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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, good morning everybody. We're the Bible Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes we are, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>That is who we are. And today we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>start out with a segment.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, I thought I was going to be listening

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<v Speaker 2>to an episode of This Old House.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, but it actually says you're listening to the Bibble

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bible guys.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast where a couple of friends talk about the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>and fun and practical ways. So anyway, Desiree put together

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<v Speaker 1>a segment called Stump.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pastor and Dumped the Pastor. These are fun.

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<v Speaker 1>These are fun? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>You like st the Pastors?

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I like it a lot. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>people probably wish for more of them, depending on the question.

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<v Speaker 2>So the day that we're shooting this episode, I'm with

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<v Speaker 2>our Young Adults Ministry. Yeah yeah, and a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of the event to night, we're cooking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're going to do questions, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's open form Q and a's you can ask any question, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like that? Do you like the open forum?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's great. I think that there are times

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<v Speaker 1>where somebody will ask you a question that requires a

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<v Speaker 1>very long answer, and and it's usual.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't like long answers. I like long answers.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that, like sometimes the questions, the multitude

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<v Speaker 1>of questions is what's interesting to me, not necessarily, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily a twenty minute answer to one question that ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the room is interested, That's all I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to say. So when they ask questions that require

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<v Speaker 1>a really long discussion, I'm like, oh, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>preferred to have ten more other questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, I like

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<v Speaker 2>the long ones because I think one of the arguments

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of times, you know, for people who

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<v Speaker 2>struggle with the church or struggle with faith, they'll say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I used to go to church, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when I had questions, they were like, just believe it

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<v Speaker 2>because it's in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well that's not a bad answer. It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>wrong answer, it's just a bad answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love it when when we can just go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a reason less you're going to ask you a

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<v Speaker 2>question to take a long time. You guys want to

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<v Speaker 2>take a long time on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, And so what I do, what I've done,

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<v Speaker 1>what I've done, I've only done it once actually, But

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<v Speaker 1>what I've what I've done is I've been in those

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<v Speaker 1>situations where I've said, hey, uh, I probably assume there's

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<v Speaker 1>about ten people in this crowd that are interested in

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<v Speaker 1>this answer. I was like, so, after we're done and

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<v Speaker 1>we dismiss, I'm gonna be right over here in this corner.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give the long answer to the to anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to listen because they want to waste the crowds time.

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<v Speaker 1>So it turns out there was like five people and

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<v Speaker 1>they were riveted, you know, by the answer. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't feel like, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Not me. Everybody's getting it. Everybody's getting it's open for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that's how you manage and control

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<v Speaker 2>open for him. Yes, that's right. That's wax aliqin on

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. That's not going to get you eaten alive.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. Okay. So anyways, here we go stump the pastor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, this is this is from Tim R.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Tim R.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and he wrote in a question you can Tim Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Tim R.

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<v Speaker 2>Kim R.

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<v Speaker 1>Timmy Tim Uh Hey, he actually wrote in uh something

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<v Speaker 1>that anybody could write in and you you want to,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to email us email us at info at

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible guys dot com with any of your questions

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<v Speaker 1>and we might use them in the future episode. Tim

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<v Speaker 1>writes this, if big extravagant miracles were regular occurrents in

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<v Speaker 1>the early Church, why don't we see them as frequently

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<v Speaker 1>as today or frequently today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, God fell asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>God is in the restroom.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not paying attention.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what That's what Elijah said.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I said. That when when it was haunting

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<v Speaker 2>the the prophets of Ail.

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<v Speaker 1>You got in the restroom. Uh. That's a great question, Tim,

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<v Speaker 1>because we do see miracles today for sure. But the

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<v Speaker 1>big extravagant miracles is what he said, right, which is

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<v Speaker 1>take up your bed and walk kind of miracles. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know your daughter's not dead, she's only sleeping, that's right, right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>so so where are they today? So I got to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you something. It's an interesting thing for me. You

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<v Speaker 1>and I both just went to a conference by the

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Initiative in Florida, and it's interesting to me how you.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a church planting movement all around the world. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>in the least reached people groups around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and and and I have a tendency to be

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<v Speaker 1>around some of those things. And you always hear of

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<v Speaker 1>extravagant miracles around the world. So you always hear of like,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, when we were there, Uh, these people who

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in and know personally and trust stand up there.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was this one one Indian pastor who shared

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<v Speaker 1>a story Reggie about a guy who became a Christian

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<v Speaker 1>but he couldn't read and uh, and he and he

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<v Speaker 1>prayed that God would uh, you know, give him the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to read and uh and he prayed for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. And everybody knew in the village that he

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<v Speaker 1>number one, grew up not being able to read. And

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<v Speaker 1>number two, they also knew that he'd been praying this

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<v Speaker 1>prayer and he was praying this audacious, radical prayer of

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<v Speaker 1>he just wanted God to give him this ability to read.

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<v Speaker 1>And they actually have it on video. They showed it

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<v Speaker 1>on video where he actually picked up the Bible and

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<v Speaker 1>one day just started reading.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but only the Bible, but only the Bible read

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<v Speaker 1>Can't read a newspaper can't read anything else, and this

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<v Speaker 1>and this Indian pastor, Reggie was just you know, shouting

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<v Speaker 2>And then.

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<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden he shows this video and this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, here's this guy sitting in this plastic chair

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<v Speaker 1>in this dusty old room and he's reading this Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, ninety eight percent of

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<v Speaker 1>the village became Christians because of the miracle, the extravagant

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<v Speaker 1>miracle that God did. And so you and I hear

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<v Speaker 1>of these miracles. And so as being a skeptic, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people truly understand the word skeptic because

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<v Speaker 1>when I say I'm a skic, people think, oh, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have my doubts too, And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what a skeptic is. A skeptic is I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe you. I flat out do not believe that sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what a skeptic is. Until you prove to

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<v Speaker 1>me that that is true. I don't believe it. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm a skeptic at heart, there's always something in

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<v Speaker 1>me that goes come on right. It's not that I

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<v Speaker 1>doubt God. In fact, ironically when I take my spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>gift test, you know what, My number one spiritual gift

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<v Speaker 1>is faith. Faith. So it's like it's like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a skeptic. God made me a you know why

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<v Speaker 1>am I a skeptic God? But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>I have faith. So when it comes to me serving God,

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<v Speaker 1>faith is just it comes to the surface immediately. But

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to you know, hearing other people around

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<v Speaker 1>the world going I just started to read, I go,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, And I don't know why I'm that way,

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<v Speaker 1>but I sure am.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you saw the video of that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well not only that, but here's the thing you have

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<v Speaker 1>to to ask yourself, do I believe that this person

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<v Speaker 1>gain to lie? And and you know, and here are

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<v Speaker 1>they creating a lie? Where here's this man who just

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a Christian. He's known throughout the village of not

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<v Speaker 1>being able to read, and then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>I see him reading. It's like he would have to

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<v Speaker 1>have a lifetime, quite literally, a lifetime of pulling that prank, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so then you're just sort of forced to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the evidence to go it is a miracle and

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<v Speaker 1>it's an extravagant one, and it happens around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had a professor who was a missionary. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in his eighties, in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 2>missionary in those explorer missionary times, yes, in the twenties

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<v Speaker 2>and thirties. Right, yeah, it's really really.

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<v Speaker 1>A missionary gave up their lives and talk to cannibals.

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<v Speaker 2>Well back when you got on a boat, right and

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<v Speaker 2>he always was in places where there had never been

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<v Speaker 2>the gospel. And so somebody, a student asked the same

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<v Speaker 1>So the same question were the same same.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, tim is asking here, right, And that is I

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<v Speaker 2>read the Book of Acts. It's miracles all the time, which,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, there's about sixteen or seventeen miracles depending

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<v Speaker 2>on how you count them, maybe twenty miracles in the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six chapters of the Book of Acts. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>recorded because they're so out of the ordinary, just to

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<v Speaker 2>point that out, by the way. But anyways, doctor Champlain said,

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<v Speaker 2>so when the student said, you know, why don't we

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<v Speaker 2>see miracles today, he said, oh, where the Gospel is

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<v Speaker 2>moving for the first time, it's still always only miracles.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's happening all the time. He said, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>living a life that needs miracles, God will give you miracles. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But what you think is you're asking for miracles to

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<v Speaker 2>make your personal life better. But God, if you read

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible, miracles are always happening on the front lines

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<v Speaker 2>of where the Gospel is moving. So if you need

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<v Speaker 2>miracles and want miracle in your life, you need to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the front line of the move of the Gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>So God's agenda for miracles is to further his word

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<v Speaker 1>so that people would not go to hell and go

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<v Speaker 1>to Heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yeah, that's right. And so that that's the

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<v Speaker 2>story Reggie told, or bekaylay Shenko told the same story. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the vice president of a similar story. He's vice

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<v Speaker 2>president of the crew in charge of church planting around

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<v Speaker 2>the world. And it's the story of his father who

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Bekayleay and his father served the witch doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>most powerful witch doctor in Ethiopia and on top of

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<v Speaker 2>the mountain's that's what they did. And then Bekaylay's father

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<v Speaker 2>became a Christian, began to beg God to teach him

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<v Speaker 2>how to read because he couldn't read. And then God

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<v Speaker 2>miraculously gave an ability to read. And now in their

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<v Speaker 2>tribe of over a million people, ninety eight percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the people are Christians, over a million, over a million.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah. Yeah, they're building the largest cross in Africa

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<v Speaker 2>neat stuff. Well, there's lots of those. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard of people, you know, being given their sight back.

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<v Speaker 2>I've known of people that were completely unable to walk

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<v Speaker 2>that God restored their strength in order to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the next village. And I've seen people

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<v Speaker 2>that it just so many stories. I've heard so many stories,

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<v Speaker 2>first move of the gospel in that village or the

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<v Speaker 2>first move of the Gospel in that tribe. And God

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<v Speaker 2>did miraculous things. So God does miracles for his purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>our purposes. Well, when you align your purpose in God's purpose,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see miracles. But when it's your purpose apart from

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<v Speaker 2>going to say, I gave you my word, and I

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<v Speaker 1>When I traveled in Africa and I went to with

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<v Speaker 1>Sulomon said, hey, by the way, these men are going

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<v Speaker 1>not going to retell the whole story. But the men

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<v Speaker 1>came to Christ that day, which was amazing. But when

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<v Speaker 1>it were just an average every day Tuesday. He said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>these men who left me to die under this tree,

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<v Speaker 1>thought I was dead. But the women rescued me, dragged

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<v Speaker 1>me back to the tent, and they did so because

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing. And so then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>that village laid down offerings of sugar bags of sugar,

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<v Speaker 1>and said, we feel as if we have angered your God,

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<v Speaker 1>because God miraculously caused all of our sheep to go blind.

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<v Speaker 1>shot there are village right, and there's one hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>went blind. They're all blind. Think about that. And he

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<v Speaker 1>goes and so he goes, and this happened right after we,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, tried to kill you. And they said, so

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<v Speaker 1>we bring this offering of sugar to you, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, I'll forgive you on one condition that

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<v Speaker 1>that I am able to uh plant a church here,

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<v Speaker 1>and that I have a tree, I have church underneath

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<v Speaker 1>the tree that you left me under that that that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to talk about this, and they left. They

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<v Speaker 1>went back, had a meeting, came back and said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll let you have church under one condition, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as the men attend and we're able to navigate and

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<v Speaker 1>monitor everything that you're saying to our to our village,

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<v Speaker 1>to our women. And he's like, uh so, the so

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<v Speaker 1>the condition is you attend the church. He's like done,

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<v Speaker 1>And he said then, and then here's the best part.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, and then right after that, all the

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<v Speaker 1>sheep were going to regain their sight. Now come on, now,

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<v Speaker 1>he told me this. I was there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was literally spoken the church there.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke in the church. And then when I spoke,

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<v Speaker 1>all I said was is that the Gospel is not

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<v Speaker 1>proven with just words, It's proven with sacrifice. And I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how Julius Morgart sacrifice his life. I talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how our team was there to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to get them water, which means that love is proved

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<v Speaker 1>not with action or not with words, but just action.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I used Pastor Solomon as an example. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he says he loves you, but guess what

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<v Speaker 1>he does because of these actions and then I used

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<v Speaker 1>the cross right, and then Jesus love does and then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden the men came up and they

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<v Speaker 1>all turned their lives over. And here I am lucky

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<v Speaker 1>enough to, you know, reap the harvest of all the

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<v Speaker 1>watering that Solomon did, right, and then all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden they all come to Christ underneath that tree. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, this is miraculous. And I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up did telling the whole story, just not in

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<v Speaker 1>great detail. But so the only part that I did

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<v Speaker 1>left out was before every church service, they all had tea,

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<v Speaker 1>and Solomon would walk around with that bag of sugar,

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<v Speaker 1>sugar and spread and and he would put it in

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's tea and he'd say, the sweet forgiveness of God,

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<v Speaker 1>the sweet forgiveness of God.

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<v Speaker 2>It's powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes me want to cry.

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<v Speaker 2>So those kind of miracles happen all the time, every

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<v Speaker 2>day at the cutting edge of where the gospel is spreading.

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<v Speaker 2>So you want more miracles in the life, get a

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<v Speaker 2>part of that, right, And we have the benefit of

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<v Speaker 2>being a part of that. God does other miracles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I've prayed over people that the doctors said there's no hope.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to die this afternoon. That one of the guys,

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<v Speaker 2>he's on our safety team, and this was ten years ago, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's up and walking around, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's ever going to die. It seems like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the Energizer Bunny. Now. So I've been around lots

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<v Speaker 2>of really incredible miracles. We played prayed for a tornado

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<v Speaker 2>one time, and God gave us a tornado seven days

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<v Speaker 2>later tore down a building we needed torn down. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, right, that's a whole other story. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>around incredible miracles that God does. Those are are few

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<v Speaker 2>and far between, but they're always in alignment with His purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>not just with our appetites or what we want. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that would be it so great question, Tim.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me encourage you to get involved with organizations and

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<v Speaker 2>things and places that where miracles are happening. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you want to be a part of. Yep, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's where God's working. Instead of asking God to

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<v Speaker 2>work in me, I want to work on what God's doing. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I want.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we took extra time for that, but now we're

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<v Speaker 2>This is good. Yeah, so the reason why we took

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<v Speaker 2>time on that one is because this is more of

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<v Speaker 2>the same, and you're going to notice the same themes

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<v Speaker 2>in these.

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<v Speaker 1>Right that that was a fantastic stump of past.

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<v Speaker 2>Your coredulous question. Here you go. A wise child accept us,

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<v Speaker 2>accepts a parent's discipline. A mocker refuses to listen to correction.

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<v Speaker 2>Wise words will win you a good meal, but treacherous

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<v Speaker 2>people have an appetite for violence. Those who control their

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<v Speaker 2>tongue will have a long life. Opening your mind can

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<v Speaker 2>ruin everything. That's a good that's good marriage counseling, right there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Lazy people want much but get little, but those who

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<v Speaker 2>work hard will prosper. That verse three, those who control

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<v Speaker 2>their tongue will have a long life. Opening your mouth

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<v Speaker 2>can ruin everything. These genes make my yeah, make me

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<v Speaker 2>look fat? Yeah right right, well actually, yes, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>so funny. Anyways, I'm sorry, that's how my brain works.

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<v Speaker 2>Lazy people want much but get little, but those who

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<v Speaker 2>work hard will prosper. There's that hard work theme again.

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<v Speaker 2>The godly hate lies man. There's his honesty theme again.

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<v Speaker 2>The wicked cause shame and disgrace, Godliness guards the path

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<v Speaker 2>of the blameless, but the evil are misled by sin.

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<v Speaker 2>Some who are poor pretend to be rich, Others who

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<v Speaker 2>are rich pretend to be poor. The rerisch can pay

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<v Speaker 2>a ransom for their lives, but the poor won't even

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<v Speaker 2>get threatened. The life of the godly is full of light,

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<v Speaker 2>and but the light of the wicked will be snuffed out.

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<v Speaker 2>Pride leads to conflict. Those who take advice are wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Wealth from get rich quick schemes quickly disappears. Wealth from

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<v Speaker 2>hard work grows over time. Hope deferred makes the heart sick,

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<v Speaker 2>but a dream fulfilled is a tree of life. People

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<v Speaker 2>who despise advice are asking for trouble. Those who respect

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<v Speaker 2>the command will succeed. The instruction of the wise is

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<v Speaker 2>like a life giving fountain, and those who accept it

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<v Speaker 2>avoid the snares of death. A person with good sense

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<v Speaker 2>is respected, a treacherous person is headed for destruction. Wise

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<v Speaker 2>people think before they act. Fools don't even brag about

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<v Speaker 2>their foolishness. An unreliable messenger stumbles into trouble, but a

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<v Speaker 2>reliable messenger brings healing. If you ignore criticism, you'll end

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<v Speaker 2>in poverty and disgrace. If you accept correction, you will

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<v Speaker 2>be honored. It is pleasant to see dreams come true,

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<v Speaker 2>but fools refuse to turn from evil to attain them.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk with the wise and become wise. Associate with fools

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<v Speaker 2>and get in trouble. Trouble chases sinners, while blessings reward

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<v Speaker 2>the righteous. Good people leave an inheritance to their grandchildren,

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<v Speaker 2>but the sinner's wealth passes to the godly. A poor

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<v Speaker 2>person's farm may produce much food, but injustice sweeps it

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<v Speaker 2>all away. Those who spare the rod of discipline hate

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<v Speaker 2>their children. Those who love their children care enough to

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<v Speaker 2>discipline them. The godly eat to their hearts content, but

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<v Speaker 2>the belly of the wicked goes hungry. There's a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of good ones in there, yeah for sure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've heard you quote hope deferred makes the heart sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard you quote that one hundred times.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, people get angry and upset is because they were

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<v Speaker 2>expecting something that didn't happen, right, And so you just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have to be patient in that moment and

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<v Speaker 2>just understand, Hey, they were hoping for something that didn't happen,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're blaming you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And so there's wisdom and trying to not

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<v Speaker 1>be the person that gives them false hope, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you shouldn't be the person to give somebody false

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<v Speaker 1>hope because hope, for it makes the hard say that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's hard to lead long term if you're constantly

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<v Speaker 2>making people sick instead helping fulfill the dreams. Right to

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you noticed how often he talks about accepting criticism

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<v Speaker 2>wise people accept criticism wise people?

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<v Speaker 1>He said two weeks ago or last week, I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you mentioned about Dave Harrington. Would you say he

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<v Speaker 1>made a comment something is love was a criticism candor?

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<v Speaker 2>Candor is love?

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<v Speaker 1>Candor is love?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Candor is caring? Yeah, can is caring?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he said. Yeah, yeah, and uh and and

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, that's assuming that the person who's being

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<v Speaker 1>you know, giving you the candor is uh saying the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing, and they're a godly person, right and they're wives.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's probably what you have to sort wisdom out.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only way you can sort out wisdom is

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, does it align with scripture? Does it

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<v Speaker 2>go against scripture? And secondly, how often does he mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>common sense, right, So does it? Does it make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've all received criticism from a fool, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>not what it's talking about out here, right, He's not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Hey, pay attention to the criticism from a fool, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not going to get you. You know, poverty

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<v Speaker 1>versus prosperity.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to sort out. Are they a wise person?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right? That's right. So I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to say, I saw verse twenty here walk with

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<v Speaker 2>the wise and become wise, and I was thinking, you

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<v Speaker 2>have just gotten wiser and wiser and wiser as I've

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<v Speaker 2>known you.

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<v Speaker 1>Chad, so much more time with Chad.

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<v Speaker 2>You got me, you got me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there you go. Hey, you finally you finally. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't play the higher road first.

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<v Speaker 2>You got me?

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<v Speaker 1>You got good Chad like that too, Chad.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely take one.

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<v Speaker 1>For the team.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to point out one. And

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<v Speaker 2>this might be contrary from a pastors from what you

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<v Speaker 2>would think of pastors say, but verse twenty two says

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<v Speaker 2>good people leaving inheritance to their grandchildren. King says leaving

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<v Speaker 2>inheritance to their children's children. Right, But the sentner's walk

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<v Speaker 2>passes to the passes to godly. You know, we have

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<v Speaker 2>this tension of Jesus, you know, tells us to be generous.

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<v Speaker 2>All these things the Bible tells us to be generous.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible commands us to tithe. Ten percent of our

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<v Speaker 2>resources should go to God's kingdom. Right, that's rent for

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<v Speaker 2>living on the planet. God promises us to bless us

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<v Speaker 2>when we'd get there. He doesn't promom us to bless

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<v Speaker 2>us when we're not there. So tithe is the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>But then above our tithes and offerings, he tells us

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<v Speaker 2>that we should be generous people. And so Christians have

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time. Does that mean I should give everything away?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel guilty?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel Oh, I got so much blessed it. Never

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<v Speaker 2>feel guilty about God's blessing in your life. And as

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, it says a good person is

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<v Speaker 2>going to build generational wealth, right right. So what I

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<v Speaker 2>found is, as we've obeyed God with our tithes, God

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<v Speaker 2>has blessed us beyond my comprehension to this point. As

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<v Speaker 2>we've stepped out and been more generous the over and

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<v Speaker 2>above our tithes, and we begin giving offerings, God continues,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't outgive God, But He's also given us the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to begin to build wealth that would go beyond us, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And there is something about that that you should have

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<v Speaker 2>a good plan. A lot of Christians have no financial plan.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have and there are so many mechanisms to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to give God even more if you knew

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<v Speaker 2>about how taxes work, and how inheritances work and all

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<v Speaker 2>these things. There's so many things. But we need to

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<v Speaker 2>be diligent in that area. And the huge majority of

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<v Speaker 2>Americans have not been diligent in planning for what happens

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<v Speaker 2>after them. And so I just want to encourage Christians

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<v Speaker 2>that are listening today if you need help, we have

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<v Speaker 2>a team at Heritage at our church. If you are

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<v Speaker 2>here in southeast Michigan, we have a team that's moving

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<v Speaker 2>into this area to help people make good plans for

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<v Speaker 2>the future. Not to get money from you, but just

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<v Speaker 2>we believe that this is a biblical idea. Right, It's

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<v Speaker 2>a biblical concept to prepare to leave in inheritance to

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<v Speaker 2>your children's children. Yeah, and there's something about that well,

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<v Speaker 2>preparing for the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I got to be honest when I when

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<v Speaker 1>I went into ministry, it was a small bat this church,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and Liz, my wife, looked up to our

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<v Speaker 1>lead pastor at the time and his wife. They were

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<v Speaker 1>sort of, you know, who she wanted to be, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were wonderful people. And I remember surrendering to ministry.

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<v Speaker 1>I use that word surrender, right, you know, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>volunteering administry or call to ministry. We back then we

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<v Speaker 1>said surrendered the ministry, as if as if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a struggle and as if like you're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>life of difficulty, right. And I remember them sitting me down,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what they said. They said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>go into ministry, you will be poor. They said, you

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<v Speaker 1>will be prepared to cut coupons, be prepared to live

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<v Speaker 1>on nothing and have hand me downs and make your

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<v Speaker 1>own clothes. And I'm not even kidding, I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>saying things that aren't true. I'm legitimately telling you that

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<v Speaker 1>they said you will be poor. And that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>that ministry is, and so just expect it. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I went to my first job and they said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the church of one hundred and eighty people, and they said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to hire you at twenty eight thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>with no insurance. We're not going to pay you any insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay. And then over the next seven years

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<v Speaker 1>when I worked there, I put like twenty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>on my credit cards for every medical need that we had,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I was always taught from the very beginning

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<v Speaker 1>that you know. And yet you know, it took me

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to figure out. It's like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the way that you know. There's not the biblical model, right,

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<v Speaker 1>right Jesus It says that Jesus didn't have a place

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<v Speaker 1>to lay his head, but it didn't mean that he

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<v Speaker 1>was poor, right, right, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Well, one of the wisest Christian men I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever met challenged me when I was younger, with the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of building a life ten ten to eighty. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you ever heard that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep?

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<v Speaker 2>And so he said, give God the first ten percent,

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<v Speaker 2>save the second ten percent, and then live on the

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent, right, And he said, that sets you up

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to fulfill this verse. And he quote

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<v Speaker 2>this verse specifically you if you don't begin planning today

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<v Speaker 2>to put money aside, you will never have the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to fulfill Proverbs, chapter chapter what thirteen, verse twenty two. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>leave inheritance to your children's children. You have to make

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<v Speaker 2>that plan, so prepare and I said, okay, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do. And I haven't always been perfect

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<v Speaker 2>at it, but we're getting there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. So wey that is our time and so

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we will see you tomorrow on the Bible gush