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Music coming to you from crash
studios in Music City, USA,

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Nashville. This is the rich
Redmond show.

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What's up, folks? Rich Redmond
here? Yes, it's that time. It's

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time It's time for another
exciting episode of the rich

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Redmond show. We talk about all
things like music, motivation,

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success. Hey, anything that
comes up today? Very excited. We

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got a new nashvillian here
today, originally from Detroit,

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truly a young lion, successful
drummer, music, executive record

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producer. For the last nine
years, he's been playing with

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the Motor City madman, Ted
Nugent, I'm talking about our

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new friend. Jason Hartless,
What's up, buddy? Great to you,

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brother, Hey, man, you're not a
new friend. We've known each

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other for a good five, six
years, but you're a new

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nashvillian. Yes, you moved here
in November, which means you've

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been here for about six months.
You like it? Tell us about it.

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I've always loved Nashville.
Yeah, I've been commuting back

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and forth 1015, years, you know.
So it, it's great to be here,

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and it's great to, you know, see
all the friends that I've known

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forever and would only see once
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So, yeah, well, welcome, you
know, they said it takes about

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two, two years to really be a
nashvillian. But you're fine.

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You have this pedigree. There's
something in the water of

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Detroit. Man, you got, you know,
Nugent. You got the Motown

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sound. Kid rocks from their bub.
See, there's, what's the deal?

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It's in the water. I don't know.
Man. I mean, you look at the 60s

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and 70s, the amount of music
that came out of Detroit, you

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know, not just Ted and Segar,
but, you know, Alice Cooper and

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MC five. And you know, it's just
so many, so many iconic bands.

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And you know, even, even all the
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know, band called totally red,
that was amazing with Chad

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Smith, before he joined chili
peppers, really, okay? And, you

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know, Greg Bissonnette came out
of Detroit, right? Just, you

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know, so many amazing musicians.
And you know, there's, there's

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definitely something in the
water in that town, yeah. And

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you, you reap the benefits at a
young age. You were playing at a

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high level. What age was it that
you started playing? And your

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dad's a drummer, yeah, you know,
I, my dad was, was always around

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the scene back in the day, and,
you know, had some pretty good

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success, you know, in the
Midwest with his bands. And you

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know, he was very close with ace
Fraley camp. You know him and

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Ace go back, you know, 35 plus
years. And so I was kind of born

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into that music scene right
away. And you know, around the

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time I was born, I he kind of
retired from playing. And, you

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know, six months old, I was
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And then sure enough, you know,
by the time I could crawl in the

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kit myself, I was jamming with
his buddies. And you know, then

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playing gigs around town when I
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that's where everything starts.
Well, you are a great player.

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And I was, I love getting to do
this podcast, because I get to

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shine a light on on, you know,
friends, old and new, but, you

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know, I get to do a deep dive.
We'll get all these videos, even

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some covers you have where
you're playing like a who song,

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uh, Won't Get Fooled Again. And
you're just like, nailing the

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the Keith Moon style, not a
chart in sight. Did you do it?

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Note for note that cover? Well,
the WHO and Toto are my two

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favorite bands of all. Okay, so,
you know, I studied those, those

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tracks, studio precision of
Jeff, right? And then you got

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the reckless abandon of Keith,
yeah? And then you, it's like,

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you got your peanut butter in my
job is that, is that kind of

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like your, your playing style? I
would say, Yeah, you know, like,

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I, I've always been a, you know,
a studio rat. I always been in

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the studio doing that thing, but
I've also been a live guy for,

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you know, my career. So I always
like to be in that situation to

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where I can kind of mold myself
into whatever drummer you can

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be. If you need a two and four
guy, I can give you that. If you

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need a Keith Moon guy, can give
you that. If you need a fun guy,

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can give you that, you know, and
that's what keeps it, I think,

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interesting and fun about what
we do as Hired Gun musicians is

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like, you never know what the
gigs on a call for. You know, I

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was on tour with Joly Turner one
time, and I literally flew back

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to Detroit, went straight to the
studio and cut a big band

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Christmas album with some of Bob
Segers horn section, nice, you

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know, going from Rainbow and
deep purple to Big Band, big

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band experience. And we would
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net, like nestico charts, that
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I've always loved 40s jazz, you
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was very little big band, 40s
jazz has just always been some

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of my favorite stuff. Basie
Ellington, and then, you know,

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even then you add, you know,
buddy and Jean and, you know,

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Louis Belson, all those classic
drummers too, like I've always

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tried to approach my playing
very similar to a big band

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drummer, and that you're playing
off the band, versus just

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playing a beat, you know,
playing playing a groove, you

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have some sort of lope in
whatever you're doing. You know

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that kind of still hands back to
that big band 40s drumming. This

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is what this is. You can't teach
your level of experience in your

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natural talent, because when you
watch someone like you saying

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yourself, this guy did not learn
how to play drums from a Hal

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Leonard book. And we was like
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Just jumped into the deep end of
the pool and started playing

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music at a very young age. I
think you're barely, like, at

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the tender age of 29 or
something. And it's like, you

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really play like a 59 year old
man. You know what I mean? It's

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there's a lot of experience
there. And the the double bass

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stuff that you do at the at the
end when you're playing, you

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know your trash can endings
with, with Ted, fantastic hand

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and foot combinations, double
bay speed. Did I see you were

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playing some dates with
Halloween? Or is it Halloween?

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Yeah, Halloween, yeah. Is that a
European band? No, Detroit band,

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actually. But they, you know,
they're big in the than the

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European and Mexico. And do they
only work one day a year? Or,

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okay, yeah, pretty much, you
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you know, festivals in Germany
or whatever. And you know, the

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drummer couldn't get over there,
so they called me to do it

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super, super metal, nice, double
bass, fast stuff. So let's say

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hi to our friend Jim McCarthy.
Jim McCarthy, voiceovers.com I

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was just gonna sit over here in
my ashtray. No, you

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know, no, because everybody
knows that Jim is, of is a great

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drummer, and there would be no
rich Redmond show without Jim.

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He is the secret weapon. We had
a nice little dinner party the

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other night. We put a hurting on
a nice box of wine.

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It's in Jim's, don't, you know,
throw shade on the box.

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Value there this value he goes,
this is four bottles of wine in

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one box. Can't go wrong. So no,
not my gal, Cara made it some

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nice food. And Jim's wife,
Courtney, brought her famous

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homemade bread, the B rib.

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I'm sure that you've seen Jason
play at some point online or

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somewhere with Ted Nugent. He's
had the job for the last nine

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years. He's just a young lion
man. He's a great rock drummer.

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Anytime you see him playing any
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that's what that guy does. It's
almost like, you know Omar Akim.

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I remember Omar Akim saying, I
love drummers, where you go and

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you would see and you're like,
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you realize, oh, my God, a guy
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does everything. He's not even
30 years old. That's incredible.

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You just found your calling very
early on. Yeah, very that's a

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gift to find your calling and
your purpose. Do you remember

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when you started playing like
that? What age? You know, I

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just, I've been doing it so
long, it's hard to remember, you

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know, just in your DNA, what did
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professionally, five years old,
and then I started touring.

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Don't forget to pay the five
year old we're paying. He gets

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paid in candy. Okay, what does
that look like a five year old

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professional drummer? Yeah, what
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Was that you got paid? Well, you
know, you know, playing local

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gigs, you know, the top 40
covers type stuff, you know,

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nothing. You know there was this
way, pre YouTube and all that

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stuff. Oh yeah, you know, 25
years ago, playing, playing, you

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know, in local clubs around town
with, you know, my dad's buddies

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and stuff like that. And, you
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early. And so 25 years ago, for
29 years ago, rather, you're

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looking at not 25 you're looking
so you're almost 30 now you're

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five, so about 24 years ago. So
you're looking at 2000 Yep. And

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a lot of the YouTube generation
didn't come to be until oh

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60708, but you're still had
people probably getting video of

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this. Yeah, absolutely, you
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know, my parents would always
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So I got a lot of this, you
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know, I've been able to share
it. And, you know, and even, you

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know, my dad played Pearl drums.
And, you know, I'm a, I've been

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a pearl artist for 20 years now.
And there's some classic photos,

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because my dad's got this big,
giant Pearl drums banner behind

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his kit. So there's video of me
when I'm, you know, two years

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old, just playing this kit in
this giant Pearl truck, even

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promoting the product. You're
not even knowing it exactly,

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exactly they signed up at nine
years old. I mean, that's when a

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company really believes in you.
That's incredible. They're like,

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we're investing in this kit for
the long haul. And, yeah, I'm

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sure your pearl rep comes out,
and it's and, and, you know, you

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wine and dine them backstage.
And what a cool thing. Yeah,

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it's, it's been great, you know,
it I've been so fortunate to

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have to kind of been where I've
been at such a young age. And,

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you know, now, looking going on
30, I'm like, Damn, I'm old, but

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I gotta, I gotta keep, I gotta
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Damn, it's okay. Well, it's way
because you started way early,

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because obviously you're so busy
playing, getting experience,

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getting paid

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College. Didn't do college. You
were just, yeah, you did

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college, yeah. So I, I graduated
from Berkeley, a rare graduator,

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yeah. But I, actually, I was a
music business major, and I

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started my degree two weeks
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Nugent, and because, you know, I
didn't want to up and move to

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Boston for four years and, you
know, so I went the online

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approach. So I all through
college, I was on the road, you

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know, doing my degree, you know,
and then rocking with the Music

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City madman, yep, the Motor City
madman. You're the Music City

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mad man, right?

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Well, that.

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That's, that's impressive,
congratulations. And I think

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that's a product, a byproduct,
of the times that we're in,

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being able to go to college
online. And it's like, I

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remember the whole college
experience for me was like, I

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lived in 317 Clement Hall in
Lubbock, Texas, and I had the

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meal program where you can eat
the three meals a day, and you

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got to ride your bike to your
music theory class. And it was

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the whole thing, you know what I
mean, that whole thing, gonna

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ride a skateboard to your you
know, you had the bike and, you

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know, it's just going across.
Occasionally you would leave the

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music building to go because
you'd have to take a physics

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class, physics of sound, or
you'd have to take an algebra

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class, or American history and,
and, but most of the time you

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are in that music building, and
you're playing temps and vibes,

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all this stuff that a lot of
times I didn't want to do, but I

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said, you know, I have to do
this. Just jump through these

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hoops, kid. So you got this
practical degree, you got the

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music business degree, and
you've been dabbling in the

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business side of the business
for a long time. What are some

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of those jobs vinyl? You're
missing vinyl? Yeah. I mean,

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I've kind of run a couple
companies, including my own

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sound City Music Group for last
number of years. And, you know,

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I do that with my dad, and you
know, it's great, because I've

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always been a vinyl guy, and,
you know, enjoyed it, and even

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before the new, huge, huge
resurgence. So, you know, we

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partnered with third man Jack
White's pressing plant in

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Detroit. So we've been great
partners with them and

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manufacturing all of our stuff.
But, you know, I've done, I've

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been, you know, working with the
suite, you know, 70s glamorous

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band for last five, six years.
And, you know, I've been

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archiving all the Nugent stuff
the last number of years. And

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we've put out a bunch of, you
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just put out Steeler invade
Malmsteen for his band and and,

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you know, sparks and the knack
and bunch of bunch of cool

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stuff. What about the knack?
Because that literally, that's

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just that record dropped 45
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we just past November, put out
the knack live in 1980 in in

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Holland. You know, Gary. Gary,
he was, who was the drummer in,

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in the neck care. Well, Pat
Torpy played drums pre mr., big

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with him, too, with them, too,
but, and then, but, yeah, but he

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was the house drummer Capitol
Records also, and he was, died

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way too young, but he is, he is
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drummers, absolutely amazing.
You you might know this, but the

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the engineer, Pete Coleman, he
engineered all the Blondie

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records, all the Pat Benatar
records, and he engineered the

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knack recording. So he recorded
night my Sharona, and he said

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these guys were so good, and
they were such a hot band in LA

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they played every night of the
week all over Los Angeles. They

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basically just sat up in the
studio and Pete pressed record,

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and they ran the whole record
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that whole first record, to me,
is a perfect album, top to

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bottom, yeah? Just raw
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perfect record. So vinyl is
profitable, yeah? I mean, in

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this day and age, when we're
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all the stuff with Spotify and
all the stuff with all the

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touring promoters and things of
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seems to be the only viable
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artists. You know, unless you're
a massive, massive artist, a lot

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of these indies are still able
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some good money off of it. Yeah,
they're actually calling people

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back. They have to find, like
labor to put press the records.

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so many, there's more and more

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pressing plants opening. I mean,
I'm blanking on which I think

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there's quite a few here. I
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or three here. I mean, United
still here. They've been here

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forever. But, you know,
Detroit's got to, I mean,

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Metallica, literally, they were
pressing so much that they just

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straight up bought a pressing
plant, yeah. And I think I don't

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remember which, which one they
did, but Lars is like, just so

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one of my art pieces, and we'll
buy the factory exactly, you

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know. And it's crazy because it,
you know, I'm 29 growing up as a

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late millennial, you know, just
barely making the cut, the Gen

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Z, yeah, it's, you know, we grew
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still grew up with CDs and, you
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but, you know, I remember I was
10 getting an iPod, and, you

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know, we didn't really have the
digital aspect of it. You know,

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I love streaming as a consumer,
but of course, us as a as

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musicians and creative types, it
hinders us. So having vinyl

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helps bring back that
kinesthetic quality that, you

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know, I think music has been
lacking since streaming and

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digital has kind of come about
because you're paying $10 for a

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digital album, or paying your
monthly fee to stream whatever

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you want, but you don't hold
something. You don't have an art

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piece, you know, and that's the
big thing that I've always tried

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to do, is every art that would
be on vinyl records that I would

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do always top notch. Well, even,
like, you know, there's a

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tactileness to the notion of
vinyl. Anyway, I'm gonna pull

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Joe Rogan and find out who the
drummer was for the knack he's.

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Sounds so familiar. Like I
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yeah. Gary Bruce, yeah. I was
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time, right? Yeah. Like, even,
do you remember putting vinyl on

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and, you know, some kids back in
the 70s and everything, or even

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the 60s, would put the speaker,
like, on their chest or on their

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belly and lay on the floor, you
know, and as the record would

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play, it was, it was such a
tactile experience. Well, I

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mean, you're, you're putting
something on, and then, you

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know, in 1520 minutes, you're
gonna have to get up and flip it

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anyways, you know. And you've
got a little exercise, yeah, you

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get a little exercise. You get
to hold an art piece, you know,

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it's, it's, it's great. And you
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to, you know, sign, you know,
these, these jackets, and sell

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them for a premium. And then
that consumer can either put it

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up on their wall as an art
piece, or they can keep it in

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their vinyl collection. You
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it, and it's, it's always plus
the fact that it sounds

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unbelievable, if you've got
really, the fidelity on them are

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just unmatched, even when it's a
modern recording that recorded

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the Pro Tools and then transfer,
oh yeah, you know, even so

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there's been, there has been
situations where the only format

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that I have to put on, you know,
vinyl is a digital format, just

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because the tapes are lost or
whatever. And even then, even

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with a little bit mastering job,
you know, it's still going to

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sound a heck of a lot better
than it would digitally. Yeah,

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interesting. Well, I mean, it's
even my kids are getting into

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it. They all. They both, like,
Cami and Spencer have record

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players, and they listen to
vinyl. Yeah, you know, there's

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those really cute little
affordable ones that they have

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Urban Outfitters, yeah, the $99
Crosley specials or whatever.

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Yes, because, and they'll have
them in, like, these little

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hipster hotels in Austin and
stuff. I have the Audio

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Technica. I forget the model
number, but it's, like, very

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popular. Is that pretty good, or
do I've got, I've got one just

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like that too. You know, the
$300 Audio The thing with the

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tubes? No, I don't get to that
point, you know, I got good Bose

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sound system, like Mark Marin's
like, I got the one with the

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Yeah, I mean, you know, it's,
it's, it's all those audio

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files. It's, it's all went on
their taste is, but you know, if

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you get a good turntable and a
good needle and good speakers,

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that's all you really need.
Yeah, I do want to get back into

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it, because it does sound like a
fun evening to, like, light a

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candle, pour a glass of red
wine, and then you're like,

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tonight's Blue Note night. And
you just all your Blue Note

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recordings. Tonight's, you know,
tonight's my, you know, Detroit,

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like we'll do all the Detroit
artists dropped a needle, and

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you're reading the credits, and
it just sounds like a fun time.

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Well, even then, meet me as a,
you know, audio technical nerd,

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you know, I love also comparing
the old masters of the original

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pressing compared to the modern,
you know, 2023 or 2024 masters

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that they've done. And, yeah,
just hearing the difference in

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the mix, and you know how it
kind of conveys, it's just,

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there's so many different
outlets, you know that, and

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parts of that vinyl collecting
thing, you know that is just,

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it's just amazing, yeah, so

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tell us about Ted, because
that's the elephant in The room.

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What are the qualifications for
working with this guy? Well, you

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know, he is a pretty smooth,
yeah. I mean, I he's, he's one

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of the best artists I've ever
worked with. I mean, he's just

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super easy to get along with,
you know, he treats my family

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like family, you know, one of
the nicest human beings in the

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world, awesome, you know? And
then you had the fact that he's

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one of the greatest guitar
players to ever walk to face the

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Earth. It's just amazing. You
know, nine years that I've had

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with him, you know, we did our
last long tour last year. You

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know, he's not retired. We're
doing two shows this year, you

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know. So things will pop up here
and there. But, you know, he's

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76 still in the shape, oh my
God, but he's in the shape of a

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50 year old, and he's playing
better than ever, you know. And

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what's great about that gig is,
you know, it's always keeps you

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on your toes. You know, he'll
pull out songs that we haven't

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done in two years. So there's a
kind of, yeah, there's a set

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list kind of, but, you know,
songs will randomly show up, or

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we'll be walking on stage, and
he's like, alright, we're doing

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this tonight. I'm like, I've
never heard this song in my

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life. Watch me. Yeah, exactly,
you know. And it's, it's, it's

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great. And you know, his we had,
you know, we've always run a

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three piece since I've been in
the band. And you know that just

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that old school, 60s, 70s, just
power trio rock stuff is just

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amazing. And what's great about
it, it's, it's all a lot of

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jamming going on, so Van Halen
style, so when he goes to do a

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guitar solo, the chord changes,
no one is marking the chord

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changes, except for bass
Exactly. Wow. Yeah, it's great,

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you know? And it has a lot like
when he first called me on the

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gig, he's like, I want a
drummer. That's a mix of John

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Bonham meets Stuart Copeland
meets Johnny bonange meets Keith

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Moon and Johnny Bonanza, the
drummer of the Detroit wheels

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and the rockets, iconic Detroit
drummer, another one, just, you

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know, icon, shame on you rich.
Okay, no, we got to check this

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out. But which is, which is, you
know, Ted's all time, you know,

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the Mitch ride in Detroit wheels
is just the pinnacle of what.

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And did Ted looks at music as,
yes,

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you know, but it's it. I was
like, Yeah, I can, I can do all

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that nice. And it's just been
such a fun, you know, nine years

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and, you know, yeah, great hire
by Damn Yankees. No, we, the

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only Damn Yankees we ever do is
we'll do, like, a small snippet

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of, you know, Don't tread on me,
but everything else is just all

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Ted's catalog. And, you know,
because some of these songs are,

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they're just too iconic that you
can't cut them from the set.

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There's a million songs that you
want to always add, but, you

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know, strangle holds nine
minutes as it is, yeah? You

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know, you're doing an hour and a
half set. Great. One guys do

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90s, yeah, 90 minutes, yeah.
Usually we even want more. You

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know exactly. That's the Country
Music model is we do not it's

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like when I, when I think about,
like, Springsteen, you know,

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doing like, four hours, that's
too much. I gotta pee. Man,

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exactly.

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I gotta pee right now. Look at
all my liquids, guys. If you

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guys are watching this, my
friend Bobby Mertz got this for

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me. That's what I do. I play
drums. It's my nice coffee mug.

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I got my Michael Buble, and I
got some, like, cold water.

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Michael Buble, yeah, let me I'm
gonna get that on camera here,

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real quick. Hold on. What's that
I got? I got a drink cam, let me

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zoom in. Oh yeah, Jones, that's
what I do. I play drums,

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nutrition facts. It says talent,
100%

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skill, 500% passion, 100%
creativity, 300%

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caffeine, 110%

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Thanks, Bobby. Bobby Murray
Scott got this for me. So we're

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kind of just jumping around all
all, all over the place today,

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which is kind of we do that. But
I'm just so excited to be around

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your your young energy. And I
think it's just, I mean, I have

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youthful energy. You totally do
rich, but I'm probably the

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oldest guy in the room.

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Now we've Tommy clefetus moved
to town, yeah? So Tommy played

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in with Mitch rider, right?
Yeah, yeah. So Tommy was

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actually my drum teacher, and,
yeah, why he was playing for

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Ted? Actually, I was like, 10
years old, or something like

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that, and taught me for a while.
And, but, yeah, his his dad is

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a, was a big, you know, band
leader, and every time I played

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with Mitch Ryder, his dad is who
hired me on the gig. So you guys

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have, I might call it nepotism,
but, but it is your dad, your

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second generation musicians. I
mean, it's just like in the

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blood. So Tommy did a cool
little clinic over at forks drum

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closet, and he's become, like,
good friends with Greg Morrow.

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And, like, I went and we, we
hugged it out, and he's like,

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Yeah, I want to do the podcast.
But it's so funny because I

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remember my one of my first
marquee jobs. I was 29 I was

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playing with a gal named Pam
Tillis. She was the daughter of

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mama Mel Tillis. And we, I was
in a elevator, getting into an

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elevator with my Pam Tillis band
in Los Angeles, and coming off

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the elevator was Tommy clefes
and the Ted Nugent band. And I

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said, What's it like working
with Ted? He's like, it's

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wonderful guy, man. He's only
one of they broke the mold. No,

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yeah, oh, yeah. So that's cool.
And I got to see you guys at the

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Saban theater Beverly Hills. You
killed it. We hadn't met at that

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point. But I was like, look at
that kid. I told my friend of

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00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:04,380
mine. I was like, I was like, I
think he's like, 24 years old or

416
00:23:04,380 --> 00:23:06,840
so. He's like, what? He's
killing it. He's playing like a

417
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,320
44 year old. Man, great job,
man. I appreciate it. And you

418
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,440
guys, it's a lot of it has been
documented. You have some DVDs,

419
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,680
couple albums? Yeah, I've done
two records with Ted, and we

420
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,980
shot a DVD. Think 2017 what's
the recording process? Does he

421
00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:22,760
does he record in Detroit live,
like everybody on the floor at

422
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,160
the same time? Yeah. I mean, we
did one record down in Waco,

423
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,360
Texas, and then the last record
Detroit muscle we, you know, we

424
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:32,720
did the entire record in like
three days. But it was learning

425
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,140
the record, playing the record
first or second take. We did it

426
00:23:36,140 --> 00:23:39,260
in his barn in Michigan. We
brought all this vintage Neve

427
00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:42,400
stuff in. So it was, it was
awesome, you know, just super

428
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,360
old school, organic, you know,
stuff you can't most people

429
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,660
don't do nowadays. Honestly,
does he count off the songs

430
00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:52,240
live, or do you because I don't
even see our tempo reference?

431
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760
Oh, he does 100% I never, I
don't see a rhythm watch or

432
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,860
anything. No. I mean, there's,
there's, you know, depending on

433
00:23:56,860 --> 00:23:59,140
how he's feeling the night those
there's times where we've played

434
00:23:59,140 --> 00:24:02,400
stuff super fast. And there's
times we've done stuff super

435
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,640
slow. Just depends on what his
mood is that night. Again,

436
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,400
that's what I love about it's
that old school organic. You

437
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,340
know, I've, we've all done gigs
where we're on clicks and

438
00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:15,480
backing tracks and loops and
stuff which there's no budging,

439
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,480
which is great, yeah, I mean,
but at the end of the day, it's,

440
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,580
it's, it's, brings that,
musician, organic quality, back

441
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:26,600
to it when you're just going for
it. Yeah, and you got to work

442
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,540
over the years, in addition to
touring and recording with Ted,

443
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,000
as I mentioned, Joe Lynn Turner,
Mitch Ryder, uh,

444
00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:36,620
toured as support act with
Motley Crue Godsmack, theory of

445
00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:39,500
a dead man Drowning Pool. So
these are it was this all with

446
00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:43,720
Ted and those? No, no. So I did
the Motley Crew crew fest two

447
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,040
tour, which had most of those
guys on it. I was 14, playing

448
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,420
with Brian tram, who kind of
started my touring career. He

449
00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:55,240
was with Uncle cracker for a
while, and then kind of branched

450
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,920
on his own. So I was with him to
when I was 12 to about 15, six.

451
00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:03,540
Team. And, you know, he really
gave me my my start, and you

452
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:07,140
know, that whole kind of boosted
my career. And, you know, in a

453
00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:10,560
sense, and yeah, we did the
whole three months with Motley

454
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,680
Crue and God smack and therapy.
Dead Man was It was wild. You

455
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:20,220
must, you really must have had
great parents mentors, because

456
00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:24,380
to be on the road at 14, like
you're this pubescent guy,

457
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,480
right? And it's like you're
surrounded by

458
00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:32,780
topless women throwing bras on
stage, and it's booze backstage,

459
00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:38,060
and it's like you're a good kid.
Well, you know, I, honestly, I

460
00:25:38,060 --> 00:25:41,140
didn't even touch a drop of
alcohol until I was 21 I've been

461
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:44,980
around it for my whole life.
Yeah. And, you know, my, my dad

462
00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:47,980
would always be on the road with
me, because his, but his, you

463
00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:50,440
know, experience in the
industry, he would be the tour

464
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,680
manager. So it's like, Why hire
a tour manager when he's already

465
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,440
gonna be there anyways, yeah,
you know. So my dad was always

466
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,240
there. And it was, it was, it
was a great, you know,

467
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,260
experience for us to tour, you
know, backwards and forwards of

468
00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:05,040
this country a million times.
Yeah, you know what? Yeah. I

469
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,640
mean, I've seen a lot of things
in my in my day, but, you know

470
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,380
it's, I'm happy I came out,

471
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,400
like, on the positive side. Now,
you're definitely, man, there's,

472
00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:17,880
that's a lot of lot of
discipline there, looking at

473
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,480
some other things. He worked
with producers, like, hey, we

474
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,540
both worked with Dale Penner.
Oh, really, yeah. Dale was

475
00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:27,260
producing, like an Americana
artist here in Nashville, and he

476
00:26:27,260 --> 00:26:30,080
wanted me to the artist
requested me to play drums, and

477
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,900
he goes, you got a great room. I
want to use a lot of great

478
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,360
outboard gear. So, my friend, I
don't know if you met Tony Mora

479
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:38,900
yet, but Anthony Mora's good.
You know, New York guy's been

480
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,980
here for forever and ever. We're
dear friends, but he was one of

481
00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:44,980
the first guys in Nashville to
create the float the floors,

482
00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:48,220
take his garage, do the thing.
He's got, like, enough outboard

483
00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:52,900
gear to, like, you know, to run
the power station and and, and

484
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,480
so we went into his place and
knocked out these tracks and got

485
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,940
to, you know, hang out for a day
or two at Dale and go eat sushi

486
00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:00,280
and stuff. Nice guy. Oh, it's
great. Yeah, I worked with him

487
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:00,400
2007

488
00:27:01,540 --> 00:27:04,440
up in Winnipeg, Canada, yeah,
with this artist I was talking

489
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,680
about. And yeah, we were in this
big, giant mansion in Winnipeg,

490
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,740
Canada, and October, and, you
know, for a few days cutting

491
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:13,200
some tracks. It was awesome.
Yeah, Dale's, I keep in touch

492
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,780
with him often. I love that
great guy. He also worked with

493
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,160
guys like Tom Morris, Chuck
alcazian, nice. Yeah, I've been

494
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,500
very fortunate to, you know,
because I've always tried to

495
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:27,980
brand myself as just the one
stop shop guy, you know, I've

496
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,400
been a big session guy, I've
been a touring guy, you know, I

497
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,700
just just being able to just say
yes, when somebody comes at you,

498
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,920
do you like doing some teaching?
Do you kind of have, like, a

499
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,240
teaching philosophy? Will you do
to somebody says, Hey, can I

500
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,500
take a lesson? Yeah, I mean, I
back in Detroit. I was, you

501
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,440
know, a teacher at one of the
School of rocks there for almost

502
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,980
10 years. You know, it's a
great, great program, great

503
00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:55,600
teachers. You know, it was just
a fun time to kind of step back.

504
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,600
And I started teaching there was
18, so I wasn't that much older

505
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,300
than some of my students. And,
yeah, you know, it kind of

506
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:06,720
because I really didn't start
taking one on one lessons until

507
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,300
I was already in high school,
you know, and done, you know, a

508
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:12,900
bunch of stuff. And, you know,
my teacher, guy named George

509
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:16,440
Dunn in Detroit. He just old
school, you know, Greg bisnet

510
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:19,380
and him go way back. Wow. So, so
here's your rudiments, kid,

511
00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:22,580
here's your swing beat, here's
your very, very old school,

512
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:25,880
like, started me from square
one, you know. And took me from

513
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,960
being a rock drummer to being a
more resonant drummer, you know.

514
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,960
And he also was my drum line
teacher in in high school, in

515
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:36,320
high school, so I had kind of
the combination of the both. And

516
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,960
you know how I can take these,
you know, marching rudiments and

517
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,320
incorporate them on the kit,
and, things of that nature. And

518
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,140
he just completely changed my
playing. And, you know, I'm

519
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:47,620
forever grateful for that. But,
you know, coming from that

520
00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:52,960
aspect of being the the student
to the teacher was just a big,

521
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,320
you know, kind of Swift and and,
you know, kind of my old outlook

522
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,980
and how I even approach what I
do for a living, yeah, you know,

523
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,480
like hell Leonard had done, you
know, I've done a DVD for them

524
00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:07,620
learn to rock drums with Jason
Hartless and friends. 2011 which

525
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:08,280
means you were, I

526
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:12,900
was still in high school, and
came out, 716, 17, something

527
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:16,380
like that. Cool man. And you
know, it was fun doing clinics,

528
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:19,140
you know, around guitar centers
and stuff like that. And, you

529
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:22,160
know, it was a great experience.
But, you know, again, like

530
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,940
coming from that aspect of
changing your whole mindset, of

531
00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:29,240
just being a player and moving
to be okay, how can I help the

532
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,300
next generation? How can I take
everything that I've done in my

533
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:36,380
career and, you know, help
elevate those kids and get that,

534
00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:39,860
you know, those those mentor
moments that I got when I was a

535
00:29:39,860 --> 00:29:45,640
kid? Yeah, and it says that you
have been mentored by love.

536
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,860
Corky Lang, man, dude, da da
Das, Eric Singer, we were just

537
00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:54,220
talking off camera a little bit
about Eric Anton Fig, so these

538
00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:56,800
are, it's great you have these
guys. They're homies. You could

539
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,920
like, text them, yeah. I mean
Eric, Eric's honestly.

540
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,400
One of the closest things I have
to an uncle, even though he's

541
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,640
not my uncle, you know, just
been a great, great, you know,

542
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760
friend and mentor over the
years, Corky Lang, like

543
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:13,500
I only did one solo racket in my
life, and it was went between

544
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:18,000
timeout seven and 10. And it was
honestly an excuse for Corky to

545
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,560
come in and produce me through a
recording session. So Corky and

546
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,680
me worked on that, you know, for
a number of years you drive down

547
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,220
to Detroit from Toronto, and you
know, it was just amazing

548
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:32,000
experience. And you know, like,
I learned how to chart music

549
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,300
from Anton Fig. And, you know,
some of these guys had just been

550
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,880
very fortunate to kind of been
around when I was little. And,

551
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:41,980
you know, just really helped
shape, you know, the player I am

552
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,460
amazing. Isn't that fun Jim to
be? You know, when your folks

553
00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:48,460
are in the music business, it's
like, you can adopt their

554
00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:51,160
Rolodex a bit, and you're
exposed to, like, great things.

555
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,980
It's like Larry aberman, our
friend, Larry, you know, growing

556
00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:56,980
up in, like, New York, it's like
people that grow up in a New

557
00:30:56,980 --> 00:31:00,160
Yorker, and I look at Josh
Freese, I mean, he was destined

558
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,860
to be, you know, connected. He's
born on Christmas Day. His dad

559
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:09,420
ran the music program at
Disneyland. Of course you're

560
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:12,180
gonna, you know what I mean,
it's like, it's in your blood.

561
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:16,380
Man, that is so cool. I was
like, my parents are or

562
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,320
accountants and nurses, and we
have no connection to the music

563
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,340
industry. So I just had to,
like, kick and claw and scratch

564
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:25,100
and, like, who plays music,
right? Exactly, you know what? I

565
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:27,560
mean, it's so cool. That's a
cool thing. But you made it

566
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,920
work. We all, I made it work.
Yeah, from the sweat of my brow,

567
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,820
just a little bit I'm fixing
here, but I think you're gonna

568
00:31:34,820 --> 00:31:37,760
have a great time in Nashville.
And probably the next thing for

569
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,040
you is, I mean, you're, you're
probably gonna get super

570
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,400
connected. I mean, playing on
big records that we hear on

571
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,660
Music Row. And then you could
either start ground level with

572
00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:50,020
some, you know, cool singer
songwriter, Americana girl that

573
00:31:50,020 --> 00:31:52,540
just grows up and is the next
Miranda Lambert, or you're just

574
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:54,820
gonna get connected at the
highest level. And, you know,

575
00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:58,360
you be getting that that check
for showing up for those 30

576
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,140
shows. I mean, this the world's
your oyster. Because, I mean, I

577
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:03,600
feel like this is one of the
last cities for the music

578
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,500
business. You know,

579
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,980
do I want to live in Nashville
the rest of my life? I don't

580
00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:10,260
know. But it's like, this is
where the industry is. Yeah,

581
00:32:10,260 --> 00:32:13,980
exactly. I mean, everyone LA is
moving here, yeah, New York, you

582
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:16,500
know, is turning more and more,
just straight up Broadway

583
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,620
musicals, you know. So it's
everyone's coming right here.

584
00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:22,880
You know, whatever last resort
that we have still left of the

585
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,240
music industry is all right
here, yeah, you heard it here,

586
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,480
guys, what do you think the next
step for the music industry is,

587
00:32:29,540 --> 00:32:32,660
you know, it's, it's a, it's a
really tough thing. And I think

588
00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:35,360
about this a lot. You know,
with, you know, we're even

589
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,900
seeing the vinyl market change.
We're seeing, you know, the

590
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:43,480
issues going on with all the
concert promoters and the

591
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,780
streaming services. And I think,
you know, once all that stuff's

592
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,360
rectified a little bit, at the
end of the day, there's going to

593
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,960
be one thing, live music, you're
going to have all the AI stuff

594
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440
going on for recorded music.
Yeah, it's going to put us hired

595
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,320
musicians out of work. But at
the end of the day, you're still

596
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,820
going to have live music, yeah.
So, you know, I think once

597
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:05,760
everything like that gets kind
of propelled and, you know,

598
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,220
moved into a the position it was
even pre covid, and the cost of

599
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:13,620
touring goes way down, you're
going to see everyone kind of go

600
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:16,080
right back to it, yeah, you
know. And there's going to be

601
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,380
that built up energy that people
are lacking, you know, you've

602
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:22,580
got YouTube, and you've got all
these things that you can watch

603
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:25,280
all these concerts and stuff,
but there's nothing that'll ever

604
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,360
replace that experience. Yeah,
man, you know, I would tread,

605
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,420
you know, our pal, Trevor
Lawrence. He was, you know, two

606
00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:35,600
years ago at SoFi stadium. He
was, he was the drummer at the

607
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,440
Super Bowl, backing up Jay Z and
everybody. And he did a clinic

608
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,660
at forks, and he was talking
about AI, I guess there's a site

609
00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:48,760
called udio, right? It's udio.
And you can basically use udio

610
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,540
to, like, compose just about
anything. And then, apparently,

611
00:33:52,540 --> 00:33:56,980
if you take whatever comes from
your AI prompts, and you dump it

612
00:33:56,980 --> 00:34:01,020
into Moises, and you separate
all the stems, and then you get,

613
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,800
you get certain people to
replace, it's license free.

614
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,960
You've created something that
you could monetize, right? This

615
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,720
is scary. Well, I think it also
goes back to what's happened

616
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:13,260
with

617
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:16,500
who's it? I think it's Scarlett
Johansson. Is

618
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,900
it or is it somebody else? One
of the big actresses are suing

619
00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:24,800
the AG, companies for using her
likeness, basically from her

620
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,320
voice, you know. And I think
that's what we're going to start

621
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,040
seeing with music too, you know,
we're going to see more of these

622
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,100
artists. They're going to start
suing for their intellectual

623
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:38,480
property, their likeness, their
their sound, you know. And you

624
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,800
know, if you can even to the
point to where it's like, Okay,

625
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:44,920
I'm gonna type in a computer
sound like the Beatles, and it

626
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,000
sounds exactly like the Beatles.
Is it really copyright

627
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,480
infringement? It? I think it
should be, if it sounds exactly

628
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,320
like it. You know, because how
do they create? Like, how is AI

629
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,920
generate? Because our friend
Larry, I mentioned we.

630
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Going to lunch the to breakfast
the other day, and he basically

631
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,300
typed into AI write a song about
rich and Larry getting breakfast

632
00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:16,140
that sounds like a 1960s three
chord country. And it came back.

633
00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:20,540
It was, Don't bom, bom, Bing,
don't Larry and rich. I was

634
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:23,660
like, what it sounded exactly
like. Hank Williams, have you

635
00:35:23,660 --> 00:35:27,200
heard the one where they do the,
just write a country song, no.

636
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,220
And it's like, you know, guns up
your butt and boots in the hood

637
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:35,720
and yes, so beer in your truck.
And, you know, it's like trucks

638
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,360
and guns and mud and mud

639
00:35:40,220 --> 00:35:41,020
and butts.

640
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,860
But at the same time, if you
know you, if you know how to

641
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:49,540
clearly prompt the technology,
you can write books. You can

642
00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:53,860
compose songs. And the the AI
country pop songs are like,

643
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,920
dang, yeah. I mean, it's pretty
good. But even then, I mean,

644
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,860
there's the whole issue going on
with Steve Marriott with from

645
00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:03,360
Humble Pie, apparently there's
unreleased stuff, and they're

646
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,320
trying to use AI to finish his
vocal tracks. Oh my. I mean,

647
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,140
he's been dead for 2025, years,
or whatever. And it's like,

648
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:13,860
that's not real. And there's
something with Randy Travis

649
00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:18,960
recently, where he released an
AI song, and there was, like,

650
00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:22,760
5050, on both sides. I like
this. What is this? Well, it's

651
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:28,940
like, you know, I might be 29
and in this current generation,

652
00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:33,920
but I'm the mold of the 70s and
80s studio guys. No one's ever

653
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,340
gonna replace Jeff Picardo, no
one's ever gonna replace Vinnie

654
00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:40,100
caluda, no one's ever gonna
replace Steve Gadd and Jim

655
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:43,660
Keltner and all those guys that
played on every freaking record

656
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,480
that came out of LA in the 60s
and 70s and 80s. And it's like,

657
00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:52,900
that's the human quality that I
don't think a computer will ever

658
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:55,720
fix. You know, yeah, they might
have these technology that make

659
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,720
it sound like it and all this
stuff, but at the end of the

660
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:02,880
day, there's a human, human
quality to that sort of stuff

661
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,680
that I really don't think the
consumers will ever fully grasp.

662
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:11,280
Yeah, you know, remember the LIN
drum machine exactly? I mean,

663
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,100
that was like, we're out of
business. That was 45 years ago,

664
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,880
and we're still, you and I are
live drummers, exactly. And the

665
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,300
LIN drum machine, you know, who
were the guys that they called

666
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:24,560
in to program the linen drum
machine. Garibaldi, Jeff

667
00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:26,840
Keltner, you know, all these
guys were the ones that were

668
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,480
programming all the records.
Lynn drums were the first

669
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,360
electric it was like a beautiful
Roger Lynn created this

670
00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:35,300
gorgeous. It was about this big,
and it had wood panel on it,

671
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,700
wood paneling like everything
else, yeah,

672
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,740
like it was all the prince
sounds too. It's like a station

673
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:45,040
wagon from Chevy Chase. You
know, the Christmas the family

674
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,640
truckster, yeah, drum machines.
But had beautiful sounds. And

675
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,700
like, for example, Tina Turner,
what's love got to do with it?

676
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:52,480
Boom, boom,

677
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,520
boom, those are the Lynn sounds,
yeah. I mean, the LIN two is all

678
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,300
of the prince sounds, yeah, you
know. So it's like we look back

679
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:04,140
now, and as the iconic Prince
drum sound, it was just a Lin

680
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:06,900
drum machine that everybody had
access to back then, you know,

681
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,380
and at the end of the day, would
have sound differently if a real

682
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:13,500
drummer would have played it,
sure, but it's, again, it was

683
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:17,340
created by a human. It was not,
it was not a computer that

684
00:38:17,340 --> 00:38:21,200
someone typed in create X, Y and
Z, and it pops it out. There was

685
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,020
still a human quality to those
old school drum machines. Yes,

686
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,860
you know, like behringer's
Making copies of the 808 and the

687
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:31,640
909 I encourage people all the
time go buy them and just learn

688
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,700
how to program these drums like
these old school guys, either

689
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:39,320
boxes. Yeah. Do you think that
there's a like, fatigue that

690
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,220
will happen with AI in general?
Because, I mean, one of the

691
00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:46,240
things that even in writing like
an email, I've noticed a pretty

692
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,860
good uptick in just open emails
by saying, written by a real

693
00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:55,300
human being. That's an edge
right now, yeah, you know, we've

694
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:59,560
gone from sent by iPhone to now
written by a human Yeah, you

695
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,900
know, it's, it's crazy, you
know. And I'm horrible, horrible

696
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:08,460
at spelling in English,
honestly. And, you know, I'll be

697
00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:11,520
the first one to admit I've used
AI technologies to help write

698
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,540
emails, you know.

699
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,880
Snap, what is it? Chat? GPT,
yeah, have you used that

700
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,540
original somebody demonstrated
to me. They were like, Hey, I'm

701
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,880
they were like, check out these
parameters. You tell it one. It

702
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,120
was an African American
gentleman that was like, telling

703
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,880
me about he goes, look at I can
make this. I can make it sound

704
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,980
colloquial, yeah, basically like
it like he said, There was two

705
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:40,900
versions of the same way of
communicating the same thoughts,

706
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,080
and it was from his prompts, and
he goes, Look at this. I was

707
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,320
like, Oh, my God, it's so
convincing. Yeah, I mean, it's

708
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,380
crazy in you know? Yeah, we're
seeing now, especially on

709
00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:54,880
YouTube, all of these crazy I
mean, I've had some people that

710
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,700
have sent me these videos, and
they're deadly convinced, and

711
00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:59,740
I've had to tell them, No,
that's AI. I.

712
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,440
Yeah, oh no, no, it's not. Yeah,
it is, you know, it's really,

713
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,200
and it's, it's disturbing, it's
so scary, and at the end of the

714
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,140
day, what is it going to do?
It's going to put us musicians

715
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:13,380
out of work, you know? But I
mean, even to the point like,

716
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:16,200
you know, every music got so
regimented that everything had

717
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,740
to be so lined up with the grid,
right? They can't have and have

718
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:23,420
any flams, nothing. But if you
go back to listen to the 70s,

719
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:27,800
your 80s, tons of lambs, tons of
flams, and, you know, tempo

720
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,980
vacillations, variations, you
know, absolutely. I mean,

721
00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:33,260
obviously they're, they're
working on tape, and they'll do

722
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:35,780
a different take, and it'll be a
different tempo. I love when you

723
00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:39,620
hear that cutting it, it slows
down to bpm, you know, it's, it

724
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:43,780
adds that cool quality to it,
you know? And it's, it's, it's

725
00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:46,960
just such a interesting time
that we're in right now.

726
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,020
Obviously, we've all been saying
that about the music industry

727
00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:52,900
for the last 60 years, because
more and more stuff changes, and

728
00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:58,240
as long as there's humans
involved in music, Yeah, we're

729
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,200
good. It's gonna change. But
it's, it's changing every single

730
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,440
day. You know, I did remember
the age of mashups. I still kind

731
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,800
of do them for to a certain
extent. We carried a radio show

732
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,920
that did nothing but mashups,
and it was just he played as

733
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,800
mashups, you know, different
songs and stuff like that. And I

734
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,760
did a mash up of Van Hill and
Mean Streets with a rap song at

735
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,740
the time. It's on YouTube. You
can actually find it.

736
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:25,220
And when I was putting it on my
editor, their song, the rap

737
00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:29,480
song, was perfectly right on the
grid, but Alex was all over the

738
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,920
flippin map. I kept on having to
stretch and crunch and do all

739
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,520
sorts interesting beat match. I
love the Mashups that happen.

740
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,480
You know, put a Black Sabbath
tune with James Brown vocals.

741
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,120
It's, it's killer, you know,
it's cool. It's it, that's

742
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,540
creativity, because that person
still had to do it, yeah, you

743
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:50,440
know. But again, at the end of
the day, I always revert back to

744
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,520
the 70s and 80s studio
musicians. You know, these guys

745
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,600
and gals would be perfectly
aligned if there was a click,

746
00:41:58,660 --> 00:42:01,440
but there was no click, you
know. But even if there wasn't a

747
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,380
feel, yeah, he did it by field,
even if there was a lope within

748
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:08,520
the tune that played a big part
of that tune, you're such a

749
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,300
young person to understand that
and to be able to to embrace

750
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:15,240
that at the highest levels and
be able to execute that as well.

751
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:19,020
But you know, you bring up this
idea of Alex Jim, thank you.

752
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,480
This is a hot topic, because
Alex, did you bid on any of his

753
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,140
stuff? Is not going to play
drums again. He is cleaning out

754
00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:30,740
his closet. He and he's making
mad money. What you think about

755
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:33,920
it? He's only charity. Oh, it
is, no, I thought he was

756
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,500
walking. He only played with his
brother, you know. So it's, it

757
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:40,900
makes sense. I he was, they were
selling a a pearl mahogany

758
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:44,140
sensitone snare drum, and that,
apparently, was shipped to them.

759
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:46,420
I was like, oh, you know, maybe,
maybe I'll bid on it, and yeah,

760
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,960
and I didn't. But, you know,
it's, it's, it's crazy, because,

761
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,800
again, you look back at, you
know, those, those late 80s van

762
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,580
Hagar records, and you know
they're there. I've been in a

763
00:42:57,580 --> 00:43:01,020
big van Hagar mood recently, and
just going back and listen to

764
00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:04,440
all of them, and, you know, the
Simmons, the Simmons stuff, even

765
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,520
then, it was still human. It was
still Alex Van Halen, no matter

766
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,640
if it was all the Simmons
samples or it was his, you know,

767
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,420
Ludwig drums, it still was him.
And that snare sound exactly,

768
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:18,960
break out the duct tape. What's
the thing is, is like, I just, I

769
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,460
seen a video because Hagar and
Jason Bonham and

770
00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:27,260
Michael, Anthony, yeah,
Satriani, yeah, they're doing

771
00:43:27,260 --> 00:43:29,360
that. They're doing that tour
where they're just doing Van

772
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,900
Halen stuff. And I heard, you
know, Jason Bonham, and I heard

773
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:35,720
that snare sound. I'm like, oh,
that's an Alex Van Halen snare

774
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,060
sound. Then I thought about,
wait a minute, no, that's a John

775
00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:41,740
Bonham snare sound that Alex Van
Halen took and made it his own,

776
00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:45,460
you know. So it's, it's because
Alex had a very specific with

777
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:49,660
the tape and the direction he
did underneath the head under,

778
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,420
you know, exactly. It was a very
but, I mean, it was also the

779
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:55,360
processing, you know, that that
went into it too. Because my

780
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,800
brother was a huge, you know,
1984 was a big defining album

781
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,000
for him. He's a piano keyboard
player, and he told me, he says,

782
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,140
nobody's ever been able to
duplicate the brass, the sound

783
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:10,200
of the brass on all weight, and
some of the other songs on that,

784
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,660
that album. Well, again, it goes
back to these, these musicians

785
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:18,540
back then. Yeah, people can
never replicate it. You know,

786
00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:23,480
I've been studying Rosanna for
15 years, I will never get

787
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,300
close. No one will ever get
close. You know, there's those

788
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:29,480
little intricacies that these
that these players put into

789
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,300
their playing that just will
never be replicated. Yeah, you

790
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:36,380
know, I can put a drum beat into
90 different drum machines and

791
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:39,980
it'll sound the exact same with
different samples, whereas us as

792
00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:43,540
humans, us as musicians, just it
can't be replicated within that

793
00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:47,080
person. Yeah, you know, I know
when I can play a Jason Aldean

794
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,080
song, I can try to play like
rich Redmond, but it'll never

795
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,420
sound like rich Redmond, because
there's only one of us. We're

796
00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:55,360
snowflakes, exactly. And you
know, whatever song I play, it's

797
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,940
just going to be sloppy as crap,
no, but it's, it's very

798
00:44:57,940 --> 00:44:59,920
intentional. There's a lot of
heart. I.

799
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,120
Um,

800
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:03,540
you know, it's, it screams
Connecticut. We're both from

801
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:06,720
Connecticut. If it's
Connecticut, it's sloppy, okay,

802
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,080
you know, you know, what was I
gonna say? We're, you know what?

803
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,400
There's one style that I that is
all the rage where, you know,

804
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,740
there's some guys that are just
masters of it, like Trevor, my

805
00:45:16,740 --> 00:45:19,200
friend, Trevor Lawrence, is
really good at it. Da Rue is

806
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,840
really good at it. Where you can
sound like that, that almost

807
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,720
like drunk, where it's like the
kick and snare is on, but the

808
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,260
hat and they're and they're
quantized, but the hat is not

809
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,220
like a dilla kind of a thing.
I've been working my whole life

810
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:36,980
to try to be as tight as
possible with the click. So to

811
00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:40,420
do that, I I just have such a
hard time. Yeah. I mean, it's,

812
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:43,660
it's, it has its purpose in in
the music that it's used for,

813
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,420
you know, I personally am not a
fan of that, that style, but I

814
00:45:46,420 --> 00:45:49,900
can't do it, you know, it's,
it's it is very, very unique to,

815
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,900
you know, that genre that they
use it for. And there's so many,

816
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:56,140
so many players these days that
are trying to do that, versus

817
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:57,640
try to learn a groove, yeah,

818
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,020
like the Italian guy who's
blowing up on Tiktok. Oh, that

819
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:07,980
kid. That kid is crazy, yeah,
but he's like, he, what did he

820
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:12,300
do? He did rush Tom Sawyer. And
every all the purists are like,

821
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:16,740
dude, just don't. Just stop,
don't. Did he have the multi

822
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:19,980
service Tom? No, he just
basically had, I think he just

823
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:23,840
plays like a floor tom a snare
and a kick, anybody. But he's

824
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,180
like, he's like, doing, you
know, with one hand, you know,

825
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:29,000
and he's just one of these guys
who's, as you would say, a

826
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:29,600
circus drummer,

827
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,180
come over here with his posse
and just, just go after me,

828
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,240
because he could be in the
mafia, but who knows. But no, I

829
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,260
mean, he's got some things where
he's got, like, a glass of wine

830
00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:44,380
on a snare drum. And he's like,
have you seen this guy? Yeah, I

831
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:47,920
mean, there's, you know, we're
in the land of tick tock and

832
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,640
YouTube drummers, you know, it's
great, you know, they, they, a

833
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,760
lot of, some of them have gone
on to, you know, get gigs, and

834
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,940
some of them are just there for
their social media.

835
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,740
He can monetize the social
media, with, with, with, like

836
00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:05,280
shirts and hoodies, and they do,
and he'll probably, he'll

837
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,300
probably get be one of these
rare guys that is actually paid

838
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:12,600
to play a musical brand like the
old Carmine aposy days, where

839
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,020
it's like, exactly here's your
salary to pay Slingerland drums

840
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:18,240
for the year, kind of a thing,
right? Because that disappeared

841
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:23,540
a long time ago. But is he going
to do in person clinics, and is

842
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:27,440
he going to play music with
other people? Yeah. I mean, I

843
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,560
think, I mean, really, the only
example that we see is grace and

844
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,740
recruitment nowadays, and, oh,
you know, he's playing with all

845
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:36,380
these different artists. And,
you know, I remember, you know,

846
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:39,200
Artist Relations at Pearl, you
know, signing him, really,

847
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,160
before he even broke on on the
internet. And he's kind of like,

848
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,860
you got to see this kid. Have
you seen him? He's great. No.

849
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:48,400
He's actually a wonderful
musician who, I think he kind of

850
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,860
burst on the scene by doing tons
of like, Buddy Rich covers. And

851
00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:54,340
he's got all this, you know, the
combo stick stick, and he's well

852
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:56,860
versed. But next thing you know,
he's playing with suicidal

853
00:47:56,860 --> 00:48:00,600
tendencies. Yep, exactly like
Gus got that whole thing,

854
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:05,520
Wackerman Brooks. Wackerman,
same kind of exactly even,

855
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,780
oh, man, who's the other guy I
just had in my head? Old Man

856
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:12,960
Marine, never mind, yeah, but
Grayson, yeah. I mean, he's,

857
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,540
he's one of the rare exceptions
that has kind of been able to

858
00:48:15,540 --> 00:48:19,560
break that mold, you know. And I
think it's, it's, it's, in a

859
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,820
way, kind of hindered our
industry, because, you know, us

860
00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:25,400
that don't really do the social
media thing. We've kind of now

861
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,040
been forced do the social media
thing. You have to, you know,

862
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,560
you got to do, like coverage
exactly. You have a presence,

863
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,740
but you don't go crazy, right?
Exactly, you know, I throw out a

864
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:38,060
couple videos here and there,
you know? But it's, it's not my,

865
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:41,380
my life, you know, I like being
a studio musician, yeah, I'd

866
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:44,500
rather people not see my face
and be the guy that's on the

867
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:48,640
record. Yeah, you know, and
doing the live gig and things

868
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,280
like that. Use the face while
you have but you're smart enough

869
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,760
to, like, put a GoPro up and you
got some great angles on your

870
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,060
kit with Ted. I've never tried
that angle right in front of,

871
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:01,980
like, between the crash symbol
and the hi hats. I was like, Oh,

872
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:04,140
I don't want people to see if,
like, I got, like, a little

873
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,660
belly or something, but you know
what I mean, but that's why I

874
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:09,480
don't put it on the side. You're
just like, dude. I mean, just

875
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,500
crushing it and companies, we're
both sapien guys, right? Yep.

876
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:18,900
Great symbols. Remo, yep. Remo.
Chris tanky, art and Primark,

877
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:23,180
Vader. So I got, I got signed by
Vader and Pearl, the same exact

878
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:26,660
week. 2005 do they have a Darth
model?

879
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:31,880
They should? They? Should they
Darth? Vader, Darth Maul, sorry,

880
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:35,900
no, it's great. But yeah, I mean
it. You know, I've been with

881
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:40,040
Sabian, played Sabian my whole
life. I left. I never was

882
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,200
endorsed by saving when I was a
kid. And I, you know, I used

883
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,720
dream symbols for a number of
years, and they were great to

884
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,380
me. Can a small Canadian company
put me on the box and, you know,

885
00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:53,800
all that stuff. And then when I
joined Nugent, you know, I

886
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,520
wanted to go back to playing
what I know and grew up with,

887
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,920
and beyond, you know, and just
the best symbols.

888
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,520
Which, of course, what are your
I've been there since 2000

889
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:07,860
What are your go tos like, I'm
a, I'm a 1516, inch hat. Guys,

890
00:50:07,860 --> 00:50:12,840
20 inch crashes. How about that?
Chad Smith, it's no longer Chad

891
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,920
Smith, but the Holy China. The
holy China got to be one of the

892
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,160
greatest sounding I love those.
But I actually use the AX

893
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,020
extreme

894
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,580
China, because it has like, this
really wild kind of sizzle to

895
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:32,600
it. Aax, extreme, yeah, 2119 21
I think it's a 19. I used the

896
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,600
Paragon China for years, and
then Chris tanky came to one

897
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,600
gig. He's like, why don't you
try this? Yeah, and I tried. I

898
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,500
was like, that's it. There's my
China. Have you experimented

899
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:44,080
like, you know, with 35 inch
symbols or anything like that?

900
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,640
Talk to Keo Stroud about that.
We're

901
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:49,720
gonna take two gongs and make hi
hats. He's

902
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:55,060
a crazy, you know, thinker. He
was always putting crazy stuff

903
00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:58,180
together, but maybe it's a
thing. Yeah, you know that

904
00:50:58,180 --> 00:51:02,460
Paragon, um, right symbol that
Neil helped. I've used that with

905
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:07,980
Ted for years. It's like, can
slice off a dragon's head, and

906
00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:10,860
that's, and that's and that's
why, whoa, because that ride

907
00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:13,440
symbol is going to cut right
through those, those guitars

908
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,840
that are stupid loud. Because
TED is not the kind of guy

909
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,080
that's like, You're too loud.
It's never going to be he's not

910
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,360
that guy I play, I play in the
cage with Ted, and that's mainly

911
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:28,580
because front of house, but also
he has the headset mic, and

912
00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:31,640
it's, he's right in front of it,
you know. So it, it cuts down on

913
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,940
the symbols, you know. Plus it
the at the end of the day, my

914
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,820
where my riser is, my crash
symbols are right at his ears.

915
00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:42,400
Yeah, so ears, or a wedge, he's
on he's on wedge, but me, the

916
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,460
bass player on ears, just for
protection. I honestly, I hate

917
00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:49,180
playing with a wedge. Yeah, I've
used ears forever, and I hate

918
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:52,060
playing without him, yeah, you
know, because it just, number

919
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:55,360
one, I'm saving my ears, yeah.
And number two, I can just hear

920
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,660
everything so much better and so
much even if it's a horrible

921
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:02,820
mix, I can still hear the inner
sequences that are happening

922
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:05,280
within the guitar player and the
bass player. Yes, it kind of

923
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,920
allows me to add a little bit
more spice to it. I think that's

924
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,740
fine. I think, you know,
musicians in the last 20 years,

925
00:52:10,740 --> 00:52:14,580
I mean, I started using in ears
in 2000 and I think that is

926
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:19,260
where we're seeing this uptick
in just the quality of musicians

927
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:22,340
and how tight they can play is
that we've got these things,

928
00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:25,940
high fidelity things in our
ears. So you can hear the flam

929
00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:29,180
between the 808 loop and your
kick drum. And if you're right

930
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:31,220
with your bass player, it's
like, if you're just playing

931
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:33,920
Madison Square Garden, like Led
Zeppelin with some wedges, and

932
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,560
it's all floating around. Yeah,
it's amazing. They were as tight

933
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,200
as they were, yeah, exactly,
especially considering the

934
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,700
technology, you know, I mean,
even to this day, I get on stage

935
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:45,280
and there's wedges and no
monitor in ears, and I'm like,

936
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,000
How the hell do these guys hear?
Yeah, you know, I have to wear

937
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,320
my the I use 64 audio and they
make the molded earplugs. Yeah,

938
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,560
I have to wear those if I'm
using a wedge, because, if not,

939
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,560
I ain't hearing a single damn
thing. Yep, wow. You know, I

940
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,360
don't feel like blowing my ears
off. No, I always just use the

941
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,040
headphones. Like Jim Riley, I
couldn't do the in ears. No, you

942
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,880
can. You'd get used to it. I
mean, your hair. I mean is hair

943
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,140
is so important. And it's like,
if you wear those headphones,

944
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,840
you know, you then after the
show, you got the big divot in

945
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,400
your mohawk. Look at me. Do you
think I'm, you know, I'm not

946
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,860
exactly a chick magnet anymore,
man. You know, to a certain

947
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:28,520
extent I am. Well, you know,
even then in the studio, like I

948
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,520
love using in ears in the
studio, I hate the CANS because

949
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,640
it just it number one, that
helps isolate everything that's

950
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,000
going on around me. And again,
being from that kind of studio

951
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,760
mold player, I love a monitor.
Engineers hate me because I want

952
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,400
it to sound like a freaking
record. Yeah, you know, I want

953
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,640
to hear everything perfect, and
drum, big drums, big guitars and

954
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,040
all that stuff. You probably
have a great working knowledge

955
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,700
of telling them exactly how to
achieve exactly, exactly, you

956
00:53:54,700 --> 00:54:00,100
know. So it's, it's, it's, I can
do the crappy in ear mixes we

957
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:02,400
all are going to have it, you
know, a lot of times in our

958
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,940
career. But, you know, I would
still rather use them than not

959
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:06,900
use them. Yeah,

960
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:14,040
nice. I use the headphones. And
I wonder sometimes if when I'm

961
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,740
playing, because I've been
playing a lot more recently, up

962
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:19,980
in the bedroom here at the
office and with some drums that

963
00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:23,720
I gave Jim, yeah, Jim works for
gear. That's what. It's a great,

964
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:27,320
amazing relationship. That's
what I do. Yeah? And

965
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,400
I find I'm like, do, am I
playing harder? Because I'm

966
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,760
trying to hear the articulation
of all the symbols and

967
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,100
everything you guys do. I guess
you could feed that into your

968
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:40,580
feed and get that, you know, you
get the overheads and right?

969
00:54:40,580 --> 00:54:43,300
Yeah, yeah. But he but even
then, I do find, I do find that

970
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:45,640
happen when it's a situation
where there is no overheads,

971
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,280
it's just, you know, like, if
you're playing a gig downtown

972
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,820
Nashville, there ain't gonna be
no good monitor mix, it's gonna

973
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:55,000
be whatever they give you. And
sometimes I find myself, if I'm

974
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,880
playing down there, hitting way
harder than I should, right? You

975
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,680
know, just try to hear those
symbols. But.

976
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,580
Do you feel like the fatigue in
your arms and your wrists and

977
00:55:02,580 --> 00:55:05,340
everything, oh, 100% you know.
But over the years, I've tried

978
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:08,220
to work on my technique and make
sure that, you know, everything

979
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:12,060
kind of works the way it does.
But you know, over over time,

980
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,840
you know, I look at still, I'm
almost 30, and been playing for

981
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:20,360
so, yeah, right. But my my tell
my body that, because my body

982
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,800
thinks I'm 65 you know, I wake
up cracking, you know, it's, uh,

983
00:55:24,860 --> 00:55:28,820
it's, it's a similar thing is,
is like, you know, I do have,

984
00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:31,700
you know, there's gonna be
issues that can come about. So

985
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:34,580
how can you combat them before
they do? My left hand falls

986
00:55:34,580 --> 00:55:36,920
asleep, man, I wake up in my
bunk with my left hand like

987
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,440
tingling in the morning. And so
I get up, and you run it under

988
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,100
hot water, and you stretch it,
and you do the thing, and you

989
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:46,480
try to warm up. Really, it's
just amazing that the body is

990
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,840
holding up, you know, because
you're taking this piece of wood

991
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,700
and you're cracking it over this
metal rim 1000s of times a

992
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:59,560
night, every night, hundreds of
pounds of force. You know, it's

993
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,040
crazy, you guys. I mean, you're
holding onto the stick two time,

994
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,560
maybe, or no, you know, for the
other thing is probably gonna

995
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,980
use some looper, Derm,
luberderm. No, I've saved that

996
00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:09,420
for other things. But anyways,
um,

997
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:13,620
get up. Give me a splashable.
But splash, yeah, he's got to

998
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:15,420
find it, or a toilet flushing or
something.

999
00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:19,500
But no, I mean, warming up,
correct technique, molar

1000
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:23,660
technique, you know, you look at
Kenny, you look at Liberty, you

1001
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:27,500
know, very nice Gemin. You got
to have that ready to go. Man,

1002
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,460
there's so many different tabs,
I know, but yeah, you know, it

1003
00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:34,520
was little ting years. Here's a
secret, okay, and I discovered

1004
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,880
this, I don't know, probably
about last year sometime we

1005
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,740
ended up getting a grounding
sheet for our bed. And you sleep

1006
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:44,380
on top of you. Ever hear the
technique of grounding? Yeah,

1007
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:46,660
putting your oil, you're putting
your feet around to the earth,

1008
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,380
yeah? And what that does is it
rebalances, I guess, you know,

1009
00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:53,560
the electronic electrolysis, or
whatever, the electrical

1010
00:56:53,620 --> 00:56:56,320
impulses of your body. That's
everything from the earth, yeah?

1011
00:56:56,380 --> 00:56:59,860
And everybody's house, we have a
grounding rod, a literal piece

1012
00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:02,400
of copper that goes in the
ground, probably about 15 feet

1013
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:08,040
and in a plug, the little, you
know, the the face, yeah, in the

1014
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,360
mouth is the ground, and the
blanket plugs right into that,

1015
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,680
maybe you, you are grounded. So
I, we started using it, and lo

1016
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,020
and behold, I'm going down the
stairs one day and I'm going,

1017
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:23,720
Wow, my knees don't hurt. It
literally was probably within a

1018
00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:27,200
week or two blanket that's
called dude. What a difference.

1019
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:32,000
Yeah, it's pricey, but what a
difference. Oh, what's pricey?

1020
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,840
Like, like, pricey for
Alexander, for me, I want to say

1021
00:57:36,020 --> 00:57:39,140
ours. I mean, it's the one I
have is a blanket so it just

1022
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:44,020
covers me, yeah? 140 All right,
maybe, yeah, I can look it up.

1023
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,140
So when you're watching Netflix,
you put the grounding blanket.

1024
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,320
It's like, I feel like I'm not
sleeping without my bubby. Yeah,

1025
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,220
your boobie. What do you what do
you do for fun? What do you do

1026
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:57,340
for for you know, you're
listening to vinyl, you got a

1027
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,560
you got a lady friend, you any
other like, things that we

1028
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,740
wouldn't know about that are
like, are you movie buff? You

1029
00:58:04,740 --> 00:58:06,180
know, I, I've been a

1030
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:11,760
huge Disney park enthusiast for
many years. So I go to Disney

1031
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,580
World like Josh for Yeah,
exactly, just like Josh, I go

1032
00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:17,460
to, you know, Disney World four
or five times a year. When I

1033
00:58:17,460 --> 00:58:19,920
would go to Nam, I'd come in a
few days early and go to

1034
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,300
Disneyland crossing the
convention center. Wow. So it's,

1035
00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:26,420
it's always been a big hobby of
mine, you know, in watching

1036
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:29,900
documentaries, reading books
about the more the technology,

1037
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:32,660
history, construction,
architecture, that sort of

1038
00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:35,420
thing, coasters, your roller
coaster? Guy, absolutely not.

1039
00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:39,200
No, yeah. I don't do drops. I
don't do spinny stuff.

1040
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:45,580
Well, Haunted Mansion, like the
classics. You know, you're like

1041
00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:48,100
an old soul dude. Yeah? He
really, yeah. I've been told

1042
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:50,860
that my entire life. I'm
wondering, I was gonna ask about

1043
00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:53,380
that, yeah? Cuz, no, he's
around. He's a renaissance man,

1044
00:58:53,380 --> 00:58:57,940
and he's, you're there. This
isn't a such a word, but you're

1045
00:58:57,940 --> 00:59:01,140
like a practicalist. I mean,
it's like, everything you do is

1046
00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:04,320
practical application for your
God given talents. And you know

1047
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,260
what? I mean, it's like, yeah,
you are an old soul, yes, oh,

1048
00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:10,740
yeah, beyond your years. How do
you feel about that? Oh, you

1049
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:12,960
know, you're already, like,
Dating Yourself. I'm going to be

1050
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,280
30. Well, give the 30 again for
Corona. I know, but yeah, with

1051
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,620
the knowledge that you have,
which is possible? Well, it's,

1052
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:21,980
it's, it's, you know, can be
tough. You know, just trying to

1053
00:59:21,980 --> 00:59:24,500
make sure I have the right
perspective. And, you know, life

1054
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,900
and what I've done, and you know
what I'm gonna do in the future,

1055
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:29,600
and you know, things like that,
and especially in this industry,

1056
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,880
are changing all the time. You
know, I've been with Ted for

1057
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,580
nine years, and now we're only
playing two shows this year. So

1058
00:59:34,580 --> 00:59:37,460
it's like, okay, well, what am I
doing next? Reinvent Are you

1059
00:59:37,460 --> 00:59:41,260
worried about it? No, absolutely
not. You know, I just, I love, I

1060
00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:44,020
love doing what I do. You know,
I love being in the industry I

1061
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:46,000
am, you know, I love being
around the people that I'm

1062
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:51,640
around, you know? So it's, it's,
it's, it keeps my my my toes up,

1063
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,740
because you never know what's
going to be called. You know,

1064
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:56,740
I've been on a rock gig forever,
but I've done, you know, I was

1065
00:59:56,740 --> 00:59:59,620
on the road this past weekend
with a country Tiktok artist,

1066
00:59:59,620 --> 00:59:59,920
you know.

1067
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,060
So it's going from that to that,
to this, to that, you know, it

1068
01:00:03,060 --> 01:00:05,580
just, it always keeps it
exciting. It keeps it

1069
01:00:05,580 --> 01:00:09,060
interesting. And, you know, and
you know, I love going from

1070
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:12,480
playing to a click on a gig to
not playing to a click on a gig,

1071
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,720
reading charts on a gig to not
reading charts on a gig. It's

1072
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,140
just, it's always a hodgepodge
of everything, but keeping that

1073
01:00:19,140 --> 01:00:23,420
perspective and knowing that,
you know, I've, I've been very

1074
01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:27,440
fortunate to have been, to have
done what I've done, but there's

1075
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,260
still more on the horizon. Oh,
yeah, you're always moving for

1076
01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:33,560
and if, if I quit the music
industry today, I could still

1077
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,840
look back and say I was, you
know, proud of what I've

1078
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:38,720
accomplished in my life. You've
done a lot more than most people

1079
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,800
on the planet. Yeah, I'm very,
very fortunate for that. You

1080
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,680
know, it's, it's, I'm not a
religious man, but you know, I

1081
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,780
do believe in karma, and I
believe in universe and

1082
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:49,720
everything happens for a reason.
And, yeah, you know, it's, I

1083
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,540
love me some laws of attraction.
I tell you me, I'm a student of

1084
01:00:52,540 --> 01:00:52,840
that.

1085
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,060
Sometimes I don't, you know, the
other night I was, we were at me

1086
01:00:58,060 --> 01:01:01,320
and Jim were having our little
dinner party, and I was, I had

1087
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,460
my violin out, and I was like,
and he was like, this is from

1088
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:08,820
the motivational speaker. But
sometimes the motivator needs

1089
01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:12,300
the motivation, you know? I mean
sometimes, sometimes mentors

1090
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:15,720
need mentoring, you know,
sometimes the clown just isn't

1091
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,500
happy. Yeah, that makes other
people happy. Well, exactly

1092
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:21,560
makes other people laugh. Clowns
are scary as hell. That's

1093
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,140
because you watch terrifier. Oh,
terrify you. Horror buff at all,

1094
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,460
absolutely not, but even, but
even though Jaws is my favorite

1095
01:01:31,580 --> 01:01:34,580
movie of all, times, like you
rarely see the shark because it

1096
01:01:34,580 --> 01:01:38,180
didn't work, but they made it
work. They made it work because

1097
01:01:38,180 --> 01:01:43,000
it's it's better because you're
afraid of the thought of the

1098
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,480
shark, yeah, because the shark
was kind of cheesy. And most of

1099
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,660
the people around destin and the
Gulf Coast this past weekend or

1100
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:53,800
two are very far. Are finding
out, you know for a fact, you

1101
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,560
know the shark is around you at
any given moment. But what did

1102
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,840
they and they always have been,
but, but what is this with these

1103
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,800
attacks in two feet of water?
Something is going on, yeah?

1104
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,340
That's why I never stepped foot
in ocean, because they'll come

1105
01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:08,940
out and get you scarier the
ocean or the lake. Ocean, you

1106
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:12,960
think so because lakes, I don't
see the lake though, bottomless

1107
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:15,960
pits of despair, I don't go in
either. I'd rather just give me

1108
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,740
a pool. I like to be biased at a
Disney Resort, yeah, exactly,

1109
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:22,460
exactly. I like to be by it. Now
I want to do the Disney thing,

1110
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:24,860
because on the same way, I don't
like the big scary rides. But

1111
01:02:25,340 --> 01:02:27,500
also, there's all that history,
and there's all the little

1112
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,560
actors in their little suits
running around. The food's got

1113
01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:34,460
to be pretty good. It's the
best, you know. And especially

1114
01:02:34,460 --> 01:02:37,100
Disneyland, you know, you have
the history of Walt was there,

1115
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:40,540
and he, you know, built the
place you know. And even the

1116
01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:44,680
musical history, the carnation
gardens, you know, back in from

1117
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:50,080
the 50s to the 80s. Count Basie,
Louie Bellson, Buddy Rich, like

1118
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,040
a house gig. Everyone played
there, yeah, you know. And still

1119
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,340
live music happening a lot at
Disneyland, not, not as much as

1120
01:02:57,340 --> 01:03:02,040
it was, you know, but it's, it's
still a just such a rich history

1121
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,980
and all that stuff, you know.
And I've talked with Kathy rich

1122
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:08,160
about this many times, because
her and Greg are massive

1123
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,660
Disneyland people as well. And
it's, it's like, you know, going

1124
01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:15,480
on a Saturday night to see Buddy
Rich at Disneyland. Like, how

1125
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,420
cool can it get? Doesn't get
more American than that,

1126
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,000
exactly. Buddy Rich. Buddy Rich.
Like they always say, I gotta

1127
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,560
get a real band in here. I told
you,

1128
01:03:27,260 --> 01:03:31,100
no facial hair in my band. This
is American as apple pie,

1129
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:32,780
baseball and Buddy Rich.

1130
01:03:34,580 --> 01:03:38,720
Now old man Disney didn't
always. There's some I don't

1131
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,440
think they called him that rich
old man Disney. Don't think they

1132
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,660
referred to Walt as old man
Disney, but they

1133
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,220
he had, doesn't have, like, a
perfectly squeaky clean

1134
01:03:48,220 --> 01:03:51,880
reputation. No, no. He died from
smoking, yeah, you know. And he

1135
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,180
drank whiskey, which was, you
know, back in the day, smoking

1136
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:58,960
was considered to be a benefit
for your health. Yeah, exactly,

1137
01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:02,820
you know. He died at six lucky
strikes, early, mid 60s, yeah,

1138
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,600
you know. And just smoking and
drinking and, like, one of my

1139
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,000
that like they've literally
photoshopped cigarettes out of

1140
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,880
so many iconic photos the
company has. Oh, wow, you know.

1141
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,200
And I always love trying to find
the photos of Walt screaming in

1142
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,500
a meeting. He's like this
because, you know that he wasn't

1143
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,600
actually a nice boss. He was a
slave driver. He was like, get

1144
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,900
it done now. Type situation you
don't build the Empire to do

1145
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,140
being the nicest guy in the
world. Look at Steve Jobs,

1146
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,500
exactly, you know. And it's you
look at the imperfections, the

1147
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:36,440
perfections are there. Point out
the imperfections. And I

1148
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,960
sometimes, unfortunately get
like that too much, you know,

1149
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,860
I'd look at the negatives, but
it's like, if you got all the

1150
01:04:41,860 --> 01:04:44,020
positives, you know, those
positives are gonna work. Do you

1151
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,000
think Walt Disney would be
canceled today?

1152
01:04:48,220 --> 01:04:51,880
You never know. I mean, it's,
it's, uh, that I'm saying, like,

1153
01:04:51,940 --> 01:04:56,080
there is some bad stories about
his hiring practices, yeah. I

1154
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,600
mean, and that that was all of
corporate America back then,

1155
01:04:58,600 --> 01:04:59,740
yeah. So it's, it's.

1156
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,780
Mad Men era, exactly, you know,
everybody had a liquid lunch

1157
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:07,680
back then, yeah, mark a couple
martinis at lunch and smoked a

1158
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,980
bunch of cigarettes then kept on
going, Yeah, which were all the

1159
01:05:10,980 --> 01:05:14,640
spots on a couch over there?
Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah,

1160
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,940
just cigarette burns. Yeah. I
like a good martini, but I just

1161
01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:20,720
don't know how you would do it
at lunch and then be productive

1162
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,080
after lunch. You know what I
mean? Because the liquid lunch

1163
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,020
was there to loosen up the
clients. Gotcha All right,

1164
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:29,240
especially in the advertising
world, they take them out, get

1165
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,280
them all liquored up, and sell
them. You know, hundreds of

1166
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,360
1000s of dollars of ad
campaigns. So exactly, so smart.

1167
01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:39,380
Yeah. Now I listen to, I usually
will try to listen to a podcast

1168
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:44,260
or two, or go do a deep dive on
YouTube with our guests. There's

1169
01:05:44,260 --> 01:05:47,920
this LOS lobotomies record that
you love, right? I think I had

1170
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,540
it on CD. What's it live at the
baked potatoes? Eric, well, it

1171
01:05:52,540 --> 01:05:56,140
was cut at the blink of the name
of the studio. It was actually

1172
01:05:56,140 --> 01:05:59,140
cut at the studio, yeah. But the
Lost lobotomies was, you know,

1173
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:03,960
part of that baked potato.
Lucather, Lucas, well. It was

1174
01:06:04,020 --> 01:06:07,500
different lost bodies, mainly
lucather, picaro,

1175
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,020
David Garfield, you know, bunch
of different bass players. Clar,

1176
01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:15,840
yeah, Leland, or Jimmy Johnson,
or all those guys. But the

1177
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,420
actual lost bodies record they
cut in the studio, and it was

1178
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:22,160
Carlos, Vega, Jeff Vinny, Will
Lee on base.

1179
01:06:23,420 --> 01:06:26,300
And a couple years ago, I ended
up putting it on vinyl through

1180
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:29,780
my company. I was just like, it
never been on vinyl. It's, you

1181
01:06:29,780 --> 01:06:35,540
know, super cool. And, you know,
I we even restored the original

1182
01:06:35,540 --> 01:06:39,620
art that Jeff painted by his
hand, and I was the one that did

1183
01:06:39,620 --> 01:06:43,000
it in Photoshop. And I was, it
was the most wild experience in

1184
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,600
my life. My, you know, probably
my top drummer of all time, Jeff

1185
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,260
Ricardo. And I'm sitting here on
Photoshop in 2020 when I was at

1186
01:06:50,260 --> 01:06:55,840
21 or 22 when we did that. And
I'm with a digital brush putting

1187
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,560
over Jeff's signature to enhance
it on the on the record. It was

1188
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,720
just wild experience for me, you
know, being a drummer, doing a,

1189
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,840
you know, something that iconic
drummer did, but it had nothing

1190
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,860
to do with drumming amazing, you
know, I so what is, what is the

1191
01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:14,100
business behind something like
that? It's, you got to get into

1192
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:18,120
fine print contracts, legalities
to to get the rights to put

1193
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,420
something like that out. Yeah,
absolutely, you know. And David

1194
01:07:20,420 --> 01:07:23,840
Garfield owned the rights to all
that stuff, so I worked with him

1195
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,740
and all that, you know. And the
actually, we did that in 2019

1196
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,400
because Nugent was we were
rehearsing in LA to start the

1197
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,380
tour, and we had just put out
the record, and I seen that

1198
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,680
David was playing up in the West
villages. Or think, I think it

1199
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,660
was low at West Lake, or
something like that, north,

1200
01:07:46,660 --> 01:07:52,360
north LA. And Joe Pacwa was on
drums. And, you know, I never

1201
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,260
met Joe, and I had actually
flown in earlier to go to Sabian

1202
01:07:56,260 --> 01:08:00,040
pick up some stuff from Chris
stanky, and I was going to stop

1203
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,160
at Jeff's grave up in the

1204
01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:06,840
the cemetery that he's in. And I
never, I hate cemeteries with a

1205
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,960
passion. Is he in the Hollywood
Forever Cemetery? He's in the

1206
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:15,180
Hollywood Hills, forest, lawn,
gotcha. And, you know, right by

1207
01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:18,840
Disney and all the Burbank
studios, and I wouldn't go visit

1208
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,820
him, and you know his grave, and
I can't stand funeral, you know,

1209
01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:25,940
cemetery. So it was a weird
experience for me. But that

1210
01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:30,500
night, I went up to North
Hollywood and seen Joe, yeah, 90

1211
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:34,160
years old, playing the drums,
best jazz drummer I've ever seen

1212
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,280
live in you know that he passed,
you know, less than a year

1213
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,980
later, and I think that was
might have been his last gig,

1214
01:08:39,980 --> 01:08:43,240
and got to meet him. And just
like it was a wild experience

1215
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:48,220
to, you know, do it, but you
know, just to see this icon, you

1216
01:08:48,220 --> 01:08:51,460
know, not just that his son was
Jeff Ricardo, but also the

1217
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,240
amount of sessions that Joe did,
you know, as a percussionist,

1218
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,760
just meeting some of these guys
that were part of the Wrecking

1219
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,140
Crew, and part of that scene
from that era. It just was

1220
01:09:01,140 --> 01:09:06,000
amazing for me. That was 2019
Yeah, because that's when I met

1221
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,040
Joe per car as well. I met him
at NAMM, 2019

1222
01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:16,140
He was charming, funny. Firm
handshake was he was just happy

1223
01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:19,080
to talk. And he was great. I was
so happy I got to talk to him,

1224
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,540
yeah, I mean, and so many people
don't even realize the amount of

1225
01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:23,480
stuff, because Jeff kind of
oversight. Kind of oversaw

1226
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:26,900
cartoons, TV shows, but every
movie out of that era he played

1227
01:09:26,900 --> 01:09:30,500
on, yeah, it's just insane. I
was always very, almost like

1228
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:33,980
starstruck with ml Richards and
his collection of percussion

1229
01:09:33,980 --> 01:09:36,980
stuff. And you know that a big
portion of, I think a lot of his

1230
01:09:36,980 --> 01:09:41,860
instruments are now owned by um,
Danny Elfman, oh, really, yeah,

1231
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,820
so maybe, I mean ml. ML had the
largest, well, he's who brought

1232
01:09:45,820 --> 01:09:50,380
Joe from Connecticut to LA,
which obviously changed the, you

1233
01:09:50,380 --> 01:09:53,260
know, course of music history.
Yeah, he said you could do it.

1234
01:09:53,260 --> 01:09:56,080
You could hang out here, man.
You know, have you guys seen the

1235
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,480
there's a new Netflix
documentary. Might be Netflix,

1236
01:09:58,480 --> 01:09:59,920
but it's about the Beach Boys.

1237
01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:04,080
Uh, Disney plus, Disney plus.
That's right, that's right. And

1238
01:10:04,380 --> 01:10:07,560
all those got low. It's amazing
to watch the process those guys

1239
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,560
went through, especially with
Pet Sounds. Well, I mean, Pet

1240
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,800
Sounds was put, those guys were
put up against the Beatles quite

1241
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,520
a bit. Well. I mean, you know,
you look at Pet Sounds as just,

1242
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,260
again, the the pinnacle of
session players, yeah, all the

1243
01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:23,960
Wrecking Crew. It's the Wrecking
Crew with Beach Boys singing.

1244
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,560
You know what? I mean, it's,
it's those, those records, those

1245
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:31,040
that that time being able to,
you know, Hal Blaine had five

1246
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,760
different rigs that would just
go from studio to studio, and he

1247
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,600
would go from Sunset Sound over
to capitol, over to, you know,

1248
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,680
all these places. And, you know,
do five sessions in a day, and

1249
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,440
it's like, man, that's, that's,
that's the time that I always

1250
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:47,860
try to long for. You know,
we'll, unfortunately never get

1251
01:10:47,860 --> 01:10:52,600
back, yeah, and Kenny aronoff's
words, it'll never happen again.

1252
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:57,340
Yeah, absolutely, which sucks.
But you know, how was smart? He

1253
01:10:57,340 --> 01:11:02,640
always had Kit A on all of his
kits, because some producers

1254
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,820
would be like, I want kit a,
yeah. Well, why do I have kit D,

1255
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,200
yeah, all of his kits were Kit
A, that's kit one, or whatever.

1256
01:11:10,260 --> 01:11:13,320
Marketing are so smart, how
smart? And he had the gift of

1257
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,400
gab. He always had the latest
joke there's, there's such an

1258
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,320
art to being able to tell a
typical right hook, Right Hook,

1259
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,700
left hook. Joke, you know, with
a punch line, I suck at it

1260
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:29,060
because I know the punch line,
and I can't wait to get there.

1261
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:32,060
Can we talk a bit more about the
Alex Van Halen raffle? Well,

1262
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:35,120
yeah, you know, yeah. Because, I
mean, that's, that's, that's big

1263
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,060
news, you know. I mean,
especially for, you know, one of

1264
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:41,300
the most iconic drummers of in
our history. I didn't know he

1265
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:44,020
was giving it all the charity.
It's incredible. That's from

1266
01:11:44,020 --> 01:11:46,660
what I know. Yeah, because, I
mean, he's for a while there

1267
01:11:46,660 --> 01:11:51,340
that 5150 kit didn't move. It's
out at 75 grand. And then at the

1268
01:11:51,340 --> 01:11:53,560
end, I think it went for about
185

1269
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:59,500
and then the last kit that he
did, that you played on at the

1270
01:11:59,620 --> 01:12:02,880
Nashville drummer's jam, yeah, a
tribute I did all wait.

1271
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:05,700
I think that was 135

1272
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,000
but it came, at least came with
symbols and hardware. Wow. The

1273
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:17,220
thing that I find so interesting
is, you know, we see, we see how

1274
01:12:17,220 --> 01:12:19,680
much these guitars that are
owned by legendary guitar

1275
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:25,040
players go for they're going for
300 quarter million, 100 plus.

1276
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,420
How often do drum sets go for
over 100 guitars, by legendary

1277
01:12:31,460 --> 01:12:34,160
guitar players go for three.
Siri wants to chime in.

1278
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,400
Apparently, amazing. Yeah. But
you know, I, you know, Stuart

1279
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:41,080
Copeland sold his iconic blue
Tama kit and all the police a

1280
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,020
couple years ago, I don't even
think it went near 100 you know.

1281
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:47,620
And it's like these, if that was
a guitar, sometimes the guitars

1282
01:12:47,620 --> 01:12:50,980
are even starting, you know,
just almost at 100 just being

1283
01:12:50,980 --> 01:12:53,620
the guitar itself. Then you add
the fact that it was the artist.

1284
01:12:53,620 --> 01:12:55,900
So, you know, are there kits
that are going to go for more

1285
01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:58,300
than what Alex has just did?
What's the deal with the

1286
01:12:58,300 --> 01:13:01,080
guitarist? Man, it's they just,
it's a much better investment.

1287
01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:05,940
Well, I think that you have more
iconic attributions to a guitar,

1288
01:13:06,060 --> 01:13:09,540
you know, Eddie Van Halen
frankenstrat, would be a million

1289
01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:13,560
dollar plus guitar if wolf ever
wanted to auction it off. Well,

1290
01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:15,900
it's, it's, it's the same thing
with, you know, Ted, with his

1291
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:19,260
birdlands. These are iconic
guitars and but Prince's guitar,

1292
01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:21,740
but exactly, but the same.
There's the same thing with drum

1293
01:13:21,740 --> 01:13:24,560
sets. Though, you know, you've
got so many iconic drummers that

1294
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,760
use iconic drum sets. You know,
why isn't the value equal to

1295
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,760
that? Because I don't think the
general public really drummers

1296
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,860
pay attention to it. I think the
general public would, I just

1297
01:13:36,860 --> 01:13:39,140
think there are a lot of more
people that are consumers of

1298
01:13:39,140 --> 01:13:42,640
music that will don't know what
a Pete Townsend guitar, Eddie

1299
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,180
Van Halen, any of those guitars,
Randy Rhodes, Zach Wilde, they

1300
01:13:46,180 --> 01:13:50,020
would be, oh, that I know that
guitar. You know the 5150 drum

1301
01:13:50,020 --> 01:13:54,220
kit, the you know the see
through acrylic drum kit is

1302
01:13:54,220 --> 01:13:57,340
known to us guys because we
watched that live without a net

1303
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,960
till it was worn thin. But

1304
01:13:59,980 --> 01:14:04,380
I was surprised to see that the
1981 Gong with the stripes

1305
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:06,660
around the frame, yeah, what for
$287,000

1306
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:11,700
amazing. That's a 40 inch pisty
Gong. Can you imagine having

1307
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:15,840
that test kind of expendable
income? It's got to be the most

1308
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,740
expensive symbol ever sold. My
gosh, that's insane. I mean

1309
01:14:19,740 --> 01:14:22,340
quarter million dollars, over a
quarter million dollars for a

1310
01:14:22,340 --> 01:14:24,560
gong. I didn't, I didn't realize
he never played Black Beauty

1311
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,860
snares. What was I thought he
did? I always thought he was,

1312
01:14:27,860 --> 01:14:30,620
yeah, super phonic. Oh, super
phonic, yeah. But he played

1313
01:14:30,620 --> 01:14:35,480
tama, like, Redwood type snares,
yeah, there was a bunch of those

1314
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:39,560
Tama snares, yeah, too. But I
found that very interesting, you

1315
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,680
know? Well, yeah, that's the
thing is, is that he, they had

1316
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,340
one pearl snare for sale, and it
was a mahogany Pearl snare that

1317
01:14:45,340 --> 01:14:47,800
is big on wood snares they
apparently was going to try to

1318
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,380
use for a recording session, and
just never ended up happening.

1319
01:14:50,380 --> 01:14:53,260
And, and when I seen that, I
thought that was very strange,

1320
01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:56,500
yeah, given that he's one of the
most iconic Ludwig guys, yeah,

1321
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,920
ever you know, to have those you
know, certain random.

1322
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,620
Hammers and Pearl and CNC and
just noble Cooley and stuff like

1323
01:15:04,620 --> 01:15:05,880
that thrown in there. Yeah,

1324
01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:11,880
you know, I, most drummers are
guys that play other brands and

1325
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,960
swap other brands, you know, I,
my drum collection is pretty

1326
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,660
huge when it's all Pearl, but
even then, you always got to

1327
01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:20,760
have at least one Ludwig. You
always gotta have. I mean,

1328
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,540
you've been requiring Pearl
drums since you were nine years

1329
01:15:23,540 --> 01:15:27,740
old. Yeah, right. I mean,
that's, yeah, you're gonna just

1330
01:15:27,740 --> 01:15:30,440
need a big old house for those
drums, man. Well, you know, it's

1331
01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:33,680
it, but it's, it's like with
you, you got a ton of dW kids,

1332
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,880
but you always got to have at
least a Gretch snare, or you

1333
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,860
always got to have that one or
two. Oh, no, but I was very

1334
01:15:41,860 --> 01:15:45,100
shocked how many non Ludwig
drums were in that auction. Wow,

1335
01:15:45,220 --> 01:15:48,400
yeah, we need a guide as to
become completely iconic that

1336
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:53,860
plays nothing but CB, 700 drums.
Well, I mean, they were made by

1337
01:15:53,860 --> 01:15:57,640
Pearl, really. I didn't know
that same factory, huh, amazing.

1338
01:15:57,940 --> 01:16:01,560
What did that stand for? Was CB,
like a, I don't know. I mean,

1339
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,980
Pearl made so many stencil kits
back in the 70s and 80s, you

1340
01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:09,660
know, a lot of those were just,
you know, a max win and CB 700

1341
01:16:10,020 --> 01:16:12,720
and a lot of those just random
ones were made in, you know, the

1342
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,420
same thing with tama, because
they were both made in that area

1343
01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:18,300
in Japan, pretty much right by
each other. So a lot of those

1344
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:23,180
weird Japanese stencil kits were
either Tama or Pearl, and Alex's

1345
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,420
drum throne, I think went for
seven or $8,000 it's like, Oh,

1346
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:29,780
he got some Alex's butt sweating
here. Well, it's, it says, you

1347
01:16:29,780 --> 01:16:33,920
know, Thou shalt not sit. That's
the one. Oh, nice, yeah. No one,

1348
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,820
no one, but no one sits on his
throne. That's crazy. Except you

1349
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,560
was that the throne that they
had? I don't know it. I should

1350
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,920
have asked his drum tech, John
Douglas,

1351
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,480
crazy, well, he's got a book
coming out. John Douglas, no,

1352
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,660
Alex, oh. Alex, well, good for
him. The biggest thing is is,

1353
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,240
you know, hopefully they start
bringing out some of this vault

1354
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,420
stuff, because he had 5150
there. They've got hundreds and

1355
01:16:58,420 --> 01:17:01,000
hundreds and hundreds of hours
of all this unreleased stuff.

1356
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,420
And, yeah, you know, that's kind
of where we are in this, in this

1357
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:06,420
part of the industry is, is, you
know, these artists going back

1358
01:17:06,420 --> 01:17:09,180
into their personal archives and
stuff that they own personally.

1359
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:12,300
And like these fans want this.
They want the built up energy.

1360
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,820
You know, they have all this
content. They've been hearing

1361
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:18,360
the same records for 4050,
years. Yeah, new remaster, cool.

1362
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,620
But yeah, how much difference is
that master really? We took down

1363
01:17:21,620 --> 01:17:25,400
the high end of the snare just a
tad, yeah, and put a little more

1364
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,340
compression on the bass line.
Well, like, you know, white

1365
01:17:28,340 --> 01:17:33,080
snake did remixes of of the
slide it in record and, like,

1366
01:17:33,140 --> 01:17:36,620
cozy pal, cozy drums already
sounded amazing on it. Yeah, the

1367
01:17:36,620 --> 01:17:39,740
remix sounds even bigger, you
know, stuff like that. That's

1368
01:17:39,740 --> 01:17:42,880
cool. But, you know, remasters,
unless it's a big noticeable

1369
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,880
difference if the original
master was terrible, you know,

1370
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,500
people want rough mixes, people
want live outtakes. People want

1371
01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:53,380
different takes of the actual
song. You know, those are the

1372
01:17:53,380 --> 01:17:55,900
cool things that and I think
what's going to continue

1373
01:17:55,900 --> 01:17:58,900
sustaining a lot of these legacy
artists is going back into their

1374
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:02,700
vaults and picking out those
things, because these fans want

1375
01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:05,520
to hear this stuff. You know, we
started doing with Ted's catalog

1376
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,640
a couple years ago and and, you
know, I've been archiving his

1377
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,940
his vault for last two years.
And the stuff that we found is

1378
01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:15,660
amazing. I found the demos for
the first Ted Nugent record on a

1379
01:18:15,660 --> 01:18:18,480
cassette. You know, we've got
Stranglehold and motorcycments

1380
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,560
and all this stuff in a working,
you know, rehearsal space. Yeah,

1381
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,320
it hasn't, we haven't released
it yet, but it's, you know,

1382
01:18:24,380 --> 01:18:26,960
those that's what people want to
hear. People are gonna, are

1383
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:31,280
gonna buy that and gonna grab
that up more than a here's the

1384
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,940
ninth color of the same record
that was been already pressed 10

1385
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:38,660
different times. You know, Would
it be weird if Wolfgang actually

1386
01:18:38,660 --> 01:18:42,400
did that, you know? Because I
guess once, you know, I hate to

1387
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,340
put it this way, but once Alex
is kind of out of the picture,

1388
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:48,460
he'll have full rights, I guess,
to do that. Is it weird when

1389
01:18:48,460 --> 01:18:50,140
Prince's estate started doing
it?

1390
01:18:51,220 --> 01:18:54,220
I don't know. You know, Prince's
estate immediately started

1391
01:18:54,220 --> 01:18:55,780
going, you know, in that vault,

1392
01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:00,780
exactly? Well, yeah, but what
is, what is it doing to that

1393
01:19:00,780 --> 01:19:03,960
artist's legacy? Right? It's
helping sustain it. It's helped

1394
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,080
continuing to release more. The
name is continuing to be said

1395
01:19:07,140 --> 01:19:11,460
exactly. It's, it's not the same
records and songs that have been

1396
01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:15,000
out for 40 years. You know, now
we're getting new material by

1397
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,020
these legacy artists that it's,
it's, it's like old new stock of

1398
01:19:19,140 --> 01:19:22,400
gear. You know, people love
finding old, new stock stuff.

1399
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,340
Exact same thing with all this
vaults, you know, material they

1400
01:19:25,340 --> 01:19:29,540
want that those rough mixes,
those, yeah, if the true fans

1401
01:19:29,540 --> 01:19:33,620
want all the extra stuff. Oh
yeah, I would imagine, like

1402
01:19:33,620 --> 01:19:38,120
even, I think it was on Amazon
or one of the streamers, uh,

1403
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,560
behind the music is another one
with Wolfgang, mainly with

1404
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:46,420
Wolfgang and Valerie Bertinelli,
yeah, talking about Wolf and

1405
01:19:46,420 --> 01:19:50,380
Eddie's relationship. And even
Alex didn't chime in on that.

1406
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:53,620
He's, he does not want to be
public at all. I knew that at

1407
01:19:53,620 --> 01:19:56,320
that point. I'm, like, I watched
it. I'm going, yeah, he's, he's

1408
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,020
done well, I mean, but you know,
they're starting to, I think

1409
01:19:59,020 --> 01:19:59,920
next, next month.

1410
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,360
They've got a, you know, deluxe
edition of one of the van Hagar

1411
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,900
records, and they have live
concert and video, and it's only

1412
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:09,480
a remaster. But, you know, at
least they're starting to dip

1413
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:12,240
their toes into that, you know,
I think they, they were supposed

1414
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,240
to, like, 20 years ago, put out
a rough, mixed version of the

1415
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:20,100
first album, or one of the first
albums, and Warner just shelved

1416
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:22,400
it, or something like that. And
you know, it's circling around

1417
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:27,140
the bootleg community and things
like that. But again, when you

1418
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:30,980
have especially brands, all
these legacy artists are brands,

1419
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:35,840
so why don't we continue to
expand on that brand and bring

1420
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:40,600
these vault lost gems out for
these consumers? Amazing,

1421
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,040
amazing. Hey,

1422
01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:49,300
we're gonna finish up with the
Fave Five, Fave color, hmm, red

1423
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:53,320
or blue, the whole American like
Ted blue, like, like that. I

1424
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:54,880
like favorite drink,

1425
01:20:57,340 --> 01:21:02,880
probably, root beer. Yeah, nice.
I like a good cream soda. Every

1426
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,700
once in a while, what about the
PB and J beer diet cream? Hey,

1427
01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:08,640
don't know, Jim had got me a PB
and J beer the other night. It

1428
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,160
was like, this is a beer. It
tasted like a peanut butter and

1429
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,800
jelly sandwich. Was amazing. It
was, I was I gotta, I'm gonna

1430
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:18,120
finish it tonight. Favorite food
or favorite dish? Um, I'm a

1431
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,440
sucker for a good filet with,
uh, you know, mushroom risotto

1432
01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:25,880
type thing, nice. Now here in
town, it the price of Dining Out

1433
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,580
is anywhere in the world is
getting more and more expensive.

1434
01:21:28,580 --> 01:21:31,340
Used to go to PF Changs. You get
Chang spicy for 1390 and now

1435
01:21:31,340 --> 01:21:34,700
it's 2399 right? So if you're a
filet man, you know you're not

1436
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:39,440
getting out for like, 4550 55
But occasionally, like, I go to

1437
01:21:39,500 --> 01:21:41,720
brick tops. I love brick tops.
They're good, ladies and

1438
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,680
gentlemen. You want to run in.
Want to run into me? I'll be at

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the brick tops on McEwen
Boulevard and Cool Springs.

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That's where I'm at the I'm
getting my filet. So they do a

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01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,420
good filet. Now, this is a
difficult one, but maybe it's

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you love the artist, you love
the melody, you love the

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01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,200
drummer. You can't escape it.
One of your favorite songs?

1444
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:06,000
Well, it's tough, you know, I I
always look at, you know, songs

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like, you know, Rosanna is just
a classic Bob O'Reilly by the

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01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,220
WHO three freaking chords, but
it's just one of the most

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01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:17,880
powerful songs ever. You know, I
love those type of things. I'm a

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01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,800
sucker for great pop hooks, but
also that have so much

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01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:26,000
musicality behind it, you know,
and I look at those type of

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01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,820
songs that will never be
replicated, no matter how much

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01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:31,940
you can try, it will never sound
like it, yeah, whereas, opposed

1452
01:22:31,940 --> 01:22:36,140
to, if it was just, you know,
even a lot of the top 40 songs

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01:22:36,140 --> 01:22:39,560
that people would say, you can
pretty replicate it easily. So

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01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,640
finding those little, teeny,
tiny details that can really

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01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:47,560
enhance those easy pop songs, or
what I always try to I'm a

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01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,600
little stuck, you know, people
are like, what's the new stuff

1457
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,460
you're listening to? I'm like,
Well, I you know, I mean, I'm

1458
01:22:51,460 --> 01:22:54,220
willing to check out Vampire
Weekend, or one of these, you

1459
01:22:54,340 --> 01:22:57,700
know, more modern bands, but,
you know, it's like sticks and

1460
01:22:57,700 --> 01:23:00,160
foreigner and John Waite are on
tour this summer, and it's like,

1461
01:23:00,340 --> 01:23:03,060
missing you. John Waite,
classic, it's an all time

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01:23:03,060 --> 01:23:06,480
favorite. Feels like the first
time foreigner, all time classic

1463
01:23:06,540 --> 01:23:10,620
Renegade. It's like, yeah, am I?
Am I old man? Am I? No. I mean,

1464
01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:14,700
I listened to very few music
past 1991 Yeah. And, you know,

1465
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:16,800
I'd listen so the cutoff was
blockage, the British, the

1466
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,280
British, the British, the band,
guitar. But even then, you know,

1467
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,300
Dave Grohl is playing on that
stuff is just epic, unreal,

1468
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:27,320
yeah, yeah. Now, how about this?
Is equally challenging, but a

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01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,500
favorite movie, it's on, you're
like, oh, there goes the rest of

1470
01:23:30,500 --> 01:23:33,020
my afternoon. I gotta sit
through this jaws. Okay. I mean,

1471
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,020
nice. Back to future Jaws,
Blazing Saddles, Young

1472
01:23:36,020 --> 01:23:39,320
Frankenstein, all those call
those classics. He is an old

1473
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,160
soul. It really is. You really
are Get off my lawn. Guy already

1474
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:46,300
at 29 Yeah, yeah, you can ask my
wife about that. Nice. How long

1475
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:51,760
you been married? About a year.
Yeah. Nice. So,

1476
01:23:51,820 --> 01:23:56,320
jasonhartless.com, nice website.
You're on the socials. You're

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01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,560
new to Nashville. Everybody look
up Jason. Reach out to me. He's

1478
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,040
doing some you know, you could
make a killer living down on

1479
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,260
lower Broadway. So you might be
down on lower Broadway, he might

1480
01:24:04,260 --> 01:24:07,680
be on the big stage. You might
be doing a showcase at, you

1481
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,800
know, pretty much I say, get yes
to every gig, even gigs I

1482
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,740
shouldn't say yes to. I just say
yes because I'd love doing it.

1483
01:24:13,740 --> 01:24:16,440
Yeah, I like, I like to play
man. Well, thanks so much for

1484
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:19,140
doing this, man. And welcome to
Nashville. I'm so happy you're

1485
01:24:19,140 --> 01:24:21,440
part of this community. Thank
you. Brother Jim, good. Good

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01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:24,260
one, right. Today we went along.
Fun conversation, really fun

1487
01:24:24,260 --> 01:24:27,140
conversation. Hey to all the
listeners. Thanks so much for

1488
01:24:27,140 --> 01:24:30,200
listening and watching us. Be
sure to subscribe, share, rate

1489
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:33,320
and review helps people find the
show. Jason, thanks so much,

1490
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,200
man. Thank you, Jim, thank you.
Take care. See you guys next

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01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,480
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1492
01:24:40,660 --> 01:24:42,580
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