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I'm Travis Bader
and this is The

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Silvercore Podcast.

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matters related to

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Today I'm joined by
a recently retired

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corporate spy and special
forces commando who

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was currently training
for a shot at the UFC.

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And he runs a company,
SixSight.co where he

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provides situational
awareness training for

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the everyday person.

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Welcome to The Silvercore
Podcast, Sonny Smith.

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Thanks very much
pleasure to be on here.

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So we've got a heck
of a lot of accolades

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behind your name.

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And, uh, I was able to
meet you through a mutual

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friend, Paul, who at
some point in the future

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will hopefully be on
The Silvercore Podcast.

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Cause he's got some
stories to share as

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well, but, uh, Paul
speaks extremely highly

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of you and he has
some, uh, interesting

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backstories that, uh,
that he brought up.

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Not all of which I'm sure
we can share on here,

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but I, what drew me to
you was originally your,

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your TikTok account.

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So you've got a, uh,
a TikTok account where

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you've been doling out
some awesome information

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on situational awareness,
free of charge for

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the general public.

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I was going to say,
what got you into

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that, but why don't we
back up a little bit.

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Because if we back up
to, uh, when you were a

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bit younger, what made
you want to join the

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military and how you
went down that route?

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And, uh, what, why don't
I let you take it away

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from there before I
just keep yapping here.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So I am on TikTok
and on Instagram.

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So I do like to give out
a lot of free information

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and a lot of it is come
from my backgrounds

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and I have a unique,
unique perspective

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because I have crossed
different disciplines.

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When normally someone
is, becomes a bodyguard,

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that's their job.

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I started, I was in there
military, and then I

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became a corporate spy.

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I ended up in the
military doing special

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forces selection and,
and being embedded in

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the special forces.

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Uh, I became a corporate
spy and then I worked

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as a bodyguard as well.

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And prior to that,
I've always had a,

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a, an interest in
fighting and violence,

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has been my bread
and bar as a person.

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Um, when I grew up,
it was quite a violent

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environment uh, going out
when I started going out

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to bars and clubs, but
even in my high school

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and younger days, some
very old friends of me,

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their first memories
of me is me fighting

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on the playground
and stuff, which is

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an unusual thing.

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And I'm not very
proud to say it.

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I wasn't, I was never
committing crimes or

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anything as a youngster,
but obviously violence

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and fighting is a
crime, but I was kind

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of fighting with other
combatants that were

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agreeing in, I was never
running and hitting

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random people and stuff.

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Right, right.

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But it did, it
was a never ending

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cycle of violence.

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It was like football
hooliganism without the

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football, to be honest
and other towns used

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to come and challenge
us and we would fight.

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And then there
was challenges in

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nightclubs and bars.

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Had arranged fights
where people would

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come and then I end up
meeting in a parking

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lot and having a scrap.

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Was there money on those?

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Uh, no money actually.

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I did end up fighting
for money in a different

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scenario, uh, in an
unlicensed boxing

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competition in a cage,
in a greek island.

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But that's another story.

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That sounds interesting.

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We could come
back to that.

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Yeah.

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Um, but I've always had
this like violent um,

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piece of out me and I've
always been interested

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in fighting and it wasn't
till I was 16 that I

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actually started boxing.

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So I started amateur
boxing, actually got

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a bit of discipline.

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I learned a lot about
life in that gym and

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it was quite hard like
traditional boxing

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gym, where there's
no decorations, it

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was underground, it
was murky and gritty.

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And I learned a lot
about being a man

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and growing up and
discipline myself there.

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Um, before that
I was just a wild

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man, to be honest.

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Why?

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Just.

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Um.

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In your nature or just?

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It's probably, we've
got, I'd probably

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have to delve deeper
into my childhood.

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Right.

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Fair enough.

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Um, but uh, just have
always had that in me,

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but I've always had the
ability to stay forward

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when others have froze
or thought, oh, I don't

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like this situation
I've stepped forward and

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I've always carried the
fight in flag for any

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group I've been attached
to, any friend group.

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And later in my life,
when I was like 20,

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19, I'd be out in
nightclubs and friends

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from high school would
come up to me, say

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all of these guys, my
ex girlfriends like

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friends are over there.

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They're, they're looking
at me, they're going

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to start and I'll be
like, who are they?

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Where are they?

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And they'd be like,
oh, they're over there.

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Right.

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Let's go.

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And they'd be like,
oh, whoa, no, we just

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want to hang around
with you just to make

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sure that we're not
going to get beaten up.

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I'm the person that's
out Rocky with me.

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Let's go.

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Um.

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Right.

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Um, I've always,
always had that in me.

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And I'm not that
person right now.

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I'm different,
I'm a family man.

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Um, but a lot of my
knowledge of violence and

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fighting comes from my
experiences of growing

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up in that background.

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I can relate to
a lot of that.

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And so the boxing that
you got into was that by

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your choice, or was that
something that you were

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sort of ushered into?

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Uh, boxing I've always
had a passion for,

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and I really wanted to
do it, but my parents

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wouldn't let me do it.

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Like maybe my mom
wouldn't let me go until

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I was 16 and I was able
to get, I had to get two

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buses to get to the gym.

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We have quite a famous
gym in my hometown, and

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there was an ex, um,
a world champion boxer

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who was running it.

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So I got two buses to
get there, like three

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or four times a week.

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And then I started
training and it

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was a real like,
mentality that I've

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ta-, that was my first
experience of hardship.

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And when you walked in
the gym and there wasn't

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someone to greet you,
you had to earn your

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right to be in that gym.

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You started on
the fringes.

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No one came and said,
oh, come in, come

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in and do some pads.

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You didn't get any
training until you'd

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shown your face
for a long time.

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And then you gradually
worked up the ladder

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until you was in
the ring sparring.

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And the sparring we did
was hard sparring  even

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though I was a young
guy, that's the hardest,

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I was training MMA now
and that was the hardest

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spine I've ever done.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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And, but that was a
good experience and it

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showed me that, like
I'm glad I did that

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because I learned how
to take a punch and

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what the, what it was
like to take a punch.

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Um, and even though
I'd had lots of street

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fights and I fought, I
was a hard individual,

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uh, later down the line,
I knew what hard really

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meant, but it wasn't
that fighting when you're

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a bit drunk and stuff.

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But it was, it wasn't
till I got to the

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military that I
actually realized what

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a hard man really was.

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And I always had
this thing inside me.

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I always thought to
myself, I want to be seen

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as a hard man amongst
hard men that has been

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my driving force for
everything I've done.

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However silly
that may sound to

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some people, but.

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I don't, I don't think
that's silly at all.

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Honestly.

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I mean, I guess it
all comes down to your

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definition of what
a hard person is and

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that's an ever evolving
thing, obviously.

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Yeah.

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Um, so if you were, had
a natural proclivity

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towards violence as
a youngster, do you.

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It's not like a
light switch, just

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switched at one point.

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And you said, okay,
now I have containment.

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Um, what, uh, how did,
was it the military

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that kind of helped form
that and create that

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level of containment?

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Cause I don't think
you ever outgrow that,

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that feeling as a, as
a kid or whatever it

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is that you naturally
have the whole nurture

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and nature argument,
but whatever it is that

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you kind of naturally
have as a, as a child,

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I think you just get
better at containing and

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managing, uh, managing
it as you get older.

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Is that, uh, I find
myself anyways.

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Is that what you
find in yourself?

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Yeah, I would agree.

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Yeah.

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And joining the military
when I became a Royal

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Marine Commando, that
was a savior in my

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life to be honest.

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I had friends that did
go down the wrong route.

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And one of my friends
did a lot of prison

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time for a fighting
related offense.

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We were not criminals,
but we always had

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scraps and stuff.

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But once I joined the
Royal Marine Commandos,

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that aggression and
determination that I

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had was actually seen
as a positive thing

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and it was channeled
and everyone around me.

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Uh, I became quite
a good leader in

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that setting because
my attributes were

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actually a good thing.

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Uh, as you can imagine,
the job of a commando

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is to close down on the
enemy and kill the enemy

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at the end of the day.

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Right.

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Um, and that is the
be-all and end-all

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of the job, although
there's other aspects.

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So my, my agression
was channeled and I did

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very well in my training
and it shaped me as an

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individual and I'm very
proud of my roots and

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I'm very happy that I
went down that path.

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I don't think I'll be
the same person who I am

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today if I hadn't become
a Royal Marine Commando.

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When did you join?

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Uh, I joined when
it was,  I passed

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training in 2012.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, that was just
when the last Royal

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Marine units were
going to Afghanistan.

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So I didn't get my
chance to do the job for

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real, um, out in those
deployments, which,

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um, anyone that did do
those deployments I hold

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a much higher regard
higher than myself.

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Way above.

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Because they've done
the job for real.

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Well, Royal Marines
have got a pretty high

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reputation in the UK
and around the world,

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but you decided to,
uh, push forward and

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do selection as well.

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Yes I did.

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Yeah.

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When I joined the Royal
Marines, I ended up

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doing a few, uh, they're
called operations,

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but they, after the
wave of the Afghans

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who weren't getting
rounds down on target

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and stuff like that,
which are to be honest,

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that's why I joined,
you know what I mean.

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Sure.

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You don't jointhe Royal
Marines in wartime just

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to float around on boats.

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Totally.

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Um, so I did
a few things.

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Uh, I made the rank
of corporal, and

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our ranking systems
different to Canada.

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So corporal is in
charge of like a section

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of seven men, eight,
including yourself,

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and so I had to do a
training course for that.

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And on that training
course was junior

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command course.

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There was to operate,
is on there from the

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British special forces.

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And I was embedded
with them.

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I was working
with them as doing

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reconnaissance missions
with them and lots of

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different training.

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And I became
friends with them.

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And at the end of the
course, position one

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and two went to them and
position three, went to.

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And then they took me
aside at the end of that

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course, and they said,
Sonny, what's going on?

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When you coming down,
uh, to join our outfit?

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And that opened my eyes
to what was possible

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for me, because I'd
always seen, first

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of all, I'd always
seen the Royal Marine

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Commandos when I was
in recruiting training

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as this high up godly
figures, which they are.

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Sure.

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Yes.

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But, it is achievable.

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If you do put
your mind to it.

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And I, I decided that's
what I wanted to do.

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And I achieved that.

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And then when these two
guys who are held in

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very high regard, took
me aside and said, I

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think, we think you've
got what it takes.

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And I saw that they
were professional.

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They're very good.

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I'm not saying that
they weren't good.

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They were extremely
professional, but

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they also had a
laugh and a joke just

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like everyone else.

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But when the time was on,
when they were switched

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on and they were ready
to go and they did their

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job exceptionally well.

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And for them to say,
we want you down

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here, give it a go.

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That changed my
perspective and I've

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changed my sights
onto that target.

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And that's when I
started to pursue that.

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And in preparation for
that, actually did the

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Royal Marine, uh, boxing
championships andI won.

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Uh, it was light
heavyweight, I'm a

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bit lighter than I
was now than I am now.

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I was up at one, the
Royal Marine champ

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boxing championships.

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And I did a lot of
cardio training for that.

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So I used that as
momentum to start

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building on working
towards selection to

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go for special forces
and it ended up being

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successful in that.

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Can you talk at all about
the selection process?

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I know everyone gets
jazzed about the

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selection process, but
that's just like step one

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and then everything else
happens afterwards, but.

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Yeah.

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I can talk about
some things.

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Okay.

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Some things I
won't talk about.

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Of course.

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But yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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What, uh, so
summer or winter?

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I did the summer
selection, which I

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was very happy about.

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And, uh, so what
did that consist of?

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Uh, so first of all,
there's there's pre

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selection courses that
you have to pass to

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even be allowed to get
onto the selection.

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Some of those are
extremely arduous in

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themselves, so I passed
those and then I ended up

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moving everything towards
going for selection.

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And then you do a beat
up and then you did the

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hills phase of selection.

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And that is in the
Brecon beacons and it's

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mountainous terrain
and you're carrying

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heavy loads over long
distances, uh, every

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day, um, for a period
of time and the weights

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and distances change.

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And a lot of the time
you don't actually

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know the distance of
that day and you just

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get to a checkpoint,
you get the next

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checkpoint, you get to
that checkpoint and you

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don't know when you're
going to finish those.

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There's a lot of
mind games involved

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in selection.

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Um.

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So obviously very
physically arduous, a

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very difficult process,
uh, but on the mental

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side, that seems to be
where people are you

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make or break them.

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Excuse me.

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It seems to be where
people are made or

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break broken on the
selection process.

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Uh, how did you
prepare yourself

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mentally for this?

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I have had a few
techniques in my own head

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that I developed before
even research personal

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development, sort of
self-improvement books.

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And there's a lot of
stuff that I don't want

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to blow my own trumpet
that David Goggins says.

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Okay.

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That I was actually
like, Oh yeah.

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Well, I called it this
in my own head, like

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isolation and obviously
visit, um, uh, what

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was it called again?

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Visualization.

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Visualization.

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There you go.

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Yeah.

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I'd always had this
visualization routine.

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When I was trying to
become a Royal Marine

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Commando in the morning.

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I'd always visualize
getting a green

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baret and, and stuff.

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And every time I was
doing PT, I'm running on

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a treadmill or anything.

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I'd always be daydream.

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I've had always been, I
had a good imagination.

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I've been able to imagine
myself doing things.

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And I think that's
quite an important part.

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But in preparation
for selection, it

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was obviously very
physical, but it's also

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a different type of
physical to what most

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people would believe.

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Cause you're carrying
heavy loads over

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long distances.

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Um, so there's only
really one way to train

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for that is to carry
heavy loads distances.

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Right.

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But to anyone that's
looking to go on

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selection or any other
military sort of course,

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it's audrious like that.

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It was a look at the
course and what is,

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um, required of your
mind is using my legs

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to climb mountains
with heavy weight.

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So I was doing a lot
of single leg work and

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building my legs and
my core and everything.

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So I looked at the,
the actual course

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and I looked at what
I needed in my body.

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So I did look at
it quite, um, and

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nail it down to
what was specific.

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Very analytical
approach to doing it.

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Yeah.

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And there's still
no getting around

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the actual pain.

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Well, dealing
with the pain is a

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whole other thing.

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And that's, that really
is, I guess it's going

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to be a part of it
is going to be your

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physical conditioning.

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Cause it's going to
reduce the amount of

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pain that you might
have, but that really

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is a mental process.

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Um, you know, most people
don't even experience a

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fraction of the physical
and mental pain that

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you have elected to, to
go through, yourself.

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Yeah.

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Um, what advice would
you give to somebody

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who's looking at
doing something?

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Whether it's, whether
it'd be a lofty goal,

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like selection, which
is both physically and

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mentally difficult,
or I just something

00:16:20.085 --> 00:16:21.555
in their own personal
life that they're

00:16:21.555 --> 00:16:25.755
finding is a difficult
task at the moment.

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In order to get
through it with, do

00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:29.040
you have any advice
for somebody like that?

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If you're going to come
across a hurdle that

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you, you personally
want to achieve, then

00:16:33.620 --> 00:16:36.050
you have to physically
decide in your head that

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I am going to do this.

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Not, oh, I want
to do this.

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The decision has to
be made before you

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step into that lane.

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Um, if you don't
decide, this is what

00:16:45.050 --> 00:16:47.060
I'm going to do, you're
never going to get it.

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Uh, that's the
first thing.

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And also to look at
it and analyze it,

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what you need from it.

00:16:52.610 --> 00:16:54.320
And you can't shy
away from the pain.

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You can't just start on
the day of the race, the

00:16:56.870 --> 00:16:59.420
preparation has to start
way, way beforehand.

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And it doesn't have to,
you don't have to go

00:17:01.250 --> 00:17:02.120
hard, straight away.

00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:04.040
It's incremental
and you just have to

00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:07.220
build up over time
towards that goal.

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And then on the day
of the race, a lot

00:17:09.890 --> 00:17:12.440
of the stress around
it, and now I think

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back is actually the
anticipation of the pain.

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Totally.

00:17:16.260 --> 00:17:18.280
Thinking about it
happening and, but

00:17:18.280 --> 00:17:20.120
when you're in there,
you're either going

00:17:20.120 --> 00:17:21.080
to quit or you're not.

00:17:21.080 --> 00:17:23.290
And I have the mentality,
I'm not going to quit.

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Like I'll drop
before I do.

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And yeah, it's painful,
but it does end.

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And then the glory
comes at the end of it.

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It's like uh,
our first child.

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My wife's having.

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Yeah.

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I think it was like
27 hours of labor.

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Wow.

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And I, I don't know.

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She said it helped her.

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I know some people
are like Travis, how

00:17:45.755 --> 00:17:46.505
could you say this?

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I said, I told my
wife, look, this is

00:17:48.665 --> 00:17:51.755
one day out of your
life, it will be over,

00:17:51.995 --> 00:17:53.225
the pain will be over.

00:17:53.705 --> 00:17:55.355
And how will you
want to look back

00:17:55.355 --> 00:17:56.745
on this later right?

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And man she was a
trooper, but other

00:17:59.975 --> 00:18:01.715
people told me is
like, how the hell can

00:18:01.715 --> 00:18:02.345
you say that Travis?

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It was the right
information at the

00:18:04.025 --> 00:18:05.675
right time for the
right kind of person.

00:18:06.035 --> 00:18:06.455
Yeah.

00:18:06.635 --> 00:18:08.105
And that's a different
kind of pain, which

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I'm very happy we
don't experience.

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Yes.

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I do admire every
woman that does that.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

00:18:16.775 --> 00:18:16.865
Yeah.

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Well, when, uh, when
I was talking to Paul,

00:18:20.355 --> 00:18:22.335
you know, see if I
can kind of paraphrase

00:18:22.335 --> 00:18:22.995
here a little bit.

00:18:23.025 --> 00:18:26.385
And he says he, uh, uh,
attributes your overall

00:18:26.385 --> 00:18:29.955
success as a human
being to live, to not

00:18:29.955 --> 00:18:32.625
living an easy life,
but you've taken what

00:18:32.625 --> 00:18:33.465
you've been provided.

00:18:33.495 --> 00:18:35.535
You've set very high
goals and you've

00:18:35.535 --> 00:18:36.225
achieved them.

00:18:37.005 --> 00:18:38.865
Uh, Paul says you
live life by your

00:18:38.865 --> 00:18:41.145
own rules and you
do so with humility.

00:18:41.895 --> 00:18:44.175
So I don't know if he
knew I was going to

00:18:44.355 --> 00:18:45.225
quote him on that one.

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That's uh, um, by
your own set of rules.

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What, what would
those rules be?

00:18:52.205 --> 00:18:54.845
Uh, I kind of,
I don't tend to

00:18:54.845 --> 00:18:56.135
follow the crowds.

00:18:56.315 --> 00:18:58.985
I tend to just make
decisions based on my own

00:18:59.105 --> 00:19:02.795
opinions and the like to
research things in depth

00:19:02.825 --> 00:19:05.135
and look at things from
different perspectives.

00:19:07.605 --> 00:19:10.915
Yeah, I'm very grateful
for him to saying that,

00:19:10.915 --> 00:19:12.435
I've got a lot of good
things to say about

00:19:12.435 --> 00:19:13.275
him, hopefully he'll.

00:19:13.635 --> 00:19:14.025
Yes.

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Say 'em himself
on here um.

00:19:16.955 --> 00:19:18.785
Well, not living an
easy life and I know you

00:19:18.785 --> 00:19:21.665
and I talked a little
bit about difficulties

00:19:21.665 --> 00:19:24.605
off air here, and we
don't have to get into

00:19:24.605 --> 00:19:30.785
all of those, but, uh,
do, now, now you're

00:19:30.785 --> 00:19:33.245
in a position where
you're able to share

00:19:33.245 --> 00:19:37.475
from your experiences
what's worked and what

00:19:37.475 --> 00:19:40.775
hasn't, how you've grown
as an individual from

00:19:40.775 --> 00:19:44.045
somebody who was just
getting out and fights

00:19:44.045 --> 00:19:47.795
all the time to being
a professional soldier.

00:19:48.035 --> 00:19:51.965
And now you're operating
the company SixSight.co.

00:19:52.205 --> 00:19:52.415
Yeah.

00:19:54.764 --> 00:19:56.595
Before we jump into
we're like what

00:19:56.595 --> 00:19:57.794
SixSight is all about?

00:19:58.395 --> 00:20:01.185
Did you've got one
heck of an Instagram

00:20:01.245 --> 00:20:02.475
and TikTok feed.

00:20:02.625 --> 00:20:04.605
You come across
really, really well

00:20:04.605 --> 00:20:05.445
in your production.

00:20:05.445 --> 00:20:06.405
It's really
well polished.

00:20:06.405 --> 00:20:08.294
You've given some
fantastic information

00:20:08.294 --> 00:20:10.455
and anyone who's
listening, listening

00:20:10.455 --> 00:20:13.004
that wants to find that
it's SixSight.co on both

00:20:13.004 --> 00:20:16.155
Instagram and TikTok,
but, um, do you find

00:20:16.155 --> 00:20:18.165
it easy to be getting
in front of the camera?

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Do you find it easy?

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Cause I'm looking at
your background here as

00:20:22.215 --> 00:20:24.855
a corporate spy and in
the military and special

00:20:24.855 --> 00:20:29.235
forces and, uh, you kinda
have to be the gray man,

00:20:29.385 --> 00:20:31.274
and you're not really
the gray man when you're

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out there on technology.

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Right.

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It's a very hard
thing for me to do.

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I'm normally on
the gray man.

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I've always been that
person that stands

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back and observes
from the shadows.

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I don't like to
be the front man.

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Um, but it's come to
the point where the,

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the times have changed
and my, my message

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is different to what
a lot of people were

00:20:53.790 --> 00:20:54.480
teaching out there.

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And in the self-defense
realm, there's a lot

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of misinformation and
a lot of stuff that

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can get people hurt.

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It gives people a
false sense of security

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of what they're
actually capable of.

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My whole philosophy is
based around detecting

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threats and avoiding them
in the first place and

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having plans that don't
involve using violence.

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Um, because I believe
that you can't really

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teach a person how to
fight effectively by

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watching an online video
or even a few classes.

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And even if you do boxing
for many years, if you're

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not in the ring sparring,
even if you are sparring,

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that's not a real fight.

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There's no adrenaline,
there's no real pain

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or disorientation when
you get hit and yeah,

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you'll do better than
someone that hasn't.

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But if you're going up
a true fire and I call

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people, some people true
fighters to be avoided

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at all times, and a lot
of real criminals out

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there, they've grown
up on with a bad life.

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They've grown up in
and out of prison.

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If they're threatened
in violence to Rob you,

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then they're probably
going to use violence.

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And they've probably
been accustomed

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to using violence.

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Yeah, it's good to
have some moves and

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some things in your
back pocket, but let's

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do everything in our
power not to get there

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in the first place.

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And that's what I'm
teaching at Fremont

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channels and doing
everything for free has

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actually been quite, it's
been very welcomed by all

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my followers and I've got
a very great following.

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The comment is speak
to mepersonally.

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And I have a lot of
people message me and

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tell me stories of
when they used the

00:22:22.889 --> 00:22:25.320
tactics that I've taught
them to get out of

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some bad situations.

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And that's just amazing.

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That's the.

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That's pretty cool.

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Whole reason.

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Yeah.

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That's the whole reason
why I've got this online

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course, which is called
Women's Self-Defence

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Without Fighting
and it's obviously

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tailored for women.

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Um, but it, the
techniques and training

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in there, a lot of
it hasn't been taught

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before because it's
coming from, I'm bringing

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in training from my
time in the military.

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I'm bringing in personal
experiences of being

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a violent offender
and have environments

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inflicted on me.

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And I'm bringing in
training and drills

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from body guards,
close protection

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operators, which is
the job that I do now.

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And also surveillance,
which is corporate

00:23:01.169 --> 00:23:04.740
espionage and tradecraft
drills for people that

00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:07.620
maybe being followed
on the way home from

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the train station.

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A lot of us have probably
had that or suspected

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it happened and at some
point in their lives.

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So I want to give people
some actual drills or

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some training to know
what to do in these

00:23:18.390 --> 00:23:21.660
situations, without
the usual, kick him in

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the nuts and run away.

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Or scream, no!

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You know, which some
people can do, but

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I'm also want to cater
to people that don't

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have this fight in
heart ability in them.

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And there's a lot
of people out there

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that have met openly
that they do not want

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to fight, they're
not going to fight.

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And that's what
I've experienced.

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I've spoken to a lot
of people in my family

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and around a lot of
people are just not

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that way inclined.

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And I want to give those
people options as well.

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And even if you are
going to fight and you,

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you're not going to
take a step back, it's

00:23:51.510 --> 00:23:53.300
always better to do
it on your terms, in a

00:23:53.300 --> 00:23:56.390
scenario where you've
got as much information

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about that other
individual as possible.

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And the most important
information you need is

00:24:00.350 --> 00:24:02.570
whether that person's
got a weapon or is

00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:03.890
willing to use a weapon.

00:24:04.760 --> 00:24:06.900
I think that's a
good assessment that

00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:08.850
most people, they
don't want to fight.

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I mean, most law
abiding individuals

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are law abiding
because they don't

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have a background in
criminality or fighting

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or whatever it might be.

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And was it a Colonel
David Grossman?

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He wrote a couple books
on combat and on killing.

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And one of his books,
he says, you know,

00:24:26.310 --> 00:24:29.610
people will fight,
it'll, they'll flight,

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right, they'll take off,

00:24:31.020 --> 00:24:33.179
they'll posture,
or they'll submit.

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And he was referencing
like soldiers

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going out and just,
you know, firing

00:24:39.060 --> 00:24:40.139
rounds, willy nilly.

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And they're, they're a
part of the part of the

00:24:42.239 --> 00:24:43.709
process, but they're
not actually one of

00:24:43.709 --> 00:24:44.459
the true fighters.

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Who's, who's taking
the time to aim those

00:24:46.229 --> 00:24:48.959
rounds and put them
where they count and, um,

00:24:49.649 --> 00:24:50.879
interesting perspective.

00:24:50.879 --> 00:24:54.270
But I do think that,
uh, the majority of the

00:24:54.270 --> 00:24:59.415
people out there uh, will
posture and then submit

00:24:59.445 --> 00:25:02.385
if presented in a, in a
violent confrontation,

00:25:03.074 --> 00:25:06.855
uh, knowing how to
flee, I think is a very

00:25:06.855 --> 00:25:08.264
important aspect to it.

00:25:08.264 --> 00:25:09.465
When to flee,
how to flee.

00:25:09.735 --> 00:25:11.385
Who cares if you're
going to be thought of

00:25:11.655 --> 00:25:13.754
afterwards, what you're
worried about right now

00:25:13.754 --> 00:25:16.725
is your, your own life
and the life of those

00:25:16.725 --> 00:25:18.675
around you and your
personal protection.

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You know, I've, I been,
I've got a background

00:25:25.245 --> 00:25:26.524
in martial arts.

00:25:26.534 --> 00:25:29.205
I used to get in a fair
few fights growing up

00:25:29.205 --> 00:25:32.475
and who was, I think it
was five different high

00:25:32.475 --> 00:25:34.274
schools that I ended
up going through, not

00:25:34.274 --> 00:25:38.595
by choice, but, uh, uh,
just due to the process

00:25:38.595 --> 00:25:41.835
of growing up in a, uh,
adverse environment.

00:25:42.585 --> 00:25:47.475
And, uh, from that
background, people have

00:25:47.475 --> 00:25:49.995
asked me in the past it,
can you put together a

00:25:49.995 --> 00:25:52.035
self-defense course or
a women's self-defense

00:25:52.035 --> 00:25:54.435
course and I've always,
always, always been of

00:25:54.435 --> 00:25:55.695
a very similar mindset.

00:25:56.175 --> 00:25:59.445
My mindset is if there's
somebody who's bigger

00:25:59.445 --> 00:26:01.965
than you, it doesn't
matter what fancy moves

00:26:01.965 --> 00:26:06.975
you know, your odds of
winning that fight have

00:26:06.975 --> 00:26:07.875
greatly diminished.

00:26:08.685 --> 00:26:12.585
Uh, if there's
multiple people and

00:26:12.585 --> 00:26:15.045
you're in a fight with
them, your odds of

00:26:15.045 --> 00:26:16.905
winning that fight are
greatly diminished.

00:26:17.265 --> 00:26:19.425
Uh, if you're putting
together a self-defense

00:26:19.425 --> 00:26:21.975
course for children
or for women, or for

00:26:21.975 --> 00:26:25.425
people who aren't the
big burly people going

00:26:25.425 --> 00:26:27.885
down the streets, I
think your time and

00:26:27.885 --> 00:26:30.765
efforts are way better
served teaching them

00:26:30.795 --> 00:26:32.055
situational awareness.

00:26:32.325 --> 00:26:34.905
Teaching them how to
avoid the confrontation

00:26:34.905 --> 00:26:37.425
before it even happens,
or how to escape a

00:26:37.425 --> 00:26:41.355
situation as opposed
to spending a day

00:26:41.355 --> 00:26:44.805
doing w uh, breaking
out of  wristlocks and

00:26:44.875 --> 00:26:45.855
kneeing in the crotch.

00:26:46.485 --> 00:26:49.155
Um, is, would you
agree with that?

00:26:49.355 --> 00:26:50.645
Yeah, I definitely
agree with that.

00:26:50.705 --> 00:26:53.735
That's pretty much my
whole, um, approach

00:26:53.735 --> 00:26:56.285
to the, to the self
defense industry.

00:26:56.615 --> 00:26:59.165
And there is, obviously
everyone should take some

00:26:59.165 --> 00:27:01.565
time out of their lives
to train in self-defense

00:27:01.565 --> 00:27:03.925
in some sort of martial
art or fighting art.

00:27:04.325 --> 00:27:06.275
And that's very
beneficial for

00:27:06.275 --> 00:27:08.165
everyone to have in
their back pocket.

00:27:08.435 --> 00:27:10.385
But the reality of it
is most people were

00:27:10.385 --> 00:27:11.285
not going to do that.

00:27:11.675 --> 00:27:13.145
A lot of people are
not going to do that.

00:27:13.385 --> 00:27:15.935
So what, what can
the other people do?

00:27:16.295 --> 00:27:18.755
And situation awareness
is a very valuable

00:27:18.755 --> 00:27:22.735
skill that I've used in
my career because when

00:27:22.735 --> 00:27:25.455
I've worked as a close
protection operator or

00:27:25.764 --> 00:27:28.774
bodyguard, uh, all over
Europe and in London

00:27:28.774 --> 00:27:29.735
is where I started.

00:27:30.064 --> 00:27:33.064
We don't have
firearms in London

00:27:33.304 --> 00:27:36.425
and we're tasked with
protecting rich people.

00:27:36.425 --> 00:27:38.385
Sometimes there's,
there's active threats

00:27:38.705 --> 00:27:42.155
and we can't draw a
pistol and get rounds

00:27:42.155 --> 00:27:42.875
down on target.

00:27:43.415 --> 00:27:45.304
Uh, and we're not
even allowed to

00:27:45.304 --> 00:27:47.044
carry knives or any
other sort of weapon.

00:27:47.044 --> 00:27:49.175
Knives in London
is a big deal.

00:27:49.205 --> 00:27:51.034
We have a lot of
knife crime back

00:27:51.034 --> 00:27:52.385
when I was living
there, I was studying

00:27:52.385 --> 00:27:54.125
criminology in London.

00:27:55.195 --> 00:27:58.325
Knife crime was the
big PA epidemic.

00:27:58.625 --> 00:28:01.405
And just carrying a
knife in your pocket

00:28:01.405 --> 00:28:04.945
in London was serving a
mandatory prison sentence

00:28:05.004 --> 00:28:06.754
at the time that I was
at university, then.

00:28:06.754 --> 00:28:06.985
Really?

00:28:07.215 --> 00:28:09.415
Yes, and it's taken
me a while to get out

00:28:09.415 --> 00:28:11.125
of that mindset since
I've been to Canada,

00:28:11.395 --> 00:28:13.465
all the security
operators here carry a

00:28:13.465 --> 00:28:14.845
knife on their pocket.

00:28:14.845 --> 00:28:17.615
And I'm like, I was
very sketchy to ever

00:28:17.615 --> 00:28:18.215
to do that for a while.

00:28:18.235 --> 00:28:18.495
Right.

00:28:18.495 --> 00:28:19.885
Well, because
I don't want to

00:28:19.885 --> 00:28:20.665
get, go to prison.

00:28:20.725 --> 00:28:21.185
No.

00:28:21.565 --> 00:28:23.365
But it's, it's different
in different countries.

00:28:23.365 --> 00:28:26.215
But my nearly my whole
career as a bodyguard,

00:28:26.215 --> 00:28:28.975
I've never had a
firearm to protect

00:28:28.975 --> 00:28:30.205
my principal, my VIP.

00:28:30.205 --> 00:28:32.815
So what do these
professionals use

00:28:32.815 --> 00:28:33.715
in these scenarios?

00:28:33.715 --> 00:28:35.725
And a lot of it is
situation awareness.

00:28:35.845 --> 00:28:38.065
And a lot of the
training I'm given is

00:28:38.425 --> 00:28:41.514
the overarching term
is situation awareness.

00:28:41.514 --> 00:28:43.794
But under that
term, I've injected

00:28:43.794 --> 00:28:46.409
a lot of different
training principles

00:28:46.409 --> 00:28:47.070
that I've learned.

00:28:47.429 --> 00:28:49.950
Which I'm just, because
I also think a lot

00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:51.629
of the traditional
situational awareness

00:28:51.629 --> 00:28:54.360
training is very like
acronym heavy and

00:28:54.360 --> 00:28:58.379
militarized, um, that you
lose people's interest.

00:28:58.379 --> 00:29:00.629
So I'm trying to water
it down to the relevant

00:29:00.629 --> 00:29:02.879
stuff that techniques
that people can use

00:29:02.879 --> 00:29:04.830
when they're walking
from their gym to their

00:29:04.830 --> 00:29:07.590
car, in vulnerable
times of their week.

00:29:08.669 --> 00:29:12.750
Or when they spot a
dodgy guy on the train

00:29:12.750 --> 00:29:15.960
platform um, up ahead
of them on any Tuesday

00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.840
night, because for me and
my family, these are the

00:29:18.840 --> 00:29:21.360
threats that are actually
affecting us every day.

00:29:21.750 --> 00:29:23.520
And I used to live
downtown and there is a

00:29:23.520 --> 00:29:26.790
lot of craziness going
on on the streets and

00:29:27.149 --> 00:29:28.980
a lot of people want
to turn a blind eye.

00:29:29.399 --> 00:29:31.260
Um, and obviously we got
a lot of mental health

00:29:31.290 --> 00:29:33.090
issues and we got a lot
of drug addiction, but

00:29:33.090 --> 00:29:37.200
with those things comes a
lot of crime and a lot of

00:29:37.320 --> 00:29:40.860
outbursts, and I've had
personal experiences in

00:29:40.860 --> 00:29:41.789
the city that I live in.

00:29:41.789 --> 00:29:44.445
Of people clearly with
mental health issues

00:29:44.445 --> 00:29:45.975
and that I feel sorry
for these people,

00:29:46.215 --> 00:29:48.605
but they're, some of
them can be a danger.

00:29:48.665 --> 00:29:51.920
And I saw one particular
incident in 2:00

00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:55.235
PM on a Sunday in
downtown Vancouver

00:29:55.235 --> 00:29:55.955
where I was living.

00:29:56.405 --> 00:29:59.195
I was walking to my
apartment and there

00:29:59.195 --> 00:30:01.725
was a guy about a
hundred meters up

00:30:01.725 --> 00:30:04.155
the street, waving
a knife around, just

00:30:04.155 --> 00:30:05.655
shouting into thin air.

00:30:06.065 --> 00:30:08.065
And he was clearly a
street person, wearing

00:30:08.085 --> 00:30:11.175
street attire, um,
mental health issues,

00:30:11.595 --> 00:30:13.725
drug abuse, clearly.

00:30:14.235 --> 00:30:16.034
That's neither here or
there, there's a man on

00:30:16.034 --> 00:30:18.915
the street with a knife
waving around and I saw

00:30:19.304 --> 00:30:21.645
it was a few seconds
of me stopped, saw it

00:30:21.855 --> 00:30:24.514
looking ahead as you do,
which is a technique that

00:30:24.514 --> 00:30:25.605
I could get into later.

00:30:26.145 --> 00:30:27.645
A lot of people just
stare at the ground

00:30:27.645 --> 00:30:28.274
when they're walking.

00:30:28.605 --> 00:30:31.725
And I saw this man and
I saw other people with

00:30:31.725 --> 00:30:33.645
headphones on walking
towards this man.

00:30:33.915 --> 00:30:34.774
So I ended up.

00:30:34.774 --> 00:30:35.155
Geez.

00:30:35.195 --> 00:30:36.405
Getting my phone, I
was about to call the

00:30:36.405 --> 00:30:38.645
police and all of a
sudden the police arrived

00:30:38.645 --> 00:30:39.395
and they tased him.

00:30:39.395 --> 00:30:40.205
They take him down.

00:30:40.625 --> 00:30:42.395
But how long has that
guy been wandering the

00:30:42.395 --> 00:30:45.004
streets with a knife,
waving it around and

00:30:45.095 --> 00:30:47.045
people were oblivious
to the situation cause

00:30:47.045 --> 00:30:48.605
they're walking around
their own little world

00:30:48.935 --> 00:30:50.625
and they don't realize
the danger until

00:30:50.645 --> 00:30:52.535
it's immediately in
front of their face

00:30:52.775 --> 00:30:53.915
and they're in the.

00:30:54.565 --> 00:30:54.965
Totally.

00:30:55.025 --> 00:30:56.055
In the s.h.i.t.

00:30:56.055 --> 00:30:57.055
You got it.

00:30:57.055 --> 00:30:57.535
You got it.

00:30:57.565 --> 00:30:59.545
Well, everyone figures
it can't happen to me.

00:30:59.545 --> 00:31:01.015
This is what I read
about in the news that

00:31:01.015 --> 00:31:02.065
happens to somebody else.

00:31:02.095 --> 00:31:02.754
Not me.

00:31:02.905 --> 00:31:03.265
Right.

00:31:03.265 --> 00:31:04.045
I'm fine.

00:31:04.135 --> 00:31:05.665
It's never happened
to me before.

00:31:05.665 --> 00:31:07.285
I'm X age old.

00:31:07.795 --> 00:31:08.995
Why would it
happen to me now?

00:31:09.115 --> 00:31:09.355
Yeah.

00:31:10.855 --> 00:31:13.835
But the issue is, those
people in the news

00:31:13.855 --> 00:31:16.105
could be you and it
can happen to anybody

00:31:16.135 --> 00:31:19.915
and being situationally
aware, I think is a,

00:31:20.545 --> 00:31:25.435
uh, that's a skill set
that I think is kind of

00:31:25.435 --> 00:31:27.025
lost in today's society.

00:31:27.055 --> 00:31:28.585
I mean, everyone's got
their cell phones out and

00:31:28.585 --> 00:31:32.250
they got their heads down
in there and the whole

00:31:32.250 --> 00:31:34.020
idea of safe spaces.

00:31:34.020 --> 00:31:38.040
And there's, there seems
to be a disassociation

00:31:38.040 --> 00:31:40.980
between the reality
of what can happen out

00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:43.050
there, for whatever
reason, good people

00:31:43.050 --> 00:31:45.870
having a bad day, mental
health, drugs, bad

00:31:45.870 --> 00:31:48.000
people doing bad things,
whatever it might be,

00:31:48.690 --> 00:31:49.560
that's just reality.

00:31:49.560 --> 00:31:51.389
And it always has
been, I think there's

00:31:51.389 --> 00:31:53.460
a disassociation
between that a reality

00:31:53.490 --> 00:31:56.790
and how people figure
the world should be.

00:31:57.060 --> 00:31:57.360
Yeah.

00:31:57.570 --> 00:31:59.970
Um, yeah.

00:32:00.629 --> 00:32:03.330
So corporate spy.

00:32:03.540 --> 00:32:03.929
Yeah.

00:32:04.020 --> 00:32:04.889
Tell me about this.

00:32:04.950 --> 00:32:07.730
I just think James
Bond type stuff, a

00:32:07.730 --> 00:32:09.120
British accent spy.

00:32:09.149 --> 00:32:11.210
This was actually the
profession that gave

00:32:11.210 --> 00:32:14.070
me the most enjoyment
and uh, it's also

00:32:14.090 --> 00:32:15.530
the profession that
I had to sign the

00:32:15.530 --> 00:32:18.020
most non-disclosure
agreements around.

00:32:19.100 --> 00:32:20.270
I can talk about
some things.

00:32:20.580 --> 00:32:24.230
Basically I was paid
by rich people to spy

00:32:24.230 --> 00:32:25.520
on other rich people.

00:32:25.909 --> 00:32:29.040
And spying on people
it's, it wasn't a

00:32:29.040 --> 00:32:31.110
private investigator
sort of setting.

00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:33.330
It was a team of
us and we were all

00:32:33.330 --> 00:32:36.060
ex military or ex
intelligence agencies.

00:32:36.090 --> 00:32:39.600
So we were doing, taken
our skill sets into the

00:32:39.600 --> 00:32:42.600
private sector and we
were doing some things

00:32:42.600 --> 00:32:45.180
in London and across
Europe that were in the

00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:47.070
gray areas of the law.

00:32:47.100 --> 00:32:48.870
And it is a gray, it's
not illegal, it's not.

00:32:49.110 --> 00:32:49.440
Right.

00:32:49.570 --> 00:32:51.960
It was, we don't have
surveillance, um,

00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:53.610
licenses in the UK.

00:32:53.610 --> 00:32:56.895
So it was very
interesting.

00:32:56.925 --> 00:32:59.235
And I sat back and
I watched a lot of

00:32:59.235 --> 00:33:00.855
people and I followed
a lot of people.

00:33:00.855 --> 00:33:04.245
And in this profession
I also saw how oblivious

00:33:04.245 --> 00:33:06.334
to their surroundings
most people are, again.

00:33:06.405 --> 00:33:06.735
Oh yeah.

00:33:06.754 --> 00:33:10.445
Cause yeah, some people
we could follow for six

00:33:10.445 --> 00:33:13.895
months, every day on the
same routes and no idea.

00:33:14.345 --> 00:33:16.935
And some people, we
would actually put

00:33:16.935 --> 00:33:19.304
on some tasks where
that individual had

00:33:19.304 --> 00:33:21.135
designed bodyguard
team, close protection

00:33:21.135 --> 00:33:21.855
team around them.

00:33:22.245 --> 00:33:24.885
So you can imagine how
hard it is to surveil

00:33:24.885 --> 00:33:27.315
and follow someone
who's has a team of

00:33:27.315 --> 00:33:29.865
dedicated professionals
to look out for you

00:33:30.405 --> 00:33:32.504
and not let you exploit
information from them.

00:33:32.774 --> 00:33:35.145
Because that was the
commodity our clients

00:33:35.145 --> 00:33:36.735
would want to know
what they were up

00:33:36.735 --> 00:33:38.264
to, or they'd want
to know any illegal

00:33:38.264 --> 00:33:39.975
activities that they
were getting involved in.

00:33:40.034 --> 00:33:42.195
Or sometimes they
would want a lot of

00:33:42.195 --> 00:33:44.475
information, which
was hard to get from

00:33:44.475 --> 00:33:45.675
just taking pictures.

00:33:45.675 --> 00:33:48.885
So we'd have to get very
close to our, our targets

00:33:48.945 --> 00:33:51.585
and, uh, we'd have to
do some things that were

00:33:52.264 --> 00:33:54.465
kind of in the world of
James Bond, to be honest.

00:33:54.465 --> 00:33:55.035
Very cool.

00:33:55.105 --> 00:33:56.705
Very interesting stuff.

00:33:56.705 --> 00:33:58.715
And there's a lot of
technical capabilities

00:33:58.745 --> 00:34:01.325
that are around on the
private, in the private

00:34:01.345 --> 00:34:03.805
sector that we think
that governments only

00:34:03.805 --> 00:34:05.065
have that ability.

00:34:05.065 --> 00:34:06.565
And this is something
else that I'm trying

00:34:06.565 --> 00:34:09.175
to say on my social
media, because yep.

00:34:09.415 --> 00:34:10.884
The governments are
able to do certain

00:34:10.884 --> 00:34:13.755
stuff with electronics,
private entities that

00:34:13.755 --> 00:34:15.594
are allowed to able to
do certain stuff with

00:34:15.594 --> 00:34:18.235
electronics, but now
criminal organizations

00:34:18.235 --> 00:34:20.154
are getting those
capabilities as well.

00:34:20.545 --> 00:34:23.034
Personal privacy
and safeguarding our

00:34:23.395 --> 00:34:26.185
electrical devices is
a big thing for me.

00:34:26.185 --> 00:34:28.735
And I like to advocate
for that as well.

00:34:29.685 --> 00:34:31.154
Well, people don't
realize how much

00:34:31.185 --> 00:34:33.375
information is just
publicly available.

00:34:33.404 --> 00:34:35.775
I mean, I'll
give an example.

00:34:35.804 --> 00:34:38.775
I've got a, a trip
coming up in a couple

00:34:38.775 --> 00:34:40.725
of weeks where I've
got an older whitewater

00:34:40.725 --> 00:34:43.725
raft, a local search
and rescues loaning a

00:34:43.784 --> 00:34:44.835
rowing frame for it.

00:34:44.895 --> 00:34:46.605
And we're going to take
it down the fraser river.

00:34:46.975 --> 00:34:47.295
Oh nice.

00:34:47.295 --> 00:34:48.884
And camp at a
couple of spots.

00:34:48.915 --> 00:34:52.605
And then, um, just hunt
general open sheep.

00:34:52.755 --> 00:34:56.625
Um, but there's some
concern about where we're

00:34:56.625 --> 00:34:57.915
putting the raft in.

00:34:58.335 --> 00:35:01.185
And the concern is, is
that the property owner

00:35:01.185 --> 00:35:03.825
sometimes doesn't let
people on or the gates

00:35:03.825 --> 00:35:05.295
close and we want to make
sure we're dotting our

00:35:05.295 --> 00:35:06.555
I's and crossing our T's.

00:35:07.095 --> 00:35:08.985
And they can't quite
find where this

00:35:08.985 --> 00:35:09.884
property owner is.

00:35:10.065 --> 00:35:15.435
So uh, anyways, I,
uh, a friend texts

00:35:15.435 --> 00:35:17.174
over, he says, well,
here's the PID for

00:35:17.174 --> 00:35:18.255
the, uh, the property.

00:35:18.255 --> 00:35:20.924
It's just clearly listed
on the, uh, just open

00:35:20.924 --> 00:35:22.634
source on, on BC maps.

00:35:23.115 --> 00:35:25.875
I go into BC online
and he can pull up who

00:35:25.875 --> 00:35:27.345
the owner is of it.

00:35:27.465 --> 00:35:28.845
And then you can go
into the corporate

00:35:28.845 --> 00:35:30.705
registry because it's
associated with a

00:35:30.705 --> 00:35:33.555
corporate, a corporation
and it shows who's

00:35:33.555 --> 00:35:34.755
associated with those.

00:35:34.755 --> 00:35:35.805
And then you can go
into the personal

00:35:35.805 --> 00:35:36.674
property registry.

00:35:36.705 --> 00:35:39.194
These are all free tools
that people can use, that

00:35:39.194 --> 00:35:41.085
I can see the vehicles
that this person has

00:35:41.085 --> 00:35:43.005
taken leases out on
and all the different

00:35:43.424 --> 00:35:45.825
and stuff, and finally
were able to find,

00:35:45.915 --> 00:35:47.775
okay, we've got enough
information on this.

00:35:47.775 --> 00:35:49.215
The only one thing
we really wanted was

00:35:49.215 --> 00:35:50.865
like a phone number
and email address.

00:35:50.865 --> 00:35:52.245
So we could say, Hey,
can we put our boat

00:35:52.245 --> 00:35:53.265
in at your location?

00:35:53.835 --> 00:35:55.424
And now we could have to
approach this person in

00:35:55.424 --> 00:35:57.944
a way that doesn't sound
too creepy, how we found

00:35:57.944 --> 00:35:58.665
all that information.

00:35:58.665 --> 00:36:01.485
But it is publicly,
openly accessible.

00:36:01.965 --> 00:36:07.545
I, and I find through
social media and social

00:36:07.545 --> 00:36:09.885
profiling, I remember
I was in a law firm one

00:36:09.885 --> 00:36:13.215
time and they had a,
uh, uh, an investigator

00:36:13.215 --> 00:36:14.475
in there and they were
trying to find some

00:36:14.475 --> 00:36:15.795
information on somebody.

00:36:15.825 --> 00:36:17.985
And well, the
investigator was having

00:36:17.985 --> 00:36:19.785
a conversation with
them saying, oh, we

00:36:19.785 --> 00:36:20.895
can't find this person.

00:36:21.435 --> 00:36:24.975
I'm just pulled up
Facebook and said,

00:36:24.975 --> 00:36:27.915
well, in Squamish,
her daughter has piano

00:36:27.915 --> 00:36:29.265
lessons on this date.

00:36:29.445 --> 00:36:30.825
Have you thought about
going over at this

00:36:30.825 --> 00:36:32.835
day and time and, and
serving them then?

00:36:32.835 --> 00:36:33.105
Right.

00:36:33.105 --> 00:36:37.845
And, uh, the, the
idea of people having

00:36:37.845 --> 00:36:43.665
privacy is, um, in
some ways laughable

00:36:43.665 --> 00:36:46.165
because peoples tend to
readily give it up and.

00:36:49.390 --> 00:36:53.850
Uh, I guess under the,
uh, privacy standpoint,

00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:55.319
there's two ways
you can go about it.

00:36:55.319 --> 00:36:57.270
You can either age,
just like have nothing

00:36:57.509 --> 00:37:00.569
online or B you can
just inundate it with a

00:37:00.569 --> 00:37:02.339
whole ton of information
that people like.

00:37:02.339 --> 00:37:03.660
Oh, which one's
real, which one?

00:37:03.660 --> 00:37:03.930
Isn't.

00:37:04.589 --> 00:37:06.720
Uh, what, what's your
approach to staying

00:37:06.720 --> 00:37:08.490
safe with information?

00:37:09.830 --> 00:37:11.750
Social media is the
big one and we used

00:37:11.750 --> 00:37:13.250
it every day, a lot.

00:37:13.250 --> 00:37:16.370
And one time actually,
we were following

00:37:16.370 --> 00:37:18.170
a target for a long
amount of time.

00:37:18.259 --> 00:37:21.500
And one day he comes out
of his residence with

00:37:21.560 --> 00:37:23.569
a carry on suitcase.

00:37:23.569 --> 00:37:25.339
So we think, okay,
we're going for

00:37:25.339 --> 00:37:26.180
a long day here.

00:37:26.810 --> 00:37:28.310
Uh, so we follow him.

00:37:28.370 --> 00:37:31.730
He gets on a bus, um, we
have different vehicle.

00:37:31.770 --> 00:37:33.410
We have vehicles and
foot surveillance,

00:37:33.410 --> 00:37:35.120
I was typically foot
surveillance and I was a

00:37:35.120 --> 00:37:36.170
team leader at this time.

00:37:36.290 --> 00:37:38.359
So we get on a bus
and we have to have

00:37:38.359 --> 00:37:39.649
a person on that bus.

00:37:40.069 --> 00:37:42.379
Um, so one of the team
members on there, he

00:37:42.379 --> 00:37:44.270
goes on the bus, gets
off the bus, goes into

00:37:44.270 --> 00:37:46.940
the underground train
station, subway, we call

00:37:46.940 --> 00:37:47.899
it the tube in London.

00:37:48.319 --> 00:37:50.690
It gets on the tube,
it goes two stops and

00:37:50.690 --> 00:37:52.759
then there's a, like
a tube work, so he

00:37:52.759 --> 00:37:53.600
has to get out off.

00:37:53.600 --> 00:37:55.970
So he comes out of there,
gets in a taxi and then

00:37:55.970 --> 00:37:58.460
he takes his taxi all
the way out of London,

00:37:58.879 --> 00:38:00.379
uh, to an airport.

00:38:00.620 --> 00:38:03.420
Um, he actually takes
it to a train station

00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:04.920
on the outskirts of
London and then gets on

00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.260
an overground train and
goes to an airport on

00:38:07.260 --> 00:38:08.550
the outside of London.

00:38:08.850 --> 00:38:10.440
And we're following
him this whole time

00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:13.350
and I'm like one of
the leads and I've just

00:38:13.350 --> 00:38:15.210
got a little bag and
wearing my clothes.

00:38:15.210 --> 00:38:17.190
And it was just a little
bag of a few bit, little

00:38:17.190 --> 00:38:18.150
bits and bobs in there.

00:38:18.750 --> 00:38:21.000
Um, and we always
carry our passports.

00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.570
So on the way to the
airport, the people in

00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:26.700
the office and other
people were doing like

00:38:26.700 --> 00:38:29.760
the technical support are
trying to get me tickets

00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:30.780
on certain flights.

00:38:31.200 --> 00:38:34.410
Um, in the end we find
what flight he's on, we

00:38:34.560 --> 00:38:37.680
get me on that flight and
I fly on the same plane.

00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:39.990
We ended up going to
a Spanish island and

00:38:39.990 --> 00:38:44.520
then, yeah and then
I'm over there in a

00:38:44.520 --> 00:38:46.290
hotel following him.

00:38:46.290 --> 00:38:47.970
And then I have some
downtime when he's in

00:38:47.970 --> 00:38:49.860
his hotel and we get
on Facebook and looking

00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:51.990
through what is he doing
over here to dah, dah,

00:38:51.990 --> 00:38:55.150
dah, and something he'd
liked to say, uh, uh,

00:38:55.170 --> 00:38:57.660
music artists a couple
of years before he'd

00:38:57.720 --> 00:38:59.700
liked one of their posts.

00:39:00.090 --> 00:39:04.200
And that artist just
happened to be playing

00:39:04.230 --> 00:39:07.410
at a local nightclub
at the, at the time.

00:39:07.410 --> 00:39:09.710
So we predicted that he
was goingthere and we

00:39:09.710 --> 00:39:12.075
recorded it and then we
ended up seeing him in

00:39:12.075 --> 00:39:13.785
there photographing him
there, doing some things

00:39:13.785 --> 00:39:14.964
he shouldn't have been
doing, and that was a

00:39:15.255 --> 00:39:16.575
successful operation.

00:39:16.714 --> 00:39:17.134
Right.

00:39:17.165 --> 00:39:20.255
But just the fact
of, he just liked

00:39:20.315 --> 00:39:21.865
one post a long time.

00:39:22.565 --> 00:39:25.174
And that's what brought
us on to where he was.

00:39:25.535 --> 00:39:27.605
Uh, but people give up
a lot of information.

00:39:27.605 --> 00:39:30.365
It's not just like, it's
also in the background

00:39:30.365 --> 00:39:31.115
of pictures and stuff.

00:39:31.115 --> 00:39:33.065
So I would say,
keep your friends.

00:39:33.065 --> 00:39:34.745
There's no reason unless
you're trying to promote

00:39:34.745 --> 00:39:37.174
a business to keep
your Instagram open to

00:39:37.174 --> 00:39:40.055
any friends, to reach
out, to contact you.

00:39:40.055 --> 00:39:41.404
If you know the
person, then you should

00:39:41.404 --> 00:39:43.924
accept them and also
Facebook as well.

00:39:44.285 --> 00:39:46.085
Uh, but once your
information is out

00:39:46.085 --> 00:39:48.154
there, like when I joined
special forces, I had

00:39:48.154 --> 00:39:51.785
to email a few places
to get my, I'll ad some

00:39:51.785 --> 00:39:54.484
news articles from when
I was in the Marines and

00:39:54.484 --> 00:39:57.005
stuff, uh, that my face
and name was attached

00:39:57.005 --> 00:39:58.535
to, I had to get them
to wipe that down.

00:39:58.535 --> 00:40:01.144
But they couldn't wipe
it down completely.

00:40:01.304 --> 00:40:01.614
Right.

00:40:01.614 --> 00:40:03.154
It's not able to be done.

00:40:03.154 --> 00:40:05.075
So once it's out there,
it's out there and it's

00:40:05.075 --> 00:40:07.115
hard to retract anything.

00:40:07.964 --> 00:40:10.605
You know, the, the other
thing that I found was,

00:40:10.815 --> 00:40:14.325
uh, the friend list
that the people will

00:40:14.325 --> 00:40:15.855
have to like Facebook.

00:40:15.855 --> 00:40:17.775
You can have the option
of other people, not

00:40:17.775 --> 00:40:19.875
seeing your friend list
while even if you're

00:40:19.875 --> 00:40:22.785
really diligent about
not putting out any

00:40:22.785 --> 00:40:25.634
personal information
or doxing yourself,

00:40:26.685 --> 00:40:27.464
your friends might.

00:40:27.825 --> 00:40:30.825
And that was how actually
on this one woman,

00:40:30.825 --> 00:40:32.234
cause I was there for
a completely separate

00:40:32.234 --> 00:40:33.915
matter, I was doing some
consulting for the law

00:40:33.915 --> 00:40:38.265
firm and, uh, that was
how we found that the

00:40:38.294 --> 00:40:40.634
kids having piano lessons
out of a certain time and

00:40:40.634 --> 00:40:43.125
it wasn't because of this
person saying anything

00:40:43.125 --> 00:40:44.955
on their own lists, but
you just start clicking

00:40:44.955 --> 00:40:46.754
through their friends
and seeing where they

00:40:46.754 --> 00:40:47.874
reference things and.

00:40:47.874 --> 00:40:48.194
Yeah.

00:40:48.475 --> 00:40:50.765
And that's usually the
weak link is family

00:40:50.765 --> 00:40:51.754
members, to be honest.

00:40:51.875 --> 00:40:52.265
Yeah.

00:40:52.294 --> 00:40:52.654
Yeah.

00:40:52.685 --> 00:40:55.265
And even if they're
closed accounts, if

00:40:55.265 --> 00:40:57.245
you manage to become a
friend with some of this,

00:40:57.245 --> 00:40:59.044
and then you're in to
that circle, you know

00:40:59.044 --> 00:41:01.384
everything that's going
on because no matter

00:41:01.384 --> 00:41:03.694
how security minded
you are, then it's the

00:41:03.694 --> 00:41:06.260
people around you and
not going to keep up

00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:07.460
that level of security.

00:41:07.490 --> 00:41:08.990
So they are
the weak links.

00:41:09.500 --> 00:41:10.880
It's like, why is
this really attractive

00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.140
woman wanting to
friend me on Facebook?

00:41:13.550 --> 00:41:14.770
Okay.

00:41:15.060 --> 00:41:16.640
Great, got access
to everything now.

00:41:16.670 --> 00:41:17.150
Right.

00:41:18.740 --> 00:41:19.370
That's the joke.

00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:20.510
But that does happen.

00:41:20.510 --> 00:41:20.690
Yes.

00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:21.530
Oh, it does.

00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:27.340
You know, I've got a
friend who works for a

00:41:27.340 --> 00:41:31.180
company and they set geo
fences up around, uh,

00:41:31.270 --> 00:41:33.640
schools and institutions.

00:41:33.670 --> 00:41:36.970
And it's kinda like
a, pre-crime what they

00:41:36.970 --> 00:41:41.320
do is they look at pre
digital occurrences that

00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:44.350
follow a trend for, let's
say, school violence

00:41:44.350 --> 00:41:45.310
or school shootings.

00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:46.990
And he travels all
over the world and

00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:48.520
lectures on this.

00:41:48.520 --> 00:41:53.650
And, but I just, through
the digital algorithms

00:41:53.650 --> 00:41:56.230
that people are posting
and how they're posting

00:41:56.230 --> 00:41:58.600
and the frequency and
the content of what

00:41:58.600 --> 00:41:59.320
they're putting out.

00:41:59.955 --> 00:42:03.435
Uh, they're able to
successfully mitigate

00:42:03.495 --> 00:42:07.665
violence in, uh, in
social settings, which

00:42:07.665 --> 00:42:10.365
is, which is, and he's
been doing it for years.

00:42:10.365 --> 00:42:12.185
This isn't something
that's new and

00:42:12.194 --> 00:42:13.035
it's kind of crazy.

00:42:13.275 --> 00:42:13.515
Yeah.

00:42:13.515 --> 00:42:14.745
That's interesting,
actually.

00:42:14.835 --> 00:42:15.194
Yeah.

00:42:15.825 --> 00:42:18.915
So it's, um, uh, one
way that they're able

00:42:18.915 --> 00:42:23.325
to, uh, just put a pin
in, let's say a school

00:42:23.325 --> 00:42:26.595
shooting or a violent
situation like that,

00:42:27.285 --> 00:42:30.165
and confront individuals
and get to the bottom

00:42:30.165 --> 00:42:32.475
of things before it even
becomes an issue, which

00:42:32.475 --> 00:42:35.865
is, uh, kind of, kind
of in line, but just in

00:42:35.865 --> 00:42:38.145
a digital way with the
situational awareness,

00:42:38.145 --> 00:42:40.214
how can we take a
look around at all the

00:42:40.214 --> 00:42:41.265
information that we have?

00:42:41.895 --> 00:42:43.904
Why is that person got
his hands in his pockets?

00:42:43.904 --> 00:42:45.255
Why aren't they
making eye contact?

00:42:45.255 --> 00:42:46.995
Why are they making
excessive eye contact?

00:42:47.025 --> 00:42:48.404
Why are they dressed
like in the, in the

00:42:48.404 --> 00:42:49.214
way that they are?

00:42:49.455 --> 00:42:49.755
Yeah.

00:42:49.964 --> 00:42:53.055
Uh, what, what sort of,
uh, what, what are some

00:42:53.055 --> 00:42:55.995
of the top tips that you
find that people find

00:42:55.995 --> 00:42:57.464
the most useful that.

00:42:58.935 --> 00:43:01.305
The most useful is
the most basic stuff

00:43:01.335 --> 00:43:03.405
really is like stay
away from distractions.

00:43:03.855 --> 00:43:05.955
But there's one thing
that I've pushed quite

00:43:05.955 --> 00:43:07.545
hard because I think
it's very important.

00:43:07.815 --> 00:43:09.615
There's a fine line
between situation

00:43:09.615 --> 00:43:11.505
awareness and being
a bit paranoid.

00:43:12.045 --> 00:43:13.234
I am a bit paranoid.

00:43:13.234 --> 00:43:13.394
Sure.

00:43:13.504 --> 00:43:15.315
I do admit that, but
I have been in some

00:43:15.315 --> 00:43:18.255
circles that mean
that these, I can have

00:43:18.255 --> 00:43:20.235
some risks, but yeah.

00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.340
One of the main things
is recognizing when

00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:25.680
you're at a vulnerable
time and everybody

00:43:25.680 --> 00:43:27.540
has these vulnerable
points of their week.

00:43:27.570 --> 00:43:29.940
That for my, for me,
for instances, when

00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:32.610
I leave my MMA gym,
uh, around 9:00 PM

00:43:32.610 --> 00:43:34.380
and it's in Chinatown,
it's quite a rough part

00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:36.420
of town and I have to
walk to the bus stop.

00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.040
And nowadays I walk
to the parking lot,

00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:38.970
a couple of blocks.

00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:41.820
Uh, during that time
I am switching on,

00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:43.830
I call it, switch on
to your environment

00:43:44.190 --> 00:43:47.280
and I am checking my
surroundings in a certain

00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:48.090
techniques to do that.

00:43:48.120 --> 00:43:49.590
But I'm also putting
my phone away.

00:43:49.590 --> 00:43:51.720
I'm not listening to
music on my headphones.

00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:53.600
I love to walk around
and listen to music

00:43:53.600 --> 00:43:55.350
or podcasts, but
there's a time and

00:43:55.350 --> 00:43:56.100
a place to do that.

00:43:56.100 --> 00:43:58.050
And as a time and a
place to prioritize

00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:00.570
paying attention to
your environment.

00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.710
And also there's also
a lot of training that

00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:09.585
I give, which is based
around how, how to

00:44:09.585 --> 00:44:12.105
act to act naturally
in an environment.

00:44:12.435 --> 00:44:14.475
Cause there's this whole
thing around situation

00:44:14.475 --> 00:44:15.675
awareness is two fold.

00:44:15.705 --> 00:44:17.245
First of all, it's
the detection of

00:44:17.245 --> 00:44:18.795
threats, which is
an important thing.

00:44:18.795 --> 00:44:20.175
The earlier you can
detect a threat, the

00:44:20.175 --> 00:44:22.365
more time you have to
think and act on what

00:44:22.365 --> 00:44:23.625
to do and avoid it.

00:44:23.625 --> 00:44:25.155
If you detect it
very early than the

00:44:25.155 --> 00:44:27.015
avoidance tactic could
be crossing the street

00:44:27.435 --> 00:44:29.205
and not even having to
walk past this person.

00:44:29.325 --> 00:44:29.595
Right.

00:44:29.625 --> 00:44:32.325
Um, but this, the second
element to situation

00:44:32.325 --> 00:44:34.365
awareness, which I'm
very much pushing, quite

00:44:34.365 --> 00:44:38.279
hard is the way that
you're perceived by bad

00:44:38.279 --> 00:44:39.990
guys or criminals when
you're on the street,

00:44:40.350 --> 00:44:42.990
because there's a lot
of studies and there's

00:44:42.990 --> 00:44:44.819
one in particular called
the Grace and Steen

00:44:44.819 --> 00:44:48.819
study from 1981 where
they'd two researchers

00:44:48.839 --> 00:44:52.380
in America took, um,
some video tape of a busy

00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:54.740
New York intersection
of just random

00:44:54.740 --> 00:44:55.700
people walking about.

00:44:56.120 --> 00:44:58.130
And then they took
that videotape into a

00:44:58.130 --> 00:45:00.560
federal penitentiary
and they selected the

00:45:00.560 --> 00:45:03.569
most hardcore human
prejudice, like rapists.

00:45:03.749 --> 00:45:03.939
Right.

00:45:03.939 --> 00:45:06.470
Violent sorts,
um, murderers.

00:45:06.500 --> 00:45:08.210
And these people were
selected because they,

00:45:08.430 --> 00:45:10.850
their crimes had been on
members of the public.

00:45:10.850 --> 00:45:12.860
They weren't gang
related the crimes.

00:45:12.860 --> 00:45:14.930
So they're the perfect
test subjects for this.

00:45:15.319 --> 00:45:16.970
And they showed this
video tape to these

00:45:16.970 --> 00:45:20.240
inmates, and then they
wanted to know who they

00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:23.420
would select as victims
and the researchers as

00:45:23.420 --> 00:45:25.850
with everyone else had
an opinion, oh, they're

00:45:25.850 --> 00:45:27.799
going to select, most
people think women.

00:45:28.339 --> 00:45:30.200
Um, but actually
that wasn't true.

00:45:30.470 --> 00:45:32.509
They started selecting
people and it

00:45:32.509 --> 00:45:33.430
was quite random.

00:45:33.609 --> 00:45:35.169
First of all, they
didn't realize, didn't

00:45:35.169 --> 00:45:36.310
really understand why.

00:45:36.310 --> 00:45:38.529
So they analyze the
data more thoroughly

00:45:38.799 --> 00:45:40.600
and they found that
this, the way that

00:45:40.600 --> 00:45:43.629
people carry themselves
is a major factor in

00:45:43.629 --> 00:45:44.770
why they are selected.

00:45:45.100 --> 00:45:48.100
And if you look weak and
vulnerable, then you pose

00:45:48.109 --> 00:45:50.560
less risks, risks to an
attacker, so you're more

00:45:50.560 --> 00:45:53.859
likely to be chosen or
selected as a victim.

00:45:54.189 --> 00:45:57.580
If you can appear
confident and in your

00:45:57.580 --> 00:45:59.290
environment like you
belong there, you have

00:45:59.290 --> 00:46:00.189
a reason to be there.

00:46:00.649 --> 00:46:03.370
We always say the
people in the try and

00:46:03.370 --> 00:46:05.439
act like the others in
the environment, the

00:46:05.439 --> 00:46:07.209
people who are actually
native there, who

00:46:07.209 --> 00:46:09.970
actually lived there
all the time, insiders.

00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:11.950
There's a big difference
being between being an

00:46:11.979 --> 00:46:14.439
insider and outsider,
if you can appear

00:46:14.439 --> 00:46:15.459
like an insider.

00:46:15.729 --> 00:46:17.410
And that means that
you conform to the

00:46:17.740 --> 00:46:20.259
normal behaviors and
cloven patterns of

00:46:20.259 --> 00:46:22.450
the area, you're less
likely to be targeted

00:46:22.810 --> 00:46:26.685
because there's, there's
more risks associated

00:46:26.685 --> 00:46:28.815
with being an insider
or being confident.

00:46:29.295 --> 00:46:32.445
And one of my things is
just, you don't have to

00:46:32.445 --> 00:46:34.995
be the biggest fiercest
lion on the plane.

00:46:34.995 --> 00:46:37.035
You just not to have
to appear to be the

00:46:37.035 --> 00:46:37.995
weakest gazelle.

00:46:38.325 --> 00:46:40.245
And if you're in a
crowd of people, when

00:46:40.245 --> 00:46:42.615
someone's looking to
rob, stick someone up

00:46:42.615 --> 00:46:46.485
for an iPhone, you don't
have to be a hard street

00:46:46.485 --> 00:46:49.035
fight in person Krav
Maga black belt, but

00:46:49.035 --> 00:46:51.525
you just have to appear
not to be like frail

00:46:51.525 --> 00:46:52.845
and weak and nervous.

00:46:52.905 --> 00:46:53.235
Right.

00:46:53.715 --> 00:46:55.545
And changing
that perception.

00:46:55.545 --> 00:46:57.225
And a lot of that is
fake it till you make it.

00:46:57.665 --> 00:46:59.195
And a lot of the
professions I've been

00:46:59.195 --> 00:47:01.205
in, I've been around
people that are really

00:47:01.505 --> 00:47:03.315
faking it and you
can see through it.

00:47:03.315 --> 00:47:05.435
But when you're younger,
you kind of don't really

00:47:05.435 --> 00:47:06.215
see through it but.

00:47:06.425 --> 00:47:07.115
Yeah.

00:47:07.205 --> 00:47:08.945
If you're not confident
in yourself, then the

00:47:08.955 --> 00:47:11.520
certain techniques that
I teach in my course,

00:47:11.850 --> 00:47:13.920
uh, that can make you
appear like, you know

00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:15.630
what you're doing, you
know where you are and

00:47:15.630 --> 00:47:17.260
you're not faced by
these other threats

00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:18.390
that around in the area.

00:47:18.750 --> 00:47:20.130
And in big, one of
that is actually

00:47:20.130 --> 00:47:22.320
addressing threats early
and not shying away

00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:23.190
and trying to avoid.

00:47:23.490 --> 00:47:26.460
If you're forced to walk
past a, a person up ahead

00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:29.310
of you on the street,
who is a threat profile,

00:47:29.730 --> 00:47:31.650
uh, maybe this person
has decided, right, I'm

00:47:31.650 --> 00:47:34.050
going to rob you and
you don't know that yet.

00:47:34.110 --> 00:47:35.550
You're going to walk
past that person.

00:47:36.210 --> 00:47:40.170
You have to, let's say,
you, if they've already

00:47:40.170 --> 00:47:41.850
decided that they're
going to Rob you, what's

00:47:41.850 --> 00:47:45.030
the harm in giving them
the brief bit of eye

00:47:45.030 --> 00:47:47.160
contact to show that
you're aware of them

00:47:47.160 --> 00:47:49.470
and you're not fazed and
then continue walking.

00:47:50.279 --> 00:47:53.609
The the opposite side
to that is you shy

00:47:53.609 --> 00:47:55.859
away, you look at the
ground and you close

00:47:55.859 --> 00:47:58.230
in on yourself and
you hope for the best.

00:47:58.740 --> 00:48:00.540
That's not in my
experience, the way

00:48:00.540 --> 00:48:02.399
to get out of that
situation unscaved.

00:48:02.879 --> 00:48:04.649
To address the threat
early and you don't

00:48:04.649 --> 00:48:06.870
have to go guns blazing,
but to show that you're

00:48:06.870 --> 00:48:09.240
confident, just looking
at them eye contact,

00:48:09.240 --> 00:48:12.480
and then look ahead at
head, eye level to where

00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:13.140
you're about to go.

00:48:13.140 --> 00:48:15.720
It shows that you are
not an easy victim.

00:48:15.720 --> 00:48:17.189
You're not phased
by them being there.

00:48:17.549 --> 00:48:19.529
And if you don't look
like an easy victim,

00:48:19.529 --> 00:48:21.569
then maybe you're not the
ideal victim type that

00:48:21.569 --> 00:48:22.259
they are looking for.

00:48:23.689 --> 00:48:27.080
I've always found that
eye contact is such

00:48:27.140 --> 00:48:28.250
a delicate tightrope.

00:48:28.850 --> 00:48:30.230
You don't make
eye contact.

00:48:30.290 --> 00:48:31.339
Okay, soft target.

00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:31.790
Yeah.

00:48:32.149 --> 00:48:33.589
You make too
much eye contact.

00:48:33.620 --> 00:48:34.549
Okay, threat.

00:48:34.819 --> 00:48:35.149
Right.

00:48:35.180 --> 00:48:38.990
And like I'm, I'm
6'6", 250 pounds

00:48:39.140 --> 00:48:40.560
and I think when I.

00:48:42.225 --> 00:48:44.845
In my early twenties,
I was 6'6", 225

00:48:44.865 --> 00:48:45.375
pounds, right.

00:48:45.375 --> 00:48:47.384
So not, not a heck of
a lot of fluctuation.

00:48:47.384 --> 00:48:49.245
I could probably lose
a couple of pounds.

00:48:49.964 --> 00:48:51.725
Maybe it's muscle,
I'll tell  myself that.

00:48:52.855 --> 00:48:53.384
Weighs more.

00:48:53.504 --> 00:48:54.044
There you go.

00:48:54.315 --> 00:49:00.585
Um, but I found in
a bar situation, I

00:49:00.585 --> 00:49:02.714
would think, and most
people would think, I'm

00:49:02.714 --> 00:49:04.544
the last person that
somebody would want

00:49:04.544 --> 00:49:07.035
to go up and have an
altercation with because

00:49:07.335 --> 00:49:08.535
I'm a bigger guy, right.

00:49:09.705 --> 00:49:11.984
But time and time
again, I always found,

00:49:12.044 --> 00:49:14.355
I was almost always,
growing up, through

00:49:14.355 --> 00:49:16.995
elementary, through high
school, through a young

00:49:16.995 --> 00:49:20.055
adulthood, the first
person that people always

00:49:20.055 --> 00:49:22.815
wanted to go up and
prove their metal against

00:49:22.845 --> 00:49:26.865
or to push, to see how
far I would push back.

00:49:26.895 --> 00:49:30.705
And I've always had
very good containment.

00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:33.180
Up until a certain point.

00:49:35.190 --> 00:49:36.000
But, um.

00:49:36.390 --> 00:49:38.270
Yeah, from my
perspective, if I was

00:49:38.270 --> 00:49:39.800
to walk into a bar,
this is something

00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:40.730
that's ingrained in me.

00:49:40.940 --> 00:49:43.670
I do size people up to
think who is the biggest

00:49:43.670 --> 00:49:44.990
threat and there are
certain indicators that

00:49:44.990 --> 00:49:48.530
I look for in someone's
facial features and the

00:49:48.530 --> 00:49:50.420
shape of their nose, the
scar tissue around their

00:49:50.420 --> 00:49:52.460
eyes, and also the way
they carry themselves,

00:49:52.460 --> 00:49:53.090
as in their posture.

00:49:53.509 --> 00:49:56.390
Um, but for yourself,
yeah, I would notice you

00:49:56.390 --> 00:49:59.470
and think right, if this
goes down in here and

00:49:59.660 --> 00:50:02.840
I'm on the like, like,
like the receiving end of

00:50:02.850 --> 00:50:05.250
attacks, then that guy I
need to deal with first.

00:50:05.250 --> 00:50:05.490
Right.

00:50:06.750 --> 00:50:07.600
Unfortunately.

00:50:07.790 --> 00:50:10.520
But that's a compliment.

00:50:12.090 --> 00:50:13.740
Well, growing up
it didn't feel

00:50:13.740 --> 00:50:14.550
like a compliment.

00:50:14.550 --> 00:50:18.800
It was fight after fight
and getting good at

00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.860
being able to verbally
deescalate a fight,

00:50:22.220 --> 00:50:24.650
which is something I
was never, ever good at.

00:50:24.650 --> 00:50:26.300
Some people have
the gift of gab and

00:50:26.300 --> 00:50:27.380
they're super social.

00:50:27.380 --> 00:50:29.870
This whole podcast thing
is a whole training

00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:34.400
process for me, really
in, uh, in conversation,

00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:35.900
it's been quite a,
quite a challenge.

00:50:36.080 --> 00:50:38.090
Having ADHD, I reach
a certain point in the

00:50:38.090 --> 00:50:39.950
conversation, I'm bored,
I usually just get up

00:50:39.950 --> 00:50:40.880
and walk away, right.

00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:46.850
But that was something
that I think, uh, the

00:50:46.850 --> 00:50:50.000
deescalation tactics
is something that was

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.940
never something that I
was very strong with.

00:50:53.850 --> 00:50:59.100
And I would either a just
push through, which means

00:50:59.190 --> 00:51:01.260
you get in the fight
or they, they leave.

00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:01.590
Right.

00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:06.030
Or, uh, B, I'd have to
make the decision whether

00:51:06.030 --> 00:51:08.610
this is something that is
worth, worth getting into

00:51:08.610 --> 00:51:12.180
it, just walking away
from which I'm stubborn

00:51:12.180 --> 00:51:13.890
and pigheaded and that
very rarely happens.

00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:15.290
Yeah.

00:51:15.350 --> 00:51:17.990
I know the feeling of
that definitely myself.

00:51:18.380 --> 00:51:21.620
Um, I've had a gap in
my skillset, which is

00:51:21.650 --> 00:51:23.780
the deescalation aspect.

00:51:23.780 --> 00:51:25.670
So a lot of my
trainers on the,

00:51:25.670 --> 00:51:28.640
the buildup and the
approach to, uh, uh, an

00:51:28.640 --> 00:51:29.840
altercation or a threat.

00:51:30.290 --> 00:51:32.030
And then there's
the deescalation

00:51:32.030 --> 00:51:36.310
conversation, which in
my youth I hated it.

00:51:36.310 --> 00:51:37.600
I was actually
very scared of it.

00:51:37.600 --> 00:51:39.760
I think that's part of
the reason why I would

00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.340
go forward, because I
hate that, when someone's

00:51:42.340 --> 00:51:44.410
challenging you in your
face and you're just

00:51:44.410 --> 00:51:45.150
there like, oh, okay.

00:51:45.640 --> 00:51:47.560
Back down here
or you know, that

00:51:47.560 --> 00:51:48.580
was my go time.

00:51:48.790 --> 00:51:49.150
Right.

00:51:49.240 --> 00:51:50.890
I'm not that person
at the moment.

00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.930
And now I know
it's stupid.

00:51:53.020 --> 00:51:54.510
It is literally
stupidity.

00:51:54.940 --> 00:51:58.170
Um, but  I know
that feeling.

00:51:58.180 --> 00:52:00.090
I know some people
still stand their ground

00:52:00.090 --> 00:52:02.520
in that situation and
you know, you can do

00:52:02.520 --> 00:52:04.500
that, but there's also
other factors at play.

00:52:04.590 --> 00:52:06.240
And especially when
you're a family man,

00:52:06.510 --> 00:52:09.120
and there's weapons like
knives and that involved.

00:52:09.510 --> 00:52:11.850
But to go back to the
eye contact thing, that's

00:52:11.850 --> 00:52:14.220
a very in-depth subject
and I have a lot of

00:52:14.370 --> 00:52:15.420
training to give on that.

00:52:15.510 --> 00:52:17.370
And it's hard to give
them this training

00:52:17.370 --> 00:52:19.500
through an Instagram
post, which what I

00:52:19.500 --> 00:52:22.360
usually do because there
is a lot of factors and

00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.900
I wouldn't recommend
eye contact with someone

00:52:24.900 --> 00:52:28.274
who's mentally ill or
on drugs on the street,

00:52:28.274 --> 00:52:31.365
because you need to avoid
any sort of altercation

00:52:31.365 --> 00:52:32.024
with that person.

00:52:32.355 --> 00:52:34.004
So they're the kind
of eye contact I'm

00:52:34.004 --> 00:52:36.825
talking about is, is
just a glance at the

00:52:36.825 --> 00:52:37.845
person in their eyes.

00:52:37.845 --> 00:52:39.015
And then a glance
ahead to where

00:52:39.015 --> 00:52:39.765
you're about to go.

00:52:40.125 --> 00:52:42.315
And that's just to
show that you're

00:52:42.315 --> 00:52:42.975
aware of them.

00:52:42.984 --> 00:52:45.315
You're not trying to shy
away, but there is a lot

00:52:45.315 --> 00:52:47.984
of situations where eye
contact is a bad idea.

00:52:48.375 --> 00:52:50.895
And it's hard to get that
information across in

00:52:50.895 --> 00:52:54.555
such short snippets, in
like an Instagram posts,

00:52:54.555 --> 00:52:56.444
which is the main source
of what I've been doing

00:52:56.475 --> 00:52:57.634
over the last two years.

00:52:57.975 --> 00:53:00.904
So do you have more that
I contact information and

00:53:00.904 --> 00:53:02.185
your, your online course?

00:53:02.305 --> 00:53:03.194
Yes, I do.

00:53:03.234 --> 00:53:03.854
Nice.

00:53:04.044 --> 00:53:04.265
Okay.

00:53:04.265 --> 00:53:06.214
I have a lot of deterrent
techniques and that is

00:53:06.214 --> 00:53:07.805
one deterrent technique.

00:53:07.865 --> 00:53:10.444
Um, so if some, if
my whole premise is

00:53:10.475 --> 00:53:13.654
that come from that
same study is that it

00:53:13.654 --> 00:53:16.955
takes a lot of these
inmates that the average

00:53:17.044 --> 00:53:18.634
time of assessment,
whether they're going

00:53:18.634 --> 00:53:20.435
to choose to target
that person over the

00:53:20.435 --> 00:53:22.654
other was seven seconds
of assessment time.

00:53:23.134 --> 00:53:25.560
And seven seconds
sounds like not much

00:53:25.560 --> 00:53:27.450
time, but it actually
is quite a lot of time.

00:53:27.750 --> 00:53:30.779
And if someone's looking
at you, first of all,

00:53:30.779 --> 00:53:32.609
they're going to see what
valuables are on display.

00:53:32.609 --> 00:53:35.189
If they're looking
for purpose of getting

00:53:35.189 --> 00:53:39.480
money or for whatever
reason, they're going

00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.169
to be looking at you to
see it's a reward, risk

00:53:43.169 --> 00:53:44.460
versus reward factor.

00:53:44.939 --> 00:53:48.270
And if you're showing a
lot of reward as by way

00:53:48.270 --> 00:53:50.879
of valuables or whatever
their sick disposition

00:53:50.879 --> 00:53:55.080
is, then they're going
to take more risk to get

00:53:55.080 --> 00:53:56.339
their, what they want.

00:53:56.850 --> 00:54:01.480
But if you are keeping
valuables out of the

00:54:01.740 --> 00:54:04.529
eyes of the people,
then they're less

00:54:04.529 --> 00:54:07.560
likely to go and try
and take more risks.

00:54:07.759 --> 00:54:10.140
And that delves into
the body language sort

00:54:10.140 --> 00:54:11.160
of aspect of it too.

00:54:11.160 --> 00:54:13.799
If you're more confident,
then why is that person

00:54:13.799 --> 00:54:15.839
so confident when
you should be scared

00:54:15.839 --> 00:54:16.830
in this situation?

00:54:18.555 --> 00:54:22.005
Yeah, I know I, I was
traveling through Europe

00:54:22.005 --> 00:54:23.775
when I was younger and
I ended up picking up

00:54:23.775 --> 00:54:25.185
a book by Alan Pease.

00:54:25.185 --> 00:54:26.775
And I think he's put
a few of them out in

00:54:26.775 --> 00:54:28.785
his wife as well now
on body language.

00:54:28.785 --> 00:54:31.005
And because I figured,
you know, I'm not going

00:54:31.005 --> 00:54:33.345
to be able to speak all
the different languages

00:54:33.345 --> 00:54:35.745
of the places I go to,
but if I can perhaps

00:54:35.775 --> 00:54:37.875
pick up on the body
language and communicate

00:54:37.875 --> 00:54:40.455
through body language,
I may have a better go.

00:54:40.455 --> 00:54:42.375
And I found that
quite useful.

00:54:42.705 --> 00:54:42.915
Yeah.

00:54:43.515 --> 00:54:46.575
Seven seconds so
that they have seven

00:54:46.575 --> 00:54:48.435
seconds and they make
that determination.

00:54:48.555 --> 00:54:52.705
And that's 1-1000,2-1000,
3-1000, 4-1000,

00:54:53.035 --> 00:54:56.985
5-1000, 6-1000, 7-1000.

00:54:57.255 --> 00:54:58.185
That's a long time.

00:54:58.295 --> 00:54:58.565
Yeah.

00:54:58.625 --> 00:55:00.545
And the whole time
that they're, they're

00:55:00.545 --> 00:55:02.405
making that they are
in that environment,

00:55:02.405 --> 00:55:04.475
standing there most
likely or sitting there.

00:55:04.655 --> 00:55:06.605
So you do have
opportunity to, to

00:55:06.755 --> 00:55:09.215
spot them, to detect
them and to deter them

00:55:09.485 --> 00:55:10.385
and to evade them.

00:55:10.745 --> 00:55:12.705
And that's the basis of
a lot of the training

00:55:12.705 --> 00:55:14.165
that I'm giving.

00:55:15.180 --> 00:55:18.000
Yeah, smart and not
having flashy things out.

00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.250
You know, my grandfather
used to say opportunity

00:55:20.250 --> 00:55:20.960
makes the thief.

00:55:21.450 --> 00:55:23.310
I don't know if it
makes it thief, but

00:55:23.700 --> 00:55:26.040
if you provide that
opportunity, a thief will

00:55:26.160 --> 00:55:27.690
be bound to pounce on it.

00:55:27.810 --> 00:55:27.930
Yeah.

00:55:28.129 --> 00:55:29.750
And the biggest
opportunity, and one of

00:55:29.750 --> 00:55:31.400
the biggest things they
look for in this day

00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:32.540
and age is cell phones.

00:55:32.569 --> 00:55:34.620
If you're walking along
listen to music or

00:55:34.640 --> 00:55:36.560
scrolling on your phone,
then you are a perfect

00:55:36.560 --> 00:55:39.290
target because you're,
you're just shoutin' I

00:55:39.290 --> 00:55:41.509
am completely unaware
of my surroundings.

00:55:41.630 --> 00:55:41.960
Right.

00:55:43.560 --> 00:55:46.290
With your hands by
your side, casually

00:55:46.290 --> 00:55:48.840
looking around that you
can't be crept up on.

00:55:48.900 --> 00:55:49.920
And that is a big deal.

00:55:50.160 --> 00:55:51.690
There's no element of
surprise and they will

00:55:51.690 --> 00:55:53.520
always want the element
of surprise no matter

00:55:53.520 --> 00:55:54.630
what their goal is.

00:55:55.020 --> 00:55:57.630
Um, there's a lot of
little things like

00:55:57.630 --> 00:55:59.250
that that can make
a big difference.

00:55:59.250 --> 00:56:01.170
And I have felt that
in my own life, before

00:56:01.170 --> 00:56:03.480
I joined the military
or anything, I moved

00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.160
from my hometown on
the south coast of

00:56:05.160 --> 00:56:07.950
England, up to London
to study criminology

00:56:07.950 --> 00:56:10.830
at university because I
was really interested in

00:56:10.830 --> 00:56:12.960
why people commit crimes
and violent crimes.

00:56:13.260 --> 00:56:14.700
And wasn't really
understanding my

00:56:14.700 --> 00:56:18.690
own sick, like
attachment to it.

00:56:19.080 --> 00:56:21.060
Um, so I studied
criminology, but that

00:56:21.090 --> 00:56:23.460
meant that I moved to
London, the capital

00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:25.290
city, and there's a
lot of knife crime

00:56:25.290 --> 00:56:28.215
as we discussed and
there's a lot of other

00:56:28.485 --> 00:56:29.955
elements as gang culture.

00:56:30.195 --> 00:56:32.595
And I moved to a part of
London called Brixton,

00:56:32.595 --> 00:56:34.004
for those of you that
don't know, it's got a

00:56:34.365 --> 00:56:36.375
bad reputation, they had
some riots back in the

00:56:36.375 --> 00:56:38.025
day it's a great place.

00:56:38.025 --> 00:56:40.125
I love it around a lot
fun there, but there is

00:56:40.125 --> 00:56:41.235
a dark element to it.

00:56:41.535 --> 00:56:43.875
And the thing is with
London and the UK,

00:56:44.235 --> 00:56:46.275
we don't have as much
space as you have

00:56:46.275 --> 00:56:47.155
over here in Canada.

00:56:47.155 --> 00:56:51.215
So things go up and
people are all in

00:56:51.325 --> 00:56:52.625
enclosed environments.

00:56:52.865 --> 00:56:55.475
Even the streets are very
tight and we have what

00:56:55.475 --> 00:56:57.305
are called counselors
states in this government

00:56:57.305 --> 00:56:59.855
housing, and they're just
tower blocks and there's

00:56:59.855 --> 00:57:02.865
a lot of gang activity
in these environments

00:57:02.865 --> 00:57:05.325
and I moved the air from
an L being an outsider

00:57:05.654 --> 00:57:07.815
from my hometown, and
I'd had a bit of a

00:57:07.815 --> 00:57:09.015
different accent as well.

00:57:09.015 --> 00:57:12.105
So I was noticeably an
outsider and I looked

00:57:12.105 --> 00:57:13.275
and dressed different
cause there's different

00:57:13.275 --> 00:57:15.735
cultural, uh, clothing
norms in different parts

00:57:15.735 --> 00:57:16.595
of different cities.

00:57:16.675 --> 00:57:17.095
Right.

00:57:17.095 --> 00:57:19.665
Um, so I moved there and
then I had to get the bus

00:57:19.665 --> 00:57:21.255
to my classes every day.

00:57:21.645 --> 00:57:24.075
And we literally have
gangs, I don't see it in

00:57:24.075 --> 00:57:26.865
Canada, but in the UK we
have gangs of youths and

00:57:26.985 --> 00:57:30.345
literally gang members on
the streets and outside

00:57:30.345 --> 00:57:31.575
stores and on corners.

00:57:31.575 --> 00:57:33.134
And you have to walk
past them if you

00:57:33.134 --> 00:57:34.904
want to use public
transport, which I have

00:57:34.904 --> 00:57:36.190
done most of my life.

00:57:36.610 --> 00:57:38.350
So I was very nervous at
that time, even though

00:57:38.350 --> 00:57:40.750
it was a fighter, and I'd
done some boxing, I was

00:57:40.750 --> 00:57:43.090
nervous because of the
reputation of the gangs

00:57:43.090 --> 00:57:45.280
and street crime, knife
crime in particular.

00:57:45.580 --> 00:57:47.800
So I'd walk past and I
would get challenged.

00:57:47.860 --> 00:57:49.960
And one thing with the
gangs in London is it's

00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:52.450
territorial based in
this different codes

00:57:52.540 --> 00:57:53.530
for different gangs.

00:57:53.530 --> 00:57:55.990
And they would say, what
ends are you from bruv is

00:57:55.990 --> 00:57:58.370
this is the saying that
they would always, what

00:57:58.370 --> 00:57:59.200
ends are you from bruv.

00:57:59.590 --> 00:58:01.780
And I'll be like, ah,
I'm not from round here.

00:58:02.050 --> 00:58:03.970
And that was kind of
like, uh, there was

00:58:03.970 --> 00:58:06.960
that actually a bit of
a, like gave me a safe

00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.690
haven that they were
looking for threats

00:58:09.690 --> 00:58:12.860
from other tutorials,
territorial gangs mainly.

00:58:13.140 --> 00:58:16.319
But it still was an
uncomfortable situation

00:58:16.319 --> 00:58:18.660
and I'd walk up to these
groups of youths and

00:58:18.810 --> 00:58:21.149
some of them like 18,
20 my age at the time.

00:58:21.509 --> 00:58:23.669
And it would be nerve
wracking experience, even

00:58:23.669 --> 00:58:25.229
though I was comfortable
with fighting.

00:58:25.709 --> 00:58:27.299
I didn't like
doing it obviously.

00:58:27.720 --> 00:58:30.149
And no one got me
wondering why is other

00:58:30.149 --> 00:58:32.819
people in this area,
same ethnicity, same

00:58:33.120 --> 00:58:36.089
sort of look as me just
walking past without

00:58:36.089 --> 00:58:38.370
being challenged or
stopped or anything.

00:58:38.939 --> 00:58:42.359
And after, after I
acknowledged that I

00:58:42.359 --> 00:58:44.189
could say this I'm
not from around here.

00:58:44.609 --> 00:58:46.650
Um, it kind of gave
me a safe pass.

00:58:46.979 --> 00:58:48.569
I had this new found
confidence and I

00:58:48.569 --> 00:58:49.439
just walked past.

00:58:49.439 --> 00:58:52.379
And then after a while
I was never challenged

00:58:52.379 --> 00:58:54.149
and I'd go to visit
friends in other boroughs

00:58:54.149 --> 00:58:56.910
of London and I wasn't
challenged there.

00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.100
And it's because I was
an insider and I was

00:58:59.100 --> 00:59:02.310
really an insider and my
body language, my whole

00:59:02.339 --> 00:59:05.160
aura had changed and I
was confident, but I had

00:59:05.160 --> 00:59:07.149
a place to be and I was
just going about my life.

00:59:07.549 --> 00:59:08.170
Interesting.

00:59:08.250 --> 00:59:11.790
Um, so yeah, I've also
studied that aspect

00:59:11.790 --> 00:59:14.280
and thats embedded in
my training as well.

00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:15.600
And that's from
personal experience

00:59:15.600 --> 00:59:18.420
and also working in
surveillance and stuff.

00:59:18.450 --> 00:59:21.510
You get some training
in these areas too.

00:59:22.010 --> 00:59:26.180
So if you're going into
a new location and you

00:59:26.180 --> 00:59:28.880
want to set back and
take a look at your

00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.250
surroundings and get
a bit of a temperature

00:59:31.250 --> 00:59:33.260
check for what it's
like, what, how do you

00:59:33.260 --> 00:59:36.320
quickly a climatize,
your personality, your

00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:40.190
attitude, your, uh,
your demeanor to, uh,

00:59:40.250 --> 00:59:41.210
to your environment.

00:59:41.600 --> 00:59:43.520
I it's called
establishing a baseline.

00:59:43.820 --> 00:59:46.550
So if I was going to
start a close protection

00:59:46.550 --> 00:59:48.920
bodyguarding job, then
in the days before

00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:50.720
the client arrives,
a lot of my stuff

00:59:50.720 --> 00:59:53.540
was taking clients on
vacation around Europe.

00:59:53.870 --> 00:59:56.240
So I'd arrive at the
location and I'd have

00:59:56.240 --> 00:59:59.090
to adapt the way I dress
and the way that I talk

00:59:59.090 --> 01:00:03.569
and look to blend in
because a lot of my uh,

01:00:03.779 --> 01:00:05.940
close protection stuff
from the UK before I came

01:00:05.940 --> 01:00:07.379
over here was on my own.

01:00:07.680 --> 01:00:10.230
And I was, I came
into cause I did the

01:00:10.230 --> 01:00:12.270
surveillance stuff they
wanted to like covert

01:00:12.270 --> 01:00:13.560
surveillance protection.

01:00:13.560 --> 01:00:16.080
So I'd be in the shadows
behind, but they didn't

01:00:16.080 --> 01:00:18.120
want me intruding on
their family vacation,

01:00:18.120 --> 01:00:20.250
but they were like
wealthy individuals and

01:00:20.250 --> 01:00:23.339
they wanted me there to
observe them and look out

01:00:23.339 --> 01:00:25.560
for them and have plans
and things in place.

01:00:25.740 --> 01:00:28.259
So I'd arrive in a
location and then you

01:00:28.259 --> 01:00:29.310
establish a baseline.

01:00:29.310 --> 01:00:31.529
So you sit down in
a cafe and you just

01:00:31.560 --> 01:00:32.940
observe the environment.

01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:35.250
And you're looking at the
ambient noises and the

01:00:35.250 --> 01:00:37.950
sounds that dress and the
customs of the people.

01:00:38.190 --> 01:00:40.500
And you're literally
noting down mentally,

01:00:40.740 --> 01:00:43.049
what's going on around
you, how people behave,

01:00:43.049 --> 01:00:45.120
how they act, what
they look like and you

01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:47.069
just try and conform
and adapt to that.

01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:51.029
So one particular job I
was in Italy and ended

01:00:51.029 --> 01:00:55.500
up going to, from Naples
um, I took my client

01:00:55.500 --> 01:00:58.730
over to the island of
Capri, which are very

01:00:58.730 --> 01:01:00.860
wealthy and exclusive
island, staying in five

01:01:00.860 --> 01:01:02.110
star hotels and all that.

01:01:02.160 --> 01:01:03.590
That's the perks
of the job.

01:01:03.910 --> 01:01:04.440
Rough.

01:01:04.490 --> 01:01:04.660
Rough.

01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:07.730
So that was, uh,
a very good job.

01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:11.050
Uh, so I, I adapted
my, my clothing

01:01:11.050 --> 01:01:13.210
and the gray man
philosophy over there.

01:01:13.510 --> 01:01:15.730
And I was actually
getting spoken to in

01:01:15.730 --> 01:01:18.490
Italian and I was quite
proud of that because

01:01:19.060 --> 01:01:21.460
they feel I was an
Italian and I was just

01:01:21.460 --> 01:01:23.440
over there on vacation
or whatever, but I had to

01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.530
stay away from the family
and just like usher them

01:01:26.530 --> 01:01:28.390
around and make sure
everything was okay.

01:01:28.690 --> 01:01:30.640
And then I took
them back to Naples.

01:01:30.640 --> 01:01:33.610
They got their plane back
to where they came from

01:01:33.670 --> 01:01:38.175
and I had one night in
Naples on my own um, just

01:01:38.175 --> 01:01:39.825
to do whatever I wanted.

01:01:40.785 --> 01:01:42.285
I wasn't going to
waste that time, a

01:01:42.285 --> 01:01:43.365
successful operation.

01:01:43.365 --> 01:01:46.065
So I went out from the
town, bearing in mind,

01:01:46.125 --> 01:01:48.795
I dressed completely
for this exclusive,

01:01:48.815 --> 01:01:49.565
wealthy island.

01:01:49.565 --> 01:01:51.245
I was wearing like
flowery shirts, I

01:01:51.245 --> 01:01:52.805
was wearing white
linen pants, had

01:01:52.805 --> 01:01:54.305
like gold sunglasses.

01:01:54.585 --> 01:01:55.015
Course, yeah.

01:01:55.015 --> 01:01:56.865
Yeah, I was
playing the part.

01:01:56.865 --> 01:01:57.085
Sure.

01:01:57.085 --> 01:01:58.275
But it was successful.

01:01:58.595 --> 01:02:00.245
And, but now I was
walking through

01:02:00.245 --> 01:02:02.735
Naples, which is a
notoriously rough town.

01:02:02.735 --> 01:02:05.260
There's a lot of
crime networks, then

01:02:05.260 --> 01:02:07.090
there's from the
research I've done.

01:02:07.390 --> 01:02:08.470
And that's
also one thing.

01:02:08.470 --> 01:02:09.790
If you're going to
go on vacation, then

01:02:09.790 --> 01:02:11.590
you can find a lot
of information online

01:02:11.890 --> 01:02:14.200
about what the customs
and the dress, and even

01:02:14.200 --> 01:02:16.240
looking on Google street
maps, you could see

01:02:16.240 --> 01:02:18.310
people when you go down
on that and see what's

01:02:18.310 --> 01:02:19.180
going on on the ground.

01:02:19.450 --> 01:02:19.910
Good point.

01:02:20.230 --> 01:02:20.370
Yeah.

01:02:21.070 --> 01:02:23.065
Well, I, I deal with
that before, and then

01:02:23.065 --> 01:02:24.745
I, so I thought I'll go
around and have a look

01:02:24.745 --> 01:02:26.305
at the bars and stuff,
and I wasn't going to

01:02:26.305 --> 01:02:29.395
waste the, uh, time I
had there, but I knew

01:02:29.395 --> 01:02:32.275
that I, I stood out and
I was, uh, looked like

01:02:32.275 --> 01:02:34.405
I was wealthy and I
looked like a tourist,

01:02:34.765 --> 01:02:35.695
but I didn't care.

01:02:36.145 --> 01:02:39.195
You know, do as I
say, not as I do.

01:02:39.315 --> 01:02:39.735
Sure.

01:02:40.245 --> 01:02:43.175
So I have my headphones
in as well, which.

01:02:43.175 --> 01:02:43.485
Oh common.

01:02:43.485 --> 01:02:44.535
Is a big no-no.

01:02:45.045 --> 01:02:46.725
Because I love to, I
listen to like rock

01:02:46.725 --> 01:02:47.655
music and stuff.

01:02:47.655 --> 01:02:50.065
When I'm walking around
and podcasts, cause I was

01:02:50.085 --> 01:02:51.285
just sightseeing anyway.

01:02:51.285 --> 01:02:53.415
So I start walking
and I'm walking into

01:02:53.415 --> 01:02:55.425
the shopping district
and up ahead, I've

01:02:55.425 --> 01:02:58.455
got my sunglasses
on too, I see a guy,

01:02:58.875 --> 01:03:01.185
uh, Eastern European
fitting the profile

01:03:01.185 --> 01:03:04.035
and he's standing in a
good tactical position.

01:03:04.035 --> 01:03:07.045
And tactical position
in, in situational

01:03:07.045 --> 01:03:09.255
awareness sense is, is
somewhere where you can

01:03:09.255 --> 01:03:11.475
observe the goings on
and someone where no

01:03:11.475 --> 01:03:12.615
one can creep up on you.

01:03:12.975 --> 01:03:14.925
So he's, he's up against
the building and looking

01:03:14.925 --> 01:03:16.965
around and he's showing
situational awareness.

01:03:17.235 --> 01:03:19.194
Typically the only
people that are aware

01:03:19.194 --> 01:03:20.924
of their surroundings
are the good guys

01:03:20.955 --> 01:03:23.475
and the bad guys, the
protectors, the police,

01:03:23.475 --> 01:03:25.875
the security, us, like
we know, we're trained.

01:03:26.265 --> 01:03:29.295
And then there's the bad
guys who are also looking

01:03:29.295 --> 01:03:31.214
for prey and looking
for the authorities

01:03:31.214 --> 01:03:33.705
who could apprehend
them and they're

01:03:33.705 --> 01:03:34.725
out, they stand out.

01:03:34.785 --> 01:03:36.495
So once you start
practicing situation

01:03:36.795 --> 01:03:38.565
awareness, you see
these things stand out.

01:03:38.595 --> 01:03:40.815
Anyway, I saw him
looking around and I

01:03:40.815 --> 01:03:42.404
was walking towards
him, there's other

01:03:42.404 --> 01:03:43.275
people on the street.

01:03:44.205 --> 01:03:46.455
And then I had my
headphones in and I saw

01:03:46.455 --> 01:03:50.055
him notice me and I saw
him gesture to someone

01:03:50.055 --> 01:03:53.115
else behind me, but I
didn't see this person.

01:03:53.505 --> 01:03:55.694
So I continued walking
and I noticed on the

01:03:55.694 --> 01:03:57.915
side, it was a big
department store window.

01:03:58.335 --> 01:04:00.795
Um, so check myself
out in the window.

01:04:01.605 --> 01:04:03.135
Not checking myself
out, it's called a

01:04:03.135 --> 01:04:05.145
reflectional look back
and it's actually shown

01:04:05.145 --> 01:04:07.155
in the movies quite a
lot, but I use them.

01:04:07.545 --> 01:04:10.365
So in a parallel window,
you can see quite

01:04:10.365 --> 01:04:11.715
clearly behind yourself.

01:04:11.915 --> 01:04:14.235
And then I see a
guy sharp scurrying

01:04:14.235 --> 01:04:14.985
up behind me.

01:04:15.285 --> 01:04:18.285
Um, probably a
pickpocket attempt is

01:04:18.285 --> 01:04:20.175
that's what they do
around these parts.

01:04:20.565 --> 01:04:23.745
So I continue walking
and then I see a bus

01:04:23.745 --> 01:04:26.174
shelter up ahead of me
and it's got the big

01:04:26.205 --> 01:04:27.705
glass advertising panel.

01:04:27.795 --> 01:04:29.985
So I start walking
directly towards that,

01:04:30.015 --> 01:04:32.205
so then I've got a
clear view directly

01:04:32.205 --> 01:04:34.245
behind me, another
reflectional look back

01:04:34.605 --> 01:04:37.395
and I see the guy getting
very close behind me.

01:04:37.785 --> 01:04:40.485
And then as my, I'm
walking, I walk past

01:04:40.485 --> 01:04:42.015
the bus stop and then
I'm out in the open

01:04:42.015 --> 01:04:46.660
and I can no longer
see where he is, but I

01:04:46.660 --> 01:04:48.100
should have mentioned
before, too, that I

01:04:48.100 --> 01:04:49.390
turned the music off.

01:04:49.549 --> 01:04:49.840
Right.

01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.480
Past my headphone, my
hand was in my pocket.

01:04:52.779 --> 01:04:55.930
So I still looked unaware
to these criminals, but

01:04:55.930 --> 01:04:58.360
I was actually monitoring
what was going on.

01:04:58.779 --> 01:05:01.120
And also I have a
fightin' background as

01:05:01.299 --> 01:05:03.870
I was, had a few beers
at that time as well.

01:05:04.290 --> 01:05:06.600
But it's a bit of a
training exercise for me.

01:05:06.730 --> 01:05:07.249
Sure, yeah yeah.

01:05:07.249 --> 01:05:09.000
So I walk a few steps
further, and then I

01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:11.610
can hear the footsteps
right behind me.

01:05:12.029 --> 01:05:13.380
And then I'll just take
a deep breath and all

01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:15.840
of a sudden, bam, I spin
round and I'm face to

01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:17.910
face with the guy and I
say, my thickish British

01:05:17.910 --> 01:05:19.440
accent, British accent.

01:05:19.770 --> 01:05:21.000
All right, mate,
how's it going?

01:05:21.630 --> 01:05:23.430
And he was like a rabbit
in the headlights.

01:05:23.430 --> 01:05:26.580
He was like, oh, but he
didn't speak English,

01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:27.779
but he is shocked.

01:05:27.870 --> 01:05:30.529
And then he smiled as
well cause he knew, like

01:05:30.749 --> 01:05:31.839
we had that knowin thing.

01:05:31.860 --> 01:05:32.190
Yeah.

01:05:32.670 --> 01:05:33.150
What is it?

01:05:33.180 --> 01:05:34.350
It's not going
to be anything,

01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:35.400
cause I'm ready.

01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:36.450
Yeah exactly.

01:05:36.550 --> 01:05:36.990
But yeah.

01:05:37.020 --> 01:05:39.570
And then he ran off
scurried away and I

01:05:39.570 --> 01:05:42.445
carried on with me
drinking session.

01:05:44.005 --> 01:05:44.335
Yeah.

01:05:44.425 --> 01:05:46.195
I wouldn't advise
anyone to do that.

01:05:46.255 --> 01:05:48.265
Well, that's a bit
of an example of

01:05:48.265 --> 01:05:50.035
the skills that I'm
teaching in play.

01:05:50.225 --> 01:05:51.865
I could have turned
around and deterred

01:05:51.865 --> 01:05:52.795
the guy at any time.

01:05:52.795 --> 01:05:55.315
And I would advise
sometimes to do that.

01:05:55.525 --> 01:05:57.145
I could have just looked
at him and that would

01:05:57.145 --> 01:05:58.555
have been that, over,
because he wanted the

01:05:58.555 --> 01:05:59.335
element of surprise.

01:05:59.335 --> 01:06:00.955
He wanted an unaware
tourists, but.

01:06:00.955 --> 01:06:01.095
Right.

01:06:01.415 --> 01:06:03.685
Uh, I played it a
bit differently.

01:06:03.765 --> 01:06:06.095
A little cheeky, but
had more fun out of it.

01:06:06.095 --> 01:06:06.355
Yeah.

01:06:06.565 --> 01:06:07.125
That's it.

01:06:07.545 --> 01:06:08.055
Oh man.

01:06:08.115 --> 01:06:11.805
Well, we talked about a
size of an opponent can

01:06:11.865 --> 01:06:13.665
make a big difference
and the number of

01:06:13.665 --> 01:06:15.195
opponents can make
a big difference.

01:06:15.195 --> 01:06:16.595
But the one that
you've brought up

01:06:16.595 --> 01:06:18.615
is weapons, right.

01:06:18.615 --> 01:06:21.255
And we've had some
shootings here in the

01:06:21.255 --> 01:06:25.035
lower mainland, uh, we've
had a, some stabbings

01:06:25.125 --> 01:06:26.865
that have been going on.

01:06:26.895 --> 01:06:30.255
Um, you know, I
saw one, I think

01:06:30.255 --> 01:06:31.275
it was in Toronto.

01:06:31.365 --> 01:06:36.045
Uh, there was a news clip
and this person's I think

01:06:36.045 --> 01:06:37.935
it was a gun I'm trying
to remember back here,

01:06:38.085 --> 01:06:39.825
anyways, waving this
thing around and another

01:06:39.825 --> 01:06:41.925
woman just walking by
completely oblivious

01:06:41.925 --> 01:06:43.995
as somebody's acting
completely erratically.

01:06:44.655 --> 01:06:47.205
Um, similar to the story
that you told earlier,

01:06:47.655 --> 01:06:55.185
but what would, uh, what
would for most people in

01:06:55.185 --> 01:06:57.675
a security profession,
you're always going to

01:06:57.675 --> 01:06:59.265
assume that the other
person has a weapon.

01:06:59.715 --> 01:07:01.455
Um, that's just a
no-brainer, if they

01:07:01.455 --> 01:07:02.565
don't, hey that's gravy.

01:07:02.565 --> 01:07:02.925
Right.

01:07:02.955 --> 01:07:05.415
But if you're going to
make the assumption, this

01:07:05.415 --> 01:07:06.075
is probably a weapon.

01:07:06.075 --> 01:07:07.245
If they have one
weapon, they probably

01:07:07.245 --> 01:07:07.995
have two weapons.

01:07:08.115 --> 01:07:12.285
Um, what, uh, what are
your thoughts on that?

01:07:12.285 --> 01:07:14.385
I mean, in Canada,
we don't seem to have

01:07:14.385 --> 01:07:17.535
the, uh, well, I hate
how they call it knife

01:07:17.535 --> 01:07:19.005
crime or gun crime.

01:07:19.005 --> 01:07:20.295
Cause it's just
crime and they happen

01:07:20.295 --> 01:07:22.905
to have a certain
type of, of weapon

01:07:22.905 --> 01:07:23.595
that they're using.

01:07:23.745 --> 01:07:24.015
Yeah.

01:07:24.345 --> 01:07:28.125
Um, on avoiding
that, detecting that,

01:07:28.185 --> 01:07:30.569
uh, do you have any
thoughts on that?

01:07:30.720 --> 01:07:32.400
Yeah, I do have a lot
of thoughts on that and

01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.620
that's another reason
why I've started this

01:07:34.620 --> 01:07:37.440
training because it
all came about that

01:07:37.980 --> 01:07:40.120
in my youth, when I
was, when I moved to

01:07:40.120 --> 01:07:42.975
London to do that um,
criminology degree.

01:07:43.395 --> 01:07:45.855
I actually took my
attitude to this new

01:07:46.274 --> 01:07:49.605
playing ground, this
new, more like a war

01:07:49.605 --> 01:07:50.685
ground, to be honest.

01:07:50.745 --> 01:07:53.504
And I would never back
down, but that didn't

01:07:53.565 --> 01:07:56.355
fare so well when there
was gangs and knives

01:07:56.355 --> 01:07:58.105
involved and people
would, just didn't

01:07:58.125 --> 01:07:58.904
care about using them.

01:07:59.205 --> 01:08:02.055
So I had an altercation
in a bar, uh, looking

01:08:02.055 --> 01:08:03.794
for my friends or
walking down the side

01:08:03.975 --> 01:08:06.285
side of the dance floor
in a bar I used to go

01:08:06.285 --> 01:08:07.725
in all the time again.

01:08:07.725 --> 01:08:10.214
I'd had some drinks
myself, um, a guy

01:08:10.225 --> 01:08:12.705
just barges straight
through my shoulder and

01:08:12.765 --> 01:08:14.865
I stepped back, look
at him, it's dark, the

01:08:14.865 --> 01:08:15.734
lights are flashing.

01:08:15.975 --> 01:08:17.894
I don't recognize
the guy, but I do

01:08:17.894 --> 01:08:19.814
have enemies at that
point in my life.

01:08:20.234 --> 01:08:22.215
Um, and there's
another guy behind him

01:08:22.305 --> 01:08:23.115
and he's posturing.

01:08:23.115 --> 01:08:24.915
He's got his hands
down by his sides

01:08:25.184 --> 01:08:27.644
and he's doing the
old typical, like.

01:08:27.844 --> 01:08:27.995
Yeah.

01:08:27.995 --> 01:08:30.194
Pushing out his chest,
which is for me is a

01:08:30.194 --> 01:08:31.785
telltale sign that,
yeah, you may have had

01:08:31.785 --> 01:08:33.314
some fights before,
but you're not trained

01:08:33.314 --> 01:08:35.684
fighter because you
are exposing yourself.

01:08:35.684 --> 01:08:35.904
Right.

01:08:35.904 --> 01:08:36.434
Anyway.

01:08:36.434 --> 01:08:38.564
So I don't know if
I should say this.

01:08:40.305 --> 01:08:41.105
I headbutt him.

01:08:41.495 --> 01:08:41.765
Yeah.

01:08:41.825 --> 01:08:42.275
Yeah.

01:08:42.445 --> 01:08:43.055
As you do.

01:08:43.145 --> 01:08:43.925
The Glasgow kiss.

01:08:43.985 --> 01:08:44.465
Yeah.

01:08:44.495 --> 01:08:46.465
Because, oh, there's
two against one,

01:08:46.525 --> 01:08:47.255
in my opinion.

01:08:47.255 --> 01:08:50.415
And at that time in my
life, I've experienced,

01:08:50.415 --> 01:08:52.315
you have to go hard,
fast and aggressive.

01:08:52.555 --> 01:08:54.925
And I knew that that
fight was on, I didn't

01:08:54.925 --> 01:08:56.734
know why maybe I'd
had an altercation

01:08:56.734 --> 01:08:57.295
with him before.

01:08:57.295 --> 01:08:58.855
Maybe didn't like the
look of me, but the

01:08:58.855 --> 01:09:01.105
barge and then like the
posture, like either I'm

01:09:01.105 --> 01:09:02.755
going to back down, which
I wasn't going to do.

01:09:02.995 --> 01:09:05.725
Nowadays, yeah, I
would, but then, I

01:09:05.725 --> 01:09:06.415
wasn't going back down.

01:09:06.415 --> 01:09:08.485
So it's either throw
the first punch or

01:09:08.545 --> 01:09:10.465
get hit with the first
punch was my mentality.

01:09:10.735 --> 01:09:12.145
Anyway, so we have
a bit of a scuffle

01:09:12.145 --> 01:09:13.255
on the dance floor.

01:09:14.035 --> 01:09:16.615
A few seconds, the
doormen are on us and

01:09:16.615 --> 01:09:17.455
they've thrown me out.

01:09:18.265 --> 01:09:20.395
They'd thrown me outside
the front and they just

01:09:20.395 --> 01:09:21.415
throw me on the ground.

01:09:21.925 --> 01:09:23.125
And this happened
a lot to me, to be

01:09:23.125 --> 01:09:26.875
honest, it was nothing,
nothing unusual.

01:09:26.965 --> 01:09:27.025
Yeah.

01:09:27.105 --> 01:09:28.735
Um, I'll get back up
and then they throw

01:09:28.735 --> 01:09:30.175
him out and he's
standing next to me.

01:09:30.625 --> 01:09:33.785
And there's a big
lineup of ladies and

01:09:33.809 --> 01:09:36.090
men queuing to get
into this bar club.

01:09:36.540 --> 01:09:38.970
And, uh, I stand there
and looking at him and

01:09:38.970 --> 01:09:40.920
his friend comes out as
well, stands behind him.

01:09:41.189 --> 01:09:42.359
And he's looking at
me and I'm looking

01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:45.180
at him and he's doing
something down here and

01:09:45.180 --> 01:09:47.189
I'm not registering,
I'm a bit drunk anyway.

01:09:47.340 --> 01:09:50.160
And I'm like, thinking,
why is he not like

01:09:50.160 --> 01:09:51.059
going for it now?

01:09:51.090 --> 01:09:52.889
Because we just
had a fight and now

01:09:52.889 --> 01:09:54.650
we're clear and the
bouncers stepped back.

01:09:54.650 --> 01:09:56.750
Like, they're literally
two cornerman just

01:09:56.750 --> 01:09:58.460
ready, ding, ding, ding,
because it's out of

01:09:58.460 --> 01:09:59.480
their jurisdiction now.

01:10:00.139 --> 01:10:02.540
Um, and then it goes,
so I'm fighting this

01:10:02.540 --> 01:10:04.130
guy and I'm a boxer.

01:10:04.130 --> 01:10:06.290
So straight punches
down the middle he's

01:10:06.450 --> 01:10:08.330
wildly swinging and
I noticed that he's

01:10:08.370 --> 01:10:11.790
actually hit me in the
body, which is unusual

01:10:12.090 --> 01:10:12.810
in a street fight.

01:10:13.200 --> 01:10:15.540
Um, and anyway, I'm
hitting him and I am

01:10:15.540 --> 01:10:17.520
hitting him hard, but
he was like, he was a

01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:18.990
solid structure of a man.

01:10:18.990 --> 01:10:21.600
I remember him not even
stepping back or moving.

01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:23.520
I was just thinking,
wow, this is all right.

01:10:24.570 --> 01:10:25.710
He can take it so.

01:10:25.710 --> 01:10:25.950
Yeah.

01:10:25.950 --> 01:10:26.549
We're fighting.

01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.710
Anyway, he decides that
he's getting lit up a

01:10:28.710 --> 01:10:31.530
bit and he charges me and
takes me down, which is

01:10:31.530 --> 01:10:34.019
another common occurrence
in a, uh, in a street

01:10:34.019 --> 01:10:36.720
fight cause quite often
when two big forces

01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:37.830
collide, they go down.

01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:38.130
Yep.

01:10:38.370 --> 01:10:41.580
Um, so he ends up
on top of me and I'm

01:10:41.580 --> 01:10:43.710
flailing and I hadn't
done any jujitsu or any

01:10:43.710 --> 01:10:45.750
ground fighting at that
time, I was a boxer.

01:10:46.170 --> 01:10:49.080
So that's another element
that is completely alien

01:10:49.080 --> 01:10:51.060
to most people and when
you know a little bit

01:10:51.060 --> 01:10:53.430
about ground fighting,
you know, how hard it

01:10:53.430 --> 01:10:54.360
really is, isn't it.

01:10:54.360 --> 01:10:54.680
Sure.

01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:57.660
And, um, so I'm fi
floating around trying

01:10:57.660 --> 01:11:00.690
to fight on my back
and all of a sudden.

01:11:01.845 --> 01:11:03.975
I can feel this hot
water, what it feels

01:11:03.975 --> 01:11:06.555
like someone's tipping
a coffee cup, a cup

01:11:06.555 --> 01:11:08.585
of tea down over my
head and shoulders.

01:11:09.155 --> 01:11:10.725
Anyway, I'm not really
thinking about it.

01:11:10.745 --> 01:11:13.805
There's a cold like night
and in London and then

01:11:13.805 --> 01:11:16.025
all of a sudden I hear
a scream from a woman in

01:11:16.025 --> 01:11:18.785
the, in the lineup, which
is only a few feet away.

01:11:19.025 --> 01:11:20.585
He's got a knife,
he's got a knife.

01:11:21.155 --> 01:11:24.035
Um, and at that moment
I was all, I will

01:11:24.035 --> 01:11:27.605
admit I was consumed by
true fear, I thought,

01:11:27.635 --> 01:11:29.405
oh my goodness, what
is going on here?

01:11:29.405 --> 01:11:30.394
I'm going to die.

01:11:30.394 --> 01:11:30.665
Right.

01:11:30.665 --> 01:11:31.475
I thought I was
going to die.

01:11:31.695 --> 01:11:32.004
Right.

01:11:32.315 --> 01:11:35.460
So he's on top of me
and I'm just trying

01:11:35.460 --> 01:11:38.070
to hold on for dear
life, basically.

01:11:38.550 --> 01:11:42.690
Um, and luckily the door
security team intervene,

01:11:42.710 --> 01:11:44.840
they grabbed him off
and as they grabbing

01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:47.370
him off, I kick him and
then I just, I sprint

01:11:47.370 --> 01:11:49.050
off that, which was
a natural instinct.

01:11:49.050 --> 01:11:49.400
Right.

01:11:50.130 --> 01:11:52.020
Which is another thing
comes with fighting

01:11:52.020 --> 01:11:53.550
a lot on the street,
you get out of there

01:11:53.550 --> 01:11:54.340
before you arrested.

01:11:54.450 --> 01:11:55.920
Yeah, exactly.

01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:57.870
So I just run,
I just run.

01:11:57.870 --> 01:11:59.880
And then I ended up
slumping down in, in

01:11:59.890 --> 01:12:03.060
an alleyway, um, a
few streets back to

01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:04.760
look at what's going
on, and I'm covered

01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:05.940
in blood all over me.

01:12:06.330 --> 01:12:08.520
Um, and it was coming
out of my face.

01:12:08.550 --> 01:12:10.620
I nearly it lost my
eyes and the corner

01:12:10.620 --> 01:12:11.250
of my eye there.

01:12:11.790 --> 01:12:15.345
Um, one of the wounds
and I realized that I've

01:12:15.345 --> 01:12:17.565
obviously been stabbed,
but the, the moral of

01:12:17.565 --> 01:12:19.785
the story is that I
didn't see the weapon.

01:12:19.785 --> 01:12:22.575
And that's what happens
in most knife attacks.

01:12:22.575 --> 01:12:24.465
If someone really wants
to do damage to you and

01:12:24.465 --> 01:12:26.005
they're not going to
run over to you wielding

01:12:26.025 --> 01:12:26.805
it above their head.

01:12:27.255 --> 01:12:29.265
And it's, it's so
sporadic and fast

01:12:29.265 --> 01:12:30.195
it's bam, bam, bam.

01:12:30.615 --> 01:12:31.875
And that's how
it happens.

01:12:31.875 --> 01:12:34.365
And I've watched lots
and lots of footage of

01:12:34.395 --> 01:12:36.465
prison attacks and knife
fights on the street.

01:12:36.465 --> 01:12:38.985
Cause I do want to have
a good opinion on it

01:12:38.985 --> 01:12:40.415
and I want to be able
to teach this stuff.

01:12:40.565 --> 01:12:40.915
Right.

01:12:40.915 --> 01:12:42.615
So, and that's
how it happens.

01:12:42.615 --> 01:12:44.625
And most of the time, the
defendant doesn't know

01:12:44.655 --> 01:12:46.965
that a knife is being
used against them until

01:12:46.965 --> 01:12:49.005
they see their own blood
flowing or afterwards

01:12:49.335 --> 01:12:51.525
the blood pressure drops,
they actually drop.

01:12:51.705 --> 01:12:53.145
And that's what
happens a lot of times.

01:12:53.535 --> 01:12:55.425
So the way to get around
that is you have to,

01:12:55.575 --> 01:12:57.555
you have to identify
the hands, but there's

01:12:57.555 --> 01:13:00.945
also body language cues
that you can go into

01:13:00.945 --> 01:13:04.245
quite in depth, but
for me, it's the hands.

01:13:04.305 --> 01:13:06.525
It's always, the hands is
the most important thing.

01:13:07.035 --> 01:13:09.375
Um, and not getting
into altercations.

01:13:09.405 --> 01:13:12.225
Now I do advise to comply
in a lot of scenarios

01:13:12.225 --> 01:13:14.795
because there's no point
in dying over an iPhone.

01:13:15.165 --> 01:13:15.355
Right.

01:13:15.355 --> 01:13:18.765
Which can happen and
people are so they're

01:13:18.765 --> 01:13:21.725
not concerned with using
weapons anymore in,

01:13:21.725 --> 01:13:22.905
in places like London.

01:13:22.905 --> 01:13:25.185
I'm sure over here in
certain parts as well.

01:13:26.915 --> 01:13:27.815
Sometimes it's easier.

01:13:27.815 --> 01:13:30.215
It's like, uh,
armed guards.

01:13:30.265 --> 01:13:33.275
Armed professionals, they
carry a gun on their hip

01:13:33.335 --> 01:13:35.345
here in Canada and they
transfer money around

01:13:35.345 --> 01:13:37.295
everyone figures hey,
that, that gun is there

01:13:37.295 --> 01:13:38.555
to protect the money.

01:13:38.975 --> 01:13:39.725
No, you want the money?

01:13:39.725 --> 01:13:42.035
They'll give you the
money, the guns there

01:13:42.035 --> 01:13:43.325
to protect their
life or life from a

01:13:43.325 --> 01:13:44.165
third party, right?

01:13:44.345 --> 01:13:44.615
Yeah.

01:13:44.735 --> 01:13:49.655
Um, similar mindset
I think is beneficial

01:13:49.715 --> 01:13:50.975
in, in most people.

01:13:51.065 --> 01:13:54.425
They want the
iPhone, okay, we can

01:13:54.425 --> 01:13:55.235
get a new iPhone.

01:13:55.715 --> 01:13:59.345
Most, I see, uh,
knives in Canada.

01:13:59.375 --> 01:14:01.115
I carry a pocket knife
have carried a pocket

01:14:01.115 --> 01:14:03.450
knife, oh geez, I was
in elementary school.

01:14:03.450 --> 01:14:05.380
Had a pocket knife I
took the school and I

01:14:05.380 --> 01:14:08.730
remember I lost it, go
into the office, grade

01:14:09.300 --> 01:14:10.440
one I think it was.

01:14:11.010 --> 01:14:15.570
And the admin there
come out and they

01:14:15.570 --> 01:14:16.800
said, oh, we think
we found it for you.

01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:18.450
And it's a big
blue plastic knife.

01:14:18.590 --> 01:14:19.140
No, no, no, no.

01:14:19.140 --> 01:14:20.820
It's, it's black,
it's folding and

01:14:20.820 --> 01:14:21.600
it looks like this.

01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:23.670
And you mean
like a real life?

01:14:23.889 --> 01:14:24.559
Yeah, right.

01:14:24.559 --> 01:14:26.220
So I've carried
a pocket knife.

01:14:26.220 --> 01:14:28.470
Most of my life
it's become more and

01:14:28.470 --> 01:14:30.540
more, uh, common.

01:14:30.570 --> 01:14:32.650
They just a little clip
on type knives, it's

01:14:32.650 --> 01:14:33.750
perfectly legal to do.

01:14:34.530 --> 01:14:37.950
And I see some people
look at it as something

01:14:37.950 --> 01:14:39.870
that might be a good
self-defense tool.

01:14:41.700 --> 01:14:45.809
And I have to wonder if
they've ever seen what

01:14:45.809 --> 01:14:49.559
a knife can do because
at close range it's

01:14:49.559 --> 01:14:50.880
absolutely devastating.

01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:52.559
And if you think you're
using it just to get

01:14:52.559 --> 01:14:54.510
yourself out of a little
fight, I mean, you don't

01:14:54.510 --> 01:14:56.370
have to step too deep
in certain areas and

01:14:56.370 --> 01:14:57.300
you've killed the person.

01:14:57.540 --> 01:14:57.840
Yeah.

01:14:58.080 --> 01:14:58.769
And yeah.

01:15:00.059 --> 01:15:02.040
These people that are
carrying the knives

01:15:02.070 --> 01:15:04.559
they might be have, they
might not necessarily

01:15:04.559 --> 01:15:07.440
be, uh, criminally
minded to begin with.

01:15:07.440 --> 01:15:09.309
They might just be the
average, joe blo who's

01:15:09.309 --> 01:15:10.799
out there carrying a
knife, who's now having

01:15:10.799 --> 01:15:13.320
a bad day, you get in
a road rage incident

01:15:13.320 --> 01:15:15.089
and they decide, okay,
I'll use this as my

01:15:15.089 --> 01:15:16.780
self-defense to or
whatever it might.

01:15:17.780 --> 01:15:19.969
Um, what do they say?

01:15:20.599 --> 01:15:23.059
God made man, Sam
Colt made man equal.

01:15:23.839 --> 01:15:25.280
It is a great,
these weapons are

01:15:25.309 --> 01:15:26.389
great equalizer.

01:15:27.919 --> 01:15:33.110
I would think though,
although illegal, uh,

01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:37.190
dog spray, which isn't
illegal to carry for

01:15:37.190 --> 01:15:40.070
dogs, but if you carry
a pepper spray for

01:15:40.070 --> 01:15:43.250
people, a dog spray
would probably be a

01:15:43.250 --> 01:15:44.600
pretty effective tool.

01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:45.220
Yeah.

01:15:45.220 --> 01:15:46.960
I think that's quite
a good equalizer.

01:15:47.320 --> 01:15:49.150
Um, and it gives you
that time to escape

01:15:49.180 --> 01:15:51.430
because the goal is
always to escape is not

01:15:51.430 --> 01:15:52.490
to stand and engage.

01:15:52.660 --> 01:15:53.030
Right.

01:15:53.110 --> 01:15:53.389
Yeah.

01:15:53.420 --> 01:15:54.760
And also with knives.

01:15:54.820 --> 01:15:55.810
Um, yeah.

01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:57.790
I don't ever recommend
people to carry it for

01:15:57.790 --> 01:15:59.350
self-defense because
you're bringing in that,

01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:02.260
that weapon into the
fold and it's going to,

01:16:02.440 --> 01:16:04.120
if you're not willing
to use it, it's going

01:16:04.120 --> 01:16:06.310
to get taken off and
used against you most

01:16:06.310 --> 01:16:08.740
likely and then legal
repercussions as well.

01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:10.690
Although a lot of
people focus on the

01:16:10.690 --> 01:16:11.680
legal repercussions.

01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:13.810
I think you need to do
what you need to do to

01:16:13.810 --> 01:16:16.150
survive, first of all,
deal with that after.

01:16:16.660 --> 01:16:18.220
But that's my
personal opinion.

01:16:18.340 --> 01:16:18.790
I agree.

01:16:19.060 --> 01:16:22.150
Um, but yeah, I, I
never really promote

01:16:22.150 --> 01:16:25.120
the use of these weapons
because I try to have

01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:26.110
a global audience.

01:16:27.490 --> 01:16:30.570
Situational awareness
is complimentary to

01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:31.440
firearms training.

01:16:31.470 --> 01:16:33.540
For instance, there's
no point in having a

01:16:33.540 --> 01:16:36.180
firearm if you can't
see the threat early

01:16:36.210 --> 01:16:38.220
and then draw and get
rounds down on it, if

01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:39.360
you're allowed to do
that in your country.

01:16:39.590 --> 01:16:39.800
Right.

01:16:40.310 --> 01:16:41.510
Do you know
what I'm saying?

01:16:41.540 --> 01:16:42.020
Yes.

01:16:42.140 --> 01:16:43.250
Um, are you allowed?

01:16:43.370 --> 01:16:47.150
Yes and no, that's a
whole other conversation.

01:16:47.210 --> 01:16:47.600
Yeah.

01:16:48.110 --> 01:16:50.030
But yeah.

01:16:50.030 --> 01:16:51.890
The weapon, use of
weapons, like pepper

01:16:51.890 --> 01:16:53.690
spray for instance,
we don't have this in

01:16:53.690 --> 01:16:56.180
England, so I've, I've
grown up with a warped

01:16:56.180 --> 01:16:58.280
perception of even
firearms, even though

01:16:58.280 --> 01:16:59.990
I was in the military,
I've had, I haven't

01:16:59.990 --> 01:17:00.620
grown up with it.

01:17:00.620 --> 01:17:02.600
So it's been a bit
alien to me for

01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:03.470
civilians to have it.

01:17:03.470 --> 01:17:04.750
And now that I'm
in a country that

01:17:05.140 --> 01:17:06.045
civilians allowed it.

01:17:06.045 --> 01:17:10.394
I do like it a lot to be
honest, even if we're not

01:17:10.845 --> 01:17:12.855
using it for self defense
purpose, I think it's

01:17:12.855 --> 01:17:16.095
got of value in it to
have it in society for.

01:17:16.655 --> 01:17:17.195
I agree.

01:17:17.555 --> 01:17:22.085
Well, that kind of,
kind of segues into

01:17:22.115 --> 01:17:24.125
a Instagram posts
that I think you

01:17:24.125 --> 01:17:26.764
released yesterday,
which I thought was

01:17:26.764 --> 01:17:30.095
incredibly relevant and
I couldn't agree more.

01:17:30.455 --> 01:17:30.695
Okay.

01:17:30.785 --> 01:17:32.675
Albeit a little
bit cryptic,

01:17:32.945 --> 01:17:34.445
intentionally, I'm sure.

01:17:35.165 --> 01:17:38.974
And you said, hold the
line and you're talking

01:17:38.974 --> 01:17:42.095
about situational
awareness and less, less

01:17:42.095 --> 01:17:45.035
of personal individual
context and more of

01:17:45.035 --> 01:17:47.945
a global context or
global thought context.

01:17:48.485 --> 01:17:51.394
Um, if I'm picking up
on what you're saying,

01:17:51.425 --> 01:17:52.545
is that something
that we can talk?

01:17:53.005 --> 01:17:55.015
Yeah, I'll openly talk
about, I didn't know

01:17:55.015 --> 01:17:57.145
if you'd want to talk
about that, to be honest.

01:17:57.145 --> 01:17:58.125
Oh hey I'm, I.

01:17:58.615 --> 01:17:58.895
Yeah.

01:17:59.135 --> 01:18:03.715
Cause I see from my, I
have a very investigative

01:18:03.745 --> 01:18:06.445
mind and I see that we
have a lot of things

01:18:06.445 --> 01:18:08.035
going on at the moment
and there's a lot of

01:18:08.035 --> 01:18:08.995
other things going on.

01:18:09.055 --> 01:18:12.505
I feel like the playing
field for international

01:18:12.505 --> 01:18:14.635
conflicts or any other
sort of conflicts has

01:18:14.635 --> 01:18:17.545
changed our minds,
our perceptions and

01:18:17.545 --> 01:18:18.885
where we're giving
our attention or our

01:18:18.885 --> 01:18:22.575
opinions are the real
commodity these days.

01:18:22.675 --> 01:18:23.005
Yes.

01:18:23.094 --> 01:18:25.765
And whether you're
following the mainstream

01:18:25.765 --> 01:18:28.495
media or you're following
other sources on

01:18:28.495 --> 01:18:32.605
social media, there is
propaganda, is a scary

01:18:32.605 --> 01:18:33.445
word to say, and there.

01:18:33.445 --> 01:18:33.585
Sure.

01:18:33.585 --> 01:18:34.995
Is misinformation
and information

01:18:34.995 --> 01:18:36.325
on both sides.

01:18:36.825 --> 01:18:39.764
And I don't really
know what's going on.

01:18:39.915 --> 01:18:41.775
I think there is
something else that

01:18:41.775 --> 01:18:45.275
we, the people are not
savvy to and I don't,

01:18:45.715 --> 01:18:48.660
I just see things that,
uh, are not normal.

01:18:48.660 --> 01:18:50.280
Like the last two
years are not normal.

01:18:50.430 --> 01:18:50.760
Right.

01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:56.460
Um, so I just, my, my F
I follow a lot of people

01:18:56.460 --> 01:18:59.519
on the right, in, um,
in America and stuff.

01:18:59.519 --> 01:19:01.500
And a lot of my
self-defense injuries

01:19:01.500 --> 01:19:01.980
on the right.

01:19:02.309 --> 01:19:04.170
And they're very
much sound about

01:19:04.170 --> 01:19:05.519
freedoms all the time.

01:19:05.790 --> 01:19:08.730
I am actually, my
opinions have been left

01:19:08.730 --> 01:19:11.309
leaning, but I don't
follow any political

01:19:11.309 --> 01:19:13.740
party, but at the
moment I'm standing

01:19:13.740 --> 01:19:15.059
firmly with the right.

01:19:15.510 --> 01:19:19.200
Um, just because of, I
think history shows us

01:19:19.200 --> 01:19:21.210
some things that have
happened in the past,

01:19:21.210 --> 01:19:22.769
and there's certain
issues that we do need to

01:19:23.100 --> 01:19:24.210
like, hold the line on.

01:19:24.210 --> 01:19:24.350
Um.

01:19:25.230 --> 01:19:25.690
Yes.

01:19:26.110 --> 01:19:28.865
And I, it's a very
hot topic and.

01:19:29.095 --> 01:19:32.155
You're talking, I think,
about personal privacy.

01:19:32.545 --> 01:19:35.485
Is that in relation
to a COVID passports?

01:19:35.765 --> 01:19:36.205
It is.

01:19:36.235 --> 01:19:36.435
Yeah.

01:19:36.435 --> 01:19:37.065
Yes.

01:19:37.225 --> 01:19:40.165
And it's hard to
talk about these

01:19:40.165 --> 01:19:42.365
subjects without
conspiracy theory.

01:19:42.455 --> 01:19:45.955
Without wearing a label
of a tinfoil hat or flat

01:19:45.955 --> 01:19:48.175
earther or whatever.

01:19:48.175 --> 01:19:51.085
Exactly, because I do
follow, I follow the

01:19:51.085 --> 01:19:52.855
left on Instagram, I
follow the right, I

01:19:52.855 --> 01:19:54.595
want to be informed
about what's going on.

01:19:54.595 --> 01:19:58.495
And I don't think we get
in fully informed or the

01:19:58.495 --> 01:20:01.045
full picture of every
scenario and everything

01:20:01.075 --> 01:20:01.705
that's happening.

01:20:02.185 --> 01:20:04.285
Uh, I just like to
take a step back and

01:20:04.285 --> 01:20:07.615
see is this really?

01:20:08.185 --> 01:20:09.955
There's a lot of fear
mongering and I have

01:20:09.985 --> 01:20:13.015
personal experience
of being around.

01:20:13.075 --> 01:20:16.435
I can't talk about, but
being around the owners.

01:20:18.780 --> 01:20:20.550
Uh, I've seen
some red flags all

01:20:20.550 --> 01:20:21.420
along this journey.

01:20:22.020 --> 01:20:22.890
I don't know.

01:20:23.100 --> 01:20:24.990
I like, I don't think
there's a lot of people

01:20:24.990 --> 01:20:26.460
out there saying this
is the way it is.

01:20:26.460 --> 01:20:27.300
This is the way it is.

01:20:28.380 --> 01:20:30.570
There's pipeline
information these days.

01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:33.180
Like if there's Netflix
documentaries on it and

01:20:33.180 --> 01:20:36.120
the creators of these
algorithms on Twitter

01:20:36.120 --> 01:20:37.950
and that have openly
said they didn't want it

01:20:37.950 --> 01:20:40.410
to go down this route,
but it has, if you're

01:20:40.440 --> 01:20:42.720
giving your attention
to one platform, if

01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:44.760
that platform starts
giving you information,

01:20:44.790 --> 01:20:46.650
you disagree with,
you're going to discard

01:20:46.650 --> 01:20:48.120
that platform and
go to another one.

01:20:48.270 --> 01:20:48.570
Right.

01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:50.670
So why would they
give you opinions of

01:20:50.670 --> 01:20:51.660
the opposite side?

01:20:52.470 --> 01:20:54.660
Even if we're not
talking about government

01:20:54.660 --> 01:20:56.760
conspiracies, we're
talking about business

01:20:56.820 --> 01:20:58.080
models as well.

01:20:58.710 --> 01:21:00.960
Um, I don't
know a solution.

01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:03.360
I just, I just feel
like there's something

01:21:03.660 --> 01:21:07.190
else to this picture
that we're not knowing

01:21:07.190 --> 01:21:08.000
what's going on.

01:21:08.190 --> 01:21:14.985
I, you know, I look at
it and part of it, it

01:21:14.985 --> 01:21:16.995
looks like a marketing
problem, right?

01:21:17.175 --> 01:21:20.505
Some of it is how do
we get information out

01:21:20.505 --> 01:21:23.835
in front of people in
order to provide them

01:21:23.835 --> 01:21:25.755
with all the information
so that they can make

01:21:25.755 --> 01:21:26.775
informed decisions.

01:21:27.285 --> 01:21:32.955
And that has not been
executed well, in any

01:21:32.955 --> 01:21:34.125
country that I've seen.

01:21:35.115 --> 01:21:37.815
And most people will
get their information

01:21:37.905 --> 01:21:39.945
traditionally
through new sources.

01:21:40.065 --> 01:21:42.825
And now through social
media or through search

01:21:42.825 --> 01:21:46.395
engines, which are all
tightly intertwined,

01:21:46.635 --> 01:21:50.235
the, like Google owns
YouTube and Facebook

01:21:50.235 --> 01:21:52.995
owns Instagram and
they're, they're very,

01:21:53.025 --> 01:21:54.555
fairly well intertwined.

01:21:55.065 --> 01:22:01.290
And I think that there
is a, uh, a fundamental

01:22:01.290 --> 01:22:03.750
desire in these
organizations to provide

01:22:03.750 --> 01:22:06.600
people with the best
possible information and

01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.540
maybe some altruistic
ideas of how, how people

01:22:09.540 --> 01:22:11.070
should be living or
how people should be

01:22:11.070 --> 01:22:12.030
treating each other.

01:22:12.480 --> 01:22:16.410
But it gets scary
when they sort of

01:22:16.440 --> 01:22:19.230
take on the role as
the arbiter of truth.

01:22:19.440 --> 01:22:22.620
And they will say,
well, this is the true

01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:25.350
information, and this
is untrue information.

01:22:25.350 --> 01:22:27.840
So we won't show this
one when we will show

01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:29.820
this or we'll alter
this information.

01:22:30.300 --> 01:22:33.780
And that, from a history
perspective, is scary.

01:22:33.810 --> 01:22:36.360
And I don't know if it's
necessarily some deep

01:22:36.360 --> 01:22:39.060
seated conspiracy or
more just human nature

01:22:39.060 --> 01:22:43.470
playing out in a way
that it has played out in

01:22:43.470 --> 01:22:47.090
the past, and will play
out again in the future.

01:22:47.490 --> 01:22:47.700
Yeah.

01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:48.290
And.

01:22:48.710 --> 01:22:50.500
Oh, it's quite refreshing
to hear you speak

01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:52.310
and we should have
these conversations.

01:22:52.310 --> 01:22:53.870
I think that's the
most important thing,

01:22:54.230 --> 01:22:56.320
cause everyone I've
spoke about, spoken to

01:22:56.330 --> 01:22:59.120
about this issue has
had a similar opinion.

01:22:59.120 --> 01:23:01.790
And so you've got valid
points in this issue.

01:23:02.150 --> 01:23:04.730
Um, but I don't think
we're allowed to have

01:23:04.730 --> 01:23:08.210
these conversations and
it's a strange time that

01:23:08.210 --> 01:23:09.110
we're in at the moment.

01:23:09.860 --> 01:23:13.250
Um, that like people
are so attached to

01:23:13.280 --> 01:23:15.440
beliefs a lot of the
time it is because

01:23:15.440 --> 01:23:19.190
they're on a political
side, um, that no one's

01:23:19.190 --> 01:23:21.050
really looking at the
issue independently.

01:23:21.470 --> 01:23:26.270
And without the, the
big C stuff, last year,

01:23:26.400 --> 01:23:28.370
mainly in America,
there's a lot of stuff

01:23:28.400 --> 01:23:31.880
that's happening that
has outside influence,

01:23:31.950 --> 01:23:34.800
in my opinion, coming
from a military sort of

01:23:35.250 --> 01:23:38.580
intelligence mind and the
tactics that are being

01:23:38.580 --> 01:23:40.830
used inside of America,
wherever that, I don't

01:23:40.830 --> 01:23:43.110
know who it's from, are
actually some of the

01:23:43.110 --> 01:23:47.340
tactics that America has
used to, uh, influence

01:23:47.370 --> 01:23:49.380
other governments in
third world countries

01:23:49.380 --> 01:23:50.490
for, for a long time.

01:23:51.030 --> 01:23:54.180
Um, and my opinion
is, I don't know

01:23:54.180 --> 01:23:54.840
what's going on.

01:23:54.900 --> 01:23:55.170
Right.

01:23:55.440 --> 01:23:57.960
But I am, I'm starting
to question some

01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.780
things and, um, I don't
know what, I don't

01:24:00.780 --> 01:24:01.590
know what's going on.

01:24:01.890 --> 01:24:03.600
That's the, uh,
the big issue.

01:24:03.830 --> 01:24:05.300
I think that's an
important point.

01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:09.170
I mean, it's not like, I
haven't heard anyone come

01:24:09.170 --> 01:24:11.510
out with what I think to
be the definitive answer

01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:13.610
and I'll agree that some
people that come out

01:24:13.610 --> 01:24:17.150
with some, uh, ideas
can sound really cooky,

01:24:17.370 --> 01:24:21.050
on both ends of the
spectrum, but the ability

01:24:21.050 --> 01:24:23.900
to have that conversation
and to carefully weigh

01:24:23.900 --> 01:24:25.790
all of the information
that's readily available

01:24:26.610 --> 01:24:29.339
is the point that I
think is currently,

01:24:29.969 --> 01:24:31.769
uh, the difficulty.

01:24:32.190 --> 01:24:35.339
I mean, so many people
are, they seem to have

01:24:35.339 --> 01:24:38.460
their whole lives and
personalities, um,

01:24:39.150 --> 01:24:42.120
intertwined with either
a political idea or

01:24:43.200 --> 01:24:44.160
some sort of an idea.

01:24:44.160 --> 01:24:46.019
Whereas if you question
that you're now

01:24:46.019 --> 01:24:48.030
questioning them and
their life and who they

01:24:48.030 --> 01:24:50.129
are, and they can't
seem to separate that

01:24:50.129 --> 01:24:52.320
from themselves and look
at it objectively and

01:24:52.320 --> 01:24:54.540
come up with objective
ideas on one side or

01:24:54.540 --> 01:24:56.519
the other, or rebuttals,
and maybe they're,

01:24:56.700 --> 01:24:58.530
maybe they're a thousand
percent right and you're

01:24:58.530 --> 01:25:00.450
a thousand percent
wrong, but the evidence

01:25:00.450 --> 01:25:02.009
should stand on its own.

01:25:02.580 --> 01:25:06.960
Rather, it seems to be
the knee jerk reaction.

01:25:07.230 --> 01:25:08.610
If you're not
with us, you're

01:25:08.610 --> 01:25:09.839
obviously against us.

01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:12.240
Or if you asked a
question, it's because

01:25:12.240 --> 01:25:16.320
you're not with us
and from a situational

01:25:16.320 --> 01:25:19.380
awareness at a much
larger scale, I think

01:25:19.380 --> 01:25:23.310
that is a very important
conversation that people

01:25:23.310 --> 01:25:24.270
need to be having.

01:25:24.360 --> 01:25:26.220
And I'm not going to
say one way or the

01:25:26.220 --> 01:25:28.230
other, cause I just like
you, I don't have the

01:25:28.230 --> 01:25:31.110
information and I don't
have the ability to

01:25:31.110 --> 01:25:35.070
separate the wheat from
the chaff on it, but to

01:25:35.070 --> 01:25:36.960
be able to discuss it
and try and gather that

01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:39.990
information, I think is
a very important piece.

01:25:39.990 --> 01:25:42.450
And when we start
looking at restricting

01:25:42.450 --> 01:25:47.190
people's ability to,
uh, of movement and

01:25:47.250 --> 01:25:50.760
to attend, I guess,
discretionary activities,

01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:51.630
whatever that is.

01:25:51.630 --> 01:25:53.700
I mean, there's a list
of, I think, 13 things,

01:25:53.700 --> 01:25:56.730
which is very broad and
very narrow at the same

01:25:56.730 --> 01:25:58.500
time, depending on how
you want to interpret it.

01:25:58.680 --> 01:25:58.920
Yeah.

01:25:59.400 --> 01:26:02.850
Um, based on, uh,
your medical history.

01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:08.460
But not applying that
same logic to any number

01:26:08.460 --> 01:26:10.110
of other medical issues
that are out there.

01:26:10.240 --> 01:26:13.680
It starts to get scary.

01:26:13.950 --> 01:26:17.220
I mean, it's um, yeah,
I think it's definitely

01:26:17.220 --> 01:26:19.170
something people need to
be keeping their eyes on.

01:26:19.320 --> 01:26:19.800
Yeah.

01:26:19.910 --> 01:26:22.280
I think there is some
weight to question.

01:26:22.340 --> 01:26:25.040
And, uh, the biggest
thing that stands out

01:26:25.040 --> 01:26:27.620
for me is the shutdown
of any sort of debate

01:26:27.620 --> 01:26:28.510
about the topic.

01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:29.730
Right.

01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:32.180
Which is a red flag
in my opinion, we

01:26:32.180 --> 01:26:33.950
should, we're all
adults here, we should

01:26:33.950 --> 01:26:37.310
all be able to discuss
and, and debate on it.

01:26:37.670 --> 01:26:40.880
Um, and I think
that some arguments

01:26:40.905 --> 01:26:41.715
are not being seen.

01:26:41.715 --> 01:26:43.184
We've seen this in
America and that's

01:26:43.184 --> 01:26:44.804
the problem with the
way the information is

01:26:44.804 --> 01:26:47.985
given around now, that
censorship can happen.

01:26:48.674 --> 01:26:50.945
From my perspective,
I like to see all the

01:26:50.945 --> 01:26:53.594
angles and step back
and look at everything.

01:26:53.894 --> 01:26:56.764
Um, if the intelligence
agencies look at my phone

01:26:56.764 --> 01:26:58.825
and the groups that I
follow, I follow some

01:26:58.844 --> 01:27:01.695
crazy stuff because I
want to see these people

01:27:01.695 --> 01:27:03.465
that have the opposite
view and they're real

01:27:03.465 --> 01:27:06.224
diehard on it, I want
to know, there must be

01:27:06.224 --> 01:27:08.245
something that they're
seeing that I'm not.

01:27:08.264 --> 01:27:11.205
If they really believe it
then like there's gotta

01:27:11.215 --> 01:27:12.075
be something to that.

01:27:12.255 --> 01:27:13.514
I want to talk to
these people and

01:27:13.514 --> 01:27:14.924
understand where
they're coming from.

01:27:15.045 --> 01:27:15.285
Right.

01:27:15.315 --> 01:27:17.775
Not really cool and
call them stupid or.

01:27:18.014 --> 01:27:18.264
Right.

01:27:18.405 --> 01:27:21.134
Um, and I'll see, I
just see red flags

01:27:21.195 --> 01:27:24.245
and I, I am just a
bystander watching.

01:27:24.245 --> 01:27:24.425
Sure.

01:27:24.845 --> 01:27:28.215
Um, but I feel my duty
as a, as a human and I'm

01:27:28.215 --> 01:27:31.535
a family man, everything
I do now is to lay

01:27:31.535 --> 01:27:34.594
the foundations for my
daughter to grow up in.

01:27:35.075 --> 01:27:37.025
And I don't want to
cross any boundaries

01:27:37.054 --> 01:27:39.875
where, uh, in the
past, when we give away

01:27:39.875 --> 01:27:43.034
certain rights, we don't
typically get them back.

01:27:43.355 --> 01:27:43.634
No.

01:27:43.784 --> 01:27:45.575
Um, and I've come from
a government high-end

01:27:45.575 --> 01:27:48.485
government, um, having
like clearances and

01:27:48.485 --> 01:27:52.714
stuff, but, you know,
every individual person

01:27:52.714 --> 01:27:56.464
should be able to make
decisions on their own as

01:27:56.464 --> 01:27:59.285
long as they get the most
information balanced.

01:27:59.365 --> 01:28:02.184
And I don't necessarily
think it's a, I don't

01:28:02.184 --> 01:28:05.184
think it's a, uh,
overall government

01:28:05.184 --> 01:28:08.995
conspiracy or corporate
conspiracy, but there's

01:28:08.995 --> 01:28:11.275
always going to be
money and power, right?

01:28:11.275 --> 01:28:13.315
The two big corruptors,
money and power or

01:28:13.315 --> 01:28:15.594
perceived, perception
of money or power.

01:28:16.434 --> 01:28:19.075
And there will be some
that will take advantage

01:28:19.495 --> 01:28:22.105
of these situations to
one side or the other.

01:28:22.105 --> 01:28:23.785
So there's always going
to be those elements,

01:28:25.615 --> 01:28:29.685
but I think it's a
level of group think

01:28:29.715 --> 01:28:33.695
that is happening
right now, which is

01:28:34.265 --> 01:28:35.435
very, very concerning.

01:28:35.735 --> 01:28:40.115
And when I guess it would
be kind of like, um, uh,

01:28:41.565 --> 01:28:44.015
collecting a baseline and
going into a new place.

01:28:44.165 --> 01:28:46.325
And we've, we've come
from a couple of years

01:28:46.325 --> 01:28:48.665
ago, a certain mindset
and a certain attitude

01:28:48.995 --> 01:28:50.945
and if we were to drop
two years ago into right

01:28:50.945 --> 01:28:53.585
now and take a look
and take a baseline, I

01:28:53.585 --> 01:28:55.385
think there'd be quite
a shock to most people.

01:28:56.285 --> 01:28:59.885
Whereas the whole boiling
frog here, you turn

01:28:59.885 --> 01:29:02.315
the water up slowly and
more and more rights

01:29:02.315 --> 01:29:03.215
are starting to go.

01:29:03.815 --> 01:29:10.094
Um, yeah, I think, uh, I
don't have answers to it.

01:29:10.275 --> 01:29:11.865
It was, it was an
interesting post that

01:29:11.865 --> 01:29:13.995
you put up there and I'm
just very delicately,

01:29:14.325 --> 01:29:16.905
delicately speaking about
this, and I'm sure we'll

01:29:16.905 --> 01:29:18.825
probably have some people
that comment on this.

01:29:19.514 --> 01:29:21.945
Um, just because the
whole point of The

01:29:21.945 --> 01:29:25.634
Silvercore Podcast
is to, uh, speak with

01:29:25.815 --> 01:29:26.894
passionate people.

01:29:26.925 --> 01:29:29.925
People who have done
extraordinary things and

01:29:29.925 --> 01:29:32.205
share that passion and
information with others.

01:29:32.865 --> 01:29:35.384
And I don't necessarily
want to be taking it

01:29:35.384 --> 01:29:37.965
into some, uh, divergent
area, but it just tied

01:29:37.965 --> 01:29:41.205
so well into the whole
situational awareness

01:29:41.325 --> 01:29:42.884
and the fact that it
was timely that you

01:29:42.884 --> 01:29:43.905
posted it last night.

01:29:44.565 --> 01:29:49.184
Um, I do think that
people should be taking

01:29:49.184 --> 01:29:53.025
a moment to separate
their ideology, their

01:29:53.025 --> 01:29:56.355
ideas, putting it out
in a separate place

01:29:56.535 --> 01:29:59.625
and looking at it with
the pros and cons of

01:29:59.625 --> 01:30:01.665
all the different sides
and making a measured

01:30:01.665 --> 01:30:05.355
decision before just
jumping on the wave

01:30:05.415 --> 01:30:06.934
of what everyone else
seems to be saying.

01:30:06.934 --> 01:30:07.025
Yes.

01:30:07.414 --> 01:30:08.625
Cause this pendulum
will swing.

01:30:08.865 --> 01:30:09.105
Yeah.

01:30:09.105 --> 01:30:09.644
I agree.

01:30:09.855 --> 01:30:12.965
That, that's part of the
attention, the reason

01:30:12.965 --> 01:30:15.065
I've put that post up to
try and draw attention,

01:30:15.695 --> 01:30:17.764
because I don't want to
go through, I've always

01:30:17.764 --> 01:30:19.894
been someone, like I
said to step forward when

01:30:19.955 --> 01:30:21.785
other people were a bit
like, mm I'm not sure.

01:30:22.144 --> 01:30:24.035
And this is something
that I think we just

01:30:24.035 --> 01:30:26.525
need to talk about
with our families and

01:30:26.525 --> 01:30:27.245
the people we know.

01:30:27.425 --> 01:30:27.635
Right.

01:30:27.655 --> 01:30:29.525
Discuss, because
I'm going to be

01:30:29.525 --> 01:30:30.845
wrong on any issues.

01:30:30.845 --> 01:30:33.155
And the reason why
I'm I've moved up, I'm

01:30:33.155 --> 01:30:35.585
not right thinking,
but I've changed.

01:30:35.945 --> 01:30:38.764
I've been speaking with
people and I did a long

01:30:38.764 --> 01:30:40.865
job with, uh, one person
in particular who's a

01:30:40.865 --> 01:30:43.684
Canadian military guy,
um, right leaning.

01:30:43.684 --> 01:30:45.095
And we had a lot of
discussions, we had

01:30:45.095 --> 01:30:46.175
spent a lot of time
with each other.

01:30:46.175 --> 01:30:49.625
And a lot of the stuff he
was saying was very true

01:30:49.745 --> 01:30:50.885
and I changed my opinion.

01:30:51.260 --> 01:30:51.590
Right.

01:30:51.639 --> 01:30:54.429
Did and I respect
his opinion and we

01:30:54.429 --> 01:30:56.110
did disagreed on
some things as well.

01:30:57.099 --> 01:30:58.730
That's healthy, that's
how it should be.

01:30:58.950 --> 01:30:59.130
Right.

01:30:59.130 --> 01:31:01.420
We should, I think the
left, I am not left.

01:31:01.809 --> 01:31:02.110
Right.

01:31:02.179 --> 01:31:04.570
I am not, uh, at
the end of the day,

01:31:04.570 --> 01:31:06.130
but I did have some
views of the left.

01:31:06.130 --> 01:31:07.030
I have some
views that right.

01:31:07.030 --> 01:31:09.849
And I kind of pick,
to be honest, I see

01:31:09.849 --> 01:31:11.889
a broken system here.

01:31:12.340 --> 01:31:14.139
Um, but that's
another conversation

01:31:14.139 --> 01:31:14.560
for another day.

01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:15.310
I think so.

01:31:15.340 --> 01:31:17.610
No, I, I believe the
way it should work, like

01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:20.220
left to kind of bring new
ideas in and the right

01:31:20.220 --> 01:31:22.620
is really holding society
and keeping things going

01:31:22.620 --> 01:31:25.800
and strong work ethic,
work ethic and create

01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:27.840
occasionally the left is
going to say some things

01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:30.720
in the right's coming out
right now, wind it back.

01:31:30.750 --> 01:31:31.470
Right, right, right.

01:31:31.470 --> 01:31:32.610
Bit silly they're okay.

01:31:32.610 --> 01:31:33.510
But sometimes they are.

01:31:33.540 --> 01:31:33.930
Okay.

01:31:33.990 --> 01:31:34.200
Yeah.

01:31:34.200 --> 01:31:35.040
That's a good idea.

01:31:35.040 --> 01:31:37.530
And, and vice versa,
but that was my kind of

01:31:37.530 --> 01:31:40.050
opinion traditionally on,
on the left and right.

01:31:40.590 --> 01:31:43.020
Um, and at the moment,
I think we're, we're

01:31:43.020 --> 01:31:45.090
not getting that, uh,
debate cause everyone's

01:31:45.090 --> 01:31:46.710
just wants to shout
down at each other.

01:31:47.070 --> 01:31:47.340
Right.

01:31:47.370 --> 01:31:48.840
And that's global
and it's not just

01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:49.920
here in America.

01:31:50.010 --> 01:31:51.810
I could see that
back home in England

01:31:51.810 --> 01:31:52.650
as well and the UK.

01:31:53.700 --> 01:31:56.150
Like being able
to be open to

01:31:56.150 --> 01:31:57.320
reasonable persuasion.

01:31:57.380 --> 01:31:58.460
And I tell that
to my kids.

01:31:58.460 --> 01:32:00.470
I said, don't become
positional, right?

01:32:00.470 --> 01:32:06.050
If you have, unless
it's contrary to your

01:32:06.080 --> 01:32:08.810
core values, your
morals, your ethics.

01:32:09.750 --> 01:32:11.130
Great take that position.

01:32:11.190 --> 01:32:13.260
Cause that's, that's
what defines you, right?

01:32:13.260 --> 01:32:16.020
But on most issues,
don't become positional,

01:32:16.650 --> 01:32:19.110
make your decision
based on best available

01:32:19.170 --> 01:32:22.350
information, but be open
to reasonable persuasion.

01:32:22.440 --> 01:32:24.600
And it's that one last
piece of the puzzle

01:32:24.630 --> 01:32:27.480
being open to reasonable
persuasion that I find

01:32:27.480 --> 01:32:30.030
most people are missing
on both sides of the

01:32:30.030 --> 01:32:32.550
argument, the will
take their position

01:32:32.550 --> 01:32:34.740
and it doesn't matter
what comes in, what

01:32:34.740 --> 01:32:37.290
information will come
their way, they then will

01:32:37.290 --> 01:32:38.520
defend that position.

01:32:38.670 --> 01:32:40.560
And that's a sure-fire
way to find yourself in

01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:43.410
a situation where you'll
eventually end up losing.

01:32:43.590 --> 01:32:45.450
You gotta be able to
be adaptable and you

01:32:45.450 --> 01:32:47.370
gotta be able to always
position yourself in a

01:32:47.370 --> 01:32:48.960
way where you can't lose.

01:32:49.020 --> 01:32:51.780
And the best way to do
that is to be open to

01:32:51.780 --> 01:32:52.980
reasonable persuasion.

01:32:53.150 --> 01:32:54.610
And don't be positional.

01:32:54.890 --> 01:32:55.490
Yeah, I

01:32:55.490 --> 01:32:55.850
agree.

01:32:55.970 --> 01:32:56.270
Yeah.

01:32:56.360 --> 01:32:57.350
That's a good way
of putting it.

01:32:57.980 --> 01:33:00.620
Um, so yeah, interesting.

01:33:00.620 --> 01:33:01.700
I really liked that post.

01:33:01.700 --> 01:33:03.860
I'm glad that you put
it up there cause it

01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:05.630
forced the conversation,
well it didn't force

01:33:05.630 --> 01:33:07.160
it, but it brought the
conversation on this

01:33:07.160 --> 01:33:10.005
podcast because it's
something that I do feel

01:33:10.005 --> 01:33:12.445
strongly about and it
is a little bit of a, a,

01:33:12.625 --> 01:33:15.045
a sidestep from what we
normally talk about, but

01:33:15.045 --> 01:33:17.405
I think it's an important
thing to, uh, bring up.

01:33:17.555 --> 01:33:17.855
Yeah.

01:33:17.995 --> 01:33:19.025
It's a hot topic.

01:33:19.235 --> 01:33:19.745
It is.

01:33:19.805 --> 01:33:20.825
It is a hot topic.

01:33:21.195 --> 01:33:22.985
So your course, that
you're selling on

01:33:22.985 --> 01:33:26.205
SixSight.co isn't
being sold anymore.

01:33:26.465 --> 01:33:26.805
No.

01:33:27.515 --> 01:33:28.235
Tell me about that.

01:33:29.205 --> 01:33:31.155
I took some marketing
advice, I'm going

01:33:31.155 --> 01:33:32.715
to be honest, I'm
a genuine guy.

01:33:33.135 --> 01:33:35.085
And like I've done
a lot of things.

01:33:35.355 --> 01:33:37.665
I've pieced together
a training platform

01:33:37.665 --> 01:33:39.855
that was very, I
think it's very good.

01:33:40.425 --> 01:33:42.165
I put my name behind it.

01:33:42.165 --> 01:33:44.055
I've put my face on it
now, which I never put

01:33:44.055 --> 01:33:46.005
my face on Instagram
until I started

01:33:46.005 --> 01:33:46.755
launching this course.

01:33:47.115 --> 01:33:49.975
But traditionally for
me, I started my SixSight

01:33:49.995 --> 01:33:53.595
as an information hub to
give out the skills I've

01:33:53.595 --> 01:33:55.665
learned throughout my
career and the experience

01:33:55.665 --> 01:33:56.175
I've picked up.

01:33:56.175 --> 01:33:57.285
And I was given
it out for free.

01:33:57.735 --> 01:34:00.855
Um, and to put a price
tag on it, it didn't

01:34:00.855 --> 01:34:01.695
sit well with me.

01:34:02.085 --> 01:34:05.235
It didn't, and I've had
some time to think about

01:34:05.235 --> 01:34:07.965
it and now it's free
to those who need it.

01:34:08.295 --> 01:34:10.815
And if anybody has, is
doing okay, because some

01:34:10.815 --> 01:34:12.705
people aren't doing okay,
they can get it for free

01:34:12.705 --> 01:34:14.325
and they can learn and
they can hopefully get

01:34:14.325 --> 01:34:15.555
out of bad situations.

01:34:15.895 --> 01:34:18.205
And those of you out
there that could pay

01:34:18.205 --> 01:34:19.495
a little bit, then
there's an option to

01:34:19.495 --> 01:34:20.925
pay a little bit, and
I'd appreciate that.

01:34:20.925 --> 01:34:21.105
Totally.

01:34:21.205 --> 01:34:22.285
But If not, that's fine.

01:34:22.405 --> 01:34:24.145
You know, and that's
the kind of person

01:34:24.145 --> 01:34:26.455
I am, to be honest,
I like to do this.

01:34:26.515 --> 01:34:29.035
And because of the stuff
that I'm teaching is

01:34:29.035 --> 01:34:30.265
a bit revolutionary.

01:34:30.355 --> 01:34:32.215
And I do believe that
because I'm not seeing

01:34:32.215 --> 01:34:33.235
it out elsewhere.

01:34:33.685 --> 01:34:35.485
And also a problem I
had every time I was

01:34:35.845 --> 01:34:37.975
given out my stuff,
people were stealing it.

01:34:38.475 --> 01:34:38.865
Totally.

01:34:38.955 --> 01:34:40.455
And they had loads
of followers and

01:34:40.455 --> 01:34:41.295
taking credit for it.

01:34:41.295 --> 01:34:43.965
So that was a bit
of an egotistical

01:34:43.965 --> 01:34:44.925
thing on my part.

01:34:45.075 --> 01:34:47.145
But you know, you kind
of want to be credited

01:34:47.355 --> 01:34:49.335
when you spent, uh,
spent six months on this

01:34:49.335 --> 01:34:51.735
course, locking myself
away, working on it,

01:34:51.735 --> 01:34:54.285
learning new skills to
fill my, do scenarios

01:34:54.285 --> 01:34:56.205
on the street where I
show the techniques so

01:34:56.205 --> 01:34:59.505
you can learn easily and
also have given off quite

01:34:59.535 --> 01:35:02.265
a lot of information
that has never really

01:35:02.265 --> 01:35:04.065
been taught to the
wider public before.

01:35:04.575 --> 01:35:06.840
Um, and I've pieced
it together and

01:35:07.050 --> 01:35:07.950
I'm happy with it.

01:35:07.950 --> 01:35:10.560
And I did a test group of
a load of ladies that I

01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:12.870
know, and I've got great
feedback coming back.

01:35:12.870 --> 01:35:15.090
And they told me
that they've, they've

01:35:15.090 --> 01:35:18.180
given testimonials and
stuff, so I'm happy.

01:35:18.180 --> 01:35:20.520
And I'll just hope that
people take the course

01:35:20.550 --> 01:35:21.420
and learn from it.

01:35:21.510 --> 01:35:25.485
And also, the big problem
here is the people

01:35:25.485 --> 01:35:27.345
that need this aren't
actually looking for it.

01:35:27.345 --> 01:35:29.325
Cause they don't even
know what situational

01:35:29.325 --> 01:35:30.345
awareness is.

01:35:30.375 --> 01:35:30.735
Right.

01:35:31.335 --> 01:35:35.205
So it's up to us as
protectors to learn this

01:35:35.205 --> 01:35:37.335
information and then
teach it to our families.

01:35:37.725 --> 01:35:40.515
Um, and we already do
that, but why not bolster

01:35:40.515 --> 01:35:44.115
what we know and also
when other people who

01:35:44.115 --> 01:35:47.175
are teaching tactics and
things on Instagram, on

01:35:47.175 --> 01:35:49.665
TikTok or self-defense
instructors and military

01:35:49.665 --> 01:35:52.575
people to take the
course and to analyze

01:35:52.575 --> 01:35:53.625
it and give me feedback.

01:35:53.885 --> 01:35:55.665
Cause I want it to be
the best it can be.

01:35:55.995 --> 01:35:59.295
And we've, we've this,
I do have a band of

01:35:59.655 --> 01:36:01.845
brothers who I've worked
with, who are highly,

01:36:02.175 --> 01:36:04.625
highly, I've landed
on my feet in Canada.

01:36:04.635 --> 01:36:06.225
I work in the close
protection industry

01:36:06.225 --> 01:36:07.965
and I've got a lot of
professionals around

01:36:07.965 --> 01:36:10.245
me and I work in a
crew where we, we help

01:36:10.275 --> 01:36:12.435
each other out and I
have bounced ideas off.

01:36:12.435 --> 01:36:16.080
So I have had this kind
of, how would you say

01:36:16.110 --> 01:36:20.010
this, a reference group
to help me make sure that

01:36:20.040 --> 01:36:22.920
I'm not straying away
from the goal and stuff.

01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:25.260
So, but I want to
expand that and get

01:36:25.260 --> 01:36:26.220
it critiqued as well.

01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:29.390
I think that's an
incredibly, uh, bright

01:36:29.420 --> 01:36:30.550
way to approach this.

01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:35.030
I've seen so many people
put together products

01:36:35.120 --> 01:36:37.550
and then throw a price
tag on it and wait for,

01:36:37.610 --> 01:36:39.530
wait for the big bucks
to roll in, right.

01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:42.470
Only to find that
they've just choked off.

01:36:42.590 --> 01:36:44.390
They're a
distribution stream.

01:36:44.390 --> 01:36:45.830
They can't get their
information out.

01:36:45.830 --> 01:36:47.450
They can't get their
brand or whatever

01:36:47.450 --> 01:36:48.920
else they need out
to everybody else.

01:36:49.910 --> 01:36:53.450
And you know, there's
a, uh, a local fellow,

01:36:53.510 --> 01:36:55.520
one of the guys, the guy
who recorded the first

01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:59.000
podcast with me and he
runs a business and does

01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:01.460
some, some similar things
to what we do here.

01:37:01.460 --> 01:37:03.650
And he created an
app for an iPhone and

01:37:04.190 --> 01:37:05.950
I sat down with him
after the podcast.

01:37:05.950 --> 01:37:08.535
I said put it out
for free, like

01:37:08.535 --> 01:37:09.375
what are you doing?

01:37:09.585 --> 01:37:09.885
Right.

01:37:10.035 --> 01:37:12.335
Make it free as many
people downloading

01:37:12.335 --> 01:37:13.355
that thing as possible.

01:37:13.355 --> 01:37:14.585
And then you've got
that, you've got a

01:37:14.585 --> 01:37:15.335
captive audience.

01:37:15.335 --> 01:37:16.745
You've got that
information at the front

01:37:16.775 --> 01:37:18.665
and it's the whole jab
jab jab right hook.

01:37:18.695 --> 01:37:19.025
Right.

01:37:19.025 --> 01:37:21.185
And it's like, give,
give, give, give, okay.

01:37:21.185 --> 01:37:22.475
Now have an ask.

01:37:22.475 --> 01:37:22.805
Right.

01:37:22.805 --> 01:37:25.295
And it's just a matter of
making sure that you've

01:37:25.295 --> 01:37:28.505
got the ability to have
that ask at some point.

01:37:29.045 --> 01:37:31.595
But I think, uh,
especially for any

01:37:31.595 --> 01:37:33.455
business, that's
just kind of starting

01:37:33.455 --> 01:37:35.345
off and getting the,
getting things rolling.

01:37:35.345 --> 01:37:38.085
I think what you're
doing here is brilliant.

01:37:38.190 --> 01:37:39.720
And I think it's going
to put it in front of

01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:41.830
a much larger audience
and it's going to

01:37:41.830 --> 01:37:46.470
create more brand for
you and your company.

01:37:46.500 --> 01:37:49.620
And so when the right
hook does come, then

01:37:50.040 --> 01:37:51.990
it's going to be
a much bigger one.

01:37:52.530 --> 01:37:53.040
Oh, thank you.

01:37:53.040 --> 01:37:53.640
I appreciate that.

01:37:53.790 --> 01:37:56.940
That's just my, my
perspective from

01:37:56.940 --> 01:37:58.530
an outsider looking
in at things, but

01:37:58.530 --> 01:38:00.510
I think that's a, I
think that's quite

01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:01.620
a good way to do it.

01:38:02.060 --> 01:38:02.360
Great.

01:38:02.360 --> 01:38:02.540
Yeah.

01:38:02.690 --> 01:38:03.020
Wow.

01:38:03.200 --> 01:38:03.890
Full steam ahead.

01:38:03.890 --> 01:38:05.360
And this is the first
time I've announced

01:38:05.360 --> 01:38:06.950
it as well on this
podcast here that is

01:38:06.950 --> 01:38:08.240
free for everyone.

01:38:08.240 --> 01:38:12.020
So you can just go
to my SixSight.co on

01:38:12.020 --> 01:38:15.140
Instagram and or the
website, which is of the

01:38:15.140 --> 01:38:17.750
same name and link in
bio or on the website.

01:38:17.750 --> 01:38:19.120
And you just sign
up and it's free.

01:38:19.120 --> 01:38:20.930
And I'm going to put
links on the YouTube

01:38:20.930 --> 01:38:21.860
and on the podcast.

01:38:21.860 --> 01:38:23.450
Anyone listening to this
can give it a click.

01:38:23.690 --> 01:38:26.390
It's fantastic
information on there.

01:38:26.750 --> 01:38:29.120
Uh, highly, highly,
highly recommend that

01:38:29.120 --> 01:38:31.620
anybody listening to
this check it out,

01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:33.090
share it with others.

01:38:33.390 --> 01:38:34.980
It doesn't cost
anything and it

01:38:34.980 --> 01:38:36.540
could save your life.

01:38:37.559 --> 01:38:39.809
Sonny, I think that's
probably a good point,

01:38:40.710 --> 01:38:43.170
good point here, place
to wrap things up.

01:38:43.230 --> 01:38:44.880
Um, unless there's
anything else that

01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:46.510
you wanted to get
out before we did so.

01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:47.140
No.

01:38:47.180 --> 01:38:48.210
I'll just like,
say thanks for

01:38:48.210 --> 01:38:48.960
having me on here.

01:38:49.410 --> 01:38:50.040
It's been fun.

01:38:50.340 --> 01:38:52.680
Hopefully see you again
later down the line.

01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:53.309
We do another one.

01:38:53.370 --> 01:38:54.540
Oh, we're definitely
going to do another one.

01:38:54.540 --> 01:38:55.030
I know it.

01:38:55.139 --> 01:38:56.850
And thank you very much
for making the time.

01:38:56.850 --> 01:38:57.600
I really enjoyed it.