1 00:00:02,830 --> 00:00:03,033 [Ian Landsman]: Hello? 2 00:00:04,706 --> 00:00:09,227 [Aaron]: Welcome back. We're gonna start right away. I got a bone to pick with you, Ian. 3 00:00:09,695 --> 00:00:10,779 [Ian Landsman]: Oh baby, 4 00:00:10,447 --> 00:00:12,848 [Aaron]: Yeah, welcome home from vacation. 5 00:00:12,366 --> 00:00:13,090 [Ian Landsman]: I love some 6 00:00:12,988 --> 00:00:15,449 [Aaron]: You said 7 00:00:13,893 --> 00:00:14,656 [Ian Landsman]: controversy. 8 00:00:15,489 --> 00:00:20,090 [Aaron]: on Twitter that Taylor Swift is the greatest business person of her generation, 9 00:00:20,670 --> 00:00:27,732 [Aaron]: as if Taylor Swift and I weren't born in 1989, the same year. So here's the issue. 10 00:00:28,252 --> 00:00:30,293 [Aaron]: If we're judging by money or 11 00:00:30,256 --> 00:00:30,477 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 12 00:00:30,373 --> 00:00:35,904 [Aaron]: sold out stadiums or... Cultural Impact or 13 00:00:35,446 --> 00:00:36,619 [Ian Landsman]: Sure. 14 00:00:36,364 --> 00:00:42,069 [Aaron]: Platinum Albums? Sure, fine, she's the best. If we're judging by maintained and 15 00:00:42,129 --> 00:00:46,513 [Aaron]: half maintained GitHub repos, I'm on the list. I 16 00:00:46,626 --> 00:00:47,067 [Ian Landsman]: You're out 17 00:00:47,074 --> 00:00:47,334 [Aaron]: gotta 18 00:00:47,107 --> 00:00:49,009 [Ian Landsman]: there. 19 00:00:47,354 --> 00:00:48,695 [Aaron]: be above her, right? 20 00:00:49,029 --> 00:00:50,451 [Ian Landsman]: You have to be right? I think 21 00:00:50,237 --> 00:00:50,717 [Aaron]: Okay, 22 00:00:50,511 --> 00:00:51,252 [Ian Landsman]: so. I 23 00:00:51,238 --> 00:00:51,398 [Aaron]: so 24 00:00:51,272 --> 00:00:52,013 [Ian Landsman]: can't imagine 25 00:00:51,518 --> 00:00:52,559 [Aaron]: I guess my point 26 00:00:52,333 --> 00:00:52,493 [Ian Landsman]: her. 27 00:00:52,759 --> 00:00:55,201 [Aaron]: is, what are we judging on is the question. 28 00:00:55,922 --> 00:00:59,226 [Ian Landsman]: I can't imagine her GitHub repo game is as strong as yours, right? Like 29 00:00:59,238 --> 00:00:59,881 [Aaron]: I appreciate 30 00:00:59,527 --> 00:01:00,128 [Ian Landsman]: I just can't. 31 00:00:59,921 --> 00:01:00,222 [Aaron]: that. 32 00:01:00,548 --> 00:01:01,129 [Ian Landsman]: I just can't. 33 00:01:00,925 --> 00:01:04,981 [Aaron]: I was just looking for a little, like, a little nuance to the conversation. 34 00:01:06,294 --> 00:01:10,529 [Ian Landsman]: Oh man, yeah, I know it's, uh, she's so good. I don't know, but yeah. 35 00:01:10,646 --> 00:01:19,715 [Aaron]: So she's now selling, she's now outselling like Avengers in pre, what is it? She's doing 36 00:01:20,415 --> 00:01:22,577 [Aaron]: a concert movie that she's pre-selling? 37 00:01:23,174 --> 00:01:26,616 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, so she's had like the biggest concert series ever over this past 38 00:01:26,656 --> 00:01:30,918 [Ian Landsman]: year. And it actually continues into next year. But, uh, you know, tickets 39 00:01:31,018 --> 00:01:35,061 [Ian Landsman]: are, I don't know, a friend of mine, uh, just bought tickets for like $3,000 40 00:01:35,641 --> 00:01:38,623 [Ian Landsman]: a ticket for next November. So, I mean, it's 41 00:01:38,498 --> 00:01:38,639 [Aaron]: Oh 42 00:01:38,683 --> 00:01:38,903 [Ian Landsman]: insane. 43 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:39,282 [Aaron]: my gosh. 44 00:01:39,123 --> 00:01:46,419 [Ian Landsman]: Um, and so she's been on this tour. and she's been recording, you know, obviously 45 00:01:46,479 --> 00:01:48,480 [Ian Landsman]: she's recording videos of herself. I think 46 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:48,931 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 47 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,881 [Ian Landsman]: all artists do this, like they record the audio and the video, whatever, just 48 00:01:51,921 --> 00:01:55,403 [Ian Landsman]: in case they ever wanna use it for something. But she's obviously got more 49 00:01:55,423 --> 00:02:01,606 [Ian Landsman]: of a plan than that, and she's releasing it in the movie theaters. So you 50 00:02:01,646 --> 00:02:04,967 [Ian Landsman]: can go see it in this break of the tour over the winter, she's not 51 00:02:04,986 --> 00:02:05,479 [Aaron]: Amazing. 52 00:02:05,007 --> 00:02:09,269 [Ian Landsman]: performing till next spring, she's gonna have the movie, so people who can't 53 00:02:09,369 --> 00:02:15,052 [Ian Landsman]: spend $3,000 can go see it in the movie theater 20 bucks or whatever. So 54 00:02:15,532 --> 00:02:16,993 [Ian Landsman]: I of course got tickets to go see 55 00:02:16,928 --> 00:02:16,990 [Aaron]: Of 56 00:02:17,013 --> 00:02:17,093 [Ian Landsman]: it 57 00:02:17,031 --> 00:02:17,359 [Aaron]: course, 58 00:02:17,113 --> 00:02:17,894 [Ian Landsman]: in IMAX. 59 00:02:17,441 --> 00:02:17,666 [Aaron]: yeah! 60 00:02:19,515 --> 00:02:21,856 [Ian Landsman]: You know, I need a seven story Taylor Swift 61 00:02:21,778 --> 00:02:22,458 [Aaron]: Of course. 62 00:02:22,496 --> 00:02:24,537 [Ian Landsman]: and yeah, I'm pretty excited about 63 00:02:24,399 --> 00:02:24,820 [Aaron]: Yep. 64 00:02:24,577 --> 00:02:24,777 [Ian Landsman]: that. 65 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:28,102 [Aaron]: My wife and several of our friends went to the tour and they 66 00:02:28,011 --> 00:02:28,341 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 67 00:02:28,222 --> 00:02:31,624 [Aaron]: resurrected the group chat and were like, all right, when are we buying tickets 68 00:02:31,644 --> 00:02:34,065 [Aaron]: to go see the movie? It's like, yeah, of course 69 00:02:34,060 --> 00:02:34,160 [Ian Landsman]: You 70 00:02:34,085 --> 00:02:34,226 [Aaron]: they're 71 00:02:34,180 --> 00:02:34,461 [Ian Landsman]: gotta 72 00:02:34,246 --> 00:02:34,606 [Aaron]: going to go 73 00:02:34,481 --> 00:02:34,641 [Ian Landsman]: see 74 00:02:34,646 --> 00:02:36,267 [Aaron]: see 75 00:02:34,701 --> 00:02:36,386 [Ian Landsman]: it. Yeah. All the 76 00:02:36,327 --> 00:02:36,567 [Aaron]: it. 77 00:02:36,506 --> 00:02:36,767 [Ian Landsman]: angles 78 00:02:36,627 --> 00:02:37,107 [Aaron]: Yeah. 79 00:02:36,807 --> 00:02:37,309 [Ian Landsman]: you can see. 80 00:02:37,848 --> 00:02:43,712 [Aaron]: I think I saw AMC movie theaters said that they were like beefing up their infrastructure 81 00:02:44,212 --> 00:02:48,810 [Aaron]: so that they could start doing the presale. and somebody was like talking about 82 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:53,442 [Aaron]: how Taylor Swift is an ops queen because she's making all of these companies 83 00:02:52,525 --> 00:02:53,272 [Ian Landsman]: Hehehehe 84 00:02:53,582 --> 00:02:56,229 [Aaron]: increase their ops so that they can handle the rush. 85 00:02:56,950 --> 00:02:59,950 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, and that's what you were saying, is that AMC broke all kinds of records 86 00:02:59,970 --> 00:03:00,711 [Ian Landsman]: for presales 87 00:03:00,233 --> 00:03:00,417 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 88 00:03:00,731 --> 00:03:05,112 [Ian Landsman]: and things. And yeah, so I mean, she's just gonna print all the money. It's 89 00:03:05,152 --> 00:03:09,873 [Ian Landsman]: like, she's totally ready, right? She's had a plan. Like, I didn't even consider 90 00:03:09,893 --> 00:03:10,573 [Ian Landsman]: this. I don't think 91 00:03:10,529 --> 00:03:10,757 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 92 00:03:10,613 --> 00:03:14,594 [Ian Landsman]: many people even thought about it. I don't think anybody knew about it. And 93 00:03:14,614 --> 00:03:17,695 [Ian Landsman]: she just comes out of the blue, obviously well planned, not actually out of 94 00:03:17,715 --> 00:03:22,657 [Ian Landsman]: the blue. And it's like, boom, oh, tour's ended for this year. Here it is 95 00:03:22,677 --> 00:03:23,857 [Ian Landsman]: in the movie theater. Everybody 96 00:03:23,766 --> 00:03:25,147 [Aaron]: Yep. 97 00:03:23,877 --> 00:03:25,457 [Ian Landsman]: can go. And... 98 00:03:25,267 --> 00:03:28,550 [Aaron]: And super smart that she didn't cannibalize her own tour sales, because 99 00:03:28,530 --> 00:03:29,150 [Ian Landsman]: Yes, 100 00:03:28,570 --> 00:03:29,311 [Aaron]: it wasn't like, there 101 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:29,650 [Ian Landsman]: wait 102 00:03:29,351 --> 00:03:29,731 [Aaron]: will be 103 00:03:29,670 --> 00:03:30,190 [Ian Landsman]: on that. 104 00:03:29,751 --> 00:03:31,673 [Aaron]: a movie, you don't have to come. 105 00:03:31,711 --> 00:03:32,071 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 106 00:03:31,733 --> 00:03:31,893 [Aaron]: Nope. 107 00:03:32,711 --> 00:03:35,852 [Ian Landsman]: nope. She's and then while the iron's hot, right, while 108 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:35,913 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 109 00:03:36,033 --> 00:03:39,534 [Ian Landsman]: everybody's talking about it and it's a huge cultural moment, it's like, 110 00:03:39,674 --> 00:03:43,215 [Ian Landsman]: boom, nope, it keeps going. We're not stopping the train. Here's here's 111 00:03:43,255 --> 00:03:45,456 [Ian Landsman]: the movie version. And obviously, 112 00:03:45,143 --> 00:03:45,390 [Aaron]: Yeah. 113 00:03:45,476 --> 00:03:51,199 [Ian Landsman]: then there'll be the home version and blah, blah. And yeah, so I mean, it's just 114 00:03:51,219 --> 00:03:51,659 [Ian Landsman]: going to lead 115 00:03:51,598 --> 00:03:51,758 [Aaron]: Okay, 116 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:52,079 [Ian Landsman]: into 117 00:03:51,878 --> 00:03:52,558 [Aaron]: I will allow 118 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:52,599 [Ian Landsman]: next year. 119 00:03:52,638 --> 00:03:58,600 [Aaron]: it. I will allow her to edge me out for business person of the year 1989. That 120 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,641 [Aaron]: sounds fine to me. 121 00:03:59,658 --> 00:04:01,905 [Ian Landsman]: What an honor that you were born in the same 122 00:04:01,741 --> 00:04:02,161 [Aaron]: Right? 123 00:04:01,925 --> 00:04:02,849 [Ian Landsman]: year as Taylor Swift. 124 00:04:02,701 --> 00:04:03,281 [Aaron]: I know. 125 00:04:02,889 --> 00:04:04,574 [Ian Landsman]: That's, that's amazing. I wish 126 00:04:04,662 --> 00:04:04,742 [Aaron]: I 127 00:04:04,675 --> 00:04:04,875 [Ian Landsman]: I could 128 00:04:04,782 --> 00:04:05,242 [Aaron]: know. 129 00:04:04,916 --> 00:04:06,541 [Ian Landsman]: say that. Unbelievable. 130 00:04:06,142 --> 00:04:11,284 [Aaron]: I know. It's really it's an honor and it's also like, oh, dang, we're the same age. 131 00:04:11,984 --> 00:04:13,124 [Aaron]: Shoot, that sucks. 132 00:04:14,036 --> 00:04:17,266 [Ian Landsman]: She's a little ahead. 133 00:04:15,865 --> 00:04:17,533 [Aaron]: Yeah. We're playing a different game, 134 00:04:17,346 --> 00:04:17,587 [Ian Landsman]: Money 135 00:04:17,553 --> 00:04:17,754 [Aaron]: that's 136 00:04:17,607 --> 00:04:18,189 [Ian Landsman]: wise, 137 00:04:17,814 --> 00:04:18,617 [Aaron]: all. We're, yeah, 138 00:04:18,389 --> 00:04:18,971 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, different 139 00:04:18,778 --> 00:04:19,481 [Aaron]: money-wise, 140 00:04:18,991 --> 00:04:19,733 [Ian Landsman]: game. 141 00:04:19,742 --> 00:04:21,528 [Aaron]: not open source repo-wise. 142 00:04:21,986 --> 00:04:25,609 [Ian Landsman]: You know, if you listen to her songs, you know, she has not done so well in 143 00:04:25,629 --> 00:04:27,991 [Ian Landsman]: the love department. And I think you're ahead in the love 144 00:04:27,999 --> 00:04:28,219 [Aaron]: That 145 00:04:28,031 --> 00:04:28,471 [Ian Landsman]: department 146 00:04:28,260 --> 00:04:28,721 [Aaron]: is true. 147 00:04:28,531 --> 00:04:31,854 [Ian Landsman]: and the kid department and all the, that end of the world, you're in the lead. 148 00:04:32,182 --> 00:04:32,562 [Aaron]: That is 149 00:04:32,514 --> 00:04:32,995 [Ian Landsman]: You're 150 00:04:32,623 --> 00:04:33,124 [Aaron]: true, that is 151 00:04:33,035 --> 00:04:33,175 [Ian Landsman]: just 152 00:04:33,164 --> 00:04:33,184 [Aaron]: a 153 00:04:33,195 --> 00:04:33,475 [Ian Landsman]: behind 154 00:04:33,224 --> 00:04:33,625 [Aaron]: very good 155 00:04:33,515 --> 00:04:33,696 [Ian Landsman]: on the 156 00:04:33,665 --> 00:04:33,985 [Aaron]: point. 157 00:04:33,716 --> 00:04:35,017 [Ian Landsman]: money, but you're working on that. 158 00:04:34,967 --> 00:04:35,088 [Aaron]: But 159 00:04:35,057 --> 00:04:35,177 [Ian Landsman]: We 160 00:04:35,108 --> 00:04:35,288 [Aaron]: we'll 161 00:04:35,197 --> 00:04:35,337 [Ian Landsman]: got 162 00:04:35,308 --> 00:04:35,469 [Aaron]: get 163 00:04:35,357 --> 00:04:35,697 [Ian Landsman]: you there. 164 00:04:35,489 --> 00:04:36,611 [Aaron]: there, yeah. 165 00:04:36,138 --> 00:04:36,498 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 166 00:04:37,132 --> 00:04:41,561 [Aaron]: We'll get there, y'all come to my movie. Okay, so you're back. 167 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:44,570 [Ian Landsman]: I'm back and you're back. This 168 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:44,791 [Aaron]: We're all 169 00:04:44,670 --> 00:04:44,910 [Ian Landsman]: is the 170 00:04:44,831 --> 00:04:45,232 [Aaron]: back. 171 00:04:44,950 --> 00:04:46,291 [Ian Landsman]: first episode that we're in 172 00:04:46,355 --> 00:04:46,756 [Aaron]: Uh-huh. 173 00:04:46,411 --> 00:04:48,771 [Ian Landsman]: our, both in home turf. So 174 00:04:48,441 --> 00:04:49,103 [Aaron]: That's right. 175 00:04:48,871 --> 00:04:49,732 [Ian Landsman]: this is exciting. 176 00:04:50,386 --> 00:04:50,787 [Aaron]: How was the 177 00:04:50,772 --> 00:04:51,112 [Ian Landsman]: Proper 178 00:04:50,827 --> 00:04:51,128 [Aaron]: return 179 00:04:51,132 --> 00:04:51,772 [Ian Landsman]: cameras. 180 00:04:51,168 --> 00:04:51,409 [Aaron]: home? 181 00:04:53,032 --> 00:04:55,773 [Ian Landsman]: Good. We also had a long, you know, you were on a long trip. This 182 00:04:55,730 --> 00:04:55,915 [Aaron]: Yeah. 183 00:04:55,793 --> 00:05:00,135 [Ian Landsman]: is like the longest trip, like road trip, I think we've really ever taken 184 00:05:00,435 --> 00:05:04,856 [Ian Landsman]: down to the Outer Banks. So that was a bit of a haul, but the kids are 185 00:05:04,876 --> 00:05:08,917 [Ian Landsman]: big now. So it wasn't too bad, not too much fighting and crying and stuff 186 00:05:08,937 --> 00:05:09,737 [Ian Landsman]: like that. Everybody's... 187 00:05:09,422 --> 00:05:09,871 [Aaron]: That's good. 188 00:05:11,042 --> 00:05:12,483 [Ian Landsman]: humanoid now, which is awesome. 189 00:05:12,346 --> 00:05:14,206 [Aaron]: Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe 190 00:05:12,503 --> 00:05:19,829 [Ian Landsman]: And so, uh, yeah. So we actually stopped in DC both ways to, uh, just like break 191 00:05:19,869 --> 00:05:23,912 [Ian Landsman]: up the trip to avoid the 11 or 12 hours straight through. Um, and 192 00:05:23,906 --> 00:05:24,006 [Aaron]: Did 193 00:05:23,933 --> 00:05:24,173 [Ian Landsman]: that 194 00:05:24,026 --> 00:05:24,247 [Aaron]: y'all do 195 00:05:24,193 --> 00:05:24,373 [Ian Landsman]: worked 196 00:05:24,267 --> 00:05:24,487 [Aaron]: any 197 00:05:24,413 --> 00:05:27,135 [Ian Landsman]: out nice. 198 00:05:24,628 --> 00:05:26,633 [Aaron]: like sightseeing or was it just overnight? 199 00:05:27,195 --> 00:05:30,418 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. The first, the way down, we did do say singing. We've been there a few 200 00:05:30,458 --> 00:05:33,401 [Ian Landsman]: times before, but, um, you know, kind of walked the national mall, 201 00:05:33,539 --> 00:05:33,749 [Aaron]: Yeah. 202 00:05:33,661 --> 00:05:39,650 [Ian Landsman]: I love the Lincoln Memorial. It's my favorite. So hit up Lincoln. Um, did 203 00:05:39,670 --> 00:05:44,054 [Ian Landsman]: that kind of area. And then I know we went out to dinner, whatnot. And 204 00:05:44,094 --> 00:05:50,621 [Ian Landsman]: then way back, we were gonna go to the postal museum. We didn't even realize 205 00:05:50,641 --> 00:05:51,281 [Ian Landsman]: there was a postal 206 00:05:51,023 --> 00:05:51,188 [Aaron]: Oh. 207 00:05:51,321 --> 00:05:53,984 [Ian Landsman]: museum. We were like, oh, postal museum. But anyway, it didn't happen. 208 00:05:53,722 --> 00:05:54,143 [Aaron]: What is that? 209 00:05:54,084 --> 00:05:54,284 [Ian Landsman]: We got 210 00:05:54,203 --> 00:05:54,384 [Aaron]: Just 211 00:05:54,304 --> 00:05:54,444 [Ian Landsman]: there 212 00:05:54,404 --> 00:05:54,624 [Aaron]: a bunch 213 00:05:54,464 --> 00:05:54,605 [Ian Landsman]: too 214 00:05:54,664 --> 00:05:54,724 [Aaron]: of 215 00:05:54,665 --> 00:05:54,905 [Ian Landsman]: late. 216 00:05:54,764 --> 00:05:55,947 [Aaron]: letters? Or what do 217 00:05:55,886 --> 00:05:56,226 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 218 00:05:55,967 --> 00:05:56,268 [Aaron]: they have 219 00:05:56,246 --> 00:05:56,326 [Ian Landsman]: this 220 00:05:56,288 --> 00:05:56,528 [Aaron]: there? 221 00:05:56,346 --> 00:05:59,630 [Ian Landsman]: is what the kids theory was. Like it's just stamps. 222 00:05:59,755 --> 00:06:00,156 [Aaron]: That's just 223 00:06:00,030 --> 00:06:00,190 [Ian Landsman]: Not 224 00:06:00,196 --> 00:06:00,476 [Aaron]: lost 225 00:06:00,210 --> 00:06:00,691 [Ian Landsman]: going to see 226 00:06:00,536 --> 00:06:00,817 [Aaron]: mail. 227 00:06:00,731 --> 00:06:05,059 [Ian Landsman]: just stamps. Yeah, it's all lost mail. So I don't know what's there because 228 00:06:05,119 --> 00:06:06,720 [Ian Landsman]: I didn't get to it because we got 229 00:06:06,511 --> 00:06:06,902 [Aaron]: Oh, well. 230 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,163 [Ian Landsman]: going kind of late and then it wasn't gonna work out. So everybody was 231 00:06:10,183 --> 00:06:15,368 [Ian Landsman]: exhausted. But we just went into the hotel. I played poker because there 232 00:06:15,388 --> 00:06:15,608 [Ian Landsman]: was a 233 00:06:16,066 --> 00:06:16,189 [Aaron]: Did 234 00:06:16,168 --> 00:06:16,829 [Ian Landsman]: reasonable 235 00:06:16,210 --> 00:06:16,538 [Aaron]: you win? 236 00:06:17,750 --> 00:06:21,934 [Ian Landsman]: casino there. I lost a few hundred dollars, so not too 237 00:06:21,859 --> 00:06:22,001 [Aaron]: Ah! 238 00:06:21,974 --> 00:06:26,237 [Ian Landsman]: bad. But I did play like a super long session and it was a good game. Like there 239 00:06:26,257 --> 00:06:29,801 [Ian Landsman]: was, it was a great game actually, but I just couldn't find the right spots. 240 00:06:30,334 --> 00:06:34,539 [Aaron]: If I know anything about gambling and I don't, the strategy is you should chase your 241 00:06:34,559 --> 00:06:36,101 [Aaron]: losses. I think that's what you're supposed 242 00:06:36,106 --> 00:06:36,430 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 243 00:06:36,121 --> 00:06:36,381 [Aaron]: to do. 244 00:06:36,450 --> 00:06:36,632 [Ian Landsman]: Ha ha 245 00:06:36,601 --> 00:06:36,741 [Aaron]: Like 246 00:06:36,653 --> 00:06:36,713 [Ian Landsman]: ha. 247 00:06:36,781 --> 00:06:39,845 [Aaron]: if you're down, you just keep playing and eventually it turns around. 248 00:06:40,382 --> 00:06:45,046 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, so I mean, this is sort of the level, it was like a five, 10 for those 249 00:06:45,066 --> 00:06:48,970 [Ian Landsman]: of you who play poker. So $300 loss is actually like almost kind of even, 250 00:06:49,010 --> 00:06:49,650 [Ian Landsman]: which is fine. 251 00:06:49,322 --> 00:06:51,971 [Aaron]: Yeah, 510, that feels like a lot. 252 00:06:52,633 --> 00:06:53,054 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 253 00:06:52,834 --> 00:06:53,175 [Aaron]: Feels like 254 00:06:53,074 --> 00:06:53,254 [Ian Landsman]: that's 255 00:06:53,195 --> 00:06:53,215 [Aaron]: a 256 00:06:53,274 --> 00:06:53,294 [Ian Landsman]: a 257 00:06:53,275 --> 00:06:53,436 [Aaron]: big 258 00:06:53,334 --> 00:06:53,554 [Ian Landsman]: bigger 259 00:06:53,476 --> 00:06:53,897 [Aaron]: game. 260 00:06:53,594 --> 00:06:56,577 [Ian Landsman]: game than I normally play, yeah. So, 261 00:06:55,523 --> 00:06:56,025 [Aaron]: Jeez. 262 00:06:56,597 --> 00:06:58,839 [Ian Landsman]: but you know, when I have these opportunities to play bigger games, I like 263 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:02,523 [Ian Landsman]: to take it because like where I play locally never has that. So, 264 00:07:02,327 --> 00:07:02,596 [Aaron]: Yeah. 265 00:07:03,684 --> 00:07:08,320 [Ian Landsman]: that was good. But we went to Topgolf. That's the thing we did that 266 00:07:08,435 --> 00:07:08,517 [Aaron]: Oh 267 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:08,620 [Ian Landsman]: night. 268 00:07:08,578 --> 00:07:08,862 [Aaron]: nice. 269 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,583 [Ian Landsman]: We went to Topgolf, which that was another first. So we did the Waffle House, 270 00:07:11,643 --> 00:07:13,125 [Ian Landsman]: first time at Waffle House, first 271 00:07:12,999 --> 00:07:13,328 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 272 00:07:13,165 --> 00:07:17,830 [Ian Landsman]: time at Topgolf. And that was a lot of fun. Food was better than I expected. 273 00:07:19,312 --> 00:07:22,996 [Ian Landsman]: And whatever, just get out there and smack the golf ball around a bit. 274 00:07:22,954 --> 00:07:23,254 [Aaron]: Yeah, 275 00:07:23,056 --> 00:07:23,537 [Ian Landsman]: So that was cool. 276 00:07:23,595 --> 00:07:28,261 [Aaron]: it's fun. It's fun that they bring the food and drink out to you. And 277 00:07:27,358 --> 00:07:28,443 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, just gonna hang 278 00:07:28,502 --> 00:07:28,682 [Aaron]: it's 279 00:07:28,564 --> 00:07:28,745 [Ian Landsman]: out. 280 00:07:28,842 --> 00:07:31,967 [Aaron]: like, you know, it's bar food, but it's so fun. I don't even 281 00:07:31,850 --> 00:07:32,010 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 282 00:07:31,987 --> 00:07:32,167 [Aaron]: like 283 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:33,150 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 284 00:07:32,187 --> 00:07:33,269 [Aaron]: golf, but it's a lot 285 00:07:33,211 --> 00:07:33,451 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 286 00:07:33,309 --> 00:07:33,569 [Aaron]: of fun. 287 00:07:34,612 --> 00:07:38,614 [Ian Landsman]: I don't love golf either. My middle kid is kind of in this. I don't know. 288 00:07:38,634 --> 00:07:42,477 [Ian Landsman]: He's picked up golf in the last month and he's kind of super in the zone on 289 00:07:42,537 --> 00:07:43,058 [Ian Landsman]: it. So 290 00:07:43,642 --> 00:07:43,930 [Aaron]: That's fun. 291 00:07:44,018 --> 00:07:48,782 [Ian Landsman]: he was all jazzed and, um, yeah, it was good. That was good. So, but good to 292 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:49,502 [Ian Landsman]: be back. I have like 293 00:07:49,582 --> 00:07:49,982 [Aaron]: Good. 294 00:07:49,602 --> 00:07:51,083 [Ian Landsman]: 8 million things to do. 295 00:07:51,023 --> 00:07:51,945 [Aaron]: Yeah, that's what I was gonna 296 00:07:51,924 --> 00:07:52,304 [Ian Landsman]: Um, 297 00:07:52,105 --> 00:07:53,046 [Aaron]: ask. How's the return 298 00:07:52,825 --> 00:07:53,225 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 299 00:07:53,086 --> 00:07:53,206 [Aaron]: to 300 00:07:53,285 --> 00:07:53,485 [Ian Landsman]: So. 301 00:07:53,947 --> 00:07:55,449 [Aaron]: the office life for you? 302 00:07:56,906 --> 00:07:58,646 [Ian Landsman]: Man, it's been a crazy morning 303 00:07:58,655 --> 00:07:58,919 [Aaron]: Yeah. 304 00:07:58,666 --> 00:08:02,467 [Ian Landsman]: already. This is the first day back. It's absolutely bananas. We're doing 305 00:08:02,487 --> 00:08:08,089 [Ian Landsman]: this like, for HelpSpot, we're rolling out this new store. So HelpSpot has, 306 00:08:08,149 --> 00:08:12,030 [Ian Landsman]: it's not like a regular SaaS app or in the app you do things. It's got this 307 00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:16,972 [Ian Landsman]: whole store set up that's separate from the app. Because we, partially because 308 00:08:17,012 --> 00:08:18,272 [Ian Landsman]: it's ancient and so that's 309 00:08:18,278 --> 00:08:18,586 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 310 00:08:18,292 --> 00:08:21,033 [Ian Landsman]: like how you did things in the old days when you had on-premise apps, but 311 00:08:21,113 --> 00:08:26,600 [Ian Landsman]: also. We do a lot of other stuff that isn't even that easy to do with Stripe, 312 00:08:26,660 --> 00:08:28,502 [Ian Landsman]: even still like invoicing, 313 00:08:27,883 --> 00:08:28,009 [Aaron]: Mmm. 314 00:08:28,562 --> 00:08:31,104 [Ian Landsman]: I know they do invoicing, but we handle all kinds of different types of payment 315 00:08:31,124 --> 00:08:31,665 [Ian Landsman]: and you can send us a 316 00:08:31,671 --> 00:08:31,897 [Aaron]: Yeah. 317 00:08:31,705 --> 00:08:36,489 [Ian Landsman]: check and whatever, blah, blah. So we have our own thing for that. And so that's 318 00:08:36,529 --> 00:08:38,430 [Ian Landsman]: a new version that's rolling out today. And in the middle 319 00:08:38,222 --> 00:08:38,669 [Aaron]: today. 320 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:42,334 [Ian Landsman]: of that. Yeah. So they're working on that. The guys are cranking away on that. 321 00:08:42,394 --> 00:08:47,378 [Ian Landsman]: And then, uh, I come back to like other, other decisions I made before I 322 00:08:47,438 --> 00:08:50,961 [Ian Landsman]: left that I don't love, so I'm fixing those decisions and then, 323 00:08:51,022 --> 00:08:51,104 [Aaron]: Ah, 324 00:08:51,121 --> 00:08:51,421 [Ian Landsman]: um, 325 00:08:51,165 --> 00:08:51,532 [Aaron]: yes. 326 00:08:52,286 --> 00:08:57,528 [Ian Landsman]: And then, uh, and then in the middle of all that, I got one of these emails 327 00:08:57,568 --> 00:09:03,730 [Ian Landsman]: where like, so I've had IanLansman.com for whatever, 20 something years, right? 328 00:09:03,979 --> 00:09:04,126 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 329 00:09:04,751 --> 00:09:13,234 [Ian Landsman]: And one of these Reuters images, you know, copyright royalty 330 00:09:12,361 --> 00:09:12,444 [Aaron]: Mm. 331 00:09:13,514 --> 00:09:20,177 [Ian Landsman]: services, uh, has hunted me down and found an image I used in 2005. 332 00:09:21,412 --> 00:09:21,475 [Aaron]: Hmm. 333 00:09:21,618 --> 00:09:24,920 [Ian Landsman]: on a blog post and they want, you know, $2,000. So 334 00:09:24,863 --> 00:09:25,167 [Aaron]: What? 335 00:09:26,081 --> 00:09:28,603 [Ian Landsman]: now I gotta go through all that headache. So I like took 336 00:09:28,616 --> 00:09:29,063 [Aaron]: What? 337 00:09:28,643 --> 00:09:32,546 [Ian Landsman]: that down. But of course, like my site is built on like an ancient version 338 00:09:32,566 --> 00:09:35,088 [Ian Landsman]: of Jigsaw. So even just taking down 339 00:09:35,113 --> 00:09:35,215 [Aaron]: Oh 340 00:09:35,148 --> 00:09:35,788 [Ian Landsman]: the page 341 00:09:35,296 --> 00:09:35,620 [Aaron]: yeah. 342 00:09:35,808 --> 00:09:36,308 [Ian Landsman]: was like, 343 00:09:36,268 --> 00:09:36,409 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 344 00:09:36,449 --> 00:09:40,532 [Ian Landsman]: I had to like update the whole thing and like whatever. So I got that done, 345 00:09:40,872 --> 00:09:41,192 [Ian Landsman]: got 346 00:09:41,526 --> 00:09:41,907 [Aaron]: Wait, 347 00:09:41,672 --> 00:09:42,053 [Ian Landsman]: the page 348 00:09:41,967 --> 00:09:42,349 [Aaron]: so 349 00:09:42,093 --> 00:09:42,633 [Ian Landsman]: taken down. 350 00:09:42,489 --> 00:09:47,729 [Aaron]: somebody tracked you down for... What is it? I guess a copyright violation? 351 00:09:47,826 --> 00:09:54,851 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, like I embedded a Reuters image in a blog post in 2005. Um, probably 352 00:09:54,891 --> 00:09:58,814 [Ian Landsman]: just, yeah, not obviously intentionally, uh, from somewhere else 353 00:09:58,693 --> 00:09:58,954 [Aaron]: Yeah, it 354 00:09:58,854 --> 00:09:59,074 [Ian Landsman]: that 355 00:09:58,974 --> 00:09:59,276 [Aaron]: was 2005, 356 00:09:59,174 --> 00:09:59,874 [Ian Landsman]: presumably. 357 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:01,368 [Aaron]: it was run and gun, baby. 358 00:10:02,016 --> 00:10:05,679 [Ian Landsman]: I know. So they have these services. You know, this is just the way they're making 359 00:10:06,059 --> 00:10:10,282 [Ian Landsman]: who knows. I'm sure they make millions of dollars a quarter on juicing their 360 00:10:10,302 --> 00:10:14,165 [Ian Landsman]: numbers by hunting down random blog posts and sending threatening letters. 361 00:10:14,245 --> 00:10:14,405 [Ian Landsman]: So. 362 00:10:15,022 --> 00:10:17,133 [Aaron]: So are you free and clear now? Are you just gonna ignore it? 363 00:10:17,546 --> 00:10:19,888 [Ian Landsman]: I mean, it just happened this morning. I took it down. You are absolutely 364 00:10:19,948 --> 00:10:21,830 [Ian Landsman]: not free and clear when 365 00:10:21,816 --> 00:10:21,997 [Aaron]: This 366 00:10:21,850 --> 00:10:22,151 [Ian Landsman]: you take 367 00:10:22,057 --> 00:10:22,198 [Aaron]: is 368 00:10:22,191 --> 00:10:22,251 [Ian Landsman]: it 369 00:10:22,258 --> 00:10:22,539 [Aaron]: legal 370 00:10:22,271 --> 00:10:22,571 [Ian Landsman]: down. 371 00:10:22,579 --> 00:10:26,497 [Aaron]: advice, so yeah, if you're paying attention, we're both attorneys for sure. 372 00:10:26,936 --> 00:10:32,222 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, so I think, you know, whatever. It's one of these games, right? Where 373 00:10:32,262 --> 00:10:36,987 [Ian Landsman]: like, I'm always gonna push back on them. Hopefully they cut it down a 374 00:10:37,007 --> 00:10:42,596 [Ian Landsman]: little bit. Do I think? I could win in court. Like, I mean, I don't know, probably 375 00:10:42,676 --> 00:10:44,298 [Ian Landsman]: not, to be honest with you, because like, 376 00:10:44,162 --> 00:10:45,798 [Aaron]: Hmm. 377 00:10:44,378 --> 00:10:46,040 [Ian Landsman]: I use this image, it was there. 378 00:10:45,859 --> 00:10:46,020 [Aaron]: Yeah. 379 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:51,125 [Ian Landsman]: Um, you know, obviously when it's a thousand dollars or let's say we get 380 00:10:51,165 --> 00:10:53,507 [Ian Landsman]: down to like a thousand dollars, like, 381 00:10:52,666 --> 00:10:52,832 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 382 00:10:53,527 --> 00:10:57,190 [Ian Landsman]: can I hire a lawyer and fight them for a thousand dollars? Do I want to like 383 00:10:57,210 --> 00:11:00,133 [Ian Landsman]: go through? Right. So it's this whole thing. The main thing I was worried about 384 00:11:00,153 --> 00:11:02,435 [Ian Landsman]: is, is it even real? So 385 00:11:02,189 --> 00:11:02,420 [Aaron]: Right. 386 00:11:02,535 --> 00:11:06,730 [Ian Landsman]: I went through all that. It does seem to be real. So I don't know. It's 387 00:11:06,750 --> 00:11:07,731 [Ian Landsman]: like this game where 388 00:11:07,642 --> 00:11:07,783 [Aaron]: She 389 00:11:07,791 --> 00:11:07,931 [Ian Landsman]: it's 390 00:11:07,924 --> 00:11:08,367 [Aaron]: is. 391 00:11:07,951 --> 00:11:09,993 [Ian Landsman]: not enough money to fight it. So 392 00:11:09,779 --> 00:11:10,061 [Aaron]: Right? 393 00:11:10,013 --> 00:11:14,536 [Ian Landsman]: you're just kinda stuck paying the ransom for this ridiculous blog post that 394 00:11:14,596 --> 00:11:15,517 [Ian Landsman]: nobody's ever seen. 395 00:11:16,153 --> 00:11:16,426 [Aaron]: Right. 396 00:11:16,658 --> 00:11:21,958 [Ian Landsman]: And even when it was new in 2005, 50 people saw it. Whatever. So I went 397 00:11:21,978 --> 00:11:23,818 [Ian Landsman]: through every other image that's up there in my 398 00:11:23,767 --> 00:11:23,992 [Aaron]: Oh gosh. 399 00:11:23,918 --> 00:11:27,440 [Ian Landsman]: ancient history of blogs, uh, and made sure there was nothing else to lead 400 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,181 [Ian Landsman]: a few things that whatever I knew they weren't my images. Uh, I don't think 401 00:11:31,281 --> 00:11:34,082 [Ian Landsman]: they didn't seem good enough to be Reuters images, 402 00:11:33,654 --> 00:11:34,121 [Aaron]: I'm sorry. 403 00:11:34,162 --> 00:11:40,384 [Ian Landsman]: but whatever they were just whatever delete them. So anyway, so that's 404 00:11:40,270 --> 00:11:40,570 [Aaron]: Wow, 405 00:11:40,404 --> 00:11:40,704 [Ian Landsman]: been my 406 00:11:40,630 --> 00:11:40,950 [Aaron]: welcome 407 00:11:40,744 --> 00:11:41,184 [Ian Landsman]: crazy 408 00:11:40,990 --> 00:11:41,251 [Aaron]: home, 409 00:11:41,224 --> 00:11:41,564 [Ian Landsman]: return 410 00:11:41,291 --> 00:11:42,012 [Aaron]: that sucks. 411 00:11:41,584 --> 00:11:43,865 [Ian Landsman]: to work. Exactly. So 412 00:11:43,814 --> 00:11:43,954 [Aaron]: Now 413 00:11:43,885 --> 00:11:44,045 [Ian Landsman]: how's 414 00:11:43,974 --> 00:11:44,915 [Aaron]: I'm thinking 415 00:11:44,085 --> 00:11:44,465 [Ian Landsman]: things with you? 416 00:11:45,076 --> 00:11:49,781 [Aaron]: we should start a business that exploits those images and 417 00:11:49,847 --> 00:11:49,991 [Ian Landsman]: Ha ha. 418 00:11:50,622 --> 00:11:52,925 [Aaron]: emails and demands payment. That sounds pretty awesome. 419 00:11:53,138 --> 00:11:55,800 [Ian Landsman]: This is exactly what my wife said. She's like, we needed one of these gigs. 420 00:11:55,820 --> 00:11:56,221 [Ian Landsman]: I'm like, 421 00:11:56,221 --> 00:11:56,508 [Aaron]: Yeah. 422 00:11:56,661 --> 00:12:02,147 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. Or what about we take the white hat version of that, a service that 423 00:12:02,247 --> 00:12:04,449 [Ian Landsman]: checks your websites and says, hey, 424 00:12:04,309 --> 00:12:04,816 [Aaron]: Okay. 425 00:12:04,689 --> 00:12:07,812 [Ian Landsman]: some of these images look a little iffy. You might want to clean this up 426 00:12:07,872 --> 00:12:11,536 [Ian Landsman]: before these bad guys get ahold 427 00:12:11,394 --> 00:12:11,774 [Aaron]: before 428 00:12:11,556 --> 00:12:11,736 [Ian Landsman]: of you. 429 00:12:11,794 --> 00:12:12,354 [Aaron]: we sell 430 00:12:12,157 --> 00:12:12,377 [Ian Landsman]: So, 431 00:12:12,394 --> 00:12:14,174 [Aaron]: the lead to the bad guys who are 432 00:12:14,179 --> 00:12:15,480 [Ian Landsman]: right. 433 00:12:14,194 --> 00:12:16,775 [Aaron]: gonna sue you. 434 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:16,401 [Ian Landsman]: Right, exactly. 435 00:12:16,855 --> 00:12:19,516 [Aaron]: I think that's like a protection racket. So 436 00:12:19,642 --> 00:12:20,043 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 437 00:12:20,056 --> 00:12:20,396 [Aaron]: yeah, 438 00:12:20,784 --> 00:12:21,025 [Ian Landsman]: I love 439 00:12:20,956 --> 00:12:21,496 [Aaron]: probably 440 00:12:21,065 --> 00:12:21,947 [Ian Landsman]: a good gangster, 441 00:12:21,556 --> 00:12:23,357 [Aaron]: no good there. Yeah, 442 00:12:22,448 --> 00:12:24,191 [Ian Landsman]: gangster thing. You know, I'm big 443 00:12:24,217 --> 00:12:26,058 [Aaron]: yeah, 444 00:12:24,231 --> 00:12:24,873 [Ian Landsman]: on the gangsters. 445 00:12:26,118 --> 00:12:30,419 [Aaron]: yeah. Things are good over here. We tried to do potty training for the kids over 446 00:12:30,439 --> 00:12:35,980 [Aaron]: the weekend. Just total epic disaster. Just 447 00:12:35,042 --> 00:12:35,552 [Ian Landsman]: Ha ha ha. 448 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,221 [Aaron]: not even close to working. 449 00:12:40,823 --> 00:12:41,075 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 450 00:12:41,202 --> 00:12:45,983 [Aaron]: Um, so we didn't, uh, let's see, we didn't fail. We're just going to try again 451 00:12:46,023 --> 00:12:47,984 [Aaron]: later. We, we put, 452 00:12:48,012 --> 00:12:48,201 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 453 00:12:48,604 --> 00:12:52,666 [Aaron]: we put a hold on it and said, okay, this isn't, this isn't working. They are a 454 00:12:52,686 --> 00:12:54,127 [Aaron]: little young to be fair. And 455 00:12:54,130 --> 00:12:54,494 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 456 00:12:54,167 --> 00:12:59,789 [Aaron]: so we're just going to try again later. But boy, that was the worst. That was not great. 457 00:13:00,569 --> 00:13:01,689 [Aaron]: That was super not great. 458 00:13:02,145 --> 00:13:05,693 [Ian Landsman]: Do they have an interest yet or they're not really interested? 459 00:13:06,611 --> 00:13:08,132 [Aaron]: Um, they're not really interested. 460 00:13:08,050 --> 00:13:08,490 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 461 00:13:08,333 --> 00:13:08,953 [Aaron]: I'll be honest. 462 00:13:08,730 --> 00:13:09,010 [Ian Landsman]: I think 463 00:13:09,013 --> 00:13:09,194 [Aaron]: They're 464 00:13:09,171 --> 00:13:09,291 [Ian Landsman]: it's 465 00:13:09,214 --> 00:13:09,374 [Aaron]: just 466 00:13:09,331 --> 00:13:09,731 [Ian Landsman]: hard 467 00:13:09,434 --> 00:13:09,894 [Aaron]: interested 468 00:13:09,791 --> 00:13:10,011 [Ian Landsman]: until 469 00:13:09,954 --> 00:13:10,034 [Aaron]: in 470 00:13:10,031 --> 00:13:10,231 [Ian Landsman]: they're 471 00:13:10,075 --> 00:13:10,275 [Aaron]: like 472 00:13:10,272 --> 00:13:10,832 [Ian Landsman]: interested. 473 00:13:10,335 --> 00:13:11,316 [Aaron]: peeing on the floor. 474 00:13:11,673 --> 00:13:12,133 [Ian Landsman]: Right, 475 00:13:11,937 --> 00:13:12,457 [Aaron]: And it's like, 476 00:13:12,233 --> 00:13:12,554 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 477 00:13:13,078 --> 00:13:13,639 [Aaron]: okay, 478 00:13:14,075 --> 00:13:17,738 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 479 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:18,664 [Aaron]: this is gross. Yeah, not a huge fan of that. I'll be honest. 480 00:13:18,999 --> 00:13:22,342 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, until they get the interest, until they're showing interest in like the 481 00:13:22,382 --> 00:13:23,423 [Ian Landsman]: toilet and stuff, I feel 482 00:13:23,319 --> 00:13:23,586 [Aaron]: Yeah. 483 00:13:23,443 --> 00:13:25,905 [Ian Landsman]: like it's kind of, it's gonna be rough there. 484 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:31,494 [Aaron]: Yeah, so back to diapers and everybody's happy. Kids are at school today and so 485 00:13:31,728 --> 00:13:31,951 [Ian Landsman]: Woohoo! 486 00:13:32,135 --> 00:13:36,159 [Aaron]: my wife is feeling very light and free. So 487 00:13:36,078 --> 00:13:36,159 [Ian Landsman]: It's 488 00:13:36,179 --> 00:13:36,439 [Aaron]: yeah, 489 00:13:36,179 --> 00:13:36,608 [Ian Landsman]: always good. 490 00:13:37,420 --> 00:13:44,726 [Aaron]: much, much better. Yeah, and then yesterday was Labor Day and I did a little, I had a little 491 00:13:44,806 --> 00:13:50,131 [Aaron]: fun me time and just redesigned my site a little bit. Actually, that's totally 492 00:13:50,171 --> 00:13:55,983 [Aaron]: not fair. Hugo, the designer at Tupel. redesigned my personal site and then Jason 493 00:13:55,522 --> 00:13:55,905 [Ian Landsman]: Nice. 494 00:13:56,043 --> 00:13:58,384 [Aaron]: Beggs, a good guy Jason, built 495 00:13:58,445 --> 00:13:58,550 [Ian Landsman]: Go. 496 00:13:58,484 --> 00:14:02,346 [Aaron]: out a lot of it. And then you know when you get a design done and then you start 497 00:14:02,366 --> 00:14:07,409 [Aaron]: to put the real content in and you're like, Oh man, I didn't tell the designer about 498 00:14:07,449 --> 00:14:07,989 [Aaron]: this part 499 00:14:08,394 --> 00:14:08,596 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 500 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:13,813 [Aaron]: and they couldn't have known and so I'm gonna, I am going to tweak it which usually 501 00:14:13,833 --> 00:14:15,193 [Aaron]: means like destroy the design. 502 00:14:15,606 --> 00:14:15,789 [Ian Landsman]: Sir. 503 00:14:16,254 --> 00:14:20,316 [Aaron]: But that's what I've spent a few hours doing was like playing around with how am I 504 00:14:20,336 --> 00:14:26,017 [Aaron]: gonna fit this content into this design and It was fun, you know, tailwind, still pretty 505 00:14:26,057 --> 00:14:26,978 [Aaron]: great, still 506 00:14:26,786 --> 00:14:27,049 [Ian Landsman]: It's 507 00:14:27,018 --> 00:14:27,218 [Aaron]: love 508 00:14:27,130 --> 00:14:27,454 [Ian Landsman]: awesome. 509 00:14:27,258 --> 00:14:27,418 [Aaron]: it. 510 00:14:27,717 --> 00:14:28,244 [Ian Landsman]: It's the goat. 511 00:14:28,940 --> 00:14:34,045 [Aaron]: I used some of those wild like descendant selectors, very, 512 00:14:33,604 --> 00:14:33,786 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 513 00:14:34,306 --> 00:14:36,508 [Aaron]: very cool, lot of fun. So 514 00:14:36,416 --> 00:14:36,643 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 515 00:14:37,269 --> 00:14:43,556 [Aaron]: yeah, a good distraction after a weekend filled with very few wins, I will say. 516 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:48,531 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, those potty training days, those are rough. Those are just brutal. It's 517 00:14:48,571 --> 00:14:51,952 [Ian Landsman]: just brutal. Especially I can't imagine two at once. Forget even just one is 518 00:14:52,392 --> 00:14:53,552 [Ian Landsman]: a disaster. Two is 519 00:14:54,715 --> 00:14:54,775 [Aaron]: Yep, 520 00:14:54,833 --> 00:14:56,433 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 521 00:14:54,835 --> 00:14:56,482 [Aaron]: it scales linearly, I think. 522 00:14:56,533 --> 00:14:57,653 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 523 00:14:56,643 --> 00:14:57,687 [Aaron]: It was a double 524 00:14:57,693 --> 00:14:57,913 [Ian Landsman]: Linear 525 00:14:57,707 --> 00:14:58,209 [Aaron]: disaster, 526 00:14:57,933 --> 00:14:58,774 [Ian Landsman]: is good. 527 00:14:58,350 --> 00:14:59,012 [Aaron]: yeah, for 528 00:14:58,914 --> 00:14:59,074 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 529 00:14:59,032 --> 00:14:59,233 [Aaron]: sure. 530 00:15:00,154 --> 00:15:02,115 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. You might have to do one at a time just because they're twins doesn't 531 00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:03,115 [Ian Landsman]: mean you have to do them both at the same 532 00:15:02,954 --> 00:15:04,370 [Aaron]: I know. 533 00:15:03,155 --> 00:15:04,415 [Ian Landsman]: time too. So you could 534 00:15:04,430 --> 00:15:04,653 [Aaron]: Yeah. 535 00:15:05,135 --> 00:15:08,076 [Ian Landsman]: whichever one takes an interest that might help get the other one interested 536 00:15:08,196 --> 00:15:09,937 [Ian Landsman]: once the one's doing it. You know, then 537 00:15:09,654 --> 00:15:10,155 [Aaron]: Yeah, that's 538 00:15:09,977 --> 00:15:10,157 [Ian Landsman]: kind 539 00:15:10,216 --> 00:15:10,456 [Aaron]: true. 540 00:15:10,217 --> 00:15:11,397 [Ian Landsman]: of kind of go 541 00:15:11,419 --> 00:15:11,580 [Aaron]: That's 542 00:15:11,437 --> 00:15:11,597 [Ian Landsman]: that 543 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:11,620 [Aaron]: a 544 00:15:11,637 --> 00:15:11,817 [Ian Landsman]: route 545 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,001 [Aaron]: good point. 546 00:15:11,837 --> 00:15:17,686 [Ian Landsman]: with it. Yeah. Man, how's the I've seen some people talking about screencasting.com 547 00:15:18,767 --> 00:15:19,268 [Ian Landsman]: videos 548 00:15:18,819 --> 00:15:19,071 [Aaron]: Yep. 549 00:15:19,308 --> 00:15:20,910 [Ian Landsman]: as if they've seen them But then 550 00:15:21,314 --> 00:15:24,775 [Aaron]: Yep. 551 00:15:21,390 --> 00:15:24,514 [Ian Landsman]: I checked and it wasn't launched. So I don't know if you have some people like 552 00:15:24,795 --> 00:15:24,995 [Aaron]: I got 553 00:15:24,954 --> 00:15:25,054 [Ian Landsman]: in 554 00:15:25,036 --> 00:15:25,176 [Aaron]: some 555 00:15:25,094 --> 00:15:25,415 [Ian Landsman]: there 556 00:15:25,196 --> 00:15:25,436 [Aaron]: people 557 00:15:25,475 --> 00:15:25,795 [Ian Landsman]: testing 558 00:15:25,476 --> 00:15:26,076 [Aaron]: on the mailing 559 00:15:25,815 --> 00:15:26,256 [Ian Landsman]: it out 560 00:15:26,116 --> 00:15:27,097 [Aaron]: list, man. So 561 00:15:27,317 --> 00:15:27,557 [Ian Landsman]: Okay 562 00:15:27,477 --> 00:15:30,398 [Aaron]: I'm trying to do the whole like, hey, sign up for the mailing list, I'll send you 563 00:15:30,418 --> 00:15:31,259 [Aaron]: stuff. Sign 564 00:15:31,233 --> 00:15:31,443 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 565 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:33,120 [Aaron]: up for the mailing list, I'll send you stuff. And it's working. 566 00:15:33,692 --> 00:15:33,774 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 567 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:40,684 [Aaron]: And so I've sent out a preview of maybe like three or four of the lessons. And then 568 00:15:41,064 --> 00:15:45,887 [Aaron]: I've started to do, I started to solicit videos from other people. Be like, send me 569 00:15:45,907 --> 00:15:48,508 [Aaron]: your video, I'll do a video review of your video. 570 00:15:49,041 --> 00:15:49,102 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 571 00:15:49,128 --> 00:15:53,705 [Aaron]: And I've sent out a few of those like, I actually have sent out one of those teardowns 572 00:15:53,785 --> 00:15:58,591 [Aaron]: and I have another one going out to the list today. And so it's kind of like, you 573 00:15:58,611 --> 00:16:02,576 [Aaron]: know, the incentive to sign up for the list is you'll get some content early and 574 00:16:02,656 --> 00:16:03,156 [Aaron]: then 575 00:16:02,765 --> 00:16:03,017 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 576 00:16:03,537 --> 00:16:08,163 [Aaron]: hopefully when launch time comes, the list will be, you know, bigger enough to make 577 00:16:08,183 --> 00:16:10,285 [Aaron]: a difference. So yeah. 578 00:16:10,134 --> 00:16:13,365 [Ian Landsman]: What are you looking at for launch? When, when are you thinking that's 579 00:16:13,385 --> 00:16:13,486 [Ian Landsman]: going 580 00:16:13,450 --> 00:16:13,510 [Aaron]: I 581 00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:13,546 [Ian Landsman]: to 582 00:16:13,550 --> 00:16:13,790 [Aaron]: think, 583 00:16:13,586 --> 00:16:13,887 [Ian Landsman]: happen? 584 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:18,832 [Aaron]: yeah, I think so today we're recording is September 5th. I think it's going to be 585 00:16:18,892 --> 00:16:22,673 [Aaron]: September, what is it? 20th maybe? Whatever the Wednesday of that week 586 00:16:22,726 --> 00:16:23,068 [Ian Landsman]: Okay, 587 00:16:22,753 --> 00:16:23,374 [Aaron]: is. I think it's 588 00:16:23,309 --> 00:16:23,470 [Ian Landsman]: oh, 589 00:16:23,394 --> 00:16:23,814 [Aaron]: like two and 590 00:16:23,832 --> 00:16:24,053 [Ian Landsman]: pretty 591 00:16:23,834 --> 00:16:24,034 [Aaron]: a half 592 00:16:24,073 --> 00:16:24,435 [Ian Landsman]: close. 593 00:16:24,074 --> 00:16:25,454 [Aaron]: weeks away. Yeah, very 594 00:16:25,319 --> 00:16:25,620 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 595 00:16:25,494 --> 00:16:32,157 [Aaron]: close. Um, so a lot of good, a lot of good stuff happening there. I've also started 596 00:16:32,217 --> 00:16:37,639 [Aaron]: to reach out to people to do, um, like a screencaster spotlights. And 597 00:16:37,634 --> 00:16:37,696 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 598 00:16:37,719 --> 00:16:42,921 [Aaron]: so we got one in already, uh, Mateus who's a, you know, friend of Laravel. 599 00:16:43,308 --> 00:16:43,413 [Ian Landsman]: Yep. 600 00:16:44,542 --> 00:16:48,205 [Aaron]: I reached out to him and I was like, hey man, I would love for you to do a video 601 00:16:48,265 --> 00:16:52,608 [Aaron]: on like, hey, I'm Matthias, this is what I do, here's kind of my setup, this is 602 00:16:52,668 --> 00:16:57,291 [Aaron]: my camera, my microphone, here's what I like, here's what I don't like. So do like 603 00:16:57,311 --> 00:16:59,553 [Aaron]: a short, you know, three to five minute video on that 604 00:16:59,623 --> 00:16:59,972 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 605 00:16:59,633 --> 00:17:04,296 [Aaron]: and then on the page have it listed below of like, here's all the gear that Matthias 606 00:17:04,396 --> 00:17:06,277 [Aaron]: uses, here are the links where you can find 607 00:17:05,856 --> 00:17:06,062 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 608 00:17:06,498 --> 00:17:13,190 [Aaron]: Matthias' stuff. That way, you know, it's a fun, like it's a fun... way for people 609 00:17:13,230 --> 00:17:16,293 [Aaron]: to see what other people are doing. 610 00:17:15,522 --> 00:17:15,753 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 611 00:17:16,693 --> 00:17:21,277 [Aaron]: If they start to look around at different cameras and microphones, they can look at some 612 00:17:21,317 --> 00:17:25,421 [Aaron]: of these other screencasters and be like, oh, this guy uses the camera I was thinking 613 00:17:25,441 --> 00:17:30,165 [Aaron]: about using, let me watch his video or something like that. And I think it'll be 614 00:17:30,205 --> 00:17:34,789 [Aaron]: good like social, drive social behavior, right? Because then 615 00:17:34,878 --> 00:17:35,952 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. Ahem. 616 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:39,673 [Aaron]: every screencaster that we spotlight is gonna wanna send people over there and be 617 00:17:39,693 --> 00:17:44,356 [Aaron]: like, hey. look at this thing I have on Screencasting.com that has like a backlink 618 00:17:44,396 --> 00:17:49,739 [Aaron]: to my, you know, to my screencasting stuff. And so trying to round out some of the 619 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:54,981 [Aaron]: content there to make the site a little bit heavier for SEO and social stuff. 620 00:17:56,014 --> 00:17:58,534 [Ian Landsman]: And everybody loves gear posts. Like gear posts, 621 00:17:58,451 --> 00:17:58,774 [Aaron]: Loves 622 00:17:58,574 --> 00:17:58,814 [Ian Landsman]: just 623 00:17:58,834 --> 00:17:59,319 [Aaron]: it, yes. 624 00:17:59,214 --> 00:18:02,515 [Ian Landsman]: classic win. Like you're just gonna have people wandering through there just 625 00:18:02,595 --> 00:18:05,796 [Ian Landsman]: cause why not? I just love seeing what gear people are using and what they're 626 00:18:05,816 --> 00:18:10,257 [Ian Landsman]: doing with it and everything. So that's a definite win there. Yeah, and the 627 00:18:10,277 --> 00:18:14,159 [Ian Landsman]: things to work together, definitely useful to just like, yeah, which camera maybe 628 00:18:14,179 --> 00:18:16,179 [Ian Landsman]: I already have a piece of something. Like maybe 629 00:18:16,167 --> 00:18:16,291 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 630 00:18:16,199 --> 00:18:19,580 [Ian Landsman]: I can see like, well, what are people pairing with this and how's that going 631 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,381 [Ian Landsman]: and everything. So yeah, I liked that a lot, especially with like, if they have 632 00:18:23,401 --> 00:18:27,058 [Ian Landsman]: something a little bit to write up about. how they like it or just like, is 633 00:18:27,078 --> 00:18:30,220 [Ian Landsman]: there a trick? Like, oh, you need to do this or the microphone 634 00:18:30,006 --> 00:18:30,132 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 635 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:33,181 [Ian Landsman]: setup should be that, especially with the mic stuff tends to be a lot of 636 00:18:33,965 --> 00:18:34,154 [Aaron]: Yeah. 637 00:18:34,161 --> 00:18:38,703 [Ian Landsman]: things like that. Or specific cameras having like whatever the good settings 638 00:18:38,743 --> 00:18:43,785 [Ian Landsman]: for streaming or even video setup sometimes, since they're usually kind 639 00:18:43,805 --> 00:18:48,267 [Ian Landsman]: of more photography focused by default in their default settings. Sometimes 640 00:18:48,287 --> 00:18:51,529 [Ian Landsman]: you have a few tweaks there you need to do to get it set up for the video. 641 00:18:51,549 --> 00:18:53,749 [Ian Landsman]: So. I like that. 642 00:18:53,703 --> 00:18:58,006 [Aaron]: Yep, yep, and I think we'll end up with a page that's like screencasting.com slash 643 00:18:58,167 --> 00:19:00,308 [Aaron]: cameras. And it'll 644 00:18:59,647 --> 00:18:59,872 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 645 00:19:00,328 --> 00:19:05,613 [Aaron]: be a whole listing of like the different camera options and then in each section for 646 00:19:05,653 --> 00:19:08,355 [Aaron]: like the Canon M50, which is what I'm running. Then 647 00:19:08,365 --> 00:19:08,617 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 648 00:19:08,395 --> 00:19:13,639 [Aaron]: we can have links out to all the profiles of people that use the Canon M50. And then 649 00:19:13,632 --> 00:19:13,776 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 650 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:19,904 [Aaron]: we can have like a full super heavy in terms of content page for screencasting 651 00:19:19,924 --> 00:19:25,137 [Aaron]: cameras. And I think... Given the domain and the fact that we can put a ton of content 652 00:19:25,177 --> 00:19:29,485 [Aaron]: on there, I think we'll rank pretty highly for screencasting cameras. 653 00:19:30,066 --> 00:19:34,154 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, especially the camera, I think, or even the mics too. I mean, I think 654 00:19:34,174 --> 00:19:39,718 [Ian Landsman]: if you had a page for each of the big camera systems and mic systems. And 655 00:19:39,738 --> 00:19:43,360 [Ian Landsman]: then even just whether it's you or something, you know, pay somebody to 656 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,682 [Ian Landsman]: go through and do the work of like, either building these or even just finding 657 00:19:47,882 --> 00:19:51,044 [Ian Landsman]: the good videos about on YouTube, about how to set them up. Because like 658 00:19:50,978 --> 00:19:51,040 [Aaron]: Hmm. 659 00:19:51,245 --> 00:19:54,526 [Ian Landsman]: when I was setting up for this new setup I have here, it's like, it took me 660 00:19:54,567 --> 00:19:56,127 [Ian Landsman]: like four YouTube videos and like 661 00:19:56,184 --> 00:19:56,415 [Aaron]: Yep. 662 00:19:56,187 --> 00:20:01,090 [Ian Landsman]: three hours for this particular camera, which like Sony A7C. And 663 00:20:01,070 --> 00:20:01,111 [Aaron]: Mm. 664 00:20:02,631 --> 00:20:05,913 [Ian Landsman]: so like this, and this is actually a really good camera potentially for streaming, 665 00:20:05,973 --> 00:20:09,795 [Ian Landsman]: like. It's a video oriented camera to some degree anyway, but it's like 666 00:20:09,875 --> 00:20:14,177 [Ian Landsman]: even that didn't have like here is how you would set this camera up for streaming 667 00:20:14,197 --> 00:20:14,637 [Ian Landsman]: and the things you 668 00:20:14,604 --> 00:20:14,871 [Aaron]: Yeah. 669 00:20:14,657 --> 00:20:18,359 [Ian Landsman]: should do. And like, so I think just having that for, you know, because basically 670 00:20:18,379 --> 00:20:20,760 [Ian Landsman]: if you do the Sony's and the cannons, you don't have to do every 671 00:20:20,598 --> 00:20:20,821 [Aaron]: Right. 672 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,982 [Ian Landsman]: single one even. But the big ones, a lot of them are same across anyway, 673 00:20:25,002 --> 00:20:26,823 [Ian Landsman]: it's like, you know, the menuing 674 00:20:26,584 --> 00:20:26,937 [Aaron]: Yeah. 675 00:20:26,863 --> 00:20:30,105 [Ian Landsman]: system and everything's the same across multiple cameras in the series. 676 00:20:30,185 --> 00:20:33,606 [Ian Landsman]: So I think that'd be super useful. And you get a lot of links for that because 677 00:20:33,626 --> 00:20:36,749 [Ian Landsman]: it's actually pretty hard to find that. there 678 00:20:36,762 --> 00:20:36,922 [Aaron]: Pretty 679 00:20:36,769 --> 00:20:36,990 [Ian Landsman]: tends to 680 00:20:36,942 --> 00:20:37,082 [Aaron]: hard 681 00:20:37,030 --> 00:20:37,633 [Ian Landsman]: be you're 682 00:20:37,142 --> 00:20:37,742 [Aaron]: to find. So 683 00:20:37,653 --> 00:20:38,275 [Ian Landsman]: kind of piecing 684 00:20:38,143 --> 00:20:38,263 [Aaron]: you 685 00:20:38,315 --> 00:20:38,375 [Ian Landsman]: it. 686 00:20:38,323 --> 00:20:43,367 [Aaron]: just went through this. So like what part was hard for you to find? Was it concise 687 00:20:43,907 --> 00:20:45,748 [Aaron]: or comprehensive or what was 688 00:20:45,722 --> 00:20:46,302 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 689 00:20:45,789 --> 00:20:46,329 [Aaron]: the part 690 00:20:46,322 --> 00:20:46,602 [Ian Landsman]: because 691 00:20:46,349 --> 00:20:46,949 [Aaron]: that was missing? 692 00:20:46,642 --> 00:20:51,285 [Ian Landsman]: you end up take there's there was like nobody as I found anyway, at least 693 00:20:51,305 --> 00:20:54,007 [Ian Landsman]: for this particular camera that really went through and like how to set it 694 00:20:54,107 --> 00:20:57,489 [Ian Landsman]: up, especially for the streaming, which 695 00:20:57,422 --> 00:20:57,804 [Aaron]: Got 696 00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:58,049 [Ian Landsman]: might be a little 697 00:20:57,884 --> 00:20:58,005 [Aaron]: it. 698 00:20:58,069 --> 00:21:02,411 [Ian Landsman]: different than what you're doing. But even for the video, there was just a lot 699 00:21:02,451 --> 00:21:05,933 [Ian Landsman]: of like, here's some of the settings. But then I knew other stuff. I mean, 700 00:21:05,974 --> 00:21:08,215 [Ian Landsman]: I know a little bit about it, which helped if I 701 00:21:08,156 --> 00:21:08,363 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 702 00:21:08,235 --> 00:21:11,637 [Ian Landsman]: started from less knowledge. I think it would have been even worse. But. 703 00:21:13,022 --> 00:21:15,626 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, just, and just even things like how do you run the power to it? Like, 704 00:21:15,666 --> 00:21:16,888 [Ian Landsman]: can you, should 705 00:21:16,835 --> 00:21:16,897 [Aaron]: Hmm 706 00:21:16,908 --> 00:21:21,955 [Ian Landsman]: you do HDMI out or a lot of the cameras have USB-C, which can pipe over 707 00:21:21,995 --> 00:21:25,759 [Ian Landsman]: it, but there's actually a difference. and HDMI is probably better, but not necessarily 708 00:21:25,859 --> 00:21:27,401 [Ian Landsman]: always. And so there's 709 00:21:27,342 --> 00:21:27,847 [Aaron]: Hmm. 710 00:21:27,541 --> 00:21:30,723 [Ian Landsman]: kind of things like that in terms of the setup, physical setup of how you're 711 00:21:30,743 --> 00:21:32,245 [Ian Landsman]: gonna power it and how you're gonna get 712 00:21:32,206 --> 00:21:32,327 [Aaron]: That's 713 00:21:32,265 --> 00:21:32,365 [Ian Landsman]: the 714 00:21:32,367 --> 00:21:33,094 [Aaron]: interesting. 715 00:21:32,385 --> 00:21:32,925 [Ian Landsman]: feed out. 716 00:21:33,396 --> 00:21:33,760 [Aaron]: Yeah. 717 00:21:33,486 --> 00:21:37,149 [Ian Landsman]: And then also then the Sony system, all these camera systems, the menu 718 00:21:37,169 --> 00:21:41,552 [Ian Landsman]: is a disaster. So, you know, how do you find all the little spots where 719 00:21:41,572 --> 00:21:45,555 [Ian Landsman]: you need to set it up for, whether it's changes for the continuous power or changes 720 00:21:45,595 --> 00:21:49,018 [Ian Landsman]: for like what setting that should be on for video and all 721 00:21:49,025 --> 00:21:49,045 [Aaron]: a 722 00:21:49,058 --> 00:21:49,218 [Ian Landsman]: that 723 00:21:49,066 --> 00:21:49,251 [Aaron]: great 724 00:21:49,258 --> 00:21:49,559 [Ian Landsman]: stuff. 725 00:21:49,313 --> 00:21:49,561 [Aaron]: idea. 726 00:21:49,619 --> 00:21:52,641 [Ian Landsman]: So just to get that initial setup so you have something reasonable. 727 00:21:53,195 --> 00:21:53,440 [Aaron]: Right. 728 00:21:53,442 --> 00:21:56,705 [Ian Landsman]: And you're not, you know, some of them have overheating issues. Is there 729 00:21:56,555 --> 00:21:56,800 [Aaron]: Right. 730 00:21:56,905 --> 00:22:00,388 [Ian Landsman]: certain things you have to do? Maybe you shouldn't run it at 1080P or whatever, 731 00:22:00,408 --> 00:22:04,131 [Ian Landsman]: like whatever, all the different things to be aware of for the particular camera. 732 00:22:04,551 --> 00:22:07,994 [Ian Landsman]: So you, you know, your first run experiences, aren't you get 20 minutes 733 00:22:08,054 --> 00:22:09,416 [Ian Landsman]: in and it's shutting down and, 734 00:22:09,474 --> 00:22:10,314 [Aaron]: Right, in 735 00:22:10,256 --> 00:22:10,376 [Ian Landsman]: or 736 00:22:10,334 --> 00:22:10,655 [Aaron]: the middle 737 00:22:10,617 --> 00:22:10,737 [Ian Landsman]: you're 738 00:22:10,715 --> 00:22:10,795 [Aaron]: of 739 00:22:10,757 --> 00:22:10,817 [Ian Landsman]: not 740 00:22:10,835 --> 00:22:10,855 [Aaron]: a 741 00:22:10,837 --> 00:22:11,678 [Ian Landsman]: getting the video 742 00:22:11,255 --> 00:22:12,136 [Aaron]: recording session, 743 00:22:11,778 --> 00:22:12,278 [Ian Landsman]: or whatever. 744 00:22:12,156 --> 00:22:12,937 [Aaron]: which is super 745 00:22:12,638 --> 00:22:12,999 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 746 00:22:12,977 --> 00:22:13,557 [Aaron]: frustrating. 747 00:22:13,699 --> 00:22:13,960 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 748 00:22:14,658 --> 00:22:15,078 [Aaron]: Ooh, 749 00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:15,281 [Ian Landsman]: So 750 00:22:15,098 --> 00:22:15,379 [Aaron]: this is 751 00:22:15,321 --> 00:22:15,421 [Ian Landsman]: that 752 00:22:15,419 --> 00:22:15,439 [Aaron]: a 753 00:22:15,441 --> 00:22:15,541 [Ian Landsman]: could 754 00:22:15,459 --> 00:22:15,599 [Aaron]: good 755 00:22:15,561 --> 00:22:15,721 [Ian Landsman]: be cool. 756 00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:20,363 [Aaron]: idea. This is a really good idea. I think, so one of the things I'm thinking for 757 00:22:20,403 --> 00:22:24,066 [Aaron]: like, continually filling the top of the funnel, because I want this 758 00:22:23,976 --> 00:22:24,017 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 759 00:22:24,106 --> 00:22:26,428 [Aaron]: course to last forever, you know, 760 00:22:26,526 --> 00:22:26,969 [Ian Landsman]: Right, yeah, 761 00:22:26,969 --> 00:22:27,149 [Aaron]: as 762 00:22:26,989 --> 00:22:27,472 [Ian Landsman]: why not? 763 00:22:27,209 --> 00:22:28,330 [Aaron]: forever as possible. 764 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:28,761 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 765 00:22:30,031 --> 00:22:34,475 [Aaron]: I'm thinking I'll do a separate YouTube channel that is just screencasting 766 00:22:33,794 --> 00:22:35,689 [Ian Landsman]: Hmm 767 00:22:34,635 --> 00:22:35,116 [Aaron]: focused. 768 00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:36,375 [Ian Landsman]: that makes sense 769 00:22:36,897 --> 00:22:44,522 [Aaron]: And... This could be a really good couple of videos where I synthesize all of 770 00:22:44,702 --> 00:22:48,125 [Aaron]: the information about, because people are trying to teach you how to use the camera 771 00:22:48,145 --> 00:22:48,725 [Aaron]: for everything, 772 00:22:49,048 --> 00:22:49,300 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 773 00:22:49,226 --> 00:22:54,009 [Aaron]: and I could synthesize all of that into, here's how you use it just for a webcam 774 00:22:54,109 --> 00:22:55,230 [Aaron]: or a screencast 775 00:22:54,866 --> 00:22:55,148 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 776 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:55,830 [Aaron]: basically. 777 00:22:56,215 --> 00:22:56,436 [Ian Landsman]: Yup. 778 00:22:57,792 --> 00:23:02,035 [Aaron]: That is really interesting, I like that idea. The question is, am I gonna have 779 00:23:02,055 --> 00:23:05,817 [Aaron]: to buy a bunch of cameras to do it honestly, because I don't wanna do that. 780 00:23:06,948 --> 00:23:07,208 [Ian Landsman]: Well, I 781 00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:07,231 [Aaron]: Hmm 782 00:23:07,228 --> 00:23:10,611 [Ian Landsman]: mean, there's a bunch of services for renting cameras. So for like 20 783 00:23:10,626 --> 00:23:11,016 [Aaron]: Duh. 784 00:23:10,651 --> 00:23:13,613 [Ian Landsman]: bucks, 30 bucks or whatever, you can just like rent the camera and the lens 785 00:23:13,653 --> 00:23:16,055 [Ian Landsman]: for two days, do the video, send it 786 00:23:16,034 --> 00:23:16,114 [Aaron]: Of 787 00:23:16,075 --> 00:23:16,435 [Ian Landsman]: back. 788 00:23:16,154 --> 00:23:16,614 [Aaron]: course, 789 00:23:16,976 --> 00:23:17,216 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 790 00:23:17,414 --> 00:23:17,835 [Aaron]: of course 791 00:23:17,696 --> 00:23:18,017 [Ian Landsman]: I would just, 792 00:23:17,975 --> 00:23:18,295 [Aaron]: Ian, 793 00:23:18,737 --> 00:23:18,857 [Ian Landsman]: there 794 00:23:18,755 --> 00:23:18,915 [Aaron]: this 795 00:23:18,877 --> 00:23:18,937 [Ian Landsman]: you 796 00:23:18,955 --> 00:23:19,015 [Aaron]: is 797 00:23:18,957 --> 00:23:19,177 [Ian Landsman]: go. 798 00:23:19,055 --> 00:23:19,796 [Aaron]: why we do this. 799 00:23:20,158 --> 00:23:20,518 [Ian Landsman]: There 800 00:23:20,296 --> 00:23:20,576 [Aaron]: We do 801 00:23:20,538 --> 00:23:20,599 [Ian Landsman]: you 802 00:23:20,616 --> 00:23:20,776 [Aaron]: this 803 00:23:20,659 --> 00:23:20,839 [Ian Landsman]: go. 804 00:23:20,836 --> 00:23:26,940 [Aaron]: podcast for my benefit. This is amazing. Okay, yeah, that's obvious. Yep, what is it 805 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,080 [Aaron]: called? There's one that's like 806 00:23:28,266 --> 00:23:29,099 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, that's a big 807 00:23:28,901 --> 00:23:29,361 [Aaron]: Glass 808 00:23:29,282 --> 00:23:29,424 [Ian Landsman]: one. 809 00:23:29,421 --> 00:23:33,163 [Aaron]: Rent or I'm thinking of Rent the Runway, which is different. 810 00:23:32,914 --> 00:23:33,174 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 811 00:23:33,183 --> 00:23:36,105 [Aaron]: I'll look it up. That's fine. 812 00:23:36,135 --> 00:23:36,175 [Ian Landsman]: It 813 00:23:36,145 --> 00:23:36,365 [Aaron]: Great 814 00:23:36,195 --> 00:23:36,435 [Ian Landsman]: should be 815 00:23:36,445 --> 00:23:36,765 [Aaron]: idea, 816 00:23:36,475 --> 00:23:37,196 [Ian Landsman]: easy to find. Yeah. 817 00:23:37,185 --> 00:23:37,425 [Aaron]: okay. 818 00:23:37,236 --> 00:23:40,657 [Ian Landsman]: I can't remember the names, but I know a ton of people use them. Everybody 819 00:23:40,697 --> 00:23:42,278 [Ian Landsman]: seems to have pretty good results 820 00:23:42,201 --> 00:23:42,432 [Aaron]: Yeah. 821 00:23:42,318 --> 00:23:45,200 [Ian Landsman]: with it. So I think that you're getting like pretty, you know, 822 00:23:45,166 --> 00:23:45,418 [Aaron]: Yeah. 823 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:49,642 [Ian Landsman]: good, good gear and good shape. And it'll be fine for your purposes of getting 824 00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:49,822 [Ian Landsman]: set 825 00:23:49,682 --> 00:23:49,983 [Aaron]: Yeah, 826 00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:49,982 [Ian Landsman]: up 827 00:23:50,003 --> 00:23:50,023 [Aaron]: I 828 00:23:50,022 --> 00:23:50,102 [Ian Landsman]: and 829 00:23:50,043 --> 00:23:50,164 [Aaron]: don't 830 00:23:50,182 --> 00:23:50,422 [Ian Landsman]: stream 831 00:23:50,184 --> 00:23:50,445 [Aaron]: even want 832 00:23:50,462 --> 00:23:50,562 [Ian Landsman]: it. 833 00:23:50,466 --> 00:23:51,491 [Aaron]: to keep the gear, so it's 834 00:23:51,503 --> 00:23:51,723 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 835 00:23:51,551 --> 00:23:53,481 [Aaron]: perfect. So, okay. 836 00:23:53,324 --> 00:23:56,065 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. And you only need one lens, probably, or whatever. So. 837 00:23:56,638 --> 00:23:59,379 [Aaron]: Yeah. Okay, cool. 838 00:23:59,082 --> 00:23:59,263 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 839 00:23:59,419 --> 00:23:59,639 [Aaron]: That'll 840 00:23:59,585 --> 00:23:59,746 [Ian Landsman]: there 841 00:23:59,659 --> 00:23:59,739 [Aaron]: be 842 00:23:59,766 --> 00:23:59,867 [Ian Landsman]: you 843 00:23:59,779 --> 00:24:00,059 [Aaron]: fun. 844 00:23:59,907 --> 00:24:02,504 [Ian Landsman]: go. There's another project for the list. 845 00:24:02,921 --> 00:24:10,665 [Aaron]: Yeah, seriously. I count this as a sub project, so mentally this doesn't 846 00:24:10,486 --> 00:24:10,666 [Ian Landsman]: Doesn't 847 00:24:10,685 --> 00:24:10,865 [Aaron]: take 848 00:24:10,686 --> 00:24:10,907 [Ian Landsman]: weigh you 849 00:24:10,885 --> 00:24:10,925 [Aaron]: a 850 00:24:10,927 --> 00:24:11,269 [Ian Landsman]: down, 851 00:24:10,985 --> 00:24:12,465 [Aaron]: slot. Yeah, exactly. 852 00:24:11,871 --> 00:24:12,634 [Ian Landsman]: right? Ha ha ha. 853 00:24:12,586 --> 00:24:16,087 [Aaron]: I don't feel like, oh man, I got a million. No, I only have like four things to 854 00:24:16,127 --> 00:24:20,369 [Aaron]: juggle, of which subtask A is record a million videos. So. 855 00:24:20,301 --> 00:24:23,203 [Ian Landsman]: Right? I have a hard time with that. I get down that path. This is part of 856 00:24:23,423 --> 00:24:24,924 [Ian Landsman]: the stuff I've been eliminating from 857 00:24:24,954 --> 00:24:25,257 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 858 00:24:25,265 --> 00:24:26,886 [Ian Landsman]: decisions I made pre-vacation, 859 00:24:27,135 --> 00:24:27,317 [Aaron]: Yep. 860 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:31,370 [Ian Landsman]: is it's just like I get too much stuff going and I'm not as good at that. 861 00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:34,393 [Ian Landsman]: I've never been that good at it. If I get too many balls, then I just start 862 00:24:34,413 --> 00:24:38,196 [Ian Landsman]: to get like, it just weighs on me. And then I don't do even the things 863 00:24:38,236 --> 00:24:40,638 [Ian Landsman]: I need to be doing. It's just like, oh, it's too much stress and pressure. 864 00:24:41,078 --> 00:24:43,700 [Ian Landsman]: So then I gotta go back through and be like, no, don't actually need to do 865 00:24:43,721 --> 00:24:45,482 [Ian Landsman]: those things right now. Like. It'll 866 00:24:45,398 --> 00:24:45,503 [Aaron]: Yep. 867 00:24:45,522 --> 00:24:50,804 [Ian Landsman]: be fine. We can wait a few months or six months, whatever. Put it on like a separate 868 00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:54,706 [Ian Landsman]: notion page for like kind of backlog of ideas. Just 869 00:24:54,586 --> 00:24:54,912 [Aaron]: Parking 870 00:24:54,886 --> 00:24:55,046 [Ian Landsman]: send 871 00:24:54,952 --> 00:24:55,197 [Aaron]: lot, 872 00:24:55,086 --> 00:24:55,346 [Ian Landsman]: it over 873 00:24:55,238 --> 00:24:55,421 [Aaron]: yeah. 874 00:24:55,366 --> 00:25:01,169 [Ian Landsman]: there. So it's not like in my day to day vision. And then, uh, yeah, 875 00:25:01,206 --> 00:25:01,326 [Aaron]: Yep, 876 00:25:01,349 --> 00:25:01,389 [Ian Landsman]: I 877 00:25:01,426 --> 00:25:01,546 [Aaron]: you 878 00:25:01,429 --> 00:25:01,689 [Ian Landsman]: got it. 879 00:25:01,586 --> 00:25:01,766 [Aaron]: are 880 00:25:01,729 --> 00:25:02,029 [Ian Landsman]: Got to do 881 00:25:02,026 --> 00:25:02,366 [Aaron]: super 882 00:25:02,049 --> 00:25:02,229 [Ian Landsman]: that. 883 00:25:02,426 --> 00:25:07,908 [Aaron]: not alone. I feel the same way. I feel like I have like a natural kind of ebb and 884 00:25:07,928 --> 00:25:13,470 [Aaron]: flow cycle almost of like expand, let's do everything. And then I 885 00:25:12,939 --> 00:25:13,228 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 886 00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:17,332 [Aaron]: get to like the maximum expansion and I'm like, oh, 887 00:25:17,508 --> 00:25:17,850 [Ian Landsman]: I'm sorry. 888 00:25:17,652 --> 00:25:17,912 [Aaron]: this is 889 00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:18,031 [Ian Landsman]: Ha 890 00:25:17,952 --> 00:25:18,092 [Aaron]: too 891 00:25:18,051 --> 00:25:18,252 [Ian Landsman]: ha 892 00:25:18,132 --> 00:25:18,412 [Aaron]: much. 893 00:25:18,292 --> 00:25:18,393 [Ian Landsman]: ha. 894 00:25:18,833 --> 00:25:24,135 [Aaron]: And then I contract down and focus on the few things that I think are most important 895 00:25:24,195 --> 00:25:25,775 [Aaron]: maybe or most pressing. And 896 00:25:25,709 --> 00:25:25,898 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 897 00:25:25,795 --> 00:25:30,437 [Aaron]: then that kind of just kind of ebbs and flows over time. And I don't know if that's 898 00:25:30,477 --> 00:25:32,670 [Aaron]: bad. Like I don't know if that's bad. 899 00:25:33,209 --> 00:25:33,859 [Ian Landsman]: I don't know. 900 00:25:34,372 --> 00:25:38,955 [Aaron]: I maybe wish I didn't get to the point where it was like, ah, this is way too 901 00:25:38,846 --> 00:25:38,966 [Ian Landsman]: It's 902 00:25:38,975 --> 00:25:39,135 [Aaron]: much, 903 00:25:39,066 --> 00:25:39,807 [Ian Landsman]: overwhelming. 904 00:25:39,155 --> 00:25:41,476 [Aaron]: I'm gonna die, yeah. Which is 905 00:25:41,509 --> 00:25:43,752 [Ian Landsman]: I do think 906 00:25:41,997 --> 00:25:43,217 [Aaron]: where I am now, so. 907 00:25:43,772 --> 00:25:49,122 [Ian Landsman]: there is this entrepreneurial, I think a lot of entrepreneurs have that. issue 908 00:25:49,202 --> 00:25:52,563 [Ian Landsman]: and it's like you get that little bit of space like you actually get some space 909 00:25:52,583 --> 00:25:53,324 [Ian Landsman]: and you're like I must 910 00:25:53,353 --> 00:25:54,485 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 911 00:25:53,364 --> 00:25:58,146 [Ian Landsman]: fill this space like I must there's more things to do let's pile stuff 912 00:25:58,206 --> 00:26:02,168 [Ian Landsman]: into the gap and then all of a sudden you look around a week later you're 913 00:26:02,188 --> 00:26:05,870 [Ian Landsman]: like oh I actually have tons of stuff to do and then the thing you know 914 00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:09,331 [Ian Landsman]: you have no capacity for like when someone comes out of the blue and wants 915 00:26:09,351 --> 00:26:11,352 [Ian Landsman]: to charge you two thousand dollars for a photo 916 00:26:11,351 --> 00:26:11,618 [Aaron]: Yeah. 917 00:26:11,512 --> 00:26:14,854 [Ian Landsman]: you used 20 years ago or like all these you know random stuff that comes 918 00:26:14,914 --> 00:26:15,594 [Ian Landsman]: up when you're running 919 00:26:18,756 --> 00:26:21,958 [Ian Landsman]: even just your day job needs you to work longer or whatever, like who knows, 920 00:26:21,978 --> 00:26:27,343 [Ian Landsman]: like just having the extra capacity to take on those unknown things. Yeah, I hit 921 00:26:27,363 --> 00:26:30,486 [Ian Landsman]: that all the time where I'm like running too close to the capacity and 922 00:26:30,506 --> 00:26:31,086 [Ian Landsman]: then like something 923 00:26:30,946 --> 00:26:31,114 [Aaron]: Yeah. 924 00:26:31,126 --> 00:26:34,769 [Ian Landsman]: happens and I'm like, oh no, I got to deal with that and rework 925 00:26:34,414 --> 00:26:34,914 [Aaron]: And then you start 926 00:26:34,809 --> 00:26:35,150 [Ian Landsman]: things. 927 00:26:35,034 --> 00:26:35,514 [Aaron]: actively 928 00:26:35,310 --> 00:26:37,352 [Ian Landsman]: So, 929 00:26:35,554 --> 00:26:37,495 [Aaron]: trying to like shed projects. You're like, 930 00:26:37,472 --> 00:26:38,553 [Ian Landsman]: right, 931 00:26:37,515 --> 00:26:38,536 [Aaron]: ah, I can't do that. 932 00:26:38,633 --> 00:26:38,853 [Ian Landsman]: right. 933 00:26:38,796 --> 00:26:44,019 [Aaron]: I mean, Hugo designed my website, I think back in like September or October of 934 00:26:43,978 --> 00:26:45,662 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 935 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:45,820 [Aaron]: last year, and it's now September 936 00:26:45,682 --> 00:26:45,903 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 937 00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:48,922 [Aaron]: of this year. And it was just one of those things where at the time, I was like, 938 00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:52,584 [Aaron]: yeah, hell yeah, let's freaking, let's do a website, that seems awesome. And then 939 00:26:52,546 --> 00:26:52,798 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 940 00:26:52,604 --> 00:26:55,805 [Aaron]: he designed it and I was like, oh gosh, I don't 941 00:26:55,732 --> 00:26:56,033 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 942 00:26:55,825 --> 00:26:56,186 [Aaron]: have time 943 00:26:56,053 --> 00:26:56,274 [Ian Landsman]: Now I have 944 00:26:56,206 --> 00:26:56,286 [Aaron]: to 945 00:26:56,314 --> 00:26:56,375 [Ian Landsman]: to 946 00:26:56,326 --> 00:26:56,426 [Aaron]: do 947 00:26:56,395 --> 00:26:56,555 [Ian Landsman]: build 948 00:26:56,466 --> 00:26:56,706 [Aaron]: this. 949 00:26:56,575 --> 00:26:56,716 [Ian Landsman]: this. 950 00:26:57,446 --> 00:27:02,429 [Aaron]: I can't do this anymore. That's one thing where I think I do get in trouble sometimes 951 00:27:02,449 --> 00:27:05,795 [Aaron]: is I'll have like, I'll start the project and have 952 00:27:05,727 --> 00:27:05,950 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 953 00:27:05,835 --> 00:27:08,937 [Aaron]: like other people, you know, pay them, of course, but have other people 954 00:27:08,738 --> 00:27:09,019 [Ian Landsman]: Right. Yup. 955 00:27:08,997 --> 00:27:14,281 [Aaron]: do parts of it. And then I'm like, Oh no, now it's back to me. And so, 956 00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:14,249 [Ian Landsman]: Yup. 957 00:27:14,582 --> 00:27:17,884 [Aaron]: you know, hopefully, hopefully Hugo's happy one to see his design out there. And 958 00:27:17,924 --> 00:27:21,407 [Aaron]: two, of course I did pay him for it. But now I'm finally like, all right, here we 959 00:27:21,427 --> 00:27:25,089 [Aaron]: go. This is now it's come back around to I have time to do this. 960 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:30,415 [Ian Landsman]: The number of people and the amount of money I've paid for people to not 961 00:27:30,475 --> 00:27:32,236 [Ian Landsman]: do the things I asked them to do is 962 00:27:32,794 --> 00:27:34,526 [Aaron]: Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe 963 00:27:32,857 --> 00:27:38,582 [Ian Landsman]: completely insane. Um, yes, I know I paid you. I'm- I'm fine with you not 964 00:27:38,622 --> 00:27:42,665 [Ian Landsman]: doing it, just forget it. Like just the, what you were gonna do and then place 965 00:27:42,705 --> 00:27:46,247 [Ian Landsman]: on me. Like I'm fine just paying you to not just take that 966 00:27:46,202 --> 00:27:46,368 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 967 00:27:46,287 --> 00:27:49,409 [Ian Landsman]: money, enjoy it. I don't even want you to produce it. And I 968 00:27:49,591 --> 00:27:49,795 [Aaron]: Yeah. 969 00:27:49,889 --> 00:27:54,572 [Ian Landsman]: just want to not worry about it. So yeah, I do have had that happen numerous 970 00:27:54,612 --> 00:27:55,093 [Ian Landsman]: times. So. 971 00:27:55,234 --> 00:27:59,116 [Aaron]: Yeah, and it's kinda like, if they do produce the thing, it's like, yes, I'm thrilled 972 00:27:59,136 --> 00:28:01,818 [Aaron]: to death with the work you've done. It's amazing, I 973 00:28:01,742 --> 00:28:02,070 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 974 00:28:01,878 --> 00:28:04,639 [Aaron]: love it. I just, I'm gonna sit on it for a little 975 00:28:04,638 --> 00:28:07,341 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 976 00:28:04,659 --> 00:28:07,601 [Aaron]: while. Sorry about that. Ha, ha, ha. 977 00:28:07,401 --> 00:28:07,641 [Ian Landsman]: So 978 00:28:07,621 --> 00:28:07,821 [Aaron]: But. 979 00:28:07,742 --> 00:28:11,486 [Ian Landsman]: we should get the full update. What's up with the hello query? I don't think 980 00:28:11,506 --> 00:28:12,568 [Ian Landsman]: we've even talked about that on 981 00:28:12,586 --> 00:28:12,686 [Aaron]: We 982 00:28:12,608 --> 00:28:12,768 [Ian Landsman]: this 983 00:28:12,706 --> 00:28:12,846 [Aaron]: have 984 00:28:12,808 --> 00:28:13,068 [Ian Landsman]: pod 985 00:28:12,886 --> 00:28:13,226 [Aaron]: not talked 986 00:28:13,108 --> 00:28:13,309 [Ian Landsman]: much, 987 00:28:13,246 --> 00:28:13,386 [Aaron]: about 988 00:28:13,349 --> 00:28:13,549 [Ian Landsman]: so. 989 00:28:13,406 --> 00:28:20,070 [Aaron]: that in a while. So we've been doing a push with, do you know Boris Lepkin in the 990 00:28:20,238 --> 00:28:21,880 [Ian Landsman]: Hmm, 991 00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:21,951 [Aaron]: Laravel community? He's the guy who wrote 992 00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:22,020 [Ian Landsman]: I 993 00:28:22,031 --> 00:28:22,471 [Aaron]: Advanced 994 00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:22,842 [Ian Landsman]: don't think so. 995 00:28:22,551 --> 00:28:23,051 [Aaron]: Inertia. 996 00:28:23,904 --> 00:28:24,925 [Ian Landsman]: Okay, yes, I know that. 997 00:28:24,932 --> 00:28:27,073 [Aaron]: So he's the inertia type script. 998 00:28:27,636 --> 00:28:27,842 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 999 00:28:28,614 --> 00:28:33,737 [Aaron]: He's a wizard. Like I thought for a long time that I was a really good developer 1000 00:28:33,857 --> 00:28:35,258 [Aaron]: and I think I am. I'm 1001 00:28:35,238 --> 00:28:35,480 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1002 00:28:35,298 --> 00:28:36,859 [Aaron]: not as good as Boris. Like 1003 00:28:37,048 --> 00:28:37,652 [Ian Landsman]: No, right? 1004 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:41,681 [Aaron]: Boris is a gosh dang machine. 1005 00:28:41,863 --> 00:28:42,066 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1006 00:28:42,154 --> 00:28:46,517 [Aaron]: And it also happens that he's like really, really good at the front end. Um, 1007 00:28:46,488 --> 00:28:46,590 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1008 00:28:46,597 --> 00:28:51,981 [Aaron]: and I'm, I'm okay at front end, but in terms of like, all right, let's wire up 1009 00:28:52,061 --> 00:28:58,265 [Aaron]: inertia and view all together with typed stuff on the backend, like I don't, I 1010 00:28:58,285 --> 00:28:59,906 [Aaron]: don't hold a candle to Boris. 1011 00:29:00,012 --> 00:29:00,180 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 1012 00:29:00,347 --> 00:29:04,170 [Aaron]: So anyway, we've hired Boris to help us build out some of that stuff. Um, 1013 00:29:04,235 --> 00:29:04,520 [Ian Landsman]: Awesome 1014 00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:09,113 [Aaron]: because like I said, I got to this point where I was like, Oh, this is too much. 1015 00:29:09,353 --> 00:29:09,513 [Aaron]: Um, 1016 00:29:09,441 --> 00:29:09,630 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1017 00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:15,214 [Aaron]: And we were just moving too slowly because I just, I was also having a hard time. 1018 00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:18,857 [Aaron]: Like the project's been going on for a thousand years, 1019 00:29:19,255 --> 00:29:19,604 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1020 00:29:19,277 --> 00:29:24,242 [Aaron]: um, and losing some of that motivation for that side. And so 1021 00:29:24,144 --> 00:29:24,327 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm 1022 00:29:24,322 --> 00:29:29,326 [Aaron]: bringing Boris on to like, just plow through some tasks has been really awesome. 1023 00:29:29,506 --> 00:29:34,050 [Aaron]: So that's been going well. We're reaching the point where it's like, all right, let's, 1024 00:29:35,191 --> 00:29:36,932 [Aaron]: let's onboard some customers here. 1025 00:29:37,512 --> 00:29:37,573 [Ian Landsman]: Oh 1026 00:29:37,573 --> 00:29:37,673 [Aaron]: And 1027 00:29:37,614 --> 00:29:37,818 [Ian Landsman]: wow. 1028 00:29:37,733 --> 00:29:42,976 [Aaron]: so. Yeah, Colleen and I are talking about like, okay, we're about to approach the 1029 00:29:43,036 --> 00:29:45,738 [Aaron]: starting line of this project. Like, even 1030 00:29:45,739 --> 00:29:45,963 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1031 00:29:45,758 --> 00:29:49,400 [Aaron]: though it feels like this should be the finish line, we're approaching the starting 1032 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,722 [Aaron]: line. Let's talk about like what that's going to look like going forward. 1033 00:29:54,209 --> 00:29:54,335 [Ian Landsman]: Yo. 1034 00:29:54,783 --> 00:29:59,025 [Aaron]: And so there's still some, you know, there's still some decisions and stuff to be 1035 00:29:59,065 --> 00:30:04,388 [Aaron]: made there. But just having someone else that's really, really talented help me 1036 00:30:04,428 --> 00:30:10,798 [Aaron]: on the development side has been like a huge boost in terms of like, like emotional 1037 00:30:10,838 --> 00:30:11,960 [Aaron]: fortitude to 1038 00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:12,201 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1039 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,367 [Aaron]: have somebody else picking up some of that slack. So that's been great. So thanks, 1040 00:30:17,427 --> 00:30:18,408 [Aaron]: Boris. Thanks. 1041 00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:18,772 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1042 00:30:19,229 --> 00:30:22,934 [Aaron]: Thanks for being thanks for being a 10x developer. That's amazing. 1043 00:30:23,494 --> 00:30:24,994 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, 1044 00:30:24,917 --> 00:30:25,257 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1045 00:30:25,034 --> 00:30:29,036 [Ian Landsman]: I think there's getting to shipping is so important. And like, that's something 1046 00:30:29,056 --> 00:30:32,417 [Ian Landsman]: I haven't always factored enough in. And actually with a huge new project that 1047 00:30:32,437 --> 00:30:37,679 [Ian Landsman]: we'll talk about on here eventually. Um, I've been reworking a lot of that so that 1048 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,720 [Ian Landsman]: to try to get to that shipping part faster, 1049 00:30:40,963 --> 00:30:41,194 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1050 00:30:41,021 --> 00:30:46,768 [Ian Landsman]: um, and, uh, Yeah. So I think, uh, I think that's super important. Like six, 1051 00:30:46,788 --> 00:30:48,769 [Ian Landsman]: when you're just on that march of like the 1052 00:30:48,751 --> 00:30:49,024 [Aaron]: Brutal. 1053 00:30:48,849 --> 00:30:53,293 [Ian Landsman]: never ending marches, it is very difficult to stay motivated and even 1054 00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:55,084 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1055 00:30:53,353 --> 00:30:55,134 [Ian Landsman]: to remember what you were trying to do at 1056 00:30:55,124 --> 00:30:55,346 [Aaron]: Yep, 1057 00:30:55,274 --> 00:30:55,815 [Ian Landsman]: times and 1058 00:30:55,769 --> 00:30:55,970 [Aaron]: yep, 1059 00:30:55,835 --> 00:30:56,415 [Ian Landsman]: things like that. 1060 00:30:56,212 --> 00:30:56,353 [Aaron]: yep. 1061 00:30:57,076 --> 00:31:03,781 [Ian Landsman]: And so I think having that, um, yeah, whether it's help or just reorganizing, 1062 00:31:03,861 --> 00:31:08,785 [Ian Landsman]: I think there's actually a Jason Cohen has a really, uh, interesting blog post 1063 00:31:08,805 --> 00:31:12,802 [Ian Landsman]: about this where. kind of indirectly about this, but he was more talking about like 1064 00:31:12,902 --> 00:31:14,703 [Ian Landsman]: MVPs and how he doesn't like MVPs. 1065 00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:15,078 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1066 00:31:15,964 --> 00:31:20,406 [Ian Landsman]: But more about the idea than doing something where it's just smaller but 1067 00:31:20,466 --> 00:31:21,887 [Ian Landsman]: complete so that 1068 00:31:21,802 --> 00:31:21,944 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1069 00:31:22,247 --> 00:31:26,049 [Ian Landsman]: like even if you then don't add on to whatever or even if it takes longer 1070 00:31:26,069 --> 00:31:29,370 [Ian Landsman]: than to get to the full vision, it's not that you're shipping this kind of 1071 00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:35,153 [Ian Landsman]: junky doesn't even work for the customer tool. It's just that you're shipping 1072 00:31:35,213 --> 00:31:43,079 [Ian Landsman]: something that is small but that there is a use set and people could love 1073 00:31:43,099 --> 00:31:46,585 [Ian Landsman]: that small feature set and then you can either build on 1074 00:31:46,583 --> 00:31:46,805 [Aaron]: iterate 1075 00:31:46,645 --> 00:31:46,825 [Ian Landsman]: it or 1076 00:31:46,846 --> 00:31:46,967 [Aaron]: off 1077 00:31:46,885 --> 00:31:47,045 [Ian Landsman]: not 1078 00:31:47,027 --> 00:31:47,088 [Aaron]: of 1079 00:31:47,065 --> 00:31:47,246 [Ian Landsman]: build 1080 00:31:47,128 --> 00:31:47,370 [Aaron]: that, 1081 00:31:47,286 --> 00:31:47,386 [Ian Landsman]: on 1082 00:31:47,390 --> 00:31:47,612 [Aaron]: yeah. 1083 00:31:47,446 --> 00:31:51,332 [Ian Landsman]: it, but that different take on it, which I kind of like that idea of it 1084 00:31:51,392 --> 00:31:51,713 [Ian Landsman]: as well. 1085 00:31:52,374 --> 00:31:58,998 [Aaron]: Yeah, yeah, and I feel like there is, there is like a big emotional win from having 1086 00:31:59,379 --> 00:32:05,183 [Aaron]: that in people's hands. So that you can start to get that like, that, you know, 1087 00:32:05,203 --> 00:32:08,265 [Aaron]: that dopamine from people actually using the thing instead 1088 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:08,564 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1089 00:32:08,325 --> 00:32:10,987 [Aaron]: of just sitting quietly alone working on 1090 00:32:10,922 --> 00:32:11,122 [Ian Landsman]: some 1091 00:32:11,027 --> 00:32:13,328 [Aaron]: it all the time. 1092 00:32:11,803 --> 00:32:13,526 [Ian Landsman]: money changing hands and all that 1093 00:32:13,389 --> 00:32:13,829 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1094 00:32:13,566 --> 00:32:13,926 [Ian Landsman]: stuff. 1095 00:32:13,889 --> 00:32:14,449 [Aaron]: exactly. 1096 00:32:15,388 --> 00:32:15,489 [Ian Landsman]: It's 1097 00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:15,610 [Aaron]: So 1098 00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:15,769 [Ian Landsman]: always. 1099 00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:19,593 [Aaron]: when you mentioned it in passing, you had a big secret project we're going to talk 1100 00:32:19,613 --> 00:32:20,253 [Aaron]: about at some point. 1101 00:32:20,554 --> 00:32:22,075 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, we'll talk about the big secret project 1102 00:32:22,030 --> 00:32:22,991 [Aaron]: Alright, 1103 00:32:22,115 --> 00:32:22,676 [Ian Landsman]: at some point. 1104 00:32:23,091 --> 00:32:23,151 [Aaron]: I 1105 00:32:23,156 --> 00:32:23,397 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 1106 00:32:23,231 --> 00:32:24,333 [Aaron]: love it. Okay, 1107 00:32:23,877 --> 00:32:24,398 [Ian Landsman]: we're not there 1108 00:32:24,393 --> 00:32:24,493 [Aaron]: so 1109 00:32:24,458 --> 00:32:24,658 [Ian Landsman]: yet. 1110 00:32:24,513 --> 00:32:24,914 [Aaron]: y'all stay 1111 00:32:24,698 --> 00:32:24,958 [Ian Landsman]: We're not 1112 00:32:24,954 --> 00:32:25,254 [Aaron]: tuned, 1113 00:32:24,978 --> 00:32:26,280 [Ian Landsman]: there yet. 1114 00:32:25,274 --> 00:32:26,396 [Aaron]: come back. Come back 1115 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:29,684 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1116 00:32:26,436 --> 00:32:29,741 [Aaron]: next week and we'll probably not talk about it then, but keep coming 1117 00:32:29,724 --> 00:32:29,844 [Ian Landsman]: We're 1118 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:30,061 [Aaron]: back 1119 00:32:29,884 --> 00:32:30,184 [Ian Landsman]: not being 1120 00:32:30,101 --> 00:32:30,201 [Aaron]: and 1121 00:32:30,224 --> 00:32:30,404 [Ian Landsman]: next 1122 00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:30,642 [Aaron]: maybe 1123 00:32:30,444 --> 00:32:30,905 [Ian Landsman]: week, but 1124 00:32:31,143 --> 00:32:32,405 [Aaron]: eventually we will 1125 00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:32,907 [Ian Landsman]: eventually, 1126 00:32:32,445 --> 00:32:32,985 [Aaron]: talk about it. 1127 00:32:32,967 --> 00:32:35,690 [Ian Landsman]: eventually we'll get to it. We're definitely gonna talk about it, but not 1128 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:35,931 [Ian Landsman]: yet. 1129 00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:38,706 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1130 00:32:36,832 --> 00:32:38,273 [Ian Landsman]: We have lots of other stuff to talk about though. 1131 00:32:38,726 --> 00:32:38,867 [Aaron]: Let's 1132 00:32:38,814 --> 00:32:38,994 [Ian Landsman]: So 1133 00:32:38,907 --> 00:32:39,028 [Aaron]: do 1134 00:32:39,034 --> 00:32:39,154 [Ian Landsman]: it's 1135 00:32:39,068 --> 00:32:39,149 [Aaron]: it. 1136 00:32:39,354 --> 00:32:44,143 [Ian Landsman]: no worries. What else we got here? So... All right, so what about, well, 1137 00:32:44,163 --> 00:32:47,606 [Ian Landsman]: all right, we can talk about this. So I posted about year of Livewire. What 1138 00:32:47,626 --> 00:32:47,907 [Ian Landsman]: do you think 1139 00:32:47,807 --> 00:32:47,969 [Aaron]: You 1140 00:32:47,927 --> 00:32:48,047 [Ian Landsman]: about 1141 00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:48,475 [Aaron]: did. 1142 00:32:48,087 --> 00:32:52,031 [Ian Landsman]: that? I think 2024 is the year of Livewire, is the year of filament, is the 1143 00:32:52,051 --> 00:32:54,814 [Ian Landsman]: year of the Livewire ecosystem. To 1144 00:32:54,718 --> 00:32:54,999 [Aaron]: Okay, 1145 00:32:54,834 --> 00:32:55,194 [Ian Landsman]: me, this 1146 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:55,801 [Aaron]: so 1147 00:32:55,234 --> 00:32:56,215 [Ian Landsman]: is gonna be a big Livewire 1148 00:32:55,922 --> 00:32:56,203 [Aaron]: before 1149 00:32:56,235 --> 00:32:56,356 [Ian Landsman]: year. 1150 00:32:56,263 --> 00:32:56,544 [Aaron]: I tell 1151 00:32:56,396 --> 00:32:57,937 [Ian Landsman]: All 1152 00:32:56,584 --> 00:32:57,888 [Aaron]: you any thoughts, tell me 1153 00:32:58,057 --> 00:32:58,237 [Ian Landsman]: right. 1154 00:32:58,229 --> 00:33:02,061 [Aaron]: what you were doing and what kind of prompted the Year of Livewire tweet. 1155 00:33:02,826 --> 00:33:08,511 [Ian Landsman]: Well, I've just been super deep in LiveWire again. Um, so sort of a long story, 1156 00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:14,257 [Ian Landsman]: but the short version is I plan to do a bunch of stuff with LiveWire three 1157 00:33:14,337 --> 00:33:15,558 [Ian Landsman]: last year when it was, you 1158 00:33:15,738 --> 00:33:17,829 [Aaron]: Okay. Mm-hmm. 1159 00:33:15,939 --> 00:33:21,004 [Ian Landsman]: know, sort of supposed to come out and actually, you know, did some sponsoring 1160 00:33:21,044 --> 00:33:25,328 [Ian Landsman]: to help do some of that. Whatever. It just took longer as these software projects 1161 00:33:25,348 --> 00:33:30,127 [Ian Landsman]: do whatever. So it's fun. So that's this is where I kind of then got over 1162 00:33:30,167 --> 00:33:32,488 [Ian Landsman]: towards into the React and all that, which we've touched on a 1163 00:33:32,513 --> 00:33:32,804 [Aaron]: Mmm. 1164 00:33:32,528 --> 00:33:36,150 [Ian Landsman]: little bit here. I was like, well, I never looked at inertia. Never looked 1165 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:40,532 [Ian Landsman]: at React. Let me go off in that direction for a bit. So I went over there, 1166 00:33:41,112 --> 00:33:48,316 [Ian Landsman]: learned React, played with inertia and all that stuff. So then LiveWire 3 comes 1167 00:33:48,436 --> 00:33:54,243 [Ian Landsman]: out and. Filament comes out and there's a bunch of other, you know, projects 1168 00:33:54,403 --> 00:33:58,044 [Ian Landsman]: all along the ecosystem. The Spatty stuff's all being updated to LiveWire 1169 00:33:58,084 --> 00:34:02,566 [Ian Landsman]: 3. I know the Laravel Core stuff that uses LiveWire has been updated or will 1170 00:34:02,586 --> 00:34:03,026 [Ian Landsman]: be updated 1171 00:34:02,859 --> 00:34:03,285 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 1172 00:34:03,086 --> 00:34:08,268 [Ian Landsman]: soon. So I've been back in LiveWire 3 streets. I'm like, all right, let me get 1173 00:34:08,288 --> 00:34:11,310 [Ian Landsman]: in here since this was kind of my original plan. And we use LiveWire for 1174 00:34:11,330 --> 00:34:16,012 [Ian Landsman]: other stuff anyways. So Lara Jobs uses it and the store thing that's launching 1175 00:34:16,052 --> 00:34:17,752 [Ian Landsman]: today for Help Spot uses it and 1176 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:17,868 [Aaron]: Nice. 1177 00:34:17,772 --> 00:34:22,606 [Ian Landsman]: whatever. So we use LiveWire a bunch of places, but. And I just love it. 1178 00:34:23,087 --> 00:34:26,389 [Ian Landsman]: I'm not even like super, super deep on it yet, but I've been loving all the 1179 00:34:26,409 --> 00:34:32,732 [Ian Landsman]: changes. I just think it's like so obviously like the foundation to then build 1180 00:34:32,892 --> 00:34:35,694 [Ian Landsman]: on for world domination. And 1181 00:34:35,102 --> 00:34:35,664 [Aaron]: Oh wow. 1182 00:34:35,734 --> 00:34:37,735 [Ian Landsman]: so yeah, I'm all about the world domination. And 1183 00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:38,573 [Aaron]: Yeah, me too. 1184 00:34:38,676 --> 00:34:42,278 [Ian Landsman]: I just think this is like, it's so integrated with Laravel in the way that 1185 00:34:42,338 --> 00:34:48,001 [Ian Landsman]: none of the other things can ever be, right? And so, yeah, it's just great. 1186 00:34:48,041 --> 00:34:51,791 [Ian Landsman]: And I think what the film in... guys are doing is great and how they've expanded 1187 00:34:51,831 --> 00:34:54,934 [Ian Landsman]: that to where you can build. It's not just like an admin panel anymore. 1188 00:34:54,974 --> 00:34:58,937 [Ian Landsman]: It's, you know, got bigger ambitions than that. And you can really use it to build 1189 00:34:58,997 --> 00:35:04,882 [Ian Landsman]: other sorts of apps and things. Um, and I mean, filament sort of a little bit 1190 00:35:04,942 --> 00:35:06,764 [Ian Landsman]: intense, uh, and, and 1191 00:35:06,678 --> 00:35:07,078 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1192 00:35:07,004 --> 00:35:07,324 [Ian Landsman]: heavy 1193 00:35:07,179 --> 00:35:07,279 [Aaron]: so 1194 00:35:07,384 --> 00:35:07,925 [Ian Landsman]: to get started 1195 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:07,940 [Aaron]: talk 1196 00:35:07,945 --> 00:35:08,185 [Ian Landsman]: with, 1197 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,401 [Aaron]: to me about 1198 00:35:08,245 --> 00:35:08,485 [Ian Landsman]: but. 1199 00:35:08,461 --> 00:35:13,291 [Aaron]: Filament. Cause I thought it was an admin panel, but now I'm seeing people like 1200 00:35:13,331 --> 00:35:15,535 [Aaron]: you say, it's like application builders. So like, 1201 00:35:15,992 --> 00:35:16,286 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1202 00:35:16,437 --> 00:35:18,461 [Aaron]: what is the scope? What is the scope there? 1203 00:35:18,590 --> 00:35:21,632 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, I mean, the scope is kind of massive. So I mean, it's definitely where 1204 00:35:21,652 --> 00:35:25,756 [Ian Landsman]: you could use it now for, and maybe you always could to some degree, but 1205 00:35:25,776 --> 00:35:28,838 [Ian Landsman]: I think it's been fleshed out a bit more where it's not just like admin for 1206 00:35:28,858 --> 00:35:31,440 [Ian Landsman]: the, like the literal admins of the 1207 00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:31,663 [Aaron]: Uh huh. 1208 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:38,226 [Ian Landsman]: system to manage a SaaS app, but you could definitely use it whether, it's 1209 00:35:38,266 --> 00:35:40,788 [Ian Landsman]: gonna be a little hard to explain, but they have this kind of a panel, which is 1210 00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:44,411 [Ian Landsman]: sort of like an admin dashboard, but you could use it for actually the UI of 1211 00:35:44,431 --> 00:35:45,492 [Ian Landsman]: your app now with what 1212 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:46,094 [Aaron]: interesting. 1213 00:35:45,592 --> 00:35:51,759 [Ian Landsman]: they've done with it. or part of the UI, like maybe you have like, you know, 1214 00:35:51,799 --> 00:35:55,640 [Ian Landsman]: like a user area, but then there might be other areas that don't necessarily 1215 00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:58,961 [Ian Landsman]: use filament for like the front, let's say that maybe is 1216 00:35:58,975 --> 00:35:59,162 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1217 00:35:59,021 --> 00:36:02,362 [Ian Landsman]: more custom or things like that. So you could mix and match. You could also 1218 00:36:02,382 --> 00:36:05,363 [Ian Landsman]: just use the individual components like the table builder. Like I just saw like 1219 00:36:05,703 --> 00:36:07,223 [Ian Landsman]: Spatty's using the table builder 1220 00:36:07,818 --> 00:36:08,706 [Aaron]: Yeah, I've 1221 00:36:08,684 --> 00:36:08,844 [Ian Landsman]: in 1222 00:36:08,727 --> 00:36:09,695 [Aaron]: seen the table builder. 1223 00:36:09,464 --> 00:36:14,005 [Ian Landsman]: the media library, I think. Yeah, and the form builder and things like 1224 00:36:14,045 --> 00:36:14,325 [Ian Landsman]: that. 1225 00:36:14,123 --> 00:36:14,413 [Aaron]: Uh huh. 1226 00:36:14,385 --> 00:36:20,455 [Ian Landsman]: So. And, you know, it's basically the missing component library of the Laravel 1227 00:36:20,535 --> 00:36:21,956 [Ian Landsman]: LiveWire kind of 1228 00:36:22,443 --> 00:36:22,770 [Aaron]: I see. 1229 00:36:22,777 --> 00:36:27,462 [Ian Landsman]: ecosystem, in terms of if you want the like fully integrated components. 1230 00:36:27,502 --> 00:36:31,806 [Ian Landsman]: Now, I still don't think they're all the way, and they're definitely not all 1231 00:36:31,847 --> 00:36:37,172 [Ian Landsman]: the way, to sort of the full-on polishness of like the React ecosystem. 1232 00:36:37,808 --> 00:36:37,995 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1233 00:36:39,082 --> 00:36:42,983 [Ian Landsman]: But I do think it's gotten a lot closer and is a lot better. And then you're 1234 00:36:43,003 --> 00:36:47,185 [Ian Landsman]: making different trade-offs. Maybe it's not quite as uber polished as that 1235 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:51,427 [Ian Landsman]: in areas, but then on the flip side, it's super tied into Laravel and 1236 00:36:51,554 --> 00:36:52,288 [Aaron]: Right? Hmm. 1237 00:36:52,327 --> 00:36:55,408 [Ian Landsman]: it understands Laravel. And you can just totally ignore a whole bunch of 1238 00:36:55,468 --> 00:36:59,510 [Ian Landsman]: annoying kind of API validation, 1239 00:36:59,202 --> 00:36:59,667 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1240 00:36:59,670 --> 00:37:07,153 [Ian Landsman]: all that stuff, networking communication type things because it all just magically works. 1241 00:37:07,193 --> 00:37:10,130 [Ian Landsman]: So... Yeah, so I don't know, 1242 00:37:10,158 --> 00:37:10,238 [Aaron]: So 1243 00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:10,490 [Ian Landsman]: I think, 1244 00:37:10,278 --> 00:37:10,881 [Aaron]: are you using 1245 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:13,011 [Ian Landsman]: hmm. 1246 00:37:10,921 --> 00:37:12,429 [Aaron]: filament for anything at this point? 1247 00:37:13,071 --> 00:37:17,834 [Ian Landsman]: So I'm not, well, we use actually one of the components like the table builder 1248 00:37:18,034 --> 00:37:18,614 [Ian Landsman]: in the new 1249 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:18,754 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1250 00:37:18,654 --> 00:37:27,798 [Ian Landsman]: store. But I am evaluating for a super big secret project, possibly using 1251 00:37:27,858 --> 00:37:29,479 [Ian Landsman]: it pretty heavily. So 1252 00:37:29,604 --> 00:37:29,856 [Aaron]: Okay. 1253 00:37:30,479 --> 00:37:36,690 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, so that's what I've been kind of digging into that stuff. But yeah, 1254 00:37:36,730 --> 00:37:39,632 [Ian Landsman]: I just think it's like all reaches place. I think it's all gonna get a lot better 1255 00:37:39,692 --> 00:37:42,994 [Ian Landsman]: too. Like they're coming out with like, like Filman's the lead designer, 1256 00:37:43,034 --> 00:37:44,395 [Ian Landsman]: I think he is at Filman is coming 1257 00:37:44,314 --> 00:37:44,503 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1258 00:37:44,415 --> 00:37:49,459 [Ian Landsman]: out with like a theme package so that you can have some different styles 1259 00:37:49,499 --> 00:37:52,401 [Ian Landsman]: in there. If you want something like a little cleaner than the default, things 1260 00:37:52,421 --> 00:37:52,881 [Ian Landsman]: like that. 1261 00:37:53,001 --> 00:37:53,164 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1262 00:37:54,722 --> 00:37:58,545 [Ian Landsman]: And yeah, there's just a lot of activity on the LiveWire end and the Filman 1263 00:37:58,645 --> 00:38:02,087 [Ian Landsman]: end with people, you know, doing a lot of active dev work around it. So 1264 00:38:02,622 --> 00:38:02,902 [Aaron]: It does 1265 00:38:02,768 --> 00:38:03,188 [Ian Landsman]: I expect 1266 00:38:02,922 --> 00:38:03,242 [Aaron]: seem to 1267 00:38:03,228 --> 00:38:03,468 [Ian Landsman]: everything 1268 00:38:03,262 --> 00:38:03,402 [Aaron]: be 1269 00:38:03,488 --> 00:38:03,548 [Ian Landsman]: to 1270 00:38:03,522 --> 00:38:03,562 [Aaron]: a 1271 00:38:03,568 --> 00:38:03,869 [Ian Landsman]: get a lot 1272 00:38:03,842 --> 00:38:04,362 [Aaron]: very 1273 00:38:03,889 --> 00:38:04,129 [Ian Landsman]: better. 1274 00:38:04,503 --> 00:38:05,603 [Aaron]: active project. 1275 00:38:05,918 --> 00:38:06,199 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 1276 00:38:06,243 --> 00:38:06,524 [Aaron]: It seems 1277 00:38:06,421 --> 00:38:06,642 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, 1278 00:38:06,544 --> 00:38:06,684 [Aaron]: like 1279 00:38:06,682 --> 00:38:06,903 [Ian Landsman]: film 1280 00:38:06,704 --> 00:38:06,944 [Aaron]: there are 1281 00:38:06,964 --> 00:38:07,024 [Ian Landsman]: is 1282 00:38:06,964 --> 00:38:07,204 [Aaron]: a lot 1283 00:38:07,044 --> 00:38:07,205 [Ian Landsman]: very 1284 00:38:07,224 --> 00:38:07,284 [Aaron]: of 1285 00:38:07,265 --> 00:38:07,567 [Ian Landsman]: active. 1286 00:38:07,324 --> 00:38:12,246 [Aaron]: people working on it and there's a lot of motion on it and a lot of people are 1287 00:38:12,287 --> 00:38:17,809 [Aaron]: like contributing to it. Is there a paid component? How do these people make money? 1288 00:38:19,442 --> 00:38:25,106 [Ian Landsman]: Uh, filament, I don't believe has a directly paid component. No, um, you 1289 00:38:25,126 --> 00:38:26,727 [Ian Landsman]: can sponsor Dan 1290 00:38:26,562 --> 00:38:26,762 [Aaron]: Got 1291 00:38:26,767 --> 00:38:26,987 [Ian Landsman]: who 1292 00:38:26,842 --> 00:38:26,963 [Aaron]: it. 1293 00:38:27,147 --> 00:38:28,889 [Ian Landsman]: kind of runs it. Um, and 1294 00:38:28,947 --> 00:38:29,008 [Aaron]: Oh, 1295 00:38:28,989 --> 00:38:29,149 [Ian Landsman]: same 1296 00:38:29,028 --> 00:38:29,409 [Aaron]: and Dan 1297 00:38:29,169 --> 00:38:29,509 [Ian Landsman]: with lot. 1298 00:38:29,469 --> 00:38:31,373 [Aaron]: is working for a company, right? 1299 00:38:31,751 --> 00:38:34,273 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, I think he works for Kershbaum. Um, 1300 00:38:33,854 --> 00:38:34,918 [Aaron]: Yeah, and he 1301 00:38:34,873 --> 00:38:34,973 [Ian Landsman]: so 1302 00:38:34,958 --> 00:38:35,219 [Aaron]: works 1303 00:38:34,993 --> 00:38:35,574 [Ian Landsman]: I think he's like 1304 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:35,701 [Aaron]: on 1305 00:38:35,694 --> 00:38:36,955 [Ian Landsman]: semi sponsored 1306 00:38:36,424 --> 00:38:37,428 [Aaron]: film. Yeah, 1307 00:38:36,995 --> 00:38:37,675 [Ian Landsman]: in that way. I don't 1308 00:38:37,568 --> 00:38:37,769 [Aaron]: okay. 1309 00:38:37,715 --> 00:38:41,138 [Ian Landsman]: know exactly the exact deal there, but I do think they do give him at least 1310 00:38:41,838 --> 00:38:48,459 [Ian Landsman]: some time to work on it is my impression. Um, And then, you know, Caleb has 1311 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,821 [Ian Landsman]: the kind of Livewire, the Alpine components, I 1312 00:38:51,814 --> 00:38:52,155 [Aaron]: Right, 1313 00:38:51,841 --> 00:38:52,601 [Ian Landsman]: know he sells, 1314 00:38:52,195 --> 00:38:52,556 [Aaron]: yeah. 1315 00:38:52,701 --> 00:38:54,742 [Ian Landsman]: and he has a lot of GitHub sponsors, although 1316 00:38:54,643 --> 00:38:56,770 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1317 00:38:54,822 --> 00:38:56,824 [Ian Landsman]: GitHub has kind of messed that up a little bit 1318 00:38:56,791 --> 00:38:57,312 [Aaron]: They have, 1319 00:38:57,004 --> 00:38:57,324 [Ian Landsman]: on the 1320 00:38:57,372 --> 00:38:57,513 [Aaron]: yeah. 1321 00:38:57,524 --> 00:39:03,728 [Ian Landsman]: sponsorship front. But and Livewire also has a paid support channel now, too, if 1322 00:39:03,748 --> 00:39:04,008 [Ian Landsman]: you want 1323 00:39:03,970 --> 00:39:04,175 [Aaron]: That's 1324 00:39:04,028 --> 00:39:04,268 [Ian Landsman]: to get 1325 00:39:04,216 --> 00:39:04,421 [Aaron]: right. 1326 00:39:04,328 --> 00:39:07,410 [Ian Landsman]: paid support for like if you have a big Livewire project and want to be 1327 00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:12,593 [Ian Landsman]: able to have kind of direct access to the core brain trust, then you can. 1328 00:39:13,206 --> 00:39:13,666 [Ian Landsman]: can pay 1329 00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:13,747 [Aaron]: That's 1330 00:39:13,706 --> 00:39:13,846 [Ian Landsman]: them 1331 00:39:13,788 --> 00:39:13,975 [Aaron]: right. 1332 00:39:13,866 --> 00:39:18,370 [Ian Landsman]: for that, which is a great program too. So yeah, I mean, all these things, I think, 1333 00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:20,532 [Ian Landsman]: it's like every open source project, it's like how do you 1334 00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:23,419 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1335 00:39:22,234 --> 00:39:23,675 [Ian Landsman]: monetize it to kind 1336 00:39:23,499 --> 00:39:23,780 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1337 00:39:23,755 --> 00:39:26,358 [Ian Landsman]: of survive and pay the bills so 1338 00:39:26,309 --> 00:39:26,610 [Aaron]: Tough, 1339 00:39:26,378 --> 00:39:26,898 [Ian Landsman]: you can build 1340 00:39:26,671 --> 00:39:27,253 [Aaron]: tough question. 1341 00:39:26,958 --> 00:39:30,121 [Ian Landsman]: the open source thing people want. But. 1342 00:39:29,714 --> 00:39:38,805 [Aaron]: Okay, so Livewire 3 plus ecosystem plus tight integration with Laravel. That's 1343 00:39:38,825 --> 00:39:42,389 [Aaron]: why you think 2024 is the year of Livewire. 1344 00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:46,132 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, I just think with this new foundation, so there's always been a little 1345 00:39:46,152 --> 00:39:48,274 [Ian Landsman]: bit of rough edges to LiveWire 1346 00:39:48,218 --> 00:39:48,467 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1347 00:39:49,175 --> 00:39:52,117 [Ian Landsman]: when you get in there and build something more complicated where there can 1348 00:39:52,297 --> 00:39:59,603 [Ian Landsman]: be just more difficult error states or a lot of subtle things you have to 1349 00:39:59,623 --> 00:40:00,304 [Ian Landsman]: be aware of 1350 00:40:00,163 --> 00:40:00,409 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1351 00:40:00,364 --> 00:40:04,878 [Ian Landsman]: to make that work. And so... I think that was always a little bit tricky. 1352 00:40:05,379 --> 00:40:07,820 [Ian Landsman]: Over for pages with lots of components, there'd be like a lot 1353 00:40:07,683 --> 00:40:07,914 [Aaron]: Right? 1354 00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:11,242 [Ian Landsman]: of network stuff going on and things like that. And a lot of that stuff is, 1355 00:40:11,262 --> 00:40:15,864 [Ian Landsman]: I mean, almost all of it really has been, you know, made a lot better fixed 1356 00:40:15,672 --> 00:40:15,861 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1357 00:40:16,244 --> 00:40:21,007 [Ian Landsman]: if it was like kind of more bugs or more sensible defaults or optimized 1358 00:40:21,027 --> 00:40:25,449 [Ian Landsman]: in terms of like the networking. So like the foundation is super strong. And 1359 00:40:25,529 --> 00:40:30,292 [Ian Landsman]: I think... with filament on top, then you just have this nice way to actually 1360 00:40:30,312 --> 00:40:31,893 [Ian Landsman]: get started with, 1361 00:40:31,504 --> 00:40:31,649 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1362 00:40:32,014 --> 00:40:36,417 [Ian Landsman]: bam, I can like build out an idea really quickly, which I know has always 1363 00:40:36,437 --> 00:40:42,402 [Ian Landsman]: been also kind of one of Taylor's core tenants, so to speak, 1364 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:42,509 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1365 00:40:42,442 --> 00:40:46,625 [Ian Landsman]: with Laravel is like, can you get to building something, you know, pretty 1366 00:40:46,665 --> 00:40:50,728 [Ian Landsman]: quickly, which why Laravel always does such a great job with, you know, the other 1367 00:40:50,808 --> 00:40:56,693 [Ian Landsman]: elements of like. Uh, you know, authentication and having all those jet stream 1368 00:40:56,713 --> 00:41:00,516 [Ian Landsman]: and all those things to make it really easy to just get all that boiler 1369 00:41:00,536 --> 00:41:03,759 [Ian Landsman]: plate stuff that is terrible to build kind of out of the way right at the 1370 00:41:03,779 --> 00:41:08,483 [Ian Landsman]: beginning and Laravel just can give you that. So, so yeah, I don't know. I 1371 00:41:08,503 --> 00:41:12,346 [Ian Landsman]: just think, uh, you know, you know, I now having just gone through all the 1372 00:41:12,366 --> 00:41:18,071 [Ian Landsman]: react stuff too, it's like, you know, even with inertia. It's still, you 1373 00:41:18,091 --> 00:41:20,354 [Ian Landsman]: know, it's still JavaScript, right? 1374 00:41:20,255 --> 00:41:20,515 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1375 00:41:20,474 --> 00:41:20,674 [Ian Landsman]: Like 1376 00:41:20,535 --> 00:41:20,695 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1377 00:41:20,754 --> 00:41:21,295 [Ian Landsman]: ultimately, 1378 00:41:21,016 --> 00:41:22,817 [Aaron]: got him. Got him. Welcome 1379 00:41:22,777 --> 00:41:22,877 [Ian Landsman]: it's 1380 00:41:22,857 --> 00:41:23,257 [Aaron]: home, 1381 00:41:22,897 --> 00:41:23,678 [Ian Landsman]: still JavaScript. 1382 00:41:23,297 --> 00:41:23,778 [Aaron]: baby. 1383 00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:24,139 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, I'm 1384 00:41:24,098 --> 00:41:24,338 [Aaron]: You're 1385 00:41:24,179 --> 00:41:24,419 [Ian Landsman]: back 1386 00:41:24,378 --> 00:41:24,899 [Aaron]: back. 1387 00:41:24,439 --> 00:41:25,701 [Ian Landsman]: home. 1388 00:41:25,499 --> 00:41:26,000 [Aaron]: Woo. 1389 00:41:25,741 --> 00:41:25,961 [Ian Landsman]: So. 1390 00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:28,081 [Aaron]: It's still JavaScript. 1391 00:41:27,962 --> 00:41:30,883 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, it's still JavaScript. And it's like, if you don't have to be in there 1392 00:41:30,963 --> 00:41:35,065 [Ian Landsman]: or if something can make it nice for you so that you're in there but you 1393 00:41:35,105 --> 00:41:38,287 [Ian Landsman]: don't have to really know too much about it except for when you really need 1394 00:41:38,327 --> 00:41:40,888 [Ian Landsman]: to. And then LiveWire does a great job with that. It's all integrated with 1395 00:41:40,988 --> 00:41:45,710 [Ian Landsman]: Alpine like fully now. So it used to be the sort of like they weren't actually 1396 00:41:45,412 --> 00:41:45,769 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1397 00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:48,812 [Ian Landsman]: one in the same but now it's essentially like they're one in the same. And 1398 00:41:48,832 --> 00:41:54,374 [Ian Landsman]: so you can use Alpine, which I like a lot and they can cross communicate 1399 00:41:54,434 --> 00:41:59,077 [Ian Landsman]: really easily where you need to. for those times we do need to do something 1400 00:41:59,117 --> 00:42:04,719 [Ian Landsman]: JavaScripty that's literally only in the browser, then great, like you can 1401 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,761 [Ian Landsman]: do those weirdo JavaScripty things 1402 00:42:06,976 --> 00:42:07,119 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1403 00:42:07,121 --> 00:42:11,683 [Ian Landsman]: and sync it up with LiveWire if you need to and have that all work magically. 1404 00:42:11,783 --> 00:42:14,425 [Ian Landsman]: So yeah, 1405 00:42:13,482 --> 00:42:14,702 [Aaron]: I buy it. I buy 1406 00:42:14,665 --> 00:42:15,225 [Ian Landsman]: there 1407 00:42:14,922 --> 00:42:15,343 [Aaron]: it. I'm with 1408 00:42:15,285 --> 00:42:15,445 [Ian Landsman]: you 1409 00:42:15,383 --> 00:42:15,503 [Aaron]: you. 1410 00:42:15,485 --> 00:42:15,525 [Ian Landsman]: go. 1411 00:42:15,563 --> 00:42:22,147 [Aaron]: So I think I think Livewire 3 is like a step change, like a fundamental 1412 00:42:21,164 --> 00:42:21,353 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1413 00:42:22,787 --> 00:42:27,630 [Aaron]: improvement over Livewire 2. Just I was never a heavy Livewire user and I'm still 1414 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:33,753 [Aaron]: not actually. But I have used Livewire 2 and I've used Livewire 3 and I do think all 1415 00:42:33,813 --> 00:42:38,356 [Aaron]: of the time and energy that Caleb put into Livewire 3 was worth it because 1416 00:42:38,238 --> 00:42:38,479 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 1417 00:42:38,416 --> 00:42:38,816 [Aaron]: I think 1418 00:42:39,042 --> 00:42:39,303 [Ian Landsman]: totally 1419 00:42:39,176 --> 00:42:39,417 [Aaron]: I think 1420 00:42:39,323 --> 00:42:39,484 [Ian Landsman]: agree. 1421 00:42:39,457 --> 00:42:46,764 [Aaron]: a lot of a lot of the like I feel like a lot of the drive-by criticisms of LiveWire 1422 00:42:46,884 --> 00:42:51,166 [Aaron]: 2 was around performance and requests and that kind of stuff. 1423 00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:51,650 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1424 00:42:51,607 --> 00:42:57,090 [Aaron]: And I feel like Caleb went to the nth degree trying to solve some of the batching 1425 00:42:57,290 --> 00:43:01,892 [Aaron]: and like you said, tight integration with Alpine. So you can do some stuff that 1426 00:43:02,012 --> 00:43:06,055 [Aaron]: is strictly front end, but is still fully integrated to LiveWire such that when 1427 00:43:06,075 --> 00:43:08,356 [Aaron]: you do send a request, like it all goes together. 1428 00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:09,321 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1429 00:43:10,437 --> 00:43:15,656 [Aaron]: And so I think I think my point of view on LiveWire is, I actually don't mind 1430 00:43:15,736 --> 00:43:20,298 [Aaron]: writing JavaScript that much because I write view and not react. Little barb to 1431 00:43:20,358 --> 00:43:20,638 [Aaron]: react 1432 00:43:20,664 --> 00:43:20,744 [Ian Landsman]: I'm 1433 00:43:20,698 --> 00:43:20,878 [Aaron]: there. 1434 00:43:20,784 --> 00:43:21,565 [Ian Landsman]: not going to view 1435 00:43:21,459 --> 00:43:22,559 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1436 00:43:21,886 --> 00:43:22,467 [Ian Landsman]: that for sure, 1437 00:43:22,579 --> 00:43:24,000 [Aaron]: Okay. 1438 00:43:22,908 --> 00:43:23,929 [Ian Landsman]: but we're not talking about that again. 1439 00:43:24,020 --> 00:43:31,784 [Aaron]: Yeah. But what I do love about LiveWire is just the network chasm has been crossed 1440 00:43:32,145 --> 00:43:36,267 [Aaron]: and you don't have to worry about, I think you mentioned like APIs and validation 1441 00:43:36,307 --> 00:43:39,829 [Aaron]: at some point. Like it's just all, it's just all there. Like the front 1442 00:43:39,884 --> 00:43:40,115 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1443 00:43:39,889 --> 00:43:44,562 [Aaron]: end and back end. is handled, like the communication between the two is handled 1444 00:43:44,762 --> 00:43:50,264 [Aaron]: for you. And that is just, it's just a delight to use to not think about like, all 1445 00:43:50,284 --> 00:43:54,145 [Aaron]: right, how am I going to serialize this and send it across the wire and validate 1446 00:43:54,165 --> 00:44:00,847 [Aaron]: it and send some response back and respond to it. Like Jason wired up my new website 1447 00:44:00,867 --> 00:44:04,668 [Aaron]: and there's like a listing of content and you can filter between like videos and 1448 00:44:04,728 --> 00:44:08,429 [Aaron]: articles and talks and that kind of thing. And he did it all in LiveWire 1449 00:44:11,586 --> 00:44:12,551 [Aaron]: Is that the single page one 1450 00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:13,170 [Ian Landsman]: Yep. 1451 00:44:12,571 --> 00:44:15,025 [Aaron]: or is Volt the single page one? Which one's the page router? 1452 00:44:14,712 --> 00:44:18,555 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. Well, the Volt is the single page live wire component 1453 00:44:18,454 --> 00:44:18,814 [Aaron]: Yes, 1454 00:44:18,715 --> 00:44:21,177 [Ian Landsman]: and then, yeah. 1455 00:44:19,594 --> 00:44:20,954 [Aaron]: Folio's the page routing. Okay, 1456 00:44:21,237 --> 00:44:21,377 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1457 00:44:21,274 --> 00:44:23,815 [Aaron]: so he did it all with volt style LiveWire. 1458 00:44:23,725 --> 00:44:23,951 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 1459 00:44:24,275 --> 00:44:28,336 [Aaron]: And so you just open up this content list.blade.php and like you 1460 00:44:28,311 --> 00:44:28,563 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 1461 00:44:28,356 --> 00:44:32,137 [Aaron]: see a little bit of LiveWire at the top and then the view or the template at the 1462 00:44:32,157 --> 00:44:34,018 [Aaron]: bottom. It's like, oh, 1463 00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:34,191 [Ian Landsman]: there. 1464 00:44:34,718 --> 00:44:35,278 [Aaron]: I get this. 1465 00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:36,463 [Ian Landsman]: Right. Ha ha ha. 1466 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:40,580 [Aaron]: This has like collapsed a level of mental complexity in my mind 1467 00:44:40,162 --> 00:44:40,372 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1468 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:49,135 [Aaron]: and I really dig it. So I do think, I do think. ecosystem is developing. I think 1469 00:44:49,175 --> 00:44:54,200 [Aaron]: all the work that Filament is doing is great. I think also Filo, everything that 1470 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:55,301 [Aaron]: Filo touches 1471 00:44:55,094 --> 00:44:55,356 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 1472 00:44:55,341 --> 00:44:55,421 [Aaron]: in 1473 00:44:55,376 --> 00:44:55,578 [Ian Landsman]: I feel 1474 00:44:55,441 --> 00:44:55,961 [Aaron]: the Livewire 1475 00:44:55,598 --> 00:44:55,800 [Ian Landsman]: that. 1476 00:44:56,021 --> 00:45:01,686 [Aaron]: ecosystem is incredibly high quality and he's got, I don't know all of his projects, 1477 00:45:01,706 --> 00:45:06,310 [Aaron]: but he's got a lot of stuff going on over there. But I could see it. I could see 1478 00:45:06,350 --> 00:45:12,354 [Aaron]: 2024 being the year of Livewire and hopefully with like the... the PHP resurgence 1479 00:45:13,216 --> 00:45:15,262 [Aaron]: and me trying to convince people that PHP 1480 00:45:14,954 --> 00:45:15,414 [Ian Landsman]: Yes, 1481 00:45:15,302 --> 00:45:15,804 [Aaron]: is good. 1482 00:45:15,955 --> 00:45:16,075 [Ian Landsman]: get 1483 00:45:16,044 --> 00:45:16,405 [Aaron]: Hopefully 1484 00:45:16,095 --> 00:45:17,216 [Ian Landsman]: them over to team effort. 1485 00:45:17,689 --> 00:45:19,313 [Aaron]: we get some momentum going here. 1486 00:45:19,758 --> 00:45:24,903 [Ian Landsman]: Well, the other thing too, I think that's huge for LiveWire is this sort 1487 00:45:25,003 --> 00:45:30,588 [Ian Landsman]: of, that it's been fully brought into the fold under the Laravel domain. So 1488 00:45:30,628 --> 00:45:34,672 [Ian Landsman]: it's like livewire.laravel.com. So that's always the other thing is like, you 1489 00:45:34,692 --> 00:45:39,397 [Ian Landsman]: know, you can drop LiveWire in for sure and just like use it here and there, 1490 00:45:39,417 --> 00:45:43,418 [Ian Landsman]: but also it's. You know, I think ideally in some ways like you'd be, especially 1491 00:45:43,438 --> 00:45:46,383 [Ian Landsman]: in three, where there's like kind of the single page mode where it can 1492 00:45:46,294 --> 00:45:46,475 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1493 00:45:46,423 --> 00:45:46,643 [Ian Landsman]: really 1494 00:45:46,495 --> 00:45:47,581 [Aaron]: which 1495 00:45:46,663 --> 00:45:47,785 [Ian Landsman]: be preloading things 1496 00:45:47,601 --> 00:45:48,023 [Aaron]: is super 1497 00:45:47,805 --> 00:45:48,045 [Ian Landsman]: and like, 1498 00:45:48,063 --> 00:45:48,265 [Aaron]: cool. 1499 00:45:48,285 --> 00:45:54,210 [Ian Landsman]: so you can just have it be everything basically. But that's a huge commitment. And 1500 00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:56,731 [Ian Landsman]: obviously everybody's always scared about like, well, this is like kind 1501 00:45:56,771 --> 00:45:59,032 [Ian Landsman]: of a thing. It's run by, you know, one 1502 00:45:58,990 --> 00:45:59,053 [Aaron]: You 1503 00:45:59,072 --> 00:45:59,132 [Ian Landsman]: or 1504 00:45:59,074 --> 00:45:59,284 [Aaron]: all right? 1505 00:45:59,172 --> 00:46:02,413 [Ian Landsman]: two people. Like, do I want to have my entire app built on this thing? 1506 00:46:03,213 --> 00:46:08,376 [Ian Landsman]: And so, you know, being in the official Laravel fold just has that extra level 1507 00:46:08,416 --> 00:46:12,177 [Ian Landsman]: of assurance that, you know what, like the Laravel in-crew is going to 1508 00:46:12,197 --> 00:46:17,600 [Ian Landsman]: take care of this project, like no matter what LiveWire is here to stay and 1509 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,766 [Ian Landsman]: it's going to get better and it's going to be either even more. integrated 1510 00:46:22,846 --> 00:46:26,849 [Ian Landsman]: into Laravel core in the future in different ways. And so, and same with volt 1511 00:46:26,869 --> 00:46:32,194 [Ian Landsman]: being released by Laravel Inc. So you have that support there. So it's just 1512 00:46:32,234 --> 00:46:37,858 [Ian Landsman]: like everything's coming. Everybody's on board with LiveWire that this is how. This 1513 00:46:37,899 --> 00:46:41,321 [Ian Landsman]: is like the default way to me to write a Laravel app. It's like. 1514 00:46:41,858 --> 00:46:42,203 [Aaron]: Woo, 1515 00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:42,590 [Ian Landsman]: it's 1516 00:46:42,527 --> 00:46:42,729 [Aaron]: that's 1517 00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:43,390 [Ian Landsman]: LiveWire. 1518 00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:43,236 [Aaron]: spicy. 1519 00:46:43,570 --> 00:46:46,392 [Ian Landsman]: And then like then there's, you know, obviously there's other reasons why 1520 00:46:46,412 --> 00:46:47,052 [Ian Landsman]: you might use 1521 00:46:47,394 --> 00:46:47,516 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1522 00:46:47,613 --> 00:46:51,975 [Ian Landsman]: ReactorView or just Blade in a super simple scenario, whatever, but kind 1523 00:46:52,035 --> 00:46:58,278 [Ian Landsman]: of your main line, I'm building a real app that's significant in size. I feel 1524 00:46:58,298 --> 00:47:03,521 [Ian Landsman]: like LiveWire is the front end technology you're looking at for that on Laravel. 1525 00:47:03,541 --> 00:47:06,963 [Ian Landsman]: And that's what kind of where things are going in my mind. So anyway, so 1526 00:47:07,023 --> 00:47:09,985 [Ian Landsman]: I think all of that kind of comes together to be the year of LiveWire. 1527 00:47:10,405 --> 00:47:10,525 [Ian Landsman]: So 1528 00:47:10,526 --> 00:47:10,586 [Aaron]: I 1529 00:47:10,545 --> 00:47:10,705 [Ian Landsman]: we'll 1530 00:47:10,626 --> 00:47:10,786 [Aaron]: like 1531 00:47:10,745 --> 00:47:11,565 [Ian Landsman]: see, yeah. 1532 00:47:10,846 --> 00:47:12,687 [Aaron]: it. You want to hear my spicy take on the 1533 00:47:12,722 --> 00:47:13,023 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1534 00:47:12,787 --> 00:47:14,447 [Aaron]: sub domain sub domain thing? 1535 00:47:14,366 --> 00:47:15,449 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, sub the main 1536 00:47:15,408 --> 00:47:15,468 [Aaron]: I 1537 00:47:15,469 --> 00:47:15,629 [Ian Landsman]: thing. 1538 00:47:15,548 --> 00:47:19,530 [Aaron]: want there to be inertia.laravelle.com too. And I 1539 00:47:19,502 --> 00:47:20,434 [Ian Landsman]: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 1540 00:47:19,590 --> 00:47:24,112 [Aaron]: know I know that inertia is like all things to all people. A little Bible reference 1541 00:47:24,132 --> 00:47:24,992 [Aaron]: there. But I know 1542 00:47:24,762 --> 00:47:25,004 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1543 00:47:25,012 --> 00:47:27,333 [Aaron]: that inertia has all these different frameworks. 1544 00:47:27,983 --> 00:47:28,265 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1545 00:47:28,094 --> 00:47:31,155 [Aaron]: I want I want it to be first party 1546 00:47:31,254 --> 00:47:31,455 [Ian Landsman]: to be 1547 00:47:31,375 --> 00:47:31,956 [Aaron]: Laravel. 1548 00:47:31,495 --> 00:47:32,281 [Ian Landsman]: in the fold, 1549 00:47:32,356 --> 00:47:32,776 [Aaron]: Yes, 1550 00:47:32,502 --> 00:47:32,784 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 1551 00:47:32,856 --> 00:47:37,388 [Aaron]: I want it to be in the fold, fully adopted. And I know that it's like feature 1552 00:47:37,428 --> 00:47:44,799 [Aaron]: complete or whatever, but I just want it to be more specific to Laravel and maybe 1553 00:47:44,839 --> 00:47:48,664 [Aaron]: like, sure, continue on with the other frameworks, you know, bless their hearts. But 1554 00:47:48,684 --> 00:47:51,989 [Aaron]: like, I want it to be more specific to Laravel. 1555 00:47:51,978 --> 00:47:56,041 [Ian Landsman]: Well, this is a very interesting point because this is actually, um, one of 1556 00:47:56,061 --> 00:47:59,444 [Ian Landsman]: the things I hit with inertia and now it's been like two months, so I don't 1557 00:47:59,464 --> 00:48:01,385 [Ian Landsman]: even remember the exact details, but basically 1558 00:48:00,957 --> 00:48:01,142 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1559 00:48:01,465 --> 00:48:04,968 [Ian Landsman]: I hit a thing where like, I thought it should be doing something a little 1560 00:48:04,988 --> 00:48:07,310 [Ian Landsman]: bit differently and I wish I could remember the details, but I literally 1561 00:48:07,330 --> 00:48:08,671 [Ian Landsman]: don't even remember the details, 1562 00:48:09,084 --> 00:48:09,264 [Aaron]: This is 1563 00:48:09,272 --> 00:48:09,492 [Ian Landsman]: but 1564 00:48:09,284 --> 00:48:10,447 [Aaron]: gonna be a good one. This is gonna be 1565 00:48:10,453 --> 00:48:10,633 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, 1566 00:48:10,487 --> 00:48:11,409 [Aaron]: good content. Yeah. 1567 00:48:11,434 --> 00:48:17,619 [Ian Landsman]: but, but that's not really the point. The point is that like, that it's like, 1568 00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:19,841 [Ian Landsman]: everybody's like, yeah, it's done. It's featured complete. And I'm like, 1569 00:48:19,901 --> 00:48:21,230 [Ian Landsman]: well, but like. here's the 1570 00:48:21,152 --> 00:48:21,378 [Aaron]: I know. 1571 00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:24,453 [Ian Landsman]: thing of how it's handling something like across the wire that like, I feel like 1572 00:48:24,713 --> 00:48:27,356 [Ian Landsman]: it should be doing a little bit differently. That would be easier to then 1573 00:48:27,376 --> 00:48:28,417 [Ian Landsman]: manage. I believe it was like 1574 00:48:28,461 --> 00:48:28,671 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1575 00:48:28,497 --> 00:48:31,901 [Ian Landsman]: on the Laravel side, it could be doing something a little differently to 1576 00:48:31,941 --> 00:48:35,965 [Ian Landsman]: be better. And everybody's like, no, it's feature complete. And I'm like, I 1577 00:48:36,125 --> 00:48:37,827 [Ian Landsman]: kind of get where they're coming from. That's like, 1578 00:48:37,836 --> 00:48:38,125 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1579 00:48:37,847 --> 00:48:41,670 [Ian Landsman]: well, like, yes, like maybe like literally the wire. protocol 1580 00:48:41,422 --> 00:48:42,028 [Aaron]: Protocol, 1581 00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:42,170 [Ian Landsman]: of it is 1582 00:48:42,089 --> 00:48:42,332 [Aaron]: yeah. 1583 00:48:42,210 --> 00:48:45,632 [Ian Landsman]: feature complete, but I feel like there's these other maybe rough edges 1584 00:48:45,692 --> 00:48:48,413 [Ian Landsman]: and I'm poking around, other people seem to have the same rough edges 1585 00:48:48,194 --> 00:48:48,419 [Aaron]: Yep. 1586 00:48:48,433 --> 00:48:51,855 [Ian Landsman]: and things. And I'm like, I don't know, like then I do, I wanna be on the 1587 00:48:51,895 --> 00:48:55,556 [Ian Landsman]: thing that's like feature complete. Like what's, where is this software that's 1588 00:48:55,616 --> 00:48:58,077 [Ian Landsman]: done? Like I'm dying to find the done software. I've 1589 00:48:58,091 --> 00:48:58,340 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1590 00:48:58,117 --> 00:49:01,279 [Ian Landsman]: never had done software ever. I feel like that's not really a thing. And 1591 00:49:01,379 --> 00:49:06,121 [Ian Landsman]: so that it's done feels a little anti-me, whereas like LiveWire is like, okay, 1592 00:49:06,141 --> 00:49:07,282 [Ian Landsman]: there's all this activity. I know 1593 00:49:07,298 --> 00:49:07,523 [Aaron]: Yep, 1594 00:49:07,342 --> 00:49:07,682 [Ian Landsman]: Caleb's 1595 00:49:07,604 --> 00:49:07,808 [Aaron]: yep, 1596 00:49:07,762 --> 00:49:08,122 [Ian Landsman]: super 1597 00:49:07,869 --> 00:49:08,032 [Aaron]: yep. 1598 00:49:08,342 --> 00:49:15,108 [Ian Landsman]: building it out. And it's like, the thing that's moving forward and is not 1599 00:49:15,428 --> 00:49:19,132 [Ian Landsman]: feature complete since I don't know what that means in software exactly 1600 00:49:19,046 --> 00:49:19,287 [Aaron]: I know. 1601 00:49:19,292 --> 00:49:24,137 [Ian Landsman]: really so anyway that's kind of where I'm at so I agree like I would love 1602 00:49:24,177 --> 00:49:27,901 [Ian Landsman]: it to see I think whether I'm using it or not it would be awesome if it was 1603 00:49:29,054 --> 00:49:32,475 [Ian Landsman]: Sort of fully, I think it has been like sort of mostly adopted, but yeah, 1604 00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:32,531 [Aaron]: I 1605 00:49:32,495 --> 00:49:32,616 [Ian Landsman]: it's 1606 00:49:32,551 --> 00:49:32,712 [Aaron]: think 1607 00:49:32,636 --> 00:49:32,856 [Ian Landsman]: definitely 1608 00:49:32,732 --> 00:49:33,277 [Aaron]: it has, 1609 00:49:32,896 --> 00:49:34,016 [Ian Landsman]: not official 1610 00:49:33,762 --> 00:49:34,064 [Aaron]: yeah. 1611 00:49:34,076 --> 00:49:37,738 [Ian Landsman]: official. And so, and I don't know if Taylor's inclined to like put a bunch 1612 00:49:37,758 --> 00:49:40,960 [Ian Landsman]: of work into it and things like that, especially since it isn't like just a 1613 00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:42,121 [Ian Landsman]: Laravel thing. It's sort of 1614 00:49:42,135 --> 00:49:42,359 [Aaron]: Right? 1615 00:49:42,421 --> 00:49:46,183 [Ian Landsman]: has to then maintain the Ruby version and I think 1616 00:49:46,147 --> 00:49:46,378 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1617 00:49:46,203 --> 00:49:48,925 [Ian Landsman]: there's whatever other random frameworks it supports. So 1618 00:49:49,174 --> 00:49:50,015 [Aaron]: Yeah, there's all kinds. 1619 00:49:49,885 --> 00:49:50,105 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 1620 00:49:50,135 --> 00:49:54,861 [Aaron]: I wonder if there's an opportunity for someone with good taste to like build on 1621 00:49:54,921 --> 00:49:58,305 [Aaron]: top of inertia that is Laravel specific. 1622 00:49:59,210 --> 00:50:02,832 [Ian Landsman]: I think there is a project where someone forked it and was doing a lot of the 1623 00:50:02,892 --> 00:50:03,352 [Ian Landsman]: stuff 1624 00:50:03,094 --> 00:50:03,538 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1625 00:50:03,392 --> 00:50:03,632 [Ian Landsman]: that 1626 00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:04,104 [Aaron]: I remember 1627 00:50:03,832 --> 00:50:04,272 [Ian Landsman]: people have 1628 00:50:04,144 --> 00:50:04,488 [Aaron]: that. 1629 00:50:04,292 --> 00:50:07,654 [Ian Landsman]: been kind of complaining about, but I don't know where 1630 00:50:07,478 --> 00:50:07,659 [Aaron]: I don't 1631 00:50:07,694 --> 00:50:07,975 [Ian Landsman]: that 1632 00:50:07,699 --> 00:50:08,161 [Aaron]: think it went 1633 00:50:08,035 --> 00:50:08,955 [Ian Landsman]: stands. 1634 00:50:08,201 --> 00:50:08,884 [Aaron]: very far. 1635 00:50:09,055 --> 00:50:09,475 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1636 00:50:10,432 --> 00:50:10,713 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1637 00:50:10,436 --> 00:50:13,318 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, so that's the thing. It's like to get that momentum is so hard in open 1638 00:50:13,358 --> 00:50:14,598 [Ian Landsman]: source to, 1639 00:50:13,944 --> 00:50:14,318 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1640 00:50:14,618 --> 00:50:18,601 [Ian Landsman]: like you can fork anything obviously, but can you then like build up the crew around 1641 00:50:18,306 --> 00:50:18,688 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1642 00:50:18,661 --> 00:50:18,921 [Ian Landsman]: it who 1643 00:50:18,909 --> 00:50:19,453 [Aaron]: exactly. 1644 00:50:18,961 --> 00:50:22,003 [Ian Landsman]: are interested in participating in it 1645 00:50:21,982 --> 00:50:22,062 [Aaron]: Oh, 1646 00:50:22,043 --> 00:50:22,203 [Ian Landsman]: is 1647 00:50:22,082 --> 00:50:22,282 [Aaron]: you know 1648 00:50:22,283 --> 00:50:22,483 [Ian Landsman]: much 1649 00:50:22,322 --> 00:50:22,642 [Aaron]: who should 1650 00:50:22,523 --> 00:50:22,843 [Ian Landsman]: harder. 1651 00:50:22,662 --> 00:50:25,062 [Aaron]: do this is Boris. Genius, 1652 00:50:24,744 --> 00:50:25,465 [Ian Landsman]: There you go. 1653 00:50:25,282 --> 00:50:25,783 [Aaron]: genius 1654 00:50:25,485 --> 00:50:25,905 [Ian Landsman]: More work 1655 00:50:25,843 --> 00:50:26,363 [Aaron]: machine 1656 00:50:25,925 --> 00:50:26,565 [Ian Landsman]: for Boris. 1657 00:50:26,423 --> 00:50:27,383 [Aaron]: Boris. Yeah, 1658 00:50:27,638 --> 00:50:27,838 [Ian Landsman]: Maybe 1659 00:50:27,763 --> 00:50:28,083 [Aaron]: Boris, 1660 00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:28,119 [Ian Landsman]: Hello 1661 00:50:28,123 --> 00:50:28,183 [Aaron]: if 1662 00:50:28,139 --> 00:50:28,560 [Ian Landsman]: Query 1663 00:50:28,203 --> 00:50:28,723 [Aaron]: you're listening, 1664 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:28,861 [Ian Landsman]: takes 1665 00:50:28,763 --> 00:50:29,103 [Aaron]: you 1666 00:50:28,901 --> 00:50:29,323 [Ian Landsman]: it over. 1667 00:50:29,143 --> 00:50:30,304 [Aaron]: should do this. Yeah, 1668 00:50:30,065 --> 00:50:30,526 [Ian Landsman]: There you go. 1669 00:50:30,624 --> 00:50:36,565 [Aaron]: yeah, we should definitely take on more. That's a good idea. Okay, Year of LiveWire, 1670 00:50:36,726 --> 00:50:37,866 [Aaron]: I buy it. Good, 1671 00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:38,262 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 1672 00:50:38,126 --> 00:50:45,448 [Aaron]: good, good segment there. I think I wanna talk about LinkedIn. 1673 00:50:43,643 --> 00:50:46,497 [Ian Landsman]: Oh, going from the new school to the old school. 1674 00:50:46,928 --> 00:50:49,769 [Aaron]: Not terrible, like actually 1675 00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:49,870 [Ian Landsman]: Question 1676 00:50:49,809 --> 00:50:50,069 [Aaron]: kinda 1677 00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:50,230 [Ian Landsman]: mark? 1678 00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:54,119 [Aaron]: good, yeah. Um, okay, 1679 00:50:53,896 --> 00:50:54,056 [Ian Landsman]: Well, 1680 00:50:54,179 --> 00:50:56,441 [Aaron]: so 1681 00:50:54,436 --> 00:50:56,720 [Ian Landsman]: good is far, but let's hear your take on it. 1682 00:50:56,681 --> 00:51:01,205 [Aaron]: here's... I said not terrible. Yeah, I maybe wrote down good, but I said not terrible. 1683 00:51:01,265 --> 00:51:05,469 [Aaron]: So historically, here's what I've thought about LinkedIn. LinkedIn 1684 00:51:05,175 --> 00:51:05,385 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1685 00:51:05,669 --> 00:51:10,954 [Aaron]: is a place where you go to tell made-up inspiring stories about how wonderful you are, 1686 00:51:11,094 --> 00:51:11,735 [Aaron]: right? So like, 1687 00:51:11,543 --> 00:51:11,774 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 1688 00:51:12,395 --> 00:51:17,080 [Aaron]: I'm walking to a job interview and there's a dog that needed water and I gave 1689 00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:20,618 [Aaron]: it water and I got to the interview and the dog was the Like wow, 1690 00:51:20,226 --> 00:51:20,307 [Ian Landsman]: I'm 1691 00:51:20,658 --> 00:51:20,918 [Aaron]: that's 1692 00:51:20,714 --> 00:51:21,080 [Ian Landsman]: sorry. 1693 00:51:20,958 --> 00:51:25,962 [Aaron]: amazing. That's incredible. It's like that's how I viewed LinkedIn forever 1694 00:51:26,102 --> 00:51:26,327 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1695 00:51:26,162 --> 00:51:31,386 [Aaron]: It's cringe. It's terrible. It's corporate speak. It's nothing and to be fair. There's 1696 00:51:31,406 --> 00:51:37,190 [Aaron]: a lot of that still there But I went over and posted some stuff on LinkedIn. I think 1697 00:51:37,210 --> 00:51:43,414 [Aaron]: the one that really Surprised me was there's a PHP developers group over there and 1698 00:51:43,454 --> 00:51:51,791 [Aaron]: I went and posted my PHP doesn't suck anymore video and it got like 400 reactions, 1699 00:51:51,871 --> 00:51:52,351 [Aaron]: I think is what 1700 00:51:52,295 --> 00:51:52,579 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 1701 00:51:52,371 --> 00:51:59,394 [Aaron]: they call it, several dozen comments and like 30,000 views of the post, not the 1702 00:51:59,414 --> 00:51:59,694 [Aaron]: video, 1703 00:51:59,654 --> 00:51:59,735 [Ian Landsman]: All 1704 00:51:59,754 --> 00:51:59,854 [Aaron]: so 1705 00:51:59,755 --> 00:51:59,977 [Ian Landsman]: right. 1706 00:51:59,894 --> 00:52:01,234 [Aaron]: like 30,000 impressions 1707 00:52:01,046 --> 00:52:01,288 [Ian Landsman]: Wow. 1708 00:52:01,314 --> 00:52:08,117 [Aaron]: on this LinkedIn post. And I was like, who is active over here? And I think that's 1709 00:52:08,597 --> 00:52:11,959 [Aaron]: indicative of my small mind is like, I only see 1710 00:52:11,981 --> 00:52:12,370 [Ian Landsman]: Hahaha. 1711 00:52:12,019 --> 00:52:14,900 [Aaron]: Twitter as social media, but there's a whole 1712 00:52:14,730 --> 00:52:14,991 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1713 00:52:15,220 --> 00:52:16,160 [Aaron]: world out there. 1714 00:52:16,717 --> 00:52:16,877 [Ian Landsman]: Yep. 1715 00:52:16,781 --> 00:52:21,031 [Aaron]: And so I've started posting a little bit more a little bit more content over there. 1716 00:52:22,012 --> 00:52:26,175 [Aaron]: And I think one of my rules is always gonna be yourself. And so I'm not doing like 1717 00:52:26,215 --> 00:52:29,818 [Aaron]: the, you know, the cringe business content. I'm just basically 1718 00:52:29,634 --> 00:52:29,920 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 1719 00:52:30,218 --> 00:52:35,002 [Aaron]: saying the same things I would say on Twitter. And I've noticed that it's getting 1720 00:52:35,042 --> 00:52:37,104 [Aaron]: a lot of, like a lot of traction 1721 00:52:37,346 --> 00:52:37,489 [Ian Landsman]: Hmm. 1722 00:52:37,745 --> 00:52:43,469 [Aaron]: and I'm super surprised. And so I tweeted something like, you know, LinkedIn might be 1723 00:52:43,489 --> 00:52:48,213 [Aaron]: a viable place to hang. And you said something like, yeah, it's always been pretty 1724 00:52:48,233 --> 00:52:50,716 [Aaron]: good. Where, what have I been missing? 1725 00:52:51,058 --> 00:52:53,939 [Ian Landsman]: Well, I don't know. I said something along those lines, but really, I 1726 00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:54,170 [Aaron]: You're 1727 00:52:53,959 --> 00:52:54,160 [Ian Landsman]: mean, 1728 00:52:54,231 --> 00:52:55,795 [Aaron]: really walking back the good 1729 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:55,820 [Ian Landsman]: I'm 1730 00:52:55,835 --> 00:52:56,176 [Aaron]: thing. 1731 00:52:55,860 --> 00:52:56,380 [Ian Landsman]: walking back 1732 00:52:56,196 --> 00:52:56,377 [Aaron]: You're... 1733 00:52:56,561 --> 00:52:57,841 [Ian Landsman]: on that because, 1734 00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,886 [Aaron]: You don't want to be on the record as saying it's good. Ha ha. 1735 00:53:00,122 --> 00:53:03,904 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, well, not that it's just so it's very interesting. First of all, that 1736 00:53:04,004 --> 00:53:08,926 [Ian Landsman]: you even had a more sort of a deeper understanding of it than I did until 1737 00:53:08,946 --> 00:53:12,007 [Ian Landsman]: like maybe a year or two ago when I started relooking to it again is more 1738 00:53:12,027 --> 00:53:15,188 [Ian Landsman]: like, I literally just thought it was a directory of corporate 1739 00:53:14,861 --> 00:53:14,942 [Aaron]: Hmm. 1740 00:53:15,208 --> 00:53:15,508 [Ian Landsman]: people. 1741 00:53:15,550 --> 00:53:16,017 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1742 00:53:15,868 --> 00:53:19,010 [Ian Landsman]: Like and I was on there and occasionally people would be like, you know, 1743 00:53:19,070 --> 00:53:20,872 [Ian Landsman]: can we connect to you or whatever they called 1744 00:53:20,797 --> 00:53:20,920 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1745 00:53:20,932 --> 00:53:24,155 [Ian Landsman]: it. And I would just go through like once a year and like check all the little 1746 00:53:24,195 --> 00:53:27,059 [Ian Landsman]: check boxes for the hundred people who asked to be connected and I would 1747 00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:30,362 [Ian Landsman]: let them be connected and then I wouldn't come back for a year. And I know 1748 00:53:30,382 --> 00:53:34,527 [Ian Landsman]: you could in-mail. And so I was like, okay, well, I guess people are over 1749 00:53:34,547 --> 00:53:39,622 [Ian Landsman]: there in-mailing each other and like, whatever, fine. But then like recently, 1750 00:53:39,662 --> 00:53:42,804 [Ian Landsman]: I don't know if it's like the fall of the, you know, kind of the semi fall 1751 00:53:42,488 --> 00:53:42,861 [Aaron]: Hmm 1752 00:53:42,844 --> 00:53:46,806 [Ian Landsman]: from grace of Twitter, we ignited it, or this has always been going on, so maybe 1753 00:53:46,826 --> 00:53:50,148 [Ian Landsman]: somebody can tell us the history, but then I was like, Oh, there's like actually 1754 00:53:50,188 --> 00:53:53,230 [Ian Landsman]: people like, I didn't even know about the boss dog story. Like, I just thought 1755 00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:56,252 [Ian Landsman]: there was like nothing going on there, but there's actually people posting 1756 00:53:56,272 --> 00:53:57,192 [Ian Landsman]: stuff there, like 1757 00:53:57,164 --> 00:53:57,527 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1758 00:53:57,532 --> 00:54:03,135 [Ian Landsman]: Twitter ish social media, like fashion. And I was like, Oh, wow. And so then, 1759 00:54:03,155 --> 00:54:07,382 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, like then looking around a little more, everybody's like, yeah. Of course, 1760 00:54:07,402 --> 00:54:10,864 [Ian Landsman]: like LinkedIn's like the best place to post your stuff. And I'm like, really? 1761 00:54:10,924 --> 00:54:14,125 [Ian Landsman]: Like, I don't even think, I can't even think of LinkedIn. Like anytime 1762 00:54:14,154 --> 00:54:14,820 [Aaron]: Unfathomable. 1763 00:54:14,165 --> 00:54:18,768 [Ian Landsman]: I go to say anything in a social context, I never consider LinkedIn. I never 1764 00:54:18,808 --> 00:54:18,968 [Ian Landsman]: think 1765 00:54:18,923 --> 00:54:19,166 [Aaron]: Yes. 1766 00:54:18,988 --> 00:54:23,350 [Ian Landsman]: about it. I've been recently trying to make myself think about it unsuccessfully, 1767 00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:26,472 [Ian Landsman]: but I'm going to keep trying because I do think, I mean, it makes sense. 1768 00:54:26,492 --> 00:54:32,086 [Ian Landsman]: It's like, especially if you're on the angle of. you know, the more businessy 1769 00:54:32,246 --> 00:54:32,847 [Ian Landsman]: angle where I'm trying 1770 00:54:32,758 --> 00:54:33,001 [Aaron]: Right. 1771 00:54:32,887 --> 00:54:33,067 [Ian Landsman]: to get 1772 00:54:33,022 --> 00:54:34,338 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1773 00:54:33,087 --> 00:54:37,570 [Ian Landsman]: my name out there for my products or services or whatever. Well, like just talking 1774 00:54:37,610 --> 00:54:41,253 [Ian Landsman]: to pure business people probably makes more sense than just the randos on 1775 00:54:41,256 --> 00:54:41,481 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 1776 00:54:41,313 --> 00:54:46,416 [Ian Landsman]: Twitter. Right? But yeah, I don't know. There is, have you solved this 1777 00:54:46,457 --> 00:54:48,458 [Ian Landsman]: barrier? Like to me, there's things I still don't even understand. Like 1778 00:54:48,618 --> 00:54:51,600 [Ian Landsman]: you can be followed, but that's different than the thing 1779 00:54:51,382 --> 00:54:51,902 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1780 00:54:51,620 --> 00:54:54,422 [Ian Landsman]: with the check mark. And I don't understand. I guess you could just follow me 1781 00:54:54,442 --> 00:54:55,543 [Ian Landsman]: without the check mark. And these are 1782 00:54:55,523 --> 00:54:56,003 [Aaron]: Correct. 1783 00:54:55,563 --> 00:54:56,944 [Ian Landsman]: two separate systems, I 1784 00:54:56,963 --> 00:54:57,063 [Aaron]: You 1785 00:54:56,984 --> 00:54:57,444 [Ian Landsman]: guess. 1786 00:54:57,103 --> 00:54:57,583 [Aaron]: can like 1787 00:54:57,665 --> 00:54:57,725 [Ian Landsman]: I 1788 00:54:57,743 --> 00:54:57,823 [Aaron]: you 1789 00:54:57,745 --> 00:54:57,865 [Ian Landsman]: don't 1790 00:54:57,843 --> 00:54:57,963 [Aaron]: can 1791 00:54:57,905 --> 00:54:57,985 [Ian Landsman]: know, 1792 00:54:57,983 --> 00:54:58,143 [Aaron]: like 1793 00:54:58,005 --> 00:54:58,345 [Ian Landsman]: the whole thing's 1794 00:54:58,223 --> 00:54:58,483 [Aaron]: turn 1795 00:54:58,365 --> 00:54:58,585 [Ian Landsman]: weird. 1796 00:54:58,644 --> 00:55:02,164 [Aaron]: on I think you can turn on creator mode or like something 1797 00:55:01,928 --> 00:55:02,277 [Ian Landsman]: Okay. 1798 00:55:02,204 --> 00:55:07,606 [Aaron]: like that on LinkedIn and that allows you to have followers and then 1799 00:55:07,426 --> 00:55:07,487 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 1800 00:55:07,926 --> 00:55:11,167 [Aaron]: you can have the traditional like connections where 1801 00:55:11,118 --> 00:55:11,759 [Ian Landsman]: Okay, and those 1802 00:55:11,687 --> 00:55:11,947 [Aaron]: like 1803 00:55:11,779 --> 00:55:12,079 [Ian Landsman]: are 1804 00:55:12,127 --> 00:55:12,407 [Aaron]: those 1805 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:12,921 [Ian Landsman]: separate. 1806 00:55:12,467 --> 00:55:15,008 [Aaron]: people can message you or like you know them 1807 00:55:15,085 --> 00:55:19,673 [Ian Landsman]: Right, you're the one degree, two degree, whatever degrees separation, yeah. 1808 00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:28,352 [Aaron]: I don't really care about connections over there to be honest. So sometimes I'll 1809 00:55:28,372 --> 00:55:31,593 [Aaron]: get a whole bunch of connection requests and I'm like, I don't know any of you people 1810 00:55:31,693 --> 00:55:36,014 [Aaron]: know. And then sometimes I get some and I'm like, sure, whatever, I don't care. 1811 00:55:35,784 --> 00:55:36,065 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1812 00:55:36,434 --> 00:55:41,395 [Aaron]: And so I don't have really good rules on that. But yeah, the turning on creator mode 1813 00:55:41,415 --> 00:55:43,416 [Aaron]: or follower mode or whatever it's called, 1814 00:55:43,847 --> 00:55:44,034 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1815 00:55:44,276 --> 00:55:47,777 [Aaron]: separates the number of connections you have from the number of followers you have, 1816 00:55:47,797 --> 00:55:51,242 [Aaron]: which I think... makes it more like a social network than just 1817 00:55:51,789 --> 00:55:52,041 [Ian Landsman]: Riot. 1818 00:55:53,046 --> 00:55:54,909 [Aaron]: a traditional networking type thing. 1819 00:55:55,358 --> 00:55:58,900 [Ian Landsman]: Well, that's why I was talking to, I think the thing that really woke me up 1820 00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:03,782 [Ian Landsman]: was just like a few months ago. And I was talking to Eric Barnes of 1821 00:56:03,768 --> 00:56:04,121 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1822 00:56:03,802 --> 00:56:08,445 [Ian Landsman]: Laravel News and he was saying how they have a hundred thousand followers 1823 00:56:09,205 --> 00:56:10,626 [Ian Landsman]: on LinkedIn. And I was like, 1824 00:56:10,338 --> 00:56:10,619 [Aaron]: Whoa. 1825 00:56:10,686 --> 00:56:13,948 [Ian Landsman]: what are you even talking about? It's like, yeah, we got a hundred thousand 1826 00:56:13,968 --> 00:56:17,610 [Ian Landsman]: followers. And I'm like, holy cow. Like who would have even thought? I haven't 1827 00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:18,791 [Ian Landsman]: even considered LinkedIn in 1828 00:56:19,423 --> 00:56:19,864 [Aaron]: He said 1829 00:56:19,852 --> 00:56:20,112 [Ian Landsman]: 20 1830 00:56:19,924 --> 00:56:20,446 [Aaron]: on Twitter 1831 00:56:20,152 --> 00:56:22,473 [Ian Landsman]: years. 1832 00:56:20,486 --> 00:56:22,632 [Aaron]: that LinkedIn drives more clicks to 1833 00:56:22,533 --> 00:56:22,853 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1834 00:56:22,732 --> 00:56:24,237 [Aaron]: Laravel News than Twitter does. 1835 00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:27,572 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. Which makes sense. It all makes sense, but now it's just 1836 00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:28,152 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1837 00:56:27,592 --> 00:56:29,194 [Ian Landsman]: like, how do I retrain my brain? 1838 00:56:29,739 --> 00:56:30,181 [Aaron]: I know. 1839 00:56:30,295 --> 00:56:32,537 [Ian Landsman]: It's very difficult. Um, 1840 00:56:31,888 --> 00:56:32,169 [Aaron]: I know. 1841 00:56:32,577 --> 00:56:36,180 [Ian Landsman]: but I do want to, because I think it just makes a lot more sense over there, 1842 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,384 [Ian Landsman]: but, uh, we'll see maybe with some of this new stuff coming down the pike, 1843 00:56:40,424 --> 00:56:44,628 [Ian Landsman]: I can, I can try to rework my brain over to there a bit more, but so what 1844 00:56:44,648 --> 00:56:48,452 [Ian Landsman]: have you utilized that, like, have you posted about screencasting or what 1845 00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:48,550 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1846 00:56:48,492 --> 00:56:48,692 [Ian Landsman]: have 1847 00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:48,890 [Aaron]: I've posted 1848 00:56:48,712 --> 00:56:48,872 [Ian Landsman]: you 1849 00:56:48,910 --> 00:56:49,090 [Aaron]: about 1850 00:56:48,912 --> 00:56:49,432 [Ian Landsman]: done? 1851 00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:50,551 [Aaron]: screencasting, 1852 00:56:49,913 --> 00:56:50,153 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1853 00:56:50,611 --> 00:56:53,394 [Aaron]: I've shared some of the YouTube videos, and 1854 00:56:52,814 --> 00:56:52,957 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 1855 00:56:53,534 --> 00:56:59,479 [Aaron]: then something I'm trying to do as much as makes sense whenever I have something 1856 00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:03,903 [Aaron]: visual to share is make a little video about it, even if it's just like a screen recording, 1857 00:57:03,943 --> 00:57:05,364 [Aaron]: not like a talking head or anything. 1858 00:57:05,688 --> 00:57:05,940 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1859 00:57:06,485 --> 00:57:12,771 [Aaron]: Because to my understanding, which I don't spend a lot of time researching the 1860 00:57:12,831 --> 00:57:16,654 [Aaron]: rules of these networks, but to my understanding, every network is like... They 1861 00:57:16,694 --> 00:57:21,877 [Aaron]: want you to stay, they want the viewers to stay as long as possible. They want video, 1862 00:57:22,238 --> 00:57:24,199 [Aaron]: they want engagement. And so 1863 00:57:24,197 --> 00:57:24,238 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1864 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,544 [Aaron]: I think, I always think like, what do the networks want? What do I want to do 1865 00:57:31,644 --> 00:57:37,508 [Aaron]: slash what am I comfortable like putting out there publicly? Like I don't ever want 1866 00:57:37,528 --> 00:57:43,294 [Aaron]: to end up in the spot where I'm I'm like tweeting these wise business sayings 1867 00:57:43,326 --> 00:57:43,587 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1868 00:57:43,334 --> 00:57:46,455 [Aaron]: because they get a lot of engagement. So like there's some happy medium between what 1869 00:57:46,475 --> 00:57:50,296 [Aaron]: does the network want? What do I wanna do? What is honest to me? And honestly, 1870 00:57:50,035 --> 00:57:50,238 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1871 00:57:50,796 --> 00:57:52,017 [Aaron]: video is very easy. So like 1872 00:57:52,622 --> 00:57:53,747 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1873 00:57:53,177 --> 00:57:54,237 [Aaron]: with the site redesign, 1874 00:57:53,767 --> 00:57:54,309 [Ian Landsman]: That's a good point. 1875 00:57:54,257 --> 00:57:58,219 [Aaron]: you know, I'm tinkering around and I'm like, hey, I like the way that this looks. 1876 00:57:58,739 --> 00:58:02,000 [Aaron]: I could do a screenshot and that's better than nothing. Or I could make a little 1877 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:08,221 [Aaron]: video of the interaction and then tweet that and put that also on LinkedIn. And that 1878 00:58:08,321 --> 00:58:12,076 [Aaron]: I think... drives the engagement up a little bit and at least drives 1879 00:58:11,842 --> 00:58:11,924 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 1880 00:58:12,116 --> 00:58:14,999 [Aaron]: the watch time up. And then so then Twitter's like, ah, we'll push this to more 1881 00:58:15,019 --> 00:58:15,299 [Aaron]: people. 1882 00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:15,925 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1883 00:58:15,939 --> 00:58:22,325 [Aaron]: So that's kind of what I've done recently is take these short little screen recording 1884 00:58:22,385 --> 00:58:25,268 [Aaron]: videos that are like 30 seconds or whatever, 1885 00:58:25,645 --> 00:58:25,897 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1886 00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:29,211 [Aaron]: and then put a little bit of text with like, hey, I'm working on this thing. And that's 1887 00:58:29,251 --> 00:58:33,956 [Aaron]: another thing. I always wanna be like a little bit of the moment and talk about what 1888 00:58:33,976 --> 00:58:35,577 [Aaron]: I'm actually doing and not 1889 00:58:35,565 --> 00:58:35,733 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1890 00:58:35,637 --> 00:58:39,959 [Aaron]: like. I'm sitting in my ivory tower talking about, you know, how you should think 1891 00:58:39,999 --> 00:58:42,301 [Aaron]: about software development or business. 1892 00:58:42,014 --> 00:58:42,257 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1893 00:58:42,321 --> 00:58:42,421 [Aaron]: It's 1894 00:58:42,359 --> 00:58:42,541 [Ian Landsman]: Ha ha 1895 00:58:42,521 --> 00:58:46,803 [Aaron]: like, ah, that's just not my brand and I don't wanna do that. So that's kinda 1896 00:58:46,823 --> 00:58:51,785 [Aaron]: what I'm thinking in terms of what am I putting on specifically LinkedIn at this 1897 00:58:51,825 --> 00:58:52,065 [Aaron]: point. 1898 00:58:52,650 --> 00:58:55,631 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, now that I have the new video set up, I kind of want to do more video 1899 00:58:55,691 --> 00:58:59,612 [Ian Landsman]: too. I think that makes sense. It is pretty quick to do really. And 1900 00:58:59,307 --> 00:58:59,611 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1901 00:58:59,632 --> 00:59:01,673 [Ian Landsman]: I'll have the screencasting course to 1902 00:59:01,822 --> 00:59:02,347 [Aaron]: Exactly. 1903 00:59:01,853 --> 00:59:03,454 [Ian Landsman]: make sure I'm doing it correctly. Cause that is 1904 00:59:03,436 --> 00:59:03,597 [Aaron]: Yep. 1905 00:59:03,474 --> 00:59:05,795 [Ian Landsman]: the part I get into like screen flow and I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing 1906 00:59:05,835 --> 00:59:06,375 [Ian Landsman]: in here. Forget 1907 00:59:06,166 --> 00:59:06,348 [Aaron]: Yep, 1908 00:59:06,395 --> 00:59:06,655 [Ian Landsman]: it. So 1909 00:59:06,550 --> 00:59:06,712 [Aaron]: yep, 1910 00:59:06,695 --> 00:59:06,935 [Ian Landsman]: like, 1911 00:59:07,499 --> 00:59:07,924 [Aaron]: I got you. 1912 00:59:08,176 --> 00:59:14,759 [Ian Landsman]: that'll be good. Yeah. So, yeah. So doing more video. How do you handle this? 1913 00:59:14,819 --> 00:59:18,860 [Ian Landsman]: Like, there is this so, I'm starting to think about some of the stuff for 1914 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:24,267 [Ian Landsman]: like my new projects. And... It's like how early you talk about them. Like 1915 00:59:24,226 --> 00:59:24,569 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1916 00:59:24,287 --> 00:59:28,448 [Ian Landsman]: I hate, you know, cause you're so small, whether it was just you or even with 1917 00:59:28,468 --> 00:59:31,210 [Ian Landsman]: a small team, it's like stuff just comes up and then you're sidetracked for 1918 00:59:31,230 --> 00:59:32,090 [Ian Landsman]: a month. That just 1919 00:59:32,086 --> 00:59:32,328 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1920 00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:32,951 [Ian Landsman]: happens all the time. 1921 00:59:33,217 --> 00:59:33,298 [Aaron]: Uh 1922 00:59:33,331 --> 00:59:33,411 [Ian Landsman]: And 1923 00:59:33,419 --> 00:59:33,561 [Aaron]: huh. 1924 00:59:33,451 --> 00:59:36,292 [Ian Landsman]: so then you don't make any progress for a month. And 1925 00:59:36,110 --> 00:59:36,807 [Aaron]: Uhhhhhh... 1926 00:59:36,492 --> 00:59:40,294 [Ian Landsman]: so I hate talking about it like too early, but also you have to talk about 1927 00:59:40,314 --> 00:59:41,214 [Ian Landsman]: it. I think a lot 1928 00:59:41,198 --> 00:59:41,381 [Aaron]: You've 1929 00:59:41,234 --> 00:59:41,354 [Ian Landsman]: of the 1930 00:59:41,421 --> 00:59:41,665 [Aaron]: got 1931 00:59:41,455 --> 00:59:41,835 [Ian Landsman]: interest 1932 00:59:41,726 --> 00:59:42,030 [Aaron]: to. 1933 00:59:41,875 --> 00:59:42,515 [Ian Landsman]: and engagement 1934 00:59:42,436 --> 00:59:42,741 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1935 00:59:42,555 --> 00:59:45,777 [Ian Landsman]: is like, here's what I'm doing. This is what went wrong. So if I'm not talking 1936 00:59:45,797 --> 00:59:48,698 [Ian Landsman]: about it early, then it's just like, oh, it's launch day. And then whatever, 1937 00:59:48,382 --> 00:59:48,966 [Aaron]: Exactly. 1938 00:59:48,878 --> 00:59:50,739 [Ian Landsman]: you haven't built up any momentum. So 1939 00:59:50,676 --> 00:59:50,817 [Aaron]: Yep. 1940 00:59:50,779 --> 00:59:54,703 [Ian Landsman]: there is this like balance Like I want it to be functional to some degree before 1941 00:59:54,743 --> 00:59:58,449 [Ian Landsman]: I really get into talking about it, but also not too 1942 00:59:58,306 --> 00:59:58,694 [Aaron]: Man. 1943 00:59:58,489 --> 01:00:01,573 [Ian Landsman]: far along that it's already too far along. So I don't know. 1944 01:00:02,374 --> 01:00:04,655 [Aaron]: I feel that deep in my bones 1945 01:00:04,254 --> 01:00:04,719 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 1946 01:00:04,776 --> 01:00:05,176 [Aaron]: because like 1947 01:00:05,083 --> 01:00:05,225 [Ian Landsman]: it's 1948 01:00:05,196 --> 01:00:05,276 [Aaron]: we 1949 01:00:05,265 --> 01:00:05,609 [Ian Landsman]: tricky. 1950 01:00:05,296 --> 01:00:08,598 [Aaron]: talked about, you know, expansion, contraction, you do a thing and then you're 1951 01:00:08,618 --> 01:00:12,720 [Aaron]: like, I can't do this thing right now. And then, you know, you cut it. And I'll be 1952 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,741 [Aaron]: honest, it's a little embarrassing to talk about something you're doing 1953 01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:16,572 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 1954 01:00:16,442 --> 01:00:16,922 [Aaron]: and then 1955 01:00:16,753 --> 01:00:17,176 [Ian Landsman]: that's true too. 1956 01:00:17,402 --> 01:00:21,004 [Aaron]: have to like have to pull back for a second. And then months later, people are 1957 01:00:21,024 --> 01:00:24,846 [Aaron]: like, oh, are you ever going to finish that thing? And you're like, yeah, honestly, 1958 01:00:24,906 --> 01:00:26,047 [Aaron]: I'm trying. Like 1959 01:00:26,124 --> 01:00:26,505 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1960 01:00:26,347 --> 01:00:27,668 [Aaron]: yes, I want to. 1961 01:00:28,249 --> 01:00:28,529 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1962 01:00:28,328 --> 01:00:33,474 [Aaron]: And I will. But like, I... I have a full life full of things that I'm doing that 1963 01:00:33,494 --> 01:00:37,915 [Aaron]: are not just like the one thing that I'm tweeting about or the one thing that you 1964 01:00:37,955 --> 01:00:38,296 [Aaron]: latched 1965 01:00:38,270 --> 01:00:38,594 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1966 01:00:38,376 --> 01:00:39,836 [Aaron]: on to that I'm tweeting about, right? 1967 01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:40,233 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1968 01:00:40,576 --> 01:00:45,978 [Aaron]: So yeah, I feel that a lot. And I think the risk, so the benefits, let's talk about 1969 01:00:45,998 --> 01:00:50,179 [Aaron]: the benefits. The upside I think is potentially unlimited, you know? 1970 01:00:50,338 --> 01:00:50,548 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1971 01:00:51,059 --> 01:00:55,540 [Aaron]: You share the thing, somebody shares it, whatever, the whole deal of like, you put 1972 01:00:55,554 --> 01:00:55,785 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1973 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,021 [Aaron]: yourself out there, good things are gonna happen. The downside is you're gonna 1974 01:00:58,061 --> 01:01:01,122 [Aaron]: potentially be embarrassed. And I feel that a lot. Like I 1975 01:01:01,079 --> 01:01:01,247 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1976 01:01:01,162 --> 01:01:05,464 [Aaron]: feel that a whole lot of, I'll put something out there and then have to drop it 1977 01:01:05,504 --> 01:01:10,107 [Aaron]: for sometimes a long time and people are like, why didn't you do that? And it is 1978 01:01:10,147 --> 01:01:11,847 [Aaron]: embarrassing and it sucks and I hate it. 1979 01:01:12,397 --> 01:01:12,607 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1980 01:01:13,769 --> 01:01:18,451 [Aaron]: But I think it's better, like I have found that it's better to just like, talk about 1981 01:01:18,491 --> 01:01:26,916 [Aaron]: what you're working on at the time. And then like, just kind of hope that you carry 1982 01:01:26,956 --> 01:01:27,696 [Aaron]: it through. Like I have 1983 01:01:27,595 --> 01:01:27,819 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1984 01:01:27,716 --> 01:01:32,047 [Aaron]: a lot of open, I have a lot of open threads on what I'm doing and what people know 1985 01:01:32,067 --> 01:01:34,009 [Aaron]: that I'm doing and that sort of stuff. And sometimes I'll 1986 01:01:33,911 --> 01:01:34,142 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1987 01:01:34,029 --> 01:01:38,474 [Aaron]: pick up a thread and like push it down the road a little bit, mixed metaphor. I'll 1988 01:01:38,494 --> 01:01:39,835 [Aaron]: push the, you know, kick the ball 1989 01:01:39,798 --> 01:01:40,101 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1990 01:01:39,855 --> 01:01:40,536 [Aaron]: down the field, whatever. 1991 01:01:40,989 --> 01:01:41,191 [Ian Landsman]: Ha ha. 1992 01:01:41,477 --> 01:01:45,521 [Aaron]: And sometimes I have to drop it. But like, I think the screencasting one is a good 1993 01:01:45,561 --> 01:01:50,326 [Aaron]: example. I didn't really tweet much about it at all until I was pretty close to 1994 01:01:50,346 --> 01:01:55,058 [Aaron]: being done because that one I knew like... man, you got a long road ahead of you. 1995 01:01:55,158 --> 01:01:56,299 [Aaron]: Like you just got the design 1996 01:01:55,863 --> 01:01:56,171 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1997 01:01:56,339 --> 01:02:00,701 [Aaron]: done and the design is very cool. I got the design done in like April or something, 1998 01:02:00,758 --> 01:02:00,968 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 1999 01:02:01,162 --> 01:02:03,663 [Aaron]: but I hadn't recorded a single video and I was like, 2000 01:02:03,264 --> 01:02:03,647 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 2001 01:02:04,183 --> 01:02:07,005 [Aaron]: I'm not gonna start this treadmill until I'm pretty 2002 01:02:06,978 --> 01:02:07,178 [Ian Landsman]: All 2003 01:02:07,025 --> 01:02:07,245 [Aaron]: close 2004 01:02:07,219 --> 01:02:07,982 [Ian Landsman]: right, 2005 01:02:07,285 --> 01:02:08,105 [Aaron]: to done because 2006 01:02:08,002 --> 01:02:08,263 [Ian Landsman]: so there 2007 01:02:08,145 --> 01:02:08,305 [Aaron]: that 2008 01:02:08,283 --> 01:02:08,484 [Ian Landsman]: you go. 2009 01:02:08,405 --> 01:02:08,465 [Aaron]: one 2010 01:02:08,504 --> 01:02:08,725 [Ian Landsman]: That's 2011 01:02:08,525 --> 01:02:08,866 [Aaron]: I wanted, 2012 01:02:08,765 --> 01:02:09,749 [Ian Landsman]: a good example for me, 2013 01:02:09,766 --> 01:02:10,427 [Aaron]: yeah. 2014 01:02:09,769 --> 01:02:10,753 [Ian Landsman]: I like that, yeah. 2015 01:02:10,907 --> 01:02:16,330 [Aaron]: I wanna keep the hype, like I wanna carry the hype through to like the launch day 2016 01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:18,471 [Aaron]: where people pay me money and buy the thing 2017 01:02:18,859 --> 01:02:19,147 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 2018 01:02:18,971 --> 01:02:21,953 [Aaron]: instead of like, this is something I'm just kind of working on, let's all see 2019 01:02:21,973 --> 01:02:24,100 [Aaron]: how it develops together. So, 2020 01:02:23,799 --> 01:02:24,107 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 2021 01:02:24,684 --> 01:02:26,073 [Aaron]: I don't know, it's tough. 2022 01:02:26,494 --> 01:02:29,275 [Ian Landsman]: It is tough. It's, it's a very tough call. Yeah. But I liked that idea. I 2023 01:02:29,295 --> 01:02:31,636 [Ian Landsman]: mean, I guess that's kind of what I was thinking. It's like, I want to get 2024 01:02:31,696 --> 01:02:36,319 [Ian Landsman]: things to a point where they're like semi-functional and more than just an 2025 01:02:36,419 --> 01:02:37,640 [Ian Landsman]: idea in my head, but then 2026 01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:37,866 [Aaron]: Yes. 2027 01:02:37,740 --> 01:02:41,802 [Ian Landsman]: definitely way before. Yeah. It's coming out in a month or whatever. Like 2028 01:02:41,822 --> 01:02:41,902 [Ian Landsman]: it's 2029 01:02:41,923 --> 01:02:42,154 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2030 01:02:41,942 --> 01:02:46,465 [Ian Landsman]: gotta be before that. Um, what kind of gets into this whole idea too of like, 2031 01:02:47,565 --> 01:02:50,422 [Ian Landsman]: uh, I don't know, maybe we should say this for another episode, but I want to 2032 01:02:50,442 --> 01:02:53,508 [Ian Landsman]: get into that Tony Fidel tweet at some point that I'm obsessed 2033 01:02:53,398 --> 01:02:53,978 [Aaron]: Yeah, 2034 01:02:53,528 --> 01:02:54,189 [Ian Landsman]: with. And 2035 01:02:54,118 --> 01:02:54,398 [Aaron]: let's 2036 01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:54,771 [Ian Landsman]: let's 2037 01:02:54,598 --> 01:02:54,838 [Aaron]: save 2038 01:02:54,811 --> 01:02:54,991 [Ian Landsman]: say 2039 01:02:54,858 --> 01:02:55,019 [Aaron]: that, 2040 01:02:55,031 --> 01:02:55,312 [Ian Landsman]: that. 2041 01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:55,559 [Aaron]: because I feel like 2042 01:02:55,512 --> 01:02:56,173 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, let's say that. 2043 01:02:55,939 --> 01:02:57,620 [Aaron]: that's gonna be a big one. You know 2044 01:02:57,356 --> 01:02:59,159 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 2045 01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:58,741 [Aaron]: what I wanna end on? 2046 01:02:59,219 --> 01:02:59,981 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, let's give 2047 01:02:59,882 --> 01:03:00,122 [Aaron]: I wanna 2048 01:03:00,001 --> 01:03:00,061 [Ian Landsman]: it. 2049 01:03:00,162 --> 01:03:03,524 [Aaron]: end on the fact that your kids aren't gonna drive. What's going on there? 2050 01:03:04,151 --> 01:03:05,632 [Ian Landsman]: Uh, trust me, this 2051 01:03:05,645 --> 01:03:05,685 [Aaron]: Ha! 2052 01:03:05,652 --> 01:03:11,417 [Ian Landsman]: is a very interesting, interesting story. You as a young, a young parent, um, 2053 01:03:12,037 --> 01:03:14,499 [Ian Landsman]: I'm going to come down, be the old wise man 2054 01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:14,824 [Aaron]: Alright, 2055 01:03:14,539 --> 01:03:14,979 [Ian Landsman]: here 2056 01:03:14,865 --> 01:03:15,208 [Aaron]: yeah, 2057 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:15,480 [Ian Landsman]: in part 2058 01:03:15,248 --> 01:03:15,592 [Aaron]: tell me. 2059 01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:21,243 [Ian Landsman]: knowledge that like. You just have all these thoughts about your kids when 2060 01:03:21,219 --> 01:03:21,492 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2061 01:03:21,303 --> 01:03:25,385 [Ian Landsman]: they're little or before you have kids or all these things. And then like 2062 01:03:25,745 --> 01:03:29,167 [Ian Landsman]: what actually how the world changes along the way is quite interesting. 2063 01:03:29,627 --> 01:03:32,709 [Ian Landsman]: And then how that impacts your children is quite interesting because the world 2064 01:03:32,749 --> 01:03:37,391 [Ian Landsman]: you have your kids in will not be the world that they grow up in and then 2065 01:03:37,431 --> 01:03:38,692 [Ian Landsman]: become young 2066 01:03:38,586 --> 01:03:38,848 [Aaron]: True. 2067 01:03:38,732 --> 01:03:39,272 [Ian Landsman]: adults in. 2068 01:03:39,171 --> 01:03:39,332 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2069 01:03:39,973 --> 01:03:44,666 [Ian Landsman]: And so. Yeah, like everything's changed in the world. So I don't know, of the 2070 01:03:44,686 --> 01:03:48,733 [Ian Landsman]: three kids, only the oldest so far has not got his license and doesn't 2071 01:03:48,773 --> 01:03:49,815 [Ian Landsman]: have really any interest 2072 01:03:49,726 --> 01:03:49,907 [Aaron]: Okay, 2073 01:03:49,855 --> 01:03:49,915 [Ian Landsman]: in 2074 01:03:49,947 --> 01:03:50,067 [Aaron]: hit 2075 01:03:49,955 --> 01:03:50,396 [Ian Landsman]: driving. 2076 01:03:50,088 --> 01:03:50,750 [Aaron]: me with the ages 2077 01:03:50,456 --> 01:03:50,636 [Ian Landsman]: So. 2078 01:03:50,811 --> 01:03:51,715 [Aaron]: again. How old are they? 2079 01:03:52,074 --> 01:03:53,435 [Ian Landsman]: So he's 17 2080 01:03:53,462 --> 01:03:54,025 [Aaron]: Seventeen. 2081 01:03:54,055 --> 01:03:59,399 [Ian Landsman]: and then the younger two are too young guys, 13 and 10. So, 2082 01:03:58,635 --> 01:03:59,485 [Aaron]: Okay, so the 2083 01:03:59,419 --> 01:03:59,599 [Ian Landsman]: but the 2084 01:03:59,526 --> 01:03:59,951 [Aaron]: 17 2085 01:03:59,620 --> 01:04:00,120 [Ian Landsman]: other two, 2086 01:03:59,971 --> 01:04:00,295 [Aaron]: year old. 2087 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,083 [Ian Landsman]: at least right now are the younger two are like, we want to drive like they are 2088 01:04:04,103 --> 01:04:04,523 [Ian Landsman]: a little more 2089 01:04:04,513 --> 01:04:04,740 [Aaron]: Okay. 2090 01:04:04,583 --> 01:04:08,667 [Ian Landsman]: like how I felt. I mean, I was there literally the day I turned 16 2091 01:04:08,343 --> 01:04:09,059 [Aaron]: Yep, same. 2092 01:04:09,667 --> 01:04:14,311 [Ian Landsman]: in, in the DMV to like get my license and do all this stuff. Fine. Uh, but 2093 01:04:14,331 --> 01:04:16,873 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, the oldest he's not interested in it. And then at first we're 2094 01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:16,951 [Aaron]: So how 2095 01:04:16,913 --> 01:04:17,213 [Ian Landsman]: like. 2096 01:04:16,971 --> 01:04:17,736 [Aaron]: does he get around? 2097 01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:23,072 [Ian Landsman]: It's totally, he is okay with sacrifices. I would not be okay with. So 2098 01:04:23,296 --> 01:04:23,502 [Aaron]: Okay. 2099 01:04:24,053 --> 01:04:29,916 [Ian Landsman]: like, obviously we take them or, um, pretty much like, obviously we're taking 2100 01:04:29,936 --> 01:04:32,458 [Ian Landsman]: it most of the time, he has a girlfriend. So sometimes the girlfriend's 2101 01:04:32,518 --> 01:04:34,499 [Ian Landsman]: family takes him, but like even 2102 01:04:34,478 --> 01:04:34,619 [Aaron]: Does 2103 01:04:34,539 --> 01:04:34,679 [Ian Landsman]: right 2104 01:04:34,659 --> 01:04:34,739 [Aaron]: the 2105 01:04:34,699 --> 01:04:34,879 [Ian Landsman]: there, 2106 01:04:34,759 --> 01:04:35,162 [Aaron]: girlfriend 2107 01:04:34,919 --> 01:04:35,080 [Ian Landsman]: like, 2108 01:04:35,202 --> 01:04:36,349 [Aaron]: drive? The girlfriend doesn't 2109 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:36,560 [Ian Landsman]: no, 2110 01:04:36,369 --> 01:04:36,812 [Aaron]: drive either? 2111 01:04:36,620 --> 01:04:37,881 [Ian Landsman]: the girlfriend doesn't drive and he doesn't 2112 01:04:37,859 --> 01:04:38,181 [Aaron]: What? 2113 01:04:37,901 --> 01:04:40,675 [Ian Landsman]: drive. I know. And so like when 2114 01:04:40,737 --> 01:04:41,504 [Aaron]: Oh my goodness! 2115 01:04:41,095 --> 01:04:46,418 [Ian Landsman]: I, so I'm married to the woman I was dating when I was his age. So we are 2116 01:04:46,459 --> 01:04:48,120 [Ian Landsman]: married, my wife and I have been 2117 01:04:48,025 --> 01:04:48,277 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2118 01:04:48,140 --> 01:04:52,562 [Ian Landsman]: together the whole time. And like, I was, I lived at her house. Like I, 2119 01:04:52,622 --> 01:04:54,624 [Ian Landsman]: like as soon as I got my license, I was gone. I was at 2120 01:04:54,636 --> 01:04:54,989 [Aaron]: Yeah! 2121 01:04:54,644 --> 01:04:59,519 [Ian Landsman]: her house all day every day. And We would go, whatever, we're driving all 2122 01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:02,361 [Ian Landsman]: over. We'd go to New York City, even though that was illegal, because you have 2123 01:05:02,381 --> 01:05:05,884 [Ian Landsman]: to be 18 to drive there. We'd be all over the place, right? And so we just, 2124 01:05:06,044 --> 01:05:09,247 [Ian Landsman]: I mean, I literally was never home. The minute I got my license, that was 2125 01:05:09,327 --> 01:05:14,211 [Ian Landsman]: it. That's the last my family saw me. I was out like 8 a.m. till midnight 2126 01:05:14,271 --> 01:05:15,652 [Ian Landsman]: every day. I was out in the world. 2127 01:05:16,292 --> 01:05:16,544 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2128 01:05:16,313 --> 01:05:20,256 [Ian Landsman]: And I don't know, he's like fine with it. And part of that is like that 2129 01:05:20,276 --> 01:05:23,219 [Ian Landsman]: the technology, like whatever, he can talk to his girlfriend, he can message 2130 01:05:23,239 --> 01:05:27,150 [Ian Landsman]: her, he can video chat with her, he could do whatever, like. I don't know, 2131 01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:31,032 [Ian Landsman]: like they're okay with it. And so then we started like just seeing these articles 2132 01:05:31,092 --> 01:05:37,736 [Ian Landsman]: pop up. This is not even weird. Like this is just a, this is a thing now. Like 2133 01:05:37,338 --> 01:05:37,851 [Aaron]: YEELEY 2134 01:05:37,776 --> 01:05:40,697 [Ian Landsman]: it's like a huge percentage of kids are not getting their license when 2135 01:05:40,717 --> 01:05:47,181 [Ian Landsman]: they're 16. It's like 50% or something crazy. And, and yeah, so I don't 2136 01:05:47,201 --> 01:05:47,561 [Ian Landsman]: know. Like, 2137 01:05:47,618 --> 01:05:48,266 [Aaron]: Wow. 2138 01:05:47,621 --> 01:05:51,403 [Ian Landsman]: is it because I know there's Uber? Is it because like people are gonna live 2139 01:05:51,423 --> 01:05:56,610 [Ian Landsman]: in cities and they feel like they don't need it? I don't know, but. He doesn't 2140 01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:59,413 [Ian Landsman]: really have any interest in he's okay with the limitations of like obviously 2141 01:05:59,493 --> 01:06:03,477 [Ian Landsman]: only being able to go places when we can take him for the most part. And, 2142 01:06:03,497 --> 01:06:05,559 [Ian Landsman]: um, yeah, 2143 01:06:05,506 --> 01:06:06,046 [Aaron]: Wow, 2144 01:06:05,579 --> 01:06:06,520 [Ian Landsman]: so it's very, 2145 01:06:06,206 --> 01:06:06,606 [Aaron]: I cannot 2146 01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:06,760 [Ian Landsman]: it's 2147 01:06:06,706 --> 01:06:07,607 [Aaron]: imagine. 2148 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:07,461 [Ian Landsman]: very interesting. 2149 01:06:08,307 --> 01:06:13,591 [Aaron]: Okay, so being 16, driving through McDonald's and getting a McFlurry, 2150 01:06:13,774 --> 01:06:13,974 [Ian Landsman]: Lived 2151 01:06:13,831 --> 01:06:14,071 [Aaron]: and then 2152 01:06:14,015 --> 01:06:14,716 [Ian Landsman]: at McDonald's. 2153 01:06:14,811 --> 01:06:18,814 [Aaron]: drive around at like 11 at night, listening to Postal Service, thinking 2154 01:06:18,782 --> 01:06:19,122 [Ian Landsman]: Yup. 2155 01:06:18,834 --> 01:06:20,655 [Aaron]: about how you're never gonna die. Like that 2156 01:06:20,583 --> 01:06:20,843 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 2157 01:06:20,715 --> 01:06:22,356 [Aaron]: is being 16! 2158 01:06:22,283 --> 01:06:23,864 [Ian Landsman]: I know. It's 2159 01:06:23,817 --> 01:06:24,757 [Aaron]: Wow! 2160 01:06:23,944 --> 01:06:28,047 [Ian Landsman]: very strange to me. That is, yes. I would just drive up and down our main 2161 01:06:28,087 --> 01:06:28,867 [Ian Landsman]: road, like 2162 01:06:28,726 --> 01:06:29,129 [Aaron]: Yes, 2163 01:06:29,007 --> 01:06:29,247 [Ian Landsman]: listen 2164 01:06:29,249 --> 01:06:29,390 [Aaron]: for 2165 01:06:29,267 --> 01:06:29,788 [Ian Landsman]: to music. 2166 01:06:29,431 --> 01:06:31,585 [Aaron]: sure. Take the long way home, yep. 2167 01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:36,091 [Ian Landsman]: Yup. Just like back and forth and yeah. Like, but you know, that's a whole 2168 01:06:36,111 --> 01:06:39,693 [Ian Landsman]: weird thing. I mean, with technology, I think, I mean, this is all part of the, I 2169 01:06:39,733 --> 01:06:44,235 [Ian Landsman]: guess, I feel like it's possibly a detriment. Who knows if it's actually 2170 01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:44,251 [Aaron]: That was a 2171 01:06:44,255 --> 01:06:44,275 [Ian Landsman]: a 2172 01:06:44,311 --> 01:06:44,552 [Aaron]: deep 2173 01:06:44,315 --> 01:06:44,776 [Ian Landsman]: detriment, 2174 01:06:44,593 --> 01:06:45,135 [Aaron]: breath. You 2175 01:06:45,416 --> 01:06:45,636 [Ian Landsman]: but 2176 01:06:45,416 --> 01:06:46,119 [Aaron]: were stealing 2177 01:06:45,656 --> 01:06:45,816 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 2178 01:06:46,140 --> 01:06:48,450 [Aaron]: yourself for that whatever you were about to say 2179 01:06:48,450 --> 01:06:48,650 [Ian Landsman]: But 2180 01:06:48,490 --> 01:06:48,711 [Aaron]: there. 2181 01:06:49,790 --> 01:06:53,493 [Ian Landsman]: it's like even just driving around in my town, which is the 2182 01:06:53,402 --> 01:06:53,523 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 2183 01:06:53,533 --> 01:06:57,155 [Ian Landsman]: town I grew up in. So I know this town very well. I mean, when I'd ride 2184 01:06:57,195 --> 01:06:59,297 [Ian Landsman]: my bike around before I had a license, I mean, 2185 01:06:59,258 --> 01:07:00,885 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 2186 01:06:59,317 --> 01:07:01,158 [Ian Landsman]: there was kids everywhere, kids on bikes. 2187 01:07:00,906 --> 01:07:01,107 [Aaron]: Yep, 2188 01:07:01,198 --> 01:07:01,418 [Ian Landsman]: I remember 2189 01:07:01,308 --> 01:07:01,549 [Aaron]: yep. 2190 01:07:01,438 --> 01:07:03,239 [Ian Landsman]: being scared of the kids on bikes. I remember 2191 01:07:03,157 --> 01:07:03,297 [Aaron]: Yep. 2192 01:07:03,299 --> 01:07:07,250 [Ian Landsman]: being friends with other kids on bikes, kids walking, kids everywhere. And 2193 01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:09,731 [Ian Landsman]: there's no kids anywhere now. Like there's no kids riding bikes. There's 2194 01:07:09,751 --> 01:07:13,252 [Ian Landsman]: no kids walking. There's no kids anywhere. So I do think there is. And 2195 01:07:13,272 --> 01:07:16,094 [Ian Landsman]: then, I mean, you think about like how did COVID impact all that? 2196 01:07:16,066 --> 01:07:16,390 [Aaron]: Yeah, 2197 01:07:16,154 --> 01:07:16,454 [Ian Landsman]: Like a 2198 01:07:16,451 --> 01:07:16,593 [Aaron]: for 2199 01:07:16,474 --> 01:07:16,614 [Ian Landsman]: lot of 2200 01:07:16,613 --> 01:07:16,856 [Aaron]: sure. 2201 01:07:16,634 --> 01:07:19,695 [Ian Landsman]: these kids in their kind of formative years were like, well, no, now like 2202 01:07:19,755 --> 01:07:23,397 [Ian Landsman]: you're already staying inside a lot because you have game systems and phones 2203 01:07:23,223 --> 01:07:23,427 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2204 01:07:23,417 --> 01:07:27,519 [Ian Landsman]: and all these things. And now like, no, you're really staying inside. And 2205 01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,320 [Ian Landsman]: I don't know. So it's just like that. This is the culture 2206 01:07:30,274 --> 01:07:30,526 [Aaron]: Amazing. 2207 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:35,203 [Ian Landsman]: for this age range, but I don't know. He said he might get it at some point. 2208 01:07:35,223 --> 01:07:38,704 [Ian Landsman]: So he's not totally, totally written it off. but he's not in any rush 2209 01:07:39,258 --> 01:07:39,360 [Aaron]: Wow. 2210 01:07:40,204 --> 01:07:44,246 [Ian Landsman]: which is very interesting and definitely one of these things where like yeah 2211 01:07:44,266 --> 01:07:47,467 [Ian Landsman]: like I would never in a million years think I'd have a kid who didn't want 2212 01:07:47,487 --> 01:07:51,628 [Ian Landsman]: to drive because like I was like driver number one like I was there 2213 01:07:51,618 --> 01:07:51,944 [Aaron]: Yeah, 2214 01:07:51,748 --> 01:07:51,948 [Ian Landsman]: minute 2215 01:07:52,006 --> 01:07:52,169 [Aaron]: for 2216 01:07:52,028 --> 01:07:52,248 [Ian Landsman]: one 2217 01:07:52,209 --> 01:07:52,413 [Aaron]: real. 2218 01:07:52,288 --> 01:07:55,109 [Ian Landsman]: doing it so yeah it's interesting 2219 01:07:55,318 --> 01:08:00,879 [Aaron]: Yeah, I mean, my bet with my wife is that our kids will never learn to drive because 2220 01:08:00,939 --> 01:08:02,459 [Aaron]: cars will drive themselves. 2221 01:08:02,299 --> 01:08:02,420 [Ian Landsman]: I 2222 01:08:02,479 --> 01:08:02,860 [Aaron]: Not, 2223 01:08:02,481 --> 01:08:03,248 [Ian Landsman]: saw you say that. 2224 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,261 [Aaron]: yeah, not because they won't want to. Maybe I'll win the bet on a technicality. 2225 01:08:07,114 --> 01:08:07,755 [Ian Landsman]: Man. 2226 01:08:07,341 --> 01:08:08,021 [Aaron]: So like, maybe that's 2227 01:08:07,855 --> 01:08:08,096 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 2228 01:08:08,041 --> 01:08:08,221 [Aaron]: a good 2229 01:08:08,116 --> 01:08:08,236 [Ian Landsman]: there 2230 01:08:08,241 --> 01:08:08,361 [Aaron]: thing. 2231 01:08:08,256 --> 01:08:08,717 [Ian Landsman]: you go. 2232 01:08:08,421 --> 01:08:11,562 [Aaron]: I love winning. Yeah, as long as I win, I'm happy. But 2233 01:08:11,784 --> 01:08:11,985 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 2234 01:08:11,942 --> 01:08:16,903 [Aaron]: I've been watching like the, I think it's Zooks, maybe Z-O-O-X has won. 2235 01:08:16,618 --> 01:08:16,679 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 2236 01:08:17,023 --> 01:08:23,545 [Aaron]: Cruise has won. But like the Zooks cars are, it's interesting when you go to like 2237 01:08:23,605 --> 01:08:27,094 [Aaron]: autonomous vehicles, for real autonomous vehicles, 2238 01:08:26,856 --> 01:08:27,102 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 2239 01:08:27,494 --> 01:08:31,816 [Aaron]: they don't have to be, the interiors don't have to be designed and shaped like cars 2240 01:08:31,856 --> 01:08:32,076 [Aaron]: of the 2241 01:08:32,078 --> 01:08:32,118 [Ian Landsman]: I 2242 01:08:32,117 --> 01:08:32,457 [Aaron]: past, 2243 01:08:32,138 --> 01:08:32,661 [Ian Landsman]: know, that's 2244 01:08:32,557 --> 01:08:32,797 [Aaron]: right? 2245 01:08:32,681 --> 01:08:33,747 [Ian Landsman]: what I want, yeah. 2246 01:08:33,717 --> 01:08:38,359 [Aaron]: Yeah, and so these Zooks cars are like mobile living rooms, basically, or they're 2247 01:08:38,379 --> 01:08:43,141 [Aaron]: like, you know, single, like single parts of a train, but on wheels. So you have 2248 01:08:43,181 --> 01:08:43,322 [Aaron]: like, 2249 01:08:43,341 --> 01:08:43,614 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 2250 01:08:43,362 --> 01:08:48,204 [Aaron]: I think four seats that face each other and you just kind of push a button and it shows 2251 01:08:48,264 --> 01:08:51,725 [Aaron]: up and the little, you know, the little doors open and you climb in and then they close 2252 01:08:51,765 --> 01:08:55,287 [Aaron]: and... I think that's gonna be, frankly, I think that's gonna be the future. I think 2253 01:08:55,307 --> 01:08:59,408 [Aaron]: it's gonna be, even if you own one, maybe you own one, maybe not everything is 2254 01:08:59,428 --> 01:09:05,971 [Aaron]: a rental or on demand or whatever, but you have a vehicle that you can get in 2255 01:09:06,211 --> 01:09:11,373 [Aaron]: and tune out until you get to the spot you're going. And we don't have time to talk 2256 01:09:11,393 --> 01:09:14,855 [Aaron]: about it today, but also I think tunnels are the future. You can get me started about 2257 01:09:14,750 --> 01:09:14,951 [Ian Landsman]: You're 2258 01:09:14,915 --> 01:09:15,175 [Aaron]: tunnels. 2259 01:09:14,991 --> 01:09:15,232 [Ian Landsman]: full 2260 01:09:15,215 --> 01:09:15,295 [Aaron]: We 2261 01:09:15,313 --> 01:09:16,156 [Ian Landsman]: on the Elon, 2262 01:09:15,815 --> 01:09:16,175 [Aaron]: could, we could 2263 01:09:16,176 --> 01:09:16,296 [Ian Landsman]: the 2264 01:09:16,195 --> 01:09:16,496 [Aaron]: do it, 2265 01:09:16,377 --> 01:09:16,718 [Ian Landsman]: Elon 2266 01:09:16,556 --> 01:09:16,776 [Aaron]: we could, 2267 01:09:16,738 --> 01:09:17,059 [Ian Landsman]: train. 2268 01:09:16,996 --> 01:09:22,503 [Aaron]: yeah, we could do a whole hour on how everything should be underground. So, but I 2269 01:09:22,543 --> 01:09:25,467 [Aaron]: think, I think that's the future, but hey, if I went on a technicality 2270 01:09:24,951 --> 01:09:25,219 [Ian Landsman]: Hmm. 2271 01:09:25,567 --> 01:09:28,651 [Aaron]: of like, you know, kids just want to stay inside, I 2272 01:09:28,938 --> 01:09:29,358 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 2273 01:09:28,992 --> 01:09:31,635 [Aaron]: guess I win. 2274 01:09:29,378 --> 01:09:31,638 [Ian Landsman]: I mean, you should check the fine print of your, 2275 01:09:31,655 --> 01:09:31,695 [Aaron]: I 2276 01:09:31,698 --> 01:09:31,758 [Ian Landsman]: of 2277 01:09:31,735 --> 01:09:31,956 [Aaron]: know, 2278 01:09:31,798 --> 01:09:32,118 [Ian Landsman]: your bet 2279 01:09:32,016 --> 01:09:32,196 [Aaron]: I need 2280 01:09:32,138 --> 01:09:32,379 [Ian Landsman]: there 2281 01:09:32,256 --> 01:09:32,316 [Aaron]: to, 2282 01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:32,479 [Ian Landsman]: of 2283 01:09:32,456 --> 01:09:32,637 [Aaron]: I need, 2284 01:09:32,579 --> 01:09:32,859 [Ian Landsman]: if it 2285 01:09:32,817 --> 01:09:33,137 [Aaron]: I know. 2286 01:09:32,999 --> 01:09:36,360 [Ian Landsman]: actually is, does it have to be truly autonomous or just that nobody drives 2287 01:09:36,258 --> 01:09:36,338 [Aaron]: I 2288 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:36,680 [Ian Landsman]: anymore? 2289 01:09:36,438 --> 01:09:36,818 [Aaron]: know, 2290 01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:36,840 [Ian Landsman]: Cause 2291 01:09:36,858 --> 01:09:37,159 [Aaron]: maybe 2292 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:37,260 [Ian Landsman]: everybody 2293 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:37,499 [Aaron]: I'll 2294 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:37,500 [Ian Landsman]: is 2295 01:09:37,519 --> 01:09:37,719 [Aaron]: keep 2296 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:38,680 [Ian Landsman]: V 2297 01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:38,800 [Aaron]: bringing it up to her and 2298 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:38,920 [Ian Landsman]: it's 2299 01:09:38,820 --> 01:09:39,061 [Aaron]: I'll just 2300 01:09:39,001 --> 01:09:39,161 [Ian Landsman]: all 2301 01:09:39,121 --> 01:09:39,481 [Aaron]: drop 2302 01:09:39,341 --> 01:09:39,641 [Ian Landsman]: Apple 2303 01:09:39,501 --> 01:09:39,681 [Aaron]: like 2304 01:09:39,701 --> 01:09:40,201 [Ian Landsman]: VR 2305 01:09:39,722 --> 01:09:42,885 [Aaron]: the autonomous. 2306 01:09:40,261 --> 01:09:43,082 [Ian Landsman]: headsets and like nobody actually leaves their house anymore. 2307 01:09:42,905 --> 01:09:43,286 [Aaron]: Yeah, 2308 01:09:43,102 --> 01:09:43,262 [Ian Landsman]: So yeah, 2309 01:09:43,366 --> 01:09:44,006 [Aaron]: exactly. 2310 01:09:44,362 --> 01:09:47,143 [Ian Landsman]: it could be, it could be. All 2311 01:09:46,509 --> 01:09:47,270 [Aaron]: Okay, well we'll see, 2312 01:09:47,303 --> 01:09:47,403 [Ian Landsman]: right, 2313 01:09:47,330 --> 01:09:47,510 [Aaron]: check 2314 01:09:47,423 --> 01:09:47,603 [Ian Landsman]: man. 2315 01:09:47,530 --> 01:09:48,572 [Aaron]: back in. Let's see, they're 2316 01:09:48,543 --> 01:09:48,703 [Ian Landsman]: We'll, 2317 01:09:48,592 --> 01:09:48,952 [Aaron]: two years 2318 01:09:48,763 --> 01:09:49,204 [Ian Landsman]: we'll check 2319 01:09:49,012 --> 01:09:49,393 [Aaron]: old, check 2320 01:09:49,244 --> 01:09:49,584 [Ian Landsman]: back. 2321 01:09:49,413 --> 01:09:50,794 [Aaron]: back in 14 years. 2322 01:09:51,644 --> 01:09:52,445 [Ian Landsman]: Episode 2323 01:09:51,715 --> 01:09:52,837 [Aaron]: So y'all stay tuned. Yeah, 2324 01:09:52,865 --> 01:09:53,785 [Ian Landsman]: 7,846 2325 01:09:52,937 --> 01:09:56,280 [Aaron]: stay tuned to the pod. Yeah, 2326 01:09:55,405 --> 01:09:55,645 [Ian Landsman]: will. 2327 01:09:56,381 --> 01:09:56,941 [Aaron]: exactly. 2328 01:09:56,642 --> 01:10:00,363 [Ian Landsman]: We'll know for sure, but I mean sounds good 2329 01:10:01,268 --> 01:10:02,427 [Aaron]: Alright, talk to you soon. See ya! 2330 01:10:02,544 --> 01:10:04,544 [Ian Landsman]: We will yeah, I want to hey hold on 2331 01:10:05,022 --> 01:10:05,102 [Aaron]: Oh 2332 01:10:05,025 --> 01:10:05,205 [Ian Landsman]: I want 2333 01:10:05,142 --> 01:10:05,403 [Aaron]: wow 2334 01:10:05,225 --> 01:10:05,565 [Ian Landsman]: to know 2335 01:10:05,644 --> 01:10:06,006 [Aaron]: we have a 2336 01:10:06,045 --> 01:10:06,085 [Ian Landsman]: I 2337 01:10:06,046 --> 01:10:06,226 [Aaron]: whole 2338 01:10:06,105 --> 01:10:06,285 [Ian Landsman]: know 2339 01:10:06,267 --> 01:10:06,568 [Aaron]: list 2340 01:10:06,305 --> 01:10:06,805 [Ian Landsman]: to know 2341 01:10:06,648 --> 01:10:06,929 [Aaron]: now! 2342 01:10:06,925 --> 01:10:09,386 [Ian Landsman]: where to find us Yes, because every episode you like 2343 01:10:09,322 --> 01:10:09,482 [Aaron]: We 2344 01:10:09,406 --> 01:10:09,586 [Ian Landsman]: tell him 2345 01:10:09,542 --> 01:10:09,942 [Aaron]: fumbled 2346 01:10:09,606 --> 01:10:10,066 [Ian Landsman]: where to find 2347 01:10:09,982 --> 01:10:10,423 [Aaron]: it last 2348 01:10:10,146 --> 01:10:10,326 [Ian Landsman]: us. 2349 01:10:10,463 --> 01:10:10,803 [Aaron]: time. 2350 01:10:10,787 --> 01:10:10,947 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 2351 01:10:10,943 --> 01:10:11,023 [Aaron]: All 2352 01:10:10,967 --> 01:10:11,027 [Ian Landsman]: and 2353 01:10:11,043 --> 01:10:11,183 [Aaron]: right, 2354 01:10:11,047 --> 01:10:11,307 [Ian Landsman]: I'm always 2355 01:10:11,263 --> 01:10:11,443 [Aaron]: okay, 2356 01:10:11,327 --> 01:10:11,527 [Ian Landsman]: like, I 2357 01:10:11,504 --> 01:10:11,664 [Aaron]: back 2358 01:10:11,547 --> 01:10:11,807 [Ian Landsman]: don't know 2359 01:10:11,704 --> 01:10:11,944 [Aaron]: up, back 2360 01:10:11,827 --> 01:10:12,047 [Ian Landsman]: where to 2361 01:10:12,004 --> 01:10:12,084 [Aaron]: up, 2362 01:10:12,067 --> 01:10:12,327 [Ian Landsman]: find 2363 01:10:12,104 --> 01:10:12,404 [Aaron]: back up. 2364 01:10:12,427 --> 01:10:12,627 [Ian Landsman]: us 2365 01:10:12,444 --> 01:10:13,505 [Aaron]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do the thing 2366 01:10:13,387 --> 01:10:13,588 [Ian Landsman]: I don't 2367 01:10:13,525 --> 01:10:13,645 [Aaron]: where 2368 01:10:13,608 --> 01:10:13,808 [Ian Landsman]: know 2369 01:10:13,665 --> 01:10:16,148 [Aaron]: you say, all right, man, and I'll say, all right, and then we'll go to where to find 2370 01:10:16,208 --> 01:10:17,229 [Aaron]: us. So start over, go ahead. 2371 01:10:18,489 --> 01:10:18,989 [Ian Landsman]: All right, man 2372 01:10:19,531 --> 01:10:22,633 [Aaron]: All right, well, Ian, where can people find us? That was perfect. 2373 01:10:23,298 --> 01:10:29,161 [Ian Landsman]: You can find us at mostlytechnical.com, on Twitter at mostlytechpod. I guess we should 2374 01:10:29,202 --> 01:10:31,323 [Ian Landsman]: get a LinkedIn. I don't know if that's even a thing, but we should look 2375 01:10:31,343 --> 01:10:31,423 [Ian Landsman]: into 2376 01:10:31,418 --> 01:10:31,561 [Aaron]: Oh 2377 01:10:31,463 --> 01:10:31,643 [Ian Landsman]: that. 2378 01:10:31,622 --> 01:10:31,745 [Aaron]: no. 2379 01:10:32,303 --> 01:10:37,246 [Ian Landsman]: And then mostlytechnicalpodcast.gmail.com. So if you have feedback, you can send that 2380 01:10:37,266 --> 01:10:41,648 [Ian Landsman]: there, or just hit us up on Twitter, and we will note that for the feedback 2381 01:10:41,708 --> 01:10:43,669 [Ian Landsman]: segments. But all right, thanks everybody. 2382 01:10:44,250 --> 01:10:45,584 [Aaron]: Okay now that's the end, see ya! 2383 01:10:46,198 --> 01:10:46,461 [Ian Landsman]: See ya!