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Nashville who will dog it

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sometimes, and they'll just be
like, Oh, I hate DW. I'm like,

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Why? Why? Because it's

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a drum that practically tunes
itself and always sounds

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consistently good and has sexy
finishes and has an amazing

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corporate culture. And so

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whenever somebody, when I see
on, especially on the Nashville

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drummer page, you know,
somebody's just going, we're

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just talking about the last
episode, how they hate DW for

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whatever reason. As soon as they
do, I look, I go, That guy's

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never toured, or he's never done
a fly date. And if you ever get

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dw, if you have a backline, if
you fly, and there's a backline

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kit, your options are Pearl,
Yamaha dw, maybe tama, maybe

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Gretch, probably not. And so,
you know, it's available all

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over the world. The Big Three.
Those are Yamaha pearl. This is

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the rich Redmond show. Your

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guests are always like, Are we
recording? And you're like, Oh

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yeah, we've started, yeah,

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yeah. Like, what we're doing
now? Oh yes. Have

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we started? Yeah, yeah,

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and we've started.

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But obviously we're going to
leave out the part about we

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that's,

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that's not part record. Oh, we
just have talked about a million

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things off record that would
just be so entertaining, but

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they're off record, guys, okay,
that's right,

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there's a reason why they're off
record, okay? And the thing is

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that you have to make them off
record, but they're fun things

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to talk about, but they kid us
cannot see the light of day. No,

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they just can't.

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That's right, that's right, I
just can't. But it was just so

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entertaining for me. Now, this
gentleman that we have in studio

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today, I don't know if you're
assuming, if you're keeping him

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behind the digital curtain right
now, but I'm just so excited to

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introduce him, because we have
been trying this for a year, but

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he's so busy. It's actually a
resume. I am, like, in awe of

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this. I don't know. It's only 24
hours in the day, hailing from a

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small town in Wisconsin and
calling Nashville home since

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2012 I mean, look at this. This
guy is going between all these

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amazing gigs a decade with
Grammy Award winning Scott Stapp

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of the band creed. He's a
founding member of the of the

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pop punk band Amber Pacific.
They're celebrating 20 years.

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He's also been doing dates with
Hawthorne Heights, killer band,

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long time, long time member of
the platinum selling worship

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band, Sonic flood. And then he
plays with grace. Got bands like

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red fire flight, super chick,
all time, low David Cook and the

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country world. He's out there
with Mark Willis, Craig

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Campbell, Josh Grayson, the swan
brothers, Tim Duggar, he studied

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music with Chester Thompson and
Brian fullin at Belmont

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University, talking about our
friend dango Kellen. What's up?

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Man, hey, thank you for having
me. Yeah, no, I've got to get to

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rock, dude. It is just a long
time coming. Mad respect. Man, I

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mean, you are slapping back
beats all over the world for

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just a wide variety of artists.
Man, congratulations. Thank you.

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You're doing it. You're living
the dream. Man,

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I'm so thankful I'm living the
dream, but the goal is to do it

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with one artist, yeah, able to
pay all your bills. Yeah, I've

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got a friend Rich who does that,

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but you have the hustle. And
that's, there's something that's

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so exciting about the hustle and
having to, like, hunt and gather

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for your living, and then you
balance that. I mean, you gotta,

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you got a new family, you got a
new house. You're doing drum

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tracks from your studio, you're
teaching. I mean, there's moss

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is not growing under your feet.

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That's true. I do hustle, and
anybody who lives in Nashville

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can appreciate that, because we
kind of all do that, no matter

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what instrument you play, or if
you're studio guy or whatever.

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Live guy, studio guy, engineer
player like that's what we

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respect about this community, is
guys and girls hustle, and they

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know how to work, and they'll do
it day after day after day until

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you see some fruit from it. So
I'm super thankful that I've

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been, I guess, building this
things long enough year after

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year to where they're finally
coming to fruition, and I'm able

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to juggle it, because just
finishing a two month tour is

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long, but I'm gonna jump into
lessons tomorrow, and probably a

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session tomorrow, then I'm do a
Broadway shift tomorrow night,

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Broadway shift Friday, and
that's just how that's how we

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lessons sessions, Broadway. Now
this is interesting concept,

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because Jim and I talk about
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idea of doing Broadway in
general, because there's a lot

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of like, young bucks that are
moving to town that are very

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opinionated, like, Oh, I'll do
that. Or they're like, No way,

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I'm not gonna do that. And then
there's, you know, there's guys

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like me, where it's like, you
know, I started touring, and

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then I never went back down
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like, four huge gigs, and then
you'll go down there and work,

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work the muscle, make the money,
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it, but isn't like the Broadway
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now, right? Well,

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what's your thoughts on that?

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Because we'll give you my take,
and I'm not, because there's

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three stages

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down there. First of all, I
gotta say, on camera, dude, you

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look like an MMA fighter. Okay,

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maybe that's another I've been
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it is colorful. I love it. Dude,
thanks.

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You look like you're about you.
Be able to freaking choke hold

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us anytime you watch

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the MMA, no. And I've never been
in a fight in my life, so I

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know me too. I get out of my
fights with humor. I believe

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that for you, you know what I
do, I take a look. No, there's a

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guy that's coming up to me and
he's sticking out his chest, and

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he's usually taller than me. I'm
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me up. I'm half your size. MFR,
and then they just start feeling

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really bad about themselves, and
they just shuffle away. How

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often does that happen? Couple
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witnessed it. Never become
friends by the end of that

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recently, though, no, not
recently. Yeah, you can't, you

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can't risk your hands. Oh no,
yeah, dude, cut my hand 25 days

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ago. Five stitches right here on
the money maker, the backbeat

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money maker, right where the
stick sits in your fulcrum, and

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my whole career flashed before
my eyes, and the miracle of the

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human body and modern medicine,
I am so pleased right now.

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That's great. Stuff is scary. So
Broadway, yes, okay, so I got

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into it just before the
pandemic, maybe like 2018 I was

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pretty late to it when I came
here and went to Belmont, I

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didn't like country. I wasn't
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I was living in Seattle, playing
in that punk band I was looking

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to move back, I started watching
CMT. My kind of party was one of

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the I've never told you. This
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are you gonna kiss me or not,
which conveniently, you played

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on both those songs. Wow. But
both of those videos had

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tattooed guys in them. And I was
like, Well, this is pretty

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catchy. This is like, rock.
There's just a southern accent.

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I could get used to this. I
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specifically made me start
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when I moved so that would have
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something, right about the time
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in there. So I moved back down
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get into country. So I started
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still didn't even dabble in
Broadway yet, because you got to

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know a zillion songs. But I got
my first road gig with Craig

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Campbell, like 2013 and he was a
country dude. He only sang

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country. He hated rock. He hated
my tattoos. Oh, really, yeah,

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back then, especially now he's
got a sleeve. We've joked No

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way, yeah, but he used to call
me sleeves. Anyways, this is so

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this is leading into my
Broadway. So I went from him to

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like, Swan brothers, Josh
Grayson and kind of all the

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country gigs I landed were all
like country people, not bro

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country not like guys that
wanted rock guys. They were all

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like, pretty real country
singers. So I started just

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studying and studying. I was
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into Broadway, like this, 200
songs to get started. And and,

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yeah, I knew Johnny Cash, but I
didn't really know Merle

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Haggard, and I didn't know
Willie, and I didn't know Hank

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and so I started learning the
stuff, and I jumped in. And my

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first couple gigs is, like, you
make 150 bucks and you're

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sleeping your own bed. You're
like, well, that's not bad. You

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know, some of the road gigs
don't pay that much better than

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that. So I started getting into
it. And I will say now I do it

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where I'm pretty selective, and
I play with people I want to

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nice that I either know we're
gonna make money or I just know

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they're really good, and so I
enjoy it. So it's fun people,

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music wise. But I'll tell you,
Broadway has probably changed so

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much because I talked to older
guys than me who were like, we

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used to do it for $63 a shift,
or $48 a shift. You know, I'm

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thinking, I don't know that. I
want to work four hours for

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that, but I can be down there on
a weekend, play with a good

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band, and now I'm actually play
with one regularly, and we can

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make three to 500 bucks a shift,
which is great money for playing

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in town.

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Four hours dollars to stay in
town and sleep in your own bed

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is great. And when we play

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kid rocks, we can kill it on a
shift and make 800 or $1,000 a

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man with a six piece band, it's
awesome. And only make $100 base

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and still make that. So that's
pretty amazing. But when I look

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at us as road guy, like, Yeah,
I'd done the road 15 years

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before Broadway, there was this
huge discrepancy of, like, your

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road guy, you're a Broadway guy.
Road guys are too good for

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Broadway guys. Broadway guys
work way harder than road guys.

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There was just always this
tension. Tension. Now everybody

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does everything they kind of do.
And the pandemic made guys do

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that, just like home recording.
But now that I've done it, I can

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tell you there's so many great
players down there, and I've

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played with guys down there who
I'm like, You're unbelievable.

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Why are you not on the road? And
they're like, I'm not gonna go

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play for 300 bucks out of town
when I can stay home and make

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five and sleep in my bed. Thank
you tourism. Yeah. And so you

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really have to wait, because now
I say, I've seen great players

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on the road, I've seen great
players in town, and there's

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just guys and girls doing it on
both ends of the spectrum. And

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I'm like, I don't see why you
don't do both, if you can. Yeah,

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the hard thing is, I'm gone so
much that I end up losing gigs

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in town, and gigs in town wants
you to stay home and say, don't

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take that road thing. Stay here
for Broadway. And I'm like, I

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get that. But at the same time,
I didn't move here just to do

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Broadway. I'm not knocking it,
but no, I love that you're

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sprinkling in it, yeah. And to
me, it's like, well, if I have a

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family and I want to provide
playing drums, then I'm not too

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proud to do any of it, just
like, teach the lessons

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tomorrow, do a session from my
spot, then go play a gig. I

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might make 700 bucks tomorrow,
but I didn't make anything

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today. So to me, it kind of
balances out, like, that's a

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good you know, every couple
days, if you can do that, or if

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I teach three or four lessons
tomorrow, gig, the next day,

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whatever, I just try to do
something

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six days a week. Bring that mic
a little bit closer. We want to

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hear what you're saying. I just
try

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to do something about six days a
week where I'm making money,

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yeah, and I'll work a seventh.
But I'm really trying to get

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better about resting one of the
day a day of rest. And you

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have. Have a new family? Yes,
and I'm looking at, I, I'm not

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gonna tell anybody what it is,
but I'm so happy that you are

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charging more than $1 a minute
for a drum lesson, because I

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harp on this all the time, yeah,
a masseuse studies for six

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months to a year, and they
charge $1 a minute, and then

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they get, usually get a $20 tip.
So they make $80 an hour. And

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they do that multiple times a
day, multiple days. Pause,

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right? My wife is a massage
former massage therapist, but

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her education is only that's the
proper term, by the way. What's

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that? Massage Therapist? Did I
say masseuse? No, sorry, so, but

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I love Courtney, but what I'm
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$1 man, she's It's a dog. Now

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she's retired because her
freaking fingers are going all

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different directions, but it
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you know, she got paid 175

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in Vegas. Well, that's
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yeah, but I agree

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with you. I think that, you
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disparity to understanding what
your value is. And a lot of

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people in the creative realm
like to spout, especially in the

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voiceover realm, know your
worth, know your value. Nobody

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cares, yeah, until you can
articulate and sell the value.

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Yeah, okay, and make you know,
it happened to me yesterday.

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Somebody wanted me to, want to,
you know, Ben, to go out and

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shoot for and only get paid for
two hours. I'm like, No, it's a

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half day minimum. Shoot, video,
shoot, video, yeah. And I said,

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that's what we charge. It's a
reasonable rate. Well, you can

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get it done in two hours. I'm
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there's setup, there's the shoot
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coming back and unpacking
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not just two hours, it's eight,
yeah, yeah, no. But i i champion

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that, because we talk about this
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this race to the bottom, and a
bunch of creative, creative

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people. You've got 30 years
experience of playing the drums.

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So whoever's taking a drum
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getting some, you know, new guy,
that's just, you know, they show

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you the syncopate. I mean, you
got all the time in the

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trenches. That's great. So I
like that.

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Thanks. I feel like I'm very
reasonable. I'm $40 for a half

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hour, which is you can go to
Guitar Center, yeah. And so I

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just look at it like, and I
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anytime a parent asks me about
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playing professionally 20 years.
I've been teaching 15. So I'm

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hoping you're buying my
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learning a paradiddle like I'm
trying to keep your kid. I'm

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trying to guide them along the
way with some mentoring as a

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person and skill sets beyond
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the drums, and if you can't
afford it, I totally understand

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that, because not every family
can, but for my time, I can't,

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you know, I'm not doing $20
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have a family, and most people
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But the thing is, is making them
realizing I'm helping you solve

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a problem that you have, which
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me, I typically find that the
parents don't have to fight them

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to go to the lesson. Yeah, they
look forward to me. They look

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forward to it. They enjoy the
lesson. They you know, I'm good

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with kids. You know what I mean,
huge. Because I mean, how many

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times I had to fight my kids?
You got time for guitar? I don't

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should. So

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do you ease them into it where
you're like, hey, we're gonna

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play back in black, and then
I'll show you why this is

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important skill to have it. Or
do you start them with the

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traditional pedagogy? This is
how you hold the stick. Here's a

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flam here's a paradiddle. Here's
page 38 of the syncopation. And

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then eventually we'll get to
rock and roll. I

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kind of jump in wherever they
are at already. Most kids, if

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they want to take lessons, they
can either already play a basic

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beat, or they're excited about
it, or their parents wouldn't

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try it. So I try to start them
with. Practical things. It's not

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as conventional. It's not all
those things you said. And I

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wish it was a little more of
that, because I I'm more

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unstructured, and I sort of do
different things for every kid.

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I don't have, like, this is the
day curriculum that we're all

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doing. Yeah, it's like, I've got
a book for different kids, and I

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just keep building off whatever
they're working on. So that's

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cool. One kids, you know, on six
eight for six weeks or 10 weeks,

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and one kid's like, we're doing
some basic Latin, and another

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kid's like, well, we're still
working on that paradiddle, and

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you don't have it yet. So yeah,
it's just kind of, I just kind

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of go with wherever they're at.
I keep pushing them. And then

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there's always one or two my
students that are really good,

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who are either, like, one just
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that felt like a huge success,
because I probably had him for

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10 years, right? But you have a
couple like that who are just

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always pushing you, like, Okay,
I gotta come up with some stuff

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this week. So I'll sit down in
my practice time and go, right,

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what am I gonna teach him? And
it's usually, re, you know, I'm

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usually rehashing something that
Chester or Brian, one of my

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teachers taught me, or something
I got on, you know, you're

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standing on the shoulders of
giants, yeah, yeah. It's like, I

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have so much to draw from. And
my thing is, how do I get this

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kid, student, adult? All I've
got to do is get them to the

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next level and still be excited
about drums. That's the is

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it about finding out their why?
You know, like when I took

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lessons once upon a time, many,
many, many decades ago, I wanted

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to, I self taught a lot of what
I know. And at one time I, you

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know, everything was just very
linear in the way I played. And

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then I saw, like, Neil Peart
play in a show of hands, and his

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drum solo, he was accenting. And
I was like, what is that? You

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know, he's like, he's doing
these little, like, soft notes

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in between, yeah? And it's like,
I had no idea what it was, but I

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had the, I'm like, I want to
learn that. That sounds cool.

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The Why was established, you
know what I mean? So I just, you

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know, I sat down and my drum set
downstairs, and I was like,

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okay, that's Yeah, and it's
getting the uncomfortable, you

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know. And then, and then started
understanding accents and stuff

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like that, understanding the why
of paradiddles to let them okay,

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when you master this, look, what
you can do is that how you

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approach it? I do

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that a lot, where I'll show them
sped up, like this is what we're

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going to do with this, or this
is something around the kit.

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Here's a few fills to do with
it, but I say this is why we're

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doing this. I don't want to
waste your time. I'm not going

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to make you learn every
rudiment. I'm going to make you

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learn some. And then you can go
from there and learn others if

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you want to. But I'd say half my
students have enough care to

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even process it like that and
go, Okay, I want to learn this.

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Or can we work on this, or watch
this? The newer ones, a lot of

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them, they just don't care.
Like, what are we doing this

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week? Okay, yeah. Like, you
could explain it and be like,

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okay, so then you're just,
you're sort of competing with

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the technology and, like,
they're going to be right back

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on their phone or tablet as soon
as the last soon as the lessons

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over. So then you're just trying
to keep them engaged, because I

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think a parent is paying me to
not babysit, but to essentially

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keep them wanting to come back
to Lessons. And that's sort of

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the other Yeah, they may not be
awesome, but they're going to

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still love drums, like, I don't
want kids or adults burnt out on

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music, because all we did was
just drill the

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the math. You find yourself
being like a therapist

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sometimes, occasionally, you
have a couple

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students like that, if they've
been with you a long time, and

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they want to sit and talk about
things, or they're older, you

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know, I say older, but like, 20s
or 30s. Sometimes a student like

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that, and I'll want to hear how
their life is, or how they're

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teaching now, and how their
lessons are going, and that sort

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of thing. I've one student in
Canada I've had for like, a

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decade. He was a fan of my punk
band, and he's just started

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teaching last year. And I love
that, because he'll talk to me

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about his lessons and show me
something. I'm like, What are

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you showing them? Like, what if
you break it down more simple?

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You assume these kids know, but
they don't, and you could make

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that easier. And so he's like, I
just love you're so right. You

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said, once I started teaching,
I'd understand why I wanted to

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explain things. I'm like, the
easiest you can make it is going

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to make it so much better
explain

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it to a fifth grader. Yeah,
right, yeah. Now your your drum

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parts with that Amber, that
Amber Pacific band, great,

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because I think we were about to
do this interview maybe like,

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four months ago, and I was doing
a deep dive on all the all of

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your body of work. And I was
like, Dad, those are great drum

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parts. I mean, it was like, was
the band? Did the band kind of

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come up at the same time around
the some 40 ones and the blink

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180 twos and all that.

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Oh, for sure, our years on
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those bands were big blink and
Green Day were, like the massive

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mainstream. But we landed the
same time as, like, Fall Out Boy

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and my chemical romance, and a
lot of those, just the pop punk

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and emo stuff all hit around
then. And so some 41 yellow

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card, a lot of those bands we
toured with. So yes, I was in my

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early 20s or mid 20s. I was just
done with Belmont. I was like,

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I'm going to show the world. I'm
going to play the coolest stuff.

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And it's funny, because I look
back now, especially this year,

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Amber, Pacific. It's our 20th
anniversary. We did new record

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in January. It came out in
January. So we recorded

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Nashville. And I said, how would
I play this in my 40s as a

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mature drummer, versus what I'd
have done 20 years ago? So I

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said, I'm not gonna pre come up
with the craziest parts. I'm

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just gonna play for the song. Do
some cool stuff, but try to play

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for the song, yeah, which sounds
very Nashville, but. Those early

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records. I listened back, I was
like, that is so busy. And yes,

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I executed some cool things, and
I really worked on them. And

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this was, yeah, there was Pro
Tools, but it was like, You, I

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mean, you had to play stuff. And
yeah, and we were doing

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everything on the click, which
in punk rock was not common. We

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played to a click Live, but I
was very anal. We were on Warped

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Tour playing to a click Live.
And I remember one time Brooks

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Wackerman, who was one of my
favorites. He was in bad

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religion. Now he's in avenged
seven. In Avenged Sevenfold, but

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he's standing behind me, and
he's like, man, your timing is

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just so good after the set. And
I said, Well, man, I play to a

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click. And he said, You do that
live. And I'm like, You're

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Brooks Wackerman, like you're
one of the guys. I look up to

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him, and Josh freeze and yeah,
he couldn't believe it, but that

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was just why, when I went in to
do the records, my timing was

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really good. That was very
common. Yeah, yeah. And now,

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everybody, you know, everybody's
got tracks, all the metal bands,

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everybody's on click now, but
back then, yeah, not common,

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unless you were in a huge
mainstream act. So that helped

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me a lot of my timing developing
to play fast, but also it was

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fast stuff. So didn't really
translate to Nashville at all

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coming back, but

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very creative. You do things
like, like, like, on a bell. You

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did? Gosh, yeah.

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And that's a lot of that. There
was a lot of Travis Barker in

425
00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:08,700
that area. He was the guy that
put it mainstream. But the

426
00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:13,140
bands, there was also a lot of
the fast punk bands, no effects

427
00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:16,500
and strung out and lag wagon and
MX, px rise against a lot of

428
00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:19,200
these bands had fast drummers
who did cool stuff. They just

429
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,800
weren't household names. Travis
Barker really put it into the

430
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,860
mainstream of like, oh, you can
play busy, yeah, if it's in this

431
00:21:24,860 --> 00:21:25,820
genre. So now

432
00:21:25,820 --> 00:21:30,980
he's a Kardashian. So, well,
yeah, he married. He's married.

433
00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:31,640
He married a

434
00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,040
Kardashian. He was married to a
Playboy Playmate for a

435
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,040
while. He was so all that to say
a bad breath.

436
00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:40,340
Even hot girls have halitosis.
He

437
00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:43,840
did. Came into my radio studio,
my production studio, and I was

438
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,080
like, Hey, how's it going? Oh my
gosh, okay, let's go take the

439
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,000
picture. It's

440
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:49,720
amazing. Jim,

441
00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:53,920
so I look back, I'm really proud
of those records, especially for

442
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,160
the era they were, yeah, I wish
that band had been able to get

443
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,220
bigger, but we had a great run.
We had some videos on MTV. I

444
00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:00,660
mean, it

445
00:22:00,660 --> 00:22:02,880
was a band, band, right? So you
were like, yeah, it was a game

446
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,940
you got publishing. And you're
like, selling hoodies, and

447
00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:08,160
you're like, taking shifts,
driving the van, you're deciding

448
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,600
what the cover the record's
gonna be,

449
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,500
yeah, all that. And kids came to
shows who were like, fans, and,

450
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,740
you know, fans of your drum
parts. And I had a drumming DVD

451
00:22:16,740 --> 00:22:19,620
I put out. Of a lot of those
very early on, you're an early

452
00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:22,580
adapter, yeah? And so, for
example, this tour I just did

453
00:22:22,580 --> 00:22:24,860
with Hawthorne Heights, we came
up at the same time as them. We

454
00:22:24,860 --> 00:22:27,500
shared a bus with them back in
the 2000s so I go way back with

455
00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:30,740
these guys, but I don't really
talk about Amber Pacific a lot

456
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:32,900
when I'm out there. But we were
doing a VIP. And last week, a

457
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:37,100
kid, a kid, you know, a 35 year
old kid, comes to our 35 year

458
00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:39,620
old kid, you know, we're signing
all these Hawthorne Heights

459
00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:42,460
records, and he pulls out the
first Amber Pacific record, and

460
00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:45,400
he had done his homework. He
knew I was on the road, and he's

461
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,340
like, Hey, man, I've never met
you. I'm a huge fan. It was so

462
00:22:48,340 --> 00:22:51,760
touching, because it's a, you
know, an album from 2005 that I

463
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,820
signed this week. And those are
super rewarding, because you

464
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,540
don't kind of so the so you go
way back with the Hawthorne

465
00:22:58,540 --> 00:23:01,380
guys. So when they needed a
drummer for whatever reason,

466
00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:03,480
they were like, Hey, remember
that dude from way back? Yeah,

467
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:03,660
and

468
00:23:03,660 --> 00:23:06,180
we'd kind of amber Pacific had
always opened shows for them

469
00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:08,640
here and there. I mean, they had
sold a few million records, so

470
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,100
they were a different
stratosphere than Amber Pacific,

471
00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:14,040
but always cool guys, great,
down to earth dudes, family

472
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,100
guys. And so they called me and
right around Thanksgiving and

473
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,380
said, Hey, can you fill a couple
shows? I said, Man, I'd be

474
00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:23,240
honored to like, You guys are
awesome. And by the time I

475
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,940
rehearsed with them, Poppy, the
previous drummer, had been there

476
00:23:25,940 --> 00:23:28,700
decade, and he just just like,
I'm done. I quit. I'm done with

477
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:31,280
the road. And I was buddies with
him. He just hit a point where

478
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,980
he's like, I don't want to be on
the road anymore. So it wasn't

479
00:23:33,980 --> 00:23:34,640
any bad blood

480
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,520
at all. Isn't it funny how that
does happen to people like it

481
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:37,700
does?

482
00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:40,160
Yeah, you just burn out, or you
just hit a point. And he just

483
00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:43,120
hit 50. And I think he was like,
you know, I think I want to try

484
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,560
some other stuff in life. So I
kind of,

485
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,060
drumming is a lot of work. It's
the because I was a huge fan,

486
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,060
really enough bad religion,
yeah. So, I mean, he big fan of

487
00:23:52,060 --> 00:23:54,700
theirs. I love their music, and
I listen, you know, back in the

488
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,580
bobby Shea or years and stuff
like that. And when they were

489
00:23:57,580 --> 00:24:00,220
open, when they, I just moved to
Vegas, and they made the

490
00:24:00,220 --> 00:24:02,700
announcement that he did the
part of the band. I think he

491
00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:05,760
blew out his shoulders or
something, and like, Hey, we're

492
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,640
auditioning. I'm like, oh, I
should audition. And then they

493
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,380
hire Brooks, and I'm like, Yeah,
and it's funny, we'll talk about

494
00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:18,840
night and day that first album
they did. It was like, Oh my

495
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:24,620
gosh. Just energy and just, he's
such a player. Yeah, goodness.

496
00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:25,580
What a beast.

497
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,220
The weird thing I have about
some of the punk bands, like

498
00:24:28,460 --> 00:24:35,060
super fast stuff, like, I start
hearing the upbeat snare as the

499
00:24:35,060 --> 00:24:35,960
downbeat.

500
00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:39,560
I get that. I did it around. I
did it first. But once you hear

501
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,800
it, it's also about the
production in the mix, if it's

502
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,160
mixed well and the guy's really
solid, yeah, you can feel it.

503
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,800
And I think on our records, when
you hear that beat, you can feel

504
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,340
it because of there's a couple
differences how you accent the

505
00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:53,980
kick. I know it's pointless to
get into but a few of my guys, I

506
00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:56,680
could go I can hear it without
you telling me who it is, and

507
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,560
I'll know by the kick drum what
band it is, because I've studied

508
00:24:59,560 --> 00:24:59,740
that

509
00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:02,700
beat. It's like, like, what?
Like, Josh with the Vandals is

510
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:10,920
flawless, yeah. I mean, just his
speed, dude. It's so Josh freeze

511
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,560
is my number one. Like, if I
could be anybody, because he can

512
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,260
play for everybody. He can do
it, but he still did the punk

513
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:18,840
thing, but then he can do Foo
Fighters. Since there's

514
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,620
something about punk that I felt
like I missed out on because

515
00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:24,020
there's, you know, in in
country, I tell all my students,

516
00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:27,560
you're going to be playing a lot
of songs between 69 and 89 BPM,

517
00:25:27,620 --> 00:25:30,140
because it matches the strum
pattern of an acoustic guitar

518
00:25:30,140 --> 00:25:32,660
when where songs are being
written. That's just the sweet

519
00:25:32,660 --> 00:25:37,040
spot of that particular genre.
So a lot of the stuff that just

520
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,240
becomes part of our DNA playing
this genre is that is the

521
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,620
bottom, even high heads gonna be
a lot of douche do, gosh, do you

522
00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:48,640
know so? But I never got to play
the super fast stuff, because

523
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,060
you have to. It's another mental
switch, because the time is

524
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:55,600
going by faster. So, but are you
thinking 12341, it's more.

525
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,700
You're thinking probably almost
cut time, right?

526
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,500
What's funny is we call it. This
isn't a this is not the correct,

527
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:03,900
correct musical term, but we
used to analyze this, and we

528
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:06,720
call it triple time, because
you've got straight time, 123,

529
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:15,120
cut time, 121, and two and three
and then twice a and lots of

530
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,120
times, all of ours were over 200
BPM, and that's kind of how my

531
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:22,520
band did it. So we'd be going to
get it and your kick, and it's

532
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,160
very specific, that has to be
single foot. If you play it with

533
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,760
double kick, it's metal, it's
cheating. So it's got to be it's

534
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,720
got to be single

535
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,640
so your right foot is killed. My

536
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,040
right foot is very good at that.
One thing,

537
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:37,520
your right calf is, like, so
much bigger than your left calf

538
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,060
right. But

539
00:26:38,060 --> 00:26:40,240
if we get on the right foot
thing, what's interesting for me

540
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:44,440
as well as I've had six knee
surgeries. I've had a bone

541
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,440
transplant in high school on
that knee because of drumming,

542
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,500
no, because of a bone disease.
And so it ended sports. I

543
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,720
thought I was gonna go to
college for sports. Was my

544
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,480
dream. But I was like, I guess I
can still drum, they said. So I

545
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,820
was like, I guess I'll go to
Belmont and try drumming full

546
00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:01,080
time. So I did that, but I've
had six surgeries on it. I've

547
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,460
done a tour with Amber Pacific
with just my left leg. How'd you

548
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:08,760
do that? I just practiced. You
put a double kick down there.

549
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,940
And I'd in college. Chester gave
us so much backwards, left

550
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:17,100
handed stuff, that I just did
it. But, and then a couple years

551
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,380
ago, it's been five now, but
I've had a total knee

552
00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:22,700
replacement on that kick leg. So
six surgeries on this leg. I

553
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:25,040
have so much arthritis in my
right leg, and

554
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,460
a knee surgery is akin to a
shoulder surgery, because it's

555
00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:29,840
it's painful and it takes

556
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,080
forever. It does, yeah, how long
was the PT and the recovery

557
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,160
there, the knee replacement and
the bone transplant. My first

558
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,440
and last were the worst they
reached, like, six months,

559
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,660
probably. But that all that said
I can still play arthritis or

560
00:27:43,660 --> 00:27:46,420
not? Like, yeah, you can
complain whatever I play in

561
00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:48,520
pain, and there's a lot of
things I can't do, maybe that I

562
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,840
could previously, but I can play
music, and I can walk, and even

563
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,420
if I walk with a limp, I can't
run a jump anymore, but it's why

564
00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:58,900
I exercise. I try to stay
relatively fit and try to keep

565
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:01,380
my weight down, because it's
just extra stress on the knee.

566
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:01,620
Do

567
00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:04,200
you like, even when you're
playing those beats? Because,

568
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,680
you know a lot of guys, you
know, you'll probably see Lars

569
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,640
do it sometimes, but they'll
just kind of, like, when it gets

570
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,120
too fast,

571
00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:15,480
they never cheat the hand.
That's not punk rocket. You have

572
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,780
to do. You have got to, you
know, always yes. And I can tell

573
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:21,320
you, there's drummers like
yellow cards. Drummer LP was

574
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,340
amazing, but he played the fast
beat going get he cheated the

575
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,760
same time. Yeah, I can tell you,
every drummer who's done it that

576
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,860
way. But that aside, we're
talking about like, I still play

577
00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:33,920
punk rock, right? I almost never
play punk rock. That was like,

578
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:37,220
doing the record this year was
so fun, because I never play

579
00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:40,100
fast anymore. And then now
coming out with Hawthorne

580
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:42,340
Heights, they're more like pop
rock drumming, like there's

581
00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:44,800
nothing on there that you would
go mid tempo. It's all mid

582
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,140
tempo. There's nothing there
that you would say, is that

583
00:28:47,140 --> 00:28:49,660
different than what you would
play on a nightly basis? Yeah.

584
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,900
And then with Scott Scott's
music, Scott Stapp, you're

585
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:57,040
recreating Scott Phillips drum
parts, yeah? But we got to brag

586
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,620
on you, you're on the latest
single that hit modern rock

587
00:28:59,620 --> 00:29:00,300
radio, right?

588
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,800
Yeah. And so most of playing for
Scott the last 10 years has been

589
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,220
play due respect to the Creed
songs, massive hits. You're not

590
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:11,520
reinventing the wheel. Nobody
wants to hear dangos opinion on

591
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,460
how creed should be played. They
want to hear creed. So for me, I

592
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:17,520
always try Don or Scott Phillips
part playing as close to I can.

593
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,840
I, you know, put a little bit of
my flavor in there. I probably

594
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,840
played it six or seven years
exactly as close to the record

595
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,140
as I physically could. And then
at some point we'd been the same

596
00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:29,240
band, and all the guys were
like, Why don't you ever do your

597
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,000
own thing? And I said, Well, I
don't do that. This is national

598
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,360
we respect the original artist.
They're like, just do your own

599
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,420
fills. Staff's not going to
care. And I started doing it.

600
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:41,800
And that's one thing I'll say
about Scott, he does not really

601
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
care what the drums are playing.
He's real particular on guitars.

602
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,500
But I just started adding fills,
not crazy like try to be

603
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,500
tasteful musical, but just make
them sound more like dango

604
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,960
playing creed, and not just
creed, playing creed, because

605
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,180
they're going to hear creed
again eventually, and now they

606
00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:57,880
finally have this year. So I've
tried to do it like that. And

607
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,380
then when I played on Scott's
latest record. Like it was more

608
00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:03,720
of playing what the producer
wanted me to play. It wasn't

609
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,480
like I was putting a ton and you
did it from your home. I did it

610
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,000
for my studio, which is pretty
cool to say. You know, have a

611
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,800
song that charts from my studio,
but on modern on modern rock, I

612
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,920
believe. So yeah, because it was
the top five for sure, I don't

613
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,660
think it went to number one, but
it may

614
00:30:18,660 --> 00:30:21,560
have. And that was the last
three creed songs are a lot of

615
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,360
cutting the hi hat, man,

616
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,240
that is such a cool signature
thing. You're in the middle of a

617
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,800
ballad, dude. It's

618
00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:30,560
just,

619
00:30:32,180 --> 00:30:35,720
yeah, I remember being in high
school in the 90s, late 90s,

620
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,540
when those records were big, and
just thinking, like, that was

621
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:41,440
his signature. So every
drummer's like, Dude, you play

622
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,080
the high. I'm like, how could
you not? That's like, his bread

623
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,120
and butter. That's what put him
on the map. Are you guys

624
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,900
friendly? I have never met Scott
Phillips. We love 10 years with

625
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:52,540
Scott, and you've never met
Scott? Well, I don't think they

626
00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:55,360
were on the best terms as far as
creed and Scott, I couldn't tell

627
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,000
you personally. I don't know the
other I've never met any of the

628
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,360
rest of the guys in creed. But
now that they're back together

629
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,940
and they're doing a reunion. Who
knows? Maybe I will meet them?

630
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,400
Oh, who are the other guys in
Scotts band? Are they old

631
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Nashvillians?

632
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,820
No, and there's been some change
over a little bit. But no, I'm

633
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:13,620
actually the only one that lives
in Nashville

634
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,100
now. Are they, are they going to
tour with Limp Bizkit? You think

635
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,120
because they they were

636
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,200
at odds, they used to have a
beef. Scott has told has said

637
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,220
that him and Fred, Fred are on
great terms now, I think just

638
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:26,720
the older you get, you look back
like,

639
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,620
whatever. What were we doing?
Yeah, I saw Fred in the in the

640
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,240
audience at the recent Metallica
shows here in Nashville. Biscuit

641
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,780
opened for Metallica. Yeah, the
nights. And it's funny, because

642
00:31:38,780 --> 00:31:41,380
you see all these guys that are,
you know, used to be in their,

643
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,800
you know, not dare I say, in
their prime, but, yeah, they

644
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,120
were in their 20s, you know. And
you got John Otto, and he's

645
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,480
playing like he's my age, you
know, it's like, Dude, it's

646
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:55,540
really, I'm getting back into
playing now, like, you know, but

647
00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:58,780
I'm setting it up, like, how a
40 year old guy would do it,

648
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,740
yeah, he's still playing that
kit like he's in his 20s.

649
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,700
Yeah? You mean physically, like,
physically, it

650
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,040
also the way the kits set up,
you know, that's like, it's just

651
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,600
not ergonomic. Yeah, in my
opinion,

652
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,120
I I've changed a lot of stuff,
too, when you talk about that,

653
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,060
like, getting older, the way I
set up, Broadway's made me do it

654
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:17,220
too, those four hour shifts,
everything's lowered, it's

655
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:19,920
closer, it's easier to reach,
little flick of the wrist. Yeah?

656
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760
And, you know, one thing I
remember you always saying is

657
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,640
your your drums and cymbals get
bigger, the older you get, and

658
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,000
the less notes you play. And
that has stuck with me so much,

659
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,320
because just this is a great
example. This tour we just did.

660
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,400
I just finished 40 dates. It was
basically three metal bands and

661
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Hawthorne Heights. And I say
metal different kinds, metal

662
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,940
core. I don't know the new
terms. I've never been a grind

663
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:46,120
core, scream, oh, but I'm
telling you, all of these other

664
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,880
drummers are ripping every
night. Every one of them's 10

665
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,340
years younger than me or more,
and they're just blazing feet.

666
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,920
And I thinking like, Well, I
gotta get up there and

667
00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:58,180
play. But you could visibly see
great is coming on. I

668
00:32:58,180 --> 00:33:02,100
know. And and I'm, Are you
friendly with the guys? Dude, I

669
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,820
became friends with everybody in
these bands, and I just took it

670
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:08,400
on myself to be like, I'm the
dad here. I am, like, the

671
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,220
veteran. I've been playing
professionally longer than all

672
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:14,160
of the guys here, and almost
more, almost as long as one of

673
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,560
them been alive. So I just try
to think about it that way,

674
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,720
because I'm like, these guys
could probably play circles

675
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,540
around me, but I'm just going to
show them. This is how you tour

676
00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:24,560
as a veteran. So we get up there
and and Hawthorne Heights had

677
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,040
hits, which is cool. All the
other bands just didn't have the

678
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,500
I mean, Hawthorne had a couple
songs that were massive. So if

679
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,660
you were in the scene at all,
you just you definitely knew

680
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:35,360
them. So I tried to just go out
there and play the songs the

681
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,520
best I could. And talking to
those younger drummers, they're

682
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,980
like, Dude, I've just never seen
anybody play like that. They

683
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:41,900
were so encouraging. And I'm
just like, Dude, you're

684
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:44,680
unbelievable. Your feet and
you're playing the tracks and

685
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,640
click. And I couldn't do

686
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,200
that, seeing all the Instagram
drummers

687
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,600
they are, and that's and I'm not
putting out any of these guys,

688
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,300
these guys, all three of these
dudes, were great drummers, but

689
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:55,300
they were so complimentary on my
pocket and feel. And I was like,

690
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:57,700
I'm another drummer. It means
the world. Yeah, cheers.

691
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,560
It's funny because, like, as I
came up, could I ask how old you

692
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,700
were? I'm 4444

693
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:05,160
You look fantastic. Yeah,

694
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,200
you're okay. I'm 10 years older
than you.

695
00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:09,180
You you're a rock star. I look

696
00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:11,400
like I'm 15 years older than
both of you.

697
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,040
It's funny, because I came up on
listening to like Benante was a

698
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,600
huge influence for me. And you
see that guy play now, he still

699
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,600
plays with the same intensity.
But it's funny that you

700
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,480
mentioned that the symbols get
bigger and more close together.

701
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,520
He's kind of doing because he's
still playing the same intensity

702
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,420
in music. You

703
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,840
can't be rotatory cuffing way up
to the right. You know, David

704
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,700
Letterman, Steve Jordan symbol.
Well, all those

705
00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:43,480
guys, all those like the Thrash
Metal guys, the Dave lombardos

706
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,240
and binantes and stuff like
that, all their symbols were

707
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,280
typically, because they were
playing so fast, they had, they

708
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,820
had to, you know, yeah, they had
to hit that symbol, and it had

709
00:34:51,820 --> 00:34:55,480
to be within reach, yeah, and
like Dave Lombardo, the way he

710
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,540
plays now, I'm sure he's in his
60s, for crying out loud. I'm

711
00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:58,720
sure

712
00:34:58,780 --> 00:35:01,380
it was a great lesson for. Those
guys, because, you know, you

713
00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:04,260
can't get around the experience
and the intentionality and the

714
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:07,020
time and the trenches and the
maturity that comes with that.

715
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:09,240
And I'm, you know, the same
thing. I'm this, you know, this

716
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,520
year on tour, I don't know who's
playing drums for Nate Smith,

717
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,800
but they're direct support, so
I'll sure I'll meet that young

718
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,660
buck, and then Ray Lynn is
opening for him. And you know,

719
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:22,580
that's Kaylee Moyer, young
drummer, the female drummer from

720
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:26,300
Belmont. So, you know, I'll be
the granddad on the tour. You

721
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,100
know what? I mean, it's like,
you know? So

722
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,160
this week I met, do you know?
I'm sure you do. Joel

723
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,640
stevenette, yeah. So I never met
him, Salt Lake City, yeah. We'd

724
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,700
met one time, I guess, at NAMM
through Garrison, you know, DW

725
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,980
guys, but he hit me up on
Facebook. And I was like, dude,

726
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:42,760
I'd be so honored if you came
like, that guy is just, he's

727
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,300
fantastic. He watches the whole
set. Was so encouraging. We end

728
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,340
up talking for an hour. He's
like, Yeah, I'd seen your

729
00:35:48,340 --> 00:35:52,120
videos, but to watch you play
with that authority and so much

730
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,700
confidence in your pocket. He's
like, and you didn't overplay.

731
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:57,460
And I just was expecting you to
get up there and just shred or

732
00:35:57,460 --> 00:36:00,400
whatever, yeah. And it was like,
it was the nicest compliment to

733
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,300
get from a guy, you know, in his
50s, that high, highly respect

734
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:03,840
plays

735
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,840
on a lot of video games, yeah,
dragons, yeah. And, you know, he

736
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,620
had, you know,

737
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:10,080
just talking about his resume
play for Jody Messina and a

738
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,900
handful of gigs that I was just
like, wow, you've done a lot of

739
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,900
cool stuff. And he was so
complimentary of that, because

740
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:19,260
it's so easy to feel, I mean,
it's so hard not to compare

741
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:22,040
yourself in our industry, and to
see young kids coming up and to

742
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,200
see the chops and the speed, and
I'm not putting down the

743
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,080
Instagram drummers, just to see
either the gospel chops or the

744
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,660
metal side, and neither of them
really compete with me. And I'm

745
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:32,060
just like, wow, that's fast, and
I'm just here playing boom

746
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:35,840
chick, boom chick. But, but to
have a veteran speak that into

747
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,020
my life encouraging like that
was just like, Man, I guess I'm

748
00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:41,980
on track and I'm doing it, and
I'm so thankful, because I

749
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:44,620
always encourage my students, or
just, you know, guys new to

750
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:46,720
town, I'll go to lunch with
them. And there's a few guys

751
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,120
that I talk about, like you I'm
like, rich went to lunch with me

752
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,220
right when I got here. And
there's just guys who will do

753
00:36:51,220 --> 00:36:54,880
that. And I'm always telling and
girls too. I never want to leave

754
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,400
out the women. But you know, if
I'm hanging with a guy and

755
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,360
they're just, they're they're
trying to battle this Nashville

756
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,580
thing, I'm like, Just be
yourself. Yeah, you can't walk

757
00:37:02,580 --> 00:37:04,860
into every gig and think it's
you're the best fit, because

758
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:07,140
you're not. And you can't land
every gig, but you can be

759
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:10,080
yourself, and if you stay true
to that, and you learn the

760
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,480
music, and you show up, and
you're professional, like,

761
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,400
that's all you can do.
Somebody's gonna love what you

762
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,280
do, and you're gonna fit some
gig. You can't be, you know, you

763
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,500
can't be the guy that's gonna
play for everybody.

764
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:23,780
And you know what? You're not
meant to work with everyone, and

765
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:27,440
that, and that is a hard thing
to come into, because the same,

766
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,000
you know, hard when you're in
your 20s and 30s, it's like, I

767
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,300
want to take over. I'm going to
work with everyone. You know

768
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:37,880
what? I mean, you're just not
meant to. Because ultimately,

769
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,720
what happens is, you know, the
culture of Nashville is, they

770
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,600
call them, they call them the
camps, right? So, oh, you're in

771
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,760
the LD camp, you're in the
Hawthorne Heights camp, really.

772
00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:48,340
And it's, it's a camp, because
it's like, this subculture, you

773
00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:51,040
got all these Bucha circle,
yeah? It's like, it's a it's a

774
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,140
circus, it's a family, it's the
Family Circus. Yeah, it really

775
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:56,320
is,

776
00:37:56,620 --> 00:37:59,620
you know? And there's always
somebody better and faster, and

777
00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:02,100
there's always somebody that
shows up that's got more

778
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,140
experience, and then there's
always, like, a matt

779
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:06,540
Chamberlain, or somebody moving
to town, and you're just like,

780
00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:08,700
what, what are you doing here?
Like, why are you coming to our

781
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,400
city? So there's always going to
be that stuff, but you still

782
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,640
just do what you do, work with
who you can be thankful and

783
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,220
appreciative. Do you're doing?
You know, keep hustling, because

784
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:20,420
covering a lot of bases here,
man, when I just played on five

785
00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:21,980
new tracks for Tim Duggar.

786
00:38:22,340 --> 00:38:25,580
Tim's amazing. I've only filled
in probably, I don't know, 10

787
00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:28,700
shows with him, but he was
wonderful to work for so really

788
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,880
grounded kid. Yeah, he's got a
great head on his shoulders.

789
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,480
He's only

790
00:38:32,540 --> 00:38:36,680
30, I don't know, yeah, like 32
years. Amazing.

791
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,140
Crazy. It's crazy, yeah.

792
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:43,180
So we're fellow DW ers, were
fellow promarkers were fellow

793
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:46,720
Humes and burgers were fellow l
peers. Oh

794
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,740
yeah, yeah, been. DW, I'm I
think I was 2000 like eight or

795
00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:54,400
nine. Oh, wow. 2012 for me.
Okay, okay, I got you there?

796
00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:54,700
Maybe

797
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:56,080
11 or 12. DW,

798
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,740
really got to the rock guys.
They did early on. I feel

799
00:38:59,740 --> 00:39:02,340
like they have even a bigger
push in the Gospel market, but

800
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:04,680
they definitely have been real
rock guys. The guys that for me,

801
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,740
though, were Josh freeze and Abe
Jr, like growing up reading the

802
00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:10,560
magazines for whatever reason I
was like, Ew and feisty are what

803
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,680
I want to play because of those
guys. The only

804
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,840
thing that dw really doesn't

805
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:22,220
have a lot of coverage in is is
modern jazz. Really? You got

806
00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:23,000
Carl Allen. I

807
00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:26,120
think Carl Allen plays DW drums.

808
00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:30,260
Other than that, everybody in
the damn world is playing their

809
00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:33,140
drums, and it's in every movie.
If there's a drum set in a movie

810
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:35,900
or a television commercial, it's
DW. It's like, pearl

811
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:37,100
in the 80s, yeah, you

812
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,180
still get people in Nashville
who will dog it sometimes and

813
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,460
they're just like, Oh, I hate
DW. I'm like, why? Well, why?

814
00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:43,240
Because it's a drum

815
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,120
that practically tunes itself
and always sounds consistently

816
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,060
good and has sexy finishes and
has an amazing corporate

817
00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:49,720
culture. And

818
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:53,020
so whenever somebody, when I see
on, especially on the national

819
00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:55,060
drummer page, you know,
somebody's just going, we're

820
00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:57,880
just talking about the last
episode, how they hate DW for

821
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,180
whatever reason, as soon as they
do, I look, I go, you. That

822
00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:02,340
guy's never toured, or he's
never done a fly date.

823
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,980
And if you ever get DW as an
endorsement, if you have a

824
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:05,700
backline, if

825
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,720
you fly, and there's a backline
kit, your options are Pearl,

826
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:15,120
Yamaha dw, maybe tama, maybe
Gretch, probably not. And so,

827
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,400
you know, it's available all
over the world. The Big Three,

828
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,360
those are Yamaha Pearl dw, yes,
I

829
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,200
talked about, we talked about
this a couple of episodes ago,

830
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,120
how sonor is making a very
concerted push there, and

831
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,640
they're starting to show up at
all the different Broadway

832
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,140
establishments. They are

833
00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:35,840
great drums. They're never gonna
have the world coverage because

834
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,800
they're too particular to German
and they don't put out enough

835
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,660
stuff. So dw is everywhere. I've
played them in probably 15

836
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:47,680
countries now, yeah, I can get a
DW tune to sound like me almost

837
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,080
every night, especially if it's
got my heads on it, which,

838
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:53,320
thankfully, at the level I'm at,
pretty much I can always get my

839
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,620
exact Evans heads that I play
which which ones are those

840
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:58,900
double play I use the EC two,
which is double ply with a

841
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,740
little ring around it, and
there's no Remo that exactly

842
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:04,680
sounds like it really. And I'm
so big on I've been playing

843
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,160
Evans my whole life, but I think
the Emad is the best kick head.

844
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,920
If you like Evans, usually like
the mad. Some people do. Some

845
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,740
people don't like a little it's,
it's got the big ring around the

846
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:16,680
outside. That's like the Remo
finally started making one last

847
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,800
year. That's a direct rip. And I
think it's because the, I think

848
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,120
the, not the copyright. What's
it called? Ran out the 20 years

849
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,240
of patent. Yeah, the patent. So
now Remo can make it and

850
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,060
not is that kind of like the
power stroke three in a way? No,

851
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:29,600
okay, it

852
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,160
is not, which I do not like.
Well,

853
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,140
we were, we were sitting around
the other night. It was a bunch

854
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:38,540
of pro markers, and everybody
played ProMark sticks, but I was

855
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,900
the only guy that didn't play
Evans heads. That is kind of

856
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:43,480
crazy. I was the only Remo only
Remo,

857
00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:46,420
yeah, which Nashville is way
more remote than Evans, but

858
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:49,780
that's interesting in that
group. So I was Evans. I'm on 20

859
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:52,780
years with Evans. I think this
year amazing. And so that was my

860
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:56,200
very first real endorsement.
Actually, Vic Firth was and then

861
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,980
Evans that year, and I played
Vic for nine years, and the

862
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:03,660
adario bought ProMark. And so
there was this whole thing of,

863
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:06,000
like, Evans guys switching over
to pro mark. They played

864
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,460
something else. I was like, I'm
not doing it. I'm not doing it.

865
00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:11,820
I love my Vic Firth and Marco,
who was at the time, Holy God,

866
00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:15,960
rest his rest in peace. Marco,
he um, who just passed, he was a

867
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,600
and our guy at the time, he had
signed me at Vic Firth. Now he's

868
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,680
at DIA Dario, so I'm playing
Evans already. Steve Loeb Meyer

869
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,560
signed me there. He's been my
dude forever. Love him. And so

870
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,840
when I was playing with red,
who's like, kind of an active

871
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,880
rock they were Christian, but
they're an active rock, like

872
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,180
arena rock band in 2014 right
before step, they were pretty

873
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:35,180
big band, and they'd sold a
couple million records. And when

874
00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:38,480
I was playing with them, Marco
just kept saying, we'll find you

875
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,880
stick, I'll send you stuff. And
he just kept sending me things

876
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,240
to try. Said, you show me
something I like as much as this

877
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,700
Vic. I'll do it. So I
eventually, that year, switched

878
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,640
over to pro marks, and I've been
with them, I guess, I don't

879
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,180
know, over 10 years, we play
like a 5b 2b, I, I came over

880
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:54,640
playing the Teddy Campbell
signature, which is an SD nine.

881
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,300
It was like a little bit it was
a 16 and a eight, so a little

882
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:01,320
bit longer. It was like a long
5b a little bit fatter. They

883
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,380
discontinued that last year. Oh,
wow. I talked to Teddy about us,

884
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:06,540
like, bro, you're sick. He goes.
I know all my friends keep

885
00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:09,900
saying so now I play the 5b
long, but I do the rebound one.

886
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:12,480
That was the other thing. It was
like a rebound weight. I don't

887
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,840
know if you do the forward. I do
the four belt, okay, which is

888
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,480
very pro mark, like they were
all forward until they started

889
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,020
adding these rebounds, yeah. But
Vic, are all rebound weight. So

890
00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:23,900
that's what I was used to. Yeah.
So all that to say I've been

891
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:26,780
with ProMark now a long time,
but they were so good to me, and

892
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:29,540
I just thought, I'm nobody, and
if they're carrying this much to

893
00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:32,420
take care of me, and I don't
deserve this, like, why would I

894
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:33,680
not be loyal after you went

895
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,860
after your endorsements? Because
that's the number one question I

896
00:43:36,860 --> 00:43:39,140
get all the time. People were
like, how do I know when to do

897
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:41,560
it? When do I do it? I was like,
You will know when to do it,

898
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,020
because here's the deal. This is
what the company wants. They

899
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:46,360
want you to be educating. They
want you to be recording. They

900
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,120
want you to be on television.
They want you touring. If you

901
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,320
can do maybe two out of those
four now high level, and have a

902
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,200
presence on in social media,
that that's when you know when

903
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
your band is going to be on
television, or your band is

904
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,200
going to be playing for larger
crowds. That's when you know to

905
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,660
go after the thing. Yeah, you
know,

906
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:07,740
I just okay. I need to back up
here. Yes, I've been playing for

907
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,720
35 plus years. I had never heard
this concept of forward balance

908
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,100
and like,

909
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,580
Okay, I'll explain it quickly.
I'm a nerd about gear. So when I

910
00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:20,840
play stuff, I learn about it. I
study it. For example, with

911
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,420
Evans, when they put out a new
line of heads, I try it always

912
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:26,060
like, so that I can tell people,
You are Great endorser. I

913
00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:28,760
actually am, like, for not being
on an A level gig. I'm one of

914
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,220
those guys that's like, I could
work at the drum store. I just

915
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:36,560
used to read the magazines. So
most sticks, well, take Vic

916
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,200
Firth. They're all rebound
weighted, meaning they're

917
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,400
weighted more towards the handle
and ProMark the differences.

918
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,100
They're weighted towards the
tip. Okay, so ProMark just a

919
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,380
couple years ago, maybe five
years ago now, said we're going

920
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:50,320
to make both. We're going to
call it forward or rebound, but

921
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,860
you can buy a stick in a 5b or a
2b, or whatever. You play the

922
00:44:53,860 --> 00:44:56,500
main four or five stick kinds.
We're going to make it weight at

923
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,780
the front and the back. And then
the ones that sold well, they've

924
00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:00,840
just kept and the other ones.
They've dropped. How

925
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,340
have I not known this? So

926
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:05,040
either the weight of the stick
is in the back of the stick,

927
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,500
yeah, or it's in the front of
this and it's entirely

928
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:10,140
preference. And everybody just
said that, yeah. Everybody just

929
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:11,100
loves what they love.

930
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,400
Thanks bridge for making them
feel like a freaking dumb ass.

931
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:14,700
Well,

932
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:18,180
I'm just saying the weight of
the stick is on the front of the

933
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:20,040
stick, yeah, or the back of the
stick.

934
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:23,120
So you're saying that the weight
is like, if it's forward, it's

935
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,200
in the front or the back, okay,
of the rear balance. So if you

936
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,540
want to rebound, it's more in
the back so you can get more

937
00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:30,140
rebound. Is

938
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:32,120
it rebound, or is it rear
balance? It's called

939
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,820
rebound. Oh, okay, that's what
they call it. That was rear

940
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:38,060
balance, which would make sense.
I don't know what's in this

941
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:42,400
coffee. If you hold a 5b rebound
or forward next to each other,

942
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,320
you definitely feel a
difference. Yeah, yeah.

943
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,780
That's like, even today I went
to Guitar Center. I had to pick

944
00:45:46,780 --> 00:45:50,440
up. I had to replace this on the
snare. The snug the drum set you

945
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:57,280
got me, it was missing a look,
screw. Yeah, right. Tension rod.

946
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,240
That's right and

947
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,680
really short for snare one, it
really is. So I had

948
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,320
to go get replacement tension
rods, and the guy asked me. He's

949
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,600
like, you don't want any sticks
or anything. I'm like, you know,

950
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,240
I should, really, should shop
sticks. He was upselling you,

951
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,900
but totally upselling. Would you
go to one at the Thompson?

952
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:15,900
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah.
That's much more bountifully

953
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:19,200
stocked, yeah. But, you know,
I'm like, at some point I really

954
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,640
need to, like, once things are
stabilized again, and I got

955
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,460
money in the bank, it'd just be
nice to go and be like, I like

956
00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:29,900
that symbol. I want that. I want
that symbol. China, that symbol.

957
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:33,080
China, Wuhan, this symbol over
here. I like the sound of that.

958
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,900
You know, just to sit down and
for like, once in your life,

959
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,500
like, what you guys get to do,
would be cool to just sit down

960
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:41,920
and be like, No, I don't like
that drum, bringing out another

961
00:46:41,980 --> 00:46:45,700
one. I'm gonna put this one
here. Yeah, sounds good. That's

962
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,700
me, you know, yeah, I need I'm
probably like,

963
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:51,940
do we do that? Do we like
sometimes? I mean, usually what

964
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:53,620
I do is, like, if I like a drum,

965
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,860
like, I'll see, I'll hear
somebody playing. You didn't,

966
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:59,320
you didn't go to dw and be like,
sit down and like, bring them

967
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,020
out. Let me hear what you got,

968
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,440
definitely so easy, like on the
theme song to the rich Redmond

969
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:12,540
show that was just a jazz a jazz
series, 1216, 24 Bing Bong.

970
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:17,280
Bong. 24 is not jazz. Yeah, the
series is jazz. It's called the

971
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,500
jazz series because it's

972
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:23,600
a maple gum shell, which is
based off the USA customs from

973
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,260
the age, you mean

974
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:27,260
rich. It's not wood that they
found on the freaking moon or

975
00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:29,060
anything like that. No purpose.
I don't know

976
00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:31,820
why they name it that, but the
reason it got famous was because

977
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:34,040
Dave Grohl plays them all the
time. But I don't know why they

978
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,200
call it the jazz series. It's so
bizarre. I just know the wood

979
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,640
combo. I know what the wood

980
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,440
you'll play every every other
format, every other style but

981
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,280
jazz, yeah.

982
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:45,700
So I'm a gear nerd, through and
through, and I love it. I could

983
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:48,220
talk drums with anybody, but the
biggest thing I always try to

984
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:51,640
tell people is I just everybody
hits different everybody's got

985
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,160
different touch. It's how you do
it. So, you know, I've got good

986
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,380
buddies for like, Oh, those are
the worst drum heads. That's the

987
00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:59,140
worst snare, worst symbol. Why
do you play that? Like it's the

988
00:47:59,140 --> 00:48:02,220
way I play. It's the way I hear
it. You do a different thing,

989
00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:06,120
but that's totally fine. There's
no right or wrong. It's just a

990
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,240
it's a preference, because I'm a
rock guy, so yes, I'm used to a

991
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,300
kick drum with a pillow in it.
Some guys want it wide open.

992
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:15,180
Well, bottom played it wide
open. I'm like, well, Bonham was

993
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:17,820
playing John bottom brother. I
can't play anything like him.

994
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:20,600
You probably can't either, and I
can't play 20. And the

995
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,480
engineer is not going to be
pleased, yeah, you know, for

996
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,960
most situations, right? And, you
know, okay, so you are a rock

997
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,540
guy. So what is you're playing
the pasty Pisces.

998
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:31,880
You can't play in an arena, by
the way, with wide open kick

999
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,900
drum very easily.

1000
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,140
You got to have something. I've
tried the pillow

1001
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,260
in there, and still had times
where it's going. So, yeah,

1002
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:40,120
anyways, go

1003
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,180
on the policy. What's your
what's your series of choice on

1004
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:43,780
the pasties.

1005
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,100
So is it

1006
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,080
okay? First and foremost, is it
feisty or

1007
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,200
feisty? It rhymes with feisty.
Sorry, and I've heard that from

1008
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,500
the namesake Kelly feisty
herself. So that is how it said.

1009
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:57,760
I have a feisty upstairs. I'm on
year 17 or 18 in the feisty

1010
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,600
family, so I consider myself
knowledgeable about them for

1011
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,720
sure, like the Mercedes Benz of
symbols, I won't argue

1012
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:05,760
with you there. It's, you know,
people be like, well, they're

1013
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,520
not Silja, they're not Sabian.
And I'm like, well, they're

1014
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,040
certainly more expensive.
They're the ones that sound on a

1015
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,260
record. They just sit in a
different place. And if you

1016
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:16,380
think about the bottoms and the
Steve Jordans and Van hills,

1017
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:19,440
there's and procarro, there's
just a lot of those guys who

1018
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,160
are, like, upper echelon, who
like that. That was their thing.

1019
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,340
They did their whole career. So,
yeah, I play the big beats and

1020
00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:28,700
what they are newer line ish. I
mean, the last five or 10 years,

1021
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:32,180
2002 has been around forever.
You know, you could go Alex Van

1022
00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:34,820
Halen, or you can even end of
bottoms career. Played the 2000

1023
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:38,180
twos. They're cool sound.
They're very feisty. They said,

1024
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:41,020
Let's make a darker version of
those. They're thinner. They're

1025
00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:44,980
like a thin 2002 they've got a
black label. 2002 they look the

1026
00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:48,760
same, but that's what I play.
And they're all bigger sizes.

1027
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,820
They don't say crash or ride.
It's just big beat. So I've got

1028
00:49:51,820 --> 00:49:57,280
a 2221 and a 20 and 15 hats.
They do 1516, hats. There's

1029
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,960
nothing smaller. The downside is
there's no. Uh, China's or

1030
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,320
splashes, which I know you don't
need for most gigs, but I always

1031
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,760
have a China and certain gigs
I'll use a splash. So I wish

1032
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,520
they had those. But for me,
they're like, they work great,

1033
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,880
and I love them because they're
rock, but I can hit them hard,

1034
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,240
but also they just don't bend,
and they're light, they just

1035
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,260
stay out of the mix, like, in a
good way, the hi hats never too

1036
00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:22,640
loud. That's probably what I
have

1037
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,180
a bag of. I have a bag of Pisces
that I use. I always have around

1038
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:30,620
for some producers that really
that their prefer the crashes. I

1039
00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:32,900
believe that just at the level
you're at, because I've seen,

1040
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:35,480
like, a few of the guys in town
who are like, you know, like,

1041
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,600
you playing on big stuff. And
I'm thinking, like, Who did I

1042
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,560
see recently? Just went and
bought all Pisces.

1043
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:47,140
I try not to Jerry. Jerry row,
he bought all Pisces. He

1044
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:49,480
Wait, he came in, got a whole
set of big beats at forks.

1045
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,000
Because, you know, he's like,
Mr. Mile guy, yeah, and the

1046
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,640
guy's unbelievable. But he just
wanted that sound for another,

1047
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:56,320
yeah, another option, just

1048
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,900
having have, you know, have the
stuff in your bag of tricks. You

1049
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:01,060
know, it's not something you
gotta be misabe. And so I'm

1050
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:03,720
gonna go, you know, I'm gonna
start a symbol company, yeah,

1051
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,400
and I'm gonna start it out of
Virginia, just so I can call my

1052
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,860
line of China, the vagina.

1053
00:51:12,180 --> 00:51:14,100
Ouch, he'll be here all night,

1054
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,000
because, VA, try this. Try, try
the veal. Okay,

1055
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:21,200
Virginia's. VA, yeah, vagina. I

1056
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,520
like that, buddy. I mean,

1057
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:23,900
really big marker.

1058
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:31,280
I mean, damn you like any kicks
his own jokes. So how, how does

1059
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,800
Sonic blood fit into all this?
Okay,

1060
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,960
so that's a big Christian rock
band. Man, it was in the day,

1061
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,480
and they're still doing the
thing, right? Yes, but not so I,

1062
00:51:43,540 --> 00:51:46,660
I'm, I'm a pastor's kid. I grew
up playing in church world is

1063
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:49,060
one of the first places I really
played with people and learned

1064
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:52,840
how to play different kinds of
music. And so I've played

1065
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,140
worship music my entire as long
as I've been drumming. So like

1066
00:51:56,140 --> 00:51:59,620
Michael W Smith and, yes, but
that's more like CCM, that's and

1067
00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:02,160
I'm a huge Michael W Smith fan.
If he called today and said,

1068
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,380
Will you play like I would,
that's a childhood favorite of

1069
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:08,700
mine. I saw him in an arena in
the 90s. Anyways. So when Sonic

1070
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:10,860
flood came out, they were one of
the first rock bands in

1071
00:52:10,860 --> 00:52:13,560
Christian music to go. We're
gonna take these old songs that

1072
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,660
you did that were kind of
churchy and lame, and we're

1073
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:18,120
gonna make them cool. Yeah. And
so they were doing that when I

1074
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,000
was in college. So about 10
years ago, I got a call to fill

1075
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,180
in. They were already sort of
past their prime. But I was

1076
00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:25,580
like, Well, this is band I used
to love, so of course, I'm gonna

1077
00:52:25,580 --> 00:52:29,180
do it. I met the guys, sweetest
dudes ever, still making music.

1078
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:31,760
And I was like, Well, of course,
I'll do this. It's like, we

1079
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,000
might play five or 10 shows a
year. It's not a Oh, it's not

1080
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,640
competing with barely anything
else I do. And I do it because I

1081
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,520
love the dudes, and now I've
played on some of the recorded

1082
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,820
stuff too. So yeah, it's like,
I'm in their catalog. I'm a

1083
00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:46,780
member now, whatever. But a lot
of guys in CCM in Asheville

1084
00:52:46,780 --> 00:52:48,880
played for that band. They've
gone through a lot of members.

1085
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,760
It's not a it's not like a
regular act. So write a passage

1086
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,580
band, it kind of is, and it's
just one that I look up to. If I

1087
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:57,400
talk to kids now, they won't
know who that is, even if

1088
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,420
they're in the Christian world,

1089
00:52:58,420 --> 00:53:00,280
but they don't know who Sonic
flood is, then they're

1090
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,240
definitely not gonna know who
Petra is. Probably not. I saw

1091
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:08,520
Petra when I was, like, 14 years
old. Man About pillar. Pillar,

1092
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,640
I've never seen pillar live. I'm
great friends with Lester and

1093
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,300
huge fan of his, but he's like,
red over there, yeah. And pillar

1094
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:18,120
is, like, the same air as that
band red that I played in, and

1095
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,220
actually, super chick, a band I
played for Lester's brother was

1096
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,340
the longtime, like, main drummer
of super chick. I came after

1097
00:53:25,340 --> 00:53:28,580
him. I didn't realize Lester had
a brother, yeah, and he was a

1098
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:32,540
pro drummer too. Now he's a
pastor. Wow. Um, anyways, so

1099
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:35,000
yes, I've kind of come across
and toured with a lot of

1100
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,340
different Christian bands over
the years when all those you

1101
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,980
listed in my resume, like, yeah,
I might have done two or three

1102
00:53:39,980 --> 00:53:43,240
years and boom, it wasn't like a
long stint. So I keep the sonic

1103
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,760
flood thing because it's like,
they're brothers now. And if

1104
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,100
they called and said, Hey, do
you want to Will you go out and

1105
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:50,980
play? I'm like, if I'm not doing
something, I will 100% be there.

1106
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:54,460
But yeah, if I'm on another tour
doing 30 dates, I can't leave to

1107
00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:56,560
go do one, yeah, one Sonic now

1108
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,960
they say it's rude to talk
religion and politics. But with

1109
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,200
that being said, Are you still a
believer? Or have you, I

1110
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,980
am actually, yeah, and I'm and
yeah, it's not the I'm never

1111
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,580
gonna argue with anybody about
Christianity, but I'm hardcore

1112
00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:12,600
in my views, for sure, and my
goal is to be an encouragement,

1113
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,780
be a light, to show people love.
I believe that's what Jesus was

1114
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:18,420
about, right? I don't think he'd
be here arguing about politics.

1115
00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:21,260
I don't think he'd be here
arguing about a vaccine or

1116
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:23,540
masks, or any of that so
companies out of Virginia, yeah,

1117
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:27,140
yeah. So my thing is, like, if I
can represent Jesus without

1118
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:30,380
being a weirdo, like, that's my
goal. My goal is, go out, play

1119
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:33,080
music, have fun, do this, make a
living, but just encourage

1120
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,960
people, they will know you by
your fruits, yeah. And we have a

1121
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,020
chance to go out and, like, I
mean, just that we get to do

1122
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:41,860
this, and we get to play music,
and I get to meet people all

1123
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:44,740
over the world. I'm so fortunate
to do that. I'm not the greatest

1124
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:47,020
drummer. I'm not even the best
drummer in the room. You know,

1125
00:54:47,020 --> 00:54:49,900
it's like, everywhere I go, I
go. I want to be the best I can.

1126
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:53,260
But really, like this tour, I
just finished, my biggest goal

1127
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:55,360
out there was to encourage all
those younger guys and other

1128
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,520
bands, because I thought they
have great careers coming. Yeah,

1129
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,440
and they're looking up to me,
and I'm thinking, you're way

1130
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,160
better than me. Like You're
gonna do great stuff. So to me,

1131
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:04,620
that's like a lot of what being
a Christian is, it's just

1132
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,380
reaching people and being
encouraging, not trying to

1133
00:55:07,380 --> 00:55:10,260
preach at them, and not trying
to argue, not arguing.

1134
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,320
Interesting question, though,
what is the like with the kids

1135
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,160
that you're coming across? What
are some of the challenges that

1136
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,800
are probably unfamiliar to you,
that you've never had to really

1137
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,900
face, that you know they're
gonna face, and

1138
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:26,720
you're talking about musicians
coming up specifically,

1139
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:29,480
yeah, in the next generation.

1140
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:32,000
I mean, we didn't come up with
phones or social media.

1141
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,400
Obviously, that's one of the
craziest things. Even with my

1142
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,180
kids at home, I can't imagine
coming up, comparing yourself to

1143
00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:41,140
people being able to watch them
when you're eight or 10 or 12,

1144
00:55:41,620 --> 00:55:46,180
that's really bizarre. I also
think it's we didn't have to

1145
00:55:46,180 --> 00:55:49,720
deal with the idea of being
virtuosos or playing in the

1146
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:52,900
Olympics as a drummer, like when
we were kids, you knew there was

1147
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:55,420
Vinnie, and you knew there was
Dave Weck on these guys. But

1148
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:57,640
nobody's like, Oh, I'm gonna be
Vinnie. You're just like, that's

1149
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Vinnie. I'm gonna play music
like you didn't nowadays, yeah.

1150
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,020
I mean, Vinnie could play
anything, yeah? But you didn't

1151
00:56:04,020 --> 00:56:06,360
think, Oh, I have to be Vinnie
to make it. You're thinking,

1152
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,220
Kali Yuta, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm
gonna

1153
00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:10,260
go play a wedding band. I'm
gonna go, Yeah, I'm gonna go be

1154
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:10,680
a working

1155
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,780
drummer. Yeah, I'm gonna play a
church. I'm gonna play my rock

1156
00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:14,820
band, or I'm gonna go do this,
you know, I'm gonna play a

1157
00:56:14,820 --> 00:56:17,760
wedding band. I don't think it
was like today where kids are

1158
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,160
like, Well, I gotta get online
and I gotta be able to play 300

1159
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:23,360
BPM, and I got to rip all these
Eric Moore gospel chops, and I

1160
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,760
got to do all this stuff, like,
we just didn't have that. So I

1161
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,060
have to

1162
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:28,280
film it, and then I have to,
yeah, I have to learn how to

1163
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,780
engineer it better. Sound good,

1164
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,240
yeah. And I got to get
endorsements when I'm 10. Like,

1165
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,900
what that was pressure, okay,
but this phone thing as a

1166
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:38,960
father, you know? Like, I'm not
a parent. I've, I, man, I

1167
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,560
struggle with this so much. I've
mentored so many kids, but I've

1168
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,280
never done the thing. So you're
doing that. So what are my most

1169
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:50,020
parents doing now to to
encourage kids to be present?

1170
00:56:50,020 --> 00:56:53,560
Are they limiting screen time?
Yes. How does that work? I'm not

1171
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:53,740
good

1172
00:56:53,740 --> 00:56:56,320
at this. So I was telling you
guys I got married just about

1173
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,800
two years ago. I have four new
kids that were not previously

1174
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,400
mine. Now they're my kids. So
how long do you know them?

1175
00:57:02,460 --> 00:57:06,720
Sorry, I've known them four or
five years now, but did not live

1176
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:07,680
with them to get along

1177
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,660
with the ex cut the father,
actually, I

1178
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:12,720
do, yeah, yeah. He's a nice guy.
That's good, yeah, and I don't

1179
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:13,080
want to

1180
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,960
speak. So the oldest you you
were there during her formative

1181
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,340
years for sure. No,

1182
00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:19,560
because we weren't living
together. We were not in a house

1183
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,820
till we got married. A year now
I'm saying like, kind of knew

1184
00:57:22,820 --> 00:57:26,900
them, right, but now that I'm,
you know, trying to be dad to

1185
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:30,860
four kids, the screen thing is
very tough, because especially

1186
00:57:30,860 --> 00:57:33,260
the little guys, it's hard to
explain to them or try to give

1187
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:35,600
them time or and the only way to
punish a kid now is to take

1188
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,940
their screen away. Nobody cares
about grounding or getting

1189
00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:41,080
spanked or doing lawn care like
as long as they're back to their

1190
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,200
screen. So for me, that's been a
huge one to try to get on. I'm

1191
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,600
not saying I'm doing it well,
because I don't think I am. When

1192
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,880
I talk to other parents, they
say, Oh, you got to limit screen

1193
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,580
time that their attitudes are
going to and that's one thing my

1194
00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:54,100
wife and I notice, when you take
the screens away for a week,

1195
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,620
your kids are so much more
pleasant to be around because

1196
00:57:56,620 --> 00:57:59,500
they're they're not stuck in
that. And that's why this

1197
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:02,700
matrix, this causes so much
anxiety and stress and

1198
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:05,100
depression. Comparison. Yeah,
yeah. And because you're

1199
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:07,680
constantly looking at what's
better, what's in life that I

1200
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,320
don't have, we didn't have that.
We just were like, Let's go

1201
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,240
outside and play I'm bored.
Let's go play sports.

1202
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,200
Come back when the street

1203
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,120
lights are on. Seriously
different world.

1204
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:18,840
But it's it. As a parent who's
grown up, you know my kids

1205
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,640
obviously know me, I'll give you
a little, hopefully, a little

1206
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,020
bit of a word of encouragement.
The best thing you can do to

1207
00:58:27,020 --> 00:58:30,680
your detriment is get them
talking. Is get them to

1208
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,580
communicate with you. Man, I
agree with that, because my wife

1209
00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:37,280
has been just world class at
that because, I mean, our kids

1210
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,920
tell us stuff, or I'm like,
sitting there and they'll be

1211
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,680
bringing up stuff that like, I
go, Really, yeah, you know, it's

1212
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,740
just like, I'm your dad. I don't
need to know this kind of thing.

1213
00:58:47,740 --> 00:58:51,040
You know? I don't need it
seriously do, but at the same

1214
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,800
time, too much information to
have that kind of reaction,

1215
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,040
because communication is key, is
tantamount, and

1216
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,980
if you close that door, they're
not going to tell you anymore.

1217
00:58:59,980 --> 00:59:03,480
My wife is great about that as
well. And I I'm trying to do

1218
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,420
things like it's hard with four
I'm trying to do where I like

1219
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:08,640
take one out to dinner or
something, to just try to get

1220
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,740
one on one time with each of
them, because they won't talk

1221
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:13,080
around the other ones a lot of
times. So that's definitely a

1222
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,160
part of it. So yes, becoming a
parent in my 40s was not like

1223
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:19,860
your idea of things that would
happen.

1224
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:22,040
You jumped into the deep end
with it, yeah, yeah, you didn't

1225
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,840
have time to ramp up. I didn't,
and

1226
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,780
I'm more workaholic, so a lot of
the balance is my wife just

1227
00:59:26,780 --> 00:59:29,120
saying, Hey, do you need to take
that gig? And I'm like, we could

1228
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,440
use the extra $300 she's, like,
more than your kids, right? She

1229
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,880
does, but she was working six
nights a week, serving, and now

1230
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,220
she works three lunch shifts,
which is a huge improvement, in

1231
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:44,680
my opinion, because she's home
every night. And I'd love to get

1232
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,200
it to where she doesn't have to
work outside the home. My wife

1233
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,200
is anything but lazy, so I just
look at it like she's been a

1234
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,500
single mom so long, working full
time. I'd love to say, hey, why

1235
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:56,500
don't you just focus on the kids
and being home because you've

1236
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:59,920
already worked more hours than
any woman should have to any.

1237
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,600
Person. I'm not saying one word
woman in a negative way. Yeah,

1238
01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:04,500
Bitcoin.

1239
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,600
He broke the wall. He Mr. Furlid
it.

1240
01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:12,840
That's right, Bitcoin, just put
your money in Bitcoin, yeah, I

1241
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:13,560
mean, but you

1242
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,980
get, you have to borrow by
portions of them, Satoshis,

1243
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,860
yeah, what they're called,
that's like the nickels, dimes,

1244
01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:21,680
quarters of Bitcoin.

1245
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:25,580
How much you need to get in on
the smallest fraction you just

1246
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:29,480
buy? I think there's 100 million
Satoshis inside of a Bitcoin. So

1247
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,600
one fact, as they say, as the
kids say, stack your SATs, is

1248
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,020
that what the kids say, that's
the Bitcoiners.

1249
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,200
That's what the Bitcoiners, what
do the crypto bros talk about?

1250
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,820
Yeah, interesting, try. I've
been very big into crypto in the

1251
01:00:42,820 --> 01:00:44,860
last two to three years. Well,

1252
01:00:44,860 --> 01:00:48,280
it could make me sound hip. It
could be part of your, you know,

1253
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:50,680
retirement strategy, yeah, you

1254
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,140
know, God willing, yeah. I think
the dollar is going out the

1255
01:00:53,140 --> 01:00:57,820
door. But, you know, think so.
World reserve currencies only

1256
01:00:57,820 --> 01:01:02,940
last about 80 to 100 years on
average, and the dollar is about

1257
01:01:02,940 --> 01:01:03,240
there,

1258
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:06,480
oh, my god, yeah, yeah. You
know, it's really comical. Pen

1259
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,880
says that's, that's zero value.
None.

1260
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:10,800
Is that the dollars got zero
value.

1261
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,440
It's a Fiat hitting that point.
Yeah, yeah, wow.

1262
01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:18,240
Because it takes at least $5 to
do anything, yes, you know, like

1263
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,540
a cup of coffee is like, Dude,
you better have five bucks. Look

1264
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:20,720
at

1265
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,960
it this way. In 2010 when I
first heard about Bitcoin, was

1266
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,440
2012 2013 when I was selling
Mercedes, and I was like, What

1267
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,080
is this crypto, Bitcoin? How do
I buy it? I have no idea. You

1268
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,900
know, it took like, three or
three to five different hoops to

1269
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:35,780
jump through to Buy a Bitcoin.
Back then it was, like, 100

1270
01:01:37,340 --> 01:01:39,260
bucks. Should have bought, yeah,
see so much,

1271
01:01:39,260 --> 01:01:41,900
100 of them. But you don't know.
How could you know? No, right?

1272
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:42,080
So, I

1273
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,560
mean, it was one of those things
that you kind of looked at it

1274
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,440
and nobody knew what it was
going to mean. To me, it was

1275
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,860
like the internet circa,
probably 1985 you know what? I

1276
01:01:50,860 --> 01:01:53,560
mean, everybody, you're probably
a very select few, a bunch of

1277
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,980
people that knew what the
internet was, but the world did

1278
01:01:56,980 --> 01:02:00,280
not, you know right now,
cryptocurrency, I believe, is

1279
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,760
probably the internet circa 1994
95 it hasn't had mass adoption

1280
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:12,240
yet. Nope. Telling you, crypto
guys, I didn't need to start a

1281
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,660
crypto podcast. No, Jim, you
don't need anything else. I need

1282
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:16,800
more podcasts to produce.

1283
01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:18,960
I'm gonna throw one other
financial thing at you. This

1284
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,040
changed my life this year. Yeah,
tell I'm not gonna get too into

1285
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,160
it. I came across this last
year. It's a company in Franklin

1286
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,200
called, I don't know if either
of you heard of this. It's

1287
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,800
called replace your mortgage
University, and it's couple guys

1288
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,380
who were bankers that figured
this out that if you have a 30

1289
01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:35,960
year mortgage, do either of you
have a 30 year mortgage? I have

1290
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:40,220
an all in one, so that's what it
is, yeah. So is he all in one?

1291
01:02:40,220 --> 01:02:41,680
Yes. So you've already heard
about this,

1292
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,060
yeah. So it's getting more
popular.

1293
01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:46,660
So it's your HELOC, yes. So
first position HELOC, it was

1294
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:49,840
very difficult to do self
employed, to show the income to

1295
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,260
refinance, but I just refinanced
after a year and a half in this

1296
01:02:53,260 --> 01:02:58,000
house to a HELOC, and now my 30
year mortgage is going down to

1297
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,880
8.3 years, if I just stay on
track with what I'm doing. So

1298
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,660
and I'm not gonna get into it,
since you already and it's

1299
01:03:03,660 --> 01:03:05,820
liquid all the time, that's what
I I'm trying to tell all my

1300
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:07,980
friends, and they're like, Well,
I don't get it. And I said, I

1301
01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:10,200
get that. I did the whole
course. I had to study for 40

1302
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,500
hours on this. But I'm telling
you, your money is liquid all

1303
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:15,060
the time, so you can always take
it out,

1304
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,880
but you have to have a mindset
shift, and you have to make sure

1305
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,680
you're making more than you
spend. But that

1306
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,440
wasn't a mindset shift. That was
just continuing to live the way

1307
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,380
I was living. Way I was living,
right? That's, well, you're

1308
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:24,860
probably

1309
01:03:24,860 --> 01:03:27,080
physically, physically
responsible, yes, which makes

1310
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,360
sense in that case, because
every time you get paid, it's

1311
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,820
being swept over into the
account, and it's driving down

1312
01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:32,720
that principle. And

1313
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,000
so that's a whole weird thing to
get into that's not drama

1314
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,460
related, no. But, I mean, Jim
has been telling me about it for

1315
01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:39,740
years, I would say I just and
this company doing it, they're

1316
01:03:39,740 --> 01:03:42,580
like, we're not the only company
doing this. You don't need us to

1317
01:03:42,580 --> 01:03:45,280
do this. We just train you how.
And I bought another thing. It

1318
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,880
was $6,000 and I've already in a
in a couple months, have already

1319
01:03:48,940 --> 01:03:49,240
but

1320
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,360
to your point, rich drummers
need new drummers coming up.

1321
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,740
Need to know this stuff. So

1322
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,920
one thing Jim Riley was so big
on was opening a Roth. Ira and I

1323
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,680
never did. And finally, at age
40, I had gone through divorce,

1324
01:03:59,740 --> 01:04:02,100
bought my first house. Got out
of debt, and I started the Roth,

1325
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:05,280
and I don't have a ton in there,
but yeah, I wish I would start

1326
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,100
at 20, but 40 is not too late.
I'm still gonna have a little

1327
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:11,820
bit when I'm 65 or whatever. So
I'm so huge on telling younger

1328
01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:14,880
players, squirrel some stuff
away, yeah, and figure out

1329
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,340
different ways to do it, like
the Roth is one cool way to do

1330
01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:19,860
it. And another thing is, I
bought my first little house, I

1331
01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:22,580
built that studio. I never
thought I'd remarry, and when I

1332
01:04:22,580 --> 01:04:24,860
met Amber and the kids and
remarried, I was like, well, now

1333
01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:27,500
we got 25 people. We can't live
in this little house. So, so

1334
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,680
that's your studio, yeah, so I
had to buy another house. I kept

1335
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,500
the studio house, which was
almost a miracle. It felt like

1336
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:37,400
God really provided that. But I
Airbnb the house on weekends,

1337
01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:41,560
and I use the studio Monday to
Thursday, and I lock it up. And

1338
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,860
so renting it out two days every
week, pays the mortgage and pays

1339
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:47,800
all the utilities on it. So
smart. So I own a second house.

1340
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,620
That's probably eight minutes
for me. I manage it myself. I

1341
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,020
manage it from the road. I use
the app I'm on there every day

1342
01:04:53,020 --> 01:04:56,260
changing stuff, and it's not
that much time, once you learn

1343
01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:58,420
how to do it. And then my wife
and I kind of split the

1344
01:04:58,420 --> 01:05:00,660
cleaning. She does all the
cleaning when I'm. On. So that's

1345
01:05:00,660 --> 01:05:04,020
super nice, but we've just made
it work. And so that's also

1346
01:05:04,020 --> 01:05:06,060
newer. In the last year and a
half of like, now I've got an

1347
01:05:06,060 --> 01:05:08,700
investment property on top of
the other stuff that's really

1348
01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:11,160
smart. Yeah. I mean, do you ever
go in there and it's like, it's

1349
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,980
like a crime scene with, like,
bodily fluids and stuff? No. And

1350
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:14,100
I'm

1351
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:16,560
always like, it's gonna happen
one of these days, but you have

1352
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,780
to have through Airbnb, you have
to raise your insurance on it.

1353
01:05:20,780 --> 01:05:23,120
And through the city, was so
hard to get the permit there,

1354
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,700
like they hate Airbnbs because
they've messed with the economy

1355
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:27,800
here. Yeah? And so you have to
jump through all these hoops.

1356
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,560
And it was like you have to have
a million dollars insurance on

1357
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:34,520
your property for that stuff
too. So we've had a few issues,

1358
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,260
but nothing. Yeah. Well, the
thing that

1359
01:05:36,260 --> 01:05:38,480
a lot of people need to
understand, especially young

1360
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,380
people coming up, is that
they're being sold the American

1361
01:05:41,380 --> 01:05:45,280
dream as home ownership. And as
I've gotten older, it's like,

1362
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,360
Well, I understand that, but
until you have that mortgage

1363
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,880
paid off, you don't own that
home. Because if you miss a

1364
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,120
payment, they're going to remind
you real quick who owns it. And,

1365
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,980
well, I'm going to pay it off.
And, you know, do the Dave

1366
01:05:56,980 --> 01:05:59,620
Ramsey thing. Well, guess what?
And you still have to pay taxes.

1367
01:05:59,620 --> 01:06:02,340
You still have to pay your
property taxes, and as long as

1368
01:06:02,340 --> 01:06:08,340
property taxes are in play, you
don't own shit. You do not own

1369
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,400
anything you it was funny
because somebody the other day

1370
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,560
was telling me that they sold
their house and they had to pay

1371
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,860
capital gains taxes. And I'm
like, Are you freaking kidding

1372
01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:19,380
me? It's like they're getting
you for everything. The only

1373
01:06:19,380 --> 01:06:22,100
thing you really own is the
equity in the house, which the

1374
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:25,100
all in one which what you're
talking about gives you access

1375
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:27,980
to that's what you really only
own, you know. But as long as

1376
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:31,040
there's property taxes, which
are the most dastardly of taxes,

1377
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,120
and I will say publicly,

1378
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:35,540
but then they went up 33% in
Davidson County,

1379
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,900
right? That's the thing is that,
you know, if you don't pay them,

1380
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,900
but you're going to own your
house.

1381
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,180
Mount Julie, it is

1382
01:06:44,260 --> 01:06:46,060
Wilson. Robert Wilson, yeah.

1383
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,360
So, I mean, that's, you know,
and working around that, and

1384
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,060
getting the mindset of, like,
what Grant Cardone talks about,

1385
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:54,460
like, Look, if you're going to
go into a property ownership,

1386
01:06:54,460 --> 01:06:58,180
then own multiple doors and rent
them out, yeah,

1387
01:06:58,300 --> 01:06:59,980
you know. But there is no

1388
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:08,460
more safe, probably surefire,
way to create equity Understood.

1389
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,560
Then, then homeowners
Absolutely,

1390
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,080
but a lot of the way it's being
sold is that you own your

1391
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,160
property. No, you don't,

1392
01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:19,080
no, You never, truly just don't
miss the payment. It's just,

1393
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:20,760
just keep paying it.

1394
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,120
But, you know, but that's the
thing, is that, like, again,

1395
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,640
going back to my point, once you
pay off the freaking mortgage,

1396
01:07:26,300 --> 01:07:29,000
you still got to pay, pay, make
payments on it, and you're not

1397
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,080
even control of the rate. It's
kind of, it's it's maddening. I

1398
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,740
sure hope these, uh, rates come
down, because they might. I'm

1399
01:07:36,740 --> 01:07:40,280
going to refi like a mother.
Maybe do the all in one, get

1400
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,880
access. You want me to do it,
but good, because you have a lot

1401
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,200
of money, right? You'd save a
lot

1402
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,560
of money. You pay it off
quicker, and you'd also have

1403
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,140
access to your equity if you
ever need it. Real quick. I'm

1404
01:07:50,140 --> 01:07:53,500
going to save over $400,000 of
what I would have paid on

1405
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:55,900
interest on this house in 30
years. That's the part that's

1406
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:58,780
hard to grasp, how it's not like
fake or, Oh

1407
01:07:58,780 --> 01:08:02,340
yeah, because, I mean, it takes
for in the amortization process,

1408
01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:05,160
exactly what it is the first
decade they front

1409
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:06,120
load the interest. It's

1410
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,640
a wash. You're just paying, just
lose your pain,

1411
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,100
right? But what's the what's the
catch? There's got to be

1412
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:12,720
something in it for them. There

1413
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,780
is, and here's my best way of
understanding it. You might have

1414
01:08:15,780 --> 01:08:18,780
a better explanation, right? The
bank is getting your whole lump

1415
01:08:18,780 --> 01:08:21,060
sum because you're trying to
keep money in there, and that's

1416
01:08:21,060 --> 01:08:23,540
what keeps knocking the rate
down. They have your money the

1417
01:08:23,540 --> 01:08:26,900
whole time, so for 10 years, or
whatever amount of time, you're

1418
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,000
putting all your funds in there
all the time. And they can

1419
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,520
obviously use that for whatever.
So they don't even sell your

1420
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,860
your payment, because it's not a
mortgage, and they are

1421
01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:37,100
controlling more funds of your
money. It's just for a third of

1422
01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:39,620
the time. So they're making more
on it, and you're making more on

1423
01:08:39,620 --> 01:08:41,380
it. That's the best way I
understood

1424
01:08:41,380 --> 01:08:44,080
it. That's the trade off. But
the thing is, is that you have

1425
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,980
access to your equity, immediate
access. That's

1426
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,140
that's dangerous, because I got
mine for $370,000

1427
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:54,939
and that's what the that was
for. So I it paid off my

1428
01:08:54,939 --> 01:08:58,359
mortgage right away. But now I'm
sitting with liquid 370 in that

1429
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,079
account I could pull out if I
wanted to buy a car. That's very

1430
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,299
scary, yeah, but they said, as
long as you keep living the way

1431
01:09:03,299 --> 01:09:06,239
you are, you're fine, you just
keep knocking it down, yeah,

1432
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,180
yeah, so you can buy your car
and it's basically in the house,

1433
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,240
yeah, yeah. You're paying
yourself in

1434
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,240
a way. Anyways, this is veered
greatly from the drum stuff.

1435
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:15,600
Now, you know,

1436
01:09:15,599 --> 01:09:18,179
but that's important. It is,
yeah, I mean, but

1437
01:09:18,180 --> 01:09:21,740
people with experience, fast
forward two months from now,

1438
01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:23,960
you're wearing all designer
clothes, and you're driving a

1439
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:24,200
Porsche,

1440
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:27,680
yeah? And if you do that, you're
gonna tank yourself just like

1441
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:27,980
you would,

1442
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:30,559
like Mercurio would be very
upset with you right now.

1443
01:09:30,559 --> 01:09:33,019
Oh, I'm just saying, I'm just
saying it that that's Porsche,

1444
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:37,099
temptation, Porsche, Porsche,
Porsche, Porsche. Yeah,

1445
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:38,060
gotta say it, right?

1446
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:39,680
Well, man, you're, you know,
you're doing all the right

1447
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,300
thing. I'm just, I'm just
terribly impressed with, you

1448
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:45,340
know, all the gigs you're
juggling, and you say, Well, I'm

1449
01:09:45,340 --> 01:09:48,880
not on an a gig, but whatever
the gigs are, what if, whatever

1450
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,960
they are, B plus is, it's, it's
all equals an A, because you

1451
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,260
have a career in drumming and
you're providing for a family of

1452
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:56,920
five,

1453
01:09:57,460 --> 01:10:01,800
well, family of six. Family six.
Super. Thankful because for all

1454
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,260
of it, but looking back like I
know when I first met you, and

1455
01:10:04,260 --> 01:10:06,780
telling you, like you're one of
those guys that I have so much

1456
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:09,780
respect for doing this, because
yes, you've played on big

1457
01:10:09,780 --> 01:10:13,080
records, unless, yes, you play
for big artists, but you've done

1458
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,140
this for a career, for 30 years,
or whatever you've done, yeah,

1459
01:10:16,140 --> 01:10:19,020
to juggle this, and you've done
the speaking engagements, you've

1460
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:21,440
done the clinics, and you've
I've just always looked we're

1461
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,680
still alive. I've looked at you
hustling, like going. Lots of

1462
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,140
people get to your level and be
like, I do one thing, and that's

1463
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:30,200
it. And you don't. You're always
working, always. So you were one

1464
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,960
of my for not being that much
older than me. I was always

1465
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,780
like, this is the kind of guy I
want to do this, like, a career,

1466
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,600
yeah. And some people love what
you do, and some probably hate

1467
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,920
it. And who cares? You're doing
your thing. Oh, I'd love to

1468
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,100
hear some of the conversations
when I leave the room. But, you

1469
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:48,700
know, we're all, we all could be
treated, you know, we if we all

1470
01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:51,520
heard those conversations,
because it's just, you know,

1471
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,340
it's not a good thing. Gossip is
not a good thing. It's very

1472
01:10:54,340 --> 01:11:00,180
detrimental as part of the, you
know, the human condition. Try

1473
01:11:00,180 --> 01:11:03,420
not to think about those things,
because people are talking about

1474
01:11:03,420 --> 01:11:04,140
us, you know?

1475
01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:06,120
Well, that's the thing. You've
made yourself a brand, and

1476
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,460
that's what I love, and that's
what irritates people, because

1477
01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:10,560
they'll be jealous like, I wish
I would have done it rich did

1478
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,740
2030, years ago. It's like,
well, you didn't, and he did. So

1479
01:11:14,340 --> 01:11:15,360
this is

1480
01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:19,080
where we're a a long line of
people that have come on the

1481
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,880
show and have paid homage to
you. Oh, I believe, because

1482
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,000
that's, and that's, and there's
a reason for that, you know,

1483
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,300
because we've had very intimate
conversations and Jim and

1484
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:33,560
friends for eight years. And
it's like, sometimes you, even

1485
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,740
though you're you know what
you've done, there's still a

1486
01:11:36,740 --> 01:11:39,080
chance of getting down about
things, yeah, stuff like that.

1487
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,740
I'm like, Dude, you know you've
set out. I remember you said you

1488
01:11:41,740 --> 01:11:46,240
put it on a glossy business card
or a recipe card or something,

1489
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,660
that what I want to do is have a
positive impact on be a top call

1490
01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:52,060
drummer and have a positive
impact on the people I meet.

1491
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:54,640
Dude, you've done it, man, we
just got

1492
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,320
to keep doing and you're doing
it. That's

1493
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,060
the thing. You've done it. And I
mean, I

1494
01:11:58,060 --> 01:12:02,040
was, I was trying to look back
to when we met, and I found a

1495
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,820
picture of us at NAMM today,
from like 2012 maybe something,

1496
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,300
right before I moved to
Nashville, back to Nashville,

1497
01:12:09,300 --> 01:12:13,440
and I remember you and I going
to probably that year. We went

1498
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:17,760
to lunch at just downtown. And I
just remember you took the time

1499
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,560
and I was we went to the Pizza
Pizza Pizza Kitchen. What's it

1500
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,780
called over in green hills. I
don't know if it's still there.

1501
01:12:23,780 --> 01:12:26,840
Oh gosh, California Pizza, yes.
Oh my. I don't know why I

1502
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,300
remember that, but I just
remember standing there talking

1503
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:31,700
in the parking lot after and
looking back, it meant a lot to

1504
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:34,520
me then, but looking at it now,
and knowing how busy I am and

1505
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,920
where I'm at in my career, and
thinking like, you did that when

1506
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,740
you were, like, already super
established, I just was thinking

1507
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:40,840
like, how much that meant.

1508
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:44,860
I remember coming to that my
house for the first time, like,

1509
01:12:44,860 --> 01:12:47,680
holy crap, he's actually coming
here. I never said it wasn't

1510
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,020
like you were charging me, and
it wasn't like you were sitting

1511
01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:52,540
there checking your it was just
like you were being real. He

1512
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:53,260
gives you, He

1513
01:12:53,260 --> 01:12:57,220
gives you 100% of himself. And
that's the thing is, is that you

1514
01:12:57,220 --> 01:13:01,860
did a clinic at Forex several
years ago, and you were just

1515
01:13:01,860 --> 01:13:04,800
utterly astounded at how many
people came out to see you,

1516
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,680
yeah, and you were just, I'm
like, why don't you get this?

1517
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:10,140
That was cool, you know? And
why? Why don't you understand

1518
01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:14,220
that these people see who you
are and how good of a person and

1519
01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:17,100
beautiful soul that you are. Oh,
thanks, Jim. Okay, am I close to

1520
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:17,640
getting you to

1521
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,900
tears so sweet? Well, you know,
I mean, I, I am easily terrible.

1522
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,100
You are terrible.

1523
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,920
Yes, yeah, it's serious. So
coming in a great drummer is one

1524
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,020
thing, playing all the music's
one thing connecting with

1525
01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:29,660
people. That's the skill set. I
just that a lot of people don't

1526
01:13:29,660 --> 01:13:33,380
have love people. I went to a
pretty, relatively impromptu

1527
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,500
drummer's luncheon the other
day, because you probably know

1528
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:39,080
this kid, Jordan Arnold. He's
this young kid in town. He kind

1529
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,680
of plays like Tommy Lee. He's
got like, he's got the big kick

1530
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,980
drum and the three floor toms,
and plays in a real energetic

1531
01:13:44,980 --> 01:13:48,280
style, and licks his sticks. And
he stole some of my twirls, and

1532
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,860
he's doing the thing. And he
connected with Greg Bissonette,

1533
01:13:50,860 --> 01:13:54,040
and Greg bissonettes Get him a
Dixon deal, like he's starting

1534
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,220
to play, he's doing the thing.
And he said, Hey, we should do a

1535
01:13:57,220 --> 01:13:59,380
drummer's lunch. And like, you
know, the ones I do on the first

1536
01:13:59,380 --> 01:14:02,700
Wednesday of every month over at
that, that rat trap Chinese

1537
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:07,620
buffet, I got, I got to tell the
guys, you got to change the

1538
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:10,380
venue. But it's hard to find a
place where you could fit 30

1539
01:14:10,380 --> 01:14:14,280
drummers in, like a like a last
supper style bike. So anyways,

1540
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:20,460
he gets five or six guys
together, and we go to Martin's

1541
01:14:21,660 --> 01:14:25,400
on Elliston, and we sit down and
we're breaking bread and we're

1542
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,640
cutting up. And for I know, it
two and a half hours go by,

1543
01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:32,000
yeah, oh, my God, just I love
drummers. Yeah, I love drummers.

1544
01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:34,640
Bass players don't do that.
Guitar players don't do that.

1545
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,380
Singers don't do that. Very

1546
01:14:36,380 --> 01:14:39,200
unique to our instrument that
like brotherhood. You

1547
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,120
go to the Music City drum show.
And you see that culture a lot

1548
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,260
of very helpful people. There's
very little ego. Yeah,

1549
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,140
even that drummer's lunch. And I
always miss it. I try to go,

1550
01:14:50,140 --> 01:14:53,140
like, once a year, but that
Wednesday thing is the nicest

1551
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:54,580
people, and it's, we have

1552
01:14:54,580 --> 01:14:59,260
to move the venue. I don't want
kung pao chicken served with a

1553
01:14:59,260 --> 01:15:02,340
side. Cockroach. It it's
definitely, it's

1554
01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:06,720
definitely rough. Let's move it
to Franklin. Yeah, Cool Springs.

1555
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:07,260
I just think

1556
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:09,720
that, you know, if people were
willing to drive to Spring Hill,

1557
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,040
the Martins here in Spring Hill
has a gigantic dining hall, and

1558
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,100
we could break bread and just be
loud. Let's do it, big, high

1559
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:18,060
ceilings and so be

1560
01:15:18,060 --> 01:15:20,780
like, Hey, man, can I? Can I be
a part of it? I'm not really a

1561
01:15:20,780 --> 01:15:22,220
working drummer, but I'm trying,
dude,

1562
01:15:22,220 --> 01:15:25,640
you're a working everything.
Yeah, you guys both have a work

1563
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,480
ethic, serious work ethic, as do
you. Congratulations on

1564
01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:31,880
everything, buddy. Thank you.
You did it. You came to

1565
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,420
Nashville like you came here for
college. You know you've worked

1566
01:15:35,420 --> 01:15:38,480
around this physical ailment
that was very impressive to work

1567
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:41,800
around that you know you're
playing through pain. You get

1568
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,620
your degree, you go out west,
you, you know, become a founding

1569
01:15:44,620 --> 01:15:48,700
member of a, you know, it's an
iconic punk band now, man, you

1570
01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:52,180
know, it's like in the you've
changed things 20 years. That's

1571
01:15:52,180 --> 01:15:55,420
amazing. Then you come back
here, you're doing all this

1572
01:15:55,420 --> 01:15:56,860
stuff, great.

1573
01:15:57,580 --> 01:16:00,600
Well, I hugely appreciate it.
That means a lot. I i try to be

1574
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,780
thankful every day and just keep
going and try to go. What do we

1575
01:16:03,780 --> 01:16:06,360
do to keep this? Yeah, like, how
do we keep this afloat another

1576
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,160
20 years? I don't know. That's
teaching. That's

1577
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,700
the recording playing locally,
saving your money, all the

1578
01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:13,860
stuff, all in one. HELOC,

1579
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:15,180
seriously, check it out,

1580
01:16:15,180 --> 01:16:17,160
guys, check it out. I

1581
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,560
promise you. Give it a half
hour, it'll change your life.

1582
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:20,180
It's

1583
01:16:20,180 --> 01:16:22,520
a different way to think about
mortgages. You signed up for,

1584
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,340
you paid good money to take the
class, to educate yourself,

1585
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:27,440
to do that. Yeah, the quick the
other quick story on is my

1586
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:30,200
buddy, who's doing marketing for
me, says his company in Franklin

1587
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,780
small but check it out. He
explained it to me in like five

1588
01:16:32,780 --> 01:16:35,480
minutes ago. It's too good to be
true, doesn't that's impossible.

1589
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:39,800
I said it's got to be a gimmick.
So I looked at the stuff online.

1590
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,000
I called my dad. My dad's like,
Mr. Financial just got it

1591
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,180
together. His house is paid off
retired. He didn't retire till

1592
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:49,600
like 75 so he made sure he had
all these things in line. He's

1593
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,360
super hard worker. He's been a
pastor my whole life, and just

1594
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,440
now he just rides his Harley and
he's retired. So anyways, I call

1595
01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:58,540
the rev my dad, and I said,
check this out. Do you think

1596
01:16:58,540 --> 01:17:00,520
this is crazy? He goes, Yeah,
that's too good to be true.

1597
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,880
That's can't be possible. I
said, yeah, just look at the

1598
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,120
YouTube video. So he calls me
the next day. He goes, Well, I

1599
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,240
ended up watching five hours
last night of videos about this.

1600
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,360
And he goes, if my house was not
paid off, I would do this. You

1601
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,820
need to look at this. I don't
know if this is going to be

1602
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:17,580
around forever or if this is
going to change in our you know,

1603
01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:20,040
the way the laws work, but you
need to do this. So wow, I

1604
01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:22,700
bought the program, and the only
reason I bought is because I

1605
01:17:22,700 --> 01:17:25,700
didn't know anybody else who'd
done it, which is crazy, like I

1606
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:28,340
hadn't even talked to a single
person who had. And they kept

1607
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,500
saying, you don't need our
program. If you know how to do

1608
01:17:30,500 --> 01:17:32,600
this, we're just helping you
through it, and that's how we

1609
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,480
make our money. So I bought the
program, did the whole course,

1610
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:40,160
and and they said, we help you
get a refinance on your home. If

1611
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,100
we don't, we'll give you your
money back. That's how you

1612
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:44,380
pay off your house in eight
years, as opposed to 30. Yeah,

1613
01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:45,820
it just said they average about

1614
01:17:45,820 --> 01:17:48,100
a third of the time based on
what you're making, what you're

1615
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:51,820
saving, and you have to have a
credit score over 700 so if you

1616
01:17:51,820 --> 01:17:54,940
don't have a credit score over
700 and you don't have 20%

1617
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:58,180
equity in the house, you can't
do it. Gotcha. But I had 20 and

1618
01:17:58,180 --> 01:18:01,200
my credit score was like 839, it
was crazy high this year. For

1619
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:01,620
some even

1620
01:18:01,620 --> 01:18:05,580
have credit scores that I 839
Yeah, I bet if I look right now,

1621
01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:08,760
it's at least 820 Whoa, yeah.
Whoa, that's perfect, dude.

1622
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:13,680
Anywho so good credit score and
20% down, you can do it. But

1623
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,520
refinancing self employed as a
musician, just like buying a

1624
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,440
house, super hard. Siri, Siri
and Alexa

1625
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:21,660
are gonna pick up on this
podcast episode, and you're

1626
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:24,260
gonna get freaking inundated.
Freaking inundated with credit

1627
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:24,800
card offers.

1628
01:18:24,860 --> 01:18:29,720
Yeah. Well, what's your favorite
color? Black, amazing. What

1629
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:31,160
about your favorite food?

1630
01:18:32,780 --> 01:18:36,500
I I'm always a burger guy, but I
really have loved barbecue

1631
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:38,840
moving to the south. I didn't
grow up with it. It wasn't a

1632
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:39,620
thing. Well, that works

1633
01:18:39,620 --> 01:18:41,800
out great, because that's what
you're eating on a country music

1634
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,440
tour. Yeah, hey, guess what? We
got the best barbecue you've

1635
01:18:44,440 --> 01:18:46,540
ever had in your life. It's
usually not, though I know we

1636
01:18:46,540 --> 01:18:48,940
had been we had Ben Jackson in
here, and, you know, he spent

1637
01:18:48,940 --> 01:18:51,400
like, a decade touring, and he's
like, the best barbecue you've

1638
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,360
ever had in your life. Every day
someone claims it, you know. So,

1639
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,340
the best barbecue in the country
where

1640
01:18:58,600 --> 01:18:59,920
I have a firm number one,

1641
01:19:01,540 --> 01:19:03,960
you know, my thing is, I just
always, no matter where I am, I

1642
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,620
get the Texas Beef Brisket. I
like the brisket. So when in

1643
01:19:07,620 --> 01:19:10,740
Texas, you know, yep, that's
always the thing. But as far as,

1644
01:19:10,740 --> 01:19:13,500
like, a brand, you know, I was
just at Martin's pretty good.

1645
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,080
Yeah, I like the brisket them,
and Ed Lee's in town. I like Ed

1646
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,540
Lee's brisket a little better. I
like Martin's sides better.

1647
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,160
Terry Black's, which is in
Austin originally, and also in

1648
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,280
Dallas, that is my favorite, the
brisket. But they have these

1649
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,820
beef ribs that are like this
big, that are like brisket on a

1650
01:19:28,820 --> 01:19:30,440
rib. I don't know it's like
crack,

1651
01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:33,560
though. So you told me one time
you're kind of a foodie, kind

1652
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:33,740
of,

1653
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,380
I'm not like, I don't spend a
lot, but if we're like, this

1654
01:19:36,380 --> 01:19:39,440
week with Hawthorne, we played
in Vegas at the strat, sad that

1655
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:42,040
we had dinner at the top of the,
like, Space Needle looking

1656
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,580
thing. I had $100 steak that I
didn't pay for. Like, I get to

1657
01:19:45,580 --> 01:19:48,880
do that as we do, but if I were
on a date, would I do that? No,

1658
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:49,780
because I'm too cheap.

1659
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:55,180
We ate a $60 steak this week.
Yeah. What does $100 steaks

1660
01:19:55,180 --> 01:19:55,780
taste like?

1661
01:19:55,780 --> 01:19:58,300
Yeah, to me, I'll tell you, I
was shocked, because I don't

1662
01:19:58,300 --> 01:20:00,960
think, I don't consider myself
to have. Like, a professional

1663
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,780
palette of expensive food. And I
was like, Is this going to be

1664
01:20:03,780 --> 01:20:06,600
better than, like, you know,
going to Outback? Probably not,

1665
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,860
because that's like, I'm more
like, like, for my birthday.

1666
01:20:10,860 --> 01:20:13,140
Last night, my wife and I went
to Longhorn, and it was

1667
01:20:13,140 --> 01:20:14,280
fantastic. Your

1668
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,220
birthday yesterday. Yeah, you
just turned 44 Yeah, yesterday.

1669
01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:18,120
Happy birthday. So that's

1670
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,800
a great meal for me. This was,
like, Australian beef or

1671
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,260
something, you know, it was like
something, and they had, they

1672
01:20:24,260 --> 01:20:26,660
had wagyu, and they had, like,
three or four different kinds,

1673
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,380
and I was just, like, $92 for a
steak. That seems steep, and I

1674
01:20:30,620 --> 01:20:32,900
had it, and the guys were all
looking at me because they all

1675
01:20:32,900 --> 01:20:35,120
have more expensive taste, and
they have all been in this,

1676
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,180
members of this band for a long
time, and just financially, in a

1677
01:20:38,180 --> 01:20:41,320
different place than I am,
different tax bracket, yeah, and

1678
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,320
I'm the hired gun guy, so I try
to, I go, guys, that's literally

1679
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:45,880
the best steak I've ever had. So

1680
01:20:45,940 --> 01:20:48,400
for 92 bucks, it better It
better be, yeah, all I can say,

1681
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:49,000
it was great.

1682
01:20:49,060 --> 01:20:50,200
Now, what about a

1683
01:20:51,340 --> 01:20:54,160
drink? I forget if you do the
cocktail thing, every once in a

1684
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,160
while, I have never had a drink
in my life. I think I remember

1685
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,220
hearing that I am addicted
highly to Diet Coke, and I'm

1686
01:21:00,220 --> 01:21:03,300
very opinionated about diet
coke, but I don't drink alcohol

1687
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:06,240
or coffee, which is really
aspartame. Yeah,

1688
01:21:06,660 --> 01:21:09,660
my business partner, he'll drink
Diet Coke, no coffee, no

1689
01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:10,020
nothing,

1690
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,440
yeah. So I'm very big on the
fountain being my favorite. And

1691
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,900
I fight with people about this a
lot because, like, a gas station

1692
01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:18,420
is terrible. And I'm like, I
agree you can't beat McDonald's

1693
01:21:18,420 --> 01:21:19,980
diet coke out of the fountain,
or Coke, for

1694
01:21:19,980 --> 01:21:23,780
that matter, it's, it's perfect
because of the carbonation,

1695
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,960
yes, and there's a shipped cold,
it's the only one that comes in

1696
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,480
cold canisters that's
refrigerated, and they have

1697
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:31,640
their own. It's just slightly
different than everywhere

1698
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,700
else now. But you do know that
aspartame is, like, terrible,

1699
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:35,840
terrible. I agree,

1700
01:21:35,900 --> 01:21:38,660
yeah, and it may be my downfall,
but everybody's got something

1701
01:21:38,660 --> 01:21:40,100
in. Like, if that's what kills
me, I love

1702
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:42,700
it. So was that, like, like,
your the rev coming into your

1703
01:21:42,700 --> 01:21:45,820
influence in your life, where he
was like, Don't ever take a sip

1704
01:21:45,820 --> 01:21:46,360
of No. And my

1705
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,000
parents didn't drink when I was
a kid. Like, they'll drink wine.

1706
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,480
Now, I definitely grew up in
that 90s Christian Era of like,

1707
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:55,420
alcohol is the devil kind of
thing. But now it's really not.

1708
01:21:55,420 --> 01:21:59,200
I just chose not to. Till 21 I
was like, and then I started

1709
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,860
touring that band. I'm like, I'm
like, I'm not going to do drugs

1710
01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:04,200
and I'm not going to drink or
smoke, because I want to be

1711
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,840
different for kids. Like, that's
part of my example as a

1712
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,420
Christian, but also as, like, a
professional, this is how I'm

1713
01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:11,760
going to be, yeah. And what's
funny 20 years later, like,

1714
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,740
that's one of the biggest
reasons Hawthorne Heights,

1715
01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:15,960
besides us being friends,
they're like, we're kind of a

1716
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,000
sober band, and so we're a
little boring on the road. We

1717
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,540
just don't want somebody that's
a wild card. They all got sober,

1718
01:22:20,660 --> 01:22:23,000
yeah? And they were just never a
big drinking band, like they'll

1719
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,160
have a cocktail or whatever,
like you're talking about, but,

1720
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,040
I mean, there's not hard liquor
on the bus. And we're touring

1721
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,140
with bands who are like, you
know, some are doing cocaine

1722
01:22:30,140 --> 01:22:32,780
every night, and it's just still
living it like it's the rock

1723
01:22:32,780 --> 01:22:35,720
stars you can't do that. And
with, yeah, and we're the dudes

1724
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,420
who are like, well, you're like,
Rush touring, because that's

1725
01:22:39,260 --> 01:22:42,580
kind of what it felt like so but
we just, guys would be

1726
01:22:42,580 --> 01:22:46,180
in their hotel rooms, like,
reading books, yeah, kisses,

1727
01:22:46,180 --> 01:22:47,980
having, like, orgies, and we're
just,

1728
01:22:47,980 --> 01:22:50,920
and that was another thing. Like
married family guys, like, we

1729
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,920
just, this is how we operate.
We're a business. If you put the

1730
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,380
business first, it's always
gonna have a better chance to

1731
01:22:56,380 --> 01:22:59,740
succeed than if you're doing
stuff. So that's kind of the

1732
01:22:59,740 --> 01:23:02,460
thing. It's not like I'm against
drinking. And if we were at

1733
01:23:02,460 --> 01:23:05,280
dinner and my wife had a drink,
like, Great, I'm on board. I

1734
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,280
always kind of want to try, but
then I go, I've come this far. I

1735
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,820
might as well just like, write
out my things. Why, in my 40s,

1736
01:23:11,820 --> 01:23:14,040
start drinking, right?
Especially because I'm very

1737
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,920
addictive with drinks
specifically, yeah, like, if I

1738
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,440
had a Diet Coke here that was
this big, it'd be done, like,

1739
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:20,640
I'd already have it down. Okay,

1740
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,240
well, I wish we I think we got
some in there. We gotta send you

1741
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,660
on your way with some aspartame,
right? So, so Jim has got a new

1742
01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:27,500
series called The

1743
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,580
Deep five. The depressing five
was that we're going, what's

1744
01:23:31,580 --> 01:23:34,160
they could be depressing, but
let's not do that.

1745
01:23:35,180 --> 01:23:38,360
Okay, so what is wrong? What
sounds right

1746
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,340
in the world, anywhere,
anything. What's

1747
01:23:42,340 --> 01:23:46,300
wrong? That sounds right? Well,
very deep question. You could

1748
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:47,980
pass on things too. You're like,
No, I'm

1749
01:23:48,220 --> 01:23:50,560
trying to think. Like, I don't
even understand what we're I

1750
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,060
don't like that one. Jim,

1751
01:23:52,180 --> 01:23:55,780
we'll pass hard pass. What
animal could be cutest if scaled

1752
01:23:55,780 --> 01:23:57,220
down to the size of a cat?

1753
01:23:58,540 --> 01:24:00,960
Oh, these are just like, random,
so stupid.

1754
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:06,900
I mean, like a lion or a leopard
or cheetah or something.

1755
01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:09,120
Hey, we'll do one more thought.

1756
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,260
There has to be five, if they're
good questions. Yeah,

1757
01:24:13,260 --> 01:24:14,220
I'm trying to find one.

1758
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,840
What's wrong when you are old,
what do you think children will

1759
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,380
ask you to tell stories about
nice,

1760
01:24:23,480 --> 01:24:26,360
either what it was like before
cell phones or

1761
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,560
what it was like before
computers. Yeah,

1762
01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:34,460
I've got mail, yeah, remember
that the dial up sound for AOL,

1763
01:24:34,460 --> 01:24:34,880
we didn't

1764
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,140
even have, like, a family
computer in our house? Yeah? Um,

1765
01:24:39,140 --> 01:24:42,460
maybe what it was like when we
were driving our own cars. Who

1766
01:24:42,460 --> 01:24:43,240
knows? Oh, yeah,

1767
01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:46,660
what do you think? Do aliens
exist?

1768
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:52,180
I don't believe aliens exist,
no. But as a spiritual person, I

1769
01:24:52,180 --> 01:24:55,000
definitely believe in angels and
demons. That's a whole nother

1770
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,640
conversation. I would say
probably, when people see

1771
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,920
aliens, it probably is a
physical thing. Man, if.

1772
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,300
Testing. It's something
spiritual. That's probably a

1773
01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:06,000
demon that they're thinking is
an alien, my best,

1774
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:08,400
yeah, like Constantine. They're
going to make a follow up to

1775
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,860
Constantine, really. Yeah. Have

1776
01:25:10,860 --> 01:25:14,880
you seen the movie? Signs, Oh,
yeah. Phoenix with the Mel

1777
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:15,240
Gibson

1778
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,060
swing away, Maris, I forgot why
Phoenix was in it. I just think

1779
01:25:18,060 --> 01:25:19,440
of Mel Gibson, yeah, in

1780
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,400
the scene where, you know,
because Mel Gibson plays a

1781
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,820
character who walked away from
the cloth because his wife got

1782
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:27,320
killed. And, man,

1783
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:28,820
I haven't seen that in like, 23

1784
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:33,020
it's a really deep movie, yeah,
and, you know, it's almost like,

1785
01:25:33,140 --> 01:25:37,460
to your point, the aliens that
you see are almost demonic, and

1786
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,560
at one point, his kid, he's
trying to console his kids

1787
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,020
because he's having an asthma
attack and he doesn't have his

1788
01:25:44,020 --> 01:25:47,800
medicine, yeah, and at one point
you see him, he just gets in his

1789
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:52,060
motors. He starts going, I hate
you. Remember that part where

1790
01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:54,280
he's in the dark basement and
stuff like that? Who do you

1791
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:55,180
think he's talking to?

1792
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,620
That's really interesting,
right? But who was

1793
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,020
he? Because I think at that
point, you know, a lot of the

1794
01:26:04,020 --> 01:26:07,380
things that were coming to
fruition were prophecies that

1795
01:26:07,380 --> 01:26:10,020
were given to his wife, and he's
starting to make the he's

1796
01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:13,020
putting two and two together. I
honestly think he's talking to

1797
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:13,440
Satan.

1798
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,080
You know, I hate you. Why are

1799
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,780
you putting like you could be
construed as him talking to God?

1800
01:26:18,780 --> 01:26:22,100
Because he walked away from,
right, the spirituality. And

1801
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,400
then he really puts it together.
When the alien tries to point

1802
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:29,120
gas poison, the kid, yes, and
his lungs were closed. And he

1803
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,400
says, you know, his lungs were
closed so the poison didn't get

1804
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,740
in. He's chanting it over and
over and over, and all of a

1805
01:26:33,740 --> 01:26:36,440
sudden, this kid, it's like a
freaking weepy moment. I

1806
01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:40,460
just got, I need to watch. I
just got goose bumps because M

1807
01:26:40,460 --> 01:26:44,380
Night can write a script, and
they're not all made. Sometimes

1808
01:26:44,380 --> 01:26:47,140
he knocks them out of the
ballpark. And, you know, I mean,

1809
01:26:47,140 --> 01:26:51,880
like, I like Lady in the Water.
I like signs. I like what was

1810
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,380
the sixth sense? The town was

1811
01:26:53,380 --> 01:26:55,000
that one? No, the

1812
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:56,920
village, the village, the
village.

1813
01:26:57,340 --> 01:26:58,840
Yeah, it was pretty heavy, too.
Kurt,

1814
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,480
we went to go see that. Me. Kurt
and tell he went to go see that.

1815
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:06,000
And Kurt was like, I saw that
coming a mile away. You know

1816
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,780
what I mean, that they were
isolated, the ending, the twist.

1817
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:13,380
Yeah, you know, I could write a
country song, probably with

1818
01:27:13,380 --> 01:27:15,120
the twist he got. He was

1819
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,900
good at the twist, but no, but
signs, fantastic. I've, we've

1820
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:19,140
watched

1821
01:27:19,140 --> 01:27:21,560
that enough, where I've analyzed
it and done some research

1822
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,400
online, where it's just like,
you know, I don't think he's

1823
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:25,820
talking to

1824
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,540
God. I'll have to go back. I
just don't even remember it that

1825
01:27:29,540 --> 01:27:32,720
well, what to do a reprisal. I
just remember the scary seat of

1826
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,080
the alien walking by, right onto
the childhood of everything.

1827
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:36,500
Yeah,

1828
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:39,620
dude. Well, you know, Do aliens
exist? Check this out. If you

1829
01:27:39,620 --> 01:27:44,620
have ever seen an octopus?
You're like, this cannot be

1830
01:27:44,620 --> 01:27:49,300
real, yeah. This is the most
unique creature I have ever

1831
01:27:49,420 --> 01:27:50,200
seen.

1832
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:54,160
I love it. You know, there was
actually in the try that podcast

1833
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:59,020
which I produce, yes, Jim Neil
Thrasher kind of went on a

1834
01:27:59,020 --> 01:28:02,820
little bit of a rant. And he
went on this very impassioned

1835
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,460
take on being out in a

1836
01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:09,720
tree stand waiting for to kill
something, yeah. And he says, he

1837
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:10,260
says, if

1838
01:28:10,260 --> 01:28:15,240
you just come out and witness,
you know, going from 3am to six,

1839
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:19,620
7am in the morning, and you're
sitting there and everything's

1840
01:28:19,620 --> 01:28:22,340
coming alive, although
everything's waking up, yeah.

1841
01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:25,700
And he says, When you see that,
he goes, how could you not

1842
01:28:25,700 --> 01:28:30,080
believe? How could you not
believe that there's a supreme

1843
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,920
intelligence that programmed all
this? Yes. And it's like, you

1844
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,020
know, it's as simple as that. To
me, it

1845
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:42,100
was just, it's this, you know,
getting up early. I'm trying to

1846
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:48,340
do it way more in my later
years, because the morning time

1847
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:52,420
is magical, like our bodies are
supposed to be aligned with

1848
01:28:52,420 --> 01:28:56,320
sunrise and sunset, and we're
supposed to be more locked into

1849
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,960
the Earth's rhythms and stuff.
It's the most peaceful time. You

1850
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,680
get up and you stretch and you
hydrate, and you get some

1851
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,620
vitamin D right away, and then
you pour your coffee, and then

1852
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,860
the birds are chirping, and it's
just like you feel like anything

1853
01:29:07,860 --> 01:29:10,860
is possible, as opposed to,
like, sleeping into, like, 1030

1854
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,500
and you're like, Oh, my God, I'm
behind, and I got a million

1855
01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:16,320
things to do, and then the day
gets away from you. You know,

1856
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:19,500
I just suck because I'm on the
different time, like I'm more

1857
01:29:19,500 --> 01:29:22,280
get up at 10, yeah, but three or
four nights a week, I might be

1858
01:29:22,340 --> 01:29:24,920
working till but you got to get
your three in the morning. Got

1859
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:25,100
it

1860
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:29,720
again, they're saying that seven
hours is the new magical number,

1861
01:29:29,780 --> 01:29:33,980
right? It's divine too. Yeah?
Seven is like seven at least

1862
01:29:33,980 --> 01:29:35,480
seven. I mean, if you can get
eight nice,

1863
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,120
I can't do well on less than
that. I wish. I need to get

1864
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:40,660
better about the morning things,
especially as a parent. People

1865
01:29:40,660 --> 01:29:42,940
like, how do you sleep? I'm
like, I'm not sleeping in. I'm

1866
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,120
working downtown till 3am a
couple nights a week, and then

1867
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,520
that messes up my schedule for
the week. Then you get to bed at

1868
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,980
four, yeah? It's like, if you're
getting to bed at four, you're

1869
01:29:50,980 --> 01:29:52,480
not going to wake up before 10
or

1870
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:55,240
11. You just because you're only
getting six hours sleep if you

1871
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,580
wake up, and that's if you get
the sack as soon as you get

1872
01:29:57,580 --> 01:30:00,480
home. Yeah. But after I played a
gig, I'm on a high. Like, the

1873
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:05,520
earliest I can get to bed on the
road would be 1am at the

1874
01:30:05,820 --> 01:30:08,520
earliest, because we get off
stage at 11. I'm drenched in

1875
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,920
sweat. Yeah, I got to take a
shower. I want to hug my

1876
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:14,280
bandmates. Might have a light
snack. And then I realized, ramp

1877
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,940
down I got, I got a that's the
battle to the food after

1878
01:30:18,300 --> 01:30:21,440
well, hopefully it's like, it's
like the Chick fil A nuggets.

1879
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:23,480
And you're like, This is not
bad, just, it's just the

1880
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:26,480
breading, you know? So you do
that, and you try not to have

1881
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:27,140
the bread, and

1882
01:30:27,140 --> 01:30:29,840
they bring all the pizza, and
you're like, I'd rather not. But

1883
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,360
then if there, if there's burger
and fries, I'm just like, well,

1884
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:33,200
I guess, you know, we do with

1885
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,440
the pizza for us. Pizza night is
Saturday night when we're going

1886
01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:39,680
home on a run. Okay? It's always
the last night of a run. So if

1887
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,300
we have a lot, if we have a gig
on a Sunday night, we're getting

1888
01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:47,320
pizza. Yeah, nice, yeah. What a
great chat. Do you got? Do you

1889
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:47,560
have a.com

1890
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:54,340
I don't. And I did forever. I
mean, like 2000 to, like 2015 I

1891
01:30:54,340 --> 01:30:56,920
did. And then I just was, like,
nobody's really using a website.

1892
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,180
I should probably do it again,

1893
01:30:58,180 --> 01:31:00,720
but, but it was the best way for
people to get in touch. Super

1894
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,040
easy on Instagram,

1895
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,180
which is just that dango empire.
Same with my Facebook. I kind of

1896
01:31:06,180 --> 01:31:08,700
dabble in tick tock, meaning,
like I set up a page, but I

1897
01:31:08,700 --> 01:31:12,060
don't really use it. But like
all, if you find dango empire, I

1898
01:31:12,060 --> 01:31:13,140
will get back. I

1899
01:31:13,140 --> 01:31:16,260
love the Empire thing. When?
When did that come it's really

1900
01:31:16,260 --> 01:31:17,700
stupid light bulb moment.

1901
01:31:17,700 --> 01:31:20,960
It was like I was with the
Christian artist named Chris

1902
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,080
rice back in the day, one of my
first gigs, and I was just, you

1903
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,960
know, dango, and he's and I
started doing dango T shirts

1904
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,020
kind of as a joke that had kind
of my logo on him. And so he

1905
01:31:30,020 --> 01:31:32,120
would carry my bag of shirts
around. He's like, we'll just

1906
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,520
call this the Empire. And he's
like, you're dango empire. And I

1907
01:31:34,820 --> 01:31:37,160
don't know why it stuck, but I
was trying to come up with a

1908
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:40,300
website name for the.com and
dango was taken, and it's a

1909
01:31:40,300 --> 01:31:42,760
Japanese dumpling, so you
couldn't get anything close to

1910
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,340
dango. And I was going to do fan
of dango. So it was like,

1911
01:31:45,340 --> 01:31:47,740
Fandango. We're like, well, it
could be a lawsuit, if it does

1912
01:31:47,740 --> 01:31:50,800
anything. So it just was dango
empire. Was the only thing that

1913
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,020
didn't. Oh, and we had dango
online, but it looked like

1914
01:31:53,020 --> 01:31:54,040
dangoon line.

1915
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:57,460
Yeah, so interesting. Yeah. So I
think it's a good idea. Yeah, I

1916
01:31:57,460 --> 01:31:58,120
just went with

1917
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,460
dango empire. It's not my name.
It's not part of my name. I

1918
01:32:00,460 --> 01:32:03,300
don't want to be called dango
empire, just to clarify any of

1919
01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:07,260
that, but my name's dango
Kellen, and I don't because

1920
01:32:07,260 --> 01:32:09,300
dango is unique enough. I just
say dango.

1921
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:12,360
You're the only dango. I know
it's usually because that, like,

1922
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,780
are you thinking it's like an
Irish name or, like a no,

1923
01:32:15,900 --> 01:32:19,500
that's actually a name I got in
college as a nickname. Oh, since

1924
01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:22,220
you're asking, I'll give the
quick story there. Yes, two of

1925
01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:25,280
us in a punk band when I was a
freshman had the same name. He

1926
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,280
started calling me dango. It was
just like an something we came

1927
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,700
up with as a joke by the second
year at Belmont. I mean,

1928
01:32:31,700 --> 01:32:35,600
professors, everybody would call
me that. So before I graduated,

1929
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,020
it was just dango, nothing else.
You know, my senior recital had

1930
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:41,980
my posters were dango at
Belmont. Then I moved to

1931
01:32:41,980 --> 01:32:45,700
Seattle, joined this punk band.
I get my first drum stick deal.

1932
01:32:45,700 --> 01:32:48,340
I'm putting dango on my sticks.
I had it on the front of my

1933
01:32:48,340 --> 01:32:50,920
drums. I was selling the T
shirts. And so by that point,

1934
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,200
it's like, well, I'm not going
to go buy anything else. That's

1935
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,440
what I'm credited as on every
record I've ever played on. So I

1936
01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:58,900
eventually just legally added
because like, well, this is

1937
01:32:58,900 --> 01:33:01,260
stupid. If I ever get married
and they call me, I don't tell

1938
01:33:01,260 --> 01:33:06,000
anybody. No, it's biblical. But
why are you prodding? Huh?

1939
01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:07,140
It's a fair question. Well,

1940
01:33:07,140 --> 01:33:09,960
he told me to go down rabbit
hole, right? So I never went to

1941
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:11,460
podcasting school, yeah? So

1942
01:33:11,460 --> 01:33:13,980
I've just stuck with dango. It's
easy to remember. It's like, oh

1943
01:33:13,980 --> 01:33:16,320
yeah, the ball drummer, dango.
And now there's a lot of balls.

1944
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:17,880
Biblical name, Abraham,

1945
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,020
Jacob. It's Old Testament.
You'll hit it if you keep Moses

1946
01:33:21,020 --> 01:33:21,260
only

1947
01:33:21,260 --> 01:33:22,940
like 5000 names to get there.

1948
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,080
Wow, just a few. All right.
Well, Dan goes, Hey, just like

1949
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,020
show you the power of nicknames.
They spread like wildfire. Well,

1950
01:33:30,020 --> 01:33:30,200
and

1951
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,900
if you don't make it yourself,
if it happens and you can't

1952
01:33:32,900 --> 01:33:35,660
change it like teachers, nobody
knew me as anything else, so

1953
01:33:36,620 --> 01:33:40,300
mine in the renowned band
Connecticut white bread, I was

1954
01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:43,240
known as Gilly. How about that?
You didn't know that? Did you

1955
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,040
what? No, I

1956
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,220
I told Jimmy, can't mention
Connecticut white bread in every

1957
01:33:48,220 --> 01:33:52,660
episode. Yes, he has to do every
other episode. And I did. Yeah,

1958
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:57,400
this was a great chat. So people
should look you up at at dango

1959
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,660
empire. Sure. That would be
wonderful on the socials, for

1960
01:34:00,660 --> 01:34:04,500
lessons, for sessions. Go see
him. Play around Broadway. Go

1961
01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:08,520
see him on tour. Hawthorne
Heights, Amber Pacific. Scott

1962
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,220
staff, doing it all, man. Thanks
for coming. Thank you

1963
01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:13,860
so much. An honor, seriously, to
be here. And I'm so glad you

1964
01:34:13,860 --> 01:34:16,500
could make honor to have you. If
I can help anybody else in their

1965
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:19,440
journey, that's part of my goal.
So your younger guys new to

1966
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:22,580
town, I'm like, I'll always make
time. If they hit me up, you're

1967
01:34:22,580 --> 01:34:22,820
doing

1968
01:34:22,820 --> 01:34:24,620
manifold. That's right. Thanks,
Jim

1969
01:34:26,300 --> 01:34:29,480
and to all the listeners, thank
you for watching and listening.

1970
01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:34,160
Be sure to do me a favor. Great
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1971
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1972
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1973
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1974
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