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Alan: Hey,

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Mario: Hey, how's it going?

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Alan: it's been a little while,

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Mario: It's been a minute.

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Alan: Yeah.

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A few things kind of got in the
way life and all that stuff,

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but it's good to see you.

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Mario: Good.

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See you too.

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Have you been

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Alan: Great.

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Yeah.

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It's it's just been

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nonstop.

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But I, I'm going to say good?

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and bad, but no, most, mostly Good.

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or neutral.

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But

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Mario: good

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Alan: lots of things.

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So first of all, I like the before
there's anything else, I love the

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little, a blue audio meter before you
when you're in the waiting room, that's

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Mario: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Nice, cool.

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Alan: Nice.

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So yeah, you got some new features

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Mario: Yup.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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And

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Alan: by that.

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Mario: it also shows if I, turn
off my camera, You'll see my

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Alan: Ah, nice.

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Oh, cool.

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That's really cool.

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Mario: so that way, cause some
people prefer to not use video, so

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they want to just hear each other.

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So this allows them to turn
off the camera, but still kind

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of, have some kind of visual,

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Alan: there.

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The they're not completely offline.

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It's that?

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They're the conscious and, and also
it helps, who speaking as well.

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If, if there's more than one
other person in the room.

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right.

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Mario: Exactly.

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so that's the idea behind it.

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So you know,

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Alan: Nice.

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Mario: it seems to be working fine

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Alan: Very

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Mario: Yeah, Got a pretty good
reaction and comments about it.

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So

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Alan: Cool.

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Mario: it's looking good, before
we keep going happy new year.

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Alan: Happy new year.

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Happy.

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Yeah.

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Happy, everything.

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All the stuff that's
happened since last fall.

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Mario: Christmas and

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Alan: Merry Christmas.

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happy new year,

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I still can't get into
the whole 20, 22 thing.

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It just seems I never, I didn't
get used to 2020, nevermind.

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20, 21, 20 22.

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Just seems like, no, that can't be right?

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when I've written it.

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It's like not, there's no way that can be

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Mario: It feels strange.

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Right?

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Alan: super stranger.

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Yeah.

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Very weird.

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I've only written it like by hand
maybe twice and both times I'm like,

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no, that really can't be right.

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But

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Mario: I know.

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I I've stopped myself.

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I I've questioned myself
a couple of times.

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Where, wait, is it 20, 22?

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Is it 21 or 22?

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Alan: Yep.

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It's like, no, but I mean, I
question myself most of the time,

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but that, especially in a strong way,

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Mario: Yeah.

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So how were your holidays?

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Alan: a good, yeah, it, it,
it's kind of weird over here.

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Right?

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So Christmas is, I don't want to say it's
a non-event, but it's not really a thing.

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Christmas Eve couples go out for a meal.

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Maybe if you do presents maybe
Christmas day, but it, the big thing

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here is KFC on Christmas lunch.

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That's the event.

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Yeah, seriously.

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So for whatever reason, I guess
X number of years ago, I think

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it's about 15, 20 years ago or so.

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I, before my time.

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KFC.

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So an opportunity to do the same
thing that like Halloween and very,

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an Easter have done and spread a,
an American event what, what has

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become an American commercial event
to a place that doesn't have it.

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And so they introduced this concept
of having KFC Christmas lunch.

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And now you basically have to reserve
your box about a month or so in advance.

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You get a time slot on Christmas morning
when you go and pick up your KFC.

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And there's, you know, for the,
for almost two months leading up to

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Christmas, KFC are like,  are really
strong advertising here like you on a

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general day, you'll see on TV, there'll
be like three or four KFC adverts.

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And they, they just bombarding
with this whole Christmas

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thing special Christmas box.

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And yeah, it's, it's funny, like Christmas
is basically couples going out for a fancy

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meal on Christmas Eve and KFC for lunch.

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That's it

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Mario: wow interesting.

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So the Colonel is alive and well in Japan.

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Alan: really is.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's kind of weird at first.

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You're like what?

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I didn't really think that was a
big deal, but yeah, they've done

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really, really well at marketing here.

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So,

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Mario: Cool.

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Cool.

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So did you have, did you have your KFC?

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Alan: We didn't, I think we did it
maybe the second, first or second

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year here because both me and my
son were like, we want to do this.

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And my wife's like, oh
gosh, you know, whatever.

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But we were like, yeah, we
want to be able to do that.

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And then we're like, okay, we did it.

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That's fine.

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Mario: And done with that

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Alan: So what we did do was
between Christmas and new.

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We went to a hot spring re resort, I guess
is the word, but it's basically it's an

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old, traditional Japanese like inn, in
the mountains down south a bit from this

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island and we just stayed overnight there.

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So it's, you, you basically rent a they
have six or seven of these private baths,

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which are hot spring fed bats and they're
outside or equivalent of outside as in

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there's a roof, but there's no walls.

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So yeah.

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you basically rent that for an hour.

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And

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you can fancy meal, which is, I think
it was like a expect 10 courses or so

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if you look at my Twitter, you'll see,
I posted every, each of the courses.

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I mean, they're very traditional
Japanese, local seasonal food.

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So there'll be sashimi, there'll
be various other bits and things

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that you're like, don't know
what this is, but it's tasty.

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So, Yeah.

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that was Nice.

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That was, it was good to just go.

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And the driving the mountains
and, you know, say that there

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was snow and it was cute.

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No, you sat in a hot spring and it's
literally freezing outside, but you're in

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like the bath and you're like, I'm good.

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And then you're like, you overheat
in the bath and you're like, okay.

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Step outside for a moment.

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Okay.

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Back in.

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So you spent

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Mario: Yeah.

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Alan: minutes going there now
just trying to regulate your

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temperature, but it's very pleasant.

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Yeah.

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Mario: Nice.

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Nice.

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No, that's awesome.

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That's that's the best when it's, when
it's cold and you're in a hot spring.

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Alan: I mean, you put your foot in like
too hot and then you're like trying to

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you know, like kind of coach yourself
into it, stay in there, but it's lovely.

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It was very nice that that was the
highlight of our Christmas and new year.

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Really?

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Mario: Nice, nice.

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Alan: What about yourself?

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Mario: Yeah, it was, it was nice.

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We, we didn't do much.

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We kept a very low key.

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We just you know, I mean with
COVID and all, you know, it's just

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Alan: Yeah.

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What do you do?

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Mario: better just, you know, stay
home and just keep it low key.

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So we, for Christmas, we were we
were home and for new years two

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friends came over a couple of trends.

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And it was just the four of us and
we just, you know, received the new

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year here and had some champagne and,
you know, but I, we kept at a really

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mellow had had dinner, play some
board games and, you know, and yeah.

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Alan: I got board games right with my
I I've got my son, like a couple of

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board games for Christmas and yeah.

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so we spent pretty much new
year him beating me and those

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he's quite good at them.

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So that was good.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, that was the nice
thing about this hotspring, right.

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There's few other people you didn't
actually see any other people.

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There were the people staying in
the, inn, but you didn't see them.

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Mario: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I, I'm assuming a lot of
it is, you know, pretty much

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outdoors most of the time.

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Right.

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You're like spending a lot of time
outdoors and yeah, that's really cool.

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My wife and myself too, we,
we love that kind of stuff.

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And we've gone to a couple of places
around here that have a hot Springs

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and yeah, it's very enjoyable.

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Alan: Yeah.

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Def definitely check out my, my tweets
around new year ish and you'll see.

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It's Very pretty.

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Mario: I'll go back.

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I'll go back to that time.

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Alan: If, if I remember I'll
put a link in the show notes.

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Mario: Okay, right on.

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Cool.

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Alan: Cool.

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Yeah.

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So, well, I, I guess my other
big worky news is I guess I

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launched at some point in the past

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Mario: Oh,

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Alan: it's official, you can go
and you can pay and you can sign

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up and all that kind of good stuff.

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So, yeah, that was yeah, that, that was,
I think it's worth worth stating it's

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Mario: Oh yeah, of course.

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Of course.

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Congratulations.

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That's huge news.

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Alan: it was like I can't remember.

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Oh, I remember I remember
what the event was.

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So the other thing was I did a a
pitch pitch, like a pitch competition,

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actual people, five minute you
know, pitch in-person event.

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And so I kind of, I think before that
had stated, let's say as I may be in

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internal law, I think I definitely
told other people which made meant

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I had to do it was I was officially
launching at the beginning of November.

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And so it was, I, well, actually I guess
I am officially launched, then I turned

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on subscriptions and oh, you can pay.

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And so I set all of my trial users.

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To like extend the trial
till around about now.

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I think it's the beginning of
February or something like that.

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Cause I'm like, you, you, you
have been good, you get some time.

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But then all new accounts are like, I
think it's two weeks at trial of which

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has been the, been a few sign-ups the
con, well, the other big news is I have

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a paying customer which is very exciting.

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So Yeah.

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that's, it's I, again, I
think we're celebrating a

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little bit, but and the Nice.

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thing was that also they they
asked, they asked me if, if it was

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okay, if they wrote a testimonial
for me, I'm like, Yeah, please do.

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So they seem really happy
with the in talking to them.

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They.

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The communication, because there,
they're not officially a remote

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company, but it's not an IT company.

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But they tend to work, not necessarily
all in the office, they go out and

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do things for clients and things.

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And he said, they're just generally
not very good at talking to

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each other generally, as I said.

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So I actually I guess there's this
we talked about this now while it

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it's, it's in line with the topic.

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So one change, which.

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I kind of made to the product.

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And this was, I think I mentioned it
before that I added time-tracking as

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in a start and stop timer it partially
I was partially against it at first

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because I'm like, no, I don't want
to turn it into a time tracker.

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But it kind of kept coming back that,
well, actually we need this and we're

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now using two products and it would
be just easier if we used one, so

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we could do time tracking, but with
a social interoffice aspect to it.

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So it's like, Okay.

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I get that.

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I mean, again, it wasn't
necessarily my intention.

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I'm not a very time tracky kind of person.

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I

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Mario: I remember you.

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I remember you were struggling
with that idea kind of like,

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you know, should I do this?

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Should I not?

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Yeah...

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Alan: I think it's partially
because of how I work.

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And I think that's just, I guess
I'm coming to terms my brain isn't

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necessarily the same as everybody
else's with regarding tracking time.

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But it, it.

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It's especially with when they're
working for clients and when I've worked

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for clients in the past, it's like,
well, no, you have to be on and off.

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And so this, I kind of, I
chewed it around quite a lot.

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I added just basic start and stop
times, and you could export the

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time into CSV and Excel and things.

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But then they were like, oh, that's nice.

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But then we start the timer and
then we go and we do a check-in

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like, can we just merge that?

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And so I, again, rattled
around my head for a while.

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And I'm like, all right, Okay.

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If I'm going to do this, let's
kind of, I'll buy into this.

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It's either, you know, half hearted
or it's, it's all in, right.

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I want to do it properly.

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So after chewing around quite
a lot, I came with this.

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All right.

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So you can see that the normal check-in
stuff works fine if you want to.

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So you can actually turn off
as a, as a, an organization.

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You can turn off time tracking.

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It's it's just a flag.

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But if you have a.

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When you start the timer it does a modal
pop-up with a mini version of, and you

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can do everything that you can when you
can't, you don't have the future thing,

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but you can do everything on the, the
normal check-in page within the model.

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You can just close it if you don't,
if you don't want to, or you can

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actually just do a check-in from
that that links it to the timer.

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So I can display effectively like a
package of your start and stop for

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the day linked to your check-in.

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And it's just completely in line
with you anywhere on the app.

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You can just say start styling timer.

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I'll stop timer pops up the
check-in now I don't want to.

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Yeah, just, oh, did these things , save.

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And it's great.

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Even for me just having that,
oh, I'm going to work on this.

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It's kind of like a, I guess like
a Pomodoro, but without the timer

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Mario: Yeah, I was going to say, yeah.

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Alan: You say, I'm going to work on this.

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I'm going to do these things,
check in go away, do your things.

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Oh.

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At the end of the day, I
should stop the timer stop.

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Oh yeah.

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Take those off.

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Check in.

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And it's like, this is great.

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Mario: It sounds like a
perfect workflow right there.

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Alan: Right?

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It's actually a much better workflow for
planning than the normal DotPlan workflow.

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Right.

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So, yeah.

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So I'm, I'm going to, I've done
a few enhancements to it now.

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It's actually, it's actually becoming
a slightly better version of the

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normal check-in page anyway, but
kind of backporting the, those

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improvements to the other one.

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It also does it, so you can start
a time a general time, or you

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can start it for a given project.

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So you can say I'm going to work on
this project and it automatically tags.

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The check-in with the project
that you're working on as well.

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So then that's filterable
on all these things.

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So again, it's kind of actually makes
it a nicer flow than just going and

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doing a check-in it's a bit more manual.

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Right.

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So yeah, I'm like, okay,
this, this worked out.

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I mean, again, I put it off for months
and I it's, it's easy in hindsight to say,

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oh, I should have just realized this, but
it took a lot of sketching, doodling like

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going back and forth, like internally,
like, no, I don't want to do this.

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And actually, maybe
there's something in it.

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And, and it took that time to
realize how it should work.

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And then the result, I, it
actually works out really well.

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And this, the client that's
paying now my, my customer they're

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like, this is how they use it.

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They there's, no, they don't
do any other check-ins.

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They they use it primarily for this.

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Because they were doing
Time-based check-ins anyway,

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now they have time check-ins

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with social interaction.

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People are responding to them.

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People are leaving comments on it,
and it's like, they've achieved

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this, this flow, which was my
goal for DotPlan, but they've done

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it because they're doing a time

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Mario: Time-based check-ins

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Alan: So I'm like, all right,
this is kind of a mini revelation.

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Right?

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So I'm, I'm just rolling with
that and seeing where that goes.

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But what I am doing is now trying
to do a complete redesign of the

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landing page just to to incorporate
everything that I know the product

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is now versus what I thought it was
going to be when I started building it.

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So that's where I am with that.

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Mario: all right.

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Wow.

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Yeah, so much has happened
since we met last time

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Alan: And the, the pitch
was that was great.

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I really enjoyed that.

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It's the first, I, that in, I did
like the 99 second online pitch,

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you know, I've talked to loads of
people about it, but to do a five

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minute timed was it five minutes?

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Yeah, I think it was
timed like stand up, go.

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These are my slides.

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Talk to people that, that was,
that was really, really fun.

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And it's, it's just
gives you that good buzz.

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Right.

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Seeing some people respond,
it was to a Japanese audience.

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So my, I pitched in English, but
I had Japanese Like my slides had

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Japanese takes on them as well.

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So I had English and Japanese.

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So even if they couldn't understand
me, they could follow along.

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What I'm saying is pretty obvious.

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And I could see.

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as soon as I started speaking, I
was kind of all right, those are

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following me, those people aren't.

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So I knew who to direct my
attention to what I was pitching.

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And yeah, I got some
interesting questions and stuff.

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So and again, some trial sign-ups a few
people wanting to speak in the new year,

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which we're going to try and arrange.

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So yeah, it was that, that, that was fun.

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I enjoyed that.

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That was quite yeah, it was just,
it was a good buzz during that,

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Mario: Very cool.

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Very cool.

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So happy for you

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Alan: Thank you!.

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Mario: that you got to that, point and
it's going well and yeah, that's awesome!

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Alan: It, it definitely feels like
there's a, I'm on a different phase now.

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That everything up until the end
of last year, December was kind

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of, if not figuring it out, then
kind of working out which, exactly

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what exactly the product should be.

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What really works for people.

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And again, it's, you know, what,
what people say they want versus

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what they're actually using and
how they use it are very different.

00:16:11.187 --> 00:16:11.427
Right.

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So, you know, saying, yeah, that's great.

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We want to use that and then not using it.

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And you're like, but I thought you
said use it versus saying it would

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be good if it did this to doing that.

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And then seeing it just like,
you know, the graphic goes right.

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In terms of people using it.

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And you're like, okay, that's not
what you said, but fine roll with it.

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So it's fun.

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It's been, been a, an interesting
few months that's for sure.

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Mario: no, that's great.

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That's not, it sounds like you've
man, you've made a lot of progress.

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You've gotten to this point and yeah.

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From, yeah.

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And I totally get it.

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Now that you're, gotten to this stage
is it's a different ball game now.

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So now the, focus must be growth.

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I'm assuming, right.

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It's, growing your customer
base basically, and then

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try to, move the needle up

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Alan: Right.

00:17:01.153 --> 00:17:04.951
I mean, I it's, It's very clear
now that the bit which is entirely

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lacking is explaining to people
what, this is the product.

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Now I know I can see again, you know,
it's a small sample size, but it's the

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fact that most, all of these people within
this company, Said they didn't want this.

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Right.

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They didn't want to use this.

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They wouldn't use it and they're
using it and they're happy with it.

00:17:23.801 --> 00:17:25.781
And they've actually said,
oh, actually, this is great.

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So I'm like, okay, this is, this is good.

00:17:27.774 --> 00:17:32.038
But the, so the, the, the problem I have
now or at least the thing I want to try

00:17:32.038 --> 00:17:38.368
to solve or improve is just explaining
to people what a, what it is B, why

00:17:38.368 --> 00:17:42.538
it's good for you and see what the
end, the, the reward is for doing this.

00:17:42.648 --> 00:17:45.048
And just, you know,
right now it's terrible.

00:17:45.048 --> 00:17:47.853
And I know that the
landing pages is hopeless.

00:17:47.853 --> 00:17:51.988
The onboarding is it's not non-existent,
but it's not what it needs to be.

00:17:52.038 --> 00:17:56.208
So the emphasis now for me
is just really on on that.

00:17:56.251 --> 00:17:59.011
Less so on fiddling around with
the product, because I know it

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does the things it needs to do.

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And of course there'll be features, you
know, there's, there's always features.

00:18:04.901 --> 00:18:06.221
Mario: yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:18:06.221 --> 00:18:10.887
So maybe now's a good time
to spend a little more time.

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Well, like you said, spending
more time on, those areas.

00:18:13.577 --> 00:18:13.937
So.

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perhaps more marketing and
more education kind of content.

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And yeah.

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Have you considered establishing
some kind of cycle where you work,

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you work on the product for a
certain period of time, and then

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you work only on marketing, because
I've been thinking about that.

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this is actually the first week
that I'm trying that for reals.

00:18:34.149 --> 00:18:37.489
Cause I've been talking about
doing that for months and I haven't

00:18:37.489 --> 00:18:41.353
really gotten into that cadence
and, found that rhythm, I guess.

00:18:41.393 --> 00:18:47.043
But this week is my first week that after
I did that big update to Fusioncast,

00:18:47.043 --> 00:18:48.683
then I'm like, okay, well, this is.

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And an opportunity for me to
now that I've, pushed that it's

00:18:52.022 --> 00:18:53.622
working, it's good this week.

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I'm just going to focus on marketing
and just, communicating with people,

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answering emails and you know, tweeting
and, just focus on those things, the

00:19:01.402 --> 00:19:03.397
marketing website So that kind of stuff.

00:19:03.397 --> 00:19:05.638
you know, have you, thought
about doing anything like that?

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Alan: It would make sense.

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If my time was a little
bit more Predictable.

00:19:11.619 --> 00:19:15.339
So I think the, the thing which, you
know, I've got, you know, I'm working

00:19:15.339 --> 00:19:18.609
on too many things, especially with
like, you know, client work, which,

00:19:18.939 --> 00:19:20.571
you know, always takes priority.

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It's, it's just not quite as predictable,
as predictable as I'd like it to be

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in terms of allocating, you know, I
can definitely do this and then next

00:19:29.281 --> 00:19:30.721
week I don't get time to do that.

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So it's like, well, do
I just push that back?

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But at the same time, there's definitely
a I think a phased cadence that I want to

00:19:38.879 --> 00:19:44.189
get into, which is okay, the next thing
is, you know, improving the, just how

00:19:44.189 --> 00:19:45.659
it's presented, how I speak about it.

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So it's landing page, you know,
the priorities are landing

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page, you know, welcome emails.

00:19:50.729 --> 00:19:53.909
I don't even have a PR you get like a,
an email that says, here's your account.

00:19:54.239 --> 00:19:55.079
Thanks for signing up.

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And there's, you know, I want to get into.

00:19:57.135 --> 00:19:59.985
It can education thing of like
actually, you know, talking them

00:19:59.985 --> 00:20:02.325
through the product, just the
onboarding experience as a whole.

00:20:02.325 --> 00:20:06.505
So I've got a list of like 10 areas
which desperately need looking at, and

00:20:06.985 --> 00:20:10.045
just the landing page is number one,
just because it's the most visible

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and it's the one which will either
convince people to try it or not.

00:20:13.795 --> 00:20:14.035
Right.

00:20:14.062 --> 00:20:15.221
So Yeah.

00:20:15.251 --> 00:20:17.741
it's, there's definitely
a phased approach.

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I'm not sure if saying like for
the next two weeks I do this just

00:20:22.961 --> 00:20:25.631
works because I might not even get
a chance to touch it for two weeks

00:20:25.691 --> 00:20:26.201
Mario: Yeah, yeah,

00:20:26.371 --> 00:20:27.021
that makes sense.

00:20:27.052 --> 00:20:30.172
Alan: But the definitely a, you
know, in and out of, of what

00:20:30.172 --> 00:20:31.792
actually I'm doing, that's for

00:20:31.832 --> 00:20:32.252
Mario: Yeah.

00:20:32.732 --> 00:20:33.152
Yeah.

00:20:33.632 --> 00:20:37.398
It also sounds like you could use
this this customer that 's adopting

00:20:37.531 --> 00:20:40.361
the product and didn't want to do
it before now they're doing it and

00:20:40.361 --> 00:20:41.981
they're being successful with it.

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What are those called where
you present kind of like what

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you did and how it impacted

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Alan: Oh, like a case study kind of thing.

00:20:47.865 --> 00:20:48.375
Mario: case study.

00:20:48.375 --> 00:20:48.595
Yeah.

00:20:48.595 --> 00:20:48.975
Yeah.

00:20:49.435 --> 00:20:49.855
Alan: yes.

00:20:49.885 --> 00:20:50.125
Yeah.

00:20:50.245 --> 00:20:50.515
Yes.

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Yeah.

00:20:51.295 --> 00:20:53.905
I think that's, that's a,
that's a good idea as well.

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Just because, okay.

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Okay.

00:20:55.899 --> 00:20:58.509
They're not a necessarily a typical life.

00:20:58.539 --> 00:21:00.429
Is there such a thing as
a typical customer, right.

00:21:00.459 --> 00:21:06.917
But they're definitely the, the resistance
and the realization and the reward

00:21:07.037 --> 00:21:10.607
is definitely something that could
be present it as a, As a case study.

00:21:10.607 --> 00:21:11.357
yeah, definitely.

00:21:11.357 --> 00:21:12.767
I think that's, that's worth considering,

00:21:13.157 --> 00:21:17.337
Mario: yeah, you should think about that
and see if that that would work for you.

00:21:17.358 --> 00:21:20.715
Alan: Definitely worth thinking about,
but yeah, I'd say it's been it's been fun.

00:21:20.815 --> 00:21:26.106
It's, it's, it's, it's all going in
a slightly different direction now.

00:21:26.157 --> 00:21:29.217
Just, you know, what I need to do,
but yeah, it's all good progress.

00:21:29.817 --> 00:21:30.897
Mario: nice, nice.

00:21:31.047 --> 00:21:31.677
That's awesome.

00:21:31.707 --> 00:21:32.667
Congrats again,

00:21:32.777 --> 00:21:33.167
Alan: Thank you

00:21:34.227 --> 00:21:35.037
Mario: happy for you.

00:21:35.307 --> 00:21:38.411
And looking forward to  seeing the
product I haven't logged on in a

00:21:38.411 --> 00:21:41.021
while, so I need to log in and kind of

00:21:41.691 --> 00:21:44.686
Alan: with the other thing, that's
come up as a and again, I think it's

00:21:44.686 --> 00:21:49.070
I did mention it maybe in the past,
but it's, it's starting to think about

00:21:49.070 --> 00:21:51.952
it a little bit more, which is at the
moment, you know, there's I've always

00:21:51.952 --> 00:21:54.112
focused on it being a team-based thing.

00:21:54.142 --> 00:21:54.422
Right.

00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:58.120
It's, it works best with, you
know, 10 people are, you know, th

00:21:58.120 --> 00:22:00.090
there's companies, like, I think
there's seven or eight of them.

00:22:00.159 --> 00:22:06.466
But even for myself so even for
myself it's useful as a solo thing.

00:22:06.496 --> 00:22:06.766
Right.

00:22:07.006 --> 00:22:11.386
And I know the, the interface is
really not in any way designed

00:22:11.386 --> 00:22:15.374
for that, but there is a, there's
definitely a a benefit from.

00:22:15.446 --> 00:22:19.556
Again, this, this kind of like the, a
productivity app angle, which is, you

00:22:19.556 --> 00:22:24.822
know, very much almost like Pomodoro
based or very like prescriptive task

00:22:24.822 --> 00:22:27.912
management that is like, this is my
to-do list and you check them off and

00:22:27.912 --> 00:22:33.882
in other things, but it can having just
a things I did or how I was feeling.

00:22:33.882 --> 00:22:34.032
it's.

00:22:34.032 --> 00:22:37.962
kind of like this quantative self of
not just how I was feeling, but what I

00:22:37.962 --> 00:22:41.652
got done, I guess, like journaling or
lifelogging or anything like that, but

00:22:41.652 --> 00:22:46.965
in a work context and there's definitely
a benefit from an individuals doing it.

00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:53.100
I don't know how that fits into the
product right now, but I also don't want

00:22:53.100 --> 00:22:57.900
to ignore it because it's a completely,
maybe not focused on it right now,

00:22:57.930 --> 00:23:02.085
but I think there's an opportunity
that just to make it work well as

00:23:02.085 --> 00:23:03.555
for an individual to in the future.

00:23:03.555 --> 00:23:07.155
Just because again, I'm using it as an
individual and it's beneficial to me.

00:23:07.155 --> 00:23:13.845
So I'm sure others would benefit just
in a slightly less formalized process.

00:23:13.875 --> 00:23:17.895
Because again, I even
Pomodoro doesn't work for me.

00:23:18.285 --> 00:23:19.515
It's kind of I'll start it.

00:23:19.515 --> 00:23:22.965
And then there's like, it'll
just like, I just can't

00:23:23.595 --> 00:23:23.985
Mario: Yeah.

00:23:26.775 --> 00:23:27.525
Alan: I'm not very good with that.

00:23:28.110 --> 00:23:28.470
Mario: Yeah.

00:23:28.710 --> 00:23:29.190
Yeah.

00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:30.060
Yeah.

00:23:30.060 --> 00:23:34.890
I don't, I don't think I've ever
tried to really use that a system,

00:23:34.890 --> 00:23:38.829
you know, like Pomodoro or, or
anything like that, but yeah, I

00:23:38.858 --> 00:23:39.116
Alan: I've

00:23:39.226 --> 00:23:40.006
Mario: to log on and

00:23:40.836 --> 00:23:41.946
Alan: and, and things.

00:23:41.946 --> 00:23:42.246
and

00:23:42.306 --> 00:23:46.267
I just, I work really well with
lists which is, I guess this is

00:23:46.267 --> 00:23:47.917
reflective on what DotPlan is, right.

00:23:48.757 --> 00:23:53.310
It's a reflection of how I organize
my work which is just, yeah,

00:23:53.340 --> 00:23:57.529
like, let me, let me list things and let
me get them done, but not necessarily

00:23:57.597 --> 00:23:59.667
yeah, strict a much more flexible way.

00:23:59.697 --> 00:23:59.967
So

00:24:00.527 --> 00:24:01.487
Mario: yeah, yeah.

00:24:02.777 --> 00:24:03.137
yeah,

00:24:03.447 --> 00:24:06.357
Alan: I guess your product is always going
to be reflection of yourself right there

00:24:06.357 --> 00:24:08.271
when it, when it's a solo based project.

00:24:08.271 --> 00:24:08.451
Right.

00:24:08.451 --> 00:24:12.433
You know I guess with teams that, that
gets watered down somewhat, I'll still

00:24:12.433 --> 00:24:15.973
be, you know, somebody is a reflection
of an amalgamation of a few, but yeah,

00:24:16.453 --> 00:24:17.543
Mario: yeah, yeah.

00:24:18.673 --> 00:24:19.463
Alan: So what about fusioncast?

00:24:19.463 --> 00:24:20.893
I see big changes here as well.

00:24:20.893 --> 00:24:22.783
So lots of improvements.

00:24:23.373 --> 00:24:24.093
Mario: yeah, yeah.

00:24:24.123 --> 00:24:26.308
Lots of improvements
in the latest version.

00:24:26.308 --> 00:24:30.349
been busy working on trying to make it
better, you know, and trying to get to

00:24:30.349 --> 00:24:34.900
the point where I feel really comfortable
with letting it go and, opening it up.

00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:38.760
I know we talked about that before
and I shared with you before I wanted

00:24:38.760 --> 00:24:44.010
to freeze all feature development and
then move on and, and do this and that.

00:24:44.015 --> 00:24:44.865
Alan: I seem to remember that

00:24:44.871 --> 00:24:45.321
Mario: Yeah.

00:24:45.351 --> 00:24:45.621
Right.

00:24:47.211 --> 00:24:48.511
you're wondering, well, what happened?

00:24:48.511 --> 00:24:48.762
No.

00:24:48.762 --> 00:24:51.822
So just things kept
coming up, you know, and

00:24:51.822 --> 00:24:54.428
Alan: you mentioned on your change
log that you like by the way that,

00:24:54.428 --> 00:24:55.378
that that's great, that changelog.

00:24:55.378 --> 00:24:56.588
Like I really need to do the same thing.

00:24:56.707 --> 00:25:01.568
The, I say I was also, I got a
subscription to what's the app as the

00:25:01.568 --> 00:25:05.877
thing, which makes it, lets me do like
like notification based like widget in

00:25:05.907 --> 00:25:07.624
the thing just for like change log stuff.

00:25:07.647 --> 00:25:08.001
Mario: Oh yeah.

00:25:08.051 --> 00:25:09.251
Alan: I can do that, but Yeah.

00:25:09.251 --> 00:25:12.805
you mentioned you like improve
the, just the stability of the

00:25:12.805 --> 00:25:14.155
recording system and stuff like that.

00:25:14.155 --> 00:25:17.485
So again, I think, I guess that's
the key now is that you want

00:25:17.485 --> 00:25:19.195
it to be Bulletproof, right?

00:25:19.950 --> 00:25:20.370
Mario: Yeah.

00:25:20.430 --> 00:25:23.880
Well, you know, of course nothing is
a hundred percent Bulletproof, but

00:25:23.921 --> 00:25:28.041
as close as I can get to, that is
my goal because of the nature of the

00:25:28.041 --> 00:25:31.971
product, you know, recording, I see it
as a mission critical kind of thing,

00:25:32.001 --> 00:25:35.241
even though, you know, lives are not
depending on it, but just the nature

00:25:35.241 --> 00:25:40.886
of, of recording and want it to be as
Bulletproof as I can possibly make it

00:25:40.886 --> 00:25:41.056
Alan: Yeah.

00:25:41.056 --> 00:25:43.491
I mean, th the last thing you
want is someone to like, hold on.

00:25:43.491 --> 00:25:47.211
I just did this interview and
it didn't give me anything.

00:25:47.241 --> 00:25:48.231
You lost it all, right.

00:25:48.716 --> 00:25:49.856
Mario: yeah, exactly.

00:25:49.856 --> 00:25:51.096
That wouldn't be good at all.

00:25:51.096 --> 00:25:56.586
So that's the, the one thing that kept me
from moving forward and feeling confident,

00:25:56.586 --> 00:26:00.786
you know, Releasing it to more people
and making it available to more people.

00:26:00.786 --> 00:26:05.576
So I really spent a lot of time
trying to think about how I could

00:26:05.589 --> 00:26:08.919
engineer this thing in a way
that, could be more reliable.

00:26:09.152 --> 00:26:13.265
And I finally came up with something
and it seems to be working, but it,

00:26:13.265 --> 00:26:17.571
required me to rewrite pretty large
portions of the recording engine.

00:26:17.571 --> 00:26:20.313
That's so much changing what was
already there, but it was more

00:26:20.313 --> 00:26:23.883
about expanding what I already
had and kind of fitting what I

00:26:23.883 --> 00:26:26.205
already had with this, new approach.

00:26:26.205 --> 00:26:30.720
And so I was able to get it to work
and seems to be working really well.

00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.410
I still need to see how it's gonna
perform if it's going to scale

00:26:34.410 --> 00:26:38.625
properly, you know, right now,
it seems to be working just fine.

00:26:38.625 --> 00:26:42.185
and it achieved the goal of
making recordings more reliable.

00:26:42.185 --> 00:26:46.115
So now even if the user closes the
browser in the middle of recording or

00:26:46.115 --> 00:26:51.711
refreshes the page, it'll still finish,
properly end and nothing will be lost.

00:26:51.711 --> 00:26:53.751
Alan: mean, I think that's,
that's the bit, which.

00:26:54.501 --> 00:26:57.771
I think, you know, from everything,
the product, everything else

00:26:57.771 --> 00:26:59.451
about it is just like fantastic.

00:26:59.451 --> 00:27:02.841
You know, and I, again, I think
you've got a fantastic prototype.

00:27:03.141 --> 00:27:06.261
That was the, the bit,
which is like, ah, hold on.

00:27:06.311 --> 00:27:10.071
I can't use this browser now because,
because it crashed last time.

00:27:10.371 --> 00:27:12.171
It's like, well, just might as
well throw away the browser.

00:27:12.171 --> 00:27:12.321
So,

00:27:12.501 --> 00:27:12.621
Yeah.

00:27:12.651 --> 00:27:16.336
making sure that, that, that is just,
as you say, it's just super solid.

00:27:16.373 --> 00:27:16.763
Mario: Yeah.

00:27:17.243 --> 00:27:18.833
Alan: it's is, is everything.

00:27:18.863 --> 00:27:22.823
And if you've got that solved, then,
you know, I think you're in a very

00:27:22.823 --> 00:27:26.868
good position, just cause again,
it's I mean something, that's, again,

00:27:26.888 --> 00:27:31.148
have a, a major advantage to me in
terms of what your product is, is

00:27:31.148 --> 00:27:33.488
that people get it so quickly, right?

00:27:33.514 --> 00:27:37.967
It's like in repo record podcasts,
you get double ended audio, you good?

00:27:38.297 --> 00:27:40.157
And I was like, okay, I know what that is.

00:27:40.193 --> 00:27:42.616
You know, I've got to effectively
go through this like education

00:27:42.616 --> 00:27:46.622
process, like explaining what on
earth this thing is which I, I.

00:27:47.442 --> 00:27:48.102
Yes.

00:27:48.322 --> 00:27:48.732
Sorry.

00:27:48.822 --> 00:27:51.537
I released this little
digital business card app

00:27:51.807 --> 00:27:52.347
Mario: Oh yeah.

00:27:52.757 --> 00:27:53.847
I was going to ask about that

00:27:54.597 --> 00:27:56.139
Alan: How about, we'll
talk about that later, but

00:27:56.199 --> 00:27:56.829
Mario: speed, right?

00:27:56.829 --> 00:27:57.029
Links.

00:27:57.149 --> 00:27:57.389
Alan: Yeah.

00:27:57.459 --> 00:27:57.999
So link, Speed.

00:27:57.999 --> 00:27:58.359
dial.

00:27:58.659 --> 00:28:03.222
And I can, I I've wrote it ages
ago and I spent literally a week

00:28:03.402 --> 00:28:06.942
just like in the evenings going,
I should just release this.

00:28:06.942 --> 00:28:07.092
Right.

00:28:07.092 --> 00:28:09.882
Because it's there and it's done
and I'm using it and people that

00:28:09.882 --> 00:28:11.472
I've shown it to actually liked it.

00:28:11.472 --> 00:28:12.492
So I should just release it.

00:28:12.492 --> 00:28:16.542
So I spent a bit, it was like five days,
just tidying it up and launching it.

00:28:17.352 --> 00:28:21.102
And the fact that that
requires literally zero.

00:28:21.132 --> 00:28:24.222
I mean, you can show them a picture and
everybody goes, oh, I know what that is.

00:28:24.432 --> 00:28:29.142
And it's like, it's
such a different thing.

00:28:29.142 --> 00:28:29.502
Right.

00:28:29.712 --> 00:28:33.942
Because you literally don't
have to explain anything at all.

00:28:34.095 --> 00:28:34.345
And

00:28:34.345 --> 00:28:35.705
Mario: They totally get it right away.

00:28:35.705 --> 00:28:38.746
Alan: Yeah and that's kind of
like, yeah what was I thinking?

00:28:39.746 --> 00:28:40.316
Mario: How's that going?

00:28:40.316 --> 00:28:40.706
By the way?

00:28:40.856 --> 00:28:42.536
How have you gotten subscribers?

00:28:42.546 --> 00:28:46.146
Alan: Well, yeah, there's
like 50, 60 people using it.

00:28:46.252 --> 00:28:48.592
And I literally tweeted about it once.

00:28:48.723 --> 00:28:53.403
And I see hits coming in quite
regularly of new signups and things.

00:28:53.403 --> 00:28:56.013
I'm like, all right, well,
I didn't do anything yet.

00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.149
So I, I want to revisit it.

00:28:58.149 --> 00:28:58.479
Yeah.

00:28:58.509 --> 00:29:02.725
I it's, especially since you know,
I can, it is bare bones, completely

00:29:02.725 --> 00:29:07.645
bare bones right now, in terms of you,
you can add links and social links.

00:29:07.645 --> 00:29:10.885
I just, you know, pre pre added
what 10 defaults or something

00:29:10.885 --> 00:29:12.205
like Facebook and stuff.

00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:16.720
And so if I definitely there's,
there's something there, just

00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.155
the fact that it was so Yeah.

00:29:18.185 --> 00:29:20.525
People seem to like it and I've got
some really good responses from it.

00:29:20.592 --> 00:29:23.912
And also it's it's an interesting
experiment for me in terms of LiveView

00:29:23.932 --> 00:29:29.227
because it's it again, it's it's another
Phoenix LiveView app and it's, So it's

00:29:29.227 --> 00:29:35.634
been interesting seeing its performance
and its characteristics when it's the

00:29:35.634 --> 00:29:40.824
most heavily, I don't say heavily, but
the most trafficked app LiveView app,

00:29:40.854 --> 00:29:43.764
I've got running at the moment, you
know, like DotPlan has a very right

00:29:43.764 --> 00:29:47.988
now predictable usage pattern just
because of the people that are using it.

00:29:47.992 --> 00:29:52.972
Whereas this is, you know, both the
visits coming in from wherever and the

00:29:52.972 --> 00:29:55.282
people that are randomly signing up.

00:29:55.291 --> 00:29:59.816
It's, it's like give me an insight into
just, you know, what kind of things to

00:29:59.816 --> 00:30:03.956
expect from it and what slows it down and
what doesn't, because you know, life view

00:30:03.956 --> 00:30:10.061
is a, it's a very different way of making
an app work from something like rails.

00:30:10.121 --> 00:30:16.271
So just seeing how to improve or how
to optimize that is, is a good lesson

00:30:16.271 --> 00:30:17.981
for oh DotPlan and everything else.

00:30:17.981 --> 00:30:21.761
So I'm kind of, I'm tempted to
experiment with it a bit more and

00:30:21.761 --> 00:30:26.891
plus because it's not my intent or at
least it hasn't been my intention to

00:30:26.891 --> 00:30:29.357
make it into a a product for money.

00:30:29.417 --> 00:30:33.974
I love how you, if, if it can get traffic,
then maybe there's an opportunity there.

00:30:33.994 --> 00:30:36.394
Mario: So you're not charging
for that service right now.

00:30:36.579 --> 00:30:36.819
Alan: Yeah.

00:30:37.209 --> 00:30:38.289
Well, that's the other thing as well.

00:30:38.289 --> 00:30:43.268
It's running on a a free, or it's
running on live as I flight out iOS

00:30:43.538 --> 00:30:51.318
minimum viable server platform as an
it's, it's using the Postgres service

00:30:51.341 --> 00:30:54.221
which means I have to pay for storage.

00:30:54.239 --> 00:30:58.696
Because normally the, the,
you, you lose it on reboot.

00:30:58.726 --> 00:30:59.056
Right.

00:30:59.082 --> 00:31:02.696
Whereas their Postgres service has
a, I want to allocate 10 gig to this.

00:31:02.906 --> 00:31:07.266
So it's, you actually have to pay
something for, for the storage.

00:31:07.325 --> 00:31:09.455
So I've got the literally minimum of that.

00:31:09.455 --> 00:31:12.575
And then everything else is just on
the minimum free things, which is a

00:31:12.635 --> 00:31:21.529
256 megabyte memory shared instance and
free everything else and so it's costing

00:31:21.529 --> 00:31:24.679
me $2, 15 cents a month or something.

00:31:24.679 --> 00:31:28.099
So, and, but seeing that people
like, oh my God, it's really fast.

00:31:28.159 --> 00:31:30.859
And I'm like, like literally on the dime.

00:31:31.135 --> 00:31:35.375
So again, it's just really interesting
getting some just some performance

00:31:35.375 --> 00:31:39.052
data and getting some experience of
how LiveView performes in the field,

00:31:39.732 --> 00:31:40.062
Mario: Yeah.

00:31:40.062 --> 00:31:41.112
Well, no, it's, perfect though.

00:31:41.112 --> 00:31:45.382
It's a, great match because it doesn't
require a lot of what the app is about.

00:31:45.382 --> 00:31:47.362
Doesn't require a whole lot of stuff.

00:31:47.362 --> 00:31:47.662
Right.

00:31:47.662 --> 00:31:52.422
It's just mainly some fields some
text fields and maybe an image here

00:31:52.422 --> 00:31:54.252
and there and links and that's it.

00:31:54.252 --> 00:31:56.352
And so it's so that's perfect.

00:31:56.647 --> 00:31:57.127
Alan: Exactly.

00:31:57.157 --> 00:32:02.347
It's it's minimum a minimum
maintenance and a minimum.

00:32:02.432 --> 00:32:06.762
It doesn't require external services, you
know, it's not, the API is to rely on it.

00:32:06.762 --> 00:32:11.072
Doesn't store a lot of data as, as
you said, it stores some images that

00:32:11.072 --> 00:32:12.712
are recompressed and re-skilled.

00:32:12.712 --> 00:32:16.052
So you're talking about a
few k here and there on S3.

00:32:16.352 --> 00:32:20.690
So it's yeah, it's, it's very
low maintenance and no fuss.

00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.530
So it's, it's an interesting thing
that I can use as an experiment,

00:32:24.560 --> 00:32:27.620
which is, was my primary.

00:32:28.410 --> 00:32:30.900
Thought process for making it public.

00:32:30.930 --> 00:32:31.200
Right.

00:32:31.276 --> 00:32:35.266
You know, it, I did toy with the idea
of just open source in the whole thing,

00:32:35.296 --> 00:32:39.568
which is still a potential just because
there isn't one of the great things

00:32:39.568 --> 00:32:43.258
about, you know, one rails really started
to take off, you know, I started using

00:32:43.568 --> 00:32:46.288
Rails before there was anything on Rails.

00:32:46.288 --> 00:32:49.410
So I kind of went through the
pain of trying to figure out

00:32:50.250 --> 00:32:51.510
everything was always at the edge.

00:32:51.510 --> 00:32:51.690
Right.

00:32:51.690 --> 00:32:55.405
Because no one had done this before
and there's no shared code anywhere.

00:32:55.405 --> 00:32:56.802
And That's how I ended
up writing the book.

00:32:56.802 --> 00:32:57.012
Right.

00:32:57.012 --> 00:33:00.939
Because, you know, I was one of the first
to go for the first few hundred thousands,

00:33:00.939 --> 00:33:02.182
whatever to go down these paths.

00:33:02.182 --> 00:33:05.872
So actually just going through the
process of making the book and I found

00:33:05.872 --> 00:33:11.174
that really I just really enjoyed it
and just, it's just really interesting.

00:33:11.684 --> 00:33:14.564
So I've been toying with the
idea of, okay, do I do something

00:33:14.564 --> 00:33:17.264
similar with Phoenix and LiveView?

00:33:17.669 --> 00:33:22.338
Not necessarily that I have more knowledge
of it than anybody else, but there isn't

00:33:22.398 --> 00:33:26.658
enough shed, you know, everybody gains
the more public code there is right.

00:33:26.658 --> 00:33:28.905
So I'm tempted to just either release it.

00:33:28.905 --> 00:33:32.775
I'll do do mini snippets
of like, how did I do this?

00:33:32.835 --> 00:33:37.179
You know, how did I do this in LiveView
you know, how, and the thing is, you

00:33:37.179 --> 00:33:41.229
know, that there are things which have
not found in any life you up and it's

00:33:41.229 --> 00:33:43.119
surprising just how many things you go.

00:33:43.149 --> 00:33:46.419
Well, no, one's, I can't find
any references to how to do

00:33:46.419 --> 00:33:48.039
this, so I better figure it out.

00:33:48.054 --> 00:33:51.768
I mean, even just simple stuff like
this you know, linked to QR code to

00:33:51.768 --> 00:33:55.518
share you think, or to download and
stick on a card or something, and

00:33:55.518 --> 00:33:56.778
it's like, okay, can find QR code.

00:33:57.768 --> 00:34:00.708
And I've got a web, how
do I, how do I do that?

00:34:01.608 --> 00:34:06.408
How do I get that to appear in the app
generated and included in the page?

00:34:06.408 --> 00:34:10.128
So it's something simple, but you
know, it could be a simple blog

00:34:10.158 --> 00:34:12.108
post or a video or something.

00:34:12.108 --> 00:34:16.308
So I've been toying with, you know,
what, what's the best way I can

00:34:16.548 --> 00:34:20.328
give people value from the stuff
I've, I've figured out for this.

00:34:20.328 --> 00:34:21.138
So I'm still

00:34:21.270 --> 00:34:21.840
Mario: Totally.

00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:25.080
If you're not going to turn it into
a paid product, that would be a great

00:34:25.080 --> 00:34:30.660
way to repurpose that, project and turn
it into a book or, how I built this

00:34:30.660 --> 00:34:32.660
just like you said, walk through the

00:34:32.985 --> 00:34:37.453
Alan: I've been trying to talk myself into
making some videos on it, just because it,

00:34:38.053 --> 00:34:41.173
it's probably the quickest way to do it.

00:34:41.203 --> 00:34:44.215
As in, if I talk through
you know, how did I do this?

00:34:44.215 --> 00:34:46.915
It's probably a 10 minute video.

00:34:46.962 --> 00:34:49.823
And it could potentially be not too much.

00:34:51.028 --> 00:34:55.706
Work famous last words for me to
talk through it for 10 minutes.

00:34:55.775 --> 00:34:59.668
But I, I know a lot of people don't
like video based development content,

00:34:59.668 --> 00:35:03.328
but I know a lot of people do so it
could be a good starting point anyway.

00:35:03.409 --> 00:35:03.889
Mario: Yeah.

00:35:04.009 --> 00:35:04.879
Yeah, for sure.

00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.689
Alan: would you say that about if you're
not going to monetize it, but one of the

00:35:09.689 --> 00:35:15.482
most interesting Resources for figuring
out how people have done stuff in Phoenix.

00:35:15.512 --> 00:35:17.552
They're not using LiveView,
but just in Phoenix.

00:35:17.552 --> 00:35:22.331
And Elixir anyway is a plausible.io
which is a Google analytics

00:35:22.331 --> 00:35:27.431
alternative, which is a privacy
focused, Google analytics alternative.

00:35:27.821 --> 00:35:29.621
That is a paid product.

00:35:29.725 --> 00:35:33.657
They're doing really well from is
like two founders based in the UK.

00:35:33.657 --> 00:35:35.142
And that is completely open source.

00:35:35.168 --> 00:35:37.568
And they're doing very well financially.

00:35:37.568 --> 00:35:41.318
And the reason for that is people found
out about it because they open-sourced it.

00:35:41.858 --> 00:35:48.444
So I think there's a potential path there
that is like his, you know, by talking

00:35:48.444 --> 00:35:51.174
about the code and sharing the code,
most people really don't want to set up

00:35:51.174 --> 00:35:53.394
a server to run that analytics server.

00:35:53.457 --> 00:35:54.987
Really you want to do that

00:35:55.782 --> 00:35:56.202
Mario: Yeah,

00:35:56.547 --> 00:35:57.288
Alan: a, you don't want to do that.

00:35:57.335 --> 00:36:00.915
So, but at the same time, knowing
how they're doing it and referencing

00:36:00.935 --> 00:36:02.495
that is, is interesting, right?

00:36:02.645 --> 00:36:02.735
Yeah,

00:36:03.980 --> 00:36:06.445
So, and it's useful to
people learning Phoenix.

00:36:06.895 --> 00:36:10.375
So I think there's something
similar there isn't like, Yeah.

00:36:10.375 --> 00:36:10.615
sure.

00:36:10.675 --> 00:36:14.545
I mean, again, what the app does,
isn't rocket science, it's just

00:36:14.635 --> 00:36:17.575
putting from some fault fields
on a page it's just convenient.

00:36:17.575 --> 00:36:17.795
Right.

00:36:17.802 --> 00:36:20.622
So there's, there's a similar
argument to be made where, so if it,

00:36:20.642 --> 00:36:24.762
if someone wanted to make link speed
it's it's on the weekend at most.

00:36:24.762 --> 00:36:25.002
Right.

00:36:25.063 --> 00:36:27.414
For what it does right now and the
analytics are interesting in as well.

00:36:27.414 --> 00:36:31.044
Cause it records like the page views
and page clicks and stuff as well.

00:36:31.152 --> 00:36:36.372
But it's do you really want to, most
people don't want to host it, so

00:36:36.837 --> 00:36:37.197
Mario: Yeah,

00:36:37.422 --> 00:36:39.282
Alan: is a potential
path there, so I dunno.

00:36:39.327 --> 00:36:39.747
Mario: yeah.

00:36:40.167 --> 00:36:40.587
Yeah.

00:36:41.517 --> 00:36:45.627
So I have a, an idea for a little
product that came about as I've been

00:36:45.627 --> 00:36:49.017
working on Fusioncast, but I'm not
ready to share it publicly saw I'll

00:36:49.017 --> 00:36:51.057
talk to you about it after we hang up

00:36:51.612 --> 00:36:54.392
Alan: So what, what's your next,
what's the next plan with Fusioncast?

00:36:54.717 --> 00:36:58.197
Mario: So my goal is to go to
market as soon as I can , now

00:36:58.197 --> 00:36:59.707
I feel more confident about it.

00:36:59.736 --> 00:37:00.426
There's one more.

00:37:00.485 --> 00:37:02.358
Thing that I need to do
though, before that, and it

00:37:02.358 --> 00:37:03.798
has to do with infrastructure.

00:37:03.798 --> 00:37:07.173
So I need to strengthen part of
the infrastructure right now.

00:37:07.173 --> 00:37:09.723
I only have one server running I'm sitting

00:37:09.828 --> 00:37:12.198
Alan: not quite the free
256 megabyte instance.

00:37:12.198 --> 00:37:12.648
So is it right?

00:37:13.273 --> 00:37:16.513
Mario: Yeah, no, it's, it's a
little, it's a little better than

00:37:16.548 --> 00:37:17.568
Alan: I should beef that up, I guess.

00:37:19.573 --> 00:37:23.353
Mario: but, it it's only one
server, so I need to have at least

00:37:23.353 --> 00:37:27.827
another one behind a load balancer
to have some kind of redundancy.

00:37:27.869 --> 00:37:29.579
I mean, I, I, yeah, I know.

00:37:29.609 --> 00:37:34.510
I, I don't really, but again, given
the nature of the product with the

00:37:34.510 --> 00:37:39.050
recording, I don't want that to be,
that's a point of failure right there.

00:37:39.050 --> 00:37:40.331
There was no redundancy.

00:37:40.331 --> 00:37:45.214
So I want to add another server just
to have some redundancy there and

00:37:45.219 --> 00:37:46.779
I'll be working on that pretty soon.

00:37:46.779 --> 00:37:47.559
meanwhile

00:37:47.576 --> 00:37:49.990
Alan: so what, what are you using
for data by season two solutions

00:37:49.990 --> 00:37:51.940
hosted database stuff or, okay,

00:37:51.984 --> 00:37:53.556
Mario: Hosted and managed database.

00:37:53.556 --> 00:37:55.776
Alan: seriously manage databases, never

00:37:55.866 --> 00:37:56.946
Mario: way to, yeah,

00:37:57.336 --> 00:37:59.406
Alan: Oh, I, it does war stories.

00:37:59.406 --> 00:38:00.901
I could tell you about Postgres.

00:38:00.961 --> 00:38:06.841
I love Postgres, but there was
a thing near trauma traumatized.

00:38:08.651 --> 00:38:12.342
Mario: we, can we enter that into
another episode at some point

00:38:13.142 --> 00:38:13.322
Alan: yeah.

00:38:13.352 --> 00:38:15.272
I pay other people to
look after my database.

00:38:15.817 --> 00:38:16.147
Mario: Right.

00:38:16.147 --> 00:38:16.597
Yeah.

00:38:16.687 --> 00:38:17.197
Yeah.

00:38:17.227 --> 00:38:18.787
That's, that's the way to do it.

00:38:18.997 --> 00:38:21.399
And and they, they do a replication too.

00:38:21.498 --> 00:38:22.338
So, you know,

00:38:23.013 --> 00:38:23.193
Alan: Yeah.

00:38:23.538 --> 00:38:27.143
Mario: backups and stuff, so it's
yeah, it's taken care of, and I

00:38:27.143 --> 00:38:28.223
don't have to worry about that,

00:38:28.258 --> 00:38:28.498
Alan: Cool.

00:38:28.528 --> 00:38:33.028
So basically the server would literally,
and plus you're, you're saving the

00:38:33.028 --> 00:38:35.708
chunks of the recording to S3 right.

00:38:35.728 --> 00:38:40.708
So the servers in theory can just
be identical and who, but, whoever's

00:38:40.708 --> 00:38:43.978
processing the data just takes over that.

00:38:44.038 --> 00:38:45.568
And the other one doesn't right.

00:38:45.598 --> 00:38:45.808
So

00:38:46.543 --> 00:38:47.443
Mario: right, right.

00:38:47.743 --> 00:38:48.193
Yeah.

00:38:48.283 --> 00:38:52.720
So yeah, so I need to do that, but I
mean that, I don't expect that to be a,

00:38:52.720 --> 00:38:55.400
a major hurdle famous last words again.

00:38:55.478 --> 00:38:55.748
But

00:38:55.761 --> 00:38:57.591
Alan: myself every time
I say I don't think.

00:38:58.146 --> 00:38:58.686
Mario: Yeah.

00:39:00.396 --> 00:39:00.726
Yeah.

00:39:00.726 --> 00:39:02.976
So that's the goal to get that going.

00:39:03.032 --> 00:39:06.752
But like I mentioned before, I'm
doing, I'm trying to do cycles.

00:39:06.752 --> 00:39:09.302
So this week I'm not even
doing anything about that.

00:39:09.302 --> 00:39:12.452
I'm just focusing on, things
that have to do with marketing

00:39:12.452 --> 00:39:13.712
and promoting the product.

00:39:13.776 --> 00:39:18.438
So I got a few more people
signed up for private beta.

00:39:18.438 --> 00:39:19.987
I'm not doing onboarding anymore

00:39:20.162 --> 00:39:20.492
Alan: Okay.

00:39:20.522 --> 00:39:21.032
Oh, cool.

00:39:21.152 --> 00:39:21.362
All right.

00:39:21.427 --> 00:39:25.802
Mario: know, one-on-one onboarding, but,
I have brought on a few more people and

00:39:25.805 --> 00:39:30.995
now there is a very simple, but I think
useful onboarding thing that I added

00:39:30.995 --> 00:39:32.745
to fusion because for the very first.

00:39:33.110 --> 00:39:38.080
Login users see kind of like a
guided thing where, you know, each

00:39:38.080 --> 00:39:40.660
screen tells them what they can do

00:39:40.730 --> 00:39:43.790
Alan: you using any library service for
that or are you just doing it yourself?

00:39:43.890 --> 00:39:44.190
Mario: Nope.

00:39:44.370 --> 00:39:44.670
Nope.

00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:46.890
it's just, it's very
bare bones, very simple.

00:39:46.900 --> 00:39:52.440
Just a little alert at the top of
the page of each screen and based on

00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:56.100
what screen it is, it kind of guides
them and tells them, what's going on.

00:39:56.640 --> 00:40:00.300
So hopefully that'll help to get
people up and running quickly.

00:40:00.349 --> 00:40:03.410
So yeah, that's, the goal really
just do a little bit of marketing and

00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:05.220
do a little bit of infrastructure.

00:40:05.220 --> 00:40:09.822
And then in between that I'm going
to be working on the billing system.

00:40:10.332 --> 00:40:10.572
Alan: Yeah.

00:40:10.752 --> 00:40:15.232
I mean, I'm, I'm glad that I went with
Paddle, which I kind of overcomplicated

00:40:15.252 --> 00:40:16.782
it a little bit just by having

00:40:16.891 --> 00:40:22.471
having multiple plans is, is fine,
but it's also just things get more

00:40:22.471 --> 00:40:25.621
complicated, especially when you have
like annual price and then a monthly

00:40:25.621 --> 00:40:28.501
price, which means you have two different
subscriptions, then you got, I've got

00:40:28.501 --> 00:40:31.851
three subscription levels and each
one's got monthly or annual billings,

00:40:31.871 --> 00:40:33.301
I've got six subscription levels.

00:40:33.691 --> 00:40:36.631
And, and it's just like, Ugh,
I gotta keep track of this.

00:40:37.231 --> 00:40:37.711
Mario: yeah,

00:40:38.071 --> 00:40:41.011
Alan: And then you've got trials which
are done internal to the product and it's

00:40:41.011 --> 00:40:44.341
surprising just how much piddly it is.

00:40:44.341 --> 00:40:44.671
Right.

00:40:44.761 --> 00:40:46.153
It's it's like, oh, I'll just bill for it.

00:40:46.153 --> 00:40:49.063
And then it's like, oh, can I just note

00:40:50.213 --> 00:40:50.813
Mario: yeah, yeah.

00:40:50.833 --> 00:40:52.153
Alan: a pain.

00:40:53.333 --> 00:40:53.633
Mario: Yeah.

00:40:53.753 --> 00:40:58.652
So that's, part of the plan for now figure
out pricing, the billing integration and

00:40:59.322 --> 00:41:00.056
Alan: I mean you're close.

00:41:00.086 --> 00:41:00.326
yeah.

00:41:00.386 --> 00:41:01.526
You're, you're so close to it.

00:41:01.526 --> 00:41:06.317
Just because again, it's if you've got
the stability aspects sorted, then.

00:41:07.232 --> 00:41:08.222
It's ready to go, right.

00:41:08.222 --> 00:41:10.442
Just to say, apart from
these little things.

00:41:10.562 --> 00:41:12.272
Cause it is really good product.

00:41:12.272 --> 00:41:14.492
I mean, it's, it's so clean.

00:41:14.492 --> 00:41:17.533
It's so intuitive and it looks great And.

00:41:17.563 --> 00:41:17.803
Yeah.

00:41:17.893 --> 00:41:18.883
And it just works really well.

00:41:18.943 --> 00:41:19.243
So

00:41:19.523 --> 00:41:19.883
Mario: Yeah.

00:41:19.913 --> 00:41:20.183
Yeah.

00:41:20.213 --> 00:41:20.693
Thank you.

00:41:20.723 --> 00:41:20.993
Thank you.

00:41:20.993 --> 00:41:25.400
I got some good feedback from one of the
recent people that I brought on board and

00:41:25.409 --> 00:41:29.554
they you know, they said it was really
nice looking app, and also got some

00:41:29.554 --> 00:41:34.092
feedback of some little things that I need
to change here and there,   nothing major.

00:41:34.156 --> 00:41:34.256
not

00:41:34.306 --> 00:41:35.472
Alan: You said about price plans.

00:41:35.472 --> 00:41:39.282
What's your, what's your current
thinking regarding pricing strategy?

00:41:40.542 --> 00:41:43.722
Mario: So I'm thinking, and this is
what I've been thinking all along.

00:41:43.722 --> 00:41:48.792
based on the nature of the product
something like usage based pricing

00:41:48.792 --> 00:41:53.118
would be good, but I don't want to get
into the business of nickel and diming

00:41:53.118 --> 00:41:54.878
people and, having to, count everything.

00:41:54.878 --> 00:41:58.218
So what I, I, it makes It makes the
problem more complicated, right.

00:41:58.218 --> 00:42:00.768
Cause I mean to keep track
of all this stuff, cause I

00:42:00.768 --> 00:42:01.668
don't want to get into that.

00:42:01.668 --> 00:42:05.932
So basically what I'm thinking is coming
up with like three different tiers

00:42:05.932 --> 00:42:11.449
that, give users the ability to use the
product at the level that they need.

00:42:11.449 --> 00:42:16.574
So kind of like X number of minutes per
month of recording time per month with

00:42:16.574 --> 00:42:18.224
all features, you get all the features.

00:42:18.224 --> 00:42:22.724
It's just really the price difference
is based on the amount of time

00:42:22.904 --> 00:42:26.444
Alan: like, you know, an hour of storage
per month or like, you know, five

00:42:26.444 --> 00:42:28.124
hours or 10 hours kind of thing, right?

00:42:28.284 --> 00:42:28.764
Mario: yeah.

00:42:28.764 --> 00:42:29.154
Yeah.

00:42:29.154 --> 00:42:30.214
So something like that.

00:42:30.217 --> 00:42:32.857
I don't really have the numbers
yet, but that's what I'm thinking.

00:42:32.887 --> 00:42:35.827
Three tiers, you know, low, medium, and,

00:42:36.117 --> 00:42:40.927
Alan: I mean, I did this and so I had a, I
do something similar exactly with DotPlan.

00:42:40.947 --> 00:42:41.187
Right.

00:42:41.214 --> 00:42:47.680
I took the eight again, having
been in teams where you say,

00:42:47.680 --> 00:42:48.910
can we just add so-and-so?

00:42:48.910 --> 00:42:52.690
and, they're like, ah,
it's another $7 a month.

00:42:52.690 --> 00:42:57.475
And you're like, So, but
people get re well, is, are

00:42:57.475 --> 00:42:58.735
they, is that person using it?

00:42:58.735 --> 00:42:59.965
Can we take them off it?

00:42:59.965 --> 00:43:04.015
And at that person, and it really
surprised me just how fussy people

00:43:04.015 --> 00:43:07.465
get over, you know, $9 a month,
extra for a team member, which

00:43:08.155 --> 00:43:11.035
again, as, as an employer, as a team
member, you're like, oh, come on.

00:43:11.065 --> 00:43:14.365
You know, for, for the, all of
the other costs, there's nothing.

00:43:14.365 --> 00:43:18.055
and it, but people do get really fussy
about it, especially if it's suddenly

00:43:18.055 --> 00:43:21.607
takes them over, like something they
can put on a, you know, an expense

00:43:21.607 --> 00:43:25.607
credit card versus getting HR involved
and getting something signed off.

00:43:25.666 --> 00:43:30.616
So I took the stance of like, okay, I'll
just do three tiers, effectively, 10 up

00:43:30.616 --> 00:43:33.196
to 10 people up to 20 people or unlimited.

00:43:33.240 --> 00:43:36.589
Thinking w most right now everyone's
just going to go for the 10 because

00:43:36.589 --> 00:43:38.059
that's the people I'm speaking to.

00:43:38.059 --> 00:43:40.109
And that's the customers
I expect right now.

00:43:40.137 --> 00:43:44.830
But funnily enough, even this
I mean, it's, it's cheap 50

00:43:44.830 --> 00:43:46.330
something dollars a month.

00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:46.900
I can't remember.

00:43:47.530 --> 00:43:47.980
Mario: Okay.

00:43:49.025 --> 00:43:52.529
Alan: And so this first client is like,
but there's only seven of us are using

00:43:52.529 --> 00:43:56.859
it, but we're paying for 10 and I'm
like, no, that's not how it works...

00:43:56.899 --> 00:44:00.839
So even when you go for the,
like, I'll just charge one, so

00:44:00.839 --> 00:44:02.069
you don't have to worry about it.

00:44:02.369 --> 00:44:03.269
It's like, Yeah.

00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:04.409
we don't need 10.

00:44:04.409 --> 00:44:05.149
We're only getting old.

00:44:05.149 --> 00:44:05.729
It needs seven.

00:44:05.759 --> 00:44:05.909
Yeah.

00:44:05.909 --> 00:44:07.889
But, Okay.

00:44:07.889 --> 00:44:08.189
fine.

00:44:10.589 --> 00:44:11.639
So you can't win is

00:44:11.729 --> 00:44:12.179
Mario: Yeah.

00:44:12.509 --> 00:44:12.929
yeah.

00:44:13.054 --> 00:44:13.444
Alan: Yeah.

00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:14.459
Mario: Interesting.

00:44:15.399 --> 00:44:18.988
the other thing that I want to that be
thinking about introducing or making

00:44:18.988 --> 00:44:23.681
part of the, pricing structure is this
idea of file retention, which I wanted

00:44:23.681 --> 00:44:25.231
to see what your thoughts are on that.

00:44:25.231 --> 00:44:30.197
So because storage, If it just everything
stays there and continues to pile up.

00:44:30.197 --> 00:44:31.697
Cost continues to go up.

00:44:32.147 --> 00:44:35.967
So I'm trying to think ways of
managing that in a better way.

00:44:35.967 --> 00:44:38.187
And this, file retention period.

00:44:38.187 --> 00:44:40.677
That would be part of each tier.

00:44:40.677 --> 00:44:44.817
you know, the lowest tier, maybe like 90
day file retention or something like that.

00:44:45.477 --> 00:44:48.807
And, a year and then two years,
or, you know, something like that,

00:44:48.807 --> 00:44:52.807
where there's some kind of limit
that the files need to come down

00:44:52.837 --> 00:44:52.947
Alan: Yeah.

00:44:53.187 --> 00:44:57.022
Just because I, I mean, th
the, the, the storage is okay.

00:44:57.022 --> 00:45:00.202
It's, it's not massive,
but it's not zero either.

00:45:00.202 --> 00:45:03.052
And as you said, it will
add up, especially when most

00:45:03.052 --> 00:45:03.922
people aren't going to need it.

00:45:03.922 --> 00:45:04.132
Right.

00:45:04.132 --> 00:45:06.712
You know, you, they're
going to be recording it.

00:45:06.742 --> 00:45:09.742
They're going to download
it pretty much immediately

00:45:09.742 --> 00:45:11.572
afterwards, a few weeks at most.

00:45:11.572 --> 00:45:11.872
Right.

00:45:12.307 --> 00:45:12.957
Mario: Exactly.

00:45:12.997 --> 00:45:13.567
So they're gonna

00:45:13.942 --> 00:45:14.302
Alan: fair.

00:45:14.482 --> 00:45:14.692
Yeah.

00:45:14.852 --> 00:45:15.262
Mario: Right?

00:45:15.277 --> 00:45:17.707
They, cause they're
gonna publish the audio.

00:45:17.707 --> 00:45:22.274
They're gonna you know, do whatever they
need to do with it after it's recorded.

00:45:22.274 --> 00:45:27.432
So it doesn't really need to be sitting
there on Fusioncast systems forever.

00:45:27.462 --> 00:45:27.772
Right?

00:45:27.772 --> 00:45:27.942
It,

00:45:27.952 --> 00:45:30.832
Alan: get in Dropbox if you want
to, you know, keep it shared with

00:45:30.832 --> 00:45:31.912
other people or things like that.

00:45:31.912 --> 00:45:32.362
So, Yeah.

00:45:32.362 --> 00:45:35.482
I mean, it's, I wouldn't, I
wouldn't think twice about that.

00:45:35.512 --> 00:45:39.472
And I, I think if 90 days is
for, for most people is going

00:45:39.472 --> 00:45:41.032
to be more than plenty, right.

00:45:41.062 --> 00:45:43.942
Just because as you said, it's,
if you've just recorded it, then

00:45:43.942 --> 00:45:46.072
you're going to want to download it.

00:45:46.282 --> 00:45:48.220
If not immediately then very soon.

00:45:48.220 --> 00:45:51.970
I can see the, you know, sharing, you
know, a few, if you have an editor, they

00:45:51.970 --> 00:45:53.950
need to go in and download it and edit it.

00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:59.020
And that might take, you know, even a few
weeks, but I think 90 days is, is plenty.

00:45:59.080 --> 00:45:59.470
I wouldn't

00:45:59.640 --> 00:46:00.030
Mario: Right.

00:46:00.060 --> 00:46:04.290
So I'm thinking maybe it would
be 90 days and then six months

00:46:04.290 --> 00:46:05.820
and then a year, you know?

00:46:05.980 --> 00:46:06.760
Alan: That sounds very fair.

00:46:08.620 --> 00:46:11.970
Mario: So hopefully I don't get
pushback about that or, you know,

00:46:12.035 --> 00:46:15.335
Alan: And I mean, people know
it's storage, isn't free, right.

00:46:16.200 --> 00:46:16.590
Mario: right,

00:46:16.625 --> 00:46:18.725
Alan: You're charging for the recording.

00:46:18.725 --> 00:46:21.782
You're not becoming in
our file storage system.

00:46:21.792 --> 00:46:23.952
That's your feature, that's
your, what it's about?

00:46:23.992 --> 00:46:26.692
Yeah, I mean, you, you, I
don't know if you have a, I

00:46:26.692 --> 00:46:27.712
can't remember the interface.

00:46:27.862 --> 00:46:30.791
Do you have recordings
effectively get archived?

00:46:31.331 --> 00:46:33.281
I mean, you could just
show it in the history.

00:46:33.281 --> 00:46:36.207
It's like you know, this is
effectively been archived, right?

00:46:36.357 --> 00:46:41.817
It's the recording is grayed out
and it's like, just as long as

00:46:41.817 --> 00:46:45.147
there's notifications, you know,
send them an email in a week before

00:46:45.147 --> 00:46:47.547
it's going to go or two weeks
before it's going to get removed and

00:46:47.772 --> 00:46:48.972
Mario: Yeah, exactly.

00:46:49.372 --> 00:46:53.232
They would need to be notified ahead
of time and you know, that way they

00:46:53.232 --> 00:46:54.612
can do whatever they need to do.

00:46:54.612 --> 00:46:56.892
And in case they need to download them.

00:46:56.892 --> 00:46:57.042
But.

00:46:57.847 --> 00:46:59.417
So yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

00:46:59.687 --> 00:47:02.777
Alan: Yeah, Because again, you
don't want to, it just because

00:47:02.897 --> 00:47:04.457
it's an incremental cost, right.

00:47:05.057 --> 00:47:08.417
Every recording they do just
adds to that baseline cost.

00:47:08.491 --> 00:47:09.661
And you don't need that.

00:47:10.111 --> 00:47:11.011
Mario: yeah, exactly.

00:47:11.011 --> 00:47:11.641
all right, cool.

00:47:11.641 --> 00:47:13.321
that makes me feel good about you know,

00:47:13.351 --> 00:47:14.011
Alan: Let's put it this way.

00:47:14.041 --> 00:47:17.195
I wouldn't expect you to re if I was
using it, I wouldn't expect you to

00:47:17.195 --> 00:47:19.025
make, you know, keep it indefinitely.

00:47:19.025 --> 00:47:21.575
Just, it's just like, why, why would you

00:47:22.465 --> 00:47:22.765
Mario: Yeah.

00:47:22.985 --> 00:47:25.525
We're not a file storage service.

00:47:25.525 --> 00:47:26.575
We're recording service,

00:47:26.615 --> 00:47:27.095
Alan: Exactly.

00:47:27.685 --> 00:47:28.045
Mario: yeah,

00:47:28.235 --> 00:47:32.024
Alan: I think as long as the limits are
sensible and not, you know, like, do you

00:47:32.024 --> 00:47:33.494
have like four days to re-download it,

00:47:34.574 --> 00:47:34.844
Mario: yeah,

00:47:35.534 --> 00:47:37.514
Alan: it's absolutely fine.

00:47:37.514 --> 00:47:40.124
And I wouldn't expect any
pushback from that at all.

00:47:40.904 --> 00:47:41.294
Mario: yeah.

00:47:41.504 --> 00:47:41.804
Okay.

00:47:41.894 --> 00:47:43.004
Alan: Famous last words as well.

00:47:43.664 --> 00:47:44.294
Mario: I know, right.

00:47:46.049 --> 00:47:48.209
Alan: I'm not great at
predicting what people will say.

00:47:49.209 --> 00:47:51.009
I can't see an issue in that case.

00:47:52.004 --> 00:47:55.244
Mario: So yeah, I think that's it
on my end, we'll see how it goes.

00:47:55.339 --> 00:47:57.919
Alan: So are we going to get
back into publishing these?

00:47:58.035 --> 00:47:58.095
I

00:47:58.320 --> 00:47:59.370
Mario: oh yes.

00:47:59.475 --> 00:48:00.375
Alan: We need to release them.

00:48:01.695 --> 00:48:03.315
Well, actually in one
way, this is interesting.

00:48:03.315 --> 00:48:06.495
Cause we, how many have we
got, like in the buffer queue?

00:48:06.525 --> 00:48:07.035
Because we can

00:48:07.330 --> 00:48:08.290
Mario: there was one more,

00:48:08.415 --> 00:48:08.895
Alan: oh, really?

00:48:08.925 --> 00:48:09.325
Okay.

00:48:09.325 --> 00:48:10.025
Is there any more.

00:48:10.175 --> 00:48:10.655
to edit?

00:48:10.655 --> 00:48:11.345
I can't remember.

00:48:11.378 --> 00:48:14.708
Mario: Yes, there's more to edit
which I need to get back on.

00:48:14.805 --> 00:48:18.029
Alan: I mean, I think the it's
interesting also because we, I, I think

00:48:19.409 --> 00:48:25.343
the potential for what we're discussing
is I think changing as well, because

00:48:25.343 --> 00:48:29.903
we're both in a position where I may
not effectively a post-launch and what

00:48:29.903 --> 00:48:35.213
the hell do I do now position you're
hopefully about to do the same thing.

00:48:35.283 --> 00:48:40.662
So definitely I think there's a chance
to kind of target what were discussing

00:48:41.352 --> 00:48:43.392
slightly different on a weekly basis too.

00:48:43.392 --> 00:48:43.632
Right.

00:48:43.632 --> 00:48:47.052
Because the, the thing isn't like, oh,
what should I do with this feature?

00:48:47.052 --> 00:48:48.282
Or where should this button go?

00:48:48.342 --> 00:48:50.712
It's a bit more like, okay.

00:48:50.805 --> 00:48:52.515
What kind of challenges am I having Right.

00:48:52.515 --> 00:48:52.875
now?

00:48:52.905 --> 00:48:54.787
And it's less about what I got done.

00:48:54.787 --> 00:48:58.533
And what about, more about, you know,
like I guess strategizing or something

00:48:59.313 --> 00:48:59.703
Mario: Right.

00:48:59.763 --> 00:49:00.123
Yep.

00:49:00.183 --> 00:49:00.453
Yeah.

00:49:00.453 --> 00:49:04.203
The, the challenges will, slowly
morph into something else.

00:49:04.203 --> 00:49:08.183
A little bit of the usual,
but a little more of new,

00:49:08.183 --> 00:49:09.641
different kinds of, challenges.

00:49:09.641 --> 00:49:10.091
So, yeah,

00:49:10.161 --> 00:49:11.601
Alan: No, I I'd be all over that.

00:49:11.691 --> 00:49:11.911
Yeah.

00:49:11.913 --> 00:49:16.803
I'm happy to, would be nice to get into
both catch up with it because I also feel

00:49:16.803 --> 00:49:19.983
a bit weird that like we're publishing
something we'd spoke about six months ago.

00:49:20.643 --> 00:49:21.093
It'd been there.

00:49:21.303 --> 00:49:24.679
I mean, I guess that's one way we can
kind of catch up somehow don't know.

00:49:24.739 --> 00:49:24.979
how

00:49:25.889 --> 00:49:26.339
Mario: Yeah.

00:49:26.339 --> 00:49:30.329
I'm going to spend more time this week
editing, so we'll see how far I can get.

00:49:30.349 --> 00:49:30.919
Alan: you're using

00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.279
Mario: on the, on the weekend as well,

00:49:32.479 --> 00:49:34.189
Alan: Or you're using,
you're using description now.

00:49:34.189 --> 00:49:34.429
Right.

00:49:34.659 --> 00:49:35.139
Mario: Yes.

00:49:35.359 --> 00:49:35.939
Yes, I am

00:49:35.939 --> 00:49:39.160
Alan: If there's anything I can do again
just let me know if you want me to have a

00:49:39.160 --> 00:49:44.350
got one or if you just again, once you've
done it just I'll look into Transistor.

00:49:44.350 --> 00:49:46.330
I, I think I said, I think that's on me.

00:49:46.330 --> 00:49:47.200
That's the last one.

00:49:47.200 --> 00:49:48.040
Didn't get published.

00:49:50.610 --> 00:49:50.820
Yeah,

00:49:51.260 --> 00:49:52.120
Mario: no no worries.

00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:52.980
No worries

00:49:53.060 --> 00:49:53.880
Alan: We were bad.

00:49:54.060 --> 00:49:55.080
I think we're both by

00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.296
Mario: yeah, we, yeah, we both, we
both dropped the ball on on getting

00:49:59.296 --> 00:50:01.366
this going, but no, no worries.

00:50:01.369 --> 00:50:03.305
We'll we'll get back to it and yeah.

00:50:03.385 --> 00:50:06.770
Alan: yeah, because I mean, again, I
think it's it's really, it's beneficial

00:50:06.770 --> 00:50:08.420
for me and I hope it is for you.

00:50:08.420 --> 00:50:12.050
And I hope somebody somewhere gets
something from it, just because I think

00:50:12.050 --> 00:50:19.182
it's it, again, this I'm just saying
these things out loud makes a difference.

00:50:19.240 --> 00:50:24.479
And I don't know if other people find
that true too, but a lot of the time,

00:50:24.479 --> 00:50:27.149
you know, you're going through this
stuff internally and you think you've

00:50:27.149 --> 00:50:31.388
got it sussed out and then you explain
it and then you're like I didn't.

00:50:31.393 --> 00:50:31.663
Mario: Yeah.

00:50:32.768 --> 00:50:34.058
Alan: So it's definitely helpful.

00:50:34.157 --> 00:50:35.687
And as I hope it is for you too.

00:50:36.232 --> 00:50:37.012
Mario: For sure.

00:50:37.012 --> 00:50:37.372
Yeah.

00:50:37.402 --> 00:50:39.142
It's super helpful for me too.

00:50:39.142 --> 00:50:43.279
I enjoy having our conversations
and it's super helpful.

00:50:43.329 --> 00:50:46.599
Otherwise, you know, I don't really,
you know, other than the communities

00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:50.496
that we belong to, that where we, you
know interact with and ask questions or

00:50:50.496 --> 00:50:52.537
whatever, or learn from others as well.

00:50:52.537 --> 00:50:56.883
But it, it's something about actually
saying things out loud and talking

00:50:56.883 --> 00:51:01.203
and bouncing ideas or you know,
even just experiences, of what we've

00:51:01.203 --> 00:51:03.033
been working on is super useful.

00:51:03.157 --> 00:51:03.497
Alan: Nice one,

00:51:05.002 --> 00:51:05.362
Mario: Cool.

00:51:05.542 --> 00:51:05.992
All right.

00:51:05.992 --> 00:51:07.512
So should we wrap it up here?

00:51:07.617 --> 00:51:07.862
Alan: I I guess

00:51:07.862 --> 00:51:07.992
so.

00:51:07.992 --> 00:51:08.052
Yeah.

00:51:08.122 --> 00:51:08.602
Sounds good.

00:51:08.684 --> 00:51:11.639
Mario: All right, Alan we'll
meet again in a couple of weeks.

00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:12.459
Alan: Cheers, man.