WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:07.519 practical ways. 4 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:13.679 Hey, welcome back, everybody. 5 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:17.039 We're back, and you're back together in the studio together. 6 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:17.679 We're back. 7 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:18.399 That's right. 8 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:18.719 Yeah. 9 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:21.519 So last week Kyle Doblamer did a great job, yes, 10 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:25.239 but always happy to be back with the original Bible Guys. 11 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:26.280 And I'm so happy about it. 12 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:26.679 Yeah. 13 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:28.760 I missed you. I missed you so much. 14 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:30.079 I miss you. 15 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:32.560 So I missed you. I was out of town and 16 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:34.960 then you were out of town. Yes, and we missed 17 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:35.399 each other. 18 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:35.880 We did. 19 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:38.799 I mean, in the last month, we haven't hardly crossed 20 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:40.240 each other's path, like four or five times. 21 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:40.520 Yeah. 22 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:41.759 And then and then the other day you're like, hey, 23 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:43.560 let's grab lunch. You're like, oh, no, I'm out of 24 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:49.359 town exactly. Yeah, we're going to drive like six hours Chicago. 25 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:50.280 Yeah. 26 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:52.600 So, hey, we are back and we want to welcome 27 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:54.640 you to The Bible Guys. We have a great episode 28 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:58.320 planned for you, as always hopefully, And but before we 29 00:00:58.359 --> 00:00:59.000 get to the best. 30 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:01.079 One we can put together today, that's right, that's right. 31 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:03.920 Before we get to that, we have a social media minute. 32 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:07.400 The desires put it together for us. So let's take 33 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.439 a minute to shout out to some of our amazing listeners. 34 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:13.719 Only the amazing ones today, not the amazing ones. 35 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:17.040 All right, I'll read the first one. I guess. 36 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:21.640 So this is by Logan c. He says, truly enjoy 37 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:25.359 listening to every episode. Finally made it to the start. 38 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:29.040 Can't wait to continue growing in my knowledge of the Bible. Also, 39 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:33.200 can't wait to dig deeper and categorize what makes Chris mad? 40 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:35.239 He's got a running chart. 41 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.480 That's right, that's funny. He wants to categorize it. 42 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.200 Yeah, the Bible is important, but what Chris mad? Right? Right? 43 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:41.480 Right? 44 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:43.280 Hey, you know what, that'd be kind of cool to 45 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:45.760 have a chart of everything I've ever done. 46 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.560 That funny, right, because then I would know how to 47 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:49.120 make it better. 48 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:51.879 What was it that John says the world cannot contain 49 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:52.400 the books? 50 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:53.799 That's right, that's right? 51 00:01:55.159 --> 00:02:00.599 Yeah, okay, that's number number two. Every mon morning, I 52 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:03.599 rewatch an old heritage message. I'll follow up with the 53 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:08.120 day's Bible guys episode, And today's was incredible. Thank you 54 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:10.919 guys for everything that you do. And that's from Maddie 55 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:12.439 Ry Maddie. 56 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.639 Are that was that's actually super nice. 57 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.800 Actually, I'm pretty blown away that that's what she does. 58 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:20.599 Every morning. She watches an old heritage message. 59 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:22.639 Now that's on the heritage church. 60 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:23.680 Well, yeah, that's our. 61 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:27.240 Church, which means she goes back and archives into our 62 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.360 archives and watches a thirty five minute message every morning 63 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.680 and then follows up with a twenty five minute podcast, Wow, 64 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:35.080 or a twenty minute whatever it is. 65 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:37.000 Wow, Maddie, that is. 66 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.639 Maddy, thank you, some dedication. She's gonna be the winner today. 67 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.479 Yeah, well winter is it a competition. 68 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:43.639 It's always a competition. 69 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:44.680 And then the. 70 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:49.800 Third one says there's just icons. There's like like emojis. 71 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:52.800 It says number three. He says Disney and then has 72 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:55.639 a barfing emoji and it says day in the woods 73 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:01.639 with two with hearts by a guy called back Road Doors. 74 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:04.719 Remember when we were talking about, you know, our dream, 75 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:06.000 our dream perfect day. 76 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.960 Yeah, it's our favorite birthday or something like that. So 77 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:09.879 that is hilarious. 78 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:12.240 You wanted to go to Disney with your family and 79 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.280 celebrity celebrity, and I wanted to be out in the woods. 80 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.159 Yeah, well you know, I I love to be clear, 81 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.439 I love seeing how happy Disney makes my family, so 82 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:26.840 like my girls love it beyond you know, beyond reason, right, 83 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:32.199 And by the way, I do love it. I actually 84 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.479 enjoy like the Winnie the Pooh ride, and when we're 85 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:38.840 in line, it's just like all kids. It's all kids. 86 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.879 But we grew up watching this so much and we 87 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.919 have such a love for art and the characters and 88 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:45.520 everything else. 89 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.879 Like I actually enjoy the art art piece of it. 90 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.520 All the talking you're doing, that bar thing is still 91 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:56.439 stuck there. You're convicting it, convincing anybody anything. 92 00:03:56.240 --> 00:04:01.120 Trying to justify the bar icon, and I'm just to 93 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:01.719 go a veil. 94 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:04.560 Hey, I think back Road Outdoors is my kind of people. 95 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:05.960 That's all I'm saying for sure. 96 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.680 Yeah, that's funny. And by the way, is back road 97 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.199 Outdoors you're handled? Jeff, No, it's not, is it. 98 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:14.479 I wish it was. That's a good one. You're the 99 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.279 one that wrote in yeah, I love my own answers. 100 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:22.040 That's right, all right, Well it was actually what we. 101 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.920 Can have some shadow names and we just write stuff in. Oh, 102 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:30.040 that'd be fun, right, I promise you that's not me, dear, 103 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:30.920 I promise. 104 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.639 You, Dear. Bible guys, Chris is the best. 105 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:34.639 He's so handsome. 106 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:38.959 That's so good. 107 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:39.519 Okay. 108 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.279 Hey, by the way, it's probably a good time to 109 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.120 say that we love feedback absolutely, so please. 110 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:47.399 If you're on YouTube, you can comment. 111 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:51.040 Uh, if you're watching on any other the you know, 112 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.800 spreaker or any one of the iTunes or anything like that. 113 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.560 Uh, there's a way to eat what comment? 114 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:58.800 Or no, yeah, you have to I think you have 115 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:00.759 to have followed us and then after that listen to 116 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.120 an episode and then after that you can leave comments. Okay, 117 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.759 how it usually works like on iTunes and Spotify and. 118 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.079 All those Okay, or you can just email us directly 119 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.040 at info at the Bible Guys dot com and we 120 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:16.879 will definitely appreciate any feedback and possibly even use it. 121 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.399 Yes, so all right, well that was great. I hope 122 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.040 that you guys are having a great morning. 123 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.360 For most of you, if you're listening on time, real time, 124 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:28.079 it's Monday morning, and we are going to dive right 125 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:32.519 into a sort of a strange Well. 126 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:33.759 When I walked in the studio, I didn't know what 127 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.120 we were talking about today, because so for if you're 128 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:38.800 new listening to the Bible guys, Chris and I just 129 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:41.399 kind of approached this with the idea of two guys 130 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.519 like showing up at a coffee shop or something and 131 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:45.839 sitting down, opening the Bible and talking about what's on 132 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.519 the page. That's right, So we don't look way ahead, 133 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:52.439 we don't prepare on these things. Desiree. She kind of 134 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:55.240 helps us work out the order. And so when I 135 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:57.160 opened it up this morning, I was surprised. And I 136 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:59.600 told you then, this passage, of all the passages in 137 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:01.680 the Bible, this one is one of the more complex 138 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.160 for me personally and a little bit frustrating to deal 139 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:08.959 with today. And I think some of our listeners are 140 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:10.879 going to come away with this may be tempted to 141 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:14.399 think that their morality is better than God's morality. Yeah, well, 142 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:15.759 heck that's a temptation. 143 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:17.120 That's a heck of a setup right there. 144 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:21.040 So maybe my opinions are better than God's opinions on 145 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:21.519 this one. 146 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:24.279 Which which, by the way, just to throw a sentence 147 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:26.759 in there as well. It's not that we take a 148 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:31.319 non preparation approach to our podcast. It is actually more 149 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:34.480 closely related to like a Bible study in real time. Right, 150 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:36.360 So if we were to get together in your living 151 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:39.319 room and have a Bible study we would open the 152 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:41.800 Bible together, we would read the passage and then and 153 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.519 then ask the questions that we're trained to look for 154 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.600 and ask and say, how does this apply to our lives? 155 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:50.160 And what's the application and and and all these kinds 156 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.480 of things. So it's a Bible study real time podcast. 157 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.720 So we think that anybody can have a meaningful conversation 158 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:57.959 about the Bible just looking at the words on the page, 159 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.720 and especially if you have a good little study Bible, 160 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:02.800 which we like to use the Life Application study Bible, 161 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.279 there's always a few cross references and some ideas to 162 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.399 give a perspective on it. And I think that you 163 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:11.000 can have a meaningful conversation without having a Bible college degree. 164 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.240 Although we both have pretty deep reservoirs, we've got a 165 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:15.959 lot of time in the Bible and all those kinds 166 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:17.639 of things. But what we didn't want to do is 167 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.160 come in with a prepared outline three points, a poem 168 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:23.000 and a tear jerking illustration, right right. We don't want 169 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:24.639 that kind of We don't want to come and preach it. 170 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:26.720 We want to come and just chit chat about it. 171 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.360 And I think that you can have a meaningful discovery. 172 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:31.600 And so whenever you're going to have that kind of 173 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:35.040 a Bible study, there's a few questions that you just 174 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.560 kind of build into your thought process. Usually you and 175 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:40.480 I are looking for something what does this say about 176 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.079 God in this passage? We're also thinking what does this 177 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.399 passage say about people? And then we're looking at things 178 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.519 like is there a sin to avoid? Is there a 179 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:54.439 promise to claim? Is there an opportunity something that we're 180 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:57.240 supposed to obey, a command that we should obey? Right, 181 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.279 those kinds of things, And so what you're looking for 182 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:01.079 is what to say about God? What does to say 183 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.519 about people? What should we do with this? And that's 184 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:05.360 what we're looking at with just the words that are 185 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:08.160 on the page and maybe some light cross references based 186 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.360 on some notes at the bottom of the page. And 187 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:11.959 you can do the same thing. You can do that 188 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.199 with your family. My mom and dad, when they became 189 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.360 Christians were not deep Bible students. They didn't even know. 190 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.319 But my dad had a little study Bible. My mom 191 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:23.199 had a children's Bible story book and we would read 192 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.120 a story together, and then my dad and my mom 193 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:27.680 would try to help me and my brothers figure out, 194 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.480 so what does this mean for us today, and man, 195 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.679 I'm telling you it transformed our family's lives as we 196 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:36.960 began to develop those skills over over days and weeks 197 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.879 and years. And I think you can do the same 198 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:41.080 thing in this That's why we do what we do 199 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.120 here on the Bob guys. Yeah, So okay, that's great, 200 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.279 so you can do it too. Here we go, Second Samuel, 201 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.320 chapter twenty four. We'll just start in verse one and 202 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.600 we're going to read through twenty five. This is once again. 203 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.440 By the way, are you reading the Chronicles cross references or. 204 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:57.480 I wasn't going to, But you can also pick it 205 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:02.399 up in First Chronicles chapter twenty one, the same same passage. 206 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:04.399 So if you're doing we can't highlight the difference between 207 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:04.639 the two. 208 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:07.360 Yeah, and if you're at home and you're studying, that's 209 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:08.399 what you want to read as well. 210 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.440 Yeah, yeah, you can read them both anyway. So it 211 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:13.039 says once again, the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, 212 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.240 and he caused David to harm them by taking a census. 213 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:18.639 Go and count the people of Israel and Judah. The 214 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:21.559 Lord told him so. The King said to Joe Ab 215 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:23.360 and the commanders of the army, take a sensus of 216 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:25.200 all the tribes of Israel, from Dan in the north 217 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.240 to Beersheba in the south, so I may know how 218 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.720 many people there are. But Joeab replied to the king, 219 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.759 May the Lord your God let you live to see 220 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:35.960 a hundred times as many people as there are now. 221 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:38.519 But why, my lord the King, do you want to 222 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:41.399 do this? But the king insisted that they take the census. 223 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:43.000 So joe Ab and the commanders of the army went 224 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:45.360 out to count the people of Israel. First they crossed 225 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.600 the Jordan and camped in a roar south of the 226 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.080 town and the valley in the direction of God. Then 227 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.600 they went on to Jaser, then to Gilead and the 228 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:57.399 land of tadamahadshee. Is that what you say to Dad John, 229 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:02.000 And that's what you'd say. Then they came to the 230 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:03.840 fortress of Tire and all the towns of the high 231 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.360 Bites and or the hip Bites, whatever, and the Canaanites. 232 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.960 Finally they went to the south to Judah as far 233 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:13.039 as Beersheba. Having gone through the entire land for nine 234 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.320 months and twenty days, they returned to Jerusalem. Joe Ab 235 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.639 reported the number to the king. There were eight hundred 236 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:21.879 thousand capable warriors in Israel who could handle a sword, 237 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.200 and five hundred thousand in Judah. Satan rose up. Oh, 238 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.039 I'm sorry, And then it says, but after they had 239 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:30.879 taken the census, David's conscience began to bother him, and 240 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:32.759 he said to the Lord, I've sinned greatly by taking 241 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.440 the census. Please forgive my guilt, Lord for doing this 242 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.879 foolish thing. The next morning, the word of the Lord 243 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.159 came to the prophet God who was David Seer. This 244 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:43.600 was the message. Go and say to David. This is 245 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.440 what the Lord says. I will give you three choices. 246 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:47.759 Choose one of these punishments, and I will inflict it 247 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.480 on you. So Gad came to David and asked him, 248 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.039 will you choose three years of famine throughout your land, 249 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:56.879 three months of fleeing from your enemies, or three days 250 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:59.600 of severe plague throughout your land. Think this over and 251 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:01.559 decide answer. I should give the Lord who sent me. 252 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.600 I'm in a desperate situation. David replied to Gad. But 253 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:06.480 let us fall into the hands of the Lord, for 254 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:08.960 his mercy is great. Do not let me fall into 255 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.919 human hands. So the Lord sent a plague upon Israel 256 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:13.720 that morning, and it lasted for three days, and the 257 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.679 total of seventy thousand people died throughout the nation, from 258 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:19.240 Dan in the north to Beersheba in the south. But 259 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:22.080 as the angel was preparing to destroy Jerusalem, the Lord 260 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:26.120 relented and said to the angel stop to the death angel, stop, 261 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.679 that's enough. At that moment, the Angel of the Lord 262 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:32.000 was by the threshing floor of Aruna the Jebusite. But 263 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:34.639 David saw the angel. He said to the Lord, I 264 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.600 am the one who has sinned and done wrong, But 265 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.320 these people are as innocent as sheep. What have they done? 266 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.320 Let your anger fall against me and my family. And 267 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:45.759 so then that day Gad came to David and said 268 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:47.279 to him, go up and build an altar to the 269 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:50.080 Lord on the threshing floor of Aruna the Jebusite. So 270 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.399 David went up to do what the Lord had commanded him, 271 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.759 and went Aruna saw the king and his men coming 272 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.360 toward him. He came and bowed before the king with 273 00:11:57.399 --> 00:11:59.559 his face to the ground. Why have you come, my lord? 274 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.320 The King Runa asked, and David replied, I have come 275 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.240 to buy your threshing floor and to build an altar 276 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:06.559 to the Lord there so that he will stop the play. 277 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:08.960 Take it, my Lord the King, and use it as 278 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.480 you wish. Aruna said to David, here are oxen for 279 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:14.480 the burnt offering, and you can use the threshing boards 280 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:16.600 and the ox yokes for wood to build a fire 281 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.679 on the altar. I will give it all to you, 282 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:21.440 your majesty, and may the Lord your God accept your sacrifice. 283 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.519 But the King replied to Aruna, I will no. I 284 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:26.960 insist on buying it, for I will not present burnt 285 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:29.120 offerings to the Lord, my God that have cost me nothing. 286 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:32.399 So David painting fifty pieces of silver for the threshing 287 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.159 floor in the oxen, and David built an altar there 288 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:38.120 to the Lord and sacrifice burnt offerings and peace offerings. 289 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.159 And the Lord answered his prayer for the land, and 290 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:45.159 the plague on Israel was stopped. Okay, well, let's get 291 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:45.600 right to it. 292 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:49.000 Yep, let's get right to it. First verse, let me 293 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.919 point it out, and then you could. 294 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:54.399 No, no, you point out, and then you explained it. 295 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:57.919 I know you were going to say, yep, yep. Okay. 296 00:12:58.000 --> 00:12:59.200 So here's the first verse. 297 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:01.840 It says, once again the anger of the Lord burn 298 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.879 against Israel, and caused David to harm them by taking 299 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:08.960 a census, and then it's the Lord told him go 300 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.039 and count the people of Israel and Judah. And then 301 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:16.600 later on you know what, twenty verses later it actually 302 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.639 or no, ten verses later, it says that the Lord 303 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:26.519 was angered toward David for this sin and then gave 304 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.080 him a punishment. And then on top of that, seventy 305 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:35.559 thousand people who had nothing to do with David's decision died. 306 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:43.519 That is quite possibly one of the most confusing passages 307 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:50.360 of scripture, maybe ever, I know, right, Yeah, And so. 308 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:51.240 So we talked about should we skip this one? 309 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:54.120 Yeah, but we did, yeah, only because only because is 310 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:55.120 there time to unpack it? 311 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:55.399 Yeah? 312 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.000 Well, and do we want to address it because I'm 313 00:13:59.000 --> 00:13:59.600 confused by it? 314 00:13:59.720 --> 00:13:59.960 Yeah? 315 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.639 And so let's read a couple different you know, as 316 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.039 we all know this, the Life Application and Study Bible 317 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.000 was put together by hundreds of scholars, us smarter people 318 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.919 than us, and they have notes here that were written 319 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:14.799 that are pretty insightful at times. 320 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:16.240 So let me start off with this. 321 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:22.240 At least, why did seventy thousand people have to die 322 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.360 for David's sin? Our society places great emphasis on the individual, 323 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.879 but in ancient times, the family leaders, tribal leaders, and 324 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.600 kings represented the people they led and were expected to 325 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.000 share in the successes as well as the failures of 326 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:40.960 the participants. David deserved punishment for his sin, but his 327 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.559 death could have resulted in political chaos and invasion by 328 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.559 enemy armies, leaving hundreds and thousands dead. Instead, Got graciously 329 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.639 spared David's life, but he also put a stop to 330 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.559 the plague so that most of the people of Jerusalem 331 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:55.039 were spared. 332 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.559 God made us work together independently. 333 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.440 Yes, so whether we think it's fair or not, the 334 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.919 group usually suffers because of the sins of the leaders. Similarly, 335 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.320 our actions always affects the people, whether we want them 336 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.879 to or not. We cannot fully know the mind of 337 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.879 God or the severe judgment. We don't know where the prophets. 338 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:17.679 Okay, then it goes on. 339 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.360 So the bottom line is is, let's let's take care 340 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:22.919 of that already. Let's take care of the whole like 341 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.279 individual sin versus the group sin. 342 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.720 This is very profound and I think it's difficult for 343 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.279 Americans to think of because we're so individualistic. 344 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:35.000 Right, Yes, and don't forget like God announced from day one, 345 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:40.399 and made no apologies about them being His chosen people. 346 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:43.799 Right and not chosen persons, right. And it's the group, 347 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:45.279 the group was His chosen people. 348 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.399 And it's been evidenced, you know, even from the start, 349 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:51.279 where you know, it may not necessarily say all one 350 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.960 million people rebelled against the Lord, but because collectively, as 351 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:57.519 a group there was a there was a feeling of rebellion. 352 00:15:57.519 --> 00:15:59.799 It may not have been everybody, but you know, they 353 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:04.320 were cursed to wander the wilderness for forty years and 354 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.960 their whole generation were not to see the promised land. 355 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.879 Why not because one percent of them sinned, but because 356 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.919 as a group they did not believe or follow God. 357 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.159 And so yeah, it's pretty clear in ancient times that 358 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.919 they are called together to be separate. That's the reason 359 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:28.200 why God gave David the assignment to take care of 360 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.679 all the other groups of people who blasphemed God, rebelled 361 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:35.399 against God, did not acknowledge God because of their group. 362 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:38.240 Their group was supposed to be different. As a whole, 363 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.840 they were supposed to believe together. And so if their 364 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.759 leader sins, and by the way, that's no different than today. 365 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.879 How many times do we see leaders of churches make 366 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:53.159 really bad decisions and then unfortunately their sin is the 367 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.240 ripple effect that causes the entire church to crumble. 368 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:01.000 Yeah, government leaders the same thing, right, government leaders wicked government. 369 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:02.840 You know, you and I've been all over the world. 370 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:07.160 We've been in places where corruption from the top literally 371 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:12.200 destroys the nations, right, and everybody's living in poverty. Everybody 372 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.400 else is now living in corruption, everybody's shooting a deal. 373 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:19.359 It just winds up, you know, ruining an entire country. 374 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.519 And so leaders have a big impact. So if our 375 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:25.519 listeners can understand that the Bible is telling a Middle 376 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:29.920 Eastern story, right, not a Western story, right, then, and 377 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.559 if you can understand that the huge majority of the 378 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.480 planet thinks tribally, not individually, right, it's the whole group. 379 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.319 Because you know, you and I have been like with 380 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:43.000 the Pocat tribes or I'm going to be the Turkana tribe. 381 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:47.640 Here just a few weeks in Kenya, if a couple 382 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.079 of people make a mistake in the village, the whole 383 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:53.039 village might die because they're always right on the edge 384 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.039 of surviving because of famine, a lack of water, because 385 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.200 of other villages and raiders coming in and trying to 386 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.440 steal stuff. So if a couple people make a mistake, 387 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:05.160 the whole village can die, and so the consequences are 388 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:09.119 the group of people. So understand that you were not 389 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.359 made to only be an individual. You were made to 390 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:14.359 be a part of the family of God, part of 391 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:18.200 your family, part of your community, and so we do 392 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:21.839 have responsibilities to the community. So I was thinking about this. 393 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:25.240 This thought crossed my mind while you were talking. The 394 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:28.960 Bible doesn't say why God's anger stirred against them, right. 395 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:31.440 It says once again the end of the Lord burned 396 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.000 against Israel, But it didn't say why. 397 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:34.920 Right, And we're left to speculate because it does not 398 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:35.880 list it why right. 399 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:39.319 However, the events that just happened rate before this are 400 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:43.759 the rebellion of Absolom yep. And many of the people 401 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:47.039