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and I can name a name, okay,

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when I was at KDF, and y'all
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concert, what they would do is
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backstage, to meet the artists.
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assigned to Skid Row, and they
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around 18 in life that hit right
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what? They had two or three hits
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pretty massive. And so I was
assigned to the listeners take

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them backstage, and the
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they would be, and I'm excited
for them I'd never met Skid Row,

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so we're back there. And so as I
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Bach, the lead singer, I
introduce him to the artist, I

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mean, to the to the winners,
they're like, standing there,

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you know, all excited. And he
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like, just screamed it at them
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like, I get my feelings hurt,
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him and make sure that they
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like, crushed, but yeah, that
Sebastian Bach, I never, never

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played another show.

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In fact, we like seeing go to
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reaction.

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What a jerk in front of in front
of listeners. I mean, come on,

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yeah, well, he was. He would
have never remembered it. Let's

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put it that way.

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Welcome to a podcast about music
and entertainment before it all

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goes down the disposal. This is
circling the drain, and

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welcome back into circling the
drain. And of course, you have

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the 3j me. Johnny Bozeman,
better known as Johnny B, to

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some people, right next to me.
Jay Harper, I

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know it feels weird being right
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yeah, I'm always just gazing
lovingly into your eyes from

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across the table. But for this
one, get to be right next to me?

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Yes, we do, and right over there
brother Jim McCarthy, yes. Well,

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you know, I decided we've had
too many you're just we needed

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to seriously dilute the ugly in
this room, right? So we invited

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somebody that has been big in
Nashville, number one

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consistently with the rock
station I love wkdf. She was a

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big fixture of that, but she's
not only done that. I can't even

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go over everything this young
lady has done over the years,

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because her resume would take up
the entire show. But joining us.

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She's not in studio, and I don't
blame her. I don't know if I'd

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hang out with us either, but
Shannon McCombs is with us.

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Shannon, how are you doing?

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Hey, I love that introduction.
Can you say that

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one more time? I will anytime
you want.

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No. Thank you. That was very
nice. Thank you. I'm doing well.

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How are you guys doing?

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Well, you know, any better, we'd
have to take medicine. We're

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doing, I'm enjoying. We're rated
PG for pretty good.

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You know, Shannon, you have,
you've made history. Here. You

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are actually our first female
guest on circling podcast. So

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yes, we,

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I'm glad to be circling, yes.

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Well, and the thing is, Shannon,
you know, a lot of people don't.

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We always talk about our heroes
in radio. Shannon was definitely

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one of my heroes, because when I
first moved to Nashville, I fell

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in love with wkdf. It was a
great rock station. Had a great

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morning man, Carl P Mayfield.
And then eventually this young

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lady came into the picture. Was
that 90 was it 1985 when you

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came on?

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I did, actually, I believe it
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moved to Nashville, because I
moved, I moved here on New

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Year's Eve. Oh, wow, yeah, New
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at the time. Helped me pack a
truck, and we borrowed a truck

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from someone and and made two
two halls to move my stuff in to

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Nashville. And you came from
Kentucky, right? I came from

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Kentucky. Yeah, Kentucky. From
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bluegrass, yeah, but yeah. When
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these guys, man, you were, I
mean, you were so good, and you

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were, you know, you were number
one consistently with the radio

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station as far as ratings go.
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you weren't, you know, a lot of,
a lot of female rock DJs were

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kind of rough, but you, you, I
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and a sweet disposition, but you
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which made you unique to me, and
that's why I loved listening to

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you. You just, and I know I
germed you. To death at a party.

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But thank you. Thank you for
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know, when I came to Nashville,
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just me being green, you know, I
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the big city, so to speak, and I
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lot of substances that I had
never seen or known of and but,

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you know, that was such a it was
a learning curve for me, you

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know, yeah, to just, to just
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was Mary Tyler Moore,

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even through the year. Yeah.

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So Shannon, did you come to
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hand? Or did you come here and
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I found one. Bill Pugh, did
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No other name. He did the show
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program director at KDF at the
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an opening. The overnight lady
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putting in her resignation. She
was or she was leaving the

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station. And a friend of mine,
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him. He worked in radio in city
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and he said, there's gonna be an
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put your resume in, you could
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pretty quick. And I did,
reluctantly, because I was

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trying to get into country
music. And so I did, and I got

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it drove down here. I remember
the I remember the day I drove

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down here all the construction,
and I was thinking, oh my gosh,

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you know, I've wanted to live in
Nashville, but I was getting the

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first hand experience of traffic
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coming from southern Kentucky.
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took a cut in pay and took a
worse shift to move to Nashville

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because I was programming a
station in Kentucky and making

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very little money, so I moved to
Nashville and made less money,

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and then worked overnights. I
didn't get all my weight

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literally for the bottom.

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Well, I think we all did that.
Yeah, yeah. In fact, I was told

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regrets. I was told Yeah, same
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program director here, he said,
Yeah, you won't make very much

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money here, because everybody
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people want to be artists. They
want to, you know, try to try to

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get a record deal. So they'll do
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kind of money. And I, yeah, I
got the same I got the same

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spiel. But how long? How long
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were with KDF until, like, what
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something like that. That was
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Fired from KDF twice. I believe
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change and format change, and
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that's when the newer rock from,
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Nirvana, that whole wave was
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formats. So we all kind of got
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Well, you're not radio until you
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That's right, I'm proud of it,
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Well, you worked with a lot of
like Carl, P What was he like to

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You know, loaded question.

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You just catch him on a good
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could have a good day with him,
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So I've heard I, I know a guy
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and because I used to love to
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show. But he said, Oh yeah. He
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He could be rough, yeah.

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They, oh, there's all kinds of
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in that room with him, you know,
when I, when I went back to KDF

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for country, yeah, it was Carl
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asked me to come back and, you
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show. But you know, that all
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think Carl was going through a
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and yeah, and it, it made it
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yeah?

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And you also worked with slats
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I love that. His show was great
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I just saw, I believe he retired
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guy, I'm in touch with him.
Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't

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know i Good. Good for him. If he
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stay in it until I get pushed
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So well I got pushed out. So
that's why I'm doing this, and I

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appreciate you coming on here
now you did go with with it.

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With country but was that what
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what you're doing now? You're
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I am, and for a long time, up
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was writing a lot of rock
stories that were going out for

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morning show prep. And so I love
that. Yes, I, you know, love my

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rock and roll, but now what I'm
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syndicated radio show for about
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weekly, and we're syndicated
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Williams, right? Well, Dana does
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Dana and I were doing a live
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to be where it was just hard to
get to him the time of day he

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needed to record it, because,
you know, Diamond Rio had a, you

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know, they're on the road a lot,
and I was always flying in there

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at the by the seat of my pants
to do that. And then so I

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started recording my my part,
and then got that syndicated.

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But Dana still, he airs it. He
airs it in his show. It's a news

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that I do, yeah, Shannon's
country news, yeah, yeah, that's

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And then I'm, I'm working on a
project I'm really excited

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about. It's a Bill Anderson
documentary, Oh, yeah. And

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they've hired me to do the
interviews for it. So and Bill,

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everybody knows and loves bill,
so it's really Yes, yes. You

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know he's been, he's been
writing songs for Wait, I added

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this up since the 50s. Wow. He's
been, been on the been on the

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radio since the 50s, and he is
still, like, we got a recording

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session the other day of him,
not a recording session, but a

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writing session. We shot a
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other day, and it's, he's just
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interviewed Billy Bob Thornton
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it. I know I've never
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he is an interesting guy. Yes,
he is Bill Anderson.

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Yes, he is also Billy Bob. A lot
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Billy Bob likes to sing and has
a band, yeah. And in fact, we

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had, we had him on the Phil
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they had this song that all it
said was, there's no whiskey

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drinkers, something like that.
There's no whiskey drinkers in

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heaven. I'm paraphrasing,
because I don't remember the

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song, but that's all it said.
That was the only one that was

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it. And we played and we played
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as a joke, and they were really
turned on. We played that, they

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said, Oh, man, that's our
favorite tune. I'm glad you guys

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picked that. And I'm thinking,
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you never know what's gonna
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Do you Well, that's the truth.
That's the truth, and Phil was

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not supposed to ask him any Phil
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think you're notorious for this,
but Phil would always ask people

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things that he was told not to
ask them.

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I know you don't do that. Do you

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well only because I want to work
with them again? Yeah, exactly,

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because that will put you on
that list, and you never, you

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never work with those people
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That's right. That's right. In
fact, he did that to Linda

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Ronstadt. He did, oh yes, Linda
Ronstadt put out this with me

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before she came on. This was on
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radio, but Phil was not supposed
to ask Linda Ronstadt about

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Jerry Brown. And of course,
midway through the interview,

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Phil goes, well, so how's Jerry
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interviewed her, right? Yeah, it

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was, it was last time she came
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hosted. I thought this was
really cool that you co hosted

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the red carpet Buddy Holly
birthday bash. And what year was

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that?

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Oh my gosh. Let me think

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turn of the century, right
around there. Wow.

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And, and somebody told me that
Paul McCarthy asked you to host.

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This was that correct?

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Yep, his. His people had asked
me to do it. They they told me

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it was per his request. And I
don't know how that happened. I

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was never told how that
happened, how he had seen me,

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but, you know, I was doing a lot
of internet stuff early, early

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on, yeah, and this was early
this was so early on for

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Internet that we did a live it
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the net. Was the company that
had approached me to do it, and

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it was so early on that, I mean,
you had to have the best of the

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best equipment to even see the
show. Oh, wow. You know, you

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remember those days? Yes, I do,
yeah, when internet was great.

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But it was really. Be a cool
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it was in the the rose ballroom,
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called, and that's, I don't know
if Paul McCarthy still owns the

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Buddy Holly publishing deal.
That's back when I think he

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still does, does he? I think so.
He used to, he used to do a

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Buddy Holly birthday bash every
year somewhere in the world, and

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this one happened to be in New
York, and so my job was to

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interview everybody coming in on
the red carpet. And then Paul

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McCarthy was hosting, stage
hosting. And I never believe it

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or not, I hosted with him like
they'd shoot me, and then they'd

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shoot him, and then I would
pitch to him on stage, and he

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would pitch to me back out in
the audience. But I never met

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him, never officially was
introduced.

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Bummer. Yeah, that's

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makes you like John Lennon more.

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We co hosted a show together.
I'd be like, at the I'd be in

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the audience, and, you know, it
was real small room, real small

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stage, and I'd, you know, I'd
toss it back to him, or he toss

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it back to me. And, but we never
actually physically met,

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although I was, I will tell you
this was strange. I'm sorry. Go

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ahead.

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No, no, I'm sorry. Please
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No, I was just gonna say I it
was the only time I was ever

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briefed on doing an interview on
how to approach an artist, and

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the publicist sat me down before
the show and said he is to be

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called Sir Paul McCarthy. This
was just right after he was

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knighted, and he gave me a list
of questions not to ask like

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you're talking about, yeah. And
then, since it was about Buddy

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Holly, they didn't want to talk
about the Beatles. So they, they

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wanted me to stay away from the
Beatles talk. Keep it all on

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buddy which I understand,
because that's the event, and it

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would have been a, you know, a
two minute interview to

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celebrate Buddy Holly. And they
did not want the attention taken

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off of Buddy Holly. Well, I can

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understand that on the red
carpet, I understand

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Who were some of the folks in
attendance that you did, in

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fact, get to speak with.

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Oh, it was, this is a long time
ago. I remember making a list

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and keeping it somewhere the I
remember the one person that

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impressed me the most was Betty
Holly's widow, and having a

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chance to talk to her. But it
was a lot of pop stars. It was

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every a lot of people that were
big pop stars at the time, that

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were doing the carpet. I don't
even recall all the names, wow.

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And you've also, I mean, like I
said, your career, I mean, it

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just goes on and on. I mean,
you, you have worked heavily

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with CMT, tnn, I mean, it just
goes on and on and

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so you keep a job.

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That's all of us. Shannon, but I
was gonna ask you, like, as far

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as country artists go, what some
of the what were the more

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interesting ones that you've
talked to that have stuck with

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you as far as interviews go?

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Right off the bat, I think of
Eddie Arnold.

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Oh, what a gentleman. What a
gentleman. Yeah.

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Oh, exactly. That's the best way
to describe him. Have you

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interviewed him before?

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Yeah, well, I had met the man
and chatted with him briefly.

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And just what a warm, genuine
guy who acted like, you know, he

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knew you Yeah. It was just, you
know, old school Nashville, just

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a gentleman

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and soft spoken

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Yeah, just like he's saying,
yeah,

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exactly you feel like, you know,
he could sing effortlessly, you

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know, but I thought he was he
always used the word lovely, You

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look lovely today. You know how
that accent. But I always

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appreciated him when he'd come
into the studio. When I was at

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XM Radio, we signed on the air
before the Hall of Fame open

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downtown, and our studio was
inside the hall of fame. So

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anytime the artists would come
visit the Hall of Fame artist,

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they, a lot of them would drop
by the studio, and we had an

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open door policy, you know,
they're in the studio. And once

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they stopped in and saw that
nobody, you know was gonna, you

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know, ask them all those
questions you were talking

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about, they would stop, they
would continue to stop in. And

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he was one of them, you know,
he'd be in this, he'd be in the

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Hall of Fame. And you, you'd see
him outside the studio and like,

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okay, Eddie Arnold's coming in.
So I love that we, the older

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artist at the time, trying to
think who, who else would come

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by. We had, well, actually, what
pops to mind was he wasn't the

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older artist, but John Conley
would would come in and and

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visit with us. I remember John
coming in one day and I was

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literally underneath the board
fixing something toolbox.

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Yeah, yeah, he could probably
relate to that. I mean, he's the

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next radio guy, yeah, yeah.

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He is, yeah. Well, you know, XM
was based out of DC, so we did

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not have an engineer in town all
the time. So when something went

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wrong, I usually was the one
that would call and say, Hey,

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this is the problem we have. And
it got to be, I heard you guys

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talking about crazy radio
stories. Oh yeah. I don't know

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if it was the last episode or
not, but I thought, oh gosh,

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this is one of my crazy radio
stories. XM bought me a tool

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kit, and it was like, a huge
tool kit, because they knew I

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would do it, yeah, I would
literally go under the board and

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adjust things, or go upstairs
where the main equipment was,

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and get us on the air, you know,
whatever you know, it wasn't

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anything major, you know. And
I'd have, I'd take my phone and

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a flashlight and call an
engineer in DC, and he would

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talk me through something. And
that's it was just such a mess

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when XM first one on the air,
because we were kind of the we

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were an afterthought in
Nashville.

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Well, until you kind of
introduced them to the Nashville

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community. Did you not the
country music?

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Yeah, that was partially my job,
yeah, to kind of convince, if

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you remember back then, you
know, radio was so scared of XM,

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of not knowing what it was going
to be, stations were turning

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them down. I mean, artists were
turning them down because

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stations were telling them, you
know,

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that's competition. Yeah, you do
XM, you won't be doing our

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Yeah, exactly player stuff.
Yeah, exactly.

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I can picture Jen Jeffries doing
that.

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It was, it was really, it was
really hard to begin with. Yeah,

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it was really hard to begin
with, because, you know,

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normally you would go through
promotions department, right,

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right, to talk to the artist and
on radio. But I ended up getting

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there. It was such a problem
that I started working with

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publicist, and so going through
the publicist that I knew, and

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they so they started doing XM
satellite radio. So I ended up

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booking everybody through
publicist instead of promotions

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people, and therefore we got the
artists that we needed.

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Wow, yeah, smart way to go. And
you've, you've worked with

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fanfare, which I guess now is
what CMA fest, but you've been

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working with them for since 1990
what is some like? See, I've

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never been a big fan of them,
changing always, like the name

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fanfare. I don't know why. I I
just can't get my head around

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CMA Music Fest. It just doesn't
have the same I don't, I guess,

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homespun feel that I thought
fanfare did. And fanfare, yeah,

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like, can you tell us some of
the interesting stories, maybe

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from some fanfare days.

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By the way I'm with you. I
always wish they had worked the

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words fanfare into the new
title. Yeah, you know, I agree.

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It just it, you know, if nothing
else, but for tradition, yes.

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But yet, you know, over the
years, over I'm trying to think

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it was the first, maybe the
first and second year that I was

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at XM, we did shows during
fanfare. Well, I think one year

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was fanfare, the next year was
CMA fest. That's about the time

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it switched over, yeah, but we
did shows in the fourth theater

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and and then we also did shows
Loretta Lynn let us borrow her

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bucks, and we put this big sign
on it said XM satellite radio.

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And we, we set up interviews on
the bus all day, when we one

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day, we'd do the bus, and one
day, we do interviews inside of

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the Ford theater. But what we
would do is overlap the

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interviews so that the artist
would overlap, and so we would

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coordinate it in a way that you
know, artists that didn't know

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each other, possibly, you know,
maybe put an older artist with a

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newer artist, and then they
would meet and they would talk

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and whatever. But I remember one
of my favorites was we, we had

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Charlie Lewin, which I loved.
He, he was in and we scheduled

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on top of him, you know, like at
the end of his his time in the

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beginning of it was a new artist
by the name of Dirk spentley,

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and they had met, but they had
such a great time on the stage

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and just just watching them. And
you know, Dirks. I don't know if

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you know him or not, but he's,
he's such a he knows country

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music, and he loves older
country music, and he was such a

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fan of the Leuven brothers and
stuff. So we knew that, and

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that's why we scheduled it, but
we did that sort of thing, which

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was just a made for an awesome
fanfare,

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very cool. You

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have a question, well, you know,
in terms of the interviews and

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the folks that you've worked
with over the years. I mean,

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we've all had them the awkward
interview, where the awkward

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Yeah, like, oh my gosh, you know
when you ask somebody to tell us

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about so and so, when you get
the uh huh, yep, you know kind

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of answer. I mean, do any
awkward interviews come to mind

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other than this one? But this is
not

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awkward. I

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heard you guys talk about
people, people yelling at you in

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the studio. I've had that happen
to me before in an interview,

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and I'm trying to think which
one to tell you about. First I

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was on the air one day at XM,
and I probably shouldn't say his

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name, because we've, we've made
friends since then. But I was on

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the air at XM, and if you were
in that studio, it was a small

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studio, and we the equipment
half worked, you know, like I

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was telling you, we had a lot of
equipment problems. And this

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artist, songwriters, was there
really well known artist, lots

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of hits, and we're doing the
interview, and he brings me in a

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CD of something that hadn't been
played on the radio yet, not

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popped it in the CD, which, by
the way, you guys will get this.

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The CD player was back here.
Yeah, right. Did not start. Did

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not start from the board. Yeah,
not remotely start it. Yeah,

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right. To start it, I'd have to
roll back, pop it, and then roll

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back in. Yes, this was XM
satellite radio. But so started

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it and it's it started skipping,
and this artist jumped up on the

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other side of the board, scared
the delivering daylights out of

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me, slammed his hands on the, on
the on the table, and said, You

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are making a fool out of me. And
I was petrified, because, first

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of all, I'd never seen rage from
this, this person before. Wow.

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And when, when he did, there
were, you know, there, that was

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a showcase studio, so there,
there was a big window, and

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people were watching, and
someone told the security guard,

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the security guard came in to
check to make sure I was okay.

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Wow, because, you know, there
was a security guard always on,

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on hand there at the Hall of
Fame. But I immediately went

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when the song ended. I ended the
interview. Good luck with

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everything, and

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we'll have the police escort you
out.

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Was that actually on the air
that he did that when you guys

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live?

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Now that, well, that was, I was
live. His song was skipping

430
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:40,960
live, but, but him yelling at me
was not live, so

431
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,880
damn it, you should have hit the
mic.

432
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,700
Yeah, I was ready to. Here's the
thing, when that happens to me,

433
00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:53,980
maybe I'm just so tender
hearted, but I immediately it

434
00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:56,740
hurt my feelings, you know, like
I didn't know, some people might

435
00:27:56,740 --> 00:28:00,540
stand up and yell back, but I
got my feelings hurt, plus I was

436
00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:03,000
scared because he was bigger
than me, and I'm looking up at

437
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,820
him, you know, you know,
towering over me and

438
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,820
and he's yelling at me. So,

439
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,120
so was it the CD or the player?
I mean, if it was the player,

440
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,880
did you that's not your Did you
get it fixed? I mean,

441
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,840
you know, there were so many
there. We literally had so many

442
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,600
problems there. I assume it was
the CD player, you know. But you

443
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,420
know, things happen like that.
Y'all know that. Oh, yeah, you

444
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:29,480
mentioned not wanting to name
names, but who wasn't

445
00:28:33,740 --> 00:28:38,060
I'll tell you a story, and I can
name a name, okay, when I was at

446
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:42,580
KDF, and y'all know how, like
when there's a concert, that

447
00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:46,840
what they would do is assign us
to take the winners backstage,

448
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840
to meet the artists. Oh yeah.
And I was, I was assigned to

449
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,000
Skid Row, and they were brand
new, probably, what around 18 in

450
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,780
life that hit right about that
time, which, I think what, they

451
00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:00,840
had two or three hits at the
time, but they were pretty

452
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,500
massive. And so I was assigned
to the listeners take them

453
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:06,840
backstage, and the listeners are
all excited, as they would be,

454
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,640
and I'm excited for them. I'd
never met Skid Row, so we're

455
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,740
back there. And so as I go to
introduce them, Sebastian Bach,

456
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:22,100
the lead singer, I introduce him
to the artist, I mean, to the to

457
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,740
the winners, they're like,
standing there, you know, all

458
00:29:24,740 --> 00:29:29,120
excited, and he goes, Who the f
are you? And like, just screamed

459
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,800
it at them and at me and and
again, it's like, I get my

460
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,780
feelings hurt, and so I'm trying
to cover for him and make sure

461
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:42,940
that they still meet him. But
they're like, crushed, but yeah,

462
00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:47,380
that Sebastian Bach, I never,
never played another show.

463
00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:52,900
In fact, we like seeing go to
Skid Row after that, after that

464
00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:53,800
reaction.

465
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,040
What a jerk in front of in front
of listeners. I mean, come on,

466
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:57,820
yeah.

467
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,260
Well, he was, he would have
never. Remembered it. Let's put

468
00:30:01,260 --> 00:30:06,360
it that way, but, but from what
I heard, he went around doing

469
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,160
that a lot, and I, you know,
didn't take long that they were

470
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,180
literally on skid row so, but I
think he did that to a lot of

471
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,640
radio stations, and people got
tired of it.

472
00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:22,520
You would think the record reps,
you know, when I those would no

473
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,020
longer, yeah, would no longer
agree to bring, you know, look,

474
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:30,860
you don't want to send listeners
back backstage with this, with

475
00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:33,680
this group. I'm surprised they
continue to let them do that.

476
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Yeah?

477
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,100
Well, they probably stopped it
after a while. Yeah. Didn't you

478
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:39,560
ever have an experience like
that? Or did you, well,

479
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,820
I mean, no, I mean, all of the
artists that I, you know, work

480
00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:46,240
with at MCA were, you know,
country artists that were pretty

481
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,640
gracious. And, you know, I
never, never really encountered

482
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,720
that. Now, in my radio days,
going backstage, I had a couple

483
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,720
of artists that you could tell,
you know, and I kind of got it,

484
00:30:55,780 --> 00:30:59,020
you know, they're tired, and we
saw them after the show. They

485
00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:02,100
just wanted to pack up and get
the heck out of there. I get it.

486
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,040
Randy Owen was that way. Just
really disinterested. You know,

487
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,520
Mark Herndon and Jeff Cook and
Teddy Gentry couldn't have been

488
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,180
any nicer, you know, for my, you
know, bringing listeners back

489
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,840
when I was in radio, yeah, but,
but, you know, being a record

490
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,220
rep, I had really good
experiences with just about all

491
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:24,800
my artists, you know, aside from
Lee Greenwood showing up in a

492
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speedo meeting, meeting artists
after a show that was, you know,

493
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,880
talk about awkward. That was a
little awkward.

494
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,460
That's a bad image. Yeah,

495
00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:45,580
yeah, flip Yeah, flip flops and
a speedo backstage at the star.

496
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:49,300
Oh, gosh, it was in
Merrillville, Indiana, the star

497
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:52,720
something theater, but Star
Plaza theater, Maryville,

498
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,640
Indiana, yeah, no, man, I talked
about that on another podcast.

499
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,560
You know? Yeah, it was the Oak
Ridge Boys and Lee Greenwood

500
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,340
and, yeah, I met listeners
backstage, and Lee shows up in

501
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:08,640
with a towel and a speedo and
flip flops. Hey, how are you?

502
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,880
And, you know, the women in
particular, like, petrified, you

503
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,080
know, yeah, oh my god. So that,
you know that was, but Lee

504
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,800
couldn't have been any nicer. He
was a promotion guy's dream

505
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,700
other than that. But, you know,
he would call, he would call

506
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,640
anybody and everybody, you know,
hey, I could get your record on

507
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,880
if you would just call this. PD,
another man. He was like, What's

508
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,740
her number? You know, he was, he
was great.

509
00:32:33,739 --> 00:32:37,459
Well, it seems like country
skill, though, didn't you go

510
00:32:37,459 --> 00:32:37,939
ahead? Oh, you'll

511
00:32:37,940 --> 00:32:42,340
go ahead. No, no, I had left MCA
before Vince got there, yeah,

512
00:32:42,340 --> 00:32:43,840
yeah. Never got to work with
Vince.

513
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,960
He worked with Steve Earle. Now,
a lot, yeah, he worked with

514
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,380
Steve Earle.

515
00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:49,420
That had to be interesting.
Yeah, Steve and I are still

516
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:54,160
pals, but, yeah. But you know,
you say you came to town in 85

517
00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:58,240
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what
I got, yeah, that's when I got

518
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,660
here. Was it sometimes? Oh,
yeah, I remember tuning into,

519
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,920
you know, KDF, and there you
were. So absolutely, so, yeah,

520
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,240
we got here same time

521
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,000
I tried to get a job over at
WSM. I just didn't have the

522
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,300
experience for it. It was, it
was a daytime job that was open.

523
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,800
And what that's when I was, you
know, really trying to get into

524
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,720
Nashville. And I remember
walking through the studios, and

525
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:26,660
that's the first time I ever met
Kathy Martindale. I've told her

526
00:33:26,660 --> 00:33:30,020
this story, but she was, she was
on the air. And, of course, you

527
00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:33,140
know, in 85 there weren't many
women on the rate on the radio.

528
00:33:33,140 --> 00:33:36,980
That's true, right, right. In
fact, I was turned down

529
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:39,620
different times from different
stations, saying, We don't put

530
00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:42,640
women on the air during daytime
hours, unless you're doing news.

531
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:46,600
And so again, a different world.
I know a different world, but I

532
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,540
remember seeing Kathy
Martindale, she was doing

533
00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:53,620
afternoons and and when I walked
by her studio thinking, it's

534
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:58,660
possible. Yeah, it's possible.
And that, to me, was like a

535
00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:03,180
really light bulb moment in it.
You know, in today's 2025,

536
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:07,200
world, it might be hard for
somebody to understand who

537
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,880
didn't live through those years,
but it was my it's possible a

538
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,640
woman can work daytime hours on
the radio,

539
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,880
you know, at a big station.

540
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,840
Yeah, that was going to be one
of my questions. I mean, I'm

541
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,720
glad you brought it up. I mean,
did you run into that glass

542
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:28,340
ceiling as as a woman trying to
to make her way, especially in

543
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:35,180
male dominated Nashville, back
in our biz, radio, record

544
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:36,080
labels, etc,

545
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:40,480
it, you know? I think that was,
that was just the way it was at

546
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,740
the time, I didn't even, didn't
even know that you you could

547
00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:47,380
force your way in, or, you know,
so to speak, I just knew that's

548
00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:51,280
the way it was. And I kept, I
kept trying Do y'all remember

549
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,720
when, back when coyote McCleod
was on kicks, 104, yes, and then

550
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,320
Mary,

551
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,780
Mary Glen, yeah, yeah. In

552
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:01,260
fact, I was going to ask. Ask
you. I was going to ask you a

553
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:04,740
question about Mary Glenn
because, in fact, you can find

554
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:08,520
it on YouTube. But there was a
there was there was a time when

555
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,060
you were on KDF, and you were
talking about that it was so

556
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:15,540
good to be in the same building
as Mary Glenn Lasseter, yes. And

557
00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:19,920
then some listener calls in and
said that Mary Glenn Lasseter

558
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,360
said, You know what the
difference is between KDF and

559
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,220
our station and the girls on
KDF? She said, teeth. And you

560
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:30,920
said, I think I'm gonna have to
go down the hall and talk to

561
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,540
Mary Glenn about this. Yeah, I

562
00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:37,100
remember that. You know Mary
Glenn was, I still have her up

563
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:42,880
as a hero of, oh, she's great.
Yes, she is in but when she was

564
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,600
working mornings with with
Coyote, at the same time, Katie

565
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,100
Haas was doing overnights, and I
used to stay up and record

566
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:55,300
Katie, because that's the only
time I could hear women on the

567
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:59,440
radio out of Nashville. And so
I'd, you know, I'd listen to

568
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:03,300
coyote in the morning, but stay
up late night and listen to

569
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:05,880
Katie. But that's, that's
another, you know, I looked up

570
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,420
to both of them because they
were, they were in Nashville and

571
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:12,900
and able to get on the air. And,
you know, again, Katie had a

572
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,900
full show, but it wasn't
daytime,

573
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,200
no, and that. And I'm so glad
that things have changed,

574
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,640
because there are so many women.
You've named a lot of them that

575
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,060
I thought were just fantastic
broadcasters, like Mary Glenn

576
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,080
yourself. Kathy Martindale, did

577
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,840
you ever work with Diana Lynn?
Diana Lynn Bracey,

578
00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:36,620
no, but I loved her, yeah.

579
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:41,500
And she worked with coyote at y1
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, you know,

580
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:45,400
Diana passed here a couple of
years ago. She was such a great

581
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,240
lady. Oh, I had a great voice,
yeah, yeah, Diana and I got to

582
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:53,800
be pretty good friends and Yeah.
Was just crushed when I heard

583
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,580
she had passed

584
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,480
me too. I, you know, I heard
that when I was at the Tennessee

585
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,360
Radio Hall of Fame dinner and
they announced her name, and I

586
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,600
was just crushed. I mean,
everybody at my table just, you

587
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,260
know, hands went to the heart
because we had no idea she I

588
00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:13,020
didn't really, didn't know her,
but I loved listening to her,

589
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,180
because she would say whatever
was on her mind.

590
00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:17,040
Oh yeah, trouble.

591
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,680
Well, she did that in real life
too, because she were, I worked

592
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,380
with her at at at WAC and, oh
yeah, she was, she, she was

593
00:37:24,380 --> 00:37:29,300
saucy. Yeah, that's about the
best word I can use for she was

594
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:30,500
a great person.

595
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,400
She she would say, she would
just, she would just say,

596
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,080
whatever I love that about her.

597
00:37:36,260 --> 00:37:40,480
Oh, me too. There's another one
on KDF too, that I really like

598
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,360
Patty Murray and and we lost her
too. What a great what a great

599
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,260
talent she was.

600
00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:52,780
She was in a car accident not
long after she had left. KDF,

601
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:58,720
yeah, her and her family moved
to Florida, and I can't her

602
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,280
husband was in the car, but
survived, but I think she was

603
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,180
the only one in in their car
that that passed. Yeah, but

604
00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:08,880
yeah, she was really something
else. I you know, she was one to

605
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,840
give advice. I remember. I
remember Patty telling me one of

606
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,960
the things always in our
remotes. They'd always give us

607
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,920
those KDF shirts to wear. This
is one of those things women of

608
00:38:19,980 --> 00:38:22,380
today probably wouldn't
understand it back then there

609
00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:24,860
was only one there was only one
size, and it was all for men,

610
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:28,280
right? They didn't make women T
shirts, so anything you put on,

611
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,780
you look like you're wearing a
tent. And they'd always give you

612
00:38:32,780 --> 00:38:35,780
that it's large to wear out in
public, and Patty would never

613
00:38:35,780 --> 00:38:38,720
wear them. And she, I remember
her telling me one day she goes,

614
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:41,860
don't wear them. You don't have
to. And they make they make you

615
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:44,920
look awful. Just don't wear
them. So it just like one of

616
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,340
those weird things to say. But,
you know, at the time, everybody

617
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:53,740
had to wear KDF shirts to
remotes, but she wasn't going to

618
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:54,460
do it.

619
00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:59,620
Well, Phil wouldn't either. We
used to when we took the get

620
00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:05,580
well card, it was an oversized
card to Amy Grant, and they

621
00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:09,060
demanded that we all wear our
station shirts. We look like

622
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,380
pizza delivery boys.

623
00:39:11,699 --> 00:39:13,439
And Phil refused, and

624
00:39:14,699 --> 00:39:17,219
I thought, You mean I didn't
have to wear their shirt. He

625
00:39:17,219 --> 00:39:22,699
said, No, man, don't. Don't wear
that stuff. But I got to ask

626
00:39:22,699 --> 00:39:27,079
you, we're talking about
clothing. And somebody asked me

627
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:29,779
to ask you this, and I hope it
doesn't get me in trouble with

628
00:39:30,019 --> 00:39:33,859
you, because we have a good
relationship. But somebody,

629
00:39:33,919 --> 00:39:37,819
somebody asked me to ask you
about an interview with Travis

630
00:39:37,819 --> 00:39:42,339
tritt, and it involved
underwear. Oh, I see the look on

631
00:39:42,339 --> 00:39:45,519
the face, yeah, I may have run
that

632
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,200
was a long time ago there.
That's back when videos were so

633
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:56,800
big, yes, and it was something
about one of his videos. And the

634
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,500
producers, I believe, had asked
me to ask that, because they

635
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,700
thought I would. It. They
provoked me a little bit and

636
00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:06,600
asked me what he was wearing
under the sheets. And he said,

637
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,960
nothing. In fact, I'm not
wearing underwear now.

638
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,400
Okay. Moving right along. Too
much information.

639
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:18,240
Yes, does make Lee Greenwood
look as bad,

640
00:40:21,179 --> 00:40:24,199
exactly, sometimes producers
would give me things to say

641
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,019
because they they would, they
would know that. I would

642
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,259
probably go out there and say
it, yeah, probably more so now

643
00:40:30,259 --> 00:40:34,099
than then. But then I just got
embarrassed. I'm sorry about

644
00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:37,699
that. Leave it to me that was
for it, yeah, an old tnn show. I

645
00:40:37,699 --> 00:40:38,599
remember that now.

646
00:40:38,659 --> 00:40:41,619
Yeah, somebody asked me to ask
you that, so don't blame me.

647
00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:46,600
Okay, okay, I appreciate No,
it's out there, so own it,

648
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,200
right? Yeah, you do. Hey, I will
be the first to tell you that I

649
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,220
have asked some pretty darn
stupid questions, but sometimes

650
00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:55,960
you get some pretty cool
answers, yeah,

651
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,300
you do, right, and you get the
truth. Sometimes,

652
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,920
what? Which one comes to mind
off the top of your head. You

653
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,440
recall that stupid question,
because we've all done it. Oh,

654
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:04,800
yeah,

655
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:08,640
that, that one is a topper. Man,

656
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:15,719
they've had me. I remember them
suggesting I ask Aaron tip and

657
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,299
his measurements. And I did, and
he was great with it, because

658
00:41:20,299 --> 00:41:22,339
that's back when he was really
working out. Yeah, the

659
00:41:22,339 --> 00:41:25,519
bodybuilder, right? Yeah. And
he, you know, I guess you're

660
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:29,539
proud of your measurements. And
I mean, he was, he was ripped,

661
00:41:29,539 --> 00:41:31,759
and I can't remember his
measurements now, but I just

662
00:41:31,759 --> 00:41:37,579
remember the embarrassment of
those words coming out. It was

663
00:41:37,579 --> 00:41:38,119
television.

664
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,819
So I want got to ask you this
too, because you are a cat

665
00:41:42,819 --> 00:41:46,959
owner, and I know of one named
Cheeto. Is that right? Yeah,

666
00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:50,559
they own me, yeah. And I know
sometimes they come in on

667
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:53,799
interviews and stuff. They're
not going to do that today,

668
00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:57,160
only because the doors close. I
don't know if you've heard him,

669
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,540
but he's been talking at the
door.

670
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,340
Oh, has he really? He's going,
Hey, man, it's my time. How many

671
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,960
cats only maize? How many

672
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,440
cats there are three? There are
three. I meant to only have two,

673
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,300
but when my uncle passed away,
his cat did not have a home and

674
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:18,240
ended up in a shelter in
Nashville. And so I called the

675
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:22,220
family, and I said, Look, if you
will go get that kitty cat, I

676
00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:25,640
will take care of her. So she's
been with me this whole time

677
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:26,600
too. So I have three.

678
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:30,860
So we got to love you for that,
for rescuing a cat. I love

679
00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:31,160
people.

680
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:34,219
Hey, thank you all. My cats are
rescues,

681
00:42:34,219 --> 00:42:36,919
yeah, so it's mine. I have 114
years now.

682
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,260
Yeah, really, yeah. So what's
the story? Did your cat come to

683
00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:42,280
your door and say, let me in?

684
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,020
No, nothing like that. I had a
friend. This was in Columbia,

685
00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:51,040
South Carolina, when I was
working there, had a friend who

686
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:57,160
had rescued a cat and from the
shelter and was told, Well, it's

687
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,860
part of a litter and they're
going to euthanize these cats,

688
00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:07,380
if something you know, anyway, I
so once I heard that, down to

689
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:12,060
the shelter, I went and I
adopted the cat, and I've had

690
00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:16,680
her ever since. So, like I say,
but for you 14 years now, but

691
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,240
I'm embarrassed. I named her a
name that I'm embarrassed to

692
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:26,420
admit I named her Peeta p i t a
because at the time, she was a

693
00:43:26,420 --> 00:43:33,680
pain in the Yeah, yeah. And it
was a joke, okay, it was just a

694
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,540
joke, but it kind of stuck. But
she's, she's Tabby Siamese, so

695
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:41,200
she's, you know, pretty cat with
the blue eyes, you know, like

696
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:46,240
Siamese eyes. And everybody
thinks that she's named after

697
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,140
pita bread, you know, because
she's kind of brown. So I don't

698
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:53,680
really have to explain where the
name came from too often. But

699
00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:55,720
anyway, yeah, she's a she's a
sweetheart.

700
00:43:56,739 --> 00:44:00,179
Cats don't cats names don't
usually make sense. Cheetos name

701
00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:03,899
is because he came to my house
with the name Cheeto, and I

702
00:44:03,899 --> 00:44:06,659
thought he needs more than that.
And I thought of Willie Mays,

703
00:44:06,659 --> 00:44:10,199
because I'm a baseball fan. He's
became. Do you remember those

704
00:44:10,259 --> 00:44:11,939
the screaming cheetah willies?

705
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,240
Yeah, yeah. God, I hadn't
thought of

706
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:19,559
it kind of sounds like the
screaming cheetah willies. Oh,

707
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:21,499
yeah, Cheeto, Willie Mae, yeah,

708
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:23,960
there you go. Well, see, I'm
jealous of you guys because I

709
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,560
used to own cats, but I can't
anymore, because I have such a

710
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,880
horrible allergy to pet dander,
I can't have any pets. But I

711
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,140
used to have a black cat. I
loved him. His name was Angus. I

712
00:44:36,860 --> 00:44:40,840
named him Angus because he was
black. So I know that's an

713
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,460
interesting story, and y'all
can't

714
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,360
an interesting story about
remember the restaurant Black

715
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,940
Angus? Yes, I do the but I
worked in Vegas, it had a big

716
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:57,700
sign on the side of the side of
the restaurant that would light

717
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:02,520
up at night, and people would
make a. Regular thing, I know

718
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,020
where you're going out of like
firing, firing BBs at the G.

719
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,120
I don't know this funny story,
completely different tangent,

720
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,500
but why not bring it up? Only in
Vegas,

721
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:22,520
that story didn't stay.

722
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,299
Oh, there you go. It's only in
Vegas. Yeah, I want to help you

723
00:45:26,299 --> 00:45:31,459
out with that cat thing. John,
okay, I am, I am horribly

724
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,839
allergic to cats. Are you
really? I take out I am, I take

725
00:45:35,899 --> 00:45:36,919
allergy medication.

726
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,919
We'll see I do too, but it
doesn't, it

727
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,540
wouldn't help, right? No, just
had to throw that in there.

728
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:45,880
I'm a bad one. Yeah, that's what
a lot of people can't

729
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,020
understand, because the people
get so upset with me, if I you

730
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:52,780
know, because it, what it does,
it sends me to the basically

731
00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:55,960
emergency rooms. I can't so it's
like anaphylaxis, everything,

732
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,060
everything closes up. I can't
breathe.

733
00:45:58,060 --> 00:46:01,560
It's not good. Have you tried
flow days? Yeah,

734
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,400
nothing, really does. Some
people have suggested allergy

735
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,960
shots, but those are too much.
So I just choose to, we have a

736
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,600
lot of wildlife around the
house, so that's what I choose

737
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,880
to that's our pets, the deer.

738
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,880
And from what I hear about you,
John, there's a lot of wildlife

739
00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:18,840
in your house.

740
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,180
Well, we won't go there, and I
don't wear Speedos.

741
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,280
I do wear underwear

742
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,120
now too. You used to work with
kicks Brooks, who I love. We got

743
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,900
to work with him when I am we
worked with cumulus over there,

744
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:41,920
and he did the countdown show
over there too. But I know you

745
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,360
worked on that show as well.

746
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,980
I did. I love kicks, and I have
told him this over and over, the

747
00:46:47,980 --> 00:46:53,020
best boss I've ever had. I
produced his syndicated

748
00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:56,980
countdown and they were changing
producers, and he had asked me

749
00:46:56,980 --> 00:47:00,720
to come in, or it was someone
within his company did, because

750
00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:07,380
I'd only known at that point,
kicks through interviews and up

751
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:11,100
until then, but I produced it,
and then we had worked together

752
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:13,560
a couple of weeks. And I said,
you know, he needs to be writing

753
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,620
this show with me, because I was
producing and writing, because

754
00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:20,660
it was him. Anyway, it was his
words. I know what I'd write.

755
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:26,240
But so he ended up CO writing
the show. I basically would get

756
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,120
the ideas of what he wanted to
talk about, and then I would

757
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,840
write it all up, and we would
record it every week. That was,

758
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,360
that was a really good
experience working with him.

759
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:39,680
Oh, I bet he's such a great guy,
and I got to tell you this

760
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,260
story, but he is he, when he was
doing it at cumulus, he was

761
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:49,960
setting up the studio, and they
had to, he wanted to bring in

762
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,580
this couch. It was like a
leopard covered. I called it the

763
00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:58,240
ginger Lynn couch. That's,
that's, but it is really body

764
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:01,680
couch. Yeah, you remember that?
So they had to take out a

765
00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:05,100
window. I know what you're gonna
say, yeah, yeah. They had to

766
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:09,240
take out a window and spend all
this money and bring it into his

767
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,240
studio. I thought that was, I
thought, man, to have power like

768
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,860
that. I want that.

769
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:16,620
It'll happen.

770
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,020
That's when I believe that show.
There you go. I believe that

771
00:48:21,020 --> 00:48:25,040
show was ABC. Then, yes, they
were. They really, they had a

772
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,280
lot of money back then. It
seemed like they were throwing

773
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,180
it around pretty good.

774
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,979
Yeah, they were. They even when
they moved the show out to to

775
00:48:33,979 --> 00:48:39,559
the KDF studios, I guess where
those are at, they built him a

776
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:44,139
basketball court. It was NBA
style, and I think he only

777
00:48:44,139 --> 00:48:47,679
played on it once for a photo
op. Did not know that.

778
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,680
Yeah, hearing about that, yeah,
yeah. I think we talked about

779
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:50,980
that on

780
00:48:50,980 --> 00:48:53,620
the show, yeah. But even when I
was working in the business, I

781
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:54,280
heard about that.

782
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,480
Yeah, interesting. You know
what? Knowing knowing kicks, he

783
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,900
probably did that so that
everybody would have a

784
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:06,360
basketball court at the radio
station. That'd be cool. He

785
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,760
would do those sort of things.
Yeah, that'd be cool.

786
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:12,660
Yeah, I used to work out of that
same building that with you.

787
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:14,940
Did you really?

788
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:16,380
I did not know this.

789
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,500
That's, that's where we did the
did kicks a show when I worked

790
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:19,860
with him,

791
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:21,859
and we never crossed paths.

792
00:49:24,139 --> 00:49:26,659
No, you, we would be in there
different times recording you

793
00:49:26,659 --> 00:49:27,439
y'all were gone.

794
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:29,840
Oh yeah. Well, you're probably
better off.

795
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:36,740
Well, I feel bad too, because I
I really got to truly meet

796
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:41,380
Shannon at the lovely gal named
Deborah Evans price, it was at

797
00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:45,340
her house. She has these writer
jam sessions and stuff, and

798
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:49,300
Shannon happened to be there,
and I wore Shannon out. I felt

799
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:52,300
bad afterward because I just
talked her ear off because, you

800
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,700
know, you don't get to meet one
of your radio heroes.

801
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:58,000
And no, you didn't. I felt like
it was like back and forth. We

802
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,480
were we had lots of radio
stories. To share?

803
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,360
Yes, we did. I wish we could
share them here. But you know,

804
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,880
we want to keep friends, don't
we have

805
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,300
any questions for us by chance?
I mean, we're right here for

806
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:09,840
you.

807
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,000
Actually, we'll go right ahead.
It's your

808
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,200
chance ask us anything. If you
guys have talked about this in

809
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,660
your shows, and I've missed it,
I'm sorry. But with with all

810
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:25,160
these radio people right here,
all four of us tell me you have

811
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,420
the radio dreams that I have.
Oh, absolutely nightmares.

812
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,500
Absolutely yes. Everybody has
those. If you've been in radio

813
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,660
any amount of time at all, yeah,
sures well for me, different.

814
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:44,200
Well, for me, it is the panic
Dream like, you know, I started

815
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,280
in 1978 in high school. So we're
talking, you know, turntables,

816
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,660
cart machines, etc, reel to
reels. You know, razor blades

817
00:50:52,660 --> 00:50:57,700
and wax. You know, grease
pencils. But the panic dream

818
00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:02,880
where the record is running out,
I can't find another record to

819
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:07,620
put on the cart. Machine has
gone crazy, and there's tape

820
00:51:07,620 --> 00:51:10,500
everywhere. And it's just,
there's

821
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:12,600
put another cotton ball on a
pencil.

822
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:19,080
That's right, there's dead air,
and the hotline is ringing. And

823
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:24,560
it's just, it's a total panic
dream, because I can't, there's

824
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,580
dead air, and it just, oh, it,
you know, wake up in a cold

825
00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:31,940
sweat. That's, that's my radio
panic dream.

826
00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:35,240
I guess mine was similar Mine
would be.

827
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:39,680
Recently, I've had Phil
Valentine in my dreams a lot

828
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:46,600
lately, and in one it was
bizarre, because he was supposed

829
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,200
to be doing the show, and he he
said, I can't do the show.

830
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,100
You're gonna have to do it. And
I didn't have anything prepared.

831
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,060
And I'm thinking, What a dream.
What am I gonna talk about? And

832
00:51:58,060 --> 00:52:01,560
I was panicking. And on top of
that, for some reason I was in

833
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,280
my underwear. Seriously, I know
we've been talking about

834
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,300
underwear here, but it was like
and where are my clothes? You

835
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:09,540
know,

836
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:15,120
super talk TV, man, I gotta have
clothes on.

837
00:52:16,139 --> 00:52:18,959
Well, thank God. Cameras make
everything look bigger. Anyway,

838
00:52:19,859 --> 00:52:20,359
what about you,

839
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,260
Jim, I think my nightmare would
be being back in radio,

840
00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:33,500
podcasting. This is what keeps
my appetite wetted. I'm good

841
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:34,400
with this so,

842
00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:37,760
so what are some of your
nightmares? Shannon, as far as

843
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:38,120
radio,

844
00:52:38,179 --> 00:52:41,559
they're real, really, very
similar, but that the one I have

845
00:52:41,799 --> 00:52:46,479
have more often and same with
you like I started out in with

846
00:52:46,479 --> 00:52:50,379
the the tapes and the records.
And even though we've gone

847
00:52:50,379 --> 00:52:53,799
digital and we went to CDs a
long time ago, those are never,

848
00:52:53,799 --> 00:52:58,239
in my dreams, never, there's
never anything digital, and it's

849
00:52:58,899 --> 00:53:04,319
always in a large room, yes. And
these, the console is back in

850
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:07,499
the corner of what looks like a
warehouse, and it's dark all

851
00:53:07,499 --> 00:53:11,459
around me. And so when I, when I
do run out of albums or records

852
00:53:11,459 --> 00:53:15,419
or music, and I go out to look
for it somewhere else, I can't

853
00:53:15,419 --> 00:53:20,359
see to find it. Yeah, yeah. I
know it's in a room. I can't I

854
00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:23,179
can't find it. I know it's over
there somewhere, but I'll pull

855
00:53:23,179 --> 00:53:25,399
something, even if I pull
something out, I can't read it

856
00:53:25,399 --> 00:53:29,119
because it's dark. And if, if I
drag it into the light to play

857
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:33,139
it on the on the air, what I run
into there is, like, we don't

858
00:53:33,139 --> 00:53:36,919
play this, you know, it'll be a
different format of music. So

859
00:53:36,919 --> 00:53:41,139
sometimes I find the music to
play, but it's not what we play

860
00:53:41,439 --> 00:53:42,339
on that station,

861
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:45,820
then you wake up and you're
like, Thank God I'm away,

862
00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:49,780
yeah, thank God that wasn't
real, yeah. So why do you I

863
00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:55,600
mean, there has to be some deep,
dark psychological reason that,

864
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,200
you know, everybody I talked in
radio has these similar types of

865
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,120
dreams. You know,

866
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:04,380
I wonder about that, because do
other industries have the same

867
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:08,040
type of, you know, nightmares
that are so similar, oh gosh,

868
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,700
you know, I don't think they do,
because my wife never has said,

869
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,960
you know, about having, you
know, nightmares about stuff at

870
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,500
work.

871
00:54:17,580 --> 00:54:21,560
I don't know. Boy, oh gosh, the
cash register had no money in

872
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,580
it, and I couldn't find any
change, and the credit card

873
00:54:25,580 --> 00:54:29,420
machine didn't work. Yeah, I
don't hear stories like that.

874
00:54:29,420 --> 00:54:29,900
You know,

875
00:54:30,619 --> 00:54:31,819
we're just damaged people.

876
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,240
Maybe we've all had program
directors yell at it.

877
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:40,900
Oh, no, not program directors.
No, I've never had anyone scream

878
00:54:41,740 --> 00:54:44,440
at me ever do you have any other
questions you'd like to ask us?

879
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,920
We're kind of putting it back on
you now.

880
00:54:48,820 --> 00:54:51,220
You know I can sit here and ask
y'all questions all day. I'd

881
00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:54,520
like to know who y'all have
interviewed, who you thought was

882
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,140
the best interview you ever did?

883
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,419
Wow, I'll go with you. Jay,

884
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,740
oh, gosh, probably the best.
Radio interview I ever had was

885
00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:07,920
Dan seals. Really, I love him.
Oh gosh, he was, he was such a

886
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,380
down to earth, you know, Texas
guy, and I got to interview him

887
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:19,200
on air, and he was almost, I
won't you know, he was proud of

888
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,600
the England Dan John Ford Coley
days, but in a way, he was kind

889
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,500
of embarrassed by because he
said that was not him, you know,

890
00:55:27,860 --> 00:55:33,980
raised on a Texas ranch and was
always a country guy, but just

891
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:38,780
yeah, just so friendly and down
to earth. And it just broke my

892
00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:42,040
heart. You know, when he passed
away. I think he was 60 years of

893
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,340
age, you know, and but, yeah,
there's some really, really

894
00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:47,620
great memories interviewing dan.

895
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:56,139
He had such a light about him.
He was a very spiritual guy, I

896
00:55:56,139 --> 00:56:00,779
would assume, just in the way he
talked. I did like him, yeah,

897
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:01,619
John,

898
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:07,919
I think, I think, and it was
with this podcast, I think my

899
00:56:07,919 --> 00:56:12,059
favorite person to interview was
actually Reggie ham, yeah, I

900
00:56:12,059 --> 00:56:16,619
enjoyed, I for one thing, I and
you just said, you know, like

901
00:56:16,619 --> 00:56:21,139
with Dan seals, very spiritual
guy. I got that from, from from

902
00:56:21,139 --> 00:56:24,739
Reggie as well. Reggie is just
the kind of person that I

903
00:56:24,739 --> 00:56:30,859
really, you know, he's not a
superstar, but he should be, and

904
00:56:30,859 --> 00:56:32,239
he's a great talent.

905
00:56:33,139 --> 00:56:36,139
I was, I was trying to figure
out how to equate him the other

906
00:56:36,139 --> 00:56:39,259
day because he asked me to put
his Patreon fundraiser

907
00:56:39,259 --> 00:56:42,999
Kickstarter yes and I wanted to
say that he was akin to a modern

908
00:56:42,999 --> 00:56:45,819
day Mark Twain, but I don't know
if that was the right

909
00:56:49,299 --> 00:56:53,199
comparison. Yeah, he's more of a
modern day like American

910
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,499
philosopher, you know what I
mean. And I think one of the

911
00:56:56,499 --> 00:57:01,199
most, one of the most prolific
songwriters we've ever had in

912
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:04,679
quite a long time. Yeah, he just
doesn't. He needs, you know,

913
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,160
more credit for it. Yeah, he
does. He does. And I guess

914
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,660
another that people would know
was, and it really was a great

915
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:15,780
interview, but it was Tanya
Roberts, you she was the last

916
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,560
Charlie's Angel, yeah? But we
actually had a good interview,

917
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,600
and plus, I kind of had a crush
on her at the time. How could

918
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:23,840
you know

919
00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:26,840
she read Sonia?

920
00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:29,900
Yes, yeah, she was, yeah, oh, I
remember.

921
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,360
See how was, I guess, the
question goes to me, what's I

922
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,080
mean? Shannon McCombs, of
course, well, yeah,

923
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:48,400
easy answer on one of my
podcasts

924
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,720
wasn't in the room. There you
go.

925
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,620
One of the podcasts I produced,
we interviewed one of the most

926
00:57:53,620 --> 00:57:57,820
influential drummers in my life,
Charlie Benante, who played with

927
00:57:57,820 --> 00:58:00,120
anthrax. He's played with
Pantera. He's played with all

928
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,880
sorts of bands throughout I was
a big metal guy growing up, but

929
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,660
he was very influential on my
playing. And of course, I made a

930
00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:09,660
fool out of myself at some
point, when you were talking in

931
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:11,820
the previous episode we
recorded, you mentioned your

932
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:14,940
mother's very Italian last name,
and I said, Oh my gosh, it's so

933
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:19,140
Irish. And I did that on the on
the podcast, and it was met with

934
00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:24,260
utter crickets. He's like, such
a great Irish last name. He

935
00:58:24,260 --> 00:58:26,420
literally, it was a zoom
interview, and he literally

936
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:31,520
looked at the camera like,
really, yeah, I'm Italian. I'm

937
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,980
going, Yeah, I'm just gonna go
back into my ashtray. I'll be

938
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:38,060
about that big. But he didn't
appreciate your sense of humor.

939
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:41,619
I don't think, I don't think I
delivered it right, so I blame

940
00:58:41,619 --> 00:58:42,999
myself the whole time.

941
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,300
I will tell you one that I
forgot about was Penn Jillette.

942
00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:50,020
Penn and Teller, yeah, I
interviewed him on W, L, A, C,

943
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:53,140
and we just really hit it off.
He's a cool dude. Yeah, he was

944
00:58:53,140 --> 00:58:56,620
very cool. I really enjoyed him.
But you had the best interview

945
00:58:56,620 --> 00:58:58,720
of all the guy that killed Bin
Laden.

946
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,160
Well, yeah, I mean the

947
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:05,879
ROB O'Neill, yeah, yep, yep.
Where do you go after that?

948
00:59:05,879 --> 00:59:07,979
Yeah, talking about a mic drop,
a resume.

949
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:13,020
Did he tell you details what?
What was, what do you ask that

950
00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:13,380
guy?

951
00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:15,780
Well, it was a, it was a client
of mine. They interviewed him,

952
00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:18,300
but, I mean, I was able to be a
part of it and listen to it.

953
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:21,740
But, I mean, yeah, he tells the
whole story about how they went

954
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:26,000
in. It's well documented, but a
lot of insight and wisdom came

955
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,600
out of that, that podcast, even
the way he talked about becoming

956
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,560
a Navy SEAL. And he says, you
know, even though it's displayed

957
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,440
in the movies, how it's like,
this really insurmountable

958
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,780
thing, he's like, You got to
remember, people still are Navy

959
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:41,560
SEALs, even though the bell is
right there, and you can ring

960
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,380
it. He says, if you're gonna
quit, quit tomorrow. And I was

961
00:59:44,380 --> 00:59:48,340
like, Oh my gosh, that is a
great piece of wisdom. Yeah, you

962
00:59:48,340 --> 00:59:51,880
know, my God. It's like, like,
that's a that's a song, Yeah,

963
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,240
tomorrow, which I have actually
already written on AI. So don't

964
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,020
even think about

965
00:59:59,739 --> 01:00:01,499
this. Sit down. I was gonna
write

966
01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:04,740
it. Shannon,

967
01:00:06,179 --> 01:00:08,279
this dangerous thing about
Nashville, you have to be

968
01:00:08,279 --> 01:00:09,299
careful what you say.

969
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:13,200
I've got a well documented I've
already talked about I've got

970
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:13,740
claim.

971
01:00:15,540 --> 01:00:19,140
How is it? We all ended up in
Nashville, and we're not writing

972
01:00:19,140 --> 01:00:21,620
songs that are getting big hits.

973
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:24,379
Yeah, I don't understand. And
when you came to town, where did

974
01:00:24,379 --> 01:00:26,359
you want to do that? Was that
part of

975
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,640
No, no, it's just never been
something I wanted to do. Wow.

976
01:00:32,179 --> 01:00:35,179
So you're about the only one
that's ever been in I might be,

977
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:37,699
I think you are, because I
nearly everybody I've met in

978
01:00:37,699 --> 01:00:40,959
radio, they've all wanted to be
an artist of some kind?

979
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,380
No, it's like, I tell everybody,
not me,

980
01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:49,480
I'm completely musically
untalented, but I love listening

981
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,560
to it so well,

982
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,040
that's the thing I love about
you. You, you love music. It's

983
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,700
very obvious, because, you know,
there's not many people that can

984
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,200
interview Motley Crue in the
same day, and then a few hours

985
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,980
later, interview Randy Travis.
But this young lady can do it,

986
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:08,160
and Plus she's in there stuff.
She's in the Tennessee Radio

987
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,640
Hall of Fame, of course, which
she should be, and that was in

988
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,300
2021 and I'm glad you're there,
because you are one of my

989
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:16,620
heroes. You always have been.

990
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:20,660
Well, thank you. I have been
told that you were one of the

991
01:01:20,660 --> 01:01:21,740
people that nominated me.

992
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,840
Really, Yes you were. I went,
Yes I was. I have

993
01:01:28,219 --> 01:01:29,719
absolutely nothing to do with

994
01:01:31,219 --> 01:01:32,539
if you did, I thank you.

995
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,980
Well, you know, meeting me,
Okay, I'll go with that. Okay,

996
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:40,840
yeah, thank you, but I wanted
you in there. I wanted you Thank

997
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,380
you. But yeah, you are, you
know, there have been a lot of

998
01:01:44,380 --> 01:01:48,940
women that have been my heroes
in radio, but you are number

999
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:52,120
one. And I mean that because,
you know, I love Kathy

1000
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,900
Martindale. I love Mary Glenn
Lassiter. There's so many others

1001
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:59,500
that I love, that are great,
that are women, but you were

1002
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:03,300
always number one with me,
because you rock and roll, but

1003
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:07,980
you also country better than
anybody, so you make my day.

1004
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,400
Thank you. Now, where can people
check you out? Find out more

1005
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:12,300
about you?

1006
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:16,979
Well, I'm on Facebook, so that's
probably the best, best shot.

1007
01:02:16,979 --> 01:02:20,839
And you also have a, I also have
a I have a website, yes, Shannon

1008
01:02:20,839 --> 01:02:27,919
McCombs, calm, I think Facebook
and that site is probably the

1009
01:02:27,919 --> 01:02:32,659
best way. I also use Twitter,
but Instagram very little. But I

1010
01:02:32,659 --> 01:02:35,059
try to post some of the
interviews I do on Facebook.

1011
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:38,959
Can't post them all, but every
once you know, I post one, every

1012
01:02:38,959 --> 01:02:39,919
once in a while that I do

1013
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,940
well, I loved your throwback
picture of you and Bobby

1014
01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:47,680
Braddock, Halloween. That was
Halloween. I love that that you

1015
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,860
talk about one of my favorite
songwriters. Oh, he was

1016
01:02:50,860 --> 01:02:51,880
fantastic.

1017
01:02:52,179 --> 01:02:55,119
Isn't he amazing? He is amazing
if y'all haven't, if y'all

1018
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:58,299
haven't seen it. A few years
ago, we went to a Halloween

1019
01:02:58,299 --> 01:03:01,919
party together in the Halloween
party is always it's a theme,

1020
01:03:01,919 --> 01:03:05,819
you know, to come dressed up as
an artist, country. Artist,

1021
01:03:05,819 --> 01:03:10,499
country. You know, I thought,
why not do a song? So I told ASK

1022
01:03:10,499 --> 01:03:15,179
BOB if he would do it. And he
said, Yes. So we dressed up. I'm

1023
01:03:15,179 --> 01:03:18,659
a widow, and he's a dead man. So
we went as he stopped loving her

1024
01:03:18,659 --> 01:03:21,679
today. Yeah.

1025
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,940
Well, Glenna sends her love to
you, and I send my love to you,

1026
01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:29,480
as we all do, and we really
appreciate you being on with us,

1027
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:30,500
on circling the drain.

1028
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:34,460
Shannon, oh, thank you. Thanks
for asking me, and you tell

1029
01:03:34,460 --> 01:03:38,900
Glenna, I said, Hello, love her
to death. I sure will. Thanks

1030
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:41,260
for asking me to be on here, and
I still think that you need to

1031
01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:45,460
get that new song as your theme
song, circling the drain.

1032
01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:48,220
Oh yeah, definitely. There's a
new song out. Oh, really,

1033
01:03:48,220 --> 01:03:51,040
circling the drain. Yes, so
we'll probably have to check

1034
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,580
into that definitely. But thanks
again. It was sweet to have you,

1035
01:03:54,580 --> 01:03:58,060
and I appreciate you doing this
with us. Thank you. Thank you

1036
01:03:58,060 --> 01:04:01,560
all. I love you. We love you
too. And join us again on

1037
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:02,400
circling the drain. You.