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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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No!

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what is up everybody and welcome to the

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united states department of nerds where we

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are for the people by the people and

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of the people and if you're noticing this

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lovely couple with me tonight we have

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ethan coogan or kogan yeah kogan i was

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i was that close and jessica silvetti you

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got it yeah nailed it

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And they're here to talk with us about

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Shock-Headed Peter, book number two,

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which I can tell you from personal

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experience,

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I just finished reading it about an hour

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ago.

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Well, the preview in both volume book one,

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book two, Chef's Kiss.

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I love everything about it.

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Thank you all so much for coming on

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and joining us here and the rest of

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my council members watching from wherever

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they're watching from tonight.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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Can I first just applaud your intro?

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Yes, it's amazing.

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Because I was like, one,

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I felt like I was about to go

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on a ride at Disneyland,

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which was awesome.

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And two, I'm like,

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I want to explore this world more right

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now.

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I know there was a lot of Star

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Wars references and whatnot, but still,

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I was like,

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can we go into this more?

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Did you notice that we're also in an

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X-Wing flying through the galaxy far,

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far away?

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Yeah.

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Love it.

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and the voice at the very beginning that

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says you were listening to the usdn on

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the dfpn that is actually our good friend

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and frank d who's a part of the

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no gimmicks podcast here at the dfpn

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network oh wow very awesome practice is

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very hard to get the voice right he

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can do darth vader and he can do

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sidious so brilliant guy really great

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cosplayer as well so awesome

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Yeah, we know how hard it is.

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We actually just went through this.

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We were cutting a trailer for a book,

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and we just happen to know a lot

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of professional voiceover actors who lent

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their voices to the trailer.

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But just going through that process,

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I know how difficult it can be to

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dial in the right voice.

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But it makes a world of a difference

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to have that good voice.

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He has it perfect.

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He's got that natural bassy voice anyway.

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So I think I listened to probably a

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hundred plus clips of him practicing over

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and over again.

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He would do one that he really liked,

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send it to me and I would listen

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to it and be like, dude, that's perfect.

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That's spot on.

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Where are you doing?

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It's like, yeah, it's almost there.

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And he would just keep going.

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And he had, he got,

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he dialed it in perfectly.

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And I was just like, dude, I got,

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can you do me a commercial like that?

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He was like,

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Easy.

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He did me that one.

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He did me another one with Darth Vader's

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voice.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, that's really cool.

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Nice.

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But enough about my friends.

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Let's talk about y'all.

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Yes.

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Well, first of all,

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thank you so much for your very kind

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words.

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It's very exciting to hear that you

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enjoyed reading it.

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And you got a sneak peek of part

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two.

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So it's great to hear your response to

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it.

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Yeah.

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Really enjoyable.

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uh your artist's name is giuseppe yeah we

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we call him after a couple years we

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just call him joe well he asked us

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to call him joe okay is he italian

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or yeah he's he's roman to be specific

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i believe okay he lives in rome okay

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so this has been my year of Discovery

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for comic books yeah and uh I've learned

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of a lot of really really good French

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or I guess they're French and Italian

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comic book artists and comic book writers

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this year and to see his name I

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was like he's either French or he's

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Italian and like these guys anytime I see

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their name on a book here lately I'm

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like

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flipping it open, like I knew it.

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Yeah.

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He's we, we just like,

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it's a great match.

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Um, and we've been so lucky like that.

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It just all worked out with him.

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And like, how did that link up happen?

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I know that's a question for later,

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but since we're already talking about him,

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we can dive into it.

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Cause like, yeah.

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So we kind of hail from the film

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and TV world.

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That's how we kind of came up through

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things.

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And this was our first foray into the

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comics and art world.

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And we have a lot of friends in

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indie comics who kind of helped us along

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the way,

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and we wanted to do it right.

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And so when we were searching for artists,

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with the tone of our book.

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We wanted something kind of dark,

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but also playful.

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And we didn't want to lean too heavy,

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because there were some amazing artists

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that we worked with.

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Like,

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we did a variant cover of our first

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book where Shotgun to Peter was just

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completely goth and dark and awesome

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looking.

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That would be kind of cool to see,

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actually.

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Well, we can show you that.

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And he did the variant cover for part

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two, that same artist.

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But if we went too much into that

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for the whole book,

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it would have taken on a different tone.

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He wouldn't have gotten some of the tongue

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in cheek humor that we try to put

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into this.

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And when we came across Joe's art on

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randomly on a Facebook group that he said

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he posted for the first time.

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And we saw he did this one character.

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I think it was like a Napoleon type

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character on a steampunk horse that was

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like rearing up.

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And it was just all.

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I love steampunk art.

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So that's one of those where anytime I

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see it,

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you got to admire it because they go

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into such great detail.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And he did the pencils, the inks,

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and the color,

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and his lighting brought so much emotion.

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And we're like, okay, this is the guy.

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Let's do some test pages and see if

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we can work together.

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And it's been three years?

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Yeah, from book one to now, book two.

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But exactly that, like the color,

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you know, as Ethan said,

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coming from

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more of like the film world.

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Like just,

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we were used to working behind a camera.

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It's different,

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but just seeing the color that he has

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in his art,

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we were like that light he uses.

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It was really beautiful.

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It is very different from what you can

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see with your eye and what you can

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put down on paper and the way it

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can be blended and the way it's

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you can texture color on paper versus how

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you see it with your eye behind a

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camera.

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Yeah.

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So I really,

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that was one of the big things when

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I was reading through Shock Headed Peter

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was the tones and the colors and how

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it could be bright, but dark.

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And with Peter himself in the book, like,

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yeah, he's this dark, you know,

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horrified looking person.

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But just that perfect pop of color with

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the eyes and the teeth and that kind

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of stuff.

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I don't want to be scared of him,

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but he's kind of scary.

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But at the same time, it's...

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You want to kind of cheer for the

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guy a little bit too,

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I want to say,

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because you see what he's trying to do.

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He's just got a really weird way of

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going about doing what he does.

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Totally.

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We've always pitched this as it's kind of

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like Willy Wonka meets Freddy Krueger.

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Yes.

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Or, you know,

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fucked up fairy godmother type of

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character.

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And that was kind of, you know,

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our intention yeah like this deranged

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fairy godmother comes to town and helps

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out this uh you know young teenage girl

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who's kind of going through a really rough

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time so um so that's absolutely in the

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whole town not just her i mean she's

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getting it like from both sides from home

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with everything going on but then that

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town is just freaking horrible like that

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that's like some

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Halloween Town in A Nightmare Before

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Christmas.

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Yes.

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I was like, geez,

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these people are just cruel.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And that was kind of the point.

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And then the girl Ruby,

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the girl with the literal broken heart,

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is in the midst of it,

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just getting trashed on left and right.

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Yeah, and that's our other protagonists.

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They're shock-headed Peter and Ruby.

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Yeah.

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So let's dive into y'all a little bit

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because we got really carried away there.

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Let's touch on y'all a little bit.

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Let's introduce y'all to everybody.

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Y'all are the names behind this wonderful

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book that I hope everybody will support.

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So Ethan, you done Empire?

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Yes,

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I was an editor on the show for

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Fox.

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Ordinary Joe.

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I did the pilot, yes.

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And you've done feature films like Every

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Day and Aristotle.

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And Dante Discovered the Secrets of the

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Universe.

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Aristotle and Dante Discovered.

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Yeah,

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that was an indie film that came out

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a year and a half ago,

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two years ago.

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I was in the capacity as film editor

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on all of those.

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We write and direct a lot of our

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stuff, smaller stuff,

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shorts or web series.

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Indie, more indie.

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Indie stuff that we can do.

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Yeah,

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I had been or have been a union

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film editor for about ten plus years,

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working all those things.

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And most recently,

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I just helped to produce a horror feature

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film,

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which is going to be coming out later

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this year called In Our Blood.

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That was my next one.

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Yeah.

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I beat you to it.

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I love it.

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Keep going.

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So, yeah, I'm excited about that as well.

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So will that be a theatrical release on

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that or –

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yeah i can't talk too much about it

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let's not dig in too deep i've seen

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it on there i'm like i've not heard

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of this and i gotta we have another

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podcast here on the dfpn called cj loves

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horror i think is what he calls it

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and he does he focuses on a one

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hundred percent horror so don't be

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surprised if he sees your movie and writes

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a review on it

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Oh, no.

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We premiered at Fantasia Film Festival

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last year, and it's been doing the rounds.

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It got picked up by Utopia Distribution,

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and they're going to be releasing it

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supposedly a trailer is going to drop

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really soon and then i could probably talk

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more about it okay um i can say

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it's uh you know a really great director

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on board um and uh yeah i mean

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there's information about it online um but

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until things start pouring out from utah

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absolutely i don't want you to get in

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trouble and jessica you're also a

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screenwriter and creator

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And I'm going to try to pronounce this.

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Wago de los Yaves.

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Pretty good, pretty good, yeah.

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Yeah,

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so I'm- High school Spanish paid off.

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Yeah, it totally did.

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Yeah, as Ethan was saying, we collaborate,

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we write and direct together,

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but we've also worked on other projects,

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like I work for hires,

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and I worked on two seasons.

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I'm fully bilingual.

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I was born in Mexico City,

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was raised in the States,

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um and yeah i've worked on a few

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uh series like tv scripted narratives uh

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for mexican productions

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So you have worked with a writer that

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I just discovered,

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I think it was either late last year

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or early this year,

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named Clay McLeod Chapman.

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Oh, yes.

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Yes.

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He wrote a comic book earlier this year

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or late last year called Seance in the

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Asylum.

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That was absolutely brilliant.

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Brilliant.

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And that's how I discovered him.

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And since I've read a few of his

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books, his horror books,

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I know one of his books is currently

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right now being made into a movie as

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well.

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Yeah.

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But how is that working with him?

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He seems like he's just like an off

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the wall, fun type of guy.

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Well, so the way we worked with him,

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we actually had permission to adapt a

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short story of his from Rest Area,

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from his collection of short stories

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called Rest Area, into a short film.

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So we...

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did not get to meet in person but

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we you know exchanged info we communicated

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but very very nice cool person so

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extremely talented and his work is amazing

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and rest area was just amazing and a

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friend of ours was building this um it

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was kind of a festival based around um

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he did like a kind of like a

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multi um media media yeah festival

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centered around

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And a lot of Clay's work was involved.

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So there were theater pieces and art.

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And our contribution was the short film of

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The Pornhub Mermaid.

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And Clay was very hands off,

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very supportive if we had any questions.

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I'm not sure if he read the script

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beforehand.

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I think maybe we shared it.

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I think we shared the script with him.

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But he didn't really stand in the way.

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He's like, no, no,

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you guys just have at it.

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And he saw it afterwards.

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He was complimentary.

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You know, no, I think we did.

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We did finally meet him in person at

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a film screening.

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We ran into him randomly.

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OK, years ago,

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because this was when we did Poor Man's

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Mermaid.

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That was like twenty sixteen or something.

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It was a while.

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He was amazing.

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And his work is really, really.

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I just seen it was like a little

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blurb about it.

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And I was just like because I had

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just discovered him.

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So I was just like,

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that's really cool that she got to.

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Not necessarily work with him,

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but she got to adapt one of his

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stories into a piece of film.

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I thought that was probably the coolest

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thing ever,

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only because I follow him on Instagram,

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and the guy just seems like...

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He's from my area.

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He's from here on the East Coast.

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Oh, wow.

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So it was one of those where I

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kept trying to get up.

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Like he does book signings locally in

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Richmond.

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And I was just like, hey,

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do I take off work to go up

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there?

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One of these days I'm going to take

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off work next time he does a signing

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and just have to go and meet him

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and get his autograph.

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He writes really cool horror films,

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and I know he's in a lot of

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horror books,

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and he's in a lot of the comic

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circles.

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He did have one movie adapted by Elijah

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Wood's company called The Sun, I think.

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Okay, I didn't know that.

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I'll shut that one out, too.

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Yeah, I think the book.

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but yeah you should check out poor man's

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mermaid is on our site yeah you can

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stream it and won uh an award at

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houston international okay yeah i seen it

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on there i didn't i didn't watch it

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as i was preparing for all this because

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you were my fourth interview this month oh

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wow this has been my busiest craziest

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month i've ever had and it's been so

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cool

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So I've been like on top of everything

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and just was like,

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this is this is how it always should

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be.

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This is this is what I want to

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do.

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Nice.

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Well, I see this from Kelvin down here.

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You said you'll have his attention.

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Kelvin's actually the guy who made my

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intro, who made my swing.

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I see the graphic behind us.

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And he's been my brother for like twenty

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years.

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So tip of the hat.

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Yeah.

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Nice to see you.

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But let's keep going.

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So how did your Hollywood background

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influence the way you structured and paced

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Shock Headed Peter into like three books

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instead of just one giant like, you know,

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I'm going to throw you, you know,

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three hundred pages of graphic novels.

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You split it into three.

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So how did all that like you take

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one side of it and bring it over

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to the other side?

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When we started,

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we first intended to make a TV series.

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And then the world,

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because it's a fantasy horror,

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was so large, people were like, maybe.

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And then the pandemic hit, too.

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So people were saying,

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maybe we should make this into a graphic

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novel.

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So that was kind of the idea.

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Which we resisted a lot,

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because we didn't have the knowledge for

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the process.

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And it was just seemed overwhelming.

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And it was just, you know,

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we resisted a bit.

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Yeah.

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Cause we have a lot of respect for

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it too.

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You know, we, we weren't like, Oh,

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we'll just come in and do this.

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We were like, okay,

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we're going to have to study up and

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like figure it out and,

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and really see because it's, it's a,

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it's a lot, you know, to take on.

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I will say though,

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it would have been an amazing,

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amazing animated film.

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It still could be, you know,

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we have plans for the property.

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So, I mean,

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well not to delve into that right now,

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but the process,

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So we actually had,

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you have to kind of fight against that

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sort of idea of cinematic storytelling a

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little bit.

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The pacing that you would put into a

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script or as a director is not,

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it doesn't translate in the same way.

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You have to get the same result that

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you're thinking,

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maybe when someone's watching a movie

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versus reading a comic book,

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you have to I feel or we feel

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you have to do different techniques to get

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to it.

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And it was a lot of trial and

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error.

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A lot of we were cautioned to think

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about, you know,

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your page turns with panels.

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And the more we started talking about it,

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the more we actually realized there's a

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lot of similarities with film editing and

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paneling out the script of comic book.

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And so we kind of leaned into that

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strength a little bit.

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And also just like really focusing, right?

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Because you're, you know, on a script,

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you have these large dialogue scenes and

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all these descriptions.

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And so obviously the description could be

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there for our artists to have that

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communication to really set up that world.

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But, you know,

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you don't have these long dialogue scenes.

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So it was very much about just like,

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What is the very important meat of it

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that we need that's also still compelling,

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that drives the story forward?

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You hit emotional moments.

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So in that way, too,

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it kind of helps you become a better

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storyteller because you're like, OK,

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I really have to think what's what's the

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grain of it that I really need and

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make it good.

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Yeah.

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And another thing that we have to kind

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of deal with is if you notice,

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so I think as filmmakers,

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for us personally,

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we're not big voiceover people.

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We're not big narration people.

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And there is a lot of that in

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comics and graphic novels,

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and it works very, very well.

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But if you notice,

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we don't do a lot of that in

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this book.

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We're very focused on the action more of

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the characters and leading the scene.

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you'll have to catch up,

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find out as they do.

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That was another thing that we struggled

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with at first,

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whether or not we should put that in

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and write some narration or not.

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No, the way y'all did it,

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I really like because a lot of what

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Joe did helps move your words along the

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page.

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Yeah.

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So that really helped y'all in not having

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to put in those thought bubbles or those

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like explanation cells that you often see

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sometimes.

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And did he also do y'all's lettering as

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well?

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He did.

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Yeah, he did everything.

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That's awesome.

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Perfect,

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because the way the bubbles and everything

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are laid out together,

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he did such a phenomenal job.

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And I can't imagine, like being, you know,

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you have scripts in Hollywood.

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You know, you probably want,

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did y'all write a short story on this

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first and then start chopping it up?

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Like, or did y'all just go in like,

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like kind of storyboarding it?

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um yeah they're very detailed scripts very

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very um are you talking about before the

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script for the graphic novel yes yeah i

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didn't know if y'all had like wrote out

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like kind of the story then we were

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like this is really long let us split

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it into three parts and then you know

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where you start lining through you're like

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okay this is going to be too much

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for the story so let me cross it

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out

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It actually started out as a TV pilot.

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Oh, cool.

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And we were trying to pitch it around.

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This was like our Bible for the show.

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Oh, nice.

00:22:05.115 --> 00:22:07.617
Look at that.

00:22:07.837 --> 00:22:10.380
So we kind of delved into the graphic

00:22:10.420 --> 00:22:13.142
novel world before we even realized it.

00:22:13.382 --> 00:22:14.461
Look at that.

00:22:14.762 --> 00:22:17.403
Who did that right there?

00:22:17.884 --> 00:22:20.226
I do a lot of graphic design collage

00:22:20.266 --> 00:22:20.625
works.

00:22:20.645 --> 00:22:21.507
That's really cool.

00:22:21.527 --> 00:22:22.287
That's almost like...

00:22:24.644 --> 00:22:26.626
new movie the movie with kevin bacon phone

00:22:26.666 --> 00:22:30.170
booth oh okay like the way the eyes

00:22:30.269 --> 00:22:32.291
are and you know how in the new

00:22:32.451 --> 00:22:34.353
the new um trailer that just come out

00:22:34.373 --> 00:22:35.775
where you just get the eyes in the

00:22:35.835 --> 00:22:37.957
face the mask comes out in the dark

00:22:38.596 --> 00:22:40.077
that's what i immediately thought i was

00:22:40.178 --> 00:22:40.999
like oh that is so cool so yeah

00:22:41.019 --> 00:22:44.642
we kind of we started out with that

00:22:45.323 --> 00:22:47.605
um and then it kind of you know

00:22:47.825 --> 00:22:49.445
we kind of took that as our basis

00:22:49.465 --> 00:22:50.727
and transitioned that into

00:22:51.876 --> 00:22:54.462
We re-paneled the whole thing and wrote,

00:22:55.104 --> 00:22:55.704
essentially,

00:22:55.724 --> 00:22:57.650
we took our pilot for part one and

00:22:57.710 --> 00:22:59.032
tried to translate it

00:22:59.886 --> 00:23:02.969
into uh part one sixty pages of part

00:23:03.169 --> 00:23:04.851
one yeah because that sets up the whole

00:23:04.911 --> 00:23:07.372
world and introduces all the characters so

00:23:07.613 --> 00:23:10.134
so it's it's a lot of you know

00:23:10.193 --> 00:23:13.016
world building yeah i do have one question

00:23:13.036 --> 00:23:14.798
for y'all you know i may have missed

00:23:14.837 --> 00:23:16.318
it or it may be in this you

00:23:16.338 --> 00:23:19.280
know in the entire thing of um book

00:23:19.320 --> 00:23:21.541
two i think it might have been in

00:23:21.561 --> 00:23:23.743
the beginning of book one as well the

00:23:24.044 --> 00:23:24.744
the young boy

00:23:26.681 --> 00:23:28.342
Where he's like, oh, that's him.

00:23:28.461 --> 00:23:29.962
And he starts following him.

00:23:29.982 --> 00:23:32.503
Is that Ruby's dad?

00:23:33.023 --> 00:23:34.785
Or is that somebody completely different?

00:23:34.805 --> 00:23:36.205
Because we don't see that boy no more.

00:23:36.365 --> 00:23:37.307
He just kind of like...

00:23:38.114 --> 00:23:39.294
I don't know if that was just used

00:23:39.314 --> 00:23:41.015
to tell a quick thing of him.

00:23:41.595 --> 00:23:43.655
He's at the beginning of part two.

00:23:44.036 --> 00:23:44.435
Yes.

00:23:44.455 --> 00:23:45.076
As well.

00:23:45.997 --> 00:23:49.598
And he will come in in flashbacks

00:23:50.159 --> 00:23:51.499
throughout part two.

00:23:51.699 --> 00:23:54.440
And you will eventually see the tie-in.

00:23:54.579 --> 00:23:57.781
Yeah, exactly.

00:23:57.961 --> 00:23:58.201
Perfect.

00:23:58.862 --> 00:24:00.903
In a different time.

00:24:01.202 --> 00:24:03.084
That's a little bit different.

00:24:03.703 --> 00:24:05.244
you know dropping it here and there and

00:24:05.384 --> 00:24:07.105
it'll eventually merge in with the main

00:24:07.125 --> 00:24:09.767
perfect yeah perfect because i was reading

00:24:09.787 --> 00:24:11.406
part two the preview and i was just

00:24:11.446 --> 00:24:14.568
like i hope this is tying into something

00:24:14.608 --> 00:24:18.089
later on because like this it feels like

00:24:18.130 --> 00:24:19.431
it's in the world but it feels like

00:24:19.451 --> 00:24:21.432
it's not in the present time yeah it

00:24:21.451 --> 00:24:23.853
feels like it's from before so all right

00:24:23.873 --> 00:24:26.693
cool yeah yeah yeah no it definitely will

00:24:26.733 --> 00:24:29.075
have a payoff for sure uh but we're

00:24:29.095 --> 00:24:31.895
kind of like stringing it along for now

00:24:32.817 --> 00:24:33.057
yeah

00:24:34.385 --> 00:24:37.388
So y'all being a married couple,

00:24:38.049 --> 00:24:40.491
how does that the collaborative process

00:24:40.531 --> 00:24:42.594
with y'all go work for this?

00:24:43.775 --> 00:24:46.778
Are y'all pretty much like same page when

00:24:46.837 --> 00:24:48.078
it comes to this kind of stuff?

00:24:48.138 --> 00:24:49.861
Or were there like competing ideas on

00:24:49.921 --> 00:24:50.661
certain things?

00:24:50.682 --> 00:24:52.903
Because it's really I'm not you're the

00:24:52.943 --> 00:24:56.507
first couple I've had on the podcast that

00:24:56.606 --> 00:24:58.848
actually, you know, read comic books.

00:24:58.868 --> 00:24:59.470
And that's really cool.

00:25:00.511 --> 00:25:02.614
I think any team is gonna, you know,

00:25:03.454 --> 00:25:05.297
we'll vibe on certain things and then

00:25:05.336 --> 00:25:07.179
we'll have differing views on other

00:25:07.199 --> 00:25:07.499
things.

00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:08.480
And I think that's kind of,

00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:11.842
what then you get the best of eventually.

00:25:12.902 --> 00:25:15.144
So, you know, naturally,

00:25:15.183 --> 00:25:17.445
we're going to like disagree on certain

00:25:17.486 --> 00:25:19.126
plot points or the way certain things are

00:25:19.146 --> 00:25:21.127
written or the way certain things come

00:25:21.288 --> 00:25:21.508
off.

00:25:21.788 --> 00:25:23.690
And we each bring a different point of

00:25:23.730 --> 00:25:24.029
view.

00:25:24.490 --> 00:25:26.531
And then sometimes it's just kind of like,

00:25:26.672 --> 00:25:26.991
OK,

00:25:27.412 --> 00:25:28.712
I'm going to state my case why I

00:25:28.752 --> 00:25:29.354
think this works.

00:25:29.374 --> 00:25:30.493
And she can have to state her case

00:25:30.513 --> 00:25:31.575
why she thinks this works.

00:25:31.934 --> 00:25:33.355
And then at one point,

00:25:33.415 --> 00:25:34.217
one of us is going to be like,

00:25:34.457 --> 00:25:35.278
oh, yeah, you're right.

00:25:35.337 --> 00:25:35.938
That's that.

00:25:36.038 --> 00:25:36.719
Yeah, that's better.

00:25:37.159 --> 00:25:37.900
That's awesome.

00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:38.882
Always building.

00:25:39.082 --> 00:25:39.962
But yeah, obviously,

00:25:40.324 --> 00:25:41.885
I feel like we are on the same

00:25:41.925 --> 00:25:44.089
wavelength because to be able to create

00:25:44.130 --> 00:25:44.430
something,

00:25:44.450 --> 00:25:44.990
you have to

00:25:45.942 --> 00:25:48.462
you know be on the same um on

00:25:48.502 --> 00:25:51.384
the same like page with it uh but

00:25:51.545 --> 00:25:54.186
exactly that I think that when we do

00:25:54.446 --> 00:25:56.428
challenge something that the other one

00:25:56.488 --> 00:25:59.288
comes comes up with it's only to to

00:25:59.328 --> 00:26:02.330
make it better or to really make sure

00:26:02.490 --> 00:26:05.573
it fits exactly and and like it's just

00:26:06.012 --> 00:26:08.815
purposeful and and yeah so it's always to

00:26:09.394 --> 00:26:11.276
to improve but i think most of the

00:26:11.296 --> 00:26:14.877
time um with this project i feel that

00:26:15.338 --> 00:26:17.980
it's been pretty pretty smooth there's

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.521
just points that that were you know we're

00:26:20.541 --> 00:26:22.702
like oh wait hold on maybe we can

00:26:22.742 --> 00:26:24.664
go deeper with this or we can go

00:26:24.744 --> 00:26:27.125
scarier with this or once we set up

00:26:27.145 --> 00:26:28.807
the premise i think we were pretty much

00:26:28.846 --> 00:26:31.189
in agreement on how everything was going

00:26:31.288 --> 00:26:32.730
we knew a b and c

00:26:33.682 --> 00:26:35.663
but then sometimes little things pop in

00:26:35.703 --> 00:26:36.265
here and there,

00:26:36.325 --> 00:26:40.047
little side characters pop in.

00:26:40.067 --> 00:26:41.788
There's a really cool chapter coming up

00:26:41.827 --> 00:26:44.730
that's all another side character,

00:26:44.750 --> 00:26:45.911
which I'm really excited about.

00:26:47.592 --> 00:26:49.893
Stuff like that pops up,

00:26:50.053 --> 00:26:51.713
and we discovered that along the way.

00:26:51.773 --> 00:26:52.694
But ultimately,

00:26:52.734 --> 00:26:54.135
I think we're pretty much in agreement.

00:26:55.476 --> 00:26:58.919
Ruby, Peter, we know what's happening.

00:26:58.959 --> 00:26:59.159
Go.

00:26:59.699 --> 00:27:01.259
but anything like there's always sorry

00:27:01.361 --> 00:27:02.882
just there's always a purpose for it

00:27:02.922 --> 00:27:05.124
that's the thing like if if something like

00:27:05.144 --> 00:27:06.765
a cool idea it's like well okay how

00:27:06.805 --> 00:27:08.207
does that fit and is it a purse

00:27:08.487 --> 00:27:10.228
a purpose for it instead of just like

00:27:10.248 --> 00:27:12.349
oh this is cool yeah yeah so i

00:27:12.390 --> 00:27:14.592
did notice in the preview for book two

00:27:14.652 --> 00:27:16.074
is y'all did start going a little bit

00:27:16.114 --> 00:27:19.355
more into uh ruby's tormentors the other

00:27:19.415 --> 00:27:20.577
children in the town

00:27:21.397 --> 00:27:22.679
so i thought that was really cool when

00:27:22.719 --> 00:27:24.640
you see ruby going to visit the one

00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:26.801
shopkeeper and that's actually the girl

00:27:27.321 --> 00:27:31.523
tormentor's dad yeah her dad kind of puts

00:27:31.584 --> 00:27:34.786
ruby's family in this very high light

00:27:34.806 --> 00:27:36.467
whereas his own daughter he's just like

00:27:37.748 --> 00:27:39.669
this kid's a lost cause over here she's

00:27:39.749 --> 00:27:42.171
you know causing all kinds of hell yeah

00:27:42.191 --> 00:27:46.032
yeah yeah i mean yeah we get we

00:27:46.073 --> 00:27:49.234
we're very much uh character driven in all

00:27:49.255 --> 00:27:50.296
of our stuff even though we

00:27:50.814 --> 00:27:53.974
built this world and we feel is some

00:27:54.015 --> 00:27:56.675
pretty immersive we always have to go back

00:27:56.715 --> 00:27:58.457
to it's always character first emotion

00:27:58.517 --> 00:28:01.317
first because without that nothing's gonna

00:28:01.357 --> 00:28:04.159
matter yeah the layers and the complexity

00:28:04.199 --> 00:28:06.079
you know we want the characters to be

00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:08.359
three-dimensional you know even though it

00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.280
does give the reader the buy-in to the

00:28:11.340 --> 00:28:13.561
book into the characters because i i know

00:28:13.582 --> 00:28:15.823
for me i'm i'm cheering for for ruby

00:28:15.883 --> 00:28:17.943
over here but i'm also like

00:28:18.644 --> 00:28:20.246
peter has like a hundred percent of my

00:28:20.707 --> 00:28:23.789
attention and why his real intentions are

00:28:23.910 --> 00:28:26.472
with ruby and this town and what what

00:28:26.492 --> 00:28:28.395
he actually is you know what i'm saying

00:28:29.237 --> 00:28:30.939
yeah kind of we know what he he

00:28:31.098 --> 00:28:33.441
is per se but you know y'all are

00:28:33.642 --> 00:28:34.863
y'all understand i mean it's y'all's yeah

00:28:34.883 --> 00:28:35.884
y'all staying

00:28:36.664 --> 00:28:37.625
No, but it's great.

00:28:37.704 --> 00:28:39.405
It's great that that's what you're

00:28:39.486 --> 00:28:40.646
experiencing with it.

00:28:40.767 --> 00:28:42.547
And it's great to hear because that's

00:28:42.727 --> 00:28:45.008
obviously like our intention with it.

00:28:45.048 --> 00:28:46.148
So it's cool that, you know,

00:28:46.348 --> 00:28:48.409
it comes across and it's like compelling

00:28:48.429 --> 00:28:49.569
to you.

00:28:50.029 --> 00:28:50.970
No, it's spot on.

00:28:51.530 --> 00:28:56.613
I think anybody who enjoys like the older

00:28:56.633 --> 00:28:56.992
like...

00:28:59.707 --> 00:29:01.788
like a Charlie Brown's Christmas or

00:29:02.028 --> 00:29:05.087
Charlie Brown Halloween or any of the

00:29:05.127 --> 00:29:06.388
Miyazaki stuff.

00:29:07.888 --> 00:29:09.509
The Nightmare Before Christmas.

00:29:10.190 --> 00:29:14.090
Anybody who enjoys that nineties early two

00:29:14.131 --> 00:29:16.392
thousand ish like animated stuff.

00:29:16.451 --> 00:29:17.811
I think they will really love.

00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.859
what y'all are doing with this book so

00:29:21.520 --> 00:29:23.701
yeah we kind of pitched this as we

00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:26.020
say labyrinth meets a nightmare on elm

00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:29.442
street street by way of hayami azaki so

00:29:29.501 --> 00:29:31.542
it's like yeah if studio ghibli did kind

00:29:31.563 --> 00:29:32.863
of like a horror type i mean i

00:29:32.883 --> 00:29:34.682
guess you could argue that maybe spirited

00:29:34.722 --> 00:29:36.364
away is a horror let's just say spirit

00:29:36.423 --> 00:29:39.763
in the way yeah definitely yeah it has

00:29:39.824 --> 00:29:43.025
a dark you know theme throughout it he's

00:29:43.045 --> 00:29:44.464
got a little bit of a dark theme

00:29:44.505 --> 00:29:47.086
throughout his his books but they don't

00:29:47.125 --> 00:29:47.425
really

00:29:48.898 --> 00:29:49.278
they're not,

00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:50.861
what's the word I'm looking for?

00:29:50.922 --> 00:29:52.763
Um,

00:29:52.784 --> 00:29:54.786
you have to be really paying attention to

00:29:54.846 --> 00:29:54.967
it.

00:29:55.086 --> 00:29:55.907
You know what I'm saying?

00:29:56.608 --> 00:29:56.989
Yeah.

00:29:57.009 --> 00:29:58.089
The pickup, the darker,

00:29:58.211 --> 00:29:59.972
subtle undertones that he carries with his

00:30:00.012 --> 00:30:00.512
stories.

00:30:00.814 --> 00:30:01.535
Totally.

00:30:01.555 --> 00:30:02.875
So yeah.

00:30:02.895 --> 00:30:03.917
And, um,

00:30:05.053 --> 00:30:06.874
I do think we will get a little

00:30:06.933 --> 00:30:09.074
darker as we move forward.

00:30:09.115 --> 00:30:12.096
There is some pretty distraught things

00:30:12.135 --> 00:30:12.776
that happen.

00:30:13.296 --> 00:30:14.736
I mean, in the preview for part two,

00:30:14.796 --> 00:30:18.218
there's some pretty graphic stuff in the

00:30:18.258 --> 00:30:19.057
preview for it.

00:30:19.097 --> 00:30:21.378
So if that's the direction it's going and

00:30:21.398 --> 00:30:24.319
what Peter's plans are, I'm like, perfect.

00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:25.660
This town deserves everything they're

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:26.000
getting.

00:30:27.260 --> 00:30:27.480
Yeah,

00:30:27.500 --> 00:30:29.881
that's the direction things are going.

00:30:30.442 --> 00:30:33.843
It's a lot of like, you know, we...

00:30:34.772 --> 00:30:37.814
took inspiration from the source material,

00:30:38.054 --> 00:30:41.016
this German book called Der Struwelpeter,

00:30:41.215 --> 00:30:44.196
a nineteenth century German children's

00:30:44.237 --> 00:30:44.537
book,

00:30:44.876 --> 00:30:48.098
like one or two page cautionary tales

00:30:48.159 --> 00:30:50.900
about behavior, children's behavior.

00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:52.019
Don't suck your thumb,

00:30:52.059 --> 00:30:53.221
otherwise someone's going to come and chop

00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:53.601
it off.

00:30:54.320 --> 00:30:55.201
Don't hit the dog,

00:30:55.261 --> 00:30:57.382
otherwise your body parts are going to

00:30:57.402 --> 00:30:57.843
fall off.

00:30:58.903 --> 00:30:59.742
Brilliant.

00:30:59.782 --> 00:31:02.243
These punishments to so to teach.

00:31:02.324 --> 00:31:02.584
Right.

00:31:02.743 --> 00:31:05.345
And there is a character called Shockhead

00:31:05.365 --> 00:31:07.444
Peter in one of those stories about,

00:31:07.845 --> 00:31:08.085
you know,

00:31:08.565 --> 00:31:10.026
a boy who doesn't take care of himself.

00:31:10.105 --> 00:31:12.066
And we kind of plucked that out,

00:31:12.365 --> 00:31:14.586
created a mythology around that character

00:31:15.007 --> 00:31:16.827
and put him into this other universe.

00:31:16.847 --> 00:31:17.607
Yeah.

00:31:17.667 --> 00:31:19.307
But with the whole theme of the

00:31:19.347 --> 00:31:21.509
cautionary, you know, behavior,

00:31:21.648 --> 00:31:22.209
punishment

00:31:22.721 --> 00:31:25.544
And then we gave him a code and

00:31:25.703 --> 00:31:26.704
then we let him loose.

00:31:26.724 --> 00:31:30.107
So there's a whole mythology that we put

00:31:30.208 --> 00:31:30.968
around this thing.

00:31:30.988 --> 00:31:31.608
It's brilliant.

00:31:31.769 --> 00:31:32.970
I mean,

00:31:32.990 --> 00:31:35.592
just being able to pull like an obscure

00:31:35.872 --> 00:31:38.653
character from German folklore from the

00:31:38.693 --> 00:31:41.497
nineteenth century and put him into this

00:31:41.817 --> 00:31:42.336
beautiful,

00:31:42.477 --> 00:31:44.519
brilliant animated world that y'all have

00:31:44.558 --> 00:31:48.402
created for him and just, hey,

00:31:48.422 --> 00:31:49.923
go do your thing, dude.

00:31:49.982 --> 00:31:51.545
And then you give him a town where

00:31:52.611 --> 00:31:54.031
every kid in this town needs a belt

00:31:54.071 --> 00:31:54.752
across their butt.

00:31:55.053 --> 00:31:56.574
If you're from the eighties and nineties,

00:31:56.614 --> 00:31:57.595
you'd get that reference.

00:31:57.634 --> 00:31:58.996
I know that's not allowed today,

00:31:59.056 --> 00:32:01.038
but my day,

00:32:03.140 --> 00:32:05.261
we may have got a switch or a

00:32:05.321 --> 00:32:06.962
chancla or something like that.

00:32:08.203 --> 00:32:08.503
Yeah.

00:32:08.523 --> 00:32:11.006
And, and I mean, but yeah,

00:32:11.026 --> 00:32:12.448
they're pretty horrible people.

00:32:12.567 --> 00:32:15.430
And it is about the nature of the

00:32:15.509 --> 00:32:18.232
consequences of your actions, right?

00:32:18.613 --> 00:32:19.473
What, what,

00:32:20.269 --> 00:32:20.509
you know,

00:32:21.411 --> 00:32:23.531
and how do you live with the consequences

00:32:23.592 --> 00:32:24.471
of those actions?

00:32:24.511 --> 00:32:26.972
That's a lot of what we're writing about

00:32:27.032 --> 00:32:29.233
in the case of Ruby then becomes an

00:32:29.314 --> 00:32:32.935
idea of morality and where is your

00:32:32.996 --> 00:32:34.175
morality taking you?

00:32:34.797 --> 00:32:36.136
Yeah, I mean, exactly.

00:32:36.557 --> 00:32:39.058
It's all of those things and just making

00:32:39.179 --> 00:32:41.579
it also fun,

00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.461
but the whole theme of like the

00:32:43.500 --> 00:32:46.201
punishments and consequences, yeah.

00:32:46.241 --> 00:32:48.242
Consequences for your actions.

00:32:49.587 --> 00:32:50.108
I like it.

00:32:50.449 --> 00:32:51.770
So I got to ask,

00:32:52.111 --> 00:32:54.473
how are y'all balancing everything that

00:32:54.493 --> 00:32:57.897
y'all have going on right now with also

00:32:57.958 --> 00:33:00.740
having Shockhead at Peter book two on the

00:33:00.780 --> 00:33:02.182
cuffs of luncheon?

00:33:03.314 --> 00:33:04.654
I mean,

00:33:04.954 --> 00:33:06.516
y'all have your hands on a lot of

00:33:06.556 --> 00:33:07.396
stuff, it seems.

00:33:07.836 --> 00:33:08.416
And oh, by the way,

00:33:08.436 --> 00:33:09.978
we're about to start a Kickstarter,

00:33:09.999 --> 00:33:12.200
which is Thirty Days of Madness.

00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:13.060
Yeah.

00:33:13.121 --> 00:33:13.921
It's already started.

00:33:14.260 --> 00:33:14.501
Yeah.

00:33:14.622 --> 00:33:16.603
And like building up to it is,

00:33:16.643 --> 00:33:16.962
you know,

00:33:16.982 --> 00:33:18.324
just trying to get the word out.

00:33:18.344 --> 00:33:19.505
So thanks for having us on.

00:33:19.525 --> 00:33:20.285
Thank you.

00:33:20.404 --> 00:33:20.865
Yeah.

00:33:21.105 --> 00:33:24.347
And it's just about getting it out there.

00:33:24.407 --> 00:33:29.351
So, yeah, I guess less sleep, you know,

00:33:29.451 --> 00:33:31.593
being just busy and trying,

00:33:31.932 --> 00:33:33.094
but trying just to

00:33:33.433 --> 00:33:35.556
get it out there and get things done

00:33:35.675 --> 00:33:39.058
it yeah there's a lot of marketing

00:33:39.199 --> 00:33:42.040
self-promoting yeah reaching out to people

00:33:42.080 --> 00:33:44.022
such as yourself y'all have done a really

00:33:44.182 --> 00:33:47.224
really good job of this oh thank you

00:33:47.265 --> 00:33:51.189
like i've let me give me just two

00:33:51.249 --> 00:33:59.796
seconds yeah i've done like almost twenty

00:33:59.915 --> 00:34:01.096
interviews this year

00:34:02.721 --> 00:34:07.542
and um y'all for the most part i

00:34:07.643 --> 00:34:09.483
will say for the actually no let me

00:34:09.503 --> 00:34:12.505
take that back almost every single person

00:34:12.565 --> 00:34:14.664
i've interviewed has got that part of the

00:34:14.945 --> 00:34:17.626
the kickstarter thing nailed down to a t

00:34:18.106 --> 00:34:19.967
the marketing in yourself getting the book

00:34:20.027 --> 00:34:22.788
out there for people coming on podcasts

00:34:22.827 --> 00:34:23.907
and doing that kind of stuff

00:34:25.672 --> 00:34:27.693
y'all are doing a phenomenal phenomenal

00:34:27.733 --> 00:34:29.456
job of doing that pre-game stuff that

00:34:29.476 --> 00:34:32.358
y'all should be doing as a you know

00:34:32.478 --> 00:34:34.300
as a creator getting ready to kick off

00:34:34.340 --> 00:34:37.041
a kickstarter thank you so kudos to y'all

00:34:37.483 --> 00:34:41.186
and i gotta literally like ben lacy this

00:34:41.226 --> 00:34:45.510
year twice uh had bobby campbell on here

00:34:46.431 --> 00:34:48.853
with his tales of the illuminatis bruno

00:34:48.893 --> 00:34:49.494
catarino

00:34:51.286 --> 00:34:52.206
He's another guy.

00:34:52.246 --> 00:34:54.768
He does a lot of really good sci-fi

00:34:54.829 --> 00:34:56.550
horror anthology type of things.

00:34:57.269 --> 00:34:58.911
I've had him on here three times.

00:34:59.851 --> 00:35:02.554
I got to interview the CEO of VV

00:35:02.793 --> 00:35:04.355
Collectibles, Dan Carruthers,

00:35:05.056 --> 00:35:06.315
who's in New Zealand, by the way.

00:35:06.335 --> 00:35:07.476
Oh, wow.

00:35:07.496 --> 00:35:09.018
Crazy time frame on that interview.

00:35:09.038 --> 00:35:11.139
Yeah, right?

00:35:11.380 --> 00:35:13.101
Duke Electric, who's a Canadian.

00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.561
He has a Kickstarter called Greg that's

00:35:15.621 --> 00:35:16.262
out right now.

00:35:16.663 --> 00:35:17.224
There's y'all.

00:35:18.527 --> 00:35:22.871
I interviewed Nicholas Keaton-Casborough,

00:35:23.452 --> 00:35:24.974
who does Vidalirium.

00:35:25.014 --> 00:35:26.675
It's a book that he turned into a

00:35:26.735 --> 00:35:27.436
comic book.

00:35:27.876 --> 00:35:29.737
And I also interviewed his artist,

00:35:29.777 --> 00:35:32.719
Francisco Nilo, and then Mike Scrace,

00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:34.961
who is a blind comic creator from the

00:35:35.061 --> 00:35:35.161
UK.

00:35:35.181 --> 00:35:35.461
Oh, wow.

00:35:36.182 --> 00:35:40.146
So these people have all been successful

00:35:40.166 --> 00:35:41.047
in their kit starters,

00:35:41.186 --> 00:35:43.068
and they've been successful because of the

00:35:43.088 --> 00:35:44.650
way they market themselves,

00:35:44.750 --> 00:35:46.190
the way y'all are doing right now.

00:35:46.291 --> 00:35:46.530
So...

00:35:47.632 --> 00:35:49.434
and yeah Lord this you're not Ricky's at

00:35:49.454 --> 00:35:51.115
this anymore this is your second time

00:35:51.436 --> 00:35:54.099
doing a Kickstarter so that's actually

00:35:54.579 --> 00:35:57.342
what I've I've I'm most nervous about and

00:35:57.402 --> 00:35:58.963
actually some people have warned they're

00:35:58.983 --> 00:36:00.425
like you know the first time

00:36:00.952 --> 00:36:02.693
people come out and they're like okay

00:36:02.773 --> 00:36:07.175
we'll we'll support you the second time a

00:36:07.456 --> 00:36:09.036
good chunk of those people that might be

00:36:09.077 --> 00:36:10.998
like family or friends might be like again

00:36:11.297 --> 00:36:15.039
yeah really yeah we we hear the second

00:36:15.139 --> 00:36:17.541
one's the the hardest one so we're and

00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:19.581
and we didn't do ourselves any favors by

00:36:19.641 --> 00:36:21.242
deciding to make the second book a hundred

00:36:21.262 --> 00:36:24.083
and eight pages you know that's probably

00:36:24.123 --> 00:36:26.125
true but at the same time

00:36:27.590 --> 00:36:29.451
you could have just released one book with

00:36:29.490 --> 00:36:32.092
three hundred plus pages and it not have

00:36:32.512 --> 00:36:33.931
got off the ground at all you know

00:36:33.952 --> 00:36:35.871
what i'm saying so y'all are doing it

00:36:35.992 --> 00:36:39.452
the correct way because i know comic book

00:36:39.472 --> 00:36:41.753
series right now that were marketed as

00:36:41.793 --> 00:36:44.693
both a comic book and a like a

00:36:44.793 --> 00:36:47.193
full-up you know graphic novel at the same

00:36:47.253 --> 00:36:48.775
time where you could just buy the graphic

00:36:48.835 --> 00:36:53.094
novel and be done yeah um but the

00:36:53.114 --> 00:36:54.956
graphic novel itself was like a hundred

00:36:55.356 --> 00:36:56.275
something dollars

00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.342
yeah yeah for the full story but i

00:36:59.362 --> 00:37:01.244
could get the comic book for i think

00:37:01.264 --> 00:37:02.846
it's going to be five or six issues

00:37:02.905 --> 00:37:06.369
for five ninety nine at each yeah and

00:37:06.389 --> 00:37:09.231
coming way under the uh you know so

00:37:09.311 --> 00:37:10.672
i mean you think you gotta think you're

00:37:10.771 --> 00:37:13.594
printing it on glossy pages hardback what

00:37:13.635 --> 00:37:15.576
have you and the more stuff you add

00:37:15.615 --> 00:37:18.139
in there the higher that price gets plus

00:37:18.179 --> 00:37:19.719
whatever your publisher is going to take

00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.541
off the top for printing it for you

00:37:22.391 --> 00:37:25.233
So, yeah, it's time to keep that,

00:37:26.235 --> 00:37:26.594
you know,

00:37:26.894 --> 00:37:28.635
under consideration when we offer the

00:37:28.655 --> 00:37:28.956
book.

00:37:29.376 --> 00:37:31.838
They're all going to be really nice,

00:37:32.498 --> 00:37:33.960
perfect bound books.

00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:37.041
And we really, we're actually doing,

00:37:37.461 --> 00:37:40.264
we revised part one with a new cover

00:37:40.583 --> 00:37:44.427
and made some additions, revisions inside.

00:37:44.447 --> 00:37:44.867
Yeah,

00:37:44.887 --> 00:37:47.068
the revisions inside are not drastic.

00:37:47.108 --> 00:37:48.429
It's just some things that we thought

00:37:48.449 --> 00:37:50.050
would improve it slightly.

00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:51.771
Some dialogue in a panel or two.

00:37:52.311 --> 00:37:52.391
Um,

00:37:52.891 --> 00:37:55.253
but we really want to take that in

00:37:55.293 --> 00:37:56.074
consideration,

00:37:56.114 --> 00:37:58.476
like the pricing and trying to keeping it

00:37:58.795 --> 00:38:01.056
as, you know, as low as we can,

00:38:01.617 --> 00:38:01.677
uh,

00:38:01.697 --> 00:38:03.177
so people can enjoy it and get it.

00:38:03.538 --> 00:38:05.659
And we're also offering like, you know,

00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.701
some, some pretty cool rewards.

00:38:07.740 --> 00:38:09.222
We have, uh,

00:38:09.302 --> 00:38:11.902
we actually made some awesome pins, um,

00:38:11.922 --> 00:38:13.244
that are coming with a lot of the

00:38:13.264 --> 00:38:13.623
additions,

00:38:13.643 --> 00:38:17.025
like Ruby's two inch hard enamel pins.

00:38:17.085 --> 00:38:17.485
Yeah.

00:38:18.766 --> 00:38:20.067
And she's kind of like in an action

00:38:20.126 --> 00:38:21.467
pose, which is cool for Ruby.

00:38:21.487 --> 00:38:22.088
I love it.

00:38:23.268 --> 00:38:24.369
I love it because you're answering

00:38:24.409 --> 00:38:26.168
questions that I had for later when we

00:38:26.208 --> 00:38:26.748
got down there.

00:38:26.768 --> 00:38:27.590
So that's awesome.

00:38:27.730 --> 00:38:28.550
I love a good pin.

00:38:30.369 --> 00:38:30.510
Yeah.

00:38:30.530 --> 00:38:31.590
I haven't added this one yet,

00:38:31.630 --> 00:38:35.092
but that's my Luanna Vecchio lovesick pin

00:38:35.112 --> 00:38:37.532
from her character Domino from her comic

00:38:37.552 --> 00:38:37.813
book.

00:38:37.833 --> 00:38:38.612
Nice.

00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:44.086
Speaking of which, she's also from France.

00:38:46.190 --> 00:38:46.630
Nice.

00:38:46.650 --> 00:38:48.114
They've got some good artists over there

00:38:48.153 --> 00:38:48.514
in Europe.

00:38:48.554 --> 00:38:50.737
They really, really do.

00:38:50.757 --> 00:38:51.940
Like I said, I

00:38:54.438 --> 00:38:56.880
so impressed with this work coming from

00:38:56.981 --> 00:38:59.143
over there to over here like i i

00:38:59.163 --> 00:39:00.704
never like i haven't i've been back in

00:39:00.724 --> 00:39:02.045
the comic books for like four and a

00:39:02.065 --> 00:39:05.349
half years i guess and this has kind

00:39:05.389 --> 00:39:07.112
of been my year of discovery for those

00:39:07.431 --> 00:39:10.014
for european artists and south american

00:39:10.074 --> 00:39:13.898
artists as well so just brilliant

00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:15.701
brilliant talented people

00:39:16.146 --> 00:39:18.608
I mean, San, who did the variant,

00:39:18.688 --> 00:39:20.608
he's from South America.

00:39:20.788 --> 00:39:21.427
Argentinian.

00:39:21.447 --> 00:39:22.248
He's Chilean, lives in Argentina,

00:39:22.608 --> 00:39:24.148
but Chilean, yeah.

00:39:24.168 --> 00:39:24.648
Santiago Espina, yeah.

00:39:24.668 --> 00:39:28.731
Or the other way, yeah.

00:39:28.791 --> 00:39:31.851
My friend who does the artwork for

00:39:31.911 --> 00:39:33.532
Videlirium, Francisco Nilo,

00:39:33.572 --> 00:39:34.472
he's Argentinian.

00:39:34.492 --> 00:39:35.652
Oh, wow.

00:39:35.672 --> 00:39:36.972
And he's doing his part.

00:39:36.992 --> 00:39:37.072
Yeah.

00:39:39.833 --> 00:39:40.673
And I'll tell you,

00:39:40.793 --> 00:39:42.434
the art- You got my reference right.

00:39:43.295 --> 00:39:43.875
His part?

00:39:44.614 --> 00:39:44.735
Yeah.

00:39:45.489 --> 00:39:50.110
tell me what it meant starship trippers oh

00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:53.672
my god that's yes that's where the

00:39:53.711 --> 00:39:56.092
meteoroid hit was argentina you wouldn't

00:39:56.112 --> 00:39:58.454
get okay that's a yep that's a deep

00:39:58.494 --> 00:40:02.876
cut yeah we're doing our part which

00:40:02.956 --> 00:40:05.916
according to fran that's like a thing down

00:40:05.936 --> 00:40:07.456
there they'll pass by their friends and

00:40:07.476 --> 00:40:08.978
they'll be like hey we're doing our part

00:40:09.824 --> 00:40:10.945
which I thought was hilarious.

00:40:11.485 --> 00:40:12.204
That's funny.

00:40:12.284 --> 00:40:14.405
You know the actor Casper Van Damme?

00:40:14.646 --> 00:40:16.007
He's Argentinian in Starship.

00:40:16.027 --> 00:40:19.188
Oh, okay, okay, got it.

00:40:19.208 --> 00:40:20.570
Brilliant piece of cinema, by the way.

00:40:20.909 --> 00:40:21.130
It is.

00:40:21.289 --> 00:40:24.251
Yeah, that, Total Recall, RoboCop.

00:40:26.168 --> 00:40:28.791
nothing better great time but to collect

00:40:29.052 --> 00:40:31.815
eighties and nineties yeah yeah keep going

00:40:31.835 --> 00:40:33.577
please i'm sorry no but to get back

00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.079
to the art i was telling you that

00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:40.387
joe uh like in part two he really

00:40:40.847 --> 00:40:43.451
upped his game with the detail

00:40:44.692 --> 00:40:46.474
um and how you know a lot of

00:40:46.494 --> 00:40:47.815
the stuff that we're getting into and some

00:40:47.856 --> 00:40:50.699
of the images you'll be seeing um we

00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.643
were very impressed and pleased um with

00:40:54.684 --> 00:40:57.327
the way that he's been progressing i mean

00:40:57.367 --> 00:40:59.769
he's amazing already but you know between

00:40:59.809 --> 00:41:01.371
the first book and the second there was

00:41:01.411 --> 00:41:02.512
some time and he had worked on a

00:41:02.532 --> 00:41:04.034
couple things and then when we met up

00:41:04.614 --> 00:41:06.996
again to talk about book two we talked

00:41:07.036 --> 00:41:10.139
about that you know there is not a

00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.041
lot of time happens chronologically from

00:41:12.101 --> 00:41:14.262
book one to two but there is this

00:41:14.362 --> 00:41:16.724
change like in our in our protagonist

00:41:16.764 --> 00:41:18.025
right so we were talking about like

00:41:18.726 --> 00:41:21.409
maturing a bit and like darkening a bit

00:41:21.489 --> 00:41:23.070
of the art so it's still the same

00:41:23.269 --> 00:41:24.650
it's the same but it's like there's this

00:41:24.690 --> 00:41:26.652
like level of like

00:41:27.318 --> 00:41:29.358
darkness that kind of like creeps in a

00:41:29.378 --> 00:41:30.300
little bit more.

00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.181
And so he took that there.

00:41:32.260 --> 00:41:34.282
And that's also why we decided to do

00:41:34.342 --> 00:41:37.443
like a new color way for the,

00:41:37.623 --> 00:41:39.224
the first book.

00:41:39.304 --> 00:41:41.967
And also he redesigned a couple of things.

00:41:42.027 --> 00:41:43.447
It's still the same cover,

00:41:43.507 --> 00:41:45.809
but he just like gave it that tweak.

00:41:45.849 --> 00:41:47.731
That's more of the style, that word.

00:41:48.251 --> 00:41:50.592
doing now yeah no the the art that

00:41:50.632 --> 00:41:52.452
y'all sent me over with the uh the

00:41:52.512 --> 00:41:55.072
press pack was absolutely amazing i don't

00:41:55.512 --> 00:41:57.494
who did that cover that y'all sent me

00:41:57.574 --> 00:42:00.375
the uh white cover with the um the

00:42:00.394 --> 00:42:03.356
face with the half face uh no the

00:42:03.456 --> 00:42:05.556
one with i think it's ruby with ruby

00:42:05.635 --> 00:42:07.697
oh that's son yeah uh santiago speed

00:42:07.737 --> 00:42:10.737
that's okay he did the goth cover

00:42:11.954 --> 00:42:12.534
variant.

00:42:12.735 --> 00:42:13.635
I love that cover.

00:42:14.496 --> 00:42:16.219
So he's great.

00:42:18.882 --> 00:42:20.704
If we went with him to do the

00:42:20.724 --> 00:42:21.846
whole interiors,

00:42:22.166 --> 00:42:23.887
the vibe would have

00:42:24.858 --> 00:42:26.219
gone very differently.

00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:27.699
Yeah, yeah.

00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:29.219
I think the way that the script was

00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:29.940
and the story was,

00:42:29.980 --> 00:42:33.121
we had to lean more, you know,

00:42:33.201 --> 00:42:34.222
into Joe's art.

00:42:34.282 --> 00:42:36.782
Yeah, it just aligned for this project.

00:42:36.842 --> 00:42:39.543
But that cover by San is beautiful.

00:42:39.643 --> 00:42:41.385
And it's all amazing.

00:42:41.445 --> 00:42:43.425
It's all, you know, I mean,

00:42:43.445 --> 00:42:45.405
they're both obviously doing everything by

00:42:45.447 --> 00:42:46.266
hand, but like,

00:42:46.726 --> 00:42:49.972
um the line work well yeah exactly so

00:42:50.152 --> 00:42:54.056
no son basically sent us you could see

00:42:54.117 --> 00:42:56.000
like he does all that by hand he

00:42:56.059 --> 00:42:58.983
let he he sent a picture and you

00:42:59.083 --> 00:43:00.586
could see was just done in a spiral

00:43:00.626 --> 00:43:01.027
notebook um

00:43:02.608 --> 00:43:05.411
and uh I've actually like I hired him

00:43:05.452 --> 00:43:06.534
to work on a pitch deck for a

00:43:06.574 --> 00:43:08.155
movie I'm developing and he did a bunch

00:43:08.195 --> 00:43:10.117
of the artwork to help with that so

00:43:10.157 --> 00:43:14.101
his uh that variant cover is excellent

00:43:14.521 --> 00:43:18.425
with Ruby we're very uh very bad yeah

00:43:18.505 --> 00:43:22.751
yeah I I absolutely love that cover that's

00:43:22.831 --> 00:43:23.431
one of those where

00:43:25.266 --> 00:43:27.487
It'd be really cool just to, you know,

00:43:27.507 --> 00:43:30.668
the big poster, slap it on the wall.

00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:32.050
I love that style of art.

00:43:32.469 --> 00:43:33.851
And then that goth, you know,

00:43:33.931 --> 00:43:34.670
feel to it.

00:43:35.251 --> 00:43:36.472
It's a brilliant, brilliant.

00:43:36.492 --> 00:43:37.132
It's gorgeous.

00:43:37.211 --> 00:43:39.012
It's gorgeous in the color and everything.

00:43:39.092 --> 00:43:39.972
And to be honest.

00:43:39.992 --> 00:43:41.114
It's so simple.

00:43:41.494 --> 00:43:42.815
It's just red and blue.

00:43:44.505 --> 00:43:45.226
Sure, if you want to.

00:43:45.467 --> 00:43:47.548
He's going to grab the foil based on

00:43:47.608 --> 00:43:49.990
the Gothic cover that San did.

00:43:50.030 --> 00:43:51.552
That would be amazing.

00:43:51.592 --> 00:43:52.454
Yeah, he's just going to show it.

00:43:52.474 --> 00:43:53.054
And for that,

00:43:53.554 --> 00:43:55.396
we did that with the first Kickstarter,

00:43:55.496 --> 00:43:57.498
just a limited edition of the foil.

00:43:58.579 --> 00:43:59.360
So obviously,

00:44:00.340 --> 00:44:01.922
we promised we're never going to reprint

00:44:01.963 --> 00:44:02.943
that, so it's like a metal...

00:44:03.784 --> 00:44:06.126
um very very cool but one thing is

00:44:06.166 --> 00:44:09.007
we haven't revealed the cover yet for the

00:44:09.068 --> 00:44:10.829
standard of book two which we're not going

00:44:10.869 --> 00:44:15.072
to do until we launch so uh yeah

00:44:15.152 --> 00:44:19.496
yeah here's the the foil that we did

00:44:19.556 --> 00:44:26.001
as a variant um yeah so yo yeah

00:44:26.021 --> 00:44:27.282
you also have those on your site

00:44:28.108 --> 00:44:30.528
yeah there's only five or six of these

00:44:30.588 --> 00:44:33.110
left yeah okay but yeah i was just

00:44:33.130 --> 00:44:35.789
saying how yeah that is to reprint this

00:44:35.969 --> 00:44:38.351
no this is look at that limited but

00:44:38.391 --> 00:44:40.951
see that's his shock headed peter and it's

00:44:40.990 --> 00:44:43.492
a totally that is rabbit oh yeah yeah

00:44:45.831 --> 00:44:47.672
the back sounded yeah the back no but

00:44:47.692 --> 00:44:49.393
the back is also metal you know we

00:44:49.413 --> 00:44:52.773
just did um the foil that i'm a

00:44:52.873 --> 00:44:55.474
sucker for a good looking gothic horror

00:44:55.514 --> 00:44:56.434
themed foil

00:44:57.228 --> 00:44:58.969
yeah it's just something about them the

00:44:58.989 --> 00:45:01.190
way the foil and the the metallic off

00:45:01.210 --> 00:45:03.710
the foil just makes certain elements pop

00:45:04.030 --> 00:45:06.793
on yeah printed really well this is just

00:45:06.813 --> 00:45:10.735
the regular uh still very beautiful but

00:45:10.855 --> 00:45:13.335
the way the yellow foil makes those the

00:45:13.376 --> 00:45:16.557
yellows and stuff pop is another level of

00:45:16.617 --> 00:45:17.097
artistry

00:45:17.577 --> 00:45:19.440
yeah and it was really really fun and

00:45:19.561 --> 00:45:20.722
again just for those people who are

00:45:20.742 --> 00:45:22.644
listening who don't know that is for a

00:45:22.724 --> 00:45:25.208
book one the the variant cover that we

00:45:25.228 --> 00:45:27.451
did but we had a blast that was

00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:30.355
only the the first kickstarter printing

00:45:30.375 --> 00:45:33.539
yeah yeah those are yeah that's why you

00:45:33.579 --> 00:45:34.079
do that's how

00:45:35.458 --> 00:45:36.878
And I wish comic book companies of the

00:45:36.938 --> 00:45:38.360
nineties would have done this and just

00:45:38.420 --> 00:45:40.420
kept those to a limited print.

00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:42.382
Because if you go back and if you

00:45:42.402 --> 00:45:42.581
can,

00:45:42.601 --> 00:45:44.402
I don't know if y'all were into comic

00:45:44.422 --> 00:45:45.443
books in the nineties,

00:45:45.923 --> 00:45:48.164
but everything had foil covers back then.

00:45:48.465 --> 00:45:49.925
Like literally everything.

00:45:50.652 --> 00:45:51.052
Yeah.

00:45:51.152 --> 00:45:53.074
And they overprinted the hell out of them.

00:45:53.373 --> 00:45:54.494
And now they're worth pennies.

00:45:54.514 --> 00:45:55.253
Yeah.

00:45:55.373 --> 00:45:55.574
Yeah.

00:45:55.733 --> 00:45:58.514
It's like I collected baseball cards and

00:45:58.635 --> 00:46:00.094
cards of the eighties and nineties were

00:46:00.114 --> 00:46:00.695
like junk.

00:46:00.715 --> 00:46:01.094
So yeah.

00:46:01.155 --> 00:46:01.235
Yes.

00:46:01.255 --> 00:46:01.615
I get it.

00:46:02.016 --> 00:46:02.695
Yeah.

00:46:02.715 --> 00:46:04.016
But yeah, we committed to that.

00:46:04.076 --> 00:46:05.795
Like being like, this is only with our,

00:46:05.876 --> 00:46:07.896
you know, first Kickstarter printing,

00:46:07.936 --> 00:46:09.737
like we're not going to reprint these so

00:46:09.757 --> 00:46:12.958
that that way that there's that, I guess,

00:46:13.478 --> 00:46:14.378
you know, the limited.

00:46:14.657 --> 00:46:16.298
You hold something special for me.

00:46:16.318 --> 00:46:16.398
Yeah.

00:46:17.298 --> 00:46:19.541
yeah i think i think son was kind

00:46:19.581 --> 00:46:23.663
of tapping into our you know our hbo

00:46:23.682 --> 00:46:28.166
version of this book uh and we're like

00:46:28.226 --> 00:46:29.927
you know if it is if we do

00:46:30.367 --> 00:46:32.648
uh go down a road eventually like this

00:46:32.688 --> 00:46:35.590
is these are good comps there's a um

00:46:37.913 --> 00:46:40.394
anime that that just reminded me of

00:46:41.344 --> 00:46:43.007
it was in my head now it's gone

00:46:43.467 --> 00:46:45.148
beside the point now i guess because i

00:46:45.168 --> 00:46:46.889
can't even remember the name but him

00:46:46.949 --> 00:46:49.172
walking down the stairs and then the foil

00:46:49.932 --> 00:46:51.235
the very goth look it was like a

00:46:51.715 --> 00:46:54.498
vampire anime that i had watched and it's

00:46:54.518 --> 00:46:57.900
just my head immediately went there email

00:46:57.940 --> 00:46:59.603
us if you remember yeah yeah i will

00:46:59.663 --> 00:47:02.184
yeah absolutely um i'll shoot you a

00:47:02.224 --> 00:47:05.789
message on um yeah instagram so

00:47:07.628 --> 00:47:09.369
Shockhead and Peter is such a unique blend

00:47:09.389 --> 00:47:11.349
of horror, fantasy, and folklore.

00:47:15.213 --> 00:47:17.775
And you balance the gruesome punishments

00:47:17.815 --> 00:47:19.996
and strangely whimsical energy.

00:47:20.036 --> 00:47:21.896
How did you kind of strike that tone

00:47:21.916 --> 00:47:23.898
without tipping too far into pure horror

00:47:24.418 --> 00:47:26.760
or pure fantasy?

00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:28.661
Because that could have been very easily

00:47:28.722 --> 00:47:29.862
done if you weren't careful.

00:47:30.222 --> 00:47:30.643
Yeah,

00:47:30.742 --> 00:47:32.503
I think that's two things come to mind.

00:47:32.684 --> 00:47:34.724
One is definitely relying on our

00:47:34.744 --> 00:47:36.425
characters being very...

00:47:37.958 --> 00:47:40.079
layered and grounding them and like our

00:47:40.099 --> 00:47:42.039
protagonist Ruby having a lot of heart.

00:47:43.539 --> 00:47:45.760
And also the art like what we're talking

00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:48.422
about with Joe just like having that

00:47:48.523 --> 00:47:50.862
balance so that that way we don't fall

00:47:50.983 --> 00:47:53.405
too far into into that dark and,

00:47:53.965 --> 00:47:54.264
you know,

00:47:54.898 --> 00:47:58.019
horrible horrible world that uh that we

00:47:58.179 --> 00:48:00.320
very easily have been done and that could

00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:01.920
be something really cool to go back to

00:48:02.101 --> 00:48:04.583
later and re-explore make it into a darker

00:48:04.623 --> 00:48:07.304
more adult toned book if you ever wanted

00:48:07.344 --> 00:48:09.144
to so that's a door that's open for

00:48:09.224 --> 00:48:10.606
y'all later down the road if you want

00:48:10.626 --> 00:48:13.507
it to i think well one i think

00:48:13.887 --> 00:48:16.148
uh maybe we're just a little deranged and

00:48:16.327 --> 00:48:17.708
uh we laugh at all the punishments and

00:48:17.728 --> 00:48:20.329
maybe that we all are we all are

00:48:20.929 --> 00:48:22.971
but but i think as far as it

00:48:22.990 --> 00:48:23.952
going dark or

00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:28.143
I think if we eventually down the line

00:48:28.164 --> 00:48:30.085
develop this into a show or a movie,

00:48:30.726 --> 00:48:33.168
that's where we could probably delve into

00:48:33.389 --> 00:48:37.653
the more adult version of Ruby and Peter

00:48:38.355 --> 00:48:42.778
and the ramifications of their actions and

00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:45.300
human nature even more.

00:48:46.061 --> 00:48:48.143
But right now, we just...

00:48:49.396 --> 00:48:51.217
The way that we wrote the pilot and

00:48:51.856 --> 00:48:53.936
the inspiration from the source material

00:48:53.976 --> 00:48:55.858
and then seeing those work.

00:48:55.918 --> 00:48:57.237
And we were just like, you know,

00:48:57.338 --> 00:48:59.719
this has got to take on the life

00:48:59.759 --> 00:49:02.679
kind of like a Tim Burton kind of

00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:05.280
work or something like that.

00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:06.079
And, you know,

00:49:07.161 --> 00:49:08.581
it'd be a really cool stop motion as

00:49:08.621 --> 00:49:08.860
well.

00:49:10.518 --> 00:49:11.739
It really, we've actually,

00:49:11.878 --> 00:49:14.039
that we know people in that world as

00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:14.360
well.

00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:16.240
And we thought of that as well.

00:49:16.501 --> 00:49:18.121
Yeah, but even if we do,

00:49:18.201 --> 00:49:20.601
which would be amazing to do a series

00:49:20.641 --> 00:49:21.101
or a film,

00:49:21.161 --> 00:49:23.943
we would still keep that magical aspect of

00:49:24.003 --> 00:49:25.123
it, even if we go darker,

00:49:25.143 --> 00:49:27.083
because I think that balance is really

00:49:27.204 --> 00:49:28.503
important to still have.

00:49:29.423 --> 00:49:31.005
You know, it is a fantasy horror.

00:49:31.045 --> 00:49:34.746
And I think that these moments that do

00:49:34.786 --> 00:49:36.666
balance it just make it feel like

00:49:36.706 --> 00:49:38.347
well-rounded and people can connect.

00:49:38.905 --> 00:49:40.746
two better than if it was just like

00:49:41.166 --> 00:49:44.909
leaning way much more than one yeah and

00:49:44.929 --> 00:49:46.289
the way y'all done it you have this

00:49:46.409 --> 00:49:49.032
perfect balance where it could a kid could

00:49:49.072 --> 00:49:50.693
sit down and read it and not be

00:49:50.833 --> 00:49:53.514
scared but it's also still fun for us

00:49:53.554 --> 00:49:54.896
as adults to read as well

00:49:55.436 --> 00:49:55.755
Yeah.

00:49:55.777 --> 00:49:56.016
Yeah.

00:49:56.036 --> 00:49:57.619
And that's one thing we were like, oh,

00:49:57.659 --> 00:49:57.918
OK,

00:49:57.978 --> 00:49:59.400
what what are people going to think this

00:49:59.420 --> 00:49:59.460
is?

00:49:59.481 --> 00:50:00.282
Because it's not.

00:50:00.722 --> 00:50:00.942
Yes.

00:50:01.041 --> 00:50:02.224
Because of the images,

00:50:02.244 --> 00:50:03.485
like the illustrations, you might think,

00:50:03.585 --> 00:50:04.465
oh, this is for kids.

00:50:04.505 --> 00:50:06.168
But but we always say it's like,

00:50:07.148 --> 00:50:07.550
you know,

00:50:07.610 --> 00:50:10.293
like at least PG-XIII because like the

00:50:10.333 --> 00:50:11.012
things that are seen.

00:50:11.534 --> 00:50:12.175
Bob's in there.

00:50:13.163 --> 00:50:15.364
yeah exactly i think every good comic book

00:50:15.385 --> 00:50:17.666
should have at least one yeah yeah yeah

00:50:17.726 --> 00:50:20.349
so i mean it is it's solid pg-thirteen

00:50:20.449 --> 00:50:22.690
yeah solid for sure yeah you know i

00:50:22.710 --> 00:50:24.873
think pg-thirteens allows allowed what one

00:50:24.913 --> 00:50:26.893
or two elf bombs i don't know now

00:50:26.954 --> 00:50:29.617
but something like that so and uh we

00:50:30.677 --> 00:50:32.498
yeah we don't there's no new to well

00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:35.802
no no there's like a half and later

00:50:35.902 --> 00:50:35.981
on

00:50:39.740 --> 00:50:41.802
But there's also some tongue-in-cheek,

00:50:41.842 --> 00:50:43.402
like, kind of funny moments that,

00:50:43.463 --> 00:50:43.822
you know,

00:50:44.443 --> 00:50:45.983
we also like that just to have.

00:50:46.364 --> 00:50:48.985
I think anything that's good might find

00:50:49.045 --> 00:50:50.085
some humor in it.

00:50:50.364 --> 00:50:51.786
I think it's just good to have,

00:50:51.965 --> 00:50:53.766
you know, those different colors.

00:50:53.786 --> 00:50:55.568
I mean,

00:50:55.628 --> 00:50:57.327
you take it back to you mentioned it

00:50:57.367 --> 00:50:59.208
had that feel of Nightmare on Elm Street,

00:50:59.228 --> 00:51:02.309
and Freddy Krueger was funny to himself.

00:51:02.971 --> 00:51:05.010
But he had some zingers and some one

00:51:05.030 --> 00:51:07.291
lines in the movies that were absolutely

00:51:07.331 --> 00:51:07.893
brilliant.

00:51:07.952 --> 00:51:08.213
So...

00:51:09.166 --> 00:51:10.208
Yeah.

00:51:10.268 --> 00:51:11.088
No, you're right.

00:51:11.389 --> 00:51:11.769
You're right.

00:51:11.829 --> 00:51:12.090
Yeah.

00:51:12.170 --> 00:51:14.273
He cracked himself up like the original.

00:51:14.353 --> 00:51:14.592
Yeah.

00:51:16.074 --> 00:51:17.757
That's, you know, I mean,

00:51:17.797 --> 00:51:18.998
we did kind of grow up in that

00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:19.559
era.

00:51:19.938 --> 00:51:22.362
So maybe it's that just kind of like

00:51:22.402 --> 00:51:23.923
been seeped into our being.

00:51:23.943 --> 00:51:24.905
Yeah.

00:51:25.606 --> 00:51:26.547
I mean, yeah.

00:51:26.567 --> 00:51:27.206
Not gonna lie,

00:51:27.226 --> 00:51:28.367
it scared the shit out of me as

00:51:28.387 --> 00:51:28.728
a kid.

00:51:28.889 --> 00:51:29.750
Oh, Freddy Krueger?

00:51:29.789 --> 00:51:31.570
Yeah, of course.

00:51:31.650 --> 00:51:34.454
Out of all of them, Jason, Michael Myers,

00:51:34.474 --> 00:51:34.954
they didn't...

00:51:35.574 --> 00:51:36.454
I thought those were the coolest

00:51:36.494 --> 00:51:37.135
characters ever.

00:51:37.516 --> 00:51:39.697
But Freddy Krueger, legit,

00:51:39.737 --> 00:51:41.480
the fact that he could evade my dreams

00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:42.960
scared the shit out of me.

00:51:43.001 --> 00:51:44.481
Actually, didn't he just...

00:51:44.581 --> 00:51:45.822
I think I just saw something that he

00:51:45.842 --> 00:51:45.903
got...

00:51:45.923 --> 00:51:47.144
He's gonna be Jiminy Cricket

00:51:49.329 --> 00:51:49.449
Oh, wow.

00:51:49.469 --> 00:51:51.190
In the new Pinocchio from Blumhouse,

00:51:51.231 --> 00:51:51.710
I think it is,

00:51:51.751 --> 00:51:53.552
or whoever's doing the poo-verse.

00:51:54.733 --> 00:51:55.394
The poo-verse?

00:51:55.815 --> 00:51:57.876
He's playing Jiminy Cricket in Pinocchio.

00:51:57.896 --> 00:52:00.980
Oh, wow.

00:52:01.019 --> 00:52:01.659
Robert Englund,

00:52:02.101 --> 00:52:03.561
who finally got a star on the Hollywood

00:52:03.581 --> 00:52:04.503
Walk of Fame, finally.

00:52:04.523 --> 00:52:05.463
He did?

00:52:05.503 --> 00:52:07.686
Well-deserved.

00:52:07.706 --> 00:52:09.588
I think I just read that Freddy Krueger

00:52:09.628 --> 00:52:13.451
was voted scariest character of the

00:52:13.490 --> 00:52:13.911
past...

00:52:15.117 --> 00:52:16.438
like something just popped up today.

00:52:16.458 --> 00:52:17.139
Yeah.

00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:17.960
I got to look back at that.

00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:19.021
Yeah.

00:52:19.061 --> 00:52:19.641
That's really cool.

00:52:20.041 --> 00:52:20.202
Yeah.

00:52:20.282 --> 00:52:20.581
Actually.

00:52:21.222 --> 00:52:22.103
Oh, sorry.

00:52:22.123 --> 00:52:22.842
No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:52:23.744 --> 00:52:24.985
Uh, for book one,

00:52:25.005 --> 00:52:27.425
we also did a pop culture variant and

00:52:27.505 --> 00:52:29.728
it was a nightmare on Elm street.

00:52:29.967 --> 00:52:33.130
Um, so that was something that we, yeah.

00:52:33.210 --> 00:52:33.871
Yeah.

00:52:33.911 --> 00:52:35.632
The poster, like Ruby's in,

00:52:36.052 --> 00:52:38.474
in bed and then Peter's reaching over her

00:52:38.634 --> 00:52:40.155
hand, like a Freddy Krueger hand.

00:52:40.494 --> 00:52:41.896
That would be so cool.

00:52:41.916 --> 00:52:42.016
Yeah.

00:52:42.476 --> 00:52:42.836
Yeah.

00:52:43.829 --> 00:52:45.170
wish i would have discovered it then

00:52:45.449 --> 00:52:46.731
because i would have definitely i'm

00:52:46.751 --> 00:52:47.871
definitely going back and getting that

00:52:47.931 --> 00:52:51.753
foil if it's still available but so ruby

00:52:51.793 --> 00:52:54.153
your teenage heroine in this is described

00:52:54.193 --> 00:52:56.355
as a girl with an actual broken heart

00:52:56.755 --> 00:52:58.456
can you tell us about her journey in

00:52:58.476 --> 00:53:01.518
this second volume and how she evolves in

00:53:01.557 --> 00:53:03.358
the story because we we're seeing that

00:53:03.378 --> 00:53:05.739
she's starting to she stepped up she's

00:53:05.780 --> 00:53:07.661
trying to do more for her family given

00:53:07.721 --> 00:53:10.222
the state that her father is in and

00:53:10.262 --> 00:53:12.583
just her family's history to begin with

00:53:12.684 --> 00:53:13.103
it's just

00:53:14.461 --> 00:53:16.824
probably out of all the chaos and tragedy

00:53:16.844 --> 00:53:17.724
going on in that town,

00:53:17.764 --> 00:53:19.965
her family probably has it the worst.

00:53:20.186 --> 00:53:20.766
Yeah.

00:53:20.846 --> 00:53:21.365
Yeah.

00:53:21.405 --> 00:53:22.027
They do.

00:53:22.106 --> 00:53:22.646
It's sad.

00:53:23.027 --> 00:53:24.007
Yeah, for sure.

00:53:24.909 --> 00:53:26.730
I mean, without giving too much away,

00:53:26.789 --> 00:53:27.891
it's exactly what you said.

00:53:27.931 --> 00:53:30.351
She definitely steps up and she's,

00:53:30.391 --> 00:53:30.913
you know,

00:53:32.534 --> 00:53:33.713
when we say the girl with a broken

00:53:33.753 --> 00:53:33.974
heart,

00:53:33.994 --> 00:53:35.496
like she actually has a broken heart

00:53:35.516 --> 00:53:36.896
because she has this condition that she

00:53:36.916 --> 00:53:38.777
wears her monitor, which her father- Yeah,

00:53:38.818 --> 00:53:39.958
I was going to ask y'all what that,

00:53:39.978 --> 00:53:40.117
like,

00:53:40.179 --> 00:53:42.000
what was y'all trying to refer that heart

00:53:42.139 --> 00:53:42.179
to?

00:53:42.579 --> 00:53:43.960
Because I know she's got the real cool

00:53:44.001 --> 00:53:45.740
monitor that her dad made for her.

00:53:46.101 --> 00:53:46.302
Yeah.

00:53:46.362 --> 00:53:48.242
And then but I was just wondering, like,

00:53:48.302 --> 00:53:49.523
what was like,

00:53:50.023 --> 00:53:51.463
did y'all come up with a heart condition

00:53:51.483 --> 00:53:52.583
just for the story?

00:53:52.784 --> 00:53:54.264
Or was it like, well,

00:53:54.284 --> 00:53:55.605
did you base it off of something?

00:53:56.565 --> 00:53:57.365
It is not.

00:53:57.425 --> 00:53:59.367
I mean, it is also kind of like,

00:53:59.706 --> 00:54:02.947
you know, a metaphor for society,

00:54:03.809 --> 00:54:04.929
you know, kind of like.

00:54:06.445 --> 00:54:09.007
the people who want to do good or

00:54:09.068 --> 00:54:13.269
who are naturally good centered around all

00:54:13.349 --> 00:54:14.851
this monstrousness,

00:54:14.911 --> 00:54:17.572
all this horrible behavior, you know, you,

00:54:18.052 --> 00:54:20.635
you are essentially a person with,

00:54:20.675 --> 00:54:21.775
you know, you're, you,

00:54:21.795 --> 00:54:22.956
you've got a broken heart.

00:54:22.976 --> 00:54:25.277
You can't compete with it.

00:54:25.336 --> 00:54:28.858
You can't fight against it or to no

00:54:28.938 --> 00:54:31.240
avail because it is just overpowering.

00:54:31.420 --> 00:54:31.521
Um,

00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.342
I think it kind of emerged out of

00:54:34.402 --> 00:54:34.864
that.

00:54:34.884 --> 00:54:35.003
Yeah.

00:54:36.025 --> 00:54:38.827
So for the character, it is metaphorical,

00:54:38.867 --> 00:54:40.289
but also physical,

00:54:40.329 --> 00:54:42.431
a physical condition that she does.

00:54:42.592 --> 00:54:44.172
Yeah, she does have this limitation.

00:54:44.213 --> 00:54:47.516
So she has to figure out ways to

00:54:48.958 --> 00:54:50.199
get through life with this.

00:54:50.782 --> 00:54:52.163
Because originally, I'm not going to lie,

00:54:52.202 --> 00:54:53.983
I thought it was like her Hulk monitor.

00:54:54.043 --> 00:54:55.525
Like when it got to a certain degree,

00:54:55.545 --> 00:54:56.686
she would Hulk out and just whoop

00:54:56.766 --> 00:54:57.686
everybody's ass.

00:54:57.965 --> 00:54:59.206
I mean, if I Hulk out.

00:54:59.226 --> 00:55:00.467
There's a few times I was kind of

00:55:00.507 --> 00:55:02.648
hoping she was going to do that.

00:55:02.829 --> 00:55:08.512
I mean, you know, book two is interesting.

00:55:08.612 --> 00:55:09.914
Yeah, book two is interesting.

00:55:09.934 --> 00:55:10.353
Two avenues.

00:55:10.893 --> 00:55:11.135
Yes.

00:55:11.155 --> 00:55:11.375
Yeah.

00:55:14.117 --> 00:55:14.737
But yeah,

00:55:14.996 --> 00:55:16.778
she's definitely going to take on a lot

00:55:16.838 --> 00:55:19.260
more and also grow, you know, grow.

00:55:20.041 --> 00:55:21.262
She is bullied.

00:55:21.342 --> 00:55:22.403
Yeah, she's a teenager,

00:55:22.483 --> 00:55:24.585
but she's like an awkward teenager.

00:55:24.666 --> 00:55:26.007
And she's in a town where there's a

00:55:26.047 --> 00:55:28.489
lot of like, really, as we said before,

00:55:28.550 --> 00:55:31.012
very vile people.

00:55:31.271 --> 00:55:32.072
Vile people.

00:55:32.273 --> 00:55:32.614
Yeah.

00:55:32.634 --> 00:55:34.856
It's also dealing with the nature of if

00:55:34.896 --> 00:55:36.657
you are a good person at heart,

00:55:37.038 --> 00:55:37.438
you know,

00:55:37.657 --> 00:55:37.898
but

00:55:38.972 --> 00:55:40.554
you're surrounded by all these horrible

00:55:40.594 --> 00:55:43.416
people and people who really don't

00:55:43.476 --> 00:55:45.557
necessarily deserve your kindness or

00:55:45.617 --> 00:55:46.137
goodness.

00:55:46.597 --> 00:55:47.818
How do you deal with that?

00:55:48.018 --> 00:55:49.460
How do you defend against it?

00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:51.742
And then someone shows up that gives you

00:55:51.802 --> 00:55:57.385
an opportunity to take action or revenge.

00:55:57.626 --> 00:56:00.887
How do you balance the morality of that?

00:56:01.148 --> 00:56:01.307
Yeah.

00:56:01.327 --> 00:56:03.550
So even though she's a good person,

00:56:03.570 --> 00:56:04.990
it doesn't mean she's not without her

00:56:05.050 --> 00:56:06.851
flaws or she doesn't act like it's human

00:56:06.931 --> 00:56:07.431
nature.

00:56:07.452 --> 00:56:08.273
It's not like,

00:56:08.572 --> 00:56:10.132
She's just a wilted flower.

00:56:10.172 --> 00:56:12.454
That's not going to take like her own

00:56:12.614 --> 00:56:13.974
actions and be, you know.

00:56:13.994 --> 00:56:14.414
Yeah.

00:56:15.614 --> 00:56:17.155
If this doesn't give anything away.

00:56:17.195 --> 00:56:18.434
But if you notice in the book,

00:56:18.494 --> 00:56:22.295
Peter speaks with black balloon bubbles.

00:56:22.956 --> 00:56:24.655
He speaks in riddle as well.

00:56:25.175 --> 00:56:25.615
He does.

00:56:25.735 --> 00:56:26.615
That was really cool.

00:56:27.016 --> 00:56:28.016
He's very lyrical.

00:56:28.235 --> 00:56:28.797
Yeah.

00:56:28.817 --> 00:56:30.376
But if you notice a couple of times

00:56:30.416 --> 00:56:33.237
earlier on when Ruby, you know,

00:56:33.297 --> 00:56:35.038
gets a certain type of demeanor,

00:56:35.077 --> 00:56:37.057
her her bubble darkens just a little bit.

00:56:38.335 --> 00:56:38.835
Oh,

00:56:38.876 --> 00:56:39.815
I have to go back and look at

00:56:39.835 --> 00:56:41.898
that again.

00:56:42.338 --> 00:56:42.677
Yeah.

00:56:42.777 --> 00:56:44.219
So, I mean, you know, it's,

00:56:44.318 --> 00:56:46.400
it's definitely like, I think book two,

00:56:46.601 --> 00:56:47.981
we do have a hundred and eight pages.

00:56:48.041 --> 00:56:48.641
So you're,

00:56:48.742 --> 00:56:51.824
it's going to expand a lot of what's

00:56:51.844 --> 00:56:52.505
going to happen.

00:56:52.565 --> 00:56:55.306
It's going to reveal a lot of things.

00:56:56.246 --> 00:56:59.548
And obviously like we do have a third

00:56:59.590 --> 00:57:00.469
part, so it won't,

00:57:00.690 --> 00:57:02.632
it won't be wrapped up with two,

00:57:02.672 --> 00:57:03.992
but it's going to leave you.

00:57:05.213 --> 00:57:06.733
There is an arc for part two.

00:57:07.014 --> 00:57:07.153
Yeah,

00:57:07.173 --> 00:57:09.054
and we've always known the arc from the

00:57:09.114 --> 00:57:09.755
beginning.

00:57:10.275 --> 00:57:11.894
We've always had the full story.

00:57:11.994 --> 00:57:14.016
And we never structured this like your

00:57:14.056 --> 00:57:15.655
traditional twenty-two pagers,

00:57:16.177 --> 00:57:17.317
traditional floppies.

00:57:18.036 --> 00:57:20.277
We always want to make sure everything has

00:57:20.297 --> 00:57:21.597
a beginning, middle, and end,

00:57:21.737 --> 00:57:23.458
but with a little bit of a hanger.

00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:26.860
sorry that's our dog if you're here I

00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:30.922
was like what yeah he's been pretty quiet

00:57:30.963 --> 00:57:32.903
but then he just had to shift so

00:57:33.445 --> 00:57:34.744
what kind of dog is it he's a

00:57:34.804 --> 00:57:37.927
boxer oh okay yeah I got three cats

00:57:37.967 --> 00:57:40.369
they're all yeah they're all downstairs

00:57:40.389 --> 00:57:43.070
apparently normally there's one sleeping

00:57:43.630 --> 00:57:45.791
right back there normally there's one

00:57:45.851 --> 00:57:48.273
sleeping like right here on my desk and

00:57:48.293 --> 00:57:50.173
the other one he's he's new to the

00:57:50.434 --> 00:57:52.456
to the house my daughter just adopted him

00:57:53.697 --> 00:57:55.418
but he stays downstairs until my

00:57:55.478 --> 00:57:56.097
daughter's home.

00:57:56.137 --> 00:57:57.778
And then he's like, wherever she is.

00:57:58.579 --> 00:58:00.679
He's very much my daughter's cat.

00:58:00.699 --> 00:58:02.121
He's a hundred percent attached to her.

00:58:02.780 --> 00:58:05.742
Unlike the other two who were basically a

00:58:05.762 --> 00:58:07.043
hundred percent mine at this point.

00:58:07.663 --> 00:58:10.384
That's another thing we kind of have like

00:58:10.664 --> 00:58:11.143
in the book,

00:58:11.264 --> 00:58:12.764
like for lack of a better term,

00:58:12.804 --> 00:58:14.246
spirit animals at the beginning,

00:58:14.885 --> 00:58:17.106
Ruby has Toby, the mechanical bird.

00:58:18.106 --> 00:58:18.927
I thought that was really cool.

00:58:18.947 --> 00:58:21.289
Cause that's my oldest cat's name is Toby

00:58:21.369 --> 00:58:22.068
only with an I.

00:58:23.382 --> 00:58:24.083
And if you notice,

00:58:24.123 --> 00:58:25.545
Peter has a little salamander.

00:58:25.565 --> 00:58:28.711
Oh, yeah.

00:58:28.751 --> 00:58:29.474
It's in there.

00:58:30.074 --> 00:58:33.722
But you'll learn more about

00:58:34.393 --> 00:58:36.795
the the meanings of these things they were

00:58:36.815 --> 00:58:39.615
mechanical her parrot or her bird is

00:58:39.635 --> 00:58:41.396
mechanical which i thought was really cool

00:58:41.416 --> 00:58:43.757
yeah the idea was that her father built

00:58:43.858 --> 00:58:46.539
it yeah the master clocksmith he fashioned

00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:48.659
i not to get too much in the

00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:49.900
detail because we don't go into this in

00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:51.641
the story but the idea was that toby

00:58:51.661 --> 00:58:54.262
was a real bird and he was getting

00:58:54.362 --> 00:58:56.123
sicker and sicker and they kept on

00:58:56.164 --> 00:58:57.704
patching him up and then he eventually

00:58:57.724 --> 00:58:59.405
just became a full mechanical bird

00:58:59.983 --> 00:59:01.563
That was our own backstory.

00:59:01.864 --> 00:59:02.764
That's cool as hell.

00:59:02.784 --> 00:59:04.565
I love that.

00:59:04.585 --> 00:59:05.686
Those are some things that sometimes

00:59:05.706 --> 00:59:06.085
you're like,

00:59:06.567 --> 00:59:07.726
what can you keep in the story and

00:59:07.766 --> 00:59:10.409
what can you have to make more concise?

00:59:10.489 --> 00:59:12.730
But that's the origin of Toby.

00:59:12.909 --> 00:59:15.331
We have a little compendium of all these

00:59:15.411 --> 00:59:16.152
backstories.

00:59:16.192 --> 00:59:16.731
They're there.

00:59:17.152 --> 00:59:18.813
And y'all get ready someday to release the

00:59:18.873 --> 00:59:22.416
full artist edition, as they call them.

00:59:22.936 --> 00:59:24.097
You'll have to include all those little

00:59:24.137 --> 00:59:25.197
things like that because that's really

00:59:25.217 --> 00:59:25.496
cool.

00:59:25.938 --> 00:59:26.277
Yeah.

00:59:26.858 --> 00:59:28.838
but i was just saying toby is you

00:59:28.878 --> 00:59:31.759
know is there there's a connection there

00:59:31.798 --> 00:59:34.920
with people and their animals yeah so i

00:59:34.940 --> 00:59:36.179
know the one family had the pig as

00:59:36.219 --> 00:59:41.981
well but yeah that's pretty serving for

00:59:42.001 --> 00:59:44.061
yeah yeah i'm pretty sure he his name

00:59:44.081 --> 00:59:52.963
was bacon yeah yeah all right um dang

00:59:52.983 --> 00:59:54.443
we've been hitting this just right so

00:59:58.041 --> 01:00:00.403
Was this always planned as a three-part

01:00:00.423 --> 01:00:00.784
series?

01:00:00.824 --> 01:00:02.726
And did you always have a beginning,

01:00:02.746 --> 01:00:04.967
a middle, and an end already planned out?

01:00:05.547 --> 01:00:06.889
Or was it just something where you started

01:00:06.949 --> 01:00:09.431
working and realized like, oh,

01:00:09.630 --> 01:00:10.811
this is going to have to be three

01:00:10.831 --> 01:00:11.291
parts,

01:00:11.371 --> 01:00:12.672
but we know the beginning and we know

01:00:12.713 --> 01:00:13.233
the end.

01:00:13.974 --> 01:00:16.135
The second question, we already, we knew.

01:00:16.235 --> 01:00:16.836
Yeah, we knew.

01:00:16.896 --> 01:00:17.536
Where it was going.

01:00:17.697 --> 01:00:20.338
And that was like the Bible that Ethan

01:00:20.358 --> 01:00:21.400
showed you at the beginning.

01:00:22.081 --> 01:00:25.422
We had like all the main points in

01:00:25.463 --> 01:00:26.284
the entire arc.

01:00:26.324 --> 01:00:26.463
Yeah.

01:00:26.923 --> 01:00:31.985
we actually have four or three,

01:00:32.005 --> 01:00:33.686
I think it's three.

01:00:33.726 --> 01:00:35.445
So like, there's three, no,

01:00:35.465 --> 01:00:37.447
but there's three full books.

01:00:37.527 --> 01:00:40.228
If this three is a full book.

01:00:40.927 --> 01:00:43.507
We have stories mapped out for two more.

01:00:43.748 --> 01:00:44.489
Yeah.

01:00:44.509 --> 01:00:44.829
Oh, dope.

01:00:45.108 --> 01:00:46.349
I like that.

01:00:47.710 --> 01:00:49.510
Because it builds out the mythology.

01:00:49.650 --> 01:00:49.909
Yeah.

01:00:49.969 --> 01:00:52.971
And we needed to do that to actually

01:00:54.434 --> 01:00:55.855
built to write this.

01:00:55.934 --> 01:00:58.155
So we kind of thought all that through.

01:00:58.936 --> 01:01:00.458
But the second part of your question,

01:01:00.478 --> 01:01:01.699
the three parts,

01:01:01.938 --> 01:01:03.599
I don't think we knew it was three

01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:03.880
parts.

01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:05.181
I think that came organically.

01:01:06.106 --> 01:01:07.186
For this first book.

01:01:07.387 --> 01:01:07.786
Yeah,

01:01:07.867 --> 01:01:09.788
we wrote the chapters and then it was

01:01:10.507 --> 01:01:11.248
trying to find.

01:01:12.009 --> 01:01:12.228
Yeah,

01:01:12.248 --> 01:01:14.269
I guess it came as we were making

01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:15.130
it like the first one.

01:01:15.150 --> 01:01:16.630
Then we would it be two or three

01:01:16.692 --> 01:01:17.572
and then.

01:01:17.632 --> 01:01:18.773
Well, I think we did.

01:01:18.893 --> 01:01:20.172
We did the first one because we were

01:01:20.193 --> 01:01:20.373
like,

01:01:20.393 --> 01:01:21.914
this is how we're going to test the

01:01:21.954 --> 01:01:22.414
waters.

01:01:23.054 --> 01:01:25.036
And we have an arc for like the

01:01:25.115 --> 01:01:25.436
intro.

01:01:26.396 --> 01:01:27.217
And we did that.

01:01:27.597 --> 01:01:28.938
And then when we went to write,

01:01:29.378 --> 01:01:31.119
it took us a bit to write parts

01:01:31.139 --> 01:01:33.420
two and three because of work and other

01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:34.380
things we were doing.

01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:35.422
Yeah, I imagine.

01:01:36.362 --> 01:01:38.322
And so when we sat down and we

01:01:38.402 --> 01:01:40.724
wrote it and we did, we're like,

01:01:41.385 --> 01:01:42.846
we were thinking about the arcs.

01:01:42.985 --> 01:01:43.465
And like I said,

01:01:43.485 --> 01:01:44.606
one hundred and eight pages.

01:01:45.086 --> 01:01:46.748
But that was like the right arc that

01:01:46.768 --> 01:01:47.728
hit the right points.

01:01:48.048 --> 01:01:49.570
And it got the right ending where we're

01:01:49.590 --> 01:01:51.150
like, we can end here.

01:01:51.791 --> 01:01:53.972
And then we're like, what's left?

01:01:54.271 --> 01:01:54.532
That's.

01:01:55.565 --> 01:01:57.286
just one more part we can't stretch it

01:01:57.306 --> 01:01:58.708
out or shrink it anymore so I think

01:01:58.728 --> 01:02:01.030
when we were kind of organically figuring

01:02:01.070 --> 01:02:02.911
that out it just kind of the pieces

01:02:02.971 --> 01:02:04.873
fell like that yeah if we went back

01:02:04.893 --> 01:02:06.853
right now to rewrite it it might only

01:02:06.873 --> 01:02:08.135
be two parts I don't know um I

01:02:08.155 --> 01:02:13.418
don't know yeah no that's really cool I

01:02:13.438 --> 01:02:16.260
I I like the fact that y'all you

01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:17.983
had the beginning you had the end it

01:02:18.003 --> 01:02:18.382
was just

01:02:19.427 --> 01:02:21.789
figuring out how to, okay, arc one,

01:02:21.869 --> 01:02:23.052
arc two, arc three.

01:02:23.112 --> 01:02:25.894
I've seen stories that were arced really

01:02:25.934 --> 01:02:26.394
badly.

01:02:26.896 --> 01:02:29.217
Like they just kind of like abruptly

01:02:29.398 --> 01:02:31.280
stopped and then arc two picked up and

01:02:31.300 --> 01:02:33.742
you're like, this is just the first arc.

01:02:35.063 --> 01:02:36.565
When are you gonna start the second arc?

01:02:36.865 --> 01:02:38.547
Like you're continuing the first.

01:02:39.507 --> 01:02:40.289
Yeah.

01:02:40.309 --> 01:02:41.891
It's kind of like how Netflix is doing

01:02:41.911 --> 01:02:43.152
their TV series right now.

01:02:43.193 --> 01:02:45.476
You know, they give you the part one,

01:02:45.516 --> 01:02:47.798
part two, part three of season five.

01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:48.619
Yeah.

01:02:48.699 --> 01:02:49.561
And you're, you're,

01:02:49.601 --> 01:02:50.963
you're spreading it out so far,

01:02:51.083 --> 01:02:51.925
like stranger things.

01:02:51.965 --> 01:02:53.246
I can't even get into anymore.

01:02:53.927 --> 01:02:55.369
It's been spread out so far.

01:02:56.030 --> 01:02:58.130
like years between seasons i'm like i

01:02:58.150 --> 01:03:00.411
don't even care no more like these kids

01:03:00.452 --> 01:03:03.672
are having kids now you know their

01:03:03.693 --> 01:03:07.695
grandkids you know and i'm just like it

01:03:07.755 --> 01:03:09.376
ruined it because the first like two

01:03:09.396 --> 01:03:11.436
seasons i think were like boom boom and

01:03:11.456 --> 01:03:12.536
then it was like oh it's gonna be

01:03:12.617 --> 01:03:13.978
eighteen months and i'm like

01:03:15.769 --> 01:03:16.911
I'm not even going to cure any team

01:03:16.931 --> 01:03:17.030
lines.

01:03:17.050 --> 01:03:17.590
Yeah.

01:03:18.612 --> 01:03:19.811
Well, mentioning that,

01:03:19.911 --> 01:03:21.193
that was a worry with us,

01:03:21.253 --> 01:03:23.233
like having so much time in between the

01:03:23.293 --> 01:03:24.175
first book and the second,

01:03:24.195 --> 01:03:26.735
but that's another reason that we're going

01:03:26.795 --> 01:03:28.097
to be forging right ahead.

01:03:28.137 --> 01:03:31.797
Like book three is already written.

01:03:31.918 --> 01:03:32.518
We just finished.

01:03:33.458 --> 01:03:33.739
Yeah.

01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:35.740
So our plan is to,

01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:38.161
as soon as like this campaign is done

01:03:38.181 --> 01:03:38.862
and, you know,

01:03:38.922 --> 01:03:40.222
hopefully everything goes really well,

01:03:40.262 --> 01:03:41.322
then like dive into the next one.

01:03:41.342 --> 01:03:41.463
Yeah.

01:03:41.483 --> 01:03:43.204
I like it.

01:03:44.793 --> 01:03:47.557
I like you, Ines.

01:03:47.597 --> 01:03:48.579
We're in it.

01:03:48.699 --> 01:03:49.760
Ideally,

01:03:49.961 --> 01:03:52.306
we would love to put out part three

01:03:52.565 --> 01:03:54.088
end of next summer and just have the

01:03:54.108 --> 01:03:55.911
whole everything done.

01:03:57.514 --> 01:03:58.034
But yeah, we'll see.

01:03:59.056 --> 01:03:59.596
That's awesome.

01:03:59.637 --> 01:04:02.418
So we'll start rolling this up a little

01:04:02.438 --> 01:04:02.659
bit.

01:04:02.998 --> 01:04:04.159
Let's talk a little bit more about the

01:04:04.219 --> 01:04:07.222
Kickstarter campaign starting October the

01:04:07.483 --> 01:04:07.862
eighth.

01:04:08.184 --> 01:04:08.403
Yes.

01:04:09.123 --> 01:04:10.204
And it will go, I'm guessing,

01:04:10.264 --> 01:04:12.706
at thirty days like a normal Kickstarter.

01:04:12.726 --> 01:04:13.748
Do you have it planned for a little

01:04:13.788 --> 01:04:14.268
longer?

01:04:14.628 --> 01:04:16.811
November fourth is when we're ending.

01:04:16.951 --> 01:04:17.490
Yeah.

01:04:17.530 --> 01:04:17.692
Okay.

01:04:17.851 --> 01:04:18.932
So just shy of a month.

01:04:19.092 --> 01:04:19.813
Twenty eight days.

01:04:20.773 --> 01:04:21.855
Twenty eight days.

01:04:21.875 --> 01:04:23.255
We got a national holiday in there with

01:04:23.275 --> 01:04:23.657
Halloween.

01:04:23.677 --> 01:04:25.097
Exactly.

01:04:26.693 --> 01:04:29.634
Yeah, so we'll be running that.

01:04:31.114 --> 01:04:32.193
In the first four to eight hours,

01:04:32.213 --> 01:04:33.994
we got two early bird tiers,

01:04:34.135 --> 01:04:36.474
which would be really good to jump on.

01:04:37.574 --> 01:04:40.235
One will just be for a print version

01:04:40.255 --> 01:04:40.615
of the book,

01:04:40.635 --> 01:04:41.775
and the other one will be a catch

01:04:41.876 --> 01:04:42.016
up,

01:04:42.056 --> 01:04:44.137
where you'll get the new revised part one

01:04:44.177 --> 01:04:46.237
and part two together with a whole slew

01:04:46.257 --> 01:04:49.418
of a hard enamel and a soft enamel

01:04:49.458 --> 01:04:49.898
pin.

01:04:51.878 --> 01:04:53.960
One thing we're going to be doing if

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:54.760
you're in the L.A.

01:04:54.860 --> 01:04:55.300
area,

01:04:55.721 --> 01:04:57.501
we have a bunch of signings coming up

01:04:57.621 --> 01:04:59.842
at four shops.

01:05:02.244 --> 01:05:04.885
And this is only in person, unfortunately,

01:05:05.226 --> 01:05:10.090
but we printed out little mini ink only

01:05:10.269 --> 01:05:12.190
ash cans of Chapter two preview.

01:05:12.411 --> 01:05:13.452
Oh, that's really cool.

01:05:14.164 --> 01:05:17.144
And they're about half the size.

01:05:17.184 --> 01:05:18.025
They're floppies.

01:05:19.306 --> 01:05:21.487
And we're giving those out at our tables

01:05:21.507 --> 01:05:22.786
with the purchase of anything.

01:05:22.806 --> 01:05:24.688
It could be a book, a pin, cards.

01:05:25.268 --> 01:05:26.409
That's really cool.

01:05:26.789 --> 01:05:27.949
We only made fifty of those.

01:05:28.110 --> 01:05:28.989
Yeah.

01:05:29.010 --> 01:05:30.791
So for people who don't know at home,

01:05:31.590 --> 01:05:34.972
this is what essentially an ash can is.

01:05:35.371 --> 01:05:37.253
Only this is a foil ash can.

01:05:38.012 --> 01:05:38.353
Oh, cool.

01:05:39.614 --> 01:05:41.835
duke electric who was just on doing greg

01:05:42.175 --> 01:05:44.137
which is it's a greg it's greg issue

01:05:44.197 --> 01:05:46.217
zero he wanted to start off with a

01:05:46.318 --> 01:05:48.820
prequel then jump into the main story of

01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:50.981
his book so this is basically the birth

01:05:51.021 --> 01:05:53.402
of greg but it's an ash can and

01:05:53.443 --> 01:05:57.824
it's a foil with just the highlights it's

01:05:57.864 --> 01:05:58.266
really cool

01:05:58.990 --> 01:06:00.931
Now, ours will be smaller, but yeah,

01:06:01.532 --> 01:06:03.213
we'll be doing that, which, I mean,

01:06:03.253 --> 01:06:03.992
it's chapter two,

01:06:04.012 --> 01:06:05.293
which you got a sneak peek.

01:06:05.634 --> 01:06:09.275
So then anyone who comes by will be

01:06:09.356 --> 01:06:09.856
able to get this.

01:06:09.976 --> 01:06:11.757
So you're doing miniature size, right?

01:06:12.217 --> 01:06:14.157
Which I noticed here lately has become

01:06:14.217 --> 01:06:15.798
kind of popular again.

01:06:16.099 --> 01:06:18.601
I've noticed Marvel and DC and Dynamite

01:06:18.621 --> 01:06:20.681
and those guys jumping on that bandwagon

01:06:20.722 --> 01:06:23.202
and producing little miniature comic

01:06:23.242 --> 01:06:23.543
books.

01:06:23.943 --> 01:06:24.884
Yeah, that's what it is.

01:06:24.903 --> 01:06:26.786
It just felt right for the convention of

01:06:26.865 --> 01:06:27.005
it.

01:06:27.106 --> 01:06:29.347
And it's really cool just to see the

01:06:29.427 --> 01:06:30.668
artwork with the inks only.

01:06:31.068 --> 01:06:32.550
And also, you know,

01:06:33.110 --> 01:06:36.454
no dialogue bubbles and no sound effects.

01:06:36.514 --> 01:06:39.175
Just, you know, Joe's, you know,

01:06:39.235 --> 01:06:40.677
his ink line work.

01:06:40.836 --> 01:06:41.838
Yeah.

01:06:41.878 --> 01:06:42.878
It's pretty awesome.

01:06:43.318 --> 01:06:44.420
We were pretty, you know,

01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:45.340
it's something we would want.

01:06:45.501 --> 01:06:46.442
So I think that's why we made it.

01:06:46.521 --> 01:06:46.922
Yeah.

01:06:47.802 --> 01:06:49.344
um and again a lot of this at

01:06:49.364 --> 01:06:51.365
the end of the day is we secretly

01:06:51.405 --> 01:06:53.648
do it for ourselves yeah i hope everybody

01:06:53.708 --> 01:06:54.528
else enjoys it too

01:06:55.208 --> 01:06:57.648
Yeah, and again, the idea of just limited.

01:06:57.688 --> 01:06:58.228
We're like, okay,

01:06:58.489 --> 01:07:01.429
we're only doing fifty and that's as many

01:07:01.489 --> 01:07:02.088
as we'll have.

01:07:02.570 --> 01:07:05.969
I will say we are adding a digital

01:07:06.030 --> 01:07:09.771
version of those inks only in one specific

01:07:09.851 --> 01:07:12.552
tier of our rewards tier on the

01:07:12.592 --> 01:07:13.172
Kickstarter.

01:07:13.552 --> 01:07:14.331
So there's that as well,

01:07:14.371 --> 01:07:16.592
but we won't offer it in print on

01:07:16.612 --> 01:07:17.373
the Kickstarter.

01:07:17.512 --> 01:07:17.592
Okay.

01:07:19.217 --> 01:07:19.717
I like it.

01:07:19.757 --> 01:07:21.039
And I know you said you had some

01:07:21.099 --> 01:07:23.139
special awards for the Kickstarter as

01:07:23.179 --> 01:07:23.360
well.

01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:24.440
You have the pins.

01:07:24.980 --> 01:07:28.420
You're doing the tiny comic books for the

01:07:28.521 --> 01:07:29.461
in-person meet and greet.

01:07:29.501 --> 01:07:31.641
I'm guessing you're going to be at four

01:07:31.842 --> 01:07:32.603
LA comic shops.

01:07:32.623 --> 01:07:33.722
Are you going to do a bookstore in

01:07:33.762 --> 01:07:34.182
there?

01:07:34.202 --> 01:07:36.684
We're doing... Well,

01:07:36.724 --> 01:07:38.864
Golden Apple is one of the bigger ones.

01:07:39.244 --> 01:07:40.485
There's two comic bugs.

01:07:40.505 --> 01:07:41.565
And Pulp Fiction.

01:07:41.626 --> 01:07:43.387
And Pulp Fiction Comics in Culver City,

01:07:43.407 --> 01:07:45.567
if anybody knows any of these stores.

01:07:45.606 --> 01:07:46.367
I know Pulp Fiction.

01:07:46.447 --> 01:07:46.728
I think...

01:07:47.572 --> 01:07:49.197
Everybody in comic books has heard of that

01:07:49.297 --> 01:07:49.418
one.

01:07:49.918 --> 01:07:50.179
Yeah,

01:07:50.260 --> 01:07:51.784
so I think we're going to that one

01:07:52.164 --> 01:07:52.726
on the eighth.

01:07:53.579 --> 01:07:54.882
Yeah, I think that's on our launch day.

01:07:54.902 --> 01:07:56.043
The day we launch,

01:07:56.402 --> 01:07:58.425
we're going to be at Pulp Fiction Comics.

01:07:58.605 --> 01:08:01.987
So it'll be fun.

01:08:02.068 --> 01:08:04.831
All the good stuff happens in LA or

01:08:04.931 --> 01:08:06.753
north of me or south of me.

01:08:06.853 --> 01:08:08.914
Nothing ever really good comes here.

01:08:08.934 --> 01:08:10.757
And I don't really blame them because it's

01:08:10.836 --> 01:08:13.179
kind of, you know, but.

01:08:13.579 --> 01:08:15.041
You should start with something.

01:08:15.161 --> 01:08:15.621
Yeah.

01:08:15.721 --> 01:08:16.681
I mean, you started this,

01:08:16.702 --> 01:08:17.563
which is amazing.

01:08:17.622 --> 01:08:18.444
So, you know.

01:08:19.813 --> 01:08:22.514
the idea has crossed my mind because i

01:08:23.194 --> 01:08:25.395
i and a friend of mine they he

01:08:26.216 --> 01:08:28.256
they own one in missouri they have their

01:08:28.337 --> 01:08:31.378
own uh they do anime anime con up

01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:33.659
there and something else i think it's like

01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:35.240
it's a regular like con i don't know

01:08:35.280 --> 01:08:36.721
if they got comic books or not but

01:08:37.322 --> 01:08:39.563
he he's done he's killing it out there

01:08:40.063 --> 01:08:41.823
you know here we have a local comic

01:08:41.844 --> 01:08:45.006
shop our local comic-con but

01:08:46.510 --> 01:08:47.909
i don't do you ever go to comic

01:08:47.930 --> 01:08:51.811
cons or anything like that or like so

01:08:52.731 --> 01:08:54.512
here i don't i don't know how it

01:08:54.573 --> 01:08:58.113
is anywhere else but they advertise it as

01:08:58.154 --> 01:08:59.854
a comic con but it's an everything else

01:08:59.895 --> 01:09:04.176
con comic book like they first off they

01:09:04.195 --> 01:09:05.435
charge us way too much to go in

01:09:05.476 --> 01:09:07.056
and sit up and have a booth and

01:09:07.096 --> 01:09:09.518
stuff like that but um

01:09:11.934 --> 01:09:13.256
there's just not a lot of comic books

01:09:13.315 --> 01:09:13.976
in there anymore.

01:09:13.997 --> 01:09:16.702
It's more geared toward the other stuff

01:09:17.283 --> 01:09:17.904
here lately.

01:09:18.225 --> 01:09:20.128
At least the last few years it's been

01:09:20.168 --> 01:09:20.488
that way.

01:09:21.488 --> 01:09:24.130
San Diego, the big one, has kind of...

01:09:24.189 --> 01:09:24.670
Yes.

01:09:25.350 --> 01:09:26.011
It has gone there.

01:09:26.291 --> 01:09:28.791
Although I was there this past year,

01:09:28.871 --> 01:09:31.912
and a lot of people were remarking how

01:09:31.952 --> 01:09:34.233
there was less of a film and TV

01:09:34.273 --> 01:09:36.333
presence and more just kind of like...

01:09:36.774 --> 01:09:39.354
So SDCC is the first one that announced

01:09:39.375 --> 01:09:40.435
that they were going to try to go

01:09:40.494 --> 01:09:41.815
back to the roots of what made a

01:09:41.876 --> 01:09:43.315
Comic-Con a Comic-Con.

01:09:43.775 --> 01:09:44.657
And I love that.

01:09:44.817 --> 01:09:46.636
I think that is phenomenal.

01:09:47.417 --> 01:09:48.497
And it was one of those where...

01:09:49.358 --> 01:09:51.618
We were talking about that on this podcast

01:09:51.658 --> 01:09:53.239
not that long ago, how we wished,

01:09:53.260 --> 01:09:54.060
you know,

01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:55.701
if you're going to say it's a Comic-Con,

01:09:55.740 --> 01:09:57.221
go back to it being about the comic

01:09:57.282 --> 01:09:57.542
books.

01:09:57.622 --> 01:09:57.981
Yeah,

01:09:58.021 --> 01:10:00.103
a lot of people felt that from talking.

01:10:00.143 --> 01:10:00.842
That's really cool.

01:10:01.103 --> 01:10:02.323
Yeah, they felt that this year.

01:10:02.463 --> 01:10:04.284
And I think NYCC announced something.

01:10:04.425 --> 01:10:05.845
Hopefully they do the same thing.

01:10:05.926 --> 01:10:06.365
Cool.

01:10:07.030 --> 01:10:09.332
LA Comic Con is this weekend,

01:10:09.351 --> 01:10:11.913
so I don't know how we'll see how

01:10:11.934 --> 01:10:12.514
that goes.

01:10:12.613 --> 01:10:14.135
WonderCon and Anaheim.

01:10:14.335 --> 01:10:14.715
We've been there.

01:10:14.755 --> 01:10:19.297
Then you've got DragonCon up there, too.

01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:21.158
We haven't been to DragonCon.

01:10:21.179 --> 01:10:24.661
There's some good ones up there.

01:10:25.942 --> 01:10:26.641
Yeah, there's a lot.

01:10:26.822 --> 01:10:28.342
You have to travel the five, though.

01:10:29.203 --> 01:10:30.765
Yeah.

01:10:30.824 --> 01:10:31.244
Honestly,

01:10:31.284 --> 01:10:33.046
driving anywhere in LA just takes like

01:10:33.105 --> 01:10:34.466
four years.

01:10:34.606 --> 01:10:35.207
I imagine.

01:10:35.466 --> 01:10:35.948
Regardless.

01:10:39.505 --> 01:10:42.426
So, well, actually, you answered that one.

01:10:42.487 --> 01:10:43.587
I was going to ask you if there's

01:10:43.627 --> 01:10:45.409
a way for people to catch up on

01:10:45.449 --> 01:10:46.090
the first book.

01:10:46.490 --> 01:10:47.851
And you said there's going to be an

01:10:47.872 --> 01:10:49.693
early bird special within the first four

01:10:49.712 --> 01:10:50.474
to eight hours.

01:10:52.295 --> 01:10:53.376
So let me ask this.

01:10:53.395 --> 01:10:55.677
How important is community support for

01:10:55.818 --> 01:10:57.259
indie projects like y'alls?

01:10:57.698 --> 01:10:58.960
And what does it mean for you when

01:10:59.020 --> 01:11:01.101
fans back your vision?

01:11:01.181 --> 01:11:01.362
I mean,

01:11:01.381 --> 01:11:02.722
I know this is not your first one.

01:11:02.762 --> 01:11:04.364
This is your second rodeo on this.

01:11:04.444 --> 01:11:06.886
But how is this for y'all?

01:11:07.619 --> 01:11:08.380
I mean, I think it's,

01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:10.780
it's everything when they, when they bag,

01:11:10.841 --> 01:11:13.841
it's, it's the only thing it's like, it's,

01:11:13.942 --> 01:11:14.402
um, I mean,

01:11:14.502 --> 01:11:16.762
obviously it's so needed for the success

01:11:16.802 --> 01:11:17.603
of the campaign,

01:11:17.643 --> 01:11:21.043
but also it's just everything also for,

01:11:21.064 --> 01:11:22.003
uh, you know,

01:11:22.043 --> 01:11:23.305
getting the book out there and,

01:11:23.465 --> 01:11:26.565
and just validating that people love the

01:11:26.645 --> 01:11:28.485
story and the characters and,

01:11:28.646 --> 01:11:30.926
and it getting out into people's hands.

01:11:31.186 --> 01:11:31.887
It's everything.

01:11:31.908 --> 01:11:32.087
For,

01:11:32.127 --> 01:11:34.488
for any indie stuff like this community is

01:11:34.547 --> 01:11:35.229
make or break.

01:11:35.288 --> 01:11:35.689
It really is.

01:11:35.769 --> 01:11:35.828
Um,

01:11:37.403 --> 01:11:37.662
you know,

01:11:37.722 --> 01:11:40.166
engaging with people and hearing their

01:11:40.206 --> 01:11:41.065
reactions.

01:11:41.327 --> 01:11:44.128
And that's why we focus so much on

01:11:44.189 --> 01:11:45.711
like when we write to make sure these

01:11:45.751 --> 01:11:50.375
characters have, they emote, you know,

01:11:50.734 --> 01:11:53.037
and you see their journey so that maybe

01:11:53.177 --> 01:11:55.279
someone can connect with that aspect of

01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:57.221
this one character or that character.

01:11:57.782 --> 01:12:00.243
You know, and I'll tell you what,

01:12:00.323 --> 01:12:01.063
in part two,

01:12:01.103 --> 01:12:02.823
you start to see that a lot of

01:12:02.844 --> 01:12:04.524
different characters start to have

01:12:04.585 --> 01:12:05.505
emotional arcs.

01:12:06.145 --> 01:12:07.206
So it's not, you know,

01:12:07.365 --> 01:12:09.367
not just the main two.

01:12:09.426 --> 01:12:10.908
So there's a lot of things for people

01:12:10.927 --> 01:12:12.247
to latch on to in this universe.

01:12:12.287 --> 01:12:14.488
And we hope that brings them in into

01:12:14.529 --> 01:12:16.470
our community and we can talk about it.

01:12:16.832 --> 01:12:18.773
And yeah, and the community support is,

01:12:18.872 --> 01:12:19.832
is really everything.

01:12:19.932 --> 01:12:21.653
So if, you know, if you,

01:12:21.733 --> 01:12:22.274
if you can,

01:12:22.314 --> 01:12:24.173
whoever like is listening to this,

01:12:24.213 --> 01:12:24.953
watching this,

01:12:24.974 --> 01:12:27.774
like check it out or also like share,

01:12:27.814 --> 01:12:28.814
you know, and if you like it,

01:12:28.914 --> 01:12:29.676
please share.

01:12:29.975 --> 01:12:32.456
What was amazing after our first campaign

01:12:32.555 --> 01:12:33.337
is, you know,

01:12:33.377 --> 01:12:34.636
obviously like friends and people,

01:12:34.676 --> 01:12:36.096
you know, saying that they enjoy it,

01:12:36.136 --> 01:12:37.578
but when you hear from someone who you

01:12:37.637 --> 01:12:37.917
actually

01:12:38.466 --> 01:12:40.228
you don't know and they send you a

01:12:40.287 --> 01:12:42.588
message um you know complimenting it or

01:12:42.609 --> 01:12:43.788
saying what it meant to them or how

01:12:43.809 --> 01:12:45.770
much they enjoyed it like what yeah when

01:12:45.930 --> 01:12:47.190
you said at the beginning like that's

01:12:47.610 --> 01:12:49.412
that's everything too that's like a great

01:12:49.671 --> 01:12:52.252
amazing book one we did a a very

01:12:52.372 --> 01:12:55.595
limited versions of draw me in where you

01:12:55.614 --> 01:12:58.636
know we would draw yeah or two and

01:12:58.676 --> 01:13:00.136
someone reached out to us and was

01:13:00.176 --> 01:13:01.917
delighted with it because we like

01:13:02.877 --> 01:13:03.819
We didn't just draw them in.

01:13:03.838 --> 01:13:06.180
We printed out on really nice paper,

01:13:06.220 --> 01:13:07.100
like art paper,

01:13:07.381 --> 01:13:09.322
so they could frame that as well.

01:13:09.341 --> 01:13:10.002
And we sent it to them.

01:13:10.203 --> 01:13:12.003
And they were very happy.

01:13:12.024 --> 01:13:13.265
And that kind of made, you know,

01:13:13.725 --> 01:13:14.586
it was a big deal for us.

01:13:14.666 --> 01:13:16.726
And we're going to do that again.

01:13:16.787 --> 01:13:18.708
It's a limited amount, of course,

01:13:18.788 --> 01:13:20.510
but that's another tier as well.

01:13:20.529 --> 01:13:21.451
Draw yourself in.

01:13:21.930 --> 01:13:23.692
Or we had someone, you know,

01:13:23.992 --> 01:13:26.613
draw in a business last time.

01:13:26.634 --> 01:13:27.255
That's cool too, yeah.

01:13:28.274 --> 01:13:29.775
we say if you can buy real estate

01:13:29.796 --> 01:13:31.895
in the metaverse why can't you buy real

01:13:31.935 --> 01:13:34.896
estate within shockhead peter it's a true

01:13:34.936 --> 01:13:37.658
story i just seen somebody who does ai

01:13:37.717 --> 01:13:39.979
music get a three million dollar record

01:13:40.019 --> 01:13:42.458
deal today which i thought was complete

01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:46.180
bullshit yeah but at the same time but

01:13:46.699 --> 01:13:49.921
there's a market i mean if the market

01:13:49.961 --> 01:13:51.681
is there and there's somebody who's going

01:13:51.702 --> 01:13:55.403
to capitalize on it well capitalism right

01:13:56.015 --> 01:13:57.539
No AI was used in the making of

01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:58.282
Shotgun Peter.

01:13:58.301 --> 01:14:00.766
No, I don't hear what anybody says.

01:14:01.028 --> 01:14:03.694
AI don't create the lines that your artist

01:14:03.713 --> 01:14:06.100
created on the cover of that book.

01:14:07.314 --> 01:14:10.738
Joe takes a lot of care to give

01:14:10.778 --> 01:14:14.400
the handmade feel of his art,

01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:15.902
and you can see it.

01:14:15.921 --> 01:14:18.503
He even does paint splatter throughout

01:14:18.543 --> 01:14:19.244
pages.

01:14:19.725 --> 01:14:22.266
He makes it feel very raw,

01:14:22.447 --> 01:14:25.269
like you weren't supposed to read these

01:14:25.309 --> 01:14:26.609
pages, but you found them.

01:14:27.951 --> 01:14:28.532
It's awesome.

01:14:28.551 --> 01:14:29.832
He's brilliant.

01:14:29.853 --> 01:14:30.073
Yeah.

01:14:30.493 --> 01:14:32.114
I'm so happy y'all found him to do

01:14:32.154 --> 01:14:35.176
this book because he fits this book

01:14:35.216 --> 01:14:35.797
perfectly.

01:14:36.198 --> 01:14:38.359
We need to get him on to some

01:14:38.420 --> 01:14:39.381
of these podcasts.

01:14:42.884 --> 01:14:43.864
You brought that up.

01:14:45.485 --> 01:14:46.006
I think his name is,

01:14:46.207 --> 01:14:47.228
he goes by Heatstroke.

01:14:48.716 --> 01:14:51.458
the artist who does uh ben lacy's shark

01:14:51.498 --> 01:14:54.579
of war okay like i was complimenting the

01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:56.621
artist because to ben i was like hey

01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:58.841
you know he he made a shark have

01:14:58.862 --> 01:15:01.783
emotions a creature that is not known to

01:15:02.064 --> 01:15:05.525
protrude emotions but he was able to keep

01:15:05.565 --> 01:15:08.487
it a menacing as a shark but portray

01:15:08.506 --> 01:15:09.408
its emotions

01:15:10.368 --> 01:15:12.310
and i sent that clip to ben for

01:15:12.350 --> 01:15:15.372
him and um when we were talking about

01:15:15.431 --> 01:15:19.255
it and um like the very next day

01:15:19.654 --> 01:15:21.296
the guy he's like hey it's me i'm

01:15:21.317 --> 01:15:23.759
the artist i was like oh cool dude

01:15:23.918 --> 01:15:25.720
i'm like you want to come on and

01:15:25.739 --> 01:15:26.320
talk about it

01:15:26.940 --> 01:15:28.341
I love to have artists on.

01:15:28.381 --> 01:15:29.502
That's how I met Fran,

01:15:29.904 --> 01:15:33.646
who does the Videlirium comic book.

01:15:33.686 --> 01:15:35.047
He's going to be back next month,

01:15:35.068 --> 01:15:36.349
and we're going to be having a big...

01:15:36.368 --> 01:15:40.851
Just talking about horror comic books.

01:15:40.891 --> 01:15:41.712
We're just going to talk about horror

01:15:41.733 --> 01:15:43.675
comic books because that's what we both

01:15:43.734 --> 01:15:46.077
really love is horror comic books.

01:15:46.096 --> 01:15:49.038
There's a lot of good stuff out there.

01:15:49.118 --> 01:15:50.000
If he wants to come on,

01:15:50.020 --> 01:15:51.001
I'd love to have him on.

01:15:51.020 --> 01:15:52.060
That's awesome.

01:15:52.081 --> 01:15:52.582
We'll tell him.

01:15:53.382 --> 01:15:56.104
He's

01:15:56.891 --> 01:15:58.634
Eight hours, nine hours ahead of us.

01:15:58.673 --> 01:16:00.296
From us, nine hours.

01:16:00.315 --> 01:16:01.637
Maybe only six.

01:16:01.957 --> 01:16:03.319
I made it work for New Zealand.

01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:05.381
I can make it work for Italy.

01:16:05.402 --> 01:16:05.742
Right, right.

01:16:07.184 --> 01:16:07.604
Yeah.

01:16:07.625 --> 01:16:09.046
I do interviews in the UK all the

01:16:09.086 --> 01:16:09.447
time.

01:16:10.247 --> 01:16:11.708
So, I mean,

01:16:11.769 --> 01:16:13.572
it's like four or five hours ahead of

01:16:13.631 --> 01:16:13.752
me,

01:16:13.792 --> 01:16:15.554
whereas y'all are four hours behind me.

01:16:16.403 --> 01:16:17.884
So it's just now getting dinner time where

01:16:17.904 --> 01:16:18.203
y'all are at.

01:16:18.224 --> 01:16:18.264
So.

01:16:18.283 --> 01:16:18.444
Oh, nice.

01:16:18.463 --> 01:16:18.543
Yeah.

01:16:18.564 --> 01:16:19.524
I mean,

01:16:21.225 --> 01:16:22.085
we could totally reach out to him.

01:16:22.125 --> 01:16:22.465
Yeah.

01:16:22.845 --> 01:16:24.185
If he wants, if he's interested in,

01:16:24.225 --> 01:16:24.926
he wants to do it,

01:16:24.945 --> 01:16:26.127
then I would love to have him on.

01:16:26.146 --> 01:16:26.707
Oh, awesome.

01:16:27.547 --> 01:16:28.127
Yeah.

01:16:28.207 --> 01:16:28.507
Yeah.

01:16:28.528 --> 01:16:28.807
He's,

01:16:29.307 --> 01:16:31.849
and obviously like our book is one of

01:16:31.908 --> 01:16:33.229
the books that,

01:16:33.270 --> 01:16:34.989
but he's done a couple other things since

01:16:35.131 --> 01:16:35.831
like he,

01:16:36.451 --> 01:16:39.091
just he sent us this uh italian graphic

01:16:39.152 --> 01:16:41.514
novel he just did called malerva yeah and

01:16:41.573 --> 01:16:44.435
it looks amazing yeah it's some sort of

01:16:44.494 --> 01:16:47.117
like dante's inferno horror oh that's

01:16:47.136 --> 01:16:48.796
really cool yeah do you want to check

01:16:48.837 --> 01:16:51.059
out another really good one check out

01:16:51.118 --> 01:16:53.500
don't run with scissors it's done by the

01:16:53.579 --> 01:16:56.381
king spy and it's brilliant it's done by

01:16:56.400 --> 01:16:58.582
an italian artist as well cool don't run

01:16:58.601 --> 01:17:00.203
with scissors i wonder if he knows but

01:17:00.222 --> 01:17:02.003
we'll check that out that sounds cool yeah

01:17:02.024 --> 01:17:03.904
it's got to be a small community there

01:17:04.164 --> 01:17:05.365
so i imagine

01:17:05.666 --> 01:17:07.506
Like Luanna, I know she's from there.

01:17:09.207 --> 01:17:12.368
Like Tula the Toy, I think she's British.

01:17:13.128 --> 01:17:14.429
So there's a lot of really,

01:17:14.509 --> 01:17:17.630
really good European artists that have

01:17:17.670 --> 01:17:18.930
literally, in my eyes,

01:17:19.190 --> 01:17:21.311
burst onto the scene recently.

01:17:21.612 --> 01:17:24.592
I don't know if that was just me

01:17:24.613 --> 01:17:28.213
being stuck like this for a while and

01:17:28.234 --> 01:17:30.635
then expanding out, but...

01:17:32.492 --> 01:17:33.672
twenty twenty five has been a year of

01:17:33.693 --> 01:17:36.275
discovery for me in terms of like comic

01:17:36.315 --> 01:17:37.936
books and then getting to meet people like

01:17:37.976 --> 01:17:38.237
you,

01:17:38.698 --> 01:17:41.399
like Ethan and Jessica and everybody else.

01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:42.881
I've got the pleasure to interview this

01:17:42.921 --> 01:17:43.202
year.

01:17:43.922 --> 01:17:46.204
It's been very awesome.

01:17:47.085 --> 01:17:48.646
It's been very awesome having y'all on

01:17:49.046 --> 01:17:49.908
before I let you go.

01:17:49.927 --> 01:17:51.248
Why don't you tell everybody where they

01:17:51.269 --> 01:17:53.650
can find y'all and also when they can,

01:17:53.952 --> 01:17:56.234
you know, your Kickstarter will drop.

01:17:58.250 --> 01:18:01.453
You can find me on social media anywhere.

01:18:01.512 --> 01:18:04.355
My handle is EBK from LA,

01:18:04.775 --> 01:18:07.378
pretty much on any social media.

01:18:08.293 --> 01:18:10.895
yeah for me uh i'm i'm mostly on

01:18:10.975 --> 01:18:15.000
instagram um so or i guess um you

01:18:15.020 --> 01:18:18.381
could find me at jess underscore silvetti

01:18:18.842 --> 01:18:20.484
so it's just like my name spelled like

01:18:20.503 --> 01:18:22.125
my name and as far as the book

01:18:22.164 --> 01:18:24.587
goes uh we would say just go to

01:18:24.667 --> 01:18:28.189
shock headed to the number two dot com

01:18:28.451 --> 01:18:29.692
that'll take you straight to the

01:18:29.752 --> 01:18:32.514
kickstarter um and in the kickstarter

01:18:32.533 --> 01:18:33.914
preview there's a bunch of links if you

01:18:33.935 --> 01:18:35.856
want to go back and find part one

01:18:36.436 --> 01:18:38.538
or just wait until october eighth and grab

01:18:38.559 --> 01:18:40.760
all the goodies yeah that's when it

01:18:40.819 --> 01:18:42.981
launches on the eighth and we'll wrap up

01:18:43.122 --> 01:18:47.024
on november fourth awesome guys i want to

01:18:47.043 --> 01:18:49.105
thank both of y'all for coming on this

01:18:49.126 --> 01:18:51.587
has meant the world to me have y'all

01:18:51.726 --> 01:18:53.509
on and to talk about shock edit peter

01:18:53.548 --> 01:18:57.570
book two um spread the word we're i'm

01:18:57.610 --> 01:19:01.274
here to celebrate kickstarters and

01:19:01.434 --> 01:19:03.354
independent comic books all over the world

01:19:04.136 --> 01:19:04.395
um

01:19:06.363 --> 01:19:06.523
Yeah.

01:19:06.563 --> 01:19:08.824
So October eight, shock headed.

01:19:08.864 --> 01:19:09.485
Peter drops,

01:19:09.765 --> 01:19:12.648
go give Ethan and Jess a follow.

01:19:12.667 --> 01:19:14.869
They are awesome people with an awesome

01:19:14.909 --> 01:19:15.690
book coming out.

01:19:16.091 --> 01:19:17.412
And it's this point in time where I

01:19:17.452 --> 01:19:20.395
want to welcome y'all both to the council

01:19:20.475 --> 01:19:23.957
of nerds and let you know that shock

01:19:23.997 --> 01:19:24.278
headed.

01:19:24.318 --> 01:19:27.159
Peter is USDN approved.

01:19:27.461 --> 01:19:29.722
Thank you so much.

01:19:29.743 --> 01:19:30.762
Thank you.

01:19:30.804 --> 01:19:31.203
Thank you.

01:19:31.224 --> 01:19:33.365
So with that, everybody,

01:19:34.434 --> 01:19:36.916
I want to send everybody out with a

01:19:38.155 --> 01:19:40.618
good night and appreciate y'all.

01:19:40.637 --> 01:19:42.939
If y'all came on and watch this live

01:19:42.958 --> 01:19:43.340
tonight,

01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:46.141
this video will drop next week on all

01:19:46.181 --> 01:19:49.182
podcasts and platforms and on YouTube.

01:19:49.203 --> 01:19:50.024
And with that, everybody,

01:19:50.743 --> 01:19:51.545
we are out of here.

01:20:29.990 --> 01:20:30.212
Thank you.