WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.100 Matt: Raquel, welcome to the WP minute. 00:00:03.489 --> 00:00:03.749 Raquel: Thank you. 00:00:04.730 --> 00:00:05.480 Good to be back. 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:08.280 Matt: We'll see if it's a thank you by the end of this is 00:00:08.280 --> 00:00:09.470 basically what you're saying. 00:00:10.260 --> 00:00:11.169 Oh, yeah. 00:00:11.610 --> 00:00:12.430 Uh, busy week. 00:00:12.450 --> 00:00:13.460 I'm just getting back. 00:00:13.550 --> 00:00:14.759 Busy week and a half for me anyway. 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:16.310 Just getting back from a non busy week. 00:00:16.310 --> 00:00:16.570 I don't know. 00:00:16.570 --> 00:00:19.669 What happens when you get pneumonia and you can't move and then today's 00:00:19.669 --> 00:00:21.930 the first day after a week and a half you can actually do something. 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:23.320 Busy or not, I don't know. 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:24.879 But I just laid on my couch dying. 00:00:25.189 --> 00:00:25.640 I'm back. 00:00:25.890 --> 00:00:27.059 Uh, you've had a busy week. 00:00:27.750 --> 00:00:28.740 PressConf has been announced. 00:00:29.240 --> 00:00:32.270 We're going to talk about that today, of course. 00:00:32.580 --> 00:00:35.980 But, you know, you've been hanging out in the WP Slack, WP Minute 00:00:35.980 --> 00:00:38.120 Slack, for quite some time. 00:00:38.570 --> 00:00:42.329 You're a wrangler there, that's what we label you, wrangling all things 00:00:42.329 --> 00:00:44.179 people, community content, etc. 00:00:44.179 --> 00:00:47.559 But, what else have you been up to these days, besides WP 00:00:47.559 --> 00:00:49.300 Minute, and now besides PressConf? 00:00:50.790 --> 00:00:55.309 Raquel: I mean, I'm still a community manager at Elegant Themes, but the 00:00:55.309 --> 00:00:57.774 big news is that I launched my own business called Elegant Themes. 00:00:57.934 --> 00:01:03.145 It's just this last August, uh, and that's kind of a sweet little story. 00:01:03.225 --> 00:01:06.035 Uh, there's been a life, a lot of life happening for me 00:01:06.044 --> 00:01:08.684 the last five ish, six years. 00:01:09.225 --> 00:01:16.464 And decidedly my kids came first and I've sat on this idea for quite a while. 00:01:16.714 --> 00:01:20.964 And it was around, I don't know, maybe a couple of years ago, people started to 00:01:20.975 --> 00:01:23.135 ask, like, are you just making excuses? 00:01:23.135 --> 00:01:27.385 Cause I'd been telling so many people that I want to start my own biz again, but. 00:01:27.994 --> 00:01:33.124 I legit have this crazy confidence that, you know, maybe I am making an excuse, 00:01:33.124 --> 00:01:36.774 but no matter what, it's a choice I'm making and my choices, my kids come first. 00:01:37.094 --> 00:01:41.024 And when my baby graduates, I'm then going to focus on me. 00:01:41.484 --> 00:01:48.085 And when my baby graduated, which was last May, I kind of took the summer to 00:01:48.085 --> 00:01:54.285 regroup and then come August, I hit the ground running and launched my biz and my 00:01:54.285 --> 00:01:57.575 businesses, uh, events and group travel. 00:01:58.050 --> 00:02:02.179 And it's, uh, I put myself through a little branding process, 00:02:02.690 --> 00:02:04.050 which is a whole other story. 00:02:04.050 --> 00:02:07.339 It came up with the name Wonderland Curious, and there's a lot of 00:02:07.570 --> 00:02:09.229 why and reason behind that. 00:02:09.269 --> 00:02:15.600 But my very first sort of project, or not sort of, but legit project was to 00:02:15.929 --> 00:02:22.510 resurrect an, a new name, our beloved old Pressnomics, and to resurrect this 00:02:22.980 --> 00:02:24.880 new iteration of it called Pressconf. 00:02:25.195 --> 00:02:29.114 And that's where I've been the last, like, few months. 00:02:29.505 --> 00:02:30.684 Just really working on that. 00:02:30.915 --> 00:02:33.274 Matt: I've been calling it a revival, uh, to some folks who 00:02:33.274 --> 00:02:34.945 have been messaging me, uh, today. 00:02:35.445 --> 00:02:38.515 Uh, but before we get to that, but you said you regrouped. 00:02:38.604 --> 00:02:39.714 I've been watching your Instagram. 00:02:39.714 --> 00:02:40.834 You've been traveling all over the world. 00:02:40.844 --> 00:02:41.994 That is not a regroup. 00:02:43.230 --> 00:02:47.160 A regroup to me is sit home, uh, and not try to work. 00:02:47.170 --> 00:02:49.370 You traveled everywhere as your regroup. 00:02:49.370 --> 00:02:50.650 What did you, what did you get out of it? 00:02:51.190 --> 00:02:52.869 Raquel: Well, Matt, you and I are friends. 00:02:53.440 --> 00:02:55.790 So you should know how I am. 00:02:55.830 --> 00:03:00.319 I, I truly am an extrovert and I, I don't, I say that like a curse. 00:03:00.329 --> 00:03:01.050 Like I am. 00:03:02.029 --> 00:03:04.269 I, I almost Saturdays. 00:03:04.269 --> 00:03:04.829 I don't like it. 00:03:04.999 --> 00:03:05.549 I don't like it. 00:03:05.549 --> 00:03:08.059 I like legit feel like, why am I this way? 00:03:08.339 --> 00:03:09.409 But I sort of need it. 00:03:09.774 --> 00:03:14.505 Like, I need it to process, I need it to therapize me, side note, I am in 00:03:14.565 --> 00:03:20.435 therapy, but, uh, and a lot of this travel was booked before life happened. 00:03:20.454 --> 00:03:24.875 And when my daughter graduated, I legit, I felt burnout for 00:03:24.875 --> 00:03:25.754 the first time in my life. 00:03:25.754 --> 00:03:29.704 And I think it was, I was just so go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, 00:03:29.705 --> 00:03:34.885 go, that when that sort of ended, I felt like a giant boulder. 00:03:35.530 --> 00:03:39.440 That I've been carrying for the last 20 years, I had sat down and I felt 00:03:39.460 --> 00:03:41.550 the weight of what I had just done. 00:03:42.090 --> 00:03:47.799 And so while I was sort of going through burnout and trying to take a chill pill, I 00:03:47.809 --> 00:03:51.769 had already these travel plans organized. 00:03:51.779 --> 00:03:53.360 And so I just had to do it. 00:03:53.780 --> 00:03:58.780 And some of it felt like, you know, like, like, yeah, this is a lot 00:03:58.780 --> 00:04:01.744 and I don't know how I can do this, but so much of it felt like it. 00:04:02.045 --> 00:04:03.485 It's exactly what I needed. 00:04:03.505 --> 00:04:06.445 There's just so much thought that comes with it. 00:04:06.445 --> 00:04:08.225 And I don't travel like a tourist. 00:04:08.225 --> 00:04:09.415 I travel like a local. 00:04:09.675 --> 00:04:11.235 So when I do travel, I'm chill. 00:04:11.405 --> 00:04:11.575 Matt: Yeah. 00:04:11.575 --> 00:04:14.385 You have one Jan sport backpack and I'm like, how does she do it? 00:04:14.464 --> 00:04:16.244 I got, I need a whole roll. 00:04:16.265 --> 00:04:19.954 I three roll on suitcases to do across the country. 00:04:20.284 --> 00:04:21.688 Raquel: No, no, no, no, no. 00:04:21.688 --> 00:04:21.931 Yeah. 00:04:21.931 --> 00:04:23.435 So, I mean, yes, I get it. 00:04:23.435 --> 00:04:27.705 I look like I've been doing a lot and I mean, I have been doing a lot just. 00:04:27.965 --> 00:04:32.705 Just the way I work, my personality, my psyche, everything 00:04:32.705 --> 00:04:34.495 about me, it's what I need. 00:04:34.555 --> 00:04:37.955 Um, and granted, when I'm home, I've been home, I've been chillin 00:04:37.955 --> 00:04:39.795 on the couch, I've been watching TV. 00:04:40.145 --> 00:04:41.305 I never watch TV. 00:04:41.354 --> 00:04:42.615 This is like all new for me. 00:04:42.835 --> 00:04:44.315 TV, do we call it TV anymore? 00:04:45.735 --> 00:04:49.735 I think you and I are like the exact same age, but like, I've been watching shows. 00:04:50.390 --> 00:04:51.250 On the couch. 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:52.570 It's been lovely. 00:04:52.740 --> 00:04:55.940 So, I mean, so I have been having some downtime for the first time. 00:04:56.730 --> 00:05:00.260 Matt: Uh, so you, you take that boulder, you place it down and then you take up, 00:05:00.320 --> 00:05:03.670 pick up another boulder, strap it right back on your back called PressConf. 00:05:04.280 --> 00:05:11.500 Um, Pressnomics is one of those things that is a, a real legacy 00:05:11.510 --> 00:05:13.820 in the WordPress business space. 00:05:14.210 --> 00:05:16.909 Um, I want to break down a whole bunch of things here. 00:05:17.289 --> 00:05:19.610 Uh, but let's just talk about. 00:05:20.085 --> 00:05:25.385 Carrying or reviving pressnomics now pressconf talk about that. 00:05:25.395 --> 00:05:27.955 Wait for a second Impostor syndrome. 00:05:27.955 --> 00:05:28.875 Can I do this? 00:05:28.885 --> 00:05:29.795 Should I do this? 00:05:29.804 --> 00:05:32.875 What went through your head and why specifically? 00:05:32.974 --> 00:05:34.664 revive pressnomics 00:05:35.694 --> 00:05:38.155 Raquel: 100 yes, all of that. 00:05:38.224 --> 00:05:44.875 Um It got to the point where I had to uh, where there was no choice and it 00:05:44.965 --> 00:05:51.790 probably started a year and a half ago when the idea, the seed of reviving 00:05:51.820 --> 00:05:57.560 prosomics came into my head and it really became out of a need from the community. 00:05:57.619 --> 00:06:02.880 I just, you know, post pandemic there, you know, there was steps, there was word 00:06:02.880 --> 00:06:04.910 camps took a while to come back in person. 00:06:05.400 --> 00:06:09.780 Once they did, you know, there was kind of some like stumbling, uh, to get 00:06:09.780 --> 00:06:12.954 to, you know, a good, in person event. 00:06:13.435 --> 00:06:18.724 And by the time I would say we're Camp Europe 2023 in Athens, I started to hear 00:06:18.735 --> 00:06:23.054 the community say, like, we really need a business of WordPress conference again. 00:06:23.644 --> 00:06:27.344 And I've long been friends with Josh and Sally. 00:06:27.775 --> 00:06:31.274 And so my kind of thoughts were, let's push them a little 00:06:31.275 --> 00:06:32.344 bit to like, bring it back. 00:06:32.364 --> 00:06:36.774 But we all know GoDaddy now owns that trademark. 00:06:36.784 --> 00:06:39.289 So And let's face it, we don't 00:06:39.289 --> 00:06:40.140 Matt: need Strebl back. 00:06:40.169 --> 00:06:41.919 We don't need Strebl back in the mix, right? 00:06:42.179 --> 00:06:45.349 Just let him troll on Twitter and he's doing good. 00:06:46.669 --> 00:06:47.099 Raquel: It's funny. 00:06:47.099 --> 00:06:47.609 I get it. 00:06:47.619 --> 00:06:49.739 I still call him Josh too and everyone says Strebl. 00:06:49.749 --> 00:06:50.409 But yes, I get it. 00:06:50.440 --> 00:06:59.440 Um, but yeah, so I then just a series of just, Events WordCamp US in DC, uh, really 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:03.289 hearing it kind of like having this idea talking with even Corey Miller about maybe 00:07:03.289 --> 00:07:08.830 doing something and then really kind of the catalyst was just, just this past, 00:07:08.880 --> 00:07:15.230 um, spring, late winter, uh, in Taipei for WordCamp Asia, a few things happened. 00:07:15.250 --> 00:07:20.330 I remember hearing Robert Windisch, uh, say CloudFest was the new 00:07:20.340 --> 00:07:22.850 Pressnomics and I was like, fuck that. 00:07:23.825 --> 00:07:30.315 That's not, no, and then I went on this like mastermind community call 00:07:30.315 --> 00:07:34.684 for WordPress and bunch of big names in community when it comes to WordPress. 00:07:34.714 --> 00:07:38.174 And again, they were sharing the sentiment that we really 00:07:38.174 --> 00:07:39.094 need a business of WordPress. 00:07:39.325 --> 00:07:40.425 Press word camp. 00:07:40.725 --> 00:07:41.695 And I got off that phone. 00:07:41.695 --> 00:07:43.974 I'm like, Nope, I'm bringing this back. 00:07:43.985 --> 00:07:46.315 And I reached out to Josh and Sally. 00:07:46.844 --> 00:07:48.565 I was like, guys, what do we need to do? 00:07:48.655 --> 00:07:50.175 I'm like, let's do this together. 00:07:50.185 --> 00:07:52.195 If you don't want to, can I have your blessing? 00:07:52.515 --> 00:07:54.565 And I know you don't necessarily need that. 00:07:54.565 --> 00:07:56.964 There's been people who have like said, like, you know, like, 00:07:56.974 --> 00:07:58.625 who, like, why do you need that? 00:07:58.685 --> 00:08:01.125 And I'm like, for me, I'm a good faith person. 00:08:01.395 --> 00:08:04.265 You know, this was very much Sally's baby. 00:08:04.295 --> 00:08:05.935 And I want to respect that so much. 00:08:05.965 --> 00:08:09.774 And so for me, it was like, like I had been a part of every single 00:08:09.774 --> 00:08:11.445 Pressonomics iteration in the past. 00:08:11.615 --> 00:08:14.984 I helped in the past, and this is what we want to revive. 00:08:15.135 --> 00:08:19.405 And I don't want to do it without, uh, being above, I don't want to say 00:08:19.405 --> 00:08:21.534 above board, but just above good faith. 00:08:21.544 --> 00:08:26.004 Like I want to make sure that, that I'm going to like honor what was started. 00:08:26.205 --> 00:08:27.955 And so, yeah, I got the blessing. 00:08:28.340 --> 00:08:33.370 Matt: Yeah, it's about, yeah, it's like being a good citizen in the space, uh, 00:08:33.370 --> 00:08:34.610 you know, respecting your colleagues. 00:08:34.870 --> 00:08:38.110 I like to say I worked for Sally Shrebel, not Josh, uh, 00:08:38.110 --> 00:08:40.110 when I worked at, uh, Pagely. 00:08:40.560 --> 00:08:43.959 But I will tell you that she did pour her heart and soul into 00:08:43.959 --> 00:08:44.779 the, into the, uh, the show. 00:08:44.930 --> 00:08:45.940 Uh, the conference. 00:08:46.060 --> 00:08:47.280 I mean, everyone did. 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:51.740 Uh, I, I, we didn't have to work yet or when I was there, 00:08:52.020 --> 00:08:53.010 I didn't have to work it. 00:08:53.070 --> 00:08:56.570 Um, but you know, the previous ones, I know a lot of the team did. 00:08:56.850 --> 00:09:01.230 Uh, everyone put a lot of effort into that and you know, it's, it's great to see. 00:09:01.379 --> 00:09:05.080 And this is why, you know, I'm not answering for you, but this is why it 00:09:05.130 --> 00:09:10.670 makes sense to pick something like this because Pressnomics was always the, the, 00:09:11.050 --> 00:09:13.160 Event you went to in the WordPress space. 00:09:13.160 --> 00:09:14.310 Yeah, you always went to WordCamps. 00:09:14.330 --> 00:09:15.480 We all went to WordCamps. 00:09:16.170 --> 00:09:19.379 And when I say back, you know, back then with air quotes, but 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:21.430 Pressnomics was like, ah, you know, you just don't want to miss it. 00:09:22.249 --> 00:09:29.555 And hyper focused on the business side, uh, of WordPress, which Today, even, 00:09:29.575 --> 00:09:33.525 you know, pandemic aside, which I know is a big variable, but we're headed 00:09:33.525 --> 00:09:38.825 into 2025 and there's still no, you know, de facto, like that's the, the 00:09:38.825 --> 00:09:41.345 marquee business event for WordPress. 00:09:41.724 --> 00:09:47.185 And the fact that business isn't really something that is, uh, again, 00:09:47.195 --> 00:09:52.825 another marquee sort of track at regular WordCamps is baffling. 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:57.890 Uh, to me and, uh, you know, we're not going to talk about like all the stuff 00:09:57.890 --> 00:10:02.949 happening in WordPress these days in terms of the automatic versus WP engine, but 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:10.060 my God, how are they going to continue WordCamps without revitalizing, you know, 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:15.560 the approach and there's a lot of bridges that have been burned, uh, up until this 00:10:15.560 --> 00:10:17.380 day with everything that's been happening. 00:10:17.530 --> 00:10:23.505 So, you know, good on you for picking, uh, Uh, Pressnomics to revive now 00:10:23.515 --> 00:10:27.155 PressConf and then of course talking to Josh and Sally, uh, to get their 00:10:27.155 --> 00:10:28.985 blessing is absolutely what we want to do. 00:10:29.394 --> 00:10:32.195 Um, before we get too far, it's PressConf. 00:10:32.275 --> 00:10:33.875 events is the website. 00:10:33.875 --> 00:10:38.044 You can go and at least sign up to stay notified, but you can get your early 00:10:38.044 --> 00:10:39.495 bird tickets by clicking on get tickets. 00:10:39.495 --> 00:10:40.564 We're going to get to that in a moment. 00:10:40.965 --> 00:10:49.300 Um, when you started to, uh, look at, uh, At revitalizing this, the other 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.270 mainstay, and listen, I'm not a guy. 00:10:51.290 --> 00:10:52.060 We just talked about this. 00:10:52.060 --> 00:10:56.170 I'm not a guy who likes to travel and it certainly don't like going west for 00:10:56.170 --> 00:10:58.950 long stretches of time in an air plane. 00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:03.140 Um, but mission palms resort is also like one of those places that 00:11:03.169 --> 00:11:05.919 just makes sense for this event. 00:11:06.170 --> 00:11:07.920 I was talking to somebody else before we hit record. 00:11:07.920 --> 00:11:08.730 They're like, Hey, should I go? 00:11:08.730 --> 00:11:09.120 What do you think? 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:09.570 Are you going to go? 00:11:09.860 --> 00:11:12.190 And I'm just like, look, and like, what makes us good is somebody 00:11:12.190 --> 00:11:15.625 who's never been before, Um, or even knows about, uh, press nomics. 00:11:15.655 --> 00:11:21.225 And I was like, two things, the core focus on business is amazing at press 00:11:21.225 --> 00:11:25.305 nomics, and I'm sure it will be on at press conf and second, the venue's 00:11:25.335 --> 00:11:31.004 perfect because it's small enough, big enough to relax a little bit, but also 00:11:31.004 --> 00:11:33.045 to be around everyone at the same time. 00:11:33.045 --> 00:11:36.895 So that's a lot of me talking there, but you, you picked it and 00:11:36.945 --> 00:11:39.725 replicating it at the same space, I think makes total sense as well. 00:11:40.805 --> 00:11:41.855 Raquel: Yeah, that was the idea. 00:11:41.925 --> 00:11:46.265 The idea was this first iteration and not saying that the following 00:11:46.275 --> 00:11:49.734 iterations won't follow, but this first iteration was going to look and 00:11:49.734 --> 00:11:51.345 feel exactly like what we remember. 00:11:51.974 --> 00:11:55.615 We remember, like, the idea is that this is the revival. 00:11:55.615 --> 00:11:57.725 This is the reiteration of it. 00:11:57.845 --> 00:12:00.435 And Tempe Mission Poems is wonderful. 00:12:00.665 --> 00:12:01.615 Love it so much. 00:12:01.765 --> 00:12:07.235 And exactly like you just said, it's you don't have to leave, you know, and even 00:12:07.235 --> 00:12:13.615 when you do leave for lunch, you just walk onto the strip right there, Milav, and 00:12:13.875 --> 00:12:17.265 every single option of eating is there. 00:12:17.275 --> 00:12:20.334 So it's just everything is just communal at this place. 00:12:20.365 --> 00:12:25.385 And it's happens to be also, you know, I live in Phoenix. 00:12:25.610 --> 00:12:28.130 So, and that's just pure coincidence. 00:12:28.170 --> 00:12:31.599 Uh, actually Josh and Sally, we used to live in the same suburb of Phoenix. 00:12:31.599 --> 00:12:33.240 That's when we very first met each other. 00:12:33.270 --> 00:12:38.990 Um, and now all of that is coincidence and I guess convenience, but really 00:12:38.990 --> 00:12:43.470 mostly coincidence because even if I didn't live here in the valley, 00:12:43.520 --> 00:12:47.050 I would have chosen the same exact spot because it just works out. 00:12:47.610 --> 00:12:51.060 And it's a pretty easy flight, you know, to get to, I get it. 00:12:51.310 --> 00:12:55.389 You come from Boston, you come from like the furthest to northeast point of the U. 00:12:55.390 --> 00:12:55.770 S. 00:12:55.789 --> 00:12:59.480 But still, you know, it's not too difficult to get to. 00:12:59.560 --> 00:13:00.139 Matt: No, it's not. 00:13:00.709 --> 00:13:02.800 Phoenix is where you would fly into and then it's like, what? 00:13:03.564 --> 00:13:05.925 I don't, I don't remember it's like 20 minutes to drive to 00:13:06.005 --> 00:13:08.454 Raquel: barely like 10, 10 minutes. 00:13:08.454 --> 00:13:11.464 In fact, you can even like take the light rail straight to it. 00:13:11.465 --> 00:13:12.665 You don't even have to drive. 00:13:12.945 --> 00:13:14.375 It's very accessible. 00:13:14.710 --> 00:13:14.960 Matt: Yeah. 00:13:15.470 --> 00:13:21.390 Um, so you, you have the idea, you're energized to revitalize this, you've 00:13:21.390 --> 00:13:25.869 got the name Press Conf, you talk to Josh and Sally, you know, sort of get 00:13:25.870 --> 00:13:28.420 their blessing or let them know that you're, that you're working on it. 00:13:28.620 --> 00:13:30.069 What came next for you? 00:13:30.130 --> 00:13:32.960 I mean, granted, you've done a ton of events in the, in the past, but 00:13:32.969 --> 00:13:36.100 like, what was your, what was your playbook to say, okay, I got it, 00:13:36.150 --> 00:13:37.710 got the name ready to rock and roll. 00:13:37.740 --> 00:13:38.520 What did you do next? 00:13:39.030 --> 00:13:44.260 Raquel: Yeah, I, uh, I started reaching out to my favorite people to build 00:13:44.260 --> 00:13:46.260 the team, to really fill the gaps. 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:53.549 You know, um, yeah, I'm not new to running events, um, but almost exclusively 00:13:53.550 --> 00:13:56.620 I've ran WordCamps, you know, and they, they work a little bit different. 00:13:57.030 --> 00:14:02.959 And one thing, almost my entire time organizing for WordCamp Phoenix, 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:07.299 including the times I organized for WordCamp US, uh, just the team was. 00:14:08.035 --> 00:14:12.335 Just immaculate, you know, and especially WordCamp Phoenix. 00:14:12.335 --> 00:14:14.655 I mean, these are like friends. 00:14:14.775 --> 00:14:17.264 These are like people that we like we do life together. 00:14:17.264 --> 00:14:22.744 We don't just do WordPress together and and that meant a lot to me, you 00:14:22.745 --> 00:14:26.325 know, so I wanted to recreate that like there's a lot I can do on my own. 00:14:26.745 --> 00:14:30.955 But there's a lot that I can't and I'm no, not too proud to beg. 00:14:31.035 --> 00:14:37.025 And so those first steps were reaching out to a short list of the people I 00:14:37.035 --> 00:14:42.284 love and respect and to just build the team, uh, a little team lean. 00:14:42.384 --> 00:14:45.235 I remember learning that even with Sally, I think the first time I 00:14:45.244 --> 00:14:49.005 helped her was in 2013 and just the way we, you know, run lean. 00:14:49.025 --> 00:14:50.375 And that was very big for me. 00:14:50.575 --> 00:14:53.295 It doesn't take much, especially when people are good at what they do. 00:14:53.660 --> 00:14:57.050 You know, and one of the biggest things that I was super 00:14:57.050 --> 00:14:58.490 happy about was compensation. 00:14:58.800 --> 00:15:03.160 You know, as being able to compensate organizers and that 00:15:03.160 --> 00:15:08.070 we're not just volunteering, we're actually getting our value met of 00:15:08.420 --> 00:15:10.380 the value spent, you know, met. 00:15:11.745 --> 00:15:14.315 Matt: If you're, if you're watching this, I have, or if you're just 00:15:14.315 --> 00:15:15.915 listening to this, make sure you check out the YouTube video. 00:15:15.915 --> 00:15:18.035 But if you're watching this, I have the team page up. 00:15:18.035 --> 00:15:19.505 It's of course you, Brian Richards. 00:15:19.514 --> 00:15:23.955 Somehow this guy, Matt Madera showed up, uh, Carol, Dave, Ryan, uh, 00:15:23.995 --> 00:15:29.555 Nathan Atkinson, and the Nathan B Weller, uh, on the, on the team. 00:15:29.945 --> 00:15:30.915 Um, I've. 00:15:31.730 --> 00:15:35.290 I've been to just a handful of meetings so far, uh, granted I've been super 00:15:35.290 --> 00:15:39.730 busy and, and uh, bogged down with life and getting sick and kids, et cetera. 00:15:39.860 --> 00:15:42.350 Uh, but what's the infrastructure like behind the scenes? 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.479 Somebody saying, Hey, look, I want to build out a team. 00:15:44.749 --> 00:15:45.660 What did you spin up? 00:15:45.709 --> 00:15:49.220 Like on the, on the geeky technical stuff, Slack team, like what did you 00:15:49.220 --> 00:15:54.200 use for, for software to start wrangling and organizing all of these ideas and 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:55.440 people who are contributing to this? 00:15:56.050 --> 00:16:00.550 Raquel: Yeah, well, one thing about me is I'm all like, I just do it. 00:16:00.640 --> 00:16:05.679 I, uh, I, people want to hate on Myers Briggs, whatevs, uh, but for, when it 00:16:05.680 --> 00:16:07.409 comes to Myers Briggs, I'm an ENFP. 00:16:07.499 --> 00:16:09.060 And one of my favorite parts about that is I don't even know what 00:16:09.060 --> 00:16:12.679 Matt: that means, Raquel, so you're far, far more ahead than I am. 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:16.940 Raquel: Just some personality, quibs, kind of like, you know, 00:16:16.970 --> 00:16:18.430 Enneagram, all that shit. 00:16:18.520 --> 00:16:20.159 Anyway, the, the, uh. 00:16:20.210 --> 00:16:21.090 Um, what was it? 00:16:21.140 --> 00:16:23.070 It was, yeah, I'm an ENFP. 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:26.680 I'm a campaigner, but the P at the end is, it stands for prospector 00:16:26.910 --> 00:16:28.480 and this idea that you just do it. 00:16:29.050 --> 00:16:30.769 You don't think you just do it. 00:16:30.800 --> 00:16:32.890 And so that's, that is very much Raquel. 00:16:32.909 --> 00:16:33.749 Like I just do it. 00:16:33.749 --> 00:16:36.539 I'm like, we're going to figure this out as we go, but we're just going to do it. 00:16:36.540 --> 00:16:39.819 But, you know, me and my teams in the past, we have our systems. 00:16:39.819 --> 00:16:41.480 It's like, you already know. 00:16:42.085 --> 00:16:45.655 Once you already know how to do it, the tool you use isn't the biggest of deals, 00:16:45.705 --> 00:16:49.525 you know, so yeah, Slack, you know, like, it's just a small team, even if 00:16:49.525 --> 00:16:53.115 we decide to pay, I haven't paid yet, but like, it wouldn't be much because 00:16:53.115 --> 00:16:58.674 there's just a few of us, but we got Slack, uh, I mean, I'm still a Slack girl. 00:16:58.860 --> 00:16:59.800 Matt: Notion, right? 00:16:59.800 --> 00:17:01.330 I think we're using Notion for some of this stuff. 00:17:01.500 --> 00:17:05.929 Raquel: Notion, yeah, uh, my, my girl Carol is an absolute beast 00:17:05.929 --> 00:17:09.129 when it comes to tools and she just went to town on Notion and 00:17:09.129 --> 00:17:10.849 just built out this thing already. 00:17:10.899 --> 00:17:11.849 The whole thing's built out. 00:17:11.849 --> 00:17:14.329 I'm like, okay, this is exactly why I have Carol on the team. 00:17:14.689 --> 00:17:20.399 Uh, but yeah, we've got Notion going and, um, I mean, other, other than 00:17:20.409 --> 00:17:24.560 like the usual, like, you know, we're processing like cards and things. 00:17:24.560 --> 00:17:26.909 So we got Stripe and PayPal and all that. 00:17:26.919 --> 00:17:31.299 But otherwise the main thing is like, yeah, Notion and Slack and of course, 00:17:31.299 --> 00:17:33.759 Google little docs here and there, but 00:17:33.760 --> 00:17:37.440 Matt: yeah, easy, easy enough to, to wrangle stuff like this, right? 00:17:40.770 --> 00:17:42.459 That's what you say now, of course. 00:17:43.965 --> 00:17:47.725 Raquel: I mean, the tools kind of really, they're, that's not 00:17:47.764 --> 00:17:49.374 where the problems come in, right? 00:17:49.374 --> 00:17:53.654 The problems come in with all the work that it takes and the, 00:17:53.664 --> 00:17:55.334 the blood, sweat, and tears. 00:17:55.374 --> 00:17:56.554 I mean, that's my favorite part. 00:17:56.564 --> 00:17:57.245 I'm not going to lie. 00:17:57.654 --> 00:17:59.715 That's my favorite part of organizing events. 00:18:01.084 --> 00:18:03.415 Matt: So we, we need to get sponsors, right? 00:18:03.445 --> 00:18:05.945 Or at least in your head, you're like, okay, team's there, 00:18:06.235 --> 00:18:07.945 name, they've sanctioned it. 00:18:08.175 --> 00:18:10.975 I've got a team, I've got the tools ready to get this thing going. 00:18:11.194 --> 00:18:14.324 Now I need to make sure that there's people invested literally 00:18:14.324 --> 00:18:15.975 in this so that I can run it. 00:18:16.505 --> 00:18:17.544 Who did you knock on? 00:18:18.134 --> 00:18:19.614 Which door did you knock on first? 00:18:19.674 --> 00:18:21.244 And how is that going for sponsors? 00:18:21.934 --> 00:18:29.044 Raquel: Well, um, TBH, we are really focusing on speakers first. 00:18:29.124 --> 00:18:32.874 So right now, the way that we're working is invite first. 00:18:33.434 --> 00:18:37.894 So we are specifically inviting certain key players in the industry, 00:18:37.924 --> 00:18:40.724 definitely targeting most known names. 00:18:40.774 --> 00:18:44.004 Um, and the, one of my favorite parts about Prestonomics and what we're 00:18:44.004 --> 00:18:48.064 keeping with this new iteration is we're not recording, we're not streaming. 00:18:48.064 --> 00:18:49.324 I mean, these are raw. 00:18:49.550 --> 00:18:53.280 unfiltered talks that you got to be in the room where it happens. 00:18:53.380 --> 00:18:56.660 That's been my own personal tagline for this entire event is be in the room 00:18:56.660 --> 00:18:59.120 where it happens, because if you're not in the room where it happens, 00:18:59.120 --> 00:19:00.279 you're not going to see the talks. 00:19:00.310 --> 00:19:02.370 They will not be released afterward. 00:19:02.750 --> 00:19:03.020 Matt: Right. 00:19:03.120 --> 00:19:07.509 Raquel: Uh, so that to me, um, speakers are huge and the people 00:19:07.509 --> 00:19:10.735 who buy the tickets, you know, That's kind of makes the pudding. 00:19:11.235 --> 00:19:15.374 So sponsors, my biggest thing was just getting the sponsor 00:19:15.374 --> 00:19:17.404 package, like polished. 00:19:17.404 --> 00:19:22.245 And that took quite a bit of time, more time than I expected because I'm used 00:19:22.245 --> 00:19:26.394 to WordCamps and I'm used to a local WordCamp as opposed to a flagship event. 00:19:26.434 --> 00:19:31.574 And so that did take me some time to like, be like, bro, uh, taking off the 00:19:31.574 --> 00:19:36.004 WordCamp hat and I got to put on the professional WordPress event hat and 00:19:36.004 --> 00:19:37.965 figure out these packages, but got that. 00:19:38.465 --> 00:19:38.775 And. 00:19:39.639 --> 00:19:42.860 I've already been having a lot of talks with a lot of big companies and 00:19:42.860 --> 00:19:46.240 me and this comes with the territory of being someone who does get around 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:50.189 the community and has been known for putting on WordPress events. 00:19:50.289 --> 00:19:54.169 And so I do have a lot of conversations already going with your usual 00:19:54.169 --> 00:19:58.609 suspects when it comes to WordCamp, uh, sponsors, like the big hosting 00:19:58.610 --> 00:20:00.800 companies and names like that. 00:20:00.810 --> 00:20:03.550 So we could say that so far, big hosting companies. 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.370 Matt: I think one of the things about WordCamps is, I mean, fantastic that, 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.090 uh, there's a bunch of tracks, and especially if you're a developer, um, 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:15.000 maybe slightly on the marketing side, there's some content for you that's out 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:19.230 there, but when you go to a WordCamp, you're really either super, like, when 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:22.930 you go to a track, I should say, at a WordCamp, you're probably, like, super 00:20:22.930 --> 00:20:26.320 beginner and you really want to learn something, or you're developer, more 00:20:26.320 --> 00:20:29.220 developer minded, and somebody's showing off some kind of practice that, you're 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:30.270 like, hey, I want to check this out. 00:20:31.634 --> 00:20:37.185 One of the sort of namestays of Of this conference is the tracks 00:20:37.395 --> 00:20:42.225 or the presentations were just one room and, uh, they weren't recorded. 00:20:42.235 --> 00:20:45.274 So even if, like, if you went to a WordCamp, you, you, you know, in 00:20:45.274 --> 00:20:47.494 the back of your mind, you're like, Oh, I could go to that talk and 00:20:47.494 --> 00:20:48.205 you're like, yeah, you know what? 00:20:48.215 --> 00:20:49.325 It's actually going to be recorded. 00:20:49.425 --> 00:20:50.175 So I'm going to skip it. 00:20:50.455 --> 00:20:51.925 Uh, and then maybe I'll watch it later. 00:20:51.925 --> 00:20:53.004 Then you never watch it later. 00:20:53.304 --> 00:20:54.764 Uh, and then you just like miss it. 00:20:55.274 --> 00:20:58.774 The difference here is you want this content, you have to show up in the room. 00:20:59.929 --> 00:21:03.759 It's because after that, it's like, like most social media content these 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:05.409 days, it just disappears, right? 00:21:05.409 --> 00:21:09.439 It's like the tick tock, uh, or the snapchat of presentations. 00:21:09.649 --> 00:21:12.939 If you don't catch it, then it's gone too bad. 00:21:12.979 --> 00:21:14.679 You'll never hear it or see it again. 00:21:15.029 --> 00:21:19.110 Uh, so it does actually kind of make you very simplistically make you say, okay, 00:21:19.110 --> 00:21:20.199 I'm gonna be in the room for this talk. 00:21:20.649 --> 00:21:23.889 And I'm going to skip the hallway track, but then, you know, vice 00:21:23.889 --> 00:21:25.189 versa on these other conversations. 00:21:25.189 --> 00:21:28.350 If there's something there I don't really care for, then I'll do the hallway track. 00:21:28.350 --> 00:21:32.149 So I think it's super important that you kept that, uh, same momentum. 00:21:32.790 --> 00:21:36.620 Anything else that you're, uh, maybe sprinkling in that's slightly different 00:21:36.659 --> 00:21:38.429 than what we've been used to in the past? 00:21:38.814 --> 00:21:40.955 In terms of that, uh, set up. 00:21:41.784 --> 00:21:43.154 Raquel: Um, yeah. 00:21:43.235 --> 00:21:49.104 Uh, to your point, uh, there is no hallway track at PressConf, you know, 00:21:49.304 --> 00:21:51.594 this event is for the hallway trackers. 00:21:51.905 --> 00:21:53.004 That's who this is for. 00:21:53.024 --> 00:21:55.174 So you're going to want to go to the sessions. 00:21:55.460 --> 00:21:57.920 You're not going to want to, like, miss them. 00:21:58.110 --> 00:22:00.640 And there is only one track, you know, so you've got to be 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:01.630 in the room where it happens. 00:22:01.900 --> 00:22:05.649 But to your point, one thing different that we're going to add to this is 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:08.090 sort of, we're figuring this out. 00:22:08.090 --> 00:22:12.360 We don't have it exactly planned out yet, but, uh, structured 00:22:12.830 --> 00:22:16.050 time to mingle with others. 00:22:17.670 --> 00:22:22.200 But just basically structured, so there will be time aside from 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.540 lunch, which has always been like choose your own adventure. 00:22:25.890 --> 00:22:29.440 Uh, there will be time in the afternoons. 00:22:29.814 --> 00:22:33.604 Maybe even in the mornings where we have structured, um, play dates, 00:22:35.764 --> 00:22:40.544 I know you would, you would understand that, um, but we, uh, this is the 00:22:40.544 --> 00:22:45.674 beginning stages, but my idea and the desire was that because this, there's 00:22:45.675 --> 00:22:50.905 no hallway track at a press conf, the, cause this is for hallway trackers. 00:22:51.185 --> 00:22:55.975 We still want to allow for time aside from the mornings, aside from the evenings 00:22:55.975 --> 00:22:57.884 when you're staying up having these like. 00:22:58.310 --> 00:23:00.560 brain trust sessions, you know, until 1 a. 00:23:00.560 --> 00:23:00.850 m. 00:23:01.110 --> 00:23:04.940 And aside from lunch, we want time, structured time, somewhere throughout the 00:23:04.940 --> 00:23:10.129 day where you're given the opportunity to maybe do what you're used to doing. 00:23:10.179 --> 00:23:12.699 Because I know at a WordCamp, so many people are used to being like, 00:23:12.860 --> 00:23:16.489 I run to this Ramada and we're scheduling meetings all day long. 00:23:16.499 --> 00:23:16.809 Nope. 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:19.070 You will not be scheduling meetings at this event. 00:23:19.100 --> 00:23:20.930 Matt: I've never been to a Ramada, Raquel. 00:23:21.030 --> 00:23:23.730 I don't care what the paper trail says. 00:23:23.730 --> 00:23:26.079 Pressconf. 00:23:26.080 --> 00:23:28.840 events It's April 23rd through the 26th. 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:34.600 Uh, 23, 24, 25, 26 4 days if I have, uh, if I count on my fingers. 00:23:35.090 --> 00:23:37.100 Is it going to be 3 days of speaking? 00:23:37.100 --> 00:23:38.230 2 days of speaking? 00:23:38.370 --> 00:23:38.990 All 4? 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:39.649 Like, what's the setup? 00:23:39.899 --> 00:23:43.919 Raquel: No, the first day is just the welcome party in the afternoon. 00:23:44.260 --> 00:23:47.059 And then, Thursday, Friday are speaking days. 00:23:47.479 --> 00:23:49.259 The Saturday is the fun day. 00:23:49.290 --> 00:23:53.239 If you guys remember, uh, Pressnomics in the past, there was always a day 00:23:53.239 --> 00:23:57.270 for golf for the mats of WordPress. 00:23:57.299 --> 00:23:59.429 That is a loaded statement right there. 00:23:59.749 --> 00:24:03.969 But, and then a not golf option for those of us who do not 00:24:03.970 --> 00:24:05.940 golf, which that would be me. 00:24:06.090 --> 00:24:09.960 So Matt, I'm actually going to be consulting with you even 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:12.460 more on that because nobody on the team golfs except for you. 00:24:12.649 --> 00:24:13.040 So, 00:24:13.350 --> 00:24:16.695 Matt: uh, Well, I've got some opinions. 00:24:17.135 --> 00:24:19.245 Um, yeah. 00:24:19.245 --> 00:24:22.084 So looking at, again, looking at the website, press conf dot 00:24:22.124 --> 00:24:23.675 events, at the tickets page. 00:24:23.735 --> 00:24:25.595 You can get a VIP all access pass. 00:24:25.905 --> 00:24:29.055 Uh, right now, early bird access is 680. 00:24:29.305 --> 00:24:32.465 Or you can get general admission, uh, for 580. 00:24:32.685 --> 00:24:35.565 That'll get you access to, obviously, the event. 00:24:35.665 --> 00:24:38.425 Does that get you access to the retreat days? 00:24:38.425 --> 00:24:39.715 What's the difference between the two? 00:24:39.715 --> 00:24:39.779 I don't know. 00:24:40.280 --> 00:24:41.950 Raquel: Yeah, they're basically the same ticket. 00:24:42.170 --> 00:24:46.980 It's just that the general mission is no retreat day, but essentially 00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:49.630 the same, it gets you to the welcome party and the after party, 00:24:50.120 --> 00:24:51.800 and there is the add on option. 00:24:51.800 --> 00:24:55.430 So if you're traveling with a significant other, then we do have 00:24:55.460 --> 00:24:58.990 a plus one option as well, that they could come to the parties. 00:25:00.130 --> 00:25:00.590 Matt: Fantastic. 00:25:00.590 --> 00:25:01.420 Is the party going to be. 00:25:01.805 --> 00:25:03.365 At the venue or is it going to be somewhere else? 00:25:03.365 --> 00:25:05.955 Or is it secret, undisclosed right now? 00:25:05.985 --> 00:25:06.805 Can't talk about it. 00:25:07.415 --> 00:25:08.215 Raquel: No, no, no. 00:25:08.215 --> 00:25:11.475 The welcome party and the after party will be at the venue itself. 00:25:11.715 --> 00:25:17.524 Very similar to how it used to be, our, the old pressomics iterations. 00:25:17.805 --> 00:25:20.745 Matt: I'm trying to remember, the courtyard area was it two levels? 00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:27.240 Raquel: I think what you're remembering is there was a few times we were at the pool. 00:25:27.790 --> 00:25:31.570 Uh, but yeah, but both of our parties will be in the courtyard. 00:25:31.860 --> 00:25:33.620 It's so close to everything. 00:25:33.650 --> 00:25:36.480 I mean, in the entire hotel, for those of you who remember, and 00:25:36.490 --> 00:25:40.430 for those of you who don't, it's, it's circles around a courtyard. 00:25:40.430 --> 00:25:44.925 And so all your rooms, You know, we'll be all around that courtyard and to 00:25:44.925 --> 00:25:48.945 Matt's point earlier, it's just so accessible and so intimate and such 00:25:48.945 --> 00:25:53.905 a time to connect with the who's who and the up and coming and WordPress. 00:25:54.925 --> 00:25:55.445 Matt: All right, Raquel. 00:25:55.445 --> 00:25:57.195 So what's the biggest lesson so far? 00:25:57.195 --> 00:26:00.085 I mean, I know you're still early ish days, but you've 00:26:00.085 --> 00:26:01.275 been working on it for a while. 00:26:01.515 --> 00:26:02.885 What's the biggest takeaway so far? 00:26:02.885 --> 00:26:05.235 What, what's got you, what's got you a little stuck, but what's 00:26:05.235 --> 00:26:06.705 also got you a little proud so far? 00:26:08.185 --> 00:26:09.865 Raquel: Really more so me. 00:26:10.180 --> 00:26:14.730 Um, I'm honestly been crying on and off the past couple days and I don't, 00:26:14.780 --> 00:26:16.850 I don't shy for my tears anymore. 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:22.800 But, uh, I, um, This is my first baby, not actual children. 00:26:22.870 --> 00:26:26.990 I've had three and I'm very proud of those, but like in the past, 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.250 my old business was not my baby. 00:26:29.290 --> 00:26:33.750 Um, you know, and even now where I work, which proud to work at ET, 00:26:33.770 --> 00:26:36.340 it's not my baby and this is my baby. 00:26:36.490 --> 00:26:42.840 And a lot of the lessons and just applications I've had to learn and even 00:26:42.840 --> 00:26:47.720 in still learning is how much all of this is, how much I believe in myself. 00:26:48.125 --> 00:26:53.565 You know, and, and how affirmations really sort of do work the past few 00:26:53.565 --> 00:26:57.205 years, and I've just been like, I'm pushing it off until my babies graduate. 00:26:57.545 --> 00:27:00.545 And I just kept saying insane, even when the naysayers didn't. 00:27:00.835 --> 00:27:03.445 And then here I come and I don't even know why. 00:27:03.970 --> 00:27:10.150 Feeling burnout and I just do it and then and here I am and it did not arise 00:27:10.170 --> 00:27:13.910 by any means and there's so much more that I need to do and and I'm excited 00:27:13.910 --> 00:27:20.440 to do it but I I'm blown away that I did it like because it's actually mine. 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:24.130 Matt: There's uh, Listen, there's, there's a certain level of 00:27:24.130 --> 00:27:29.120 craziness, uh, somebody needs to do something like this to this level. 00:27:29.120 --> 00:27:33.720 And I'm, you know, I am, I am thankful it's you, not me, uh, number one. 00:27:33.970 --> 00:27:35.880 Uh, but number two, like you're the person to do it. 00:27:35.950 --> 00:27:40.175 And, uh, I think when it comes to getting, you know, I mean, event, 00:27:40.185 --> 00:27:41.875 I can't even plan a birthday party. 00:27:41.885 --> 00:27:44.875 So there's that, but to do something like this, where you're bringing 00:27:44.875 --> 00:27:48.195 people literally from all around the world, it's, uh, sort of one 00:27:48.195 --> 00:27:51.245 of these traditions that we've had in the, in the WordPress community. 00:27:51.245 --> 00:27:52.655 So you're, you're reviving that. 00:27:52.975 --> 00:27:55.425 Um, and you're bringing together. 00:27:56.275 --> 00:28:00.115 People on a subject that we're all sort of really hungry for, right? 00:28:00.125 --> 00:28:01.255 Work based business. 00:28:01.685 --> 00:28:04.095 Um, there's a lot of things at play. 00:28:04.105 --> 00:28:07.725 And, uh, you know, I'm proud to have, uh, helped just in a tiny, 00:28:07.725 --> 00:28:10.195 tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny way so far. 00:28:10.405 --> 00:28:12.645 Uh, but I also think that, you know, you're the woman for the 00:28:12.645 --> 00:28:13.785 job for this kind of thing. 00:28:13.795 --> 00:28:15.235 And, uh, you know, proud of you. 00:28:15.275 --> 00:28:18.035 And, uh, really rooting for you and, and the entire team to 00:28:18.035 --> 00:28:18.885 get this thing off the ground. 00:28:18.885 --> 00:28:20.195 So, press conf. 00:28:20.390 --> 00:28:23.390 dot events, press conf dot events. 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:25.240 It'll be linked up wherever you're listening or watching to 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.220 this April 23rd through the 26th. 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:29.210 You can get early bird tickets. 00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:33.190 Now sign up Raquel, anything anywhere else you want people to go. 00:28:33.190 --> 00:28:34.470 Any, are you on blue sky? 00:28:34.470 --> 00:28:35.510 Like what's happening these days? 00:28:35.520 --> 00:28:37.100 Like where do you want people to go other than. 00:28:38.055 --> 00:28:38.305 Pressconf. 00:28:38.305 --> 00:28:38.715 events. 00:28:39.095 --> 00:28:39.665 Raquel: Yes. 00:28:39.695 --> 00:28:45.785 I mean, obviously Zitter, uh, Twitter X, uh, still have a presence. 00:28:45.815 --> 00:28:50.285 Um, there is a, an IG cause I'm an IG girl anyway. 00:28:50.365 --> 00:28:54.765 And yeah, I was just thinking, I was like, uh, ever since this past week, I feel like 00:28:54.765 --> 00:28:56.465 everyone's like, we're moving to blue sky. 00:28:56.465 --> 00:29:01.055 So I was like, ah, shit, I should go squat on a, on a, a handle there too. 00:29:01.065 --> 00:29:05.405 But you know, the usual spots and, um, obviously people 00:29:05.405 --> 00:29:06.685 could reach out to me as well. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.430 Matt: The Twitter handle for PressConf is AtPress. 00:29:10.875 --> 00:29:16.975 Underscore two times conf, underscore two times conf, uh, 00:29:17.005 --> 00:29:17.995 or, you know, I'll link it up. 00:29:18.015 --> 00:29:19.485 Double underscore, double underscore. 00:29:19.715 --> 00:29:20.385 That's how you say that. 00:29:20.395 --> 00:29:20.675 Jesus. 00:29:22.515 --> 00:29:23.425 Is that what the kids say? 00:29:23.515 --> 00:29:24.045 I don't know. 00:29:24.045 --> 00:29:24.445 Raquel. 00:29:24.805 --> 00:29:26.285 Uh, everybody, thanks for listening. 00:29:26.285 --> 00:29:27.045 Thanks for hanging out. 00:29:27.115 --> 00:29:28.995 Again, check out press conf dot events. 00:29:29.285 --> 00:29:32.875 Uh, it's an event you're not going to want to miss, especially if you're in 00:29:32.885 --> 00:29:35.835 the WordPress business space or want to be around people who are, you know, 00:29:35.875 --> 00:29:37.815 really hungry for this kind of content. 00:29:37.845 --> 00:29:39.635 And I think it's going to be an amazing event. 00:29:39.805 --> 00:29:40.125 Time. 00:29:40.135 --> 00:29:41.665 Thanks for listening to today's episode. 00:29:41.715 --> 00:29:45.265 Check out all the links in the show notes and we'll see you in the next episode.