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So Ejaz you're wealthy you've just won the

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lotto you have all this money what's one of the first things you

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do and I know you're probably going to say a lot of answers but there's one particular answer

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that I want you to say which is you're going to get yourself an assistant right

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to kind of help you do all the things that you don't like to do they're going

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to manage your calendar they're going to order your groceries they're going

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to book your flights they're going to take care of all the essential annoyances

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that you just don't want to deal with.

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Now, what's cool about the news from this week is that OpenAI has released something

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that essentially commoditizes that part of wealth.

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It gives you an assistant that allows you to do all of these tedious things

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that you normally don't like to do, but only for the cost of $20 a month.

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And it's a product called Agent.

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And here will show up the announcement post that they shared.

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And what's really interesting about agent is it kind of builds

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upon a lot of other things that openai has been building right

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they have a browser feature they have a deep research feature

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but they haven't created a fully comprehensive assistant

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and that is what i'm assuming openai is

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trying to do with their agent feature now the news dropped last week i was watching

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the live stream ijaz we were we were kind of chatting throughout the whole thing

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you were slightly underwhelmed because it didn't seem as cool as you wanted

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i was more like in awe at the user interface i thought it just looked very are

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you pretty more than anything else?

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And we're kind of seeing on screen the announcement video.

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What were your first takes when you saw this, the agent product from OpenAI?

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OK, so we were both watching that live stream at the same time,

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and we were sharing our thoughts.

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Do you remember that one sentence that I had for you, Josh, which was, if this is another,

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Google Drive connector, another agent that claims to do a ton of things and

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really it just kind of connects to your Google Drive, I'm going to be really mad.

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And what are we looking at on our screens right now, Josh? Tell me what we're looking at.

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That's so funny because I was reading your message. You just sent this about

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the first minute of the presentation and maybe 10 minutes later,

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they showed the exact connection that he was describing, which is a Google Drive

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connector. And what does that mean for the people who aren't sure why that's

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not super exciting to you? Why is that annoying?

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So everyone uses email, right? And the most popular email is probably Gmail.

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And it comes with this suite of different products, right? You've got Google

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Docs where people write up documents at different company jobs.

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You've got Google Meet, people do video conferencing. It's a whole thing, right?

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And when agents started becoming popular, Josh, do you remember one of the main

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claims to fame was that you could now use AI in your Google account,

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which means that it kind of becomes chat GPT,

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but it can reference all your documents, it understands all your Excel sheets,

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your emails, it writes emails for you, whatever, right?

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But it ended up being more for PR purposes than what the agent actually did.

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When you actually tried some of these agents, all it kind of did was,

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it felt like a very friction filled process very fragmented still josh i still

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had to tell the ai no i meant i want you to reference this document or i want

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you to talk about this particular thing and i just ended up doing it all myself

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so i kind of have a shaded experience with using agents so when i saw this on

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the live stream i was like oh.

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God is this

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The same thing.

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And is it the same thing? Do you feel it's the same thing? Or is this a slight

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enhancement? Because it appears to me like it's different. This time it is a little bit different.

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Okay, I will humor you. It actually, this time actually is a bit different.

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So you mentioned earlier, Josh, that this is a combination of their operator

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agent, which is, if I'm not mistaken, a computer use agent, right?

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So if you imagine it is an AI that can look at your desktop or your laptop screen

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the same way that I'm looking at it right now, and it can scroll with its own

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cursor, it can open up new tabs, it can open up documents,

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it can type your keyboard virtually and write a message, right?

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And it combines this feature with something called deep research,

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which you and I have spoken about a lot on this show, Josh, which is kind of

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like a PhD level researcher for whatever requests that you might have.

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So in theory, that sounded really good.

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Well, we just got access to this.

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I'm just gonna pull up the suite so that people have more context here,

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because I'm sure a lot of our listeners are kind of like asking, you know

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can i use this right now the feature just rolled

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was playing around with this for the last couple of days josh and

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to answer your question yes it is actually quite useful i kind of use some of

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the presented prompts so you know kind of like when you haven't typed anything

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yet they kind of suggest things that you have to type josh and i got it to organize

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bouquet of flowers to be delivered to my apartment for my girlfriend.

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And that's all I asked her to do. I was like, you know, off you go.

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This is not something I want to spend my time doing. So you go do it for me, right?

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Exactly, right? And so I set it. And then I'll tell you my firsthand experience,

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Josh, which is kind of funny.

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I just stared at the screen and I watched it create this virtual browser.

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So for those of you who are listening to the audio here, kind of imagine a pop-up

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appearing and it's like a mini desktop.

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But all the actions, all the movements, all the screen grabbing and all that

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kind of stuff is completely autonomous.

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You're just watching the AI do its thing. So it opened up a browser,

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Josh, and it started scrolling through different links from Google,

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from GPT, flower websites in my local area.

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It started using my location tracker to figure out where I was so it could figure

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out kind of like my vague general address and then figure out what flower shops

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were near me. It then kind of like started passing through a bunch of different

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bouquet flowers, all that kind of stuff.

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Kind of figuring out what's seasonal and what's not, what's within kind of a

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reasonable price point.

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And then it gave me a bunch of suggestions. And it said, hey,

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okay, these are some pretty good suggestions that I've got for you,

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but I kind of want to see whether I'm on track, whether I'm kind of hitting your vibe.

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Can you give me some more information to let me know?

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And so what I basically did, Josh, was I reviewed what it had for me.

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I scrolled through some of the examples that I had and I said,

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yeah, I actually kind of like this.

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And options one and four are kind of like really my vibe.

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And it said, okay, say no more. And it went away and it started like loading

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up the checkout sites and all that.

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And I could see the way it thought Josh, which was like one of my biggest takeaways

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was it kind of gave me comfort being able to watch it do its own thing.

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So it took about 10 minutes in this entire process. And by the end of it,

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I had a pretty good idea of which bouquet I wanted.

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And it just needed me to fill out some wallet details and off I went.

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So my initial take was, you've just saved me a lot of time. You did that in

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10 minutes where I could have just technically looked away from the screen and

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got on with my own thing, right? And then come back to it.

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The other takeaway that I have, and I'm going to take the other side of this,

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right? Is it still required me to do things, Josh.

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It didn't know me entirely. And maybe I'm being too hard on the AI,

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but ideally I want an AI agent that just kind of like knows what I want and

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gets it done for me, right?

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And like has access to my wallet and pays for me.

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We're not quite there yet, but this is a noticeable step change from what we had before.

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Okay, so good, not great. It'll get you most of the way there,

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but it won't quite finish the entire thing.

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And it was interesting hearing the process because during the stream,

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I was listening to how it works. And you described the combination between operator

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and deep research, how they're complimentary.

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I kind of want to unpack that a little bit because operator was the browser-based

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feature. can control a browser.

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So now you have this tool that can control a browser, but it can't really read

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long articles. It's not good at reading long articles. It doesn't have a lot of context.

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It's not that good at things that deep research was good at.

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Deep research is good at reading huge amounts of information,

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compressing it down, coming up with links, and feeding that information back to the browser.

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So we have this very complementary thing where deep research can't interact

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with visual web pages, but it can understand a lot of context.

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An operator can interact with visuals, but it doesn't have the ability to read a lot.

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And that creates this complementary tool set that we're seeing on screen right

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now, which is basically what OpenAd calls the agent.

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It's given a tool set. So the agent spins up a virtual machine.

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So you can imagine when you prompt in a query, it created this virtual computer

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that started talking through how to get the bouquet of flowers.

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It has a text-based browser tool, it has an image-based browser tool,

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and there's access to its own terminal to create complementary things.

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So let's say you were for example doing a spreadsheet and you wanted to see

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what the costs of all the bouquet of flowers are throughout the neighborhood.

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It can actually do that because it has all these complementary tool sets.

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So while I can do all of this,

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Well, it's not completely finished, like you said, you still have to kind of nudge it through.

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So an example that they used in the live stream was trying to get a wedding outfit for a wedding.

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And it'll get you kind of close, but then it doesn't quite know the sizing.

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It doesn't quite know your style preferences.

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And there's more context that it needs

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To complete this. It's lacking a bit of context, right? Yeah, exactly.

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Yes, it's lacking the context and it's lacking the ability to click pay.

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So we're seeing here in the example, it's stuck on the pay screen because it

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doesn't have your credit card information and they just don't have that capability stored yet.

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So I would imagine this is probably just, I mean, this is version one.

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It will get better. It will have the context. It will get your credit card info.

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One of the things I loved, and you described this briefly, is when it loads

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up this browser window, you can actually replay it.

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So Ejaz, you were at your browser for 10 minutes kind of watching it do its thing.

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But in the case that you stepped away and you left you could

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come back and you could actually re-watch all the steps that

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it took as if you were watching a youtube video which is something that i really

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liked a lot about this i think of all the things that i liked the most it was

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the interface it was very pretty it was very easy to understand and it's really

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funny the example they they were able to just kind of pan through like it was

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a youtube video see where it made the searches see what it was looking for walk

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through that step process to see how exactly it arrived at the answer.

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And that was pretty neat. So, I mean, I haven't gotten a chance to try yet.

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My account still does not have enabled.

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Please give it to me. But based on your experience, it seems like it's good, not great.

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And I think that's a step in the right direction because we went from pretty

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mediocre to good. And that's a big jump in the right direction. Yeah.

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So let me unpack my thoughts a little more for you, Josh. Basically,

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I think it's good for people that have high agency.

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And what I mean by that is people who know what exactly they need to get done and, you know,

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maybe what they need to get done requires general access to a browser or and

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a few different tools will get a ton of value out of this agent product.

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I'm not saying it's useless. It's definitely way more useful than any other

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agent that's been released before.

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For the general public, who is so used to, I feel like at this point,

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Josh, magic when it comes to the internet.

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It's like, you know, when you open up an app and you're like,

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whoa, like snaps of photos that disappear after six seconds.

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That's so novel, right? Back in the day when Snapchat was created.

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You know, they want like that kind of like easy to understand kind of like basic

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level thinking. I don't need to think too much. It just wows me.

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We're not there yet with agents. But I have a feeling that when you combine

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agent with deep research as they did today, but with the context of memory,

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which as you and I have spoken about many times,

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and that OpenAI has the kind of like forefront leadership on,

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when you combine all those three things together, then you're going to see that

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magical experience where all you have to do, well, maybe you don't even have to prompt it, Josh.

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Maybe you just kind of open your screen and the agent is like,

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hey, I kind of ordered your coffee for you already.

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It's actually outside the Korea. I've been tracking him is arriving and I've

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like ordered your Tesla robo taxi to arrive.

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So, you know, you'll be ready to go and leave at 730 a.m. or whatever it is to go to the office.

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I will pay hundreds of dollars for this thing. And I won't even think twice.

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Yes. So we have great examples of people using this so far.

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I see you have one pulled up right here. I want you to walk me through how you

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a lot of these things are kind of constrained by your own creativity.

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I do a lot of stuff, but I'm not quite sure what I'm able to optimize for.

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So what are some people using this to optimize for currently?

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So in this example, this person is using it to shop, which isn't exactly something that I can relate to.

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needs to kind of cater and figure out what to buy for and there's so

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many sites that she needs to browse so in this example over here um you can

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see like you know she puts in this problem we pause it she goes find a beige

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trench coat for under 500 any website is fine must be under 500 including shipping

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must have a belt and double-breasted buttons optional to have a hood but must be detachable,

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basically all these different specificities that she needs for this comic, right?

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And kind of reading this kind of gives me a little anxiety because I'm like,

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oh my god, like I do not have the energy to search for something like this myself.

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for the beige coat under 500 bucks, and off we go, right?

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So that's happening. It's doing its own desktop thing. And we see it kind of

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unfolding. It's going through Amazon.

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It's kind of like going through a bunch of different options,

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looking at different colors, making sure it fits all the different criteria.

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So she's basically running like a bunch of different prompts for like her own chat GPT discussions.

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And what she's demonstrating here is she can go back and forth between windows, Josh.

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And if we get to the end of it...

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So I thought that was like a really generally accessible or publicly accessible

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I thought this was pretty fun. So this is something that like really relates

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to me, right? I'm like getting old.

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I'm like, okay, I need to, okay, I'm not that old. But like I'm starting to

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think about major financial decisions, right? I'm like, can I afford a house

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or am I going to be eternally renting for the rest of my life? Stuff like that.

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So I'm like, okay, what do I do with my finances? I don't even know the first

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place to consider or look into.

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task to figure out what a healthy retirement plan might look like or financial

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plan might look like for this particular user that is demonstrating this example.

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And what I found really interesting here, and I'm highlighting it on this tweet,

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is within 20 minutes, it found local tax laws in Vancouver, which is where this guy must be based.

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It analyzed average monthly spend rates. It calculated savings needed to retire at 30 years old.

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It researched optimal investment allocations. It found taxed optimized strategies.

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It built multiple retirement scenarios.

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And then it created a downloadable presentation with all the results, Josh.

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This would have cost me $5,000 from a financial advisor and taken weeks.

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But here I have ChatGPT doing this all for whatever, $50, $100 subscription.

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And I'm going to bring up the video here where we basically see it kind of go

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which you see on your screens right now.

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It looks pretty rudimentary, doesn't it, Josh? Let's be honest.

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but perhaps in terms of the actual content. Very impressive.

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recording, EJs and I were going through what we were going to order for lunch.

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We were reading off the menu items and choosing what we liked.

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This one, the prompt was to order a roast dinner, which I think is very fitting

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for you to describe EJs because I'm not quite sure what a roast dinner is.

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This seems like a British thing.

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It's a Sunday meal, Josh, where the family comes together. It's either roast

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chicken, roast lamb or roast beef and it is a lengthy process all right and

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trust me i've watched my mom do it a million times.

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be as lengthy as you imagine it used to be

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a grocery list it's choosing the chicken it's scheduling a delivery time

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and it's giving you the the prompts in which you would

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need to just finish filling it out so it's like hey what are the login details what

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are the credit card information what time do you want delivered but it's doing

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everything and it's amazing you're watching it click the browser it is going

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through the thinking it is selecting all the things that you want really impressive

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stuff so in this case like that solves you your your roast dinner problem where

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you don't have to worry about it anymore you set this up once it knows your

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preferences and then you just type in the prompt when you're ready to go and

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it will place another order

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You know what's really impressive about this, Josh? I've been on this website,

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this exact website before actually, Tesco, when I was a university kid.

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And I remember doing bulk orders because I had like no money back then.

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So I was like, any kind of like bundle deal, I'll order in bulk and then like

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store it in the freezer or whatever.

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It's Costco here, right? Where it's like a bulk ordering thing. and

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you know you just spend millions of hours just staring in

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the eyes being like i don't know what i need do i need this many toilet

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roll i have no idea this just like abstracts all

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of that away from you and i just know that there are a ton of people where this

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would be kind of like super useful for right the other thing was that kind of

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like popped into my mind is like how relevant does this make like supermarket

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websites these days right or just like general retailers in general Like,

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do the Amazons and Tescos, in this example, of the world need to now try and

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cater to these agents, Josh? Like, how are you thinking about that?

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things much further than just grocery stores.

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website, you kind of want a version of your website to be readable by AIs.

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A lot of websites are visually complex. They have a lot of visual.

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Well, they're meant to be aesthetically pleasing, but they're not meant to serve

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data in the most optimized way.

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actually created a .md file, which is a markdown file that just has the raw

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text data of the website.

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No way. So when an agent is scraping...

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all it wants is the tokens.

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to come and read your website as it wants to.

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with groceries, with everything is just kind of creating a dual experience, this split experience.

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There's an experience you build for the human, and then there's an experience

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you build for the AI model.

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And the ai model is going to be really boring and plain it's

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just going to be a massive block of text that has

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no spacing no prompts it's just text but

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that's really all the ai model wants it ingests the tokens it sorts them and

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it pops new ones out and i think this is probably a trend we're going to be

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seeing with a lot of things is is the user interface the visual element of it

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is going to matter less and less and i can't talk about this without thinking

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about an episode that we're going to be filming soon,

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which is about browsers and AI browsers in general, and how we kind of interact with these things.

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Because it's becoming more and more clear that the future of engaging with the

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internet will be requesting something from it and expecting to be delivered

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that thing without needing to search and go through all the tedious efforts

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of actively going to the website,

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searching through the million different SKUs that they have on Tesco, choosing what you want.

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You could just say, hey, I have this grocery list or hey, I want to make this

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for dinner. just go find the stuff for me and just make sure it shows about my doorstep by 6 p.m.

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And that is a really cool trend that I think we are starting to see and we're

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going to see more as more tools like this get rolled out.

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I can't help but think that this is going to completely disrupt the advertising industry, Josh.

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Isn't that like the main way that all these internet companies make all their money?

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YouTube, Google on search ad revenue, Meta on advertising on all their news

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feeds and all that kind of stuff. It's advertisers, right?

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And now I'm trying to think, how do you prove that your advert has made an impression

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on an artificial intelligent agent, right?

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To your point, you go from making flashy ads, which were designed for human

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eyes to see and walk at, to agents that are just reading a bunch of .md text

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files, as you put it, right?

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Which is kind of like insane to think about.

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The other thing that I'm thinking about is I think services are going to look

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very different now, Josh, right?

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It's going to become less human-like. So we're going to, you know,

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we're not naturally going to go on websites.

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And I kind of have a comment on your browser, a topic that you mentioned.

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I kind of think of it as like an intermediary step, right?

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Almost like it's kind of like trying to bridge the gap between humans and AI.

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Oh, we're used to browsers, scrolling browsers.

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So, you know, let's add a few AI features to these browsers.

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And I'm really excited to do that episode.

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end up in this world where it's just advertisers trying to pitch agents.

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it skews incentives in different ways right maybe you can pay the agent shill

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a certain product to the individual i wonder how all of that ends up mapping

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out it's a weird thing to think.

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About i would actually love to have a specialist on advertising on the show

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to talk about this that just knows more about it than we do because the model

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is already starting to break we've seen it a lot with ad blockers now being

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built into browsers a lot of companies are kind of optimizing out of displaying ads, so

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So there's this trend towards avoiding ads.

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Now that these agents are browsing the website, do they insert the ads into

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the markdown files of the website and hope that they get served?

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Is the agent going to be able to filter out from there? Because that's this

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thing called injection poisoning, right?

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security and defensiveness of these agents.

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all of your personal information, everything about you, and it has read and

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well, you kind of want to make sure the agent is not giving this stuff up and

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telling a malicious actor what your address is, what your credit card information

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is, what all your preferences are.

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can't can't prompt inject and create this malicious intention that serves up

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the information to a website that they're just that's not real there's there's

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this whole defensible side of this argument to be had also it seems like they're

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doing a lot of work to prevent this but i guess we'll see as time goes on how it actually plays out

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Ejaaz:
Okay, so, so far we've spoken about retail consumption of these agents,

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Josh. We've spoken about the security.

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Ejaaz:
One thing that we haven't covered is kind of like the workforce and the enterprise world, right?

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Ejaaz:
Presumably, right, if you can connect an agent to, you know,

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very neatly use your Google Drive, your Slack, your LinkedIn,

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your Salesforce CRM, what are you doing from nine to five every day, right?

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I pulled up this demo here, Josh. I don't know if you can see it.

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But it's this demo that shows someone using the GPT agent to basically make

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personalized invite connections to a bunch of different people on LinkedIn.

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And so it kind of sets the scenario with the prompt saying, like,

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hey, I want you to basically reach out to individuals that have this kind of

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a background, that have held this kind of role, that has this many years of

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experience, and I want you to pitch them on A, B, and C, right?

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And like throughout the demo, it kind of like goes through, personalizes each

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request to each individual person.

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And the first thought that I had in this, Josh, was if you're on the sales team

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of some company, your job just got automated, dude.

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Because a lot of the time you spend, if you're a recruitment person,

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work for a recruitment firm and you're headhunting someone, 90% of their time

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is spent on LinkedIn. I get a ton of these requests day in, day out, right?

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And so I'm thinking, well, now your job can be completely automated and it could

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probably do a much better job

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and reach thousands of people that you reach over months within an hour,

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within 20 minutes, within however long this video is, which is two minutes and

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36 seconds. So I think that we're going to start to.

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See a lot of

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These agents in work environments. I don't know if we're going to have as much insight into that.

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It's going to be at the discretion of all these different companies as to what

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they want to reveal to us. But that's something that we should keep our eyes on, Josh.

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And, you know, I would love to get someone on the show,

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knows about how it's transforming their own company right at a massive scale.

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Josh:
Yeah it's the so there's there's two elements of

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this agent right it's like the personal unlock that we talked about at the top of the show

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where now it's this super assistant that you have to take care of all of your

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yes irons that you don't want to run all the things that are annoying and then

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you have the professional version of it where it can go and it can make sales

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funnels and sales calls and it could do a lot of the professional things it

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can query data it can create nice spreadsheets it can create google slide presentations

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and granted they don't look that pretty,

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but I mean, directionally, they're heading there and they will eventually get there.

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So it's this new trend that is really exciting because it's now here and it's

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accessible for $20 a month and you can actually go and try it and you could

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push those limitations, see

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where the outer bounds lie and see how it can mostly optimize your life.

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And then as we go, it'll just unlock more and more and more.

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It'll start taking down your credit card.

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It'll take down your whole preference stack and just become this supercharged agent.

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Josh:
So I think that is OpenAI's agent feature. It's live. It is out right now.

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I'm hoping my account gets it soon because I really want to use it.

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Ejaaz:
Yeah, dude. You know what? I am officially more optimistic than I was at the

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start of this episode about this thing.

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Ejaaz:
I think you've successfully, or rather we're both successfully convinced me,

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that this is going to become a much larger thing.

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Ejaaz:
And I'm just looking at the end of this demo here, Josh, like this screenshot

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of like, you know, this virtual browser.

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Ejaaz:
Even though it's so rudimentary and basic, I kind of get it.

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Do you know what I mean? it's like running a simulation on my screen and like

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having it like just set and forget on the top left of my screen and just letting it do its thing.

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Ejaaz:
Or like if I'm doing work and I want to watch a stream of something,

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I can have like a YouTube video like there on the corner of my screen.

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Ejaaz:
It's kind of similar to that. So even just me saying that, it's behaviorally getting to me.

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Ejaaz:
I'm understanding it subconsciously and I'm like, yeah, you know what?

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Ejaaz:
This is going to be fun. So I'm bullish is what I'm saying.

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Josh:
Great. I am bullish too. My hot take before we leave, I'm just going to mic

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drop this is I think the agent is much more impressive and much more important

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than the AI powered browser.

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I think the browsers are kind of dumb. The agent hops right over the browser.

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Ejaaz:
That's probably where this goes. Dude, that was going to be you.

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Ejaaz:
That's going to be my take on the future episode.

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Josh:
I was going to show it. We're going to stop before we spoil it.

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Josh:
The browser episode is coming soon. As soon as we get access to Comet,

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we want to use Comet from Complexity.

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We're working on getting access to it. Once we do, we will have a fully comprehensive

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episode covering AI browsers.

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But for now, that was OpenAI's agent feature.

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Josh:
I would encourage you if you have a plus plan, which is the $20 a month plan.

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Go check it out. Give it a try. See where it can automate parts of your life.

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Josh:
See where it improves it. See where it detracts from it. I don't know.

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Josh:
I'd love to hear feedback. I'm sure both Ejaz and I would love to hear more

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Josh:
examples of how you're using it.

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Because at the end of the day, the only real constraint on this is the creativity

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that you use when you're using it. So I hope you enjoyed it.

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Josh:
That has been another episode. We will be back again soon talking about more

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Josh:
AI news in the future. I'll talk to you guys soon.

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