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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, good morning. This is Chris and

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff coming to you from the Bible Guys podcast Studio

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<v Speaker 1>World Headquarters. Actually it's a studio that should we does

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<v Speaker 1>anybody even know where it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Yeah, well do you want huge lines of fans

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<v Speaker 1>Stop? Where the where are the sunglasses? Put a coat

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<v Speaker 1>over my head? Maybe we shouldn't tell them where it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so a good friend of ours own's a studio

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<v Speaker 1>Who is a part of heritage. There's a great volunteer

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<v Speaker 1>and a good friend.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll leave it at that. Okay, all right, because you

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<v Speaker 1>know I don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>The pop rots so difficult? Yeah, all right, too soon?

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<v Speaker 2>Too soon?

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<v Speaker 1>It's from the what eighties? All right? Nineties? So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Desiree has created a segment on Friday to do Who's

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<v Speaker 1>most Likely? So we're going to read five questions and

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<v Speaker 1>then you and I get to vote, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it instinctively, and we're going to agree or disagree.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's most likely to do these things? You ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Your first one?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's most likely to pretend they don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>shovel snow so someone else has to do it? Pretty sure?

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<v Speaker 2>That's me? Yeah, that's yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>My arms don't work. My hands don't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't work. I wasn't going to pretend to know if

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<v Speaker 1>that was you or not. But I will go on

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<v Speaker 1>the record and say it's definitely not me doing during.

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<v Speaker 2>A snowstorm, do you go out multiple times to clear

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<v Speaker 2>the sidewalk?

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<v Speaker 1>It depends. If it's a heavy, wet snow, absolutely I

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<v Speaker 1>have to right otherwise it's gonna you're gonna be You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be in trouble if you don't, so so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll definitely do that if it's a If it's a

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<v Speaker 1>like a wet snow, because.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the I have a neighbor who's like so excited

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<v Speaker 2>every time snowfalls. He's out three or four times, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>shoveling and snow blow.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a if it's a really soft, fluffy snow,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely I will not do it. There's no way it's

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<v Speaker 1>not enjoyable. It's it's a dread okay, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it if it's heavy, because if you don't, the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom will melt, it'll become ice. And then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden you have to, you know, you shovel, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know why snowblow? Right, I guess it's no

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<v Speaker 1>big snowblow. But then then you're you know, you're on

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<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of ice. Yeah, and I hate when

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<v Speaker 1>it's not down to the cement.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, number two two turn yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's most likely to send a Christmas card to themselves

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<v Speaker 1>just to get that perfect photo?

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<v Speaker 2>What it's most likely to send a Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Card to themselves just to get the perfect photo? Why

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<v Speaker 1>are they mixing? Why is she mixing photo with a card?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>Is she meaning like a chrisp photo card? Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>refuse to entertain this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, pass pass. Yeah, we never do Christmas photos. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys do Christmas well, you do it like Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>pajama photos and.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure social media? Sure yeah yeah yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think what she's referring to is

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional like Christmas photo that's like like, that's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a it's either becomes a card or it

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<v Speaker 1>gets inserted in a Christmas letter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have friends who do Christmas letters?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I have a missionary friend that does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh and do you read them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, and they'll have a photo.

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<v Speaker 1>Has your family ever done a Christmas letter update?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>My wife did it for years, for like ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, here's what's been going on for the zarbas in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. But I was glad to day that

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<v Speaker 1>she stopped that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. Okay, so we're going to move on from

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<v Speaker 1>Ye.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's most likely to pretend they're a snowplow and drive

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<v Speaker 2>around making snow drifts for fun?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's both of us?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably yeah, but I'm gonna say me, okay, I think

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<v Speaker 2>probably you two.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, pretend there's a snowplow and drive around making snow

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<v Speaker 1>drifts for fun. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna see me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Number four, who's most likely to get tangled in Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>lights while trying to decorate the house?

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually done it, yeah, and almost fell off the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I got my feet tangled up in the

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<v Speaker 2>so I had I had a coil of them, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I have a right now. The house we're

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<v Speaker 2>in is a tri level, yes. And so I was

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<v Speaker 2>on the lower roof and I was putting on the

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<v Speaker 2>top roof and I stretched across like this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>went to turn and I was tangled in the coil

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<v Speaker 2>below me, and it just about went over the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know the last three years in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a company to decorate my house?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know that, did you?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Because you brag about it every.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, we all know who it is at work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well I got to tell you something and then

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to pay for it because you just

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<v Speaker 2>have to brag about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. Well I wasn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to say any of that. Here's what I was going

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<v Speaker 1>and and I almost slipped off. And I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>almost slip off. I had I slip like a foot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but in that foot, I thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My son is a he delivers he's a crane

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<v Speaker 2>operator and he delivers roofing and siding for a big company.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's on roofs all day, every day, delivering stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And he fell off a roof a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago and dislocated his shoulder. And uh, I'm like, ding dong,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a dangerous thing, you know. Yeah, And when I

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<v Speaker 2>call him ding dong, it's only with the fondest sure

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<v Speaker 2>love kindness, ding dong love. Yeah. Yeah, And he went

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<v Speaker 2>back to work next day. This guy is so tough.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, these guys that that do that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>outdoor work, they're so tough. And he's like, nah, I'm fine,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine. It's just a little bruise. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>except you're kind of walking crooked and your shoulders out

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<v Speaker 2>of a joint.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, crazy, I have to say, I am the

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<v Speaker 1>most thankful. Uh. The joy, the amount of joy that

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<v Speaker 1>comes knowing that I don't have to get on the

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<v Speaker 1>roof is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I know the answer to this next one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>who's most likely to go ice skating but end up

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<v Speaker 2>clinging to the wall the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Time that it would definitely be you, that's me. Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not an ice skater.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not an ice skater. I'm not a tap dancer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not right. You've got all those Wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>did you just I'm more of a football player.

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<v Speaker 1>You just put ice skating in the realm of a

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<v Speaker 1>feminine thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever watched the Olympics?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever? Have you ever watched hockey?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Sure, I don't know that that's what I was

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<v Speaker 2>envisioning in this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, are you kidding? Be Ice skating has now become

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<v Speaker 1>like it's not what it was when we were growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>Ice skating we were growing up was topiic. But guys

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<v Speaker 1>don't wear the topicks anymore. They wear the ice.

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<v Speaker 2>The hockey sequence, whether they wear the sequence and the

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<v Speaker 2>like the flowing arm stuff. Yeah, I get it, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I totally get it. Hey, I've seen hockey.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big hockey fan.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to get in trouble with anybody who goes

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<v Speaker 1>ice skating because they love the ice.

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<v Speaker 2>Hockey players don't go ice skating. They put on skates

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<v Speaker 2>for the sake of my son driving somebody into the

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<v Speaker 2>son used to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Ice skating all the time with his friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not saying anything about your officer.

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<v Speaker 1>He was and he was worrying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not speaking negatively about your offspring. And anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>was just saying, I can envision you personal. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>see the office skating and spinning around the office and

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<v Speaker 2>me hanging under the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael all I said, Michael Scott is a phenomenal hockey

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<v Speaker 1>skater and goes ice skating.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, excellent, all right, skating on the ice and ice

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<v Speaker 2>skating are two different things. I'm just the fay players

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<v Speaker 2>will defend that art.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm defending the sport of ice skating because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just fine, you made a feminine I did not. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not. I just said tap dancing and ice skating

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<v Speaker 2>are your thing. That's how I said. That's the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing I said. And you're trying to make it something

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say, and I I am not. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>with it, who's who's most likely to try to go

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<v Speaker 2>ice skating but end up cleaning the walk? And I

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<v Speaker 2>said that was me.

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<v Speaker 1>Proverbs just talking about me. Yeah, And you said in

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<v Speaker 1>the negative thing. I don't want to be a part of.

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<v Speaker 2>That feminine No, that is not what I said, football.

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<v Speaker 1>Player, I did not say that, Yes you did.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You literally did.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say I didn't want to be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of that sport. You literally I just said I can

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<v Speaker 2>see you ice skating. Okay, all right, we didn't move

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<v Speaker 2>on and tap dancing, and I'm twenty one. The king's

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<v Speaker 2>heart is like a stream of water directed by the Lord. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>he guides it wherever he pleased. People may be right

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<v Speaker 2>in their own eyes, but the Lord examines their heart. Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>It literally says it right there. Hey, the Lord knows

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<v Speaker 2>my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Jeff, I thought that your observation about hockey was

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<v Speaker 1>a little harsh. And we're about to enter into Proverbs

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<v Speaker 2>so go ahead. The king's heart is like a stream

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<v Speaker 2>of water, directed by the Lord. He guides it wherever

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<v Speaker 2>he pleases. He does the Lord. People may be right

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<v Speaker 2>in their own eyes, but the Lord examines their heart.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Lord knows. Yes, the Lord knows that you

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<v Speaker 2>were telling lies. The Lord is more pleased when we

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<v Speaker 2>do what is right and just than when we offer

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<v Speaker 2>him sacrifices. Haughty eyes, a proud heart, and evil actions

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<v Speaker 2>are all sin. Good planning and hard work lead to prosperity,

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<v Speaker 2>but hasty shortcuts lead to poverty. Wealth created by a

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<v Speaker 2>The violence of the wicked and sweeps them away because

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<v Speaker 2>they refuse to do what is just. The guilty walk

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<v Speaker 2>of crooked path the innocent travelers straight road. It's better

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<v Speaker 2>with a quarrelsome wife in a lovely home. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Evil people desire evil. Their neighbors get no mercy from them.

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<v Speaker 2>If you punish a mocker, the simple minded become wise.

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<v Speaker 2>We already read a verse very similar to that, Remember

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<v Speaker 2>we did. The righteous one knows what is going on

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<v Speaker 2>in the homes of the wicked, and he will bring

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<v Speaker 2>disaster on them. Those who shut their ears to the

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<v Speaker 2>cries of the poor will be ignored in their own

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<v Speaker 2>time of need. Wow, a secret gift, calms anger. A

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<v Speaker 2>bribe under the table pacifies fury. Justice is a joy

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<v Speaker 2>to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers. The person who

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<v Speaker 2>of the dead. Those who love pleasure become poor, those

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<v Speaker 2>who love wine and luxury will never be rich. The

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<v Speaker 2>wicked are punished in place of the godly, and traders

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<v Speaker 2>in place of the honest. It's better to live alone

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<v Speaker 2>in the desert than with a coarrelsome complaining wife. Once again,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that even mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. The wis have wealth and luxury,

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<v Speaker 2>but fools spend whatever they get. Whoever pursues righteousness and

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<v Speaker 2>unfailing love will find life, righteousness, and honor. The wise

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<v Speaker 2>conquer the city of the strong and level the fortress

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<v Speaker 2>in which they trust. Watch your tongue and keep your

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<v Speaker 2>mouth shut, and you will stay out of trouble. I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of wish that's how I'd started this segment today.

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<v Speaker 2>I washed my mouth and kept my mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, as opposed to making fun of all the hockey

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<v Speaker 1>players of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do that, you did. I didn't mockers are

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<v Speaker 2>proud and haughty, and they act boundless with boundless arrogance

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<v Speaker 2>despite their desires. The lazy will come to ruin for

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<v Speaker 2>their hands refuse to work. Some people are always greedy

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<v Speaker 2>for more, but the godly love to give of an

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<v Speaker 2>evil person is detestable, especially when it's offered with wrong motives.

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<v Speaker 2>A false witness will be cut off, but a credible

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<v Speaker 2>witness will be allowed to speak. The wicked bluff their

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<v Speaker 2>way through, but the virtuous think before they act. No

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<v Speaker 2>human wisdom or understanding or plan can stand against the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>The horse is prepared for the day of battle, but

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<v Speaker 2>the victory belongs to the Lord. I love that. There

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<v Speaker 2>you go.

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<v Speaker 1>The horse is prepared for the day of battle, but

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<v Speaker 1>the victory belongs to the Lord. Yep, that's great. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I'm struggling so much today with my throat,

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<v Speaker 1>but I certainly am.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff in here, And

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<v Speaker 1>you know again, Solomon talks a lot about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wickedness and foolishness and everything else, but there's some things

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<v Speaker 1>that jump off the page. I like verse over twelve

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<v Speaker 1>because it says the righteous one and it's capital R

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<v Speaker 1>and capital. Oh yeah, the righteous one knows what is

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the homes of the wicked. He would

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<v Speaker 1>bring disaster on them. You know, isn't it Isn't it great?

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<v Speaker 1>How if you know the Bible, you always make a

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<v Speaker 1>comment and say the Bible is its own best commentary.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are other verses that pop into your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>right the Canglatians where it says, don't be deceived. God

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<v Speaker 1>is not mocked. What server mansus, He's going to reap.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that God sees all things. What you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, you know, what goes around comes around. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You roll a stone, it's going to roll back on you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you dig a pit, you're going to fall in it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just this, you know, there's all these verses that

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<v Speaker 1>seem to come together with some of the same principles,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just great to be reminded that God sees

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<v Speaker 1>all things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, so with that soap strategy that we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about, you know, so scripture we already did that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the next one is observation. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>those one of the things we're looking for is what's

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<v Speaker 2>to say about God? What does it say about people?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? You know what jumped off the page,

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<v Speaker 2>And so we've already acknowledged that the proverb are really

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<v Speaker 2>all about every day living. So what it says about

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<v Speaker 2>people every verse is that. But there's several and you've

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<v Speaker 2>already referenced one there that you know, the Lord, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the righteous one right knows what's going on in the

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<v Speaker 2>homes of the wicked. He's so really that's saying God's

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<v Speaker 2>paying attention to everybody and everything. The first three verses

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<v Speaker 2>here all mentioned the Lord, which is interesting because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we we've mentioned before that many of the proverbs he's

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<v Speaker 2>not mentioning God, he's just talking about every day living.

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<v Speaker 2>But here the first verse says, the king's heart is

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<v Speaker 2>like a stream of water directed by the Lord. God

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<v Speaker 2>guides it wherever he pleases, right, right, so God can

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<v Speaker 2>redirect there's a flow to the king, but God's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that's directing that flow. The next one, people may

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<v Speaker 2>be right in their own eyes, but the Lord examines

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<v Speaker 2>their heart. He's looking at the heart. Right, It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these phrases are talking about how God pays

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<v Speaker 2>attention to the heart. Then the last one, verse three

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord is more pleased when we do what is

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<v Speaker 2>right and just than when we offer him sacrifices. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>God's looking for right behavior and right hearts more than

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<v Speaker 2>religious ritual right.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know again I'm talking about cross referencing.

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<v Speaker 1>That reminds me what verses that remind you of? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there any verse that sticks out where he says the

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<v Speaker 1>Lord is more pleased, Uh, when we do what is

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<v Speaker 1>justin right.

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<v Speaker 2>Where we offer you. It reminds me when Samuel confronted

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<v Speaker 2>Saul right and said obedience is better than sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's one of them. There's another one, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is when David commits sin in front of Betesheba or

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<v Speaker 1>not in front of heart with yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says he says, uh, what is he saying?

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<v Speaker 2>He says, uh, you'd rather have a broken contrite heart than.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these things and spies, right yeah. So so so

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<v Speaker 1>God doesn't want my sacrifices as much as God wants

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<v Speaker 1>my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what That's basically what it means.

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<v Speaker 2>So when when you're asking these questions, what is this

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<v Speaker 2>passage to say about God? That's the first question you're

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<v Speaker 2>asking in the observation side, there's tons of practical advice.

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<v Speaker 2>But what you see here is these three versus and

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<v Speaker 2>then the other one all reference the fact that God's

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<v Speaker 2>paying attention to how we live, what we do right,

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<v Speaker 2>obedience and heart. Those are the two things that we

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<v Speaker 2>learn about God. Everything else is what we learn about humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, hey, bribes, he's not advising bribes. He's just

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<v Speaker 2>saying that bribes oftentimes and get you out of trouble, right,

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. So that's that's not a moral statement

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<v Speaker 2>saying do it or don't do it. It's just saying

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<v Speaker 2>this is a truth, right, as opposed to when you

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<v Speaker 2>get into what does it say about God? That's a

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<v Speaker 2>big you know, It's why we always ask that one first.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever you read a passage, does it say about God?

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<v Speaker 2>Deal with that? Then move on. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Verse four has that word you think is harsh haughty eyes?

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<v Speaker 2>Haughty eyes?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember I said it was harsh. Yep, there is haughty eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>a proud heart and evil actions or else sin.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, you ever see, just like a really

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<v Speaker 2>prideful person, you don't even have to say anything or

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<v Speaker 2>hear them say any words, right, just the way they

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<v Speaker 2>look and act is So that's that's what the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>was saying. There, God doesn't even so the prideful heart

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<v Speaker 2>thing is is you know, that's a secret thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>then the person who overtly is flamboyant about their pride

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<v Speaker 2>and self centeredness and their narcissism. So that's a different

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<v Speaker 2>thing than the internal. That's the external, right, And God says,

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<v Speaker 2>what's on the outside and the inside when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to prideful people, it's kind of gross. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love how he says, if you instruct the wise,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be all the wiser. But but before that, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>if you punish the mocker, the simple mind had become wise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there's there's uh.

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<v Speaker 2>That has come up a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean you already sort of reference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, when when you.

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<v Speaker 1>Punish somebody publicly, then then the rest of the people

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time you don't do that, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's this, it's it's when you're aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the simple mind that they're watching right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>then that's when you, yeah, do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great. Those who love pleasure, become poor. Those

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<v Speaker 1>who love wine and luxury will never be rich. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the one I was thinking of.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was going to comment on that one, that

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<v Speaker 1>The foolish spend everything. Oh, it's two verses later. The

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<v Speaker 1>wise have wealth and luxury, but fools spend whatever they get.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting how you would think that one equals

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<v Speaker 1>the other. If full spend whatever they get, you would think, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well fool spends, meaning that they would then have luxury. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not what he's saying. He's talking about good

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<v Speaker 1>healthy planning. He's talking about you know, investments, he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>being a lender.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, all those things. It's expensive to be poor, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have to borrow and borrow and borrow, you

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<v Speaker 2>few years later. It's not a sudden right, but a

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<v Speaker 2>not making somebody else rich, you're saving up your own money.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you're just paying whatever the standard going price is,

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<v Speaker 2>not interest on things. And then that extra you know,

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<v Speaker 2>five percent, builds up over time and then you're saving

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<v Speaker 2>which then means you're gaining interest instead of paying interest.

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<v Speaker 2>And so gross I had one of the wisest men

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever known in business, and I mentioned him before.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a pipefitter. His dad was a circuit riding

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<v Speaker 2>preacher in East Texas back in the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he was an old man and very wealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was a pipefitter. And it turned out he

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<v Speaker 2>and his wife had made a commitment to God that

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<v Speaker 2>they would never go in debt for personal reasons, only

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<v Speaker 2>to make money. So they would go in debt to

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<v Speaker 2>buy a business, but they wouldn't go into debt to

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<v Speaker 2>buy furniture, right, And so when they got married, literally

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<v Speaker 2>he showed me a picture one day he keeps it,

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<v Speaker 2>used to keep it in his office at one of

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<v Speaker 2>their insurance companies they owned, and it was a picture

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<v Speaker 2>of them at their first it was either Thanksgiving or Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>And they had made all of their furniture from Orange crates.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And now at this point they owned a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of insurance places, he owned a couple of use storage

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<v Speaker 2>store at places. He owned a small engine repair and

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<v Speaker 2>equipment rental company, and he kept his job as a pipefitter.

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<v Speaker 2>And he'd never managed any personal debt, only had debts

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to buy companies. And the dude was

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<v Speaker 2>printing money. And that's what I read there, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>so they had extreme luxury. And he's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most generous people I've ever known. And it's because they

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<v Speaker 2>lived a simple life. They weren't quick to get rich,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't trying to always show off their wealth. They

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<v Speaker 2>were willing to move slowly on it, and they made

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<v Speaker 2>wise decisions. And he told me that his dad taught

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<v Speaker 2>he when he was a kid, give God ten, save

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<v Speaker 2>twenty live on seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, so instead ten ten eighty, it's ten twenty eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, And he was rich or ten, twenty seventy

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<v Speaker 2>or excuse me, yeah, ten, he said, So it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>when you're young, import it's hard to live on seventy percent.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, it's really easy to be rich, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>And he said that's how I got there. By my

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<v Speaker 2>mid thirties, I was way ahead of all my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have just unpacked what Dave Ramsey means when

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<v Speaker 1>he says that one catchphrase that he always says, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>live like no one else, so that one day you

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<v Speaker 1>can live like no.

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<v Speaker 2>One else, right right, That's exactly what they did. Bob

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<v Speaker 2>Hinton was his name. He's in heaven now, but one

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<v Speaker 2>of the godliest men I've ever known, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most generous people I've ever known, one of the smartest

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<v Speaker 2>people I've ever known, never went to college, died a

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy man, godly man, person of integrity, and he passed

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<v Speaker 2>it on to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Though I was going to say he lived, he gave

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<v Speaker 1>an inheritance to his children's children.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, know that. And that's what I read there,

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<v Speaker 2>right that that, well, the wise have wealth and luxury,

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<v Speaker 2>but fools spend whatever they get.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Is At the time I was spending about one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and one percent of what I was making right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he sent me down. He Sai, Jeff, you're always

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<v Speaker 2>going to chase your tail. It's hard being poor, it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard not being poor. You know, money is hard. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you're paying interest, you're making somebody else rich. When

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<v Speaker 2>you start paying yourself interest, you're making yourself rich. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so take the time, pay the price now so that

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<v Speaker 2>you're you don't live a poor life.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, one more thing we can we can unpack this

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. How much wisdom is wrapped up in

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<v Speaker 1>verse number thirty one a lot. It says the horse

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<v Speaker 1>is prepared for the day of battle, but the victory

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<v Speaker 1>belongs to the lord, So the horse is prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>the day of battle. Do you read that as God

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<v Speaker 1>is saying, do what you can do? Do one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ten percent. Yes, prepare, apply your wisdom, apply your experience.

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<v Speaker 1>You know God has given you all sorts of things,

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<v Speaker 1>so don't be lazy. Do everything that you can do

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<v Speaker 1>in your own effort to prepare wisely, and then understand

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<v Speaker 1>that if you're successful, if if if things happen, they

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<v Speaker 1>go your way. It is God that works.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent you know. So let's take it back

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<v Speaker 2>to the money thing. You should work hard. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>this hard work produced as wealth, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And he talks about against laziness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so you should work hard. You should develop

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<v Speaker 2>your skills. You should plow it like we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the other day. Plow the field now and get ready,

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<v Speaker 2>develop the skills that you're going to need for the future.

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<v Speaker 2>All those kinds of things. You should invest well, you

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<v Speaker 2>should avoid debt, you should do all these things. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you have that house, and when you have that

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<v Speaker 2>comfort and the luxury and all the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>were building towards, God gave you all of those opportunities God, right,

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to, Oh God, just please make me rich

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<v Speaker 2>and make my life more comfortable. God's like, what have

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<v Speaker 2>you been doing? Right? So, instead, what I believe God

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<v Speaker 2>does when when when we're praying those kind of prayers

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<v Speaker 2>of help us get ahead, God opens up opportunities. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give an opportunity for a side hustle.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you an opportunity for another stream

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<v Speaker 2>of income. I'm going to give you an opportunity maybe

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<v Speaker 2>to manage your wealth in a way that you're able

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<v Speaker 2>to eliminate debt and then start being able to prepare

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<v Speaker 2>for the future. And I'm going to give you opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>to invest so that you have, you know, when you're younger,

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<v Speaker 2>so that you're ready when you're older. I gave you

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<v Speaker 2>all these opportunities. And then when you finally have that success,

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<v Speaker 2>you prepared the horse for battle. But then you sit

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<v Speaker 2>back and look at the victory and go, Man, if

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<v Speaker 2>God hadn't opened up all these doors, if God hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>shown me this path, I could have never won this

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<v Speaker 2>battle right now. And so you do what you can do,

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<v Speaker 2>and God does what he can do, right right, God

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<v Speaker 2>does what only he can do at that point, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And and I just had lunch with a guy yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>who was very successful, is very successful, has this business,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, he's got a ton of money, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and he says, this company, you know, he named

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<v Speaker 1>his company. He said, that is not me. That is God,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, he said, that is God.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a godly man, recognizing, yes, I did the best

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<v Speaker 2>I could, right, but God did far more than I

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<v Speaker 2>could have dreamed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And so the victory belongs to the Lord.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's something to be said.

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<v Speaker 2>For verse five in connection with that last with verse

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one. Verse five says good planning and hard work

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<v Speaker 2>lead to prosperity. And then you can read on the

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<v Speaker 2>horses prepared for the day of battle, right right, but

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<v Speaker 2>the victory belongs to the Lord. Yeah, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>a god a man and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's and he again he talks against laziness too. He

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<v Speaker 1>took with plowing the fields. But also in verse twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>despite their evil desires, the lazy will come to ruin

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<v Speaker 1>for their hands refused to work. So yeah, there's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the diligence, the do what you can do,

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<v Speaker 1>the uh, you know, don't be lazy and work hard

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<v Speaker 1>and do it the right way and then understand that

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<v Speaker 1>then God will bless you.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's great. Man. I love I love the

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<v Speaker 2>wisdom of Solomon. It's everyday practical wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hopefully you've enjoyed this whole week, if you've been

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<v Speaker 1>following along every day. I think we have still more

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<v Speaker 1>to cover in Proverbs because there's so much there. So

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we will see you next time on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, h