WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:07.480 practical ways. 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:15.359 Hey, welcome, welcome, welcome, we are Christian, Jeff, step right 5 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.120 up right? Is that it is? What sounded like? 6 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:18.559 Yeah? 7 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:19.839 Yeah, step right up? 8 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:22.879 And I was thinking of Steve Martin in The Jerk 9 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.719 in nineteen seventy nine when he says step step right 10 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:28.399 up and win some garbage. 11 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:31.039 Yeah, we were just at the county Fair. Do you 12 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:32.560 ever go to the county Fair? Do you ever go 13 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.719 to the fair? Jumping the county Fair in oak County? 14 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.600 Go to the Oakland I did the city fair when 15 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:40.159 I first moved here, and that was rough. 16 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:42.799 I went to downtown Detroit and I was for the 17 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:45.600 state fair, State Fair. State They closed that down. They 18 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.640 don't do yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, I've never 19 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:49.200 been to the county. You don't go to the county fair. 20 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:51.600 I love County Fairst, but where is it really? Oakland 21 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.399 County Fair? It was last week? Oh yeah, you don't go. 22 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:57.920 My family loves fairs. Really if we known about elephant 23 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:01.399 ears and walking tacos and oh yeah yeah we we 24 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:03.320 I like it. You get your red neck on for 25 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.359 like twenty four hours. Stuff. We went and we went 26 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.400 to the figure eight races. Oh nice. But then when 27 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:10.840 we were done with the figure eight races, I took 28 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:14.079 my grandson with me and uh and uh my daughter 29 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.400 in law. They had a lot of fun and they 30 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:19.840 were smashing cars and making loud noise and it was funny. 31 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:21.599 So then when that was done, we go walking through 32 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:23.560 the midway and my grandson rides a bunch of rides 33 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:24.879 and then we walked past all the games and the 34 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:26.519 guy who's the barkers are out. 35 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.519 There and you step. Yeah, hey, I can't believe that. 36 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.680 I don't know that. You have no idea how much 37 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:33.719 our family loves that. 38 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:35.000 Yeah, oh we love it. 39 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:37.200 We're if we drive, if we're driving by and we 40 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:39.680 have the margin and we see any little fair in 41 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:41.239 any parking lot, we will stop. 42 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:43.000 Oh wow, Well then you need to go to the 43 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.480 county fair one because that's big time. Then you to 44 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:47.359 see all the cows and the goats and the Oh yeah, 45 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:49.640 we love that. Yeah you like that. Okay, Well where's it? Well, 46 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:51.599 next year we'll take you. Next year. You have to 47 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.079 get on the list. Maybe maybe we'll give you an invite. Wow. 48 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:57.719 Yeah, and it's just and it doesn't go year round. 49 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.000 It's just they said, just. 50 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.000 Yeah, that's how all the county fairs work is They 51 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.959 last one week. It's always run usually by four h 52 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.120 everybody's getting all the awards, and then finally they're moving 53 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.639 towards the regional and state fairs. You know. 54 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:09.000 No. 55 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.240 Oh yeah, it's big, it's it's it's a whole thing. 56 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:13.280 It's a thing, yeah, which is different than the little 57 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:17.960 carnivals in the parking lots, right right, yeah, definitely. Okay, 58 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:22.199 all right, well, hey that was a lot riveting, Like 59 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:23.800 are they really talking about county fairs? 60 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:25.919 I know, we need to get onto our segment. We 61 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.199 got to do it quickly. I suppose this is a 62 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:31.280 hot takes showdown. I'll give you a controversial statement and 63 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:32.840 you must either defend or debunk it. 64 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:34.360 No middle ground. 65 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:44.960 Okay, all right, I just read the first one. 66 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.560 Okay, here's the first hot take that you have to 67 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:51.319 debunk or embrace. 68 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:52.319 Okay, go ahead. 69 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:59.639 Musicals are the best form of media. Let me one 70 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:04.360 up it, zach Efron, Musicals, it's the best form of media. 71 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:08.120 Stop. Hey, listen, here's what I would say that's hysterical. 72 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.319 You made my day, maybe my whole week. Hey, here's 73 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:13.680 the thing. 74 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:18.120 This may surprise you, but I'm a very literal person, right, 75 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.639 very literal. So if you're going to say the word best, 76 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.680 I'm going to say, of course, it's not. In fact, 77 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:30.360 musicals are Actually I enjoy musicals a lot, but when 78 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.719 people just start breaking out in song for no reason 79 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:34.479 at all, you got to get past that, which means 80 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:36.759 it has to be a good musical. In order for 81 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.000 that to take place, it has to make sense, right, 82 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.280 you know. So, so I would say radically, no, musicals 83 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:45.400 are not even close to the best form of media. 84 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.840 So there's this idea with regard to drama and art 85 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.759 in general. Yes, and it's this, so for good art, 86 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:58.719 we have to have a mutually agreed upon suspended disbelief. 87 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.599 That's that's that's the right. So we're both agreeing to 88 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:06.039 suspend our disbelief so that we can engage in the idea. 89 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.759 So with that being said, let's just say we all 90 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:13.000 just had that built in then our musicals the best, 91 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.000 the best form of media. 92 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:16.680 It's because you use the word best. 93 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.079 Yeah, okay, for a guy who lives in hyperbole, you're 94 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:22.800 having a hard diamond embracing and best. But I'm very literal. 95 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.680 You're literal, except every time you're going to jump off 96 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:28.600 a bridge. Okay. 97 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.319 In order for me to agree with the statement, I 98 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:36.920 would have to say that musicals are better than any other. 99 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:40.079 Form of me. Okay, okay, okay, And I can't do that. 100 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:44.079 You can't do that. Yeah, all right, Well, because listen, 101 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.959 could you craft could you craft up an email from 102 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.519 Chris Sarba to zac Efron and tell him his chosen 103 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:55.560 pharm of media is the worst? Yeah, the worst? Okay? Yes, 104 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.759 So then how about this one. Water tastes different depending 105 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:03.680 on a cup or bottle radically one hundred percent. Yes, 106 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:06.399 it's true. Oh of course it is. Everybody knows this 107 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:10.959 is this everybody. Everybody knows. He couldn't embrace the word best. 108 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.199 He does embrace the word everybody. Is there a. 109 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.240 Single human everybody knows that would say no to this? 110 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:21.120 Well? Perhaps no? Oh, come on? 111 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:23.639 Even people in Africa could be like, could you not 112 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:24.439 use the tin? 113 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:27.639 Could you use the plastic jug? Really? Go when you go, 114 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.000 get walk out of the river because I want to 115 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:35.600 drink tin. Water tastes different depending on the bottle or cup. Yes, 116 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.240 of course, what do you mean think what's the best? 117 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.360 Then what does it tastes best? From? 118 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:42.879 Glass? 119 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:43.439 Glass? 120 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:48.600 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, glass so so so yeah. Water that 121 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.160 touches plastic, not always, but every once in a while 122 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:57.279 it'll taste you taste the plastic, right yeah, but definitely metal. 123 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.959 We all know this. The you know, the those water 124 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:05.759 bottles that you'll get, especially the cheap free ones, right 125 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:07.680 you know, they're like, oh, I put my logo on this. Here, 126 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:09.439 take this and you fill it up with water, and 127 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.160 all of a sudden, you drink it and it tastes metallic, 128 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.720 and you're like, man, that is crazy how it does that? 129 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.240 So yeah, I mean that's that's the metal I think 130 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:19.319 is the worst, don't you think? 131 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:23.240 Yes? Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm going to agree with 132 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.319 that one too. Water tastes different depending on this. 133 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:27.639 Everybody knows this, everybody. 134 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:33.160 So I was in Sicily and I had this I 135 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:37.639 like sparkling water. The guy poured this sparkling water and 136 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.519 I loved it, and then I commented on it and 137 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:44.680 he had already filled all of our cups with still 138 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.720 water and he said this is the same and he 139 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:49.439 says it's great. So I drank the stillwater is fent. 140 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:51.920 This is the best water I've ever had. And he said, oh, 141 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:54.000 this is from and he talks about this region in 142 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.279 Italy and it's it's the purest water in the world 143 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.360 that comes right out of the well this way, all 144 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.959 this stuff and it's all bottled and glass bottles. And 145 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:02.480 then when we were in Rome, we were at a 146 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.720 restaurant and they did the same They served the same water, 147 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.319 and I said, this water is amazing. And before I 148 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.560 get anything else, he goes in the same spiel, this 149 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.360 is the best water in the world. It's the pierced 150 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.160 wall in the world that only comes from this one place. Stuff. 151 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.680 So I loved it. Well, then there's an Italian grocery 152 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.800 store here in our community, and I don't know, several 153 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.160 months ago, we go walking by and they had that 154 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:27.319 water for sale. You've had it in my house. I've 155 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:32.680 had the ones say they're in big tall glass glass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 156 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:34.160 I'm forgetting the name of it, and I'm drawing a 157 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.959 blank of the name. But uh, it's it's a little 158 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.959 too expensive. But man, it's just fabulous water. And there's 159 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:43.759 a reason. So when I was on their website, it 160 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:46.879 explained that they bottled in glass bottles on purpose, so 161 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.240 that there's no alteration to the original flavor of the water. 162 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:49.839 Wow. 163 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:55.160 Yeah, So even these top water bottling companies say glass 164 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.279 doesn't affect the flavor, which means plastic and metal and 165 00:07:59.319 --> 00:07:59.800 all those other things. 166 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So when you bought the water locally 167 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:07.439 here in the States, it tastes the same. 168 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:10.160 It's exactly the same. They imported it, this Italian This 169 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:11.920 Italian grocery store imported it. 170 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:12.800 That's amazing. 171 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.639 Yeah, h from Italy. So hey, I don't know if 172 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.519 those were hot takes, but it is maybe surprising to 173 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.680 most of our listeners that you don't consider musical is 174 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:22.759 the best form of media. Well, it'd be, it'd be 175 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.160 absurd if I did. Would you consider it one of 176 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:26.720 the greatest forms of media? 177 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:35.000 I would say yes, second best, No, no, where is 178 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:36.120 it a third best? 179 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.000 Third best? And honestly, I think it depends on the 180 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.200 musical like like Greece, the best Greece is not let's 181 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:47.320 do this the best musical? Yeah, is one of the 182 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:52.080 best forms of media? Yes, okay, okay, the top three 183 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.799 maybe trying to get there. 184 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.720 Okay, Well, it's it's our because I'm thinking of because 185 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.840 media is a very broad word, right, and so I'm trying, 186 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.879 but I'm trying to view it through the lens of artistry. Right, 187 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.519 So media is such a broad I mean, come on, right, 188 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.480 media the word media. But but but if I, if I, 189 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.240 if I take a musical, the best of musicals, and 190 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.679 I and I view it through the lens of artistry, 191 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:23.399 I would say, for me, you can get so symbolic 192 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:24.360 and so like. 193 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:25.799 For instance, you ever see Chicago. 194 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:28.639 Do you remember when he's in the office and he's saying, 195 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.279 sell of Fae, you know, miss to sell of fame. 196 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:37.600 Unbe believable, unbelievable, how much that can convey, right, I 197 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.679 mean just all the emotion, all the symbolism, all all 198 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.039 that it represents. I mean, you could accomplish through that 199 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:46.879 type of musical, You could accomplish something that you just 200 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.279 can't accomplish anywhere else, and you do it in such. 201 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:53.519 A moving and artistic way. It's just unbelievable. Wow. Well, 202 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:55.600 when it comes to musicals, I think you can keep 203 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:57.960 going on for an hour. Yeah, but you know who 204 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:07.519 couldn't keep going for an hour? This life? That's terrible, 205 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:09.919 that's the worst. That is the worst. 206 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:13.759 That's the worst possible transition, which is one of our goals. 207 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:16.720 Yep. And the disciples, of course, couldn't pray for one hour. 208 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:20.159 That's what Jesus said. That's his famous saying, could you 209 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.279 not keep watch from you with one hour? 210 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.559 Okay with me one hour? That's funny. I made a 211 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:27.559 joke about something that was kind of sad here, that 212 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.120 was kind of I feel bad about it now what 213 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:34.440 There was nothing sacrilegious about that. No, it just this 214 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.279 is a sad moment, of course, is all sure? 215 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:38.279 Matthew twenty six. 216 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.519 Yeah, So in Matthew chapter twenty six, Jesus has already 217 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.960 shared the last Supper with them. Yep, this is my blood, 218 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:49.200 this is my body. Jesus has already predicted Peter's denial. 219 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.720 And then they're done with the with the supper and 220 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:57.159 they go out. They sing him, and they go out 221 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:59.440 and they go to the Did you mean to say, 222 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:04.080 Jesus is trail? No, he had predicted that, not betrayed denial, 223 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:08.399 Peter's denial. Oh oh, okay, because I thought, okay, he'd 224 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:09.840 already talked about jesus betrayal. 225 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:11.919 He was about to be betrayed. So I thought you 226 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:12.519 were referring to that. 227 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:14.679 Yeah, no, he had already told them about that, but 228 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:17.799 not in chapter twenty six. Okay, it's other places. But 229 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.879 he does talk about Peter's denial, and then right after 230 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.600 he tells him, before the rooster crows three times, you're 231 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:26.600 going to deny me. And then then they go out, 232 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:29.240 and it says then when Jesus went with them to 233 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.279 the olive grove called gessemone, and he said, sit here 234 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.799 while I go over there to pray. He took Peter 235 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.240 and Zebede's two sons, James and John, and he became 236 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:41.240 anguished and distressed, and he told them, my soul is 237 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:44.440 crushed with grief to the point of death. Stay here 238 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:46.919 and keep watch with me. He went a little farther 239 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:49.440 and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, my father, 240 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:51.600 if it's possible, at the cup of suffering, be taken 241 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.240 away from me, yet I want your will to be done, 242 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:57.440 not mine. And then he returned to the disciples and 243 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.320 found them asleep, and he said, Peter, couldn't you watch 244 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.080 with me even one hour? Keep watch and pray so 245 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.200 that you'll not be given into temptation, for the spirit 246 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:10.320 is willing. But the body is weak. Then Jesus left 247 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:11.919 them a second time and prayed, my Father, if this 248 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.600 cup cannot be taken away unless I drink it, your 249 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:17.120 will be done. And when he returned to them again, 250 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.720 he found them sleeping, for they couldn't keep their eyes open. 251 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.000 So he went to pray a third time, saying the 252 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.840 same things again. And then he came to the stiples 253 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.000 and said, go ahead and sleep, have your rest. But look, 254 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.039 the time has come. The son of Man is betrayed 255 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:32.960 in the hands of sinners. Up, let's be going. Look 256 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:39.200 my betrayer is here. Yeah. 257 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:44.840 Wow. So Jesus went to getsemone and he once again 258 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:50.000 takes Peter James and John right, And so Peter James 259 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.600 and John he wants him to. He wants those three 260 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.279 disciples to pray with him and the other ones fall asleep. 261 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:01.519 But for some reason, he only questions Peter, James and 262 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.200 John and he says, can't you stay and pray with 263 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:08.440 me one hour? And I've always thought, you know, because 264 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:10.720 I had this thing, and I've mentioned it so many 265 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:13.200 times before, but I had this thing about why I 266 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.840 think he responds only most of the time just to 267 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.720 Peter James and John. But anyway, but in this moment, 268 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:21.200 here's what I sort of believe. I believe that he 269 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.519 expects more from Peter, James and John than he does 270 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:27.279 the other disciples. That's why I think that he says 271 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.919 number one, come pray with me, and then number two, 272 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:31.720 I can't believe you guys couldn't stay awake with me 273 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:38.440 for one hour because he really wanted and expected more 274 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.799 from those who were closest to him. Yeah wow, yeah, 275 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:45.480 so that's the first thing that stands out. The second 276 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:48.159 thing that stands out is he goes to the garden 277 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.240 gainst semone and I can't even read this passage without 278 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.919 thinking of the trees in the garden to get Semene. 279 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:59.879 Yeah yeah, yeah, you went recently, so you probably are 280 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:05.120 you have a fresher explanation about how unique the trees. 281 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.799 Are in the garden. No, no, I'm asking you. 282 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.519 Okay, So the trees in the garden casemite, they are 283 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:17.360 thousands of years old, whereas like it's it's pretty crazy 284 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.039 to think that some trees and redwoods can be that 285 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:23.200 way too. Redwoods can actually last thousands of years old. 286 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.360 They last three four thousand years, which is pretty crazy. 287 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:29.639 And the trees in the garden. What they do is 288 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:32.879 they sort of grow and they and they sort. 289 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:36.879 Of they sort of life comes out of the old. 290 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.080 Then yeah, yeah, that I don't even know how to 291 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.159 say it, but it looks so strange. It's like you 292 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.879 see this outer shell of this ancient bark and then 293 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:51.039 and then breaking through, you see these new branches come through. 294 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:54.200 And so it looks so strange, but it isn't just 295 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.960 a typical tree that has like one big trunk and 296 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.879 a bunch of branches. It's like this one big trunk 297 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.200 and then from this trunk you have these new branches 298 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.600 that poke through, and there's a literal hole in the 299 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.519 bark and out comes this brand new branch. And it 300 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:13.639 just seems to constantly reproduce itself. And it's the strangest thing. 301 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:16.639 And so what they say is like, that's the reason 302 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.960 why this tree can survive so long. It constantly sort 303 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.279 of replenishes itself. And so when we were in the 304 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:29.480 garden Agasseemite, they said, these are the trees that we're 305 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.080 here because this tree right here that's twenty seven hundred 306 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.720 years old, That tree right there that's twenty two hundred 307 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:37.720 years old, that tree right there, and you're. 308 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.440 Like what, and it's just it's like what, So. 309 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:45.000 Jesus was praying amongst these exact trees in the garden 310 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.679 and that's that's what yah, that's what they say is true. 311 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.600 So they kind of have they vacillated a little bit 312 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.600 on that when when I really leaned in, oh, really, 313 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.200 they do know that they are every tree there, just about, 314 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.120 all those the big the you know, the big ones 315 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:04.279 like this because it's strange because they come up and 316 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.399 then they just pop open and they look like a 317 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:08.799 normal sized tree in the top. It's not like they're 318 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.720 these giants but around it's just like they keep growing out, 319 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.080 growing out. So they said, we're very confident that all 320 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.720 of these trees in here just about are over a 321 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:20.399 thousand years old. I said, well, a thousand isn't two thousand, right, 322 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:23.320 So which ones we're here when Jesus was here? They said, well, 323 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.639 we're we think a couple of these were probably here 324 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.639 in some form when Jesus was here, but we do 325 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.200 know that this is the exact grove where he was. 326 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.600 And so it seemed like because we came in and 327 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.159 they started giving that speech, and when I said, which 328 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:40.080 ones all of a sudden, they started backing off and 329 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.759 kind of going you know, so it felt like maybe 330 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:46.960 it was a little bit of goods maybe well, I 331 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.480 don't know. It just seemed like they stepped back from 332 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:51.879 the initial statement that these were the trees too, this 333 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.519 was the grove, and maybe some of these trees were 334 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:56.480 here then, but we do know that they can live 335 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.159 thousands of years, and so it's not ridiculous to say 336 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.399 some of these trees may have been here to witness 337 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.680 Jesus prayer. Well, and then and then there's that big rock, right, 338 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.079 there's the rock on the edge of that church. That's 339 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:10.160 that's there, that has been there all that time. Yeah, yeah, 340 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:12.319 in there, and that may have been the place, because 341 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.599 it does say he you know, uh, that's kind of 342 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.079 the description, is that he went and prayed off away 343 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:19.319 from them. But it is a beautiful garden and it 344 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.599 was one of those places. I really wished I'd lingered 345 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.079 longer there. I wish I'd had more time because we 346 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.759 were only there maybe thirty minutes or so. Yeah, Yeah, 347 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:29.720 that sounds about right for us love to have stayed 348 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.440 for Yeah, like I would have loved to sit there. 349 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.160 Couldn't you make it kind of a long could have 350 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:41.640 stayed for one hour. For one hour, thank you, Chris. Yeah, yeah, 351 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.799 the past thirty minutes. Yeah. Yeah. 352 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.480 So when I visited Newer Woods in California, there's a 353 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:52.440 redwood redwood forest, they said that the oldest tree in 354 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:57.559 that forest. I calculated it and it was around when 355 00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:59.960 when Neamiah rebuilt the wall. 356 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:01.920 Wow, isn't that amazing? Yeah? 357 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.640 It was like it was like, what so when Neama 358 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.000 was rebuilding the wall, this tree was right here. Yeah, 359 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:08.640 and it's like, are you kidding me? 360 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:10.759 That's incredible? So yeah, I mean, I mean, so. 361 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.240 Trees do last, you know, quite a long time, and 362 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:16.640 it depends, of course on the type of tree, right, 363 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.720 and and so those trees in the garden. Now, I'm 364 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:20.960 telling you, sure, as I'm sitting. 365 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.400 Here, let's ask chat GPT while you're doing this, let's ask. 366 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:25.759 Sure, as I'm sitting here, I know for a fact 367 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:29.400 that they that the Bible what do you call it, 368 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.359 like the tour guide the Bible tour guide that took 369 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:35.720 us did say that they were over two thousand years old, 370 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.039 So maybe maybe he was just taking us for a ride. 371 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:41.799 But either way, I think that there's the tourist version, 372 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:43.920 and then there's the science version. When you push the 373 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:46.640 tourist version narrative, then they back off a little bit. Yeah, 374 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:48.920 and it's it's likely some of these were there, Yeah. 375 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.200 Yeah, yeah, But either way, it's still pretty incredible, right 376 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.119 to know that, like, you're still there in the exact grove, 377 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:01.160 and you're also there with the exact scene. Right, the 378 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:05.400 same types of trees are there, and most likely they've 379 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.319 you know, they've sort of reproduced in the same spots 380 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:08.720 as well. 381 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.359 So I said, so, how many trees were in the 382 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.720 gardening becausemite today were there when Jesus was there? Said 383 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.319 short answer, possibly none, but maybe their roots go back 384 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.000 that far. And that's the issue with these, with that 385 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:25.880 kind of olive tree, is the same root systems keep 386 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.039 pushing up new trees. Yeah, yeah, right, that's that's the thing, 387 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:32.559 and it's it's so it's not dishonest to say thousands 388 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.640 of years but that current trunk you're seeing may not 389 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:38.480 have been the trunk Jesus saw, but that root system 390 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:43.240 produced trees when Jesus was here. Interesting, it's producing them now. 391 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:48.680 So scientific testing conducted in twenty twelve showed several trees 392 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.880 in the garden that were twelve hundred years old. But 393 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:55.799 olive trees are notoriously hard to kill, and the roots 394 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:59.759 can survive and sprout new growth over and over again. 395 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.559 So that that's it. While we can't be I'm sure 396 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.319 that each tree trunk we're seeing, we can be fairly 397 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.279 confident that Jesus walked up on the very soil and 398 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:08.839 the olive roots that still existed it. 399 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:13.279 So, so Jesus prays an hour uh, and and he's praying, 400 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.279 and he knows that he's about to go to the cross, right, 401 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:20.079