982 --> 00:45:44.482
Duke: uh, it's immersing yourself
in the fantasy of whatever,

00:45:44.687 --> 00:45:47.887
Chuck: Yes, and mine generally
tend to stick around Star Trek.

00:45:47.887 --> 00:45:51.037
I've got four, five, maybe
six Star Trek costumes.

00:45:51.047 --> 00:45:54.357
The black and gray from
DS9 slash Insurrection.

00:45:54.747 --> 00:45:56.907
I've got the white
waiter from Insurrection.

00:45:56.937 --> 00:45:57.757
I call it the white waiter.

00:45:57.757 --> 00:45:59.057
That's what Picard is.

00:45:59.217 --> 00:46:01.167
Senior crew were dressed
up as at the beginning.

00:46:01.547 --> 00:46:05.781
, so various costumes and cosplays from
mostly star trek and boy they come

00:46:05.781 --> 00:46:09.421
out and change them every year or more
like I can't keep up with this It's

00:46:09.421 --> 00:46:12.594
an expensive hobby but there's always
someone in china selling a cheap one.

00:46:12.614 --> 00:46:13.714
So thank goodness for that

00:46:14.114 --> 00:46:14.434
Cory: There you go.

00:46:14.434 --> 00:46:15.504
And then you just dress it up.

00:46:16.504 --> 00:46:19.564
Chuck: The it could be simple like
that I I did one a few years ago where

00:46:19.564 --> 00:46:23.274
I had um, like one of those fake Caps
that go on your head that looks like

00:46:23.274 --> 00:46:27.449
your brains are sticking out And I
put a Klingon dagger in there and I

00:46:27.449 --> 00:46:29.039
went as the unfortunate red shirt.

00:46:29.664 --> 00:46:30.454
Cory: Oh, nice.

00:46:31.369 --> 00:46:31.779
Duke: Which.

00:46:34.114 --> 00:46:37.044
Chuck: I have a picture standing
next to somebody cosplaying as Jesus

00:46:37.094 --> 00:46:38.144
and like he's trying to heal me.

00:46:38.144 --> 00:46:39.314
It was it was a great picture.

00:46:39.924 --> 00:46:43.944
Yeah, the other one that
I do is from Futurama.

00:46:44.034 --> 00:46:48.284
I mentioned I'm a Futurama fan
and years ago, we came up with

00:46:48.284 --> 00:46:51.274
the idea to put a Santa Claus at
the end of the Dragon Con parade.

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Dragon Con is a nerdy gra is a
great way to explain it in Atlanta,

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Georgia on Labor Day weekend, first
weekend in September every year.

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I made this mention on our first
year we went there in 2009.

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I'm going to put a Santa
at the end of the parade.

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There's actually a video
that documented us.

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They spotlighted our group
at this last DragonCon.

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So I'll share the link as soon as I can.

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It's still in post production right now.

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I dress up as Hubert Farnsworth.

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Good news, everyone, you know the

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Cory: Oh, yeah, yeah,

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Duke: Silence.

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Chuck: so the, the 164 year old guy I
put on a bald appliance, it takes me an

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hour and a half to put on all the makeup.

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I get my lab coat, my slippers, and
I, I shuffle down Peach Tree Street

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in Atlanta, Georgia, in my slippers
and, and some surgical pants.

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Every year.

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It's a wonderful time, but that's another
community builder because out of this

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harebrained idea of putting Santa Claus
at the end of the parade, who happens to

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be the evil robot Santa from the cartoon.

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And that's, that's as much fun as it is.

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And, uh, we get all these people, we got
three Zap Brannigans, and we've got two

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fries and a lady fry and a Lila's mom.

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And it was, it's this great community.

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And we get a group picture that's my
banner art on Facebook every year.

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I refresh it because
it's a different group.

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And I, that's one of
those moments to savor.

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Just stand there and go, a crazy
idea, much like the bow tie has grown

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into this and people, uh, adore it.

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it just, you can't let
moments like that go by

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Cory: Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, my God man,

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Duke: Where do we even start?

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Where do we...

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Chuck: unrecognized.

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We'll do

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Duke: yeah.

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Well, we're 51 minutes of record.

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This has been one of the

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Chuck: another one.

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We'll do another one.

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Duke: Okay, what's your
favorite karaoke song then, Mr.

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Chuck: Oh, it depends.

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Duke: Interests?

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Chuck: Okay, so I got I
got hooked on karaoke.

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It really hit its peak.

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At knowledge 19.

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Is that when it was?

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Yeah, it was 19.

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Dave slusher at us all go
over to Ellis Island in Vegas.

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It's like this 1960s casino, you know,
one floor look like Frank Sinatra could

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walk in at any moment saying songs anyway.

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And that's when the idea hit
me to build an app on service.

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Now that catalogs as many karaoke
songs as I could find on YouTube

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and make an app out of this.

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And we use this for Okay.

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This year we had two digital
karaoke parties, , at DragonCon.

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So I was up to like 2, 2.

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30 in the morning just hosting
this party, sing a couple songs.

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It really depends on the venue.

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If I want to get something that people
sing along with, I pick a sing along song.

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you know, like, like, yeah, Sweet
Caroline or Centerfold by J.

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Giles Band, where
they're going na, na, na,

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Duke: Yeah, right, right, right.

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Chuck: You get something to sing along.

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If, if I'm at home and I just
want to, you know, Chill out.

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I'll go for some of the slower songs
and anything from air supply to

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journeys faithfully or something.

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If I were,

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Duke: you're gonna rock out Journey?

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You

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Chuck: Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh,

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Duke: the biggest vocal range of every,
uh, of any male human that's ever

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Chuck: Oh, sing, sing some
of the queen songs, man.

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Freddie's all over the roads.

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That is a blast or Frankie Valley.

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How he goes from, the gravelly
voice to the falsetto voice.

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Those are fun.

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Those are fun.

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Cory: Yeah, now, now Chuck, now you've
got me interested in karaoke like

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Duke: But of but of course Chuck's
gonna do the queen and the and

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the journey and all the like,

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Cory: right?

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Like,

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Duke: mere mortals can't do.

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Cory: like you don't do anything halfway.

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Chuck

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Chuck: It's a grand experiment because
as I was growing up, you know, we'd

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often do cartoon voices or something.

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And, and it's a lot like that.

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Singing these different
character voices is a lot like

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doing those character voices.

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You just kind of find your
range and, and what can you do?

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And at home I can experiment and fail.

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It's real easy.

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And I go, something will click
and I go, Oh, I like that song.

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Or sometimes I'll hear something
on the radio and go, I, you

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know, I think I could do that.

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Let's try it out.

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Duke: Well, Chuck, you apparently
have a hard stop in 120 seconds.

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Chuck: And we didn't even talk
about the Star Trek cruise yet.

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Cory: Oh,

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Duke: The Star Trek crew?

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I mean, shall there be a part two?

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Cory: there should be a part two

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Duke: There should be a part two.

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Chuck: Leave the listener with that.

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Leave them wanting more, right?

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Duke: Yep.

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Cory: man.

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Duke: Thanks so much
for stopping by, Chuck.

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It was an honor.

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Chuck: You bet.

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Cory: Absolutely.

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I really appreciate it, Chuck.

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Duke: All right.

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Thanks.