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Hello and welcome to Pickleball Therapy,
the podcast dedicated to

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your pickleball improvement.

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I hope you're having a great week.

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I'm your host of this
weekly podcast, Tony Roig.

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It's a pleasure to be with you.

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We are in our new space inside our studio.

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We've dedicated this part of
the studio to the podcast.

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Shout out to Kylene for helping us deck it
out with all this awesome stuff behind us,

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including this great bowl of ice cream as
a constant reminder

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of what is probably our most significant
contribution to the sport of pickleball,

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the idea of having a bowl of ice
cream every time that you play.

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This week, I'm going to be
talking about chasing fairies.

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And by chasing fairies, you'll see it's
basically chasing

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concepts or ideas that don't really
pan out at the end of the day.

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And so maybe taking a different approach
that will be more productive

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for you as you move forward.

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Before we do that, a couple of
housekeeping ones as a shout-out, and then

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the other one, I want to give you an
update on a course that's coming up.

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So first of all, the shout-out this week
is going to be to our YouTube community.

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I appreciate you all
checking us out on YouTube.

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If you haven't checked it out on
YouTube, take a look at it on there.

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It's pickleball Therapy on YouTube,
just the same name as this.

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You get to check out the studio upgrades
and let me know in the comments what you

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think about the studio and how you like
the bowl of ice cream and

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everything behind us here.

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Alan, always appreciate your comments.

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Alan is basically consistent.

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Alan, not basically, is consistent.

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Every week, he has a comment, and we have
these conversations in the community

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here on the YouTube channel.

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It's really a great way of keeping the
fire alive, if you will, in terms

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of what we're trying to do here.

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Appreciate Craig for coming in
and commenting from time to time.

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Thank you, Craig.

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Shaq, welcome to the podcast.

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New listener.

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We have Larry, again,
another new listener.

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Welcome to the podcast.

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I appreciate you commenting and sharing.

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Greg has been with us for a while, too,
and Greg is usually pretty

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consistent about commenting as well.

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Thank you, Greg, for sharing your journey.

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A lot of times, I would submit to you that
when you share of yourself,

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when you're vulnerable and you share
what's going on, the good

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and also the not-so-good.
Not-so-good, not so good.

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Not so good in a negative sense,
just in we'd rather it be otherwise.

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It's good in general because it helps
other players who may feel

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alone in that situation.

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It may feel like they're the only ones who
are going through whatever

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that is to not feel so alone.

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So I really appreciate you
sharing that information.

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I saw a couple other
new listeners in here.

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I wanted to...
Hello, Michelle.

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Welcome to the podcast.

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Kevin, thank you.

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Welcome to the podcast.

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Actually, I don't know if Kevin
is welcome to the podcast.

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I think Kevin, you've been around for a
while, so let me know in the comments.

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I think you've been with
us for a minute or two.

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Matt, thank you very much for the comment.

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It looks like Daran.

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Daran is, I think, fairly
new to the podcast as well.

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If you haven't checked it
on YouTube, check it out.

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If you haven't subscribed to it, as
always, please consider subscribing.

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It really helps us reach other players
with this content.

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This content is not the sexiest, and
actually the content we're going to talk

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about in this podcast is the sexiest.

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So one more bit of housekeeping is every
month we have a live online training.

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Think of it like a clinic, an
online clinic, if you will.

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It's live.

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We come into the Strategy Lab studio here.

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We have a state-of-the-art studio.

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It's without equal in our sport.

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We come in here, we break down some game
tape, we look at different concepts,

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we answer some questions.

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It's just a really good
way of learning pickleball.

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And when you think about learning
pickleball, the most

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efficient use of my time with you as a
player is for me to

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transfer knowledge to you.

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I think as players, sometimes we get lost
in the idea of hitting balls, which

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is nothing wrong with that, right?

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Being on court, you need to be
on court to learn pickleball.

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Nothing could be further from the truth.

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In fact, it's been really nice to see some
other coaches chime in on this recently

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out there in the social media ecosystem,
talking about how our job as coaches

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is to transmit knowledge to you.

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We've been doing this for a long time,
transmitting knowledge through words.

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Sometimes we'll get pushback by players
who are saying, You're talking too much.

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Folks, I don't know.

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This is how we're designed to
communicate other than non-verbally.

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But words are important because they
allow me to communicate with you.

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Anyway, the online clinic is a really
interesting way to learn

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more about pickleball.

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It's a very comfortable
environment to learn.

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And also because when you're off-court,
you get to really focus on the thing.

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When you're on-court, you're
worried about doing the thing.

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Those are two different
things going on, three different mindsets.

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Anyway, I'll put a link in the show notes
and you can check out one of the

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One of the online trainings you go on to,
the next one, the one in June,

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is going to be about dinks.
We're going to go deep in dinks.

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All right, so let's talk about this idea
of chasing fairies and what

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we're talking about here.

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When you're young, You have this idea of
the tooth fairy and Santa Claus and things

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like that, and that's perfectly fine to
be young and think about those things.

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But as we get older, I think we still
have a little bit carry-over with that.

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And what happens, And it's very specific
to pickleball,

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is we start chasing these ideas
that are deemed to be sacrosanct or deemed

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to be the way we're supposed to do stuff
without understanding the why.

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And then if we don't understand the why,
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First of all, I would submit to you, it's
not as fulfilling for you as a player,

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because the more you understand the why,
the more you're in the no, and the more

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you're making decisions for yourself.

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And the other thing is, oftentimes, if you
don't know the why, you end up chasing a

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fairy that's not there.

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A pot of gold at the end
of a rainbow doesn't exist.

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It appears to be a thing.

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It's not a thing.

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And a couple of examples that come to mind
are, one is, I heard this from a good

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friend and player here locally who
She's got the pulse on what's going on out

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there with pickleball and what players
are doing and hearing and all that.

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And we were just talking about the game.

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I was talking about the same
thing I mentioned about the dinks.

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I was telling her that what I was seeing
is we've advocated flat

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dinking forever, basically.

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Not saying you can spin your dinks.

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I spend some time to spin my dinks.
It's fine.

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But flat dinking is a great way of dinking
if you don't have consistency with your

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dinks, and you can do a lot
of lifting with flat dinks.

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And what we've been seeing is
the pros have migrated in that direction.

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You're seeing more flat dinks from the
pros because the pros are realizing that

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they don't need to add the extra chance of
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oftentimes in their dinks.

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They can just flat dink it into a spot.

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What's called sometimes a neutral
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They will hit those all the time.

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Anyway, so we were talking about that, and
then my friend said, Yeah, because

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all the players want to spin it.

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And then she said, Top spin, under spin.

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I was like, Side spin?

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So I had to stop her.
I'm like, Did I hear you correctly?

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Side spinning dinks now is a thing?

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And that's a fairy, folks.

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I can't Think of a reason why
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And not even the pros sidespin their
dinks because there's no advantage to it.

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But I will tell you this,
that spin will definitely increase

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your error rate for no gain.

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So that's an example of a ferry.

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It's something that we
hear about and we chase.

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Another example of a ferry
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Forehand in the middle, it doesn't work.

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I'll give you one quick takeaway here.

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If you want to see the full breakdown,
it's on the In2Pickle channel on YouTube.

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Just type in In2Pickle,
I am the number 2 pickle.

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Forehand in the middle.

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You should come across the video.

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But the easiest way of showing the flaw in
a four-hand in the middle is,

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I am a left-handed player.

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Let's say you're a right-handed player,
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Four-hands are in the middle.
Who takes the ball?

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Me or you?

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They're both four-hands.

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That doesn't answer the question.

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Our concept, respect the X, you should
still look at it because you need to

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understand the Y, but
we'll explain to you why.

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When we talk about respect the X, we
explain to you, Here's why it works.

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Because of this, this is, here's how
you break it, here, here, and here.

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We have a whole course coming out inside
our academy that's going to basically

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break it down into all of its subparts.
But respect the X works.

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And it works because it can pass the black
box test, whereas Four

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in the middle can't.

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Four in the middle ends up being a ferry.

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And the same thing I heard recently about
this conversation about third shot drop,

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sorry, third shot drive, fifth shot drop.

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And the conversation basically
went something like this.

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So what happened was, back in
the day, it was third shot drop.

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You dropped the third.

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That's why it has the name
third shot drop, right?

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That was the strategy.

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And then, pros started doing a
third shot drive, fifth shot drop.

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Now, there's a reason why they did that.

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I'll explain in a second.

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But that became a strategy
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But what happened was when the pros
started doing it, amateurs started saying,

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Okay, I need to third shot
drive, fifth shot drop.

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Now, they were doing that oftentimes
without considering the reason to do

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a third shot drive, fifth shot drop.
They were just doing it.

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Doing it like that is just a fairy,
basically, because it doesn't

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have any substance to it.

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It's just following a thing.

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I don't know why I'm doing it, but I'm
doing it because that's what I heard.

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And then the folks that I heard talking
about this, we're talking about then

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the game's evolving to now
they're driving on the seventh,

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driving on the ninth, what's going on?

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And so it becomes very confusing because
As soon as the pros do something,

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then the amateur ranks are going,
Wait a minute, they're doing that.

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I don't understand why they're doing that.
So I guess I got to start doing that.

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Everybody starts chasing it.

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And what happens is, going back to the
third shot, drive, fifth shot, drop, is

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Let's assume that you were a player at the
time who had a great third shot drop, and

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you could still third shot drop very
well, and it was working for you.

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But all of a sudden it becomes
third shot, drive, fifth shot, drop.

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Players migrated from their
approach, which was working.

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And I'm not saying don't grow as a player,
but this particular strategy wasn't

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necessary for them
because they were able to drop the third.

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The reason the pros started driving the
third and dropping the fifth was because

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they were having, at the time, difficulty
dropping those thirds

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because the returners had gotten better
at hitting returns that

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were difficult to drop.

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The best example I can give you is
there was a hard slice, low slice

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that started getting developed.

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I actually played against one of
the players who started with that.

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Abby is her name, really
good player back in the day.

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And she had this slice, low, hard return
to serve, very difficult to hit a third

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from because it had so much action.
It was so hard.

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It was coming in so much pace
that you couldn't really drop it.

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So the way you dealt with
that was you drove that one.

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Now, the drive wasn't intended to do
anything other than just keep

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the ball alive, obviously.

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So the drive itself was
just keep the ball alive.

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And then when you got the volley back,
the volley wouldn't have as much action

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because it would just be like a punch
volley and it wouldn't

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have as much spin on it.

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That's why you could then drop the fifth
better than you could have dropped

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that third in that situation.
But it was very situational.

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It wasn't like something that
you should apply all the time.

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It wasn't a fairy that you...
Or it was a fairy.

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It wasn't like a thing that you just did.

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But players started doing it, and they
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shot, drive, fifth shot, drop.

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It was a thing you did all the time,
which, again, doesn't make any sense if

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you understand the purpose of the third
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And so this idea of chasing these
concepts, chasing these fairies, if you

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will, what happens is you end up lost.

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You end up like,
you'll We'll hear about the side spin on

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the dink, and all of a sudden it's like,
Hey, I guess I got a side spin on the

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dink, because that's the ferry, that's
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And what I would suggest to you is
when you are presented with this type of

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information, pause
and ask yourself, Why am I doing this?

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And the better you understand the
framework of pickleball, and that's the

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framework of pickleball is how the game is
constructed, the non-volley zone, the two

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bounce rule, how they interplay,
advantage, disadvantage, your objectives,

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all that comes under framework.

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And it's how we teach everything inside
everything we do at Better pickleball.

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And the academy and our TPS, everything is
built around this idea of framework first,

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and then under that, you have
objectives and strategies and shots.

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If you can understand framework,
then you're able to say,

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Okay, what is it again you want me to do?

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You want me to sidespin my dinks?

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Okay, why do you want
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What does that do for me?

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And then, Okay, cool.

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All right, so it's going to put some side
action on the ball and potentially make it

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a little bit more difficult, tiny bit
more difficult for my opponent to react

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to the ball because of the sidespin on it.

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How much sidespin can I realistically put
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And then the next question I would ask is,
what do you think my percentage of

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errors will be when I started doing that?

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So let's say I currently dink at a...

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I'm just going to use round numbers.

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I dink at a 15 % error rate
with my current dinking.

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And so you think when I add side
spend, I'll go from 15 % to what?

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Because I guarantee you it's
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It'll probably be 15 to 20 or 25, and the
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And how often am I going to use that?
How long does it take me to learn it?

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So you start asking these questions,
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Then you conclude, No, I don't want to
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I don't want to do it.

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So basically, that's
the better way to do it.

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And same thing with these very dogmatic
statements like, Four hand in the middle.

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It sounds great.
Good sound bite.

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Sounds fantastic.
Four words, easy to remember.

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And it said with such confidence that
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Why?
Why Why is it four hand in the middle?

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Now, I will tell you this.

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Sometimes the answer is the four
hand in the middle is the best shot.

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But that's like saying,
a lob off my back hand is the best shot.

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Not always, but sometimes when I'm in
trouble I'll pull wide and I have a

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good lob, I'm going to hit that, right?

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But it's not like all of a sudden the rule
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it happens to be the right shot there.

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Or you could take any shot you see and
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and call it that, right?

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A rule should be a rule only when it can
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it at the beginning to make a decision as
to what to do, not retroactively to,

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Oh, the forehand was a good shot there.

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Let me...

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Then four hand in the
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That's retroactively.
We can get it in that 20, 20 hindsight.

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So whenever you're presented with these
things, even respect the X, right?

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I'm not telling you to hear
the three words, not four.

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Respect the X, and then Okay, that's what
I'm going to do because I heard

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it and the other players said it.

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No.

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You hear about it and you
say, Oh, respect the X.

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Sounds interesting.
Let me think about it.

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Let me look into it.
Let me study it.

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Let me learn about it.

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As you work on that, you'll improve your
understanding of a pickleball,

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of the framework of pickleball.

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You'll go deeper in the
sport of pickleball.

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And as you go deeper in the sport of
pickleball, your

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overall knowledge base will improve.

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As your overall knowledge base improves,
it basically feeds on itself, right?

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So when you hear about a cool rule like
respect the X or forehand in the middle,

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when it's proposed to you that you should
sidespin your dings or do something like

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that, when it's said to you that you
should drive your third and

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drop your fifth, always ask why.

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What's the reason for that?
Why do I want to do that?

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What's the advantage of doing
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And also consider the potential downsides
of adopting that into your game.

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And one last note on this that I'll leave
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you have to ask yourself, how important is
that thing, whatever it is, relative to

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anything else that you're
currently focused on?

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Because that's another
potential trap that we fall into, which is

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always changing the thing we're working
on, never actually improving in any of

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them because we keep on
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That's a podcast for another day.

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I believe we already did an episode on
that, but I'll hit it another day because

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it's such an important concept to just
sticking to

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whatever it is that is your highest
priority at the time and not just chasing

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the latest side spin thing that you hear
on TikTok or YouTube or wherever it is

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that you're getting this information from.

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Anyway, so that's this week's podcast.

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I hope you enjoyed the idea of
being mindful of your journey of

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asking questions about things
that sound too simple to be true.

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And the better you understand those, the
better you continue to grow, the easier

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it'll become to filter out
this information in the future.

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If you're interested in checking out our
online clinic,

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whether it's this month, next month,
whenever works for you, please join

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us for one of these online clinics.
I think you'll really enjoy it.

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We have sometimes between 40 and 100
players come into these, and

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they all have a good time.

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We let you all have some time to
work through some problems together.

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It's a really interesting experience and a
great way to learn the sport of pickleball

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and meet other players who, like you, are
keenly interested in their pickleball and

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improvement and in continuing to grow in
this wonderful sport that we all love.

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If you have a minute to rate and review
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And as always, please consider sharing
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you enjoy the podcast,
they probably will, too.

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If any of your friends tells
you, SideSpan your Dinks,

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send them a copy, send them a link to this
podcast so they can hear maybe

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why not to do that.

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I hope you have a great week, and I to
seeing you on the next

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episode of Pickleball Therapy.
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